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Speaker 1: here to that screen right there, guys, good evening. Thank
Speaker 1: you for joining us tonight. Hey, Renee, I see Renee
Speaker 1: six in the chat. We're going to talk about M.
Speaker 1: Seventeen with Ed and Steve tonight. And I got a
Speaker 1: brand new radio, the Connect Systems see us seven seventeen.
Speaker 1: It even says M. Seventeen on the radio right there,
Speaker 1: so you know it's legit. It's like reading something on
Speaker 1: the internet. You know it's true because you read it
Speaker 1: on the internet, right, But supposedly this is the one
Speaker 1: that works. So we'll talk about that here. In a second,
Speaker 1: I'm going to shout out to the YouTube channel members tonight,
Speaker 1: the ones who have joined the chat. Wayne Tom, I
Speaker 1: see you guys in there, Grayman, Poda, Steve, what's up?
Speaker 1: Jody v A five s Ar Good evening, ed Ac three,
Speaker 1: I k Randall k k R five ee Lee, see
Speaker 1: you in there. Ronald T Man see you guys in there. Good,
Speaker 1: good evening to all. Thank you to those of you
Speaker 1: who came out to the PODA event yesterday. We didn't
Speaker 1: have very many people, maybe eight or ten something like that,
Speaker 1: maybe now probably like seven or eight something like that,
Speaker 1: but it was a fun time. We set up the
Speaker 1: hex being we made a lot of contacts. Ten meters
Speaker 1: was open, fifteen meters was open, Don and five SKT
Speaker 1: was out there. We plugged in the triplexer to the
Speaker 1: hex beam. We ran ten meters, ran fifteen meters, we
Speaker 1: ran some twenty meters. Got a couple of a couple
Speaker 1: of metaga out there named Mike who was a technician
Speaker 1: and he sat there on ten meters with his G
Speaker 1: ninety and made a lot of contacts. So it was
Speaker 1: it was a fun time. So hopefully you guys got
Speaker 1: to get on the air yesterday for Parks on the
Speaker 1: Air New York Q so party was apparently that same
Speaker 1: day or same weekend, and Jamboree on the air was
Speaker 1: of course on Saturday, so there was a lot of
Speaker 1: people on the air on Saturday. Not a bad thing,
Speaker 1: just made a lot of contacts and it was all
Speaker 1: a good thing. So thank you to those of you
Speaker 1: who I worked over the air. That was a fun time.
Speaker 1: So all right, so M seventeen I will give a
Speaker 1: brief well i'll I'll let Steve or Ed give a
Speaker 1: brief explanation of what M seventeen is, because every time
Speaker 1: I do one of these videos, I go back and
Speaker 1: people are like, well, it would have hoped if you
Speaker 1: would explain what IM said, and like, literally, we've done
Speaker 1: that like a half dozen times, because this is not
Speaker 1: the first time we've talked about N seventeen on the show.
Speaker 1: So I will get them to give you a brief
Speaker 1: explanation of what M seventeen is. I can give you.
Speaker 1: My explanation is it's a brand new digital Kodak using Dan,
Speaker 1: brand new digital voice mode using Kodeak two. I think
Speaker 1: it's Kodak too. I think it's two. But it's an
Speaker 1: open source CODEAC so they're laughing at me right now.
Speaker 1: I can see them in zoom. They're laughing at me.
Speaker 1: That's all right, it's all right, it's right. They're probably
Speaker 1: laughing at my Accent's New York guys laughed at the
Speaker 1: Texas guy accent. And that's okay, that's sorry. But first
Speaker 1: before we do that, I'm going to give the Florida
Speaker 1: ed for a minute. Let me bring them on here
Speaker 1: real quick, and I want to choose which. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: going to go to that one right there. Good evening
Speaker 1: to you both. What's up, guys, Hey, how's it going on?
Speaker 2: Jason?
Speaker 1: Oh? It is it is a you know, the weather
Speaker 1: out here has been freaking extraordinary for the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. It was like in the forties the last
Speaker 1: two or three mornings, and it's been in the like
Speaker 1: mid seventies to low eighties for the last two or
Speaker 1: three weeks, and I'm just loving it. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: wish it would. Our fall lasts about three weeks, so
Speaker 1: I wish it would last the whole three months, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't. But that's where we are today. So what's
Speaker 1: going on with you guys?
Speaker 2: Same old garbage, join the beautiful weather. We're having a
Speaker 2: resurgence of late spring early summer here as well.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it got up to about seventy five today.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, you guys are breaking up the swim trunks.
Speaker 1: I bet.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 1: Yeah good Okay, So, Ed, I know you want to talk.
Speaker 1: Ed is running for division director? Is that correct?
Speaker 2: Hudson Division Director?
Speaker 1: Hudson Division Director.
Speaker 2: I'm the currently appointed Hudson Division Director.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: We're in the middle of an election right now, Okay.
Speaker 2: I wanted to give a shout out to everybody from
Speaker 2: the Hudson Division that's been out there and giving me
Speaker 2: lots of support, lots of help, and also giving me
Speaker 2: a hand helping out the the high school kids' St.
Speaker 2: Aland Technical High School. So a shout out over there
Speaker 2: to Katie two z z t Everton. He's the he's
Speaker 2: their teacher. We've licensed one hundred and ten students wow
Speaker 2: at that school in the last year, and we plan
Speaker 2: on licensing about another one hundred and fifty more, probably
Speaker 2: by January. So Everton is a graduate of the Teachers
Speaker 2: Institute of Wireless Technology from the ABRL, and he's one
Speaker 2: of the two model schools that the ABRL has adopted,
Speaker 2: so myself in Good Game. We go down there quite often.
Speaker 2: We're hanging out with the kids. We're showing them a
Speaker 2: few things, they're teaching us a couple of things, so
Speaker 2: it's a lot of fun. We were down there a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago and they had me in Good Game.
Speaker 2: It happened to be their club day, so they were
Speaker 2: recruiting for their hamm radio club and they had me
Speaker 2: in Good Game at the table talking about ham radios.
Speaker 2: Kind of interesting with the high school kids, but good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Teachers Institute, really really great program. I think there's going
Speaker 2: to be an upcot mean telethon coming up somewhere around Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: Oh good, okay, good.
Speaker 2: So I think Josh is going to be handling that,
Speaker 2: so okay. Well help And just a shout out to
Speaker 2: my Eastern New York, New York City, Long Island sections,
Speaker 2: and a big shout out to northern New Jersey. Thank
Speaker 2: you very much for the overwhelming support you guys have
Speaker 2: been showing me in the last few weeks in regards
Speaker 2: to this election.
Speaker 1: Totally well, good luck to you. How many do you
Speaker 1: have one person running against you or two or how
Speaker 1: many is that working?
Speaker 2: Just one opponent here. Okay, just one opponent in here,
Speaker 2: but one more thing and then I'll turn it back
Speaker 2: over to Steve. I just want to ahead let all
Speaker 2: of our EWRIL members know that you need to demand
Speaker 2: and deserve a director that's going to go out there
Speaker 2: and get their hands dirty. My opponents said recently that
Speaker 2: directors don't get their hands dirty. That's a bunch of
Speaker 2: bull crap.
Speaker 1: I've heard. I've heard section managers and division directors both
Speaker 1: say that once you get elected actually doing ham radio.
Speaker 1: And the guy who the guy who's my section manager,
Speaker 1: absolutely does not do that. He's got a really great
Speaker 1: competition station with two or three flex radios and he
Speaker 1: does a lot of competitions. You see his call signed
Speaker 1: through on hammlert all the time. So yeah, he's like,
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen to me if I get elected,
Speaker 1: And sure enough he's he's he's on the air quite
Speaker 1: a bit. But I've heard that before, so yeah, about
Speaker 1: your hands getting dirty and about not being on the air.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you want someone that does that for sure.
Speaker 1: So well, good luck to you, man. I hope it
Speaker 1: goes well for.
Speaker 2: You, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Yep. All right, so we're gonna talk about what are
Speaker 1: we talking about seventeen? I'm going to talk about this.
Speaker 1: In fact, let me switch over here to this guy
Speaker 1: right here. Okay, yeah, that's right. Okay. So this is
Speaker 1: my Yeah, this is my CS seven seventeen. This top
Speaker 1: channel selector knob doesn't seem to do anything.
Speaker 3: Not yet. Uh it'll it'll adjust the frequency a bit.
Speaker 1: Will it. Okay, See it's not anything on the screen.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe they did, maybe they changed something.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's different. So there's a there's a there's a
Speaker 1: there's two different radios on the Connect System's website, the
Speaker 1: c c CS seven thousand, M seventeen and the C
Speaker 1: seven seventeen plus. And I went and ordered the M
Speaker 1: seventeen plus, which they claim will do M seventeen, DMR
Speaker 1: and analog all at the same time. You just program
Speaker 1: your channels. Didn't go well, Apparently the firmware is not
Speaker 1: ready for that one yet. So I contacted Connect Systems
Speaker 1: and I'm like, send me the one that that actually
Speaker 1: is ready to go for M seventeen, and he traded
Speaker 1: the order. It was no big deal, but just be
Speaker 1: aware of that if you're going to order one of
Speaker 1: these radios. And I put a link in the description blowout.
Speaker 1: I can share it here in a minute. But this
Speaker 1: is correct me if I'm wrong. This is the only
Speaker 1: one that actually has M seventeen in it right now
Speaker 1: from Connect Systems, and yes it is. It is. I
Speaker 1: thought this was going to be like a copy of
Speaker 1: one of their previous radios, or maybe a T what
Speaker 1: look looked like a ty T radio. This is a
Speaker 1: brand new design. I really like the design. It's it's
Speaker 1: very solid feeling. It's got a recessed button over here,
Speaker 1: much like you'd see on like a Motorola type HT.
Speaker 1: It's got the blade connector over here on the side
Speaker 1: for programming, and they sent me it came with a
Speaker 1: programming cable. It's got a really nice looking screen as.
Speaker 2: Well, got some nice way to it. It's very sturdy.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah it is. It's very sturdy. So I'm
Speaker 1: pretty happy with the I haven't heard it yet, I
Speaker 1: haven't actually used it yet. I took it out of
Speaker 1: the box earlier today make sure it was charged up
Speaker 1: and flashed and everything, and Steve said they're coming flashed
Speaker 1: with M seventeen firmware now, so yep, zoom in on
Speaker 1: that a little bit.
Speaker 2: But what is this M seventeen were speaking about?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're okay. Yeah, I was gonna tell I
Speaker 1: was gonna let you guys give us a spiel on
Speaker 1: that real quick. So let's talk about M seventeen real quick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 3: So M seventeen first started out as a project by
Speaker 3: voy check katch Marski SP five WWP in Poland. He
Speaker 3: was experimenting with other digital radio modes DMR tetra, There's
Speaker 3: a couple others that he was messing around with, but
Speaker 3: his radio club that he was part of was really
Speaker 3: you know, interested in working on digital modes, and every
Speaker 3: single one of them that he came across did not
Speaker 3: fit the bill for amateur radio as far as he
Speaker 3: was concerned, and so he decided, well, let's just go
Speaker 3: ahead and make our own, and so M seventeen was born.
Speaker 3: A lot of people always ask, you know what with
Speaker 3: the M seventeen you know name, and it has nothing
Speaker 3: to do with the pistol at all, as much as
Speaker 3: I want it to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do purpose pistol plus radio? There you go. We've
Speaker 1: got an android radio. We need a pistol radio now,
Speaker 1: So yeah, that'd be great. Okay, all right, go ahead.
Speaker 3: But no, it comes from the address of the radio
Speaker 3: club in Poland. I'm not even gonna bother trying to
Speaker 3: pronounce the name of it, but basically it starts with
Speaker 3: the letter M and the actual building number seventeen, so
Speaker 3: it comes out M seventeen. That's what they named it for.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I don't think I ever knew that. Okay, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I.
Speaker 3: Just do a presentation for a local club, so I
Speaker 3: had to put all this information in so it's still
Speaker 3: pretty fresh in my mind. But M seventeen is a
Speaker 3: digital radio mode. It is does digital data and digital voice.
Speaker 3: I mean obviously digital voices, digital data regardless, you know.
Speaker 3: So ever, it's all digital data. Is just that one
Speaker 3: is a stream mode, the other one's a packet mode.
Speaker 3: It uses the codec to voice codec, which is an
Speaker 3: open source voice vocoder from Dave Roe. I forget his
Speaker 3: call sign. I keep forgetting his call sign, but he's
Speaker 3: down in Australia. He did his you know thesis on it,
Speaker 3: and it's actually used widely for free DV. So if
Speaker 3: you've ever used free DV on HF, it's the same
Speaker 3: voice codec. It's just at a higher bit rate for
Speaker 3: vhfing up. When you're talking about M seventeen. M seventeen
Speaker 3: does digital voice, of course, but it's also digital data.
Speaker 3: We're starting to really dig into the digital data side
Speaker 3: of it. So all the packet radio stuff, SMS, messaging,
Speaker 3: basically anything that you can think of that would need
Speaker 3: some sort of digital mode is possible through M seventeen.
Speaker 3: And one of the things I like to point out
Speaker 3: is you can use M seventeen on some TNCs that
Speaker 3: are currently available, such as the Mobile Linked TNC. The
Speaker 3: TNC three has it, the TNC four has it as
Speaker 3: a mode that you can use. You just need a
Speaker 3: ninety six hundred BOD capable radio for that TNC to
Speaker 3: work with the M seventeen digital mode. And basically any
Speaker 3: kiss mode application that you can think of will be
Speaker 3: able to use M seventeen as it's RF protocol. So
Speaker 3: things like Windlink has a pack at TNC mode, so
Speaker 3: you could use M seventeen instead of having to you know,
Speaker 3: pay for a viral license or you know, get a
Speaker 3: packtor modem, you could use M seventeen instead. I mean, granted,
Speaker 3: is VHF and up, but still, you know, it's it's
Speaker 3: a decent fast mode for a packet radio. But it's
Speaker 3: been in development since twenty nineteen and here we are
Speaker 3: now twenty twenty four. We actually have HTS with the
Speaker 3: seventeen protocol now being built into it. So I've come
Speaker 3: quite a long ways in the past five years.
Speaker 1: Totally good, Okay, So I actually got that. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: last time I had you guys on the streamy all
Speaker 1: were talking about that seventeen module from I think it's
Speaker 1: Lilygo that goes on the back of the the FtM
Speaker 1: six thousand, YESU radio, and I got that, and then
Speaker 1: I never got you guys back on the stream. I
Speaker 1: never did anything with it. So I've still got that somewhere.
Speaker 1: We needed to do that. One of these days. You
Speaker 1: need to te him up with t o uh okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. He has done that. That's right. That's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe I will do that. Okay, good deal. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you, Steve. That's that's that's good information. So yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: let's see. Let me make sure that that is make
Speaker 1: sure that's that's yeah, that's better.
Speaker 2: It's a VK five DGR.
Speaker 1: Oh that's dav roh Yeah, okay, d DGR yep. Okay, okay, cool, great, okay,
Speaker 1: So this guy right here, let me make sure. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get my Oh there we go. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's better, trying to get my Make sure it's that
Speaker 1: you guys aren't washed out on the background. Uh So
Speaker 1: this guy right here, we can we can switch back
Speaker 1: over here.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: This this is my Bridgecom Skybridge plus hot spot. And
Speaker 1: I had ed Steve and Chip on a while back
Speaker 1: and we discussed the WPSD operating System slash application whichever
Speaker 1: one it is for for hotspots. That's kind of like
Speaker 1: an upgrade to pie Star and it comes with seventeen
Speaker 1: built in. In fact, let me let me switch over
Speaker 1: to this right here, and this is my dashboard for
Speaker 1: the hot spot that's running right now. And you see
Speaker 1: we've got it set up from DMR. This is just
Speaker 1: the last thing I used it on. It's on four
Speaker 1: to thirty three four fifty, but it's got M seventeen
Speaker 1: over on the side over here, an M seventeen net
Speaker 1: on the network status on the mode status. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna switch that here in just a minute. But Steve,
Speaker 1: i'd like you to take us through what to do.
Speaker 1: This is a fresh out of the box radio and
Speaker 1: it's already flashed for M seventeen. You can see right
Speaker 1: hopefully that focuses there we go M seventeen pound sign
Speaker 1: all or hashtag all, whatever you want to say with that,
Speaker 1: and do you have to I guess my my my
Speaker 1: main question when I first pulled it out is they
Speaker 1: have they have a CPS on the Connect System's website
Speaker 1: that says it's for DMR because you can flash this
Speaker 1: with a DMR firmware and it'll do DMR and analog,
Speaker 1: or you can flash it with an M seventeen firmware,
Speaker 1: and I guess it just does the digital, it doesn't
Speaker 1: do analog. Is that correct?
Speaker 3: Or so I'll be honest with you, I have not
Speaker 3: messed with anything regarding DMR on this radio. The if
Speaker 3: you if your program channels on through the CPS on
Speaker 3: that radio, it's only going to work for DMR. It's
Speaker 3: not going to show up in them seventeen side. So
Speaker 3: right now it's just manual VFO programming.
Speaker 1: But will it do analog? And so you're if you're on,
Speaker 1: if you have it flashed with them seventeen firmware, will
Speaker 1: it also do analog?
Speaker 3: Yes? Oh, it will okay, yes, yes, I think I
Speaker 3: don't want to speak out of turn here, but I
Speaker 3: think the CTCSS is also working on that, so you
Speaker 3: should be able to at least activate a repeater using
Speaker 3: the radio in analog as well.
Speaker 1: So okay, okay, that's good. That's good, because that it
Speaker 1: was it was a little bit I don't want to
Speaker 1: call it misleading, but it was a little bit ambiguous
Speaker 1: on the Connect System's website because it sounded like you
Speaker 1: flashed it with DMR and you get analog. You flash
Speaker 1: it with them seventeen and you get seventeen.
Speaker 3: So if you actually hold the side top button.
Speaker 1: Side top button, this one above the PTT, yeah.
Speaker 3: So there and hold it, I'll lock the macro menu
Speaker 3: open and if you push the number five, it will
Speaker 3: switch you into analog.
Speaker 1: Ah, there it is. Yeah, and there's a CTCSS the
Speaker 1: top one. Yep, okay, excellent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then just pressing five again, we'll put you
Speaker 3: back in them seventeen. And to close the menu can
Speaker 3: either well I think you have to push the button again,
Speaker 3: the top button.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, we're back to the VFO screen there, okay, good, excellent, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, So, uh so, let's set up seventeen. Well,
Speaker 1: let's set it up on the hot spot first so
Speaker 1: that we can see this right here.
Speaker 2: M H.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna go in. I got a lot. I
Speaker 1: don't think I've even logged into this yet, so let
Speaker 1: me see pie store. This is a very secure pie
Speaker 1: store in Raspberry is the password.
Speaker 3: Don't give out your password.
Speaker 1: I gave out chips password. Actually, So we're gonna go
Speaker 1: over here to I think it's uh whereas oh configuration,
Speaker 1: that's it. Yep, all right, So we're gonna go on here,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to turn DMR off and turn M
Speaker 1: seventeen on, and then I'm going to apply changes. Now,
Speaker 1: explain real quick one of you, if y'all don't mind
Speaker 1: M seventeen use it. What do you call the talk groups, reflectors,
Speaker 1: talk groups, yaser system, frusion rooms? What does M seventeen
Speaker 1: cause call their their rooms or whatever.
Speaker 3: So, if you're familiar with d star and reflectors, and
Speaker 3: you know you get different modules on reflectors, M seventeen
Speaker 3: is modeled after that same system it uses. So the
Speaker 3: M seventeen reflector system is a subset of XLX, which
Speaker 3: is again a subset of D STAR reflector systems. M
Speaker 3: seventeen reflectors have twenty six modules. We call them modules,
Speaker 3: so it goes through A through Z. So each M
Speaker 3: seventeen reflector can have twenty six different concurrent channels and
Speaker 3: they don't talk to each other, but you can have
Speaker 3: different channels set for different things on a single reflector.
Speaker 1: So like a d star has like two Alpha two,
Speaker 1: Bravo two, Charlie two Delta and all that. That's what
Speaker 1: you're talking about with modules.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. So in M seventeen it will be M
Speaker 3: seventeen DASH reflector designator and then module letter. So for example,
Speaker 3: the one that we use here for M seventeen is
Speaker 3: obviously M seventeen DASH M seventeen, and then the popular
Speaker 3: module that we use is Charlie.
Speaker 1: M seventeen and seventeen Charlie. Okay, yep.
Speaker 3: And as a matter of fact, in WPSD, that is
Speaker 3: the default reflector that you are connected to. Okay, as
Speaker 3: soon as you connect up.
Speaker 1: Yeap, gotcha? Okay, Yeah, so that's what we're seting. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing right here on the screen is yeah,
Speaker 1: it came up. All I did was turn M seventeen on,
Speaker 1: and if you guys looked. When I went back to
Speaker 1: the dashboard, they were red. It took I don't know,
Speaker 1: five or ten seconds and both of them connected. So
Speaker 1: now they're both the network status and the module status
Speaker 1: are both green. And yeah, we've got M seventeen and
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of them in.
Speaker 3: Here, and eight as of the last count that we have.
Speaker 1: Okay, and then with all of those you can go
Speaker 1: a through Z. I guess you said twenty six, right,
Speaker 1: that makes sense? Okay, Okay, Well that's quite a bit
Speaker 1: of rooms and reflectors or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1: So okay. The call sign suffix is just like if
Speaker 1: I have multiple hot spots connected exactly, okay, okay, makes sense,
Speaker 1: station I.
Speaker 3: D think of that as an SSID. It's just an
Speaker 3: additional identifier for your call sign.
Speaker 1: Okay. And then seventeen can C a N YEP.
Speaker 3: That's a channel access number. You can think of it
Speaker 3: like a CTCSS okay for repeaters.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, Okay, So we don't need that for a hotspot necessarily.
Speaker 3: If you had multiple hot spots using similar frequencies in
Speaker 3: an area, then yes, you would change the CAN for
Speaker 3: you know, you would have this this hot spot on
Speaker 3: can zero this spot hot spot on can one. You
Speaker 3: can have them set to different reflectors and everything.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, good, okay, So I'm okay, so I didn't
Speaker 1: change anything there. I'm gonna go back to the dashboard. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, so pair of the dashboard, it shows
Speaker 1: me four three three dot four five is the is
Speaker 1: my frequency. I'm in simplex mode, so it's uh, there's
Speaker 1: no offset. Uh let's see all that's that gives me
Speaker 1: skybridge firmer. Okay, So that's what we're gonna do there.
Speaker 1: And now I'm gonna go back over here, and I've
Speaker 1: got it on speaker presentation on zoom, so ed when
Speaker 1: you start talking, it'll switch back to you.
Speaker 2: Just f y.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't hide you on purpose. David wants
Speaker 1: to know what whiskey I'm drinking. This is just t
Speaker 1: X bourbon. See there you go, big fancy ice cube
Speaker 1: in the middle there.
Speaker 2: So t X stands for Texas, Steve, That's that's where
Speaker 2: it's made, Texas.
Speaker 3: Where is Texas.
Speaker 1: It's a place where we know how to pronounce the
Speaker 1: word car correctly.
Speaker 2: Of a coffee off.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, cool, fee.
Speaker 3: I keep telling the story about how I had to
Speaker 3: drive from East Texas all the way over to El Pasa.
Speaker 3: So I went from Louisiana all the way to l Passo.
Speaker 3: It took two and a half days. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bob used to get Bob used to
Speaker 1: get our funder. Bob used to give DMR presentations or
Speaker 1: help me with my DMR presentations, and I would I
Speaker 1: would talk to him about how the way he pronounces
Speaker 1: talk group, Like, what the hell is a talk group?
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, it's about uh, it's probably about
Speaker 1: uh louis you said street, So that's Streeport from s
Speaker 1: Freeport's El Paso is probably fifteen sixteen hours with no stops.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had my mother with me, so
Speaker 3: I had to stop every eight hours and yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, all right for eight hours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we traded off. I'd drive four and she'd drive four.
Speaker 1: Oh well, okay, well that's better than driving the whole
Speaker 1: way yourself, I guess. But yeah, okay, all right, So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go up here and I'm gonna put this
Speaker 1: four four three four fifty No, it's four three three.
Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, okay, So four three three four five
Speaker 3: zero h and for some reason, you know, it asks
Speaker 3: for you know, resolution to the to the fourth digit
Speaker 3: after the decimal.
Speaker 1: So right, yeah, I noticed that.
Speaker 3: The quick way to get around it is that if
Speaker 3: there's a zero in that spot, you can just hit
Speaker 3: okay and it'll switch to the next KA field okay,
Speaker 3: and then you can just hit okay again if it's simplex.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, yeah, because it asks you to sit the
Speaker 1: trans which is easy if you're gonna if you're gonna
Speaker 1: eventually use an M seventeen repeater, that'd be an easy
Speaker 1: way to do it. Just set the transmit as a
Speaker 1: plus or minus five offset for UHF good. Right, okay,
Speaker 1: so we're on four three three four fifty now okay,
Speaker 1: so what okay, So I want to and somebody k
Speaker 1: C eight pff just keyed up, Chris, And I'm looking
Speaker 1: at that on my dashboard here to the M to
Speaker 1: my hot spot. Okay, oh yeah, he just keyed up,
Speaker 1: and so I would hopefully but hear them here in
Speaker 1: a minute. But what do I need to do? What's
Speaker 1: the next step on the radio?
Speaker 3: Do you have your call sign programmed into it?
Speaker 1: I did do that, actually, yes, I was just kind
Speaker 1: of poking around through the menu and like, oh it
Speaker 1: says call sign and it was set to like I
Speaker 1: don't know zero's or something, but yes, I did do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Yeah, that's the most important part is that
Speaker 3: you got to put your call sign in just like
Speaker 3: any other digital mode. The only one that's an exception
Speaker 3: is DMR you use a radio ID. But right, that's
Speaker 3: one of the features that I'm seventeen is that you
Speaker 3: don't need to sign up for an ID or anything
Speaker 3: like that. Your call sign is your identifier and there's
Speaker 3: no currently there is no system to deny access for anybody,
Speaker 3: so it's a it's an open system. So as long
Speaker 3: as you have a valid call sign here, it will
Speaker 3: pass through a reflector without any issue.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so okay, so here's I couldn't remember how
Speaker 1: I get there, but here we do. So if we
Speaker 1: had hit the OK button on this radio and I
Speaker 1: can hear people chunk in the system, yep. We go
Speaker 1: down to settings and we go to seventeen and the
Speaker 1: three options are call sign, can and can RX check.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Can our X check is a promiscuous mood. So
Speaker 3: if you don't know the can that a repeater or
Speaker 3: another radio is using. You turn that on and it
Speaker 3: will tell you which channel access number is in use.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's good. This is more like a If the
Speaker 1: CAN is just like a CTSSAS scanner, then pretty much.
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, all right, good, okay. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: I have my call sign in and people are people
Speaker 1: are ker chunking the system. I assume that they're gonna
Speaker 1: wait for me to I assume these are people that
Speaker 1: are watching this live.
Speaker 3: I'd assume. So, I don't know. The reflectors had some
Speaker 3: some pretty good activity over the past couple of days
Speaker 3: because of Pacific on.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, did you guys do a presentation there or something?
Speaker 3: I unfortunately was unable to make it out there this year,
Speaker 3: but Jonathan G four kl X he was out there
Speaker 3: with Jim from some radio Zoom Radio.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Jonathan Taylor, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: good deal, good, okay, cool. So what's next?
Speaker 3: Push your PTT and talk.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I don't have to do anything on the
Speaker 1: radio except program to figure it out.
Speaker 3: I would be a little bit further away from the
Speaker 3: hotspot so than not overloading the front end.
Speaker 1: But well, yeah, and I can do that. My point
Speaker 1: is that that programming was awfully fast.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean it's as simple as possible that
Speaker 3: you can make it, aside from setting channels that you know,
Speaker 3: that's the only limitation that we currently have is that
Speaker 3: we can't create channels on the radio just yet. But
Speaker 3: you know, as long as you know the frequency that
Speaker 3: you're repeater or hotspot or on, it's just a matter
Speaker 3: of putting in your call signs set in the can
Speaker 3: and putting the frequency in.
Speaker 1: So we can't save this. So this is a VFO
Speaker 1: right here that I can change by just pushing up
Speaker 1: and down on the button. But I can't save this
Speaker 1: as a channel in the radio, not yet.
Speaker 3: Okay, at least I haven't been able to figure it out.
Speaker 1: Rus. I'm sorry I say that again.
Speaker 2: I said. The firmware is a work in progress, right
Speaker 2: right open open RTX is working on the firmware and
Speaker 2: they're opciating it as quick quick as they can.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, well, no problem, Hey, it's working. That's you know.
Speaker 1: The last time I was I had you guys on
Speaker 1: the show. We were talking about who was going to
Speaker 1: be the first uh ht, and y'all talked about that
Speaker 1: icon that you can buy and sort of hack up
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: And then there was a guy that was taking the
Speaker 1: some of the T Y T radios and he was
Speaker 1: making physical hardware changes to it, and I tried to
Speaker 1: buy one of those, and I think he got overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: He ended up refunding my money. He's like, I can't
Speaker 1: keep up with the man. So oh yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 1: but this, so this is the actual first RF producing
Speaker 1: radio that I've had that'll do M seventeen.
Speaker 3: Yes, the first first Yeah, I guess you could say official,
Speaker 3: the first official commercial off the shelf radio that you
Speaker 3: can buy with them seventeen. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, now if I wanted to do well, is there
Speaker 1: let me put me, let me word it this way.
Speaker 1: Is there an official simplex UH what'd you call? Module?
Speaker 1: And you know, if if you and I were at
Speaker 1: a Hamfest together and we we didn't we didn't have
Speaker 1: a hot spot or didn't want to use it, is
Speaker 1: there an official simplex frequency or module that we would
Speaker 1: that we would talk.
Speaker 3: On for Region two that it's the same digital UH
Speaker 3: frequency that is you know, in use for d M
Speaker 3: R D STAR. Basically any simplex digital voice mode Region
Speaker 3: one does have a specific UH frequency. I don't know
Speaker 3: what it is off the top of my head. I
Speaker 3: think it's somewhere on the four thirty three range. But
Speaker 3: here in the States it's the same you know, digital
Speaker 3: frequency that everybody else uses for simplex.
Speaker 1: But what module would we use? Because if I'm on
Speaker 1: one module you're on the other, we will be able
Speaker 1: to talk, right.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, you can go direct to another HD
Speaker 3: without needing the Internet or anything like that.
Speaker 1: No, I understand that. So but okay, so okay, let
Speaker 1: mean I'm I'm talking to you with DMR knowledge here. Okay,
Speaker 1: So if you set set up a DMR radio on
Speaker 1: a specific timeslot and talk group on simplex like Taley
Speaker 1: nine is the simplex Talk Group nine is usually local repeater.
Speaker 1: So but if I'm on Talk Group ninety nine and
Speaker 1: you're on talk Group three one four eight, even though
Speaker 1: we're on a simplex frequency with no offset, we wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to hear each other.
Speaker 3: So so turn the screen back on on your radio.
Speaker 1: Okay, sure, okay, you see how.
Speaker 3: It says I hate using the term hashtag, but it
Speaker 3: says hashtag all right, yes, correct? That is that is
Speaker 3: your broadcast. And I say that with air quotes broadcast destination.
Speaker 3: So what you're what you're seeing on the radio right
Speaker 3: now is M seventeen is the mode and then hashtag
Speaker 3: all is the destination.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So what you're doing is you're you're transmitting your call
Speaker 3: to any radio that is willing to receive it. So
Speaker 3: there is no there's no real idea of talk group
Speaker 3: or module or anything. When you're doing simplex. It's basically
Speaker 3: you either have the ALL destination or a specific call
Speaker 3: sign or a specific target such as a reflector.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if I was to go, so I can
Speaker 1: do direct to your call sign if you and I
Speaker 1: were standing near one another.
Speaker 3: Hypothetically, Yes, I have not tested this because I only
Speaker 3: have one of these radios.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, all right, So we would just need
Speaker 1: to figure out in the software how to change that
Speaker 1: all to something else.
Speaker 3: So if you actually push the pound button or the
Speaker 3: yeah pound button, that's how it can change your destination.
Speaker 3: And it's T nine text input, just like an old
Speaker 3: cell phone. So you could put in I see you
Speaker 3: know z XQ and then you just press the OK
Speaker 3: button and that locks it in and to reset it,
Speaker 3: you just push the pound key twice.
Speaker 1: Ah, Okay, So if I just want it, so, I
Speaker 1: could I put M seventeen in there, so I'm just
Speaker 1: transmitting on the M seventeen module and it would still
Speaker 1: work in a hot spot.
Speaker 3: So your hot spot will take the all and send
Speaker 3: it through to the reflector by being connected to a reflector,
Speaker 3: so you don't have to do anything on the radiant.
Speaker 1: Thing, right, Okay, okay, okay, okay, all right, we'll get
Speaker 1: to so. Okay, So in theory, I could either call
Speaker 1: your call sign if we're close enough together, or we
Speaker 1: could just choose a reflector to meet on and we
Speaker 1: could do pound one two three, and as long as
Speaker 1: we're both on pound one two three, we could hear
Speaker 1: each other. If I'm understanding you correctly, that's that's what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: So the destination would have to be an actual valid target,
Speaker 3: meaning that it would have to be a valid call
Speaker 3: sign or valid reflector that you want to talk to
Speaker 3: through your hot spot. If you're going simplex, then you
Speaker 3: would want to put in somebody's call sign or you know,
Speaker 3: you would put in someone's call sign or a reflector
Speaker 3: that you want to talk to. So if you actually
Speaker 3: since you're connected to M seventeen dash M seventeen Charlie.
Speaker 3: You could type in M seventeen dash one two three
Speaker 3: space A and then your reflector, I mean, your hotspot
Speaker 3: would automatically switch over to that reflector and then you
Speaker 3: would just you know, either remain on that or push
Speaker 3: the pound sign twice get back to all and then
Speaker 3: you're be talking on that new reflector. But if you're
Speaker 3: if you're going simplex, you would need to have a
Speaker 3: valid target to talk to, so it would have to
Speaker 3: be somebody else's call sign or radio setup with a
Speaker 3: different target altogether, So it would have to be you know,
Speaker 3: you would have to know that that person's call sign
Speaker 3: in advance.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, all right, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, okay, okay, good. It was so in
Speaker 1: five RFX just keyed up and I was hearing him.
Speaker 1: So let me, I'm gonna throw my callsign out here
Speaker 1: and see what happened. So maybe that a little bit away.
Speaker 3: Hopefully my repeater is working.
Speaker 1: Uh k C five HWB Great Bound Texas testing one
Speaker 1: two three four five.
Speaker 3: I think we heard you through Ed's all Star.
Speaker 4: This is Mark in five RFX.
Speaker 1: Okay, that was Mark in five r and that's really
Speaker 1: clean audio. That's really clean audio. Let me switch over
Speaker 1: to this real quick. Okay, Mark, good evening in five
Speaker 1: rfs from k C five hw B sounding good out here?
Speaker 4: Man, good. Yeah, I've been on seventeen the Hour for
Speaker 4: about for a while now, and.
Speaker 5: So I am interested in getting my my Connect Systems Radio.
Speaker 5: I've been waiting a very long time for.
Speaker 1: Okay, he's in Flower Mountain's like two towns away from me.
Speaker 4: Connect Systems Radio. I pre ordered mine a long time ago,
Speaker 4: so I am really interested in getting it. I'm anxious.
Speaker 5: So hopefully i'll get it next month, well hope.
Speaker 1: So I just, uh, I just got an email. I've
Speaker 1: been on Jerry's uh email list for a long long time,
Speaker 1: and I just got an email from him like two
Speaker 1: weeks ago something like that, and I just ordered one.
Speaker 1: So I just I don't know. I don't know how
Speaker 1: he's shipping out orders in order or not. I don't
Speaker 1: say anything. I mean, he didn't know. I didn't ask
Speaker 1: him for one. I was just like, hey, I'm just
Speaker 1: going to order one, and I just ordered it. I
Speaker 1: don't even know if he realized it was going on
Speaker 1: the air. Or not.
Speaker 3: But he had a handful of them up at Pacific
Speaker 3: on too, so did he.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, all right, so maybe plus version?
Speaker 1: Oh oh they ordered the plus version. Okay, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I was. I was told that that one would take longer. Okay, Mark,
Speaker 1: good deal, that thanks man, I appreciate it. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is the non plus version that I got. I wanted
Speaker 1: the plus version, but since it wasn't ready yet, I
Speaker 1: switched it. So good to hear you, man, The audio
Speaker 1: on this sounds terrific. That's yeah, that's the difference is
Speaker 1: the plus version. I'll probably grab one of those when
Speaker 1: they're ready as well, because it'll do everything so well
Speaker 1: that I mean, that's that's awfully simple to set up
Speaker 1: and go.
Speaker 3: I mean it almost seems dangerously simple.
Speaker 1: Yes, it really does. It really does. So you've got, uh,
Speaker 1: you've got twenty six different modules inside of how many
Speaker 1: different reflectors did you say there were?
Speaker 3: There is two hundred and eight. I'll send you a
Speaker 3: link for the hold on my droid star is acting up?
Speaker 1: Oh that's fine.
Speaker 3: I'll send you a link here for the the reflector
Speaker 3: page and you can look up all the reflectors that
Speaker 3: are available.
Speaker 2: Okay, Uh, Steve does a does a question in the chat?
Speaker 2: Did you create an ad hoc private simplex group for
Speaker 2: an event.
Speaker 3: In the sense that it would be as private as
Speaker 3: an analog channel in use? Yes, you know, just pick
Speaker 3: a frequency and go direct, you know, uh, using M
Speaker 3: seventeen rather than anything else. There's there's no I mean,
Speaker 3: you could, you could switch the channel access number, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of give yourself the CTCSS like functionality. But as
Speaker 3: far as having something private, obviously that's outside the scope
Speaker 3: of amateur radio, you know, it would it would have
Speaker 3: to be a channel in use, you know, specific for
Speaker 3: whatever event that you're doing. But yeah, I mean you
Speaker 3: could to make it a whole lot simpler. You could
Speaker 3: put a reflector on a Raspberry Pie and connect that
Speaker 3: up with a radio or you're connected up with I'm
Speaker 3: sorry not a radio connect HOWK spots into it, or
Speaker 3: you know, something like that, and just basically have your
Speaker 3: own reflector. But again, as if you're using RF, it's
Speaker 3: not going to be private unless you set something like
Speaker 3: the channel access number. But even then it's you know,
Speaker 3: no more private than an analog channel with CTCSS, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've often told people they should get on two
Speaker 1: twenty or six meter FM simplex add to him Fest
Speaker 1: because nobody else is there. I mean you could almost
Speaker 1: you could almost have a private channel that way. You know,
Speaker 1: it's totally open, but you know anybody can do it,
Speaker 1: but nobody uses it. So yeah, in that regard, I
Speaker 1: can see what you're saying. Okay, good, Yeah, I forgot
Speaker 1: to say in the beginning, we don't have Frank tonight.
Speaker 1: He's at a family event. So thank you for watching
Speaker 1: the chat. Ed appreciate that. So if you guys have
Speaker 1: any question, Okay, was that Allen's Frank? Yeah, it is
Speaker 1: the new Frank. Yeah, I guess yeah, well.
Speaker 2: That question was from gray Man Poda, but.
Speaker 1: Uh oh okay, that was Tim.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So Alan has a question in regards to
Speaker 2: the module one one point. Oh yeah, I have been.
Speaker 2: I've been very substitute. List of parts. I guess JLCPCB
Speaker 2: has a shortage of some of the parts, so.
Speaker 3: The best option is to wait for those parts to
Speaker 3: come in or order the parts from somewhere else and
Speaker 3: jail source the parts from somewhere else such as Mauser
Speaker 3: or Digitkei or something like that, and JLCPCB will take
Speaker 3: those parts or they can order them on your behalf.
Speaker 3: I don't suggest replacing parts with equivalents unless you understand
Speaker 3: that this is an RF device and there's a bunch
Speaker 3: of timing that has to be considered, such as, you know,
Speaker 3: the crystals, the actual stability of the crystals, the tolerances
Speaker 3: on all the parts, et cetera. Were picked specifically for
Speaker 3: this module. So swapping out the parts, sure, you can
Speaker 3: do it if you can find a an equivalent with
Speaker 3: the same tolerance and and rating, but I would wait. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: a lot of the issues that we've run into are
Speaker 3: for op amps and digital potentiometers, so the one point
Speaker 3: zero module has an option for both. You can either
Speaker 3: use a multi turn potentiometer or digital potentiometer, one or
Speaker 3: the other. So if you can't find the digital ones,
Speaker 3: use the analog ones. If you can't find the analog ones,
Speaker 3: use the digital ones. I have to say that I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: I don't have an alternative to talk about, because again,
Speaker 3: the parts were picked and engineered for specifically their use,
Speaker 3: So swapping them out, you do it your own risk.
Speaker 3: Source them elsewhere. It might be a little bit more expensive.
Speaker 3: Hopefully another manufacturer will take on the new one point
Speaker 3: zero version. For us such as Lilygo when they did
Speaker 3: it with the zero point one module. But I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't have any information on whether or not they're
Speaker 3: going to So you know, I mean take it all
Speaker 3: with a grain of salt, you do you? I mean,
Speaker 3: it is an open source project. If you do find
Speaker 3: an alternative, you can go ahead and pull it. Put
Speaker 3: a pull request in for the for the repository, and
Speaker 3: we can add it in as an alternative if it works.
Speaker 1: Good, Okay, good info. Uh ed A C three A
Speaker 1: A C three, I K very very loyal follower, and
Speaker 1: UH attends every live stream that I do. Why is
Speaker 1: there a D after some of the call signs? He's
Speaker 1: just curious.
Speaker 3: So D stands for Originally it originally stood for dongle
Speaker 3: back when d star was starting to get those dongles,
Speaker 3: since it was Alpha Bravo Charlie for you know, the
Speaker 3: different types of frequency that you could get onto a
Speaker 3: p her and and link up with. Uh D was
Speaker 3: kind of used as a dongle user. So when you
Speaker 3: had like, uh, the DV dongle or those those old
Speaker 3: geez what the d V, I forget the name of it,
Speaker 3: but the little red and blue DV dongle things that
Speaker 3: you could plug into a computer. It had no Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 1: Like Northwest Digital had one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So D kind of stood for dongle to
Speaker 3: let you know that it was a dongle user. It
Speaker 3: could also mean D for droid Star if somebody's using
Speaker 3: droid star. Okay, but the suffix after the call sign,
Speaker 3: it's it's a purely vanity thing. Yeah, it actually has
Speaker 3: one in his hand right there, Yeah, the old d
Speaker 3: star Yeah, dongle, Yeah, access point, DVAPP, DVAP.
Speaker 1: Yes, DVAP yeah, put that up there in front of
Speaker 1: the camera again, Ed, Yeah, there we go. Okay cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so back then it used to mean dongle for
Speaker 3: dongle user. It has a more color for term internally
Speaker 3: to the to the project, but it's not appropriate. But
Speaker 3: needless to say, it's probably somebody not using r F.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, somebody coming in through. Uh well, like Ed
Speaker 1: did that? Uh where was that? Tapper or Ham said
Speaker 1: that you guys were at a couple years ago where
Speaker 1: he was running the net through a through a computer
Speaker 1: system through through that.
Speaker 2: Uh although the Raspberry Pie four.
Speaker 1: Right, the Pie four hundred. Yeah, yeah, because you didn't
Speaker 1: have r F at the time, so because it wouldn't available. Cool, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. M voice, M voice, that was it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the voice yeah on on Rasby and or Linux whenever
Speaker 1: it was Okay, good, okay, uh let's see I well
Speaker 1: w X five o U says we have an M
Speaker 1: seventeen repeater right across the street from the Green County
Speaker 1: ham Fest building. Which that's that might be fun. Greek
Speaker 1: County Hamfest is the large hamfest in the state of Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: It happens in a little town called Claremore outside of Tulsa,
Speaker 1: and I believe it's in April. I've been to it
Speaker 1: a couple times. This is a good show. I didn't
Speaker 1: make it this year, but prep Pam, Paul, thank you
Speaker 1: for the gift of membership.
Speaker 2: So Jason, our friends down at Plahoma. There they run
Speaker 2: a M seventeen net every Saturday afternoon. I think one pm.
Speaker 1: Your time, different than your net.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have a Saturkay, okay, okay, lots of M
Speaker 2: seventeen usage there in Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Good. I wasn't aware there were any actual repeaters up yet,
Speaker 1: but apparently that's well. I mean, it makes sense now
Speaker 1: that ws WPSD supports it so easily. That makes sense
Speaker 1: that people are putting repeaters up. I guess I didn't
Speaker 1: really think about that, but that's a good point.
Speaker 3: If you check repeater book, I think there's forty two
Speaker 3: current M seventeen repeaters listed. Okay, most of them are
Speaker 3: in Europe. There's a handful in the US.
Speaker 1: I am. I am in the process. And when I
Speaker 1: say I'm in the process, what I actually mean is
Speaker 1: it's in the back of my mind. So I haven't
Speaker 1: actually started anything yet of building a mobile ham shack.
Speaker 1: And when I when I do this, I was going
Speaker 1: through kind of a list of what I'm going to
Speaker 1: put in when I got the idea from Bill k
Speaker 1: Zero WHW. He's a hand radio tectonics And I have
Speaker 1: this bridge coom repeater that has a pie star on
Speaker 1: the back of it. And my my HB link server
Speaker 1: failed on me, like I don't know, a couple three
Speaker 1: months ago something like that. That's just the the software
Speaker 1: just kind of food barred in which it you know, okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: it just I needed to update it probably, but rather
Speaker 1: than messing with that, because I didn't really get on
Speaker 1: that much anymore anyway, to connect it to h I
Speaker 1: was coul connected to DMR. I was thinking about making
Speaker 1: an all Star repeater out of it, which I probably
Speaker 1: will do. Actually, I'm going to put this in my
Speaker 1: mobile hamshack. I got a hundred a hundred amp repeater
Speaker 1: amplifier to it. Don't tell anybody, but uh yeah, so,
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm probably so, I'm probably gonna run a
Speaker 1: mobile All Star repeater, but I could it could totally
Speaker 1: be dual purpose and dual use and run M seventeen
Speaker 1: as well, So it would be it would be fun
Speaker 1: to do that. I think it'd be really fun to
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: So they steeve. The new Hampshire repeater is bridge Comm right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the one that I have here at the lab
Speaker 3: is a bridge Comm. It was a DMR repeater. It's
Speaker 3: now a multi mode repeater because if you buy a
Speaker 3: bridge COMMB digital DMR repeater, it is WPSD that's installed
Speaker 3: on it, right, so you can run any digital mode
Speaker 3: on it. Correct, It's just out of the box that's
Speaker 3: set up for DMR.
Speaker 1: It's actually an analog repeater with a with a yeah
Speaker 1: what used to be pie Star, but WPSD attached to that.
Speaker 1: It's got A. It's got a very easy port interface
Speaker 1: in the back, so it's easy to set up all
Speaker 1: Star analog on that repeater as well. Those repeaters are
Speaker 1: very versatile. Yeah, so I wish mine was two twenty.
Speaker 1: Mine's four forty. I would like to I would like
Speaker 1: to have a two twenty repeater instead, But I really
Speaker 1: it's a great repeater. I've had really good luck with mine.
Speaker 1: I just run mine at low power and it works great.
Speaker 1: So yeah, good, okay, okay, so that might be a
Speaker 1: thing coming up. All right, So Alan asked a question
Speaker 1: in the parts in parts list, can switches be individually
Speaker 1: placed on file when removing? For HMI, then cannot select
Speaker 1: to have JLCPCB solder on, I don't understand what he's asking,
Speaker 1: but maybe you do.
Speaker 3: I think he's asking if we can omit the switches
Speaker 3: if you're using the HMI board. So there's two boards
Speaker 3: on the Module seventeen version one point oh, it's classically
Speaker 3: still the same that you would have for the version
Speaker 3: zero point one. It still has the switches and a
Speaker 3: place for the screen and everything like that. But when
Speaker 3: you have the Module one point oh, you can also
Speaker 3: put another board on top of the board that exists
Speaker 3: for the r F side, well, I say the R
Speaker 3: side the BASEBAN side. It's basically just got a slightly
Speaker 3: larger screen and a capacitive touchpad instead of the switches,
Speaker 3: so you have the option of running it either with
Speaker 3: or without the HMI board, and if you order the board.
Speaker 3: I think by default the switches do come installed and
Speaker 3: soldered on, but if you tell JLCPCB to admit them,
Speaker 3: they should be able to. There is no real reason
Speaker 3: to have those switches on there if you're going to
Speaker 3: use the HMI board, But if you're not, then obviously
Speaker 3: having the switches on would would help out, you know,
Speaker 3: because you would need some sort of input interface. Anyway.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you can tell JLCPCB to directly
Speaker 3: take them off the bomb or if they come back
Speaker 3: at you when you tell them to omit them, then
Speaker 3: just tell them. Look, I don't need those switches. I
Speaker 3: can saw them on myself if I have them. They're
Speaker 3: just tactile button switches, They're nothing special. Those parts could
Speaker 3: probably be swapped out if you need to. If you
Speaker 3: don't need them, then I think they can be omitted.
Speaker 3: I just haven't done that personally through JLCPCB. I just
Speaker 3: had them ordered and made as they were out of
Speaker 3: the out of the bomb bomb as in bill of materials, not.
Speaker 1: Like it's the bomb. Uh okay, okay, WX five ou Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: M seventeen net is on Saturdays twelve noon, which that's
Speaker 1: going to be Central time, so UTC minus five currently
Speaker 1: until the time changes again on M seventeen dash oko alpha.
Speaker 3: Yes. So I've been on it a couple of times. Okay,
Speaker 3: great set of people out there.
Speaker 1: I will I will put that on my Google calendar
Speaker 1: so I'll remember it and that'll be a fun thing
Speaker 1: to check into now that I can. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: good deal. Okay. I mean, I you know, I I've
Speaker 1: used invoice a couple of times. But I just like
Speaker 1: this is ham Radio. I like the idea of having
Speaker 1: an RF access to something because I love I love
Speaker 1: it when I it's a love hate thing. I love
Speaker 1: it when I get the comments on any of my
Speaker 1: videos that talk about how DMR is not real because
Speaker 1: it requires Internet. No it doesn't, uh yasus its confusion, Well,
Speaker 1: it requires how how are you guys? How are you digital?
Speaker 1: Guy who's going to communicate when emergency hurricane comes through?
Speaker 1: I'm like through simplex the way you do with any
Speaker 1: other freaking radio in the world. So people don't get that,
Speaker 1: and that's okay, that's part. But I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like I've said it till I'm blue in the face,
Speaker 1: and I am. I'm happy for people to ask questions,
Speaker 1: but when you come by and make accusations while having
Speaker 1: your head up your ass, that's a different thing than
Speaker 1: than asking a question. So that's that's my personal opinion.
Speaker 1: May you might Yeah, yeah, Sada is a so uh now,
Speaker 1: this is a good question. So Life and Death that's
Speaker 1: his YouTube name. He's been on the in the chat
Speaker 1: a lot as well. Life in This is a good question, Okay,
Speaker 1: queue me in. With so many digital modes, is M
Speaker 1: seventeen better sound quality? Is it higher compression? What does
Speaker 1: M seventeen do to justify another digital mode? I have
Speaker 1: my own opinion about that question. Yeah, oh, I thought
Speaker 1: you might. I thought you might, So you go right ahead, Steve,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 3: So a lot of people will ask this based on
Speaker 3: you know, why why should we use M seventeen? Is
Speaker 3: it better quality audio? That's subjective to me.
Speaker 1: I just listened to it for about a minute and
Speaker 1: a half, and I think that it is to me
Speaker 1: sore more testing is required.
Speaker 3: I personally find the code of the voice codec to
Speaker 3: be easier to understand. With D star you get a
Speaker 3: lot of what they call that R two D two.
Speaker 3: When you get on the fringes of you know, the
Speaker 3: frequency or the I'm sorry, the edge of the repeater
Speaker 3: kind of thing, it kind of falls off. You get
Speaker 3: R two D two DMR. If you've ever listened to
Speaker 3: Public safety on DMR through a scanner or anything like that,
Speaker 3: it is damn near impossible to understand half the things
Speaker 3: that they're saying because either they're whispering into the mic
Speaker 3: or they're got the micro or whatever. I mean, yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: that's probably operating etiquette that's causing those problems. But the
Speaker 3: voice codec is not really to my ear, it doesn't
Speaker 3: sound good. CODEC two has a bit more fidelity as
Speaker 3: far as you know, Voice check likes to use the
Speaker 3: word sibilance, so those sounds and everything like that they
Speaker 3: come out a little bit clearer. So as far as
Speaker 3: the voice codec is concerned, it is subjective. Personally, I
Speaker 3: find it a whole lot better. But the reason, the
Speaker 3: real reason that M seventeen exists is because It is
Speaker 3: an amateur radio digital mode created by amateur radio for
Speaker 3: amateur radio. It is not a commercial entity creating a
Speaker 3: digital mode. It is not a commercial digital mode that's
Speaker 3: being shoehorned into MS to amateur radio. M seventeen is
Speaker 3: completely open source and it is designed for amateur radio,
Speaker 3: and it's designed for people to hack and modify and
Speaker 3: make better rather than wait for some commercial entity to
Speaker 3: put in the features that you want or be laid
Speaker 3: into a commercial protocol that is not designed for amateur radio.
Speaker 3: DMR was never designed for amateur radio. It was designed
Speaker 3: as a commercial radio public safety radio by the European
Speaker 3: Telecommunications at C. At the was designed, you know, it
Speaker 3: was an APCO protocol that was developed for public safety.
Speaker 3: NXDN was commercial radio protocol. M seventeen is a radio
Speaker 3: protocol that is design buy and for amateur radio, open source,
Speaker 3: to be hacked, to be modified, to be made better
Speaker 3: by people in amateur radio. People will argue that system
Speaker 3: fusion is an amateur radio protocol. It isn't. It's C
Speaker 3: four FM. It's P twenty five. It has just been
Speaker 3: modified for use in amateur radio, and it is designed
Speaker 3: and developed by Yasu. You are locked into Yasu by
Speaker 3: buying you know, to use that protocol, you have to
Speaker 3: buy a Yasu radio. You have to buy a Yasu
Speaker 3: repeater in order for it to be effective. M seventeen.
Speaker 3: You could build this radio protocol into any radio that
Speaker 3: will accept it, or even design your own radio to
Speaker 3: use the M seventeen protocol. This is why we have
Speaker 3: a commercial radio that has M seventeen built into it.
Speaker 3: Because a commercial radio manufacturer was saying, hey, we need
Speaker 3: a new protocol, we need something new. They built M
Speaker 3: seventeen in there. There's no licensing that's required other than
Speaker 3: the open source licensing. There is no cost to somebody
Speaker 3: building in our protocol into their equipment. So that's the
Speaker 3: most attractive part, the most attractive part for people that
Speaker 3: want to sell something without having to buy a license
Speaker 3: with DMR, with fusion, with well probably not d star anymore,
Speaker 3: but with NXDN and P twenty five Tier two you
Speaker 3: have to buy a license from DVSI in order to
Speaker 3: use their voice codec. People will say, oh, well, patent's expiring. Well,
Speaker 3: the patent hasn't expired, as a matter of fact, has
Speaker 3: been extended until November.
Speaker 2: Six.
Speaker 1: I think something like that and the newest d Star
Speaker 1: radios are using MB three thousand, right, the D seventy
Speaker 1: five is using AMB three thousand, so.
Speaker 3: But it's still using the old imb ambras plus that's
Speaker 3: why it doesn't That wasn't That's why it doesn't sound
Speaker 3: as good.
Speaker 1: But yes, yeah, you're right. And that was a d
Speaker 1: DVSI product as well.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: So everything every every digital voice mode we have seen
Speaker 1: so far, except for maybe NXD in I'm not one
Speaker 1: hundred percent certain on NXD.
Speaker 3: Know they use MB two plus, okay, plus.
Speaker 1: So it's all been dvs I licensed, which is a
Speaker 1: commercial company and licensing structure. So yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: And and even though people are saying, you know, the
Speaker 3: patent's gonna expire, that doesn't mean the copyright expires. The
Speaker 3: copyright still exists on the code for dvs i's voice codec.
Speaker 3: Unless somebody writes an open source version of that voice
Speaker 3: codec after the patent expires, you're still latent to the
Speaker 3: copyright by dvs I, and they can sell that however
Speaker 3: they want. So yeah, it's it's the The thing that
Speaker 3: I like to drive home so much is that M
Speaker 3: seventeen is open source. It is buy hams four hams
Speaker 3: b HF FH. Remember then this is but but Ham
Speaker 3: Ham Radio by Ham radio only Ham's what anyway? So yeah,
Speaker 3: it's uh, it's definitely an amateur radio protocol designed by
Speaker 3: amateur radio. And then that's the driving force behind us,
Speaker 3: is that we want to make sure that everything is
Speaker 3: still bringing that idea of build it yourself and do
Speaker 3: it yourself that amateur radio was based on. You know,
Speaker 3: back in the fifties and sixties when amateur radio was
Speaker 3: getting sadded, everybody was building their own radios. You'd go
Speaker 3: out by a helicrafters you know, can't build it get
Speaker 3: on the air, or you build your own radio out
Speaker 3: of tubes and wire. You know, we're bringing that back
Speaker 3: when we don't want to be burdened by having to
Speaker 3: purchase a radio that's made commercially with a commercial protocol
Speaker 3: in it. You know, we want to be able to
Speaker 3: have a open source radio with an open source protocol
Speaker 3: so that an amateur radio can take it apart and
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, an amateur radio operator can take it apart, modify,
Speaker 3: put it back together, and be on the merry way
Speaker 3: with whatever they want. So I'm very passionate about this
Speaker 3: if you can tell.
Speaker 1: No, that's a terrific answer. I love everything you said
Speaker 1: about that answer. John Nelson in the chats asking what
Speaker 1: commercial radio exists, I assume you just joined it, so welcome,
Speaker 1: thank you for joining the live stream. This is a
Speaker 1: connect system's CS seven thousand, so it's made by a
Speaker 1: commercial company and commercially for sale for a four by
Speaker 1: a for profit company. But it contains the M seventeen protocol.
Speaker 1: In fact, when before the live stream started, Steve was
Speaker 1: asking me if I had flashed the M seventeen firmware.
Speaker 1: And because I just got this radio like four days ago.
Speaker 1: As soon as I got this radio and the mail,
Speaker 1: I hit up Ed and Steve and Discord. There's an
Speaker 1: M seventeen discord. If you guys want to learn more
Speaker 1: about that, we can share that link here in just
Speaker 1: a minute. But I hit them up in Discord. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I know, I need you guys to come on to
Speaker 1: the stream whenever you're available, and we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about this radio and work it through the hot spot.
Speaker 1: But this is a radio that I purchased that has
Speaker 1: the M seventeen protocol in it, and it had the
Speaker 1: firmware flashed to it already when I got it, because
Speaker 1: Steve said, he goes, oh, it's probably flashed with DMR
Speaker 1: and I turned around. He goes, nope, you've got to
Speaker 1: seventeen right there. I didn't have to do anything. So
Speaker 1: I opened it out, opened it the box. Charge it
Speaker 1: was a little bit, the batteries a little bit low.
Speaker 1: I charge it, turned it on program on hotspot and
Speaker 1: we were on the air just a few minutes ago.
Speaker 1: So it's very uh.
Speaker 5: In fact, there's okay, Seth, thank you very much.
Speaker 4: That's work, and I've received your transformation.
Speaker 1: That first guy had a terrible signal, but that last
Speaker 1: guy had sounded pretty good. So I think I've only
Speaker 1: been listening into Oh there's ed AC three ik right there.
Speaker 1: I've only been listening to it for the last forty
Speaker 1: minutes thirty minutes that we've been doing this, and I
Speaker 1: can already tell you it sounds fantastic. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to kind of listen to it over the next
Speaker 1: few days and kind of monitor some stuff. I'm interested
Speaker 1: to see what kind of activity is on there. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but think you no, John, thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1: Good question though. So I have a personal pet Peeve,
Speaker 1: I agree with everything you said. You just said, Steve,
Speaker 1: I can totally agree with that, Okay. I just I
Speaker 1: used to get frustrated with people when they said they
Speaker 1: didn't like DMR because it wasn't made for amateur radio.
Speaker 1: Oh well, Jesus system, Fusion was made for amature radio.
Speaker 1: Dstar was made for amateur radio. I'm like, well, I
Speaker 1: really really really hope you're not a CW operator because
Speaker 1: CW and Morse Code were not made for amateur radio.
Speaker 1: In fact, neither was FM and AM originally, so it
Speaker 1: just kind of it kind of irks me. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, if if that's your only reason,
Speaker 1: then seriously, really you're just gonna use fusion and get
Speaker 1: up all your CWNHF stuff because it wasn't made for
Speaker 1: amateur radio. So I don't know, it's just something something
Speaker 1: I thought of, but no, I liked it, and.
Speaker 3: I understand that it's just you know, the the but
Speaker 3: back when CW was in its heyday, that was the
Speaker 3: only way of communicating, you know, I didn't have FM
Speaker 3: and AM. I mean, essentially with CW it is kind
Speaker 3: of AM but you know, yeah, but you know, until
Speaker 3: those really came out. You know, CW was the only
Speaker 3: method of communication, and you know it did to be
Speaker 3: to be honest, Yeah, Morse code or or CW was
Speaker 3: originally a commercial thing.
Speaker 5: It was, was it?
Speaker 3: Uh, Western Union kind of base basically made it like
Speaker 3: the thing, right, you know, but you know it was
Speaker 3: adopted by amateur radio. Sure, but.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I used to tell people that, Ye,
Speaker 1: DMR was made for a commercial world. Hams took it
Speaker 1: and made it better because we used to have that
Speaker 1: worldwide net. And DMR was never meant to work across
Speaker 1: the pond, across the ocean, as a as a North America.
Speaker 1: It was made for a county or a city to
Speaker 1: use in a local area for a local radio comms.
Speaker 1: And it's great because DMR is dual time slot, so
Speaker 1: you can use you can use two voices, two voice
Speaker 1: transmissions on the same channel at the same time, same frequency,
Speaker 1: the same time. They don't crash into one another. Fusion
Speaker 1: does that too, except Fusion uses half of its time
Speaker 1: slot to send GPS data, so you're on a six
Speaker 1: point twenty five voice channel while GPS data is transmitting
Speaker 1: on the other six point twenty five data channel. To
Speaker 1: make up the twelve point five total narrow band channel,
Speaker 1: or you can switch it to VW for voice wide
Speaker 1: on Fusion, which takes up the whole twelve and a
Speaker 1: half narrow band channel. But I mean, so it kind
Speaker 1: of does the same thing.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean M seventeen does it even better?
Speaker 1: Okay, explain how that because I don't know how does
Speaker 1: that work?
Speaker 3: Tell me M seventeen is a nine killer Hurts wide channel.
Speaker 3: It's a M seventeen is FDM, a frequency division multiple access.
Speaker 3: It uses a nine kill Hurts wide channel, but the
Speaker 3: data is sent in tandem in the frames that are
Speaker 3: going over over our f so we don't need to
Speaker 3: split the voice in data like Fusion where they have
Speaker 3: six and a half or six on a quarter and
Speaker 3: six and a quarter.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: M seventeen uses the whole nine killer Hurts wide channel
Speaker 3: for both the voice and streaming digital data. So in
Speaker 3: the in the packets, in the frames that are going
Speaker 3: over RF is actual metadata included, so the voice codec
Speaker 3: that so we have a we have a forty eight
Speaker 3: hundred bit per second transfer rate over the air. Thirty
Speaker 3: two hundred of that is for voice. It is the
Speaker 3: codec to thirty two hundred bps voice mode. The extra
Speaker 3: what is it sixteen hundred bits? Yeah? I think it's
Speaker 3: sixteen hundred bits is used for metadata, so things like encryption, GPS, positioning,
Speaker 3: slow text data like Dstar has slow text data.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: M seventeen can do slow text data. Any sort of
Speaker 3: metadata that you want to add in on top of
Speaker 3: that voice stream is possible with not having to increase
Speaker 3: the bandwidth of the of the channel or separate out
Speaker 3: specific parts of the channel four you know, the voice
Speaker 3: in voice stream and data stream.
Speaker 1: So is the total channel only nine Killer Hurts instead
Speaker 1: of twelve point five?
Speaker 3: Then yes, it is under it is. It is still
Speaker 3: considered a twelve and a half channel because there is
Speaker 3: no nine Killer Hurts wide you know, uh channel split? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: just like there isn't a six point twenty five for
Speaker 3: amateur radio. Can still use twenty five Killer Hurts or
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four Killer Hurts. Yes, we can still use
Speaker 3: voice wide channels. But M seventeen has the ability or
Speaker 3: M seven it's not the ability. M seventeen is nine
Speaker 3: Killer Hurts wide, so it'll fit into a twelve and
Speaker 3: a half channel. There was an idea of being able
Speaker 3: to use the extra sideband or or the extra frequency
Speaker 3: space that we have on a twelve and a half
Speaker 3: Killer Hurts channel to also transmit analog. So a repeater
Speaker 3: would be able to transmit a simultaneous M seventeen data
Speaker 3: as well as analog voice on the same channel, and
Speaker 3: have it so that a radio that is properly configured
Speaker 3: for this to be able to receive an analog channel
Speaker 3: even though somebody might be transmitting IAIN seventeen. It's kind
Speaker 3: of weird physics, and it's a little bit more science
Speaker 3: than I know off the top of my head, but
Speaker 3: the idea is there, Okay, So we have we have
Speaker 3: a little bit of extra bandwidth that we can kind
Speaker 3: of squeeze some stuff into if we wanted to, because
Speaker 3: we know that it's going to be that nine Killer
Speaker 3: Hurts wide the two point four plus minus deviation on
Speaker 3: either side of the center, so we still have some
Speaker 3: bandwidth on the on the edges, kind of like if
Speaker 3: you've seen like the HDU radio signals that FM broadcasters have.
Speaker 3: If you look at like the center channel frequency, you'll
Speaker 3: see the FM obviously, but I either side you've got
Speaker 3: the digital data for AT radio on that same channel.
Speaker 3: So it's two hundred and fifty color, it's wide, but
Speaker 3: you have those side bands that are on the same
Speaker 3: channel that I was doing the HD radio. I was
Speaker 3: kind of reversing that, so the digital data would be
Speaker 3: in the center and the FM yeah on the sides. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Kind of an interesting thing to think about, but I
Speaker 3: don't know if it would be physically possible yet.
Speaker 1: I I would like we were We were at the
Speaker 1: park yesterday, as I mentioned earlier, and uh, twenty meters
Speaker 1: was just chalk full of people between supports parks weekend,
Speaker 1: a lot of people out at parks. Jamboree on the
Speaker 1: air was yesterday, and apparently the New York QUSA party
Speaker 1: was also yesterday, which I didn't know. I just was
Speaker 1: tuning around and a lot of people were calling CQQ
Speaker 1: soo party. Well, there was a couple of people on
Speaker 1: fourteen dot two thirty and they were even covered up
Speaker 1: by They're like, yeah, there's some digital noise. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: that's the slow scan TV station. So we to put
Speaker 1: our phones on top of my radio just kind of
Speaker 1: listened to. We were getting all kinds of really cool
Speaker 1: pictures coming. So so you're sitting there talking about an
Speaker 1: extra like three Killer's and I'm like, do some slow
Speaker 1: scan TV over that. That's not bad, you know, so
Speaker 1: kind of it was some kind of like low reds
Speaker 1: midget transmission while you're while you're uh, while you keet
Speaker 1: up on the frequency. It'd be kind of fun. So
Speaker 1: memes over HD, right, Yeah, well that's all slow scan
Speaker 1: TV is anymore. It's just memes over the air, that's
Speaker 1: all it is.
Speaker 3: It's because of Josh.
Speaker 1: Uh he has it. Yeah, yeah, he has a big
Speaker 1: can in that. So yeah, I'm just uh, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there was some cool stuff coming over slow
Speaker 1: scan TV yesterday.
Speaker 2: Shout out to the Ham Radio Village guys too, they
Speaker 2: do a lot of slow scan TV over there, or
Speaker 2: deaf Con group.
Speaker 1: Of the deaf Con group. Yeah, those guys are sure. Okay, sweet.
Speaker 3: Qualm uh don If you hold your horses for a bit,
Speaker 3: you might see something. We we were talking about using
Speaker 3: M seventeen over satellite. We have been able to get
Speaker 3: M seventeen through Ecostar twelve. I think it is, you know,
Speaker 3: basically bent pipe. So you're just sitting there, you know,
Speaker 3: transmitting and then hearing what's going on through the satellite
Speaker 3: and all the tests went well. They went very very well.
Speaker 3: So we were kind of thinking about was doing RF
Speaker 3: trunking for repeaters, so repeaters could have multiple channels trunked
Speaker 3: up to a satellite using quadratary amplitude or something similar,
Speaker 3: whether it be two fifty six qualm or you know
Speaker 3: whatever else. I mean, we're starting to get into the
Speaker 3: whole you know, realm of cable TV when we're talking
Speaker 3: about you know, exotic modes like that. But yeah, something
Speaker 3: like that might might come into the future.
Speaker 1: All right, I lost it. Where did the question go?
Speaker 3: No, I lost it a long time ago.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well I never had it. So somebody was
Speaker 1: asking about setting up Gosh, I just saw your question
Speaker 1: and I looked it up, and I looked back at
Speaker 1: this corner. Okay, K six A the hillbilly Ham. It's
Speaker 1: a great name, by the way, like it. What ref
Speaker 1: reference would I connect to using my yazy radio for
Speaker 1: M seventeen is? I don't have him seventeen right now.
Speaker 1: So this is what you want, and I need to
Speaker 1: get and I've got one of these. I've got one
Speaker 1: of these in my possession and I need to get
Speaker 1: ed and ed and steve back on the show, so
Speaker 1: we can connect it and uh and just kind of
Speaker 1: tinker around with it. This connects to the back of
Speaker 1: your jesoo FtM six thousand. And does it do any
Speaker 1: other radios besides that.
Speaker 3: Anything that's ninety six hundred BOD capable connect? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So the Alinko radios. No, No, not the Alnko radios.
Speaker 3: Unless you actually do the modification for it, because it
Speaker 3: is capable of those. A Linko radios are capable of
Speaker 3: ninety six hundred BOD, But it's that that funky g
Speaker 3: r G five r UX or whatever. Okay, you know,
Speaker 3: funky ninety six hundred BOD like mode. The most important
Speaker 3: thing to know about M seventeen is that it requires
Speaker 3: a completely flat audio response on a radio. So basically
Speaker 3: that means discriminatory tap and direct base band input. And
Speaker 3: the radios that we have been successful with have been
Speaker 3: a lot of the ASU radios, a few of the
Speaker 3: Kenwood radios have been tested, all of the Motorola like
Speaker 3: CDM radios, the old WIREUS radios, those those are are
Speaker 3: wonderful for it.
Speaker 1: What about the ninety.
Speaker 2: The icon No, so I love to have the flat
Speaker 2: audio coming out of the back of the radio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, I may or may not have just
Speaker 1: acquired at ninety seven hundred that I haven't opened yet.
Speaker 1: So if you test it, test it, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I might. I might. I might kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of see what's going on with it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean, I don't know. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if I assume that radio has a in the
Speaker 1: back of it.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a data port coming out of
Speaker 2: the icons.
Speaker 1: Is they're not? Okay, there might not be. So, I
Speaker 1: mean all those a Linko Mono bands have it. That's
Speaker 1: why those are excellent radios for all Star because you
Speaker 1: get a repeater builder rim Alinko device and plug it
Speaker 1: right in, plug it into a Raspberry Pine you're done.
Speaker 1: And those are fantastic systems. I have one sitting right there.
Speaker 2: But so I think it's like the yellow wire mod
Speaker 2: or something like that that needs to get done for
Speaker 2: the Linko radios. Okay, okay, okay, to get them working
Speaker 2: with the flat audio.
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean I got two of them here, I
Speaker 3: could I could tear them a pat and figure it
Speaker 3: out a pot a.
Speaker 1: Pot and uh and yeah, I mean I don't. I
Speaker 1: mean you said anything with the with the port in
Speaker 1: the back. And the most popular one I think is
Speaker 1: the a Linko Because they're mono bands, so they're less
Speaker 1: expensive and they're multi band, you can get.
Speaker 2: Pretty affordable.
Speaker 1: That is true. That is true. That's a newer radio.
Speaker 1: It's a newer radio. But that yes, f TM six thousand.
Speaker 1: I keep that. I keep that in a little man
Speaker 1: pack and with my ed pong roll up J pole and.
Speaker 2: That you need.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it right there. So that's that's your So
Speaker 1: I take I take the uh yeah, I take that
Speaker 1: that little man pack radio with me every time I
Speaker 1: go to a show and I set it up at
Speaker 1: the ham fest at my campsite or wherever. And it's
Speaker 1: fifty watts in into into a net phong roll up
Speaker 1: J pole that I put up with like ten or
Speaker 1: fifteen feet. It's a hell of a better than an HT.
Speaker 1: So I love that. I love that radio for what
Speaker 1: it is. But and I've been meaning to put that
Speaker 1: freaking that. In fact, I forgot I had that thing
Speaker 1: until I got this radio. And I hit you guys
Speaker 1: up at Discord the other day and I'm like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, I've got that m seventeen monde six down.
Speaker 1: I never did anything with it, so, uh, that's just
Speaker 1: another thing on the list that I need to need
Speaker 1: to do. But yeah, that's good. Okay. Uh, you guys
Speaker 1: share a link to your discord if you don't mind,
Speaker 1: send it to me in zoom and I'll put it.
Speaker 1: I'll put it in the chat here. So if you
Speaker 1: guys are in A seventeen and you're not on the
Speaker 1: M seventeen discord, I'm on the M seventeen discord. I
Speaker 1: don't get on there a whole lot, but I was
Speaker 1: on there talking to these guys about a week ago,
Speaker 1: talking about when I got that email from Connect Systems
Speaker 1: and I said I ordered the Plus and they're like,
Speaker 1: you don't don't want we Plus.
Speaker 3: We jumped on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's like you don't you don't want the
Speaker 1: Plus because the firmware is not ready yet. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really say that, so it's a little ambiguous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know what Jerry says, yeah, right right, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not your fault. It's not.
Speaker 3: He's definitely staying on top of things when it comes
Speaker 3: to making sure that things are getting you know, sent out.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what, he's the first guy to
Speaker 1: actually have an RF capable, commercially available M seventeen radio,
Speaker 1: So I'm not dogging him at all. So he's he's
Speaker 1: in fact the CS seven thousand years ago. If you've
Speaker 1: been following Connect Systems for a while, the c S
Speaker 1: seven thousand was supposed to be a multi mode dmr
Speaker 1: D Star Confusion P twenty five radio, like seven eight
Speaker 1: nine years ago, and then he scrapped that project for
Speaker 1: because he figured out that it was hard to do.
Speaker 1: I jacked up my hold on, I jacked up my
Speaker 1: zoom here at there we go. And now he's calling
Speaker 1: it the c S seven seventeen, and I think it's great.
Speaker 1: I think it's great that he has an actual radio
Speaker 1: that will do M seventeen over RF. So I'm glad
Speaker 1: I bought this. Like I said a minute ago, it's
Speaker 1: a sturdy radio. It feels nice. I thought it was
Speaker 1: gonna look like a TYT MD twenty seventeen or m
Speaker 1: D three ninety. It doesn't look like that at all.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a great it's a great feeling radio.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a very well built I think, and
Speaker 1: I'll see how how will it works. I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: it on.
Speaker 3: The h for a BNC.
Speaker 1: That's a good idea. Yeah. Well, and this this longer intent,
Speaker 1: I'll probably put like a stubby intent on mine, like
Speaker 1: one of those squatty intent because I'm just using it
Speaker 1: to talking to the hot spot which is right there.
Speaker 1: I don't need a high high range antenna on that,
Speaker 1: so this is a little bit better to do that.
Speaker 1: But I put links to this hot spot that has
Speaker 1: WPSD with M seventeen factory installed, and this radio. I'll
Speaker 1: put links to both those in the description of this video,
Speaker 1: So you guys go back and check the description of
Speaker 1: the video. There's links to both of those there. I
Speaker 1: don't get anything for this radio. I don't have it's
Speaker 1: not an affiliate link or anything like that. In fact,
Speaker 1: Jerry didn't even know I was doing this live stream. Hopefully,
Speaker 1: you guys, I'll go bombard his website tomorrow and tell
Speaker 1: him that ham Radio two point zero cent you just
Speaker 1: just because just because I like to do that. But
Speaker 1: I don't get anything for that. There's no affiliate commission
Speaker 1: or anything like that at all.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you get complaints when his website gets you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, good, all right?
Speaker 1: Any other questions from the chat.
Speaker 3: Questions that we can answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, Steve. You've gone over my head
Speaker 1: a couple of times tonight.
Speaker 3: I'm gone over.
Speaker 1: You're doing okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Uh oh okay, I didn't realize this. Maybe you can
Speaker 1: speak to this for in it. Jody says, kudos on
Speaker 1: putting the OHIS port on Module seventeen. Yes, so you
Speaker 1: guys have the open headset standard port on it.
Speaker 3: Yep. Mark Smith has been a huge help with getting
Speaker 3: all that straightened out. And yeah, the actually, as a
Speaker 3: matter of fact, I have a couple of his kits
Speaker 3: right here for the open headset you know, do it yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 3: module that I need to test out. But yeah, we
Speaker 3: were are I think the second project, the second open
Speaker 3: source project to include the OHIS connector on a radio
Speaker 3: type device. Mark has been a huge supporter of M seventeen.
Speaker 3: He was actually the one that created the whole idea
Speaker 3: for call sign encoding for us as well, so you know,
Speaker 3: his his ideas have been put into the M seventeen spec.
Speaker 3: But when I saw that he had an open source
Speaker 3: headset interconnect thing, I said, we need to put that
Speaker 3: into our project because these little CLICKI balfung you know,
Speaker 3: speaker mic things. It's so one of the things that
Speaker 3: I keep saying is garbage in, garbage out. You got
Speaker 3: garbage microphone, it's going to sound like garbage over the
Speaker 3: over the air. With the Open Headset Interconnect Standard, you
Speaker 3: can use any quality headset with the Module seventeen and
Speaker 3: it's a simple connection. You just plug your headset in
Speaker 3: and you're good to go. And so when they were
Speaker 3: redesigning the Module seventeen, I really pushed for this and
Speaker 3: that was a little bit of kick back, but you know,
Speaker 3: we got everything straightened out and it's working.
Speaker 1: Great, excellent. Yeah, I interviewed Mark on this show like
Speaker 1: maybe a year ago, a year and a half ago,
Speaker 1: something like that. I saw something on qr Z about
Speaker 1: this open Headset intercon inter Interconnect standard, I think is
Speaker 1: what it is. And I'm like, oh, that sounds interesting,
Speaker 1: or maybe maybe I got an email about it something
Speaker 1: like that and I was like, Hey, you want to
Speaker 1: come on the show and talk about it. So and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, that's kind of a neat sound
Speaker 1: in It's a great idea if everyone adopts it. But
Speaker 1: and I'm glad to see So, I'm glad to see
Speaker 1: you guys adopted that. It's great. So I need to
Speaker 1: pick up one of those kiss now that I know
Speaker 1: it's available for this radio, I'll probably do that soon.
Speaker 3: It's available for the module seventeen.
Speaker 1: For the uh, the one that goes on my six thousand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for the version one point zero. It's not on
Speaker 3: the newest version of the module seventeen.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think that's the one I have. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't no. When did that come out?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: It was released during ham Radio friedrich Schoffen, So when
Speaker 3: we when I was over there in friedrich Schoffen, we
Speaker 3: released it.
Speaker 1: Okay, And how does that differ from the one I have?
Speaker 3: Uh, it's the one that has that HMI board that
Speaker 3: I was talking about that goes over the module and
Speaker 3: gets installed into a hammered case. There's a bunch of
Speaker 3: traces that were redesigned parts that were replaced for better parts,
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. So still, no, EGO isn't manufacturing them,
Speaker 3: at least not that I'm aware of, or and I
Speaker 3: don't know if they have any plans for that right now,
Speaker 3: it's still just an open source project that you would
Speaker 3: have to get boards made for by yourself.
Speaker 1: Gotch oh, okay, so they're not commercially available, not yet. Okay, okay, okay, good, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: cool just looking at the chat here. Okay, that's good,
Speaker 1: all right, well cool man. Hey got both of you guys,
Speaker 1: Ed and Steve. Thanks for your time tonight. I like
Speaker 1: to keep I think I told you guys when oh
Speaker 1: Frank when it speaking of speaking of Ed, Frank wanted
Speaker 1: me to print a picture of him and put it
Speaker 1: behind me tonight, So hey, print a picture of me.
Speaker 1: See if anybody else I've got. I saw a picture of.
Speaker 3: All of the team in Germany right there.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's got a picture of a guy behind him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, boy, check behind me.
Speaker 1: So the story behind that, if you don't know? At
Speaker 1: where was that Ham Cash this last year?
Speaker 3: Uh yeah? So we were at Yeah Cash, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Florida, Orlando, and I walked by the thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, Chad for the gifted memberships. Appreciate that. So
Speaker 1: Steve is there and M seventeen has a booth and
Speaker 1: Steve is there and he has a picture of Ed.
Speaker 1: Kind of like in a frame on the table on
Speaker 1: the back wall, and everybody's coming by saying what happened
Speaker 1: to Ed?
Speaker 2: Is he?
Speaker 1: Okay? What I mean, like as a memorial to or
Speaker 1: something like.
Speaker 3: Did not help at all.
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. I forgot about that. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that that's a Redding joke, is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Frank's like, hey, put a picture of me behind you.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I don't have a picture of you, Frank.
Speaker 1: But that's a great idea though.
Speaker 3: That that originally came from Rosie over at ar d C.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: First, okay, Yeah, the first trip that we took to Germany,
Speaker 3: Ed wasn't able to go with us, so, you know,
Speaker 3: as a dedication to Ed and to have him with
Speaker 3: us in the photo, we had him on the back
Speaker 3: wall when we were taking photos and everything like that.
Speaker 3: And Rosie, Rosie was a great person. It's got a
Speaker 3: awesome sense of humor. So Ever since then, I forced
Speaker 3: Voychek to hold onto that photo, so every time that
Speaker 3: we go to another event, he has it with him
Speaker 3: and we put it up. I was like, I have
Speaker 3: enough pictures of it. I don't need another one to
Speaker 3: carry around.
Speaker 2: I got a ton of phone calls and text messages.
Speaker 3: Are you okay?
Speaker 1: Are you okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh dubt that at all. Uh that was funny
Speaker 1: because it really looked like a memorial picture. And I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: what happened to Ed? Hey man?
Speaker 2: Ed?
Speaker 3: You got it?
Speaker 1: You got a fan base, buddy, because I mean people
Speaker 1: were concerned about you. That's a good thing. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: So all right, well, but when I brought you guys
Speaker 1: on the first time, I think it was like haamvention,
Speaker 1: Like the next year you said that I was the
Speaker 1: first channel to ever live stream about seventeen. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: we got to keep this going.
Speaker 2: So this is like this is like the seventh appearance.
Speaker 1: I think something like that.
Speaker 3: That's what it's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I hope. So that'd be great. That'd be great. We
Speaker 1: would uh, we would, we would like that. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: we like to keep up with you guys, and I
Speaker 1: mean aar DC grant. You guys have made a lot
Speaker 1: of progress since then, and it's been fun to kind
Speaker 1: of follow you guys and see what what all all
Speaker 1: the different hands that are in it, all the different
Speaker 1: ideas everybody comes up with, and just how it's progressing.
Speaker 1: One of the things we were I was at a
Speaker 1: Meshtastic convention two or three, a very small one here locally, uh,
Speaker 1: two or two or three weekends ago, and they were
Speaker 1: talking about the fact that Meshtastic is open source and
Speaker 1: how this and this and this and what can we
Speaker 1: do to make it better? And I'm like, let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. Ham Radio is all about open source
Speaker 1: stuff right up until the point where people just kind
Speaker 1: of like lose interest in it because there's no corporate
Speaker 1: backing behind it. There's no marketing, there's no advertising, there's
Speaker 1: no this, that and the other. I've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of open source projects die on the on the table
Speaker 1: because people just kind of like, oh, yeah, well that
Speaker 1: hadn't updated in six months, so what else is new?
Speaker 1: You know, that kind of thing. So but M seventeen
Speaker 1: having that boost from a RDC, I think is going
Speaker 1: to be a really really good project for that. So
Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing how you guys grow, what
Speaker 1: else you come up with, whether kind of new radios
Speaker 1: will come out with, and what goes from there. Have
Speaker 1: you have you talked to Joe with kamjat to see
Speaker 1: if he's gonna try to work on anything with that
Speaker 1: or is that a it is, it is possible. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The problem that we're running into is that nobody wants
Speaker 3: to do the work because M seventeen, even though it's
Speaker 3: open source, doesn't mean that our time is free. And
Speaker 3: so a lot of these organizations that are asking for
Speaker 3: M seventeen to be built into their products get kind
Speaker 3: of scared away when we say, okay, well, this is
Speaker 3: how much it's going to cost for me to do
Speaker 3: that for you. Oh yeah, okay, you know it's open source.
Speaker 3: Anybody can do the work if they understand it. But again,
Speaker 3: you know, these companies have to realize that time is money.
Speaker 1: Time is money, sure, absolutely, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean I'd love to do the work for free,
Speaker 3: but I can't eat yeah spaghetti off of free right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I don't blame you. I don't blame you.
Speaker 1: I really, I really don't blame you. I mean the
Speaker 1: end product, I mean, you pay for it once, you
Speaker 1: pay programmer one time, and then you have it forever.
Speaker 1: The end product is what it's is what it's about
Speaker 1: with the open source thing. So no, I don't blame me.
Speaker 1: I would do the same thing. So, yeah, if I
Speaker 1: was a programmer, in which I am not. You don't
Speaker 1: want me programming your stuff, so you can hire Frank.
Speaker 3: I'd love to hire Frank.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 1: I tried to get Frank a job with Flex Radio
Speaker 1: like three years ago at Ham Vincheon. He's like well,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, they're in Austin, They're like three hours
Speaker 1: south of us. And he's like, well, I like going
Speaker 1: into the office. I'm like, you are no longer my friend.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you have a job. You have an interview.
Speaker 1: He wasn't offered a job. I was like, you have
Speaker 1: an interview with Flex freaking Radio, Frank, and you like
Speaker 1: and you do. And he lives by him so off
Speaker 1: and he doesn't like to work from home. I'm like, seriously,
Speaker 1: why am I friends with you? I don't even I
Speaker 1: don't know who you are. I like to tease him
Speaker 1: about that because he's a good sport, but you know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, so.
Speaker 3: He's also crazy enough to jump out of a perfectly
Speaker 3: good point.
Speaker 1: That is that is a that is a good point
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, that is a good point as well.
Speaker 1: So I was at a local I was at that
Speaker 1: I think it was Belton, on one of our local hamfests,
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, where's the guy that jumps out
Speaker 1: of planes. I'm like, Carlos, he lives in Indiana. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: the other guy that lives down here. I'm like Frank.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, worse. I'm like, that's not how you
Speaker 1: describe Frank, the guy that jumps out of planes. That's
Speaker 1: not right. That's wrong, fundamentally wrong with that. Great Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think twice. Carlos probably has a thousand jumps under
Speaker 1: his film, but Frank is the guy who jumps out
Speaker 1: of planes. I don't know. I found that. I found
Speaker 1: that odd.
Speaker 3: Famous.
Speaker 1: Yeah I'm famous. Oh boy. Yeah, all in good fun,
Speaker 1: All in good fun, guys. Thanks once again for your
Speaker 1: time tonight. We will definitely keep in touch. I share
Speaker 1: the link to the discord. I'll put the link to
Speaker 1: the discord in the description. Also for you guys on
Speaker 1: Team Replay, y'all can go check that out the discord,
Speaker 1: the seventeen discord. If you have any questions or comments,
Speaker 1: or if you're a developer and want to get involved
Speaker 1: in the project, I'm sure they'd welcome me in there.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's it's gonna be. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: good it's gonna be really fun to see how well
Speaker 1: it goes. And I'm gonna have fun listening to this
Speaker 1: for the next couple of weeks to see just the
Speaker 1: activity and what it overall sounds. Likes that are just
Speaker 1: listened it for a couple of minutes on the live stream,
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be a good, good project to follow.
Speaker 1: So uh, both of you guys, Ed Steve, thanks for
Speaker 1: your time tonight, and uh just kind of look forward
Speaker 1: to seeing where it goes from here.
Speaker 3: Awesome.
Speaker 2: Thanks JAS support amateur radio, open source projects, go out there,
Speaker 2: get you told GitHub account and see what else is
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: Love yeah projects, Yeah, yeah, good, good, good, All right, guys,
Speaker 1: thanks a lot. We're gonna we're gonna let y'all go
Speaker 1: and we'll talk to everybody in the chat. We'll talk
Speaker 1: to you'all this week sometimes. So seventy three at all.
Speaker 3: Nice, seventy three later