Speaker 1: She analyzed UFO footage from inside a Pentagon task force.
Nine days ago, the Trump administration released twenty eight declassified
UFO videos, the biggest official Pentagon UAP release ever. She
still works inside US intelligence. She also reads the dead.
In twenty twelve, she died on an operating table. After
she came back. The visits started. Today, She's back to
react to what the Pentagon just released and to talk
about the day she came back. Welcome to the Good
Trouble Show. I'm Matt Ford. Nine days ago, the Trump
administration released twenty eight declassified UFO videos through the New
Pursue System, the biggest official Pentagon UAP drop since the
twenty twenty Navy footage. Today we're going to look at
them with someone who used to look at the stuff
from inside the building. And we'll also get to a
popular mechanics piece that just dropped this week, a story
about her you need to hear.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: Our guest today is a former National Geospatial Intelligence Agency analyst,
a Pentagon Air Force nuclear analyst, and a former analyst
on the Department of Defense UAP task Force. She still
works inside the intelligence community today as a geospatial intelligence
engineer for Army ten Cap. I'm not sure what Army
ten cap is, but we'll find out. She's also a
psychic medium and this week she's on the cover on
Popular Mechanics. We should note that Sarah is appearing tonight
in her personal capacity. Her views are her own and
do not represent the US Army, the Department of Defense,
or the federal government. Please welcome back to the show,
Sarah again. Sarah, how are you.
Speaker 3: Hi? I have been okay. Yeah, it's been a typical
chaotic day to day, so I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1: Awesome And uh yeah, because you you were out doing
a little little softball I believe, is that right?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, I was playing softball and every once in
a while I have a gravity check and that happened today,
so I ended up taking a head dive into the
dirt at one point. So nice to be clean right now.
Speaker 1: Oh god? Yeah, you know, I am like the least
coordinated person you will leave ever meet. Like I I sucked.
I'm like I was like the guy in uh in
elementary school in middle school that no one wanted to
pick to bit to be on be on their team.
I was busy geeking out to other things. It was.
It certainly wasn't wasn't athletics. So I think it's been
around eight months, maybe longer since our last conversation. Last
time you were on I remember you were kind of
brand new to go to going public. How are you
doing after after kind of going off full Kimona?
Speaker 3: That was you're in You're in some some sort of
time warp. That was a year over a year and
a half.
Speaker 1: Ago, wasn't. Oh wow, Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, life has been I'll call it a roller coaster.
I have experienced more than what I thought I would
and also exactly what I thought I would during this time.
I expected, you know, negativity and not kind people. I
didn't anticipate it to be at the level that it
has been. A lot of lessons learned, a lot of
you know, clarity in i'll call it people's intentions. So
I guess I don't know, it's been a roller coaster.
I have met so many amazing people, and I just
I feel truly grateful and blessed overall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I remember back then and again, this is
the time warp. So I may have may have forgotten,
but you were actually you were pretty scared at that
point about, you know, really going out there and and
talking about ther UAP experience. Know back when when we
had you on the show, you know, I was kind
of looking at this whole thing, is like, let's just
like focus on the nuts and bolts part and not
the WU and all of that. So, so I know
when I had you on, I said, let's, you know,
let's just stick stick to that. But but you know,
that's really was really the main reason I wanted to
have you back, in addition to talking about these Pentagon videos,
was to talk about this whole other side of you
that we never got into on the show a year
and a half ago or whatever it was. So so
are you cause I know at the time you were
pretty scared about the whole thing about coming out. Did
you receive any kind of sort of professional pushback or
professional repercussions after appearing on the show.
Speaker 3: No, I never have until some well known people were
well known in the UAP community worst Land during the
to discredit me. So I never had any pushback from
my co workers, from my security officers, because I report
everything to my security I I I joke that I
from the Goonies movie when Chunk is like being kind
of interrogated on on stuff, and he just like word
vomits all the things that's meat to my security officer
because I don't want to risk anything to me, Like
I my heart is in this topic, but it's not
worth my career.
Speaker 1: So I.
Speaker 3: Like I report myself all the time for most of
my podcast appearances, so luckily security knew what was happening
in the background, uh when I was being attacked and slandered.
So other than that, no, everybody has been either super
supportive and they'll ask questions once in a while, or
I even get people that don't care at all. They're like, okay,
that's cool, Like I got I gotta go home and
deal with my kids and you know, take my kids
to sports or and cook for the family or whatever.
So I feel very fortunate that no one has really
cared or they've invested in a optimistic curiosity way.
Speaker 1: Is that right? And feel free if if there's anything
that you want to address about you know, I know
you said there maybe were some kind of misrepresentations of
you after your your appearance. You're more than welcome to
address that here or we can we can move on
totally up to you.
Speaker 3: I don't I appreciate that, Thank you. I didn't anticipate that.
I I don't know if I want to address it
because it's in the past, and I don't think even
name calling and bringing up the people is worth it.
It's very unfortunate by how unprofessional the individuals were and
the people they gotten involved with it, for all of
them involved to not fact check because a lot of
the things they were saying about me I had publicly
said otherwise. Yeah, and for the truth to come out
eventually as well was pretty validating. So I just I
just want to leave it as a disappointment in myself,
Like not in myself, but it's a it's a disappointment
for the unprofessionalism that was done, and it's in the past.
Speaker 1: I completely understand. And I was talking about sort of
professional repercussions. I know, when we were sort of setting
this interview up, talking about what we were going to
speak about, you had mentioned that some of these videos
that the Pentagon released you had actually looked at and uh.
And one of the things that I said was, you know,
it'd be really cool if you could say on air, oh, yeah,
this is this is a video that I analyzed and
what happened with that?
Speaker 3: My security office, an officer said no, no, I mean
he said a lot more words than that, but appreciated
me asking and for just you know, not worth it
type reasons and many others that it is not smart
for me to say, yes, I know what that is.
I've seen that and helped with that one. So I
cannot officially, you know, point a finger and say I
did that or I didn't.
Speaker 1: So so nine days ago, Trump releases these The Trump
administration released these twenty eight D classified videos and it
was something I think you called the pursue system or
something like that. What was your reaction when you saw
the news? You know, of course, one of the issues
with putting out any kind of video or photo is
that you're always going to have a group of people
that are going to be disappointed because you know everybody.
It's kind of like, you know, you hear about a
movie from so many people and they really like hype
it up, and no matter how good the movie is,
because you've had all of this hype, when you go
to see the movies, sometimes you're let down. What was
your reaction were you let down or were you pretty
pretty excited about it?
Speaker 3: I'll run through the emotions. Initially, super duper excited. I
didn't expect so many pages worth of information out there,
and I thought it was a massive step for the
government itself. I mean, in the early days when we
talked about disclosure, what that meant was the government. One
of the things that it meant was the government acknowledging
it had classified data for decades of UAPs and UFO's
out there. And that happened. So that was a huge moment,
and I felt so so proud, might tear up because
I teared up a lot that day, and I would
look back through the data and I just I felt
so proud to have even a small fraction of a
part in it that I just I had so many
feelings of emotions of pride and happiness. And then when
I really started looking at the data, it was a
little bit of a disappointment. But I've been saying in
my interviews this whole time, for anybody who's seen my
past interviews that I knew the public would be disappointed
because it's hard to see in the data, just like
what will probably go through now, it's so hard to
depict what is what if it's anomalist or if it's
just like a bird or a dot, so I mean,
that's that same stuff was still rolling through my head.
But when I started seeing familiar videos, it was such
a proud moment. I've been saying there's so much out
there that is classified that could be released, and it happened.
But wait, the Apollo stuff, Oh my gosh, the photos.
The photos were my favorite thing. I kept on staring
at them and in awe. And of course, like the
transcript and those kinds of things had been released before,
I had never thoroughly read them, like start to finish,
so that was my first time really sitting down and
reading those as well. But those Apollo photos, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those were something else. And and the thing I
was most bummed about was the Apollo photo that has
what looks to be a triangle craft above the lunar surface.
That photo had been given to me like two years
ago by a source, and I remember looking at it going,
you know, holy shit, this is a really big deal.
And then with my typical severe ADHD, I completely forgot
about it and it went into some file folder and
when it came back, I'm like, oh, I totally forgot
I had that photo stashed around, but yeah, it was.
It was really really really pretty pretty impressive, you know.
And the thing the thing I'll say is, I mean, look,
no other president has done what Trump has done as
far as saying, okay, we're going to put this stuff out.
Uh it just it's never happened. So you know, my
hat is off to the administration. My hat is off
to President Trump for for taking this on. And you know,
and and look, this is the first batch of videos.
I would suspect it's like it's like, you know, you
go to some fine dining place. You know, you're you're
going to get an appetizer, they're going to set the
table before you're going to move on to the real,
real meat of the issue and and move on to
the real, real meal. And who is that.
Speaker 3: At scriptime? He decided to join like he tends to.
Speaker 1: So oh yeah, I love cat. Unfortunately he's welcome on
the show, on the show anytime. But anyway, Yeah, so
I I you know, I wasn't disappointed. I mean, sure,
it would have been great to see like a close
up of the tic tac or or you know, something
like that. But but just the fact that these came out,
and the fact that they came out on a government website.
It wasn't like, oh here, you know, give it to
the New York Times. You guys, do what do with
it whatever you want. I mean, this was the government
putting us out. So I think I think it's a win.
I certainly hope we get to see more compelling stuff.
I have a feeling that we will. I know, Anna
Polina Luna is really fighting for that. Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I'm really I'm really hopeful though that like this, like
this first round is like prepping for bigger and better, right,
so we'll get to of course, my I'm a very
big optimist. I think everybody out there knows that about me,
or else it wouldn't be in the seat and continue
talking about what I do. But I'm really hopeful, and
in my beautiful mind that I have, it's like the
next round will be be you know, aircraft recovery documents,
and then perhaps either that one or the next one
will be bodies that had been recovered and details of
like the military involvement, because they were a huge factor
and a lot of these recovery missions. So I know
that's a lot of optimism people. But I'm going to
stay hopeful and I'm going to hope and manifest for that.
Speaker 1: I absolutely love that. So before we get into these videos,
and I just kind of picked a batch of what
I thought were interesting and then some that I think
were maybe not so interesting. But I think it's always
good to kind of, you know, be able to compare
the good stuff to maybe the stuff that is not
quite as compelling. And of course I think that there
were a few of them that were debunked by by
Mick West, and he was probably a in a debunking,
so so I think that that's certainly useful too. But
before we roll into any of these, give us give
us a crash course as an image analyst. What do
you look for when you you know, when you're looking
at this kind of footage, what's uh, you know, what's
the test the kind of the tests that you run.
And of course we understand you can't speak about anything
classified or or any anything that kind of relates to
classified processes or whatever, but is there a way of
kind of explaining to us what you do in your
in your professional job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the first thing if I get a video
or an image, I look at the whole thing multiple
times and don't take it for face value anymore. It's
sometimes when you look at things like one of the
videos that you're going to show is the eight point
at star face volume, WHOA, that's crazy, and then when
you actually hit the plenty button that tells a different story.
So when you look at all of the data that
you have, you have to think about each point right. Unfortunately,
they didn't release any metadata or any background data for
the videos, include like weather data is important as well,
but I understand because of it being from a classified
sensor and a classific classified platform, because you don't want
like we maybe I should say we is in the
US and analyes don't want our adversaries having our technology,
so we wouldn't want them having our sensor data if
they don't have it already. So I get not releasing
metadata also really frustrating from a scientist because that's super
important to look at it. So I feel like I'm like,
you know, like the judgment thing the way scales like
like balanced right now, because I don't want our sensitive
proprietary information out, but I also want it out so
we could properly analyze the data. So that's what I
would do. I would look at it as a whole.
A few times. I would start researching weather, what the
wind was, like, the cloud level. I would start that.
Those would be my first steps, and then it would
be of course, the location, reaching out to people analysts
that might be more familiar in the area who reported this,
So was it a person, was it a pilot, and
reach out to them to get more information from them,
like did they have emotions and feelings while they saw
some of these, because that that is also a big factor. Yeah,
I can.
Speaker 1: I'll leave it with that, sure, But in general, like
people can look at this stuff and I would imagine
come to a pretty good conclusion on their own without
having a big technical background, right, Like, it's it's some
of the stuff. I think it's probably pretty obvious, right, Oh.
Speaker 3: Absolutely some of it. I immediately, like I said, the
eight pointed Star, when you first see it, you're like, WHOA,
that's crazy, And then when you see the entire video,
you're like, that's something's not right here. The mathing math mathing,
and you could easily pick up that it's likely not
a UAP.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So let's uh, let's dig into some of
this here. Okay, so thank you for having me on
to do this. Oh no, no, absolutely, So I'm a
little bit disorganized today, but you know, try and try
and get my acts together. Okay. So so this one is, uh,
it's an unresolved UAP report in the Middle East. I'm
going to play it here and just feel free to
comment or and this thing will be on a loop.
So uh yeah, So so here's this one, and again
this is all on a loop, so uh gonna fly.
Speaker 3: On my screen. That's really hard to see. Oh there's okay, okay,
so that's the eight point of start that I was
talking about. You could see the smoke trail and then
often too, I don't know which side people are seeing this,
but on one of the sides you could see something
that's like kind of floating. It was pretty quickly debumped
like it was a parachute and a flair. But that so,
when you have an ire A thermal camera, there's pixel saturation,
and different levels of saturation mean different things. And and
then again, if you had the beta data, you could
actually measure the hotness of some event and do more
nerdy things with the data that way. But from me
just looking at this without hitting play on this video.
The first time I saw it, I immediately knew this
was not a UAP because of the significant pixel saturation.
Oh there it goes, so you can see like the
little parachute up there. Oh yeah, and bec because of
that eight pointed star. That's significant pixel saturation, and so
it creates the star wars. And that's similar to there's
a really famous Hubble image that was taken I think
in the mid nineties or something I forget when mid
to late nineties, and it's of like thousands of galaxies
in the image and then a couple of stars. You
can easily pick out which are the stars in the
image because they have a smaller starbars pattern like that.
This is more because it's hot hot. The stars aren't
is hot because it's there's so much a distance there.
But yeah, so there's a little bit of image analyst
work there for you and image scientists actually, right.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, now that was that was definitely interesting. Okay.
Number two here this is from what I understand, first
ever AFRICAM video. What is AFRICAM.
Speaker 3: Africa Command. So the military breaks up some branches of support,
so you have Sintcom Central Command africam Africa. So there's
different regions of throughout the world that is divided. So
when you say sentcom, you know that's the Middle East.
Speaker 1: Okay, well a lot.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's proper what the proper term is anymore.
Sorry if I got that wrong.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no problem, okay. So let's see here. This
is video number two. This one's pretty short. It just
looks like there's something sort of shooting shooting down. You
can barely see it at the bottom of the screen.
Speaker 3: Oh, Katie, we see it of ice screen. For some reason.
The only thing I see on the main screen for
me is the the web page.
Speaker 1: Hmm okay, that's uh oh, I think I know. Why
hold on one second. Let's see I'm gonna dump out
of this.
Speaker 3: So while we're holding on, I could actually talk, if
that's okay, sure, yeah, I was so regarding the whole
Oh there it is. I can hould off on what
I was going to say because it's there.
Speaker 1: Okay, go for it. So yeah, so all I see
is just at the very bottom of white dot kind
of floating by, sort of unremarkable.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So things like this, I would I mean, when
we would get similar things during the Task Force days.
It was hard to prove or disprove because it was
so quick. And then you also don't know so many
factors of course, like all the data is blocked out there, right,
so you don't know altitude, you don't know speed, you
don't you don't know anything regarding this sensor in this
platform from what we could see here, but you would
start looking more into okay, that that that was probably
a bird type things that might not be duplicated. It
was really small, so that would it wouldn't necessarily be
unidentified as in it's a UAP, but unidentified is as
and we just don't have have enough data to say
what it is or what it is.
Speaker 1: That okay, gotcha, gotcha? Okay, So let's see here next one.
So this is unresolved. You a p report, Department of
the Army, twenty twenty six. The location is North North America.
It's the most most recent incident in this release. Department
of the Army. Submitter said it was it was rare.
So let's see here. So this is what number three?
What are we looking at?
Speaker 3: Hold on, Delijah, No, I'm just looking I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's okay to me.
Speaker 3: Like it's it. I don't know, it's like a boat
to me. People probably aren't happy with this, but there's
some sort of because it's so bright, you see like
a light pattern that's above, so that again kind of
goes with, oh gosh, it's not going to be in
the right term. It's not pixel saturation, but I forget
the right term for that. I don't know. If I
looked at this one the other day, that is really funny.
I could a store. I looked at everything.
Speaker 1: No, no, that's okay, So yeah, I it's it's again
it's like really kind of hard to tell, like what
is going on with this?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: It almost like when I'm looking at it, it's sort
of like looks like two car headlights, but there really isn't.
Just kind of looking here at.
Speaker 3: The what it also looks like to me because I
when I was in North Carolina looking at the Brown
Mountain lights, it looks whenever you're looking through like night vision,
it looks like two hikers with headlamps on. Like that's
what the looked like to be. But I'm not saying
that's what that is, of course, but I'm just saying
it resembles it I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know is this did it?
Speaker 3: Does the report say if it's in the air see
that again. You can't see any metadata. You don't know
if you're looking at water, if you're looking at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what. I'm not quite sure on
this one, so you.
Speaker 3: Know, And because that looks like a boat, yeah, back
to me, yeah.
Speaker 1: Right in the camera, Hold on a second, I'll bring
it back up again. Yeah, because it like it almost
sort of looks like it's you have the two sort
of main circles, but then if you look at circles alike,
but then if you look below it, it looks like
they're being reflected off of a surface exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it's almost like the wake as well,
like if if this is a boat. So I again
you know, no metadata, you can't tell. So it's really frustrating.
But it does look like it's looking at water, looks
almost like a week is behind it, perhaps you know,
the moon's illuminating or something. But that doesn't look like
it's unidentified. It's like it doesn't look like a UAP
to me. And it's not moving, you know, erratically, but
you don't know if it's parallax either because there's no metadata.
Speaker 1: Right, okay, And you've described this as kind of like
flipping through a rollo deex of known explanations until there's
something that doesn't fit. Like obviously you're you're looking at
this right now and you're like, yeah, it looks like
it looks like a boat, you know. So how often
would you say that stuff you in the UAP world
that you've come across, Like if you were to assign
a percentage of stuff that you were able to assign
a prosaic explanation to, what would that percentage be versus
like the stuff you look at and you're like, I
don't know what that is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I never like putting a percentage on this
because I never I make it up on the spot
because it's really small and people work in numbers, so
it's to me just really frustrating that. I mean, I
really don't know, but it's a really small percentage, so
like you know, five to ten percent or actually like
five percent or less type thing, because a lot of
them are just like the data that we see on
the website right now, we really it's inconclusive, right, Like
you don't know if one of them is a balloon
floating on the wind, or parallax, or if it's a
bird in parallax because you know. So parallax for those
that don't know, is when the objects right in front
of you they move, they seem to be moving at
a different speed than something behind you. So it's like
when you're writing in a car and you're looking out.
The stuff right on the side of the road looks
to be moving really fast, but if you're looking at
you know, mountain neer or a mountain in the background
that doesn't look to be moving much at all. So
that's parallax. The different types of movement according to your
reference point, which is your eyeballs or the sensor.
Speaker 1: Okay, got it, all right, Let's see here we are
on too. Let's see what this is. Number four. This
is unresolved u A P Report INDO pac Com. Department
of War Location, INDO pac Com. Let's see. Uh all right,
let's see this is what number four?
Speaker 3: You're so tiny, that's so frustrating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's you know, so when I'm looking at
this one like this feels I mean.
Speaker 3: To me, this would be like if I was an
analyst in my seat researching it The first thing I
would do is look up the weather data because to
me that that doesn't look like a UAP. It's not
making the sudden movements. It's not doing maneuverables. You don't know.
We have no idea what the camera's doing. I know,
wind farm. Maybe it's a bird because it's like making
like the gradual movements. I really don't know. So I'm
just spitballing right now. I would need to look at
more data. I mean, going through the wind farm does
look pretty crazy, but I don't see any sudden stops yet.
I don't see any sudden acceleration or altitude like very
quick altitude changes.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do here. Let me see if
I can.
Speaker 3: I think we could rule out it's not a balloon
because it is kind of going all all over the place.
Speaker 1: I was trying to see if I can pause, if
I can see you trying to see if I can
pause it where I don't know, if I'll be able
to get the frames like behind or something. Yeah, that's
uh because it's.
Speaker 3: A good capture and so Indo Paycolm is in an
area where there are a significant amount of UAPs reported,
So having this long of a video, and for them
to release it, I think is amazing. I just you
need you need more, you need more background information to
really figure out if it's a U, A P or not.
Speaker 1: Now what's interesting here. It may be difficult to see
on on your smaller screen, but I was able to
freeze it at a point where it looks like it
looks like the orb is being cut in half by
by that by that windmill, which which I'm guessing from
what I'm looking at here is it would be to
the foreground or be in front in front of this thing. Uh,
And I'm not going to be able to kind of
let's see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't see it. So sometimes with thermal cameras
you also get I'm not remembering the proper term right now,
but it's uh, it's it's an artifact of the thermal sensor.
I'm not saying that's what that is here because I
can't see it, and I don't. I've learned my lesson
and I don't want to lean into my camera into
my my laptop screen to look at it.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 3: No one needs to see this that closely my face.
Speaker 1: Wait, and I can't.
Speaker 3: To me, I would, I would just call this unidentified
and not necessarily it's not necessarily classified as a UAP,
but it's unidentified, so you can't tell what it is.
It's not moving in a straight line. It doesn't look
like it's floating along the wind like a balloon would be.
Speaker 1: But I would yeah, sorry, so I didn't notice this
at the beginning of the of the video because it
is kind of hard to see. But but in this frame,
which is the beginning of the frame, you see the
windmills at the bottom. So at this point, whatever this
is is at a at a at a higher altitude
than uh, you know, than the than the windmill, you know,
the top of the windmills. I'm just going to cut.
Speaker 3: That's also perhaps not true because it just might be
further away and it would appear to be at a
higher altitude. Okay, Okay, so that's when some of that
parallax comes into play. So you we would we would
need the sensor data and and what we would add
like I would want to talk to, you know, the
drone operator to see what they were doing whenever they
spotted it, Like, did it just like randomly appear was
it maneuvering before you were able to capture it, and
the fact that they're able to have it in the
frame the whole time, to me also means it's not
moving that.
Speaker 1: Fast when playing it back the one go ahead.
Speaker 3: Sorry, oh no, I would say the ones that we
were truly one hundred percent unidentified possible UAP situation would
be when like the camera operator couldn't keep it in
the you know, in the crosshairs or in the lens
because it would suddenly accelerate and they would have to
like retrack it and find it again.
Speaker 1: Would it and I won't cut to your close up?
Would it help you to be able to lean into
your laptop to be able to see it. That's really funny,
promise problems. I'm not going to punk you, and so
I'm gonna start it back over.
Speaker 3: It's so funny. I mean, my lighting is really good
right now.
Speaker 1: But yep, so I'm going to keep my mask.
Speaker 3: I would just oh, you're okay. I would still I mean,
my comments aren't really good to change. I would still
want more data and you know, I mean, I'm still
a scientist. Even though I do see it kind of
look like it's split. So you also see a thing
with flear So this is a good example, you could
see dead pixels, so up every once in a while,
you'll like if you if you clause it right now,
I could point it out to you. So down in
the bottom left there's like a little l that's you know,
there's kind of just up into the left there's a
white spot.
Speaker 1: So there.
Speaker 3: So with with sensors, there's dead pixels once in a while,
and sometimes we actually used to get reports of UAPs
and they were actually dead pixels on the sensor itself.
So that's another fun example to show of what was
sent to us and what wasn't.
Speaker 1: Okay, but clearly what's moving around isn't a dead pixel.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, a great yeah. Correct.
Speaker 1: Now, Now, one thing I want to point out here
is that, Okay, so you can see that the camera
to my eye looks like it's it's panning left because
you're seeing the terrain move below it. So we're, uh,
we're continuing to slew left. Then the camera stops slewing
and a bit because you can see that the terrain
movement below is pretty minimal. Uh so it's like the
camera slewing, stop slewing here, and this thing is still
moving around and changing directions and zipping around with pretty
pretty erratic movement while the terrain is frozen. So to me,
that would say that the camera is not slewing and
that right in.
Speaker 3: Here that that could also So that's that's still a
part of parallax because you really don't know if the
clouds are moving under there, if terrain like it's it's
hard for me to see what all of that is.
So yes, and it appears like that, and it's obviously
moving again, right because we're seeing these these the wind
farm and I really like, I really like looking at
the windmills. They look really cool and thermal.
Speaker 1: You do see one thing I've noticed, and again I
can't really like sort of slow this down, but you
will see the the dot blip out in some places
and not in others, which to me says that in
some places it's been blind yeah, in front of behind.
Speaker 3: And I can definitely see that it's going in between.
And what's like, I can even hear some of the people,
some of my friends, I can probably like I could
hear their voice saying that's a bird and discounting it.
But I would say I would want more data to
to properly look at this like and see what it
is because I don't I mean, my brain has ruled
out balloon, so it's definitely not a balloon from the
movements that's happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if can you again, I don't
like parallax, I don't understand et cetera. But like you know,
so so we know in general like probably and I
don't know what that number is, but like what the
typical height is of of a wind farm, of each uh,
you know, each whatever you call that thing generator or whatnot.
So with that, could you figure out essentially the if
if if you were to like put a scale ruler
up to one of those wind farm things and and
it's two inches wide on or two inches tall on screen,
could you then translate that into what the real height
is and then looking at what what this dot goes
behind each one? Could you? Yes? So then you could
like figure.
Speaker 3: Out for sure you can get part of physics like
the height of those especially the location absolutely, and then
you could figure out like the relatives and what about speed.
But you know, something that gets into what I would
call image science, and you could do menstruation and figure out,
you know, how many meters that object likely is from
you know, you pause it when it goes behind one
of the poles and it blacks out, so you could say, okay,
so it's not as wide as one of those poles.
You could have like let's say, I'm not even gonna speculate,
but however, the diameter of the pole the objects smaller
than so you start calculating size, and then you could
relative relatively make it to calculate speed and stuff from
perhaps like this the speed of the what you call them,
the blades are moving.
Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah, now that that is interesting. Okay, cool, cool,
And then that's just.
Speaker 3: Like weather data is also important, and I.
Speaker 1: Would imagine that's going to be the problem with these
videos is for you, like as a professional image analyst,
it sounds like you're missing a lot of context, a
lot of the data. So if they're not going to
release it, it sounds like we're not going to really know,
one way or another if this thing, if this stuff
is truly anomalous.
Speaker 3: Correct, And yeah, absolutely So that's what was frustrating for
the government to say, Okay, we're releasing all of this data.
You've been asking for it. I'm you know, here's my
promise fulfilled. But it's we still can't really do anything
with it, right, Like just trying to look at that
face value, it's still really hard. It looks cool, it
looks anomalous, but we don't know. So that was the
frustrating part. And another frustrating part of the information drop
was I don't know if anybody else noticed, but there
was a lot of information not provided. There was a
handful of years gap that happened to be like when
Luelazondo was in charge of was it a WASP or
I forget what acrodem it was at the time, then
the task force that I was on a tip, Yeah,
it was a WASP. That was it was an a tip,
a WASP, and then task force Area what whatever whatever above? Yeah, exactly,
So it was never a how could I add a
W in it? That's so funny. So data wasn't provided
from most of those years. I thought that was an
interesting thing. So I wanted, I'm again going to be
optimistic that I'll say data wasn't provided yet from those times,
but I do know there was a lot out there
and I saw like almost zero of it. There was,
you know, one video that I got to somewhat help with,
and I say, that lightly because I was doing you know,
some turnover to somebody on the ERRO side of things
and like helping do the lay down of like here's
what we do, here's you know, go to this place
to reach out to like m Q nine operators, And
so I did get to help with one, but there
was no task for his data.
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And yeah, let's get back to after my little shameless
plug here, let's let's get back to to some more
some more videos. So let's see here, So that was okay,
this one we just looked at all, right, this one
here and again I'm not going to cut your close up,
so I'm not gonna be uh looking, uh looking at
the close up of your nose. Okay, So this says
Pacific Cluster Pair Unresolved u AP Report INDO pat Com,
Department of War. This is in Japan. This is uh
uh let's see. Uh yeah, that's kind of all I
have on it. Uh, what the hell is this?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Japan's a very hot spot. I even
have a I'm gonna I'm I'm so sorry. So I
have a good friend that was in the Navy and
stationed over there for a while, and he said almost
nightly they would see something and they would send jets
out to look and to figure out what it was.
It wouldn't show up on radars, and then sometimes it would.
It was like very once in a while, I was
like it observed to be something playful. Uh. But yeah,
that whole area is a massive hot spot, and I'm
glad I don't have sensory issues right now because that's
kind of nauseating watching it, like bounce and stuff. So
it's hard to tell if the camera is you know, stable,
or if these things are bouncing around, you know, I'll
revert back to weather. So I have no idea what
these little what these little fun nuggets are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's definitely definitely hard to tell. Okay,
let's see. Let's look at I think this next one
and resolve you AP report Middle East in twenty twenty this.
Let's see number six here. Actually I have some conflicting information.
It says southern United States, so it could be wrong. Yeah,
so you know, I see like a target in the
in the radical there that looks like it's tracking in
some clouds. But that's kind of it. There's really kind
of doesn't really tell.
Speaker 3: You much, right, Yeah, it doesn't. So, I mean it
kind of looks like it's just floating at a steady pace.
So I like to think of looking for the maneuverables.
Is it suddenly stopping, accelerating, decreasing, increasing and altitude very quickly.
Kind of looks like a you know, maybe a weather
balloon floating around, although the payload, oh there goes. The
payload is really really hot. So I don't know about
the weather balloon. Because the polyurythane of the balloons usually
don't get that hot, but you could see the equipment
like either inside of it or what's hanging below it
really well, so I yeah, not sure. So this is
kind of like now you guys are seeing like this
is how the analyst brain works of trying to go
through to figure out stuff when it's face value and
you have no other information, which thankfully I was always
lucky to have more information doing the analysis when you know,
I was supporting the task force on this. Oh, as
soon as it goes out, it gets closer. That looks
really interesting.
Speaker 1: Now let me get back to that part. And I'm
guessing if you were looking at the unredacted version with
all the heads up display data, it would make it
much easier for you to say whether this is prosaic
or not or is that even necessarily true?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, because there's a lot of parallacks going on
there with seeing the cloud layers behind it and the movements,
it's really hard to tell the speed of the object,
which again, if you had all the data, you would
be able to potentially figure out the speed and the altitude. Yeah,
that's just really yeah, you can't really do much science
with any of this stuff right right, although that looks
really crazy. Oh you promised would do that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about that. You'll look great from all angles,
so uh. And I also want to point I want
to point out to the audience of folks at the
end here. Please, if you have questions for Sarah, put
them in the chat, put them in all caps, and
we will we will ask those or I'll ask those
questions to Sarah on air. Okay, let's see here, here's
number seven and cool. It looks like something zip and
by now let me see if I can, I'm.
Speaker 3: Gonna say freeze frame. So this one when I when
I first saw this, when I got excited because like,
this is a lot of the type of data that
we saw you. It's quick, don't know what it is.
It's hard to like the drone operator. Likely they couldn't
go find it because I also might be looking at
a mission. But how fast that's going. That's leaving like
a thermal shadow as well. I mean it might maybe
it's like smokers. I don't think of smoked. But that's
a good pause. Excellent, You're not like zoomed in on
me right now?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: No, so that it's so cool. So this was this.
This video got me excited because this is a good
example of what we were dealing with on a regular basis,
not having the best quality data, not you know, perhaps
like the kid the drone operator didn't want to have
a go back to talk to him on what it was.
That they also was what to less than two seconds
long or something, so they also are like, I don't
know what it was, but you know it was recorded. Yeah,
so a lot of stuff was unidentified and it just
was inconclusive.
Speaker 1: And it says here, sorry, this is seven so I'm
just reading here. Department of War Shortest in the release
mission report labels it as possible missile. Let's see here
at the two second mark, the video depicts area of
contrast moving left to right the bottom third of the video.
I mean, could this thing be a missile?
Speaker 3: I would think you would have had some sort of
missile warning, missile defense systems letting people know that a
missile was going, and you wouldn't release it as unidentified data. Okay,
So I mean, sure, it's definitely possible. I don't think
I've ever I never bothered looking at a lot of
missile data in things like this either, So I have
nothing to go off of a baseline of what a
missile would look like if you paused it and it
went through the frame. And so I would want that
at first, like I would want to go find a
similar set of videos to see what a missile looks like.
I just have never been in a job where I
had to watch that kind of stuff all the time. Thankfully.
Yeah you would. My first thought is you would have
missile warning and defense and perhaps not label it as
unidentified then because you would have the information looks really
cool though, I really like it definitely, and it doesn't
look like you don't see the Star Wars pattern, no
picks saturation, but you see either I'll go ahead and
call it smoke or a thermal shadow behind it. So
sometimes that happens as an artifact of the sensor because
something might either be super hot or super cold, and
the pixel value the pixels will still have to have
time to shift and change. It's like and cool down
type things that the it is a more of a
hot run sensor. Maybe technology is adjusted and it doesn't anymore,
but at least at least in my day when I
was looking at this stuff things, the IR sensors ran
hotter and took more power.
Speaker 1: The fact that this thing is like jet black, what
does that tell us?
Speaker 3: That just depends on what the sensor is doing. So
you might have hot black, hot is black or hot
is white, so white could be hot, black could be hot.
So it depends on the pixel. I'm sorry, on the
view data, and we don't have it looks like I
don't know, I can't even tell it is that trees
down there? Trees look like they're cold, So maybe it's
a cold object. I'm speculating now because we don't have
any All of that stuff would be on what's omitted.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, let's.
Speaker 3: Say you know, hot, hot or cold and what is what?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's see here. So this is number eight.
Let me get over the right page. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 3: Ooked.
Speaker 1: This says, it says longest from Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I was joking that it's a boat and
then you and then it zoomed in. I said, yes,
I'm sorry, I was. I was making a silly joke and.
Speaker 1: I don't really like so I see a boat, but
it's like I don't really now now this actually this
clip is about four minutes long. So okay.
Speaker 3: Now, so that is an artifact of the sensor and somehow,
some sometimes how things are overlaid with each other. So
kind of like James Web telescope will make different patterns
when there's pixel saturation because that's how the mirrors are. Well,
this isn't a mirror, of course, because James Web is
a different optical sensor, like something that looks like something
in the water, but you could see the pattern of
the sensor itself, which is really cool. So that's similar
to like electro optical sensors when they have the mirror
patterns and create different starbursts from that mirror pattern as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense. I'm sorry, Yeah no, yeah, no,
it definitely does. Okay, so it looks like what they're
they're tracking this kind of white ball and we're just
going to kind of continue to let this play through
and feel free to I'm not going to cut to
your close up.
Speaker 1: I'll stay on this. If you need the lean inky.
Speaker 3: Thank you, I'm you're warned. I'm leaned in. Is that
really fun to go through all this? It makes me
miss looking at it as well. I mean that that
there's no maneuverables there's kinds I it's floating on the wind,
flying on the wind. Maybe that's a good way to
see parallax as well. So you see the background is
moving in a different direction than the object. So it's
going to be difficult for our brains to really see
how fast or be able to tell how fast it's going,
because the background is moving at a different speed than
the o itself that we're focused on.
Speaker 1: Now, does it look like the camera is So if
we go back here, if the camera is slewing at
a certain kind of vector, which it doesn't, well, I
actually may be slewing a little changing direction a little bit.
But does does this even tell you anything? The way
this thing is kind of floating in relation to the centerretical?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would start thinking this would just be a
balloon like floating kind of in the wind, because it
looks like it's going in a similar direction. I'm still sorry,
I got quikes. I'm still looking at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, Now that looks like it's up against water.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, it's always it skimming in the water. I
can't tell.
Speaker 1: Oh, it kinda so right there, kind.
Speaker 3: Of like a rock like skipping skipping over the water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna happen here in a second. Right here,
it looks really cool.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's a bird.
Speaker 1: Getting some fish. Yeah maybe yeah, maybe it could have
been a bird. Yeah yeah, so maybe maybe Mcwest's seagull. Okay,
so let's see here. So that was let's see I
think it was number seven eight. Oh, let's see now
that looks like I don't know what that what that
is because it looks like it's got a tail hanging
below it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. When I first saw this the other day, my
first thought was I got excited. Is like sometimes there's
the jet path looking u A p s.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry not anticipate that hiccup too quickly, so
I would have thought, like my first thought before I
really hit play was, oh my gosh, this is gonna
be one of the jetpackyaps. And it kind of doesn't.
It resembles more of like a balloon. So when you
have some weather balloons again, like the polyurythane usually could
see through so it won't be overly hot. But sometimes
they do have like a metallic layer in them, but
their payload is dropped down below them, and so you
could see the payload like that.
Speaker 1: So this to me.
Speaker 3: Resembled more of a weather balloon type video. Again, have
really no clue because of not having meta data to
go with it, but this resembles a lot of the
weather balloon type data I've seen of the payloads. So
the payloads drop down and like tethered through either like
some fiber optics or maybe actual like cables, and the
system itself that collects a lot of the weather stuff
is floats down below it.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's another one. Oh sorry, that looks like same one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this crazy, this is almost to me. I was like,
is that a dirigible? Also? Super happy? I just got
to say dirigible on this and.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? I've never heard of.
Speaker 3: Dirigible is a fun word for uh balloon? It was
the one that crashed. Oh there's a dirigible base down
in North Carolina. Okay, oh my gosh, anyone out there
help I don't have YouTube up to help me to
read the comments.
Speaker 1: So this this could definitely be another balloon. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the oh my gosh, I can't believe I'm blinking
right now. It was like it's super famous balloon ship
thing that crashed. Oh my gosh, It's like what was
in Indiana? Jones in one of the Indiana Jones movies.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, anyone, Okay, not sure, Okay, hello.
Speaker 3: So but those are used as at least they used
to be. I still, I don't know if this is
an active thing still or not. But they are tet
some of them are tethered, like we were using them
in the Middle East during the two thousand and three
Ish War, and then we were also using them in
different countries in the Middle East for decades after that,
because it can't be decades because we're not that far away.
But but they're also tethered sometimes too, so they don't
move too much or too far because they're literally tethered
to the ground. So they're doing like they have like
censor pods on them, doing surveillance on the ground.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see here. So oh we got that one.
Let's see Okay, that's that one. So this is another
kind of longer one. Yeah, you can kind of yeah
like this one.
Speaker 3: This one has some maneuvers in it. It looked really cool.
I got really excited seeing this one. It has it
has some little zippy doos around and you you could, yeah,
this one was really fun to look at, and I
I yeah, I got really excited about that, so this
could be.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 3: No, it's just Krypton's me out, and now I don't
know what he wants this. Does it say like any data?
Where it was? Was this in the Middle East? Water?
It looks like water? Never mind into pay com.
Speaker 1: Let's see so number twelve was a pure thirty four.
Let's see this one. It says in Greece from twenty
twenty three, the grease one okay, neat NATO Eastern Flank,
Russian Air Activity Allied airspace.
Speaker 3: You okay, there were a couple of grease ones that
were dropped. I really liked this and this thing. I'd
be very excited and to think, like, perhaps this really
is anomalist because of the maneuvering that was doing, so
it would stop turn a pivot, And I mean, I
have no idea what birds are in Greece if they
would do those type of maneuvers. So I would have
to research all that stuff too to officially declare something
as anomalist or not. But I got excited by this
video just the possibility of it actually being truly unidentified,
and a UAP.
Speaker 1: Got it. Okay, Yeah, so I guess I guess here,
this whole thing's around three minutes. Looks like it's it's
flying off, but it looks like it's kind of no
longer doing those maneuvers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, will say in the description they did a pretty
good job of giving timestamps, so it would say, you know,
zero to twelve seconds, not in the frame twelve seconds
it's acquired moves left to right or something. So they
did they did a pretty good job of at least
narrowing down those long videos on where you could fast
forward to.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's see here, Okay, this is my neighborhood.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that one I thought was really neat. I mean,
didn't maneuver at all. So that's, of course, like one
of the things that I've said a lot. You know,
take take a shot every time I've said that, right,
you'd be drunk at the end of this video or
into this podcast. But no maneuvering, So that was unfortunate.
It looks really cool. You can't really see bird wings
flapping or anything that would my first thought would go
to birds because it is going in a straight line,
not maneuvering or anything. But we truly just don't know.
There's no data to back it up. There's no camera
drone operator to call. We can't phone a friend to
ask you did you track this later on in your
shift or see other things? So, but yeah, this looks
really cool.
Speaker 1: This one looked like anything. I can't really Oh, yes,
there it is targets kind of near the.
Speaker 3: Bottom, and so there goes that dead pixel. Remember I
was talking about the dead pixel by the end the north. Yeah,
so that that pixel is not moving. But yeah, that's
really I mean, I'm I'm so happy the government released
so much to say, go forth, children, do what you
want with this, but it's just so frustrating that. I mean,
they gave a date, I guess that's cool, and they
gave a rough approximation of you know, Japan, but still
it's still really frustrating.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Okay, so let's let's move on. We've
looked at looked at some videos. Of course, there are
a bunch more, but I want to get to the other.
Speaker 3: Thank you, and I hope I hope others out there
if you had questions or something. I don't have YouTube up.
I kind of wish I would have so I could
have seen some of your comments and stuff too. While
this was going on. I'll do better next time, no.
Speaker 1: Worries, and we'll read some stuff here. So I want
to talk about the Popular Mechanics. Uh uh that just
came out with you in there. I don't have the
article up unfortunately, but I'll be sure to put it
in the you know, in the in the description. Uh
So this is like kind of is this like your
first sort of major publication that you were quoted in. Yeah,
that is.
Speaker 3: It's super duper exciting. The day that I was replying
to the reporters questions about it was the day of
my anniversary of the event, so I was also really
really cool. And the day it was published, which was
the May thirteenth, I had been downgraded from being in
the ICU to the intermediate care unit. And then the
another day I think was when I officially like posted
it on social media, was the day I got released
from the hospital. So it was really cool, the synchronicity
of the timing and just feeling so blessed that it
was valued enough to be shared. And it's in Popular Mechanics.
Like my younger self, you know, in college reading all
of these magazines front to back, you know, in my
physics classes. Never would have guessed I would end up
in Popular Mechanics talking about a black void of love
and dying and coming back.
Speaker 1: Right. So walk us through this entire experience, and again
we'll put a link to the to the article in
the YouTube description description. But walk us through this whole
near death experience. Uh, and how it changed your life?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say first, the reporter, the questions that
they asked me, I responded to and so they kind
of injected a little bit of words here and there.
So I didn't actually die on the operating table. It
was in the recovery room, but that question was never
asked where it actually happened during the procedure.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: So I was getting a septoplasty, a deviated septum fixed.
I couldn't breathe, I was having I was suffering from
migraines most of my life, so I was hopefully going
to fix all of all of my breathing problems. The
surgery went well, and in the recovery room it did not.
I initially woke up, I asked for stickers when I
wake up from surgeries. I don't know why, That's just
who I am. And when she the nurse gave me
my stickers. I'm hugging them. I'm so proud of them,
and I'm like, okay, can I go back to sleep now,
I'm still really tired, And she said, yeah, I'll wake
you back up in a few minutes. And I remember
hugging my stickers. I worked so hard for him. And
then I saw blackness, and I heard the nurse say,
oh my god, she's not breathing, and I thought, who's not?
Like I pray that somebody's okay, and then see somebody
else in here with me and it was me. And
then the next thing I knew, I was in this
blackest of black void with my loved ones, and it
was the most amazing feeling of love and peace you
could ever imagine. And then whatever you can imagine, it's
more than that. It was so phenomenal, and my loved
ones are there, and I got to see them, and
like a couple of them, I kind of forgot, like,
oh my gosh, I forgot you were dead. Gargo that
and added with some people and got to like, you know,
small my grandma's soft soap scent that she always had,
and my grandpa's old spice after shave and it was
so wonderful that I didn't want to come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that and that was one of the things that really,
you know, really caught me that, you know, you didn't
want to come back. And you know, most people would
think like the impulse would be the other way. It's like, hey,
I want to get back, get back to my my uh,
living living life. But uh, but I understand that you
you kind of argued with God and and uh and
God said, nope, You're you're heading back. Tell us about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was so in the middle of just mostly
still greeting my family and just kind of you'll catch
them up a little bit. And you know, one of
the one that I forgot that had passed away was
when I was little, and it was a very good
family friend. So just kind of catching up and saying hi.
And even though I'm in this black void, I knew
where every single person was. I knew all of the
things I knew. I wasn't I wasn't fearful, I wasn't scared,
even though I couldn't see anything. And then all of
a sudden, I hear a voice and I call it God.
Is that that's God to me? Source or whomever. So
I heard a voice and it said you got to
go back, and I was like, no, I don't. I
have free will, and I choose to stay there sucked
here is wonderful, and it said, no, you actually don't
have a choice.
Speaker 1: You have to go back.
Speaker 3: And so we argued, and my family teamed up with
God with the voice with source, and I started getting
upset and I'm like, whose sight are you on? Are
you kidding me? Don't you want to see me? And
as I'm arguing back was when I woke up?
Speaker 1: Wow, And do you have any idea how long you
were were you flatlined or or how however long you
were breathing?
Speaker 3: So yeah, after my after I stopped breathing, my heart
stopped soon after that. I never asked specifically how long
I was gone for because I don't know why that
that part scares me. But I'm fine, right, Like, I
don't have like brain well, I might have brain damage.
I don't know, but my brothers might say I do.
I really don't know, but I know it was less
than two minutes. It was just shy two minutes, but
my time, you know, in heaven felt like twenty thirty
minutes long like it felt like I was there for
so long, and that was my first time kind of realizing.
I've heard some people talk about time's not linear, and
I wasn't spiritual yet then this was twenty twelve. I
was still, you know, pretty religious, and I didn't understand
this times not linear concept, and especially with astrophysics and
physics background, what do you mean you know? And so
that was my first moment of a time warp and
not comprehending what had happened. And I knew I'd be fine.
So when I woke up, I had nurses and doctors
and all of this chaos all and I remember so
much of it. I remember like just I kept on
thinking my body was going through some survival motions, and
I'd remember thinking, didn't they hear God tell me I'd
be fine, Like, didn't anyone else hear that? Because like
I was in this like blackness, and so I didn't
understand how there was so much panic around me when
I was told I couldn't leave yet and I had
to stay, and so I ended up. This theory is
when my body restarted. I I was saved by CPR
and a ne epinephrine shot. So when my body restarted.
I my stomach was full of blood from the surgery,
and I when I took my first breath, I vomited
and all of that fluid went right into my lungs.
So I couldn't have a breathing tube in my nose
because as I had stints in it from the surgery.
Because the surgery went well, and so surviving was literally
on my own, and I was coughing out the substance
and I was also vomiting out the substance in my stomach.
At that time, I didn't understand the two consistencies. One
was foam and one was liquid. So I was really
confused by that. Doctors were saying I had a pulmon
number pulmonary embolism. I didn't know what that was at
the time. It was just it was everything was just
really confusing and just chaos. Was how happening everywhere?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 1: Okay, So after this, you, as I understand it, you
you had uh, how do I explain this? You you
developed mediumship or was this before that?
Speaker 3: You had it?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What is mediumship? I kind of know what it is,
but really I don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yeah, I guess it. So mediumship is you
can see loved ones on the other side, ghosts, so
you could talk to ghosts. You could you see pets,
like one of my cats has passed away and I
see him once in a while visit me. So I
had seen spirits most of my life. I have had
vivid dreams, uh with loved ones that would come to
me and my dreams, and I didn't realize at the
time that those were something more of, you know, on
the mediumship side of things. To me, it was just normal.
And I'd go to tell Mom, like, hey, Grandma came
and said hi, and she gave me this message, like
my grandma actually even let me know a few months
ahead of time before my grandpa would pass before her
her husband was going to pass away. And so I
was this was normal to me. And then after the
near death experience, I started having psychic things happen. So
I'm gonna get the phrase wrong right now because I
am very tired at the moment. But oh, I don't
even want to say it. I'm so scared of getting
it wrong. But not not all mediums or psychics, but
all psychics are mediums, So hopefully that's right. I'm starting
to gaslight myself that it's wrong. But so if that's wrong,
just reverse what I said. But psychic abilities are more
in touch with tapping into future and tapping into different
energy to talk with a higher form a higher frequency
than just where loved ones are. So let's say, you
know we have these lights here, this is a you know,
we're in a three D existence here, So you have
to raise your vibration and your frequency to talk with
loved ones, and you have to raise it even more
to talk for like to communicate for psychic things. And
but I started having these experiences happened to me where
I didn't understand, like I would start has to sound
so silly, but it freaked me out. But I had
a crown pop off. But for many days before one
of my crowns popped off, I felt it in my
mouth loose and moving around. And so when it popped off,
I was it kind of freaked me out, like did
I did I did? Did I predict? Like what's going on?
So these like silly little things were starting to happen
more and more, And then they were happening more to
the point where I was hearing car crashes in my
head in my ears, like I heard a car crash.
I wasn't even driving a car at the time, and
so I text my family and be like, everybody be
okay today and ended up being one of my best
friends got in an accident later that day. So stuff
like that started happening to where it wasn't me, it
was happening with other people, and things progressed to where
I was freaking the f out because I didn't know
what was happening to me and I needed to go
get help. And so that's when I found my spiritual
teacher and she and I got a I hired her
for a session to sit with her, and it's super
fun because I was briefing a four star general that day,
the director of NSA, National Security Agency. I left my
briefing to go to the psychic mediumship appointment or she
told me I could sit in her seats, and yeah,
it was if I was freaking out, like it definitely
was happening to me. Now I know it happened for me,
but it was pretty scary.
Speaker 1: Wow. And do you see ghosts all the time? Does
it like come in waves, Like you'll see nothing for
six months and all of a sudden stuff will start appearing.
How does that work?
Speaker 3: Yeah, through training and through classes and practice, you learn boundaries.
They need boundaries just as much as we do. And
if I saw them all the time, that would be
really draining and exhausting for me because I would have
to operate at a different level. It takes a lot
of calories and a lot of food to do that,
so I eat quite a bit enough as it is,
so I try to keep my boundaries very strict with them.
And I haven't been doing readings for clients for a while. No,
I it's other other reasons why I'm taking a break
from that. But no, I don't see them all the time.
Sometimes they do break through my boundaries, and usually it's
at a time when you know, a best friend is
talking to me about something they're troubled with and I
get a little I get a little image or words
or something, and then I'll relay that to them. There
was a time when I worked at the Pentagon and
step would just fall off the wall at my desk.
And if you're in cubicle farm, right, it's in this
old cubicles and my like your headset that you used to,
you know, talk on the phone was just hanging on
the wall and it would fall down, and it would
fall down with you know, during a meeting, when multiple
teammates would be at my desk and be like, what
was that, Like, I'm gonna worry about that right now.
And uh So then I went to and it was
happening enough and I would hear my aim. So that
means it's an intelligent spirit whenever they would say your name,
and so I was like, okay, like I'm going to
take a break. I'm gonna go out in the hallway.
We're gonna have a chat, like I'm done with this.
You guys are not allowed to invade my workspace during
the day. And come to find out, they just wanted
to be known, because it was some of the people.
From nine to eleven. I worked in a corridor not
too far from where the plane hit, and once I
talked with these souls, they stopped and they just wanted
to be heard. They wanted to be acknowledged. And so no,
I don't see them all the time, but I can,
I guess, tap into them, you know, and let them
know the clock is on to have a chat if
they want to.
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, I've been to that little aria inside the Pentagon,
the nine to eleven thing.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: It is very very cool. Okay, so some time it
truly is? It truly is? And boy that building is huge. Okay,
let's if you have say, like another ten minutes. Would
love to throw some audience questions at you. This one
is actually not a question. This is from someone friend
of the show who's been on a science Bob McGuire.
Bob versutly thank you for the for the generous super chat.
It'll go go straight to paying the rent. There is
my awesome karaoke partner, Sarah gam and I am the
man in the box. What the hell does that mean?
Speaker 3: I just almost been water out. That's so funny. Oh
my gosh, Bob. For those that haven't met Bob yet,
he is an amazing soul, so smart. Now he posted
one of our photo It was actually the first time
we met. We took a selfie together and he made
this AI, the silly AI video of us singing that
song and it was very creepily looked like standing on
a stage singing, and there was a little bit of backlash.
The UAP community didn't think it was as funny as
we did, but we didn't care. So we're good karaoke buddies.
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, you don't want to hear me sing,
so I don't think you'll be I'll be in the
audience chearing you, you and Bob on. We'll put it
that way. Okay. This is from Den Cloud twenty twenty five.
Hello to you both. My question for Sarah in the
next publication publications, will we have images or videos of
debris from UAP. This is from Dennis Claudier from Quebec, Canada.
I know, I hope so I have no idea.
Speaker 3: That would be really cool. Oh my gosh, Like now
that's got my brain going, like photos from like Roswell
crash of debris and like I love the stories and
I've heard them firsthand from people when they have debris
from crash sites. You could it's it's like a tissue,
so you could crumple it up and then the second
you let it go, it goes back to its original form.
That would be really cool. I'm not special enough to
know what is being released and what isn't. I wish
I could tell you cooler things, but I like that question.
Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is that is a great question. That's that
wasn't something I ever thought of, But yeah, that would
actually be really cool that to see something that they're
holding in their hand, and if they say, after all
this time, we still don't know what it is that's
that would be that would be pretty telling. Okay, this
is from Ali Crafter sixty four, really enjoying the show.
Thank you very much for that comment. This is from
a post surreal Fish. How well versed does Sarah with
the plasma physics of the twenty first century?
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, Oh my gosh. That class was a long
time ago. So how about I say not?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I failed college physics, so you definitely don't
want to be asking I graduated.
Speaker 3: For those that don't know, I graduated undergrad in two
thousand and six, so that that's been quite a while,
and I have not I mean, I've been able to
utilize my degree in some jobs, but I haven't done
you know, diffy Q differential equations or CALC three or
anything like that since. So I don't know if I
could do that again either, which is really sad. I
worked really hard for that degree. So I will say
I definitely don't know plasma physics. Well I would, I
would know enough to be able to talk through a
simple conversation on it, but that's about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let's see. This is from orange ORBS, which
matches this question. I saw on orb closely, and I
believe it is made of crystals. Sarah also said she
thought that they were crystals. Does she still believe that,
I'm not sure what he's referring to or she yeah.
Speaker 3: No, I totally have, Thank you for that question. I
have bounced around between thinking, yes, there's some sort of
like crystal maybe we don't have on this planet, or
maybe we don't know how to utilize them in that form,
or like a plasma type energy that I can't talk
about into depths on. I do still stand by that
some of them are crystals. I do think they're not
all the same material, and I know there's different colors.
I've seen orange, and I've also seen blue, and one
of them that kind of turned from like a blue
to of course like blue and purple or really close
on the visible spectrum, right, they overlap, so it kind
of like morphed into a couple of those colors. I yes,
some of them are definitely crystal.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, let's see here. This is from Randy Robert John.
Has she ever seen an alien or footage of an alien?
Speaker 3: Yes, I have seen one. I talk about it publicly
that I saw. I had an encounter in my bedroom
one night, and I have seen I have seen something.
It's very hard for me to say because I don't
know what to properly say, so I'm starting to stutter
a little bit. I didn't mentally prepare for this. I
have seen something in person in public as well before,
and it's still it was around a year ago and
something that took me days to process and to really,
I guess appreciate the situation. I've talked to good friends
that have had known of similar encounters of others and
the spot I was in. There's been other alien entities
that have been seen, but again it was in public.
It was really it still is really hard to process.
Like in my room as finds like do a mediumship stuff.
I'm used to spirit coming to me in my space,
but in public was a whole different ballgame, whole different
set of emotions for me. And that was you know,
people ask you know, what was it like seeing your
first like truly unidentified video and a classified net system
and I was like, I ME know, it's really cool,
but this to me, I couldn't. I couldn't process seeing
this in public with just everybody else around type situation.
So that was what stopped me in my tracks.
Speaker 1: Would you mind going into detail as far as like
what you saw and everyone I certainly want to know?
M hm.
Speaker 3: I don't know, because this it could still be considered
a US citizen because it resembled a human. So the
people I was with we have discussed how to approach
this and make sure it's a sensitive matter because they're
still they are here and they're interwoven in our society.
But I changed, I call it changed. The size of
ice changed, and the person knew going in to shake
their hand, making eye contact, when their eyes completely changed color.
When I was saying goodbye, they they knew what I saw,
and the whole encounter was very interesting. There was I
mean even questions like asking questions about like where they
were from they mentioned. It was like it was like
talking to an AI bought exactly like something of chat
g T. Just blurting stuff out in not making sense,
but it's facts, and you're like, how do you know
that Native American tribe, like what And I'm from one
of the areas that they said that they were from,
So I'm asking all kinds of questions and and so
I'm where I grew up. I'm seven miles from the
Mississippi River, but everybody there called it the Mississippi. And
so whatever you say, oh, yeah, we're going on the
river today, or we're going to the Mississippi, you know
what's happening. And so I mentioned something about the Mississippi
to this person and she's, well, not if she like,
don't know if it's a he or she, But they
started talking about living in the state of Mississippi, and
I was like, Okay, now I've asked enough questions that
I have my evidence that you are definitely not from here.
But I was yeah, it was a very life changing moment.
And I'm sure everybody out there now can see the
trouble I'm having of putting words out. But I also
wanted to protect the person. I haven't said this story
to very many people at all, so and even my
best friends. I saw my best friends a few after
hours after this encounter, and I still couldn't talk. I
was still like, what just happened? What what is my life? Like?
What in the world like that just happened? And my
best friends that I see all the time, they kept
asking me, are you okay? And I was like, I
don't know how to talk about this, Like I think
I just saw an alien? What it like? Excuse me,
I don't know. I don't know what words just came
out of my mouth either, I have to it was
really really cool and really crazy.
Speaker 1: Wow, And and did this being or whatever? Do you
think that it knew that you knew that it wasn't okay?
Speaker 3: Because I think they I think they knew when their
eyes changed colors. One of the other people I was
with saw their eyes change shape, and the physical features
of the person that looked like a human were so abnormal.
And but I mean even the face shape was more
like a gray type being, like it was more of
an almond shape, or I think Arcturians also have a
more of an almond kind of shape, and like bigger
eyes and so like a little bit point over a ten.
I think I said almond. Maybe that was the wrong description,
maybe that was the wrong word, but like a point
of your ten, it's like the just the muscle tone
and definition was like something of like an animal in
the wild that runs on a daily basis. It was amazing,
but there were just some some features that you kind
of looked at and like that that's not normal, right,
And then when the face features like the eyes changed,
that to me was validation that they knew that I
knew okay, And also felt like approval too, like approval
of knowing what I'm doing here and talking about all
this and it it did not feel like it was
a random situation, like they knew we we would be
there where we were when we.
Speaker 1: Were and did this thing or this being or whatever
just walk up to you, like how how did how
did the actually encounter happen?
Speaker 3: It walked by? It was interesting. So the good question
it it I felt the energy before it got to me,
and I felt it like come in the building, and
my my like my body like like I got like
I really got like frozen. I'm like, what is going on?
So my body was reacting before they were even in
like my proximity really, and then one of the other
people also had the same reaction, and we both were
like looking at each other like going like what what
is going on? And so they walk by and we
kind of we kind of we kind of reassess and reevaluate.
We're like, okay, that was weird. Let's just go talk
to them. And so that's what we did. We we
technically ended up approaching them. They they Is they the right?
I don't know. So we we approached them and talked
to them that way of just saying, Hi, like you
look familiar you from around here? Have I seen you before?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It's really crazy.
Speaker 1: And was this a public building? Was this a military facility?
Can you say exactly it was public?
Speaker 3: It wasn't. No, it was public. Yeah, public place that
you know, like anybody would go in a high trafficked area,
very public. Please.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, So I have to point out and one
of our good friends of the show that does these
amazing memes on X notice this as well. You have
to hear left the absolutely wonderful book from our friend
louiell Azondo called Eminent. And this is a question. He said, Hi, Sarah,
I see that copy of Eminent in the background. Is
there anything you can say that would help clarify things
for idiots that still try to say that louel Azondo
isn't who he says he is. I hope you're doing well.
Speaker 3: Thank you. It's good to hear from you. I have
this book here. Lou never asked me to put the
book there. He's never like, there's been no communication. I
have it there because I support him and I love
what he's done, not just for help for me throughout
this process of being public, but what he's done for
humanity and for the world. And we wouldn't be talking
about any of this if it weren't for him. He's human.
He has made some mistakes, so so have I. I've
answered wrong questions, like in my first interview with you, Matt,
I answered a question completely wrong. So lesson was learned
from my end to get clarity when I don't fully
understand a question or I think I hear something and
it's not what you asked.
Speaker 1: So I I.
Speaker 3: Keep Lou high in my on like not a pedestal
per say, because that sounds wrong. It's like some symbolic
type thing. But I value him in this community, and
he's gotten a lot of pushback that he didn't deserve.
There's been a lot of lies and disinformation put out
there on him, and he's so humble enough that he
takes it even though he has evidence to prove otherwise,
and he just doesn't share it. So I I I mean,
just like what's happened to me, you know, people try
to discredit me. I've had hate messages sent to me
telling me I should off myself because I'm nothing but
a liar, and I'm a disinformation agent, and I'm a grifter,
like all kinds of things, like the UNP community tends
to eat itself, just like this release happening. The first
thing of people's reactions was negativity because you know, the
metadata is not there and all that, but it was released.
The government's actually doing stuff. So that's why I kind
of think about lou and his journey. He has been
so persistent on saying what he thinks is the truth,
crop circles, incident, mishap right, everybody makes mistakes, and he
owned up to it, which I think is so valuable
in this world to own up to having mistakes. But
we wouldn't be here without him. And I don't know
if I fully answered your question, but I am in
his corner and I I think he's just beyond brave
for what he's been through. I think the book is phenomenal.
So it goes through history. It has so much so
if you're brand new on the topic, all you have
to do is pick up this book to read it,
because it talks about a lot of the historical things.
Roswell and all of that is what I'm referring to.
But sorry, so, and then it goes through how nasty
people are and what his family went through, and that
it reminds you he's a real person, and goes through
his father's passing, which him and I were friends at
that point, so I remember experiencing it in person through
him and then reading it in the book. And so,
you know, people like to forget that we're humans and
we're real people, and we have emotions behind this camera
and this makeup that I put on to pretend to
pretend I feel great today, which I'm not feeling the best.
And yeah, I love the book. I think it's a
good reminder of how far we could come from just bravery,
from with one person stepping out and stepping up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Okay, so last question for you, what
is what's the next moment in the disclosure space that
you're watching for or hoping for?
Speaker 3: Oh, I said I think I said it earlier, like
I'm hopeful for the next real batch of released items
to be more documents of having spacecraft and possible bodies saying,
you know, I hope at some point the government comes
out and acknowledges the wrongdoings it's done to cover up
military recovery missions. A lot of those soldiers gave their
life to this country because they got some sort of
radiation poisoning. They died from cancer, and the government never
acknowledged it. The government never told the family exactly what happened,
or acknowledged or paid for stuff. So I mean, that's
a fact. Like I have friends that this has happened to,
and it's really sad how buried things are. So I
hope that some apologies are said, not just to those people,
but to the world as a whole. That all didn't
need to be a secret.
Speaker 1: Not that hard.
Speaker 3: It's not worth those lives of those soldiers who signed
up to protect our country and they took an oath,
but to pretend that they didn't do what they did.
I just that's heartbreaking to me, and those families probably
would appreciate someclosure.
Speaker 1: I completely completely agree. And by the way, one of
our moderators and Mary said, tell Sarah she was trying
to remember the name of the Hindenburg.
Speaker 3: Yes, winner kim it.
Speaker 1: Thank you awesome. Well, thank you so much for joining us.
And where can folks at home follow your work? And
again we'll we'll put the link of the the Popular
Mechanics article in the description.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and y'all who picked it up, so it's not
through the Popular Mechanics paywall now, so that's really exciting. So, uh,
where to find me? I'd say the best way is
Instagram Sarah Grace Warrior all one word, no spaces or anything.
And then my email is Sarah Grace Warrior at gmail
dot com. I am probably going to be shutting my
website down, so if you reach out to me there,
I don't know how much longer I'll have it, but
I don't know what I'm doing, and I'm just going
to let it die.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, there you go. I don't have a website,
so I don't have to don't have to worry about that. Well,
thanks again Sarah for for joining us and sharing these
these amazing stories things that have happened to you in
your life. And and you know what a what a
perfect fitting screen name for yourself. You know, I, as
I told you the first time we met over at
Lose Place, you're you're a force of nature and and
you certainly are a warrior and and I know all
of us are are really uh really grateful for for
putting yourself out there, standing up and also just being
a wonderful role role model for young women and seeing
what what they can make of themselves. Uh and uh
in science and uh yeah, just you're just doing amazing work.
And it's such an honor to have you on the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you, appreciate it. So good to be back on
here and hopefully I'll see you at Contact in the Desert.
Speaker 1: Awesome, all right, very good, all right, Sarah Gham, Ladies
and ladies and gentlemen. Okay, yeah, that was just fantastic.
So again, thanks to Sarah gam for joining us, and
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