Speaker 1: If you've had a big foot siding it would like
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Speaker 2: My name is Lance. People call me Lance a lot.
I'm from Vermont, upstate New York, right on the border
my background. I'm actually an Army infantry veteran and I
was a detective and a sergeant in the police department.
I retired after eleven years, so I had almost two
decades between the military and law enforcement. And I have
been an avid outdoorsman my entire life, hunting and fishing
and camping, spending time in the Green Mountain National Forest.
They had irondax and just all around, you know, in
the woods. Ever since I was a little boy, I've
always kind of had an interest in sasquatch. And I
was actually born in an area referred to as the
Bennington Triangle in Vermont, kind of like the Bermuda Triangle.
All sorts of weird stuff happens. But with that, it's
an area that's known for sasquatch. And it's not that
far from an area that's well known for sasquatch called Whitehall,
New York, and that's in Washington County in Washington County
is where I had my first experience about twenty years ago.
I was sixteen years old. So about twenty years ago,
I was a sixteen year old boy, and I was
hanging out with a couple of my buddies and my
mother and stepfather were gone for the weekend, so we
were going to do some partying and some stuff that
sixteen year old boys do that then I was supposed
to do. And that being said, we all wanted to
hang out with each other, just the guys and my
high school girlfriend at the time, she wanted to hang
out with us, but I wasn't really looking for that.
I just wanted to hang out with my buddies. So
after a while, she talked us into meeting her down
at Stewart's, which is like a local gas station kind
of coffee chain in upstate New York. And we met
down there for a little while, and then my two
buddies and I went back to my house and she
drove back to her house. Now where she resides in
Washington County is very rural. The population is between fifty
and sixty thousand, and it's I mean, it's over eight
hundred and fifty square miles and the northern part of
it's like the southern part of the Adirondacks, and the
entire eastern border of Washington County borders the state of Vermont.
And again, this area that we're around is in the
Bennington Triangle right on the Vermont border, in the Gray
Mountain National Forest. We, like I said, we we separate,
and I go with my buddies back home, and she
heads her way and where she lives up on a mountain,
up a dirt road, and uh, a short time after
I got home, she called the house phone and cell
phones were very big thing back then, as you know,
and she called me and she was in a panic,
crying and freaking out.
Speaker 3: And I asked her, well, what is going on with you?
What is going on?
Speaker 2: And she says, You're not going to believe me, but
I think I had a bigfoot. I'm like what, And
I legitimately ended up like hanging up the phone on her.
And again, I've always been, you know, kind of a
believer in this, but I really thought that she was
just kind of looking for attention because she wanted to
hang out with us.
Speaker 3: So she calls me back and she was mad.
Speaker 2: I hung up on her and she was very upset, crying,
and she tells me of the story. So she drove
a Dodge Stealth, was like an old like Tudor kind
of sports car. I mean, the thing was kind of
a pile, but it was a small, little Tudor sports car.
And she was driving up the dirt lane dirt rode
up the mountain and they're regrading the road, so like
people that aren't familiar with dirt roads, when dirt roads
get a bunch of potholes and stuff, and them they'll
come and they'll regrade and flat them back out, so
kind of tearing the road up a little bit. So
she was driving her car slow, and I remember she
said that there was a rabbit on the side of
the road and she's going up the mountain and she
kind of looked at the She was looking at the
rabbit as she was driving slow, and she said, all
of a sudden, something huge ran in front of her
car and it stopped her car.
Speaker 3: She hit it and it stopped her car.
Speaker 2: And she said she saw a huge hand reach out
and push itself up off the hood, stand up, and
then ran across the road and jumped over the bank.
And she was very worked up about this. So she
ended up talking my buddies and I into driving up
to her house. And we drove up there, and she
was visibly upset, shaking up, scared, and it was getting
later in the nighttime, so you know, I told her,
I was like, well, you dragged us all the way
out here and you supposedly hit a big foot. I
want you to bring me to the area and the
road where you hit this thing, because I wanted to investigate,
you know what I mean. And so my buddy was driving,
my one buddy and he had a buickless saber car,
like one of those big old boat cars. So she
reluctantly got in the vehicle and we drove down to
the place where she hit it. And it was hard
packed like dirt where they were tearing up, so there
was nothing really in the road, but there was something
over the bank, you know, it looked like something maybe
could have torn through the brush. And we have a
lot of black bears around here. They're everywhere, and we
all have grown up with black bears. I mean, the
police department would chase black bears out of the village
all the time. And there's black bears everywhere, so that
was my immediate thought, along with my buddies. So we
just figured it was a black bear. But she grew
up on a mountain and she swore it wasn't a
black bear.
Speaker 3: So we ended up.
Speaker 2: After we investigated, we had back up to the house
and I decided I was going to check her car
out see if there was any damage or anything of
that nature. And so we took some flashlights and went
and checked her car out, and on the hood of
her vehicle was this gigantic hamprint and the dust and
it was huge.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm not a.
Speaker 2: Giant guy, but I'm a decent sized guy, and I'm
like six to one. But my buddy that was with me,
he's much bigger than me, you know, his six three
sixty four, big man, huge hands. And as we're standing there,
we look at this hamdprint on the hood and we're.
Speaker 3: All looking at each other like what in the world.
Speaker 2: And my buddy, the gentleman that's much bigger than me,
he put his hand inside the handprint and it was
way bigger than his hand.
Speaker 3: And as soon as he did that, we heard.
Speaker 2: Like coming up from the hollow, like this blood curdling
scream like I had never heard anything like this before,
and honestly, it terrified my two buddies and I, and
we legitimately ran into the house, threw the their flashlights back,
and we peeled off out of there. I didn't even
say bye to her or nothing. That's how much this
scared us. Like this sound. It was this deep guttural
scream and it was I don't know, there's no other
way to explain it, and it sounded big. Well, we
ended up tearing out of there and had them back
to my house. And as soon as we get back
to my house, my buddies were shaken up about it,
and I instantly fired up the dial up internet and
got on and started looking up bigfoot audio and the
first one I clicked on sounded exactly like what we heard.
Speaker 3: And at that point I.
Speaker 2: Was completely vested, and so I said to my buddies that.
Speaker 3: We got to go back up there.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Neither one of them wanted to go back up there.
And my whole thought process as a sixteen year old boy,
was that we were going to hop in my single
cable beat up RAM fifteen hundred truck and we're going
to head up to the top of the lane where
we heard it up the mountain, and my whole thought
process behind it and it's sense changed. Obviously, this is
twenty years ago and now would never hurt anything. But
my ale haall idea was if it ran in front
of the vehicle again, I wanted to prove its existence
and so I wanted something better than as buick, and
I wanted my truck, and I was I was going
to hit it. And so because you can't prove its
existence without a body, that was always the theory before,
you know. So my buddies again they reluctantly got in
the truck and we went up there, stopped at the house,
and they had heard this thing scream a few more times.
And my girlfriend at the time, her mother, who was
a mountain woman, she heard it herself, and she initially
she was like, ah, it's just coyotes, and then she said, no,
that ain't kyots and she never heard nothing like that before.
So we get some flashlights and we end up driving
up the lane and I had a single cab truck
and so I'm driving and I'm watching the road and
my one buddy, he's in the center of the bench
seat and he's got a flashlight pointed out the driver's
side of the window, you know, shining in the woods.
And then my other buddy he's shining the flashlight out
of the passenger side of the vehicle. We drive up
the lane and we didn't see nothing going all the
way up the lane. But when we turned around and
came back, there's an old section of the road on
the side of the road where there was this.
Speaker 3: Real tall grass and.
Speaker 2: Like siumanc and stuff like that, and the grass had
to have been I don't know, four or five feet high,
and the vegetation on the side of the road. And
as we're driving back down towards the house, my buddy
that's shotting the flashlight out the driver's side window over
the top of me.
Speaker 3: He says, what is that?
Speaker 2: And I stopped the truck, and I don't know, a
couple of feet above this vegetation was this big red
glow like now I know his eye shine and it's
just one glow. And so I was able to kind
of back my truck up and shine my headlights on it.
And as I shine my headlights on it, you can
make out a silhouette big head shoulders, and it turned
its head, and now there was two eyes staring at
us and like this whole silhouette. And as soon as
we all saw that, I mean, I wasn't as tough anymore.
And my buddy started screaming, get out of here, Get
out of here, get out of here. And so I
barreled it off the mountain in my truck, just took
off and again we got back to the house and
we threw the flashlights in there and and we got
out of there, and.
Speaker 3: And that was. That was about the just of the experience.
Speaker 2: But my buddies that freaked them out for so long,
where I'd get calls from them in the middle of
the night. My one buddy in particular, he's like, dude,
I think I hear that thing out there, and it
terrified and you know the sound that we heard in
the whole experience, and and you know, we went from
thinking it was this big joke to it wasn't a
joke at all. And I have since not talked to
my friends about this particular incident in quite some time,
but uh, there's no doubt in my mind that we
saw something inexplainable that night. So I've had I had
several experiences in other states. Like I said, I've I've haunted,
and Harvard is the deer on public land in several
different states. And I can't recall how many years ago
specifically it was, but probably five or six years ago
I was hunting in the Shawnee State Forest. It's like
skilleda county in Ohio, south central Ohio, and I went
out there with a few buddies and we used to
go out every year and go bow hunting, and the
Shawnee Forest is quite vast, and I could have been
longer than that, maybe six, seven, eight years ago. I
can't recall exactly. We went out for probably four or
five years straight, but either way, it's uh, you know,
it's like a ten eleven twelve hour drive from here
in upstate New York. And my first time heading out there.
You know this is I was an adult, obviously, and
had done a lot more research about Bigfoot and Sasquatch
and you know, firm believer. And I set to my boat,
said do you think we'll see a grass man out here?
And he was like, well, what is a grass man?
And I explained to him, you know, they referred to
sasquatch as a grassman in Ohio, and he kind of
wrote it off and you know, made fun of it
and chuckled, you know, as some people do. Well, we uh,
we get to Ohio and we're all excited and we
get there in time to get an afternoon hunting, and
it's quite a vast piece of forest out.
Speaker 3: There in uh in Ohio. And there was four of
us total.
Speaker 2: It was my one buddy and then another buddy with
his father, was an older man that you know, is
very experienced in the woods. All these all these guys
that I was hung with are very experienced woodsmen.
Speaker 3: And so we go and we hunt the.
Speaker 2: First evening there, and uh, the plan was is that
I was going to stay kind of low and work
my way up this big holler, and uh, my buddy's dad,
he was going to stay somewhat near around me, but
this is all public land. And then my two other
buddies we're going to head up the ridge and we
were all going to meet up, you know, when it
got dark.
Speaker 3: And so we.
Speaker 2: Hunt, you know, all evening, no issues or anything like that.
And at the end of the evening, I packed my
gear up and go meet up with my buddy's dad
and we're waiting off the trail for those other two.
Speaker 3: And so then my.
Speaker 2: Buddy and his father, they're standing there with me and
we're waiting for other buddy to come off the ridge.
And that same kind of guttural scream, like bark scream,
and we're a ways from everything. We hear that same
kind of thing that I heard before, and my one
buddy looks right at me as soon as a happy
He's like, la, it's what is that?
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 2: And that's kind of truckling. I'm like, what do you
think it is?
Speaker 3: Buddy?
Speaker 2: I was like, you guys are all making fun of me.
It was like it was probably a grassman. And it
really concerned my buddy to the point where he thought
it was our other friend coming down the mountain, coming
down the ridge. And he's said, Art's yelling for him,
and I'm like, what are you doing. He goes, We've
got to make sure he's all right. You got to
make sure he's all right, make sure that's not him.
And so we use they're called Garman Rhino radio. It's
like a walkie talkie, but it also has like a
GPS on it and then you can talk, you know,
like back and forth, and the range is is quite far,
several miles.
Speaker 3: So he's like, can you get him on the radio.
Speaker 2: So I tried to getting him on the radio and
he answers and I said, hey, you all right, and
he says, yeah, I'm fine. Why he's like, you didn't
hear that? He goes, no idea what you're talking about.
So I was like, all right, well, he's making his
way and put my radio away and it's dark at
this point.
Speaker 3: Put my radio away. Since I put my radio away again,
it starts. Did we hear it again? You know this?
Speaker 2: This this scream and my buddy once again. He's like,
can you get him on the radio. Make sure he's
all right, And he literally starts taking up off the
trail because he's that concerned.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 2: Again get him on the radio. Is like, I have
no idea what you're talking about. I didn't hear it.
Speaker 3: We all heard it. The three of us down there.
We heard it a couple of times.
Speaker 2: And so he finally rallies up with us and and
we're all talking and he didn't hear it, but the
three of us heard it, and it was incredibly loud. Well,
you know, the rest of the week goes on, and
my buddy, my one buddy, had set up some trail
cameras and he had a huge buck on camera. And
this again is all public lan and so getting game
plans together every day. You know, with these GPS's that
we use, every time you kee up on the radio,
you can see somebody's location.
Speaker 3: In that way, it helps us keep track of each
other as well.
Speaker 2: So you know, these guys kind of mess with me
about the whole bigfoot thing the entire time we're down there.
Speaker 3: And after my.
Speaker 2: Buddy had got that big picture or that picture of
that big buck, he said that that's where he was
going to spend the rest of his time hunting, you know,
trying to harvest that buck. And so one night when
we're up camp, I uh, you know, those guys are
picking on me, and I said, I told him, I said,
do I know exactly where you're hunting?
Speaker 3: I said, I guarantee you right now.
Speaker 2: I'll do a little research and I can find a
sasquatch story about that area that you're going to be
and guarantee it. So they're all laughing and chuck lund. Well,
I end up finding a story and I read it
to those guys, and this place is called Picnic Point,
and I read the story and the story was that
this guy and this girl went up to the top
of Picnic Points, very vast areas, pretty rugged train and
you know, there they were, you know, boyfriend girlfriend went
up to this point and late at night to hang
out Picnic Points top of this hill, which is you know,
kind of like a small mountain. And they said that
they're up there and they're sitting, you know, talking, and
that the whole woods went quiet, and a sasquatch had
come out, run out of the woods and slapped the
top of their their vehicle, and it scared them and
they saw it and they peeled out of there. And
so those guys where, you know, they're joking like ha ha.
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey man, I.
Speaker 2: Was like, there's the stuff like this that happens all
the time around here. Well, fast forward next day, I
was hunting as the crow flies probably you know, seven
or eight miles from from those two, and you know,
you're a distance back. You know, we're going in and
you're hiking in some places a mile mile back in
the public land. And so I'm up in my climber
tree stand, I was hunting at a tree stand at
that point, climber tree stand. And as I said before,
every time you hit the radio, it keys up with
the location. So I'm sitting at my tree stand and
all of a sudden, my radio keeps going off, blop blop,
bloop bloploop, and it's my same buddy, over and over
and over again. And I can't hear what he's saying
because it's too far out of out of the distance,
but I can see it keeps saying position updated, Position updated,
And I had just figured that he must have been
sitting on his radio and kept you know, hitting the
mic over and over and over again, and so I
kind of just played it off, didn't really think nothing
of it. And there's no cell phone service to talk
or anything like that. So hunt the rest of the
day and we you know, we go in in the
dark and the am, and then he stay all day
and then you're walking out of the woods in the dark.
Speaker 3: So I didn't talk to these guys all day.
Speaker 2: Well, once my buddy and I get back to camp
and meet up with a father and son duo, they said, Lance,
you're not gonna believe what happened. So they tell me
that it was the father and son. Do that we
heard that that thing scream at us together? Well, the
son he said that he was sitting up in his
tree and he was hunting out of his saddle, and
he said, you know, Lance, that thing that screamed at
us the other day. He goes, I heard it again,
and he said it was so loud. He goes that
I almost like fell out of the tree. He goes,
that's how much it scared me.
Speaker 3: He said. I kept keying up.
Speaker 2: The radio trying to get a hold of my dad,
and I couldn't get a hold of him. So he's like,
I end up getting out the tree and actually trying
to find him to make sure he was all.
Speaker 3: Right, and uh so, then my buddy is dead.
Speaker 2: It was like, I mean, I got to back up
a little bit because when I was telling him the
story about, you know, seeing a sasquatch up around that area,
and they're joking with me, I just told him, I said, well,
if you guys get a rock flying at you in
the middle of the woods, you just know it ain't
somebody messing with you. As a sasquatch they throw rocks
and you know, and they're ha ha, you got real
funny blah blah blah. Well my buddy is dead, he says, Lance,
You're not gonna believe what happened. He goes, I was
sitting there on this hillside, and you know beautiful I am.
And he said, all of a sudden, he said, it's
just completely silent, and he goes, I got this eerie
feeling over me. And he goes, I'm telling you, all
I could think about was that story that you were
telling me, he goes, and I swear on everything. And
this man spent a lot of time in the woods,
and this father and son duo traveled the country like
literally hunting different places. He says, Lance, I'm sitting there
and it's completely silent, and he says, a rock comes
flying through the trees and lands right next to him,
right next to him. And now he didn't hear it scream,
but he had the rock fly next to him, had
this eerie feeling something was washing him and it freaked
him out.
Speaker 3: Like both of those guys that freaked him out.
Speaker 2: And they were all worked up about it, and they
swear that it happened. I didn't experience it with him
that day, but they were both they said it happened.
And on my other buddy he was still a skeptic,
but on our way back he says, you know, I'm
not believing in it, but I think the other two
I think.
Speaker 3: They're firm believers now.
Speaker 2: And like I said, he swears that he had a
rock thrown at him, and that one that screamed at him,
he said it was louder than the one that we.
Speaker 3: All had heard together.
Speaker 2: And so that that happened in Ohio, and uh, that's
was several witnesses there. And I do have one more
experience that was probably the closest call that I've had,
and that happened a couple of years ago in Vermont,
in the Green Mountain National Forest, in the Bennington Triangle,
which any of the listeners said, if you all want
to look it up, the Bennington Triangles in Bennington, Vermont,
Green Mountain National Forest. I talk about Sasquatch, They talk
about strange lights, they talk about you know, little people
like there's like they.
Speaker 3: Talk about puck wedgies.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're familiar, but I grew up
listening to stories about the little people in the mountains,
and they talk about Sasquatch. You know, they say, quote
unquote snatching people out of the woods there. But it
was a couple summers ago. I was dating this woman
and she lived in the Bennington Triangle in the middle
of nowhere, and in the evening times we sent her
back porch at night. Well, she had lived there for
several years and never had any interactions, never any weird
experiences anything like that. Well, I was sitting on her
back porch one evening, just normal summer evening. It was dark,
and I hear one start chattering on the hillside. I
didn't know what it was. But if if you know
your listeners are familiar with Ron Moorehead and the Sierra sounds,
you know, the Samurai sounds. The chatter, that's what it sounds.
Likes are like as ridiculous as it sounds, you know
how the chatters and it's like deep you can tell
us a large creature. And I hear the one and
I'm like, what in the world. I instantly I knew,
but I didn't say nothing. And then there was two
of them and they were chattering back and forth, like
on both sides of this hill in the middle of nowhere,
in the air the specific area is called Glossombury Mountain
and the banks and triangle. So I listened to him
for a while, and I sat there, silent on her porch,
and I was just waiting for one to literally, you know,
walk and approach me. That's what I was waiting. I
was watching the trees and I was hoping that my
eyes were justice enough, and I swear I was going
to see one like it was. I had never heard
anything like that in terms of the chatter, but it
sounds just like the syir nevad it sounds. So I
didn't say anything to the girl that I was that
I was seeing an her house, so I don't want
to freak her out. Well, the next night, we're both
sitting out there and they start doing it again. They
start chattering, and she looks at me and she said,
what is that?
Speaker 3: What is that? What is that?
Speaker 2: And I said, I said, I think it's sasquatch is talking.
This the only thing I explained, and she's like, I
have lived here for X amount of years. She's like,
I never heard nothing like that before. It freaked her
out so much she went in the house. I sat
out there and I listened to it for a while,
and they chattered for a while and then it stopped. Well,
curiosity got, you know, the best of me, and I
wanted to investigate. So it was like a day or
two later I had it out in that area where
they were. And I mean, I'm the kind of guy
I don't wear shoes, you know, in the wintertime, I
fo to wear shoes, unfortunately in the snow. But I'm
running around the mountains and everybody tell you I'm running
around the mountains barefoot all the time. I'm out in
the woods. And that's just how I am. Kind of wild.
That's why, you know, all my social media stuff, I
say stay wild all the time, because I'm kind of
a wild man. Well, I went out and I actually
I found a trackway and I had posted a video
about this on my original TikTok account before that TikTok
account got banned and this and like I said, I'm
about six foot one and this trackway was going across
the field and I put my foot and I wear
a size fourteen shoe and the track was bigger than mine.
The decompression in the in the in the soil, and
I had to stretch my feet out as far as
I could, like in a stride in order to walk
in this trackway. It was absolutely wild, and I filmed
a video about it, and that video might still be
on YouTube. I'm not sure. I know it does have
some profanity in it, but I uh, I recorded it,
and I showed like how far the trackway was stretched
out and everything, and you know, my experience as a detective,
I was gonna I want to come back and plaster
cast it. And you know, I'm I have experienced doing
plaster casts and stuff.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 2: I was an evidence technician and police photographer, professionally trained.
So I make that little video of the trackway. And
this was a very like still summer day, very still
summer day that you know, very very light breeze, nothing,
you know, not windy by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 3: And I make a little video.
Speaker 2: And as soon as I put my phone in my
pocket and I start walking towards the tree line, vic
a gigantic tree, probably seventy five yards from me gets
pushed over, completely silent, pushed over, and the.
Speaker 3: Hair in the back of my neck stood up.
Speaker 2: And I just took that as I'm like, okay, I
am leaving now, and I pulled out my phone, and
I and I and I, you know, I was recording,
like talking into it, trying to shine the phone behind me,
because I've seen where people have said, if you feel
like you know you have one watching you, you know,
pull out your phone, record like you're taking a selfie,
like taking a video, and maybe you'll catch one walking
behind you or ducking behind you, you know, picking it
up that way. And so I pulled out my phone
and I started walking the opposite direction because I took
that as a sign to get out of the area.
You know, I didn't feel like they were threatening me,
like they were going to hurt me. It was just
enough of a warning to say, hey, we're over here,
why don't you just turn around head back, And so
that's exactly what I did, and I pulled up my phone.
I was like, I don't care what anybody has to say.
They just put the tree over right over there, and
I'm getting out of here. And I kept the phone
going the entire time that I walked out of the woods.
And that particular woman that I was dating said that
she's like, I'm never She was like, I will never
go in the woods with you again, because every time
you go out looking for something, you find it.
Speaker 3: And that was that was the wildest experience.
Speaker 2: And I wish I would have thought to record, you know,
the samurai chatter, that that chattering sound of those two
back and forth. But I was just in the moment
and just listening to it. And I mean I've gone
up and into the National Force there that Saint Mary
and Bennington Triangle, and I've taken videos at tree breaks,
you know where they're at my head level six foot
and you know, trees are just snapped, and you know
how they mark their their trails and their territories.
Speaker 3: But I'm a firm believer, and there's a lot of
them around.
Speaker 2: And again Whitehall, New York is just north of me here,
and they talk about the Beast of a bear Road.
I mean small Town Monsters has done documentaries They're finding
Bigfoot has done shows up there. There's been several different
documentaries made.
Speaker 3: Then people want to look it up.
Speaker 2: The Beast of a bear Road A B A I R.
I believe that's how you spell it with a Beast
of abe air road. There's a notorious sighting in the
seventies where it's state police sheriff's officers in Whitehall Police Department.
We're chasing around a sasquatch in the village Whitehall for
a couple of days with numerous eyewitnesses. So this area
here has a lot of excitings and there's a lot
of people that have seen stuff around here, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: It sure sounds like that's the case. When you were
serving our country in the Army Infantry lance, did you
take any special courses on tracking? If you did, do
you use any of those techniques that you learned when
you're out doing field investigations?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was in the light infantry, so
you're out in the field, you know, and it's you
obviously learned land navigation and you spend a lot of
time in the woods training that way tracking though, Like
my whole family are hunters, and I mean I started
hunting deer in Vermont when I was old enough to
hold a shotgun. So it's been the majority of my life.
And again I've harvested deer and several states on public land.
I end up going actually going back to Ohio and
I harvested a beautiful buck about a mile and a
half in a big mature buck with my bow a
couple of years ago, a few years back, and all
these skills you know that you learn throughout your life,
definitely applying all of them. But just I think in
a big way is that they they pick and choose
who they want to interact with. Also because they can
feel energy and intent, and you know, it's all energetic
beings and you know people, you know, a lot of
people think that they're a gigantipith kiss, there's some sort
of primate. I come from the train of thought where
I think that they're an ancient humanoid species and they
are all so as wild as it seems. And I
know people are talking about this more but more interdimensional,
and they have the ability to use mind speak and
sense energy, energy, vibration, resonance, intent, those kind of things.
Speaker 3: And there's been.
Speaker 2: Several people, I mean a lot of people are talking
about it now. More people are talking about it now
about their ability to mind speak and speak telepathically.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that they're far more in tune.
Speaker 2: With nature and than we are, because we are much
more disconnected these days and we were in ancient times,
if that makes sense. Have you heard people talk like
that before?
Speaker 1: Vick, Paul, I've been doing this for years and years,
started doing this back in two thousand and seven. So yeah,
I've heard tons of people talk about that and experiencing
that sort of thing, and I used to pooh poo it,
but you can only talk with so many very credible
eyewitnesses we tell you about experiencing something like that before
it actually sinks in and you think, go, well, yeah,
there's got to be something to this. Yeah, I do
believe that there's something to that. I wouldn't be surprised
in the least if they are spiritual beings with all
sorts of abilities that we just don't even understand it
probably never will. So I do believe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, And I'm right there with you, Vick, because
I always wrote it off too and I'm like, oh,
that's just a bunch of quackery. But the more you
listen to people and like you said, credible evidence, incredible
eyewitness statements, and there's just you look at the tatally
of the circumstances and you look at the patterns, and
there's so many times where it's very similar stories, you know,
talking about orbs and balls of light and even lights
in the sky and you know Native Americans and you know,
different cultures all speak about the same way as well,
so there's definitely something to that, and them being connected
and being much more connected and in tune than we are.
Speaker 1: Well, I agree with everything you said here. There's way
too much there there for that to be nonsense. There
definitely has to be something to that, in my opinion,
at least. When your girlfriend called you that day to
tell you about her hitting that big foot, you said
that you didn't believe her. Was that because you didn't
think they were real or was it for another reason?
Speaker 3: No, I thought that they were real, but you don't.
Speaker 2: I mean back then I thought they were real, but
I didn't I didn't expect to have that experience firsthand.
And then I also thought that she was just trying
to get our attention with something preposterous, you know, because
she knew that I would talk about sasquatchery once in
a while, so I didn't know if it was like
an attention thing. But but as again, everything that happened,
obviously she wasn't making that up.
Speaker 3: And everything happens for a reason. And I think that.
Speaker 2: Sometimes, you know, even when you know, we doubt, I
think that's when we get our biggest proof, you know,
much like that with my friends that were in Ohio
with me, they all thought it was funny until it
wasn't funny anymore, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, Yeah, have an experience like that. Yeah, when
someone doesn't take you seriously, it gets kind of heated.
And speaking of that, how much blowback did you experience
from your girlfriend when you didn't believe it first?
Speaker 3: She was upset.
Speaker 2: I mean, she was yelling at me on the phone
and she was crying. It was like hysterical from everything
that I can recall, you know, And that my one buddy,
my buddy that you know he put his hand in
that handprint. He called me several times, and he lived
in the middle of nowhere, and he called me several
times and he was like, dude, I'm telling you, I
think I hear that thing again in it Like it
was almost like post traumatic stress for him.
Speaker 3: It freaked him out that bad.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure it did. Yeah, you're talking about a
guy who spent all that time in the woods thinking
he knows exactly what's out there and what's not thinks
he knows everything there is to know about the woods
and then all of a sudden he finds out that's
not the case, not the case at all. So I'm
sure it did shake him up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my high school buddy that got shaken up.
My hunting buddies. Every time I see them, they'll bring
it up and they call me the bigfoot guy. And
I mean, right now, I mean, my hat's got a
sasquatch on it. I have a sasquatch tattoo on my calf. Meanwhile,
I was a detective. People had a placard.
Speaker 3: Made for me. It's aid Detective Sasquatch.
Speaker 2: And I spoke quite candidly about all this stuff, and
even people that didn't believe, and even you know, like
law enforcement officers and stuff professionals, they say, Lance, you know,
I'm not.
Speaker 3: A believer, but you do. You do present a very
good case.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, if we're looking at the same
scope of practice and the same lens that we would
in the in the practice of law, then this is
how we're presenting this. We have the evidence and we
have the receipts. It's like, it's you all that need
to open your eyes to what's going on here.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you what's even funnier than that.
A lot of these people who it seems like they
don't take it all that seriously. I'll bet you a
lot of them are hooked on the top, but you
just would never know because they don't let that out
of the bag exactly.
Speaker 3: No, absolutely.
Speaker 2: And I have another some friends up north that I
used to camp with, and they're much older than me,
but they lived Whitehall Ford N Line up around that
same area in northern Washington County, and they swear that
one ran across the road in front of them, and
Ford N went right one night, so that looked like
a huge gorilla, and they swore up and down. And
they also swear that they saw a champ which is
a completely different cryptid, but it's a Lake Champlain has
a sea serpent, a sea monster, and it's been documented
since the beginning of documentation. But the Abenaki tribes there
they called it the you know, a horned serpent.
Speaker 3: Shamuel D.
Speaker 2: Samplain talked about the quote unquote explorer that founded Lake Champlain,
but lots of people talk about it.
Speaker 3: Some people there is that it's a pleasia sore, but they.
Speaker 2: Have done echo location in sonar, and they have gotten
responses and it's it's almost like whales sonar that they're
picking up in the lake and they swear that they
saw one of those two. There's quite a few people
up around that area. And again Whitehall, the south basin
of Lake Champlain is in Whitehall, the same area where
all the sasquatch sightings are. And actually it was like
like Barnum and Bailey Circus. P. T. Barnum, he put
a bounty out for champ in Whitehall years ago. I
wanted to put it in the circus, wanted people to
kill one so we could put it on display. So
it's a very interesting area up here in upstate New York.
Speaker 1: Well, i'd say it is. He has a lot of
interesting things going on up there. Absolutely, are you still
in contact with that girlfriend who hit the sasquatch? And
if you are, what are your thoughts on that experience? Now?
Does she wear it like a bad javannor or does
she still hate the fact that she did that.
Speaker 3: I haven't talked to her in years.
Speaker 2: I joined the army when I was seventeen years old
and shipped out and I'm going overseas and stuff, and
we lost contact years ago, so I haven't talked to
her about that in many years.
Speaker 1: I see, Yeah, I wondered if you were still in contact.
So I understand when you went back up to the
place where she had hit it, you said that you're
planning to hit it yourself. So that would make it
really easy to prove their existence if it ever actually happened.
But I'm wondering that's how you felt back then, that
was your mindset back then at the time present day,
would you still go to those lengths to prove their
existence or have you kind of backed off? No.
Speaker 2: I would never hurt one, and I'd advise that anybody
that comes across one in the woods, if they do
have a firearm, do not point it at them. Know
what weapons are, and I do believe that they will
defend their young.
Speaker 3: And I you.
Speaker 2: Know sasquatch being that they're sabe however you want to
refer to it. They all have different personalities and I
think that there could be some that are aggressive, and
there's even military documentation like survival pamphlets from like the
seventies or the Air Force list sasquatch as a dangerous
species that you could encounter, like in California. I'm not
saying that they're all dangerous, but I think that's one
of the reasons why the government denies their existence, is
because they do exist, and I think that people do disappear.
But I also think it's because sometimes people pose a
threat to them, you know, with a firearm pointing it
at them, and they defend their defend themselves and defend
their young. They're they're super highly advanced and highly intelligent.
It's not some ape running around in the woods, you know,
like some people would want to believe. I think that
they're highly advanced, but I would never kill one. I
would never harm one. And again it's with intent and
it's all energy and vibration, and just like with animals
and stuff, and like dogs, like they can they can
sense your fear in that sense, no matter what you
see one in the woods, it's probably going to be terrifying.
And there's a lot of people that testify that it's
going to be terrifying. And I think that there's different
kind of subspecies of them. You know, you hear about
larger ones up north, but then like down in Texas,
some of them are more aggressive and and then like
you have the skun cape where they're they're different sizes
and they all look a little bit different, you know,
But no, I would.
Speaker 3: I would never hurt one.
Speaker 2: And even if you wanted to defend yourself against one,
I don't think there's anything that you.
Speaker 3: Really could do.
Speaker 2: But I would just advise people not to be aggressive
towards them because I think that's that's when things go bad.
Speaker 3: And if you're in the woods and.
Speaker 2: This is something that you know, people that are listening,
and you know hunters especially, you know, I could go
into the woods a thousand times and not feel anything
but that thousand and one time when you're walking through
the woods and you can feel eyes on you as
if you're being watched, like the hair in the back
of your neck standing up. I think that that's them
telling you that you're there there, And this is where
it gets, you know, very spiritual, and I'm a very
spiritual man. But it's all energy, it's all vibration, and
it's all intent. And I think they'll let you know
when they're there a lot of times.
Speaker 3: And if you do.
Speaker 2: Get stuff thrown at you, you know, you do get
bluff charged, or they do knock down trees, it's best
just to turn around and go away, because I think
that they're kind of nomadic and semi nomadic, and I
move through areas and you think about it, just like us,
they don't want anybody messing with them, and not not
for nothing, but humans are incredibly destructive, and so I
think we're far more of a threat to them than
they aren't to us, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: In a lot of ways, I think that's the case.
But in the woods, I think they're a much bigger
threat to us than we are to them. But I'm
talking about the potential when it comes to actually being
a threat. I don't think they normally would go out
of the way to harm us, But like you laid out,
I'm sure there are plenty of deviant examples where if
they do get the opportunity, they will do something unfortunate
to you. So, yeah, like you said, it's a good
idea to be careful out there.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, And there's I mean you can go out
and you know tree breaks. I mean they make there's designs,
there's there's tree breaks, there's do you go out and look,
there's probably more evidence than what most people realize, you know,
in certain areas have you know, more evidence than others obviously,
but if you're up in an area like the at
and aroundex I mean there's a few you know, quote
unquote big foot hunters around her. They're not trying to physically,
you know, harm one on it, but they're looking for
sasquatch and there's they found plenty of evidence. I mean,
you hear it every single day, so you know about
all the evidence that exists. But there's plenty of evidence
to suggest I mean that we know that they're real.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, Yeah, they're definitely out there. That's all there
is to that. You've been doing this for a long time.
Lance with that in mind, what's the most extreme thing
you've ever done to try to have a sighting or
to at least have an encounter.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I I'll go out into the woods
barefoot by myself, leave my cell phone, because I think
that they can pick.
Speaker 3: Up on that.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just like a energy vibration and frequency.
I know, I keep saying it over and over and
over again, but you know people talk about out sell cameras. Well,
they can see the EMF, they can see they can
see the U or feel the EMF coming from them
in the infrared, and so they know it's there and
then they can sense it. It's it's literally like you know,
like the sixth sense. So I'll go into the woods barefoot,
being like a sasquatch without my cell phone, up in
the mountains, and uh, you know, I'll do my hoots
and my hollers and and uh, you.
Speaker 3: Know, try to get a response.
Speaker 2: But I don't ever feel and I know that there's
been plenty of times where they've watched me and you
can feel, like I said, those eyes. But I guess
being up in the up in the mountains all by
yourself with no phone and you know, just being yourself,
I guess, and showing the intent.
Speaker 3: But that's I mean, that's wild enough in itself.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, if that isn't wild enough, it's wild
enough until something wilder comes along, which won't happen all
that often, that's for sure. I'd say, you think they
select you they interact with. When you had that experience
in the Bennington Triangle a couple of summers ago, when
you said you were sitting out on that porch with
your girlfriend at her house, she said that was the
first time she had ever heard anything like that, I e.
Her hearing them vocalize the way they did. After having
that experience out there with you, did she move right
away or did she stay there still for some time?
Speaker 2: She's still there, and I mean I don't see her anymore,
but that was the only time she ever experienced or
anything like that.
Speaker 3: And I mean.
Speaker 2: It sounds wild, and people can think it's wild, but again,
I think everything happens for a reason. And I think,
much like the amazing work that you're doing talking to
witnesses and having your own experiences, is that there is
going to be a bridge in communication at some point.
I really do believe that, and I think that's why
they reveal themselves to certain people and they can tell
and they know and this goes deeper than any of
us could even fathom, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Oh No, I think they do really pick and choose
who is allowed to see them, unless they really slip
up and they reveal themselves to someone who they didn't
plan to do so, Like you said, I think they
really are selective on who they allowed to see them.
But with that in mind, do you think the Sasquatch
you heard that night when you were sitting on the
porch with your girlfriend. Do you think that all happened
for your benefit? It wouldn't have happened, in other words,
if you wouldn't have been sitting there on her porch,
or do you think it was just dumb luck.
Speaker 2: I think it was for my benefit because it's even
sparked that experience in themselves even sparked more of a
passionate and desire to I want to prove along with you,
just like you do. I want to prove to all
the naysayers that these things are real. And like I
picked myself up a Nikon P eleven hundred camera which
has an incredible optical zoom on it, and I fully
intend to get some pictures of it and some high
definition photographs that nobody's going to be able to refute.
And I think that with my background, my training and experience,
I was an expert witness for the State of New York,
you know, trained and police photography, trained in evidence collection.
They wrote letters about my integrity. And it's not to
toot my own horn, but I think that with my
background and my forte, if I bring a legitimate picture,
then who's going to refute that you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Well, now, since AI is so advanced, in my opinion,
pictures and videos don't mean all that much anymore. It's
just gotten that much harder to prove their existence. So
that's just one of those things, another object to throw
in the pile of objects and barriers that you're going
to have to overcome if you ever do want to
prove their existence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's and that's part of it, I guess,
for the AI and all that nonsense. Which that kind
of the AI stuff really bugs me, especially in the
Bigfoot community, because you'll see stuff circulating and you can
tell that it's AI, and it discredits the work that
people are trying to do, and it can be frustrating.
Speaker 1: Oh very And it never ceases to amaze me how
many people believe in the crap it floats around out
there that's obviously fake, but they just buy into it,
hook line the sinker. But that's just how it is,
I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know that there's legitimate evidence, you know,
because everybody always says, well, hell come, there's not any
pictures of them. I'm like, well, I can show you
ten pictures or videos that I know are legitimate, but
you're just going to say they're not real anyway, So
what's the matter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. I've seen people come forward
with some really impressive evidence and they get harassed and
shot down left and right. So who's to blame them
for keeping the good stuff to themselves?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2: But again, all of us in this community, you know,
we're all we're all looking at this with the best
of intent, and there's a lot of good people and
the Sasquatch made the Bigfoot community of the cryptic community
that we just want to prove that they're real, not
for any other reason, but you know, we have to cohabitate,
like we're all in this together. And I do also
come from the trend of thought where I think that
there are certain units that you know, government units that
hunt these things down. And I've I've heard enough testimony
and seen enough evidence of that myself, you know, listening
to people talk about it, that this kind of stuff
gets suppressed.
Speaker 3: I really do think it gets suppressed. I think that
recreation and the national parks and all that.
Speaker 2: If it would really you know, it probably cut into
the the money that the government makes in these parks
and things if they say, well, hey, just so you know,
there's a giant humanoid, you know, species out here that
could possibly snatch you up if it wanted to. You know,
that might scarce and deter some people from going out
into the woods.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a pretty good chance of that.
In the government, they know what they're doing, So there's
their madness. Absolutely, you obviously want to prove their existence
to the masses. Lance you sit that just a bit
ago here, But do you investigate them more so to
prove their existence to the masses or more soed for
your own personal discovery.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know that they're real.
Speaker 2: Anybody that knows that's talked to me about this knows
that I know that they're real. And at the end
of the day, if people don't want to believe, I can't.
I can't convince anybody. They have to convince themselves. It's
just like any other evidence you can present at all
that at the end of the day, they have to
be the one that's gonna believe it, and you know.
Speaker 3: That lays within themselves.
Speaker 2: But it's also part of an awakening and an experience. Again,
if we could there's so many people I think that
know that they exist or think that something is out
there now that maybe I don't know, Maybe it wouldn't
make a huge difference. But the picture of the photograph it.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess just proving in general, proving in general that
they're there. You know, there's other things that are out there.
I mean, we could talk about so many different things. Wolfman,
you know, that's a whole other different thing. But I
don't know, I don't know. I just proven that they're real.
Proven we know that they're real. But there's that's the
whole thing. It's like a chink in the armor. If
they admit that Sasquatch is real, But what else they've
been lying about? You know what I'm saying. So I
think that's why they hold on to it. The government
knows that they're real, people know what they're real. You know,
there's so many people that have samples that you know
that colleges and universities they refuse to test.
Speaker 3: And why is that?
Speaker 2: Well, because they know that they got something and they
can't prove that it's real because it goes against the narrative.
Speaker 1: You mean, there's some kind of a covert effort out
there to keep their existence under wraps. Is that what
you're saying, Yes, yes, I do believe so, yeah, of
course they are. I agree. You've gone to some interesting
places to do your investigations, Lance, But what's your number
one must visit bucket list place to investigate them.
Speaker 2: I want to go out west, like to Washington and
northern California, getting out that.
Speaker 3: Way to check it out.
Speaker 2: That it's just that seems like a pretty cool place
to investigate. But I'd love I'd love to do some
international travel too, you know.
Speaker 3: And and.
Speaker 2: You know, I've heard a lot of people talk about,
you know, stories of them being in like an Afghanistan.
I was an Afghanistan and I've I've since heard stories about,
you know, soldiers having interactions with them. They're in Vietnam,
you know, soldiers had interactions with I don't know they
referred to as the oring Pendet. But in Vietnam they
talk about eight men. But it's it's all over the world,
and so many other cultures talk about it, and it's
not dismissed. It's just a known thing that they exist.
But for some reason here the United States and especially
in quote unquote Western civilization, we just completely negate the
fact that they exist, and we discredit all of the
the tribes that talk about this, like Sabe Sabe and
the seventh Grandfather teaching Sabe stands for well, wisdom, honesty,
like it's a legitimate thing in the totem. So are
all the other all the other animal most quote unquote
creatures are real, but the Sabbe is not. Well, why
would they say that when they all say it's real,
you know what I mean. It's just that's the frustrating
part about it is that, you know, these experts, they
just want to quickly dismiss it when they're overwhelming evert
and evidence to support that they exist.
Speaker 3: And it's it's quite disrespectful too, culturally to all these
tribes and all these different cultures that know that they exist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is pretty ridiculous. They know so much more
about this land than we're ever going to know, so
why not listen to them?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Definitely, when you do field investigations, do you travel
as light as possible or do you lean more to
the heavily equipped side.
Speaker 2: I kind of wing it, and a lot of times
it seems like.
Speaker 3: I kind of let my intuition guide me.
Speaker 2: So I could drive my truck and just go for
a walk, you know, and and then just kind of
follow my intuition, you know, walking around in the woods.
Like I said, I'll be out barefoot in a pair
of shorts, you know, walking around in the mountains in
the summer day. And I've found numerous tree breaks. Those
I've posted about on social.
Speaker 3: Media as well.
Speaker 2: But now I'm I'm bringing around I'm getting used to
bringing around this p eleven hundred camera, this nikon with me.
It's a fairly new purchase and I use it for
you know, my social media right now, taking pictures of
architecture and things of that nature. But I'm getting used
to bringing that around with me, and you know, carrying
a pack. Always kind of carried a pack with me,
but I want it with me for one that the
opportunity presents itself. But I think whatever is meant to
happen is going to happen, you know, and you can't
always be prepared.
Speaker 3: But things happen as they're supposed to happen.
Speaker 1: Like the way you think, I really do. And I
like the way you go out there as light as possible.
I mean, there are advantages and disadvantages to that, just
like there are advantages and disadvantages to everything. But I'm
sure there are a lot of people listening to this
who think it's crazy for you to go out that way,
just so light without much of anything in the way
of gear. But yeah, I mean by going out that way,
that's going to enable you to do things that people
who are loaded down they'd never be able to do.
So it's all about give and take, it really is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the give and take.
Speaker 2: And then again, I think that they can sense your
energy and they know and it's almost like, I don't know,
like you're walking, you're walking around as like almost like
a biosensor, like your aura.
Speaker 3: You know, your aura.
Speaker 2: That's a legitimate thing, and I think that they can
feel it. It's all it's all vibration and resonance and frequency.
And so if you follow your intuition and you're following
your heart, and you are staying genuine to yourself and
you have good intent, Intentions are so very important when
it comes to all this, especially spiritually, follow your intuition,
follow your heart, and have good intent, and you're out
doing it, then the right thing is going to happen
when it's supposed to happen.
Speaker 1: That does put you in a really good place to
have an experience. I agree.
Speaker 3: Do you want me to drop my social media stuff?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Please do.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If people want to follow me on social media, you
can look up Lance from Upstate l a Ncee from Upstate.
I have about thirty five thousand followers on Facebook right now,
about twenty five thousand followers on TikTok, about the same
on Instagram, and a few thousand on YouTube. But I
talk about all sorts of wild stuff. We talk about
cryptids and things of that nature, but we also talk
about a lot of that hidden history, his story, and
we have a great community of people. And I've actually
done some live streams where people have come on and
they've talked about their sashquatch experiences.
Speaker 3: And so if you'd love to do you like to.
Speaker 2: Check me out and give me a follow, I'd really
appreciate it. That's Lance from Upstate across all platforms. And
thank you very very much. Vic, I appreciate you and
all you're doing well.
Speaker 1: You know you're welcome what Navid any other way, and
for everyone listening so that you know I'm going to
post links to everything that Lance just mentioned about is
social media everything that he wants to promote in the
description for tonight's show, that'll make it really easy to find.
But having said that, thanks against so much for your time, Lance,
and have a great night. That's it for another episode
of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with Vic Kundiff. If you've had
a sasquatch encounter and would like to be guest on
the show, please go to Bigfoot Eyewitness dot com and
submit a report.
Speaker 3: We'd love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, have
a great night.