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<v Speaker 1>Ladies and gentlemen in this corner from the University of Colorado.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty years in Lorraine, fighting for truth, justice and the

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<v Speaker 1>American Way.

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<v Speaker 2>Dannchapleas, all right, guys, this is not Dan Caplas. This

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<v Speaker 2>is Heidi Ganol filling in for Dan. It's great to

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<v Speaker 2>be here this afternoon.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like Thursday. I hope, I hope you understand if

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<v Speaker 3>I forget what day it is, what time it is,

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<v Speaker 3>what meal I've eaten.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's that crazy break period between Christmas and

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<v Speaker 2>New Year's. But wow, what a great holiday it was.

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<v Speaker 2>And the weather's been fantastic. It's kind of weird. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>actually headed down to Florida next week for a little break, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's going to be freezing down there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's supposed to be this big ice storm that hits

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<v Speaker 2>all of America. I guess I don't know, at least

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<v Speaker 2>the eastern now. But anyway, so happy to fill in

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<v Speaker 2>for Dan, So grateful to be here. There is so

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<v Speaker 2>much going on in the news, but I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>start with something kind of sad for Colorado. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a rough, rough weekend when it comes to football in Colorado.

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<v Speaker 3>Jesse, did you watch any of the games.

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<v Speaker 4>Unfortunately, Yes, I was actually working the Buff game, so

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<v Speaker 4>it was brutal. CSU didn't do fair much better, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>the Colorado teams all the way around.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a struggle not to mention the Broncos. What

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<v Speaker 2>the heck was that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>That was a cherry on top of a bad football

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<v Speaker 4>weekend for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we're all recovering. Yeah, the Buffs, saw man.

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<v Speaker 2>I love my Buffs. I've done a diehard Buff fan

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<v Speaker 2>since I was there in eighty six, and it's been

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<v Speaker 2>quite a journey. But you know, I've got to give

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<v Speaker 2>it to Dion. He's done an incredible job with the program.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really gonna miss seeing Travis and Chador play together.

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<v Speaker 2>You never know where they're going to end up, but

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<v Speaker 2>probably not on the same teams, but it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be so exciting to see them take off into the

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<v Speaker 2>NFL and see what they do. God, wouldn't it be

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<v Speaker 2>fun if one of them ended up a Bronco. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that'll happen, but that would that would be

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<v Speaker 2>really cool.

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<v Speaker 4>You bet?

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<v Speaker 3>So where what's like your big college team? Jesse? I'm buffs.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you are Buffs?

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<v Speaker 5>Good?

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<v Speaker 3>Good, good, well for us.

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<v Speaker 2>Phew that that's a relief, and that's why I love

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<v Speaker 2>hanging out with Dan.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a huge buff too, so he.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, he is in primes. Got those boys pointed in

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<v Speaker 4>the right direction for sure, So you got to remember that.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, they won one game last year, so.

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<v Speaker 3>That is insane, that's wild.

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<v Speaker 2>And people were pretty pessimistic coming into this year too,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think they did a great job. The kids

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<v Speaker 2>stayed really teed up even when they weren't winning or

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<v Speaker 2>even when they were facing a rough game. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really proud of the program, proud of what he did.

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<v Speaker 2>The last thing I did as a regent in at

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<v Speaker 2>the University of Colorado, which was in January of twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>when I finished out my turn, was approved that contract

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<v Speaker 2>for Dion, So I think that.

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<v Speaker 3>Was a great way to go out, Yes, you bet, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Onto other crazy things going on in world. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how many of you are on Twitter what's now

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<v Speaker 2>called X, but I perused X today just to see

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<v Speaker 2>what the latest greatest stories were, and I tried not

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<v Speaker 2>to be on too much over the break. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>I took a couple days off and when I came

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<v Speaker 2>back the world had gone mad about HB one visas,

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone was mad at Elon and then Vivek wade

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<v Speaker 2>in and he was talking about how kids shouldn't do sleepovers,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was just.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of turmoil.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I liked about this was we were having

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<v Speaker 2>feisty debate about a really important issue and how it

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<v Speaker 2>plays into the promises that were made during the campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it ended up okay. I think we're

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<v Speaker 2>at a place where we can agree kind of what

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<v Speaker 2>happens next. We need to reform the visa program. We

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<v Speaker 2>need to stay firm in dealing with immigration, especially criminals

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<v Speaker 2>who need to be booted out of the country, especially

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<v Speaker 2>here in Colorado. And we need to make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>we fund and build that border wall and stop people

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<v Speaker 2>from coming in illegally, especially bad actors. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think at the end of the day, we all

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<v Speaker 2>ended up in a good place. But I would love

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<v Speaker 2>to hear your feedback. I want this next couple hours

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<v Speaker 2>to be really engaging. I would love for you to

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<v Speaker 2>call in the call in numbers three oh three, seven, one,

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<v Speaker 2>three eight, two five five, or you can text Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>Text the word Dan to five seven, seven three nine

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<v Speaker 2>and that'll pop up on my screen and I can

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you that way. But I think I think

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<v Speaker 2>we're in a good place there. I do want to

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<v Speaker 2>chat a little bit about vivec and his comments about

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<v Speaker 2>fewer sleepovers.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I grew up.

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<v Speaker 2>In the eighties, graduated high school eighty four, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was just a thing that you had sleepovers, you hung

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<v Speaker 2>out with your friends.

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<v Speaker 3>You would be gone most of the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, even as a younger kid kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as they kid around, we were traveling around the neighborhoods

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<v Speaker 2>drinking out of water hoses. I mean, that's kind of funny.

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<v Speaker 2>But I grew up a monument which is right down

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<v Speaker 2>the road. It was a small town back then, And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure I agree with Vivek's take. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>quote a culture that celebrates the prom queen over the

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<v Speaker 2>math Olympia champ or the jock over the valedictorian will

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<v Speaker 2>not produce the best engineers. He went on to recommend

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<v Speaker 2>a different upbringing for America's kids. More movies like Whiplash,

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<v Speaker 2>fewer reruns of Friends, more math tutoring, fewer sleepovers, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just I feel like I had an incredible upbringing.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a lot of freedom to roam the neighborhoods

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<v Speaker 2>and do things to kind of exert our will, but

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<v Speaker 2>also be held accountable if we were behaving badly. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure that I agree that that's what America

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<v Speaker 2>needs now. Do our kids need a little bit more guidance,

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more clarity about what's happening in their lives, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say so. I think one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that we're seeing with kids is they're really lost right now.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of mental health issues. They're turning to

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<v Speaker 2>drugs in some cases. I don't feel like they have

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<v Speaker 2>a good purpose. I don't feel like they have a

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<v Speaker 2>really clear purpose about what they want to do in life.

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<v Speaker 2>I think purpose can do a lot of things to

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<v Speaker 2>turn kids around. A few years ago, I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was twenty fifteen, I did a TED talk called the

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<v Speaker 2>Art of the Comeback and the Comeback Gosh, I've been

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<v Speaker 2>through so much more now than I could do Art

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<v Speaker 2>of the Comeback two point zero. But I reference a

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<v Speaker 2>talk I had with my pediatrician, who is the great

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Bucknam. If any of you live in Lewisville or

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<v Speaker 2>up in Northwest Metro area, I'm sure you know of

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<v Speaker 2>doctor bucknam Or you've read the book Baby Wise's we

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<v Speaker 2>call him the Godfather and our family, he's an incredible

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<v Speaker 2>Guy's wife, Gail's equally is incredible and he's raised four

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<v Speaker 2>just wonderful children who've been very successful. And my oldest

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<v Speaker 2>what she's going through in high school? And he said,

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<v Speaker 2>the best thing you can do for kids is turn

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<v Speaker 2>them outward, make them realize they're part of something bigger

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<v Speaker 2>than themselves, get them volunteering, get them seeing the world

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<v Speaker 2>for what it is.

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<v Speaker 3>And the world is very complicated.

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<v Speaker 2>It has a lot of issues, and it usually makes

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<v Speaker 2>their issues seem a lot smaller. So that's what my

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<v Speaker 2>TED talk was about. And really what occurred to me

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<v Speaker 2>was kids need a sense of purpose, and once they

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<v Speaker 2>have a sense of purpose, they can really kind of

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<v Speaker 2>push aside some of their struggles and make a difference

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<v Speaker 2>in the world and make a difference for themselves. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's where I think Vivek's a little.

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<v Speaker 3>Off on that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yes, our education system needs to kick it

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<v Speaker 2>into gear. We're going to talk about that in the

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<v Speaker 2>five o'clock hour and have a school board member from

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<v Speaker 2>Albert County, Heather Booth, on to talk about an issue there.

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<v Speaker 2>But we also as parents, I think, need to give

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<v Speaker 2>our kids room to grow, to heal from what happened

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<v Speaker 2>with COVID and some of the things in the past

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<v Speaker 2>few years, but also give them structure. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>by any means, I'm not I'm not saying I'm the

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<v Speaker 2>best parent on the planet, but I have four kids,

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<v Speaker 2>been through the through the ups and downs of a

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<v Speaker 2>have twins that are twelve, and I just think that

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<v Speaker 2>too much structure isn't necessarily good as well. I'd love

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<v Speaker 2>to hear your feedback on that. You can call in

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<v Speaker 2>word Dan and we'll talk about it. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>have a different perspective, Jesse, I don't know. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>have kids?

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<v Speaker 5>Do not?

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<v Speaker 3>You don't yet? Uh no, I hopefully I'm not deterring you.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, no, I dodged that bullet.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think about what's going on with kids

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<v Speaker 4>I think you're onto something when the guy have to

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<v Speaker 4>have purpose, and there's so many distractions like that we

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<v Speaker 4>didn't have to deal with when we were growing up.

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<v Speaker 3>You know where'd you grow up?

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<v Speaker 4>Southeast Denver?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you what high school?

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<v Speaker 4>George Washington?

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<v Speaker 3>Nice? Nice?

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, Patriot.

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<v Speaker 3>That's good.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean things have changed a lot in Denver too,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in the education system. I remember when Denver Public

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<v Speaker 2>Schools was one of the top school districts in the

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<v Speaker 2>whole country. Am I how the the mighty have fallen?

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<v Speaker 4>Not anymore?

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<v Speaker 3>No, it breaks my heart me too.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have the latest stats, but when I was

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<v Speaker 2>a stat that was really really horrible that only five

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<v Speaker 2>percent of African American and Hispanic kids could read at

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<v Speaker 2>grade level in Denver Public schools.

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<v Speaker 4>It's inexcusable.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and I imagine things haven't changed that much. I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't seen anything that would change it that much. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard more and more parents moving out at DPS

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<v Speaker 2>or finding other options, whether it's charter schools, private schools, homeschool.

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<v Speaker 2>But boy, we've really got to get more focused on

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<v Speaker 2>like success in education, not just making our kids feel good.

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<v Speaker 2>Which I guess is a little counter to what I

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<v Speaker 2>once in a while we're going to disagree with their approach.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do think Doze is really important, and I

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<v Speaker 2>to come after this break. It's Hidi Ganal filling in

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<v Speaker 2>Ganal filling in for Dan Caples. Great to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully you guys have some great New Year's plans. If

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<v Speaker 2>Just put the word Dan to start off, and then

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<v Speaker 2>five seven seven three nine. I believe we have a caller, Jesse.

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<v Speaker 2>Her name's Jessica. Hello, Jessica.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, Hi, it's for us Mommy.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, Oh hello jess How are you good?

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<v Speaker 5>Are you? I wanted to talk about this stuff because

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<v Speaker 5>I was raised so strictly where I wasn't allowed to

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<v Speaker 5>do it, And now I'm obviously I'm not a mom now,

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<v Speaker 5>but I'm like, I wouldn't let my kids either. I

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<v Speaker 3>Well, just I think there's a couple aspects to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like one is, when I first heard the article, I

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<v Speaker 2>really well. And I knew the families really well, but

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<v Speaker 2>we would do like I can't remember what we called them,

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<v Speaker 2>but where they'd stay a little bit later. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think the more general theme is do you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>freedom or you're really strict, like Vive's talking about, where

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<v Speaker 2>it's all about studying math, not going out on the weekends,

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<v Speaker 5>The Tiger mom stuff. I can see that. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>it's so funny because I grew up to like hating

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<v Speaker 5>how strict my parents were. Nowadays, I'm like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't let my kids do anything either. No, everything's

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<v Speaker 3>But it's tough.

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<v Speaker 2>It's tough, and you know, I have different approaches with

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<v Speaker 2>my four different kids, right They're all different, especially with

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<v Speaker 2>social media. It's so tough around social media. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>constant battle to keep them off their screens. But yet

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<v Speaker 2>now for us. Mommy, I want you to tell us

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<v Speaker 2>what happened today, if you know, with the open meetings

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<v Speaker 2>hearing did you go to that?

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't go, but I was listening in and recording it.

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<v Speaker 5>There was probably like twelve people who testified if they

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<v Speaker 5>weren't voting on anything today, but there was some really

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<v Speaker 5>good testimony on it, and you know, they just kind

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<v Speaker 5>of said some stuff, but there was no vote to

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<v Speaker 5>be done today.

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<v Speaker 3>What was your feel like?

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<v Speaker 2>And can you explain to the listeners or I can

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<v Speaker 5>So they passed what was the bill number? Last legislative session,

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<v Speaker 5>they passed the bill. I forget what number. It was basically,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think Soper was in on it, but it

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<v Speaker 5>was basically to make the open meetings like harder, making

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<v Speaker 5>things harder for to be open and transparent, and so

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<v Speaker 5>they had to this was this meeting was a part

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>It's also convoluted, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And they wanted to be that way, don't they. For

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<v Speaker 2>those of you don't know, Jessica has a great Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>handle Force Mommy. She is constantly calling out the government,

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<v Speaker 2>local and state for all their shenanigans and just what

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<v Speaker 2>do you think is the most egregious thing you've seen

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<v Speaker 2>lately that really bothers you that the government's up to, well,

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<v Speaker 2>the egg.

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<v Speaker 5>Thing, Yeah, Carrie Sonovan and the egg thing. And she's

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<v Speaker 5>up at her ranch in the mountains, you know, probably

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<v Speaker 5>has her own eggs and everything. And they pass that

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<v Speaker 5>and I guess someone was looking at her blue Sky

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<v Speaker 5>account because they all ran the blue sky, of course,

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<v Speaker 5>and she was like basically saying, Oh, it wasn't our fault,

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<v Speaker 5>blah blah blah, you know that kind of stuff. And

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<v Speaker 5>just all the rules they make on businesses, all these

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, that was one of the most difficult

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<v Speaker 3>And granted, we were trying to open doggy daycare.

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<v Speaker 2>Facilities in the middle of city areas, but we were

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<v Speaker 2>so many jobs with those businesses and bring a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of joy to the dogs and the dog owners in

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<v Speaker 2>the neighborhood, and we would have all of them testify

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<v Speaker 2>and they would still turn it down over and over

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<v Speaker 2>and over again. And so that's actually when I finally

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<v Speaker 3>Teach me how to push back.

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<v Speaker 2>And I learned how to advocate for my franchise ease

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know two thousand and eight or nine when

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<v Speaker 2>I first started getting engaged, but that's you have a

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<v Speaker 2>similar path to getting involved in the local government. You

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<v Speaker 5>I was well, mainly during the COVID stuff when I started,

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<v Speaker 5>the local government and these unelected people were ruining all

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<v Speaker 5>of our lives. So, you know, I started people like

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<v Speaker 5>love to say they're political experts and stuff, and I'm like, no,

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<v Speaker 5>you have to actually get involved and know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 5>So it was kind of like that where I just

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<v Speaker 5>I had to use my voice. I'd use my little

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<v Speaker 5>I think this legislative session in Colorado's gonna be one

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<v Speaker 5>of our best. We're going to have the most people

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<v Speaker 5>down there testifying, hopefully, and I don't know. I'm hopeful

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<v Speaker 5>about Colorado. I'm just not giving up on Colorado.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not either, And I think Freestate Colorado's doing

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<v Speaker 2>a great job also of covering what's happening at the capitol.

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<v Speaker 3>You can follow.

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<v Speaker 2>Brandon on Twitter and also I think he has a

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube channel. But thanks Jess, thanks for joining and keep

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<v Speaker 2>up the great work.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>No sleepovers for Jess's kids if she has any WHOA. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I tend to agree with her on what's happening in society,

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<v Speaker 2>think there's a crazy balance we have to find as

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<v Speaker 2>parents between giving our kids freedom to make a few

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<v Speaker 2>bad decisions or you know, keep them locked in their

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<v Speaker 2>would freak out if I tried to do that. Oh, Jesse.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things that really caught my attention this

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<v Speaker 3>I like watching it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a glutton for punishment. Face the Nation had on

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<v Speaker 3>Right now for this bird flu that's coming. Did you

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<v Speaker 4>I did see the clip of it. Yeah, that's I

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<v Speaker 4>forget the name doctor Wynn I think is her name.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll pass on that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think all of America is going to take a

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, even if it's serious, like take a different approach.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, they're so tone deaf after everything that happened with

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<v Speaker 4>COVID that to go out there and still push that

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, getting whacked in the election wasn't enough.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, Okay, there was a red tsunami all across

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<v Speaker 2>America telling you to stop this nonsense.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's dry some more, let's do some more. Take the

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<v Speaker 3>hint people, I know, and I mean that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a big conversation to the MAHA movement make America

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<v Speaker 2>healthy again with RFK Junior, and I think there was

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<v Speaker 2>even some little spats going on in that movement over

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<v Speaker 2>the weekend. Everybody was feisty this weekend. I mean, our

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<v Speaker 2>football team's lost, so we had a good reason to be.

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<v Speaker 4>But right, yeah, there's a lot of infighting going on

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<v Speaker 4>in the x sphere at the moment between the MAGA

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<v Speaker 4>people and vivic and it's getting it's getting nasty.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, legislating is messy, and winning an election

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<v Speaker 2>is is pretty different. But I think Trump made a

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<v Speaker 2>choose anybody else. But next up, we're gonna talk about

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<v Speaker 2>This is Hidi Ganaal filling in for Dan Capless. Thursday. Everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>it's Hidi Ganna. Oh is it's not Thursday? Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>see I'm in that weird, weird zone right now, Jesse, what.

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<v Speaker 4>Day is does not apply? I believe today is Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it's Monday. That's why I had I was in denial.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Hidi Ganall. I'm filling in for Dan Caplis.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously I have holiday brain. We're gonna talk a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit now about election integrity, a very interesting issue one

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<v Speaker 2>that's been you know, in the in the headlines. In Colorado,

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<v Speaker 2>we had Jenna Griswold, her department as Secretary of State

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<v Speaker 2>leaked some bios passwords and caused a lot of voters

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that it's so so ridiculous that Jenna

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<v Speaker 2>believed with all her heart she was doing the right

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<v Speaker 2>things for the voters and to protect her election in

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<v Speaker 2>Masa County.

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<v Speaker 3>She was the Mason County Clerk.

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<v Speaker 2>I have my friend Bob Cooper on to talk more

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<v Speaker 2>about election integrity and what's happened over the last few months.

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<v Speaker 6>Hello, Bob, Hi, how are you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good, except it's Monday, not Thursday.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you know that?

435
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<v Speaker 6>No, you're kidding.

436
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<v Speaker 5>I know, I know, Bob.

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<v Speaker 6>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just going to say, you've been in the

439
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<v Speaker 2>trenches on the election integrity front for a while. We've

440
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<v Speaker 2>gotten to know each other over the last year or so,

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<v Speaker 2>and you are involved with a group called Colorado Institute

442
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<v Speaker 2>for Election Integrity Coffee doing great work. But I want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk a little bit about what's happened in the

444
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<v Speaker 2>last couple months since you actually helped me with an

445
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<v Speaker 2>audit we did in Douglas County over the last two

446
00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:29.319
<v Speaker 2>years since the twenty two election, and we did a

447
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<v Speaker 2>press conference a few months ago, it was a couple

448
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<v Speaker 2>months before the election, talking about a few key issues

449
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<v Speaker 2>that we found that we're concerning leading up to the

450
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<v Speaker 2>twenty four election, and one of those was the US

451
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<v Speaker 2>post Office and you were the lead on some research.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to talk a little bit about that

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<v Speaker 2>project and what you did and.

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<v Speaker 3>What you found.

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<v Speaker 6>Sure, be happy to do that, just just as the

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<v Speaker 6>backdrop that most Colorado citizens should understand, as we are

457
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<v Speaker 6>in a mail in voting state, so not every state

458
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<v Speaker 6>is like that, but what we do because we are

459
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<v Speaker 6>a mail in voting state, is we mail out three

460
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<v Speaker 6>point eight million ballots the US Postal Service and that's

461
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<v Speaker 6>how votes are cast, the mail voting system. And there's

462
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<v Speaker 6>two parts of that process. One is the delivery of

463
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<v Speaker 6>the ballot to the home by the United States Postal

464
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<v Speaker 6>Service or the residents, and the other part of that

465
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<v Speaker 6>is a critical part of the election system is the

466
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<v Speaker 6>ballot packets that are returned and categorized as undeliverable ballots.

467
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<v Speaker 6>And many people do not understand that the accuracy of

468
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<v Speaker 6>the voter registration records are partly dependent on reporting of

469
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<v Speaker 6>undeliverable ballots because what happens is the counties are returned

470
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<v Speaker 6>all the undeliverable ballots by the United States Postal Service

471
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<v Speaker 6>that gathers them all up during an election, and these

472
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<v Speaker 6>are typically ballots where records that the voter changed residents

473
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<v Speaker 6>moved out of the state, and the US postal carriers

474
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<v Speaker 6>along with the central Postal Office, categorize these ballots as undeliverable.

475
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<v Speaker 6>They are not permitted to be forwarded and they are

476
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<v Speaker 6>gathered up in returned to the county that controls that

477
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<v Speaker 6>part of the voter registration system. The reason these are

478
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<v Speaker 6>a vital election record is because they are partly used

479
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<v Speaker 6>to determine whether the voter's status should be changed from

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<v Speaker 6>active to inactive undeliverable. The reason that is extremely important

481
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<v Speaker 6>is because if the record is not recorded as undeliverable inactive,

482
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<v Speaker 6>that voter will continue to get a ballot even though

483
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<v Speaker 6>they don't live at that address anymore. So it is

484
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<v Speaker 6>a really crucial record.

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<v Speaker 3>Bob.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I ask you a question, do you know how

487
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<v Speaker 2>many undeliverable ballots there were returned to the post office

488
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<v Speaker 2>like statewide?

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<v Speaker 3>Or can you give us an example in a county?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, I can give a county in the data I

491
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<v Speaker 6>have right now for twenty twenty two. Or if I

492
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<v Speaker 6>did the first thought it and that number was curtly

493
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<v Speaker 6>over one hundred and fifty thousand, I think it's left

494
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<v Speaker 6>one hundred and sixty thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>So one hundred and sixty thousand or so ballots in

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty two election were returned undeliverable. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>that what you found in your research was there was

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<v Speaker 2>a big gap in just the eleven counties that you

499
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<v Speaker 2>looked at, specifically nine there were about thirty thousand ballots

500
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<v Speaker 2>that were unaccounted for in those nine counties. Is that accurate?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes? Let me clarify this so that the people listening

502
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<v Speaker 6>understand one of the major issues on a voting system

503
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<v Speaker 6>is they are poorly audited. And when I I'll give

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<v Speaker 6>this example. Normally in a business, on this type of

505
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<v Speaker 6>a document, what you'd want to have is very good

506
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<v Speaker 6>chain of custody, in other words, documents that showed in

507
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<v Speaker 6>the county. Hey, the United States Postal Service delivered to

508
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<v Speaker 6>my county on this date four thousand undeliverable ballots as

509
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<v Speaker 6>election returned items. Yes, So in twenty twenty two, via

510
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<v Speaker 6>education from a former postmaster, we know that the United

511
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<v Speaker 6>States Postal Service is required by regulation to return those

512
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<v Speaker 6>ballots marked undeliverable. But they also are required to bill

513
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<v Speaker 6>for that return. That's not done for free. So almost

514
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<v Speaker 6>all the counties are supposed to have some kind of

515
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<v Speaker 6>postal invoicing based on the returns of those undeliverable ballots.

516
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<v Speaker 6>So when you mentioned thirty thousand in eleven counties in

517
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<v Speaker 6>twenty twenty two, none of thirty thousand undeliverable ballots, the

518
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<v Speaker 6>invoicing did not match. Ranged from counties like Denver where

519
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<v Speaker 6>there were ten thousand out of the like seventeen thousand

520
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<v Speaker 6>where there were no invoices, and yet they counted those

521
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<v Speaker 6>as undeliverable, And there were three counties where they were

522
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<v Speaker 6>built for twelve thousand more undeliverable ballots than they counted.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow.

524
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<v Speaker 6>So you know, and we are doing this again, doing

525
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<v Speaker 6>an audit from the twenty twenty four election. Not from

526
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<v Speaker 6>the standpoint point that we know something's really wrong. We're

527
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<v Speaker 6>doing it because you can't determine if it's wrong or

528
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<v Speaker 6>not if you don't have procedures like this to audit,

529
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<v Speaker 6>to chain a custody.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Bob, That's one thing that I became very aware

531
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<v Speaker 2>of after doing a lot of research and going through

532
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<v Speaker 2>this analysis of the Douglas County election in twenty two

533
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<v Speaker 2>is there is really no outside auditors that come in

534
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<v Speaker 2>and look at the processes and systems of our elections,

535
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:13.920
<v Speaker 2>all of its self governing. Like we saw that with

536
00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:16.559
<v Speaker 2>the BIOS password, Like she even hired I think a

537
00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:20.039
<v Speaker 2>law firm that was involved somehow in her race or

538
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:23.599
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember, but anyway, it was all like very incestuous.

539
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<v Speaker 2>And instead of bringing outside experts that know what they're

540
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<v Speaker 2>doing to come in and look at the machines, look

541
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<v Speaker 2>at the signature verification process, look at the US Post

542
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<v Speaker 2>Office process for invoicing ballots, there's none of that. They

543
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<v Speaker 2>all just kind of watch over themselves, which doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we'd never do that in the business world.

545
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<v Speaker 3>Is that accurate?

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<v Speaker 6>That's absolutely accurate, infective any message your listeners say out

547
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<v Speaker 6>on this. The country should be all over this, citizens

548
00:27:57.160 --> 00:28:02.720
<v Speaker 6>should be all over These voting systems are very poorly audited.

549
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<v Speaker 6>In fact, we can absolutely illustrate to the public that

550
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<v Speaker 6>they would not pass even federal GLO audit standards.

551
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<v Speaker 2>So, Bob, let me take a break real quick to

552
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<v Speaker 2>ask you a question. So when we talk about auditing

553
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<v Speaker 2>and bringing in someone from the outside to look at things,

554
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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about who makes those decisions. Because

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<v Speaker 2>we have a lot of Republican county clerks across the state.

556
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<v Speaker 2>We have the majority of county commissioners that are Republican,

557
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<v Speaker 2>I think it's about sixty forty the split, and the

558
00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:43.240
<v Speaker 2>county commissioners hire the county attorney that has a lot

559
00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:45.839
<v Speaker 2>of say over how things go in the counties. So

560
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:47.640
<v Speaker 2>even if the clerk doesn't want to do it, could

561
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<v Speaker 2>pressuring the county commissioners or asking them to ask their

562
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:53.559
<v Speaker 2>attorney and their clerk to do some of these things,

563
00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:57.480
<v Speaker 2>or bringing outside people. That's not allowed anymore. Because Jenna

564
00:28:57.519 --> 00:28:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Griswold changed the rules is that correct.

565
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<v Speaker 6>That's absolutely correct. That was done in twenty twenty one

566
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<v Speaker 6>when the you know, the angst over the twenty twenty

567
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:13.599
<v Speaker 6>election was really high, and they immediately panned outside audits.

568
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:17.400
<v Speaker 6>And the citizens should really be upset about this, and

569
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<v Speaker 6>it is up. This has to be changed with the

570
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<v Speaker 6>Secretary of State and that the legislature must get on this,

571
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<v Speaker 6>and that will only occur via a couple of things.

572
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<v Speaker 6>The first item would be a public needs to understand

573
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<v Speaker 6>these systems are poorly audited. The second item and thank

574
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<v Speaker 6>you for having a show to get into this. The

575
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:46.160
<v Speaker 6>media needs to cover this.

576
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:50.960
<v Speaker 3>It's not you're funny. Maybe Rocky Mountain Voice has covered it.

577
00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:52.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't know about the others.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, And so we've tried to get this in front

579
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:01.440
<v Speaker 6>of even conservative streams and and it's not we're screaming

580
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:05.720
<v Speaker 6>election fraud. We're screaming the thing isn't properly audited.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd never know, right, That's not too much to ask,

582
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:13.240
<v Speaker 2>especially with what's at stake right now, with people's mistrust

583
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:16.319
<v Speaker 2>in the elections. I don't think there would be any

584
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:19.400
<v Speaker 2>harm in opening up the books, as they say, and

585
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:20.720
<v Speaker 2>letting some experts.

586
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:21.640
<v Speaker 3>Obviously, in a.

587
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<v Speaker 2>Secure way evaluate these systems and processes. We saw the

588
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:29.079
<v Speaker 2>disconnect in the signature verification process in Mason County where

589
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:32.200
<v Speaker 2>three ballots got through that shouldn't have and those voters

590
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:36.359
<v Speaker 2>weren't allowed to have their vote count because of that.

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<v Speaker 6>That's a perfect illustration because it's parents I know in

592
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<v Speaker 6>the entire state. I don't know of any audit that's

593
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<v Speaker 6>been done on the accuracy of the signature verification system.

594
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<v Speaker 6>There's no report you can find. So the entire process

595
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<v Speaker 6>that is used to secure that the voter ID is

596
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<v Speaker 6>linked to that that ballot, there is no reports on

597
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:07.480
<v Speaker 6>how accurate the process is that I know of. If

598
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:09.960
<v Speaker 6>someone knows, they ought to call in and let us know.

599
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:13.640
<v Speaker 6>But I know of no published report in the accuracy

600
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<v Speaker 6>of that process.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob, if you're willing to stay after the break, we'd

602
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:19.640
<v Speaker 2>love to keep talking to you. If not, I'll keep

603
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:22.079
<v Speaker 2>the conversation going and folks can call in at three

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<v Speaker 2>oh three seven one, three eight two five five or

605
00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:28.200
<v Speaker 2>text Dan to five seven seven three nine and we'll

606
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:28.839
<v Speaker 2>engage there.

607
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:31.599
<v Speaker 3>But this is really really important information.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not the most fun topic to discuss, but it's

609
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<v Speaker 2>really critical to in storing ensuring trust in our elections again.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is Hidi Ganall filling in for Dan Caples

611
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<v Speaker 2>with my guest Bob Cooper.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now. We're going to talk more after the break.

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<v Speaker 3>See you in a minute. Good afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Heidi Ganall filling in for Dan Caplis, and have

615
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<v Speaker 2>my friend on Bob Cooper, who's kind of election integrity expert.

616
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<v Speaker 2>He's done some incredible work over the last couple of years.

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<v Speaker 5>Bob.

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<v Speaker 2>We've talked about the US Post Office and how there's

619
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:07.359
<v Speaker 2>some serious issues around reporting undeliverable ballots and just ballots,

620
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:09.680
<v Speaker 2>tens of thousands of ballots floating around that no one

621
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<v Speaker 2>can account for. We've also talked about signature verification and

622
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<v Speaker 2>how there's really been no analysis of whether the system

623
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<v Speaker 2>works or not. And I think Jenna Griswold even says, hey,

624
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<v Speaker 2>if you're looking for the signal, if you're working in

625
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:25.039
<v Speaker 2>the election process and you see a signature in your

626
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:27.720
<v Speaker 2>fifty one percentage, sure it's right, go for it. Then

627
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:30.680
<v Speaker 2>it's okay, which is crazy. And then we've got the

628
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:34.680
<v Speaker 2>voter roles that aren't necessarily cleaned up like they were

629
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:38.319
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be, even after the Judicial Watch lawsuit. And

630
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<v Speaker 2>then we've got Jenna Griswold who lied about remote Wi

631
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<v Speaker 2>Fi access in our voting systems in twenty twenty and

632
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:49.519
<v Speaker 2>come to find out there's twelve apparently counties according to

633
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<v Speaker 2>Matt Crane, the head of the Clerk's Association, that have

634
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:56.079
<v Speaker 2>remote access in the voting systems after she said there wasn't.

635
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<v Speaker 2>And the final straw that we discovered over the last

636
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:01.200
<v Speaker 2>couple of years was that the drop boxes are not

637
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:04.440
<v Speaker 2>monitored appropriately. The cameras aren't high quality enough, they're not

638
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<v Speaker 2>pointed in the right direction. We've got four hundred plus

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<v Speaker 2>drop boxes across the state, and the counties typically don't

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<v Speaker 2>evaluate the tape or look to see.

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<v Speaker 3>If anything went wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>So with all that being said, I think you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>and we only have a couple minutes to wrap this up.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the most important things we can ask

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<v Speaker 2>our county commissioners and our county clerks at our local

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<v Speaker 2>levels is to bring in outside experts to do audits.

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<v Speaker 2>The Secretary of State's going to say, no, she created

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<v Speaker 2>that rule, but someone needs to have the kahunas to

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<v Speaker 2>sue her and say absolutely, we're going to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>And I bet half of Colorado at least would have

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<v Speaker 2>their backs.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think?

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<v Speaker 6>I think so, I think it's part of it is

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<v Speaker 6>the citizens need to understand this needs to be done,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's not a political issue. It's an issue of

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<v Speaker 6>having a very good, secure voting system with proper audit standards.

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<v Speaker 6>There are none, So you know, this citizen should make

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<v Speaker 6>an issue of this because heney this can be fixed.

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<v Speaker 6>This is not a case of you know, there are

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<v Speaker 6>simple things that could improve it immensely. And having met

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<v Speaker 6>with multiple election officials and county clerks, these are very

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<v Speaker 6>good people. They just are really charged with getting the

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<v Speaker 6>election process done. But they can be a big part

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<v Speaker 6>of a campaign to try and improve the auditing and

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<v Speaker 6>improving chain of custody in demanding it and even if

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<v Speaker 6>going past the Secretary of State in demanding it. So

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<v Speaker 6>I think there's a bunch that can be done here.

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<v Speaker 6>And I just think it's great you're willing to cover

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<v Speaker 6>this well.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's so important to restore trust in our

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<v Speaker 2>voting systems, in our process, in our vote, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>missing for a lot of America, for a lot of Colorado,

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<v Speaker 2>especially with all the debacles that happened in this latest election,

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<v Speaker 2>and when we came out and did that election integrity

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<v Speaker 2>press conference a couple months before the election, it was

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<v Speaker 2>shocking how even the Republican clerks got mad at me

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<v Speaker 2>and said, you know, I was freaking everyone out. And

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<v Speaker 2>then a couple weeks later, Jenna does her whole bios

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<v Speaker 2>password Lake. Good times here in Colorado, but we can

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<v Speaker 2>fix it. Like Bob said, Bob, thank you for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>You can learn more at CEO Coloradofair Elections dot org,

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<v Speaker 2>get involved Ceofair Elections dot org, and we'll be back

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<v Speaker 2>right after the break