Speaker 1: Coming to you from the dining room table at East
Speaker 1: Barbary Lane. Welcome to the first twenty twenty sixth episode
Speaker 1: of Full Circle, the podcast. A visit to our home
Speaker 1: where we squeeze a few headlines through our decidedly queer
Speaker 1: lens and warm ourselves by the dumpster fire of a
Speaker 1: new year. This episode is brought to you by Decanted
Speaker 1: jug Wine, Surviving the Holidays, and a country I wish
Speaker 1: I didn't recognize, but I do.
Speaker 2: I am your host Charles Tyson Jr.
Speaker 1: And I'm your host Martha Madrigo. Welcome to the Full
Speaker 1: Circle Table. Hi baby, Hi, we're fucking recording. We are, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we are it.
Speaker 2: You know, Happy new Year, Happy new Year, Well new year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a new year. I've been you know,
Speaker 1: buried and well I wasn't feeling well. But but before that,
Speaker 1: you know, still doing household things.
Speaker 2: And and by the household things, you mean like making
Speaker 2: it look like an entirely new one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm working on, you know, my to do list,
Speaker 1: because like what else do you do? You know, like
Speaker 1: I'm Marthas Stewart. When I don't know what else to do,
Speaker 1: I dig it. Yeah. Well, we had the holidays, were
Speaker 1: actually nice. They were you know, we did more than
Speaker 1: survive them. But plenty of people, you know, and the
Speaker 1: holidays are wrought with emotion and expectation and lots of
Speaker 1: tradition and disappointment and confrontation all the things. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's also you know, and juxtaposed against you know, the
Speaker 1: Trump regime. Yeah, that word regime is is well well yeah,
Speaker 1: so much is happening every day and and you know,
Speaker 1: all by design, and this is you know, so much
Speaker 1: of this is just the natural conclusion of you know,
Speaker 1: letting bullies be in charge of ignorance or run a UK. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and anyone who acts like this is a surprise has
Speaker 1: clearly not been paying attention, which like, if this is
Speaker 1: just reaching your demographic, I welcome. I mean, like what else?
Speaker 1: What else to say?
Speaker 2: And there's surprisingly a lot of that lately, people being
Speaker 2: like they're just not understanding or just being surprised, and like, wow,
Speaker 2: when did this start?
Speaker 1: Bitch? When I voted for the Leopards Eating Faces party, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean it was supposed to eat mine, you know,
Speaker 1: but these are the things that, you know, we've gotten
Speaker 1: so far away from things that make sense. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like, with all of this rhetoric and
Speaker 1: when you cannot trust your government to tell you the
Speaker 1: truth about anything, right, Yeah, And I'm just astounded, and
Speaker 1: I've decided the only way that I can like still
Speaker 1: be on Facebook is all the laughing emojis I assume
Speaker 1: are bots. I just assume they're bots, because even if
Speaker 1: they are, if there is an actual jath Row behind
Speaker 1: that laughing emoji right somewhere, they basically this is a
Speaker 1: hollowed out human being without a brain at this point, right,
Speaker 1: my new because it's happening to you too, I'm.
Speaker 2: Turning it into an opportunity for creativity. My thing has
Speaker 2: been the collective IQ of this comment thread is the
Speaker 2: last one I believe was soup skin well pocket lent
Speaker 2: a pebble in my shoe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, witty rhetoric. It doesn't help being It's all.
Speaker 2: Because the alternative is being angry. And I woke up
Speaker 2: this morning very angry because of social media and I
Speaker 2: regret picking up my phone. Well that plus just what's
Speaker 2: going on now.
Speaker 1: Which we'll get to. We have just but you never listen.
Speaker 1: You never listen when I say stay out of the
Speaker 1: comment section. Truly, I mean, it's not just the comments
Speaker 1: as true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the algorithm them and AI is pushing just just
Speaker 2: bear poking, just right in my face.
Speaker 1: You know. It's awesome about you know, working on home improvement.
Speaker 1: It keeps my mind and my hands busy and off
Speaker 1: of social media. True.
Speaker 2: I did actually investigate in this thing that like takes
Speaker 2: over your phone and makes it minimal, and when you
Speaker 2: try to go on to social media, it like starts
Speaker 2: guilting you, like why did you decide to kill this tree? Well,
Speaker 2: except you have to pay for it? And I'm like,
Speaker 2: but now I'm like, how much is my piece actually worth?
Speaker 1: So I might revisit it? Well, and that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, if there's one thought that I've had over
Speaker 1: you know, over this season, and we did have we
Speaker 1: actually had lovely holidays with deer Ones. Sure, you know
Speaker 1: our friends the grim Woods came up from Arkansas and
Speaker 1: that was wonderful. Yeah, hey, friends of the Pause, that's right.
Speaker 1: But you know, I get to see Keith often, but
Speaker 1: for as long as I feel like I've known Beth,
Speaker 1: we never actually got to spend time in person, right,
Speaker 1: But they were here over Christmas, and what a lovely
Speaker 1: lovely visit, truly with wonderful folks.
Speaker 2: And I said to you, like, you know how when
Speaker 2: you meet someone for the first time, then you spent
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes with them and you forget that you just
Speaker 2: met them, right, because y'all would chilling and keikey and
Speaker 2: like you've known each other forever.
Speaker 1: Right, That was Beth right. And Keith is the bass
Speaker 1: player for trout Fishing in America, which Keith and is
Speaker 1: Sarah and you know, such a wonderful talent and so
Speaker 1: much great song. And proper cup of coffee from a
Speaker 1: proper cup that was your jam, although I want it's
Speaker 1: a proper cup of coffee from a proper copper coffee pot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there we go. Yeah, no, so it. But we just
Speaker 1: had a lovely time, a lovely visit, lots of wonderful food,
Speaker 1: ate too much, cook well, cook too much, ate too much,
Speaker 1: that's not even yeah, but but it was. It was
Speaker 1: lovely and relaxing and you know, loved ones and Kathy
Speaker 1: shared with us, and you know that's what the holiday
Speaker 1: should be. And Thanksgiving was lovely too. It was so
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: Of wonderful things actually have been are happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a birthday.
Speaker 2: I just get rid over my mouth and say you
Speaker 2: had a birthday? I did, Happy belated birthday. Yeah, how
Speaker 2: does it feel to finally be a legal drinking age?
Speaker 1: For what? Ensure? It was funny? I am sixty six zero?
Speaker 1: I sure stupid. I even give less of a fuck
Speaker 1: now than I did in my fifties, and I gave
Speaker 1: no fox. Yeah it's frightening. Yeah, do you know a
Speaker 1: lot of.
Speaker 2: So you're in a fucking deficit.
Speaker 1: Right rights people owe you fox. I lost my last
Speaker 1: fuck with anyway. No, it not as introspective as I
Speaker 1: thought it would all be. It never is, yeah, except
Speaker 1: I've had an introspective year. I mean like that's why
Speaker 1: I quit smoking, do you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: that was the thing was like, come, when you're turning sixty,
Speaker 1: you need to sprit this already. And I'm still not
Speaker 1: smoking cigarettes. No you're not, and nor weed I have.
Speaker 1: I have a little nicotine babe, with like three percent
Speaker 1: nicotine that I do still, you know, hitting oil on again,
Speaker 1: but I don't inhale that right, So my breathing is
Speaker 1: much better. Yeah, I barely smoking no anymore? Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: no coughing, no, not from that I mean it was sick,
Speaker 1: but a bit not from that like it was at all.
Speaker 1: So yeah, still benefits, but that was one of the
Speaker 1: things like leading up to it. So I had a
Speaker 1: whole I think fifty nine was an introspective year in
Speaker 1: some ways.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you were laying the groundwork.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you know lost my job. Of course,
Speaker 1: the person was most responsible for that just got fired.
Speaker 1: Talk about your shaddenfreude. Yeah, that made me smile big.
Speaker 1: I got that news Monday afternoon and I went, oh
Speaker 1: my god, karma is real. Yeah, Karma comic co Yeah,
Speaker 1: Karma come. Yeah. So that was kind of a bright spot.
Speaker 1: But anyway, no, so yeah, there was a birthday and
Speaker 1: mixed in there, and you know, life continues to life.
Speaker 1: We had our spaghetti dinners, which carry forward and they're wonderful.
Speaker 1: I got a promotion. You got a promotion, Yeah, for
Speaker 1: the new year, because you're a new year patiant.
Speaker 2: In fact, I start my new position tonight.
Speaker 1: There you Yeah, I mean, good stuff is still happening.
Speaker 1: But yeah, working on everything takes longer than it used to.
Speaker 1: I swear, like just painting things and doing things and all,
Speaker 1: I think because I need breaks in between now It's like, boy,
Speaker 1: when I was twenty five, I said, knock out a
Speaker 1: room in a weekend. Not as much anymore. But anyway,
Speaker 1: it's almost done. The bathroom's almost done. Yeah, the kitchen's
Speaker 1: pretty much done. You're doing the things. Yeah. And in between,
Speaker 1: you know, lots of organizing and Clinton just my to
Speaker 1: do list to my big long to do list of
Speaker 1: all the things that I couldn't get to, right, you
Speaker 1: know that we're bothering me. I'm getting to now, it's true.
Speaker 1: So yeah, good stuff. Yeh.
Speaker 2: Since we recorded last, Kathy and I went to see
Speaker 2: a production of a play based on one of my
Speaker 2: favoritest books on the planet, A Wrinkle in Time, and
Speaker 2: that was lovely the Ardent Theater Company, and they were
Speaker 2: so kind as to give Kathy and I a tour
Speaker 2: of the theater and the costumes and the props for.
Speaker 1: The whole thing, and I'm like, oh, look there's stuff
Speaker 1: from Rent. Oh look there's stuff from that show. Okay.
Speaker 1: It was very cool, and.
Speaker 2: It was obvious that a fan of the book A
Speaker 2: Wrinkle in Time directed this production because they did it right,
Speaker 2: as opposed to the abomination that was that movie.
Speaker 1: I love Avid Dumurney but.
Speaker 2: Child anyway, Yeah, I didn't like it either, and you
Speaker 2: didn't have the connection to.
Speaker 1: None, So that's why I was a really happy one.
Speaker 1: Y'all went instead of me. I mean, I might have
Speaker 1: enjoyed it, who knows, but it felt like it was
Speaker 1: going to be wasted on me.
Speaker 2: It was really good, And apparently that book is having
Speaker 2: a moment this year because it's it plays a role
Speaker 2: in the new season of Stranger Things.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like in the first episode, which is the only
Speaker 2: episode I've seen this season, one of the characters is
Speaker 2: sitting at the breakfast table reading the book and it's
Speaker 2: the copy that I had with the cover art that
Speaker 2: I remember. Look at that.
Speaker 1: Yay, Okay, it's cute. And what else?
Speaker 2: Oh, the last time we recorded.
Speaker 1: Was our holiday episode. Yes, we did an episode fun
Speaker 1: on the film The Family Stone.
Speaker 2: It was you and me and Kathy and our other
Speaker 2: friend of the pod, doctor Alfred Martin Jr.
Speaker 1: That was good. That was fun. I had a good time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that movie. So next year I think we're
Speaker 1: doing love Actually, yes, that'll be fun.
Speaker 2: Either next Christmas or we'll do it in July.
Speaker 1: Is a Christmas in July oh that would be interesting too,
Speaker 1: but yeah, because that's another one. But The Family Stone
Speaker 1: is a movie I watched multiple times every holiday season.
Speaker 2: Yes, while we got into a nice little debate over
Speaker 2: the pros and cons of The Family Stone, I have
Speaker 2: definite feelings about love.
Speaker 1: Actually, I know, so fair.
Speaker 2: Enough, desks and shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dick Van Dyke lived to be one hundred. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's still alive. But he had a undredth birthday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I loved it.
Speaker 2: Van Dyke always have the dirtiest name and show business.
Speaker 1: Wow, only if you think so, I guess I know,
Speaker 1: never thought that. But yeah, he's hundredth birthday and he's
Speaker 1: still like sharp and yes, yeah, which is great. That's
Speaker 1: fun to say. So that was a good thing. That's
Speaker 1: a good thing. It was since.
Speaker 2: Last we talked, we lost a bunch of people.
Speaker 1: We did lose a bunch of people. Jesus, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Danny Seagrin died at eighty one.
Speaker 1: He was a Sesame.
Speaker 2: Street puppeteer and he was the first live action Spider Man.
Speaker 1: What does that mean. He portrayed the first.
Speaker 2: TV Yeah okay, yeah, on the on the Electric Company.
Speaker 2: Spider Man was a recurring character on The Electric.
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, I do not remember. It didn't happen often
Speaker 1: there for the premiere of the Electric Company. It always
Speaker 1: made happy.
Speaker 2: He was occasionally a big bird as well, so he
Speaker 2: was definitely an icon, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Going to eighty one Lorraine Hutchins.
Speaker 2: Yes, groundbreaking bisexual activist. She was seventy seven.
Speaker 1: Co edited the anthology by any Other Name, helped bring
Speaker 1: by activism into the modern era.
Speaker 2: Yes, so safe to say she was a bi coon.
Speaker 1: A bi con. Yes. Yes. She also helped create the
Speaker 1: coalition that would later turn into Buynet USA and the
Speaker 1: Alliance of Multicultural Bisexuals.
Speaker 2: Which just sounds like my friend group in college.
Speaker 1: Right right, Rest in Power Shore seventy seven. Yes.
Speaker 2: Hiuki Tagawa passed away in early December. He was seventy five,
Speaker 2: probably best known for his role as Shang Sung in
Speaker 2: the Mortal Kombat World and you know, and he was
Speaker 2: also in the film Pearl Harbor. I mean he was.
Speaker 2: He was definitely a cool guy in Hollywood. And I
Speaker 2: was sad to learn that he passed away from complications
Speaker 2: of a stroke.
Speaker 1: Yes. And then in mid December, Yeah, Rob Reiner and
Speaker 1: his wife Michelle Singer, what a tragedy.
Speaker 2: Yes, they were taken from us.
Speaker 1: By all accounts, at the hand of their son. Yeah,
Speaker 1: addiction and mental health author critically important. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think we'll learn more more as time goes on.
Speaker 1: But what a sad, sad story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone has a brad Ryder story. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: because he brought us like our favorite movies.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, he was a storyteller and lived. You know what
Speaker 1: he believed in they both did. Oh hell yeah, big
Speaker 1: Player and marriage equality in California. Yea proposition, and you know,
Speaker 1: because he thought it was important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a lot smarter than his character on
Speaker 2: all in the family. But other than that, he was
Speaker 2: very much that like, stood by his beliefs, was very
Speaker 2: vocal about his beliefs and and and you know, had
Speaker 2: the courage of his convictions.
Speaker 1: But but what a what a storyteller, son of Carl Reiner,
Speaker 1: of course.
Speaker 2: But when I say, he brought us like our favorite movies,
Speaker 2: like Spinal Tap and a Few good Men and Misery
Speaker 2: when Harry met Sally, stand by me, Princess Bride.
Speaker 1: Shout forgive me for that one. A few good Men,
Speaker 1: Sleepless and Seattle. Yeah, like, oh my god, yep, yep,
Speaker 1: The Wolf of Wall Street was so many, so many films,
Speaker 1: so many films, and.
Speaker 2: I love he had one of my favorite parts in
Speaker 2: Bullets Over Broadway, which is my favorite Woody Allen film,
Speaker 2: in one of the few that I like, when Hayleen's
Speaker 2: out the window and.
Speaker 1: Goes, I'm all.
Speaker 2: So yes, rest in peace rather than Rob Brian or Michelleson.
Speaker 1: He was seventy eight and she was seventy parent mm
Speaker 1: and you know there are other children have to live
Speaker 1: with us and deal with this, and yeah, exactly, not
Speaker 1: entirely unheard of. I mean, you know, we haven't begun
Speaker 1: to feel the impact of you know, what DOGE did
Speaker 1: to mental health and addiction funding in this country, but
Speaker 1: we will. And because of that that, you know, just
Speaker 1: the ham handed way that money was taken away from
Speaker 1: critically important programs, we've not begun to see. And we
Speaker 1: will see more of this, not less of it. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: in this country, because that's just what we've become. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's something that affects literally everyone. You know,
Speaker 1: if it was my political party that was taking away funding,
Speaker 1: I would be screaming, right, you know, I would be
Speaker 1: screaming at my party. I would be you know, as
Speaker 1: angry as I am with the New Jersey State Legislature
Speaker 1: now for not codifying trans healthcare protections. But you know,
Speaker 1: we have that Speaker of the House, and you know
Speaker 1: they are what they are obviously, even though they made
Speaker 1: promises to us. So I would I, you know, just
Speaker 1: like I am angry with those Democrats who are cowards
Speaker 1: uh in the New Jersey State Legislature and and you know, uh,
Speaker 1: it is what it is, I guess, and their word,
Speaker 1: their word means very little at this point to me.
Speaker 1: That's how angry I would be at my party if
Speaker 1: you know they were responsible for DOSH and all of
Speaker 1: the funding that was just ripped away. Yeah, yeah, ripped away.
Speaker 1: So we'll see more of that's, not less of it
Speaker 1: unless we get our act together moving on. I have
Speaker 1: a lot of soap boxes today. I'm just saying, that's
Speaker 1: all right. Bridget Bardeaux who turned into a right wing bigot, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess maybe she wasn't biggo a. She advertised it
Speaker 1: later on.
Speaker 2: Which I did not realize until after she'd passed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she was also an animal rights advocate.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, so a lot of people didn't. But
Speaker 1: you know, I remember reading this way back.
Speaker 2: Because I remember I was like, oh, Bridgitte Bordeaux died
Speaker 2: and you were like and I was like what man,
Speaker 2: That's how I found out.
Speaker 1: She lost her mind. Yeah. She was ninety one, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: ninety one. Yeah. Isaiah Whitlock, Isaiah Whitlock died. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: in so much. Yes, frequently frequently worked with Spike Lee. Yes,
Speaker 1: and he was always in if you saw what's his name?
Speaker 1: Now I'm losing it. The two actors are almost always
Speaker 1: in the same film. Both in trem they were, but
Speaker 1: you know they're yeah, Wendell, Wendell Peers, Wendell Pears. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Frequently seen with Wendell Pearce was Isaiah Whitlock. He's they
Speaker 1: do lific, wonderful actor.
Speaker 2: They did spend a lot of time working.
Speaker 1: Yeah, seriously, you saw one, you saw the other seventy one.
Speaker 2: I always think of him in It was always in
Speaker 2: a Spike Lee film, but most often in the film
Speaker 2: Twenty fifth Hour, when his character would just go.
Speaker 1: She that's him, yup. Oh yeah. Yeah. Iconic, just iconic
Speaker 1: and such a talent and what a loss.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Carmen de Lava Loade passed. She did, I mean bound
Speaker 1: to happen that made me very sad. Ninety four, Yes,
Speaker 1: we should all have ninety four years.
Speaker 2: Yes, and explain who she was. December thirtieth. Carmen de
Speaker 2: Lavaadde she my god. Worked in theater and film and television.
Speaker 2: She worked with Alvin Ailey and Lena Horn and Agnes
Speaker 2: Demil and Harry Belafondi, Josephine Baker. She was married to
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Holder, the iconic Jeffrey Holder. Like and we saw
Speaker 2: a documentary of them a few years ago on Netflix.
Speaker 1: It might still be that.
Speaker 2: I don't know the name of it, but look their
Speaker 2: names up and just talking about their life together, their
Speaker 2: creative life together. And I did not realize how tall
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Holder was compared to how small Carmen de Lava
Speaker 2: LaDue was. So like when they would dance together, we
Speaker 2: just like throw her around. Oh yeah, it was just
Speaker 2: so lovely.
Speaker 1: They were marriage for fifty nine years. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And she had the most melodious name, Carmen de la Volte.
Speaker 2: I just love saying her name.
Speaker 1: Yep. She studied with Lester Horton. Yeah, in La she.
Speaker 2: Was one of the yes, like so many, she was
Speaker 2: a foundational presence in the school of Horton Technique or
Speaker 2: as most of us who have done it, I like
Speaker 2: to call it Hurton Technique. But yeah, she was a
Speaker 2: wonderful educator.
Speaker 1: She was just a American ballet theater, yes, dance theater
Speaker 1: of chap you name it.
Speaker 2: She's like just a major jewel in the crown of
Speaker 2: dance and performance and the arts and art. Carmen de
Speaker 2: la Bolague was she was that girl and then no
Speaker 2: other way to say it.
Speaker 1: She was just that girl. Yeah, lots and lots and
Speaker 1: lots of work. What a what a what a body
Speaker 1: of work? Yes? Yeah, rest in power.
Speaker 2: She is together again with her partner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that was a tribute I saw from a
Speaker 1: lot a lot of dancers, you know, on social media saying,
Speaker 1: you know, she is with her beloved jeff and.
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Holder has He has a dance work called Douglas,
Speaker 2: which I have decided is my favorite dance work period,
Speaker 2: full stop. And every year for Christmas I watch it
Speaker 2: as a present to myself, okay, because it's perfect.
Speaker 1: It has all of the things.
Speaker 2: So they were a fierce couple and they are together.
Speaker 1: Again, right.
Speaker 3: Bruce Crawford, Yes, Bruce Crawford who was a Madison Avenue
Speaker 3: like advertising powerhouse.
Speaker 2: He basically left advertising and went into managing the Metropolitan
Speaker 2: Opera House and revitalized the Lincoln Center, basically creating the
Speaker 2: foundation for so much wonderful and iconic art and performance
Speaker 2: that we've enjoyed as as Americans.
Speaker 1: It was ninety six, Yeah, yeah, ninety six. Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: I you know ninety six and TK Carter.
Speaker 2: Yes, most recently TK Carter passed away. This was yesterday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it came out sixty nine. Young. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2: In Uh, he's been in so many things that I love.
Speaker 1: Growing up, he was well, you showed me pictures of
Speaker 1: him older, and I did not recognize just from those pictures.
Speaker 2: I was having a hard time finding younger and I
Speaker 2: saw pictures.
Speaker 1: Of him young, and I know exactly who he was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had that face. I loved him.
Speaker 1: And then he became recognizable in the other pictures, but
Speaker 1: I just didn't right, It didn't click right away.
Speaker 2: He was a major character on the show Punky Brewster,
Speaker 2: which is my introduction to him. Then I realized that
Speaker 2: he was also in the original film The Thing, not
Speaker 2: the Original Thing, the John Carpenter iconic movie The Thing,
Speaker 2: and so many appearances in films and television, like I
Speaker 2: grew up with that man.
Speaker 1: Basically sixty nine young. Yeah, do we know why or
Speaker 1: how or has that not been really? I think last
Speaker 1: I saw there was.
Speaker 2: No cause of death, not immediately disclosed, but foul play
Speaker 2: is not expected, so right, yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're the ones we wrote down. They've been dropping
Speaker 1: like for lots for real, We've got we do have
Speaker 1: good news. Yes, despite the dumpster fire. I want to
Speaker 1: take a quick break before we get into it. Let's
Speaker 1: take a break and we will come back with good news.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back.
Speaker 2: Queer back, good news, good news, good news.
Speaker 1: All right. Amber Glynn is said to be the first
Speaker 1: out queer woman on the US Olympic figure skating team.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love that she.
Speaker 1: Is a she identifies as pan sexual. Yes. American figure
Speaker 1: skater made history at the twenty twenty six US Women's
Speaker 1: Figure Skating Championships when she not only beat out her competition,
Speaker 1: but secured a record breaking score that may land her
Speaker 1: on the US Olympic team. Yes, she's puised to score
Speaker 1: a spot on her first Olympic team. She is twenty six.
Speaker 2: Which would make her the oldest US Olympic women's single
Speaker 2: skater in nearly a century.
Speaker 1: Oh damn, really old. Yeah. Wow. She came out in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen in an interview with The Dallas Voice after
Speaker 1: she watched American ice dancer Karina Manta announced she is bisexual. Hey,
Speaker 1: I did not expect it to blow up in the
Speaker 1: way that it did. Yeah, well, we never do. I'm
Speaker 1: grateful because they got my message out there. I was
Speaker 1: able to represent a lot of people that are in skating,
Speaker 1: actually queer women. So we wish her success.
Speaker 2: Maybe twenty six is old because that's around the time
Speaker 2: when you joint start talking back to you, whether you
Speaker 2: like it or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean because I guess when you think about
Speaker 1: a lot of them, are you know, because they start
Speaker 1: so young. Yeah yeah, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen nineteen, right, so.
Speaker 2: They've probably been doing it like literally half their lives
Speaker 2: by this point.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, so ancient at twenty six. There you go.
Speaker 1: I think that's some shit. Go ahead.
Speaker 2: I put this in Good News just because her response
Speaker 2: brought me life. So the headline reads, AOC calls out
Speaker 2: pervert Jesse Waters after an invite to his show. Quote,
Speaker 2: he has sexually harassed me.
Speaker 1: Jesse Waters, she got an invitation. Would like to invite
Speaker 1: you on his show, the producer told her, asking if
Speaker 1: she'd consider making an appearance. He has sexualized me on
Speaker 1: his show. He has sexually harassed me on his show.
Speaker 1: She replied, he has engaged in horrific sexually exploitive rhetoric.
Speaker 1: The producer responded, that's not true. It is true, she
Speaker 1: snapped back, because he accused me of wanting to sleep
Speaker 1: with Stephen Miller, So why don't you tell me what
Speaker 1: you think is acceptable to tell a woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the video is awesome because, like she was being
Speaker 2: very matter of fact when she said that, she was like,
Speaker 2: you know, she said exactly what she said. He accused
Speaker 2: me of wanting to sleep with Steven Miller, and he
Speaker 2: was and he looked at her, that's not true, in
Speaker 2: that condescending way that they do. And she looked at him,
Speaker 2: so why don't you tell me what you think is
Speaker 2: acceptable to tell a woman? And then she gave him
Speaker 2: that facial expression that like, I'm not gonna say you
Speaker 2: got it, bitch, Now leave me to fuck alone. But
Speaker 2: that's what that look said, and then she turned and
Speaker 2: walked away and I just I love that woman so much.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, in something, civility just isn't cutting
Speaker 1: it mm hm. You know, there there is no nuance
Speaker 1: with these people anymore, there is no you know, And
Speaker 1: she's refreshing and she's cutting through a lot of bullshit.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the reasons so many people love her.
Speaker 2: And that's one of the reasons why all these mediocre
Speaker 2: as white men can't fucking stand of course, because of
Speaker 2: course she threatens them, because she's smarter than them. She
Speaker 2: actually knows and does her job. She can see right
Speaker 2: through their bullshit. She calls them on it, and she's
Speaker 2: cute and they have no chance with her, and they
Speaker 2: know it. Like it's that perfect blend.
Speaker 1: I love that shit, kind of love that because yeah
Speaker 1: and good and good.
Speaker 2: I love her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's kind of awesome, she really is. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that is what's cutting through you know, some of this,
Speaker 1: Like it makes headlines. God knows that people writing for
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsomber are making all kinds of headlines.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's a narrative they always try to put
Speaker 2: on her, like she had to like sleep with someone
Speaker 2: to get this, So she didn't sleep with someone, so
Speaker 2: she didn't get that.
Speaker 1: It's like, really though, yep, that's all we got, and
Speaker 1: yet we have all these absolute incompetence whose only qualification
Speaker 1: for that job? And I'm talking about the entire government
Speaker 1: right now that Trump is appointed. You know, they're only
Speaker 1: qualification is they're sick offense. That's it. That's it. Go
Speaker 1: down the list, Attorney General, mayas you know Kennedy, Like,
Speaker 1: these people are literally a joke and they're you know,
Speaker 1: not representing this country in any meaningful good way, losing
Speaker 1: goodwill around the world.
Speaker 2: Not only and not only are their jokes, but they're
Speaker 2: jokes that are proof that comedy is hard.
Speaker 1: Comedy is hard. Yeah, comedy is hard. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: I find it refreshing when they just call it what
Speaker 1: it is, which is another reason I love Zooran Mom.
Speaker 2: Donnie Yes who is now officially the mayor as of
Speaker 2: January first, he is kicking ass and taking names like
Speaker 2: he's just bringing all these fabulous people into his employ.
Speaker 1: Back when he was a state representative for the thirty
Speaker 1: sixth district, he backed the repeal of the walking while
Speaker 1: trans law that was a disproportionately used to arrest transgender women.
Speaker 1: He co sponsored the Gender Recognition Act, which made it
Speaker 1: easier for trans and non binary people to legally change
Speaker 1: their gender and allow the gender neutral X option. He
Speaker 1: also voted in favor of the state's Shield Law, which
Speaker 1: prevents patients and providers of gender firm and care in
Speaker 1: the state from being prosecuted by other states. These are
Speaker 1: the things we're trying to codify into law in the
Speaker 1: state of New Jersey. By the way, yeah, yeah, if
Speaker 1: if if our state legislature had a backbone and were
Speaker 1: as blue as they actually are. But anyway, I digress.
Speaker 1: While his campaign centered primarily on affordability, free buses, universal childcare,
Speaker 1: city on grocery stores, and a rent freeze on rent
Speaker 1: stabilized apartments, he also has several policies aimed at protecting
Speaker 1: and improving life for LGBTQ plus New Yorkers. And that
Speaker 1: was one of the things we loved, was, you know,
Speaker 1: his advertising looking back at the history of queer rights
Speaker 1: in New York. Yeah, you know, and how important they
Speaker 1: were and who was there and and you know the
Speaker 1: groundbreaking things that happened there, right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He promises to make New York a refuge a sanctuary
Speaker 2: city for LGBTQ plus people and recipients of gender firming care, YEP,
Speaker 2: which would prevent the release of information or the arrest
Speaker 2: and extradition of someone based on another state's court orders.
Speaker 1: That's very important. Yeah, Queer and trance people across the
Speaker 1: United States are facing an increasingly hostile political environment. His
Speaker 1: platform states New York City must be a refuge for
Speaker 1: lgbtqia plus people, but private institutions in our own city
Speaker 1: have already started capitulating to Trump's assault on trans rights. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the cost of living crisis confronting working class people across
Speaker 1: the city hits the lgbtqia plus community particularly hard, with
Speaker 1: higher rates of unemployment and homelessness than the rest of
Speaker 1: the city. Yeah, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: It's hard enough surviving in New York just under regular circumstances, Joe.
Speaker 1: They've pledged to invest sixty five million in health care
Speaker 1: facilities that provide gender firming care, which is protected for
Speaker 1: all ages under state law, in an effort to prevent
Speaker 1: them from illegally withholding the care based on orders from
Speaker 1: a private institution operating with a quarter billion dollar public subsidies.
Speaker 1: Should not have the ability to sell out young trans
Speaker 1: New Yorkers to the Trump administration. Amen and amen. Right,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened to when NYU Lango and decided
Speaker 1: to stop providing gender firm and care for trans use. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Bending soon after, other private and New York City hospitals
Speaker 1: also stopped providing necessary life saving health care for trans use.
Speaker 1: These decisions are in direct contradiction with New York state law. Yep. Yeah, good.
Speaker 1: He's so clear. And that's what I loved that Bernie
Speaker 1: Sanders swore him in. Yes, perfect, perfect, because that's the
Speaker 1: thing I've always loved about Bernie is he cuts right
Speaker 1: through it and explains things in a way that folks
Speaker 1: can understand. He tells it. It's not complicated because it
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be. Right. Know, the more rhetoric is involved,
Speaker 1: the more someone is picking your pocket generally right, and
Speaker 1: protecting their own interests over the greater interests. And you know,
Speaker 1: he cuts through all of that, and so does so
Speaker 1: does Mom, Donnie, and I love it. I love it. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a good day as far as I'm concerned in
Speaker 1: New York City. He is speaking with a force that
Speaker 1: I wish, you know, we had more New Jersey politicians
Speaker 1: speaking with well, because this is you know, we should
Speaker 1: be leading here, and in some ways we do and
Speaker 1: have in the past. But you know, all we got
Speaker 1: to do is take these executive orders and codify them.
Speaker 1: It's it's all written out for you all. You just
Speaker 1: got to get it out of committee and do what
Speaker 1: you said you were going to do. Right. I can't
Speaker 1: wait for them to ask me for a donation after
Speaker 1: if this doesn't go into law, I can't wait for it.
Speaker 2: Right. I love how he picked the trans rabbi for
Speaker 2: his transition team, Dine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, brilliant, brilliant because we know, the more voices that
Speaker 1: are involved, the better the policy that is created, the
Speaker 1: more inclusive it is, you know, the more it takes
Speaker 1: care of more people, more human beings.
Speaker 2: Again, out Lesbian is the Fire Department commission.
Speaker 1: I know, love that too.
Speaker 2: It's like it's almost like he's surrounding himself with people
Speaker 2: who are representative of the people who make up the city.
Speaker 1: Of New York, New York. He is that is correct,
Speaker 1: as it should as it should be, as it should be,
Speaker 1: and and there is clarity and leadership there exactly. I'm
Speaker 1: loving it so far and again, and here's the thing,
Speaker 1: here's the difference. If this this person winds up wrapped
Speaker 1: in scandal, I'll be screaming about it too, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is not some cult. This is you know, when
Speaker 1: I see good government, I like to call it out.
Speaker 1: But let me find out he's did once, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Right? And and no, then all bets
Speaker 1: are off. That's how this is supposed to work. It's
Speaker 1: like that whole thing with pristine files, old people accountable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit whose name is all? They
Speaker 1: burn him down, right, one of them.
Speaker 2: There might be Democrats and they're good.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well then to them, we should know about it, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what you know when you look at
Speaker 1: some of the things that Al Franken stepped down because
Speaker 1: of vague accusations. It was nothing. He was not convicted
Speaker 1: of crimes like Trump, but he stepped away from being
Speaker 1: a senator because.
Speaker 2: It would have been a distraction.
Speaker 1: But yeah, basically, and the JUDGB do, like we do,
Speaker 1: hold one another accountable, sometimes loudly and before all the
Speaker 1: facts are even in, because that's what good government and
Speaker 1: transparency is supposed to look like. Right, Unlike everything we're
Speaker 1: seeing right now, you know, the mud and the muck
Speaker 1: and the absolute corruption is so gross and disgusting. Agreed.
Speaker 1: You know, I just want to mention, you know, there
Speaker 1: was there was an incident with the Christian uh Fuscuarana,
Speaker 1: who ran Garden City quality ablely and well for for
Speaker 1: quite some time. Apparently, you know, it looks like kind
Speaker 1: of lost it a little bit with a foster child,
Speaker 1: smacked them or hit them. Something happened, and you know
Speaker 1: it came to light. He resigned immediately. Uh you know
Speaker 1: the organization is, you know, really looking to have transparency
Speaker 1: and accountability at all the time. You know, immediately said
Speaker 1: violence of any kind not okay, right, that's how we.
Speaker 2: Do right, didn't cover it up, didn't say that's not
Speaker 2: what happened.
Speaker 1: Didn't say look over there point being how many parents. No,
Speaker 1: you know, there are moments where we just lose it.
Speaker 1: There are moments, and it doesn't always result in physical violence,
Speaker 1: of course, and should not we But I mean I
Speaker 1: was raised with people who hit me randomly, and the
Speaker 1: neighbors were allowed to fucking hit me. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: anybody could smack you across them like that's just the
Speaker 1: world we all grew up in. So but look at
Speaker 1: the accountability we hold so often versus this no accountability. No,
Speaker 1: you know, when we're going to get into what just
Speaker 1: happened in Minneapolis, it's upside down. It's so upside down. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, our friend Natalie is in London right now,
Speaker 1: and I just saw a social media post this morning saying.
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid here right right, Yeah, let's keep going.
Speaker 1: This is good news. God damn it, where are we?
Speaker 2: So this is from England, but apparently a pole comes
Speaker 2: out that shows that almost no one is complaining about
Speaker 2: trans women and women's spaces.
Speaker 1: That is true, right, that is true.
Speaker 2: It's a document. It's a manufactured controversy, not a documented crisis. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: we've been fucking saying absolutely terfism. All of it is manufactured,
Speaker 2: and it's making many CIS women less safe.
Speaker 1: Yeah. If you know CIS women who are tend toward
Speaker 1: masculine or or don't you know, have this sense of femininity,
Speaker 1: what am I trying to say? You know, are not
Speaker 1: deemed idealized, ideal or acceptable are being harassed. They're paying
Speaker 1: the price for this nonsense. Right, Yeah, No, nobody has
Speaker 1: I mean, knock wood, but I've never had an issue
Speaker 1: in a ladiess room never never, And and you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know any trans women who are disrespectful in
Speaker 1: those single se sex spaces. We dear God, we work
Speaker 1: hard to be honored to be in them, do you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yeah, we go through a lot
Speaker 1: to access those spaces where we are safe, and you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: So I mean, okay, we're doing we're doing these studies
Speaker 1: anyway to prove what we've been, what we know is true.
Speaker 1: So yeah, bringing on. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Data from hundreds of public bodies in England shows only
Speaker 2: four complaints about transgender women and women's single sex spaces
Speaker 2: over a period of three years.
Speaker 1: Right, and they were probably politically motivated TERFs Right.
Speaker 2: It's according to advocacy group Translucent, as Scene mag reports.
Speaker 1: This is from January third.
Speaker 2: The organization released the results of six separate investigations conducted
Speaker 2: in recent years between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: and this is including hospitals, domestic violent shelters, local authorities
Speaker 2: that maintain pub restrooms and changing facilities to see how
Speaker 2: many official complaints about trans women and women only spaces
Speaker 2: have been documented, and the investigation specifically examined whether cisgender women,
Speaker 2: patients or service users had formally objected to sharing spaces
Speaker 2: with trans women, and so in that whole time.
Speaker 1: Four right, four right? So I know, yeah, across local
Speaker 1: authority toilets, hospital wards, and domestic abuse refuges, the evidence
Speaker 1: demonstrates the political and media rhetoric about trans women threatening
Speaker 1: women in single sex spaces is unsupported Yeah, by actual complaints.
Speaker 1: No shit, I mean, you know the downsiders, are they
Speaker 1: going to start trying to make more complaints to manufacture
Speaker 1: more stuff? But you know, truth always comes to light.
Speaker 1: The truth always comes to light. The ship that they
Speaker 1: manufacture gets shown for what it is almost always right.
Speaker 1: Of forty usable responses from authorities that maintain public toilets
Speaker 1: and changing facilities at public pools and leisure centers, Translucent
Speaker 1: found no reported complaints about trans women in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, the organization found only two complaints
Speaker 1: documented by the forty seven authorities they surveyed, one about policy,
Speaker 1: one based on perception rather than confirmed identity. So that's
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, right, You know, they perceive someone
Speaker 1: as trans and start shit, not because the person is
Speaker 1: doing anything but existing, right when it came to hospital wards.
Speaker 1: FOI requests to one hundred and two found an EHS
Speaker 1: Foundation trust between April twenty twenty and June twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two turned up no complaints from cis gender women patients
Speaker 1: about the presence of a trans woman on their ward. Subsequently,
Speaker 1: out of one hundred and fifty seven substitutive responses from
Speaker 1: NHS trusts to a December twenty twenty three survey, only
Speaker 1: one reported an incident that was not true. It is serious,
Speaker 1: according to the report. As for domestic abuse refuges, they
Speaker 1: note that a May twenty twenty four Women's Aid survey
Speaker 1: on single sex services and policies received only a twenty
Speaker 1: three point seven percent response rate, suggesting a lack of
Speaker 1: a problem. The group's own research, according to the report,
Speaker 1: has found that the domestic abuse refuge sectors established risk
Speaker 1: assessment procedures. Mixed models combining communal refuges with independent living models,
Speaker 1: and national placement systems enable services to accommodate trans women
Speaker 1: without compromising other residents' safety. Whatever that means. They as
Speaker 1: if they would, but you know, I mean in the
Speaker 1: same way that the organization I worked for generally housed
Speaker 1: trans women in the private rooms when possible. Okay, I'd
Speaker 1: rather have a private room, thanks, right, But claims of
Speaker 1: trans women invading refuges are contradicted by sector practices, which
Speaker 1: focus on individual risk assessment rather than blanket exclusions. Where
Speaker 1: exclusion occurs, it typically reflects the stance of explicitly trans
Speaker 1: hostile providers, rather than any pattern of problematic behavior by
Speaker 1: trans women seeking refuge from violence. Exactly. Yeah, they talked
Speaker 1: to a whole lot of people. This was pretty exhaustive.
Speaker 1: It's a manufactured controversy, not a documented crisis, which is
Speaker 1: what we keep saying. What we keep saying, We just
Speaker 1: want to exist, right, Just leave us alone. You don't
Speaker 1: you know, you may never understand me. I don't actually
Speaker 1: give a fuck. Leave me alone. It doesn't I'm leaving
Speaker 1: you alone. Leave me alone. Right, Yeah, So what else
Speaker 1: we got? Interestingly, the former New York City mayor Eric
Speaker 1: Adams gave trans people a huge gift just before he
Speaker 1: left office. This was, you know, tried to cozy up
Speaker 1: to the Trump administration and denounced trans students using city
Speaker 1: public school bathrooms, et cetera. But he allocated two million
Speaker 1: dollars in emergency funds to trans organizations suffering in the
Speaker 1: wake of sweeping federal aid cuts. Right on his way
Speaker 1: out the door, his final day and office was December
Speaker 1: thirty first, And you know what, cool, right, that was
Speaker 1: kind of cool.
Speaker 2: It's a lot better than what the CIS has normally
Speaker 2: do when the way out the door.
Speaker 1: We saw a need after federal budget cuts, and we
Speaker 1: are responding to it. Randy Mastro, first Deputy mayor for Adams,
Speaker 1: said the City Sealth Department will administer the emergency funds
Speaker 1: up to ninety two thousand awarded to each of roughly
Speaker 1: twenty community based organizations. They must be trans gender, nonconforming
Speaker 1: or non binary the applicants, and the money will go
Speaker 1: to nonprofits offering healthcare, housing, legal advocacy, community building, and
Speaker 1: crisis response services. Nice yeah, nice, Yeah. I mean he
Speaker 1: did some some messed up stuff, but all right, I'll
Speaker 1: take it as a parting gift, right, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he he was kind of all over the place with things.
Speaker 1: But you know, in the end, good because that's what
Speaker 1: needs to happen wherever possible is we've got to make
Speaker 1: up for federal funds lost, you know, right until we
Speaker 1: have the same government again, if that ever happens fingers cross,
Speaker 1: fingers crossed because Jesus dear one, Rachel Harlowe was profiled
Speaker 1: in the Inquirer. I did think we mentioned this, but anyway, we.
Speaker 2: Mentioned that it was coming okay that we saw her
Speaker 2: when yeah, we ran into Rachel.
Speaker 1: So Rachel, good God. She's an icon in Philadelphia. She's
Speaker 1: a trans woman who is just a very well known
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia with a very storied life profiled in the
Speaker 1: film The Queen, the documentary where she famously won that
Speaker 1: competition as a young person, and you know, she went
Speaker 1: on to just be very well known, very famously had
Speaker 1: an affair with Jack Kelly, Grace Kelly's brother that is
Speaker 1: apparently being profile being that story is being told in
Speaker 1: a movie, yes, that they're working on now. There's a
Speaker 1: book coming out, And they did a profile in The
Speaker 1: Inquirre talking about her life and it was really well done.
Speaker 1: Worth looking for. Yeah, good to see and it really
Speaker 1: kind of points to she was very well known in
Speaker 1: Philadelphia and loved, ye beloved. You know, she had a
Speaker 1: really cool nightclub and people went to find her and
Speaker 1: her and be around her, and she was glamorous and
Speaker 1: she was you know all that and that was back then, right,
Speaker 1: you know, back then she was an it girl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And and absolutely was you know, what we would refer
Speaker 1: to as a doll god. But beyond that was you know,
Speaker 1: if you talk to trans elders, at least in Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, in some ways it was better then.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, more about being ignored than about
Speaker 1: being harassed. And certainly nobody was making policy against us, right,
Speaker 1: you know, and and and lying about.
Speaker 2: Us worst case scenario, nobody was talking.
Speaker 1: They left us alone, you know, as freaks. But whatever,
Speaker 1: but not always. And again she was, you know, an
Speaker 1: example of someone who really was well known and well loved.
Speaker 1: She's lived quietly now for a number of years, but
Speaker 1: we do run into fairly often in the city, and
Speaker 1: it was good to see it because we did run
Speaker 1: into the day that they did the photo shoot for
Speaker 1: the Inquire story. It came out. It's great, it's worth reading.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll link to it in the show notes.
Speaker 1: Yes please. A federal judge blocked a gender affirming care
Speaker 1: ban for trans inmates in Georgia that has been in
Speaker 1: effect for several months. Judge Victoria Calvert agreed with the
Speaker 1: plaintiffs that the blanket band violated these Amendment, which bars
Speaker 1: cruel and unusual punishment. Right, this is as it should be.
Speaker 1: So many of us have been working for and on
Speaker 1: behalf of incarcerated trans women who were seldom treated with
Speaker 1: respect or human and as humans. Well exactly, the court
Speaker 1: finds that there is no genuine dispute a fact that
Speaker 1: gender dysury is a serious medical need. Plaintiffs, through their experts,
Speaker 1: remember those, have presented evidence that a blanket ban on
Speaker 1: hormone therapy constitutes grossly inadequate care for gender dysphoya and
Speaker 1: risks imminent injury. No shit. Of course, the bill was
Speaker 1: signed into law by Governor Brian Kemp, a Republican, obviously
Speaker 1: prohibiting state funds and resources from being used to provide
Speaker 1: gender firming care to inmates injured to prisons. That even
Speaker 1: includes HRT, as well as sexual assignment surgeries or any
Speaker 1: other surgical procedures that are performed for the purpose of
Speaker 1: altering primary or secondary sexual characteristics, and even cosmetic procedures
Speaker 1: or prosthetics intended to alter the appearance of primary second
Speaker 1: sexual characteristics. They're so ignorant. Yeah, yeah. Five plaintiffs filed
Speaker 1: a lawsuit in August after it took effect in July,
Speaker 1: arguing that it constituted cruel and unusual punishment, which is
Speaker 1: absolutely true. It also claimed it violated the Equal Protection Clause,
Speaker 1: which it does. Oh and by the way, HRT and
Speaker 1: other gender firming care treatments were not banned under the
Speaker 1: bill for all inmates, only those who were trans. Of course,
Speaker 1: it also prohibited them from paying for the care themselves
Speaker 1: while they were incarcerated, so they couldn't even have access
Speaker 1: even if they paid for it. That is cool and unusual.
Speaker 1: We would never allow a state to decide that people
Speaker 1: in prison with diabetes should be cut off of insulin
Speaker 1: just because the state didn't want to pay for it anymore,
Speaker 1: said Celine Zoo, a staff attorney for the Center for
Speaker 1: Constitutional Rights, which is representing the plaintiffs. So why would
Speaker 1: we allow Georgia to cut off medically required care for
Speaker 1: people with a similarly serious diagnosis of gender dysphoria? Thank
Speaker 1: you Yeah, it was a blanket ban override the opinions
Speaker 1: of judges and doctors and even the Georgia Department of Corrections,
Speaker 1: all of whom previously acknowledged that gender affirming care is
Speaker 1: medically necessary for incarcerated trans people. Damn it. Yes and amen.
Speaker 1: You know the judge's ruling makes it clear not every
Speaker 1: inmate is entitled to gender firming care, but it puts
Speaker 1: those decisions back in the hands of medical professionals and
Speaker 1: the patients, rather than having the legislature make medical decisions
Speaker 1: for trans people. Thank you, thank you. Right, yeah and good.
Speaker 1: Of course the Department of Corrections filed a notice of appeal,
Speaker 1: So I guess we'll say, I guess we'll say where
Speaker 1: it all lands. But yeah, we do know that it
Speaker 1: is life saving and it is cruel inhuman to deny
Speaker 1: that care. Indeed, just because someone is incarcerated so accounted
Speaker 1: as a woman and accounted as good news. Definitely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: There was a lot suit in Ohio and November. At
Speaker 1: the end of November, gay student sues Catholic school for
Speaker 1: failing to stop bullying. The lawsuit alleges administrators failed to
Speaker 1: stop football players from harassing him on campus and off.
Speaker 1: A gay former student at a Catholic high school has
Speaker 1: filed a federal lawsuit accusing administrators of ignoring relentless bullying
Speaker 1: and harassment by members of the school's storied football team.
Speaker 1: The lawsuit filed by a student identified as grandson Rudolph
Speaker 1: and his legal guardian, grandmother. Rudolph, alleges that administrators shielded
Speaker 1: football players from discipline, prioritizing their protection over the safety
Speaker 1: of other students. Filed in U S District Court for
Speaker 1: the Northern District of Ohio, the suit names Ursuline High
Speaker 1: School Assistant Principal Margaret de Moore and the Catholic Diocese
Speaker 1: of Youngstown as defendants. I wholeheartedly believe that happened. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was an now gay freshman during the two three
Speaker 1: twenty four school year. He endured daily abuse from football players,
Speaker 1: including homophobic slurs, physical intimidation, having food thrown at him
Speaker 1: hard enough to leave a visible red mark, and the
Speaker 1: mistreatment continued beyond school grounds. Yep. Andy was a freshman
Speaker 1: she yep. The filing also a llegis at a religious
Speaker 1: education teacher, Nanette Jacobs, joined in the abuse by making
Speaker 1: comments about the student's appearance. I believe that too. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Other teachers witnessed the behavior but took no meaningful action
Speaker 1: to stop it despite his multiple complaints. Yes, I believe
Speaker 1: that too. Been there, been there, same Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: wasn't out as anything you couldn't be out when I
Speaker 1: was in school. It was just the idea of yep,
Speaker 1: which is what we're returning back to by celebrating all.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? This is like I said,
Speaker 1: I have seen this movie so many times. Uh huh,
Speaker 1: as have you? Yep? Yeah. The grandmother made twenty calls
Speaker 1: to the school over an eleven week span without any resolution.
Speaker 1: One reported incident Adam McDonald's involved football players mocking both
Speaker 1: the student and his grandmother. Yep. When she brought the
Speaker 1: incident to school staff, including head football coach Daniel Reardon,
Speaker 1: she was met with hostility and received no help. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 1: As a result of an ongoing abuse and the schools
Speaker 1: in action, the grandson transferred to another school. He is
Speaker 1: now and weekly counseling, expected to continue receiving mental health support.
Speaker 1: Good good, I wish I had. Then the school declined
Speaker 1: a comment citing the pending lawsuit. Of course they did.
Speaker 1: It's the third federal lawsuit accusing this high school and
Speaker 1: several administrators and coaches of ignoring repeated reports of bullying, harassment,
Speaker 1: and assault.
Speaker 2: Shocker third yeah, yeah, I'm not shah.
Speaker 1: There is an attorney representing all three plaintiffs. Says additional
Speaker 1: lawsuits may be filed as more victims and witnesses come forward.
Speaker 1: Get them you know what, Yeah, because money seems to
Speaker 1: be the only thing they understand period. But you know
Speaker 1: it does leave them work god growing, you.
Speaker 2: Know, because literal and figuratively.
Speaker 1: Exactly, because the idea is you deserve to be treated
Speaker 1: this way because of who you are, and as if
Speaker 1: we choose to be who we are, as if like,
Speaker 1: this is absolutely a choice that this person is. Okay,
Speaker 1: the only difference is, you know, we, as queer people,
Speaker 1: said it was important to come out, and so as
Speaker 1: kids come out early and earlier, it is our job
Speaker 1: to protect them wherever and whenever we can, because yep,
Speaker 1: we said it would be safe. We thought it would
Speaker 1: by now. We thought this would be a better world
Speaker 1: for you know, teens. For five minutes it felt like
Speaker 1: it was going now way, yeah, it did, it did.
Speaker 1: But you know, that's why it's really important to keep going.
Speaker 1: That's why I mentioned that particular story because it's important
Speaker 1: and good, good, keep coming forward, keep shining a light
Speaker 1: on you know, the bullies.
Speaker 2: I kind of want to talk about the the trans
Speaker 2: woman who recorded her surgeons.
Speaker 1: Yes, let's do that. This was early in December, the
Speaker 1: story broke about a trans woman who secretly recorded her
Speaker 1: doctor during cancer surgery. This story, I love the story.
Speaker 1: Jennifer Capasso has endured a lot of hate while undergoing
Speaker 1: care at one of the world's best cancer hospitals. She
Speaker 1: is a forty two year old transgender woman with stage
Speaker 1: four rectal cancer. She filed a discrimination lawsuit against the
Speaker 1: Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in New York City after
Speaker 1: she secretly recorded her surgical team allegedly making transphoba comments
Speaker 1: about her. Of course, they denied her accusations and said
Speaker 1: her recording violated worker privacy. Excuse me, yeah, so let's
Speaker 1: not talk about the behavior, right yeah. Operating room staff
Speaker 1: preparing to remove her malignant lung tumor said that she
Speaker 1: had man parts, referring to her and her trans partner
Speaker 1: as men, and said that being trans was not right
Speaker 1: and doesn't make sense. According to The New York.
Speaker 2: Times, how the fuck did y'all get this job?
Speaker 1: I know, she said. During the March seventh procedure, an
Speaker 1: operating room nurse told a hospital administrator to change Capasa's
Speaker 1: sex and her patient records from female to male. She
Speaker 1: said this incorrect gender designation remained on her medical records
Speaker 1: until last January. She recorded the alleged comments through her phone,
Speaker 1: which she placed in a nearby handbag during the procedure.
Speaker 1: She also claimed that her co rectal surgeon misgendered her
Speaker 1: during a June twenty twenty one procedure. Surgeon's behavior made
Speaker 1: her feel unsafe and humiliated with heightened gender dysphoria. If true,
Speaker 1: the hospital's actions would violate New York City's LGBTQ Healthcare
Speaker 1: Bill of Rights, which requires healthcare workers to recognize a
Speaker 1: firm and document a patient's designated name and pronounce in
Speaker 1: medical records. The lawyer's claim the recording was largely inaudible,
Speaker 1: making it impossible to ascertain the speakers or the full
Speaker 1: context of their discussion. This is the lawyer speak. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: This is a lawyer speak. The secret recording captured portions
Speaker 1: of a discussion that occurred during surgery while plaintiff was
Speaker 1: under anesthesia, in which staff members discussed plaintiff's transgender status,
Speaker 1: with every reasonable expectation that plaintiffs would not hear the.
Speaker 2: Discussion, right, It's not possible to hear who's speaking, you know,
Speaker 2: one in her because she's under anesthesia, So anybody else
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 1: Room reasonable expectators. So because she couldn't hear them, it
Speaker 1: was okay for them to be assholes and say whatever
Speaker 1: they want to say. Huh. A third of trans people
Speaker 1: reported negative experiences with health care providers, including verbal harassment
Speaker 1: or a refusal of care, according to the twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: US Transgender Survey. A twenty nineteen study in the Journal
Speaker 1: of Clinical Oncology found eighty three percent of oncologists said
Speaker 1: they wanted to learn more about caring for transpatients. Only
Speaker 1: thirty seven percent felt they knew enough to adequately care
Speaker 1: for trans people as whole. Agreed. Cabasa said she continues
Speaker 1: to receive care there because it's one of the world's
Speaker 1: best cancer hospitals. And I don't blame her, and I
Speaker 1: get it, but why do we have to be humiliated
Speaker 1: in the process that part? You were healthcare workers. You know,
Speaker 1: if anyone should know and have access to information, it
Speaker 1: is a healthcare professional. First, do no harm? Right, Well,
Speaker 1: they weren't doing harm because she was you know, she
Speaker 1: was under so I and you were doing harm to
Speaker 1: everyone in the room because that's what you support. And
Speaker 1: everyone there who didn't correct you when you were saying
Speaker 1: you're ugly shit right, you're all complicit.
Speaker 2: So I had multiple feelings about this, and I talked
Speaker 2: to you about this when I put this on here,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to save it for the podcast. So
Speaker 2: I love that she was smart enough to do this,
Speaker 2: to put a recorder in her purse. And I guess
Speaker 2: the lizard part of my brain is like, damn. Part
Speaker 2: of me wishes that we as the public didn't know
Speaker 2: about this, only because I would love for more people
Speaker 2: to do this so we could find out a whider,
Speaker 2: like a whier swath of what is going on in
Speaker 2: the operating room.
Speaker 1: Okay, well yeah you said that, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck, dude, Well, only because she's got stage
Speaker 1: four cancer, you know, her staying quiet only nothing happens.
Speaker 1: If nothing happens.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I stay quiet. I'm saying, my whole thing.
Speaker 1: I still record the shit. They can still do it.
Speaker 2: My whole thing is now I'm not saying don't record.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, part of me is like, now
Speaker 2: that it's public that she did this, they're going to
Speaker 2: start covering their tracks more and before more people can
Speaker 2: get to do.
Speaker 1: This, maybe I doubt it. You're assuming they'll put effort
Speaker 1: unto it. This is true, they don't. They refuse us
Speaker 1: care at the door, Charles. In many places in this
Speaker 1: country they just flat out won't take care of us,
Speaker 1: and in states in this Union they're allowed to do that.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, we don't go to Florida because I would
Speaker 1: like the EMTs to have to like resuscitate me.
Speaker 2: I just want more of these people to get caught
Speaker 2: with their pants down on this ship, is all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that that could happen, and this may
Speaker 1: be the start of that. And I want this to
Speaker 1: put a chill up their spines. Definitely. I want them
Speaker 1: to think twice about the ways they talk about us
Speaker 1: in providing US healthcare. I want more education out there
Speaker 1: because if anyone, I mean, you know, and I am
Speaker 1: spoiled because I finally got gender affirming care and found
Speaker 1: out what it could be right to be respected, to
Speaker 1: be treated with dignity in a medical office, to be
Speaker 1: taken care of. I don't have all the horror stories,
Speaker 1: but boy do my friends, Boy do they have horror
Speaker 1: stories of being misgendered, of being made the brunt of
Speaker 1: a joke in a medical office, of having to fight
Speaker 1: with the insurance companies over and over and over again
Speaker 1: because they have the correct gender marker, but then they
Speaker 1: can't get the correct care for their bodies, right, because
Speaker 1: we hold to the letter of it, not the spirit.
Speaker 1: So I'm perfectly good with this coming to light, and
Speaker 1: I think it's in and it came to light at
Speaker 1: a prestigious hospital where maybe they'll fucking do something about it.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll do something. I mean, I hear, I see
Speaker 1: what their lawyers are already doing, and it's just it's repugnant, right,
Speaker 1: Instead of saying, boy, this is a chance for education, boy,
Speaker 1: we need to really address this when you talk about
Speaker 1: what respect looks like and keep your shit to yourself
Speaker 1: and provide medical care. That's what you're there to do. Period.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I understood what you're saying, but it doesn't look at
Speaker 1: the larger picture. You're saying, there's a larger picture, and
Speaker 1: we would gather more evidence. We already have the evidence.
Speaker 1: We live the evidence every fucking day. We know what's happening.
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's called once or a hundred times.
Speaker 1: It's unlikely to make a big difference, but I'd rather
Speaker 1: see it brought to light fair than not when policy
Speaker 1: is going in the opposite direction. And even states like
Speaker 1: New Jersey refused to codify executive orders into law like
Speaker 1: they promised. Well, you know, even in those situations, right,
Speaker 1: it's not getting better. It's in so many ways it's
Speaker 1: getting worse because they're they're trying to make it law
Speaker 1: against all decency, humanity, and common sense to mistreat us.
Speaker 1: This makes it a little bit black and white, like
Speaker 1: are you okay with this? Really? Is this okay? Right?
Speaker 1: They're talking about me this way? What are they saying
Speaker 1: about you while you're under well m And wouldn't it
Speaker 1: be interesting if some sists people started doing it right?
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's it's not okay, and it's disrespectful
Speaker 1: and we need to treat one another better. I'm you
Speaker 1: know she I'm I'm glad she came forward.
Speaker 2: I mean, I am too.
Speaker 1: And of course this benefits if anyone folks in the future,
Speaker 1: more than it ever benefits are right, because she's got
Speaker 1: to listen to lawyers, you know, critique her and say,
Speaker 1: you know, how she was wrong and all this other bullshit.
Speaker 2: I think it was brilliant the problem.
Speaker 1: I think it was brilliant for to do it so
Speaker 1: because you can tell when things are going and maybe
Speaker 1: they're they're at least a little more afraid of her now,
Speaker 1: you know, as they should be. Just provide the care without.
Speaker 1: We don't need the commentary.
Speaker 2: No one does, No one fucking does.
Speaker 1: Right, let's take a break and we'll be right back. Okay,
Speaker 1: and we are back. We're back. It's time were our
Speaker 1: favorite segment, which we like to call people taking pleasure.
Speaker 1: And so I'll let you start this off because I
Speaker 1: think you take more joy even than I do. Chaw.
Speaker 1: So this just came out last week, uh famously ex gay.
Speaker 1: There is no such thing as an X gay. Just
Speaker 1: let's just yeah, that's that's why. That's what you're going
Speaker 1: to see, a unicorn literally walking down Hollywood Boulevard before
Speaker 1: you see someone who's actually before you find yes, an
Speaker 1: ex gay.
Speaker 2: So Donnie m practicing yes.
Speaker 1: Okay, and quietly practicing gays like this.
Speaker 2: One, Donnie McClerkin who thinks considers himself to be an
Speaker 2: ex gay.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what that's what she's trying to sell.
Speaker 2: Anyway exactly was recently accused of sexual assault by another.
Speaker 1: Man, sexually assaulting yet another man.
Speaker 4: Yes, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: The gentleman in questions name is Giseppe Corletto, who said
Speaker 2: that McClerkin groped and raped him. McClerkin denies the allegation.
Speaker 1: Of course he does in the name of Jesus right,
Speaker 1: So of course we are not taking pleasure in the
Speaker 1: fact that this man was assaulted at all.
Speaker 2: But the whole point being. Donnie McClurkin has spent so
Speaker 2: much of his career as a preacher preaching about the
Speaker 2: virtues of praying away the gayness, which is not a
Speaker 2: thing never has worked. In fact, I was so upset
Speaker 2: to find out that the one song of his that
Speaker 2: I like, we fall down, that's what it's about. You
Speaker 2: fall down, we get up a saying is just a
Speaker 2: sinner who fell down, then got up and then got
Speaker 2: on his knees again.
Speaker 1: Wait, my bad, you know uh I this this just
Speaker 1: reminds me of something our friend Lisa reposted from Them,
Speaker 1: where gospel singer Yolanda Adams said of LGBTQ plus people,
Speaker 1: God is not surprised by anyone He created yep. I
Speaker 1: just saw thank you, yeah, thank you, and she said, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why people can't just get this through
Speaker 1: their heads. She was at our wedding, by the way.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, what the thank you? But I'm just I
Speaker 1: just saw that this morning, and it's like the contrast
Speaker 1: between this and McClerkin saying, yeah, you can pray it away.
Speaker 1: It's satan, No, honey, it's not.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, Corletto said. He was twenty one when he
Speaker 2: first attended services at mclerkin's church on Long Island in
Speaker 2: two thousand and three. He was motivated by reading mcclerkin's autobiography,
Speaker 2: in which the singer said his religious faith helped him
Speaker 2: overcome the quote unquote curse of being gay. Yepes At
Speaker 2: the service, mclerkin quote talked about being raped as a child,
Speaker 2: which resonated with me because that's similar to my story,
Speaker 2: corletto said. McClerkin claimed the abuse made him gay. Corletto
Speaker 2: met McClerkin after the event, and the two became friends.
Speaker 2: McClerkin hired him as his assistant. H Corletto first saw
Speaker 2: McClerkin as a mentor. Mm hmm, here we go. But
Speaker 2: soon McClerkin began to grope Corletto as they prayed together
Speaker 2: for Corletto to be cured of homosexuality.
Speaker 1: I have read this book.
Speaker 2: God couldn't even get through the prayer for Jesus to
Speaker 2: take it away, as it supposedly already did him before
Speaker 2: he starts being all homosexual.
Speaker 1: It also occurred during services at his Acting Faith church,
Speaker 1: according to the suit, and he further religes McClerkin raped him. Yeah. Ah, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised, because you know, a lot of shit
Speaker 1: happens with all of this repression right just look around people,
Speaker 1: my god. Corletta tried to quit his job, but mcclarkin
Speaker 1: used guilt to persuade him to stay. He finally took
Speaker 1: a position with an airline in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: Mclarkin continued to contact him and in twenty thirteen sexually
Speaker 1: assaulted him in a hotel room in Niagara Falls. Allegedly
Speaker 1: right after that the city ledges. Mclarkin sent Corletto an
Speaker 1: email saying, I am the actual epitome of a desperate,
Speaker 1: dirty old man pawning and groping a young man who
Speaker 1: is just looking for a friendship and close plutonic, platonic
Speaker 1: relationship with someone he wants looks too for help, guidance
Speaker 1: and spirituality. Uh huh. He attempted to take his life
Speaker 1: after the incident, then returned to mcclarkin's church for a
Speaker 1: brief period. He soon decided to cut mcclarkin out of
Speaker 1: his life good. He discovered the twenty thirteen email last year,
Speaker 1: and that convinced him. I didn't make this up. I
Speaker 1: wasn't crazy. I felt vindicated in some ways. He's literally
Speaker 1: admitting to his guilt. He has now embraced his sexuality
Speaker 1: and stopped trying to change it. Good for you, His
Speaker 1: lawyer said. Mcclarkin took advantage of his client who was
Speaker 1: confused and had problems accepting his sexuality coupled with his
Speaker 1: religious beliefs. And that's what they feed on. By claiming
Speaker 1: that they're not that anymore, that's what they feed on.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way, Yeah, And of course his
Speaker 1: attorney is denying it all. They grossly mischaracterized interactions which occurred. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I am glad that this person has accepted themselves
Speaker 2: as they are. I hope that they can find some
Speaker 2: peace after what had happened to him, and I just
Speaker 2: need Donny McClerkin to like do the same for himself,
Speaker 2: because it's not cute, you know, it was. It's one
Speaker 2: thing when you were just lying to yourself and acting
Speaker 2: like we can't see you, But now you're harmed. You're
Speaker 2: directly harming other people and we see that too, And
Speaker 2: now you're going to have to come up off some
Speaker 2: money and possibly.
Speaker 1: Go to jail.
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, if God don't make no mistakes.
Speaker 1: Then you being gay is right on, Brian hun. But
Speaker 1: you know, when it's not bad. The self loathing is
Speaker 1: bad enough. God knows and runs so deeply in our communities.
Speaker 1: That's bad enough. But then when what is vile beyond
Speaker 1: words is taking that and realizing you can turn a
Speaker 1: profit with it, yep, realizing that you can create victims, yep,
Speaker 1: that you know you can? Yeah, fuck around, And it
Speaker 1: all is rooted in self loathing. It all is rooted
Speaker 1: in you know, ridiculous attitudes about homosexuality and about you know, femininity,
Speaker 1: all the things, all the things, and looks like a
Speaker 1: chicken coming home to roost me. But yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: we'll see what it plays out.
Speaker 2: But my whole thing is always. If you want proof
Speaker 2: that homosexuality is part of God's design, just look at
Speaker 2: the placement of the prostate period.
Speaker 1: That's all true, true, you know. Yeah, I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: can't help but feel like they feels like it makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yes, the shod and for it is on Donnie mclarkin's partner.
Speaker 1: This poor man's absolutely and I hope he gets paid.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: I hope the poor man gets paid and gets vindicated.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'd like to see mcclarkin finally disgraced
Speaker 1: and go away or just admit who you are, right,
Speaker 1: admit I just you know, I've.
Speaker 2: Said so many times to certain individuals. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: you ever have to actually suck a dick.
Speaker 1: Just admit you want to. You will feel so much better.
Speaker 1: And you know, and really what disgusts me is this
Speaker 1: idea that sexual assault made me get No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: It never did, it never will. I know plenty of
Speaker 1: straight men who were sexually assaulted, you know, and otherwise
Speaker 1: when they were young. Didn't make them gay. Nope, fucked
Speaker 1: them up right, didn't make them gay.
Speaker 2: Right if you ended up if you were gay as well.
Speaker 1: If you happen to be gay and that was what
Speaker 1: they smelled or by and that is what they smelled.
Speaker 1: That is a different issue. But we we you know,
Speaker 1: we have just two things can be true at the
Speaker 1: same time. But it's not causality. Dear God, what religion
Speaker 1: has done to us anyway, It's been delicious not watching
Speaker 1: Trump bastardize the Kennedy Center with his disgusting name, but
Speaker 1: the fallout.
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to play with that man, right.
Speaker 1: The list of people who have canceled, most recently Bellaflac, Yeah,
Speaker 1: some some can't afford to cancel and are still canceling,
Speaker 1: which is that's the mark of what you stand for.
Speaker 1: You know. No, as much as I will miss this payday,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. I love it. I am here
Speaker 1: for And again I've talked about this before. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, we see some hideous things happen. The response
Speaker 1: is what I always look for, you know, because there's
Speaker 1: our humanity, there's where our fortitude lives, There's where our
Speaker 1: stuff lives as human beings, and God, is it happening.
Speaker 1: Hamilton Lin Manuel Miranda canceled the entire run.
Speaker 2: Stephen Schwartz was supposed to do a whole wicked thing.
Speaker 1: All that right, there's a hole in their whole.
Speaker 2: Doug Vveronan Dancers, proud of y'all.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. There the Washington National Opera, left ypay, the
Speaker 1: American College Theater Festival, Yep, who's he is it? Like
Speaker 1: the Kid Rock Theater now? What right cha? Chi? Five
Speaker 1: nights a week?
Speaker 2: They got vanillas now too?
Speaker 1: And the oh there's a housewag in charge.
Speaker 2: So Richard Grenell, right, and every time someone quits he
Speaker 2: blames it on like the woke mob got to them.
Speaker 1: The woke mob. Yeah, the woke mob. Wow.
Speaker 2: It was like, no one wants to put their name
Speaker 2: anything with.
Speaker 1: Your name, nobody, right, thank you, people of good conscience
Speaker 1: don't want to be anywhere near you. Right and good,
Speaker 1: he's the right, Christy Lee, Wayne Tucker, the Bernardo Quintet
Speaker 1: with Zonon Wang Magpie, Doug Veronon Dancers, comedy show Asian
Speaker 1: af the touring production of Hamilton, Chuck Read the Cookers,
Speaker 1: Stephen Schwartz, Rihanna Giddons and Balloon, and the cast members
Speaker 1: from a performance of Le Mans also boycotted an event. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it keeps going.
Speaker 2: My favorite was Chuck Red is a jazz musician, and
Speaker 2: every time someone cancels, everyone starts talking about them about
Speaker 2: how like you know you're you're not there to perform
Speaker 2: for everyone. I thought art was supposed to be for everyone.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, how are you going.
Speaker 2: To pretend now that you like jazz when you know
Speaker 2: you clap on the one in the three?
Speaker 1: Don't be fucking with me? Well there's time. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: this was talk about overstepping your bounds and find just
Speaker 1: fuck this is fuck around and find out mm hmm.
Speaker 1: You can put your name on it, but that ain't
Speaker 1: nobody going to show up. Nobody, and I mean no
Speaker 1: motherfucking body wants to play with you. I wonder how
Speaker 1: Glory Gainers feels today. I mean, I mean, she's still staunch.
Speaker 1: Probably everybody who took that aboard I'm just done with.
Speaker 2: And Nicki Minaj is selling her soul what everybody else?
Speaker 1: What is that even about? I don't even.
Speaker 2: She's trying to get a pardon for her rapist and
Speaker 2: abusers in her family.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, Yeah, that's right, Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: At least there's a reason this is what I want
Speaker 1: to see happen, because this tells me America is not
Speaker 1: going yet, yep, because you know how many times have
Speaker 1: I said, where are all the artists? Where are all
Speaker 1: the smart people? Where are? You know? Like we need
Speaker 1: to hear more from them and less from you know,
Speaker 1: we need to keep countering this shit left, right and sideways.
Speaker 1: And this is this is absolutely happening with the Kennedy Center. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, not having it, not having it, You're not
Speaker 1: going to do it, not there, And I'm here for
Speaker 1: all of it.
Speaker 2: And the part that cracks me up the hardest, it's
Speaker 2: not even like he had the Kohane is to take
Speaker 2: the Kennedy name off and put it on, put his
Speaker 2: name up.
Speaker 1: He put his name above Yep. They what in the
Speaker 1: TEAMU fucking It's like, what are you doing? This is
Speaker 1: It's all completely this was all predictable. It's like me
Speaker 1: trying to have the Charles Tyson Washington monument, like what
Speaker 1: has always been a joke, Yeah, a joke, uh huh
Speaker 1: for forty years. Now he's got a whole country to
Speaker 1: do it with yea and two yeah, and he is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody should be surprised.
Speaker 2: Nobody is.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. Well, some of the mega folks are
Speaker 1: kind of surprised because it is trickling down. It is
Speaker 1: a lot of some of this is affecting them, not
Speaker 1: the Kennedy Center, but yeah, other shit. But I love
Speaker 1: seeing this. I love seeing the arts community saying no, no, now, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that it is no longer prestigious, not while
Speaker 1: you're involved. There actually is.
Speaker 2: A growing number of people who were like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: made fun of y'all when when Trump won and I
Speaker 2: called you snowflakes, and and you know, I still don't
Speaker 2: agree with anything you stand for, but you know, I
Speaker 2: am coming to terms with the fact that he lied
Speaker 2: about things that I voted for him for. So you know,
Speaker 2: you might have had a point and so, and the
Speaker 2: point of that is like, okay, good, but don't expect
Speaker 2: us to like bring you into the fold and woo
Speaker 2: woo woo with you because you finally see some of
Speaker 2: the light. It's like, no, I will not give you
Speaker 2: makeup tips on how to hide the leopard byite marks
Speaker 2: on your face.
Speaker 1: Bitch, deal with it. You got damn self. It's going
Speaker 1: to be you know, when we say this is effect
Speaker 1: will affect generations, it absolutely will in so many ways.
Speaker 1: If there's a country left when we're done with all
Speaker 1: this nonsense. But you know, one of the things I
Speaker 1: wonder is, how do families, because we've seen this, We've
Speaker 1: talked to people, we know some people, we've had it
Speaker 1: happen with us. How do you heal families? How do
Speaker 1: you come back into the fold when you know you
Speaker 1: loudly supported this and left and went to January sixth
Speaker 1: on the bus. We know somebody who did that? Yep,
Speaker 1: And yeah, and then when your kids aren't talking to you,
Speaker 1: you wonder why. And you know, we have someone who
Speaker 1: was a very good friend and very close to us,
Speaker 1: and who is apparently full on mega at this point.
Speaker 1: And had you known this person prior, you would never
Speaker 1: ever have believed it. Right, that this was a very intelligent,
Speaker 1: very progressive thinking human and the arts community. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: he always had a streak of the toxic masculinity in him,
Speaker 1: but there was that, there was a little of that,
Speaker 1: But I didn't think it was stupid. And I chalked
Speaker 1: that up to you know, being of a certain age
Speaker 1: and white and male, and you know all that, right,
Speaker 1: there was a little of that, the misogyny, sure, right,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: But he also listened when you checked him used.
Speaker 1: To did at one time. Yeah, used to learn from
Speaker 1: from shit and that all went away.
Speaker 2: Now everything everyone's wrong with him?
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, and it started with COVID yet started with
Speaker 1: the vaccines. Yep, he's still going on and yeah still apparently.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know, but I wonder, how does that ever heal? Like,
Speaker 1: let's say we finally wake up, because some people are
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like they're waking up, going oh shit.
Speaker 1: I was totally deranged. I jumped onto this because it
Speaker 1: spoke to all of my fears and insecurities about being whatever,
Speaker 1: I don't know, under educated, poor, you know, all the
Speaker 1: things I get, you know, but whatever it was that
Speaker 1: attracted people of that and deep down at your racism, oh,
Speaker 1: deep down at your bigotry. Deep down you know it's
Speaker 1: your fear of the other because you've been led to,
Speaker 1: you know, and you want to celebrate what you value.
Speaker 1: I guess, but what happens? How does that ever fix?
Speaker 1: I don't know if it does, I don't know how
Speaker 1: you repair that. You know, even because there's a couple
Speaker 1: of people I can think of that, you know, it
Speaker 1: might be a long road back because you brought it
Speaker 1: into our relationship I didn't right, you did.
Speaker 2: You'll have to do a whole lot of repairative work
Speaker 2: before I'll even write.
Speaker 1: You condemned me. You condemned me. You came into my
Speaker 1: to condemn me for not supporting your support of this president.
Speaker 1: And because I I was smart then and now and
Speaker 1: I knew better then and now, and I never lied
Speaker 1: to you, but you wanted to believe his lies over
Speaker 1: someone You've known my whole You've known me my whole life.
Speaker 1: So how do you I'm not sure how that gets reconciled,
Speaker 1: especially as time goes on, right, don't know, don't know.
Speaker 2: It brings to mind one of my favorite quotes, don't
Speaker 2: hold on to a mistake just because you spent a
Speaker 2: lot of time making making it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, We're still in Chaddenboden.
Speaker 2: So this is this is this happens at the beginning
Speaker 2: of December.
Speaker 1: I love this.
Speaker 2: I held on to it because I really wanted.
Speaker 1: To talk about this. So I want more of this.
Speaker 2: Yes, this delightful woman Okay, her name is not is
Speaker 2: not mentioned here.
Speaker 1: So is a.
Speaker 2: Delightful black woman on TikTok. She took it upon herself
Speaker 2: to drive three hours documented this three hours to knock
Speaker 2: on this white man's door and confront him with the
Speaker 2: racist comments that he put on one of her posts.
Speaker 2: She gets to his job, she knocks on the door
Speaker 2: and he opens the door. She asks for someone named Mike.
Speaker 2: Does a man named Mike work here? He was like yes,
Speaker 2: and she asked to come in. And then she says,
Speaker 2: a couple of days ago, you left the comment under
Speaker 2: somebody's comment section. Do you remember that it was regarding
Speaker 2: the Tennessee District seven. And of course he's like, no, no,
Speaker 2: Well she took screenshots. You use the N word, and
Speaker 2: you accuse black people of constantly whining. Well, I'm here
Speaker 2: to give you the opportunity to apologize before I show
Speaker 2: your wife your Grinder profile.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, and she was basically like you. Grinder is
Speaker 1: a gay hookup app where you can see where gay
Speaker 1: men are in proximity to you to have sex with them.
Speaker 1: Uh huh yeah, And she very like you see how
Speaker 1: easy it was for me and have them. You see
Speaker 1: how easy it was for me to find you. It's
Speaker 1: not cool, right, So I'm giving you the opportunity to apologize.
Speaker 1: I'm going to show your wife the Grinder account I found.
Speaker 1: He agreed to apologize. I she pulled out a written
Speaker 1: apology and asked him to read it on camera. Yep, yeah,
Speaker 1: I might apologize for my actions. I can see the
Speaker 1: consequences of my actions, and I will not do this
Speaker 1: to anyone else ever again.
Speaker 2: And then when you finish, you went it was so
Speaker 2: nice meeting you, And then.
Speaker 1: That's all she wanted. Yea.
Speaker 2: And I was just like, she is doing the Lord's work,
Speaker 2: and I think more.
Speaker 1: People should do that. I do too.
Speaker 2: I thought that was tasty, delicious.
Speaker 1: You know, because and like I said, I've taken to
Speaker 1: thinking they all must be bots. It just helps my
Speaker 1: mental health. But you would never say to me in
Speaker 1: person what you'll say to me online. I know that's right.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't dare say to me in person what you
Speaker 1: will say to me with your face book muscles and
Speaker 1: your face buck balls. You would never dare in person, right,
Speaker 1: You just wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Which is the exact opposite of you and I, because
Speaker 2: we will happily repeat ourselves to your face because we
Speaker 2: have the courage of our conviction.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Oh yeah, I'll back it up.
Speaker 2: I just got into this with someone the other day
Speaker 2: because it was someone was being like extremely misogynistic and
Speaker 2: you know, and being. And then someone else is like, well,
Speaker 2: not all men. And I said, I say this a
Speaker 2: hundred times if I said it once, not all men,
Speaker 2: but enough of you bitches to warrant the conversation. And
Speaker 2: someone was like, oh see, you're one of those people.
Speaker 2: You talk all big and bad online, but then if
Speaker 2: if you were in person, you wouldn't be saying that
Speaker 2: calling people bitches. I was like, first of all, that's
Speaker 2: your takeaway from what I said. That's a whole other
Speaker 2: set of problems. Second of all, I absolutely would repeat myself.
Speaker 2: You obviously have no idea who I am.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't get it like I don't,
Speaker 1: but but I know most of these people mm hmm,
Speaker 1: wouldn't dare, right, I.
Speaker 2: Have one face and one person.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't dare You wouldn't call me those names. No,
Speaker 1: I probably outweigh you. I probably cast a shadow over
Speaker 1: you when we stand one another. And don't trifle with
Speaker 1: me because I don't trifle with you. I treat others
Speaker 1: with respect and you'll treat me with respect, and you
Speaker 1: just wouldn't. And that's what blows me away with social
Speaker 1: media is you forget yourself. Sorry some of y'all. Some
Speaker 1: of y'all are making a nickel a post I guess
Speaker 1: or whatever and don't care and or hiding behind a
Speaker 1: pick name or whatever. But this is the thing people
Speaker 1: for like think there's anonymity, but they're real people and
Speaker 1: they can be traced, and I love it when they are.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and they lose their job and that's called
Speaker 1: fuck around and find out that is not called that
Speaker 1: you were canceled whatever. Some of y' all deserve to
Speaker 1: be canceled if that is how you choose to conduct yourself,
Speaker 1: And God bless her, because yeah, yeah, the hypocrisy is astounding,
Speaker 1: and it's the hypocrisy. I thought we used to loathe
Speaker 1: in this country. I really did. I across political lines.
Speaker 1: I thought we hated hypocrisy. Yeah truly, I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: we haveing only one face meant something, right.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh there's this one streamer. He's on Twitch,
Speaker 2: I think, and he's a young black dude and I
Speaker 2: live for this shit, like cause the gamer community is
Speaker 2: like the toxic is fuck and so like there's always
Speaker 2: these like fourteen fifteen year old white kids that talk
Speaker 2: all kinds of shit when there's a black person there, yep,
Speaker 2: and call him all kinds of like monkey and and
Speaker 2: all this shit. So there was one time someone was
Speaker 2: trying this at saying black people aren't aren't the same
Speaker 2: species and your monkeys and your apes and but da
Speaker 2: da dah. So he pulls out a banana and starts
Speaker 2: eating it and goes, oh, is this you? Says his
Speaker 2: real name is your address, dada da da. Your mother's
Speaker 2: name is da da da da.
Speaker 1: You're just name.
Speaker 2: You see how easily can do this? So oh and
Speaker 2: you're on camera right now, and then all of the
Speaker 2: kids sudden, the kids say, oh, you're just going to
Speaker 2: ruin a fourteen year old's life. Like oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no, you were you were big and bad five
Speaker 2: seconds ago when I was a monkey. Now you're fourteen.
Speaker 1: No fuck that.
Speaker 2: He's like, can I apologize? No no, no, it's too
Speaker 2: late for that shit.
Speaker 1: Now. Didn't Brian Simms do that like called somebody's grandmother
Speaker 1: or something or called their house? It was like, yeah, somebody,
Speaker 1: I think somebody called him a faggot and like called
Speaker 1: and said, oh you're his grandmother. Well I just wanted
Speaker 1: you to know. Ah, yes, uh Yeah, that's because you
Speaker 1: know what, being polite t all doesn't matter. Nope, you
Speaker 1: all are not impressed with polite and and and we
Speaker 1: ain't got another notepa. It is for none of us
Speaker 1: that you other have anything to apologize for by existing. Therefore, right,
Speaker 1: some of this is the medicine you have ritually asked for.
Speaker 1: You know, if rent boys in DC kept better records,
Speaker 1: we would have better laws. Oh, I'm just saying we
Speaker 1: would have better laws. Yes, the Democrats don't crash grinder
Speaker 1: wherever they gather exactly, but boy do conservatives.
Speaker 2: I love swift retribution, right, it makes me happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying. You know that we used to
Speaker 1: say hypocrisy, and particularly hypocrisy where you, you know, create
Speaker 1: laws that affect the lives of other people, but hypocrisy
Speaker 1: in general mattered. Yeah, you know, and if you're gonna
Speaker 1: this was beautiful because if you're gonna around calling black
Speaker 1: people the M word. Yeah, I think your wife should
Speaker 1: understand the fullness of you mm hm, because I don't
Speaker 1: think she makes many of her own decisions at this point,
Speaker 1: probably because of the substances she needs to live with you.
Speaker 2: And it's so easy to find these things well.
Speaker 1: And that's just the point. It's like, you're not anonymous, No,
Speaker 1: we can see you. And is this what you want
Speaker 1: your children to look back on? It's the pictures of
Speaker 1: Grandma holding up the signs when Ruby Bridges was you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's it's that it's the screaming
Speaker 1: and the ugly and the nasty that is you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's there for all eternity. It is part
Speaker 1: of history and you can't erase it. You can try,
Speaker 1: God knows you can try. It's going to keep coming back. Yep,
Speaker 1: it's going to keep coming back. And I love that
Speaker 1: she just went, you know what, right, not today?
Speaker 2: I got time today?
Speaker 1: Not today? Yeah, not today. I love it. So anyway,
Speaker 1: I just want to mention as we close out this segment,
Speaker 1: Riley Gaines oh Chuck tied from fifth place in Outsports
Speaker 1: Asshole of the Year award. That's she couldn't even win
Speaker 1: that shade that it's closed, but no cigar for the
Speaker 1: former college swimmer.
Speaker 2: They were like, whatever wherever we place her, it's got
Speaker 2: to be fifth.
Speaker 1: It is a Yep, it's a familiar position for her.
Speaker 1: This was just for eighteenth in outsports dot Com. She
Speaker 1: is an asshole. Yeah, she really is. But she placed
Speaker 1: fifth best ass.
Speaker 2: You can't even win that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she gets twenty five thousand dollars a pop. It's
Speaker 1: speaking engagements, and she visited the White House. They will
Speaker 1: pay that much to hear vitriol and hate that backs
Speaker 1: up their insanity. And she jumped onto that like she
Speaker 1: can't swim, which was you know, supposed to be the point.
Speaker 1: But she can talk, she is, So she realized that
Speaker 1: trashing Lea Thomas would get her paid, so she did so.
Speaker 1: She sold her absolute soul. Yeah to pound only a
Speaker 1: Thomas cute, m cute, and they both came in fifth.
Speaker 1: That is the disgusting party.
Speaker 2: She made coming in fifth, tying for fifth place her
Speaker 2: entire personality.
Speaker 1: Exactly. It's not like you didn't win, because she won.
Speaker 1: And even in that case, Leah Thomas won one fucking
Speaker 1: race that won and lost what three And this is
Speaker 1: what we're counting. This is one of the ones she lost,
Speaker 1: as did Rightley game. Yes, they came they both came
Speaker 1: in fifth, but I guess I don't know. She would
Speaker 1: have had fifth place all on her own.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like if if Leah Thomas hadn't swamp
Speaker 2: swam in that race, is not like, oh then you
Speaker 2: would have won.
Speaker 1: No, at best, you would have been fourth. Call your ass. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah you sucked chick. Yeah she's fading finally, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean aoc even maybe if you channeled all this anger
Speaker 1: into swimming faster, you wouldn't have come in fifth. See yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's true. It's funny. It's so funny. It's incredible.
Speaker 1: It's incredible that she is still around and that people
Speaker 1: pay her to talk. I mean, making a career out
Speaker 1: of being mediocre is not a new thing, I know,
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's disgusting. Oh, I agree, it's just disgusting. Anyway,
Speaker 1: didn't even place first as asshole of the Year and
Speaker 1: out sports she played fits and this has been your
Speaker 1: moment sad employ people taking pleasure.
Speaker 2: And I suppose I am to be the one to
Speaker 2: ask this next question of you a.
Speaker 1: Year, it's more than once a year.
Speaker 2: But do you have a fifteen minute fait I do?
Speaker 2: Would you like to tell us about it?
Speaker 1: Sure? Sure? This is you know, this is one of
Speaker 1: the songs that I can play over and over again.
Speaker 1: I can tell you I played it a lot on
Speaker 1: my way to work. Played it a lot when I
Speaker 1: lost my job, and it always makes me feel a
Speaker 1: little bigger and a little better when I need it.
Speaker 1: I have it on repeat and it is more than
Speaker 1: a fifteen minute fave. So yeah, it's it's maybe the
Speaker 1: summary of my sixtieth birthday from twenty fifteen Rachel Platin.
Speaker 1: This is fight song, sending big ways and emotion like
Speaker 1: I was single, can make a hard over. I might
Speaker 1: only have one match, but I can make any exposion
Speaker 1: and all those things I did, sash flording balls, a
Speaker 1: sad afraid and I was scream and I have tonight.
Speaker 1: Can you hear my voice?
Speaker 2: This time?
Speaker 1: This is my fat song?
Speaker 2: Take back my life, son through the life, sum starting
Speaker 2: right now, healthy Stop, I'll my mid so.
Speaker 1: In the bly can no believe because I've still got
Speaker 1: a lot if I left in me.
Speaker 2: She was in friends and I'm shasting sleep.
Speaker 1: Everybody's worrying from me. In Tudi.
Speaker 4: Say Tudi, and we're back, We're back.
Speaker 2: I always feel a little taller after that song. That
Speaker 2: is a good song. I call that a triumphant song.
Speaker 1: I love triumphant song. I do too. Actually, yeah, and
Speaker 1: sometimes we need them word it is time for the
Speaker 1: cavalcade nonsense. Yes, and.
Speaker 2: Given what's on it, I have whittled it down to
Speaker 2: one story because it's plenty.
Speaker 1: It is plenty, and you know, we need to not
Speaker 1: only say her name, Renee Nicole Good, yes, but we
Speaker 1: really need to talk about what the fuck is going on.
Speaker 2: I've been so angry the past few days, and in
Speaker 2: a way unlike the way I'm usually angry.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, because an ice agent and ice should not
Speaker 1: exist in its current iteration. Nop. It is despicable, it
Speaker 1: is disgusting. It is you know, the rejects from January
Speaker 1: sixth being you know, given jobs basically anyway. One of
Speaker 1: them shot and killed thirty seven year old Renee Nicole
Speaker 1: Gold in Minneapolis last Wednesday, sparking candlelight vigils and protests
Speaker 1: across this country as good good.
Speaker 2: And kicking over candles of the at the vigil ice agents.
Speaker 2: Oh oh you didn't see this.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there was a candlelight vigil. Let's let's get
Speaker 1: to that.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so let's I'm sorry, I have.
Speaker 1: She was present at what appeared to be a large
Speaker 1: gathering of ice agents or Portland Avenue South, According to
Speaker 1: multiple videos of the incident. In the videos, multiple ICE
Speaker 1: agents are shown approaching her van, which briefly blocked ICE
Speaker 1: vehicles in the street. One of the agents attempted to
Speaker 1: open the driver's door, saying get out of the fucking car.
Speaker 1: She pulled her vehicle away and accelerated forward, and another
Speaker 1: agent fired three shots through the car.
Speaker 2: Window, one in the front, two on the side.
Speaker 1: Yep. The car then crashed into another parked vehicle nearby.
Speaker 1: She was transported to Hennepin County Medical Center, where she
Speaker 1: was later pronounced it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen that video from multiple angles.
Speaker 1: Federal agents kept a nearby doctor from approaching the scene
Speaker 1: to administer care that might have been life saving. These
Speaker 1: people are way out of control. And I guess you know,
Speaker 1: we now know she was a white queer wife and mother,
Speaker 1: and maybe the fact that she's white wild. I don't know, right,
Speaker 1: but you could be next. Is the message to all
Speaker 1: of this. Yeah. They have been vile, vile, None of
Speaker 1: them are qualified for this shit, right. This government has
Speaker 1: been vile. And what they've had to say. They tried
Speaker 1: to trash this woman. They have lied about her. Christy
Speaker 1: Nome claimed she had intentionally attempted to weaponize her vehicle Nope,
Speaker 1: to injure Ice agents with her car. Trump claimed she
Speaker 1: viciously ran over the Ice agent Nope, and was killed
Speaker 1: in self defense, and baselessly called her wife, heard screaming
Speaker 1: in the in some of the videos, a professional agitator.
Speaker 1: This is what we've come to. Yeah, no, go ahead,
Speaker 1: go off. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: So first of all, right, so I've seen this. I've
Speaker 2: seen multiple camera angles of this happening. Someone took the
Speaker 2: time to do a three D model to read like
Speaker 2: to to show it from all angles.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 2: There's no way any of their arguments hold any kind
Speaker 2: of water. She was not advancing toward any of them.
Speaker 2: She was turning to get a way to move the
Speaker 2: car that they fucking told her to move, Okay, and
Speaker 2: she was right. The one Ice agent was in front
Speaker 2: of her car. She did not aim at anyone, and
Speaker 2: she wasn't moving that fast because she was trying to
Speaker 2: not hit anyone or anything. But he was mad that
Speaker 2: she didn't like listen, she wasn't afraid of him.
Speaker 1: Her and she wasn't going to get out of the car, right,
Speaker 1: So he fired, which surprises no woman.
Speaker 2: Right, So you fired three shots?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a very fragile white man. This is
Speaker 1: what they're capable of when when they feel not taken
Speaker 1: seriously threatened in they not not even threatened, laughed at
Speaker 1: in the least, not given the full dignity they want
Speaker 1: because they now have some stupid title. Whatever the fuck,
Speaker 1: that's what this is, right, that's all this is. This
Speaker 1: woman did nothing wrong. I hope this has been my thought.
Speaker 1: I hope this is the televised fire hoses. I hope
Speaker 1: that is this moment. Right, you know, it moves the
Speaker 1: needle when it is a person of color. Now it's
Speaker 1: a white lady. Now what And they're trying to use
Speaker 1: the fact that you excuse a good missie queer, so.
Speaker 2: Right, you're trying to they were trying to use the
Speaker 2: fact that she's queer to like diminish her her fucking value,
Speaker 2: as if that you know what I'm saying, Like of course, like,
Speaker 2: of course, like so that is disgusting. Like I am
Speaker 2: not trained in law enforcement, and my first thought would be, okay, fine,
Speaker 2: if you're in that situation you feel that that's a threat,
Speaker 2: you shoot the tires, not the driver, right, m hm,
Speaker 2: just me. Apparently after he killed her, he could be
Speaker 2: heard saying fucking bitch, like really really, so that's right.
Speaker 2: That goes to show that really all it was was
Speaker 2: you were trying to show that uppity woman a lesson
Speaker 2: for not.
Speaker 1: Listening to your act. That is correct, That is not.
Speaker 1: That is not a man in fear of his life. Now,
Speaker 1: that's a man whose ego has been brushed against.
Speaker 2: Not to mention, she was moving at such a low
Speaker 2: rate of speed that he had three to five business
Speaker 2: days to get the fuck out of the way.
Speaker 1: I'm threatned. My life was threatened, Like get the fuck
Speaker 1: out of here.
Speaker 2: No, no, And then there was a candlelight vigil for
Speaker 2: the woman that they murdered, and there's agents there, and
Speaker 2: there's video of this one kicking over candles, just kicking
Speaker 2: them over, and someone was like, do you understand what
Speaker 2: you just did? And all they have to say is
Speaker 2: back up, Like do you know why that was there?
Speaker 1: Back up? Do you know why that candle was there?
Speaker 1: Back up?
Speaker 2: It was this is a vigil for this woman.
Speaker 1: Back up.
Speaker 2: And then he pushed the guy back. It's like they're bullies.
Speaker 2: They're the fucking Gestapo. That's all they are. This is
Speaker 2: Gestapo two point Oh you can't tell me different. No,
Speaker 2: I do enjoy the fact that there is a resurgence
Speaker 2: of armed Black Panther members.
Speaker 1: Out in public. We now know this jackass's name is
Speaker 1: Jonathan Ross. Yes.
Speaker 2: I normally don't like to say the names of people
Speaker 2: like this and give them lighter air. But no, say
Speaker 2: his motherfucking name because they always high their faces and
Speaker 2: you're so big and bad. Why can't we see your face?
Speaker 1: Yep, forty three year old firearms instructor who appears to
Speaker 1: have defended white supremacists online. No kidding, no kidding, Uh huh,
Speaker 1: that's who that is. Yeah, she was a thirty seven
Speaker 1: year old poet and mother. Yeah, mm hmm. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: man who called her a fucking bitch after he shot
Speaker 1: her gonessent wrong, she was attempting to leave the scene, yeah,
Speaker 1: real quick.
Speaker 2: Now might be a good time to point out there
Speaker 2: is an app that exists.
Speaker 1: I have it on my phone. It's called kochie c OQ.
Speaker 2: You I and you put your your location in and
Speaker 2: it gives you a live map of your immediate surroundings
Speaker 2: all the way out to the world at a glance,
Speaker 2: and it shows you where I say, agents are at
Speaker 2: any given time. How does it know because it's it's
Speaker 2: user driven. So when you see them, you put it
Speaker 2: in and it tells you ICE. It tells you police
Speaker 2: you can put in if they're still there, how long
Speaker 2: they've been there.
Speaker 1: He has an enforcement and Removal Operations agent that's a
Speaker 1: madeup with ICE. He was deployed at to Iraq in
Speaker 1: two thousand and four and five Stormtrooper, where he operated
Speaker 1: machine guns on patrol trucks before joining Border Patrol in
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven and eventually ICE in twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: when he moved to Minneapolis. So Storm big Man has
Speaker 1: always done this bullshit. He's a member of the SWAT Team,
Speaker 1: the Saint Paul Special Response Team, and a joint FBI
Speaker 1: Anti Terrorism Task Force, but he can't handle a woman
Speaker 1: not immediately listening to order.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the same reason why you know, women
Speaker 2: walk with their keys in their hands like a you know,
Speaker 2: like a weapon. These are the reasons why women cover
Speaker 2: their drinks. These are the reasons why women don't travel alone.
Speaker 2: These are you know, these are the reason why there's
Speaker 2: codes at bars like can I get an angel shot
Speaker 2: to let someone know that there's a man there that
Speaker 2: won't leave you alone. This all comes down to, like
Speaker 2: these fragile male egos that can't they can't handle their
Speaker 2: own irrelevance, They can't handle their own mediogrity, so they
Speaker 2: got to exert any kind of power yep. And it's
Speaker 2: never against someone as big as they are.
Speaker 1: Of course not. Friends and family describe him as a
Speaker 1: hardcore conservative Christian and magas supporter these sports don't tread
Speaker 1: on Me flags and Trump dvance stickers. Social media posts
Speaker 1: reveal him arguing with his family over the white supremacist
Speaker 1: group the Proud Boys. His sister Nicole posted a photo
Speaker 1: on Facebook in October of twenty twenty of herself wearing
Speaker 1: a face mask with the caption I denounce and condemn
Speaker 1: white supremacy. Ross replied in a comment that has since
Speaker 1: been deleted, prompting Nicole to respond, we have to respectfully disagree.
Speaker 1: You are my brother and I love you, but we
Speaker 1: will not engage in a debate on Facebook. Last year,
Speaker 1: he broke a suspects car window Yep. When a man
Speaker 1: wouldn't fully roll down his window, he broke it. He
Speaker 1: broke the car's rear window in an effort to unlock
Speaker 1: the door from the inside, and the driver did accelerate,
Speaker 1: dragging him about three hundred feet down the road while
Speaker 1: he attempted to taze the driver. Yeah, so we go
Speaker 1: right to.
Speaker 2: All these guys. Is another video of one of these
Speaker 2: guys pointing a gun at an unarmed protester telling him,
Speaker 2: telling him to move to back up, and the guy
Speaker 2: wouldn't move. He took his gun out and pointed at
Speaker 2: his face.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the Trump administration has nothing but lies, insulting
Speaker 1: her memory and insulting her intelligence. CHRISTI nom should be
Speaker 1: in jail. Yeah, truly, truly, and and and I can't
Speaker 1: believe there are Republicans who don't agree, can't believe it,
Speaker 1: don't want to believe it. She was probably kind of terrified,
Speaker 1: and she tried to leave, right. He stepped away from
Speaker 1: the vehicle in order to fire their shots. Right. They
Speaker 1: were never in any danger being hit by her. They weren't.
Speaker 1: But this is this is.
Speaker 2: And and you're claiming that she weaponized her vehicle. That's
Speaker 2: not the playbook. She didn't by leaving, right, that's the
Speaker 2: playbook of these maga people in these white premises. Those
Speaker 2: are the ones you see doing that shit.
Speaker 1: They are the ones who weaponize a vehicle.
Speaker 2: Uh, huh, Charlotte, Yep, yep, yep, which is why that's
Speaker 2: your frame of reference. So that must be it. It's
Speaker 2: that whole thing. If you lie and cheat and steal,
Speaker 2: everyone else must be a liar, cheater and a thief.
Speaker 1: That's how this works. Yeah.
Speaker 2: My first thought is, oh, mow him down, so that
Speaker 2: must be what she did.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't think it's that, though, because that would
Speaker 1: mean he equates his behavior with that of a woman,
Speaker 1: and that will never happen. That he somehow, you know,
Speaker 1: identified with her behavior. That is not what happened. How
Speaker 1: dare she challenge me? How dares she not follow my orders?
Speaker 1: How dare she not be afraid of me? I'll show her.
Speaker 1: And he took her life, and broad took a mother
Speaker 1: away from her children, took a wife away from her wife. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because his ego had a moment, a moment, and they
Speaker 1: can't even deal with that. It is terrifying. It is terrifying.
Speaker 1: These are the people we want to keep weapons away from. Right.
Speaker 2: And the fact that I see recruitment commercials for ice
Speaker 2: on television, yep, like chills my blood yep.
Speaker 1: I don't how do you watch this? And and and
Speaker 1: I mean the contortions that it takes to try to
Speaker 1: dehumanize a victim, and there are women doing it, Christie allegedly,
Speaker 1: as you know. And the Fox News is to talked
Speaker 1: about her pronouns being in her bio. That's there's a
Speaker 1: reason for her to be dead. Is that? Is that
Speaker 1: where we live? Yeah? The one that where we want
Speaker 1: to live.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm not even gonna fucking say his name, but
Speaker 2: he was on his show saying the woman who lost
Speaker 2: her life was a self proclaimed poet from Colorado with
Speaker 2: pronouns in her bio.
Speaker 1: She was from Colorado? When was she was? She born
Speaker 1: in Colorado? I mean she lived in Minneapolis. She came
Speaker 1: to Minneapolis from Kansas City and Missouri. So like, I
Speaker 1: don't even know what that right. Maybe maybe she was
Speaker 1: originally I don't know where they're confusing her with anyway,
Speaker 1: who knows.
Speaker 2: And then publications like The Daily Mail refused to say
Speaker 2: she had a wife. They referred to she left behind
Speaker 2: a lesbian partner and a child from a previous marriage.
Speaker 1: She left behind her wife two children, I believe previous.
Speaker 2: They don't even have the facts right.
Speaker 1: She was married to comedian Timmy Ray Maclin, who died
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. She was the mother of three,
Speaker 1: two teenagers from her first marriage prior to her marriage
Speaker 1: to Maclin. We need to be talking about a nice
Speaker 1: agent shooting an American citizen in the face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, execution, that's what it is. He executed her.
Speaker 1: On an American street. We need to talk about that
Speaker 1: in broad mother about the daylight. Yeah, it could be you,
Speaker 1: you right wing fascist. It could be you if you
Speaker 1: don't exactly as you're told.
Speaker 2: Like I've I've already thought about the fact that I
Speaker 2: am racially ambiguous m hm hm and get called poppy
Speaker 2: a lot, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's like, I.
Speaker 2: Don't actively get scared, but I do think about it
Speaker 2: when I go places like when I cross the bridge,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: So do I because that's again, you know, the visual
Speaker 1: of anything is enough with these people. It's enough to
Speaker 1: justify anything. Ask the women who have actually been assaulted
Speaker 1: by other women or the men who come rushing into
Speaker 1: the women's room, thank you allegedly defending them because some
Speaker 1: Karen complained mm hmmm, because this woman who didn't look
Speaker 1: feminine enough for you had to be And yeah, doesn't
Speaker 1: matter how low abiding you are, or the fact that
Speaker 1: you were born right here yep, and there's it could
Speaker 1: be in a moment, what they see and with your attitude,
Speaker 1: I could be a widow because of what they think
Speaker 1: they see, right and their fucking storm troopers.
Speaker 2: They'll go into schools, into restaurant kitchens and like steps
Speaker 2: people from their jobs, from their desks, from business is
Speaker 2: that they own, outside of courthouses, outside of like stadiums.
Speaker 1: This is not okay, This is not America. This is
Speaker 1: not what, not what it used to be, not what
Speaker 1: it can be. This has nothing to do with the
Speaker 1: promise of America. Nope. This has to do with, you know,
Speaker 1: a very small segment gaining grounds so that the Republican
Speaker 1: Party could keep power. They let the fringe of their
Speaker 1: fringe in to the conversation in the eighties because Saint
Speaker 1: Reagan recognized it as a necessity before that. This was
Speaker 1: not their Republican Party. This was not politics, This was
Speaker 1: not we We actually cared about experts, We cared about
Speaker 1: the truth, We cared about hypocrisy, at least we pretended to.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it was perfect, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1: This right, this is the logical conclusion of everything we've
Speaker 1: been warning y'all about you know, I made a statement
Speaker 1: recently about just a comment twenty sixteen. You will remember
Speaker 1: the text I caught from a fellow woman business owner
Speaker 1: who criticized me and said I was too political and
Speaker 1: that turns off some of your customers. She met her,
Speaker 1: actually she met her boyfriend, and I said, it must
Speaker 1: be nice to not live your politics. It must be
Speaker 1: nice that your life doesn't change much no matter who
Speaker 1: gets elected.
Speaker 2: Oh he said that. He said that, either to me
Speaker 2: or in front of me, that, oh, it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: who's president, it doesn't really affect me.
Speaker 1: I wanted to smack the shit out of him. They're
Speaker 1: doing right. But you know, she gave me a lecture
Speaker 1: about toning it down. And one of her friends, and
Speaker 1: a person I thought was a friend, told me my
Speaker 1: rhetoric was a paranoid I think was. You know, but
Speaker 1: if I was right, he'd have my back. I never
Speaker 1: heard from him again. Remember him, you remember him. I
Speaker 1: was a good friend to him. Not only did he
Speaker 1: not have my back, he never came back into our bar. Nope,
Speaker 1: because this is the kind of cancer supporting a person
Speaker 1: like Trump is. He was always a joke to serious
Speaker 1: people He was always a joke to people who fundamentally
Speaker 1: care about decency and fairness and anything good in this country.
Speaker 1: He was always a joke, a literal punchline, a literal punchline.
Speaker 1: And now we have American citizens, and now it's the
Speaker 1: white ones being murdered in the street.
Speaker 2: And there's still like people in the comments of these
Speaker 2: things channing ice ice baby and shit like that. And
Speaker 2: that's why they had that fucking event, whatever it was,
Speaker 2: and they had Vanilla Ice performed just so they could
Speaker 2: perform ice ice baby like that.
Speaker 1: That and of course they did right first job he
Speaker 1: had in twenty five years. Well that. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: aren't disgusted and terrified right now, you shouldn't be listening
Speaker 1: to enough, right I. The resistance, the response, the folks
Speaker 1: just gathering together has been enormous and it should continue.
Speaker 1: The politicians, thank god for Jasmine Crockett and Yasi and
Speaker 1: others who are not mincing words.
Speaker 2: Nope, oh they are so scared of Jasmine Crockett Good.
Speaker 2: The only reason I ever would have entertained the thought
Speaker 2: of wanting to be in Texas was to vote for.
Speaker 1: Her, right right, Yeah, this is uh, It's indefensible it is,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's pugnant. This goes beyond rhetoric each and
Speaker 1: every time. I mean, it goes beyond. We weren't doing
Speaker 1: the podcast when it was George Floyd, when we were
Speaker 1: living that when we got docsed for standing up, we
Speaker 1: weren't doing this podcast. But we are now we've been
Speaker 1: docs since. Yeah, we have. Thanks again, Thanks for the
Speaker 1: streams though, Yeah. Thanks. I love it when I don't know,
Speaker 1: we get an uptick because of haters. It's fun. It's
Speaker 1: like turning their tears into money. It's okay or something. Yeah.
Speaker 2: What's soothing my mind right now is I'm looking at
Speaker 2: the stage in Cyprus candle right that weight when we
Speaker 2: were when we record Dear Friend of the Pod. She
Speaker 2: runs a wonderful business in Philadelphia called Witchy Philly Candle Company,
Speaker 2: and we've been they have a lot of our money.
Speaker 2: And I ordered a bunch of new candles, especially the
Speaker 2: Sage and Cypress, which is the Prosperity and Abundance candle,
Speaker 2: and we always burn it when we record both our
Speaker 2: regular episodes and when we do interviews. And I ordered
Speaker 2: a bunch and she sent them to us, and she
Speaker 2: created special labels with our podcast logo on them.
Speaker 1: It does instead of saying full circle the podcast, it says,
Speaker 1: Sage and cypress the candle with picture. These are really fun,
Speaker 1: really fun. And it was a bright spot for sure
Speaker 1: when the order arrived.
Speaker 2: Well because I told her the custom order. Yes, well
Speaker 2: because I told her that, you know, we we burned
Speaker 2: these candles when we record, so she wanted to like
Speaker 2: make a point of making it special for us.
Speaker 1: And you know, one of the things that Elizabeth and
Speaker 1: I say often to the trans folks that we support is,
Speaker 1: if you're going to fight for your life, make sure
Speaker 1: you have one mmmm. Make sure that it's worth living.
Speaker 1: Make sure that the things that you value are a
Speaker 1: part of your existence. Yes, if you value beauty, if
Speaker 1: you value peace, if you value music, make sure to
Speaker 1: include that in your humanity, because otherwise, what are you
Speaker 1: fighting for? Exactly? And this is a part of that.
Speaker 1: And so again, when we go through hard things, how
Speaker 1: we show up and how we show up for others matters,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it. I don't know. She's probably
Speaker 1: really good at printing out labels. That might have taken
Speaker 1: her two minutes, but it meant the world to us
Speaker 1: to receive our order customized like what a sweet, lovely gesture. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's why I'm redoing the bathroom and trying to make
Speaker 1: it fabulous because I need to, you know, I need
Speaker 1: to remind myself what matters and what is important and
Speaker 1: beauty and is important to me and our surroundings, our spaces,
Speaker 1: our friends, having a gathering place is important to me,
Speaker 1: and that we have to find balance. That is self care,
Speaker 1: That is, you know, making sure that you don't let
Speaker 1: them win by giving over your sanity because this is
Speaker 1: also insane and you have to take that breath because
Speaker 1: this is a marathon, not a sprint, and they count
Speaker 1: on overwhelming you. They count on you checking out and
Speaker 1: saying it's not worth voting, It's not worth anything if
Speaker 1: they lie to you, so that you turn around and say, well,
Speaker 1: if it's all lies, well it's not all lies. They're
Speaker 1: the ones lying. Get it, don't twist it, don't you know,
Speaker 1: feed into the lie that all politicians are the same
Speaker 1: because more and more good people are entering politics, because
Speaker 1: it's true, they're disgusted with all of that.
Speaker 2: We're friends with many of them, yes we are.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, that small gesture with those labels certainly
Speaker 1: made our day. And it was just a lovely thing.
Speaker 1: So when you can do lovely things, do them. When
Speaker 1: you can love one another more, do so. When you
Speaker 1: can treat yourself in some way that affirms your own
Speaker 1: humanity and dignity and worth, do so.
Speaker 2: For Christmas, you got me a fabulous turntable and stereo.
Speaker 2: And so I've been listening to records again, and I've
Speaker 2: been looking at records that are for sale out in
Speaker 2: the world, and I only consider buying them if I
Speaker 2: can imagine, like the scene that it would set listening
Speaker 2: to this, putting this, putting the needle down on this,
Speaker 2: and what kind of vibe it would set like if
Speaker 2: it doesn't do something like, if it doesn't spark joy,
Speaker 2: it's just like, eh, it's not worth it.
Speaker 1: Well, And you know a big part of your inheritance
Speaker 1: was your father's jazz collection and that's all on vinyl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm barely scratching the surface with the going
Speaker 2: through those.
Speaker 1: And this also records. Yeah, so you can digitize any
Speaker 1: of it. I love that at it to the digital
Speaker 1: collection and it digitizes CDs and because that's as well, right,
Speaker 1: and you know that hey, that's part of your side
Speaker 1: hustle mm hmm, is you know, putting music together for
Speaker 1: Philadenko and others, And yeah, it's it's part of the equipment,
Speaker 1: but it also brings joy and it does lets you
Speaker 1: enjoy those things I thought it was. That's how it's fabulous.
Speaker 1: I put effort into that you did, and it makes
Speaker 1: me very happy.
Speaker 2: And even like with social media, I'm trying really hard
Speaker 2: to battle my algorithm. Like I've been following a lot
Speaker 2: of things like movie history and music and dance and
Speaker 2: art things.
Speaker 1: Like that to like battle the bullshit. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say, like we you spent a little
Speaker 1: time looking at all the lists we're actually on, which
Speaker 1: is pretty awesome because we ran pretty fucking high, you know,
Speaker 1: in a lot of lists and they include arts and culture.
Speaker 1: And we do that for a couple of reasons, because
Speaker 1: we're that's a part of our lives and you know,
Speaker 1: has been, and it's important again to balance out our
Speaker 1: humanity and to remember that there are others out there
Speaker 1: working hard to bring us art and supporting it matters,
Speaker 1: et cetera. So it's it's that means as much to
Speaker 1: me as as our standing as news commentary. Right, you know,
Speaker 1: my standing as a trans woman podcast or any of
Speaker 1: those things, it means as much to see that, you know,
Speaker 1: our discussions of arts and culture matter out there too.
Speaker 2: We're in the top five for those respective categories.
Speaker 1: But I know I love that because there's a lot
Speaker 1: of podcasts out there there, really really really is. There's
Speaker 1: a lot out there, but we are the little podcast
Speaker 1: that keeps going. Word. On that note, I'm going to
Speaker 1: close the Cavalcade because enough, let's take our final break
Speaker 1: and come back and pop the culture. Let's do that.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. We are back. We're back, you know. Wow.
Speaker 1: Speaking of popping the culture, I love a clever T shirt.
Speaker 1: I love I love a good T shirt. I love
Speaker 1: a fun T shirt. Speaking of t shirts, we have merchandise,
Speaker 1: we do. You have worked closely with Funfire dot com. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we have merch Yes.
Speaker 2: You may have noticed, or you'll definitely notice when this
Speaker 2: episode comes out. We our logo has gotten a bit
Speaker 2: of a blow up. It did.
Speaker 1: God, we look out, we really do. We just took
Speaker 1: a newer picture. But no, it looks fabulous and the
Speaker 1: books at Bonfire helped us to glow up our our
Speaker 1: logo and created some fabulous merchandise which we're selling. Yes,
Speaker 1: and I love that, And you can put it on stuff, right,
Speaker 1: you can put it on more than T shirts, but
Speaker 1: right now it's T shirt.
Speaker 2: Yes, T shirts and hoodies, Mugs, mugs are coming.
Speaker 1: We're doing We're doing.
Speaker 2: That, yeah. Bags, yeah, but hey yeah. So we're definitely
Speaker 2: going to put the link to our store in the
Speaker 2: episode notes of this episode and every episode from this
Speaker 2: point forward, And when I get some time, I'm going
Speaker 2: to go back and put it in.
Speaker 1: Old ones like it was always there, because one of
Speaker 1: these days we will do this live. One of these
Speaker 1: days we will we will do live podcasts and and
Speaker 1: take them around and we'll have a merchant We'll have
Speaker 1: a merch table. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, And there are already some of our shirts out
Speaker 2: there in the Why I know.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that, and I love folks
Speaker 1: sending us pictures of them wearing their shirts. Yes that,
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you that like makes me giggle. It's awesome,
Speaker 1: it's fun. It is fun. I never thought my face
Speaker 1: would be on a T shirt kind of cool. I mean,
Speaker 1: not in a good way anyway. Anyway, I've always.
Speaker 2: Been a whore like that. So my face has already
Speaker 2: been on a T shirt, so I'm just glad to.
Speaker 1: Do it again. Fine, anyway, check out the merch. We
Speaker 1: appreciate it. It does help support the podcast and it's fun.
Speaker 1: And the folks at Bonfire did do a beautiful job,
Speaker 1: so thank you to them for finding us and I'm
Speaker 1: partnering with us. Indeed, Glad has announced their nominees for
Speaker 1: the thirty seventh Annual Glad Media Awards. Rivalry is there,
Speaker 1: which we're going to talk about a little bit. Okay,
Speaker 1: Stranger Things which I'll never watch, Pluribus, which I keep
Speaker 1: being told to watch and you keep saying very sure,
Speaker 1: but I might Abbot Elementary, which I.
Speaker 2: Enjoy, Hacks of course, God, I love Hacks.
Speaker 1: Severance which I've still not seen, a bunch of one,
Speaker 1: swift Horses, which also had no idea dry.
Speaker 2: Race for obvious reasons, Kiss of the Spider Woman for
Speaker 2: obvious reasons, Traders for obvious reasons.
Speaker 1: Somehow, Andy Cohen, Yeah, I know, the Kelly Clarkson Show,
Speaker 1: The View, good hang with Amy Poehler, handsome, I've had it,
Speaker 1: and more. Okay, all right.
Speaker 2: The Read also is nominated, even though they're not listed here.
Speaker 1: Oh are they good for them?
Speaker 2: Yeah, last Culturistas, even though uh, they're reaping a little
Speaker 2: bit of kerfuffle because they allegedly joking we're talking about
Speaker 2: don't donate money to Jasmine Crockett. It's a waste of
Speaker 2: time and a waste of money. Really, Okay, whatever, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I love y'all, But no, that ain't that.
Speaker 1: Ain't that? That ain't it? Yeah, it's it's so across like.
Speaker 2: Podcasting and movies and television and music.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. I mean there's other stuff that we'll talk about.
Speaker 1: But anyway, they were announced.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll put the list in the notes of
Speaker 2: this episode. Yeah, we'll give it a perusal.
Speaker 1: Say what you've seen and decide if you want to
Speaker 1: see anything else, because there's some stuff here. Joe, Oh god, okay,
Speaker 1: so that's happening.
Speaker 2: Oh I put this on here a while ago. Four
Speaker 2: Non blond Els finally coming out with a new album
Speaker 2: for thirty three years.
Speaker 1: No kidding. Yeah, I was like, let me open this
Speaker 1: so I can say it's no shit. H I see
Speaker 1: the picture of them in ninety three. What are they
Speaker 1: looking now? It doesn't matter. Four No Blonds so, of
Speaker 1: course famously gave us what's going on?
Speaker 2: And Linda Perry has had a bustling career as a
Speaker 2: songwriter and producer since she's responsible for bringing Us Pink's
Speaker 2: current down. Christina Aguilera and Gwen Stefani and Alicia Keys.
Speaker 1: Did I hear Gwen Stefani has turned into him? Yes,
Speaker 1: that's what I heard.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: In fact, I'm sorry I said her name just then,
Speaker 2: because wasn't she Bathwater?
Speaker 1: Yes? I've loved Gwen Stefani for so long, but now
Speaker 1: I did too. Yeah, I know it's it's you know what,
Speaker 1: nobody broke my heart more than Bette Midler, so you
Speaker 1: know the what can the rest of them do to me? Exactly?
Speaker 1: I idolized that woman? And yeah, then she just doubled
Speaker 1: down on her Turphy ship we have seen.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I can move on, exactly, I can move on. We
Speaker 1: watched a lot of things together over the holiday season.
Speaker 1: We did, and you know, I made you watch Come
Speaker 1: See Me in the Good Light, which which was so good.
Speaker 1: I know, the Andrea Gibson documentary, wasn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you're the reason why I know who
Speaker 2: Andrew Gibson was, because we talked about her on this
Speaker 2: show when she died, and that was my introduction to her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the documentary and God bless Tignatara, who was one
Speaker 1: of the executive producers, Yeah for bringing this story to us.
Speaker 2: I will say, you know, I am neither one of
Speaker 2: us is a fan of Tignataro's comedy, just just her comedy,
Speaker 2: her comedy. But tig Natara was a fucking badass.
Speaker 1: Absolutely as an act to act and a human being
Speaker 1: for sure. Hell, and you know, I love love love that,
Speaker 1: you know we have this in the universe, that that
Speaker 1: you know, because it's oh my god, It's just it's
Speaker 1: so touching and inspiring and important. And I challenge you
Speaker 1: not to just cry tears of varying all the tears, yeah,
Speaker 1: joy and victory and sadness and life, because I was thinking,
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I cried for various reasons because that
Speaker 1: was Andrea Gibson and and uh yeah, it's an important story.
Speaker 1: I dear God, I love it.
Speaker 2: I need to read more poetry, yes, because I keep
Speaker 2: coming across these poets who like are amazing humans and
Speaker 2: just have a way with words. I just I don't
Speaker 2: read poetry like that for no other reason than I
Speaker 2: just don't. I go towards like fiction and nonfiction and
Speaker 2: things like that, but I never read poetry.
Speaker 1: I need to get into that. Yeah, yeah you do.
Speaker 1: Andrew Gibson amazing poet, amazing spoken words slam poet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, became a rock star in poetry, which I adore.
Speaker 1: And come See Me in the Good Light is so
Speaker 1: worth watching.
Speaker 2: And you'd think someone that like writes poetry and his
Speaker 2: performed poetry would be more of a reader.
Speaker 1: Of I would think so. But I think I've seen
Speaker 1: it four times now. It's a great film. Yep, I
Speaker 1: went on a binge.
Speaker 2: Yes, you were in your cooking movie bag for little while, right,
Speaker 2: it's been that long since we've recorded.
Speaker 1: I Food. Yes, I don't remember what started at. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, I guess, but.
Speaker 2: I think you were watching known As Again and well
Speaker 2: that was one of the food movies you dove into.
Speaker 2: The you might all so like, maybe that led you
Speaker 2: in a rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: And I rewatched Julie and Julia for the hundredth time,
Speaker 1: and then you.
Speaker 2: Were like, let's see what else is out there?
Speaker 1: Tortilla Soup, which I.
Speaker 2: Had been meaning to watch for however long, and we finally.
Speaker 1: Watched it fabulous and Chef.
Speaker 2: Also, Chef is a great movie. Also triumph of the
Speaker 2: Human Spirit.
Speaker 1: Film, that's my genre. That is a Martha movie. Yes,
Speaker 1: a Triumph of the Human Spirit. It's a Martha movie
Speaker 1: and they all were. But the head food is kind
Speaker 1: of the theme. And I think I was cooking while
Speaker 1: I was watching. Yes, yeah, it goes along with the
Speaker 1: theme of me watching you know, hoarders and cleaning and
Speaker 1: then watching Yeah, well Chef.
Speaker 2: I had never heard of it. It's a comedy. It's
Speaker 2: very funny, and you know, it's got a fabulous.
Speaker 1: Cast, delightful film.
Speaker 2: And I highly recommend it, like it'll make you hungry, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it just will. Like basically, the premise was like this,
Speaker 2: like rock Star, Chef got reamed in a.
Speaker 1: Review because he did what the owner wanted.
Speaker 2: Right, because he you know, didn't push himself forward into
Speaker 2: his own stuff like he should have, and he was
Speaker 2: doing what the owner wanted and played it safe, and
Speaker 2: so he was like, well, fuck it, I'm gonna do
Speaker 2: it my way. And he went around the country with
Speaker 2: a food truck and had a journey. And it's a
Speaker 2: film about family, it's a film about bravery, it's a
Speaker 2: film about you know, doing your own thing. I highly
Speaker 2: recommend it. I believe that's on what Prime.
Speaker 1: I think it was. Yeah, yeah, but really good movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah worth seeing. So anyway, food movies, great escape, Yes,
Speaker 1: because I loved I cook to Yeah, I love to cook,
Speaker 1: and you're highly suggestible. I am highly suggestible, but I do.
Speaker 1: But I love cooking. And it's like the holidays. I
Speaker 1: don't generally cook Hungarian food, but I do cook it
Speaker 1: around Christmas time because I did it for so many years.
Speaker 1: For Christmas, if we cook, you know, all the Hungarian
Speaker 1: food came out and I and I was able to cook.
Speaker 1: You know, I made stuff, cabbage and checking pupper crush
Speaker 1: for for our friends over Christmas, and that was so good.
Speaker 2: You know how I know you're you're so easily suggestible.
Speaker 2: It is physically impossible for us to watch The Godfather
Speaker 2: hmm without you, without you having to have Italian food. Fair,
Speaker 2: It's not possible. It's never been the entire time we've
Speaker 2: been together.
Speaker 1: It has not been every time, every single That is
Speaker 1: not a complaint, by the way, I'm just saying good
Speaker 1: Italy Italians taught me how to cook it time.
Speaker 2: No, it's I get to eat your Italian food. So
Speaker 2: I'm not complaining, just saying it.
Speaker 1: Always happened, totally, totally. I'm like, oh, yeah, somebody was
Speaker 1: eating a taco the other day. I'm like, I need
Speaker 1: a talk Yep, it happens often. I love food, so
Speaker 1: apparently I'm food motivated. Much like our dogs. I go
Speaker 1: peeps where I'm supposed to go too, as long as
Speaker 1: there's good food.
Speaker 2: I'm not mad at you about it, and didn't have
Speaker 2: to kick you out of bed to press the point.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I don't know what's next. Oh wake up.
Speaker 2: Dead Man is the latest entry in the Knives Out
Speaker 2: milliere as it were, we watched it.
Speaker 1: It was about the.
Speaker 2: There was a murder of a priest and the priest
Speaker 2: was like beloved, slash feared, and it became a mystery
Speaker 2: because it was like who did it? Who didn't do it? Okay,
Speaker 2: Kerrie Washington was in it.
Speaker 1: Okay, you don't remember this at all?
Speaker 2: Do?
Speaker 1: It was good, but of the Knives Out.
Speaker 2: Films, it was my least favorite. Okay, yeah, it goes
Speaker 2: the glass Onion Knives out.
Speaker 1: Oh right, Catholics onion Yeah, okay, that's right, I remember
Speaker 1: that part. Yeah, it's a good film.
Speaker 2: I recommend checking it out, but if you're watching it
Speaker 2: to be a completionist, it's not.
Speaker 1: It wasn't my favorite of the lot. Okay, we were.
Speaker 2: You were binging several series and each time you had
Speaker 2: to stop for various reasons.
Speaker 1: I put that in here because I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah I needed a pause.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you were binge watching The West Wing, which
Speaker 2: I never really watched like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love the one. It got so depressing. It's
Speaker 1: sad now because the idea of having all smart people
Speaker 1: and charge who care about the government, who want to govern, well, yeah.
Speaker 2: The West Wing was supposed to be a fictionalized insider
Speaker 2: look into what was happening in the White House and
Speaker 2: people that like, you know, are making our government go
Speaker 2: and the conversations that take place and the decisions that
Speaker 2: get made. But it's all under the assignment.
Speaker 1: You watch it right now on Netflix and don't cry.
Speaker 2: You're not exactly like people who like care so much
Speaker 2: about democracy and right doing a good job and being
Speaker 2: smart And oh my god, it made me so Sadau'm like,
Speaker 2: this feels like historical fiction.
Speaker 1: Now I know, and I forget why I had to
Speaker 1: take a pause, but I think that's a big part
Speaker 1: of it. It was just it got sad, so fucking
Speaker 1: sad that right now, none of that matters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you were having trouble sleeping.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. I was. That's right. I was because
Speaker 1: I was watching that and going I, yeah, I couldn't
Speaker 1: fall sleep because it just breaks my heart. You know
Speaker 1: that we have people, unseerious, people in charge of very
Speaker 1: serious things right now, and they do not have anyone's
Speaker 1: best interest at heart. They are cynically not human, and
Speaker 1: it's just it's so sad. The closer I stopped watching
Speaker 1: because I got to the episode where boat Bridges was
Speaker 1: playing a trans woman and some of the language out
Speaker 1: of all the characters you know in Contact the time,
Speaker 1: and I get it, but I was just like, you
Speaker 1: need to do that to yourself. Yeah, because I was
Speaker 1: just enjoying it as like, you know, a distraction, and
Speaker 1: then it became not distracting and I got annoyed. At
Speaker 1: the point where I become annoyed, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is no longer sousing, And not that he didn't
Speaker 1: play the character well, but again, of course they found
Speaker 1: a he to play a trans woman and it was
Speaker 1: played the joke. The reaction of the regular characters was.
Speaker 2: Not pretty, not played as a joke, but included as
Speaker 2: a joke.
Speaker 1: Right dismissed funny you know he he he, and I
Speaker 1: say he because it was both. Bridges came back for
Speaker 1: a trial of a case that he had been a
Speaker 1: detective one but now he's a trans woman, and Lieutenant
Speaker 1: Prevenza gets mad because she won't just dress like a
Speaker 1: man to test to find the way God in tender
Speaker 1: because that's how being trans works obviously. Yeah, So anyway,
Speaker 1: it got and I went, Okay, this is no longer
Speaker 1: a distraction, so I stopped right and Karas Sedwick said
Speaker 1: some stuff. Anyway, I stopped that, or at least paused it.
Speaker 1: We have been watching Mom, I Forget, I love Alison Johnny.
Speaker 1: It's hysterical. But you were like, okay, enough of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was this thing, and I'm realizing when we're
Speaker 2: watching these shows that they weren't meant to be binged.
Speaker 2: They were meant to be watched one week at a time. Right,
Speaker 2: When you watch certain shows as a binge, you start
Speaker 2: to notice the quirks of the characters. It becomes heavy
Speaker 2: and the same thing with Karas Sedgwick in The Closer
Speaker 2: was the same thing that was happening with Alison, Janny
Speaker 2: and Mom. This whole like emotionally stunted.
Speaker 1: Not as much her, but the doorter. I think, well,
Speaker 1: both of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, emotionally stunted. I'm running for my emotions.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't verbalize what I'm feeling because I'm afraid, and
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna make stupid decisions because rather than just
Speaker 2: say what I'm feeling or do what I'm feeling and
Speaker 2: admit that I feel this way, I'm going to run
Speaker 2: away and do the opposite. It got on my fucking
Speaker 2: nerves and I couldn't fucking take it.
Speaker 1: I adore me and Me Kennedy and her character of Margie,
Speaker 1: and I will say it. It does a lot of
Speaker 1: it depicts recovery pretty accurate, yes, But I was even
Speaker 1: yelling at them because you know boundaries like yes, we're
Speaker 1: supposed to be there for each other and right no,
Speaker 1: sometimes the answer is I'm not coming right now. You
Speaker 1: need to sit with your actions while I live my life.
Speaker 1: And there wasn't enough of that. There were too many
Speaker 1: times so when it was like, oh, I have to
Speaker 1: go right, and it's like, yeah, we do that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like especially in AA, but there
Speaker 1: wasn't some balance in some of what I need. But anyway,
Speaker 1: it's it's really well done, and it's really funny. It's
Speaker 1: a funny show.
Speaker 2: It's something funny.
Speaker 1: Some of it is dead on with addiction. The writing
Speaker 1: is really good because like it is good.
Speaker 2: It's not a lot of shows where every single episode
Speaker 2: makes me laugh out loud, and that's one of them.
Speaker 1: It pretty much does. Yeah, but sometimes you're right. It
Speaker 1: goes to the extreme so often that it's like, oh, come.
Speaker 2: On, right, he said he loves me, So I have
Speaker 2: to run to the opposite side of the country because.
Speaker 1: I yeah, but then I have to run back because
Speaker 1: my friend got drunk, right yeah, and I have to
Speaker 1: leave him in the lurch because yeah, I can't let
Speaker 1: my friends sit with the consequences of their own action
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah. So anyway, but oh, I mean, mom,
Speaker 1: is it is fun. It is a funny It is
Speaker 1: good fun. But I had to pause that too, You're right, anyway,
Speaker 1: I had a pause, will go back, but then it
Speaker 1: took me back to law and order.
Speaker 2: So right, because you the whole time you were watching that.
Speaker 2: You weren't watching new episodes of your Law and Order, right,
Speaker 2: so your Laws and Order?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I caught up with yeah, Law and Order and
Speaker 1: SVU and Organized Crime, which is now a peacock series.
Speaker 1: Curse now yeah, so yeah, because I'm like, because what
Speaker 1: the fuck are you talking about? Whoa whoa Wow? I
Speaker 1: didn't even I didn't notice until you went did she
Speaker 1: just say fuck?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, oh oh yeah yeah because it
Speaker 1: they say it where it fits and where somebody, of
Speaker 1: course would have said fuck. And it made me realize
Speaker 1: how many times you know they don't curse when somebody
Speaker 1: would have yeah, right, they are now a peacock.
Speaker 2: I'm waiting to hear Olivia Benson say fuck, but she
Speaker 2: might not.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I don't think so. I don't see that happening.
Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll say I would love it. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: What the fuck is wrong with you?
Speaker 1: Right? He did? He did? Oh?
Speaker 2: We watched Heated Rivalry and I made you watch.
Speaker 1: One because you were like eh, And then I was
Speaker 1: like the episode that made me cry.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you have to watch this one right, because
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, it's you have to come back
Speaker 2: hockey themed gay porn.
Speaker 1: Great, all right, fine, basically I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean softcre obviously softcore, right, I.
Speaker 2: Mean it was it was hot because HBO, like, okay,
Speaker 2: but you knows only for HBO.
Speaker 1: It's a little disappointing.
Speaker 2: Actually, there was only so much of it that I
Speaker 2: cared to watch, right because you know, I know, but
Speaker 2: it got good, right, it got good?
Speaker 1: No, it really at the end of the season. It
Speaker 1: got really good once.
Speaker 2: It reached deeper than the superficial.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the last couple episodes, but you need the rest
Speaker 1: of it to build to that. I think I agree,
Speaker 1: But I was getting it was getting tedious to me
Speaker 1: because it was just like a chronology of they get
Speaker 1: together and then time passes, and then they get together
Speaker 1: and time passes, and their rivals. But yeah, the last
Speaker 1: come here, go away, Come here, go away. Right, got
Speaker 1: got really good.
Speaker 2: That's the ship I hate, and maybe cry it was
Speaker 2: it and the end is worth it, the journey is
Speaker 2: worth it.
Speaker 1: It is And then you have a note here, Hudson
Speaker 1: Williams says, closeted pro athletes have d m him.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah since the show aired. Okay, yeah, and there
Speaker 2: the same thing it's like we can't come out, but
Speaker 2: we do appreciate, you know, the realistic portrayal of the show.
Speaker 1: Right right, Okay, okay, because I do. Yeah, And it's
Speaker 1: not just.
Speaker 2: Hockey but baseball players, football players.
Speaker 1: Right right, because and you do get a taste of that,
Speaker 1: you get a you know, and a more understanding of that,
Speaker 1: you know, in masculinity and what we have to say
Speaker 1: about masculinity. And the last couple episodes made it worth it.
Speaker 2: NHL, the Hockey League is the only men's pro league
Speaker 2: to never have a current or former player publicly come
Speaker 2: out as gag.
Speaker 1: That is correct, which but maybe if you watch the
Speaker 1: last two episodes, you'll feel better, right right? It does good.
Speaker 1: Of course, if it's queer and it's anywhere available, we're
Speaker 1: going to watch it because, you know, while we still
Speaker 1: can right in Merca. But I like where it landed.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the next season. I think there's
Speaker 1: going to be one, right, Really, it's not confirmed. I
Speaker 1: thought I thought the next season was confirmed. I could
Speaker 1: be wrong. How would that work?
Speaker 2: Unless they follow I don't think it's so far different?
Speaker 1: People? No, are we stick with Yeah? You could stick
Speaker 1: with them? I mean I don't know. I'll watch it.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong anyway, watch it. Yeah, I like
Speaker 1: where it ended. It made me feel good about life,
Speaker 1: and you know, we need more of that, not less.
Speaker 1: On the flip side of that, on the flip side
Speaker 1: of that, we finally watched the Ditty reckoning. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: fifty cents Petty, Oh my, Like, what do we even
Speaker 1: call that? I opening, disturbing, unsettling. Where to leave you?
Speaker 2: I mean, none of what I saw was really surprising.
Speaker 2: I didn't really learn anything like details, but you know,
Speaker 2: it's like, for years I've heard about how Diddy is
Speaker 2: like draconian about his contracts and the way he treats
Speaker 2: artists and artists not getting paid and artists being intimidated.
Speaker 2: Now the lengths to which this intimidation went, I okay,
Speaker 2: I did learn a little bit there, and it's it's
Speaker 2: a shame because you know, he definitely did work hard
Speaker 2: to get where he was, but once he got there,
Speaker 2: it's like he forgot how to be human.
Speaker 1: You know, It's.
Speaker 2: It's a lot's he deserves to be where he's at.
Speaker 1: So I guess if I was going to ask a quote,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how to formulate it because
Speaker 1: one of the things that I think we did discuss
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know what of the idea we
Speaker 1: have so few success stories like his, and then there's
Speaker 1: the urge to not tear them down because of that,
Speaker 1: because he's an example, a role model. And I mean,
Speaker 1: to me, I'm just watching another human being be a
Speaker 1: human being. But there is that notion, you know, like
Speaker 1: there goes another hero.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that I would ever have called
Speaker 2: Didy a hero.
Speaker 1: Though some dude, some would, well, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because there is that whole thing of black exceptionalism and.
Speaker 1: If he can do it, so might I.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you got to look at
Speaker 2: black excellence, but also like how did he get there?
Speaker 2: And one could argue there's never been a billionaire that
Speaker 2: got there by being completely ethical and reputable the entire time.
Speaker 2: And I say that knowing that Beyonce.
Speaker 1: Is a billionaire. So is Rihanna. Rihanna's a billionaire. Taylors
Speaker 1: with she got knocked around by Chris Brown, speaking of
Speaker 1: what we saw that documentary too, We did, we watched
Speaker 1: that too. Now that being said, let me backtrack a
Speaker 1: little bit on what I just said, because.
Speaker 2: Like I'm thinking of Rihanna and Beyonce, it is possible
Speaker 2: that they could have amassed that amount of money organically
Speaker 2: because like with Rihanna, you have your music sales, but
Speaker 2: she also has her her her makeup, her beauty line,
Speaker 2: her laingerie line. Like, organically it could happen. I guess
Speaker 2: same with Beyonce. Besides the music, there's the the tours,
Speaker 2: there's the perfume, there's the hair care, there's the clothing line.
Speaker 1: It's possible. Well, and you've talked about, you know, one
Speaker 1: of the most ethical people in music in terms of sampling. Oh,
Speaker 1: you're getting folks paid well, just like T. S.
Speaker 2: Madison just posted because her voice was used on cos
Speaker 2: one of the tracks on the Renaissance album really and
Speaker 2: so because of that, TS Madison is listed as.
Speaker 1: A songwriter, which is what Beyonce does for everyone, right,
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: And that particular track has just reached one million units.
Speaker 2: So now TS Madison is a songwriter of a song
Speaker 2: that has reached one million units sold, So she gets
Speaker 2: a plaque, she gets you know what I'm saying, Like they.
Speaker 1: All love that part of that. I love that, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: but that's what I'm saying right. That's someone who goes
Speaker 1: out of her way right to make that happen, right,
Speaker 1: so you know, to kind of and you know, make
Speaker 1: up for all the time that people did all the
Speaker 1: work and you know the record company made the money, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. I do appreciate that. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: used to be. So she's making other people wealthy while she.
Speaker 2: Gets right, which is why I'm more inclined to believe that,
Speaker 2: you know, she might have achieved her billionaire status organically,
Speaker 2: if that's possible.
Speaker 1: Perhaps we could talk about men who are billionaires versus women.
Speaker 2: Yea, her husband for instance, we all know he started
Speaker 2: with drug money.
Speaker 1: Sure so, but that's yeah, But I mean I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about that about what you what. I'm talking about Diddy,
Speaker 1: who was kind of a shit human.
Speaker 2: Being, right, Oh yeah? Did he got to billionaire status
Speaker 2: because he never gave any of the money to his
Speaker 2: own That's different. He kept it all. If you're only
Speaker 2: paying one person and that person is yeah, you can
Speaker 2: be a millionaire.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about that, Okay. The hesitancy. You know, sometimes
Speaker 1: we have right to tell the truth about a human right,
Speaker 1: because they're both dynamic and terrible. Yeah, two things can
Speaker 1: be true at the same time they can we know
Speaker 1: several right show, Yeah, but we've participated in that, like well,
Speaker 1: you know, if they're vict don't want to speak out,
Speaker 1: who are we to, you know, because they also do
Speaker 1: great things for the community. It happens, whatever the community,
Speaker 1: it happens, you know.
Speaker 2: And how many checks did Bill Cosby write to support
Speaker 2: educational institutions so did.
Speaker 1: The Yeah, perhaps I'm getting too philosophical, and it means
Speaker 1: we need to.
Speaker 2: So the last thing on our list we watched last night,
Speaker 2: One Battle after Another, which I have been trying to
Speaker 2: get you to watch forever.
Speaker 1: It was very good.
Speaker 2: I thoroughly enjoyed it. I'm still not sure how we
Speaker 2: have all this Oscar buzz over Leonardo DiCaprio over Michael B. Jordan,
Speaker 2: who played not one, not two, but three parts true,
Speaker 2: but you know, but Leonardo DiCaprio played like a version.
Speaker 1: Of the do So therefore it was good. It was
Speaker 1: very good. It was good. It was an interesting twist
Speaker 1: and layers, and I'm not sorry I watched it.
Speaker 2: No, and the movie is damn near three hours long.
Speaker 2: It is two hours and forty something minutes. I'm aware
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like it though, like the pacing of
Speaker 2: the story, it did not feel like also well, it
Speaker 2: didn't drag, but he had to keep pausing and doing
Speaker 2: things right.
Speaker 1: But I was aware that it was three hours. I
Speaker 1: was aware that it was over two hours. It did.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it drug, No, I'm just saying I
Speaker 1: was aware of the length.
Speaker 2: But it didn't feel as long as I don't.
Speaker 1: Feel like I've wasted my time.
Speaker 2: Right, What was the John we watched last year also
Speaker 2: with Leonardocaprio about the murders and the Native American reservation,
Speaker 2: The Killers of the Flower Moon.
Speaker 1: That movie was four hours long.
Speaker 2: Again, very good. Don't regret watching it. It was fabulous.
Speaker 2: I felt that time. Not saying it drug, I'm just
Speaker 2: saying it was long. This the pacing was a little faster.
Speaker 1: A little bit.
Speaker 2: It was still long, but still I highly recommend it.
Speaker 2: At the end of it, I went, Okay, Tiana Taylor
Speaker 2: like she put in work.
Speaker 1: I mean again, we could argue best film. Mmm, but good.
Speaker 1: It was good. Yeah, I liked it. I thought it was. Yes.
Speaker 1: Michael Patrot Michael B. Jordan played three characters. He needs
Speaker 1: to win all the awards, one would think, but who
Speaker 1: knows because I forgot.
Speaker 2: But yeah, because everyone always says he's playing two roles
Speaker 2: because he's playing twins, we forget. He also played one
Speaker 2: of the twins as a vampire.
Speaker 1: Which is a different character. That's right. Also true, three characters,
Speaker 1: also true. Child.
Speaker 2: Anyway, this has been a jam packed.
Speaker 1: We've been all over the place. Don't record for a
Speaker 1: month exactly. We really are going to try to get
Speaker 1: the back to this being more regular. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll add fiber and I don't know water. Let's see
Speaker 1: what happens. But in the meantime, we're also doing self care. Yes,
Speaker 1: we also paused to enjoy the holidays and friends and
Speaker 1: loved ones. Yeah, and launch a merchandise line. Yes, it's
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