WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:01.159 I'm Karen killed JFK. 2 00:00:01.280 --> 00:00:04.519 I mean, I do, because it's really interesting. But I 3 00:00:04.559 --> 00:00:06.519 noticed that the calendar says twenty twenty five. He was 4 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:08.919 killed in nineteen sixty three. And so my opinion about 5 00:00:08.919 --> 00:00:10.839 who kill JFK has about as much relevance as who 6 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:13.599 killed William McKinley, which is to our James Garfield, which is. 7 00:00:13.560 --> 00:00:15.919 To say, not an enormous amount. 8 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:19.239 Statement Ben Shapiro made has naturally backfired because now people 9 00:00:19.239 --> 00:00:22.480 are questioning Israel's role in John F. Kennedy's assassination, even 10 00:00:22.519 --> 00:00:24.480 mind that John F. Kennedy was trying to stop Israel 11 00:00:24.519 --> 00:00:27.640 from developing nuclear weapons at the Demona Nuclear Testing Ground. 12 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:30.559 He was also forcing APAC to register as a foreign agent. 13 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:33.399 Obviously after his assassination that didn't happen, and Asnett and 14 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:36.119 Yahuo says, we're now connected for good. And on top 15 00:00:36.159 --> 00:00:38.759 of trying to stop Israel from developing nuclear weapons and 16 00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:41.479 forcing APAC to register as a foreign agent, he also 17 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:44.759 put forward a UN resolution to force Israel to accept 18 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:47.920 eight hundred thousand or so Palestinians displaced during the knutbut 19 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:50.399 to return back to their homes. This article was posted 20 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:52.439 in The New York Times two days before John F. 21 00:00:52.479 --> 00:00:56.759 Kennedy's assassination, US sand angers Israel and quote the strongest terms. 22 00:00:56.920 --> 00:00:57.560 While John F. 23 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:00.479 Kennedy was trying to stop Israel from developing nuclear weapons, 24 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:02.679 the CIA chief at the time of John F. Kennedy's 25 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:06.760 assassination was actually working with Israeli Massad, sending them radioactive 26 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:09.599 material to develop their nuclear weapons. Also keep in mind, 27 00:01:09.599 --> 00:01:12.480 mordechaivan Unu, the Israeli nuclear technician who worked at israel 28 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:15.079 Simona Nuclear testing Ground, stated that he had near certain 29 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:17.719 indications that John F. Kennedy was assassinated because of the 30 00:01:17.719 --> 00:01:20.040 pressure he put on Israel's prime ministers stopped them from 31 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:22.719 developing nuclear weapons. He's still alive and held in Israel 32 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:25.519 for treason since nineteen eighty six. So at the secret 33 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:28.000 ceremony the Massade held for the CIA chief that passed 34 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:30.680 away during John F. Kennedy's assassination that was helping Israel 35 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:33.959 develop nuclear weapons stated themselves that they commemorated a great 36 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:36.680 friend who saw Israel US relations through their most difficult 37 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:37.799 period in forty years of it. 38 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:39.879 I'm not going to pretend that I have the answers, 39 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:43.000 ladies and gentlemen I don't really know, but there are 40 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:47.760 experts out there that have spent decades tirelessly researching every 41 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:51.640 aspect of the JFK assassination. And I am thrilled today 42 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:55.120 thanks to my friend Richard Booth, who is an OKC expert, 43 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:59.599 to invite on and to have on mister Jim Dugenio. 44 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:02.359 Thank you so much for doing me, Jim nice, nice 45 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:02.840 to be here. 46 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:08.520 And by the way, that that overture that's see, this 47 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:12.919 is something that not very many people know about. Is 48 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:18.560 you have to have the story there, okay, about Demona 49 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:25.840 and the repatriotation of the thousands of Palestinian refugees that 50 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:30.680 Kennedy was advocating for. But there's another part of the equation. 51 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:40.719 JFK was doing everything he could to develop relationship with 52 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:49.879 Gamal abdel Nasser of Egypt, all right, because Nasser was 53 00:02:50.840 --> 00:03:00.039 a secularist and a socialist, okay, And Kennedy thought that, 54 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:09.120 unlike Saudi Arabia, which was a fundamentalist Islamic country that 55 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:13.400 did not allow democracy, did not allow women's rights and 56 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:17.120 by the way, they still don't, okay, that if he 57 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:23.240 could develop a relationship with Naser, this could be a 58 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:30.039 way of modernizing and westernizing the Middle East. Because Nasar 59 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:35.719 was by far and away the most popular Arab leader 60 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:40.080 of that time and probably for centuries before that time. Okay, 61 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:46.639 that's how charismatic and populist that Nasar was. Now, as 62 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:52.159 you would naturally understand from what I have said, that 63 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:55.759 Saudis did not like this, okay, because they really didn't 64 00:03:55.840 --> 00:04:03.120 like Nassar because Naser believed that the oil in the 65 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:09.120 Middle East belonged to all the Arabs, okay, and he 66 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:14.759 wanted to use those riches to build schools and hospitals. 67 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:19.439 And this is why Kennedy like them, all right, because 68 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:22.160 it would be a way of modernizing the Middle East, 69 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:28.240 all right. Now, Israel didn't like Nasa because they understood 70 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:34.800 he was the one Arab leader who could unite the 71 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:38.319 great mass of Arabs in the Middle East against them, 72 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:39.560 all right. 73 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:40.800 So Kennedy was. 74 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:46.319 Really caught in a very difficult situation with this new 75 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:49.040 Middle East policy that he was trying. 76 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:49.879 You know. 77 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:53.759 It was like trying to juggle four eggs at the 78 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:57.360 same time, you know, And so it was a very 79 00:04:57.399 --> 00:05:00.439 difficult task that he had and make no mi stake 80 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:05.639 both the Israelis and the Saudis understood what he was 81 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:09.079 trying to do, and they really didn't like it. In fact, 82 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:14.160 beyond that, they were trying to subvert it. All right, Okay, 83 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:16.959 so this is the kind of president. So when Ben 84 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:23.199 Shapiro says, why should I give two bits about, you know, 85 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:25.399 what Kennedy was trying to do, well, this is one 86 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:27.959 of the reasons that we should all give a little 87 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:30.160 bit more than two bits about what Kennedy was trying 88 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:34.240 to do, because I firmly believe that if Kennedy had lived, 89 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:36.959 there would have been no nineteen sixty seven more. 90 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:39.920 That's how much Nasser loved Kennedy. 91 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:47.439 When Kennedy passed away, Nasser couldn't sleep, okay, and then 92 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:54.959 he he demanded that Egyptian television play his funeral. I 93 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:58.040 think three or four times that he had had broadcast 94 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:02.879 on Egyptian national television, you know. And Kennedy's death is, 95 00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:07.399 of course what led I believe to the sixty seven war, 96 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:13.040 because Johnson and just about every president afterwards, whereas Kennedy 97 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:16.480 was trying to do a balancing act, everybody else just 98 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:19.759 tilted so far towards Israel. You know that we have 99 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:23.560 this situation there we have now, and again I'm glad 100 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:27.279 you brought that up, because see, people talk about Kennedy 101 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:33.199 and Vietnam, they talk about Kennedy and Cuba, but hardly 102 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:35.600 anybody ever talks about Kennedy in the Middle East. 103 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:39.519 I've evolved my position on this overtime for the longest time, 104 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:43.439 you know, being a libertarian, I'm very skeptical of my 105 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:46.120 own intelligence agencies, and I've always just assumed it was 106 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:51.839 probably FBI, LBJCIA, you know, inside job, and I still 107 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:53.879 tend to believe that they were involved in it. But 108 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:57.199 I never really gave much credence to the fact that 109 00:06:57.240 --> 00:07:02.000 it could be Israeli or Massade that was involved, or 110 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:05.240 the Cubans for that matter, you know, the Mob I 111 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:06.720 kind of gave a little bit of credence to, but 112 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:07.519 I wasn't really sure. 113 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:09.360 So I am. 114 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:13.120 I'm much more open to all participants at this point, 115 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:15.879 and as I said, I don't have a really firm conclusion, 116 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:17.959 but at this point I do think that that in 117 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:21.160 terms of motive, just motive alone, it does seem as 118 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:22.639 if Israel had the most motive. 119 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:26.519 Well, okay, I'll get that now. Let me interrupt you 120 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:27.279 there for a second. 121 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:30.519 Sure, there's a lot of institutions who had a lot 122 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:32.959 of different reasons for killing JFK. 123 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:35.879 You just mentioned a few of them, okay. 124 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:39.040 But see, then what we do is we get into 125 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:44.000 the actual investigation of the crime and the forensics of 126 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:50.160 the crime. I've been doing this for thirty two years now, okay. 127 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:54.399 And see there isn't any evidence for say, like the Mossad, 128 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:58.879 you know, when you examine the actual crime scene and 129 00:07:58.879 --> 00:07:59.839 stuff like that. 130 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:00.879 Okay. 131 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:04.839 So as George Galloway once, I was on his show 132 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:09.879 a few months ago, and we talked about this, okay, 133 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:12.759 and he asked me this question, and I said, you know, 134 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:17.079 I've never seen any evidence, you know, for the Mossad 135 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:21.240 or the Israelis being behind the Kennedy assassination. And he said, 136 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:24.399 neither have I. But I don't think they shed in 137 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:29.000 these tears about his death. So I think that's the 138 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:32.720 best way you know to to answer. And by the way, 139 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:41.240 one thing we left out when Kennedy sent his letter, 140 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:46.559 his threatening letter to Bengurion, which I believe was in 141 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:51.159 this summer of nineteen sixty three, maybe August, and he 142 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:56.120 essentially said, you are either gonna let us into Demona, 143 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:01.240 are we gonna hold your funding in limbo, right, okay. 144 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:06.279 Ben Gurian resigned the next day. I always do that 145 00:09:06.279 --> 00:09:09.840 part interesting, Yes, well, that that was interesting, you know. 146 00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:14.600 And then you know what happened then, of course was 147 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:21.360 Johnson was I don't know how to explain this. It 148 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:26.440 was probably one of the astaunchest supporters of Israel, you 149 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:29.919 know that we've had since and in fact, before the 150 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:34.879 Israeli started the sixty seven war, they flew some of 151 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:41.039 their guys into Washington because they wanted to know if 152 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:44.440 the same thing was going to happen, you know, has 153 00:09:44.480 --> 00:09:50.639 happened in nineteen fifty six, okay, with the the Suez Crisis, 154 00:09:51.399 --> 00:09:59.320 whereas Eisenhower and Foster Dulles stopped the whole thing frozen, 155 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:03.360 you know, because they did not want the Israelis to 156 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:06.360 go ahead and overrun this to has Canal, all right. 157 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:09.840 They didn't want to repeat to that, all right, And 158 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:15.440 Johnson gave us okay, you know, and that's essentially which 159 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:18.399 I don't think Kennedy ever would have done. Okay, And 160 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:24.399 so that's that's what happened. And with Johnson switch in policies. 161 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:28.840 So see, very few people know anything about this and 162 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:32.279 and very few less people even talk about it, Okay, 163 00:10:32.279 --> 00:10:35.159 but it's one of the things that I believe that 164 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:40.200 makes the Kennedy assassination relevant, and that people like Ben 165 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:42.639 Shapiro don't know anything about this or else, they just 166 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:46.120 don't give two bits about it, you know. I think 167 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:50.919 that tells us a lot about you know, the intellectual 168 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:55.360 lacuna that people have about the JFK case. You know, 169 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:58.720 we go on and other things like Vietnam, you know, 170 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:01.519 in Cuba or I know, all those things, but this 171 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:05.039 is one of the things I believe is most relevant. 172 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:08.120 To the modern world. 173 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:10.639 Oh, I completely agree, and I think that's why it 174 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:13.159 created such a firestorm when Ben Shapiro said that, you know, 175 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:13.960 who really cares? 176 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:16.639 What's it matter? What difference does it make? 177 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:17.039 What matter? 178 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:21.039 Well, it was a sitting United States president that was assassinated, 179 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:22.759 and we still don't really have the answer as to 180 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:26.519 who and why. And yeah, I don't think that there's 181 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:28.840 many things that matter more. According to Ron Paul, that 182 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:31.360 was the moment that the Republic ended. So that's a 183 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:34.919 pretty big deal from Ron Paul's perspective. Ben Shapiro, I 184 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:37.639 am of the belief, is a very intelligent person. So 185 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:41.159 you can guess my opinion as to why he's saying 186 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:43.279 it doesn't matter is because he doesn't like where those 187 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:47.080 bread crumbs lead and let me just kind of push back, 188 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:49.240 but not really just add another bit of information to 189 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:53.600 get your feedback. It was James James Jesus Angleton, the 190 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:58.120 counterintelligence head of the CIA, who in these most recent disclosures, 191 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:01.159 but I think most of them were older disclosed, it 192 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:05.120 was quite evident that he had off the books communications 193 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:10.399 and kind of was like being handled by Israeli agents. 194 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:13.799 It's a very very interesting relationship. I'm just curious. I 195 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:15.960 will grant you that I do not believe that it 196 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:17.559 was Masad that pulled the trigger. I don't think that 197 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:19.200 there was Massad agents on the ground, at least there's 198 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:23.159 no evidence to prove that. However, Angleton's relationship with the 199 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:25.879 Israelis is very interesting, and if you believe that the 200 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:30.039 CIA was involved, you might ask yourself was that you know? 201 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:33.279 Well, see that that's what a lot of people are thinking. 202 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:38.960 That see, because Angleton more or less ran the Mossad 203 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:43.919 desk at the CIA, and see as more of these, 204 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:47.039 more and more of these documents come out, it bes 205 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:52.200 beginning to look like at the very least, you know 206 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:56.919 that Angleton knew everything that os Hoold was doing, you know, 207 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:02.200 up until yeah, a long long time. And as people 208 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:07.960 have come to the conclusion, Angleton had a something like 209 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:10.720 a I think one hundred and eighty page DOSSI eight 210 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:14.679 on Oswald by the day of the by the day 211 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:20.559 of the assassination. Now, Angleton is such an interesting figure 212 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:26.600 because if you want to see a prototypical profile of 213 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:30.919 a Cold warrior at that time, you know, this is 214 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:34.840 a guy who saw Communists every place, you know, probably 215 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:39.559 because to give you a little background. Because of I'm 216 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:42.080 sure you're aware of this, most of your listeners are 217 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:46.200 the whole Kim Philby thing, you know, which took place 218 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:49.960 a decade before Kim Philby was. 219 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:51.799 I remember that story, but please recap it. 220 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:57.879 Yeah, yeah, Kim Philby was a British six liason and 221 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:00.600 you don't know six is there CIA? 222 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:01.600 Okay? 223 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:06.519 He was a liaison to Langley. Excuse me, he wasn't 224 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:10.399 Langby the CIA headquarters, you know, in the nineteen fifties, 225 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:20.600 and he and Angleton became best buddies, all right, But 226 00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:30.159 what happened was Philby was actually a Russian agent, Okay, 227 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:41.519 he snookered Angleton, hook Line and Sinker, and Angleton's rival 228 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:45.200 in the CIA, a guy named Bill Harvey. All Right, 229 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:53.639 he suspected that Philby was a Russian agent undercover, and 230 00:14:54.159 --> 00:15:00.960 Angleton didn't, all right, And when we're came the worst. 231 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:05.759 And first of all, even the British suspected that phil 232 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:09.080 b was an agent, and they exiled him to someplace 233 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:12.759 I think in Lebanon or something, all right. And then 234 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:17.440 when phil Be suspected that it was all over and 235 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:20.840 they were going to arrest them, which they were, Okay, 236 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:23.879 he fled to the Soviet Union. 237 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:25.399 And then he. 238 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:28.799 Started talking about how he had taken Angleton for a. 239 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:30.399 Ride, okay. 240 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:36.360 And this really really did something to James Angleton, okay 241 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:39.440 when he was exposed, you know, and and and the 242 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:43.039 CIA gave Harvey a lot of credit for suspecting this, 243 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:45.799 you know, whereas Angleton was more or less out on 244 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:47.080 the the out in the. 245 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:47.960 Cold the whole time. 246 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:55.000 And so this really kind of radicalized Angleton, okay, to 247 00:15:55.080 --> 00:16:00.919 the point that he began to suspect everything left and right, 248 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:05.600 you know, was part of this giant communist conspiracy. And 249 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:12.200 this went on until finally Angleton was fired by Bill 250 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:15.879 Colby in nineteen seventy five because he had more or 251 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:20.759 less paralyzed the whole CIA, you know, and into this 252 00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:24.279 whole paranoid state. And a lot of people think that 253 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:28.320 this all began with his experience with Kim Philby. Now 254 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:35.159 getting back to the point, no one had more access 255 00:16:35.559 --> 00:16:41.320 to Oswald files in the CIA than James Angleton did. 256 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:44.679 And one other point that we should bring up. 257 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:55.480 When Alan Dulles died in nineteen sixty nine, James Angleton 258 00:16:55.639 --> 00:17:02.399 carried his ashes to the burial. That's how close James 259 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:08.880 Angleton was to Dulles. And now flash back to nineteen 260 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:10.640 sixty one. 261 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:12.079 It was John F. 262 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:17.000 Kennedy who fired Alan Dulles, right, all right, okay, And 263 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:20.440 Angleton owed his whole career. 264 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:23.240 Was Dulls the original head of the CIA. 265 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:26.279 Well, Dulles was the head of the CIA, he was 266 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:30.799 director of the CIA. Angleton was head of counterintelligence, all right. 267 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:36.359 And they used to call Angleton no knock Angleton because 268 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:38.960 he was the only guy that could walk into Dulles's 269 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:40.200 office unannounced. 270 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:42.480 That's how on good terms they were. 271 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:48.319 So when you can imagine the way Angleton felt when 272 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:52.480 Dulles was fired, okay. And by the way, it wasn't 273 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:57.680 just Dulles. Kennedy also fired Cabell okay, who was the 274 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:03.079 deputy director, and he also fired Bissle Dick Bissell, who 275 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:06.279 was a director of plans. Now, I don't know if 276 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:10.799 you understand this, but the reason for these firings and 277 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:13.559 the reason for us is in the media right now. 278 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:17.559 This whole thing about the Schlessinger memo is that which 279 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:22.039 was supposed to be Kennedy's plan to completely restructure the 280 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:28.000 CIA was over the fact that Kennedy was not as 281 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:32.839 misled he was lied to about the Bay of Pigs invasion, 282 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:37.359 all right, and this is why he approved it, all right. 283 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:43.599 Then when it turned into a disaster beyond anybody's imagining, Okay, 284 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:51.000 Kennedy really fell well that night, he actually cried into 285 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:55.319 his wife's arms, okay, because he couldn't sleep because of 286 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:55.839 what had. 287 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:57.000 Happened, all right. 288 00:18:57.039 --> 00:19:01.839 And then he made that famous edge, which I'm sure 289 00:19:01.880 --> 00:19:05.279 you're familiar with, that he was gonna splinter the CIA 290 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:08.480 into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds, 291 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:12.880 all right. And this is when Schleschinger, who was a 292 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:17.960 White House eight at that time, he and Kennedy decided 293 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:23.599 that they were going to go ahead and revamp the CIA. Okay, 294 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:27.599 and and the Slushinger pri And by the way, I'm 295 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:32.799 sure you're aware of this. That memo that Schleschinger wrote 296 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:39.680 has only now only now been completely declassified. Can you 297 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:44.559 imagine this? This is sixty four years later and we 298 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:48.680 only now have to completely declassified Schleschinger memo. 299 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:53.599 You know, and the thing doesn't doesn't that scream? There's 300 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:55.039 a reason for that classification? 301 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:56.519 I would I would think so. 302 00:19:56.759 --> 00:19:57.799 Yeah. 303 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:00.880 See, one of the things that that the CI didn't 304 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:01.640 want you to know. 305 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:04.759 Is this that. 306 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:10.640 In just for example, in the American embassy in Paris, 307 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:16.960 the CIA had one hundred and twenty eight agents under 308 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:20.839 State Department cover in that one embassy. 309 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:23.319 All right, that was one. 310 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:26.680 Of the things that the American embassy in Paris. 311 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:29.000 Now, why is that so important? 312 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:36.319 Because Charles de Gaune, the president of France, strongly suspected 313 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:42.559 that the CIA was helping the renegade band of Algerian officers, 314 00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:48.799 the OAS, to overthrow him. Okay, and during the attempt 315 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:52.279 at overthrow, should explain what the OAS was. Yeah, that 316 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:56.119 won't take long. See, sure, France was involved in this 317 00:20:56.240 --> 00:21:02.400 civil war off their Northern Africa colony Algeria that wanted 318 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:06.799 to be free, okay, and there was and de Gaulle 319 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:12.000 was for Algerian independence. But the OAS was a renegade 320 00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:16.240 military group that did not want to set Algeria free. 321 00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:19.440 And they were pretty powerful group, you know, hundreds of 322 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:23.680 not thousands of members, all right, and they were involved 323 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:26.960 in this overthrow of the gaul so that Algeria would 324 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:30.079 not be what would not be set free. And the 325 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:34.799 CIA and Alan Dulles among others, and I think Bissel 326 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:40.359 also they were secretly backing the OAS and their overthrow 327 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:46.279 attempt against the gaul right, And so yeah, well yeah, 328 00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:50.200 and so Kennedy got on the phone with the French 329 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:55.680 ambassador in the United States and told him, look, I 330 00:21:55.720 --> 00:21:58.839 am not behind this thing, you know, I don't want 331 00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:01.880 to see de gall over throne, but I have to 332 00:22:01.960 --> 00:22:06.319 tell you the CIA there's a lot of crazy things, 333 00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:08.440 you know that most of the time I don't even 334 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:11.680 know what they're doing, you know, so I can't vouch 335 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:13.000 for them, you know. 336 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:16.200 And so this is why that memo. 337 00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:22.200 Which in which Schleschinger exposed how the State Department had 338 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:25.720 been penetrated by the CIA. This is why the CI 339 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:27.799 didn't want to know anything about it. Now, let me 340 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:32.240 give you a little backstory on this, as I think 341 00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:36.200 most of your listeners know. From nineteen ninety four to 342 00:22:36.279 --> 00:22:41.559 nineteen ninety eight, because of the firestorm over Oliver Stone's 343 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:49.119 movie JFK. All right, the Congress created a Citizens Board 344 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:54.920 to declassify all the secret documents that the government was 345 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:56.920 keeping about the Kennedy assassination. 346 00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:01.799 And they declassified about me in pages. But they're not 347 00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:02.359 done yet. 348 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:05.160 And so this is why Trump had designed that executive order. 349 00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:15.119 Prior to the creation of that board, the CIA had classified. 350 00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:22.000 Now get this, the Strutchinger memo sixteen pages long. They 351 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:25.559 had cut it down to five pages, and of those 352 00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:30.799 five pages, three of them were completely blacked out, were 353 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:34.079 completely with They didn't want you to know anything about 354 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:38.519 the Schleschinger Memo, all right. So then when the review 355 00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:44.680 board came in in ninety four, they managed to declassify. 356 00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:47.799 First of all, they restored the whole memo, but they 357 00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:53.000 CIA insisted on having two pages classified. Okay, And it 358 00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:56.759 was about this problem, how the CIA had penetrated the 359 00:23:56.759 --> 00:23:59.839 State Department, Okay, And I don't know how Schruschinger got 360 00:23:59.880 --> 00:24:06.599 the figures, but he did. And forty seven percent of 361 00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:11.759 the State Department employees in these foreign embassies. 362 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:13.599 Were there under CIA cover. 363 00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:18.519 And Schlessinger said, more or less, how do you run 364 00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:22.839 your foreign policy when almost half of these people in 365 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:27.400 these embassies are CIA agents? Okay, And let's just remember 366 00:24:28.119 --> 00:24:33.880 in nineteen sixty one, not only did the CIA capsize 367 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:36.599 the Bay of Pigs by lying the JFK about it, 368 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:38.240 because he never would have launched it if you would 369 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:42.400 have known what the real circumstances were. They not only 370 00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:48.160 were urging the oas to overthrow the gaull in Paris. 371 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:48.759 But. 372 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:59.519 They had subverted JFK's policy in Congo. Congo was a 373 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:05.440 former Belgians colony that had just been set free, and 374 00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:10.200 a man named Patrice Lamumba had won a democratic election 375 00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:16.240 under a constitutional republic. All right, he was going to 376 00:25:16.279 --> 00:25:23.359 be the first elected president of Congo. Well, Dullasnesse I 377 00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:28.319 didn't like this, and neither did Eisenhower, all right, and 378 00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:36.799 they devised a series of plans to assassinate Lamumba, all right. 379 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:40.079 And I believe there were like four or five plots 380 00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:46.319 to kill him. Knowing of course that Kennedy back Lamumba. 381 00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:50.279 Kennedy wanted to see La Mumba as president. It was 382 00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:53.720 a whole part of his plan to free Africa, all right, 383 00:25:54.640 --> 00:26:00.759 And so these plots did not succeed. And then they 384 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:02.000 devised a way. 385 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:04.839 To place. 386 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:12.240 Lamumba under house arrest. And then once he was set free. 387 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:15.599 Once he escaped from house arrest and he was fleeing 388 00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:21.880 to his base in Stanleyville, the CIA helped his enemies 389 00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:25.079 because there was a secession crisis. The state of Katanga, 390 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:28.039 with British and Belgian help, was going to try and 391 00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:30.799 break away from the rest of the Congo, and Lamumba 392 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:37.960 was resisting this. They helped track Lamumba and turn him 393 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:43.000 over and fly him to Katanga, where he was placed 394 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:50.920 before a firing squad and killed. Afterwards, they didn't want 395 00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:54.279 they didn't want people to find out where he was 396 00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:57.160 buried because they were worried about him becoming a martyr. 397 00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:02.000 So the CIA and the Katangi's dug up his body 398 00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:06.640 and they incinerated it with sulfuric acid and then when 399 00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:08.559 the zulfuric acid ran out. 400 00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:10.680 They just burned the rest of the corpse. 401 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:15.200