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<v Speaker 2>Happy Friday Eve to you a reminder tomorrow's the Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>Special with Rob Ryder in studio with his guitar and

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<v Speaker 2>fun and games as we end the year. For me

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<v Speaker 2>Another one of my favorite things to do is talk

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<v Speaker 2>with book authors. And what an amazing book This one

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<v Speaker 2>is Your Roots Cast a Shadow one Family Search Across

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<v Speaker 2>History four belonging my guest Carolyn Toverman, who has this

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<v Speaker 2>amazing background. Born in Swing, raised in Canada, returned to

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<v Speaker 2>her ancestral roots in Poland back in twenty thirteen to

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<v Speaker 2>just explore love of traveling, experience different cultures and what

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<v Speaker 2>culture and different things she experienced. Also writes about her family.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, her her paternal grandmother was the first woman

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<v Speaker 2>who's allowed buy groceries at a local Afghan market. Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to the program, Carolyn Toverman. It is a pleasure to

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<v Speaker 2>have you on today.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for having me. It's nice to meet you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me first stay. They just point out I

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<v Speaker 2>am not a world of traveler by any stretch of

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<v Speaker 2>the imagination. The countries I visited included a business trip

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<v Speaker 2>to London, a trip to Ireland, and I've been to Canada.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go. Not exactly an adventurous person, am I?

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I've always found, you know, the United

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<v Speaker 2>States to be a fascinating place. And there's so many

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<v Speaker 2>places I've been to the United States, and every time

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<v Speaker 2>I go someplace I've never been here, Like, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>I went to Yellowstone for the first time in my

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<v Speaker 2>life just this past June. I was my mind was

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<v Speaker 2>blown that we have such beauty here in the in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, But you don't experience these radical cultural

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<v Speaker 2>distinct differences that you experience and write about in this book.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you always have this adventurous spirit in you? Did

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<v Speaker 2>you always want to travel?

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<v Speaker 4>Well? I like to say that I traveled before I

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<v Speaker 4>was even born. So my parents when they left Poland

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<v Speaker 4>in nineteen sixty eight, when they had to leave, they

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<v Speaker 4>couldn't come back.

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<v Speaker 3>They lived in Baghdad.

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<v Speaker 4>They lived in Paris, then they lived in Sweden, where

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<v Speaker 4>I was born. And because most of my family was

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<v Speaker 4>in Europe, every other summer we would go visit them

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<v Speaker 4>and we would get in the car and we would

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<v Speaker 4>take a road trip somewhere. And so, yes, I think

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<v Speaker 4>that it was just there wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>A choice fair enough. Now you have to do what

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<v Speaker 2>your parents do. It's like military families. You might end

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<v Speaker 2>up being a military brad traveling from base to base

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<v Speaker 2>your entire life. It does happen, so you had the

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<v Speaker 2>benefit of that. I think my parents more like me

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of less adventuresome. But I guess what is

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<v Speaker 2>the motivation behind your writing about all of the amazing

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<v Speaker 2>things that you find in your roots cast a shadow.

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<v Speaker 4>So because of travel, because of world wars and time

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<v Speaker 4>and politics, a lot of my family was fragmented, and

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know a lot of this information. The group

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<v Speaker 4>of us that lived in Canada was my mother, my father,

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<v Speaker 4>my sister, me and then just immediate cousins, and everyone else.

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<v Speaker 3>Was in Europe, so I didn't know them.

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<v Speaker 4>And when I moved and when I first started traveling,

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<v Speaker 4>and I first started talking to my parents and asking questions.

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<v Speaker 4>I just realized that there was such an incredible family

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<v Speaker 4>history that was that would have been lost if I

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<v Speaker 4>hadn't started to write about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, driven by your interest in your own family history,

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<v Speaker 2>which is so amazingly diverse, you obviously have a story

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you, but such I mean unbelievably different cultures

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<v Speaker 2>just within your family, you know, when you look at

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<v Speaker 2>the various areas, Like for example, when I introduced you,

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned your paternal grandmother, the first one who's labed

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<v Speaker 2>to buy groceries in a local Afghan market. So that

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<v Speaker 2>culture radically different than Canada or the United States or

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<v Speaker 2>even Poland.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 4>And they found themselves there almost by accident, because my

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<v Speaker 4>grandfather was an engineer. He was a road builder, and

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<v Speaker 4>he was one of the Polish engineers that helped build

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<v Speaker 4>the road from Kabul to Jalalabad in the nineteen forties.

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<v Speaker 4>But they found themselves in Afghanistan just before the war.

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<v Speaker 4>My father was already alive at the time, and so

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<v Speaker 4>they had no choice but to stay. They could not

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<v Speaker 4>go back to Europe. And my dad and my uncle

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<v Speaker 4>both grew up speaking Persian, so they had this ex

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<v Speaker 4>language and they just had this amazing experience living there

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<v Speaker 4>for the first seven or so years of their lives.

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<v Speaker 2>How about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>And I also note, and again from the notes, your

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish grandfather a rising star in the Communist Party. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>is that one of the reasons he had to flee

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<v Speaker 2>Poland at the beginning of World War two because he

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<v Speaker 2>was a Communist?

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<v Speaker 3>No, because because he was a Jew the Jewish part. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>there's that, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So he they were they I think it's what helped

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<v Speaker 4>him survive the war, was that he was a Communist

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<v Speaker 4>because he had people that he could reach. But my

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<v Speaker 4>grandparents actually fled to Uzbekistan. So they survived the war

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<v Speaker 4>in Tashkent, Uzbekistan, and then came back, but by way

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<v Speaker 4>of Moscow because that's where my grandfather had contacts.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, so they were there to see all of the

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<v Speaker 2>you know post y'allta division of the various countries between

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<v Speaker 2>the West and the East. Did you know them, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>were they are alive in your life? You had conversations

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, so my maternal grandparents I knew them. My grandmother

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<v Speaker 4>died about ten years ago, so I knew both of

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<v Speaker 4>them very well.

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<v Speaker 3>But they refused to talk about it. That was what

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<v Speaker 4>My grandfather wrote a book called It's a Chronicle of Events.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not officially published anywhere. It was friends and family.

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<v Speaker 4>He was an engineer, so it was mostly names, very

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<v Speaker 4>difficult to read. It's written in Polish, but he did

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<v Speaker 4>a chronicle of how they fled and what happened, and

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<v Speaker 4>so a lot of this book.

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<v Speaker 3>I relied on that information for a lot of this book.

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<v Speaker 2>How about that? Well, I also understand you are multi

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<v Speaker 2>lingual from someone I struggled in taking German. I had

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<v Speaker 2>to take German as a prerequisite to get a college degree,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and so five hour German. After I had

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of years in high school, I remember like

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<v Speaker 2>three words, you know. I never could get the gender,

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<v Speaker 2>my brain, I guess, just isn't cut out for it.

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<v Speaker 2>But you how many language can you speak?

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<v Speaker 3>So I speak three? My mother I spoke about seven

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<v Speaker 2>That's mind blowing to me.

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<v Speaker 3>But I've always spoken them.

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<v Speaker 4>I grew up I spoke Polish before I learned English,

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<v Speaker 4>and then I went to a French school. So they

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<v Speaker 4>were they have always been a part of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's wild now, Okay, In terms of who you

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<v Speaker 2>wrote the book for, I understand the motivation behind it. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 2>your background has this wonderful opportunity to learn so much

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<v Speaker 2>about your family while you know I obviously providing these

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful stories. Are are you writing it for people to

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<v Speaker 2>suggest that they too should look into their background for

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<v Speaker 2>their families, or it was just a personal exercise you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted it turned into a published work, or are you

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<v Speaker 2>trying to tell people to maybe get out of their

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<v Speaker 2>own backyard and get out into the world.

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<v Speaker 4>So originally, actually part of my pitch was that this

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<v Speaker 4>was for the armchair traveler, the person who knew that

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<v Speaker 4>there was more to their story, but they needed to

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<v Speaker 4>find it and they didn't know how. So this was

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit of a push for that. And ultimately

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's about starting conversations with people and realizing

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<v Speaker 4>that even though you know we may come from two

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<v Speaker 4>very different worlds, or even for people who haven't traveled

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<v Speaker 4>a lot, you know when you say you've always wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to or you started to learn German, I've always wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to learn German, and my grandparents actually lived in Germany.

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<v Speaker 4>And I have family in Germany, and so that's a connection,

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<v Speaker 4>that's something we can talk about. And it was really

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<v Speaker 4>to start these conversations between people just to show us

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<v Speaker 4>that we have a lot more in common sometimes than

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<v Speaker 4>we think we do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we live in a very divided world. And since

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<v Speaker 2>my radio program is mostly dedicated speaking and talking about

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<v Speaker 2>matters political, I often recommend and I was a litigation

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<v Speaker 2>attorney for sixteen years for I've been on radio, but

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<v Speaker 2>to start your conversations always try to spring from a

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<v Speaker 2>point of mutual interest. If you can find a point

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<v Speaker 2>of agreement, you at least start off on a pleasant foot,

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<v Speaker 2>even though that conversation may take a turn someplace, try

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<v Speaker 2>to find something a mutual agreement. So this is a

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful opportunity to do that. And I'm sure you get

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<v Speaker 2>this question all the time. But considering the global travel

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<v Speaker 2>and all of the places that you were and have

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<v Speaker 2>been in writing this book, what is the most interesting

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<v Speaker 2>thing or weirdest thing or funnest fact that you found

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<v Speaker 2>out about your family or family history during your discovery.

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<v Speaker 3>So a lot of.

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<v Speaker 4>It was what you mentioned that my grandmother was the

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<v Speaker 4>first woman allowed to trade with the men in the

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<v Speaker 4>square in Afghanistan. I think that was mind blowing. I

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<v Speaker 4>had no idea about that, and actually also just finding

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<v Speaker 4>out about my maternal grandparents and the journey that they

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<v Speaker 4>took partially on foot, by water, by train to flee.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think the thing that really sticks out to

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<v Speaker 4>me the most is they all chose to come back,

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<v Speaker 4>and they all returned to Poland in nineteen forty four.

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<v Speaker 4>And when I say that, people think, well, isn't that

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<v Speaker 4>too early, And I have to explain, well, no, the

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<v Speaker 4>front had already moved at that point, so they weren't

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<v Speaker 4>in danger. But it was that decision to return when

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<v Speaker 4>so many people just they had been done with it

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<v Speaker 2>And I can certainly understand that. But you know, there

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<v Speaker 2>is some weird connection that we as human beings had

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<v Speaker 2>with our home land. Come what may, politics otherwise you

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<v Speaker 2>still won't always go home. So I understand that, but

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<v Speaker 2>real quick before we part company again. The name of

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<v Speaker 2>the book, Your Roots Cast a Shadow, One family search

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<v Speaker 2>across history for belonging Carolyn Topperman, the author. You can

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<v Speaker 2>get a copy of the book at my blog page

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<v Speaker 2>fifty five cars dot com. On the Afghan market thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Did she get special treatment because her husband was building

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<v Speaker 2>a road or is this just a period of time

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<v Speaker 2>where there was a sociological advancement where women were accepted

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<v Speaker 2>and allowed to participate. What's what's the backstory on them?

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<v Speaker 3>And if I can ask, Yeah, absolutely so. No.

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<v Speaker 4>She actually the first time she went, she had rotten

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<v Speaker 4>fruit and stones thrown at her. They didn't want her there,

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<v Speaker 4>and she was just extremely determined to do that that

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<v Speaker 4>And the other thing that's not in this part of

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<v Speaker 2>She's like the rows of parks of Afghanistan a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome, Well, Carolyn Topperman, and has been a real

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<v Speaker 2>family's history or perhaps even travel abroad. Carolyn, thanks again.

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