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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM

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<v Speaker 1>six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>KFI AM six forty on a hump day, Wednesday, May seventh.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of stories we're looking at. Federal agents have

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<v Speaker 2>started visiting courthouses waiting for people to show up for

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<v Speaker 2>their legal proceedings and then arresting them. And legal experts

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<v Speaker 2>and immigration advocates are saying, not that it's illegal, not

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<v Speaker 2>that the.

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<v Speaker 1>Feds can't do it, they already tried that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's what these arrests disrupt the judicial process and may

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<v Speaker 2>intimidate people from attending court hearings. And that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>go no place too, because it is now upheld. The

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<v Speaker 2>Feds can go into the courthouse. Well, they always could,

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<v Speaker 2>it was just upheld by the courts.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Now moving on to a bill that at first glance

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<v Speaker 2>make a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 1>And at first glance, the Democrats who.

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<v Speaker 2>Were opposed to this bill were ripped into and they

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<v Speaker 2>had to come back, they had to change their mind.

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<v Speaker 1>And why there's a point to what they say. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The Democrats were in opposition to a bill that would

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<v Speaker 2>increase the penalty for soliciting a minor age sixteen or

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen and make that a felony automatic felony, and that

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<v Speaker 2>change after they walked it back. They had to walk

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<v Speaker 2>it back because they man faced such criticism, including Governor

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<v Speaker 2>Gavin Newsom.

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<v Speaker 1>AB three seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Would allow prosecutors to file felony charges against adults who

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<v Speaker 2>solicit sex from a sixteen or seventeen year old if

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<v Speaker 2>the accused is three years older than the miner, they

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<v Speaker 2>can now be charged with a felony if the offenders

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<v Speaker 2>win three years of the miner. If not, the charge

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<v Speaker 2>is a misdemeanor automatically. And now they're saying it is

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<v Speaker 2>a felony or it can be a felony, and that's important.

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<v Speaker 2>That's important because there is a secondary point to this story.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, the bill includes.

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<v Speaker 2>A grant program from the state to streamline prosecution and

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<v Speaker 2>human trafficking sex trafficking support for survivors.

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<v Speaker 1>All of that, of course, makes sense, and no one's

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<v Speaker 1>going to say no.

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<v Speaker 2>So current law allows the offense of soliciting a minor

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<v Speaker 2>under sixteen for six to be punishable as a misdemeanor

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<v Speaker 2>or a felony on the first defense, and as a

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<v Speaker 2>felony on subsequent A fence so under sixteen it's punishable

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<v Speaker 2>as a misdemeanor or a felony. And now it is, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be automatic under sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Which it should be. But here is the bill.

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<v Speaker 2>Maggie Krell, a Democrat out of Sacramento Assembly member who

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<v Speaker 2>authored ABE seventy nine, extends the same punishment to those

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<v Speaker 2>who solicit sixteen and seventeen year olds. So last week

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<v Speaker 2>the Democratic and a Democratic Assembly approved an amendment that

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<v Speaker 2>removed that provision. Removed it, and the backlog was crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean, how can it be possible that

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<v Speaker 2>celeiciting a minor can be a misdemeanor. That's impossible. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it extended it to sixteen and seventeen year olds, and

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<v Speaker 2>here is the difference. A judge should be able to

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<v Speaker 2>take that on a case by case basis.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me give you a scenario.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got a twenty year old stoops a seventeen year old,

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<v Speaker 2>a seventeen seventeen plus ten months year old two months

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<v Speaker 2>away from her usually her eighteenth birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a crime that is automatically a crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, twenty year olds with someone who is

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<v Speaker 2>almost eighteen? Really, and so the Democrat said no, that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the backlash came like you couldn't believe, and

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<v Speaker 2>Newsom came down and the Democrats came back and said, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it is a crime on a case by case basis.

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<v Speaker 2>The prosecutor should be able to not even file I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that is consensual sex, except if someone is under

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<v Speaker 2>the eighteenth birth under their eighteenth birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a criminal offense. This is why it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It has to be done on a case by case.

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<v Speaker 2>Because there are twenty year olds or twenty two or

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five. This is the minimum twenty three years older.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a couple of different ways that a twenty

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<v Speaker 2>year old can have sex with a seventeen year old.

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<v Speaker 2>One is grooming that seventeen year old and doing it

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<v Speaker 2>such a way as coercion or duress or fraud, or

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<v Speaker 2>pretending to be someone else, pretending to be another seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>year old. Okay, I'll buy that, But what if it's

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<v Speaker 2>totally consensual. You know, the average age that people start

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<v Speaker 2>having sex in the United States has not changed since

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen fifties. And you know what that is, Heather,

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<v Speaker 2>average age for sex? How much what sixteen boy, you

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<v Speaker 2>must have had a really wild life when you were younger.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, no, not me.

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<v Speaker 2>I just maybe it's just la I just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you protest too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Close and.

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<v Speaker 2>Notice I'm asking the women here average age of when

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<v Speaker 2>do you start having sex?

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<v Speaker 1>When when women.

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<v Speaker 2>Girls start having sex? Eighteen seventeen? Oh, they're miners seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>and under the law they are miners. So if an

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen year old has sex with someone who is seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>that may be a criminal offense. What this bill says

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<v Speaker 2>there has to well, it has to be three years older.

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<v Speaker 2>So if someone is almost seventeen then or almost eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen being the average age of which people start stooping, then.

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<v Speaker 1>It's uh was where is that going with that?

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<v Speaker 2>Then it is criminal. So goes beyond it goes beyond

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<v Speaker 2>what we normally do. Neil, I was just wondering, aren't

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<v Speaker 2>there some state that have the age of consent at

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<v Speaker 2>like sixteen or something?

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<v Speaker 1>You bet much lower? You bet?

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<v Speaker 2>So? Is this a this is California? This is California. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is straight California. Now, there are some countries that

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<v Speaker 2>have well there's no consent, but you can get married

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<v Speaker 2>at the age of eight. You know, those are some

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<v Speaker 2>Muslim countries a lot of fun as.

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<v Speaker 1>Them twelve year old. I do think about this a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wonder, like how that's all going to play

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<v Speaker 1>out in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I have two girls and I was really well

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<v Speaker 2>concerned about them being sexually active. So they got their

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<v Speaker 2>guarda sil shot when they were seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness. Okay, a little.

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<v Speaker 2>Bit on the tariffs going on, and I'm in the

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<v Speaker 2>just in the middle of all this terraffs from China,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly one hundred and forty five percent. So how does

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<v Speaker 2>a business get around a terraff from China?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they just stuck? Not necessarily.

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<v Speaker 2>There are end a rounds two particularly, and one is

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<v Speaker 2>the bonded warehouse, and that is goods that are shipped

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<v Speaker 2>into the United States do not go to the distributor

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<v Speaker 2>or the buyer. They go into a bonded warehouse, which

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<v Speaker 2>means those are sealed. It hasn't come into the United

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<v Speaker 2>States officially, and the tariff is only paid when the

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<v Speaker 2>goods are pulled out of that bonded warehouse. That's regulated

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, by the customs folks. So that bonded

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<v Speaker 2>warehouse means the goods haven't come in the other way,

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<v Speaker 2>and this can be this is kind of fun. This

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<v Speaker 2>is tariff engineering and harmonize system codes to qualify for

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<v Speaker 2>lower rates. The fun one is tariff engineering. What does

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<v Speaker 2>that mean? Well, we start with why do tariff agreements

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<v Speaker 2>take so long? There are five thousand different products that

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<v Speaker 2>have to be discussed because there are differences in tariffs

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<v Speaker 2>in each one of these categories.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why you don't overnight.

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<v Speaker 2>Even the right now the people in the financial end

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<v Speaker 2>of the Trump administration are saying, yeah, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not gonna happen immediately. Even if we cut a deal,

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<v Speaker 2>it can take a year. It can take two years

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<v Speaker 2>to renegotiate a tariff deal. Let me give you an

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<v Speaker 2>example of this tariff engineering converse. They have the all

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<v Speaker 2>star sneaker. The soul of that sneaker contains some felt.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not all rubber. So why would they put felt

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<v Speaker 2>in the sneaker. Well, because if you have felt in

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<v Speaker 2>these sneakers, they could be considered house slippers because there

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<v Speaker 2>is felt in it. You make whatever minimum amount of

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<v Speaker 2>felt necessary under the treaty agreement, and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have a sneaker, you have a house slipper,

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<v Speaker 2>which is very different in tariffs than a sneaker. Columbia

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<v Speaker 2>Sportswear big company has a whole team of people who

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<v Speaker 2>work with the designers and manufacturers to deal with tariffs.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one of the end arounds.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a law firm, GDLSK specializes in trade compliance.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the partners says, we're working with compani who say, gee,

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<v Speaker 2>I really want this to be on the list.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at my tariff codes. What can I do now?

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<v Speaker 2>Slapping a new code doesn't necessarily mean anything, because just

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<v Speaker 2>if you call it a different thing, that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>it is a different thing. This is not a duck.

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<v Speaker 2>You can call it a duck, but it may not

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<v Speaker 2>be a duck. So what US Customs and Border Protection

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<v Speaker 2>does when they examine goods, they will send fabrics out

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<v Speaker 2>to the l to see if they meet the requirements.

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<v Speaker 2>Because pure wool is on one level. Wool that has

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<v Speaker 2>rayon on it is on something else. Polyester maybe on

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<v Speaker 2>a different level. If it's thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Percent, it qualifies for one tariff.

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<v Speaker 2>These are from every country we have tariff agreements with.

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<v Speaker 2>You wonder why they're saying you deal a new terrify

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<v Speaker 2>a new teriff agreement. Why it would take so long.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to know someone that was in the jewelry business.

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<v Speaker 2>The tariff on a ring that's manufactured is at one level.

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<v Speaker 2>The tariff on just the gold and the diamond or

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<v Speaker 2>the stone was on a different level. So they would

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<v Speaker 2>buy rings that weren't put together, separate rings, separate stones manufactured,

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<v Speaker 2>and they put they would assemble them in the United

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<v Speaker 2>States and it was a whole different tariff level. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the end around. And how am I in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of it? Well, we my partner and I we have

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<v Speaker 2>a shipment on the way right now coming in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States that as soon as it hits US ports

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<v Speaker 2>is one hundred and forty five percent. It's coming from

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<v Speaker 2>China made out of stainless steel at another twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>percent or another twenty percent, so we now become one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty five percent tariff.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going into a bonded warehouse.

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<v Speaker 2>You can, if you're a company, keep goods in a

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<v Speaker 2>bonded warehouse up to five years. It's as if they

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<v Speaker 2>never came in the United States and just wait for

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<v Speaker 2>the tariff to drop, and it maybe a month and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe two.

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<v Speaker 1>We have one.

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<v Speaker 2>Situation where we have a container coming over, a shipment

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<v Speaker 2>coming over that we have no choice and we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to just pay it. We have a contract. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to lose the customer. We have to have the

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<v Speaker 2>company or factory. It is not ours, but in factor

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<v Speaker 2>we dealt for years in China, stay alive. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to just hit the tariff. Were going to lose

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<v Speaker 2>our shirts on this one shipment. There's not much you

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<v Speaker 2>can do, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus is my friend. Jesus geez.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the song that you heard as the cardinals were

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<v Speaker 2>marching into the Sistine Chapel.

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<v Speaker 1>They were all singing and dancing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do believe they have entered the Sistine Chapel

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<v Speaker 2>and the doors have been sealed. And now the cardinals

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<v Speaker 2>start to work. One hundred and I think thirty three

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<v Speaker 2>who are voting. Cardinals now sit and.

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<v Speaker 1>Begin the vote.

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<v Speaker 2>And the way it works is a vote is taken

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<v Speaker 2>twice a day, actually morning and evening.

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<v Speaker 1>The votes are counted. The cardinal that runs.

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<v Speaker 2>The election, and I don't know how will you say,

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<v Speaker 2>the cardinal that runs the election in Latin anyway, he

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<v Speaker 2>calls out the votes and everybody knows which way it's going.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's almost like it's very close to a political

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<v Speaker 2>party at a convention. That's a very close convention. And

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<v Speaker 2>it used to be that way. Names would be tossed around,

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<v Speaker 2>there'd be votes among the various state delegations until some

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<v Speaker 2>name came out, and there was a lot of politicking.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also a lot of politicking in the Vatican.

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<v Speaker 2>The cardinals all got together several days ago as quickly

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<v Speaker 2>as possible because they don't know each other. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>is no local bar. They come from one hundred countries

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<v Speaker 2>all over the world. Francis did that. He made sure

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<v Speaker 2>that cardinals were named from all over the world, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of third world countries. He named eighty percent of

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<v Speaker 2>those cardinals that are voting. And that it has a

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<v Speaker 2>lot to do with who is going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>next pope? And so is there politicking As they get

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<v Speaker 2>to know each other, they start banding about names. They

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<v Speaker 2>are looking at whether and this is the big one,

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<v Speaker 2>it is the next post pope going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>conservative or is he going to be a liberal pope?

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<v Speaker 2>Is he going to expand with the Catholic Church? And

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<v Speaker 2>is about and how inclusive in the way it works,

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<v Speaker 2>or is it going to contract and go back to

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<v Speaker 2>more conservative values.

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<v Speaker 1>That's important.

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<v Speaker 2>That is actually the biggest question they have is which

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<v Speaker 2>way the Catholic Church is going to go? And pope

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<v Speaker 2>is chosen based on that. Now, regular politicking is everybody

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<v Speaker 2>goes around says I'll give you this position. You can

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<v Speaker 2>be secretary of state, you can be posted to a

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<v Speaker 2>master general, if you're head of a delegation, I want

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<v Speaker 2>your votes. There is similar politicking, but it's not about positions.

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<v Speaker 2>It is about which way does the church go? And

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<v Speaker 2>it really started, I mean the issue as to conservatism,

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<v Speaker 2>real conservatism or real liberalism started back in the nineteen sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>Prior to that, every pope was pretty conservative.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no move to include gays or talk about

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<v Speaker 2>people who are not part of the traditional definition of Catholics.

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<v Speaker 1>You couldn't take communion if.

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<v Speaker 2>You were divorced, the Church wouldn't recognize a second marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly, abortion.

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<v Speaker 2>Gay relationship didn't even exist in the world of Catholicism.

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<v Speaker 2>So then they elect Pope John the twenty third, who

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<v Speaker 2>died only four years after he became pope, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think he died of some food poisoning that he got

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<v Speaker 2>at an all you can eat buffet around the corner

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<v Speaker 2>from the apartments, the papal apartments. A very big guy,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, he was close to three hundred pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>In any case, he was extraordinarily liberal. He was changing

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<v Speaker 2>the way the church goes Vatican Two, which just expanded inclusivity.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean he was talking about female clerics, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>and scared the Curia, which are this small group of

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<v Speaker 2>cardinals that really run it's like a polit bureau who

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<v Speaker 2>run the Catholic Church. Scared the hell out of them

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<v Speaker 2>that from then on they had really conservative pontiffs.

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<v Speaker 1>Benedict was a real conservative pontiff.

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<v Speaker 2>Good pontiff. That's never mind, that's a happy Friday night

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<v Speaker 2>in Yiddish anyway, So he was insanely conservative. Going back

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<v Speaker 2>to Pious the Tenth, who actually was the Nuncio in

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<v Speaker 2>the thirties, effectively he was the foreign minister to Germany,

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>They were kind of close. He in Nazi Germany.

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<v Speaker 2>Benedict was an unenthusiastic member of the Hitler youth during

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<v Speaker 2>the war, and by the way, that's by his definition

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<v Speaker 2>an unenthusiastic member of the Nazi of Nazi youth so

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<v Speaker 2>or the Hitler youth. Now they are in conclave, and

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<v Speaker 2>that means that it is a secret conclave. They're in

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<v Speaker 2>the Sistine Champel, and you've seen pictures of those two

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<v Speaker 2>rows of table at double row of table just looks

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<v Speaker 2>like a very very long table with I think what

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<v Speaker 2>sixty seventy seats on either side, and in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>is empty space and at the end there is It's

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<v Speaker 2>like the British Parliament where you have two sets of

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<v Speaker 2>people on either side of the aisle, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>have the guy who's running it. I forgot his name,

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<v Speaker 2>I think is Fred, and he counts the votes because

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<v Speaker 2>they're written on paper, and hand it to him and

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<v Speaker 2>he then tells the cardinals how many votes any given

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<v Speaker 2>nominee has, and the cardinals are for the last couple

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<v Speaker 2>of days walking around getting to know each other, throwing

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<v Speaker 2>some names around and deciding which way is the church

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<v Speaker 2>going to go. You have conservatives who want to not

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<v Speaker 2>only maintain the tenants of the church but actually bring

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<v Speaker 2>it back. This liberalism they don't want to hear. Francis

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<v Speaker 2>was known as a liberal. But if you think about it,

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<v Speaker 2>the basic tenants did not change. I mean he was

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<v Speaker 2>more inclusive. He spent more time talking about the marginalized people.

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<v Speaker 2>His personal stop was very different than popees. He wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>live in the fancy apartments. He lived basically in a

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<v Speaker 2>dorm where that was built for the cardinals when they meet.

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<v Speaker 1>To elect a new pope. Very simple food. He drove

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<v Speaker 1>around when he was the archbishop in Buenos Aires.

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<v Speaker 2>He drove an old car. He would take the bus.

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<v Speaker 2>Simple man. And he was very politically involved, which popes

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<v Speaker 2>normally don't do. You have problems all over the world

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<v Speaker 2>and the pope praise right, you have a conflict. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>pray for the people who are being killed hurt. He

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<v Speaker 2>got involved, man. He came down hard on the Ukraine

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<v Speaker 2>Russia war. That came down hard against Russia, came down

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<v Speaker 2>hard against Israel. I mean, he was political, but did

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<v Speaker 2>not change the basic philosophy of the church. No married priests. Abortion,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't say the same women in the clergy. Uh, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to happen now. He did give communion to

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<v Speaker 2>people who are same sex couples and reached out to them,

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<v Speaker 2>but giving communion is not the same as accepting them

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<v Speaker 2>in the basis of the church, and so he looked

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<v Speaker 2>like he was super liberal. There were some, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty superficial stuff. So now, which way are they going

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<v Speaker 2>to go?

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<v Speaker 1>Because that's the.

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<v Speaker 2>Big one is is is the church going to go

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<v Speaker 2>by way of Francis? He chose eighty percent of the cardinals,

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<v Speaker 2>so that gives a big lift to his philosophy of

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<v Speaker 2>more inclusion, but not really more inclusion. Then you have

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<v Speaker 2>the other side of the very conservative cardinals who want

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<v Speaker 2>the church going way back to where it was. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the church has been around for two thousand years. It

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<v Speaker 2>really hasn't changed its philosophy. So we are going to

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<v Speaker 2>see at this point right now, no one has any

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<v Speaker 2>idea which way it's going because it's a secret vote.

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<v Speaker 1>And then of.

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<v Speaker 2>Course the chimney that is above the Sistine Chapel. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I dated exactly above the chapel. They do

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<v Speaker 2>it in a different room.

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<v Speaker 1>Where they actually burn the votes. They burn the paper,

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<v Speaker 1>and if it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Black smoke, it's no pope, no pope for you, And

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<v Speaker 2>if it's white smoke, we have a new pope. Abemo's

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<v Speaker 2>pop'm and what and that everybody goes nuts in Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Peter's Square, Hundreds of thousands of people are there waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for that white smoke.

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<v Speaker 1>And now it's chemicals that do it.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's it's you can tell what's black, you can

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<v Speaker 2>tell it's white. And once one of the cardinals comes

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<v Speaker 2>out and says that abemo's popham.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what they say. We have a pope,

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<v Speaker 1>and now everybody's going wild. Who is it? Who is it?

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<v Speaker 2>While the new pope, it goes down to the dressing room,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a green room effectively snacks, you know, coax there

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<v Speaker 2>you've got this big bucket of ice where they have

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<v Speaker 2>sodas and et cetera little ore derbs.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that for a fact, but this is

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<v Speaker 2>where the vestments are where and there are three sizes

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<v Speaker 2>of papal garments small, medium, large, and depends on how

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<v Speaker 2>big the pope is.

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<v Speaker 1>And then out he comes on to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Balcony, blesses everybody, and there's a new pope, and everybody

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<v Speaker 2>goes berserk. One of the rules is you cannot want

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<v Speaker 2>to be pope. To become pope, I mean you want

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<v Speaker 2>to be pope, I mean secretly, but you can't sort

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<v Speaker 2>of look like you're looking for popiosity. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>be chosen by the cardinals. So you know it used

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<v Speaker 2>to be in presidential politics, you cannot seem to want

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<v Speaker 2>to be president. Probably the most famous one that we

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<v Speaker 2>know historically Abraham Lincoln. He was a compromise candidate eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty when he was elected a second time, or eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty four he was elected a second time. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be president. That never went out,

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<v Speaker 2>never called anybody, but.

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<v Speaker 1>He had his surrogates go out and do the work.

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<v Speaker 2>Today people go out and start screaming, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be president. I want to be president. It's a different world,

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<v Speaker 2>not with a pope. Pope dumb is still done. You

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<v Speaker 2>can't want to be the pope. And you have to

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<v Speaker 2>be humble, and you have to be contrite. You have

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<v Speaker 2>to pray and then what somehow the cardinals vote, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the phone line gets plugged in directly to God

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<v Speaker 2>or to Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how that works. I don't know who

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<v Speaker 1>does that.

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<v Speaker 2>What techno guy takes the pope's cell phone and somehow

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<v Speaker 2>puts in a secret number that God, only God has

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<v Speaker 2>The Vicar of Christ.

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