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Speaker 1: She analyzed UFO footage from inside a Pentagon task force.

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Nine days ago, the Trump administration released twenty eight declassified

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UFO videos, the biggest official Pentagon UAP release ever. She

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still works inside US intelligence. She also reads the dead.

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In twenty twelve, she died on an operating table. After

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she came back. The visits started. Today, She's back to

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react to what the Pentagon just released and to talk

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about the day she came back. Welcome to the Good

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Trouble Show. I'm Matt Ford. Nine days ago, the Trump

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administration released twenty eight declassified UFO videos through the New

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Pursue System, the biggest official Pentagon UAP drop since the

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twenty twenty Navy footage. Today we're going to look at

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them with someone who used to look at the stuff

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from inside the building. And we'll also get to a

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popular mechanics piece that just dropped this week, a story

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about her you need to hear.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 1: Our guest today is a former National Geospatial Intelligence Agency analyst,

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a Pentagon Air Force nuclear analyst, and a former analyst

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on the Department of Defense UAP task Force. She still

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works inside the intelligence community today as a geospatial intelligence

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engineer for Army ten Cap. I'm not sure what Army

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ten cap is, but we'll find out. She's also a

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psychic medium and this week she's on the cover on

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Popular Mechanics. We should note that Sarah is appearing tonight

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in her personal capacity. Her views are her own and

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do not represent the US Army, the Department of Defense,

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or the federal government. Please welcome back to the show,

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Sarah again. Sarah, how are you.

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Speaker 3: Hi? I have been okay. Yeah, it's been a typical

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chaotic day to day, so I'm happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: Awesome And uh yeah, because you you were out doing

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a little little softball I believe, is that right?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, I was playing softball and every once in

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a while I have a gravity check and that happened today,

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so I ended up taking a head dive into the

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dirt at one point. So nice to be clean right now.

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Speaker 1: Oh god? Yeah, you know, I am like the least

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coordinated person you will leave ever meet. Like I I sucked.

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I'm like I was like the guy in uh in

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elementary school in middle school that no one wanted to

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pick to bit to be on be on their team.

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I was busy geeking out to other things. It was.

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It certainly wasn't wasn't athletics. So I think it's been

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around eight months, maybe longer since our last conversation. Last

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time you were on I remember you were kind of

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brand new to go to going public. How are you

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doing after after kind of going off full Kimona?

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Speaker 3: That was you're in You're in some some sort of

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time warp. That was a year over a year and

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Speaker 1: Ago, wasn't. Oh wow, Uh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, life has been I'll call it a roller coaster.

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I have experienced more than what I thought I would

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and also exactly what I thought I would during this time.

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I expected, you know, negativity and not kind people. I

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didn't anticipate it to be at the level that it

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has been. A lot of lessons learned, a lot of

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you know, clarity in i'll call it people's intentions. So

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I have met so many amazing people, and I just

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I feel truly grateful and blessed overall.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I remember back then and again, this is

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the time warp. So I may have may have forgotten,

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but you were actually you were pretty scared at that

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point about, you know, really going out there and and

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talking about ther UAP experience. Know back when when we

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had you on the show, you know, I was kind

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of looking at this whole thing, is like, let's just

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like focus on the nuts and bolts part and not

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the WU and all of that. So, so I know

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when I had you on, I said, let's, you know,

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let's just stick stick to that. But but you know,

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that's really was really the main reason I wanted to

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have you back, in addition to talking about these Pentagon videos,

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was to talk about this whole other side of you

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that we never got into on the show a year

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and a half ago or whatever it was. So so

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are you cause I know at the time you were

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pretty scared about the whole thing about coming out. Did

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you receive any kind of sort of professional pushback or

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professional repercussions after appearing on the show.

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Speaker 3: No, I never have until some well known people were

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well known in the UAP community worst Land during the

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to discredit me. So I never had any pushback from

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my co workers, from my security officers, because I report

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everything to my security I I I joke that I

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from the Goonies movie when Chunk is like being kind

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of interrogated on on stuff, and he just like word

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vomits all the things that's meat to my security officer

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because I don't want to risk anything to me, Like

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I my heart is in this topic, but it's not

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worth my career.

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Speaker 1: So I.

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Speaker 3: Like I report myself all the time for most of

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my podcast appearances, so luckily security knew what was happening

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in the background, uh when I was being attacked and slandered.

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So other than that, no, everybody has been either super

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supportive and they'll ask questions once in a while, or

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that's cool, Like I got I gotta go home and

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deal with my kids and you know, take my kids

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to sports or and cook for the family or whatever.

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cared or they've invested in a optimistic curiosity way.

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Speaker 1: Is that right? And feel free if if there's anything

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that you want to address about you know, I know

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you said there maybe were some kind of misrepresentations of

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you after your your appearance. You're more than welcome to

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address that here or we can we can move on

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totally up to you.

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Speaker 3: I don't I appreciate that, Thank you. I didn't anticipate that.

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I I don't know if I want to address it

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because it's in the past, and I don't think even

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name calling and bringing up the people is worth it.

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It's very unfortunate by how unprofessional the individuals were and

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the people they gotten involved with it, for all of

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them involved to not fact check because a lot of

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the things they were saying about me I had publicly

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said otherwise. Yeah, and for the truth to come out

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eventually as well was pretty validating. So I just I

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just want to leave it as a disappointment in myself,

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Like not in myself, but it's a it's a disappointment

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for the unprofessionalism that was done, and it's in the past.

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Speaker 1: I completely understand. And I was talking about sort of

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professional repercussions. I know, when we were sort of setting

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this interview up, talking about what we were going to

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speak about, you had mentioned that some of these videos

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that the Pentagon released you had actually looked at and uh.

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it'd be really cool if you could say on air, oh, yeah,

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this is this is a video that I analyzed and

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what happened with that?

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Speaker 3: My security office, an officer said no, no, I mean

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he said a lot more words than that, but appreciated

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me asking and for just you know, not worth it

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type reasons and many others that it is not smart

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for me to say, yes, I know what that is.

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I've seen that and helped with that one. So I

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cannot officially, you know, point a finger and say I

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did that or I didn't.

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Speaker 1: So so nine days ago, Trump releases these The Trump

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administration released these twenty eight D classified videos and it

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was something I think you called the pursue system or

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something like that. What was your reaction when you saw

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the news? You know, of course, one of the issues

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with putting out any kind of video or photo is

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that you're always going to have a group of people

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that are going to be disappointed because you know everybody.

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movie from so many people and they really like hype

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it up, and no matter how good the movie is,

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because you've had all of this hype, when you go

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to see the movies, sometimes you're let down. What was

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your reaction were you let down or were you pretty

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pretty excited about it?

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Speaker 3: I'll run through the emotions. Initially, super duper excited. I

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didn't expect so many pages worth of information out there,

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and I thought it was a massive step for the

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government itself. I mean, in the early days when we

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talked about disclosure, what that meant was the government. One

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of the things that it meant was the government acknowledging

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it had classified data for decades of UAPs and UFO's

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out there. And that happened. So that was a huge moment,

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and I felt so so proud, might tear up because

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so proud to have even a small fraction of a

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part in it that I just I had so many

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feelings of emotions of pride and happiness. And then when

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little bit of a disappointment. But I've been saying in

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my interviews this whole time, for anybody who's seen my

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past interviews that I knew the public would be disappointed

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because it's hard to see in the data, just like

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what will probably go through now, it's so hard to

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a proud moment. I've been saying there's so much out

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transcript and those kinds of things had been released before,

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to President Trump for for taking this on. And you know,

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real meat of the issue and and move on to

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the real, real meal. And who is that.

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Speaker 3: At scriptime? He decided to join like he tends to.

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Speaker 1: So oh yeah, I love cat. Unfortunately he's welcome on

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the show, on the show anytime. But anyway, Yeah, so

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it would have been great to see like a close

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up of the tic tac or or you know, something

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like that. But but just the fact that these came out,

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and the fact that they came out on a government website.

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the New York Times. You guys, do what do with

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it whatever you want. I mean, this was the government

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putting us out. So I think I think it's a win.

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I certainly hope we get to see more compelling stuff.

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I have a feeling that we will. I know, Anna

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Polina Luna is really fighting for that. Sorry, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: I'm really I'm really hopeful though that like this, like

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big optimist. I think everybody out there knows that about me,

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or else it wouldn't be in the seat and continue

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talking about what I do. But I'm really hopeful, and

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in my beautiful mind that I have, it's like the

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like the military involvement, because they were a huge factor

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and a lot of these recovery missions. So I know

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that's a lot of optimism people. But I'm going to

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stay hopeful and I'm going to hope and manifest for that.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely love that. So before we get into these videos,

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and I just kind of picked a batch of what

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I thought were interesting and then some that I think

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were maybe not so interesting. But I think it's always

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good to kind of, you know, be able to compare

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the good stuff to maybe the stuff that is not

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quite as compelling. And of course I think that there

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were a few of them that were debunked by by

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Mick West, and he was probably a in a debunking,

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so so I think that that's certainly useful too. But

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before we roll into any of these, give us give

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us a crash course as an image analyst. What do

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you look for when you you know, when you're looking

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at this kind of footage, what's uh, you know, what's

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the test the kind of the tests that you run.

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And of course we understand you can't speak about anything

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classified or or any anything that kind of relates to

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classified processes or whatever, but is there a way of

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kind of explaining to us what you do in your

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in your professional job.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the first thing if I get a video

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or an image, I look at the whole thing multiple

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times and don't take it for face value anymore. It's

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sometimes when you look at things like one of the

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videos that you're going to show is the eight point

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at star face volume, WHOA, that's crazy, and then when

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you actually hit the plenty button that tells a different story.

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So when you look at all of the data that

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you have, you have to think about each point right. Unfortunately,

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they didn't release any metadata or any background data for

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the videos, include like weather data is important as well,

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but I understand because of it being from a classified

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sensor and a classific classified platform, because you don't want

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US and analyes don't want our adversaries having our technology,

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so we wouldn't want them having our sensor data if

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they don't have it already. So I get not releasing

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metadata also really frustrating from a scientist because that's super

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important to look at it. So I feel like I'm like,

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you know, like the judgment thing the way scales like

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like balanced right now, because I don't want our sensitive

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proprietary information out, but I also want it out so

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we could properly analyze the data. So that's what I

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would do. I would look at it as a whole.

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A few times. I would start researching weather, what the

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wind was, like, the cloud level. I would start that.

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Those would be my first steps, and then it would

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be of course, the location, reaching out to people analysts

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that might be more familiar in the area who reported this,

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So was it a person, was it a pilot, and

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reach out to them to get more information from them,

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like did they have emotions and feelings while they saw

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some of these, because that that is also a big factor. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll leave it with that, sure, But in general, like

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people can look at this stuff and I would imagine

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come to a pretty good conclusion on their own without

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having a big technical background, right, Like, it's it's some

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of the stuff. I think it's probably pretty obvious, right, Oh.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely some of it. I immediately, like I said, the

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eight pointed Star, when you first see it, you're like, WHOA,

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that's crazy, And then when you see the entire video,

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you're like, that's something's not right here. The mathing math mathing,

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and you could easily pick up that it's likely not

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a UAP.

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So let's uh, let's dig into some of

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this here. Okay, so thank you for having me on

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to do this. Oh no, no, absolutely, So I'm a

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little bit disorganized today, but you know, try and try

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and get my acts together. Okay. So so this one is, uh,

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it's an unresolved UAP report in the Middle East. I'm

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going to play it here and just feel free to

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comment or and this thing will be on a loop.

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So uh yeah, So so here's this one, and again

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this is all on a loop, so uh gonna fly.

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Speaker 3: On my screen. That's really hard to see. Oh there's okay, okay,

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so that's the eight point of start that I was

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talking about. You could see the smoke trail and then

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often too, I don't know which side people are seeing this,

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but on one of the sides you could see something

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that's like kind of floating. It was pretty quickly debumped

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like it was a parachute and a flair. But that so,

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when you have an ire A thermal camera, there's pixel saturation,

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and different levels of saturation mean different things. And and

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then again, if you had the beta data, you could

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actually measure the hotness of some event and do more

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nerdy things with the data that way. But from me

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just looking at this without hitting play on this video.

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The first time I saw it, I immediately knew this

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was not a UAP because of the significant pixel saturation.

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Oh there it goes, so you can see like the

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little parachute up there. Oh yeah, and bec because of

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that eight pointed star. That's significant pixel saturation, and so

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it creates the star wars. And that's similar to there's

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a really famous Hubble image that was taken I think

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in the mid nineties or something I forget when mid

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to late nineties, and it's of like thousands of galaxies

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in the image and then a couple of stars. You

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can easily pick out which are the stars in the

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image because they have a smaller starbars pattern like that.

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This is more because it's hot hot. The stars aren't

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is hot because it's there's so much a distance there.

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But yeah, so there's a little bit of image analyst

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work there for you and image scientists actually, right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, now that was that was definitely interesting. Okay.

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Number two here this is from what I understand, first

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ever AFRICAM video. What is AFRICAM.

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Speaker 3: Africa Command. So the military breaks up some branches of support,

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so you have Sintcom Central Command africam Africa. So there's

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different regions of throughout the world that is divided. So

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when you say sentcom, you know that's the Middle East.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well a lot.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what's proper what the proper term is anymore.

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Sorry if I got that wrong.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no problem, okay. So let's see here. This

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is video number two. This one's pretty short. It just

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looks like there's something sort of shooting shooting down. You

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can barely see it at the bottom of the screen.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Katie, we see it of ice screen. For some reason.

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The only thing I see on the main screen for

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me is the the web page.

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Speaker 1: Hmm okay, that's uh oh, I think I know. Why

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hold on one second. Let's see I'm gonna dump out

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of this.

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Speaker 3: So while we're holding on, I could actually talk, if

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that's okay, sure, yeah, I was so regarding the whole

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Oh there it is. I can hould off on what

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I was going to say because it's there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, go for it. So yeah, so all I see

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is just at the very bottom of white dot kind

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of floating by, sort of unremarkable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So things like this, I would I mean, when

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we would get similar things during the Task Force days.

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It was hard to prove or disprove because it was

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so quick. And then you also don't know so many

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factors of course, like all the data is blocked out there, right,

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so you don't know altitude, you don't know speed, you

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don't you don't know anything regarding this sensor in this

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platform from what we could see here, but you would

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start looking more into okay, that that that was probably

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a bird type things that might not be duplicated. It

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was really small, so that would it wouldn't necessarily be

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unidentified as in it's a UAP, but unidentified is as

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and we just don't have have enough data to say

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what it is or what it is.

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Speaker 1: That okay, gotcha, gotcha? Okay, So let's see here next one.

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So this is unresolved. You a p report, Department of

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the Army, twenty twenty six. The location is North North America.

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It's the most most recent incident in this release. Department

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of the Army. Submitter said it was it was rare.

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So let's see here. So this is what number three?

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What are we looking at?

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Speaker 3: Hold on, Delijah, No, I'm just looking I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's okay to me.

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Speaker 3: Like it's it. I don't know, it's like a boat

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to me. People probably aren't happy with this, but there's

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some sort of because it's so bright, you see like

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a light pattern that's above, so that again kind of

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goes with, oh gosh, it's not going to be in

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the right term. It's not pixel saturation, but I forget

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the right term for that. I don't know. If I

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looked at this one the other day, that is really funny.

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I could a store. I looked at everything.

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Speaker 1: No, no, that's okay, So yeah, I it's it's again

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it's like really kind of hard to tell, like what

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is going on with this?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: It almost like when I'm looking at it, it's sort

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of like looks like two car headlights, but there really isn't.

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Just kind of looking here at.

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Speaker 3: The what it also looks like to me because I

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when I was in North Carolina looking at the Brown

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Mountain lights, it looks whenever you're looking through like night vision,

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it looks like two hikers with headlamps on. Like that's

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what the looked like to be. But I'm not saying

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that's what that is, of course, but I'm just saying

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it resembles it I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know is this did it?

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Speaker 3: Does the report say if it's in the air see

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that again. You can't see any metadata. You don't know

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if you're looking at water, if you're looking at.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what. I'm not quite sure on

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this one, so you.

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Speaker 3: Know, And because that looks like a boat, yeah, back

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to me, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right in the camera, Hold on a second, I'll bring

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it back up again. Yeah, because it like it almost

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sort of looks like it's you have the two sort

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of main circles, but then if you look at circles alike,

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but then if you look below it, it looks like

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they're being reflected off of a surface exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it's almost like the wake as well,

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like if if this is a boat. So I again

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you know, no metadata, you can't tell. So it's really frustrating.

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But it does look like it's looking at water, looks

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almost like a week is behind it, perhaps you know,

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the moon's illuminating or something. But that doesn't look like

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it's unidentified. It's like it doesn't look like a UAP

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to me. And it's not moving, you know, erratically, but

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you don't know if it's parallax either because there's no metadata.

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Speaker 1: Right, okay, And you've described this as kind of like

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flipping through a rollo deex of known explanations until there's

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something that doesn't fit. Like obviously you're you're looking at

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this right now and you're like, yeah, it looks like

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it looks like a boat, you know. So how often

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would you say that stuff you in the UAP world

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that you've come across, Like if you were to assign

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a percentage of stuff that you were able to assign

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a prosaic explanation to, what would that percentage be versus

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like the stuff you look at and you're like, I

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don't know what that is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I I never like putting a percentage on this

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because I never I make it up on the spot

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because it's really small and people work in numbers, so

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it's to me just really frustrating that. I mean, I

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really don't know, but it's a really small percentage, so

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like you know, five to ten percent or actually like

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five percent or less type thing, because a lot of

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them are just like the data that we see on

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the website right now, we really it's inconclusive, right, Like

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you don't know if one of them is a balloon

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floating on the wind, or parallax, or if it's a

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bird in parallax because you know. So parallax for those

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that don't know, is when the objects right in front

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of you they move, they seem to be moving at

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a different speed than something behind you. So it's like

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when you're writing in a car and you're looking out.

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The stuff right on the side of the road looks

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to be moving really fast, but if you're looking at

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you know, mountain neer or a mountain in the background

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that doesn't look to be moving much at all. So

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that's parallax. The different types of movement according to your

475
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,000
reference point, which is your eyeballs or the sensor.

476
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: Okay, got it, all right, Let's see here we are

477
00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:12,799
on too. Let's see what this is. Number four. This

478
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,079
is unresolved u A P Report INDO pac Com. Department

479
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:22,440
of War Location, INDO pac Com. Let's see. Uh all right,

480
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:24,960
let's see this is what number four?

481
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,759
Speaker 3: You're so tiny, that's so frustrating.

482
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's you know, so when I'm looking at

483
00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:45,359
this one like this feels I mean.

484
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,799
Speaker 3: To me, this would be like if I was an

485
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:51,839
analyst in my seat researching it The first thing I

486
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,480
would do is look up the weather data because to

487
00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:58,160
me that that doesn't look like a UAP. It's not

488
00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:02,759
making the sudden movements. It's not doing maneuverables. You don't know.

489
00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:05,799
We have no idea what the camera's doing. I know,

490
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:09,839
wind farm. Maybe it's a bird because it's like making

491
00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:12,960
like the gradual movements. I really don't know. So I'm

492
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,400
just spitballing right now. I would need to look at

493
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,400
more data. I mean, going through the wind farm does

494
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,720
look pretty crazy, but I don't see any sudden stops yet.

495
00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:29,720
I don't see any sudden acceleration or altitude like very

496
00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:31,039
quick altitude changes.

497
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to do here. Let me see if

498
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:35,440
I can.

499
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: I think we could rule out it's not a balloon

500
00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:41,599
because it is kind of going all all over the place.

501
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: I was trying to see if I can pause, if

502
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,400
I can see you trying to see if I can

503
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,880
pause it where I don't know, if I'll be able

504
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:57,519
to get the frames like behind or something. Yeah, that's

505
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,119
uh because it's.

506
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 3: A good capture and so Indo Paycolm is in an

507
00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:07,720
area where there are a significant amount of UAPs reported,

508
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:10,839
So having this long of a video, and for them

509
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,240
to release it, I think is amazing. I just you

510
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:21,200
need you need more, you need more background information to

511
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,519
really figure out if it's a U, A P or not.

512
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: Now what's interesting here. It may be difficult to see

513
00:30:28,759 --> 00:30:31,640
on on your smaller screen, but I was able to

514
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:36,519
freeze it at a point where it looks like it

515
00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:40,640
looks like the orb is being cut in half by

516
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,400
by that by that windmill, which which I'm guessing from

517
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:48,920
what I'm looking at here is it would be to

518
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,480
the foreground or be in front in front of this thing. Uh,

519
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:54,759
And I'm not going to be able to kind of

520
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:56,720
let's see.

521
00:30:57,759 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't see it. So sometimes with thermal cameras

522
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:08,519
you also get I'm not remembering the proper term right now,

523
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,400
but it's uh, it's it's an artifact of the thermal sensor.

524
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,000
I'm not saying that's what that is here because I

525
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:19,599
can't see it, and I don't. I've learned my lesson

526
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,960
and I don't want to lean into my camera into

527
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,799
my my laptop screen to look at it.

528
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: See.

529
00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: No one needs to see this that closely my face.

530
00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:30,599
Speaker 1: Wait, and I can't.

531
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: To me, I would, I would just call this unidentified

532
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,240
and not necessarily it's not necessarily classified as a UAP,

533
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,200
but it's unidentified, so you can't tell what it is.

534
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,119
It's not moving in a straight line. It doesn't look

535
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,559
like it's floating along the wind like a balloon would be.

536
00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: But I would yeah, sorry, so I didn't notice this

537
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:59,079
at the beginning of the of the video because it

538
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,759
is kind of hard to see. But but in this frame,

539
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:05,359
which is the beginning of the frame, you see the

540
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,519
windmills at the bottom. So at this point, whatever this

541
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:12,680
is is at a at a at a higher altitude

542
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,279
than uh, you know, than the than the windmill, you know,

543
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:18,839
the top of the windmills. I'm just going to cut.

544
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,359
Speaker 3: That's also perhaps not true because it just might be

545
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,559
further away and it would appear to be at a

546
00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:27,839
higher altitude. Okay, Okay, so that's when some of that

547
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,200
parallax comes into play. So you we would we would

548
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:36,680
need the sensor data and and what we would add

549
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:39,359
like I would want to talk to, you know, the

550
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:44,039
drone operator to see what they were doing whenever they

551
00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:48,759
spotted it, Like, did it just like randomly appear was

552
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:51,319
it maneuvering before you were able to capture it, and

553
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,400
the fact that they're able to have it in the

554
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,119
frame the whole time, to me also means it's not

555
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:56,680
moving that.

556
00:32:56,799 --> 00:33:02,759
Speaker 1: Fast when playing it back the one go ahead.

557
00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 3: Sorry, oh no, I would say the ones that we

558
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:13,000
were truly one hundred percent unidentified possible UAP situation would

559
00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:15,880
be when like the camera operator couldn't keep it in

560
00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:20,319
the you know, in the crosshairs or in the lens

561
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,039
because it would suddenly accelerate and they would have to

562
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,559
like retrack it and find it again.

563
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: Would it and I won't cut to your close up?

564
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,160
Would it help you to be able to lean into

565
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:36,359
your laptop to be able to see it. That's really funny,

566
00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:40,920
promise problems. I'm not going to punk you, and so

567
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,039
I'm gonna start it back over.

568
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,319
Speaker 3: It's so funny. I mean, my lighting is really good

569
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:48,799
right now.

570
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,119
Speaker 1: But yep, so I'm going to keep my mask.

571
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: I would just oh, you're okay. I would still I mean,

572
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,720
my comments aren't really good to change. I would still

573
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,279
want more data and you know, I mean, I'm still

574
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:05,519
a scientist. Even though I do see it kind of

575
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:08,719
look like it's split. So you also see a thing

576
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,039
with flear So this is a good example, you could

577
00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:16,639
see dead pixels, so up every once in a while,

578
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,000
you'll like if you if you clause it right now,

579
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,159
I could point it out to you. So down in

580
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,760
the bottom left there's like a little l that's you know,

581
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:29,519
there's kind of just up into the left there's a

582
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:30,400
white spot.

583
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:31,559
Speaker 1: So there.

584
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:36,119
Speaker 3: So with with sensors, there's dead pixels once in a while,

585
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,039
and sometimes we actually used to get reports of UAPs

586
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:42,760
and they were actually dead pixels on the sensor itself.

587
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:48,800
So that's another fun example to show of what was

588
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,079
sent to us and what wasn't.

589
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 1: Okay, but clearly what's moving around isn't a dead pixel.

590
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 3: No, no, no, a great yeah. Correct.

591
00:34:57,639 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: Now, Now, one thing I want to point out here

592
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,320
is that, Okay, so you can see that the camera

593
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,280
to my eye looks like it's it's panning left because

594
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,320
you're seeing the terrain move below it. So we're, uh,

595
00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:14,840
we're continuing to slew left. Then the camera stops slewing

596
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,519
and a bit because you can see that the terrain

597
00:35:18,639 --> 00:35:23,800
movement below is pretty minimal. Uh so it's like the

598
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,039
camera slewing, stop slewing here, and this thing is still

599
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:33,119
moving around and changing directions and zipping around with pretty

600
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,400
pretty erratic movement while the terrain is frozen. So to me,

601
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:40,400
that would say that the camera is not slewing and

602
00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:41,360
that right in.

603
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 3: Here that that could also So that's that's still a

604
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,920
part of parallax because you really don't know if the

605
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,800
clouds are moving under there, if terrain like it's it's

606
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,320
hard for me to see what all of that is.

607
00:35:56,559 --> 00:36:01,800
So yes, and it appears like that, and it's obviously

608
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,800
moving again, right because we're seeing these these the wind

609
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,239
farm and I really like, I really like looking at

610
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,760
the windmills. They look really cool and thermal.

611
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 1: You do see one thing I've noticed, and again I

612
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,239
can't really like sort of slow this down, but you

613
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,760
will see the the dot blip out in some places

614
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,400
and not in others, which to me says that in

615
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:29,119
some places it's been blind yeah, in front of behind.

616
00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 3: And I can definitely see that it's going in between.

617
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:38,760
And what's like, I can even hear some of the people,

618
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,800
some of my friends, I can probably like I could

619
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,280
hear their voice saying that's a bird and discounting it.

620
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,960
But I would say I would want more data to

621
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,480
to properly look at this like and see what it

622
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:53,800
is because I don't I mean, my brain has ruled

623
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,000
out balloon, so it's definitely not a balloon from the

624
00:36:56,119 --> 00:36:57,079
movements that's happening.

625
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:04,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if can you again, I don't

626
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,440
like parallax, I don't understand et cetera. But like you know,

627
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:13,079
so so we know in general like probably and I

628
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:15,239
don't know what that number is, but like what the

629
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,480
typical height is of of a wind farm, of each uh,

630
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:22,679
you know, each whatever you call that thing generator or whatnot.

631
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:29,400
So with that, could you figure out essentially the if

632
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:32,159
if if you were to like put a scale ruler

633
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,760
up to one of those wind farm things and and

634
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:38,039
it's two inches wide on or two inches tall on screen,

635
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,039
could you then translate that into what the real height

636
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,719
is and then looking at what what this dot goes

637
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,480
behind each one? Could you? Yes? So then you could

638
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:50,320
like figure.

639
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 3: Out for sure you can get part of physics like

640
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:57,000
the height of those especially the location absolutely, and then

641
00:37:57,079 --> 00:38:02,280
you could figure out like the relatives and what about speed.

642
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,159
But you know, something that gets into what I would

643
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:09,400
call image science, and you could do menstruation and figure out,

644
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:14,880
you know, how many meters that object likely is from

645
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:18,599
you know, you pause it when it goes behind one

646
00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:21,079
of the poles and it blacks out, so you could say, okay,

647
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,360
so it's not as wide as one of those poles.

648
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:27,440
You could have like let's say, I'm not even gonna speculate,

649
00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:31,199
but however, the diameter of the pole the objects smaller

650
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,880
than so you start calculating size, and then you could

651
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,960
relative relatively make it to calculate speed and stuff from

652
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:44,519
perhaps like this the speed of the what you call them,

653
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:45,440
the blades are moving.

654
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah, now that that is interesting. Okay, cool, cool,

655
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:52,559
And then that's just.

656
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 3: Like weather data is also important, and I.

657
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: Would imagine that's going to be the problem with these

658
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:03,920
videos is for you, like as a professional image analyst,

659
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,679
it sounds like you're missing a lot of context, a

660
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,199
lot of the data. So if they're not going to

661
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,400
release it, it sounds like we're not going to really know,

662
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:15,719
one way or another if this thing, if this stuff

663
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:16,639
is truly anomalous.

664
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,079
Speaker 3: Correct, And yeah, absolutely So that's what was frustrating for

665
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:24,360
the government to say, Okay, we're releasing all of this data.

666
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:27,719
You've been asking for it. I'm you know, here's my

667
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,960
promise fulfilled. But it's we still can't really do anything

668
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:34,599
with it, right, Like just trying to look at that

669
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,159
face value, it's still really hard. It looks cool, it

670
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,840
looks anomalous, but we don't know. So that was the

671
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,320
frustrating part. And another frustrating part of the information drop

672
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,320
was I don't know if anybody else noticed, but there

673
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,480
was a lot of information not provided. There was a

674
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:57,280
handful of years gap that happened to be like when

675
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:02,000
Luelazondo was in charge of was it a WASP or

676
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:03,960
I forget what acrodem it was at the time, then

677
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,880
the task force that I was on a tip, Yeah,

678
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:10,280
it was a WASP. That was it was an a tip,

679
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:17,679
a WASP, and then task force Area what whatever whatever above? Yeah, exactly,

680
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,440
So it was never a how could I add a

681
00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:27,320
W in it? That's so funny. So data wasn't provided

682
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:30,960
from most of those years. I thought that was an

683
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,159
interesting thing. So I wanted, I'm again going to be

684
00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:38,039
optimistic that I'll say data wasn't provided yet from those times,

685
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:41,000
but I do know there was a lot out there

686
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:46,400
and I saw like almost zero of it. There was,

687
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:51,280
you know, one video that I got to somewhat help with,

688
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:55,480
and I say, that lightly because I was doing you know,

689
00:40:55,599 --> 00:41:01,079
some turnover to somebody on the ERRO side of things

690
00:41:01,159 --> 00:41:04,800
and like helping do the lay down of like here's

691
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,679
what we do, here's you know, go to this place

692
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,960
to reach out to like m Q nine operators, And

693
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:13,880
so I did get to help with one, but there

694
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,440
was no task for his data.

695
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So we're going to take a really really

696
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,320
quick quick break here, So quick breather, folks. We're about

697
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,880
halfway through. We've got a few more videos that we're

698
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,119
going to look at, and then we're going to get

699
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:30,840
into the woo stuff. She has some really interesting stuff

700
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,480
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702
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703
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705
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706
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707
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And yeah, let's get back to after my little shameless

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plug here, let's let's get back to to some more

731
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:17,960
some more videos. So let's see here, So that was okay,

732
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:21,320
this one we just looked at all, right, this one

733
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,199
here and again I'm not going to cut your close up,

734
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,360
so I'm not gonna be uh looking, uh looking at

735
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,159
the close up of your nose. Okay, So this says

736
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:35,559
Pacific Cluster Pair Unresolved u AP Report INDO pat Com,

737
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,719
Department of War. This is in Japan. This is uh

738
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:46,440
uh let's see. Uh yeah, that's kind of all I

739
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:48,719
have on it. Uh, what the hell is this?

740
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: I don't know. Japan's a very hot spot. I even

741
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:04,480
have a I'm gonna I'm I'm so sorry. So I

742
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:07,400
have a good friend that was in the Navy and

743
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:10,719
stationed over there for a while, and he said almost

744
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,159
nightly they would see something and they would send jets

745
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:17,559
out to look and to figure out what it was.

746
00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:20,119
It wouldn't show up on radars, and then sometimes it would.

747
00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:22,599
It was like very once in a while, I was

748
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:27,199
like it observed to be something playful. Uh. But yeah,

749
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,079
that whole area is a massive hot spot, and I'm

750
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:34,159
glad I don't have sensory issues right now because that's

751
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,960
kind of nauseating watching it, like bounce and stuff. So

752
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,920
it's hard to tell if the camera is you know, stable,

753
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:47,280
or if these things are bouncing around, you know, I'll

754
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,760
revert back to weather. So I have no idea what

755
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,239
these little what these little fun nuggets are.

756
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's definitely definitely hard to tell. Okay,

757
00:44:56,559 --> 00:44:59,719
let's see. Let's look at I think this next one

758
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,760
and resolve you AP report Middle East in twenty twenty this.

759
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,000
Let's see number six here. Actually I have some conflicting information.

760
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:20,000
It says southern United States, so it could be wrong. Yeah,

761
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:23,800
so you know, I see like a target in the

762
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:27,800
in the radical there that looks like it's tracking in

763
00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:33,159
some clouds. But that's kind of it. There's really kind

764
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:34,559
of doesn't really tell.

765
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:39,079
Speaker 3: You much, right, Yeah, it doesn't. So, I mean it

766
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,360
kind of looks like it's just floating at a steady pace.

767
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,280
So I like to think of looking for the maneuverables.

768
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:53,159
Is it suddenly stopping, accelerating, decreasing, increasing and altitude very quickly.

769
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,000
Kind of looks like a you know, maybe a weather

770
00:45:56,039 --> 00:45:59,840
balloon floating around, although the payload, oh there goes. The

771
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:03,519
payload is really really hot. So I don't know about

772
00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:07,960
the weather balloon. Because the polyurythane of the balloons usually

773
00:46:08,039 --> 00:46:11,079
don't get that hot, but you could see the equipment

774
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,519
like either inside of it or what's hanging below it

775
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:17,039
really well, so I yeah, not sure. So this is

776
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:19,079
kind of like now you guys are seeing like this

777
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,960
is how the analyst brain works of trying to go

778
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:24,800
through to figure out stuff when it's face value and

779
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,840
you have no other information, which thankfully I was always

780
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:35,079
lucky to have more information doing the analysis when you know,

781
00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:38,440
I was supporting the task force on this. Oh, as

782
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,559
soon as it goes out, it gets closer. That looks

783
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:41,360
really interesting.

784
00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: Now let me get back to that part. And I'm

785
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:49,599
guessing if you were looking at the unredacted version with

786
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,480
all the heads up display data, it would make it

787
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:56,119
much easier for you to say whether this is prosaic

788
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,800
or not or is that even necessarily true?

789
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, because there's a lot of parallacks going on

790
00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:08,519
there with seeing the cloud layers behind it and the movements,

791
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,199
it's really hard to tell the speed of the object,

792
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,880
which again, if you had all the data, you would

793
00:47:14,519 --> 00:47:21,519
be able to potentially figure out the speed and the altitude. Yeah,

794
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:26,719
that's just really yeah, you can't really do much science

795
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,119
with any of this stuff right right, although that looks

796
00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:33,440
really crazy. Oh you promised would do that.

797
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about that. You'll look great from all angles,

798
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,360
so uh. And I also want to point I want

799
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,599
to point out to the audience of folks at the

800
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,000
end here. Please, if you have questions for Sarah, put

801
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:48,320
them in the chat, put them in all caps, and

802
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,440
we will we will ask those or I'll ask those

803
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,480
questions to Sarah on air. Okay, let's see here, here's

804
00:47:55,639 --> 00:48:06,039
number seven and cool. It looks like something zip and

805
00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:08,599
by now let me see if I can, I'm.

806
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 3: Gonna say freeze frame. So this one when I when

807
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,400
I first saw this, when I got excited because like,

808
00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:20,039
this is a lot of the type of data that

809
00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:23,639
we saw you. It's quick, don't know what it is.

810
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,719
It's hard to like the drone operator. Likely they couldn't

811
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,639
go find it because I also might be looking at

812
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:34,519
a mission. But how fast that's going. That's leaving like

813
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:38,000
a thermal shadow as well. I mean it might maybe

814
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:41,599
it's like smokers. I don't think of smoked. But that's

815
00:48:41,639 --> 00:48:44,519
a good pause. Excellent, You're not like zoomed in on

816
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:45,039
me right now?

817
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 1: Right?

818
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 3: No, so that it's so cool. So this was this.

819
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:55,320
This video got me excited because this is a good

820
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,440
example of what we were dealing with on a regular basis,

821
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,960
not having the best quality data, not you know, perhaps

822
00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:07,679
like the kid the drone operator didn't want to have

823
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,239
a go back to talk to him on what it was.

824
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,360
That they also was what to less than two seconds

825
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,800
long or something, so they also are like, I don't

826
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:21,920
know what it was, but you know it was recorded. Yeah,

827
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:24,920
so a lot of stuff was unidentified and it just

828
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:25,920
was inconclusive.

829
00:49:27,159 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: And it says here, sorry, this is seven so I'm

830
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:35,360
just reading here. Department of War Shortest in the release

831
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:41,280
mission report labels it as possible missile. Let's see here

832
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,840
at the two second mark, the video depicts area of

833
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:48,320
contrast moving left to right the bottom third of the video.

834
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:49,760
I mean, could this thing be a missile?

835
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 3: I would think you would have had some sort of

836
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,119
missile warning, missile defense systems letting people know that a

837
00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:03,519
missile was going, and you wouldn't release it as unidentified data. Okay,

838
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:08,239
So I mean, sure, it's definitely possible. I don't think

839
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,159
I've ever I never bothered looking at a lot of

840
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,559
missile data in things like this either, So I have

841
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,599
nothing to go off of a baseline of what a

842
00:50:18,679 --> 00:50:21,760
missile would look like if you paused it and it

843
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,440
went through the frame. And so I would want that

844
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,039
at first, like I would want to go find a

845
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:34,880
similar set of videos to see what a missile looks like.

846
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,199
I just have never been in a job where I

847
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,320
had to watch that kind of stuff all the time. Thankfully.

848
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,840
Yeah you would. My first thought is you would have

849
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,280
missile warning and defense and perhaps not label it as

850
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:54,360
unidentified then because you would have the information looks really

851
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,000
cool though, I really like it definitely, and it doesn't

852
00:50:57,039 --> 00:50:59,559
look like you don't see the Star Wars pattern, no

853
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:03,599
picks saturation, but you see either I'll go ahead and

854
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:07,800
call it smoke or a thermal shadow behind it. So

855
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,719
sometimes that happens as an artifact of the sensor because

856
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,440
something might either be super hot or super cold, and

857
00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:16,639
the pixel value the pixels will still have to have

858
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,599
time to shift and change. It's like and cool down

859
00:51:21,679 --> 00:51:24,280
type things that the it is a more of a

860
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,119
hot run sensor. Maybe technology is adjusted and it doesn't anymore,

861
00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:31,480
but at least at least in my day when I

862
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:35,559
was looking at this stuff things, the IR sensors ran

863
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:37,320
hotter and took more power.

864
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: The fact that this thing is like jet black, what

865
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:42,800
does that tell us?

866
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 3: That just depends on what the sensor is doing. So

867
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,239
you might have hot black, hot is black or hot

868
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,559
is white, so white could be hot, black could be hot.

869
00:51:55,679 --> 00:51:58,840
So it depends on the pixel. I'm sorry, on the

870
00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:05,000
view data, and we don't have it looks like I

871
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:07,000
don't know, I can't even tell it is that trees

872
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:10,119
down there? Trees look like they're cold, So maybe it's

873
00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:13,599
a cold object. I'm speculating now because we don't have

874
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,320
any All of that stuff would be on what's omitted.

875
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, let's.

876
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 3: Say you know, hot, hot or cold and what is what?

877
00:52:26,519 --> 00:52:30,119
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's see here. So this is number eight.

878
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,760
Let me get over the right page. Okay, here we go.

879
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:37,079
Speaker 3: Ooked.

880
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: This says, it says longest from Sorry, go ahead.

881
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,599
Speaker 3: Oh no, I was joking that it's a boat and

882
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,599
then you and then it zoomed in. I said, yes,

883
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:52,840
I'm sorry, I was. I was making a silly joke and.

884
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: I don't really like so I see a boat, but

885
00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:59,880
it's like I don't really now now this actually this

886
00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:07,039
clip is about four minutes long. So okay.

887
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 3: Now, so that is an artifact of the sensor and somehow,

888
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,320
some sometimes how things are overlaid with each other. So

889
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:20,719
kind of like James Web telescope will make different patterns

890
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:26,079
when there's pixel saturation because that's how the mirrors are. Well,

891
00:53:26,119 --> 00:53:28,679
this isn't a mirror, of course, because James Web is

892
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,119
a different optical sensor, like something that looks like something

893
00:53:32,159 --> 00:53:37,559
in the water, but you could see the pattern of

894
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:40,159
the sensor itself, which is really cool. So that's similar

895
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,360
to like electro optical sensors when they have the mirror

896
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,760
patterns and create different starbursts from that mirror pattern as well.

897
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense. I'm sorry, Yeah no, yeah, no,

898
00:53:54,039 --> 00:53:56,440
it definitely does. Okay, so it looks like what they're

899
00:53:56,599 --> 00:54:01,519
they're tracking this kind of white ball and we're just

900
00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:04,519
going to kind of continue to let this play through

901
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,719
and feel free to I'm not going to cut to

902
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:08,400
your close up.

903
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,519
Speaker 1: I'll stay on this. If you need the lean inky.

904
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:18,519
Speaker 3: Thank you, I'm you're warned. I'm leaned in. Is that

905
00:54:18,599 --> 00:54:20,880
really fun to go through all this? It makes me

906
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:25,960
miss looking at it as well. I mean that that

907
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:32,440
there's no maneuverables there's kinds I it's floating on the wind,

908
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:40,159
flying on the wind. Maybe that's a good way to

909
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,400
see parallax as well. So you see the background is

910
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,360
moving in a different direction than the object. So it's

911
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,480
going to be difficult for our brains to really see

912
00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:55,320
how fast or be able to tell how fast it's going,

913
00:54:56,199 --> 00:54:58,800
because the background is moving at a different speed than

914
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,440
the o itself that we're focused on.

915
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,079
Speaker 1: Now, does it look like the camera is So if

916
00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:12,960
we go back here, if the camera is slewing at

917
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,320
a certain kind of vector, which it doesn't, well, I

918
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,519
actually may be slewing a little changing direction a little bit.

919
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,679
But does does this even tell you anything? The way

920
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,559
this thing is kind of floating in relation to the centerretical?

921
00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:32,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would start thinking this would just be a

922
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,480
balloon like floating kind of in the wind, because it

923
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:45,480
looks like it's going in a similar direction. I'm still sorry,

924
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:47,119
I got quikes. I'm still looking at it.

925
00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, Now that looks like it's up against water.

926
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, it's always it skimming in the water. I

927
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:58,000
can't tell.

928
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,199
Speaker 1: Oh, it kinda so right there, kind.

929
00:56:02,119 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 3: Of like a rock like skipping skipping over the water.

930
00:56:06,159 --> 00:56:09,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna happen here in a second. Right here,

931
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:12,800
it looks really cool.

932
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 3: Maybe it's a bird.

933
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,079
Speaker 1: Getting some fish. Yeah maybe yeah, maybe it could have

934
00:56:20,119 --> 00:56:24,800
been a bird. Yeah yeah, so maybe maybe Mcwest's seagull. Okay,

935
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,159
so let's see here. So that was let's see I

936
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:36,440
think it was number seven eight. Oh, let's see now

937
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,639
that looks like I don't know what that what that

938
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,280
is because it looks like it's got a tail hanging

939
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:44,760
below it.

940
00:56:46,599 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. When I first saw this the other day, my

941
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:54,480
first thought was I got excited. Is like sometimes there's

942
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,880
the jet path looking u A p s.

943
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: Right.

944
00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry not anticipate that hiccup too quickly, so

945
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,239
I would have thought, like my first thought before I

946
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,360
really hit play was, oh my gosh, this is gonna

947
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,039
be one of the jetpackyaps. And it kind of doesn't.

948
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,480
It resembles more of like a balloon. So when you

949
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:22,880
have some weather balloons again, like the polyurythane usually could

950
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,000
see through so it won't be overly hot. But sometimes

951
00:57:26,039 --> 00:57:29,679
they do have like a metallic layer in them, but

952
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,280
their payload is dropped down below them, and so you

953
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:34,800
could see the payload like that.

954
00:57:35,519 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: So this to me.

955
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:43,039
Speaker 3: Resembled more of a weather balloon type video. Again, have

956
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,880
really no clue because of not having meta data to

957
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,960
go with it, but this resembles a lot of the

958
00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:54,079
weather balloon type data I've seen of the payloads. So

959
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,119
the payloads drop down and like tethered through either like

960
00:57:58,239 --> 00:58:03,440
some fiber optics or maybe actual like cables, and the

961
00:58:03,719 --> 00:58:06,639
system itself that collects a lot of the weather stuff

962
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,280
is floats down below it.

963
00:58:09,199 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: Okay, there's another one. Oh sorry, that looks like same one.

964
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, this crazy, this is almost to me. I was like,

965
00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:22,400
is that a dirigible? Also? Super happy? I just got

966
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,239
to say dirigible on this and.

967
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:25,559
Speaker 1: What does that mean? I've never heard of.

968
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 3: Dirigible is a fun word for uh balloon? It was

969
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:40,079
the one that crashed. Oh there's a dirigible base down

970
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:46,239
in North Carolina. Okay, oh my gosh, anyone out there

971
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,079
help I don't have YouTube up to help me to

972
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:50,360
read the comments.

973
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: So this this could definitely be another balloon. Yeah.

974
00:58:55,639 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 3: So the oh my gosh, I can't believe I'm blinking

975
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,719
right now. It was like it's super famous balloon ship

976
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:07,119
thing that crashed. Oh my gosh, It's like what was

977
00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:09,840
in Indiana? Jones in one of the Indiana Jones movies.

978
00:59:10,719 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, anyone, Okay, not sure, Okay, hello.

979
00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 3: So but those are used as at least they used

980
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,559
to be. I still, I don't know if this is

981
00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:25,440
an active thing still or not. But they are tet

982
00:59:25,559 --> 00:59:27,639
some of them are tethered, like we were using them

983
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:34,000
in the Middle East during the two thousand and three

984
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,760
Ish War, and then we were also using them in

985
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,760
different countries in the Middle East for decades after that,

986
00:59:42,119 --> 00:59:44,760
because it can't be decades because we're not that far away.

987
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,840
But but they're also tethered sometimes too, so they don't

988
00:59:49,159 --> 00:59:52,559
move too much or too far because they're literally tethered

989
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:54,239
to the ground. So they're doing like they have like

990
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,199
censor pods on them, doing surveillance on the ground.

991
00:59:58,239 --> 01:00:01,159
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see here. So oh we got that one.

992
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,800
Let's see Okay, that's that one. So this is another

993
01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:11,440
kind of longer one. Yeah, you can kind of yeah

994
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:12,079
like this one.

995
01:00:12,519 --> 01:00:15,039
Speaker 3: This one has some maneuvers in it. It looked really cool.

996
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:18,880
I got really excited seeing this one. It has it

997
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:23,440
has some little zippy doos around and you you could, yeah,

998
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:25,960
this one was really fun to look at, and I

999
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:30,320
I yeah, I got really excited about that, so this

1000
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:30,719
could be.

1001
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: Go ahead.

1002
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 3: No, it's just Krypton's me out, and now I don't

1003
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,199
know what he wants this. Does it say like any data?

1004
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,800
Where it was? Was this in the Middle East? Water?

1005
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,119
It looks like water? Never mind into pay com.

1006
01:00:48,039 --> 01:00:51,679
Speaker 1: Let's see so number twelve was a pure thirty four.

1007
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:58,400
Let's see this one. It says in Greece from twenty

1008
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:02,800
twenty three, the grease one okay, neat NATO Eastern Flank,

1009
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,880
Russian Air Activity Allied airspace.

1010
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,719
Speaker 3: You okay, there were a couple of grease ones that

1011
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,039
were dropped. I really liked this and this thing. I'd

1012
01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:18,199
be very excited and to think, like, perhaps this really

1013
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:24,119
is anomalist because of the maneuvering that was doing, so

1014
01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:28,280
it would stop turn a pivot, And I mean, I

1015
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,039
have no idea what birds are in Greece if they

1016
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:33,440
would do those type of maneuvers. So I would have

1017
01:01:33,559 --> 01:01:36,800
to research all that stuff too to officially declare something

1018
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:41,559
as anomalist or not. But I got excited by this

1019
01:01:41,719 --> 01:01:46,320
video just the possibility of it actually being truly unidentified,

1020
01:01:46,519 --> 01:01:47,559
and a UAP.

1021
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: Got it. Okay, Yeah, so I guess I guess here,

1022
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,119
this whole thing's around three minutes. Looks like it's it's

1023
01:01:55,199 --> 01:01:57,400
flying off, but it looks like it's kind of no

1024
01:01:57,519 --> 01:01:58,920
longer doing those maneuvers.

1025
01:01:59,519 --> 01:02:03,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, will say in the description they did a pretty

1026
01:02:03,159 --> 01:02:05,960
good job of giving timestamps, so it would say, you know,

1027
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,199
zero to twelve seconds, not in the frame twelve seconds

1028
01:02:09,239 --> 01:02:13,679
it's acquired moves left to right or something. So they

1029
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,400
did they did a pretty good job of at least

1030
01:02:16,519 --> 01:02:20,440
narrowing down those long videos on where you could fast

1031
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:20,920
forward to.

1032
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:25,599
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's see here, Okay, this is my neighborhood.

1033
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that one I thought was really neat. I mean,

1034
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,719
didn't maneuver at all. So that's, of course, like one

1035
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,239
of the things that I've said a lot. You know,

1036
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,159
take take a shot every time I've said that, right,

1037
01:02:41,239 --> 01:02:42,960
you'd be drunk at the end of this video or

1038
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:47,239
into this podcast. But no maneuvering, So that was unfortunate.

1039
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:52,000
It looks really cool. You can't really see bird wings

1040
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:56,320
flapping or anything that would my first thought would go

1041
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,199
to birds because it is going in a straight line,

1042
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,599
not maneuvering or anything. But we truly just don't know.

1043
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,199
There's no data to back it up. There's no camera

1044
01:03:06,519 --> 01:03:10,119
drone operator to call. We can't phone a friend to

1045
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,599
ask you did you track this later on in your

1046
01:03:14,679 --> 01:03:19,599
shift or see other things? So, but yeah, this looks

1047
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:20,039
really cool.

1048
01:03:23,639 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: This one looked like anything. I can't really Oh, yes,

1049
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:28,519
there it is targets kind of near the.

1050
01:03:29,719 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 3: Bottom, and so there goes that dead pixel. Remember I

1051
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:36,119
was talking about the dead pixel by the end the north. Yeah,

1052
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:41,880
so that that pixel is not moving. But yeah, that's

1053
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,360
really I mean, I'm I'm so happy the government released

1054
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,519
so much to say, go forth, children, do what you

1055
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:53,360
want with this, but it's just so frustrating that. I mean,

1056
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,960
they gave a date, I guess that's cool, and they

1057
01:03:56,039 --> 01:04:01,400
gave a rough approximation of you know, Japan, but still

1058
01:04:02,199 --> 01:04:03,679
it's still really frustrating.

1059
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Okay, so let's let's move on. We've

1060
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,880
looked at looked at some videos. Of course, there are

1061
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:11,280
a bunch more, but I want to get to the other.

1062
01:04:11,679 --> 01:04:14,119
Speaker 3: Thank you, and I hope I hope others out there

1063
01:04:14,679 --> 01:04:16,920
if you had questions or something. I don't have YouTube up.

1064
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,440
I kind of wish I would have so I could

1065
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,440
have seen some of your comments and stuff too. While

1066
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,280
this was going on. I'll do better next time, no.

1067
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:26,159
Speaker 1: Worries, and we'll read some stuff here. So I want

1068
01:04:26,199 --> 01:04:30,079
to talk about the Popular Mechanics. Uh uh that just

1069
01:04:30,159 --> 01:04:32,639
came out with you in there. I don't have the

1070
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,320
article up unfortunately, but I'll be sure to put it

1071
01:04:35,679 --> 01:04:39,440
in the you know, in the in the description. Uh

1072
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,360
So this is like kind of is this like your

1073
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:48,639
first sort of major publication that you were quoted in. Yeah,

1074
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:49,360
that is.

1075
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:54,039
Speaker 3: It's super duper exciting. The day that I was replying

1076
01:04:54,119 --> 01:04:57,039
to the reporters questions about it was the day of

1077
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:01,000
my anniversary of the event, so I was also really

1078
01:05:01,079 --> 01:05:05,079
really cool. And the day it was published, which was

1079
01:05:05,159 --> 01:05:09,960
the May thirteenth, I had been downgraded from being in

1080
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:15,320
the ICU to the intermediate care unit. And then the

1081
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,199
another day I think was when I officially like posted

1082
01:05:19,239 --> 01:05:22,119
it on social media, was the day I got released

1083
01:05:22,119 --> 01:05:24,760
from the hospital. So it was really cool, the synchronicity

1084
01:05:25,559 --> 01:05:31,280
of the timing and just feeling so blessed that it

1085
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:36,800
was valued enough to be shared. And it's in Popular Mechanics.

1086
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,679
Like my younger self, you know, in college reading all

1087
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,920
of these magazines front to back, you know, in my

1088
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:46,920
physics classes. Never would have guessed I would end up

1089
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,920
in Popular Mechanics talking about a black void of love

1090
01:05:50,159 --> 01:05:51,400
and dying and coming back.

1091
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:58,679
Speaker 1: Right. So walk us through this entire experience, and again

1092
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:00,920
we'll put a link to the to the article in

1093
01:06:01,559 --> 01:06:05,400
the YouTube description description. But walk us through this whole

1094
01:06:05,719 --> 01:06:09,280
near death experience. Uh, and how it changed your life?

1095
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:15,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say first, the reporter, the questions that

1096
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:19,599
they asked me, I responded to and so they kind

1097
01:06:19,639 --> 01:06:21,800
of injected a little bit of words here and there.

1098
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,519
So I didn't actually die on the operating table. It

1099
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:27,840
was in the recovery room, but that question was never

1100
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:31,920
asked where it actually happened during the procedure.

1101
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:32,679
Speaker 1: Uh.

1102
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 3: So I was getting a septoplasty, a deviated septum fixed.

1103
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,719
I couldn't breathe, I was having I was suffering from

1104
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,360
migraines most of my life, so I was hopefully going

1105
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:48,320
to fix all of all of my breathing problems. The

1106
01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:51,840
surgery went well, and in the recovery room it did not.

1107
01:06:52,119 --> 01:06:55,400
I initially woke up, I asked for stickers when I

1108
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,440
wake up from surgeries. I don't know why, That's just

1109
01:06:58,719 --> 01:07:01,559
who I am. And when she the nurse gave me

1110
01:07:01,639 --> 01:07:04,079
my stickers. I'm hugging them. I'm so proud of them,

1111
01:07:04,199 --> 01:07:06,480
and I'm like, okay, can I go back to sleep now,

1112
01:07:06,519 --> 01:07:09,280
I'm still really tired, And she said, yeah, I'll wake

1113
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,880
you back up in a few minutes. And I remember

1114
01:07:13,159 --> 01:07:16,679
hugging my stickers. I worked so hard for him. And

1115
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:20,719
then I saw blackness, and I heard the nurse say,

1116
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,599
oh my god, she's not breathing, and I thought, who's not?

1117
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,159
Like I pray that somebody's okay, and then see somebody

1118
01:07:26,199 --> 01:07:29,119
else in here with me and it was me. And

1119
01:07:29,239 --> 01:07:32,159
then the next thing I knew, I was in this

1120
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:38,719
blackest of black void with my loved ones, and it

1121
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:44,159
was the most amazing feeling of love and peace you

1122
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:48,039
could ever imagine. And then whatever you can imagine, it's

1123
01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:52,199
more than that. It was so phenomenal, and my loved

1124
01:07:52,239 --> 01:07:54,400
ones are there, and I got to see them, and

1125
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,079
like a couple of them, I kind of forgot, like,

1126
01:07:58,239 --> 01:08:01,199
oh my gosh, I forgot you were dead. Gargo that

1127
01:08:02,039 --> 01:08:06,039
and added with some people and got to like, you know,

1128
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:10,199
small my grandma's soft soap scent that she always had,

1129
01:08:10,519 --> 01:08:14,280
and my grandpa's old spice after shave and it was

1130
01:08:15,719 --> 01:08:17,720
so wonderful that I didn't want to come back.

1131
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, that and that was one of the things that really,

1132
01:08:22,359 --> 01:08:23,960
you know, really caught me that, you know, you didn't

1133
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,560
want to come back. And you know, most people would

1134
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,000
think like the impulse would be the other way. It's like, hey,

1135
01:08:29,039 --> 01:08:31,279
I want to get back, get back to my my uh,

1136
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:35,239
living living life. But uh, but I understand that you

1137
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:39,279
you kind of argued with God and and uh and

1138
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:41,680
God said, nope, You're you're heading back. Tell us about that.

1139
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was so in the middle of just mostly

1140
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:50,079
still greeting my family and just kind of you'll catch

1141
01:08:50,119 --> 01:08:53,039
them up a little bit. And you know, one of

1142
01:08:53,159 --> 01:08:55,840
the one that I forgot that had passed away was

1143
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,239
when I was little, and it was a very good

1144
01:08:58,279 --> 01:09:02,039
family friend. So just kind of catching up and saying hi.

1145
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:06,159
And even though I'm in this black void, I knew

1146
01:09:06,199 --> 01:09:10,319
where every single person was. I knew all of the

1147
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:14,960
things I knew. I wasn't I wasn't fearful, I wasn't scared,

1148
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,359
even though I couldn't see anything. And then all of

1149
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:19,880
a sudden, I hear a voice and I call it God.

1150
01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:23,760
Is that that's God to me? Source or whomever. So

1151
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,159
I heard a voice and it said you got to

1152
01:09:26,199 --> 01:09:29,880
go back, and I was like, no, I don't. I

1153
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,640
have free will, and I choose to stay there sucked

1154
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:38,199
here is wonderful, and it said, no, you actually don't

1155
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:38,760
have a choice.

1156
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:39,560
Speaker 1: You have to go back.

1157
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:43,520
Speaker 3: And so we argued, and my family teamed up with

1158
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:48,079
God with the voice with source, and I started getting

1159
01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:50,319
upset and I'm like, whose sight are you on? Are

1160
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:52,560
you kidding me? Don't you want to see me? And

1161
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,239
as I'm arguing back was when I woke up?

1162
01:09:57,279 --> 01:10:00,079
Speaker 1: Wow, And do you have any idea how long you

1163
01:10:00,199 --> 01:10:04,279
were were you flatlined or or how however long you

1164
01:10:04,319 --> 01:10:04,840
were breathing?

1165
01:10:05,079 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 3: So yeah, after my after I stopped breathing, my heart

1166
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:13,840
stopped soon after that. I never asked specifically how long

1167
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,279
I was gone for because I don't know why that

1168
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:21,279
that part scares me. But I'm fine, right, Like, I

1169
01:10:21,319 --> 01:10:23,359
don't have like brain well, I might have brain damage.

1170
01:10:23,359 --> 01:10:26,880
I don't know, but my brothers might say I do.

1171
01:10:29,159 --> 01:10:31,960
I really don't know, but I know it was less

1172
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:37,560
than two minutes. It was just shy two minutes, but

1173
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:44,159
my time, you know, in heaven felt like twenty thirty

1174
01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:46,760
minutes long like it felt like I was there for

1175
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:51,800
so long, and that was my first time kind of realizing.

1176
01:10:52,039 --> 01:10:56,000
I've heard some people talk about time's not linear, and

1177
01:10:56,119 --> 01:10:59,239
I wasn't spiritual yet then this was twenty twelve. I

1178
01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:03,960
was still, you know, pretty religious, and I didn't understand

1179
01:11:04,119 --> 01:11:07,960
this times not linear concept, and especially with astrophysics and

1180
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,359
physics background, what do you mean you know? And so

1181
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,920
that was my first moment of a time warp and

1182
01:11:17,039 --> 01:11:21,760
not comprehending what had happened. And I knew I'd be fine.

1183
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,920
So when I woke up, I had nurses and doctors

1184
01:11:25,039 --> 01:11:28,680
and all of this chaos all and I remember so

1185
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:34,199
much of it. I remember like just I kept on

1186
01:11:34,399 --> 01:11:39,560
thinking my body was going through some survival motions, and

1187
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,920
I'd remember thinking, didn't they hear God tell me I'd

1188
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,760
be fine, Like, didn't anyone else hear that? Because like

1189
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,319
I was in this like blackness, and so I didn't

1190
01:11:48,399 --> 01:11:52,279
understand how there was so much panic around me when

1191
01:11:52,319 --> 01:11:55,359
I was told I couldn't leave yet and I had

1192
01:11:55,439 --> 01:12:00,520
to stay, and so I ended up. This theory is

1193
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:07,960
when my body restarted. I I was saved by CPR

1194
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:11,680
and a ne epinephrine shot. So when my body restarted.

1195
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:16,880
I my stomach was full of blood from the surgery,

1196
01:12:18,119 --> 01:12:21,640
and I when I took my first breath, I vomited

1197
01:12:22,079 --> 01:12:25,119
and all of that fluid went right into my lungs.

1198
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:29,239
So I couldn't have a breathing tube in my nose

1199
01:12:29,319 --> 01:12:31,319
because as I had stints in it from the surgery.

1200
01:12:31,399 --> 01:12:35,720
Because the surgery went well, and so surviving was literally

1201
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:39,479
on my own, and I was coughing out the substance

1202
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,600
and I was also vomiting out the substance in my stomach.

1203
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,479
At that time, I didn't understand the two consistencies. One

1204
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,439
was foam and one was liquid. So I was really

1205
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,880
confused by that. Doctors were saying I had a pulmon

1206
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,720
number pulmonary embolism. I didn't know what that was at

1207
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,560
the time. It was just it was everything was just

1208
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:01,039
really confusing and just chaos. Was how happening everywhere?

1209
01:13:02,079 --> 01:13:02,319
Speaker 1: Wow?

1210
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 3: Wow?

1211
01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: Okay, So after this, you, as I understand it, you

1212
01:13:08,279 --> 01:13:11,960
you had uh, how do I explain this? You you

1213
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:15,880
developed mediumship or was this before that?

1214
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 3: You had it?

1215
01:13:17,079 --> 01:13:17,119
Speaker 2: Like?

1216
01:13:17,359 --> 01:13:20,079
Speaker 1: What is mediumship? I kind of know what it is,

1217
01:13:20,199 --> 01:13:21,640
but really I don't.

1218
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:27,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yeah, I guess it. So mediumship is you

1219
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,439
can see loved ones on the other side, ghosts, so

1220
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:33,640
you could talk to ghosts. You could you see pets,

1221
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,159
like one of my cats has passed away and I

1222
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:40,119
see him once in a while visit me. So I

1223
01:13:40,319 --> 01:13:45,439
had seen spirits most of my life. I have had

1224
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:49,439
vivid dreams, uh with loved ones that would come to

1225
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,119
me and my dreams, and I didn't realize at the

1226
01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:56,199
time that those were something more of, you know, on

1227
01:13:56,279 --> 01:13:58,800
the mediumship side of things. To me, it was just normal.

1228
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,760
And I'd go to tell Mom, like, hey, Grandma came

1229
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,680
and said hi, and she gave me this message, like

1230
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:10,199
my grandma actually even let me know a few months

1231
01:14:10,199 --> 01:14:12,760
ahead of time before my grandpa would pass before her

1232
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:18,520
her husband was going to pass away. And so I

1233
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,680
was this was normal to me. And then after the

1234
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:25,760
near death experience, I started having psychic things happen. So

1235
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,880
I'm gonna get the phrase wrong right now because I

1236
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:35,560
am very tired at the moment. But oh, I don't

1237
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:37,560
even want to say it. I'm so scared of getting

1238
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:43,079
it wrong. But not not all mediums or psychics, but

1239
01:14:43,199 --> 01:14:49,039
all psychics are mediums, So hopefully that's right. I'm starting

1240
01:14:49,079 --> 01:14:52,560
to gaslight myself that it's wrong. But so if that's wrong,

1241
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:56,920
just reverse what I said. But psychic abilities are more

1242
01:14:57,079 --> 01:15:01,600
in touch with tapping into future and tapping into different

1243
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:05,920
energy to talk with a higher form a higher frequency

1244
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:10,159
than just where loved ones are. So let's say, you

1245
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:12,319
know we have these lights here, this is a you know,

1246
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,199
we're in a three D existence here, So you have

1247
01:15:15,359 --> 01:15:18,159
to raise your vibration and your frequency to talk with

1248
01:15:18,279 --> 01:15:20,079
loved ones, and you have to raise it even more

1249
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:24,079
to talk for like to communicate for psychic things. And

1250
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:31,199
but I started having these experiences happened to me where

1251
01:15:31,239 --> 01:15:35,000
I didn't understand, like I would start has to sound

1252
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:38,239
so silly, but it freaked me out. But I had

1253
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:43,079
a crown pop off. But for many days before one

1254
01:15:43,119 --> 01:15:45,640
of my crowns popped off, I felt it in my

1255
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,720
mouth loose and moving around. And so when it popped off,

1256
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,640
I was it kind of freaked me out, like did

1257
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,920
I did I did? Did I predict? Like what's going on?

1258
01:15:55,079 --> 01:15:58,479
So these like silly little things were starting to happen

1259
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,439
more and more, And then they were happening more to

1260
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:05,920
the point where I was hearing car crashes in my

1261
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:08,880
head in my ears, like I heard a car crash.

1262
01:16:09,319 --> 01:16:12,840
I wasn't even driving a car at the time, and

1263
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,720
so I text my family and be like, everybody be

1264
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:17,359
okay today and ended up being one of my best

1265
01:16:17,399 --> 01:16:20,479
friends got in an accident later that day. So stuff

1266
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,800
like that started happening to where it wasn't me, it

1267
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,399
was happening with other people, and things progressed to where

1268
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:31,680
I was freaking the f out because I didn't know

1269
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:33,880
what was happening to me and I needed to go

1270
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:37,720
get help. And so that's when I found my spiritual

1271
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:43,119
teacher and she and I got a I hired her

1272
01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:46,039
for a session to sit with her, and it's super

1273
01:16:46,199 --> 01:16:50,239
fun because I was briefing a four star general that day,

1274
01:16:50,359 --> 01:16:55,239
the director of NSA, National Security Agency. I left my

1275
01:16:55,359 --> 01:17:00,279
briefing to go to the psychic mediumship appointment or she

1276
01:17:00,399 --> 01:17:04,760
told me I could sit in her seats, and yeah,

1277
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:09,239
it was if I was freaking out, like it definitely

1278
01:17:09,319 --> 01:17:11,279
was happening to me. Now I know it happened for me,

1279
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:13,399
but it was pretty scary.

1280
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: Wow. And do you see ghosts all the time? Does

1281
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,520
it like come in waves, Like you'll see nothing for

1282
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,000
six months and all of a sudden stuff will start appearing.

1283
01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:25,000
How does that work?

1284
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:31,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, through training and through classes and practice, you learn boundaries.

1285
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,640
They need boundaries just as much as we do. And

1286
01:17:36,119 --> 01:17:38,600
if I saw them all the time, that would be

1287
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:41,039
really draining and exhausting for me because I would have

1288
01:17:41,119 --> 01:17:44,279
to operate at a different level. It takes a lot

1289
01:17:44,319 --> 01:17:46,000
of calories and a lot of food to do that,

1290
01:17:47,399 --> 01:17:50,159
so I eat quite a bit enough as it is,

1291
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:55,760
so I try to keep my boundaries very strict with them.

1292
01:17:56,359 --> 01:17:59,840
And I haven't been doing readings for clients for a while. No,

1293
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:04,840
I it's other other reasons why I'm taking a break

1294
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,760
from that. But no, I don't see them all the time.

1295
01:18:08,399 --> 01:18:12,479
Sometimes they do break through my boundaries, and usually it's

1296
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,680
at a time when you know, a best friend is

1297
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,159
talking to me about something they're troubled with and I

1298
01:18:18,279 --> 01:18:21,800
get a little I get a little image or words

1299
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:25,600
or something, and then I'll relay that to them. There

1300
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,760
was a time when I worked at the Pentagon and

1301
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,279
step would just fall off the wall at my desk.

1302
01:18:33,399 --> 01:18:35,560
And if you're in cubicle farm, right, it's in this

1303
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:41,439
old cubicles and my like your headset that you used to,

1304
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:45,039
you know, talk on the phone was just hanging on

1305
01:18:45,159 --> 01:18:46,600
the wall and it would fall down, and it would

1306
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,159
fall down with you know, during a meeting, when multiple

1307
01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:51,560
teammates would be at my desk and be like, what

1308
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,960
was that, Like, I'm gonna worry about that right now.

1309
01:18:55,159 --> 01:18:58,239
And uh So then I went to and it was

1310
01:18:58,279 --> 01:19:01,479
happening enough and I would hear my aim. So that

1311
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:05,840
means it's an intelligent spirit whenever they would say your name,

1312
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,399
and so I was like, okay, like I'm going to

1313
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:09,920
take a break. I'm gonna go out in the hallway.

1314
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:11,960
We're gonna have a chat, like I'm done with this.

1315
01:19:12,199 --> 01:19:14,520
You guys are not allowed to invade my workspace during

1316
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,279
the day. And come to find out, they just wanted

1317
01:19:17,319 --> 01:19:21,359
to be known, because it was some of the people.

1318
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:26,000
From nine to eleven. I worked in a corridor not

1319
01:19:26,199 --> 01:19:30,439
too far from where the plane hit, and once I

1320
01:19:31,279 --> 01:19:37,479
talked with these souls, they stopped and they just wanted

1321
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:41,000
to be heard. They wanted to be acknowledged. And so no,

1322
01:19:41,279 --> 01:19:44,439
I don't see them all the time, but I can,

1323
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,600
I guess, tap into them, you know, and let them

1324
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,479
know the clock is on to have a chat if

1325
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:51,920
they want to.

1326
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:56,319
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, I've been to that little aria inside the Pentagon,

1327
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:58,119
the nine to eleven thing.

1328
01:19:58,199 --> 01:19:59,399
Speaker 3: It is.

1329
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:04,199
Speaker 1: It is very very cool. Okay, so some time it

1330
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:09,840
truly is? It truly is? And boy that building is huge. Okay,

1331
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,680
let's if you have say, like another ten minutes. Would

1332
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:16,560
love to throw some audience questions at you. This one

1333
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,279
is actually not a question. This is from someone friend

1334
01:20:20,319 --> 01:20:23,039
of the show who's been on a science Bob McGuire.

1335
01:20:24,039 --> 01:20:27,079
Bob versutly thank you for the for the generous super chat.

1336
01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:31,119
It'll go go straight to paying the rent. There is

1337
01:20:31,279 --> 01:20:35,479
my awesome karaoke partner, Sarah gam and I am the

1338
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:38,279
man in the box. What the hell does that mean?

1339
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 3: I just almost been water out. That's so funny. Oh

1340
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:46,520
my gosh, Bob. For those that haven't met Bob yet,

1341
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:52,000
he is an amazing soul, so smart. Now he posted

1342
01:20:52,199 --> 01:20:54,479
one of our photo It was actually the first time

1343
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:57,720
we met. We took a selfie together and he made

1344
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:03,359
this AI, the silly AI video of us singing that

1345
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:08,800
song and it was very creepily looked like standing on

1346
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:12,720
a stage singing, and there was a little bit of backlash.

1347
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,079
The UAP community didn't think it was as funny as

1348
01:21:15,159 --> 01:21:19,079
we did, but we didn't care. So we're good karaoke buddies.

1349
01:21:20,279 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, you don't want to hear me sing,

1350
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,720
so I don't think you'll be I'll be in the

1351
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,880
audience chearing you, you and Bob on. We'll put it

1352
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:31,159
that way. Okay. This is from Den Cloud twenty twenty five.

1353
01:21:31,279 --> 01:21:35,079
Hello to you both. My question for Sarah in the

1354
01:21:35,199 --> 01:21:40,359
next publication publications, will we have images or videos of

1355
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:46,720
debris from UAP. This is from Dennis Claudier from Quebec, Canada.

1356
01:21:47,279 --> 01:21:49,359
I know, I hope so I have no idea.

1357
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:55,079
Speaker 3: That would be really cool. Oh my gosh, Like now

1358
01:21:55,159 --> 01:21:58,239
that's got my brain going, like photos from like Roswell

1359
01:21:58,319 --> 01:22:01,960
crash of debris and like I love the stories and

1360
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:06,439
I've heard them firsthand from people when they have debris

1361
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:10,279
from crash sites. You could it's it's like a tissue,

1362
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:12,520
so you could crumple it up and then the second

1363
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,479
you let it go, it goes back to its original form.

1364
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,439
That would be really cool. I'm not special enough to

1365
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,680
know what is being released and what isn't. I wish

1366
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:27,000
I could tell you cooler things, but I like that question.

1367
01:22:27,199 --> 01:22:27,479
Thank you.

1368
01:22:28,319 --> 01:22:30,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is that is a great question. That's that

1369
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:33,079
wasn't something I ever thought of, But yeah, that would

1370
01:22:33,119 --> 01:22:36,279
actually be really cool that to see something that they're

1371
01:22:36,319 --> 01:22:40,760
holding in their hand, and if they say, after all

1372
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,680
this time, we still don't know what it is that's

1373
01:22:44,119 --> 01:22:46,680
that would be that would be pretty telling. Okay, this

1374
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:50,399
is from Ali Crafter sixty four, really enjoying the show.

1375
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:54,119
Thank you very much for that comment. This is from

1376
01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:58,000
a post surreal Fish. How well versed does Sarah with

1377
01:22:58,159 --> 01:23:01,039
the plasma physics of the twenty first century?

1378
01:23:03,079 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, Oh my gosh. That class was a long

1379
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:09,840
time ago. So how about I say not?

1380
01:23:10,039 --> 01:23:16,600
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I failed college physics, so you definitely don't

1381
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:19,479
want to be asking I graduated.

1382
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 3: For those that don't know, I graduated undergrad in two

1383
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:26,279
thousand and six, so that that's been quite a while,

1384
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:28,640
and I have not I mean, I've been able to

1385
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:32,359
utilize my degree in some jobs, but I haven't done

1386
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:36,239
you know, diffy Q differential equations or CALC three or

1387
01:23:36,279 --> 01:23:41,560
anything like that since. So I don't know if I

1388
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:43,680
could do that again either, which is really sad. I

1389
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:47,319
worked really hard for that degree. So I will say

1390
01:23:48,119 --> 01:23:51,359
I definitely don't know plasma physics. Well I would, I

1391
01:23:51,399 --> 01:23:54,399
would know enough to be able to talk through a

1392
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:58,000
simple conversation on it, but that's about it.

1393
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:03,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let's see. This is from orange ORBS, which

1394
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:07,079
matches this question. I saw on orb closely, and I

1395
01:24:07,199 --> 01:24:10,399
believe it is made of crystals. Sarah also said she

1396
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:13,640
thought that they were crystals. Does she still believe that,

1397
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,680
I'm not sure what he's referring to or she yeah.

1398
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:20,600
Speaker 3: No, I totally have, Thank you for that question. I

1399
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:24,680
have bounced around between thinking, yes, there's some sort of

1400
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:28,079
like crystal maybe we don't have on this planet, or

1401
01:24:28,079 --> 01:24:31,119
maybe we don't know how to utilize them in that form,

1402
01:24:32,399 --> 01:24:38,720
or like a plasma type energy that I can't talk

1403
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:43,319
about into depths on. I do still stand by that

1404
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:46,039
some of them are crystals. I do think they're not

1405
01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:53,159
all the same material, and I know there's different colors.

1406
01:24:53,199 --> 01:24:56,560
I've seen orange, and I've also seen blue, and one

1407
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,920
of them that kind of turned from like a blue

1408
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,199
to of course like blue and purple or really close

1409
01:25:02,279 --> 01:25:04,880
on the visible spectrum, right, they overlap, so it kind

1410
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:09,479
of like morphed into a couple of those colors. I yes,

1411
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:11,560
some of them are definitely crystal.

1412
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, let's see here. This is from Randy Robert John.

1413
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:22,399
Has she ever seen an alien or footage of an alien?

1414
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:30,680
Speaker 3: Yes, I have seen one. I talk about it publicly

1415
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:33,960
that I saw. I had an encounter in my bedroom

1416
01:25:34,159 --> 01:25:43,039
one night, and I have seen I have seen something.

1417
01:25:43,199 --> 01:25:45,520
It's very hard for me to say because I don't

1418
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:48,560
know what to properly say, so I'm starting to stutter

1419
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:52,640
a little bit. I didn't mentally prepare for this. I

1420
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:56,479
have seen something in person in public as well before,

1421
01:25:58,359 --> 01:26:03,039
and it's still it was around a year ago and

1422
01:26:05,239 --> 01:26:09,840
something that took me days to process and to really,

1423
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:15,279
I guess appreciate the situation. I've talked to good friends

1424
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:21,399
that have had known of similar encounters of others and

1425
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:26,840
the spot I was in. There's been other alien entities

1426
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:30,039
that have been seen, but again it was in public.

1427
01:26:30,279 --> 01:26:34,359
It was really it still is really hard to process.

1428
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:37,800
Like in my room as finds like do a mediumship stuff.

1429
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:41,199
I'm used to spirit coming to me in my space,

1430
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:46,239
but in public was a whole different ballgame, whole different

1431
01:26:46,279 --> 01:26:49,439
set of emotions for me. And that was you know,

1432
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,479
people ask you know, what was it like seeing your

1433
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,800
first like truly unidentified video and a classified net system

1434
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:57,600
and I was like, I ME know, it's really cool,

1435
01:26:58,159 --> 01:27:02,800
but this to me, I couldn't. I couldn't process seeing

1436
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:07,239
this in public with just everybody else around type situation.

1437
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:11,399
So that was what stopped me in my tracks.

1438
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 1: Would you mind going into detail as far as like

1439
01:27:15,119 --> 01:27:19,640
what you saw and everyone I certainly want to know?

1440
01:27:25,319 --> 01:27:25,680
M hm.

1441
01:27:27,279 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, because this it could still be considered

1442
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:40,560
a US citizen because it resembled a human. So the

1443
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:44,680
people I was with we have discussed how to approach

1444
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:50,680
this and make sure it's a sensitive matter because they're

1445
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:54,079
still they are here and they're interwoven in our society.

1446
01:27:55,640 --> 01:28:01,359
But I changed, I call it changed. The size of

1447
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:05,720
ice changed, and the person knew going in to shake

1448
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:10,920
their hand, making eye contact, when their eyes completely changed color.

1449
01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:15,600
When I was saying goodbye, they they knew what I saw,

1450
01:28:16,039 --> 01:28:22,520
and the whole encounter was very interesting. There was I

1451
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:27,079
mean even questions like asking questions about like where they

1452
01:28:27,119 --> 01:28:29,880
were from they mentioned. It was like it was like

1453
01:28:30,039 --> 01:28:36,039
talking to an AI bought exactly like something of chat

1454
01:28:36,119 --> 01:28:40,279
g T. Just blurting stuff out in not making sense,

1455
01:28:40,319 --> 01:28:42,640
but it's facts, and you're like, how do you know

1456
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:47,960
that Native American tribe, like what And I'm from one

1457
01:28:48,039 --> 01:28:50,279
of the areas that they said that they were from,

1458
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:53,800
So I'm asking all kinds of questions and and so

1459
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:56,880
I'm where I grew up. I'm seven miles from the

1460
01:28:56,920 --> 01:29:02,239
Mississippi River, but everybody there called it the Mississippi. And

1461
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:05,560
so whatever you say, oh, yeah, we're going on the

1462
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:08,399
river today, or we're going to the Mississippi, you know

1463
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:13,359
what's happening. And so I mentioned something about the Mississippi

1464
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:17,680
to this person and she's, well, not if she like,

1465
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,319
don't know if it's a he or she, But they

1466
01:29:19,359 --> 01:29:22,840
started talking about living in the state of Mississippi, and

1467
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:28,039
I was like, Okay, now I've asked enough questions that

1468
01:29:28,119 --> 01:29:30,520
I have my evidence that you are definitely not from here.

1469
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:39,079
But I was yeah, it was a very life changing moment.

1470
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:42,920
And I'm sure everybody out there now can see the

1471
01:29:43,039 --> 01:29:45,399
trouble I'm having of putting words out. But I also

1472
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:50,000
wanted to protect the person. I haven't said this story

1473
01:29:50,279 --> 01:29:54,079
to very many people at all, so and even my

1474
01:29:54,239 --> 01:29:57,800
best friends. I saw my best friends a few after

1475
01:29:58,159 --> 01:30:02,479
hours after this encounter, and I still couldn't talk. I

1476
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:07,560
was still like, what just happened? What what is my life? Like?

1477
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:11,079
What in the world like that just happened? And my

1478
01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:14,560
best friends that I see all the time, they kept

1479
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:16,119
asking me, are you okay? And I was like, I

1480
01:30:16,359 --> 01:30:18,079
don't know how to talk about this, Like I think

1481
01:30:18,119 --> 01:30:21,560
I just saw an alien? What it like? Excuse me,

1482
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:23,760
I don't know. I don't know what words just came

1483
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,079
out of my mouth either, I have to it was

1484
01:30:26,279 --> 01:30:32,119
really really cool and really crazy.

1485
01:30:33,079 --> 01:30:36,640
Speaker 1: Wow, And and did this being or whatever? Do you

1486
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:42,319
think that it knew that you knew that it wasn't okay?

1487
01:30:42,319 --> 01:30:45,079
Speaker 3: Because I think they I think they knew when their

1488
01:30:45,119 --> 01:30:48,680
eyes changed colors. One of the other people I was

1489
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:54,720
with saw their eyes change shape, and the physical features

1490
01:30:55,279 --> 01:31:02,680
of the person that looked like a human were so abnormal.

1491
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:12,439
And but I mean even the face shape was more

1492
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:15,680
like a gray type being, like it was more of

1493
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:19,319
an almond shape, or I think Arcturians also have a

1494
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:22,159
more of an almond kind of shape, and like bigger

1495
01:31:22,239 --> 01:31:25,199
eyes and so like a little bit point over a ten.

1496
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:27,760
I think I said almond. Maybe that was the wrong description,

1497
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,359
maybe that was the wrong word, but like a point

1498
01:31:30,359 --> 01:31:36,000
of your ten, it's like the just the muscle tone

1499
01:31:36,159 --> 01:31:40,399
and definition was like something of like an animal in

1500
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:44,960
the wild that runs on a daily basis. It was amazing,

1501
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:50,960
but there were just some some features that you kind

1502
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:54,760
of looked at and like that that's not normal, right,

1503
01:31:55,239 --> 01:31:58,760
And then when the face features like the eyes changed,

1504
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:04,800
that to me was validation that they knew that I

1505
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:09,119
knew okay, And also felt like approval too, like approval

1506
01:32:09,239 --> 01:32:13,479
of knowing what I'm doing here and talking about all

1507
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:17,560
this and it it did not feel like it was

1508
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:23,199
a random situation, like they knew we we would be

1509
01:32:23,319 --> 01:32:25,000
there where we were when we.

1510
01:32:25,039 --> 01:32:28,640
Speaker 1: Were and did this thing or this being or whatever

1511
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:31,439
just walk up to you, like how how did how

1512
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:33,039
did the actually encounter happen?

1513
01:32:33,199 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 3: It walked by? It was interesting. So the good question

1514
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:43,039
it it I felt the energy before it got to me,

1515
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:48,840
and I felt it like come in the building, and

1516
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:52,079
my my like my body like like I got like

1517
01:32:52,119 --> 01:32:54,800
I really got like frozen. I'm like, what is going on?

1518
01:32:55,039 --> 01:32:58,560
So my body was reacting before they were even in

1519
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,600
like my proximity really, and then one of the other

1520
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:04,960
people also had the same reaction, and we both were

1521
01:33:05,039 --> 01:33:07,079
like looking at each other like going like what what

1522
01:33:07,319 --> 01:33:12,039
is going on? And so they walk by and we

1523
01:33:12,239 --> 01:33:14,760
kind of we kind of we kind of reassess and reevaluate.

1524
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:17,279
We're like, okay, that was weird. Let's just go talk

1525
01:33:17,359 --> 01:33:21,239
to them. And so that's what we did. We we

1526
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:26,000
technically ended up approaching them. They they Is they the right?

1527
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:31,079
I don't know. So we we approached them and talked

1528
01:33:31,119 --> 01:33:34,640
to them that way of just saying, Hi, like you

1529
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:38,039
look familiar you from around here? Have I seen you before?

1530
01:33:39,319 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 1: Uh?

1531
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:43,039
Speaker 3: Yeah? It's really crazy.

1532
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 1: And was this a public building? Was this a military facility?

1533
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:49,359
Can you say exactly it was public?

1534
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:56,560
Speaker 3: It wasn't. No, it was public. Yeah, public place that

1535
01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:01,560
you know, like anybody would go in a high trafficked area,

1536
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:04,640
very public. Please.

1537
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:09,600
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, So I have to point out and one

1538
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:12,920
of our good friends of the show that does these

1539
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:17,199
amazing memes on X notice this as well. You have

1540
01:34:17,279 --> 01:34:20,880
to hear left the absolutely wonderful book from our friend

1541
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:25,960
louiell Azondo called Eminent. And this is a question. He said, Hi, Sarah,

1542
01:34:26,159 --> 01:34:28,920
I see that copy of Eminent in the background. Is

1543
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,600
there anything you can say that would help clarify things

1544
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:36,560
for idiots that still try to say that louel Azondo

1545
01:34:37,039 --> 01:34:39,720
isn't who he says he is. I hope you're doing well.

1546
01:34:41,399 --> 01:34:46,119
Speaker 3: Thank you. It's good to hear from you. I have

1547
01:34:46,279 --> 01:34:48,359
this book here. Lou never asked me to put the

1548
01:34:48,399 --> 01:34:52,159
book there. He's never like, there's been no communication. I

1549
01:34:52,239 --> 01:34:57,319
have it there because I support him and I love

1550
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:01,039
what he's done, not just for help for me throughout

1551
01:35:01,079 --> 01:35:04,199
this process of being public, but what he's done for

1552
01:35:04,399 --> 01:35:08,119
humanity and for the world. And we wouldn't be talking

1553
01:35:08,199 --> 01:35:12,119
about any of this if it weren't for him. He's human.

1554
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:15,560
He has made some mistakes, so so have I. I've

1555
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:19,079
answered wrong questions, like in my first interview with you, Matt,

1556
01:35:19,159 --> 01:35:23,000
I answered a question completely wrong. So lesson was learned

1557
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:25,479
from my end to get clarity when I don't fully

1558
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:27,479
understand a question or I think I hear something and

1559
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:28,760
it's not what you asked.

1560
01:35:30,159 --> 01:35:31,359
Speaker 1: So I I.

1561
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:39,159
Speaker 3: Keep Lou high in my on like not a pedestal

1562
01:35:39,239 --> 01:35:41,920
per say, because that sounds wrong. It's like some symbolic

1563
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:47,199
type thing. But I value him in this community, and

1564
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:49,880
he's gotten a lot of pushback that he didn't deserve.

1565
01:35:50,399 --> 01:35:54,680
There's been a lot of lies and disinformation put out

1566
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:58,439
there on him, and he's so humble enough that he

1567
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:01,800
takes it even though he has evidence to prove otherwise,

1568
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:06,960
and he just doesn't share it. So I I I mean,

1569
01:36:07,159 --> 01:36:09,520
just like what's happened to me, you know, people try

1570
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:13,760
to discredit me. I've had hate messages sent to me

1571
01:36:14,079 --> 01:36:18,359
telling me I should off myself because I'm nothing but

1572
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:22,960
a liar, and I'm a disinformation agent, and I'm a grifter,

1573
01:36:23,239 --> 01:36:26,920
like all kinds of things, like the UNP community tends

1574
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:30,920
to eat itself, just like this release happening. The first

1575
01:36:31,079 --> 01:36:34,960
thing of people's reactions was negativity because you know, the

1576
01:36:35,079 --> 01:36:38,279
metadata is not there and all that, but it was released.

1577
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:41,439
The government's actually doing stuff. So that's why I kind

1578
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:45,600
of think about lou and his journey. He has been

1579
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:49,680
so persistent on saying what he thinks is the truth,

1580
01:36:50,279 --> 01:36:55,159
crop circles, incident, mishap right, everybody makes mistakes, and he

1581
01:36:55,319 --> 01:36:59,399
owned up to it, which I think is so valuable

1582
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:03,399
in this world to own up to having mistakes. But

1583
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:05,760
we wouldn't be here without him. And I don't know

1584
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:10,239
if I fully answered your question, but I am in

1585
01:37:10,359 --> 01:37:15,600
his corner and I I think he's just beyond brave

1586
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:18,439
for what he's been through. I think the book is phenomenal.

1587
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:23,399
So it goes through history. It has so much so

1588
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:25,720
if you're brand new on the topic, all you have

1589
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:27,359
to do is pick up this book to read it,

1590
01:37:27,399 --> 01:37:30,479
because it talks about a lot of the historical things.

1591
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:32,920
Roswell and all of that is what I'm referring to.

1592
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:39,039
But sorry, so, and then it goes through how nasty

1593
01:37:39,319 --> 01:37:42,359
people are and what his family went through, and that

1594
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:45,359
it reminds you he's a real person, and goes through

1595
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:49,399
his father's passing, which him and I were friends at

1596
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:53,880
that point, so I remember experiencing it in person through

1597
01:37:54,039 --> 01:37:56,760
him and then reading it in the book. And so,

1598
01:37:57,479 --> 01:38:00,600
you know, people like to forget that we're humans and

1599
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:04,920
we're real people, and we have emotions behind this camera

1600
01:38:05,199 --> 01:38:08,800
and this makeup that I put on to pretend to

1601
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:11,520
pretend I feel great today, which I'm not feeling the best.

1602
01:38:12,159 --> 01:38:18,800
And yeah, I love the book. I think it's a

1603
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:23,520
good reminder of how far we could come from just bravery,

1604
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:26,199
from with one person stepping out and stepping up.

1605
01:38:27,159 --> 01:38:29,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Okay, so last question for you, what

1606
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:33,159
is what's the next moment in the disclosure space that

1607
01:38:33,399 --> 01:38:35,319
you're watching for or hoping for?

1608
01:38:37,079 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 3: Oh, I said I think I said it earlier, like

1609
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:42,479
I'm hopeful for the next real batch of released items

1610
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:48,760
to be more documents of having spacecraft and possible bodies saying,

1611
01:38:49,319 --> 01:38:53,079
you know, I hope at some point the government comes

1612
01:38:53,119 --> 01:39:00,159
out and acknowledges the wrongdoings it's done to cover up

1613
01:39:01,319 --> 01:39:06,840
military recovery missions. A lot of those soldiers gave their

1614
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:09,680
life to this country because they got some sort of

1615
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:13,880
radiation poisoning. They died from cancer, and the government never

1616
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:18,880
acknowledged it. The government never told the family exactly what happened,

1617
01:39:19,279 --> 01:39:23,199
or acknowledged or paid for stuff. So I mean, that's

1618
01:39:23,239 --> 01:39:26,159
a fact. Like I have friends that this has happened to,

1619
01:39:27,079 --> 01:39:34,479
and it's really sad how buried things are. So I

1620
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:41,840
hope that some apologies are said, not just to those people,

1621
01:39:42,399 --> 01:39:46,479
but to the world as a whole. That all didn't

1622
01:39:46,520 --> 01:39:47,359
need to be a secret.

1623
01:39:48,439 --> 01:39:49,079
Speaker 1: Not that hard.

1624
01:39:49,479 --> 01:39:52,039
Speaker 3: It's not worth those lives of those soldiers who signed

1625
01:39:52,079 --> 01:39:54,560
up to protect our country and they took an oath,

1626
01:39:55,359 --> 01:39:58,560
but to pretend that they didn't do what they did.

1627
01:40:00,279 --> 01:40:03,960
I just that's heartbreaking to me, and those families probably

1628
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:05,279
would appreciate someclosure.

1629
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:10,560
Speaker 1: I completely completely agree. And by the way, one of

1630
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:14,199
our moderators and Mary said, tell Sarah she was trying

1631
01:40:14,239 --> 01:40:15,920
to remember the name of the Hindenburg.

1632
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:20,079
Speaker 3: Yes, winner kim it.

1633
01:40:20,199 --> 01:40:25,039
Speaker 1: Thank you awesome. Well, thank you so much for joining us.

1634
01:40:25,079 --> 01:40:27,680
And where can folks at home follow your work? And

1635
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:31,119
again we'll we'll put the link of the the Popular

1636
01:40:31,199 --> 01:40:34,359
Mechanics article in the description.

1637
01:40:36,119 --> 01:40:38,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, and y'all who picked it up, so it's not

1638
01:40:38,199 --> 01:40:43,079
through the Popular Mechanics paywall now, so that's really exciting. So, uh,

1639
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:46,319
where to find me? I'd say the best way is

1640
01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:51,279
Instagram Sarah Grace Warrior all one word, no spaces or anything.

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And then my email is Sarah Grace Warrior at gmail

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dot com. I am probably going to be shutting my

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website down, so if you reach out to me there,

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I don't know how much longer I'll have it, but

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I don't know what I'm doing, and I'm just going

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to let it die.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, there you go. I don't have a website,

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so I don't have to don't have to worry about that. Well,

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thanks again Sarah for for joining us and sharing these

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these amazing stories things that have happened to you in

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your life. And and you know what a what a

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perfect fitting screen name for yourself. You know, I, as

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I told you the first time we met over at

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Lose Place, you're you're a force of nature and and

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you certainly are a warrior and and I know all

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of us are are really uh really grateful for for

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putting yourself out there, standing up and also just being

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a wonderful role role model for young women and seeing

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what what they can make of themselves. Uh and uh

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in science and uh yeah, just you're just doing amazing work.

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And it's such an honor to have you on the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, appreciate it. So good to be back on

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here and hopefully I'll see you at Contact in the Desert.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, all right, very good, all right, Sarah Gham, Ladies

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and ladies and gentlemen. Okay, yeah, that was just fantastic.

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So again, thanks to Sarah gam for joining us, and

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thank you to all of you for tuning in. And

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