Speaker 1: I'm Karen killed JFK.
Speaker 2: I mean, I do, because it's really interesting. But I
Speaker 2: noticed that the calendar says twenty twenty five. He was
Speaker 2: killed in nineteen sixty three. And so my opinion about
Speaker 2: who kill JFK has about as much relevance as who
Speaker 2: killed William McKinley, which is to our James Garfield, which is.
Speaker 3: To say, not an enormous amount.
Speaker 4: Statement Ben Shapiro made has naturally backfired because now people
Speaker 4: are questioning Israel's role in John F. Kennedy's assassination, even
Speaker 4: mind that John F. Kennedy was trying to stop Israel
Speaker 4: from developing nuclear weapons at the Demona Nuclear Testing Ground.
Speaker 4: He was also forcing APAC to register as a foreign agent.
Speaker 4: Obviously after his assassination that didn't happen, and Asnett and
Speaker 4: Yahuo says, we're now connected for good. And on top
Speaker 4: of trying to stop Israel from developing nuclear weapons and
Speaker 4: forcing APAC to register as a foreign agent, he also
Speaker 4: put forward a UN resolution to force Israel to accept
Speaker 4: eight hundred thousand or so Palestinians displaced during the knutbut
Speaker 4: to return back to their homes. This article was posted
Speaker 4: in The New York Times two days before John F.
Speaker 4: Kennedy's assassination, US sand angers Israel and quote the strongest terms.
Speaker 3: While John F.
Speaker 4: Kennedy was trying to stop Israel from developing nuclear weapons,
Speaker 4: the CIA chief at the time of John F. Kennedy's
Speaker 4: assassination was actually working with Israeli Massad, sending them radioactive
Speaker 4: material to develop their nuclear weapons. Also keep in mind,
Speaker 4: mordechaivan Unu, the Israeli nuclear technician who worked at israel
Speaker 4: Simona Nuclear testing Ground, stated that he had near certain
Speaker 4: indications that John F. Kennedy was assassinated because of the
Speaker 4: pressure he put on Israel's prime ministers stopped them from
Speaker 4: developing nuclear weapons. He's still alive and held in Israel
Speaker 4: for treason since nineteen eighty six. So at the secret
Speaker 4: ceremony the Massade held for the CIA chief that passed
Speaker 4: away during John F. Kennedy's assassination that was helping Israel
Speaker 4: develop nuclear weapons stated themselves that they commemorated a great
Speaker 4: friend who saw Israel US relations through their most difficult
Speaker 4: period in forty years of it.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to pretend that I have the answers,
Speaker 5: ladies and gentlemen I don't really know, but there are
Speaker 5: experts out there that have spent decades tirelessly researching every
Speaker 5: aspect of the JFK assassination. And I am thrilled today
Speaker 5: thanks to my friend Richard Booth, who is an OKC expert,
Speaker 5: to invite on and to have on mister Jim Dugenio.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for doing me, Jim nice, nice
Speaker 3: to be here.
Speaker 6: And by the way, that that overture that's see, this
Speaker 6: is something that not very many people know about. Is
Speaker 6: you have to have the story there, okay, about Demona
Speaker 6: and the repatriotation of the thousands of Palestinian refugees that
Speaker 6: Kennedy was advocating for. But there's another part of the equation.
Speaker 6: JFK was doing everything he could to develop relationship with
Speaker 6: Gamal abdel Nasser of Egypt, all right, because Nasser was
Speaker 6: a secularist and a socialist, okay, And Kennedy thought that,
Speaker 6: unlike Saudi Arabia, which was a fundamentalist Islamic country that
Speaker 6: did not allow democracy, did not allow women's rights and
Speaker 6: by the way, they still don't, okay, that if he
Speaker 6: could develop a relationship with Naser, this could be a
Speaker 6: way of modernizing and westernizing the Middle East. Because Nasar
Speaker 6: was by far and away the most popular Arab leader
Speaker 6: of that time and probably for centuries before that time. Okay,
Speaker 6: that's how charismatic and populist that Nasar was. Now, as
Speaker 6: you would naturally understand from what I have said, that
Speaker 6: Saudis did not like this, okay, because they really didn't
Speaker 6: like Nassar because Naser believed that the oil in the
Speaker 6: Middle East belonged to all the Arabs, okay, and he
Speaker 6: wanted to use those riches to build schools and hospitals.
Speaker 6: And this is why Kennedy like them, all right, because
Speaker 6: it would be a way of modernizing the Middle East,
Speaker 6: all right. Now, Israel didn't like Nasa because they understood
Speaker 6: he was the one Arab leader who could unite the
Speaker 6: great mass of Arabs in the Middle East against them,
Speaker 6: all right.
Speaker 3: So Kennedy was.
Speaker 6: Really caught in a very difficult situation with this new
Speaker 6: Middle East policy that he was trying.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: It was like trying to juggle four eggs at the
Speaker 6: same time, you know, And so it was a very
Speaker 6: difficult task that he had and make no mi stake
Speaker 6: both the Israelis and the Saudis understood what he was
Speaker 6: trying to do, and they really didn't like it. In fact,
Speaker 6: beyond that, they were trying to subvert it. All right, Okay,
Speaker 6: so this is the kind of president. So when Ben
Speaker 6: Shapiro says, why should I give two bits about, you know,
Speaker 6: what Kennedy was trying to do, well, this is one
Speaker 6: of the reasons that we should all give a little
Speaker 6: bit more than two bits about what Kennedy was trying
Speaker 6: to do, because I firmly believe that if Kennedy had lived,
Speaker 6: there would have been no nineteen sixty seven more.
Speaker 3: That's how much Nasser loved Kennedy.
Speaker 6: When Kennedy passed away, Nasser couldn't sleep, okay, and then
Speaker 6: he he demanded that Egyptian television play his funeral. I
Speaker 6: think three or four times that he had had broadcast
Speaker 6: on Egyptian national television, you know. And Kennedy's death is,
Speaker 6: of course what led I believe to the sixty seven war,
Speaker 6: because Johnson and just about every president afterwards, whereas Kennedy
Speaker 6: was trying to do a balancing act, everybody else just
Speaker 6: tilted so far towards Israel. You know that we have
Speaker 6: this situation there we have now, and again I'm glad
Speaker 6: you brought that up, because see, people talk about Kennedy
Speaker 6: and Vietnam, they talk about Kennedy and Cuba, but hardly
Speaker 6: anybody ever talks about Kennedy in the Middle East.
Speaker 5: I've evolved my position on this overtime for the longest time,
Speaker 5: you know, being a libertarian, I'm very skeptical of my
Speaker 5: own intelligence agencies, and I've always just assumed it was
Speaker 5: probably FBI, LBJCIA, you know, inside job, and I still
Speaker 5: tend to believe that they were involved in it. But
Speaker 5: I never really gave much credence to the fact that
Speaker 5: it could be Israeli or Massade that was involved, or
Speaker 5: the Cubans for that matter, you know, the Mob I
Speaker 5: kind of gave a little bit of credence to, but
Speaker 5: I wasn't really sure.
Speaker 1: So I am.
Speaker 5: I'm much more open to all participants at this point,
Speaker 5: and as I said, I don't have a really firm conclusion,
Speaker 5: but at this point I do think that that in
Speaker 5: terms of motive, just motive alone, it does seem as
Speaker 5: if Israel had the most motive.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, I'll get that now. Let me interrupt you
Speaker 3: there for a second.
Speaker 6: Sure, there's a lot of institutions who had a lot
Speaker 6: of different reasons for killing JFK.
Speaker 3: You just mentioned a few of them, okay.
Speaker 6: But see, then what we do is we get into
Speaker 6: the actual investigation of the crime and the forensics of
Speaker 6: the crime. I've been doing this for thirty two years now, okay.
Speaker 6: And see there isn't any evidence for say, like the Mossad,
Speaker 6: you know, when you examine the actual crime scene and
Speaker 6: stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 6: So as George Galloway once, I was on his show
Speaker 6: a few months ago, and we talked about this, okay,
Speaker 6: and he asked me this question, and I said, you know,
Speaker 6: I've never seen any evidence, you know, for the Mossad
Speaker 6: or the Israelis being behind the Kennedy assassination. And he said,
Speaker 6: neither have I. But I don't think they shed in
Speaker 6: these tears about his death. So I think that's the
Speaker 6: best way you know to to answer. And by the way,
Speaker 6: one thing we left out when Kennedy sent his letter,
Speaker 6: his threatening letter to Bengurion, which I believe was in
Speaker 6: this summer of nineteen sixty three, maybe August, and he
Speaker 6: essentially said, you are either gonna let us into Demona,
Speaker 6: are we gonna hold your funding in limbo, right, okay.
Speaker 6: Ben Gurian resigned the next day. I always do that
Speaker 6: part interesting, Yes, well, that that was interesting, you know.
Speaker 6: And then you know what happened then, of course was
Speaker 6: Johnson was I don't know how to explain this. It
Speaker 6: was probably one of the astaunchest supporters of Israel, you
Speaker 6: know that we've had since and in fact, before the
Speaker 6: Israeli started the sixty seven war, they flew some of
Speaker 6: their guys into Washington because they wanted to know if
Speaker 6: the same thing was going to happen, you know, has
Speaker 6: happened in nineteen fifty six, okay, with the the Suez Crisis,
Speaker 6: whereas Eisenhower and Foster Dulles stopped the whole thing frozen,
Speaker 6: you know, because they did not want the Israelis to
Speaker 6: go ahead and overrun this to has Canal, all right.
Speaker 6: They didn't want to repeat to that, all right, And
Speaker 6: Johnson gave us okay, you know, and that's essentially which
Speaker 6: I don't think Kennedy ever would have done. Okay, And
Speaker 6: so that's that's what happened. And with Johnson switch in policies.
Speaker 6: So see, very few people know anything about this and
Speaker 6: and very few less people even talk about it, Okay,
Speaker 6: but it's one of the things that I believe that
Speaker 6: makes the Kennedy assassination relevant, and that people like Ben
Speaker 6: Shapiro don't know anything about this or else, they just
Speaker 6: don't give two bits about it, you know. I think
Speaker 6: that tells us a lot about you know, the intellectual
Speaker 6: lacuna that people have about the JFK case. You know,
Speaker 6: we go on and other things like Vietnam, you know,
Speaker 6: in Cuba or I know, all those things, but this
Speaker 6: is one of the things I believe is most relevant.
Speaker 3: To the modern world.
Speaker 5: Oh, I completely agree, and I think that's why it
Speaker 5: created such a firestorm when Ben Shapiro said that, you know,
Speaker 5: who really cares?
Speaker 1: What's it matter? What difference does it make?
Speaker 3: What matter?
Speaker 5: Well, it was a sitting United States president that was assassinated,
Speaker 5: and we still don't really have the answer as to
Speaker 5: who and why. And yeah, I don't think that there's
Speaker 5: many things that matter more. According to Ron Paul, that
Speaker 5: was the moment that the Republic ended. So that's a
Speaker 5: pretty big deal from Ron Paul's perspective. Ben Shapiro, I
Speaker 5: am of the belief, is a very intelligent person. So
Speaker 5: you can guess my opinion as to why he's saying
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter is because he doesn't like where those
Speaker 5: bread crumbs lead and let me just kind of push back,
Speaker 5: but not really just add another bit of information to
Speaker 5: get your feedback. It was James James Jesus Angleton, the
Speaker 5: counterintelligence head of the CIA, who in these most recent disclosures,
Speaker 5: but I think most of them were older disclosed, it
Speaker 5: was quite evident that he had off the books communications
Speaker 5: and kind of was like being handled by Israeli agents.
Speaker 5: It's a very very interesting relationship. I'm just curious. I
Speaker 5: will grant you that I do not believe that it
Speaker 5: was Masad that pulled the trigger. I don't think that
Speaker 5: there was Massad agents on the ground, at least there's
Speaker 5: no evidence to prove that. However, Angleton's relationship with the
Speaker 5: Israelis is very interesting, and if you believe that the
Speaker 5: CIA was involved, you might ask yourself was that you know?
Speaker 3: Well, see that that's what a lot of people are thinking.
Speaker 6: That see, because Angleton more or less ran the Mossad
Speaker 6: desk at the CIA, and see as more of these,
Speaker 6: more and more of these documents come out, it bes
Speaker 6: beginning to look like at the very least, you know
Speaker 6: that Angleton knew everything that os Hoold was doing, you know,
Speaker 6: up until yeah, a long long time. And as people
Speaker 6: have come to the conclusion, Angleton had a something like
Speaker 6: a I think one hundred and eighty page DOSSI eight
Speaker 6: on Oswald by the day of the by the day
Speaker 6: of the assassination. Now, Angleton is such an interesting figure
Speaker 6: because if you want to see a prototypical profile of
Speaker 6: a Cold warrior at that time, you know, this is
Speaker 6: a guy who saw Communists every place, you know, probably
Speaker 6: because to give you a little background. Because of I'm
Speaker 6: sure you're aware of this, most of your listeners are
Speaker 6: the whole Kim Philby thing, you know, which took place
Speaker 6: a decade before Kim Philby was.
Speaker 1: I remember that story, but please recap it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Kim Philby was a British six liason and
Speaker 6: you don't know six is there CIA?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 6: He was a liaison to Langley. Excuse me, he wasn't
Speaker 6: Langby the CIA headquarters, you know, in the nineteen fifties,
Speaker 6: and he and Angleton became best buddies, all right, But
Speaker 6: what happened was Philby was actually a Russian agent, Okay,
Speaker 6: he snookered Angleton, hook Line and Sinker, and Angleton's rival
Speaker 6: in the CIA, a guy named Bill Harvey. All Right,
Speaker 6: he suspected that Philby was a Russian agent undercover, and
Speaker 6: Angleton didn't, all right, And when we're came the worst.
Speaker 6: And first of all, even the British suspected that phil
Speaker 6: b was an agent, and they exiled him to someplace
Speaker 6: I think in Lebanon or something, all right. And then
Speaker 6: when phil Be suspected that it was all over and
Speaker 6: they were going to arrest them, which they were, Okay,
Speaker 6: he fled to the Soviet Union.
Speaker 3: And then he.
Speaker 6: Started talking about how he had taken Angleton for a.
Speaker 3: Ride, okay.
Speaker 6: And this really really did something to James Angleton, okay
Speaker 6: when he was exposed, you know, and and and the
Speaker 6: CIA gave Harvey a lot of credit for suspecting this,
Speaker 6: you know, whereas Angleton was more or less out on
Speaker 6: the the out in the.
Speaker 3: Cold the whole time.
Speaker 6: And so this really kind of radicalized Angleton, okay, to
Speaker 6: the point that he began to suspect everything left and right,
Speaker 6: you know, was part of this giant communist conspiracy. And
Speaker 6: this went on until finally Angleton was fired by Bill
Speaker 6: Colby in nineteen seventy five because he had more or
Speaker 6: less paralyzed the whole CIA, you know, and into this
Speaker 6: whole paranoid state. And a lot of people think that
Speaker 6: this all began with his experience with Kim Philby. Now
Speaker 6: getting back to the point, no one had more access
Speaker 6: to Oswald files in the CIA than James Angleton did.
Speaker 3: And one other point that we should bring up.
Speaker 6: When Alan Dulles died in nineteen sixty nine, James Angleton
Speaker 6: carried his ashes to the burial. That's how close James
Speaker 6: Angleton was to Dulles. And now flash back to nineteen
Speaker 6: sixty one.
Speaker 3: It was John F.
Speaker 6: Kennedy who fired Alan Dulles, right, all right, okay, And
Speaker 6: Angleton owed his whole career.
Speaker 1: Was Dulls the original head of the CIA.
Speaker 6: Well, Dulles was the head of the CIA, he was
Speaker 6: director of the CIA. Angleton was head of counterintelligence, all right.
Speaker 6: And they used to call Angleton no knock Angleton because
Speaker 6: he was the only guy that could walk into Dulles's
Speaker 6: office unannounced.
Speaker 3: That's how on good terms they were.
Speaker 6: So when you can imagine the way Angleton felt when
Speaker 6: Dulles was fired, okay. And by the way, it wasn't
Speaker 6: just Dulles. Kennedy also fired Cabell okay, who was the
Speaker 6: deputy director, and he also fired Bissle Dick Bissell, who
Speaker 6: was a director of plans. Now, I don't know if
Speaker 6: you understand this, but the reason for these firings and
Speaker 6: the reason for us is in the media right now.
Speaker 6: This whole thing about the Schlessinger memo is that which
Speaker 6: was supposed to be Kennedy's plan to completely restructure the
Speaker 6: CIA was over the fact that Kennedy was not as
Speaker 6: misled he was lied to about the Bay of Pigs invasion,
Speaker 6: all right, and this is why he approved it, all right.
Speaker 6: Then when it turned into a disaster beyond anybody's imagining, Okay,
Speaker 6: Kennedy really fell well that night, he actually cried into
Speaker 6: his wife's arms, okay, because he couldn't sleep because of
Speaker 6: what had.
Speaker 3: Happened, all right.
Speaker 6: And then he made that famous edge, which I'm sure
Speaker 6: you're familiar with, that he was gonna splinter the CIA
Speaker 6: into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds,
Speaker 6: all right. And this is when Schleschinger, who was a
Speaker 6: White House eight at that time, he and Kennedy decided
Speaker 6: that they were going to go ahead and revamp the CIA. Okay,
Speaker 6: and and the Slushinger pri And by the way, I'm
Speaker 6: sure you're aware of this. That memo that Schleschinger wrote
Speaker 6: has only now only now been completely declassified. Can you
Speaker 6: imagine this? This is sixty four years later and we
Speaker 6: only now have to completely declassified Schleschinger memo.
Speaker 5: You know, and the thing doesn't doesn't that scream? There's
Speaker 5: a reason for that classification?
Speaker 3: I would I would think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: See, one of the things that that the CI didn't
Speaker 6: want you to know.
Speaker 3: Is this that.
Speaker 6: In just for example, in the American embassy in Paris,
Speaker 6: the CIA had one hundred and twenty eight agents under
Speaker 6: State Department cover in that one embassy.
Speaker 3: All right, that was one.
Speaker 6: Of the things that the American embassy in Paris.
Speaker 3: Now, why is that so important?
Speaker 6: Because Charles de Gaune, the president of France, strongly suspected
Speaker 6: that the CIA was helping the renegade band of Algerian officers,
Speaker 6: the OAS, to overthrow him. Okay, and during the attempt
Speaker 6: at overthrow, should explain what the OAS was. Yeah, that
Speaker 6: won't take long. See, sure, France was involved in this
Speaker 6: civil war off their Northern Africa colony Algeria that wanted
Speaker 6: to be free, okay, and there was and de Gaulle
Speaker 6: was for Algerian independence. But the OAS was a renegade
Speaker 6: military group that did not want to set Algeria free.
Speaker 6: And they were pretty powerful group, you know, hundreds of
Speaker 6: not thousands of members, all right, and they were involved
Speaker 6: in this overthrow of the gaul so that Algeria would
Speaker 6: not be what would not be set free. And the
Speaker 6: CIA and Alan Dulles among others, and I think Bissel
Speaker 6: also they were secretly backing the OAS and their overthrow
Speaker 6: attempt against the gaul right, And so yeah, well yeah,
Speaker 6: and so Kennedy got on the phone with the French
Speaker 6: ambassador in the United States and told him, look, I
Speaker 6: am not behind this thing, you know, I don't want
Speaker 6: to see de gall over throne, but I have to
Speaker 6: tell you the CIA there's a lot of crazy things,
Speaker 6: you know that most of the time I don't even
Speaker 6: know what they're doing, you know, so I can't vouch
Speaker 6: for them, you know.
Speaker 3: And so this is why that memo.
Speaker 6: Which in which Schleschinger exposed how the State Department had
Speaker 6: been penetrated by the CIA. This is why the CI
Speaker 6: didn't want to know anything about it. Now, let me
Speaker 6: give you a little backstory on this, as I think
Speaker 6: most of your listeners know. From nineteen ninety four to
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety eight, because of the firestorm over Oliver Stone's
Speaker 6: movie JFK. All right, the Congress created a Citizens Board
Speaker 6: to declassify all the secret documents that the government was
Speaker 6: keeping about the Kennedy assassination.
Speaker 3: And they declassified about me in pages. But they're not
Speaker 3: done yet.
Speaker 6: And so this is why Trump had designed that executive order.
Speaker 6: Prior to the creation of that board, the CIA had classified.
Speaker 6: Now get this, the Strutchinger memo sixteen pages long. They
Speaker 6: had cut it down to five pages, and of those
Speaker 6: five pages, three of them were completely blacked out, were
Speaker 6: completely with They didn't want you to know anything about
Speaker 6: the Schleschinger Memo, all right. So then when the review
Speaker 6: board came in in ninety four, they managed to declassify.
Speaker 6: First of all, they restored the whole memo, but they
Speaker 6: CIA insisted on having two pages classified. Okay, And it
Speaker 6: was about this problem, how the CIA had penetrated the
Speaker 6: State Department, Okay, And I don't know how Schruschinger got
Speaker 6: the figures, but he did. And forty seven percent of
Speaker 6: the State Department employees in these foreign embassies.
Speaker 3: Were there under CIA cover.
Speaker 6: And Schlessinger said, more or less, how do you run
Speaker 6: your foreign policy when almost half of these people in
Speaker 6: these embassies are CIA agents? Okay, And let's just remember
Speaker 6: in nineteen sixty one, not only did the CIA capsize
Speaker 6: the Bay of Pigs by lying the JFK about it,
Speaker 6: because he never would have launched it if you would
Speaker 6: have known what the real circumstances were. They not only
Speaker 6: were urging the oas to overthrow the gaull in Paris.
Speaker 7: But.
Speaker 6: They had subverted JFK's policy in Congo. Congo was a
Speaker 6: former Belgians colony that had just been set free, and
Speaker 6: a man named Patrice Lamumba had won a democratic election
Speaker 6: under a constitutional republic. All right, he was going to
Speaker 6: be the first elected president of Congo. Well, Dullasnesse I
Speaker 6: didn't like this, and neither did Eisenhower, all right, and
Speaker 6: they devised a series of plans to assassinate Lamumba, all right.
Speaker 6: And I believe there were like four or five plots
Speaker 6: to kill him. Knowing of course that Kennedy back Lamumba.
Speaker 6: Kennedy wanted to see La Mumba as president. It was
Speaker 6: a whole part of his plan to free Africa, all right,
Speaker 6: And so these plots did not succeed. And then they
Speaker 6: devised a way.
Speaker 3: To place.
Speaker 6: Lamumba under house arrest. And then once he was set free.
Speaker 6: Once he escaped from house arrest and he was fleeing
Speaker 6: to his base in Stanleyville, the CIA helped his enemies
Speaker 6: because there was a secession crisis. The state of Katanga,
Speaker 6: with British and Belgian help, was going to try and
Speaker 6: break away from the rest of the Congo, and Lamumba
Speaker 6: was resisting this. They helped track Lamumba and turn him
Speaker 6: over and fly him to Katanga, where he was placed
Speaker 6: before a firing squad and killed. Afterwards, they didn't want
Speaker 6: they didn't want people to find out where he was
Speaker 6: buried because they were worried about him becoming a martyr.
Speaker 6: So the CIA and the Katangi's dug up his body
Speaker 6: and they incinerated it with sulfuric acid and then when
Speaker 6: the zulfuric acid ran out.
Speaker 3: They just burned the rest of the corpse.
Speaker 6: Okay, so these are the kind of things that the
Speaker 6: CIA was doing to toward Kennedy's foreign policy.
Speaker 3: And remember this is just sixty one.
Speaker 6: Where you have Congo, you have France, okay, and and
Speaker 6: which one am I forgetting?
Speaker 3: Okay? And the Bay of Pigs. Right, you have these three.
Speaker 3: This is just nineteen sixty one.
Speaker 6: So what choice did Kennedy have except the fire Allen
Speaker 6: Dullas and decapitate, you know, like taking Cabell out and Bissel,
Speaker 6: all right. And then he reduced their budget by about
Speaker 6: twenty percent, all right. And then he tried to pass
Speaker 6: this reform thing, you know, him Instructioninger got together and
Speaker 6: tried to reform the whole CIA from top to bottom,
Speaker 6: but they met too much resistance and the guy that
Speaker 6: they had picked out, there was no way they were
Speaker 6: going to be able to get him through.
Speaker 3: So what JFK did.
Speaker 6: Instead was to pass the famous National Security Action Memorandums
Speaker 6: fifty five, fifty six, and fifty seven to limit what
Speaker 6: the CI could do in covert action and bring more
Speaker 6: under this supervision of the Pentagon, which Kennedy thought he
Speaker 6: could control more because that's a more open group than
Speaker 6: the CIA. And then they brought in John McCone, okay,
Speaker 6: to be the new director. All right, now, I don't
Speaker 6: have to tell you or your listeners that this didn't
Speaker 6: work out very well. It started looking forward to place
Speaker 6: like Vietnam, okay, in which the Pentagon wanted to go
Speaker 6: to Warren and Kenny did not want to go to Warren.
Speaker 6: These are some of the things that I believe led
Speaker 6: to all this secrecy about what really happened, you know,
Speaker 6: to John F.
Speaker 3: Kennedy.
Speaker 6: And this is why here we are in a new millennium,
Speaker 6: twenty twenty five, and we had to have Trump's executive
Speaker 6: order and somebody like Chelsea Gabbard to try and go
Speaker 6: ahead and declassify the rest of these documents. I think
Speaker 6: we're up to seventy seven thousand pages now that are
Speaker 6: being finally declassified.
Speaker 5: Well, here's a question for you, because I got so
Speaker 5: many different directions I could take this, But first off,
Speaker 5: I want to point out you've got the arming the
Speaker 5: insurgency in Congo, also doing it in France. That's exactly
Speaker 5: what the CIA continues to do to this day. They
Speaker 5: did it in Syria, They've done it in Yeahmin, in Lovethon,
Speaker 5: all over the place. So whatever his reforms that he
Speaker 5: attempted to make, they don't seem to have stuck. Like
Speaker 5: it doesn't seem to have worked really well. So yes,
Speaker 5: Like I guess what I'm saying is there's a tremendous
Speaker 5: amount of imperative that comes from the CIA side, which
Speaker 5: is why I was always convinced that it was the
Speaker 5: CIA that ultimately pulled the trigger or ordered the hit
Speaker 5: on JFK. But I do see that Israel has a
Speaker 5: tremendous amount of you know, impetus to want him gone to.
Speaker 5: Angleton's relationship with the Mesade has always struck me as odd,
Speaker 5: and increasingly so as more and more disclosures have come out.
Speaker 5: I think what's what's fascinating is that your your take
Speaker 5: on Angleton, how he became really out of his mind
Speaker 5: because of Philby when it came to you know, the
Speaker 5: Red Scare stuff. But he had Oswald, you know, as
Speaker 5: you said, over one hundred pages of documents on Oswald,
Speaker 5: and Oswald had traveled to the USSR. Why why would
Speaker 5: he not like what was his Is there any explanation
Speaker 5: as to why he wouldn't have just taken Oswald down?
Speaker 5: Or was is it more obvious to you that in
Speaker 5: fact he was he had been turned or he was
Speaker 5: a CIA agent himself. There was some additional disclosures that
Speaker 5: came out that in Japan, apparently he had been recruited
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Speaker 6: Okay, let me let me give the answer to that
Speaker 6: question in two stages. I'm sure you're aware that this
Speaker 6: was a third plot to kill Kennedy in just the
Speaker 6: autumn of nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 3: Actually that oh you didn't know, okay.
Speaker 6: No, there had been a plot in Tampa and the
Speaker 6: guy there was the fall guy. There was Gilberto Lopez,
Speaker 6: all right. That was one of the longest motorcades in
Speaker 6: presidential history. And there had been a tip about Gilberto
Speaker 6: Lopez being set up, and they brought in all this security,
Speaker 6: and the whole the Floridian Hotel where Kennedy ended up at,
Speaker 6: was covered floor by floor, all right. And then Kennedy
Speaker 6: was so grateful that that he'd been well protected he
Speaker 6: called in all the agents afterwards, okay, and shook their
Speaker 6: hand personally. There was another plot in Chicago, all right.
Speaker 6: This I think was in the first weekend of November,
Speaker 6: all right, and that one was foiled by the FBI
Speaker 6: turning over the lead to a secret secret service and
Speaker 6: the fall guy there was a guy named Martureau Vala,
Speaker 6: all right, and.
Speaker 3: That was Kennedy.
Speaker 6: Canceled his trip to Chicago, and they apprehended Vala before
Speaker 6: uh he was supposed to arrive. And that's the way
Speaker 6: that was foiled.
Speaker 5: Okay, Now real quick, were those Hispanic names? Were they
Speaker 5: going to be Cuban? Was at the angle that.
Speaker 3: They were a lot of people believe that.
Speaker 6: See, Lopez had attended a Fair Play for Cuba committee
Speaker 6: meeting and that was the organization of the Oswald was
Speaker 6: advocating for in New Orleans.
Speaker 3: Then if you can believe this, right around the.
Speaker 6: Time of the actual assassination, Lopez flies to Texas, then
Speaker 6: he flies to Mexico City, and then he flies It's
Speaker 6: the only passenger on a Cubana airline into Cuba.
Speaker 3: Now that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 6: Okay, you know, and the Warrant Commission didn't make anything
Speaker 6: of that, now.
Speaker 3: Right right, don't. I can't explain that, But that's the case,
Speaker 3: all right. Now.
Speaker 6: Valley in Chicago had a profile similar to Oswald. He
Speaker 6: had been in the Marine Corps. He had been at
Speaker 6: a base where a U. Two plane flew out of
Speaker 6: like Oswald, and he had been a trainer.
Speaker 3: I think it was.
Speaker 6: On Long Island, Okay, of anti Castro Cuban exiles, you know,
Speaker 6: very similar profile to Osweald.
Speaker 3: All right, now, can these be just a coincidence?
Speaker 6: I mean, this is all in just November of nineteen
Speaker 6: sixty three. Now, of course, as everybody knows, including all
Speaker 6: your listeners, you know, Oswald was seen at a training
Speaker 6: base for CIA in the Cuban exiles, you know, down
Speaker 6: in New Orleans. He had been at a base in
Speaker 6: Japan that housed the U two. Now getting back to
Speaker 6: the original idea, Yes, I believe there are many, many,
Speaker 6: many indications that Oswald was recruited as a double agent,
Speaker 6: all right by the CIA.
Speaker 3: And this is why he's learning Russian in the Marine Corps.
Speaker 6: Can you imagine this, a guy getting Russian newspapers, in
Speaker 6: Russian records and in his barracks, going ahead and trying
Speaker 6: to learn Russian, okay, in the Marine Corps at the
Speaker 6: high of the Cold War.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 6: Then he gets not unless and then he gets what's
Speaker 6: called a hardship discharge about six or seven or eight
Speaker 6: months after before he's supposed to be discharged. He gets
Speaker 6: let go on a hardship, and the hardship was that
Speaker 6: he had to take care of his mother back in Texas. Okay, well, Oswald,
Speaker 6: it usually takes three to six months to get a
Speaker 6: hardship discharge. Oswald got his in eleven days, all right.
Speaker 6: Then he didn't He went to Texas for seventy two hours,
Speaker 6: all right, that's all to take care of his dear mother. Okay,
Speaker 6: Her illness was at a candy box, fell on her
Speaker 6: nose while she was working in some plaza.
Speaker 3: Then he's allowed to go.
Speaker 6: All the way to New Orleans. Then he goes across
Speaker 6: the Atlantic. Then he goes to England, to France and Helsinki.
Speaker 6: And Helsinki.
Speaker 3: Is the only.
Speaker 6: Capital in Europe where you could get a visa into
Speaker 6: the Soviet Union in less than a week.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 6: Now, while Oswald's there, he's now here's a guy who's
Speaker 6: supposed to be an impoverished marine.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 6: He's traveling all the way out of the United States,
Speaker 6: across the Atlantic, across Europe. And when he gets to Helsinki,
Speaker 6: he stays at two four star hotels, the Hotel at
Speaker 6: Tourney and the Klaus Kerrique which you know are like
Speaker 6: very very high fluting kind of hotels.
Speaker 3: All right, why would you do that? Okay?
Speaker 6: And so then he goes into the Soviet Union, all right,
Speaker 6: and they suspect right off that he's a CIA agent.
Speaker 6: They don't trust him at all, okay, and so they
Speaker 6: don't allow him to stay in Moscow. And then they
Speaker 6: send in the Minsk okay, four hundred miles away, and
Speaker 6: they surround him with a ring of intelligence agents okay.
Speaker 6: And then they actually place a listening device in his apartment.
Speaker 6: And by the way, he has a very nice apartment
Speaker 6: overlooking a lake.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 6: And so these are all the earmarks that seemed to
Speaker 6: indicate that Oswald was some kind of intelligence agent. Now
Speaker 6: let me add one last thing, the Oswalt's file. When
Speaker 6: the House Select Committee examined Oswald in the CIA, they
Speaker 6: assigned a woman named Betsy Wolf to examine Oswald's intelligence
Speaker 6: file at the CIA. Betsy Wolf first asked for all
Speaker 6: the division charters the CIA. I think there's nine divisions.
Speaker 6: She read them all through. Then she did a little graph. Okay, well,
Speaker 6: then this is what Oswald's file should do. Then she
Speaker 6: asked for the file and guess what it didn't do
Speaker 6: anything like that. Instead of going to the SR or
Speaker 6: Soviet Russia Division, it went to a place called the
Speaker 6: Officer Security. Inside that place there was a division called
Speaker 6: CI sig Okay, which is a very secret counterintelligence division
Speaker 6: inside the agency.
Speaker 3: All right, it went there.
Speaker 6: And there was no tool one file on Oswald for
Speaker 6: thirteen months. The tool one file is the most common
Speaker 6: file in the CIA. If Oswald defected, he should have
Speaker 6: had a tool on one file. Well he didn't, all right,
Speaker 6: And so this very much made Betsy Wolf very puzzled.
Speaker 6: Why did Oswald file not do any of this stuff?
Speaker 3: And so she started calling in. So she started calling
Speaker 3: in all these retired.
Speaker 6: CI officers and she asked them and she goes, isn't
Speaker 6: this weird?
Speaker 3: And they said, yeah, that is weird.
Speaker 6: His file should have gone to the SR division, And
Speaker 6: you're right, there should have been a tool one file
Speaker 6: opened up on him almost immediately once to see how
Speaker 6: he got the news that he had defected. So she
Speaker 6: called in guy after guy, and they all agree with her,
Speaker 6: but nobody can answer the question. So finally, in November
Speaker 6: of nineteen seventy eight, just when the House Select Committee
Speaker 6: is ready to adjourn.
Speaker 3: She calls in this.
Speaker 6: Guy named Robert Gambino, and Gambino is the head of
Speaker 6: the Officers security at that time at that time, in nineteen.
Speaker 3: Seventy eight seventy nine.
Speaker 6: So she poses this question to him. To her, she
Speaker 6: poses this question to him. He says, Look, it doesn't
Speaker 6: matter how many documents come in, and it doesn't matter
Speaker 6: if they're pre stamped.
Speaker 3: If the client.
Speaker 6: Has gone to the first gate, which is the Office
Speaker 6: of Male Logistics, and he has requested that they go there,
Speaker 6: they will go there. In other words, and this is
Speaker 6: one of the most startling discoveries we've made. Somebody had
Speaker 6: rigged Oswalt's file from the very beginning at CIA. Now
Speaker 6: why anybody would want to do that, and for what
Speaker 6: reason they would want to do that, and how they
Speaker 6: can to have that kind of foresight into what somebody
Speaker 6: nobody knew about at that time.
Speaker 3: This is one of the greatest mysteries you know, that
Speaker 3: we have about about Lee Harvey Oswald. So yes, I
Speaker 3: mean that Oswald was an agent from the beginning.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I agree, And so I mean the obvious
Speaker 5: answer as to why they would have obfuscated his files
Speaker 5: from its inception is because he was brought in explicitly
Speaker 5: for really nefarious shit like assassinations of presidents or assassinations
Speaker 5: of civil rights leaders or who knows what I mean
Speaker 5: that that would be My initial assumption is that yours
Speaker 5: or am I reaching?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 6: I believe that from the beginning. I don't think they
Speaker 6: could have figured that out that early. But from the
Speaker 6: beginning Oswald was going to be a double agent, okay,
Speaker 6: And they did not want anybody to know about this,
Speaker 6: all right, because I think they believe he was going
Speaker 6: to be a valuable double agent that he could spy
Speaker 6: on the Russians for them after he learned the Russian language,
Speaker 6: et cetera.
Speaker 3: You know. And when that did not work.
Speaker 6: Out because a KGB was too smart, okay, then he
Speaker 6: was brought back to do his mission with the Fair
Speaker 6: Play for Cuba Committee. This was in nineteen sixty one.
Speaker 6: It's hard to remember this, but in nineteen sixty one,
Speaker 6: this was a very high prestige organization that wanted the CIA,
Speaker 6: the White House, the Pentagon, et cetera, to let the
Speaker 6: United States coexist with Cuba, all right. And it had
Speaker 6: people like Norman Mailer and other celebrities you know, who
Speaker 6: were a part of it. They took out a full
Speaker 6: page ad in the New York Times. Oswald's mission in
Speaker 6: the summer of sixty in New Orleans, when he was
Speaker 6: doing all this wild stuff on the streets of New Orleans,
Speaker 6: was a discredit the fair Play for Cuba Committee. And
Speaker 6: by the way, by the way, let me say this,
Speaker 6: this project of discrediting the fair Play for Cuba Committee
Speaker 6: was not a small time rinkyding thing. The CIA from
Speaker 6: nineteen sixty one was planting infiltrators, they were doing surveillance,
Speaker 6: they were tapping telephones. They really considered the big mission, okay,
Speaker 6: to bring down the fair Play for Cuba Committee.
Speaker 3: All right. Now, Oswald, of course.
Speaker 6: Was leafleting in the streets of New Orleans, and he
Speaker 6: was trying to call meetings, et cetera. And he was really,
Speaker 6: in reality, he was trying to find out who is
Speaker 6: a Communist sympathizer in New Orleans.
Speaker 3: It never figured him.
Speaker 6: That maybe somebody had a different agenda for him than
Speaker 6: just you know, setting up the fair Play for Cubic Committee.
Speaker 3: And he very stupidly.
Speaker 6: Stamped on one of the leaflets he was handing out
Speaker 6: the address of five forty four Camp Street, which of course,
Speaker 6: is where Guy Banister's offices were at that time in
Speaker 6: the summer of nineteen sixty three, right, And it was this,
Speaker 6: that stamping of that address that eventually led Jim Garrison
Speaker 6: to walk down to five point forty four Camp Street
Speaker 6: because he remembered he had an acquaintanceship with Banister and
Speaker 6: find out that Banister's office was there in nineteen sixty three,
Speaker 6: And this, of course put the big light on in
Speaker 6: his head about how Oswald was being used by these
Speaker 6: secret forces, all right, and eventually and he figured out,
Speaker 6: like a lot of other things, that that's the reason
Speaker 6: that he allegedly went to Mexico City. That's why he
Speaker 6: was friends with, of all people, George de Moronscheld, who
Speaker 6: was a white Russian oil geologist. He's hanging around with
Speaker 6: his communists, And before de Mornschell died, he famously said,
Speaker 6: I would have never even thought of making friends with
Speaker 6: Lee Harvey Oswald if J. Walton Moore would not have
Speaker 6: told me to do so. J. Walton Moore was the
Speaker 6: head of the CIA station in Dallas, and he had
Speaker 6: instructed De Mornscheld to go ahead and befriend Lee Harvey Oswald, which.
Speaker 7: I like some legal representations. Police officers not allowed me
Speaker 7: to have any. I don't know what this is all about.
Speaker 7: I work in that building. Naturally, if I work in
Speaker 7: that building, because of the fact that I lived in the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 6: They've taken me in because I've been to the Soviet Union, Okay,
Speaker 6: And he's exactly right.
Speaker 3: That's that's the reason that.
Speaker 6: He And by the way, he didn't have a lawyer
Speaker 6: the whole time he was in detention. That was from
Speaker 6: Friday to Sunday. And there's evidence that the Dallas police
Speaker 6: for trying to discourage him a certain lawyer from actually
Speaker 6: going in and representing him.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: So here's a you know, I think, to get back
Speaker 6: the original question, this guy was the perfect Patsy. He'd
Speaker 6: been to the Soviet Union, he had been a pseudo
Speaker 6: communist on the streets in New Orleans. They said, he
Speaker 6: had been to Mexico City, and he had been to
Speaker 6: both the Cuban and the Soviet consulates there, trying to
Speaker 6: get back to the Soviet Union. So when all this
Speaker 6: stuff comes down and he's on this building, he's in
Speaker 6: this building where the motorcade route. Hey, you couldn't have
Speaker 6: picked a better guy. You know, he was better than
Speaker 6: Gilberto Lopez and he was better than Vallet. So on
Speaker 6: the third time they got it right, they.
Speaker 1: Got well, they sure did.
Speaker 3: But yeah, well those are two dress rehearsals. You know,
Speaker 3: we get it. The third time you.
Speaker 5: Get the right well, and what it makes me think is, well,
Speaker 5: first off, the fact that the Secret Service stopped.
Speaker 1: The one in I guess you said it was Orlando.
Speaker 1: Was Orlando the first one?
Speaker 3: It's the secret the Secret Service.
Speaker 6: What happened there in Tampa was that because of the
Speaker 6: FBI lead, they brought in not just extra Secret Service guys,
Speaker 6: they brought in FBI guys, they brought in state police guys.
Speaker 6: There were I think something like along the parade route
Speaker 6: and in the hotel there was something like seventy five agents, Okay,
Speaker 6: which is just the opposite of what happened in Dallas.
Speaker 6: In the Dallas incident, you had a security stripping.
Speaker 3: Of the motor and this is this is a defects.
Speaker 5: This is all despite the fact that Oswald is working
Speaker 5: in the book depository on the route, and Angleton has
Speaker 5: one hundred plus page dossier on Oswald. And you think
Speaker 5: that the security was reduced accidentally. I'm sorry, but that
Speaker 5: just that just doesn't add up. But anyways, the point
Speaker 5: I'm trying to get to is that you have these
Speaker 5: three attacks or attempted attacks that all coincide, and you know,
Speaker 5: rapid succession, very very short time frame.
Speaker 1: It seems to me in about one month.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's I know that it's regular. You know,
Speaker 5: it's not totally rare for there to be attempts on
Speaker 5: president's lives, but three in a month seems as if
Speaker 5: there's a fucking operation being ran.
Speaker 1: You have all of the.
Speaker 5: Backstory to Oswald, which makes it seem as if he's
Speaker 5: almost certainly a CIA agent. You have the CIA who's
Speaker 5: putting him in these positions that basically tarnish his reputation
Speaker 5: and make him look like at the perfect fall guy.
Speaker 5: We're gonna blame it on Cuba, We're gonna blame it
Speaker 5: on the USSR. It's like he's the perfect guy to
Speaker 5: go down for this thing. He refers to himself as
Speaker 5: a patsy. They won't give him an attorney. It all
Speaker 5: seems to me is if he's probably innocent of the crime.
Speaker 1: Who pulled the trigger?
Speaker 3: Jim, Yeah, Well my.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's funny this is I've just asked this question
Speaker 6: this morning. You know, when people ask me, I have
Speaker 6: to say something. I don't want to dodge the question,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 3: Which would be the prudent thing to do.
Speaker 6: You know, But in my opinion, the CIA and the
Speaker 6: Cuban exiles were responsible for the actual assassination. Then when
Speaker 6: Oswald survived the Texas theater, when he managed to get
Speaker 6: out of there alive, and they started parading him in
Speaker 6: front of these crowds, and he comes off looking too well,
Speaker 6: proclaiming his innocence. I believe that the agency called in
Speaker 6: their good friends, organized crime, who they had tried to
Speaker 6: kill Fidel Castro. If you're familiar with that, there was
Speaker 6: a whole series of plots between the CIA and the
Speaker 6: mafia to try and kill Fidel Castro. They called them
Speaker 6: in and Jack Ruby comes in and polishes off Oswald
Speaker 6: before he can talk. Now, let me say one thing
Speaker 6: about this, because when I say this before Oswald can talk,
Speaker 6: I don't know if you're aware of this, but on
Speaker 6: Saturday night, Oswald wanted to call a guy named John
Speaker 6: Hurt in North Carolina.
Speaker 3: And we know this because.
Speaker 6: He made out a request to make this phone call
Speaker 6: the secret Service vetoed that request. There were two secretaries there,
Speaker 6: and one of them wrapped it up and threw it
Speaker 6: in the trash can. The other secretary was very curious
Speaker 6: as to why that was vetoed, so she fished it
Speaker 6: out of the trash can, brought it home, kept it,
Speaker 6: and showed it to some people. Well, imagine this, John
Speaker 6: Hurt turned out to be a military intelligence officer. Okay, now, ay,
Speaker 6: how Oswald could know this about this guy? And secondly
Speaker 6: that he just happened to be a military intelligence officer.
Speaker 3: And in that area, not in proximity, but in.
Speaker 6: That area, there was a place called the nags Had Base,
Speaker 6: which was a staging ground to send Naval Office defectors
Speaker 6: to the Soviet Union. Oswald, being in the Marines would
Speaker 6: come under the purview of the Navy. So this is
Speaker 6: why Victor Marquetti, who had been in the CIA and
Speaker 6: had written a best selling book about his experience the
Speaker 6: CIA and the Culton Intelligence, when he was told this,
Speaker 6: he was shocked, and he said, when Oswald made that request,
Speaker 6: he was a sexual cutting his own throat. They were
Speaker 6: not going to let him do that, all right, And
Speaker 6: this was the night before, so then comes next.
Speaker 3: Day, Jack Ruby. Now, now imagine this, I imagine this.
Speaker 3: I don't know how old you are, but you've seen
Speaker 3: films of this.
Speaker 6: Of course, there were literally scores of people in that
Speaker 6: basement of the Dallas Police headquarters, all right. They had
Speaker 6: all of these newsmen, all these newspaper guys, and the
Speaker 6: cops were supposed to escort Oswald out in what is
Speaker 6: called a four corner pocket protection. That what that means
Speaker 6: is this, you have one guy on one side, one
Speaker 6: guy on the other, one guy behind them, one guy
Speaker 6: in front. If you watch the films, and they're very
Speaker 6: easy to watch on YouTube, the guy in front leaves
Speaker 6: Oswald wide open, and that's Will Fritz, the chief of detectives.
Speaker 6: And this is what allows Jack Ruby to go in
Speaker 6: and get a perfect shot at Oswald. If he would
Speaker 6: have been where he should have been, you know, that
Speaker 6: wouldn't have been able to happen.
Speaker 3: All right. Now, there's a whole.
Speaker 6: Long story I could go into, but we probably don't
Speaker 6: have time to do it as to how the heck
Speaker 6: Ruby ever got in to the Dallas Police headquarters, all right,
Speaker 6: Because there was a guy clearing people at the at
Speaker 6: the Main Street ramp and the House Select Committee on
Speaker 6: Assassinations did not believe that Ruby came in.
Speaker 3: That way, which is how he said he came in.
Speaker 6: Are you going to show the assassination of Oswald? I sure, am, okay,
Speaker 6: go ahead.
Speaker 8: Mudon reporters and cameraman were waiting for Oswald to come
Speaker 8: down an elevator there to the right to be transferred
Speaker 8: to another jail. A man named Ruby was waiting too.
Speaker 8: The scene began with the familiar routine of news coverage
Speaker 8: of public events. The officers come down. There goes Ruby
Speaker 8: toward Oswald. He's firing. Oswald slumps to the floor, and
Speaker 8: as he does, the police officers beside him leap upon
Speaker 8: Ruby as we now know him to be after the
Speaker 8: confusion had sorted itself out, throw him to the ground.
Speaker 6: You notice that, and if you want to show it again,
Speaker 6: that's fine with me. Fritz doesn't even turn around until
Speaker 6: the gun goes off. I mean, this is the kind
Speaker 6: of police you had in Dallas.
Speaker 1: It's it's amazing.
Speaker 5: They leave his his front wide open, and no one
Speaker 5: even appears to draw their gun after like shots are
Speaker 5: getting fired. It's it's it's just not how cops react
Speaker 5: to shit.
Speaker 1: It's just now.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you.
Speaker 6: The Warrant Commission was very aware of the evidentiary problem
Speaker 6: this created, so they tried to get away with saying
Speaker 6: that Oswald might have known something like sixty years seventy
Speaker 6: excuse me, Ruby might have known sixty years seventy Dows
Speaker 6: police officers. There was a witness they had who had
Speaker 6: worked for Ruby. She laughed at this. She said, Look,
Speaker 6: Jack Ruby knew at least half of the police officers
Speaker 6: in the city because when they would come into his clubs,
Speaker 6: he would let them have free food, free booze, and
Speaker 6: he would fix them up with some of his girls
Speaker 6: who worked there. He plied them daily, all right, And
Speaker 6: this of course for protection purposes, all right. So this
Speaker 6: is why Jack Ruby had almost free access to Dallas
Speaker 6: Police headquarters that weekend. He was there Friday, he was
Speaker 6: there Saturday, he was there early day morning, all right.
Speaker 1: If he was just waiting to take him out.
Speaker 6: He was stalking Oswald that Friday night. That Friday night
Speaker 6: when the Henry Wade, the DA had the famous midnight
Speaker 6: press conference, okay about what the state of the case was,
Speaker 6: and he screwed up the organization that Oswald worked for
Speaker 6: he called it the Free Cuba Committee.
Speaker 3: It wasn't.
Speaker 6: Jack Ruby raises his hand in the back of the
Speaker 6: room with glasses on and a tablet in front of him,
Speaker 6: and he says, no, mister Wade, it's the fair Play
Speaker 6: for Cuba Committee. So he actually corrects Wade the very
Speaker 6: first night that he's in the office. How the heck
Speaker 6: did Ruby know that? And by the way he disguised.
Speaker 1: Two nights later he's then his assassin.
Speaker 3: So two days later he's right.
Speaker 6: And by the way, that morning, that Sunday morning, he
Speaker 6: got to the police headquarters at about nine thirty and
Speaker 6: he's actually asking when are they going to bring Oswald down? Now, look,
Speaker 6: if you have the guy there Friday night and he's
Speaker 6: correcting the DA about the proper organization.
Speaker 3: That the guy works for.
Speaker 6: And then on Sunday morning he gets there early to
Speaker 6: find out when the transfer is all right, then I
Speaker 6: think there's something, you know, something going on.
Speaker 3: With this, yeah, you know.
Speaker 6: And the whole thing about how Ruby got in the
Speaker 6: house selectimitt.
Speaker 3: He never believed that he came in through the main ramp.
Speaker 6: They think he had help through the police to actually
Speaker 6: get in the back door.
Speaker 3: Because let me let me say this.
Speaker 6: If you've never been to Dallas, you have to be
Speaker 6: there to see that.
Speaker 3: The back entrance.
Speaker 6: Way of the Dallas it was actually City Hall, the
Speaker 6: Dallas Police are in the basement, is right across the
Speaker 6: street from the Western Union Station.
Speaker 3: Let me say that again.
Speaker 6: The back entryway to the Dallas Police headquarters is across
Speaker 6: the street from the Western Union Station, which is where
Speaker 6: Ruby was.
Speaker 3: And if you if you don't see this, you can't
Speaker 3: imagine it. But all all all.
Speaker 6: The policemen would have to do is like wave okay,
Speaker 6: and Ruby.
Speaker 3: Could come in and get in the back way. All right.
Speaker 6: So this is something, by the way, you will not
Speaker 6: find in the warn report. You won't see a picture
Speaker 6: of the back door across the street from the Western
Speaker 6: Union Station, you know, because it would make it too
Speaker 6: obvious if what the heck is really going on?
Speaker 3: Well, and then just let me just finish this something else.
Speaker 6: If you see films, there's a very famous underground film
Speaker 6: on YouTube. Maybe you've heard of it, maybe you haven't.
Speaker 6: It's called evidence of Revision. They have these movies that
Speaker 6: I've never seen before. From nineteen sixty three, right before
Speaker 6: they bring Oswald down, Ruby is hiding behind this policeman
Speaker 6: named Blackie Harrison, who's a real big guy. He's like
Speaker 6: six three two fifty. You can very easily see Ruby
Speaker 6: hiding behind him before Oswald comes into the foyer.
Speaker 3: And one last thing.
Speaker 6: If you listen closely, you will hear horn go off
Speaker 6: when Oswald comes into the foyer area. Then you will
Speaker 6: see here a second horn go off right before Ruby
Speaker 6: breaks from the crowd and shoots Oswald. Now Here, here's
Speaker 6: the kapper, here's the kapper about this? And this story
Speaker 6: always gets more and more bizarre. I hadn't seen these videos.
Speaker 6: There was only one network at that time to carry
Speaker 6: the Murder of Oswald, which is NBC.
Speaker 3: And I had a tape of it.
Speaker 6: Of course, a friend of mine calls me up and
Speaker 6: he says, Jim, what version of the Murder of Oswald.
Speaker 3: Do you have?
Speaker 6: I said, what are you talking about? What version of
Speaker 6: the Murder of Oswald do I have? He says, do
Speaker 6: you have the one with no horns? One horn or
Speaker 6: two horns? And I said, of course I have the
Speaker 6: one with one horn. Okay, then you have the editor one.
Speaker 6: I said, what are you talking about? And head I'll
Speaker 6: send you the real one. So he sends me the
Speaker 6: real one, and there.
Speaker 3: It is two horns.
Speaker 6: Okay, they edited this, the networks have edited this to
Speaker 6: make sure you don't see here are those two horns
Speaker 6: going off.
Speaker 5: That's very interesting And and do I have this right?
Speaker 5: But wasn't Ruby? As soon as he was arrested for
Speaker 5: the assassination of Oswald? He's then he's gonna I think
Speaker 5: he's gonna testify, and and he's met in prison by
Speaker 5: Jolly West, who was responsible for the most you know,
Speaker 5: nefarious psychological experiments that were happening by the CIA at
Speaker 5: the time, and he loses his fucking mind and then dies.
Speaker 1: Am I wrong about that?
Speaker 3: I hate to say this, but you're not wrong about THEA.
Speaker 6: Whenever you think that this case cannot be any worse, okay,
Speaker 6: whenever you think this case cannot be more censored, you're
Speaker 6: exactly correct. We just ran an article at my website
Speaker 6: called Kennedy's and King about this very subject by a
Speaker 6: guy named Washburn.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 6: He examined this issue like nobody has ever examined it before.
Speaker 6: And the sum total is you're correct. How on earth
Speaker 6: Jolly West was allowed to go in and treat Jack
Speaker 6: Ruby and destabilize him to the point that he was.
Speaker 3: And you're you're I'm sorry, just a.
Speaker 6: Minute, Cassandraw, I'm doing an interview right now.
Speaker 9: Why don't you give me about a half an hour? Okay,
Speaker 9: thank you, all right?
Speaker 6: How now imagine this situation. Here's the guy who just
Speaker 6: murdered Oswald, and somehow the Dallas police let Jolly West
Speaker 6: come in and treat Ruby. Now what credentials did Jolly
Speaker 6: West have except that he worked for the CIA part
Speaker 6: of their mk Ultra program for another and he comes in.
Speaker 6: It's just this is just a coincidence that he comes
Speaker 6: in and he's allowed to treat Ruby, and Ruby starts
Speaker 6: having delusions. He's destabilized, and he's writing these nutty letters,
Speaker 6: et cetera. And he's worthless as a witness. Now, okay.
Speaker 6: You know, and another thing that you probably also know about.
Speaker 6: Ruby did not want to testify in Dallas when the
Speaker 6: Warrant Commission came in to see him. If you take
Speaker 6: a look at his deposition, he asked more than once
Speaker 6: that he wanted to go to Washington and testify. He
Speaker 6: didn't think that he would say for him, Well, he
Speaker 6: was correct, absolutely, you know, to go ahead and testify
Speaker 6: in Dallas. Well, they'll make a long story short. Ruby
Speaker 6: is granted a new trial because the court, the Court
Speaker 6: of Appeal, said he should have never been tried in
Speaker 6: Dallas in the first place because it was too prejudicial
Speaker 6: against him. So the Court of Appeals grants him a
Speaker 6: new trial. And guess what happens. He dies of cancer, Okay,
Speaker 6: right after that announcement was made, all right. And these
Speaker 6: are all the things you can get into with Jack Ruby,
Speaker 6: because it's it's it's one of the most you know,
Speaker 6: the the what the Warren Commission did with Oswald was
Speaker 6: bad enough, it was pretty bad. Okay, what the Warrant
Speaker 6: Commission did with Ruby might have been just as bad
Speaker 6: of a cover up of what they did. You know,
Speaker 6: with Oswald. Ruby had connections you name it, everywhere. We
Speaker 6: talked about the Dallas police, all right. He was part
Speaker 6: of organized crime in the Dallas Fort Worth area, all right.
Speaker 3: He was involved with CIA gun running.
Speaker 6: We know this because we know people who saw him,
Speaker 6: you know, off the coast of Texas running guns, you know,
Speaker 6: into Cuba, all right. And and also he wasn't f
Speaker 6: behind formant and the Warren Commission never breathed the word
Speaker 6: of any of this stuff, of any of this stuff,
Speaker 6: you know that's not an accident.
Speaker 3: Well no, I don't think so. You know. Let me
Speaker 3: here's a capit of that story.
Speaker 6: Even the Warren Commission, the two man team on the
Speaker 6: Ruby Desk, even they complained that they weren't getting the
Speaker 6: right information from the FBI and the CIA because they said, look,
Speaker 6: if there's a connection between Jack Ruby and Oswald. I
Speaker 6: remember this is nineteen sixty four. They're saying this, it
Speaker 6: most likely is in the area of the anti Castro
Speaker 6: Cuban exile community.
Speaker 3: All right, that's where it lies.
Speaker 6: And they were essentially begging to get information about that nexus.
Speaker 6: Bert Griffin, who was one of the guys on the
Speaker 6: Ruby Desk, when he testified before the House Select Committee,
Speaker 6: they asked him, we have this written request from you
Speaker 6: that you want information about Jack Ruby from this CIA.
Speaker 6: You made this request in May of nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 6: Do you recall when you got the reply? And Griffin
Speaker 6: did not want to answer the question, and they said,
Speaker 6: we can refresh your memory if you need it. He
Speaker 6: said words of the effect, I think it was very
Speaker 6: late in the game, and they said, yes, you're correct,
Speaker 6: it was September.
Speaker 3: It took five months for you.
Speaker 6: To get an answer to your query. Now, why is
Speaker 6: that so interesting? Because the warrant commissioned volumes were published
Speaker 6: in September the twenty eighth, So in other words, he
Speaker 6: gets the reply three weeks before, or they're going to
Speaker 6: the printer's office before. Okay, right, yeah, so this is
Speaker 6: this is how bad the Warren Commission was on this
Speaker 6: subject of Jack Ruby and his multifarious illegal.
Speaker 3: Kind of activities, which made.
Speaker 6: Him the perfect guy, you know, to go in and
Speaker 6: rub out. Also because he knew him almost every half
Speaker 6: the police force. And by the way, when I say
Speaker 6: half the police force, that's conservative, because there are people
Speaker 6: who said he knew even.
Speaker 3: More than that.
Speaker 6: Those guys you can imagine when when Ruby's walking around there,
Speaker 6: they're probably saying.
Speaker 3: Hello to them.
Speaker 6: You know, he's right waiting for Oswald to come down
Speaker 6: so he could kill him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's so well, he's so well tied in it's unbelievable.
Speaker 5: And I mean the fact that he loses his mind, uh,
Speaker 5: right after Jolly West meets him is just like look,
Speaker 5: at some point you just have to take a leap
Speaker 5: of faith and go like, all right, the CIA used
Speaker 5: the guy to take out their patsy, and then they
Speaker 5: used their guy to take out the hitman against the patsy,
Speaker 5: and then that's how you tie the bow and it's over.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 5: But but you if they're going to do that, you
Speaker 5: have to assume that they were behind the assassination to
Speaker 5: begin with.
Speaker 6: That is there's all kinds of suspicion right there, you know.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm so glad you brought this up about
Speaker 6: Jolly West because hardly anybody ever.
Speaker 3: Talks about this.
Speaker 1: I mean anybody talks about it.
Speaker 6: You know, And it's so it's like, you know, it's
Speaker 6: like to me, it's like an arrow hitting the center
Speaker 6: of the.
Speaker 1: Target, exactly right.
Speaker 5: I think I think it is. I think it's the
Speaker 5: most damning evidence aside from like if you had footage
Speaker 5: of a CIA agent pulling the trigger, like it's it's
Speaker 5: so it's such a big deal. But all right, so
Speaker 5: you said earlier, and I need to dig in because
Speaker 5: we're kind of bearing the lead here. You believe that
Speaker 5: it was Cuban revolutionaries and CIA that actually pulled the trigger?
Speaker 3: Do you know they were?
Speaker 6: They were involved in the plot, the setting up of
Speaker 6: Oswald and then the Uh, we don't have to go
Speaker 6: into this, but if you take a look at the
Speaker 6: trap in d Lee Plaza, you know you've got the
Speaker 6: dal Text building. You know, behind you've got the grassy knoll.
Speaker 6: Okay up here, and then you have the Texas school
Speaker 6: Book Depository and you have what's you probably heard of
Speaker 6: this because when I interviewed people in the military, Jim,
Speaker 6: this is what you call an L shaped ambush because
Speaker 6: you have at the long end of the L, you
Speaker 6: have the grassy knoll. At the point where the L turns,
Speaker 6: you have the Texas school Book Depository. At the end
Speaker 6: of the short end of the L, you have a
Speaker 6: dal text. We study this in sniper school. This is
Speaker 6: what we call the L shaped ambush. There's no escape,
Speaker 6: you know, all three guys are going to be tuned
Speaker 6: in and there's no way you're gonna get away from it,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 1: And that's what Dealey Pla was. Yeah, no, I agree
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 5: And I'm just curious, do you think that Oswald actually
Speaker 5: fired a shot or not?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: No, you I mean, look, but you believe that a
Speaker 5: shot was fired from from the book depository, but.
Speaker 3: It just wasn't. But not at that window. I think
Speaker 3: it was at the other end. Okay, r.
Speaker 6: Sebastian Latona, if you don't know who he was, was
Speaker 6: the FBI's number one fingerprint analyst. Let me say something
Speaker 6: about this introduction before we get to the point. I
Speaker 6: know a DA from New York City who studied the
Speaker 6: Kennedy assassination, and I asked them about Sebastian Latona, because, Jim,
Speaker 6: do you know how good Sebastian Latona was. Every DA
Speaker 6: in the country wanted him to testify in their case.
Speaker 6: You know why because he he rode a seventy page
Speaker 6: pamphlet on fingerprint analysis that every police department except Dallas
Speaker 6: used as an instruction guide. When Sebastian Latona got the
Speaker 6: rifle that night at FBI headquarters, a rifle is both
Speaker 6: used in the Kennedy assassination. He did everything to try
Speaker 6: and get prints off that rifle. He did all the
Speaker 6: normal stuff, which was dusting it, et cetera. Then he
Speaker 6: highlighted certain parts with magnifying glasses.
Speaker 3: Then he brought in his.
Speaker 6: Photographer and they lit up the thing and they took pictures. Okay,
Speaker 6: they spent hours trying to get prints off this rifle.
Speaker 6: They could not get any what they call usable prints
Speaker 6: off the rifle. That is, you had to have something
Speaker 6: like eight points of identification on the print. They could
Speaker 6: never get those off that rifle. So I don't believe
Speaker 6: that that that that you could.
Speaker 3: Have convicted on Oswald.
Speaker 6: So Vashal Latona would have been a great, great witness,
Speaker 6: you know, for a not guilty verdict, all right. And
Speaker 6: on top of that, I don't think he was on
Speaker 6: the sixth floor. I don't think Ozel was on the
Speaker 6: sixth floor at that window. So answer the short answer
Speaker 6: to the question, I don't think OsO was involved in
Speaker 6: the actual shooting.
Speaker 5: That's that's amazing, And I mean, but at the end
Speaker 5: of the day, doesn't really matter if you can convict
Speaker 5: him in court, because you intend to take him out anyways.
Speaker 5: So right, who really cares he's in the public guy
Speaker 5: in the public guy, he's already going to be, you know,
Speaker 5: the fall guy or the guilty party. What I really
Speaker 5: want to ask is something that has bugged me forever.
Speaker 5: And you know, I am not a ballistic specialist or
Speaker 5: anything like that, but I have shot a few times
Speaker 5: and and my my belief just you know, layman's view
Speaker 5: of this thing. It appears that JFK's hit from the
Speaker 5: rear comes out of his neck.
Speaker 1: And then the which.
Speaker 5: Probably would have been fatal in its own regard, but
Speaker 5: the one that really does the business to him, that
Speaker 5: launches his head backwards. It appears to come from I
Speaker 5: think it's from the grassy knoll, but it could be
Speaker 5: from another location. I'm not sure, but it appears to
Speaker 5: come from the front. What's your opinion on that.
Speaker 3: Well, I totally agree with that.
Speaker 6: The fatal headshot if you watch a defruiter film, knocks
Speaker 6: Kennedy backwards with such force that he bounces off.
Speaker 3: The back seat exactly all right.
Speaker 6: Now, on top of that, forty two witnesses at Parkland
Speaker 6: Hospital and but does the medical center all said that
Speaker 6: they saw a baseball size hole in the back of
Speaker 6: Kennedy's skull, which is trying to make an addicative of
Speaker 6: an exit moon because I don't have to tell you this,
Speaker 6: but for people who aren't aware of is you know.
Speaker 6: And when bullet wounds come in, they make small entrance wounds,
Speaker 6: usually even around the edges. Then when they explode out
Speaker 6: the back of the target, because they're carrying all that
Speaker 6: blood and tissue, all right, they make jagged edge exit wounds,
Speaker 6: and the forty two witnesses all said that it looked
Speaker 6: like an evulsive, ragged edged exit one.
Speaker 5: You know what, his wife, His wife hops up on
Speaker 5: the back of the car to go pick up the
Speaker 5: back of his head.
Speaker 3: That's exactly correct. You you see.
Speaker 6: You you couldn't write this thing for a sci fi
Speaker 6: short story.
Speaker 3: But his wife, when they asked.
Speaker 6: Her, they said, why were you going out the back
Speaker 6: of the car, because you can see her reaching out
Speaker 6: for something on the on the trunk of the car,
Speaker 6: and she said, I was reaching for a part of
Speaker 6: his skull that had flown out the back. She had
Speaker 6: a panic attack. And but you don't know the cap
Speaker 6: or to that one. She actually gave it to one of
Speaker 6: the doctors at Parkland Hospital.
Speaker 3: When she got there, she was still holding it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she was holding it the whole way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, holy shit. I mean that's a that's a good wife.
Speaker 5: I'll give her credit for that. Yeah, all right, So yeah,
Speaker 5: my my read to this. A lot of people have
Speaker 5: called me crazy for years for saying that, but I'm like, look,
Speaker 5: I'm just telling you what I see.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 5: It looks clear as day that the definitive kill shot,
Speaker 5: the one that really there's no chance you're coming back
Speaker 5: from it comes.
Speaker 1: From the front. Do you do you know who that
Speaker 1: gunman was?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 6: Now, now look I can theorize, you know, and all
Speaker 6: this stuff, you know, but no, I I don't. I
Speaker 6: don't know who the actual guy was in the front,
Speaker 6: all right, But I can tell you there's all kinds
Speaker 6: of evidence that there was a guy you know, on
Speaker 6: the grass, you know, Okay, And I believe that is
Speaker 6: You're exactly correct, that was the one that was the
Speaker 6: coup de gras, right, you know, and it came from
Speaker 6: the front. Now, let me tell you something else, but
Speaker 6: you're probably aware of. The Zapruiter film was not shown
Speaker 6: on national television until nineteen seventy five. Let me say
Speaker 6: that again, not shown until nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're talking twelve years.
Speaker 6: It took twelve years to show the Zapruder film on
Speaker 6: national television.
Speaker 3: Are you are you chilling it up?
Speaker 5: I'm actually I'm looking for Dan Raggy describing the Zapruder
Speaker 5: film because because he lies through his fucking teeth.
Speaker 10: Then.
Speaker 3: His head fell violently forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 5: I'm seeing if I can find it it's I bookmarked
Speaker 5: a bunch of stuff, but I may not be able
Speaker 5: to find this one because there was so much information.
Speaker 5: So you can you can keep going in the meantime,
Speaker 5: all right.
Speaker 6: And so if he watches a Fruiter film, and by
Speaker 6: the way, Dan Rather saw this the Bruder film, all right.
Speaker 6: The most memorable thing about the Fruiter film, of course,
Speaker 6: is a tremendous force which I mean, it looks like
Speaker 6: he got hit by a baseball bat that he rock
Speaker 6: gets backward and he literally bounces off the back seat,
Speaker 6: all right. And then his wife is recoiling in horror, okay,
Speaker 6: as she sees what's happened to him, all right, And
Speaker 6: then of course we see the explosion of blood into
Speaker 6: the air, all right, and Dan Rather says, his head
Speaker 6: went violently forward.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 6: This is this is truly unbelievable, you know. And then
Speaker 6: when the American you got.
Speaker 1: It, I got it. Let me let me just run
Speaker 1: a little bit of it.
Speaker 11: And keep in mind here that President Kennedy and Governor
Speaker 11: Connolly are seated on both on the same side of
Speaker 11: the car, on the side facing the building. Missus Kennedy
Speaker 11: and Missus Connolly are on the side of the car
Speaker 11: away from the assassin, about thirty five yards from the
Speaker 11: base of the building. President Kennedy in the film put
Speaker 11: his hand up to the right side of his face
Speaker 11: aside facing the assassin. He seemingly wanted to brush back
Speaker 11: his hair or perhaps rub his eyebrow. Missus Kennedy at
Speaker 11: this moment was looking away or looking straight ahead.
Speaker 10: She was not looking at her husband.
Speaker 11: At that moment, when the President had his right hand
Speaker 11: up to the side of his face, he lurched just
Speaker 11: a bit forward. It was obvious the first shot had
Speaker 11: hit him. Missus Kennedy was not looking at him, and
Speaker 11: nor did she appeared to know at.
Speaker 10: That instant that her husband had been hit.
Speaker 11: Governor Connolly in the seat immediately in front of the
Speaker 11: President apparently either heard the shot or sensed that something
Speaker 11: was wrong, because Governor Connolly, with his coat opened his
Speaker 11: button was undone, turned in this manner, his hand outstretched
Speaker 11: back for the President, and the governor had a look
Speaker 11: on his face that would indicate he perhaps was.
Speaker 10: Saying what's wrong, or what happened? Or can I help
Speaker 10: or something.
Speaker 11: But as Governor Connolly was turned this way, his white
Speaker 11: shirt front exposed well to the view of the assassin.
Speaker 11: The governor was obviously hit by a bullet and he
Speaker 11: fell over to the side. Governor Connolly's wife immediately seemingly
Speaker 11: instantaneously placed herself over her husband in a protective position,
Speaker 11: it appeared, and as Governor Connolly fell back to President
Speaker 11: Kennedy was still leaned over at that moment, another bullet
Speaker 11: obviously get the head of the president. The President's head
Speaker 11: went forward violently in this manner. Missus Kennedy at that
Speaker 11: instant seemed to be looking right square at her husband.
Speaker 10: She stood up. The President slumped over to the.
Speaker 11: Side, and I believe rushed against Missus Kennedy's.
Speaker 10: Dress.
Speaker 5: Okay, I gotta show you guys this because I didn't
Speaker 5: intend to show it because I wasn't sure how how
Speaker 5: YouTube would treat me. But fuck it, we're already deep
Speaker 5: down the rabbit hole. So I'm going to play this
Speaker 5: apruder film. You guys can see it if you think
Speaker 5: that Dan Rather's interpretation of this event is accurate or not.
Speaker 5: Coming down the causeway here and first shot hit him
Speaker 5: in the neck already from from behind, and then the
Speaker 5: legal does I mean, does he go forward at all?
Speaker 5: You gotta you gotta be fucking kidding me, man, that.
Speaker 6: That is about the most misleading description that I think
Speaker 6: I've ever seen of a major event, even for the MSM.
Speaker 3: That's bad.
Speaker 5: It's unbelievable, and and the only the only way he
Speaker 5: can get away with that is because the public couldn't
Speaker 5: see that fucking footage, right, I mean, it's just it's unbelievable.
Speaker 5: I just want the audience to understand what he's saying,
Speaker 5: and I didn't play you the full five minute clip.
Speaker 5: What he says in the lead up to that is
Speaker 5: I have had the opportunity to watch this footage and
Speaker 5: I'm going to describe it to you. Take my word
Speaker 5: for it. I'm the baritone voice, trustworthy Dan Rather, you
Speaker 5: don't have to think for yourself.
Speaker 1: Here we go.
Speaker 5: And then he gives this bullshit story that is totally
Speaker 5: not reflective of what you see with your own two eyes.
Speaker 1: And it's just like I mean, it's obviously a cover up.
Speaker 5: And once again, this ties into mocking Bird, This ties
Speaker 5: into CIA, This ties into them giving him the script
Speaker 5: by which they cover up their own actions. I'm sorry,
Speaker 5: but it just seems to me like a smoking gun
Speaker 5: on so many levels. CIA did it.
Speaker 6: And by the way, this was the big step for
Speaker 6: Dan rather to go up to hierarchy at CBS. He
Speaker 6: was just a local reporter until this happened. And then
Speaker 6: he blows this story completely and he goes up to
Speaker 6: laddersde this is the way you get ahead.
Speaker 3: In the MSM.
Speaker 5: That's exactly right, because now he's their trusted guy. He
Speaker 5: carried he carried water in probably the biggest lie they
Speaker 5: ever told, or one of them, and now he's a
Speaker 5: trusted you know, puppet for him. It's just disgusting. It's disgusting.
Speaker 5: Like I can't believe that no one has ever I've
Speaker 5: never seen footage of Dan Rather being you know, accosted
Speaker 5: with this like why did you lie to us? Like
Speaker 5: you clearly lied to us, you son of a bit.
Speaker 7: You.
Speaker 5: I've never seen anybody do it. But he absolutely deserves that.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's such an egregious lie. His head
Speaker 5: does not go forward, you lying.
Speaker 1: Fuck.
Speaker 5: His head snaps back about as hard as it possibly can,
Speaker 5: and I add a huge chunk of his scull goes
Speaker 5: flying backwards. It's it's I'm sorry for the audience that
Speaker 5: I had to play it, but you have to. You
Speaker 5: have to see both in secessions so you could really
Speaker 5: understand the level of deception.
Speaker 1: It's just disgusting. Makes me so mad.
Speaker 5: All right, So I got one more question for you,
Speaker 5: because we're kind of laid on time here, but and
Speaker 5: I know we could do this for a dozen hours
Speaker 5: straight if we wanted to. I'm very curious because, as
Speaker 5: I said in the open, you know, Ron Paul has
Speaker 5: already basically, you know, declared that that was the day
Speaker 5: the Republic died. That it's obvious to me that that
Speaker 5: Ron believes Doctor Paul believes that the CIA took out JFK.
Speaker 5: I agree with his assessment. I do, obviously, I think
Speaker 5: that there was other other participants, but I think that
Speaker 5: ultimately it does not get covered up with the thorough
Speaker 5: as way in which it was if you don't have
Speaker 5: the CIA doing so. I think we've already laid the
Speaker 5: groundwork as to why you know JFK was being attack
Speaker 5: and instinct towards the CIA and vice versa. It's what
Speaker 5: it says to me as a you know, a citizen
Speaker 5: of this country, is that I'm not a free person.
Speaker 5: That there is an intelligence agency that runs this country
Speaker 5: and will use extra extra judicial violence to maintain its
Speaker 5: stranglehold on power, and even an elected president of the
Speaker 5: United States has no capacity to reform or ultimately abolish
Speaker 5: this institution. Am I overstating it?
Speaker 3: No? I don't. I don't. I don't think you are.
Speaker 6: And by the way, I'll answer it this way, okay,
Speaker 6: And I think this can close it out pretty well.
Speaker 6: A friend of mine who is a higher up and
Speaker 6: former CIA guy in the Washington area, said that he
Speaker 6: knew a guy in the Obama administration and after Obama
Speaker 6: got reelected because he was disappointed that Obama had not
Speaker 6: accomplished very much in its first four years. And so
Speaker 6: he says he's such as a president what happened to
Speaker 6: hope and change? Because that was the big model that
Speaker 6: everybody was talking about. And Obama says, you saw what
Speaker 6: happened to JFK, didn't you.
Speaker 3: That's a good way to close it out.
Speaker 1: It's scary.
Speaker 5: It's scary to I mean, there's like there's parts of
Speaker 5: me that don't want to believe it, but there's just
Speaker 5: so much evidence that what I just said is right,
Speaker 5: that like we there's no vote in your way out
Speaker 5: of it, that these people have just extraordinary power. I
Speaker 5: guess I'll end with one final question because I've always
Speaker 5: wondered this, and I doubt you have an answer, because
Speaker 5: I'm sure most people have no clue. But you've done
Speaker 5: as much researcher on this as anybody who. Do you
Speaker 5: think is there is there an institution above the CIA
Speaker 5: that is in fact running?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, now now very quickly, because you could you
Speaker 6: could talk about this for four days, Okay, But there
Speaker 6: at that time in history, all right, we're talking about
Speaker 6: nineteen sixty three, and let's make it a little wider frame.
Speaker 6: From about the fifties to the early sixties, there was
Speaker 6: something called the Eastern Establishment. Right now, today the Eastern
Speaker 6: Establishment isn't anywhere near as powerful as it was back
Speaker 6: then because the the money has gone in different directions. Okay,
Speaker 6: Today you have people like Bill Gates okay, and Bezels,
Speaker 6: et cetera. But back then there was something called the
Speaker 6: Eastern Establishment, and they started the CFR. Okay, they started
Speaker 6: the Builderberger Group, et cetera. They were very, very very powerful.
Speaker 6: Not to be specific, of course, I'm talking about people
Speaker 6: like the Rockefellers, okay, who were the epitome of that class.
Speaker 3: I believe that Alan Dulles.
Speaker 6: Who I believe was part of the plot, would never
Speaker 6: have done this unless he had approval from them first, Okay,
Speaker 6: that they were going to do c y A because
Speaker 6: they you know, people like Henry Lewis and the Rockefellers
Speaker 6: and other rich people, and they owned the media, okay,
Speaker 6: and they that they would do cover for them.
Speaker 3: That's what I think. How would happened? Now? Now, can
Speaker 3: I prove that?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 6: Okay, I can't prove it, but that's what I think
Speaker 6: after years of studied yes.
Speaker 5: No, no, I mean you spent three decades studying this.
Speaker 5: I appreciate that you're willing to at least give an
Speaker 5: educated guess, and unfortunately aligns it aligns with my own
Speaker 5: a little little confirmation bias on my end to just
Speaker 5: you know, not along. But I think that those I
Speaker 5: think that that answers the us it's concerning. But I
Speaker 5: think it's still better to know the truth, or at
Speaker 5: least to seek the truth, than to live in ignorance.
Speaker 5: And you've done a lot in assisting my audience and
Speaker 5: understanding this case a lot.
Speaker 3: Bak you so much.
Speaker 1: I think that they'll appreciate it, for sure. If you
Speaker 1: could tell people where to follow and support your work.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Kennysanking dot Com. That's my website. My latest
Speaker 6: book is a JFK Assassination, Choke Holes, which I was
Speaker 6: a contributor to. And thank you so much for having
Speaker 6: me on an in challenge and interview.
Speaker 5: All right, Oh no, absolutely, I mean it's so rare
Speaker 5: I get to talk to someone who's such an expert
Speaker 5: on any topic and you knew all of it. So
Speaker 5: I was thrilled to have this opportunity. And let me
Speaker 5: give a quick tip of the cap to mister Booth
Speaker 5: once again, who put us in touch. I did not
Speaker 5: expect to have this conversation. I was actually going to
Speaker 5: have Ryan Dawson on again to discuss the JFK files.
Speaker 5: He's done a lot of research on this too, but
Speaker 5: I think I think you actually surpassed him in this area.
Speaker 5: So and I think that people are gonna really enjoy
Speaker 5: this one. So please do hit the like Yeah, absolutely
Speaker 5: please do hit the like button, subscribe, and absolutely share
Speaker 5: this one around. Uh if you're if you're still wondering
Speaker 5: what the fuck happened with JFK, We've got some answers
Speaker 5: for you and they don't. They're not comforting, but I
Speaker 5: think that it's about as close to the truth as
Speaker 5: you're ever gonna get. So thank you guys for tuning
Speaker 5: in and I'll see you soon.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's on hold.
Speaker 1: Where did it come from?
Speaker 3: And where did he