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Speaker 1: Hi everybody, and welcome to the Kylie Cast. I'm Kylie Griswold,

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Managing editor at The Federalist. Please like and subscribe wherever

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the Federalist dot com. I would love to hear from

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you this week. I am so excited to be joined

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by my dear friend, Susanna Haik. Susanna is a Christian,

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a wife, a boy mom. She's a political activist and

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an entrepreneur, and she has such an incredible and powerful

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story to tell. In fact, she has such an incredible

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story to tell that it's going to take two parts

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to tell it, so be sure to tune in next

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week for part two of the interview with Susanna Haik,

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where we will talk about holistic health and her cancer journey,

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and entrepreneurship and her favorite conspiracy theory and plenty of

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other things. But this week we talk about what it's

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like for her to be a boy mom. She tells

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the story of her faith and how she was raised

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and how she eventually deconstructed from her faith and then

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came back to faith, and she also tells about two

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medical miracles in her family. You will not want to

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miss it all of that and more on the Kylie Cast. Susannah,

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let's start from the very beginning. First of all, thanks

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so much for joining me. It's awesome to have you here. Yes,

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but Susanna and I talk all the time, so this

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is basically just having a normal conversation in front of

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whoever wants to listen. So let's just rewind to like

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early on in your story. I want to hear basically

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your whole testimony throughout the course of the Kylie Cast,

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but let's just start with, like how you were raised

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where you come from, kind of what your upbringing was like.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I grew up in the Chicago suburbs. I

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have five brothers and sisters. I would say I grew

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up in a very strict, somewhat legalistic home. From a

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religious standpoint, I felt.

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Speaker 1: Loved, had lots of fun.

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Speaker 2: We had ten acres, and we spent a lot of

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time outside, and I was very close.

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Speaker 1: To my siblings.

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the middle, so I had a little bit of every

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Speaker 1: In the evenings.

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Speaker 2: We were very involved in our church. And you know,

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when I was young, I didn't have an issue with

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it because it was just what we did as a family.

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more of a struggle. And I think looking back, my

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parents did the absolute best that they could, and I

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really believe that their intentions were good. But there was

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really no discussions ever.

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Speaker 1: It was like this is what you do.

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Speaker 2: You know, do what you're told, and don't ask questions

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Speaker 2: Have a personality like mine, a little bit more edgy

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or you know, liking to push the limits, you just

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find ways to get around doing all the things that

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they're telling you not to do.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, growing up with like a lot of.

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and not really think about it until you can't push

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it aside anymore, right.

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Speaker 1: Right, So you talk about the legalism and that strict environment,

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like what specific dominational leaning was all of it?

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say from the looks of it, you might have called

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it Lutheran, you know, hymns.

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kind of my role that I filled. Never really was

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asked if that was something I wanted to do, and

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Speaker 1: Ah got it, Yes, Okay, So was your environment? Did

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big part of it? But it was just overshadowed by

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really explicit? It was more just kind of a rules

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based environment where the real gospel wasn't even really a

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part of it. I have asked my mom this question.

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Speaker 2: I've talked to some of my siblings, but I honestly

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Speaker 1: The word Jesus very often.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it was very old Testament teaching and

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fire and brimstone and you know, do this and you're

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Speaker 2: That's supposed to be very inviting to a young person

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when all of your friends are doing whatever they want,

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Speaker 1: Sure, and maybe some at home, but like not in

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the church that you could, right, okay, right, And I

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Speaker 1: But we we had land, we had animals.

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Speaker 1: There wasn't a lot of time to just you know,

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sit around and be lazy, right, right, right, So do

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I'm not into this or was it a gradual just

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kind of rebellious streak that ended in sort of a

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not very Christian way of bs.

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was kind of so. I had an older sister who

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was not a good influence.

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but I was dressed. My dirt under my fingernails was

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looked up to her. I loved her and she was

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so fun, and I think my dad was working all

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the time, my mom was running the house and just

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do all these things.

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Speaker 3: And I was very convincing.

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Speaker 2: I was very good at manipulating my parents to think

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I would never do those things.

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Speaker 1: Sure, and get really good in those environments, at talking

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to talk, oh my, walking the walk when people are

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's really like leading a double life. Yeah,

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and it it isn't good. It isn't good.

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Speaker 1: And I think fast forward to when we started to

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have kids.

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Speaker 2: I swore I would never ever do that to my kids.

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it became like the opposite. So for me, I just

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I turned eighteen and could not go I mean I

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would have gone to a school, you know, eight hours away,

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but I went to Cincinnati, so it was far enough

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away where they wouldn't just you know, pop in. And honestly,

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I really I didn't even come home for Thanksgiving a

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couple of years. I made excuses up why and that

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to me, it just is so sagas my kids that

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to me, I would be crushed. But yeah, so that

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was kind of the nail and the coffin per se

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of like leaving. But then I graduated from college, wasn't

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ready to move back home yet. I started my master's,

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stayed in Ohio, and then I finally, you know, was

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pretty much cut off, like I needed to get a job.

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Speaker 1: So I move home. I think I'm twenty three at

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this point, twenty.

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Speaker 2: Three, and I meet my husband and he's amazing, He's

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you know, instantly we pretty much knew this was he

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was the one, and I was his you know, and

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he wasn't. He was raised Catholic, was had gone since

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he was eighteen. So I'm like, oh, this is perfect.

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this is going to be great. And my parents, i

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think our second date, they were like, when are you

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Speaker 3: And I thought, I need, I need to get out

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Speaker 2: And so I told him, listen, I'm going to move

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Speaker 3: To be really upset. And he's like, you're twenty three.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you just.

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Speaker 2: You don't understand. I'm just warning you. And so I

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like literally packed up my stuff. My friend came with

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her white van with no windows. We threw my mattress.

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and my parents were basically calling me telling me to

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get home, and I just felt so free. And that's

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so sad, but I did. I felt so free, and

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they didn't talk to me for a couple of years.

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They weren't invited to my wedding.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, yeah, wow, that's pretty like dramatic and drastic.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were not happy with my decision and I

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didn't care. I didn't care at the time. Of course,

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we've made amends and everything turned out okay, but it

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Speaker 1: So yeah, stories are long, Thank goodness, because yeah, we'll

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get back to the retention art on that for sure.

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I actually remember when I first met you, because we

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met through a mutual friend. I was at coffee with

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said friend and she was like, oh, can I bring

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my friend Susannah, And I was like, of course, I

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knew of you through the like County political activism scene

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a little bit, and when we first met, I just

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we clicked instantly. But the part of your story, I

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think at that point you weren't really fully like going

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back to church yet, which is so interesting to me

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now because so much of our friendship now is so

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centered on the Gospel, and it's so funny that that's

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not really how I met you. And where was I

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going with this?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I clicked with you right away, And part of it

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was when I was asking you about your story and

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you were sharing this whole legalism background. I'm like, oh,

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my word, I totally get that. And I didn't experience

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it as much at home, but it was the small town.

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Baptist church where we went there, and my grandparents went

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there and my great grandparents went there, and you just

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kind of do it. And you know, again, my parents

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reinforce way better messaging than the legalism at home. But

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it's so stifling and it's so exhausting, and just even

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if you understand the gospel, your motivation is far more

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about performance and not getting in trouble than it is

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about an actual heart motivation that's based on love of

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the Lord and you know, all the actual good stuff.

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So Anyway, when I heard your story, I was like, oh,

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we're going to be friends. I know it. And it's

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just so funny that all the redemption arts. So okay.

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So you meet your husband, you marry him, you leave

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your parents, you're like, I'm done with all of this.

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Let's talk through like early years of marriage, how that

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was without having faith to lean on, Like, marriage is hard,

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and especially when you're adapting to those first the first

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year or two or I mean maybe a lot longer

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than that too, and also just your decision to have

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kids to not raise them the way that you were, like,

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walk me through a lot of that.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, we just celebrated our thirtieth went anniversary.

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Speaker 1: Yes, congratulations, we made it. You made it through those

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Speaker 2: You know I would I would say our first couple

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of years were blissful. We I think for me, I

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felt so free to be who I mean. You know,

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I wasn't this horrible person like I was. I had

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strong values and moral well you know, after I realized

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like you need to grow up, but you know, you

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realize that this isn't the lifestyle that you want to live.

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You want to I wanted to be a mom since

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I was five years old and so and I was

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a teacher, so I had a lot of these nurturing

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motherly characteristics, and so, you know, his family was amazing,

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and so I instantly was like, oh, I just replaced

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my family kind of cold.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so had they They had kind of walked away

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from the rigid Catholic.

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more of a formality for him. I mean they still

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his mom was very devout, but yeah, they were just

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this very accepting, loving family, and I fit right in.

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the same things big sports fans. So I think early

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on it was it was great. I'm pretty easy to

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get along with. I'm like low drama, just go with

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the flow, always up for having fun. And I can

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attest all of this.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's all true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably was really should be a guy. That's

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what my friends I said, You're kind of like a guy.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's a good thing.

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Speaker 2: So when Chris and I, he was working, he had

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a couple of jobs in like the engineering field, not

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as an engineer, but he really wanted to be an entrepreneur,

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and I was like, go for it, like I have

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no desire. My dad was one and I just wanted

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to be a teacher. I wanted to be a teacher.

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I wanted to change the world. I wanted to be

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a teacher in a mom and so I was pursuing

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that and Chris was starting this whole.

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Speaker 1: You know, crazy like and getting into real estate. And

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then we.

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Speaker 2: Had our first son, and Tyler liked changed everything. Obviously.

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I instantly was like, I don't want to go to work.

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I don't want to take care of other people's kids.

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I want to take care of mine. But I still

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kept teaching, but I was able to go a part

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time and we just started everything changed. Our focus changed

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to raising this family. We weren't going to church. I

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think we tried, we shopped around, we called it, but literally,

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when I tell you, sitting in a pew, I had

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like a visceral reaction.

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Speaker 1: It was not good, it was not healthy, and that

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was all me. I was trying to control the situation.

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I was not open deep down.

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Speaker 2: I just didn't want to go to church, and so

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I could only see the things that bothered me.

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Speaker 2: And he didn't really care so it was or made

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in heaven, right, we just you know, didn't have to

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worry about that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And do you think I mean, we can come back

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to this and talk more more broadly about like deconstruction

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and kind of what that looks like. But do you

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think it was because you didn't believe it anymore or

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just because you didn't like it?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Sadly, I did believe it, okay, which is a good thing.

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Speaker 1: I just didn't like it.

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Speaker 2: And I think like being asked of you, yes, I

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mean thank God for mercy and grace, because.

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Speaker 1: I mean, seeing those words.

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So yeah, I just didn't I didn't want to do it.

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a box. I didn't want to be told what to

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do and how to behave because I was a good

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person and you know, we really we had three healthy kids.

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I still believed. If you said, are you a Christian?

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And I mean I would pray, but not consistently. Yeah,

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it just it was very kind of watered down when

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I needed it, then I knew it was there, and

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then you know, things start to become a little more challenging.

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we need to talk about it now. Chris is like

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any two days, I didn't like that. So then there's

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you know, behaviors like well then I'm just going to

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make the decision for us because you're not making it

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fast enough, or the silent treatment.

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Speaker 1: Or but overall, it was still we were fine.

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Speaker 3: You know, we were fine, and you're.

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Speaker 2: So busy when you've got little kids. You just the

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next day starts over and you're like, all right, we're

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all right, We're all right. So yeah, that was kind

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of how we started. Chris became a full time entrepreneur,

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and you know, as a spouse of an entrepreneur, I

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have friends that have said, I don't know how you

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have done it, and I'm like, well, I don't know

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anything different. I mean for our entire thirty years and

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for the last twenty five I've been an entrepreneur as well.

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So there's no regular paychecks, there's no you know, insurance,

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like we have to figure that all out ourselves. So

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I wouldn't change any of that, but that just brought

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on some new challenges. But we still thought we could

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just power through and figure.

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Speaker 3: It all out on our own.

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Speaker 2: And I look back at some of those times when

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finances were tough, and when the real estate market crashed

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in two thousand and eight, which was a nightmare disaster,

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I think it was God he was really.

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Speaker 3: Kind of pursuing us all those years.

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Speaker 2: And right he would probably be saying this is going

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this is going to do it for them, and we

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would get through it and move on to the next thing,

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and he was like, okay. So several things happened in

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the third last thirty years where you know, it just

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we were like.

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Speaker 1: Thick headed, yeah, yeah, so we can We're going to

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get to some of those things. What was the final

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breaking point, Like when did you feel that softening of okay,

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I actually do need this and the you know, the

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walls coming down and the feeling of, you know, not

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that visceral reaction when you walk into church and actually

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being pulled and drawn back to the Lord. I would

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I mean, I think.

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Speaker 2: There were little things along the way, but without doubt

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it was during COVID and a lot of things changed

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in my mind. I was just so angry and I

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was looking for a fight, just to prove people wrong.

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And my way is the right way, which I do think,

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you know, that's on the right side of a lot

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of the things. But I just was I did not

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know what to do with myself. I was like, how

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can people not see what is happening? And then I

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felt like it was my mission to make people under stand,

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and so that was really starting to just kind of

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eat up, eat me, at me, And.

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Speaker 1: Then you're talking about COVID policies of all of that. Yeah, yeah,

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that's actually how we met basically, because we were both

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at like a mask hearing for the county and that's

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how we became friends on Facebook and that eventually met

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in real life. Oh that's so funny. We can hang out. Yeah, yeah,

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which is crazy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, some of my very closest friends now I

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met through that whole mess.

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Speaker 1: What a wild time, wild yep wild.

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Speaker 2: So during COVID we had some health stuff happen, and

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I don't know if you want to get into that yet,

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but I feel like this these opportunities happened. My friend

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that you referenced before we were at a coffee shop,

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trying to find a place to work that we didn't

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have to wear masks, and we were just having our

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coffee and this adorable young gentleman sat at the table

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next to us, and he was with his sister and

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a little baby, and we struck up a conversation with him,

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and within two minutes he said we had a Bible

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with him, and we commented and he.

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Speaker 3: Said, do you go to church? And we were kind

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of like, well, you know.

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Speaker 1: She said yes.

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Speaker 2: I was like, well, not really, and he invited us

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to come to this church so and literally the reason

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why I said yes was because they didn't require masks,

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so high standards here. So when the next Sunday and

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I sat in the seat and I was changed, I

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mean it was.

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Speaker 3: You just can't explain it. I don't even remember what

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the message was that day.

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Speaker 2: I think some of it was just the words of

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this pastor who we adore, obviously, and I felt like,

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this is exactly what.

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Speaker 3: I've been missing in my life.

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Speaker 2: And at the same time that that was happening, my

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husband was having some terrible health issues, which I was

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just desperate for something to come into my life, and

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so I think all of these were stacked that it

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was going to be so obvious for me that I

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could not say no. So yeah, yeah, I mean that's

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not even that long ago. No, I can't even believe

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who like who I am now. I have a long

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way to go, but it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the transformation is truly wild. And all of the

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ways that I have seen the Lord work in your

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life in the past five years is just truly insane,

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and like only God can do that, and it's so cool. Okay,

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So let's get into the Chris health stuff, because there's

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so much here and it truly like the type of

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story that gives me chills when I think about it.

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So why don't you just share? Okay, kind of how

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it started and so it happened.

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Speaker 2: We get COVID like everybody did early on, and I

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get it, have it, no, you know, no symptoms, really

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accept lost my taste and smell and just assumed that

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I had it. I didn't need proof, but I just

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assume that I had it. He gets it as well

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and has a little bit worse symptoms. But then like

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a month later, he started having some very bizarre symptoms

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and he already has some ear issues like some hearing

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issues and some ringing, but it was accentuated, and I

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just kept thinking, Okay, this has to be like an

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ear infection or something. So we start going to some

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different doctors and nobody can figure out anything. So it's like, oh,

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you know, it might be this, it might be this.

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It'd send you to somebody else, and now you're waiting

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for a month to get into another appointment. And we

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were already you know, eating clean and you know, doing

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some supplements, but we just really upped everything and he's

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progressively getting worse.

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Speaker 1: And what he was diagnosed.

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Speaker 2: With was called hyperacousticis, which is a very sensitive hearing.

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So when I say sensitive, I mean his own voice

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was too loud and it was painful. So imagine your

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dog barking, getting ice in a glass, your doorbell ringing,

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driving TV radio.

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Speaker 3: Radio, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: So all of these things, he can't do anything that

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you would normally do. So even when you're sick, you

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can go watch a movie. He couldn't do anything, and

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00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,200
it was becoming very isolating and actually very scary, and

481
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so a friend of mine who was a chiropractor, I

482
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was like, can you see him.

483
00:23:25,519 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 1: Can you I don't know, we need to do something.

484
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 2: And she ended up and I was already going to

485
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,920
church at this point because I was just like desperate,

486
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,640
you know, and I was feeling the Holy Spirit there.

487
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,079
Speaker 1: So it was like my.

488
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 2: Joy and it was like the one time in the

489
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week where I was like, oh, I feel normal.

490
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 1: Is this in twenty twenty This was.

491
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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one into twenty twenty two, But I

492
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,960
was already had already been going to church for a while.

493
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So we go and take him to this chiropractor friend

494
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:59,680
who does something called my official work, and she basically said, okay, wow,

495
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:04,720
there's some spiritual warfare happening here. She and I'm not

496
00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:07,440
in the room, I'm out in the lobby, and she

497
00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:11,559
asks him if he would like to have some like scripture,

498
00:24:11,599 --> 00:24:14,880
healing scripture, and he of course said yes. You didn't

499
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,200
even have a Bible, didn't even own a Bible, And

500
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,319
so she was the first person who said I think

501
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,920
this could be spiritual and I think you should start

502
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,400
reading the Bible. And he was looked at her like what,

503
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,519
I don't even know what, I don't even know.

504
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,039
Speaker 1: Where to start.

505
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,319
Speaker 2: So he I think she may have even given him

506
00:24:31,319 --> 00:24:34,920
a Bible and he literally started just opening up and

507
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,640
reading the words. And because he couldn't talk, he couldn't work,

508
00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:41,200
he couldn't drive, he couldn't watch TV.

509
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,839
Speaker 1: Which is just to stop and think about that for

510
00:24:44,839 --> 00:24:47,319
a second. I mean, that is that's like hell on her.

511
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,039
That is like solitary confinement. I mean, that is the

512
00:24:50,079 --> 00:24:53,319
worst thing you can imagine. I mean, it's torture.

513
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 2: Well, and the rest of us are walking around the

514
00:24:55,160 --> 00:25:00,839
house literally in silence. So whenever he he was around,

515
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,079
we just didn't talk. House full of boys, right, list

516
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,160
was already moved out, It's.

517
00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: Just the two.

518
00:25:06,599 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: But like I stopped doing the dishes. I wouldn't make

519
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,920
any food. It was just like and then you know,

520
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,960
he felt like, Okay, well now nobody can do anything,

521
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,440
so I'm just going to go back into the basement

522
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:15,599
or into the bedroom.

523
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,279
Speaker 1: And so solitary, I mean totally.

524
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 2: And I know he would not care if I shared

525
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,759
this because it's it's really part of the story. But

526
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:26,920
I mean there were times where I was like, are

527
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,640
you okay? I know you're not okay, but I think

528
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,920
I worded it should I be worried about you? And

529
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:39,119
he swore to me, no, we have you know, we

530
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,119
believe in the Second Amendment.

531
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,039
Speaker 3: So I've said.

532
00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:47,079
Speaker 2: I didn't think you would ever do anything, but I

533
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,039
still would ask. And that is the hardest thing to

534
00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:52,720
ask your husband. Yeah, I mean, nobody wants to ask

535
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:56,799
their husband. There was one time he was in the

536
00:25:56,839 --> 00:25:59,759
bedroom and he was laying down and he texted me.

537
00:26:01,079 --> 00:26:02,559
I was in the kitchen and he said, please don't

538
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:06,119
come in here. He said, I am not doing well.

539
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,839
And of course I go in there. You don't do that.

540
00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:12,559
And he just said, I feel like the devil is

541
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:14,480
taking over my body. And of course, you know, that

542
00:26:14,599 --> 00:26:18,480
was just terrifying, and I you know, would reach out

543
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,880
to my people like please pray, this is not good.

544
00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:25,079
And I'm sure he wanted to end his life. I

545
00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:27,200
mean he never said that to me, but he has

546
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,000
told me that since he just wanted to be done

547
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:31,039
and this.

548
00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:32,839
Speaker 1: Is people want to be done for far less like

549
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,039
And that was a prolonged thing.

550
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 3: And that's just it was two and a half years,

551
00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:39,359
it was and mental torment.

552
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

553
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 2: So all in the process of this, we had just

554
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,960
built our dream home. So now we've been in our

555
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,880
dream home for two years. You know, beautiful ranch on

556
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,039
an acre. I mean, it was just we loved it.

557
00:26:51,559 --> 00:26:53,559
We designed it and built it and it was amazing.

558
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,799
Sorrying to think, Okay, are you ever going to work again?

559
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,480
We really need to talk about what we're doing. And

560
00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:02,400
the market is insane at the time, and we had

561
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,039
actually had people stop by a knock on our door

562
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:05,720
and ask if we would sell our house because they

563
00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:07,319
loved the look of it and the lot, and I

564
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,720
was like no, and then the third person, I'm thinking, Okay,

565
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:12,400
maybe this is something we should consider.

566
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 3: YEP.

567
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:14,799
Speaker 2: So we ended up listing it. We sold it in

568
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:16,440
five days while over asking it.

569
00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:17,079
Speaker 3: It was insane.

570
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 2: So we sold our house and now we've nowhere to go,

571
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,920
and he's super sick. I also am dealing with something,

572
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,400
which is another story. So we find a cute little

573
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,480
house to rent, and we're still in that house because

574
00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:30,359
we can't figure out what.

575
00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: We want to do when we grow up.

576
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,319
Speaker 2: But we now are in this new place. And I'll

577
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,359
skip to the end of the miracle in it because

578
00:27:39,839 --> 00:27:42,920
it's literally two and a half years of just drawn

579
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,559
out horribleness.

580
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,039
Speaker 1: So it's my birthday.

581
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: This is a Saturday, and we're getting together with a

582
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,920
bunch of friends and he would try to go to

583
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,880
things and we would make all these accommodations. He'd come with,

584
00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,359
like these big lawnmowing you know, Jackhammers.

585
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: On newborns at a concert. Yeah.

586
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: It's really sad.

587
00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:05,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know he wanted to be there in

588
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:08,480
the effort. So I was just having a bad day,

589
00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:12,759
total pity party, and I just said to him, I

590
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:15,920
don't want you to come, Like I'm sorry, I don't

591
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:16,519
want you to come.

592
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: I I don't even want to go, but they're going

593
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,000
to make me go.

594
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:22,079
Speaker 2: So I basically uninvited him from my birthday and enter

595
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,240
and the kids came, and I literally tried to get

596
00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:24,559
out of it.

597
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:26,079
Speaker 3: I just felt like a horrible person.

598
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: So this was this was Saturday, and I remember after

599
00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:32,319
I went into his office and whispered, you know, you

600
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:33,079
cannot come.

601
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:35,759
Speaker 3: I went into my bedroom and I.

602
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,119
Speaker 2: Got on my knees and that was the lowest point

603
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,559
I had felt at this point, and I was just

604
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,720
sobbing to God, please just bring someone into my life

605
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,359
that can help us. And I mean I'd prayed this

606
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,759
pray prayer before, but it just was different. And so

607
00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:53,039
I go to church the next morning and I was

608
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:55,920
supposed to volunteer, and I said, please, just I just

609
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,119
need to come, you know, can you feel feel my spot?

610
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,440
And they did, so I purpose show up late so

611
00:29:01,559 --> 00:29:03,319
I don't see anybody I know, and I can just

612
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:05,880
sit in the back corner and just be there for myself.

613
00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:09,480
And my friend Miranda is walking in and she's.

614
00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: Like, oh my gosh, Hi, come sit with me.

615
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,279
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, so of course, I say sure,

616
00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:16,880
and I sit next to her and this other woman

617
00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:20,400
and I knew this woman from fifteen years ago, and

618
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:23,759
within three minutes standing there, she says, oh, my gosh,

619
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:26,440
you know how long have you been coming? And I said,

620
00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:29,839
you know, a couple of years. And I said, you know,

621
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:32,839
I normally come by myself or with my friends because

622
00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:34,319
my husband he's got some ear stuff.

623
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:36,559
Speaker 3: And she goes, oh, does he have hyperacoustics?

624
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:40,119
Speaker 2: And I'm like, nobody knows what that is, right, So

625
00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:43,880
I immediately look up. I'm like, thank you God. I don't

626
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,839
know what she's going to tell me, but just somebody

627
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,359
knows what he has. And she then said to me, well,

628
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,079
I had I had it. I had a brain tumor

629
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,000
and surgery and so I had it and I am healed,

630
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,079
and so I don't remember what happened the rest of

631
00:29:59,079 --> 00:29:59,559
the service.

632
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: Sure I was crying through the whole thing.

633
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: And proceeded to meet with her after that day, and

634
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,319
there were so many reasons why she shouldn't have been

635
00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:11,119
there that day, and I wasn't going to go. I mean,

636
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,039
we were sat next to each other for a reason.

637
00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:15,680
So I go to her house and she basically talks

638
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,720
me through what happened to her, and then she says

639
00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:22,759
to me, this is how I was healed. Obviously God

640
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:24,240
healed me, but I did it.

641
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: Through this this. Oh gosh, this book.

642
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,279
Speaker 2: It's a book that you can get in, something you

643
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:34,200
can program, you can do, and it's called d NRS

644
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,319
Dynamic Neural Retraining System. And so she says it. She

645
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:39,079
pulls out this book and I'm like, we have that.

646
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,200
Someone had given it to him, Okay, like a month prior.

647
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,200
He tried it three times and every time he tried

648
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,119
it he had vertigo.

649
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:47,759
Speaker 1: Okay.

650
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,319
Speaker 2: And so I told her this, and she goes, you

651
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,680
tell him that is the devil he needs to push

652
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:54,000
through that.

653
00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I will tell him that, which

654
00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:59,279
also vertigo another kind of hell. I mean, that's horrible,

655
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:02,119
and he'd never had but only when you open that book.

656
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: So I was like, she's not into something.

657
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: So I get home and I just tell him all

658
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,079
about her and what she recommended, and so he pulled

659
00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:13,880
that book out and he started it that day. Okay,

660
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,839
so this is Sunday afternoon. Wednesday night, she came over.

661
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:23,240
I left so they could whisper and have a little conversation. Friday,

662
00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:26,839
he was healed, gone, all his symptoms.

663
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:32,759
Speaker 1: Gray. What crazy.

664
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 4: Should social media influencers register like lobbyists? The Watched Out

665
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,920
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666
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,720
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667
00:31:46,759 --> 00:31:49,599
how it affects your wallet. Some in Congress are proposing

668
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that paid social media influencers publicly disclose who they represent,

669
00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:58,319
especially if they're being paid by foreign countries for their causes.

670
00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:01,000
Whether it's happening in DC or Wall Street, it's affecting

671
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you financially. Be informed.

672
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Speaker 1: Check out the.

673
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674
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675
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Speaker 2: I mean, now, he wasn't healed in forty eight hours.

676
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,920
He had done the work. I mean, he had been

677
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,240
reading the Bible and watching church online and meeting with

678
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:27,519
our pastor, and so, I mean, he had been doing

679
00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:30,359
a lot of things, but I think it was he

680
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,680
was finally had hope that someone else he wasn't crazy,

681
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,160
someone else had what he has, and that combination was just.

682
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: Like that, Wow, so insane. And again, only the Lord

683
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,200
can connect those dots and do that and crazy, just

684
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:49,160
the way that he so providentially orchestrates our path to

685
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,240
cross paths with other people, and like he sees and

686
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:54,720
he hears and he knows.

687
00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: He can not deny.

688
00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: No, you can't. And there are times when for two

689
00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:00,759
and a half years, you are in ice and you

690
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,920
cannot you cannot see why or understand. And maybe you

691
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,000
still can't understand why. But just like the Lord is

692
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:10,000
not gone in those moments, and he does not forsake us.

693
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:12,839
And it is just so evident that his hand was

694
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,720
on Chris and on you the whole time. And it's

695
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:18,599
just that story is mind blowing to me.

696
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: And I think the best part, besides the fact that

697
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,960
he's he's good now, is that so many people witness this.

698
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,279
I mean our friends, I mean, I was like the

699
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:32,480
worst person to be friends with during that time because

700
00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:35,440
I didn't want to do anything, but they forced me,

701
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:37,240
and I'm so glad they did.

702
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:38,759
Speaker 3: And so many people were praying for me.

703
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,599
Speaker 2: And I'm not, like, you know, down in the dumbst person,

704
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,799
and so I would try to like do normal things,

705
00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:50,880
but it was hard, and so I so many including

706
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,720
my kids, but so many people witnessed the only thing

707
00:33:54,759 --> 00:33:55,960
you could call as a miracle.

708
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, so that's not the only miracle in

709
00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:06,119
your family with your family's help. So yes, not to

710
00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:07,799
cut the Christ story short, because I'm sure there are

711
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:10,199
so many other things you could say about it, but

712
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:15,440
let's talk about the miracle of your oldest son, Tyler,

713
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,920
his near death experience and how the Lord absolutely spared

714
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,599
his life and then ultimately gave him life in Christ later,

715
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,440
but let's just start with the physical life of Tyler.

716
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,679
Speaker 2: So I think the thing that with Tyler and what

717
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,559
happened to him is really when you ask me that

718
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:36,880
question before, this is what I was going to say,

719
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,639
But it was I didn't see it then. I didn't

720
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:44,119
see that it was changing us, but it totally did.

721
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: As the thing that was kind of drawing you back

722
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:46,119
to faith.

723
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 2: So it was but it was really the first time

724
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,000
I went to church and set, you know, in that seat.

725
00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:56,599
Speaker 1: So this was it. It takes a thing. Obviously, the

726
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:59,559
Lord's over here with a neon sign like hey wow.

727
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 3: So many times.

728
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:07,079
Speaker 2: So this was twenty nineteen, and so our oldest Tyler

729
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,440
was twenty one, and he owned his own business, and

730
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,639
you know, just this great kid, like typical firstborn, so loving,

731
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,280
he takes care of his brothers, he's.

732
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,599
Speaker 1: He's just such a great kid.

733
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: And he very much wanted to be an entrepreneur like

734
00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:26,199
his mom and dad. And so he had this business

735
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,760
he had started at nineteen at so window washing company,

736
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,199
and he was going to do a job this particular day,

737
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:38,519
and so many things happened this day that weren't normal.

738
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,960
He left about eleven thirty and he said he'd be

739
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,079
done about one one thirty. I never get sick, never,

740
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,239
And around one thirty I was in my kitchen. I

741
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,400
was supposed to speak that night at an event, and

742
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,800
about one thirty ish I went from feeling normal to

743
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,760
oh my gosh, what is happening to me? I need

744
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,679
to go lay down. I'm I think I'm getting the flu.

745
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,880
And it happened that fast. Yeah, so and when I

746
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,039
lay down, my kids are like, oh my, it's mom dying.

747
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:14,119
So I go lay down and maybe take a little

748
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:14,840
nap or something.

749
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 1: And I get up.

750
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,599
Speaker 2: It's now three o'clock and I'm like, where, you know,

751
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:20,719
where's Tyler? Because he was living back at home for

752
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,920
a short period of time at this point, and it's.

753
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: Just something fell off. And I, you know, we have

754
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:29,480
light through sixty even though our kids are dolls, who

755
00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:30,000
still have it.

756
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 3: It's so funny.

757
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: And I checked.

758
00:36:32,679 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: To see he was still at this at this property.

759
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:40,599
Speaker 2: And I'm still feeling just awful, but I keep checking,

760
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:41,360
like why.

761
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: Is he still there?

762
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: And so I texted or I asked my husband to

763
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,840
text him because he said he was going to be home,

764
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,280
and Tyler never says he, you know, he would have

765
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,920
called and checked in, hey have money later, I'm going

766
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,440
to go do another job, right, classic firstborn? Classic, So

767
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,440
now my husband's texting him and not getting to and

768
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,639
then my middle's texting him, and now it's.

769
00:37:03,519 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: Like five point thirty and this is just weird.

770
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,199
Speaker 2: He's not even home for dinner or saying he's going

771
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,840
to be late, and so I go into the kitchen

772
00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:15,239
and now we're all kind of like, all right, somebody

773
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,679
there needs to go over there. Someone needs to you know,

774
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,239
you keep calling him, you drive over there, and let's

775
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,920
figure out what's going on. So my husband gets in

776
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,800
his car, my middle son is calling him, and then

777
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,760
all of a sudden, the phone rings. Now, mind you,

778
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,079
I'm in the kitchen and I forgot that I'm I

779
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:34,599
am not sick. I have no symptoms, but I don't

780
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:38,360
even notice it. I'm like, well, it's so weird. But

781
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,719
it cut me from going to this meeting that night.

782
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,800
I had already canceled and said I couldn't be there.

783
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,199
So my middle answers his phone because he gets a

784
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:50,320
call back and it's Tyler, and they have a.

785
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:51,559
Speaker 1: Few words and he hangs up the phone.

786
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: He goes, all right, that was Tyler. He said he's

787
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:54,760
on his way home. And I'm thinking, what the heck

788
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,719
why didn't he let us know? Then Tanner paused and

789
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,599
he goes, mom, I think you're to call him back.

790
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:03,280
He didn't sound right, okay, so it was the first

791
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,800
thing for another boy to even notice it, you know.

792
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,519
So I take my phone and I call him and

793
00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:13,880
he answers and he sounds super raspy.

794
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,639
Speaker 1: And just not like himself.

795
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: And I'm like, hey, Bud, what's up? And he goes, Mom,

796
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,559
I don't think I should drive. I'm not feeling very good.

797
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:24,960
And don't ask me how I knew this, but I said,

798
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:30,320
oh my god, you have carbon monoxide poisoning. So he

799
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,320
is like what. So Tanner calls nine to one one.

800
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:36,039
Now Chris is on his way over there. The ambulance

801
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:36,679
is now coming.

802
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: I have experience with this before at all? Or what

803
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:39,960
tipped you off to that?

804
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,599
Speaker 2: Well, based on what he does he was, I knew

805
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:47,599
he was powerwashing, and I don't know why I said that.

806
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:49,920
Of course, looking back, I'm like, well, yeah, that would

807
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,360
be natural that you could get carbon monoxide poisoning from

808
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,800
a closed in space using a gas powered thing.

809
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: So Chris gets there.

810
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: And then is already there and he's in the ambulance,

811
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:07,159
and I go straight to the hospital and I'm not thinking.

812
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,559
I'm not thinking anything is super serious. I'm just like, Okay,

813
00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:13,079
he's in the ambulance, they got him.

814
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:14,039
Speaker 3: It's all going to be good.

815
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:17,199
Speaker 2: I don't ever get like it takes a lot for

816
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,679
me to think of I don't think the worst ever.

817
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,519
So we all get there and he's I go into

818
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:26,440
his room and he's got the mask on and he's

819
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,360
given me the thumbs up.

820
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, great, this is you know, he's good.

821
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:33,559
Speaker 2: About fifteen minutes later, the doctor pulls Chris and I

822
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:36,039
out to the hall and he says, okay, so he's

823
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:39,239
lucky to be alive. Okay, And he says, but we're

824
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,880
going to MedFlight him to Milwaukee because he needs to

825
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,639
get his you know, body flushed of this carbon exit.

826
00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, So of course that's a little

827
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:48,480
bit more serious.

828
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: And my husband is definitely more of a you know,

829
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:57,000
this could be the end, right and so and he

830
00:39:57,079 --> 00:39:59,920
had a super important doctor's appointment the next day for

831
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,440
a kidney thing that he could not I mean, it

832
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,800
took like four months to get into ex appointments. So

833
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:10,000
my best friend, who we've referenced twice, now tonight I'll

834
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,679
go with you. So she drives down. We drive to Milwaukee,

835
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,559
and the whole time it's like an hour and fifteen

836
00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:18,679
minute drive, I can hear the helicopter taking off.

837
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:20,119
Speaker 3: I am totally.

838
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,679
Speaker 1: Calm, and she keeps saying to me, how are you

839
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:23,360
not freaking out?

840
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know.

841
00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: I just feel I feel like he's gonna be He's

842
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:31,440
gonna be okay. And they did the three rounds of

843
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,960
it was very fascinating. It was interesting to be watching

844
00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:36,119
him in this big thing.

845
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:37,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do they do?

846
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,119
Speaker 2: So basically hyperbaric is in the hospital. It's a big room,

847
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:45,239
like the size, and they you know, have this they

848
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,400
all have protective stuff on, so they have something over

849
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,480
his head, but they are flushing his body, pushing this

850
00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:55,920
the carbon dioxide out of his body and like a

851
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,320
respiratory thing kind of it's like it's almost like taking

852
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,239
you down in to like what a submarine you know,

853
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:07,760
would do. And they did that three times, and you know,

854
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,840
they were checking in with me and you know, he's

855
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:15,440
doing well, still not thinking anything is super super life

856
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,920
threatening or anything. And then the next after the third one,

857
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,559
they came in and sat down with me and said,

858
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:26,079
you know, he should not be here. Okay, the levels, well, no,

859
00:41:26,159 --> 00:41:27,079
it's a dim pre the story.

860
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 3: I'll tell that next.

861
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: But he's he's going to be great, He's going to

862
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:31,239
be okay.

863
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,119
Speaker 2: Now there could be liver kidney bringing a little bit

864
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:37,239
of damage, but right now we're thinking he's good and

865
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,119
so now I'm realizing, oh my gosh, like this was

866
00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:44,480
really really, really serious. Yeah, so I'm not a huge

867
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:47,400
like post these life things on Facebook, but I knew

868
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,440
a lot of people knew that he was in the hospital.

869
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,920
So I felt like, Okay, he's good. I want everyone

870
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,079
to know that he's okay. I look back at that

871
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:59,719
post from that it was February seventh, and hundreds and

872
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,480
huns and hundreds and hundreds of comments and people reaching

873
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:08,360
out private messages and texts. I was like blown away

874
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:14,039
that this many people, you know, really cared about this

875
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,079
and him and our family.

876
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,519
Speaker 1: And so the best message was.

877
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: So I taught kindergarten for quite a few years, and

878
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,440
you know, my students are in their forties or something else.

879
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:33,159
And so this one guy, Mike Olsen to private messaged

880
00:42:33,199 --> 00:42:36,400
me and said, hey, I just read your story about

881
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,960
your son. Can I ask if this was the address?

882
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,039
And then he listed the address and I said it

883
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:42,559
was you know, how do you know? And he goes,

884
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:44,119
do you mind if I share this story. I was

885
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:47,519
the first person on the scene. Basically, I don't know

886
00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:50,039
what the term is like the they had come in

887
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:52,519
their has metsuits and they're like whatever that is. They

888
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,199
cleaning the house out, okay, And he said, they tested

889
00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:59,039
the carbonoxide levels at the front door and they said

890
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,079
nobody survived. That's just the readings. They said, nobody could

891
00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:04,639
have survived this. They didn't know who was there, if

892
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:07,800
it was one person, five people. And so he was.

893
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: So the front door at the front door, yeah.

894
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:15,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was he just said, I'm so grateful

895
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:17,719
and I can't we never have we never have good news.

896
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: So can I share this.

897
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 3: With my team?

898
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,599
Speaker 1: I said yes, please please, So that was cool, okay.

899
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,039
And then so that you know, the guy, I know,

900
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:28,119
little Mikey was there first. It's so cool that your

901
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:33,400
kindergartener rescued yourself. So okay. So then.

902
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,639
Speaker 2: We basically, you know, get all the news that that

903
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,320
he's fine. Then Tyler starts to come around and tell me,

904
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:44,920
like what actually happened, and he.

905
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: Gets on the job.

906
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:51,039
Speaker 2: Yes, he was using the gas powered you know, he

907
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:53,880
was young, and clearly for Christmas, he got a carbonax

908
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,199
side detector to wear in his belt.

909
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: He didn't crack the window. He just like, I just

910
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,599
didn't think about it. So he remembers feeling very woozy.

911
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: Normally he sets hist his phone and his keys up

912
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:09,760
on a ledge. They were on his physical body. He

913
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,239
just remembers feeling.

914
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,079
Speaker 1: Very dizzy, and he said, I'm just going to lay down. Well,

915
00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:13,880
he's in a basement.

916
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:20,519
Speaker 2: It's cold, hard concrete, and he goes to sleep.

917
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 3: He slept for.

918
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,519
Speaker 1: I don't know, five hours, six hours. In the whole

919
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:34,039
time you're monitoring life sixty and he's not coming home. Yeah,

920
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,360
he's taking a power nap, right, fueled by so harbon monoxide,

921
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:38,000
passed out.

922
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:41,559
Speaker 2: They think that his body temperature got low enough that

923
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:46,480
that also helped because it sold his breathing, so shirk hypothermia, right.

924
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: Yes, And then.

925
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: He remembers, so it's it's February, so time change. It's dark,

926
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:55,880
so he wakes It gets dark at four thirty. It's

927
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,159
like five thirty when he wakes up and it's pitch

928
00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:00,079
black and he's in a basement with no lights.

929
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,559
Speaker 1: And he wakes up on the stairs.

930
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:11,599
Speaker 2: So that happened, crawls his way out, he gets outside,

931
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:12,639
he falls on his.

932
00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:17,599
Speaker 1: Chin. He's totally like delusional.

933
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: He gets to his car, he has his phone and

934
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,119
his keys, his phone has power charge. I mean all

935
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:25,039
these things where he would have had to go back

936
00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:26,280
into the house to try to find it.

937
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,679
Speaker 1: He wouldn't have known in the dark, in the carbon monoxide. Yep.

938
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,599
Maybe then he passes out on the front yard.

939
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:34,079
Speaker 3: Who knows.

940
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:36,599
Speaker 2: So yeah, it just he was able to He just

941
00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:38,760
hit the last number that was called, and it was Tanner.

942
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:41,039
And that's how the whole thing happens.

943
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: Wow, I know, so crazy, And I mean, what are

944
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,719
the chances. Okay, you're testing the carbon monoxide at the

945
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,760
front door. Nobody survived this, What are the chances not

946
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,559
only that somebody survives it, but survives it where it's

947
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:56,719
even more concentrated in the basement, and not only survives it,

948
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,679
but wakes up again, like wakes up. You know, that's

949
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,079
not that was what they said.

950
00:46:02,119 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 3: Wouldn't have happened.

951
00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: Right right again, only the lord. Only his hand was

952
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,199
clearly on Tyler. So that's what y're When did this happen?

953
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:16,519
Nineteen Okay? And I was still for days. People were

954
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:18,320
texting how is he doing? And I remember, there's this

955
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,119
picture I have on my phone and I still share

956
00:46:20,159 --> 00:46:22,599
it and he's sitting in our kitchen and he's going

957
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,800
like this, and he's because I was sending this to

958
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:27,519
a friend of ours.

959
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 2: And I remember when I took that and he just said,

960
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,079
you know, I know God saved me for a reason.

961
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:35,360
I don't remember him ever using the word God before,

962
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:40,639
you know, and so and we were all like clearly, clearly,

963
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:44,239
So that was kind of that he knew he was saved.

964
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:45,639
Speaker 3: That was a miracle.

965
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yep, so fast forward because he was saved

966
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,480
for a reason. Yes, can you share a little bit

967
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,199
about I know it's like his story to tell it,

968
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,239
but a little bit about like how the Lord saved. Yeah.

969
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so cool to see this happening to one

970
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:05,559
of your kids.

971
00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:07,639
Speaker 3: I'm try not to cry and try to get through

972
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:09,440
this because it's just so cool.

973
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: So he witnesses his own you know, health miracle and

974
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,800
then sees his dad get healed.

975
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,519
Speaker 1: And in this process we were going to church. He

976
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:24,360
was not. He actually was really resistant. He sot like me,

977
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,679
he was squirmy. He would be in church.

978
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: He just looked, I do not want to be here,

979
00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:32,880
you know, finding I don't like the music, I don't

980
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,119
like this. You just I'm like, oh this is me,

981
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:37,360
so I'm here for it, you know.

982
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:38,159
Speaker 1: Yeah.

983
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: And the same pastor who I heard the first time,

984
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,360
he talked about some things that day, and I'm not

985
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:47,920
going to say what it was about, but it was

986
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:52,239
very relevant to Tyler. And so he said, Mom, do

987
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,360
you think I would be able to meet with Pastor?

988
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,039
And I said one hundred percent, he would love that.

989
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,519
So of course I texted.

990
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, you know, Tyler, did you ever

991
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,199
reached out to you? And he's like, all right, I

992
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:05,599
got this.

993
00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 2: And so they met and it was a profound meeting

994
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,199
and then I think it was the second meeting.

995
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,599
Speaker 3: Again, I don't want to share his story, but it's

996
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:15,079
so cool.

997
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: Basically they were he was asked specifically, you know, do

998
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,679
you want to accept Jesus into your heart? And Tyler

999
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,320
said yes, and so they went out in the parking

1000
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,599
lot and basically he prayed over him and he accepted

1001
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:26,320
Jesus that day.

1002
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: So awesome, so cool, so awesome. Like again, stories are long.

1003
00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:33,079
The way that God orchestrates all of these things is

1004
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,360
so crazy. And since then we've gotten to see him baptized,

1005
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:40,039
like just it's been really awesome and he is a

1006
00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:43,440
wonderful person and so really truly a privilege to know

1007
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:45,960
him and know of his story so well, and yeah,

1008
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:49,079
just wonderful. So Okay, while we're talking about Tyler and

1009
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:51,800
Tanner and the rest, Yeah, let's just talk about you

1010
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:57,800
being a boy mom. So you always wanted kids, Okay.

1011
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,400
You talked about how when you had kids everything changed

1012
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,920
for you and you just wanted to be home with them.

1013
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:04,920
You know that you were a teacher who loved teaching,

1014
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,199
but then you would just like wanted to be home

1015
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:11,159
with Tyler. Was that a I'm so overwhelmed and I

1016
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,559
just want to be home because I I can't, I

1017
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:16,159
don't want to work anymore. Or was it like a

1018
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:18,679
biological change of just like I need to be with

1019
00:49:18,679 --> 00:49:20,119
my baby or what was that? Like?

1020
00:49:20,639 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: I definitely would say it was a biological thing. I

1021
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,039
was the you know, definitely the person who's like, I

1022
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:29,679
can handle it all. I can be a super mom,

1023
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,320
a super teacher. I just it's really overrated. People don't

1024
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,519
do it. It's really overrated. But that was just the

1025
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,079
way I was raised. So, I, you know, I was

1026
00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:43,360
I felt like I was an exceptional teacher. I was

1027
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,480
my being a mom was the most important.

1028
00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: Job ever ever. I could handle a lot.

1029
00:49:49,159 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 2: I you know, my husband was traveling the first four

1030
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,239
and a half years of my youngest son's life. So

1031
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,119
I was literally a single mom for four and a

1032
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:59,320
half years and then a stint of about six months

1033
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:00,960
he was home, and then other year, and that was

1034
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:04,119
during market crash. When you're an entrepreneur, you just got

1035
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:05,679
to figured out go where the job is. And so

1036
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:06,719
that's why he was gone.

1037
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,119
Speaker 1: So he go like he wasn't coming and going. He

1038
00:50:11,159 --> 00:50:11,840
was gone.

1039
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: He was up about an hour and forty minutes away

1040
00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:18,599
as a realture on an amazing golf course community, and

1041
00:50:18,639 --> 00:50:20,280
so we would drive up there on the weekends. But like,

1042
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,960
here's me, my three kids, wants a baby in my suburban,

1043
00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:27,880
packing the car, the coolers, doing all the things, grabbing

1044
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,360
them from school, driving up living large for the weekend,

1045
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,159
like just you know, great, we were on a lake

1046
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,320
and we had a boat and all the things, and

1047
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,639
then packing the car up Sunday nights, sometimes really early Monday,

1048
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:40,800
taking them straight to school.

1049
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 3: I mean we did that for a long time. Wow,

1050
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:44,639
long time.

1051
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I never once complained because I didn't know

1052
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,480
that that was an option. I was like, no, this

1053
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:53,039
is the life that we chose, so I'm not going

1054
00:50:53,039 --> 00:50:55,119
to complain about it. I'm so grateful for all the

1055
00:50:55,119 --> 00:51:00,000
things that we have, and so that was I didn't

1056
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:04,239
think anything of it. Yeah, managing the house, managing the bills,

1057
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:05,719
and Chris was just.

1058
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,559
Speaker 1: Working, Yeah, just making it work. Yeah, okay, So more

1059
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:14,840
of a biological case, you think, did you want a

1060
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,480
family of boys? I mean, of course, like it's all

1061
00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:19,960
wonderful and like the Lord gives me a question to

1062
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,920
give you, But I'm just so curious, like did you

1063
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,039
were you one of those people who's like, I'm going

1064
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:26,519
to be a boy mom because I knowing your personality,

1065
00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:27,719
it's so fitting to you.

1066
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 3: It fits.

1067
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,599
Speaker 1: But I'm just curious, like was there a hope or

1068
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:35,039
a disappointment or anything like about about not having more

1069
00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:38,719
estrogen in the house. Yeah, I wanted six, okay, but

1070
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,559
we started a little late things because you were one

1071
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:44,000
of six. I think, so, okay, I.

1072
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 2: Just want a huge family because it's great. It was

1073
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,679
just so always chaotic and it's so fun. So Chris

1074
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,760
wanted to I wanted six. And so we have a boy,

1075
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,119
which we want. We both said, let's let's have a boy, like.

1076
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:58,639
Speaker 1: We can buy plant. It'd be great to have that

1077
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,880
first sibling be a boy. So had boy and then we.

1078
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 2: Got pregnant, and I'm like, a second boy would be

1079
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,800
cool because then they could be best friends, and then

1080
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:07,360
we'll have a girl.

1081
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:13,079
Speaker 1: Third, So we have a second boy. And then when

1082
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:14,400
then we actually were.

1083
00:52:14,679 --> 00:52:17,199
Speaker 2: Toying with not having anymore because he was really happy

1084
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,159
having two. And he used to say, I don't know,

1085
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,400
we kind of broke the mole. These kids were super healthy,

1086
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,880
they were really easy, good easy kids, and he was

1087
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:25,880
kind of right, But I'm like, that is the dumbest

1088
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,119
reason that toy kids, right, right, So we it took

1089
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:31,719
us four years to get on the same page.

1090
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: So we have our fourth okay, and afore year age gap. Yeah,

1091
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:35,119
those two.

1092
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, And when I was pregnant, I said to Chris,

1093
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,480
you know, the statistics are if you have two, you're

1094
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:42,079
gonna have a boy.

1095
00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:43,519
Speaker 1: So I'm just letting you know we're probably gonna have

1096
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:43,960
another boy.

1097
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 3: And I am totally cool with that.

1098
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,519
Speaker 1: And I think he really wanted to have a girl. Okay,

1099
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,000
but it's funny that he was the one who wanted

1100
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,639
to have Yeah. I mean, don't get me wrong, I

1101
00:52:51,679 --> 00:52:53,440
would have loved to have a girl. Yeah, of course.

1102
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,679
Speaker 2: But when I was a teacher, my favorite years, literally,

1103
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,000
my favorite classes were when I had like seventeen boys

1104
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:00,880
and five girls.

1105
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 3: I struggled with the girls.

1106
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:07,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was there's so much drama and they're five. Yeah,

1107
00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:09,400
I'm like, what is happening here? Yeah, So I think

1108
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,119
deep down I was totally cool with having having all boys.

1109
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 2: So we decide to, you know, find out what we

1110
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,519
didn't find out what we were having with the first two,

1111
00:53:18,519 --> 00:53:20,360
which was super exciting, and the third we decided to

1112
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:21,920
find out because I really wanted to get rid of all.

1113
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: The boy stuff.

1114
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 3: If we were having a girl, okay, And.

1115
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 2: The boys both wanted a sister, so they said. And

1116
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:27,960
the day we found out was on the way to

1117
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,239
Thanksgiving dinner and I'm like, okay, guys, ready, we want

1118
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,679
to find out. And they're both chanting, we want a sister.

1119
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,079
And then put on speakerphone, she goes.

1120
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,119
Speaker 1: You're having a a boy and they go, yay, we're

1121
00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:42,400
having a brother. It was like they didn't care, they

1122
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:44,440
did not care. They're just excited and I.

1123
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 2: Was so excited and so yeah, and then we at

1124
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,440
that point, I'm thirty six, and I'm like, I think

1125
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:50,800
we're good.

1126
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're good. Yeah. So well, and as a kindergarten teacher.

1127
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,519
You were probably very well to raise whichever is going

1128
00:53:57,599 --> 00:53:59,719
to be. You know, you're not it's raising voice is

1129
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,480
not for or to you even as a girl, because

1130
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,360
you've kind of got it pieces and nephews, and I was, yeah, yeah,

1131
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,800
it's experience. Yeah, okay, Well, and you know it is

1132
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,400
really fun because you do fit that that mold so

1133
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:13,599
well of being a boy mom. So I just love it.

1134
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,199
But you also in some ways have a daughter now,

1135
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,480
which is exciting because one of your boys is married,

1136
00:54:18,519 --> 00:54:22,079
which yes, how has that been just welcoming finally getting

1137
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:25,000
a girl into the fold. It is really really cool.

1138
00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 3: And you know, my daughter in law as well, she's lovely, she.

1139
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:33,119
Speaker 2: Is amazing, and she is actually I don't know if

1140
00:54:33,159 --> 00:54:35,320
she would like me to say this, but I feel

1141
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,960
like she's a lot like me in many ways. We're

1142
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:44,760
both very opinionated. We have really strong feelings about certain things.

1143
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:50,760
We both love fiercely. And what I love about being

1144
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,119
a mother in law is like I love a challenge,

1145
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:56,159
a good challenge. I'm not going to be like the

1146
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,519
at least I hope not to be the traditional what

1147
00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:01,760
people and I think you can have a beautiful relationship

1148
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,400
with you know, your daughter in law.

1149
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 3: You just have to know your boundaries.

1150
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 2: And yeah, you know, I'm very close to Tyler, as

1151
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,800
you should be. It's your first and but he is,

1152
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,079
he's really living out his dream. He wants to be

1153
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:20,360
a husband and a father and hopefully that happens soon

1154
00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:25,480
and a business owner and he's literally doing I think

1155
00:55:25,559 --> 00:55:29,119
God's work, and so together, it'll be so fun to

1156
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,079
watch them grow. I mean they've only been married since

1157
00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:35,079
May so, but we love her and it is fun

1158
00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:38,440
to have, you know, someone who I mean, I'm not

1159
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,400
I wouldn't consider myself super girly, but I like girl things.

1160
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 3: But it's fun to have that.

1161
00:55:42,599 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: You know, we can go on a trip together and

1162
00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:48,280
you know, do do those things? Yes, fun, Yeah, so awesome. Yeah,

1163
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,360
bring that female energy finally into the fold. Very cluse,

1164
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:51,840
it's very fun.

1165
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:52,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1166
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,159
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for tuning into this week's episode

1167
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,119
of The Kai the Cast. Please like and subscribe wherever

1168
00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:05,679
you get your podcasts, and don't miss part two next

1169
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,880
week of the interview with Susannah Haik. We cannot wait

1170
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:12,320
to see you again. Until then, just remember the true parts.

1171
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:13,280
But it won't kill you.