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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about hurricanes.

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<v Speaker 3>Hurricane Helene will's strengthen into a hurricane. It's right now

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<v Speaker 3>tropical storm, but eighty mile an hour sustained winds hurricane

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<v Speaker 3>force gusts have been measured in some places. They're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about this right now, still northeast northeast, say of Cosamel,

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<v Speaker 3>but making its way through the Gulf of Mexico up

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<v Speaker 3>towards the Florida coastline. We're expecting parts of the western

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<v Speaker 3>part of the Florida Panhandle is where it's it's expected

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<v Speaker 3>to make landfall some point. The Big Bend area is

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<v Speaker 3>what they're calling it. The vast majority. I think sixty

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<v Speaker 3>seven counties in Florida, and sixty four of them are

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<v Speaker 3>under some sort of watch or warning as a result

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<v Speaker 3>of this. Some of those early bands of rain have

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<v Speaker 3>already spread as far north as South Florida as a

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<v Speaker 3>result of this.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, Gary Trucker branded here. I remember going to an

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<v Speaker 4>A's game up in the Coliseum. Had the best time

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<v Speaker 4>Craft stadium.

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<v Speaker 5>Great game.

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<v Speaker 4>Also remember going to see Aretha Franklin and Prince over

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<v Speaker 4>at Oracle Arena back then and had the best time.

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<v Speaker 4>Gonna miss those people, gonna miss those places. It was

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<v Speaker 4>a great time.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there is a new report that details a stunning

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<v Speaker 1>Secret Service leadership mess.

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<v Speaker 6>That's where we kick off swamp watch.

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<v Speaker 5>Swamp is horrible, The government doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 7>Make it like a reality TV sho bad deus.

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<v Speaker 2>Always a pleasure to be anywhere from Washington, d C. Hey, Joe.

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<v Speaker 8>A town hall too, clearly built on a swamp in

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<v Speaker 8>so many ways, still a swamp to watching.

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<v Speaker 5>Malarkey said, dream the swamp. I said, Oh, that's so,

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<v Speaker 5>I'll keep you know the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was a mypartisan Senate that released a report

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<v Speaker 1>today that says Secret Service agents failed to take charge

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<v Speaker 1>of decision making for security at the rally where Trump

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<v Speaker 1>was shot in July. There were key lapses in preparation

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<v Speaker 1>and communication that day. The locals were on a separate

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<v Speaker 1>frequency than the Secret Service. The guy running the drones

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<v Speaker 1>had no experience and was on the phone with tech support.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a what is it called the Keystone cops.

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<v Speaker 6>That's what this sounds like.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the problems.

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<v Speaker 3>They also pointed out the failure to set up visual

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<v Speaker 3>barriers around the rally that might have blocked the view

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<v Speaker 3>from the rooftop all the way to.

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<v Speaker 2>Where the president was.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Cahill is on the story and joins us now

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<v Speaker 1>with more details about this report.

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<v Speaker 6>Joe, how are you say?

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<v Speaker 8>Good?

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<v Speaker 5>How are you guys great?

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<v Speaker 3>We're just going through some of these things, some of

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<v Speaker 3>the very very simple measures that appeared should have been

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<v Speaker 3>taken that weren't taken.

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<v Speaker 2>So who's the one person to blame?

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<v Speaker 8>You know, I don't think that there is any one person.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was.

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<v Speaker 8>You have to look at the leadership, generally, the advanced

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<v Speaker 8>team that goes in ahead of time before any other

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<v Speaker 8>major event and tries to do the pre planning. We've

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<v Speaker 8>heard that the acting director of the Ciccret Service actually

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<v Speaker 8>told me last week that there were some people who

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<v Speaker 8>are going to be held accountable. And we pressed, is

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<v Speaker 8>that is that being fired? And he said held accountable.

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<v Speaker 8>So we think that that's going to happen. But look,

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<v Speaker 8>it's really hard to point to one thing. That's why

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<v Speaker 8>lawmakers that we talked to are so surprised shot appalled

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<v Speaker 8>by this because they look at it and say, if

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<v Speaker 8>there were one mistake or two mistakes, it's something they

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<v Speaker 8>would more easily digest. But this was a failure on

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<v Speaker 8>multiple levels before the event, during the event, and in

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<v Speaker 8>those crucial moments ahead of the time that Trump got shot.

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<v Speaker 8>That really makes this almost hard to believe.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things that the Senate did was voted

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<v Speaker 3>to make sure that protectees will get the same level

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<v Speaker 3>of protection that an active president or an a sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>an actual president would have. So if you've got Protection

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<v Speaker 3>Equality Bill that make sure that Kamala Harris and Donald

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<v Speaker 3>Trump have the same kind of protection that Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 3>would have as the sitting president. Is that going to

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<v Speaker 3>impact the campaign and the ability of candidates to actually

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<v Speaker 8>That's a great question. So the Secret Service says no.

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<v Speaker 8>They say that doesn't mean that their lifestyles or that

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<v Speaker 8>their campaigning events are going to change. What that means

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<v Speaker 8>is they do what they want to do, and it

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<v Speaker 8>is on us to figure out, no matter what their

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<v Speaker 8>activities are, how we can protect them. Now, if you're wondering, well,

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<v Speaker 8>we don't have much faith in the agency to do

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<v Speaker 8>that at this point. You know, that is also a

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<v Speaker 8>concern that many lawmakers. We brought up. The Secret Service says, no,

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<v Speaker 8>that they're not going to You know, they can do

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<v Speaker 8>what they want, and the task before the agency is

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<v Speaker 8>you got to protect him at all costs. Here, I

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<v Speaker 8>want to point out one thing in the report, if

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<v Speaker 8>I can, that really amazed me. It jumped out and

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<v Speaker 8>I read the whole thing this morning, cover to cover.

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<v Speaker 8>The thing that stood out most was in the middle

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<v Speaker 8>of it. If you're reading the reports, about page fifty

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<v Speaker 8>five fifty six, I think they have an interview with

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<v Speaker 8>the sniper teams lead that day, and he basically describes

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<v Speaker 8>the moment that local officers on the ground saw Thomas

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<v Speaker 8>Crooks climb this building and get into position with a gun.

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<v Speaker 8>He saw officers local officers reacting to that. He says,

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<v Speaker 8>I was watching as they put their hands on their

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<v Speaker 8>guns and ran towards the buildings. And so the Senate committee,

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<v Speaker 8>who's asking this team lead these questions, says, at that point,

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<v Speaker 8>wasn't it enough that you knew there was something concerning

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<v Speaker 8>to pull Donald Trump off stage? And he said no,

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<v Speaker 8>because we didn't know. It could have been a medical emergency,

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<v Speaker 8>could have also been a man with a gun. And

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<v Speaker 8>the committee asked, well, if it was even a possibility

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<v Speaker 8>that it was a man with a gun. You wouldn't

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<v Speaker 8>even consider calling off the former president from the stage

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<v Speaker 8>he was on. And the response was, well, it didn't

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<v Speaker 8>even cross our mind to do that.

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<v Speaker 5>That amazed me that there.

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<v Speaker 8>Wasn't even a consideration and that he said so much

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<v Speaker 8>to the committee. It just blew me away reading that.

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<v Speaker 1>And why isn't there a separation of a medical emergency

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<v Speaker 1>versus someone with a gun? Those should be two different alerts.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, and you know therein lies another problem, which was communication.

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<v Speaker 8>There were law enforcement on the ground at the local

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<v Speaker 8>level that were flagging there is a person with a

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<v Speaker 8>gun climbing the roof, and they were on their radios,

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<v Speaker 8>but the Secret Service was not on the same frequency

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<v Speaker 8>as the local officers on the ground out and I'm

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<v Speaker 8>told that is actually a regular thing. They don't want

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<v Speaker 8>to clog up each other's communication. But usually what happens

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<v Speaker 8>is there's one command center that's hearing all of this. Yes,

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<v Speaker 8>and if the command center says, hey, the local guys

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<v Speaker 8>see a man with a gun, that immediately gets to

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<v Speaker 8>the Secret Service agents who are around Donald Trump. And

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<v Speaker 8>that didn't happen in this case. Instead, of one command center,

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<v Speaker 8>they had two separate ones which were not communicating with

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<v Speaker 8>each other, another major failure of many that is laid

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<v Speaker 8>out in this report today.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Joe, thanks for your time. We appreciate it,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, happy to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Khalil again, Washington correspondent there for News Nation on

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<v Speaker 3>the heels of what we talked about in the first

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<v Speaker 3>segment of Swamp Watch, which was this congressional report that

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<v Speaker 3>came out that detailed some of the failings of law

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<v Speaker 3>enforcement and secret Service in the Butler, Pennsylvania assassination attempt

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<v Speaker 3>on former President Trump. He also spoke about that today

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<v Speaker 3>while he was doing a rally in North Carolin.

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<v Speaker 7>Really, why is it that the father of the shooter

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<v Speaker 7>in the Butler instance has one of the best and

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<v Speaker 7>most expensive lawyers in the entire state of Pennsylvania. How

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<v Speaker 7>did he get to this expensive lawyer, big big law firm,

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<v Speaker 7>the biggest in Pittsburgh. Where did he get this big

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<v Speaker 7>law firm from? It's so strange. If I were president

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<v Speaker 7>and a former president and a leading candidate, I'm the

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<v Speaker 7>leading candidate by far to be the next president.

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<v Speaker 2>And hold for applause, please jeez.

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<v Speaker 7>That leading candidate was under threat. I was president and

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<v Speaker 7>the candidate was under threat, any candidate, Republican or Democrat.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, I want to thank the.

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<v Speaker 7>Democrats because they just increased funding for the Secret Service,

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<v Speaker 7>who worked very hard. They increased funding for the Secret Service.

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<v Speaker 7>And nobody will believe this. It was a unanimous vote. Republicans,

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<v Speaker 7>every single Republican, every single Democrat president voted in favor.

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<v Speaker 7>That was a first unanimous vote.

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<v Speaker 2>Get what would you do if you were president.

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<v Speaker 7>And that's to increase the funding, yes, of the Secret Service.

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<v Speaker 7>So I thank everybody.

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<v Speaker 9>Back to the teleprompter, please, But if I were the president,

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<v Speaker 9>I would inform the threatening country in this case Iran,

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<v Speaker 9>that if you do anything to harm this person, we

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<v Speaker 9>are going to blow your largest cities and the country

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<v Speaker 9>itself to smitherines.

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<v Speaker 7>We're going to blow it to smitherings.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't do that.

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<v Speaker 6>I was wondering how he's gonna end that sentence.

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<v Speaker 3>He also said big threats on my life by Iran.

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<v Speaker 3>The entire US military is watching and waiting. He wrote

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<v Speaker 3>that on truth Social He said moves were already made

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<v Speaker 3>by Iran that didn't work out, but they will try again.

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<v Speaker 3>Not a good situation for anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm surrounded by more men, guns and weapons than I

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<v Speaker 1>have ever seen before. Okay, So, and Biden told the

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<v Speaker 1>co hosts of the View that he did not sense

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<v Speaker 1>an overwhelming reluctance from Democrats about his reelection effort.

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<v Speaker 6>Says he was confident he could have beat Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 7>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Griffin asked about Pelosi and about the pressure she

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<v Speaker 1>put on Democrats to urge him to drop out, and

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<v Speaker 1>he actually had pretty natural moment of everything's fine, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he just goes.

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<v Speaker 10>It makes sense. There are some folks who would like

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<v Speaker 10>to see me step aside so they have a chance

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<v Speaker 10>to move on. I get that that's just human nature.

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<v Speaker 10>But that wasn't the reason that I stepped down. I

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<v Speaker 10>stepped down because I started thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 3>He again, I don't know if you're a candidate like

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<v Speaker 3>that and you're surround I know he's the president, but

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<v Speaker 3>if you're a candidate and you're running for president or

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<v Speaker 3>any major seat like that, you've got people around you

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<v Speaker 3>who are going to lie to you about your chances

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<v Speaker 3>of win. After the debate, after the assassination attempt, Joe

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<v Speaker 3>Biden was going to drop so precipitously in those polls

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<v Speaker 3>that it wasn't It was not going to be close.

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<v Speaker 3>It was not going to be anywhere close to what

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<v Speaker 3>he imagined an actual what he imagined the election was

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<v Speaker 3>going to be, because you could not argue that all

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<v Speaker 3>of the momentum was behind Trump after those two events,

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<v Speaker 3>all of the momentum had Joe Biden gone into Chicago

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<v Speaker 3>at the convention and tried to deliver the closing argument,

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<v Speaker 2>Because no one asks me.

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<v Speaker 6>Why isn't that all? We're going to be ready?

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<v Speaker 6>Trees that lose their leaves?

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<v Speaker 6>Deciduous?

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<v Speaker 6>Justin Worsham is host of the Dad podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that, and I was waiting for you to see.

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<v Speaker 5>What I was.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like everyone everywhere.

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<v Speaker 11>just just imagining such a manly Justine exists there.

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<v Speaker 5>It's altered the universe. It's just this.

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<v Speaker 3>If they if they're going to remake that movie Multiplicity with.

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<v Speaker 11>Michael exactly, I need to revisit that. I've revisited mister Mom.

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<v Speaker 11>And that's a that's a good one.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what I never had. Mister Mom was such a

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<v Speaker 3>Did you and your wife talk about childcare? Like, how

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<v Speaker 3>are you guys going to handle it?

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<v Speaker 5>Or No?

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<v Speaker 11>It was never because I was so unemployed, that's true.

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<v Speaker 11>No schedules allowed for no, honestly. I mean when they

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<v Speaker 11>were infants, Yes I was.

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<v Speaker 11>I was building my stand up career at that point,

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<v Speaker 11>and anytime I had a road gig as my schedule

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<v Speaker 11>is getting busier. Natalie was so successful working at the

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<v Speaker 11>that was even a thing, and so and then eventually

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<v Speaker 11>At most for two kids to go there, I think

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<v Speaker 11>it was five days a week for a few hours,

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<v Speaker 11>was like nine hundred bucks a month. I did some

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<v Speaker 11>research and the average cost here in LA because this

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<v Speaker 11>eighty thousand dollars fifty thousand dollars for two children, eighty

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<v Speaker 11>thousand dollars for triplets, fifty thousand dollars for two children.

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<v Speaker 11>In different areas like Chicago and the Carolinas, on average,

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<v Speaker 11>people are spending twenty percent of their annual income on childcare.

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<v Speaker 11>But here in Los Angeles it ranges from two hundred

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<v Speaker 11>and sixty bucks a month up to four thy two

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<v Speaker 11>hundred and twenty dollars a month, which averages about fifteen

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<v Speaker 11>hundred a month, which and they're saying it. It's also

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<v Speaker 11>people are paying more for childcare in America than they

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<v Speaker 6>Kind of sense.

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<v Speaker 11>I know what makes sense, But it shouldn't right, Like

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<v Speaker 11>that shouldn't we shouldn't be so like yeah, get well.

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember this would have been early inn our

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<v Speaker 3>parenting career, so it's twenty plus years ago. But we

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<v Speaker 3>watched Dateline or twenty twenty or something like that, one

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<v Speaker 3>of the larger news magazine programs, and they discussed that

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<v Speaker 3>cost of childcare versus the cost of one of the

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Almost without fail, it was cheaper for a parent to

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<v Speaker 3>then to have both parents working, and then shoving all

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<v Speaker 3>of that money into childcare. That's still true because you've

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<v Speaker 3>got the I'm sure I shouldn't say because but and

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<v Speaker 1>I have a friend whose husband she out earns him,

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<v Speaker 1>she's the breadwinner, and her husband did that he stopped

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<v Speaker 1>working because they would save money he wasn't making as much,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would save a bunch of childcare for two kids,

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<v Speaker 1>and recently has gone needed to go back to work.

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<v Speaker 1>Because that's a hard thing to ask. That is a

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<v Speaker 1>really hard thing to ask of a mother or a

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<v Speaker 1>that satisfaction of earning money, going somewhere, having adult interactions

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<v Speaker 1>all the things right, especially for a man, I think

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<v Speaker 1>biologically speaking, and I don't know that's probably sexist to say,

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<v Speaker 2>Did use a keyword there what you said. I don't

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<v Speaker 6>I'm sorry, but you did open the segment.

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<v Speaker 5>Choice.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, recently he went back to workship because he

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<v Speaker 1>did need that, like he needed he needed to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to work and and there, and they're paying through

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<v Speaker 1>the nose. I mean, the kids are older now, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's not as you know, labor intensive as when they

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<v Speaker 6>It's just so driving them around to practices and things is.

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<v Speaker 5>Just well, and that's all.

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<v Speaker 11>We could talk even more about that, I think in

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<v Speaker 11>the next segment, because they're about the other article about

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<v Speaker 11>just people being way too stressed about parenting.

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<v Speaker 5>But I think this is part of the childcare thing.

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<v Speaker 11>Definitely is a thing in my experience when the kids

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<v Speaker 11>are younger, as they get more into school, it gets

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<v Speaker 11>I loved being the stay at home mom, like I

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<v Speaker 11>love that, like the whole thing about the role.

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<v Speaker 5>I love everything about the gig.

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<v Speaker 11>But I still wrestled with the idea that I was

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<v Speaker 11>a sandback to my wife that I wasn't a real

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<v Speaker 11>man because I couldn't bring home the majority of the money.

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<v Speaker 11>Now things have completely reversed, and I don't know that

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<v Speaker 11>I like it. I'm I don't know, being the man

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<v Speaker 11>in the relationship. That kind of sucks a little bit.

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<v Speaker 6>But a little bit of pressure.

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<v Speaker 5>Can I make cookies and bread at home? I'm really

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<v Speaker 5>good at it, all that pressure.

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<v Speaker 11>Whenever she wants to, By the way, I am a

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<v Speaker 11>very yeah, whenever she wants, guys, she barely.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll come back.

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<v Speaker 6>There is a new reports on the state of parenting

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<v Speaker 6>in America. It's like sixty minutes.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you dailed it. You're doing great, thank you. Everybody's stressed.

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<v Speaker 5>This I think goes off the heels you.

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<v Speaker 11>We didn't get a chance to talk about it because

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<v Speaker 11>when I came back, I talked about my debt's passing

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<v Speaker 11>and then no, no, why I giggled at that. Sorry

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<v Speaker 11>that but anyway, then the next week, you guys are gone,

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<v Speaker 11>and so we kind of hit on a little bit.

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<v Speaker 11>But the Surgeon General is basically put out like a

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<v Speaker 11>warning like they put on cigarettes, saying, hey, maybe you

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<v Speaker 11>shouldn't be a parent if you're not like up for

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<v Speaker 11>it because it's very hard, which is fascinating to me

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<v Speaker 11>on so many levels. But now they're talking about this

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<v Speaker 11>new data that's showing the forty percent of US parents

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<v Speaker 11>report that on most days they are so stressed they

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<v Speaker 8>Go for it.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to push back on this too, because I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not pushing back on the findings of the study.

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<v Speaker 3>I am pushing back generally that we have allowed people

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, you can. You clearly can't.

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<v Speaker 3>Your heart still beating, you're still drawing breath, You're not

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<v Speaker 3>how awful your circumstances are.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, we want to talk about how hard everything is.

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<v Speaker 11>And there's there's trust me, there's lots of societal benefits

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<v Speaker 11>of people being open about their struggles.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is that that used to not be the case?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's is it contagious too? Or people want

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<v Speaker 1>to just struggle and they want to.

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<v Speaker 11>That's yes, I think that they're they're definitely in the

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<v Speaker 11>I don't like it. I don't like the words that

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<v Speaker 11>that there's a lot of like a victim mindset of

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<v Speaker 11>unfair to actual victims.

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<v Speaker 5>That's right. My genuine opinion is that they're my kids.

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<v Speaker 11>I have teachers tell my kid that they have ADHD,

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<v Speaker 11>and I'm like, my kid doesn't have ADHD.

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<v Speaker 5>He just doesn't want to do your garbage social studies assignment.

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<v Speaker 5>That's it. That's not ADHD, And that's wildly.

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<v Speaker 11>Disrespectful to people who actually struggle with ADHD or depression.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just being a little boy.

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<v Speaker 11>Yes's and again, you could call me an insensitive father.

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<v Speaker 5>So you're blue in the face. I don't care. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But it also I mean that that labeling of something,

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<v Speaker 3>or mislabeling perhaps of what your kid's behavioral issue is

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<v Speaker 3>or lack of desire to do a homework assignment, then

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<v Speaker 3>gives them the excuse for the rest of their adolescents

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<v Speaker 3>where they're like, well, I I mean fourth grade, my

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<v Speaker 2>I famously ridiculously wrong.

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<v Speaker 11>I famously got in trouble at a PTA meeting when

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<v Speaker 11>my son was in kindergarten because we had a psychologist

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<v Speaker 11>come and they were talking about kids who are experiencing

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<v Speaker 11>like shaking my head, going but what like in elementary school?

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<v Speaker 5>And they as long.

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<v Speaker 1>As you have food to eat and a roof over

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<v Speaker 11>this a couple of times where I've just said, I go, Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 11>you've had a pretty good life and so therefore it's

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<v Speaker 11>hard for you to understand what real struggle feels like

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<v Speaker 11>you have to go through some adversity.

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<v Speaker 8>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>And there are parents who will put their stress on

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<v Speaker 3>their kids, right, And I don't know if it's because

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<v Speaker 3>they feel like they're keeping their kids informed about what

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<v Speaker 3>life is really like, but they'll they'll use their kids to,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, share their burdens, perhaps when the kids

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<v Speaker 3>are not equipped to do that. So there I think

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<v Speaker 3>there could be some instances where kids do have stress,

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<v Speaker 3>but not from elementary school.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember my mom working crazy hours as a nurse manager,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember her saying, you know, on more than

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<v Speaker 1>one occasion, like, oh, I'm just so stressed.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm just I've got to get this done. I've to

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<v Speaker 6>get this done.

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<v Speaker 1>And I never remember that permeating my my psyche or

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<v Speaker 1>what have you. I remember thinking, oh, it.

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<v Speaker 6>Sucks to have a job like that's how that was

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<v Speaker 6>my takeaway adult.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I will take away.

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<v Speaker 11>I will talk for a living. So I this is

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<v Speaker 11>my personal theories. I've read a lot of books on

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<v Speaker 11>parenting everything, and in the seventies there was this self

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<v Speaker 11>esteem movement in parenting where the idea was to make

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<v Speaker 11>your kid feel good about themselves. Those kids then grew

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<v Speaker 11>up and found out it was hard to always feel

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<v Speaker 11>good about yourself. And then it became about we've all

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<v Speaker 11>heard the it happens a lot in TV and movies

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<v Speaker 11>where it's like, oh, my father was emotionally unavailable. He

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<v Speaker 11>never told me he loved me, he never told me

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<v Speaker 11>he was proud of me, and even like, I've had

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<v Speaker 11>conversations with my brother and my mom since my dad's passing,

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<v Speaker 11>and it's shocking to me, but my dad's perception of

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<v Speaker 11>that if he showed emotion as far as like sadness

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<v Speaker 11>or tears. He saw that as weakness, which is not

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<v Speaker 11>the man that I thought.

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<v Speaker 5>I knew. That was not who I was. It's clearly

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<v Speaker 5>not who I am. That's a father.

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<v Speaker 11>But I think it starts there, right like if you're

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<v Speaker 11>coming out of this, if you're being raised by somebody

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<v Speaker 11>who doesn't feel things and sink thinks that if they had,

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<v Speaker 11>because I felt this as a father, where if I

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<v Speaker 11>start to feel like I showed them the chinks in

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<v Speaker 11>my armor, then what I feel like I'm doing is

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<v Speaker 11>I'm enabling them.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm saying it's okay to not try hard.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm saying it's okay to give up a little in

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<v Speaker 11>any incident, which.

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<v Speaker 5>Is not what I want.

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<v Speaker 11>I want to hold them accountable in every possible way,

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<v Speaker 11>to try to push them to be their best in

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<v Speaker 11>a way I think a dad becomes a coach like

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<v Speaker 11>that only twenty four to seven and there.

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<v Speaker 5>Is a balance.

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<v Speaker 11>But I feel like we've overcorrected and now everybody wants

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<v Speaker 11>to talk about their feelings and their weaknesses, and then

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<v Speaker 11>that becomes the thing to be proud of. But then

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<v Speaker 11>nobody's really got this, Like pulling it up by your

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<v Speaker 11>bootstraps and just suck it up. Buttercup mentality. It seems

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<v Speaker 11>not nobody, but you know what I mean, Like the

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<v Speaker 11>majority seems to be let's talk about our feelings and

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<v Speaker 11>speak truth to power.

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<v Speaker 2>M I don't like it like this.

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<v Speaker 11>The examples of what to do in this article are

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<v Speaker 11>take responsibility for telling your truth. Consider asking someone to

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<v Speaker 11>look out for you. Consider group based intervention versus family

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<v Speaker 11>based interventions, like you're you're pulling away from your family

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<v Speaker 11>members for fear of judgment.

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<v Speaker 5>Get in touch with your limits.

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<v Speaker 6>I like any of this.

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<v Speaker 5>Reframe your role as a parent. What the hell like?

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<v Speaker 11>I honestly, and all of the experts that I talked

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<v Speaker 11>to on the podcast would say, calm the f down,

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<v Speaker 11>like just cut yourself flat, thinking you're overthinking it and

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<v Speaker 11>this whole thing they can always say. The first line

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<v Speaker 11>in most of these articles that I read about parenting

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<v Speaker 11>is like in today's high demanding schedule of kids, and

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<v Speaker 11>they're over like whelmed, Like scheduling stop, just stop. Your

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<v Speaker 11>kid doesn't have to do everything. You know what they

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<v Speaker 11>need to do. They need to sit down and have

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<v Speaker 11>dinner with you and screw around and get to work

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<v Speaker 11>at school.

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<v Speaker 5>That's all. They don't have to do much more than that.

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<v Speaker 6>But what is your truth?

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<v Speaker 5>He up and get to work. There we go.

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<v Speaker 6>That's what I want to hear.

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<v Speaker 5>Read that the power there you get your chemistry work done.

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<v Speaker 6>Son, I feel like we've done real work here today.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm gonna go home and watch mister Mom Multiplicity first.

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<v Speaker 11>Watch Multiplicity First. Not as good as mister Mom, but

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<v Speaker 11>still I think, I think an underrated Michael Keaton vehicle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I will say that we lost her.

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<v Speaker 5>She's staring at a corner of the clock. She's literally staring

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<v Speaker 5>at the second tap.

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<v Speaker 6>No, please, let's do more, Michael Keaton and so please.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.

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