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Speaker 1: If you've had a big foot siding it would like

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to be a guest, Please go to bigfoot witness dot

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com and let me know.

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Speaker 2: My name is Lance. People call me Lance a lot.

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I'm from Vermont, upstate New York, right on the border

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my background. I'm actually an Army infantry veteran and I

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was a detective and a sergeant in the police department.

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I retired after eleven years, so I had almost two

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decades between the military and law enforcement. And I have

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been an avid outdoorsman my entire life, hunting and fishing

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and camping, spending time in the Green Mountain National Forest.

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They had irondax and just all around, you know, in

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the woods. Ever since I was a little boy, I've

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always kind of had an interest in sasquatch. And I

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was actually born in an area referred to as the

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Bennington Triangle in Vermont, kind of like the Bermuda Triangle.

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All sorts of weird stuff happens. But with that, it's

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an area that's known for sasquatch. And it's not that

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far from an area that's well known for sasquatch called Whitehall,

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New York, and that's in Washington County in Washington County

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is where I had my first experience about twenty years ago.

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I was sixteen years old. So about twenty years ago,

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I was a sixteen year old boy, and I was

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hanging out with a couple of my buddies and my

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mother and stepfather were gone for the weekend, so we

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were going to do some partying and some stuff that

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sixteen year old boys do that then I was supposed

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to do. And that being said, we all wanted to

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hang out with each other, just the guys and my

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high school girlfriend at the time, she wanted to hang

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out with us, but I wasn't really looking for that.

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I just wanted to hang out with my buddies. So

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after a while, she talked us into meeting her down

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at Stewart's, which is like a local gas station kind

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of coffee chain in upstate New York. And we met

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down there for a little while, and then my two

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buddies and I went back to my house and she

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drove back to her house. Now where she resides in

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Washington County is very rural. The population is between fifty

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and sixty thousand, and it's I mean, it's over eight

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hundred and fifty square miles and the northern part of

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it's like the southern part of the Adirondacks, and the

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entire eastern border of Washington County borders the state of Vermont.

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And again, this area that we're around is in the

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Bennington Triangle right on the Vermont border, in the Gray

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Mountain National Forest. We, like I said, we we separate,

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and I go with my buddies back home, and she

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heads her way and where she lives up on a mountain,

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up a dirt road, and uh, a short time after

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I got home, she called the house phone and cell

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phones were very big thing back then, as you know,

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and she called me and she was in a panic,

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crying and freaking out.

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Speaker 3: And I asked her, well, what is going on with you?

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What is going on?

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Speaker 2: And she says, You're not going to believe me, but

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I think I had a bigfoot. I'm like what, And

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I legitimately ended up like hanging up the phone on her.

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And again, I've always been, you know, kind of a

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believer in this, but I really thought that she was

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just kind of looking for attention because she wanted to

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hang out with us.

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Speaker 3: So she calls me back and she was mad.

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Speaker 2: I hung up on her and she was very upset, crying,

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and she tells me of the story. So she drove

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a Dodge Stealth, was like an old like Tudor kind

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of sports car. I mean, the thing was kind of

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a pile, but it was a small, little Tudor sports car.

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And she was driving up the dirt lane dirt rode

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up the mountain and they're regrading the road, so like

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people that aren't familiar with dirt roads, when dirt roads

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get a bunch of potholes and stuff, and them they'll

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come and they'll regrade and flat them back out, so

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kind of tearing the road up a little bit. So

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she was driving her car slow, and I remember she

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said that there was a rabbit on the side of

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the road and she's going up the mountain and she

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kind of looked at the She was looking at the

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rabbit as she was driving slow, and she said, all

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of a sudden, something huge ran in front of her

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car and it stopped her car.

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Speaker 3: She hit it and it stopped her car.

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Speaker 2: And she said she saw a huge hand reach out

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and push itself up off the hood, stand up, and

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then ran across the road and jumped over the bank.

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And she was very worked up about this. So she

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ended up talking my buddies and I into driving up

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to her house. And we drove up there, and she

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was visibly upset, shaking up, scared, and it was getting

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later in the nighttime, so you know, I told her,

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I was like, well, you dragged us all the way

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out here and you supposedly hit a big foot. I

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want you to bring me to the area and the

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road where you hit this thing, because I wanted to investigate,

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you know what I mean. And so my buddy was driving,

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my one buddy and he had a buickless saber car,

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like one of those big old boat cars. So she

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reluctantly got in the vehicle and we drove down to

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the place where she hit it. And it was hard

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packed like dirt where they were tearing up, so there

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was nothing really in the road, but there was something

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over the bank, you know, it looked like something maybe

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could have torn through the brush. And we have a

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lot of black bears around here. They're everywhere, and we

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all have grown up with black bears. I mean, the

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police department would chase black bears out of the village

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all the time. And there's black bears everywhere, so that

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was my immediate thought, along with my buddies. So we

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just figured it was a black bear. But she grew

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up on a mountain and she swore it wasn't a

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black bear.

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Speaker 3: So we ended up.

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Speaker 2: After we investigated, we had back up to the house

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and I decided I was going to check her car

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out see if there was any damage or anything of

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that nature. And so we took some flashlights and went

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and checked her car out, and on the hood of

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her vehicle was this gigantic hamprint and the dust and

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it was huge.

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Speaker 3: Now, I'm not a.

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Speaker 2: Giant guy, but I'm a decent sized guy, and I'm

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like six to one. But my buddy that was with me,

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he's much bigger than me, you know, his six three

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sixty four, big man, huge hands. And as we're standing there,

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we look at this hamdprint on the hood and we're.

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Speaker 3: All looking at each other like what in the world.

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Speaker 2: And my buddy, the gentleman that's much bigger than me,

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he put his hand inside the handprint and it was

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way bigger than his hand.

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Speaker 3: And as soon as he did that, we heard.

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Speaker 2: Like coming up from the hollow, like this blood curdling

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scream like I had never heard anything like this before,

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and honestly, it terrified my two buddies and I, and

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we legitimately ran into the house, threw the their flashlights back,

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and we peeled off out of there. I didn't even

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say bye to her or nothing. That's how much this

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scared us. Like this sound. It was this deep guttural

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scream and it was I don't know, there's no other

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way to explain it, and it sounded big. Well, we

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ended up tearing out of there and had them back

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to my house. And as soon as we get back

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to my house, my buddies were shaken up about it,

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and I instantly fired up the dial up internet and

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got on and started looking up bigfoot audio and the

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first one I clicked on sounded exactly like what we heard.

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Speaker 3: And at that point I.

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Speaker 2: Was completely vested, and so I said to my buddies that.

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Speaker 3: We got to go back up there.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Neither one of them wanted to go back up there.

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And my whole thought process as a sixteen year old boy,

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was that we were going to hop in my single

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cable beat up RAM fifteen hundred truck and we're going

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to head up to the top of the lane where

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we heard it up the mountain, and my whole thought

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process behind it and it's sense changed. Obviously, this is

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twenty years ago and now would never hurt anything. But

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my ale haall idea was if it ran in front

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of the vehicle again, I wanted to prove its existence

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and so I wanted something better than as buick, and

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I wanted my truck, and I was I was going

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to hit it. And so because you can't prove its

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existence without a body, that was always the theory before,

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you know. So my buddies again they reluctantly got in

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the truck and we went up there, stopped at the house,

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and they had heard this thing scream a few more times.

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a mountain woman, she heard it herself, and she initially

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she was like, ah, it's just coyotes, and then she said, no,

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that ain't kyots and she never heard nothing like that before.

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So we get some flashlights and we end up driving

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up the lane and I had a single cab truck

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and so I'm driving and I'm watching the road and

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my one buddy, he's in the center of the bench

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seat and he's got a flashlight pointed out the driver's

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side of the window, you know, shining in the woods.

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of the passenger side of the vehicle. We drive up

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the lane and we didn't see nothing going all the

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way up the lane. But when we turned around and

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came back, there's an old section of the road on

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the side of the road where there was this.

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Speaker 3: Real tall grass and.

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Speaker 2: Like siumanc and stuff like that, and the grass had

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to have been I don't know, four or five feet high,

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and the vegetation on the side of the road. And

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as we're driving back down towards the house, my buddy

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that's shotting the flashlight out the driver's side window over

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the top of me.

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Speaker 3: He says, what is that?

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Speaker 2: And I stopped the truck, and I don't know, a

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couple of feet above this vegetation was this big red

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glow like now I know his eye shine and it's

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just one glow. And so I was able to kind

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of back my truck up and shine my headlights on it.

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make out a silhouette big head shoulders, and it turned

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its head, and now there was two eyes staring at

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us and like this whole silhouette. And as soon as

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we all saw that, I mean, I wasn't as tough anymore.

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out of here, get out of here. And so I

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barreled it off the mountain in my truck, just took

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off and again we got back to the house and

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we threw the flashlights in there and and we got

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out of there, and.

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Speaker 3: And that was. That was about the just of the experience.

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Speaker 2: But my buddies that freaked them out for so long,

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where I'd get calls from them in the middle of

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the night. My one buddy in particular, he's like, dude,

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I think I hear that thing out there, and it

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terrified and you know the sound that we heard in

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the whole experience, and and you know, we went from

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thinking it was this big joke to it wasn't a

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joke at all. And I have since not talked to

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my friends about this particular incident in quite some time,

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but uh, there's no doubt in my mind that we

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saw something inexplainable that night. So I've had I had

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several experiences in other states. Like I said, I've I've haunted,

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and Harvard is the deer on public land in several

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different states. And I can't recall how many years ago

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specifically it was, but probably five or six years ago

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I was hunting in the Shawnee State Forest. It's like

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skilleda county in Ohio, south central Ohio, and I went

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out there with a few buddies and we used to

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go out every year and go bow hunting, and the

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Shawnee Forest is quite vast, and I could have been

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longer than that, maybe six, seven, eight years ago. I

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can't recall exactly. We went out for probably four or

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five years straight, but either way, it's uh, you know,

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it's like a ten eleven twelve hour drive from here

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in upstate New York. And my first time heading out there.

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had done a lot more research about Bigfoot and Sasquatch

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and you know, firm believer. And I set to my boat,

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said do you think we'll see a grass man out here?

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And he was like, well, what is a grass man?

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And I explained to him, you know, they referred to

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sasquatch as a grassman in Ohio, and he kind of

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wrote it off and you know, made fun of it

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and chuckled, you know, as some people do. Well, we uh,

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we get to Ohio and we're all excited and we

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get there in time to get an afternoon hunting, and

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it's quite a vast piece of forest out.

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Speaker 3: There in uh in Ohio. And there was four of

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us total.

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Speaker 2: It was my one buddy and then another buddy with

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his father, was an older man that you know, is

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very experienced in the woods. All these all these guys

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that I was hung with are very experienced woodsmen.

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Speaker 3: And so we go and we hunt the.

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Speaker 2: First evening there, and uh, the plan was is that

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I was going to stay kind of low and work

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my way up this big holler, and uh, my buddy's dad,

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he was going to stay somewhat near around me, but

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this is all public land. And then my two other

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buddies we're going to head up the ridge and we

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were all going to meet up, you know, when it

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got dark.

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Speaker 3: And so we.

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Speaker 2: Hunt, you know, all evening, no issues or anything like that.

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And at the end of the evening, I packed my

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gear up and go meet up with my buddy's dad

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and we're waiting off the trail for those other two.

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Speaker 3: And so then my.

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Speaker 2: Buddy and his father, they're standing there with me and

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we're waiting for other buddy to come off the ridge.

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And that same kind of guttural scream, like bark scream,

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and we're a ways from everything. We hear that same

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kind of thing that I heard before, and my one

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buddy looks right at me as soon as a happy

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He's like, la, it's what is that?

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Speaker 3: What is that?

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Speaker 2: And that's kind of truckling. I'm like, what do you

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think it is?

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Speaker 3: Buddy?

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Speaker 2: I was like, you guys are all making fun of me.

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It was like it was probably a grassman. And it

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really concerned my buddy to the point where he thought

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it was our other friend coming down the mountain, coming

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down the ridge. And he's said, Art's yelling for him,

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and I'm like, what are you doing. He goes, We've

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got to make sure he's all right. You got to

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make sure he's all right, make sure that's not him.

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And so we use they're called Garman Rhino radio. It's

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like a walkie talkie, but it also has like a

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GPS on it and then you can talk, you know,

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like back and forth, and the range is is quite far,

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several miles.

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Speaker 3: So he's like, can you get him on the radio.

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Speaker 2: So I tried to getting him on the radio and

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he answers and I said, hey, you all right, and

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he says, yeah, I'm fine. Why he's like, you didn't

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hear that? He goes, no idea what you're talking about.

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So I was like, all right, well, he's making his

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way and put my radio away and it's dark at

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this point.

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Speaker 3: Put my radio away. Since I put my radio away again,

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it starts. Did we hear it again? You know this?

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Speaker 2: This this scream and my buddy once again. He's like,

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can you get him on the radio. Make sure he's

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all right, And he literally starts taking up off the

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trail because he's that concerned.

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Speaker 3: And.

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Speaker 2: Again get him on the radio. Is like, I have

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no idea what you're talking about. I didn't hear it.

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Speaker 3: We all heard it. The three of us down there.

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We heard it a couple of times.

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Speaker 2: And so he finally rallies up with us and and

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we're all talking and he didn't hear it, but the

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three of us heard it, and it was incredibly loud. Well,

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you know, the rest of the week goes on, and

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my buddy, my one buddy, had set up some trail

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cameras and he had a huge buck on camera. And

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this again is all public lan and so getting game

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plans together every day. You know, with these GPS's that

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we use, every time you kee up on the radio,

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you can see somebody's location.

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Speaker 3: In that way, it helps us keep track of each

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other as well.

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Speaker 2: So you know, these guys kind of mess with me

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about the whole bigfoot thing the entire time we're down there.

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Speaker 3: And after my.

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Speaker 2: Buddy had got that big picture or that picture of

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that big buck, he said that that's where he was

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going to spend the rest of his time hunting, you know,

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trying to harvest that buck. And so one night when

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we're up camp, I uh, you know, those guys are

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picking on me, and I said, I told him, I said,

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do I know exactly where you're hunting?

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Speaker 3: I said, I guarantee you right now.

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Speaker 2: I'll do a little research and I can find a

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sasquatch story about that area that you're going to be

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and guarantee it. So they're all laughing and chuck lund. Well,

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I end up finding a story and I read it

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to those guys, and this place is called Picnic Point,

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and I read the story and the story was that

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this guy and this girl went up to the top

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of Picnic Points, very vast areas, pretty rugged train and

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you know, there they were, you know, boyfriend girlfriend went

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up to this point and late at night to hang

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out Picnic Points top of this hill, which is you know,

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kind of like a small mountain. And they said that

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they're up there and they're sitting, you know, talking, and

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that the whole woods went quiet, and a sasquatch had

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come out, run out of the woods and slapped the

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top of their their vehicle, and it scared them and

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they saw it and they peeled out of there. And

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so those guys where, you know, they're joking like ha ha.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, hey man, I.

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Speaker 2: Was like, there's the stuff like this that happens all

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the time around here. Well, fast forward next day, I

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was hunting as the crow flies probably you know, seven

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or eight miles from from those two, and you know,

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you're a distance back. You know, we're going in and

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you're hiking in some places a mile mile back in

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the public land. And so I'm up in my climber

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tree stand, I was hunting at a tree stand at

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that point, climber tree stand. And as I said before,

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every time you hit the radio, it keys up with

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the location. So I'm sitting at my tree stand and

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all of a sudden, my radio keeps going off, blop blop,

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bloop bloploop, and it's my same buddy, over and over

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and over again. And I can't hear what he's saying

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because it's too far out of out of the distance,

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but I can see it keeps saying position updated, Position updated,

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And I had just figured that he must have been

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sitting on his radio and kept you know, hitting the

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mic over and over and over again, and so I

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kind of just played it off, didn't really think nothing

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of it. And there's no cell phone service to talk

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or anything like that. So hunt the rest of the

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day and we you know, we go in in the

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dark and the am, and then he stay all day

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and then you're walking out of the woods in the dark.

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Speaker 3: So I didn't talk to these guys all day.

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Speaker 2: Well, once my buddy and I get back to camp

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and meet up with a father and son duo, they said, Lance,

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you're not gonna believe what happened. So they tell me

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that it was the father and son. Do that we

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heard that that thing scream at us together? Well, the

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son he said that he was sitting up in his

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tree and he was hunting out of his saddle, and

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he said, you know, Lance, that thing that screamed at

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us the other day. He goes, I heard it again,

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and he said it was so loud. He goes that

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I almost like fell out of the tree. He goes,

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that's how much it scared me.

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Speaker 3: He said. I kept keying up.

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Speaker 2: The radio trying to get a hold of my dad,

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and I couldn't get a hold of him. So he's like,

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I end up getting out the tree and actually trying

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to find him to make sure he was all.

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Speaker 3: Right, and uh so, then my buddy is dead.

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Speaker 2: It was like, I mean, I got to back up

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a little bit because when I was telling him the

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story about, you know, seeing a sasquatch up around that area,

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and they're joking with me, I just told him, I said, well,

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if you guys get a rock flying at you in

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the middle of the woods, you just know it ain't

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somebody messing with you. As a sasquatch they throw rocks

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and you know, and they're ha ha, you got real

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funny blah blah blah. Well my buddy is dead, he says, Lance,

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You're not gonna believe what happened. He goes, I was

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sitting there on this hillside, and you know beautiful I am.

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And he said, all of a sudden, he said, it's

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just completely silent, and he goes, I got this eerie

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feeling over me. And he goes, I'm telling you, all

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I could think about was that story that you were

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telling me, he goes, and I swear on everything. And

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this man spent a lot of time in the woods,

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and this father and son duo traveled the country like

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literally hunting different places. He says, Lance, I'm sitting there

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and it's completely silent, and he says, a rock comes

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flying through the trees and lands right next to him,

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right next to him. And now he didn't hear it scream,

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but he had the rock fly next to him, had

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this eerie feeling something was washing him and it freaked

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him out.

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Speaker 3: Like both of those guys that freaked him out.

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Speaker 2: And they were all worked up about it, and they

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swear that it happened. I didn't experience it with him

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that day, but they were both they said it happened.

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And on my other buddy he was still a skeptic,

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but on our way back he says, you know, I'm

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not believing in it, but I think the other two

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I think.

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Speaker 3: They're firm believers now.

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Speaker 2: And like I said, he swears that he had a

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rock thrown at him, and that one that screamed at him,

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he said it was louder than the one that we.

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Speaker 3: All had heard together.

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Speaker 2: And so that that happened in Ohio, and uh, that's

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was several witnesses there. And I do have one more

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experience that was probably the closest call that I've had,

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and that happened a couple of years ago in Vermont,

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in the Green Mountain National Forest, in the Bennington Triangle,

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which any of the listeners said, if you all want

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to look it up, the Bennington Triangles in Bennington, Vermont,

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Green Mountain National Forest. I talk about Sasquatch, They talk

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about strange lights, they talk about you know, little people

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like there's like they.

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Speaker 3: Talk about puck wedgies.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you're familiar, but I grew up

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listening to stories about the little people in the mountains,

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and they talk about Sasquatch. You know, they say, quote

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unquote snatching people out of the woods there. But it

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was a couple summers ago. I was dating this woman

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and she lived in the Bennington Triangle in the middle

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of nowhere, and in the evening times we sent her

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back porch at night. Well, she had lived there for

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several years and never had any interactions, never any weird

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experiences anything like that. Well, I was sitting on her

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back porch one evening, just normal summer evening. It was dark,

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and I hear one start chattering on the hillside. I

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didn't know what it was. But if if you know

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your listeners are familiar with Ron Moorehead and the Sierra sounds,

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you know, the Samurai sounds. The chatter, that's what it sounds.

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Likes are like as ridiculous as it sounds, you know

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how the chatters and it's like deep you can tell

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us a large creature. And I hear the one and

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I'm like, what in the world. I instantly I knew,

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but I didn't say nothing. And then there was two

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of them and they were chattering back and forth, like

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on both sides of this hill in the middle of nowhere,

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in the air the specific area is called Glossombury Mountain

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and the banks and triangle. So I listened to him

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for a while, and I sat there, silent on her porch,

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and I was just waiting for one to literally, you know,

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walk and approach me. That's what I was waiting. I

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was watching the trees and I was hoping that my

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eyes were justice enough, and I swear I was going

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to see one like it was. I had never heard

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anything like that in terms of the chatter, but it

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sounds just like the syir nevad it sounds. So I

476
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,839
didn't say anything to the girl that I was that

477
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,359
I was seeing an her house, so I don't want

478
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,759
to freak her out. Well, the next night, we're both

479
00:24:16,839 --> 00:24:21,599
sitting out there and they start doing it again. They

480
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,400
start chattering, and she looks at me and she said,

481
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:24,799
what is that?

482
00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 3: What is that? What is that?

483
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,599
Speaker 2: And I said, I said, I think it's sasquatch is talking.

484
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,119
This the only thing I explained, and she's like, I

485
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,400
have lived here for X amount of years. She's like,

486
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,599
I never heard nothing like that before. It freaked her

487
00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:38,039
out so much she went in the house. I sat

488
00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:39,559
out there and I listened to it for a while,

489
00:24:39,799 --> 00:24:43,480
and they chattered for a while and then it stopped. Well,

490
00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:46,480
curiosity got, you know, the best of me, and I

491
00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:49,079
wanted to investigate. So it was like a day or

492
00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:52,400
two later I had it out in that area where

493
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,640
they were. And I mean, I'm the kind of guy

494
00:24:56,759 --> 00:24:59,680
I don't wear shoes, you know, in the wintertime, I

495
00:24:59,839 --> 00:25:02,200
fo to wear shoes, unfortunately in the snow. But I'm

496
00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:04,759
running around the mountains and everybody tell you I'm running

497
00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:06,759
around the mountains barefoot all the time. I'm out in

498
00:25:06,759 --> 00:25:09,400
the woods. And that's just how I am. Kind of wild.

499
00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:11,920
That's why, you know, all my social media stuff, I

500
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,960
say stay wild all the time, because I'm kind of

501
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,680
a wild man. Well, I went out and I actually

502
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,079
I found a trackway and I had posted a video

503
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,720
about this on my original TikTok account before that TikTok

504
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,880
account got banned and this and like I said, I'm

505
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,720
about six foot one and this trackway was going across

506
00:25:32,759 --> 00:25:36,440
the field and I put my foot and I wear

507
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,680
a size fourteen shoe and the track was bigger than mine.

508
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,400
The decompression in the in the in the soil, and

509
00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:47,759
I had to stretch my feet out as far as

510
00:25:47,799 --> 00:25:51,240
I could, like in a stride in order to walk

511
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:54,079
in this trackway. It was absolutely wild, and I filmed

512
00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:58,240
a video about it, and that video might still be

513
00:25:58,279 --> 00:26:01,000
on YouTube. I'm not sure. I know it does have

514
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:06,400
some profanity in it, but I uh, I recorded it,

515
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,200
and I showed like how far the trackway was stretched

516
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,759
out and everything, and you know, my experience as a detective,

517
00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:15,160
I was gonna I want to come back and plaster

518
00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:18,400
cast it. And you know, I'm I have experienced doing

519
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,519
plaster casts and stuff.

520
00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:19,839
Speaker 3: I was.

521
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: I was an evidence technician and police photographer, professionally trained.

522
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:28,599
So I make that little video of the trackway. And

523
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,640
this was a very like still summer day, very still

524
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,440
summer day that you know, very very light breeze, nothing,

525
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,359
you know, not windy by any stretch of the imagination.

526
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 3: And I make a little video.

527
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 2: And as soon as I put my phone in my

528
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,400
pocket and I start walking towards the tree line, vic

529
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:52,240
a gigantic tree, probably seventy five yards from me gets

530
00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:57,319
pushed over, completely silent, pushed over, and the.

531
00:26:57,519 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: Hair in the back of my neck stood up.

532
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: And I just took that as I'm like, okay, I

533
00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:04,799
am leaving now, and I pulled out my phone, and

534
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,799
I and I and I, you know, I was recording,

535
00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:10,359
like talking into it, trying to shine the phone behind me,

536
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,480
because I've seen where people have said, if you feel

537
00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:15,759
like you know you have one watching you, you know,

538
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,119
pull out your phone, record like you're taking a selfie,

539
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,319
like taking a video, and maybe you'll catch one walking

540
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,480
behind you or ducking behind you, you know, picking it

541
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:25,240
up that way. And so I pulled out my phone

542
00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:27,480
and I started walking the opposite direction because I took

543
00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:29,559
that as a sign to get out of the area.

544
00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:31,599
You know, I didn't feel like they were threatening me,

545
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,000
like they were going to hurt me. It was just

546
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,400
enough of a warning to say, hey, we're over here,

547
00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:37,799
why don't you just turn around head back, And so

548
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,319
that's exactly what I did, and I pulled up my phone.

549
00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:42,920
I was like, I don't care what anybody has to say.

550
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,720
They just put the tree over right over there, and

551
00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:46,480
I'm getting out of here. And I kept the phone

552
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,880
going the entire time that I walked out of the woods.

553
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,039
And that particular woman that I was dating said that

554
00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:53,640
she's like, I'm never She was like, I will never

555
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,839
go in the woods with you again, because every time

556
00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:57,640
you go out looking for something, you find it.

557
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 3: And that was that was the wildest experience.

558
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,559
Speaker 2: And I wish I would have thought to record, you know,

559
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,680
the samurai chatter, that that chattering sound of those two

560
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,759
back and forth. But I was just in the moment

561
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,160
and just listening to it. And I mean I've gone

562
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,960
up and into the National Force there that Saint Mary

563
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,960
and Bennington Triangle, and I've taken videos at tree breaks,

564
00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:25,200
you know where they're at my head level six foot

565
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,640
and you know, trees are just snapped, and you know

566
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,240
how they mark their their trails and their territories.

567
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 3: But I'm a firm believer, and there's a lot of

568
00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:33,799
them around.

569
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: And again Whitehall, New York is just north of me here,

570
00:28:39,559 --> 00:28:41,599
and they talk about the Beast of a bear Road.

571
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,079
I mean small Town Monsters has done documentaries They're finding

572
00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:52,640
Bigfoot has done shows up there. There's been several different

573
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,119
documentaries made.

574
00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:55,759
Speaker 3: Then people want to look it up.

575
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: The Beast of a bear Road A B A I R.

576
00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:02,079
I believe that's how you spell it with a Beast

577
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:05,480
of abe air road. There's a notorious sighting in the

578
00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:10,319
seventies where it's state police sheriff's officers in Whitehall Police Department.

579
00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:12,599
We're chasing around a sasquatch in the village Whitehall for

580
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,559
a couple of days with numerous eyewitnesses. So this area

581
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,839
here has a lot of excitings and there's a lot

582
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,279
of people that have seen stuff around here, that's for sure.

583
00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: It sure sounds like that's the case. When you were

584
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,440
serving our country in the Army Infantry lance, did you

585
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,240
take any special courses on tracking? If you did, do

586
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:36,720
you use any of those techniques that you learned when

587
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:38,680
you're out doing field investigations?

588
00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was in the light infantry, so

589
00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:44,640
you're out in the field, you know, and it's you

590
00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:48,880
obviously learned land navigation and you spend a lot of

591
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,400
time in the woods training that way tracking though, Like

592
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:56,960
my whole family are hunters, and I mean I started

593
00:29:57,039 --> 00:30:00,880
hunting deer in Vermont when I was old enough to

594
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,279
hold a shotgun. So it's been the majority of my life.

595
00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:10,079
And again I've harvested deer and several states on public land.

596
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,359
I end up going actually going back to Ohio and

597
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:17,759
I harvested a beautiful buck about a mile and a

598
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:20,519
half in a big mature buck with my bow a

599
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:24,119
couple of years ago, a few years back, and all

600
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,160
these skills you know that you learn throughout your life,

601
00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:32,640
definitely applying all of them. But just I think in

602
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,839
a big way is that they they pick and choose

603
00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:39,480
who they want to interact with. Also because they can

604
00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:45,200
feel energy and intent, and you know, it's all energetic

605
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,599
beings and you know people, you know, a lot of

606
00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:52,599
people think that they're a gigantipith kiss, there's some sort

607
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,519
of primate. I come from the train of thought where

608
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,079
I think that they're an ancient humanoid species and they

609
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:02,279
are all so as wild as it seems. And I

610
00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:06,119
know people are talking about this more but more interdimensional,

611
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,000
and they have the ability to use mind speak and

612
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:15,559
sense energy, energy, vibration, resonance, intent, those kind of things.

613
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 3: And there's been.

614
00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: Several people, I mean a lot of people are talking

615
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,720
about it now. More people are talking about it now

616
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,400
about their ability to mind speak and speak telepathically.

617
00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that they're far more in tune.

618
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,799
Speaker 2: With nature and than we are, because we are much

619
00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:35,839
more disconnected these days and we were in ancient times,

620
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:39,160
if that makes sense. Have you heard people talk like

621
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:39,720
that before?

622
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: Vick, Paul, I've been doing this for years and years,

623
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,240
started doing this back in two thousand and seven. So yeah,

624
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,799
I've heard tons of people talk about that and experiencing

625
00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:51,240
that sort of thing, and I used to pooh poo it,

626
00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:54,359
but you can only talk with so many very credible

627
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:58,000
eyewitnesses we tell you about experiencing something like that before

628
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,000
it actually sinks in and you think, go, well, yeah,

629
00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:02,920
there's got to be something to this. Yeah, I do

630
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:06,119
believe that there's something to that. I wouldn't be surprised

631
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:09,240
in the least if they are spiritual beings with all

632
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:12,759
sorts of abilities that we just don't even understand it

633
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:15,359
probably never will. So I do believe.

634
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, And I'm right there with you, Vick, because

635
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:20,960
I always wrote it off too and I'm like, oh,

636
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,559
that's just a bunch of quackery. But the more you

637
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:26,640
listen to people and like you said, credible evidence, incredible

638
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:30,559
eyewitness statements, and there's just you look at the tatally

639
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:33,599
of the circumstances and you look at the patterns, and

640
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,759
there's so many times where it's very similar stories, you know,

641
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:40,440
talking about orbs and balls of light and even lights

642
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,599
in the sky and you know Native Americans and you know,

643
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,240
different cultures all speak about the same way as well,

644
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:51,400
so there's definitely something to that, and them being connected

645
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,759
and being much more connected and in tune than we are.

646
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: Well, I agree with everything you said here. There's way

647
00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:00,480
too much there there for that to be nonsense. There

648
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,319
definitely has to be something to that, in my opinion,

649
00:33:03,359 --> 00:33:06,839
at least. When your girlfriend called you that day to

650
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,319
tell you about her hitting that big foot, you said

651
00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:11,680
that you didn't believe her. Was that because you didn't

652
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,480
think they were real or was it for another reason?

653
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: No, I thought that they were real, but you don't.

654
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:21,079
Speaker 2: I mean back then I thought they were real, but

655
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:25,160
I didn't I didn't expect to have that experience firsthand.

656
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,039
And then I also thought that she was just trying

657
00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:31,400
to get our attention with something preposterous, you know, because

658
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:33,880
she knew that I would talk about sasquatchery once in

659
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,119
a while, so I didn't know if it was like

660
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:40,640
an attention thing. But but as again, everything that happened,

661
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,559
obviously she wasn't making that up.

662
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 3: And everything happens for a reason. And I think that.

663
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,759
Speaker 2: Sometimes, you know, even when you know, we doubt, I

664
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:54,200
think that's when we get our biggest proof, you know,

665
00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:56,920
much like that with my friends that were in Ohio

666
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,279
with me, they all thought it was funny until it

667
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:01,839
wasn't funny anymore, you know what I mean.

668
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,279
Speaker 1: Oh sure, Yeah, have an experience like that. Yeah, when

669
00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:09,119
someone doesn't take you seriously, it gets kind of heated.

670
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,599
And speaking of that, how much blowback did you experience

671
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:15,440
from your girlfriend when you didn't believe it first?

672
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,119
Speaker 3: She was upset.

673
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:18,639
Speaker 2: I mean, she was yelling at me on the phone

674
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,599
and she was crying. It was like hysterical from everything

675
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:29,719
that I can recall, you know, And that my one buddy,

676
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,280
my buddy that you know he put his hand in

677
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,840
that handprint. He called me several times, and he lived

678
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,039
in the middle of nowhere, and he called me several

679
00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:39,760
times and he was like, dude, I'm telling you, I

680
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,920
think I hear that thing again in it Like it

681
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,920
was almost like post traumatic stress for him.

682
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 3: It freaked him out that bad.

683
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure it did. Yeah, you're talking about a

684
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,320
guy who spent all that time in the woods thinking

685
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,599
he knows exactly what's out there and what's not thinks

686
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:56,679
he knows everything there is to know about the woods

687
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:58,280
and then all of a sudden he finds out that's

688
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,159
not the case, not the case at all. So I'm

689
00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:02,519
sure it did shake him up.

690
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:05,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my high school buddy that got shaken up.

691
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,599
My hunting buddies. Every time I see them, they'll bring

692
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:11,000
it up and they call me the bigfoot guy. And

693
00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:13,159
I mean, right now, I mean, my hat's got a

694
00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:18,000
sasquatch on it. I have a sasquatch tattoo on my calf. Meanwhile,

695
00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:21,599
I was a detective. People had a placard.

696
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:23,079
Speaker 3: Made for me. It's aid Detective Sasquatch.

697
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 2: And I spoke quite candidly about all this stuff, and

698
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,119
even people that didn't believe, and even you know, like

699
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:33,559
law enforcement officers and stuff professionals, they say, Lance, you know,

700
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:33,800
I'm not.

701
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 3: A believer, but you do. You do present a very

702
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:36,960
good case.

703
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, if we're looking at the same

704
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,400
scope of practice and the same lens that we would

705
00:35:41,519 --> 00:35:44,440
in the in the practice of law, then this is

706
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,079
how we're presenting this. We have the evidence and we

707
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:49,000
have the receipts. It's like, it's you all that need

708
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:50,719
to open your eyes to what's going on here.

709
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,159
Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you what's even funnier than that.

710
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,239
A lot of these people who it seems like they

711
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,599
don't take it all that seriously. I'll bet you a

712
00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:00,760
lot of them are hooked on the top, but you

713
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,679
just would never know because they don't let that out

714
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,679
of the bag exactly.

715
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:05,679
Speaker 3: No, absolutely.

716
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: And I have another some friends up north that I

717
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,239
used to camp with, and they're much older than me,

718
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,440
but they lived Whitehall Ford N Line up around that

719
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,159
same area in northern Washington County, and they swear that

720
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:22,719
one ran across the road in front of them, and

721
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,159
Ford N went right one night, so that looked like

722
00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:28,280
a huge gorilla, and they swore up and down. And

723
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,480
they also swear that they saw a champ which is

724
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,639
a completely different cryptid, but it's a Lake Champlain has

725
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:40,920
a sea serpent, a sea monster, and it's been documented

726
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:46,599
since the beginning of documentation. But the Abenaki tribes there

727
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:48,599
they called it the you know, a horned serpent.

728
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:51,039
Speaker 3: Shamuel D.

729
00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: Samplain talked about the quote unquote explorer that founded Lake Champlain,

730
00:36:56,559 --> 00:36:58,079
but lots of people talk about it.

731
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 3: Some people there is that it's a pleasia sore, but they.

732
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 2: Have done echo location in sonar, and they have gotten

733
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,760
responses and it's it's almost like whales sonar that they're

734
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,519
picking up in the lake and they swear that they

735
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:15,239
saw one of those two. There's quite a few people

736
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,320
up around that area. And again Whitehall, the south basin

737
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,679
of Lake Champlain is in Whitehall, the same area where

738
00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:28,800
all the sasquatch sightings are. And actually it was like

739
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,000
like Barnum and Bailey Circus. P. T. Barnum, he put

740
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,480
a bounty out for champ in Whitehall years ago. I

741
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,199
wanted to put it in the circus, wanted people to

742
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,440
kill one so we could put it on display. So

743
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,239
it's a very interesting area up here in upstate New York.

744
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,519
Speaker 1: Well, i'd say it is. He has a lot of

745
00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:51,480
interesting things going on up there. Absolutely, are you still

746
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,320
in contact with that girlfriend who hit the sasquatch? And

747
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,199
if you are, what are your thoughts on that experience? Now?

748
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,840
Does she wear it like a bad javannor or does

749
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,400
she still hate the fact that she did that.

750
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: I haven't talked to her in years.

751
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 2: I joined the army when I was seventeen years old

752
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,960
and shipped out and I'm going overseas and stuff, and

753
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:17,599
we lost contact years ago, so I haven't talked to

754
00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:18,800
her about that in many years.

755
00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: I see, Yeah, I wondered if you were still in contact.

756
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,280
So I understand when you went back up to the

757
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,719
place where she had hit it, you said that you're

758
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,519
planning to hit it yourself. So that would make it

759
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:36,480
really easy to prove their existence if it ever actually happened.

760
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,559
But I'm wondering that's how you felt back then, that

761
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:43,039
was your mindset back then at the time present day,

762
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,840
would you still go to those lengths to prove their

763
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,320
existence or have you kind of backed off? No.

764
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:53,559
Speaker 2: I would never hurt one, and I'd advise that anybody

765
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,679
that comes across one in the woods, if they do

766
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,199
have a firearm, do not point it at them. Know

767
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,639
what weapons are, and I do believe that they will

768
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:05,400
defend their young.

769
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 3: And I you.

770
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 2: Know sasquatch being that they're sabe however you want to

771
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,599
refer to it. They all have different personalities and I

772
00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:20,239
think that there could be some that are aggressive, and

773
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:25,760
there's even military documentation like survival pamphlets from like the

774
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,920
seventies or the Air Force list sasquatch as a dangerous

775
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,519
species that you could encounter, like in California. I'm not

776
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:37,719
saying that they're all dangerous, but I think that's one

777
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,920
of the reasons why the government denies their existence, is

778
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,639
because they do exist, and I think that people do disappear.

779
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,360
But I also think it's because sometimes people pose a

780
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,239
threat to them, you know, with a firearm pointing it

781
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,800
at them, and they defend their defend themselves and defend

782
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,400
their young. They're they're super highly advanced and highly intelligent.

783
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,760
It's not some ape running around in the woods, you know,

784
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,519
like some people would want to believe. I think that

785
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:12,480
they're highly advanced, but I would never kill one. I

786
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,840
would never harm one. And again it's with intent and

787
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,679
it's all energy and vibration, and just like with animals

788
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,360
and stuff, and like dogs, like they can they can

789
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,079
sense your fear in that sense, no matter what you

790
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:31,400
see one in the woods, it's probably going to be terrifying.

791
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,239
And there's a lot of people that testify that it's

792
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,039
going to be terrifying. And I think that there's different

793
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,639
kind of subspecies of them. You know, you hear about

794
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,400
larger ones up north, but then like down in Texas,

795
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,440
some of them are more aggressive and and then like

796
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,079
you have the skun cape where they're they're different sizes

797
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:50,960
and they all look a little bit different, you know,

798
00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:54,000
But no, I would.

799
00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 3: I would never hurt one.

800
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: And even if you wanted to defend yourself against one,

801
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,440
I don't think there's anything that you.

802
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:01,039
Speaker 3: Really could do.

803
00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: But I would just advise people not to be aggressive

804
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,840
towards them because I think that's that's when things go bad.

805
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 3: And if you're in the woods and.

806
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: This is something that you know, people that are listening,

807
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,159
and you know hunters especially, you know, I could go

808
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:20,599
into the woods a thousand times and not feel anything

809
00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:24,239
but that thousand and one time when you're walking through

810
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,400
the woods and you can feel eyes on you as

811
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,199
if you're being watched, like the hair in the back

812
00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:31,239
of your neck standing up. I think that that's them

813
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,400
telling you that you're there there, And this is where

814
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,280
it gets, you know, very spiritual, and I'm a very

815
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,079
spiritual man. But it's all energy, it's all vibration, and

816
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:44,119
it's all intent. And I think they'll let you know

817
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:46,119
when they're there a lot of times.

818
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 3: And if you do.

819
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: Get stuff thrown at you, you know, you do get

820
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,719
bluff charged, or they do knock down trees, it's best

821
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,320
just to turn around and go away, because I think

822
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,639
that they're kind of nomadic and semi nomadic, and I

823
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:04,039
move through areas and you think about it, just like us,

824
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:05,920
they don't want anybody messing with them, and not not

825
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,159
for nothing, but humans are incredibly destructive, and so I

826
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:11,960
think we're far more of a threat to them than

827
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,559
they aren't to us, you know what I mean.

828
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: In a lot of ways, I think that's the case.

829
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,840
But in the woods, I think they're a much bigger

830
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,599
threat to us than we are to them. But I'm

831
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,519
talking about the potential when it comes to actually being

832
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:27,360
a threat. I don't think they normally would go out

833
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,960
of the way to harm us, But like you laid out,

834
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,800
I'm sure there are plenty of deviant examples where if

835
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,280
they do get the opportunity, they will do something unfortunate

836
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,920
to you. So, yeah, like you said, it's a good

837
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,480
idea to be careful out there.

838
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,519
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, And there's I mean you can go out

839
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:49,000
and you know tree breaks. I mean they make there's designs,

840
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,679
there's there's tree breaks, there's do you go out and look,

841
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,480
there's probably more evidence than what most people realize, you know,

842
00:42:55,519 --> 00:42:58,840
in certain areas have you know, more evidence than others obviously,

843
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,440
but if you're up in an area like the at

844
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,599
and aroundex I mean there's a few you know, quote

845
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:08,480
unquote big foot hunters around her. They're not trying to physically,

846
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:10,760
you know, harm one on it, but they're looking for

847
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,719
sasquatch and there's they found plenty of evidence. I mean,

848
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,840
you hear it every single day, so you know about

849
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,320
all the evidence that exists. But there's plenty of evidence

850
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,400
to suggest I mean that we know that they're real.

851
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: Oh sure, Yeah, they're definitely out there. That's all there

852
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,159
is to that. You've been doing this for a long time.

853
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,760
Lance with that in mind, what's the most extreme thing

854
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,679
you've ever done to try to have a sighting or

855
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,320
to at least have an encounter.

856
00:43:41,559 --> 00:43:44,679
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I I'll go out into the woods

857
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,280
barefoot by myself, leave my cell phone, because I think

858
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,079
that they can pick.

859
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 3: Up on that.

860
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,599
Speaker 2: You know, it's just like a energy vibration and frequency.

861
00:43:56,639 --> 00:43:58,039
I know, I keep saying it over and over and

862
00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:01,880
over again, but you know people talk about out sell cameras. Well,

863
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,199
they can see the EMF, they can see they can

864
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,239
see the U or feel the EMF coming from them

865
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,280
in the infrared, and so they know it's there and

866
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,639
then they can sense it. It's it's literally like you know,

867
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,119
like the sixth sense. So I'll go into the woods barefoot,

868
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,760
being like a sasquatch without my cell phone, up in

869
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,719
the mountains, and uh, you know, I'll do my hoots

870
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,119
and my hollers and and uh, you.

871
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 3: Know, try to get a response.

872
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,159
Speaker 2: But I don't ever feel and I know that there's

873
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:35,760
been plenty of times where they've watched me and you

874
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,519
can feel, like I said, those eyes. But I guess

875
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:40,280
being up in the up in the mountains all by

876
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,760
yourself with no phone and you know, just being yourself,

877
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:46,800
I guess, and showing the intent.

878
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 3: But that's I mean, that's wild enough in itself.

879
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, if that isn't wild enough, it's wild

880
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:56,639
enough until something wilder comes along, which won't happen all

881
00:44:56,639 --> 00:45:02,199
that often, that's for sure. I'd say, you think they

882
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,719
select you they interact with. When you had that experience

883
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,239
in the Bennington Triangle a couple of summers ago, when

884
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,039
you said you were sitting out on that porch with

885
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:13,920
your girlfriend at her house, she said that was the

886
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,440
first time she had ever heard anything like that, I e.

887
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,719
Her hearing them vocalize the way they did. After having

888
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,639
that experience out there with you, did she move right

889
00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:26,679
away or did she stay there still for some time?

890
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,679
Speaker 2: She's still there, and I mean I don't see her anymore,

891
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,000
but that was the only time she ever experienced or

892
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:35,719
anything like that.

893
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 3: And I mean.

894
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 2: It sounds wild, and people can think it's wild, but again,

895
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,400
I think everything happens for a reason. And I think,

896
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:46,800
much like the amazing work that you're doing talking to

897
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,360
witnesses and having your own experiences, is that there is

898
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,440
going to be a bridge in communication at some point.

899
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,760
I really do believe that, and I think that's why

900
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,119
they reveal themselves to certain people and they can tell

901
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,360
and they know and this goes deeper than any of

902
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,559
us could even fathom, you know what I mean?

903
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:08,079
Speaker 1: Oh No, I think they do really pick and choose

904
00:46:08,159 --> 00:46:11,599
who is allowed to see them, unless they really slip

905
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:14,840
up and they reveal themselves to someone who they didn't

906
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,159
plan to do so, Like you said, I think they

907
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,840
really are selective on who they allowed to see them.

908
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,360
But with that in mind, do you think the Sasquatch

909
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,519
you heard that night when you were sitting on the

910
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:28,679
porch with your girlfriend. Do you think that all happened

911
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,599
for your benefit? It wouldn't have happened, in other words,

912
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:33,639
if you wouldn't have been sitting there on her porch,

913
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,079
or do you think it was just dumb luck.

914
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 2: I think it was for my benefit because it's even

915
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,599
sparked that experience in themselves even sparked more of a

916
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:50,800
passionate and desire to I want to prove along with you,

917
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,639
just like you do. I want to prove to all

918
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:57,159
the naysayers that these things are real. And like I

919
00:46:57,199 --> 00:47:02,079
picked myself up a Nikon P eleven hundred camera which

920
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,000
has an incredible optical zoom on it, and I fully

921
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:08,639
intend to get some pictures of it and some high

922
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:11,360
definition photographs that nobody's going to be able to refute.

923
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,519
And I think that with my background, my training and experience,

924
00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:16,519
I was an expert witness for the State of New York,

925
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:22,159
you know, trained and police photography, trained in evidence collection.

926
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,920
They wrote letters about my integrity. And it's not to

927
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,920
toot my own horn, but I think that with my

928
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:34,639
background and my forte, if I bring a legitimate picture,

929
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,599
then who's going to refute that you know what I mean.

930
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: Well, now, since AI is so advanced, in my opinion,

931
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,599
pictures and videos don't mean all that much anymore. It's

932
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:49,920
just gotten that much harder to prove their existence. So

933
00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:53,639
that's just one of those things, another object to throw

934
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:57,159
in the pile of objects and barriers that you're going

935
00:47:57,199 --> 00:47:59,400
to have to overcome if you ever do want to

936
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:00,519
prove their existence.

937
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's and that's part of it, I guess,

938
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:07,840
for the AI and all that nonsense. Which that kind

939
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,320
of the AI stuff really bugs me, especially in the

940
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,800
Bigfoot community, because you'll see stuff circulating and you can

941
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,800
tell that it's AI, and it discredits the work that

942
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,400
people are trying to do, and it can be frustrating.

943
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: Oh very And it never ceases to amaze me how

944
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,400
many people believe in the crap it floats around out

945
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,559
there that's obviously fake, but they just buy into it,

946
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,800
hook line the sinker. But that's just how it is,

947
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:33,760
I guess, I don't know.

948
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:37,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know that there's legitimate evidence, you know,

949
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:39,119
because everybody always says, well, hell come, there's not any

950
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:40,920
pictures of them. I'm like, well, I can show you

951
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,840
ten pictures or videos that I know are legitimate, but

952
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,719
you're just going to say they're not real anyway, So

953
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:47,320
what's the matter.

954
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. I've seen people come forward

955
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,480
with some really impressive evidence and they get harassed and

956
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,280
shot down left and right. So who's to blame them

957
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,360
for keeping the good stuff to themselves?

958
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely absolutely.

959
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 2: But again, all of us in this community, you know,

960
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,119
we're all we're all looking at this with the best

961
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:11,840
of intent, and there's a lot of good people and

962
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:15,000
the Sasquatch made the Bigfoot community of the cryptic community

963
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:19,159
that we just want to prove that they're real, not

964
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,960
for any other reason, but you know, we have to cohabitate,

965
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:29,079
like we're all in this together. And I do also

966
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:30,760
come from the trend of thought where I think that

967
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,519
there are certain units that you know, government units that

968
00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:37,880
hunt these things down. And I've I've heard enough testimony

969
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,760
and seen enough evidence of that myself, you know, listening

970
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,960
to people talk about it, that this kind of stuff

971
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:44,760
gets suppressed.

972
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 3: I really do think it gets suppressed. I think that

973
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:55,400
recreation and the national parks and all that.

974
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 2: If it would really you know, it probably cut into

975
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:04,119
the the money that the government makes in these parks

976
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:06,119
and things if they say, well, hey, just so you know,

977
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,159
there's a giant humanoid, you know, species out here that

978
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,639
could possibly snatch you up if it wanted to. You know,

979
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,159
that might scarce and deter some people from going out

980
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:14,840
into the woods.

981
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a pretty good chance of that.

982
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,760
In the government, they know what they're doing, So there's

983
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:28,440
their madness. Absolutely, you obviously want to prove their existence

984
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:31,079
to the masses. Lance you sit that just a bit

985
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:35,000
ago here, But do you investigate them more so to

986
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:38,639
prove their existence to the masses or more soed for

987
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:43,440
your own personal discovery.

988
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,519
Speaker 3: I mean, I know that they're real.

989
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,159
Speaker 2: Anybody that knows that's talked to me about this knows

990
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:51,480
that I know that they're real. And at the end

991
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:53,480
of the day, if people don't want to believe, I can't.

992
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:57,280
I can't convince anybody. They have to convince themselves. It's

993
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,360
just like any other evidence you can present at all

994
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,079
that at the end of the day, they have to

995
00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:04,760
be the one that's gonna believe it, and you know.

996
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 3: That lays within themselves.

997
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:11,679
Speaker 2: But it's also part of an awakening and an experience. Again,

998
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,880
if we could there's so many people I think that

999
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:16,920
know that they exist or think that something is out

1000
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,840
there now that maybe I don't know, Maybe it wouldn't

1001
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:26,280
make a huge difference. But the picture of the photograph it.

1002
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,079
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know.

1003
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 2: I guess just proving in general, proving in general that

1004
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,840
they're there. You know, there's other things that are out there.

1005
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,760
I mean, we could talk about so many different things. Wolfman,

1006
00:51:41,039 --> 00:51:45,400
you know, that's a whole other different thing. But I

1007
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,000
don't know, I don't know. I just proven that they're real.

1008
00:51:48,119 --> 00:51:51,440
Proven we know that they're real. But there's that's the

1009
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,079
whole thing. It's like a chink in the armor. If

1010
00:51:53,079 --> 00:51:55,159
they admit that Sasquatch is real, But what else they've

1011
00:51:55,159 --> 00:51:57,199
been lying about? You know what I'm saying. So I

1012
00:51:57,199 --> 00:51:59,360
think that's why they hold on to it. The government

1013
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,760
knows that they're real, people know what they're real. You know,

1014
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,400
there's so many people that have samples that you know

1015
00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:08,280
that colleges and universities they refuse to test.

1016
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 3: And why is that?

1017
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 2: Well, because they know that they got something and they

1018
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,239
can't prove that it's real because it goes against the narrative.

1019
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: You mean, there's some kind of a covert effort out

1020
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,719
there to keep their existence under wraps. Is that what

1021
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:26,000
you're saying, Yes, yes, I do believe so, yeah, of

1022
00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:30,000
course they are. I agree. You've gone to some interesting

1023
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:34,320
places to do your investigations, Lance, But what's your number

1024
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,639
one must visit bucket list place to investigate them.

1025
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 2: I want to go out west, like to Washington and

1026
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,920
northern California, getting out that.

1027
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 3: Way to check it out.

1028
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 2: That it's just that seems like a pretty cool place

1029
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,719
to investigate. But I'd love I'd love to do some

1030
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,719
international travel too, you know.

1031
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 3: And and.

1032
00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 2: You know, I've heard a lot of people talk about,

1033
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,920
you know, stories of them being in like an Afghanistan.

1034
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,599
I was an Afghanistan and I've I've since heard stories about,

1035
00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:16,239
you know, soldiers having interactions with them. They're in Vietnam,

1036
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:19,039
you know, soldiers had interactions with I don't know they

1037
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:22,119
referred to as the oring Pendet. But in Vietnam they

1038
00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:25,679
talk about eight men. But it's it's all over the world,

1039
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,000
and so many other cultures talk about it, and it's

1040
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:30,440
not dismissed. It's just a known thing that they exist.

1041
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,360
But for some reason here the United States and especially

1042
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,800
in quote unquote Western civilization, we just completely negate the

1043
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:45,079
fact that they exist, and we discredit all of the

1044
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:49,360
the tribes that talk about this, like Sabe Sabe and

1045
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:54,559
the seventh Grandfather teaching Sabe stands for well, wisdom, honesty,

1046
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,960
like it's a legitimate thing in the totem. So are

1047
00:53:58,119 --> 00:54:00,800
all the other all the other animal most quote unquote

1048
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,559
creatures are real, but the Sabbe is not. Well, why

1049
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:05,440
would they say that when they all say it's real,

1050
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,239
you know what I mean. It's just that's the frustrating

1051
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:13,079
part about it is that, you know, these experts, they

1052
00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:16,280
just want to quickly dismiss it when they're overwhelming evert

1053
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,119
and evidence to support that they exist.

1054
00:54:18,519 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 3: And it's it's quite disrespectful too, culturally to all these

1055
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,159
tribes and all these different cultures that know that they exist.

1056
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is pretty ridiculous. They know so much more

1057
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,639
about this land than we're ever going to know, so

1058
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,519
why not listen to them?

1059
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 3: Exactly?

1060
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:40,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, Definitely, when you do field investigations, do you travel

1061
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:43,599
as light as possible or do you lean more to

1062
00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:45,360
the heavily equipped side.

1063
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:50,639
Speaker 2: I kind of wing it, and a lot of times

1064
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:51,519
it seems like.

1065
00:54:54,639 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 3: I kind of let my intuition guide me.

1066
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 2: So I could drive my truck and just go for

1067
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,119
a walk, you know, and and then just kind of

1068
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:05,480
follow my intuition, you know, walking around in the woods.

1069
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,320
Like I said, I'll be out barefoot in a pair

1070
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,159
of shorts, you know, walking around in the mountains in

1071
00:55:11,199 --> 00:55:18,000
the summer day. And I've found numerous tree breaks. Those

1072
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:20,360
I've posted about on social.

1073
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 3: Media as well.

1074
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 2: But now I'm I'm bringing around I'm getting used to

1075
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,119
bringing around this p eleven hundred camera, this nikon with me.

1076
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,519
It's a fairly new purchase and I use it for

1077
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,199
you know, my social media right now, taking pictures of

1078
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,800
architecture and things of that nature. But I'm getting used

1079
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,559
to bringing that around with me, and you know, carrying

1080
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:42,119
a pack. Always kind of carried a pack with me,

1081
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,519
but I want it with me for one that the

1082
00:55:45,559 --> 00:55:49,239
opportunity presents itself. But I think whatever is meant to

1083
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,760
happen is going to happen, you know, and you can't

1084
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:53,679
always be prepared.

1085
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,079
Speaker 3: But things happen as they're supposed to happen.

1086
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,679
Speaker 1: Like the way you think, I really do. And I

1087
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,559
like the way you go out there as light as possible.

1088
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,000
I mean, there are advantages and disadvantages to that, just

1089
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:11,199
like there are advantages and disadvantages to everything. But I'm

1090
00:56:11,199 --> 00:56:13,079
sure there are a lot of people listening to this

1091
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,079
who think it's crazy for you to go out that way,

1092
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,320
just so light without much of anything in the way

1093
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,599
of gear. But yeah, I mean by going out that way,

1094
00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:24,760
that's going to enable you to do things that people

1095
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,239
who are loaded down they'd never be able to do.

1096
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,119
So it's all about give and take, it really is.

1097
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, the give and take.

1098
00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 2: And then again, I think that they can sense your

1099
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:42,159
energy and they know and it's almost like, I don't know,

1100
00:56:42,679 --> 00:56:45,079
like you're walking, you're walking around as like almost like

1101
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:47,719
a biosensor, like your aura.

1102
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 3: You know, your aura.

1103
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:55,159
Speaker 2: That's a legitimate thing, and I think that they can

1104
00:56:55,199 --> 00:56:58,519
feel it. It's all it's all vibration and resonance and frequency.

1105
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,920
And so if you follow your intuition and you're following

1106
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,599
your heart, and you are staying genuine to yourself and

1107
00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:10,039
you have good intent, Intentions are so very important when

1108
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:14,119
it comes to all this, especially spiritually, follow your intuition,

1109
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:17,599
follow your heart, and have good intent, and you're out

1110
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:19,880
doing it, then the right thing is going to happen

1111
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:20,960
when it's supposed to happen.

1112
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,559
Speaker 1: That does put you in a really good place to

1113
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:26,119
have an experience. I agree.

1114
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 3: Do you want me to drop my social media stuff?

1115
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? Please do.

1116
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1117
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 2: If people want to follow me on social media, you

1118
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:40,599
can look up Lance from Upstate l a Ncee from Upstate.

1119
00:57:42,599 --> 00:57:46,119
I have about thirty five thousand followers on Facebook right now,

1120
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,679
about twenty five thousand followers on TikTok, about the same

1121
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:53,679
on Instagram, and a few thousand on YouTube. But I

1122
00:57:53,719 --> 00:57:56,199
talk about all sorts of wild stuff. We talk about

1123
00:57:56,239 --> 00:57:58,639
cryptids and things of that nature, but we also talk

1124
00:57:58,679 --> 00:58:03,519
about a lot of that hidden history, his story, and

1125
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,360
we have a great community of people. And I've actually

1126
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,719
done some live streams where people have come on and

1127
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,199
they've talked about their sashquatch experiences.

1128
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 3: And so if you'd love to do you like to.

1129
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,639
Speaker 2: Check me out and give me a follow, I'd really

1130
00:58:16,639 --> 00:58:20,000
appreciate it. That's Lance from Upstate across all platforms. And

1131
00:58:20,239 --> 00:58:22,719
thank you very very much. Vic, I appreciate you and

1132
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,280
all you're doing well.

1133
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: You know you're welcome what Navid any other way, and

1134
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,440
for everyone listening so that you know I'm going to

1135
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,280
post links to everything that Lance just mentioned about is

1136
00:58:33,719 --> 00:58:36,559
social media everything that he wants to promote in the

1137
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:40,039
description for tonight's show, that'll make it really easy to find.

1138
00:58:40,599 --> 00:58:43,920
But having said that, thanks against so much for your time, Lance,

1139
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:53,639
and have a great night. That's it for another episode

1140
00:58:53,639 --> 00:58:57,880
of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with Vic Kundiff. If you've had

1141
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,519
a sasquatch encounter and would like to be guest on

1142
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:03,639
the show, please go to Bigfoot Eyewitness dot com and

1143
00:59:03,719 --> 00:59:04,639
submit a report.

1144
00:59:05,239 --> 00:59:09,599
Speaker 3: We'd love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, have

1145
00:59:09,719 --> 00:59:10,360
a great night.