WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:03.480 Hi, everybody, and welcome to a brand new episode of 2 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:07.120 Second Take Cinema, coming at you from the Glorious Imparlor 3 00:00:07.160 --> 00:00:12.039 Film's headquarters in futuristic South End on Sea. I'm your host, 4 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:15.800 Jamie Evans, joined as always by Rory Jocelyn. I'm Burke, 5 00:00:16.879 --> 00:00:19.359 and today we are going back to the year of 6 00:00:19.399 --> 00:00:22.559 our Lord in nineteen eighty four to give a second 7 00:00:22.600 --> 00:01:26.400 take to the Terminator. The Terminator is a nineteen eighty 8 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:31.000 four American science fiction action movie directed by James Cameron, 9 00:01:31.280 --> 00:01:34.560 written by James Cameron and Gail Ann Hurd, and it 10 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:41.000 stars Arnold Schwarzenegger, Michael Bean, Lance Henrickson, and Linda Hamilton. 11 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:44.319 It was made for a budget of six point four 12 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:49.200 million dollars and grossed seventy eight point three million dollars 13 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:55.120 at the box office, defying all expectations of its Of 14 00:01:55.159 --> 00:01:56.959 the people who made it, they were expecting it to 15 00:01:57.040 --> 00:01:58.640 do a lot worse than that. 16 00:01:58.799 --> 00:02:01.079 Yeah, I'm not sure if flop would be the right term, 17 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:03.200 but they certainly didn't expect it to be the outrageous 18 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:03.959 success it was. 19 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:08.919 The Terminator has an approval rating of one hundred percent 20 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:14.240 on Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah, with the site's critical consensus, reading 21 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:19.360 with its impressive action, sequencers, taught economic direction, and relentlessly 22 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:22.919 fast pace, it's clear why The Terminator continues to be 23 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:27.280 an influence on sci fi and action flicks. It appears 24 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.800 on many lists of best movies ever made, and in 25 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:34.360 twenty nineteen, Hugh Fullerton of The Radio Times ranked it 26 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:38.080 as the second best film in the franchise, stating The 27 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:42.400 Terminator was a brilliantly original, visceral, and genuinely scary movie 28 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:45.319 when it was released in nineteen eighty four, and no 29 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:48.319 matter how badly the visual effects age, it hasn't lost 30 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:52.360 its impact. In twenty twenty one, DALLN. Rowl of slash 31 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:57.199 Film ranked it the fourth best film of James Cameron's career, stating, 32 00:02:57.280 --> 00:02:59.800 while its pacing and story structure isn't as tight as 33 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:03.000 it sequels, the Terminator remains one of the most iconic 34 00:03:03.039 --> 00:03:07.080 pieces of pop culture ever created. At the time, however, 35 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:11.319 reviews were a little bit more mixed. Variety praise to 36 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:15.439 the film, calling it a blazing cinematic comic book full 37 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:19.599 of virtuo so movie making, terrific momentum, solid performances, and 38 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:24.159 a compelling story. Schwarzenegger is perfectly cast in a machine 39 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:27.319 like portrayal that requires only a few lines of dialogue. 40 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:30.719 The Los Angeles Times called the film a crackling thriller 41 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:33.759 full of all sorts of gory treats, loaded with fuel 42 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:38.240 injected chase scenes, clever special effects, and sly humor. The 43 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:40.919 Milwaukee Journal gave the film three stars, calling it the 44 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:45.039 most chilling science fiction thriller since Alien. Other reviews criticized 45 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:48.919 the film's violence and storytelling quality. Janet Maslin of The 46 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:50.960 New York Times opined that the film was a B 47 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:54.879 movie with flair. Much of it has suspense and personality, 48 00:03:55.280 --> 00:03:59.120 and only the obligatory mayhem becomes dull. There is far 49 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:02.080 too much of the last in the form of car chasers, 50 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:06.560 messy shootouts, and mister Schwarzenegger's slamming brutally into anything that 51 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:07.479 gets in his way. 52 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:10.680 God, you'd hate modern movies then, because compared to modern movies, 53 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:13.319 the action in this is quite tame. Well, I wouldn't 54 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:16.560 say necessarily tame, because it works, but it's definitely pared 55 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:18.600 back compared to the bullshit we get now. 56 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:22.600 The Pittsburgh Press wrote a negative review, calling the film 57 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:26.040 just another of the films drenched in artsy ugliness like 58 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:30.120 Streets of Fire and Blade Runner. I think this motherfucker's 59 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:31.560 on the wrong side of history. 60 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:35.560 Oh yeah, fucking hell. Like we watch, We've so, we've 61 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:40.680 seen Fire. We watched Streeter Fire looks incredible, Like it's gorgeous. 62 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:45.199 Looking, just another films drenched in artsy ugliness like Streets 63 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:46.720 of Fire and Blade. 64 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:48.879 I don't like color in my film is essentially he's 65 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:51.240 said that that is like literally those three are like 66 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:54.120 three of the most gorgeous films of the early eighties. 67 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:58.000 He's literally just made the three most beautiful movies. Yeah, 68 00:04:58.199 --> 00:05:00.480 and god, this shite to see that. 69 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:05.680 The Chicago Tribune gave the film two stars, adding that 70 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:09.480 at times it's horrifyingly violent and suspenseful, at others it 71 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:14.000 giggles at itself. This schizoid style actually helps providing a 72 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:16.519 little humor just when the sci fi plot turns too 73 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:19.160 sluggish or the dialogue to hokey. 74 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:21.680 I'm going to imagine that's when the psychiatrist comes in, 75 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:23.759 is what he's referring to there, Because, as you mentioned, 76 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:25.759 basically is the film calling itself out. 77 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:29.839 The New House News Service called the film a lurid, 78 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:32.759 violent pretentious piece of clap trap. 79 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:33.680 Pretential. 80 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:35.839 I haven't heard the phrase clap trap used in one 81 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:37.079 of these reviews in a long time. 82 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:41.439 No, but also pretentious doesn't sound right. Okay, we'll get 83 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:43.160 to that. That's strange. 84 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:45.879 Oh, listen to this, because I see what we feel 85 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:50.879 about this. Scottish author Gilbert Adair called the film repellent 86 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:56.560 to the last degree, charging it with insidious Nazification and 87 00:05:56.639 --> 00:06:01.319 having an appeal rooted in an unholy compound of fascism, 88 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:03.160 fashion and fascination. 89 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:05.879 That's fascinating. I had no idea where he's picked up 90 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:09.319 any of that. There's no Nazi overtures, so fascism doesn't 91 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:10.879 necessarily require Nazi overtures? 92 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:11.680 Is it? 93 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:12.000 Maybe? 94 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.600 Because of these are the bad guys skying out the fascists? 95 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:18.879 Obviously surely, well, I can't see how you would view 96 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:23.759 Sarah Connor and Carl Reese's the fascists. So the only 97 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:27.279 one is Arnie, who is the villain. And I suppose 98 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:31.360 I think this motherfucker has some problems with history because 99 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:34.759 they Arnold Schwartzenegger is an Austrian. He's a very tall Austrian. 100 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:37.680 He's a very well built Austrian. He's got blonde hair 101 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:38.759 and blue wires. Austrian. 102 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:41.199 He doesn't have blonde hair, does he not? He's got 103 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:41.720 brown hair? 104 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:45.439 Oh, so he does. But he's either way, he's essentially 105 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:49.079 the uber Mensch sort of. So maybe all I can 106 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:51.040 think of is that he's seen the look of Arnie 107 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:53.399 in this film, and certainly how cool he looks when 108 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:55.720 he's got the leather jacket and stuff on, and has 109 00:06:55.759 --> 00:06:59.319 basically gone, that's them basically saying that this fascist ideology 110 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:02.800 is fine, but it's so surface level a read that 111 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:06.240 I would just disregard that without. 112 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:07.560 It's a shame he's dead. I'd like to know why 113 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:10.240 he said, I might look into him more. And Lastly, 114 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:14.040 in a retrospective review done years and years later, Peter 115 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:17.920 Bradshaw of The Guardian awarded it five out of five stars, 116 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:22.120 stating that on the strength of this picture, Cameron could 117 00:07:22.120 --> 00:07:26.439 stand toe to toe with Carpenter and Spielberg. Sadly it 118 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:30.079 spawned a string of pointless and inferior sequels, but the 119 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:34.800 first terminator stands up tremendously well, with out rageous verve 120 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:38.800 and blistering excitement. Hang on, he is he saying that 121 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:41.480 James Cameron could have stood with them based on the 122 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:44.639 strength of this picture and based on where his career 123 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:47.480 has gone. He doesn't anymore, which we would agree with 124 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:50.160 because we both hate Avatar and think it's a piece 125 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:50.639 of hack. 126 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:52.240 Shit, right, So I suppose it would depend on when 127 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:53.240 that review was made. 128 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:56.639 That must be that's a modern review. It's a retrospective, 129 00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:59.600 right right, Okay, because I mean, I'm glad to hear 130 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:01.439 my man happened to get in some shout out. 131 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:05.040 Come to the world deserves a shout out. The Yeah, 132 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:09.120 I'll be honest. Until let's say the Turn of the Millennium, 133 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:13.079 actually really rate James Cameron's back catalog. He didn't really 134 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:16.600 do much after two thousand. Avatar doesn't. Avatar is the 135 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:19.240 only one that really counts, and I didn't like it. 136 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:20.160 That's all he's done. 137 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:22.879 Well, he's done Avatar to the Way of Water, which 138 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:25.480 nobody ever saw, and somehow has broken Box off his record. 139 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:28.120 The point is he's I don't believe correctly. 140 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:31.240 He's trapped in Avatar Land, and he trapped himself there though, 141 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:33.720 and if it's to be believed, he will be trapped 142 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:34.919 there until the day he retires. 143 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:37.159 At this because he says there's like thirty films or something. 144 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:39.919 It's five. But look how long it took him to 145 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:41.960 make the second one. Yeah. If they're going to be 146 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:44.159 a gap, that money's in his sixties. 147 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:44.960 Yeah. 148 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:47.240 If there's a gap that big between all of them, 149 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:48.840 then our dot he's even going to finish, although I 150 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:50.600 think three and four he's filming back to that. 151 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:53.799 Yeah. But he was so he ded Terminator. He did 152 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:56.120 True Lies, which was very popular. He did the second 153 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:59.399 Alien film, which was very popular. He did The Abyss, 154 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:02.720 which was very popular. He also did a few other 155 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:06.200 films where he wasn't director, but he wrote and produced them, 156 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:11.399 such as Strange Days, Strange Days. I really rate Strange Days, 157 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:13.919 Don't get me wrong. It's got a lot of failures, 158 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:17.799 but it's a really good film, a really good cyber 159 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:21.919 punky film. He wrote a lot of gold and had 160 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:24.960 the potential of writing even more. But after Titanic he 161 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:27.039 basically went up that shit, I'm going under the sheer, 162 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:29.279 and then when he came back up for air, he 163 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:31.879 went the backstre. 164 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:37.960 Anyway, the Terminator. Do you remember when you first saw 165 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:38.639 the Terminator? 166 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:42.360 Rory So, I first saw Terminator two. Okay, I saw 167 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:45.360 them out of order. I remember when I saw Terminated two. 168 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:46.720 I won't go too much into it because it's not 169 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:50.000 the film we're reviewing yet, but my parents bought me 170 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:53.200 and my brother a VHS or got somehow, and like 171 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:56.559 a really old VHS player, and I mean really odd 172 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:58.919 for the time. It was like a late seventies VHS 173 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:03.960 player in like nineteen ninety nine, maybe two thousand, like 174 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:07.200 super late for how old I was. Some of the 175 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:10.080 first tapes we got. My parents had recorded Terminator Too 176 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:14.600 off the TV, so I watched it. So my first 177 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:18.919 introduction to Terminator Universe was T two and seeing Arnie. 178 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:21.200 I'd add none of the precursor as to how much 179 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:23.080 the horror was in the first one, because I hadn't 180 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:26.000 seen it, so, but I did know the twist that 181 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:29.200 he becomes good. So when I eventually got round to 182 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:33.279 seeing Terminator one, which was not for a little while afterwards, 183 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:37.080 trying to think of when I saw Terminator one, probably 184 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:39.519 around two thousand and five, maybe two thousand and six, 185 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:42.960 it would have been on a DVD. When I got 186 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:46.759 round to watching it, I was really surprised by how 187 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:52.360 evil Ernes Schwarzenegger's character was. Considering that my precursor to 188 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:56.440 that was T two, where he's the good guy. But yeah, 189 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:59.240 it's a brilliant heel turn. And I say heel turn 190 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:01.440 because he did the hell turn first, but you know 191 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:03.960 what I mean, it's he was very convincing in T two. 192 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:06.919 I then go back to watching Terminator one. It's a 193 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:10.200 completely different type of movie. They're both action movies to 194 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:12.919 a certain degree, and obviously both somewhat sci fi ish, 195 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:17.600 but Terminator two is basically all action, whereas Terminator one 196 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:22.240 is also very much a horror movie, monster of the week, 197 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:25.399 horror movie, really like it's the thing that it had 198 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:27.879 in common with the first Predator and the first Alien 199 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:30.600 film seemed to be a very common thing in the eighties, 200 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:33.360 and even though seventy nine f Alien, where you'd start 201 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:39.480 off with an iconic horror Killer one, Alien one, Predator 202 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:43.240 one Terminator and then you'd sequalize it with more action 203 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:46.960 was a very common reaction. And I can understand why, 204 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:49.679 because it's a way you can make it bigger, whereas 205 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:53.360 making it more horror. Usually making it bigger doesn't make 206 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:56.840 it more scary, so I can understand why they did that. 207 00:11:56.879 --> 00:11:59.120 But either way, yeah, it was a great he'll turn. 208 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:02.960 I remember enjoying it, but I will be honest, this 209 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:05.600 is one that's grown on me more and more from 210 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:09.080 my subsequent watches. The more I watch it, the more 211 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:12.200 I enjoy it. Yeah, rather than it wasn't one that 212 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:14.679 came out the gate as my favorite I watched, it 213 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:16.960 was Air T two. Still better. I'm now at a 214 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:20.000 point where I actually think it's better than T two. Yeah, 215 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:21.480 but yeah, so what about yourself? 216 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:24.360 So I did see them in order. My dad showed 217 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:29.240 me this and I loved it. Yeah, as you know, 218 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:31.279 I have a thing for horror anyway. 219 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:33.840 You can say a thing for naked ard all. 220 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:38.080 Well, yes that too. Obviously for me, the Slasher influence 221 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:41.879 on this is really clear. Yeah, my biggest memory of 222 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:45.720 it is the bit where he catches fire and then 223 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:51.759 the metal exoskeleton or sorry endoskeleton comes out of Yeah, 224 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:55.279 out of the flames. It stopped motion and whatnot. 225 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:57.720 But it was so cool because it had such limitations 226 00:12:57.720 --> 00:12:58.919 and yeah, it pulls it off. 227 00:12:59.039 --> 00:13:02.159 I remember watching that and it's feeling really impactful, and 228 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:04.200 I remember my I do remember my dad saying to me, 229 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:07.240 Arnie comes back in the next one, but he's the 230 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:10.679 good guy and I was like, how's that work? 231 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:12.080 How'd he come back? 232 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:14.399 And how do you get I remember my dad saying 233 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:17.039 that basically the good guys get him and reprogram him 234 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:20.879 and whatnot. But no, I, like you've just said, I 235 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:24.320 actually prefer T one to TEA two T too. I 236 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:27.440 like T too the Liquid Metal Terminators great, it holds up. 237 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:30.600 I find TEA to a little self indulgent. 238 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:32.600 I think what it is is, if you watch the 239 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:36.039 theatrical version of T too, it's actually better. I always 240 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:38.639 I'm one of these people that when I watch a film, 241 00:13:38.679 --> 00:13:40.799 if there is a longer director's cut that has more 242 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:42.679 of the stuff that the director want to put back in, 243 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:45.240 that will be the version I watch. And for films 244 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:48.399 like say Star Trek two Rath of Calm, that's fine 245 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:51.360 because it's actually only slightly longer, and the scenes they 246 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:54.720 add back in add emotional weight. With T two, the 247 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:57.960 director's cut is like an extra fucking hour or something 248 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:00.600 like this, an egregious edition for what should be an 249 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:03.279 action movie, and I get I start to struggle to 250 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:05.919 finish it. Whereas I think if I went back to 251 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:10.080 the theatrical release, I would enjoy it a lot more 252 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:13.919 because of the shortened run time, but I always dick 253 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:17.600 myself over by go we've got to watch the director's 254 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:21.000 version of them, and I need to remember not to 255 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:24.960 do that next time I watch. Whereas Terminator one, you 256 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:28.080 just watch it and it's right on the money each time. 257 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:33.000 No, no, no, Yeah. I think this film is probably 258 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:36.960 the fourth or fifth time I've seen it, and it 259 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:40.240 totally holds up for me. Yeah, even some of the bits. 260 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:43.399 The thing that's aged the worst is the haircuts. 261 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:48.679 Yeah, and the scooter and the scooters Sarah Sarah Connor's 262 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:52.240 scooter is so eighties it hurts. Yeah, the square front 263 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:52.799 and everything. 264 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:55.639 The effects really haven't aged that much for me, because 265 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:58.600 I am one of these old biddies who still thinks 266 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:02.120 that practical is better. Practical is better, like stop motion 267 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:06.120 looks better. The miniatures that are used in the future scene. 268 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:09.559 They actually don't do a lot of stop motion. They 269 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:10.919 do less than I remember. 270 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:13.200 Pretty much. Only when the skeleton comes out. 271 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:15.039 Well yeah, but even then a lot of that isn't 272 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:15.519 stop motion. 273 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:17.639 No, it's only when you see his full body moving, 274 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:21.960 when it's half a body. He's clearly got a pupper 275 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:23.399 teer under him moving him. 276 00:15:23.559 --> 00:15:26.240 Yeah, and that which means that you get a lot 277 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:30.440 less of the jank, and because he he's smart to 278 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:33.080 cut around it. Because you don't see a lot of that, 279 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:35.919 you just see enough you get the meaning of it 280 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:38.080 while without having to see a lot of the jank, 281 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:40.279 because we're seeing a lot more at full frame. 282 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:41.759 And to be fair, I just thought the jank worked 283 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:42.960 because it's a fucking robot. 284 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:45.559 Yeah, yeah, that does help. If it was meant to 285 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:47.720 be like a biological monster, it would look weirder. 286 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:51.360 I think the action in this film does does work. 287 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:54.159 As you know, I'm not a big action guy, but 288 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:56.600 I'm especially not a modern action guy because I think 289 00:15:56.639 --> 00:15:59.440 we've talked about this before, but the way modern action 290 00:15:59.799 --> 00:16:03.840 is shot and cut together, it can become difficult to 291 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:08.039 tell what's happening in a scene or to understand where 292 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:11.559 everyone else is in Well, you know, we recently covered 293 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:13.399 I don't know if it will come out before this 294 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:16.279 or not, but we recently watched over on our other 295 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:21.200 show VGMP resident Evil Afterlife, Yes, and we talked about 296 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:24.399 how there's a bit at the climax of that film 297 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:28.159 where the villain Albert Wesker is having a fight with 298 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:32.639 Chris and clear Redfield whilst Millerjovivic's character Alice is there 299 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:37.919 with these two zombie dogs, and literally the film basically 300 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:42.399 pauses Alice to let the Chris Clear and Wescer fight happen, 301 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:46.360 and you can see Millerdjovivic in the background just waiting 302 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:50.919 for just standing there, and you're like, a better director 303 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:56.240 and editor would have made this feel more. 304 00:16:56.840 --> 00:16:59.120 These two fights happened at the same time rather than 305 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:02.759 into each whereas at the moment Miller pauses while this 306 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:06.640 fight happens, and then once that fight finishes, Miller starts, Yeah. 307 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:09.079 There are never any bits in this film, at least 308 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:12.839 for me, where suddenly the Terminator will appear. 309 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:14.519 Somewhere and I'm like, hang, I know he was over 310 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:19.039 there a minute ago. It always feels consistent, which makes 311 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:23.640 the cat and mouse nature of the film feel more realistic, 312 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:26.720 and it allows you to feel the tension from it more. Well, 313 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:29.680 what's smart about it is the Terminator does lose track 314 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:32.160 of Sarah Connor and Cole Reice a couple of times, 315 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:34.480 so it's got no way to know where they are. 316 00:17:35.079 --> 00:17:37.599 But rather than just do what a lot of lesser 317 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:40.319 directors and writers would do, which is just oh, it's 318 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:40.799 found them. 319 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:43.359 Just get on with it. Oh scary, it found them, 320 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:47.920 walked through the wall. There's always a process that we see, 321 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:50.519 and it doesn't take very long because it's so it's 322 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:54.599 very economical with its time. We see the process of 323 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:58.359 how the terminator picks back up the trail. So it 324 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:01.480 goes in to when it it's going around killing every 325 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:03.519 Sarah Connor in the town because all it knows is 326 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:06.759 the name and the rough location, so it's going through 327 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:09.519 the phone book and killing every Sarah Connor. When it 328 00:18:09.519 --> 00:18:12.400 goes to kill the real Sarah Connor, it's actually after 329 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:17.279 it's her flatmate Ginger and her boyfriend. It kills both 330 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:20.920 of them and essentially would assumed job done. Sarah Connor 331 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:23.759 basically gives herself away by calling in and leaving a 332 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:28.000 voice smail on the answer machine and he goes, I'm 333 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:30.079 at this club, please come and help blah blah blah 334 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:31.960 blah blah, and he's cool, I'm gonna go there, And 335 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:34.119 it doesn't say any of that, but it's basically think 336 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:36.079 it's great, I'm gonna go over there, and Murcer for 337 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:39.920 real so travels down there, finds her, and then they 338 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:41.960 leave shoot it with the shotgun a few times and 339 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:45.119 it loses track of them. So the way it catches 340 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:48.359 the track again is it steals a police car and 341 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:50.559 then it listens in over the wire as to when 342 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:52.680 it they pick up the vehicle that they left in 343 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:55.440 and then it goes there and then it picks up 344 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:57.920 on the police wire that they've been the suspects of 345 00:18:57.960 --> 00:18:59.799 being found in court and brought to the police station. 346 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:02.000 That leads to it then doing the raid on the 347 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:05.960 police station. So we're at no point do we get 348 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:11.279 this normal movie bullshit where it's just like and suddenly 349 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:13.960 a terminator appears because the plot. 350 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:15.720 Needs the terminator to find them. 351 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:18.559 At this point, no, you know how the terminator has 352 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:21.799 found them in you know what. Actually, some people go, well, 353 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:23.480 it's a bit more creepy if you don't know how 354 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:26.920 it found out, and yeah, you don't want everything over explained. 355 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:30.000 But actually adds to this enemy that it's not a 356 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:32.799 mystical piece of bullshit, because we know it's not We 357 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:35.119 know it's not a monster, we know it's not a 358 00:19:35.319 --> 00:19:41.240 you know, a psychic other worldly thing. It's a machine. 359 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:44.640 So it has to have a process. So if you 360 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:48.480 were just like, well, somehow a machine psychically knew people 361 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:52.079 were in location, it would pull you completely out the film. 362 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:54.079 And to be fair to James Camerony figured that. I 363 00:19:54.079 --> 00:19:55.799 also like the fact that there's a lot of minor 364 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:59.960 characters that actually have some relevance. They don't do it 365 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:03.519 a lot, but like the two Cops, Lance Hendrickson, and 366 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:06.160 he was another big name. He was also in Rather Card, 367 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:10.319 he was the captain. But the two cops have quite 368 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:13.279 a bit to do. They have a personality of their own, 369 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:14.960 and they have a back and forth of their own. 370 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:19.200 And then you have the doctor who's the psychologist. He 371 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:20.839 has quite a big bit to do. And that's the 372 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:24.119 bit I was talking about earlier where he essentially calls 373 00:20:24.160 --> 00:20:26.839 out the film. And you mentioned when we were watching 374 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:28.680 that this is actually quite smart because it gets the 375 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:31.039 nerds on side. Were the nerds to be sitting there 376 00:20:31.039 --> 00:20:32.960 going but why would they only send one robot back? 377 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:35.359 Why would they only do like all the bullshit that 378 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:38.759 comes with this narrative. You have a character in there 379 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:44.279 calling it out openly. Paul Winfield was Paul win He's legend, 380 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:47.920 He's been in loads of stuff. But yeah, he yeah. 381 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:49.839 So you have this character that's almost the voice of 382 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:52.920 the nerds that would pull the script apart, and that 383 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:55.400 basically means that you get a very short scene of 384 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:58.920 him grilling Kyle Reese and kyl Ree's going, fucking cares 385 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:01.599 about your shit, and you go, yeah, actually it doesn't matter. 386 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:02.480 There's a terminator. 387 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:07.640 One thing I love about this film as well is 388 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:14.000 the gradual and continual degradation of Arnold Schwarzenegger into being 389 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:17.200 the terminator. So when he first turns up, obviously he 390 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:22.799 looks perfect and perfect, you know, not a blemish on him. Yeah, 391 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:25.759 and then he gets he takes a few gun shots first. 392 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:28.400 Then he like goes through those flames, doesn't he. That 393 00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:32.599 burns his eyebrows off, Yes, and cinders his hair, so 394 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:36.720 his hairstyle changes. Yeah, so you get this cool effect. 395 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:39.680 And then as the film progresses, bits of the skin 396 00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:42.599 start to come off and you see like the metal 397 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:43.680 chassis underneath. 398 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:46.440 Yeah, he's rotting on his eyeball, he's got a broke, 399 00:21:46.519 --> 00:21:49.599 he's ripped his arm open, Yeah, he's got Yeah, he's 400 00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:53.599 slowly becoming exposed. But as he becomes more exposed, he 401 00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:57.000