Speaker 1: A year and a half ago, John Cena stood in
Speaker 1: the ring during Money in the Bank and he announced
Speaker 1: that he was going to be retiring in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: that this would be his final year in the ring.
Speaker 1: People began to wonder, you know, what is this retirement
Speaker 1: year going to look like, and fantasy booking all of
Speaker 1: the different matches that he could have and all of
Speaker 1: the old faces that he could step into the ring with.
Speaker 1: And of course now we are at the end of
Speaker 1: the retirement run, and there's going to be a lot
Speaker 1: said and a lot made about this final year for Sena.
Speaker 1: The good, the bad, the ugly. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of it this year. But one decision that I was
Speaker 1: pretty content with was Gunther as his final opponent. There
Speaker 1: were some people who did not like the idea of
Speaker 1: Gunther being this man's final opponent. They think Gunther is boring.
Speaker 1: I don't see Guntherer as boring. I see gun Through
Speaker 1: as a throwback. I see Gunther as the ultimate final boss.
Speaker 1: I see gun Through as somebody who it's almost impossible
Speaker 1: to go in there with and have a bad match.
Speaker 1: So you could at least be assured that John Cena
Speaker 1: and his final match was going to be able to
Speaker 1: go out there and have a good outing on his
Speaker 1: way out right, win or lose, it didn't really matter.
Speaker 1: But over the course of this retirement run, there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of missteps and a lot of men they
Speaker 1: should have done this, And everybody's going to have their
Speaker 1: own ideas and opinions on that, and that's cool, right,
Speaker 1: that's wrestling, that's the discourse online. Everybody can have their
Speaker 1: own opinion about how things should have gone. I have mine,
Speaker 1: you have yours. But one thing that I really felt
Speaker 1: in the weeks leading up to this show, even though
Speaker 1: it goes against all conventional wisdom, you would hear from
Speaker 1: these old school wrestlers that say, you have to go
Speaker 1: out on your back. You have to go out, you
Speaker 1: have to go out the right way, you have to
Speaker 1: do the honors on the way out. You have to
Speaker 1: leave things better than you left it, and you have
Speaker 1: to leave it that way because you're gone and whoever
Speaker 1: beats you is going to continue on. And I understand that.
Speaker 1: I understand that concept, I get that idea. Really felt
Speaker 1: that it would be the wrong move for John Cena
Speaker 1: to go in there and lose his final match, especially
Speaker 1: after this run that he has had very mixed bag.
Speaker 1: Nineteen thousand people there in Washington, DC tonight and men,
Speaker 1: if these people deserved anything, it was a happy ending.
Speaker 1: It was to send these people home happy and have
Speaker 1: one really happy memory of John Cena's final match at
Speaker 1: the end of a very mixed retirement run. And it
Speaker 1: came into tonight and we had the match between these
Speaker 1: two men, and it will not go down as the
Speaker 1: best match of John Sena's retirement run. John Cena has
Speaker 1: had better matches this year. John Cena had a better
Speaker 1: match with Cody Rhodes. John Cena had a better match
Speaker 1: with aj Styles. It was not a bad match. They
Speaker 1: actually went in there. I thought they had a good match.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and tell you that
Speaker 1: it was amazing, awesome stuff because it was, and it
Speaker 1: never really reached that level. It actually it got a
Speaker 1: little repetitive there in the middle after some of those
Speaker 1: clothesline spots. But as the match went on, you know,
Speaker 1: they had the people on all the near falls and
Speaker 1: it was building and it was like, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: the kind of match I was expecting these dude to
Speaker 1: go out there and have. But the story coming into
Speaker 1: the match was Gunther going on television and saying, I'm
Speaker 1: not just going to beat John Cena. I'm going to
Speaker 1: make him give up. John Cena's entire run over the
Speaker 1: past twenty years has been about one thing, never give up.
Speaker 1: It's on all of his t shirts, it's on all
Speaker 1: of his hats, it's on all of his little towels
Speaker 1: that he comes out. Every single time he comes out,
Speaker 1: we see the little towel, never give up, all the
Speaker 1: little kids running around, never give up. Right, It's his
Speaker 1: whole mantra. This entire Babyface run over the last two
Speaker 1: decades has been built around this idea that you never
Speaker 1: give up. And they really wanted you to believe coming
Speaker 1: into the show that Gunther was going to make this
Speaker 1: guy give up. And I said it even as late
Speaker 1: as last night in the SmackDown review, I say, I
Speaker 1: would be stunned if they go in there and the
Speaker 1: one thing that they do is they have this man
Speaker 1: tap out verbally submit. Nobody really does that anymore. That
Speaker 1: used to be the way it was done before Ken
Speaker 1: Shamrock came in, but now everybody taps out. I would
Speaker 1: be stunned if they went that route. As the matches
Speaker 1: going on. We see Gunther with the sleeper hole. He's
Speaker 1: trying to put John Cena out, but he keeps fighting
Speaker 1: out of it. And I loved it because they did
Speaker 1: the spot where the arm drops once and then the
Speaker 1: arm drops twice. When was the last time WWE did that?
Speaker 1: They've been doing the one arm drop now for years,
Speaker 1: but all of a sudden tonight it's the old school
Speaker 1: way of doing it. But nevertheless, but then John Cena
Speaker 1: he's still in it right. He keeps fighting and he's fighting,
Speaker 1: and he's fighting until ultimately he can fight no more.
Speaker 1: Gunther has him in the sleeper hole. The fans are
Speaker 1: the fans are literally chanting at him, don't give up?
Speaker 1: And what does John Cena do? How do they decide
Speaker 1: to end this match here? How do they decide to
Speaker 1: end this retirement run by having John seen a look
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he was looking at his
Speaker 1: wife or who he was looking at. He was looking
Speaker 1: at somebody in the crowd. He didn't look particularly bothered
Speaker 1: by being trapped in this sleeper hole. He had a
Speaker 1: smile on his face. Perhaps he was resigned to his fate.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are people that will argue, well, can't
Speaker 1: you see the story that was being told here? This
Speaker 1: man was trapped at a hold he knew from which
Speaker 1: there was no escape. Everything he was trying to do
Speaker 1: to this man wasn't working. He had no choice but
Speaker 1: to tap out. And what followed was the most half
Speaker 1: hearted tap out that you will ever see in a
Speaker 1: professional wrestling match, as the man goes out tapping with
Speaker 1: a smile on his face and not since the Undertaker's
Speaker 1: streak was broken at WrestleMania, have you seen a crowd
Speaker 1: this stunned, stunned, little kids in the crowd, crying, people
Speaker 1: with their eyes wide open. Right, this is what they
Speaker 1: were going for. They were going for the moment, They
Speaker 1: were going for the visual. They had the camera all
Speaker 1: prepared and ready for all the crowd shots, for all
Speaker 1: the shock fans in the audience. They weren't too happy
Speaker 1: about what they saw. Gunter beat John Cena by making
Speaker 1: him do the one thing that he told everybody, never do,
Speaker 1: never give up. Now, you could say that there's some
Speaker 1: sort of poetic justice in that. You could say that's
Speaker 1: some sort of metaphor story there to it. All I
Speaker 1: saw there was a finish that was completely and utterly horrendous.
Speaker 1: I disagree wholeheartedly with that finish, and obviously the crowd
Speaker 1: of Washington, DC did as well. But you can understand
Speaker 1: why because a lot of people in the building tonight,
Speaker 1: nineteen thousand people basically gave their first born away to
Speaker 1: get tickets to this show. That is not the outcome
Speaker 1: that they were hoping for. At the end of this show,
Speaker 1: Triple H comes out with the rest of the locker
Speaker 1: room when the match is over, and boyd they didn't
Speaker 1: like Triple H either. They let him have it. Fuck you,
Speaker 1: Triple H, you fucked up, serenaded with Chance from this crowd.
Speaker 1: He was the biggest heel in the building. Triple H
Speaker 1: ended up being a bigger heel than Gunther. The final
Speaker 1: visual or one of the final visuals and parting images
Speaker 1: of John Cena's retirement will now be Triple H being
Speaker 1: booed out of the building in Washington, DC and being
Speaker 1: serenaded by Chance of you Fucked Up. That is now
Speaker 1: one of the lasting images of John Cena's retirement. And
Speaker 1: my issue isn't even that they had Gunner win the match.
Speaker 1: I would have preferred to see John Cena get the
Speaker 1: win because sometimes you know, what for the crowd, and
Speaker 1: not just the crowd in Washington, but just the audience
Speaker 1: in general. It's just the right thing to do. You
Speaker 1: talk about moments, you talk about reading the room right,
Speaker 1: Reading the room is not something the WW He did
Speaker 1: very well tonight. But I don't even have an issue
Speaker 1: so much with gun Through winning the match. It's the
Speaker 1: way in which he won the match. I think that
Speaker 1: was a horrendous decision. And I can't sit here and
Speaker 1: tell you for sure that it was even Triple H's
Speaker 1: final decision. It probably was. Maybe it was John Cena
Speaker 1: who went to them and said this is the way
Speaker 1: that I want to go out. I find that hard
Speaker 1: to believe, because all we've been told this entire time,
Speaker 1: including by Sena himself, is how deferential he is to
Speaker 1: the powers that be, how deferential he always was to
Speaker 1: Vince McMahon, how deferential he is to Triple H. He
Speaker 1: doesn't rock the boat, he shows up to work, he's
Speaker 1: a loyal soldier, he does what he's told, he doesn't
Speaker 1: push back. Now I'm supposed to believe that John Cena
Speaker 1: came in and said this is the way that we're
Speaker 1: going to do things. Maybe it was you know what,
Speaker 1: even if it was John Cena's decision, I hope he's
Speaker 1: content with his decision because he deserves to be. He
Speaker 1: deserves it. John Cena has put over twenty years of blood,
Speaker 1: sweat and tears into this company, has gone in there
Speaker 1: year after year after year and busted his ass and
Speaker 1: worked his way up the ladder, and has had tons
Speaker 1: of classic matches, seventeen World Championships, all the make a
Speaker 1: Wish stuff, all the stuff that he has done for
Speaker 1: this company over two decades. He deserves to go out
Speaker 1: the way that he wants. To me. This reeked of
Speaker 1: a WWE creative decision that, you know what, the ultimate
Speaker 1: thing for us to do, We're gonna have John Cena
Speaker 1: go in there and give up. Boy, what a rub
Speaker 1: that'll give to Gunther. So now I have to sit
Speaker 1: here and I have to, I'm sure, wade through comments
Speaker 1: about well, you know, it's all about the future. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: forty year old Gunther is the future. It's all about
Speaker 1: the future, and it's all about giving gun through the rub.
Speaker 1: As if Gunther beating John Cena it any other way
Speaker 1: wasn't enough of a rub for him to go out there.
Speaker 1: From this point on, and say that he was the
Speaker 1: man who retired John Cena. I'm the man who put
Speaker 1: John Cena out. Had John Cena gone stone cold unconscious,
Speaker 1: let's say in the Sleeperholder, I'm the man who pinned
Speaker 1: John Cena's shoulders to the mat. You would have gotten
Speaker 1: plenty of rub out of that. You want to prepare
Speaker 1: Gunther for a big match with brock Lesner. I don't
Speaker 1: really see what major difference that would have made. But instead,
Speaker 1: what you did is you gave the fans the most
Speaker 1: deflating possible finish to the man's final match. And on
Speaker 1: top of all that, and on top of the crowd
Speaker 1: rebelling and turning against this finish, and it got ugly there.
Speaker 1: It got ugly at the end, and frankly, you know,
Speaker 1: John Cena didn't deserve that in his final match. That
Speaker 1: this is now going to be the story of the match.
Speaker 1: But beyond that, they play a tribute video to John
Speaker 1: Cena and we get to watch him in picture and
Speaker 1: picture as he's watching this video. And then when it's over,
Speaker 1: John Cena does what many wrestlers do when they have
Speaker 1: wrestled their final match. Undertaker did this. It wrestled mania
Speaker 1: thirty three when he thought he had wrestled his final match.
Speaker 1: Probably should have, but there in Orlando, took the jacket off, right,
Speaker 1: took the gloves off, took the hat off, left it
Speaker 1: in the middle of the ring. We just saw the
Speaker 1: Dudley Boys and the Hardy Boys at the TNA bound
Speaker 1: for Glory pay per view at the end of their
Speaker 1: ladder match. Right left their boots in the ring, gave
Speaker 1: their boots to Matt and Jeff Hardy. That's what you do.
Speaker 1: John Sena takes off his sneakers and he takes off
Speaker 1: the armbands and he leaves the ring. No comments, no
Speaker 1: postmatch speech, nothing. So as if the finish wasn't bad
Speaker 1: enough and that wasn't deflating enough, they didn't even get
Speaker 1: to hear from John Cena. He just left. He saluted everybody,
Speaker 1: and he was gone like a flash in the wind.
Speaker 1: And so ends a twenty plus year career, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: in the most deflating possible way, after a very mixed
Speaker 1: bag of a retirement tour. This will be a finish
Speaker 1: that will be debated by people. I'm gonna get all
Speaker 1: kinds of comments from people, Oh you're wrong, this is
Speaker 1: how it had to be. This is how it had
Speaker 1: to be. He had to tap out. No he didn't, No,
Speaker 1: he didn't. And the fact that he did, and did
Speaker 1: so in the most anti climactic way possible, it was
Speaker 1: almost an appropriate way, frankly for his final match to
Speaker 1: end on this retirement tour in many ways. You know what,
Speaker 1: Maybe it was apropos that it ended the way that
Speaker 1: it did, But I just think that sometimes you know
Speaker 1: what you do what's right in terms of the story,
Speaker 1: and you do what's right in terms of what you
Speaker 1: think is going to be an appropriate ending to that story.
Speaker 1: I think John Cena should have won. The fact that
Speaker 1: Gunther won, fine, they're gonna build him up for some
Speaker 1: big match at WrestleMania. He's now going to be the
Speaker 1: career ender. He's going to be the legend Killer, now
Speaker 1: the new legend Killer. He retired Bill Goldberg, he retired
Speaker 1: John Cena. He'll probably retire AJ Styles and they'll have
Speaker 1: a really good match next year, and so on and
Speaker 1: so forth, and you know what, I hope it all
Speaker 1: works out for them. But it's not as if if
Speaker 1: the finish had gone a different way and he won
Speaker 1: in different fashion, that it would have negatively impacted his
Speaker 1: perception among wrestling fans that it would have somehow negatively
Speaker 1: impacted the perception of Gunther as this destroyer. He would
Speaker 1: have been just fine, but you would have been able
Speaker 1: to give the crowd at least something to hang their
Speaker 1: hat on. This is a man who spent twenty years
Speaker 1: saying never give up, and in the end, even though
Speaker 1: this man wanted him to, guntherer literally was in the
Speaker 1: middle of the ring on Raw Monday night telling us
Speaker 1: I'm going to make you give up. Right. We got
Speaker 1: no response from Seena because he wasn't around to promote
Speaker 1: the match, and then you just go in there and
Speaker 1: he does exactly what he said he was going to do,
Speaker 1: instead of having John Cena say you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna do it and let him go out cold.
Speaker 1: Even that I could have accepted, and frankly, the fans,
Speaker 1: while they would have been disappointed, I think they would
Speaker 1: have been able to stomach that a little bit better.
Speaker 1: But now they're getting a lot of backlash for that finish.
Speaker 1: What do you expect People paid a lot of money
Speaker 1: to come to this show to see John sate his
Speaker 1: final match, and that's the ending you give them. You
Speaker 1: can't fault the fans for being upset and rebelling against
Speaker 1: the finish or the fucking match. It's not like the
Speaker 1: fans were missing the point here. I think the fans
Speaker 1: have a right to be upset about it. I don't
Speaker 1: blame them. They went with the one finish that I
Speaker 1: said this would be the worst finish that they could do.
Speaker 1: And that is how John Cena's career comes to an end.
Speaker 1: Selfless until the very end, because the story about John
Speaker 1: Cena in the last several years of his career is
Speaker 1: that again, he is willing to do whatever he thinks
Speaker 1: is going to be good for the company and whatever
Speaker 1: the company expects him to do. And if this is
Speaker 1: what the company expects him to do, then you know what,
Speaker 1: He's going to go out there and he's going to
Speaker 1: do it to the best of his ability. But I
Speaker 1: think what ends up happening sometimes is you do it
Speaker 1: to the detriment of the show. You're telling stories. You know,
Speaker 1: they fancy themselves as storytellers. We tell stories, and yes,
Speaker 1: sometimes those stories aren't happy stories. Sometimes those stories don't
Speaker 1: have happy endings. I get that not every retirement on
Speaker 1: origunately can be like stings retirement, which was fucking awesome
Speaker 1: last year, but not every retirement is going to be
Speaker 1: that way. Sometimes guys are going to go out on
Speaker 1: the losing end of things. I just think the way
Speaker 1: they went about doing it tonight was horrendous, and I
Speaker 1: think it's sad that part of the lasting image now
Speaker 1: will be of these angry fans chanting at the booker
Speaker 1: when he came out to the ring and saying fuck
Speaker 1: you Triple H. You fucked up. Yeah you did, you
Speaker 1: fucked up. But it doesn't take away from the career
Speaker 1: that John Cena has had. He's had a very blessed career.
Speaker 1: John Cena has had a more, frankly, a more blessed
Speaker 1: career than most Hall of famers right now in the
Speaker 1: WWE Hall of Fame. The longevity that this man had
Speaker 1: on top for so many years, and we could get
Speaker 1: into the reasons why that was, and maybe sometimes at
Speaker 1: the expense of Vince McMahon pushing other people who were
Speaker 1: getting over and had their legs cut off. Whether or
Speaker 1: not you want to blame Sena for that is irrelevant,
Speaker 1: but the point is this man had a run on
Speaker 1: top that was longer than frankly most of the major
Speaker 1: names that you would think of that are probably on
Speaker 1: many people's Mount Rushmore's. Even Hulk Hogan didn't have as
Speaker 1: many years on top. During his first run in WW
Speaker 1: his first major run as John cenahead, John Cena had
Speaker 1: him beat by about a year year and a half.
Speaker 1: Stone Cold Steve Austin the Rock Randy said, we can
Speaker 1: go up and down the list here. Doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: John Cena is the greatest of all time. Of course,
Speaker 1: that's a very subjective thing. He's not my goat. He
Speaker 1: may be your goat. He's certainly in the conversation. But
Speaker 1: wherever you think he falls in that pecking order, the
Speaker 1: last year will not define his entire body of work.
Speaker 1: And the fact is he has a very impressive body
Speaker 1: of work. When you look back on all of the
Speaker 1: matches that this man has had in his career, and
Speaker 1: some of those great matches happen this year. Unfortunately, I
Speaker 1: think we could have gotten more of them, and we
Speaker 1: had that terrible heel turn, which never should have had
Speaker 1: happened in the first place, twelve years too late. I
Speaker 1: think that he'll turn twelve or thirteen years ago would
Speaker 1: have been fucking amazing, But it didn't happen, so that
Speaker 1: story will be told about the final year for John Cena.
Speaker 1: As far as this show was concerned, one thing John
Speaker 1: Cena made it very clear that he wanted to do
Speaker 1: coming into it. He wanted to shine a spotlight on
Speaker 1: the future and have other matches involving talents from NXT.
Speaker 1: So we had Obafemi, the NXT champion on this show.
Speaker 1: We had soul Ruka, who was going to be a
Speaker 1: future women's World champion guaranteed. We had Leon Slater and
Speaker 1: Javon Evans. We had the TNA X Division champion on
Speaker 1: Saturday Night's main event, so that was very cool. There
Speaker 1: really were no bad matches on the show. Every match
Speaker 1: was at least good. There was nothing blow away on
Speaker 1: this show, and there was the potential for that, but
Speaker 1: they kept many of the matches very short. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know how long did the
Speaker 1: main event go. The main event was clearly the longest
Speaker 1: match on the show, but most of the matches on
Speaker 1: the show, I don't think what longer than maybe ten
Speaker 1: minutes or so, so a lot of them never really
Speaker 1: had time to get going. You had Cody Rhodes and Obafemi,
Speaker 1: who of course had the screwy finish thanks to Drew MacIntyre,
Speaker 1: which everybody should have seen that coming. But boy, did
Speaker 1: Obafemi show up tonight and make a statement. People love
Speaker 1: to throw the word aura around when people walk at
Speaker 1: Oh this guy, he's got aura, right, this woman has aura.
Speaker 1: Obafemi has aura. Obafemi walked out there tonight. That's a
Speaker 1: guy that you can build this company around for years
Speaker 1: to come. People talk about bron Breaker and other people,
Speaker 1: Obafemi is at the top of that list. Soul Ruka
Speaker 1: as far as the women's division, she's also in that
Speaker 1: top mix going forward. Javon Evans twenty one years old.
Speaker 1: I mean, my god, he's still so young. But you
Speaker 1: could see the potential in him as well. So John
Speaker 1: Cena at least was able to, you know, make one request,
Speaker 1: which was, I don't want this night to be just
Speaker 1: about me. I understand it's my retirement, so a lot
Speaker 1: of it's going to be about me, but let it
Speaker 1: also be about the other people who are coming up,
Speaker 1: who are on the ascent like I was when I
Speaker 1: walked out there and I accepted that open challenge from
Speaker 1: Kurt Angle in two thousand and two. So I actually thought,
Speaker 1: as far as Saturday Night's main event shows are concerned,
Speaker 1: this was one of the better ones that they've done
Speaker 1: this year. But man, that finish and the way it
Speaker 1: was done is going to leave a very sour taste
Speaker 1: in people's mouths. And I do not blame the fans
Speaker 1: one iota. They have every right to feel that way.
Speaker 1: You know. Again, sometimes you do a finish that in
Speaker 1: the moment, yeah, it pisses you off, but like you
Speaker 1: look at it and go, man, this was the right
Speaker 1: thing to do. I just don't think this was the
Speaker 1: right thing to do. I don't think gunn Through winning
Speaker 1: in the way that he did needed to happen that way.
Speaker 1: I think you could have had a compromise where he wins,
Speaker 1: but you give seen a little something. He goes down fighting.
Speaker 1: There was no struggle there. Whatever story they were trying
Speaker 1: to tell, or he was trying to tell with that
Speaker 1: smirk on his face, for me, anyway, it didn't work.
Speaker 1: It came off as lame and it's too bad because
Speaker 1: I take him at his word. There will never be
Speaker 1: another John Cena match ever. Again, what we saw tonight
Speaker 1: is his last match. This will not be a Terry Funker,
Speaker 1: a Mick Foley retirement, or anybody any other number of
Speaker 1: wrestlers that have said I'm done and then they come
Speaker 1: back He's finished, and so for it to happen that way,
Speaker 1: I think was a shame. Match itself was good, the
Speaker 1: finish was not, and I'll let you all debate that
Speaker 1: in the comments. This is your Saturday Night's main event
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Speaker 1: I don't think John Seed has worn boots in two
Speaker 1: thousand and two. By the way, you saw John Cena
Speaker 1: out there tonight in the jorts. That was the last
Speaker 1: time that you will ever see John Cena in the jorts.
Speaker 1: He has said that he'll be making appearances in the future,
Speaker 1: but in terms of the T shirt and the hat
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Speaker 1: the beginning here. So they opened this show with shots
Speaker 1: I wish, I wish. We started with shots with shots
Speaker 1: of Sean Michaels, Johnny Gargano, there is that's the new
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Speaker 1: just just the special for Sena's retirement. Shawn Michaels, Jonnie Gargano,
Speaker 1: Trish Stratus, Kurt Angle, Mark Henry, they had the Punisher.
Speaker 1: They had Shane from The Walking Dead actor John Burnhal,
Speaker 1: who actually I think is oh god, what is he?
Speaker 1: Is he Kurt Angle's nephew or cousin. He's related to
Speaker 1: Kurt Angle, I think by marriage. So he was there.
Speaker 1: We got a shot at him in the crowd. Rapper
Speaker 1: Metro Booman was there, so then we got a video
Speaker 1: retrospective of seeing his career, and then it was time
Speaker 1: for some actual wrestling, saying did I say it wrong?
Speaker 1: Super saying okay, thank you. See my understanding is that
Speaker 1: when it was translated from Japanese to English, the translation
Speaker 1: was actually incorrect. So there's a lot of people who
Speaker 1: say the word wrong. So I thought it was saying
Speaker 1: you're telling me. It's saying, well, I'll take your word
Speaker 1: for it. You know more about dragon Ball than I would.
Speaker 1: So Cody Rhodes is the WWE champion. He entered first.
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that cause you can't really
Speaker 1: go wrong here, right, you got two champions coming out.
Speaker 1: Normally the champion entering first would annoy me, but since
Speaker 1: they're bold champions, it's okay. Can I just say Obafemi
Speaker 1: his entrance? I know this is his entrance from NXT.
Speaker 1: The way they produce and shoot his entrance is fantastic.
Speaker 1: You see the shadowy figure, you get the music, he
Speaker 1: comes out, he's doing the dance right. This guy's gonna
Speaker 1: be fucking money, man. This guy's money. So he makes
Speaker 1: his way out to the ring, and you know, they
Speaker 1: pointed out on commentary that he was discovered through their
Speaker 1: Next in Line program three years ago. So think about this.
Speaker 1: Think about where he is right now. He was not
Speaker 1: wrestling before he was discovered for his athletic background three
Speaker 1: years ago. He's been doing this for three years, and
Speaker 1: look how far he's already come. Think about where he'll
Speaker 1: be a few years from now right, it's kind of scary.
Speaker 1: So anyway, this was his first main roster match, hopefully
Speaker 1: not the last one he'll have in these next few months.
Speaker 1: So he won the chance here to wrestle Cody by
Speaker 1: regaining the NXT Champion from Ricky Saints at the NXT
Speaker 1: Deadline show last weekend. Femmy typically, you know, overpowers his
Speaker 1: opponents in his matches. This was no different here. He
Speaker 1: was doing the same thing here with Cody throwing him around.
Speaker 1: There was an early spot where Cody went for that
Speaker 1: drop down thrust that he does. Oba just reached down
Speaker 1: and just grabbed him. He just snatched him and brought
Speaker 1: him back up to his feet like a child. So
Speaker 1: Femmi hit a backbreaker and he was starting to pick
Speaker 1: apart Cody. Obo whipped Cody into the corner and Cody
Speaker 1: started throwing some punches. Oba didn't like that, so he
Speaker 1: picked up Cody and he bealed him halfway across the
Speaker 1: ring again like a small child. Cody did dodge a
Speaker 1: charge in the corner and went for a power slam. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that snap power slam that he does. He couldn't get
Speaker 1: him up. Oba just looked at him, so he stuffed
Speaker 1: that attempt and then hit a power slam of his own.
Speaker 1: Every time Cody would throw a kick at Oba, Oba
Speaker 1: just shook it off and he would deliver one of
Speaker 1: his own. So Oba charge into the corner. Cody moved
Speaker 1: and that sent Oba into the ring post shoulder first.
Speaker 1: So Oba now he staggers back and Cody does hit
Speaker 1: the snap power slam this time. Then he hits a
Speaker 1: Cody cutter and Oba kicks out at two. Cody tried
Speaker 1: another cutter, but Femi caught him and Cody twisted Femi
Speaker 1: out over the top rope to the floor. He went
Speaker 1: for a dive out after him, Oba caught him with
Speaker 1: an uppercut on the way through. Before Cody could even
Speaker 1: leave the ring, so Oba charged in the ring again. Cody,
Speaker 1: though pull down the top rope that sent Oba out
Speaker 1: of the ring. Cody followed with a suicide dive over
Speaker 1: by the aisleway by the way, I forgot to mention
Speaker 1: Jesse the body Ventura was back tonight. Now, he was
Speaker 1: not on the actual show, but if you were watching
Speaker 1: the pre show, they had him as part of the
Speaker 1: panel multiple times. And I love it because it's just
Speaker 1: Jesse being Jesse. Jesse's always very practical, and Jesse the
Speaker 1: Know talking about how seen as a seventeen time world champion,
Speaker 1: and Jesse says, yeah, but there's one thing you got
Speaker 1: to remember. If he won it seventeen times, that means
Speaker 1: he lost it seventeen times. And that's not something that
Speaker 1: I would be bragging about. And I thought to myself,
Speaker 1: you know what, He's right, He's right. If you would
Speaker 1: have asked me if I was a wrestler, would I
Speaker 1: rather have like one really long title run or would
Speaker 1: I rather have like ten shorter ones, I would want
Speaker 1: the one long title run. To me, that's more impressive, right,
Speaker 1: thirteen hundred days Roman Reigns is the undisputed champion. That's
Speaker 1: far more impressive than if Roman Reigns won the title
Speaker 1: eight times and then lost it eight times. Jesse's right.
Speaker 1: As always, Jesse is right. So it was good to
Speaker 1: see him back, but he was not on the actual show.
Speaker 1: So back in the ring, Cody came off the ropes,
Speaker 1: Book caught him and hit a great spinebuster for a
Speaker 1: near fall, and the crowd was really with him here.
Speaker 1: Crowd was super into this. Femi clothes lined him over
Speaker 1: the top rope. He went to the outside and he's
Speaker 1: kind of Cody's over by the announced desk and Oba
Speaker 1: is kind of stalking him, and he comes like bron breaker.
Speaker 1: He's rounding the bend and he comes charging in. Now,
Speaker 1: if you have a guy as big as Oba Femi
Speaker 1: and he is running towards you, okay at an increased
Speaker 1: rate of speed, First of all, I would probably shit
Speaker 1: myself and with any luck, it might actually leak out
Speaker 1: and fall on the floor, and then he would slip
Speaker 1: and fall right and that would be my opening. See,
Speaker 1: that would be my strategy. But here that didn't happen. Instead,
Speaker 1: he comes charging in with this running uppercut and both
Speaker 1: mango flying over the announced desk. Oba took a pretty
Speaker 1: rough bump onto the announced desk and then bounced off
Speaker 1: and landed on the floor. Cody, though, got the worst
Speaker 1: of it because he came up bleeding from the ear.
Speaker 1: And the first thing I thought of was Travis Scott
Speaker 1: at the elimination chamber. When Travis Scott busted his ear drum,
Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, that's just what he needs. Another busted
Speaker 1: ear drum here in twenty twenty five. Hopefully it was
Speaker 1: just something superficial but as the match went on, I mean,
Speaker 1: he was bleeding pretty good, to the point where the
Speaker 1: blood was kind of smeared across his jaw and it
Speaker 1: almost looked like, well, is it coming from his ear
Speaker 1: or his mouth? Clearly it was coming from his ear though.
Speaker 1: So back in the ring, Femi planted Cody with a
Speaker 1: choke slam, only got a two count. Cody came back
Speaker 1: with a Cody cutter, and now both men were down.
Speaker 1: Now at this point in the match, the fans begin
Speaker 1: to stir. There's a commotion in the crowd, and I
Speaker 1: knew exactly what was about to happen. I knew exactly
Speaker 1: who was coming out. They weren't showing him. But then,
Speaker 1: sure enough, who shows up at ringside. It is Drew McIntyre.
Speaker 1: He suspended Drew McIntyre, who slides into the ring and
Speaker 1: he attacks Cody for the very lame disqualification. Fans booed
Speaker 1: they did not like this finish, not the only finish
Speaker 1: on this show that they would be booing before this
Speaker 1: night was over. Oba popped up. He also wasn't happy
Speaker 1: about this, so he pulls McIntyre off of Cody. The
Speaker 1: two of them share a stare down now the fans
Speaker 1: are getting into this. They like this. So McIntyre is
Speaker 1: like putting his finger at his chest and Oba shoves
Speaker 1: him back on his ass and his McIntyre gets back
Speaker 1: up to his feet, Cody comes off the ropes, takes
Speaker 1: him down with a Cody cutter, and then Oba puts
Speaker 1: the exclamation point on things with a choke slam. So
Speaker 1: Drew McIntyre still jobbing then, now and forever, poor Drew.
Speaker 1: And you know what, I'd like to say that I'm
Speaker 1: confident that when he and Cody get back in the
Speaker 1: ring together, I'm guessing on January second, he might actually
Speaker 1: win the championship this time. I cannot sit here and
Speaker 1: tell you that I am terribly confident about that, although
Speaker 1: I will say if they're gonna do the match, that
Speaker 1: there's really no reason to do it. If not to
Speaker 1: put the title and Drew, are they actually going to
Speaker 1: follow through and do it, that's a different story. So
Speaker 1: Cody grabs both belts and he hands actually tossed the
Speaker 1: NXT Championship to Oba, and he went to go raise
Speaker 1: Oba's arm and the crowd cheered. Oba then raised Cody's
Speaker 1: arm and they shook hands. So we have a mutual
Speaker 1: respect here between these two champions, but no clear winner
Speaker 1: because they wanted to play it safe and they didn't
Speaker 1: want to beat anybody. Now, in a perfect world, Oba Fem,
Speaker 1: you would have gotten the biggest win of his career
Speaker 1: here and pinned the WWE champion. And I think Cody
Speaker 1: is enough of a mad guy that it wouldn't have
Speaker 1: really hurt him. But I get it. I understand them
Speaker 1: wanting to pin Cody Rhodes, and I definitely did not
Speaker 1: want to see Oba Femi take a pin here in
Speaker 1: his first main roster match. I mean, it's against Cody,
Speaker 1: but still so I get it. I get it. But
Speaker 1: too often WWE does this where they have to play
Speaker 1: it safe, Right, we can't beat this guy, we can't
Speaker 1: beat this woman, so we'll have to just play it
Speaker 1: right down the middle. We'll have a no contest, we'll
Speaker 1: throw it away. You know, after a while, it just
Speaker 1: gets tiresome. They're afraid to take chances, that's what they
Speaker 1: That's the real issue with the booking a lot of
Speaker 1: the time. But I understand why they did this here.
Speaker 1: Was it a cop out finish, Yes, yes it was,
Speaker 1: but they did it in a way that I think
Speaker 1: was smart because if you were going to do a
Speaker 1: cop out finish like this, do it in a way
Speaker 1: where you piss the fans off, but then you give
Speaker 1: them a moment right where they can cheer and be happy.
Speaker 1: And also you give Oba a moment to shine because
Speaker 1: Oba's like, yeah, what the fuck dude? Right, and Oba
Speaker 1: beats up Drew, So you make Oba look strong, right
Speaker 1: because he didn't ask for this, So let me play
Speaker 1: this guy down, which is what he did. He put
Speaker 1: Drew McIntyre down. That's the right way to do it
Speaker 1: if you're gonna do a finish like that. But also
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting, is what we saw tonight a hint
Speaker 1: at maybe a direction for Oba if he's gonna be
Speaker 1: called up soon to the main roster. Is there a
Speaker 1: potential WrestleMania match between Obafemi and Drew McIntyre, Because I
Speaker 1: was thinking about that. If Drew McIntyre's not going into
Speaker 1: WrestleMania as the WWE champion, okay, and he's not. He's
Speaker 1: not going in into the champion, even if he wins
Speaker 1: the belt from Cody in their next match, He's not
Speaker 1: going into WrestleMania as the champion. What does he do
Speaker 1: at WrestleMania. Now Oba is the NXT Champion. I don't
Speaker 1: want him to be the NXT Champion for longer than
Speaker 1: he needs to be. Obafemi should be on the main
Speaker 1: roster starting in the Royal Rumble. I would have him
Speaker 1: drop that championship in New Year's Evil. I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say they run back Oba and Javon Evans with
Speaker 1: Ricky Saints thrown in. We may get a triple thread
Speaker 1: on New Year's Evil. Since Javon already got his match
Speaker 1: and lost, and you can beat Oba without him having
Speaker 1: to take the loss, It's perfect. You could put the
Speaker 1: NXT Championship back on Ricky Sains at New Year's Evil
Speaker 1: without Oba Femi even taking the losing fall. You could
Speaker 1: build to Ricky Sains and Javon Evans at Stand and Deliver,
Speaker 1: and you can debut Oba in the Rumble and let
Speaker 1: that be his official call up to the main roster
Speaker 1: and SmackDown specifically because SmackDown fucking desperately needs somebody like him.
Speaker 1: Drew McIntyre is on SmackDown Oba, and Drew is a
Speaker 1: WrestleMania match. Shit, sign me up. I'm all for that.
Speaker 1: I think that'd be a great idea. As far as
Speaker 1: this match here, I love the dominance. Oba was pretty
Speaker 1: freakin' dombina. I mean, the way they portrayed him in
Speaker 1: this match was pitch perfect. Everything Cody was doing, most
Speaker 1: of it was working. Oba looked really good here in
Speaker 1: this match, and I think he was portrayed exactly the
Speaker 1: way that he should be. So I like this. I
Speaker 1: thought this was good. I can't say it was great.
Speaker 1: You can't have a great match when it's that short
Speaker 1: with a terrible finish like that. Those are just two
Speaker 1: strikes against it. But what they did here I thought
Speaker 1: was good. Now we have Bailey again soul Ruka. This
Speaker 1: is our lone women's match here on this show. Bailey,
Speaker 1: of course representing Monday Night Raw. She came out with
Speaker 1: Lyra Valkyria in her corner and we had soul Ruka
Speaker 1: out with her tag team partner Zaria. Bailey came out
Speaker 1: with a big smile on her face when she saw
Speaker 1: Trish Stratus in the front row, she went over to
Speaker 1: go hug Trish and do you know who was sitting
Speaker 1: next to Trish, Eve Torres? Eve Torres. I had a
Speaker 1: crush on Eve Torres I thought Eve was just fantastic.
Speaker 1: Eve is a beautiful woman. She looks the same to
Speaker 1: me like Eve is still a beautiful woman. And Eve
Speaker 1: is somebody who actually did make improvements in the ring.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, you know, she's a Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame Women's wrestler or anything like that, but she and
Speaker 1: Candice Michelle were two women from that Diva's era who
Speaker 1: I felt made noticeable improvements in the ring. And of
Speaker 1: course Eve had a storyline at one point with John Cena,
Speaker 1: remember her and Zach Ryder and John Cena, And she
Speaker 1: kissed Sena, So that's the connection there with her. I
Speaker 1: can't remember the last time we've even seen her on
Speaker 1: WWE television so many many years they usually don't bring
Speaker 1: her back, so it was good to see her. She
Speaker 1: was in the front row, so Bailey got a headlock
Speaker 1: right off the top and she transitioned into a wastelock takedown.
Speaker 1: Ruka took down Bailey with a flipping Rana head scissor,
Speaker 1: followed by an X factor. Bailey rolled to the outside
Speaker 1: to try to recover, and she was able to lure
Speaker 1: Ruka to the ropes. When she got there, Bailey hung
Speaker 1: her up on the ropes, so the fight moved out
Speaker 1: to the apron. Soul kicked Bailey to the ground, hit
Speaker 1: a PK right to the face. She went to go
Speaker 1: for a flip from the apron, Bailey moved out of
Speaker 1: the way, Soul turned around, she got mowed down, so
Speaker 1: Bailey threw her back inside. Ruka though, planted a kick
Speaker 1: right in Bailey's face, sent her right back out, and
Speaker 1: then she hit a handspring moonsaal out over the top
Speaker 1: rope and landed on top of Bailey. And it's funny
Speaker 1: because a friend of mine was watching the show with
Speaker 1: his family and they had never seen Soul Ruca before.
Speaker 1: They don't watch NXT. They don't know anybody from NXT
Speaker 1: except you know, Joe Hendry, and he's texting me during
Speaker 1: the show. She's got four new fans now, just from
Speaker 1: this one match. Sol Ruka got four new fans, at
Speaker 1: least just from this one match. They're very impressed by
Speaker 1: what they saw from her here in this match and
Speaker 1: her gymnastics and her tumbling background. The only thing I
Speaker 1: fear for when it comes to Soul are her knee.
Speaker 1: She's already had an ACL operation right she had the
Speaker 1: brace or still had the brace on her knee. When
Speaker 1: you're do in a lot of those flips and you know,
Speaker 1: the over the top moon salts and stuff and landing
Speaker 1: on your feet, you gotta be careful. You know, there's
Speaker 1: been an epidemic of knee injuries and ACL tears with
Speaker 1: that NXT Women's division over the last few years. That's
Speaker 1: the only thing I worry about with her. But she
Speaker 1: stays healthy. Sky's a limit for her. So anyway, Ruca
Speaker 1: put Bailey back in the ring went for a springboard splash. Bailey,
Speaker 1: though moved and Soul crashed and burned. She eventually recovered,
Speaker 1: though she went for another springboard, walked right into a
Speaker 1: Bailey to belly souplex, only for a near fall. Ruca
Speaker 1: came back with a kick and a backslide. Bailey, though
Speaker 1: transitioned into a rose plant. Soul though countered it with
Speaker 1: a shining wizard kind of and then she went for
Speaker 1: a springboard. Bailey, though, caught her in another rose plant
Speaker 1: and Bailey made a cover, but she pulled her legs
Speaker 1: back so far it gave Soul enough room to get
Speaker 1: her foot on the ropes. So her being close to
Speaker 1: the ropes is what saved the match for her on
Speaker 1: that rose plant, so Ruka then ended up hitting the
Speaker 1: soul Snatcher. You can't feature you can't showcase this woman
Speaker 1: on a show like this and not have her use
Speaker 1: the soul snatcher, right, It's one of the best finishes
Speaker 1: I understand, like in a lot of situations. Yes, it
Speaker 1: does look very contrived, but even still, it is one
Speaker 1: of the best coolest looking finishers in all of WWE.
Speaker 1: Anybody watching Soul Ruka hit that move for the first time,
Speaker 1: especially like even a non wrestling fan, they see her
Speaker 1: hit that move instant fan, so of course she was
Speaker 1: gonna use it here. So she hits it and Bailey
Speaker 1: is like, she's kind of sitting up like she's stunned,
Speaker 1: and then she slowly falls down, but it looks like
Speaker 1: she's almost trying to roll out of the ring, and
Speaker 1: Soul grabs her and she's trying to drag her to
Speaker 1: the center of the ring and it's taking too long,
Speaker 1: and as she drags her in, I guess Bailey was
Speaker 1: playing possum because she yanked Soul in for a roll up,
Speaker 1: but then Ruka reversed it into a roll up of
Speaker 1: her own, and she got the flash Pin to win
Speaker 1: the match. So then after the match, Zari is all happy.
Speaker 1: She gets into the ring to celebrate with Soul. Lyra
Speaker 1: is comforting Bailey. I'm not sure what she's gonna do here,
Speaker 1: but she walks over and she shakes hands with Soul.
Speaker 1: Bailey had all four women hold up their arms together
Speaker 1: and they all saluted in tribute to John Cena. So
Speaker 1: this was fun. This was fun. It was the right decision.
Speaker 1: It was the right decision. And I even said in
Speaker 1: my predictions, I said, of all of the WWE against
Speaker 1: NXT matches, I had Soul Ruca coming out of this
Speaker 1: with the win. I just didn't see Oba Femi getting
Speaker 1: a clean win over the WWE champion, and I didn't
Speaker 1: see it going the way of the NXT guys in
Speaker 1: the tag match. But you can't have a show like
Speaker 1: this and not put someone over from NXT. You have
Speaker 1: to someone's got to get a win by process of elimination.
Speaker 1: That someone seemed to be sol Ruka, So that's exactly
Speaker 1: what happened here. She's another one like Oba who I
Speaker 1: think would really be a very productive addition to that
Speaker 1: SmackDown Women's I mean that SmackDown Women's Division right now
Speaker 1: is just dude, it's on life support. Like it is
Speaker 1: on life support. Okay, you see the little thing flickering.
Speaker 1: It's got a pulse, not a very strong one. It
Speaker 1: needs help. The show is going to three hours in
Speaker 1: a few weeks. You're gonna have to call up more
Speaker 1: people than just Lash Legend from NXT, sol Ruka, maybe
Speaker 1: even sol Ruka and Zaria together, Fatal influence. Jordan Grace.
Speaker 1: What she'd been doing, not much of anything lately. She's
Speaker 1: been losing a lot. These are people that would not
Speaker 1: only benefit from being and having new people to work with,
Speaker 1: but boy, that SmackDown Women's Division, that SmackDown Show could
Speaker 1: really use people like that. So soul. Oh, but these
Speaker 1: are all faces that hopefully we'll see up on Ron
Speaker 1: SmackDown in the new year. And then Bailey, I don't know.
Speaker 1: There was no indication that she was going to snap
Speaker 1: or anything like that. I guess we'll find out on Monday,
Speaker 1: you know what her reaction is to this loss. But
Speaker 1: what we got here from these two was good. You know,
Speaker 1: it was for sol Ruque. It was a very basic showcase.
Speaker 1: But I thought what they did is what they needed
Speaker 1: to do. Now. After this, they showed a bunch of
Speaker 1: other dignitaries that were at the show, including Rob van Dam.
Speaker 1: Actually it was a video with comments from Rob van Dam, Seamus,
Speaker 1: Corey Graves, Becky Lynch, Michael Hayes, stew the cameraman, Michael Cole,
Speaker 1: Cody Rhodes, the Undertaker, and the rock who dropped the
Speaker 1: video on social media earlier. Today. Didn't talk about John
Speaker 1: Cena's soul, He just put him over and talked about
Speaker 1: all their great times together, all their matches together. Michelle McCool,
Speaker 1: Mark Henry and Rob Van Dam were then shown live
Speaker 1: in the crowd. RVD is Always over RVD to the
Speaker 1: whole RVD and everybody, all nineteen thousand people in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. Did it right along with him. It's good
Speaker 1: to see he was actually able to move around and stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know he broke both of his heels
Speaker 1: earlier this year, and so he was basically incapacitated there
Speaker 1: for a while. And I don't think he's wrestled since
Speaker 1: I think he broke them. I think he was in
Speaker 1: was it like a Battle Royal in MLW, Maybe like
Speaker 1: a Battle Riot or something. I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1: But seems to be healing okay, so that's good to see.
Speaker 1: They also showed sammy' z ain. He was right there
Speaker 1: in the front row with his son, so that was cool.
Speaker 1: And then they cut to the announcers or ring side,
Speaker 1: and it was Michael Cole and Wade Barrett on commentary,
Speaker 1: and Michael Cole said he wanted to give a shout
Speaker 1: out to all of the announcers that he has had
Speaker 1: the privilege of working with over the years and calling
Speaker 1: all of these John Cena matches with, including Taz, who,
Speaker 1: of course, along with Michael Cole, called John Cena's very
Speaker 1: first match John SmackDown back in two thousand and two.
Speaker 1: Michael Cole and Taz one of the better commentary duos
Speaker 1: that that company has ever had. They're not going to
Speaker 1: be at the top of anybody's list, probably, but they
Speaker 1: were a very good team there for a while. So
Speaker 1: he shouted him out. He shouted out JBL who he
Speaker 1: said coined the phrase big match, John Corey Graves, Jim Ross,
Speaker 1: and Jerry the King Lawler. Shout out, by the way,
Speaker 1: to the twenty eight hundred people hanging with us here
Speaker 1: tonight talking about Saturday Night's main event. Get those messages
Speaker 1: on and I'm going to be reading them here in
Speaker 1: just a little bit. You have questions, comments, or anything else. Yes,
Speaker 1: did somebody say soul soul? Ruka is okay, but let's
Speaker 1: not talk about souls around the rock. I miss when
Speaker 1: wrestling commentary was loose like Taz used to be. Are
Speaker 1: you saying Taz was loose? I don't know. Maybe you
Speaker 1: know more about his background than I do. I thought
Speaker 1: he was a good announcer. I don't know beyond that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what you're referring to.
Speaker 1: But I know when brock Lesnar used to come out right,
Speaker 1: he had that signature, here comes the pain right. Taz
Speaker 1: had his little things right, and TNA was like, let
Speaker 1: them puppies loose, or let them pigeons loose. The pigeons
Speaker 1: with the beautiful people, same thing. I guess AJ Styles
Speaker 1: and Dragon Lee they are the World Tag Team Champions.
Speaker 1: This was not a title match, but they were in action.
Speaker 1: This was a completely randomly announced match on Monday, but
Speaker 1: I was okay with it because this was a match
Speaker 1: I was very much looking forward to seeing. It was
Speaker 1: AJ and Dragonly against Javon Evans, and the TNA X
Speaker 1: Division champion, Leon Slater. Evans got a good reaction coming out,
Speaker 1: less so for Leon, but it's understandable. I mean, there
Speaker 1: were a lot of people in that building who probably
Speaker 1: just didn't know who he was. If they're not watching TNA,
Speaker 1: they're not watching NXT, then you know, what do you expect.
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta give people some background on this guy.
Speaker 1: It's not like he was on Rawn SmackDown and the
Speaker 1: lead up to this match. So he got a respectful
Speaker 1: but not I wouldn't say terribly strong reaction, but this
Speaker 1: was good exposure for him. It was good exposure for TNA.
Speaker 1: They acknowledged TNA he had his X Division title with him.
Speaker 1: Evans and Slater, they didn't waste any time they wrestled
Speaker 1: this match, like they just got told, Hey, your time
Speaker 1: got cut. That's what this felt like, like, Hey, we
Speaker 1: better get off to the races. Right out of the gate,
Speaker 1: and they super kicked Lee and Styles out to the
Speaker 1: floor right away. Javon did a dive out onto aj
Speaker 1: Leon did a dive out over the ring, a twisting
Speaker 1: dive out over the ring post onto Dragon Lee. This
Speaker 1: was all in the first like thirty seconds of the
Speaker 1: match Evans and Slater. They isolated Dragon in their corner,
Speaker 1: tagged in and tagged out. They were delivering some splashes
Speaker 1: and kicks and forearms, and Dragon Lee managed to kick
Speaker 1: his way free. He pulled the top rope down to
Speaker 1: send Javon out to the floor. Slater came in. He
Speaker 1: tried to close line, but somehow Lee countered and worked
Speaker 1: into a sitout power bomb Evans and Styles. They made tags.
Speaker 1: AJ hit a leaping forearm and a neck breaker. Styles
Speaker 1: then went outside. Evans followed with a moon salt and
Speaker 1: nobody was home and Dragon Lee hit a flying rana
Speaker 1: on Slater that sent him into the waiting arms of
Speaker 1: AJ Styles. And the fans really got excited here because
Speaker 1: they thought AJ was going to give this guy a
Speaker 1: Styles clash on the floor. And meanwhile, before he could
Speaker 1: do it, he turned around and he ate the foot
Speaker 1: of Javon Evans, who caught him with a superkick right
Speaker 1: to the face. So back in the ring, Evans hit
Speaker 1: a massive og cutter from god what was it like
Speaker 1: twelve feet in the air, followed by swanton four point
Speaker 1: fifty from Slater. Slater went for the pin, Dragon Lee
Speaker 1: broke it up we got this is awesome chance here
Speaker 1: from the crowd, Lee hit a big dive out onto
Speaker 1: Evans while Slater set up Aj in the ring. Styles
Speaker 1: Though reversed it and he tried to go for a
Speaker 1: styles clash. Slater worked out of it. It led to
Speaker 1: Aj Though setting up for a phenomenal forearm on the
Speaker 1: apron and unfortunately this doesn't happen very often with AJ Styles,
Speaker 1: but he went for a phenomenal forum and he slipped.
Speaker 1: He slipped, and he fell off the top rope, and
Speaker 1: I was like, ah, this is not the night that
Speaker 1: you know AJ wants something like that to happen here, man.
Speaker 1: But I have to give credit to Leon Slater because
Speaker 1: he improvised very quickly. He improvised into a quick pin
Speaker 1: attempt only got a two count. Slater went up top
Speaker 1: Styles ended up catching him into a styles clash, and
Speaker 1: that was all she wrote. You could tell AJ Styles
Speaker 1: was pissed. He was probably fuming on the inside. He
Speaker 1: was barely like holding it together and trying not to
Speaker 1: show how angry he was just facially, but you could
Speaker 1: tell he was annoyed. But I'm sure on the inside
Speaker 1: he was fuming, especially as angry as I know, he
Speaker 1: gets like playing video games, like when he's losing, Like
Speaker 1: I remember some of those old videos on Up Up,
Speaker 1: Down Down they were playing like Madden or something, and
Speaker 1: if he was losing, he's a sore loser, like he
Speaker 1: gets angry. So I'm sure like in the course of
Speaker 1: a match, something doesn't go it's John seen as last night.
Speaker 1: This is a big spotlight, right, a big showcase here,
Speaker 1: and he fucks up. Yeah, I mean I would be
Speaker 1: upset too, but you know what, kudos to Slater though,
Speaker 1: for a quick recovery. Try to make it look like
Speaker 1: maybe it was intentional and maybe it was part of
Speaker 1: the match. I'm sure it's one of those moments where
Speaker 1: AJ is just like looking at that going men, see
Speaker 1: this is why, this is why I'm winding things down
Speaker 1: next year. The young guys were moving a million miles
Speaker 1: an hour because they were just a ball of energy
Speaker 1: out there. I'm sure they were very excited. But I
Speaker 1: do wonder if maybe they had their time cut. Again,
Speaker 1: this was not a long match. I don't even think
Speaker 1: it went a full ten minutes. So you try to
Speaker 1: fit in a lot of stuff in a relatively short
Speaker 1: period of time, and then you end up with a
Speaker 1: match like this where it's just moving at a very
Speaker 1: quick pace. You know, it's not like, Okay, we got
Speaker 1: twenty minutes, so we can pace ourselves and we can
Speaker 1: work a body part. That's not what this match was about.
Speaker 1: These guys are a bundle of energy. This is what
Speaker 1: makes them fun to watch. That's what you had on
Speaker 1: display here For what we got. I thought it was
Speaker 1: good the finish, and we forget the slit by aj
Speaker 1: the finish it kind of felt sudden again short, like, man,
Speaker 1: we could have taken this another three or four minutes,
Speaker 1: So the finish was a little anti climactic. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie, but overall I like the match and for
Speaker 1: Leon Slater, big spot for him to get. He's still
Speaker 1: under contract to TNA, so you know that's where he
Speaker 1: will be. He's there champion, but you got to think
Speaker 1: in his future probably an NXT contract. Javon evans Sky's
Speaker 1: the limit. He's still very young. He still has to
Speaker 1: like physically, he still has to fill out, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's still he's twenty one years old. Both
Speaker 1: these guys. I said the other night, I said, if
Speaker 1: you add up the ages of both Javon Evans and
Speaker 1: Leon Slater. Aj Styles is still older, so like they're
Speaker 1: very young. I don't know how old Dragon Lee is,
Speaker 1: but like they're very young, but they both have bright
Speaker 1: futures ahead of them. So after this, we had another
Speaker 1: tribute video here with comments from various people. Cain Our Truth,
Speaker 1: The Miz, Biggie, Kofi Kingston, Alexa Bliss, Logan, Paul Drew McIntyre,
Speaker 1: Sammy Zay, and Xavier Woods all thanked John Cena and
Speaker 1: video messages they came back from break. We had some
Speaker 1: long breaks in between the matches. I would rather keep
Speaker 1: them in between the matches than have them during the matches,
Speaker 1: which is the beauty of this no longer airing on NBC.
Speaker 1: Fuck NBC. These shows are a lot more tolerable this
Speaker 1: way with the commercials in between, but they are very long.
Speaker 1: But we had Joe Tessitour up at the hosting position,
Speaker 1: not with Jesse Venturi. He was with Stephanie McMahon. Stephanie
Speaker 1: McMahon is someone who played a very important role in
Speaker 1: John Cena's career. John Cena is not where he is
Speaker 1: now were it not for Stephanie McMahon. If it wasn't
Speaker 1: for Stephanie McMahon. Hearing him wrap on the back of
Speaker 1: the bus on that European tour, John Cena would not
Speaker 1: be where he is right now. John Cena would very
Speaker 1: likely not be doing Hollywood movies right now. John Cena
Speaker 1: very likely is not Peacemaker right now. That's how important
Speaker 1: a decision that was to give him the chance to
Speaker 1: go on TV and do what he was doing on
Speaker 1: the back of that bus. So she's going into the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame next year. If John Cena were to
Speaker 1: be inducted into the Hall of Fame next year, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking now he may not be, because boyd, this
Speaker 1: would have been an appropriate night to make that announcement.
Speaker 1: For a minute there at the very end, I thought
Speaker 1: Triple H was going to point to like a Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame, you know, announcement up on the tron. I
Speaker 1: thought that's what he was doing. At the end of
Speaker 1: the show. I figure, if he's going in next year,
Speaker 1: tonight would be a nice night to surprise him, you
Speaker 1: know with that announcement. But you know, surprise like, you
Speaker 1: got to clear his You got to clear it with
Speaker 1: his people first and make sure he could actually do
Speaker 1: the fucking show as busy as he is, maybe he
Speaker 1: can't do it. But I'm just saying, like Stephanie, if
Speaker 1: he was to go in any other year, Stephanie is
Speaker 1: probably someone I would have on the shortlist honestly of
Speaker 1: people who can induct him into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: She wouldn't be my top choice. I think Kurt Angle
Speaker 1: would be a better person for that, but very important
Speaker 1: part of his career. So anyway, they cut to her
Speaker 1: and Joe at the host position and she's talking, but
Speaker 1: you can see in the background in the ring somebody
Speaker 1: is standing in the ring, and then they interrupt Stephanie
Speaker 1: in mid sentence and it's the Miz. The Miz has
Speaker 1: been complaining on television for weeks now that he wanted
Speaker 1: to wrestle John Cena. He beat John Cena at WrestleMania
Speaker 1: in the main event Once upon a Time, Yes, which
Speaker 1: is true, by the way, one of the worst WrestleMania
Speaker 1: main events of all time. So he's rehashing a lot
Speaker 1: of the same stuff in the ring. Apparently he was
Speaker 1: wearing the same ring jacket that he wore he set
Speaker 1: out to the WrestleMania twenty seven main event. So he's
Speaker 1: complaining about being left out of the show. This brings
Speaker 1: out our Truth, who comes running down to the ring
Speaker 1: and he said that, you know, you stole someone's opportunity
Speaker 1: when you were playing with Nick Aldos's balls. He yeah,
Speaker 1: from the tumbler, and he presents him with a ball
Speaker 1: with someone's name in it. And the Miz opens the
Speaker 1: ball and he looks at the name and he's like,
Speaker 1: Joe Hendry, he said his name. So they play his
Speaker 1: music and guess who shows up. He's right there on
Speaker 1: the apron. Joe fucking Hendry no longer a TNA star,
Speaker 1: by the way, he is all in with WWE. He
Speaker 1: is an official WWE contracted performer, and he's on the apron.
Speaker 1: This was a nice surprise. Joe Hendry never got the
Speaker 1: match that he wanted with John seen Remember he was
Speaker 1: trying to will this match into existence at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the year. He was on Busted Open Radio openly
Speaker 1: like lobbying for this match and John Cena. He says
Speaker 1: that the rumble because they were both there. He said,
Speaker 1: John Cena told them, dude, if you want the match,
Speaker 1: you've got to you've got to manufacture it. Man, You've
Speaker 1: just gotta You've got to will it into existence. If
Speaker 1: you can make it happen, we'll do it. And he
Speaker 1: never got his match, but at least he got a
Speaker 1: spot on the show, right, at least he at least
Speaker 1: he was able to do something as part of John
Speaker 1: Cena his final show. So he shows up and Hendry
Speaker 1: ends up taking out the Mizz, lays him out with
Speaker 1: his oh gosh, what does he call his finish again?
Speaker 1: The happy ending or standing ovation? That would be a
Speaker 1: great name for a finish. That's what I call my
Speaker 1: finish whatever the standing oh. He puts the mis down
Speaker 1: with the with the standing oh. And him and Truth
Speaker 1: also did a five knuckle shuffle and tribute to John Cena,
Speaker 1: and then he waved when they played his music again,
Speaker 1: and the fans and the crowd were waving, and we
Speaker 1: got the zoom in from the camera, the hardcam on
Speaker 1: Joe Hendry and our Truth, so well, you know whatever,
Speaker 1: this was just it was some filler in between the matches,
Speaker 1: and this was fine. I was happy that Joe Hendry
Speaker 1: was able to get a spot on the show. But
Speaker 1: then after this it all came down to the main event.
Speaker 1: And this, right here is what this entire show was
Speaker 1: all about. This entire show was built around John Cena's
Speaker 1: final match. The reason you had nineteen thousand plus people
Speaker 1: in Washington, DC tonight was for this match. Right here,
Speaker 1: Gunther comes out, got his boxing RoboN. He makes his
Speaker 1: way down to the ring. Everyone's booing him right. He's
Speaker 1: just the quintessential movie villain here as we get ready
Speaker 1: for the big hero to make his entrance, and he
Speaker 1: actually steps out of the ring when John Scene is
Speaker 1: about to make his entrance out of respect. He's going
Speaker 1: to give the ring to Sina, so he exits and
Speaker 1: they milk this forever. Before they play Seena's music, they're
Speaker 1: panning the crowd. I was honestly expecting it to be
Speaker 1: a little bit louder. I mean, I think the people
Speaker 1: were just like waiting for the music to hit. So
Speaker 1: they're waiting and they're waiting, and they're waiting, and then
Speaker 1: the lights go out and then they hit Scene his
Speaker 1: music and then he gets the monstrous reaction and the
Speaker 1: trumpets and the horns they start playing and out comes
Speaker 1: John Cena from the entrance way and he's just taking
Speaker 1: it all in. He's getting, of course, the monster pop
Speaker 1: that you would expect, and he's looking at Stew the cameraman.
Speaker 1: He takes the camera from Stew and he kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, pans around with the camera for a little
Speaker 1: bit and gives it back to Stu and he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, here we go. You're ready for one last run.
Speaker 1: As a very narrow aisleway too, it wasn't a lot
Speaker 1: of room to maneuver. I kind of like it actually
Speaker 1: when they bring it in a little bit more. That's
Speaker 1: the way it used to be. Fans can reach out,
Speaker 1: they could touch the people. Maybe these days that's a
Speaker 1: bad idea. But anyway, he goes running down to the
Speaker 1: ring and the fans were cheering so loudly and for
Speaker 1: so long. They actually looped his music twice because what
Speaker 1: happened was he got into the ring and he's posing,
Speaker 1: and then he sees a bunch of people sitting in
Speaker 1: the front row. So he goes outside and he's either
Speaker 1: shaking hands or hugging Tris Stratis Eve Torres. I saw
Speaker 1: fucking Haku is there, Fucking mang is in the crowd.
Speaker 1: Kevin Owens was there, Sammy Zain was there. They weren't
Speaker 1: sitting next to each other. But Owens, by the way,
Speaker 1: is going to be one of the coaches on the
Speaker 1: new season of LFG. Apparently Kevin Owens and Natalia have
Speaker 1: replaced I think they've replaced Undertaker and Michelle McCool. You know,
Speaker 1: you know Undertaker co hosts a podcast. It's well the
Speaker 1: Michelle McCool Podcast starring Mark Halloway. So they have that
Speaker 1: gig going. But apparently they're not going to be on
Speaker 1: LFG anymore. So who else was in the front row?
Speaker 1: Booker t was there, Nick conn was there, so just
Speaker 1: a bunch of p o. Elias was there. I guess
Speaker 1: now he's Elijah in TNA. Yes, I don't forget Elias.
Speaker 1: I know, I know Sina worked with him at Wrestlemannia
Speaker 1: thirty five. They didn't do a match, they did a segment.
Speaker 1: I was there, I know, I remember it. He came
Speaker 1: out as a doctor of thagonomics. So yes, Elias was
Speaker 1: there as well. So Lillian Garcia was able to get
Speaker 1: the privilege here of doing the final ring introduction here
Speaker 1: for John Cena, she introduces Gunther, everybody booze. She goes
Speaker 1: through the whole announcement here for John Cena, the final announcement,
Speaker 1: and then it was time for the final match and
Speaker 1: John Cena's final match begins with a collar elbow tie
Speaker 1: up into a stalemate. Gunther had asshole chance that were
Speaker 1: directed at him, followed by fuck you Gunther chance multiple
Speaker 1: times throughout this match, which were censored by Peacock, So
Speaker 1: that kind of sucked. And then the chops began. Now
Speaker 1: he's getting you tapped out chance, and I'm like, you
Speaker 1: tapped out chance? Mega. They still talking about WrestleMania, and
Speaker 1: then Michael Cole says, oh, and get you tapped out
Speaker 1: chance for tapping out to jay Usso at WrestleMania. I go, man,
Speaker 1: this guy's never gonna live this down. Is he tapping
Speaker 1: out to jay Usso? Is going to haunt this man
Speaker 1: until the day that he retires. So Gunther hit a
Speaker 1: hard Irish whip into the corner, and at this point
Speaker 1: he's just toying with Sina, He's basically having his way
Speaker 1: with him. Sina, though, catches a chot that Gunther throws
Speaker 1: at him and he starts his comeback. We got the
Speaker 1: shoulder tackle, we got a second one. He drops gun
Speaker 1: There here comes the you can't see me hits the
Speaker 1: five knuckle shuffle. I'm like, man, we're going straight to
Speaker 1: final jeopardy. Here we're not wasting any time. So here
Speaker 1: comes the attitude adjustment. Gunher easily slips out and he
Speaker 1: counters into a German suplex and off the ropes with
Speaker 1: a hard clothes line takes down Sina. So now he
Speaker 1: locks in the sleeper holes. Sina, though, quickly counters out
Speaker 1: of it into the STFU and he's got it applied
Speaker 1: in the center of the ring. Gun Through, though is
Speaker 1: inching closer to the ropes. Sina goes to drag him
Speaker 1: back to the center. Gun Ther though kicks him away
Speaker 1: and then he gets up and he hits a shotgun
Speaker 1: drop kick and Gunther drops him then with a power bomb.
Speaker 1: So he tells the referee Chad Patten, ask him if
Speaker 1: he gives up, So then we get more fuck you
Speaker 1: Gunther chance, he drops Sena with another vicious clothes line,
Speaker 1: and again he goes over to the referee. He goes
Speaker 1: ask him if he gives up, and then another clothes line,
Speaker 1: ask him if he gives up? And I go when
Speaker 1: did this turn into an I quit match? What are
Speaker 1: we doing here? After every close line, he's asking the
Speaker 1: referee to ask Sena if he gives up? What you know,
Speaker 1: the only thing that would have been worse than what
Speaker 1: they did here at the end of this match is
Speaker 1: actually having John Cena go ahead and give up on
Speaker 1: one of these clothes lines. That would have been that
Speaker 1: would have been incredible. John Cen is like, you know what,
Speaker 1: fuck this, I don't need this shit anymore. I'm the peacemaker,
Speaker 1: damn it. I give up and just roll out of
Speaker 1: the ring and just get in his car and drive off.
Speaker 1: That's the only finish that would have been worse than
Speaker 1: the one they did here at the end of this show.
Speaker 1: But this is where it started to get repetitive, because
Speaker 1: he got up another clothes line. He got up another
Speaker 1: clothes line. They were like five or six of them here,
Speaker 1: So then there was another clothes line, and he says,
Speaker 1: ask him, so now we got chance of super Sena.
Speaker 1: Sena ducks another closed line attempt, hits back to back
Speaker 1: shoulder tackles and again and he drops Gunther and here
Speaker 1: we go again. You can't see me five knuckle shuffle.
Speaker 1: We're already repeating spots that happened only five minutes earlier
Speaker 1: here in this match. So we go through the whole
Speaker 1: sequence all over again and this time the attitude adjustment
Speaker 1: connects and he covers for the wind, but Gunther kicks
Speaker 1: at it tudo, So now Sena is looking for another
Speaker 1: attitude adjustment. Gun Thro though, slips out and he delivers
Speaker 1: a hard shot right to the back of the neck.
Speaker 1: And now he's got Sena down on the mat in
Speaker 1: the sleeper hole, and he's got the body scissors applied.
Speaker 1: Oh this is not good. This is not good. He's
Speaker 1: got the body scissors. Sina, though, gets out of it.
Speaker 1: He gets his own sleeper replied and down on the mat.
Speaker 1: He's got the body scissors, just like jay Uso did
Speaker 1: to him at WrestleMania. But Gunther he's got those long legs,
Speaker 1: so he's able to get a rope break out of it.
Speaker 1: Gunther rolls out to the floor and Sina follows him out,
Speaker 1: but he eats a chop and then he takes a
Speaker 1: back suplex on the the apron. Gunther just picks him
Speaker 1: up and dumps him. On the apron, Gunther sends him
Speaker 1: into the ring steps right he goes careening into the steps,
Speaker 1: So now Gunther rolls back into the ring. He exits
Speaker 1: on the opposite side of the ring over on the
Speaker 1: announcer side, and he grabs those steps and he drags
Speaker 1: them over next to the announced desk. By this point,
Speaker 1: Sena has basically kind of crawled his way over, so
Speaker 1: now he's on that same side, and Gunther climbs up
Speaker 1: on top of the ring steps. He's looking out through
Speaker 1: the crowd. He's basically like up yours, so he climbs
Speaker 1: back down the stairs. He drags Sena over to the steps,
Speaker 1: and he clears off the announced desk. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: get one last announced table bump for John Cena here
Speaker 1: before he rides off into the sunset. Gunther is setting
Speaker 1: up like he's gonna power bomb him from the ring
Speaker 1: steps through the desk. He never even really gets him
Speaker 1: in position though for the power before Sena hoists him
Speaker 1: up onto his shoulders and John Sena delivers an attitude
Speaker 1: adjustment to Gunther through the announced desk and the desk collapses.
Speaker 1: So that was the big table bump here in this match.
Speaker 1: Sina puts Gunther back in the ring after a bit,
Speaker 1: he covers him. Gunther kicks out, so then Sena heads
Speaker 1: up top. He hits the top rope leg drop. I
Speaker 1: guess that would be considered the vintage Sena right, as
Speaker 1: Michael Cole would say, right, old school Sena. So he
Speaker 1: hits the leg slice right across the neck, he covers,
Speaker 1: Gunther kicks out, So that got him chance of you
Speaker 1: still got it? So Sena looks out to the crowd
Speaker 1: and he asks the crowd, do you have one more
Speaker 1: left in you? One more? You can't see me. He goes,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the last one. So the crowd
Speaker 1: wait for it, and they wait for it, and they
Speaker 1: do it one last time. He does that, you can't
Speaker 1: see me. Sena hits the ropes though, but guntherer. When
Speaker 1: he hits the ropes, gun Thro springs right back up
Speaker 1: to his feet and he drops him with a big boot,
Speaker 1: picks him right up, hits a power bomb with the stack.
Speaker 1: Gotta get the stack. Scena kicks out, so Gunther heads
Speaker 1: up top. He's going for that splash. Sena, though, cuts
Speaker 1: him off with an uppercut. Seena climbs to the middle
Speaker 1: rope and he gets gun through on his shoulders and
Speaker 1: he looks out of the crowd and he smirks, and
Speaker 1: he hits an avalanche attitude adjustment or, as Michael Cole said,
Speaker 1: avalanche Fu drops gun through all the way down. He covers,
Speaker 1: Gunther kicks out, and the people can't believe it. So
Speaker 1: now both men get back up and we get the
Speaker 1: ya boo exchange here between them. Sena with an uppercut,
Speaker 1: drops gun through to his knees, but he fires right back.
Speaker 1: Sena gets him up for another AA gun through though
Speaker 1: counters out into a power bomb, and now gun Thro
Speaker 1: is headed back up and he hits the big splash.
Speaker 1: And I will say there's one thing I have criticized
Speaker 1: recently as far as Gunther goes. I'm a big Gunther fan,
Speaker 1: but his splashes more often than not look like shit,
Speaker 1: like his knees end up hitting the mat before his
Speaker 1: body does. This one was maybe the best splash I've
Speaker 1: seen him hit, like he just came crashing down on
Speaker 1: Sena with all of his body weight. So he hits
Speaker 1: the splash. Scena kicks out, so the crowd is trying
Speaker 1: to will Scena back up with super Sena chance, which
Speaker 1: would have been unheard of, by the way, fifteen years
Speaker 1: Can you imagine these fucking fans fifteen years ago, Like
Speaker 1: when Sena was burying the Nexus, you imagine the fans
Speaker 1: chanting for Supersena back then, like you just wouldn't have
Speaker 1: heard it. But now they're just they're willing Supersena. They
Speaker 1: want to wake up Supersena and see him one more time.
Speaker 1: So Gunther again gets the sleeper, replied Sena. Though he's
Speaker 1: still standing. He's standing, but he's fading now he's down
Speaker 1: to one knee, but he powers back up. He breaks
Speaker 1: the hold, or he's in the process of breaking the hole,
Speaker 1: but nope, Gunher gets it back applied, and now he's
Speaker 1: got seen it down on the mat, but Seeing is
Speaker 1: back to his knees. Now now he's back to his feet.
Speaker 1: He powers out, but again Gunher gets the sleeper, replied.
Speaker 1: Back down to the mat they go, but nope, Seen
Speaker 1: is back up to his feet again, and so now
Speaker 1: Gunher jumps on Seeing his back. So he's got all
Speaker 1: of his weight now on his back. Sena drives Gunther
Speaker 1: backwards though into the corner to break the hold, but
Speaker 1: then Gunher reapplies it again. Back down to the mat
Speaker 1: they go. Things are looking very bleak, so he fights
Speaker 1: back to his feet again again. Seena falls backwards into
Speaker 1: the corner to break the hold and then he scoops
Speaker 1: up gun Through on his shoulders. He delivers another attitude adjustment.
Speaker 1: Gunher kicks out, and not only does Gunther kick out,
Speaker 1: but almost immediately after he kicks out, he sits up
Speaker 1: and grabs scene from behind and puts him back in
Speaker 1: the sleeper hold. You have nineteen thousand fans in this
Speaker 1: building who were chanting, don't give up, don't give up.
Speaker 1: At John Cena, Sena looks like he's out, and at
Speaker 1: this point, I'm thinking, okay, they're gonna go with the
Speaker 1: finish where he passed out, right, which I think Goldberg
Speaker 1: tapped out. Did Goldberg tap out to him or Goldberg win?
Speaker 1: I think Goldberg tapped out to him. But I'm thinking, okay,
Speaker 1: it's basically you know this all over again. He's gonna
Speaker 1: pass out and they're gonna give the win to Gunther,
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of, you know, resigned to it. The
Speaker 1: referee picks up Seena's arm and his arm drops once,
Speaker 1: and then instead of calling for the bell, he goes
Speaker 1: to pick up his arm again. Now that's the way
Speaker 1: it used to be done all the time, like back
Speaker 1: in the Hogan era, right, you pick the arm up
Speaker 1: once it drops. He picked the arm up twice, and
Speaker 1: then the third time, Oh this the arm is still up.
Speaker 1: And again I feel like ever since we kind of
Speaker 1: went into this reality era, and ever since like tapouts
Speaker 1: became a thing and you had more of like an
Speaker 1: mma influence on pro wrestling. You don't do that right
Speaker 1: because in a fight, if somebody went out first of all,
Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't be picking their fucking arm up anyway,
Speaker 1: but you would pick up their arm. If their arm
Speaker 1: went down, that's it. They're out cold, right, you gotta
Speaker 1: call it off. They don't really do it this way anymore.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was a little strange that they
Speaker 1: kind of reverted back to the old school way of
Speaker 1: doing this. So the arm drops once, referee says one,
Speaker 1: we got another one to come, he picks up, seen
Speaker 1: his arm again. Seen his arm goes limp. He picks
Speaker 1: up the arm for a third time, and John Cena
Speaker 1: gives the like the okay sign. Right, hopefully that's all
Speaker 1: it is. But now Gunther starts raining the anvil elbows down,
Speaker 1: elbow after elbow after elbow, you know, down onto sina
Speaker 1: and again he goes right back to the sleeper hole.
Speaker 1: And at this point John Cena is not going out.
Speaker 1: John Cena is sitting there and he's got a look
Speaker 1: on his face like, you know what, I can't wait
Speaker 1: to get back to my hotel room tonight. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have myself a nice hamburger when I get back to
Speaker 1: my room. Boy, I can't wait. Now he's looking out
Speaker 1: to the crowd at somebody again, maybe it was his wife,
Speaker 1: I don't know, or just his friends and family, and
Speaker 1: he looks at peace with himself. He smiles and he
Speaker 1: goes like this, and he just like the most half
Speaker 1: hearted tap out that you will ever see. After all
Speaker 1: the years that John Cena said, never give up, never
Speaker 1: give up, right, and he never tapped out to anybody,
Speaker 1: the day finally comes that this man taps out, and
Speaker 1: this is what he does with a smile on his face.
Speaker 1: After telling people to never give up. It looked like
Speaker 1: he had no interest in even fighting it anymore. He
Speaker 1: was just like, yeah, okay, I'm done. And how do
Speaker 1: you expect people to not be underwhelmed by that finish?
Speaker 1: You actually think that that's an acceptable finish to this
Speaker 1: man's fucking career, Like, I'm blown away by people. Don't
Speaker 1: understand why other people would be upset not even necessarily
Speaker 1: about the fact that scene A lost in his final match,
Speaker 1: which you would almost expect, but the way in which
Speaker 1: he lost, how can anybody be okay with that? How
Speaker 1: can anybody look at that and go, man, that was
Speaker 1: the perfect finish? May I want a storybook ending finish
Speaker 1: for this guy? That was a completely horrid way for
Speaker 1: this match to end. That was a terrible finish. But
Speaker 1: they got the moment they wanted because you know what,
Speaker 1: they cut to the crowd and everybody had a shocked
Speaker 1: expression on their face, and that's why they did it.
Speaker 1: They wanted their Undertaker moment from wrestle Mania thirty, and
Speaker 1: that's what they got. This was the closest that we
Speaker 1: have ever gotten, okay since wrestle Mania thirty to any
Speaker 1: kind of crawd reaction like this. I'm trying to think,
Speaker 1: like even SummerSlam that year when Brock squashed Sena, it
Speaker 1: was kind of similar, but not really not quite on
Speaker 1: that level. Right, People were shocked by Sena being destroyed,
Speaker 1: thoroughly destroyed by Brock Lesnar and at the time it
Speaker 1: was like such a novel thing, like, holy shit, I
Speaker 1: can't believe what we just saw. Like that was actually
Speaker 1: a great match, and then they tried to replicate it
Speaker 1: this year, and of course it was shit. But as
Speaker 1: far as the finish here, people were stunned. They were
Speaker 1: wide eyed. They cut the kids, little kids in the
Speaker 1: crowd like tears welling up in their eyes. They can't
Speaker 1: believe what they've just seen. It's like fucking you know,
Speaker 1: Doomsday killing Batman or Superman not Batman. I got, I
Speaker 1: got my characters mixed up, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean that's basically what this was here. And Gunther
Speaker 1: is like, oh he tapped out, I went and they
Speaker 1: raised his hand and he was out of the ring,
Speaker 1: you know, very quickly after that. But immediately the crowd
Speaker 1: they go from utter shock to just discussed and anger
Speaker 1: very quickly. And when Sina sits up and the camera
Speaker 1: zoomed in on his face, you hear the chance of
Speaker 1: bullshit rain out throughout the Capitol One arena, and Sina
Speaker 1: had a look on his face like come on, you know,
Speaker 1: like give me a break, like you weren't expecting chance
Speaker 1: like this. It's the first thing he should have expected.
Speaker 1: What else did you expect? The chance of bullshit rained
Speaker 1: down upon john sena rained down upon the ring, gun
Speaker 1: through I think by this point was already gone, and
Speaker 1: Sena is standing in the ring. He's thanking everyone. He's saying,
Speaker 1: that's all I got, That's all I got. Here comes
Speaker 1: Triple H and Sewn Michaels and Stephanie McMahon and Cody
Speaker 1: Rhodes and cm Punk and the Undertaker and Bruce Pritchard
Speaker 1: and all the producers and the rest of the roster.
Speaker 1: And as soon as people saw Triple H coming down
Speaker 1: to the ring, it all became about him, because now
Speaker 1: we have fuck Triple H. You can hear somebody in
Speaker 1: the crab at least one guy fucked Triple H. And
Speaker 1: then of course you fucked up. You fucked up just
Speaker 1: raining down upon these men, and Triple H, of course
Speaker 1: has a big smile on his face because I'm sure
Speaker 1: he finds this all very hilarious. Cody and Punk get
Speaker 1: in the ring and they present their championship belts ceremoniously
Speaker 1: to John Cena. For him to have one on each
Speaker 1: shoulder scene is like trying to refuse that. They're like, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: So they give him their championships and they retreat to
Speaker 1: the corner and we have a shot of John Seene
Speaker 1: to the World Heavyweight Championship on one shoulder the WWE
Speaker 1: Championship on the other, you know, and the fans are
Speaker 1: respectfully cheering for Seea, but they're still not happy and
Speaker 1: they are smarting over the decision to end this match
Speaker 1: the way that they did. So Scene is playing to
Speaker 1: the crowd. He goes, I'm waiting for it right because
Speaker 1: Triple H is in one of the corners, He's on
Speaker 1: the apron right, and Scene is playing to the crowd
Speaker 1: of one corner with the belts and they cheer, and
Speaker 1: then he plays to the other corner and they cheer,
Speaker 1: and then he turns around and he sees Triple H
Speaker 1: in the other corner, and he walks over and as
Speaker 1: soon as the crowd realizes he's going over to Triple
Speaker 1: H's corner, the booze rained down upon them, and Triple
Speaker 1: H got a big smile on his face. He finds
Speaker 1: this so fucking funny, and they're just booing the shit
Speaker 1: out of him, deservedly so, because he had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to put together a finish here, one of two finishes,
Speaker 1: One of two finishes. John Cena wins after a just
Speaker 1: you know, the battle of a lifetime here where Gunther
Speaker 1: beat this man within an inch of his fucking life,
Speaker 1: but he pulls it out in the end like Rocky
Speaker 1: in one of those dramatic fights in the movies. Right,
Speaker 1: and John Cena gets to go out. He may be
Speaker 1: beaten and battered, but he gets to go out on top.
Speaker 1: He gets to go out a winner, right after losing
Speaker 1: many matches. It's not like he went undefeated on this tour.
Speaker 1: It's not like Tony Kahan keeping sting undefeated his entire career.
Speaker 1: In aaw He won some, he lost some, but he
Speaker 1: gets to go out a winner, and you give the
Speaker 1: fans that happy moment as he rides off into the
Speaker 1: sunset because he did the one thing that he promised
Speaker 1: you that he would never do. He never gave up. Right,
Speaker 1: you could have done that, perfect world, he would have
Speaker 1: done that. I understand it, though I understand Gunther winning. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm a Gunther fan, and I understand that tomorrow morning,
Speaker 1: John Cena is going to be somewhere else and Gunther
Speaker 1: is going to still be working in WWE, and guntherro
Speaker 1: is probably going to be wrestling brock Lesner. If I
Speaker 1: had to venture a guest at WrestleMania. So now you
Speaker 1: can do the battle of the two men who beat
Speaker 1: John Cena on his way out right, I guess that'll
Speaker 1: be the story. So I don't have an issue with
Speaker 1: that so much, but if you do it, you gotta
Speaker 1: have John Cena stay true to his convictions. He is
Speaker 1: trying everything to get out of this sleeperhold and gum
Speaker 1: Through is relentless. He keeps reapplying it. He's got the
Speaker 1: body scissors. They're in the middle of the ring. There's
Speaker 1: nowhere for John Cena to go. He's tried everything with
Speaker 1: this man and it does not work. And the fans
Speaker 1: are saying, please, don't give up, don't give up, don't
Speaker 1: give up. And you know when John Cena, when the
Speaker 1: arm was dropping and he flashed the OK sign and
Speaker 1: everybody cheered. You know what, that would have been an
Speaker 1: appropriate finish if you would have flashed that sign and
Speaker 1: then he would have went limp and the referee would
Speaker 1: have called the match off and the fans would have
Speaker 1: been upset. But I don't think they would have been
Speaker 1: as upset as they were. That's the thing. It's the
Speaker 1: way in which they did the finish that I think
Speaker 1: just did such a disservice to Sena and that character
Speaker 1: and everything that it represented for so many years. And
Speaker 1: by the way, this goes for John Cena, if it
Speaker 1: was his idea, you know, maybe it was Triple H's idea,
Speaker 1: Maybe it was John Cena's idea. So good for him.
Speaker 1: If it was, he got to go out the way
Speaker 1: that he wanted. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it
Speaker 1: was still the right way to go out. That was
Speaker 1: the right way maybe in his mind for him to
Speaker 1: go out, but there's a lot of people out there
Speaker 1: who were going to look at that and go, man,
Speaker 1: that is not the way that John Cena should have
Speaker 1: gone out. John Cena should go out fighting until the
Speaker 1: very end. And that little weak tap out and that
Speaker 1: resigned smile on his face where it's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm just gonna go like this, this
Speaker 1: is this is how I'm gonna end it. I'll just
Speaker 1: give it to the guy. I'm not really struggling. It
Speaker 1: almost looked like he could get out of the hole
Speaker 1: at any moment if he wanted to. But it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm done, I'm done here. I don't
Speaker 1: know maybe I'm crazy, maybe I'm out of my mind,
Speaker 1: but I just thought that finish was lame, ash shit.
Speaker 1: I really did. But then Triple H is like, look,
Speaker 1: look up, it's not Batman, but there's a screen, right,
Speaker 1: not even like the titantron or anything, one of the
Speaker 1: arena screens and he points, seeing his attention up to
Speaker 1: the screen. This is where I thought maybe they were
Speaker 1: gonna have some sort of like Hall of Fame video announcement,
Speaker 1: and instead it was just it was a very well produced,
Speaker 1: very nice video that was recapping seen his career. It
Speaker 1: had comments from his mother, you know, his parents, his contemporaries,
Speaker 1: and you had John Cena in picture and picture while
Speaker 1: he was watching the video, and his expression never really changed,
Speaker 1: but he was you could tell he was very emotional.
Speaker 1: Sena is usually an android robot, Okay, he doesn't really
Speaker 1: show emotion. In this case, his eyes were getting all
Speaker 1: glassy and he was actually, you know, like your career
Speaker 1: is overdude, Like it's okay for you to show a
Speaker 1: little bit of actually human emotion here, and he was.
Speaker 1: So it was. It was a very nice video. They
Speaker 1: actually included it was an old interview, but they actually
Speaker 1: included a clip of Vince McMahon making comments of a
Speaker 1: John Cena, So I guess he made the show after all.
Speaker 1: So when it was over, Sena, I thought, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get a speech, even even if just a few comments.
Speaker 1: Even Goldberg got to make some comments before they fucking
Speaker 1: cut him off. On NBC, everyone was like, Oh, I'll
Speaker 1: bet John cenic gas all the time in the world
Speaker 1: for a retirement speech. Didn't give Goldberg anything. He didn't
Speaker 1: even make a speech. He looked like he couldn't wait
Speaker 1: to get out of there. But before he left, he
Speaker 1: went ahead and he stepped out of his sneakers, so
Speaker 1: we saw the you can't see me socks that he
Speaker 1: was wearing, which I'm sure are on sale right now
Speaker 1: at wweshop dot com. Stepped out of his sneakers, he
Speaker 1: laid his wristbands on the mat next to them. He
Speaker 1: left the ring. He didn't interact with anybody. He just
Speaker 1: walked right past all the wrestlers and everybody around the ring,
Speaker 1: and he went right down the aisle. He stopped when
Speaker 1: he got to the entranceway and he looks and they
Speaker 1: have a camera now that's above the entrance way, so
Speaker 1: he's just looking up into the camera and then he's
Speaker 1: looking around, you know, the entire building. He turns around,
Speaker 1: he takes a bow, one final bow, and he salutes
Speaker 1: and he says, it's been a pleasure serving you all
Speaker 1: these years. Thank you. And at that point he turns
Speaker 1: around and he leaves, and that was it. They faded
Speaker 1: out and that was the end of the presentation and
Speaker 1: so ends the career of John Cena. The fans were
Speaker 1: clearly not very happy about how things went down there
Speaker 1: at the end. The match itself, they had a good match.
Speaker 1: It was not the best John Cena match of this year.
Speaker 1: It was not the best Gunther match of this year.
Speaker 1: There was you know, you had the dramatic near falls
Speaker 1: that you would have expected. The match in many spots
Speaker 1: was more repetitive than I would have liked. But I
Speaker 1: thought they basically had the match. I figured they were
Speaker 1: going to have, you know, more or less. So it'll
Speaker 1: be a matter of taste against some people. They just
Speaker 1: don't like Gunther matches and they don't like him As
Speaker 1: John Cena's final opponent. I feel like he was the
Speaker 1: perfect final opponent for him. I didn't have an issue
Speaker 1: with that. So the finish doesn't mar the rest of
Speaker 1: the match. I'm not saying the entire thing was terrible.
Speaker 1: The whole thing was garbage. It wasn't. It was a
Speaker 1: good match that, in my opinion, was just it had
Speaker 1: the wrong finish and you only get one shot at
Speaker 1: it because it's the guy's retirement match. You don't get
Speaker 1: a redo on this. Like I take him at his
Speaker 1: word when he says that I'm done, I'm never coming
Speaker 1: back to the ring. I cannot go back on my word.
Speaker 1: You had one shot at this, just like you had
Speaker 1: one shot at a retirement tour Triple H had. Remember
Speaker 1: WWE Unreal at the beginning of the year. Season two
Speaker 1: is coming, by the way next month. What episode was it?
Speaker 1: Episode four? Whichever one was about the scene of heel Turn.
Speaker 1: Pretty sure it was episode four. I think episode three
Speaker 1: was like Chelsea Green and the Women, But when they
Speaker 1: covered Johnsena's heel Turn, there was a clip from one
Speaker 1: of the shows of Sena and and maybe it was
Speaker 1: Elimination Chamber seen it in Triple H ringside hours before
Speaker 1: the show, and I'm paraphrasing here, but it was something
Speaker 1: like boy and maybe it was about the retirement tour itself,
Speaker 1: So maybe it was earlier than the chamber. But boy,
Speaker 1: we'd really have to fuck this up to mess up
Speaker 1: this retirement tour, right, That's what Triple H said to SCENEA,
Speaker 1: and Scene is like well yeah, or Triple H was like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, it could happen. It could happen. Oh
Speaker 1: it kind of happened. Not completely, but you know, it
Speaker 1: kind of happened. There were ebbs and flows to this
Speaker 1: retirement tour. For every great moment, like the one we
Speaker 1: had with Punkin Sena in the elimination chamber, for the
Speaker 1: heel turn itself, which in a vacuum. If you just
Speaker 1: look at the heel turn in Toronto on its own,
Speaker 1: it's one of the greatest heel turns in the history
Speaker 1: of wrestling. When you take context into account and what followed,
Speaker 1: it is one of the worst heel turns in the
Speaker 1: history of wrestling. I want you to think about that.
Speaker 1: I want you to think about how that's possible. How
Speaker 1: can you have one of the best heel turns in
Speaker 1: wrestling history also be one of the worst heel turns
Speaker 1: in wrestling history. Oh it happened. That's the John Cena
Speaker 1: heel turn in a nutshell. But for all the good
Speaker 1: stuff we got. We had one of the worst WrestleMania
Speaker 1: main events or main event endings you'll ever see. We
Speaker 1: had an ill conceived heel turn for which there was
Speaker 1: no real long term plan for it. It was about
Speaker 1: the moments. It was about going viral, It was about
Speaker 1: creating a buzz. It was about selling more tickets so
Speaker 1: we could advertise the rock for the Elimination Chamber. These
Speaker 1: are the things that happened. These are the decisions that
Speaker 1: were made along the way that really marred parts of
Speaker 1: John Cena's retirement tour. When this things should have been
Speaker 1: mapped out from day one. This is the most important
Speaker 1: person in this company, maybe one of the most important
Speaker 1: people in the history of this company. We're gonna take
Speaker 1: great pains to make sure that we storyboard the fucking
Speaker 1: shit out of this. So we map out every single
Speaker 1: fucking thing that we are gonna do with this guy
Speaker 1: so that we could give him the best possible sense
Speaker 1: send off that we possibly can. That should have been
Speaker 1: the idea behind it. Not saying that there aren't times
Speaker 1: where it's okay to pivot and go this way instead
Speaker 1: of that way, but when you're just constantly pivoting along
Speaker 1: the way. That's what happens. That's what you end up
Speaker 1: with once they turn seeing a back babyface. Right. We
Speaker 1: got a lot of good moments out of that. We
Speaker 1: got some good matches, We got some good moments, so
Speaker 1: it wasn't all bad. But I was really hoping coming
Speaker 1: into this that it's about how you start and how
Speaker 1: you end. If you start hot and you finish hot,
Speaker 1: you know what, I think people will be more forgiving.
Speaker 1: And it started off pretty good. Although people will be
Speaker 1: upset that Jay Usso won the Royal Rumble in that
Speaker 1: John Cena, but honestly, that was one of the better
Speaker 1: rumbles they've done in many years. So they started off
Speaker 1: well enough, and I was hoping that they would close strong,
Speaker 1: and they really didn't. I think they made the wrong
Speaker 1: decision tonight. And so sure, Gunther is gonna now come
Speaker 1: out and gloat about the fact that he's the first
Speaker 1: man in twenty years. Of course they'll say the first
Speaker 1: man ever, which is not true. But the first man
Speaker 1: in twenty years to make John Cena tap out and
Speaker 1: to make John Cena give up, and that's gonna be
Speaker 1: his new gimmick now. But honestly, does it really like
Speaker 1: it had Gunther not done that right, had he won
Speaker 1: in any other way, does it really make a difference.
Speaker 1: He still gets to go out there and say that
Speaker 1: I'm the man who retired John Cena, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like you still could have given the fans
Speaker 1: a better ending and kept Gunther looking strong. You could
Speaker 1: have had your cake and eat it too. You could
Speaker 1: have had it both ways, and they just decided, no, no,
Speaker 1: we're not going to do that. We're gonna do it
Speaker 1: our way. We're gonna say fuck you, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: like it because that's the way it's done. So it
Speaker 1: made for a shitty ending to the show. Everything just
Speaker 1: felt off after that finish. The way Sena was acting
Speaker 1: in the ring, the crowd reaction, everything was off. Everything
Speaker 1: was off. You could really enjoy the moment, and again
Speaker 1: it was very curious not having him or him making
Speaker 1: the decision himself. I guess not to address the audience,
Speaker 1: Like if I had paid a lot of money to
Speaker 1: go to the show, I would be very upset over
Speaker 1: that finish, right, finish being the way the show ended.
Speaker 1: To get that finish, and then not even have Seena
Speaker 1: address the crowd and just leave and walk out was
Speaker 1: very underwhelming, very underwhelming, But of course it doesn't take
Speaker 1: away from his overall body of work and all of
Speaker 1: the great things that he did in his career. And
Speaker 1: I know a lot of the people watching this right
Speaker 1: now probably became wrestling fans during the era that John
Speaker 1: Cena was on top, or you grew up with John Cena.
Speaker 1: He was your guy, and so it's a big deal
Speaker 1: to you the fact that he's no longer going to
Speaker 1: be an active wrestler. And you know, maybe you were
Speaker 1: crying your little eyes out tonight or whatever, and that's fine,
Speaker 1: you know, that's fine. I'm sure tonight was a very
Speaker 1: emotional thing for a lot of fans. But I still
Speaker 1: say that the finish, the finish left a lot to
Speaker 1: be desired. Let's just say that. Let's take a look
Speaker 1: at what the poll results say. What did you think
Speaker 1: of Saturday Night's main event and John Cena's final match.
Speaker 1: Fifty nine percent thumbs up for tonight's show, forty one
Speaker 1: percent thumbs down, So very split, more positive than negative,
Speaker 1: but a very split poll result so far. And we
Speaker 1: are approaching three thousand votes in the poll. Again. You know,
Speaker 1: sometimes you just got to do what's right for the
Speaker 1: crowd for the moment, and they dropped the ball tonight,
Speaker 1: they really did. They dropped the ball with it. I'll
Speaker 1: debate anybody on that, oh man. But hey, Gunther now
Speaker 1: gets to go around to be the destroyer, right. He's
Speaker 1: gonna end a whole bunch of careers. There's probably two
Speaker 1: or three different people who are going to have their
Speaker 1: retirement matches in twenty twenty six. He may end up
Speaker 1: beating all of them, which makes it awfully predictable, doesn't
Speaker 1: it He ends up wrestling aj Styles or Chris Jericho.
Speaker 1: We kind of already know how it's going to go. Uh, Glizzie, Bob,
Speaker 1: We'll start with Gizzie says. Drew's character has become such
Speaker 1: a cry baby loser that I don't even want to
Speaker 1: see him win the belt anymore. Sad that it got
Speaker 1: to this point. Hey, you know what, Drew McIntyre is
Speaker 1: another example of this La Knight. I mean, we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens, but La Knight may end up being another example.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh no, no, we got big plans for
Speaker 1: all these guys. You just gotta let it play out.
Speaker 1: You just gotta let it play out. Man, This is
Speaker 1: gonna be the greatest payoff in wrestling history, and we
Speaker 1: get all these great payoffs for La Knight and Drew
Speaker 1: McIntyre and this guy and that guy. Man, I can't wait,
Speaker 1: Irenzo says Cody, Why so serious? Roads, Bass Beers just
Speaker 1: says boo See they were chanting boo uns, boo uns,
Speaker 1: That's what they were chanting. At the end of the show.
Speaker 1: Venim Catetzi says, enjoy the ride. Shut your mouth and
Speaker 1: enjoy the ride that the rock is taking you on.
Speaker 1: Wink the Cosmic Grandma says why, bro, just why. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Man, I don't know, But you're gonna have
Speaker 1: people defending it until their dying breath. They'll call it cinema.
Speaker 1: That's the word they love to use for this stuff.
Speaker 1: It's cinema. The Winston slip. So, what's your favorite kind
Speaker 1: of soup? Chicken noodle? By far? Bass Beer says triple
Speaker 1: h You fed up? Holiday one ninety seven says hey Solo.
Speaker 1: Gunther gave Sena a good retirement match until that ending
Speaker 1: way to tarnish seen his legacy by making him tap
Speaker 1: out and give up. If it was seen his idea,
Speaker 1: then I don't know what he was thinking, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I think he's just mentally
Speaker 1: checked out anyway, he knows he's done, and he just
Speaker 1: he doesn't care. You want me to tap out to
Speaker 1: this guy, Fine, I'll tap out to this guy. I'll
Speaker 1: do whatever you want me to do. Don't worry everybody though,
Speaker 1: it's cinema. It's cinema. Nick Ky says, you know, call
Speaker 1: me dramatic or whatever you want. I need to take
Speaker 1: a long break from WWA. Between his bads, Seena's retirement
Speaker 1: run has been and now having Gunher do this, it
Speaker 1: has soured me on Gunther. Well, I mean, there's no
Speaker 1: reason to be sour on Gunther. He didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 1: If anything, I mean the fact that they fucking did
Speaker 1: that finish they did tonight. I sure as fuck hope
Speaker 1: that they have Gunther in the strongest possible position they
Speaker 1: can put him in going forward. I mean, he better
Speaker 1: be the real final boss. Can't squander this. It's like
Speaker 1: when Brock broke the streak in twent fourteen. A lot
Speaker 1: of people disagreed with that decision, but it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you had Brock break the streak, you better make sure
Speaker 1: that you keep him as strong as you possibly can.
Speaker 1: Because he's the guy that broke the Undertaker streak. You
Speaker 1: better not squander that. Alex says this was awful. Says
Speaker 1: everything Triple H touches turns into a hot pile of garbage.
Speaker 1: You had a nice run as booker last year, but
Speaker 1: enough is enough. Tub Thumper with a Canadian ten says,
Speaker 1: I know this makes me a bad person, but on
Speaker 1: such a historic night, did we really need to see
Speaker 1: that disgusting old crone Vince McMahon on our screens. It
Speaker 1: was brief. I mean, it wasn't a big deal this.
Speaker 1: They didn't roll his corpse out there in front of
Speaker 1: the crowd. Psycho jet Black. As soon as I saw
Speaker 1: the Miz, I knew this would annoy Solo Monster. I
Speaker 1: actually didn't mind that segment. I did not find that
Speaker 1: segment because it was relatively brief. It got Joe Hendri
Speaker 1: a cameo. People had fun with it, so I was
Speaker 1: okay with it. Says but seriously, thank you John Cena
Speaker 1: for all the good and the bad. We will never
Speaker 1: forget you. Thank you. Psycho. Alexander says, Gunhar needed to leave.
Speaker 1: Sina need to leave Sina's body lifeless in the ring
Speaker 1: for the finish. Not that anti climactic finish we just got,
Speaker 1: but still all hail gunhar, thank you. Alexander Psycho says,
Speaker 1: just realized. Slo Monster kind of looks like Miss. I
Speaker 1: don't know how to feel about this, although miss got
Speaker 1: himself Maurice, so I don't know. Maybe this hope for
Speaker 1: me yet the Winston slip Slo Monster is way more
Speaker 1: handsome than cube Head Miss cube Head, Miss does he
Speaker 1: have a cube head? I don't know about that. Johnny
Speaker 1: Bernie says, John Cena retires and at last Bruce Blitz
Speaker 1: can finally be at peace with his life. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: there's that name I haven't heard in the years. Is
Speaker 1: he still around? I honestly don't know. I always know
Speaker 1: he was John Cena's biggest fan. I'm sure he's doing
Speaker 1: some celebrating tonight wherever he is. Holiday one ninety seven
Speaker 1: says this contends as the most botched retirement run. Sina
Speaker 1: had some good matches, but there was little build in
Speaker 1: half of those matches. The Scena heel turn was ruined,
Speaker 1: and now the ending of his final match he deserved
Speaker 1: a lot better. Yeah, I mean, there were mistakes made
Speaker 1: during this run. I think that's safe to say. We
Speaker 1: got Sanders with a nine ninety eight nine, says Soul.
Speaker 1: Getting a roll up win after her finish bothered me. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: it was fine, but it's just a micro example of
Speaker 1: WWE not wanting to truly beat anyone. Soul beating Bailey
Speaker 1: right after would have been fine. Yeah, I mean we
Speaker 1: do get a lot of roll ups in this company.
Speaker 1: I'm just happy we got the right result in that match.
Speaker 1: Soul Ruka winning was the right idea, It's the right outcome.
Speaker 1: Glizzie Bob says Triple H did not understand the assignment tonight.
Speaker 1: Any sane man could have seen that finish wasn't going
Speaker 1: to get over well with that crowd. The booze were deserved. Oh,
Speaker 1: he deserved every single bit of it. Yes, I agree, one,
Speaker 1: he deserved every bit of that reaction that he got.
Speaker 1: But it's sad that John Cena was the one who retired.
Speaker 1: So Sena was out there and they weren't booing Sena,
Speaker 1: but the boos were raining down nonetheless. And so when
Speaker 1: your final match ends with chance of bullshit, you know
Speaker 1: you fucked up. Blue Blart says, are you laundering money
Speaker 1: for jo Joseph is a big fan of the show.
Speaker 1: I'm on Blue. I see him supporting more than you.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put down Joseph. Joseph's a good dude.
Speaker 1: Sent the message yesterday saying many blessings for the weekend
Speaker 1: to come. I hope wherever he is he's having a
Speaker 1: great night. Hopefully he's not too dejected after the way
Speaker 1: that Johnsena went out tonight. Curtis Tally says Legendary Solomon.
Speaker 1: I think I made my point very clear. I think
Speaker 1: I made my thoughts on this pretty clear for everybody tonight.
Speaker 1: Venom Caitetsu with a twenty five created Johnny Carson on
Speaker 1: wrestle Mania two thousand says any suggestions for his finisher? Also,
Speaker 1: congrats on two back to back Friday the thirteenth, February
Speaker 1: and March extra Jason Celebrations for twenty twenty six. You
Speaker 1: made Johnny Carson in wrestle Mania two thousand. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you should give him the soul Snatcher as his finish.
Speaker 1: I want to see Johnny Carson pull that off. The
Speaker 1: Sheriff of Patty's Sina went out like a legend. Should
Speaker 1: I hope future greats take note. Go out like Sena,
Speaker 1: not like Flair. Love the channel. Can't wait for the
Speaker 1: RSPW drop. Yep, it'll be ready in time for the
Speaker 1: holidays coming up. I'm trying to add some Sena posts. Actually,
Speaker 1: I went out to go find some John Cena related posts,
Speaker 1: and I will tell you that the ones that I
Speaker 1: found are not very complimentary. This is from the early
Speaker 1: days Sena. So that'll be in the next installment of
Speaker 1: RSPW Rewind, which should be up in the next couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. For all of you Duff's VIDs from the
Speaker 1: nine ninety nine, if fans were truly mad and smart,
Speaker 1: the crowd would have chanted you can't book to triple
Speaker 1: H thank you, Sena. Or they would have gone with
Speaker 1: everyone's favorite insult. They would have chanted bald fraud. I
Speaker 1: saw him. He was on the pre show. They had
Speaker 1: him on the pre show set with the fans behind him,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I don't know what this was about,
Speaker 1: but there was somebody on their phone. They held up
Speaker 1: their phone and like in big letters, it just said water,
Speaker 1: just said water. And then everybody started channing h two
Speaker 1: oh h two Oh. I mean, you would think they
Speaker 1: were in the desert and they were dying out there.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they were chanting for water. Animal.
Speaker 1: The worst part of this is that this is all
Speaker 1: anyone will be talking about when it comes to John
Speaker 1: Cena's final match. Bingo, You're one hundred percent right, and
Speaker 1: that's a shame. H William Lopez. This is sad how
Speaker 1: Seen is going to be remembered. Seen his real retirement
Speaker 1: match was against aj Styles, and I will stand by that.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. If we all remember the Crown
Speaker 1: Jewel match as a Seen as true retirement match, I
Speaker 1: think I think that that would be perfectly fine. Hashtag
Speaker 1: bald fraud. Oh, Triple Ah's water spit routine? Is that okay?
Speaker 1: Is that why they were chanting water? I'll bet they're
Speaker 1: chanting something else at him right now. Randal the Sandal
Speaker 1: Vandal of the nine ninety nine Hall of Fame headliner
Speaker 1: for next year? What are we thinking? I mean, I
Speaker 1: would have been thinking John Cena. I guess it comes
Speaker 1: down to a schedule, though I don't think Batista has
Speaker 1: still gotten his actual induction yet either. Stuffs Vins who
Speaker 1: knew Brock watched NXT Ricky Saints in the background on TV.
Speaker 1: Lakers Pats disappointed that Sena did not lay down the jorts. Also, well,
Speaker 1: I don't think we needed to see that. You can
Speaker 1: take them off in the back. Max says, technically speaking,
Speaker 1: what was the strongest and weakest parts have seen his career.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get into a lot of that tomorrow. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be a big scene of retrospective on the podcast tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a lot more to say, not just
Speaker 1: about tonight, but just his career overall, his legacy. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go through every match on this retirement tour, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you what I believe to be his
Speaker 1: fifteen best matches. I have ranked. I have ranked the
Speaker 1: fifteen best matches of John Cena's career. It's been a
Speaker 1: while since I've done a countdown. You're gonna get one
Speaker 1: on the podcast tomorrow. So you're gonna get all things.
Speaker 1: John Cena defined Real says, as many times as we
Speaker 1: wanted Triple Hs to stop playing it safe, he picks
Speaker 1: Seena's retirement to do it. It's true. Yeah, I did
Speaker 1: notice that who mentioned that in the chat? GQ yeah.
Speaker 1: When Sina took the camera away from Stu the beginning
Speaker 1: of his entrance and Sena put Stu on camera, they
Speaker 1: cut away, so we barely got a shot of Stu.
Speaker 1: They cut away from Stu. I don't know why they
Speaker 1: did that, Alexander says. Sina by tapping out basically said
Speaker 1: f them kids, Yeah, which is what he said during
Speaker 1: the heel turn. I thought they had realized their mistake,
Speaker 1: but evidently not. I guess. Triple H was all upset
Speaker 1: and pissy over the fact that people poop pooed his
Speaker 1: big heel turns, so he had one last fuck you
Speaker 1: to everybody in the end this journey called life. Seena
Speaker 1: smiled right before tapping out. He chose that you mean
Speaker 1: he shows the finish. I wouldn't be surprised if he did.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean it doesn't mean it was a good finish.
Speaker 1: If he got the finish that he wanted, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm happy for you, bro, I'm happy for you. But
Speaker 1: I thought it was a bad finish. I thought it
Speaker 1: was a bad call. Holliday says, I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: if some of the fans who bought seen his never
Speaker 1: give up merch decide to get rid of them. Why
Speaker 1: hold on to it with this ending, It's like those
Speaker 1: fans threw their money down the drain. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: think of all the shirts he sold over the years.
Speaker 1: They're gonna start burning John's shirts. It's like when a
Speaker 1: player you know gets traded to another team, you have
Speaker 1: their jersey and they burn their jersey like you're dead
Speaker 1: to me. Javier says, as a fan since two thousand
Speaker 1: and three, thanks for the memories. Sina z Ray with
Speaker 1: the ten says, Honestly, if it ended with John Cena
Speaker 1: passing out with the two arm drops, it would have
Speaker 1: been so much better than him tapping out. I mean,
Speaker 1: I prefer he didn't lose, but even if he does
Speaker 1: do it correctly, we got Rebo m Blader loved the match,
Speaker 1: did not like the finish. Overall, good show, though, I
Speaker 1: think that about sums it up Ragnarok. They did the
Speaker 1: fans and Sena a disservice by sticking to a numbnumber
Speaker 1: of appearances instead of a final date. He couldn't properly
Speaker 1: promote a few of his matches. Yeah, he wasn't around
Speaker 1: to do anything with aj on TV before their match.
Speaker 1: Same thing with Gunther, there was at least one more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just I mean, that's a whole lot, that's a
Speaker 1: whole other thing. Moore says, this is real. Fans are
Speaker 1: chanting ae W at the press or are they I'll
Speaker 1: have to I'll have to check that out after. Did
Speaker 1: they send Triple H out there with the crab behind him?
Speaker 1: Because that that would have been ballsy of them if
Speaker 1: they did that. I need to know what they were
Speaker 1: chanting behind Triple H. If they sent him out there
Speaker 1: Aaron Rugerio with a nineteen ninety nine man that was deflating.
Speaker 1: I understand losing on the way out, but this just
Speaker 1: wasn't the night for that. Imagine the postmatch if he
Speaker 1: actually won, should have been a sting revolution esque moment.
Speaker 1: Triple H deserved the backlash one hundred percent. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he did. Devin from NJ. They already did so much
Speaker 1: damage to see his character this year. Having him give
Speaker 1: up in his final match was just the cherry on
Speaker 1: top of this shit Sunday scummed up. Well, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: I just realized something. You know, we we could have
Speaker 1: had it worse. We could have had jay Usso when
Speaker 1: the John Cena last time is now tournament and we
Speaker 1: could have had jay usso due to John Cena what
Speaker 1: he did to gun through a WrestleMania and tap him
Speaker 1: out in the middle of the ring so could always
Speaker 1: be worse. LJ. Junior Sena should have smiled, held the
Speaker 1: three fingers up and faded out there. It is man like.
Speaker 1: That's like that to me would have been a more
Speaker 1: acceptable finish and a more appropriate one that would play
Speaker 1: off of the mantra that he lived by for the
Speaker 1: last twenty plus years, says, yes he loses, but he
Speaker 1: never gives up. Ever, giving up was the entire purpose. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he betrayed that purpose. Project Graham Tony Kahan showed
Speaker 1: fans the right way to send off a legend with
Speaker 1: Sting's last match. Sina should have gotten the same treatment.
Speaker 1: Kind of shameful, really, Boris with a ten dollars My
Speaker 1: boys were so disappointed. First the dumb heel turn and
Speaker 1: now this trash of an ending triple Ah deserved all
Speaker 1: of the chance he got coming out. Fans definitely deserved
Speaker 1: better still, Thank you, Sina Desivid's what did the ancient
Speaker 1: Roman time travelers say when he got to the year
Speaker 1: three thousand, Mmm, Psycho Jet Black. Do you do the
Speaker 1: Obafemi dance in private? I do it every day when
Speaker 1: I generally speaking, when I walk into like a supermarket,
Speaker 1: or if I walk into like a Walgreens or something,
Speaker 1: I do the Obafemi dance. Alexander says, Oba Femi gives
Speaker 1: me Ahmed Johnson energy. I would be greatly offended if
Speaker 1: I was compared to Ahmed Johnson. I certainly hope he
Speaker 1: has a better career than Ahmed johnsonhet Opa Femi has
Speaker 1: more talent in his pinky finger than Ahmed Johnsonhett Sean Kavanaugh.
Speaker 1: Isn't it time Gunther got a better finish? His sleeper
Speaker 1: is anti climactic and just kills the place. I think
Speaker 1: you could take a move like the sleeper hold and
Speaker 1: just and get it over, and I think he's done that. Actually,
Speaker 1: I mean the sleeper hold was one of those classic
Speaker 1: finishing maneuvers. I can't say it was just the heel finish.
Speaker 1: I mean even Brutus Beefcake use it as a finish.
Speaker 1: And when Beefcake would put the sleeper hold on, people
Speaker 1: went nuts for it. You know, as a babyface. I
Speaker 1: don't have an issue with using a sleeperhole as a finish.
Speaker 1: I think that they have done a good job of
Speaker 1: getting that over as a hold for him. I see
Speaker 1: what you're saying. It's not like a flashy move or
Speaker 1: anything like that. I also think it's smart because as
Speaker 1: you age and you get older and Gun, there is
Speaker 1: no you know, young man by wrestling standards anymore. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's getting up there, he's getting close to forty. I
Speaker 1: think it's smart to have a move that you can
Speaker 1: apply on anybody at any time. You know, Gun, there
Speaker 1: could be wrestling at fifty years old. He could be
Speaker 1: in there with somebody twice his size. He could put
Speaker 1: them in a sleeperhole. Even Hogan used to say, like, man,
Speaker 1: I wish I would have just gone with like a
Speaker 1: fucking clothes line as my finish. You know, would have
Speaker 1: saved my back from all those back surgeries. I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, you have a lot of younger guys in
Speaker 1: wrestling right now, and I understand the desire to do
Speaker 1: something really flashy and cool and some big dive or whatever.
Speaker 1: But man, as you get older and you evolve, they
Speaker 1: should start thinking about like finishing maneuvers that they can
Speaker 1: put on anybody at any time, because if they want
Speaker 1: to wrestle for another fifteen twenty years, you want to
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Speaker 1: says favorite Sena promo package. I personally liked Sena Bray
Speaker 1: Wyatt WrestleMania thirty Legacy by eminem. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: great wrestling video packages, you know, the Austin Rock one,
Speaker 1: my way, the Monster one for Daniel Bryan at WrestleMania thirty,
Speaker 1: Running Up That Hill by Placebo for Shawn Michaels and
Speaker 1: Undertaker WrestleMania twenty six. I don't know that I have
Speaker 1: a favorite John Cena one, though, I mean there was
Speaker 1: a I think actually the one they use for Sena
Speaker 1: Triple h Randy Orton to Wrestle Media at twenty four.
Speaker 1: I think that one was pretty good. But man, beyond that,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of drawing a blank. I don't think I
Speaker 1: have a favorite scene of video package. Uh, Glizzie Bob.
Speaker 1: The pop Kevin Owens got when they showed him in
Speaker 1: the audience hugging Sena was awesome. Do you think they
Speaker 1: would have had one more match if Ko did not
Speaker 1: get hurt? Absolutely absolutely, we got John Cena and Sammy's ay.
Speaker 1: We definitely would have had John Cena and Kevin Owens
Speaker 1: and it would have been great. The horrorrist. We may
Speaker 1: never know whose idea that finish was. If it was
Speaker 1: one hundred percent Sena's idea, would that change your opinion
Speaker 1: at all? It would not change my opinion in the least,
Speaker 1: not one iota. Nick says, you know, this is what
Speaker 1: I mean when I say I can't fucking stand Gunther
Speaker 1: and his fans. The guy is the longest intercontinental champion,
Speaker 1: two time world champion, King of the ring, but he
Speaker 1: still needs more to make him. Yeah, it's like John
Speaker 1: Cena talked about Brock Lesnar when he was on Chris
Speaker 1: Van Vlid's podcast last week and he was asked about
Speaker 1: the Wrestle Paluza match right or he brought it up
Speaker 1: and he was like, well, the idea was that we
Speaker 1: got to make Brock, and I'm already on my way out,
Speaker 1: so like, how can we use me? We gotta make Brock.
Speaker 1: I'm like, make Brock. The fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 1: I didn't know we needed to be made. Make Brock
Speaker 1: one of the funniest fucking things I've heard all year.
Speaker 1: Dry Chicken says, I'm pretty sure the Rock is smiling
Speaker 1: right now after Triple H came out. Oh, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: Like deep down. I'm sure he kinda he got a
Speaker 1: kick out of that. I'm sure he enjoyed that. Somewhere
Speaker 1: deep within is a part of him that was laughing
Speaker 1: that guy. Matt. Now, wwe can finally sell to Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1: Now that's about five or six years away. Give it time,
Speaker 1: it'll happen, but not anytime soon. George Maser with the
Speaker 1: four ninety nine, what's going on? George cool necklace? Oh
Speaker 1: thank you? Sina smiling during the TapouT makes me think
Speaker 1: it may have been his decision. Again, it's it's entirely
Speaker 1: possible that Sina came to them with that idea, or
Speaker 1: at the very least obviously he was okay with it,
Speaker 1: and maybe that was his little, his little spin on it.
Speaker 1: But to me, it did not come off very well.
Speaker 1: Maybe the idea that he had in mind for it,
Speaker 1: if it was his idea, maybe it sounded good in
Speaker 1: his head, But in execution, I just thought it came
Speaker 1: up very poorly. And I don't remember offhand, I don't
Speaker 1: remember exactly where I got it from. But if I remember,
Speaker 1: I will I'll post up something about it or leave
Speaker 1: a comment if I if I can find where I
Speaker 1: got it from I'll post a response that guy Nick
Speaker 1: Rubio Triple H for worst booker of the year. I
Speaker 1: Jackson Man, they did this for WWE Unreal. Oh yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess maybe we'll find out right if this is
Speaker 1: on Unreal season three, maybe we'll get our answer then,
Speaker 1: Glizzie Bob says, reminder that Triple H is the worst
Speaker 1: booker ever. Now he is not the worst booker ever.
Speaker 1: I get carried away here. Duffs Vid says, what does
Speaker 1: a barber serve in the winter? Cold? Cuts? Pretty good?
Speaker 1: That was pretty good. Evan Rodgers says, who cares about
Speaker 1: the WWE beyond this? No draws, no stars, no respect
Speaker 1: for the stories. Toya ain't nice? Says, how would a
Speaker 1: happy ending be applied? Well, I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: haven't figured that part out yet, but there's a way.
Speaker 1: It might not be very PG, but I mean there
Speaker 1: is a way, Like how toyo Toya hasn't let this
Speaker 1: idea go? What about this happy ending finish? Duffs Vid says,
Speaker 1: what did Dad say when he got a universal remote?
Speaker 1: This changes everything? It is that dad joke. Austin Bland
Speaker 1: set not having Randy Orton present was a decision. I
Speaker 1: think he might be over in Saudi. Wasn't he doing
Speaker 1: press over in Saudi Arabia for the royal rembel. He's
Speaker 1: really taking this vacation very seriously. We haven't seen him
Speaker 1: in months. Willie Billy Glad, we got some Taz talk tonight.
Speaker 1: He always cracked me up with that fake whoa. Whenever
Speaker 1: someone's pyro went off, it was like muscle. It's like
Speaker 1: muscle memory for him. I enjoyed Taz on SmackDown that
Speaker 1: guy or even in the even when he was doing
Speaker 1: commentary in TNA, that guy Matt says, I feel undertaker.
Speaker 1: One day he is going to have a couple of
Speaker 1: shots of Jack look at McCool and be like, you know,
Speaker 1: you really helped screw up my reputation, and then the
Speaker 1: fans will chant at him. Bring back Matt, Bring back Matt.
Speaker 1: They just can't let that go. Every time you post
Speaker 1: a new podcast, look at the comments, bring back Matt. Actually,
Speaker 1: this superchat comes from that guy Matt is. I think
Speaker 1: we just figured out who that guy Thatt is. I
Speaker 1: think I just realized why that guy Matt just sent
Speaker 1: that super chat in Matt is that you It's okay
Speaker 1: your secret is safe with us. There's only twenty six
Speaker 1: hundred people in here. You don't worry. Your secret is safe.
Speaker 1: No one will know. I just looked at his name.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute, hold on a second. Brian Besarah,
Speaker 1: no message, just dropping a fifty dollars super chet. You
Speaker 1: know what, it's not red, it's it's magenta. But you're
Speaker 1: you're welcome into the bomb squad. Bryant and Mischie are
Speaker 1: the members of our bomb squad here tonight. I love it.
Speaker 1: Jdf VA, thank you very much, Jacob Chelsea with the
Speaker 1: ten dollars. Postmatch was almost as bad as the finish.
Speaker 1: Crowd was still in shocked silence when Gunther's hand was raised,
Speaker 1: then outcomes Hunter Boot out of the building. Felt like
Speaker 1: the heat was on management. Yeah, I mean the heat
Speaker 1: was not on Cena and it wasn't even it wasn't
Speaker 1: even so much on Gunther. It was on Triple H.
Speaker 1: It was on the company. It was on the company
Speaker 1: for you know, charging them in arm and a leg
Speaker 1: for the right to come to this show and then
Speaker 1: get pissed on at the very end. It's like, here,
Speaker 1: we're gonna charge you one thousand dollars for your ticket
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna take a fucking dump on your
Speaker 1: head at the end. Eh. Thanks, I'd be pissed if
Speaker 1: I was there, Rob Pyre, that was a Netflix WWE
Speaker 1: unreal ending best for business pal, says Triple H. I
Speaker 1: guess Keelsy keels the admiration from Greece. Please stay legendary Keelsy.
Speaker 1: Thank you so Kelsey or Keelsy. I think it's klzy. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think I just said it wrong. You know, Greece
Speaker 1: is one of those places. It's on my list of
Speaker 1: places I'd like to visit one day. I hear the
Speaker 1: beaches over there are really nice and the women WANTOCMPO
Speaker 1: is Seena the last true draw in WWE before TKO.
Speaker 1: When did TKO officially? TKO didn't really take over until
Speaker 1: the fall of twenty three, right that's when the deal closed.
Speaker 1: I would say yes, Cod Cody was already pretty well
Speaker 1: established by that point, Roman had already had the majority
Speaker 1: of his run. So I think we still have yet
Speaker 1: to have that one true like TKO era draw in
Speaker 1: this company. Maybe that'll be bron Breaker. Maybe that could
Speaker 1: be an Oba Femi one day, or Jacob Fatu or
Speaker 1: someone like that the Uffman says, So Lesner destroyed Sena
Speaker 1: at Russell Palooza because why exactly, Well, because we had to.
Speaker 1: We had to put Lesner over, because we had to
Speaker 1: keep him looking strong. We had to get him over
Speaker 1: come on ofman pay attention. We got to get the
Speaker 1: guy over. I mean, what's not to understand. He wasn't
Speaker 1: strong enough. People had forgotten. Hey, adt ar, what's going on? Man?
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. Five Neamo says Triple H is
Speaker 1: not a good booker or not a great booker. He
Speaker 1: books for the moments. He's got a very particular way
Speaker 1: that he books. I wouldn't say it's great, but I
Speaker 1: also wouldn't call him the worst booker of all time,
Speaker 1: Like that's just hyperbole. We got holy shit wrestling, buy
Speaker 1: or sell Seinfeld finale or Sina finale. Oh man, you
Speaker 1: really put me on the spot here with this one.
Speaker 1: They're really putting me on the spot here with this one.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Seinfeld finale and buying on that, believe
Speaker 1: it or not, that was much better than the Sena finale.
Speaker 1: H Stephen j Neptune Man best seene a moment announcing
Speaker 1: ben Laden's death. Well, we can now say that John
Speaker 1: Cena's career with that finish tonight has been compromised to
Speaker 1: a permanent end. Anderson Blitz says, and just like that,
Speaker 1: a piece of my childhood came to an end. Hashtag
Speaker 1: thank you, Sena, thank you Anderson, Evan Rodgers. They think
Speaker 1: people are going to care about Saudi wrestling entertainment after
Speaker 1: this crap, no respect for the character or the crowd.
Speaker 1: Sina announced it like he took out Ben Lauden himself.
Speaker 1: Maybe he did. Maybe he snuck in put a sealed
Speaker 1: Team six uniform on him. I mean he was the Marine,
Speaker 1: so I mean, you know he does have some of
Speaker 1: that combat experience. Jonathan says. I agree. It was an
Speaker 1: underwhelming finish. Thank you, Jonathan Arabian Night two thousand finish
Speaker 1: of this and the retirement run in general was ruined
Speaker 1: by Triple H. In my opinion, he's lost the fan trust.
Speaker 1: I hope it reflects in twenty twenty six and affects business.
Speaker 1: Change is needed. Well. As long as people are buying
Speaker 1: up those tickets at those prices and putting money in
Speaker 1: their pockets, I mean, nothing is really going to change.
Speaker 1: I certainly hope we get the change that we need
Speaker 1: on Friday nights when they expand the show to three
Speaker 1: hours in a few weeks, where that show is going
Speaker 1: to go from bad to worse real quick. That's the
Speaker 1: change I'm hoping we get in the short term. Jeremy
Speaker 1: Rose with the twenty two dollars rock Drop Triple H
Speaker 1: hasn't had a solid, complete storyline since Bloodline, and that's debatable. Seriously,
Speaker 1: this guy seems to be bulletproof because there's a portion
Speaker 1: of the fans that keeps shelling out exorbitant amounts of
Speaker 1: money to this company. Yeah, I mean, as long as
Speaker 1: that continues, there's really no incentive for them to change.
Speaker 1: Like I'm watching SmackDown last night and the Alistair Black
Speaker 1: Da Me and pre stuff, right, And that's just one example.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, this has been going on for
Speaker 1: a while now, and I said, like, we're months into this.
Speaker 1: I still cannot understand how we went from having a
Speaker 1: last man standing match at the beginning of the feud
Speaker 1: to where we are now. And I'm like, these two guys
Speaker 1: are in no better of a position now than they
Speaker 1: were three or four or five months ago. Like it
Speaker 1: hasn't done either one of them a lick of good.
Speaker 1: Paul Carpenter seriously can triple h redeem himself and how yeah,
Speaker 1: he can produce you know, better television and give us
Speaker 1: interesting entertaining television shows, and he can fix the fucking
Speaker 1: roster on Fridays. He can start there. That would be
Speaker 1: a good start. Hank says, Rick Flair's Old Yeller story
Speaker 1: was way better. Actually, that segment was a great segment
Speaker 1: with him and Shawn Michaels. That's a great promo. We
Speaker 1: got kerber bing rigsy so so relieving to know that
Speaker 1: Sola Monster feels the same way about that finish. Just
Speaker 1: trying to understand the logic into what message they wanted
Speaker 1: to send with that. Well, I'm going to venture a guess.
Speaker 1: I'm going to venture a guess, and I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: that the idea behind it was Sina came to the
Speaker 1: realization that nothing he was doing was working, and he
Speaker 1: knew he was fading, and he accepted his fate. It's
Speaker 1: like somebody who trips and falls and looks up and
Speaker 1: there's a moving train coming towards them and they just
Speaker 1: sort of accept their fate. So he was at peace
Speaker 1: with himself and his career, and he smiled, and he
Speaker 1: looked that into the fans, or his wife or who
Speaker 1: he was looking at. But that would be one thing
Speaker 1: if he faded. But he didn't fade. He tapped in
Speaker 1: the most anti climactic way possible. But I assume the
Speaker 1: idea was simply that he accepted his fate. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: that that's not a good enough story to tell with
Speaker 1: that finish. It doesn't justify the finish that they did.
Speaker 1: It does not make for good television, It does not
Speaker 1: make for a good storybook ending. It just doesn't m
Speaker 1: Mills again, I salute you. I give you a scene
Speaker 1: a salute for that one hundred dollars bomb. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much. Donnovan pain, Hey, Solo, what do you think
Speaker 1: would have been the best time period for a Lesner
Speaker 1: versus Batista match to take place? Well, Lesner was already
Speaker 1: gone right early two thousand and four. Batista really wasn't
Speaker 1: all that big of a deal yet at that point.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to think because Batista left in twenty ten,
Speaker 1: Brock came back in twenty twelve, I just don't think
Speaker 1: there was really a good time to do the match
Speaker 1: where both men would have been at their peak. I
Speaker 1: mean Batista came back in twenty fourteen. I would not
Speaker 1: say Batista was still at his peak in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: but I guess that would have been it. I mean
Speaker 1: Brock was around, yeah, But the thing is like twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen is where he broke the streak and then he
Speaker 1: squashed Senaus. So it's like all of that happened in
Speaker 1: the time period where Batista came back. There was no
Speaker 1: way Batista was going to go in there and have
Speaker 1: a competitive match with Brock when they were in the
Speaker 1: process of building him up as an unstoppable monster. So
Speaker 1: to answer your question, I don't think there really was
Speaker 1: a prime period to get it done. I think that
Speaker 1: the timing just never worked out. This Gaming Dragon says,
Speaker 1: how can anyone think WWE is better than AW after
Speaker 1: all of this? At the very least they know how
Speaker 1: to book a retur hirement match. That they do. I
Speaker 1: will give them credit for that. They know how to
Speaker 1: book a retirement match and treat their legends the way
Speaker 1: they should be treated. Although that doesn't mean that every
Speaker 1: legend needs to win their retirement match. But I just
Speaker 1: think that in this case, in this case, they did
Speaker 1: wrong by Sina Give Me Backshots Solemn Monster with the
Speaker 1: Dollar ninety nine. Bron's great, However, Oba is better than
Speaker 1: Braun overall, easily. I'm not going to argue I like
Speaker 1: them both. I think that Bron is clearly the one
Speaker 1: that they have chosen to really build things around. But
Speaker 1: I think Oba is great. I think Oba checks all
Speaker 1: the boxes. I mean, he's got all the tools. He's
Speaker 1: more physically impressive than Bron Breaker is, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: if there's one thing that he really has over Bron,
Speaker 1: that's it. Like that's the main that's not it. I
Speaker 1: don't mean that it's the only thing, Like that's the
Speaker 1: main attribute. You know. Physically, he's far more imposing and
Speaker 1: intimidating and threatening than Bron Breaker is. Matthew Amandola right choice.
Speaker 1: Shout out my boy, Gene Funnings. Thank you, Matthew Zombifid guitarists.
Speaker 1: I really hoped he made it part of the heel
Speaker 1: turn there at the very end, Hello, he went back
Speaker 1: to being a heel in his last moment. He just
Speaker 1: wants to defy everybody and say, fuck it, I'm going
Speaker 1: back to being a heel Warhawk Rambow. Do you think
Speaker 1: h man is an overrated booker, I think by some people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is overrated. I think some people worship at the
Speaker 1: altar a little too much. That's what I think. Ricardo
Speaker 1: de Jesus. The ending of this match made me a
Speaker 1: preciates Sting's retirement match more. Say what you will about
Speaker 1: Tony's booking, but the way that was handled, especially with
Speaker 1: Sting winning, was just perfect. Yeah. And Sting wanted to lose,
Speaker 1: and Tony stepped in and said, this is this is
Speaker 1: the way it's going to be. This is for the better,
Speaker 1: this is the right thing to do, and he put
Speaker 1: his foot down. He said, no, this is what we
Speaker 1: want to do. This is how we want to tell
Speaker 1: this story. And it was the right choice. Jeremy says,
Speaker 1: if we assume that whoever gets to eighteen is currently
Speaker 1: in WWE, who would you predict personally? I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone will, especially with everyone getting two hundred plus day rains. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well that's the biggest thing. Everyone has these long championship
Speaker 1: reigns now, So the closest person who is still active,
Speaker 1: who would be closest to seeing it in terms of
Speaker 1: world title reigns on the men's side, would be it
Speaker 1: would have to be Randy Orton. So Randy Orton. How
Speaker 1: many does Randy Orton have at fourteen? I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: Randy Orton has fourteen? Thirteen or fourteen? I get him
Speaker 1: in triple H confused, Maybe it's thirteen. I don't see
Speaker 1: Randy Orton getting there after Randy. Who would it be?
Speaker 1: I don't even know who the next person would be.
Speaker 1: I agree, I don't think we're I don't think anybody's
Speaker 1: hitting eighteen. I can't say ever, but I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody's hitting eighteen. Put it that way. I know Seene
Speaker 1: has made comments about I want to, you know, shake
Speaker 1: the hand of the person who hits eighteen. I think
Speaker 1: scene is going to be old and gray if that
Speaker 1: day ever comes. Charlotte probably will. I guess. If you
Speaker 1: want to count the women's championship, then I guess Sina
Speaker 1: will probably be shaking Charlotte Flare's hand at some point.
Speaker 1: But on the men's side, I just don't see who
Speaker 1: it would be. Fro seventy nine. First the disrespect to Nemo,
Speaker 1: then Alonso goes to Birdland, and now this deflated balloon
Speaker 1: of a finish Diaz never wanted to stay here so
Speaker 1: f him and Los Angeles. Yeah, I'm trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what's worse the state of the New York Mets
Speaker 1: or the finish that we got in the match tonight.
Speaker 1: Jeremy Ross, I've seen a light about never giving up?
Speaker 1: Then what makes us believe that he was truthful about
Speaker 1: never coming back? So he's just a liar? Is that
Speaker 1: his h his new mantra just makes shit up, just
Speaker 1: betray everything about the character. Remember when he went here,
Speaker 1: we had people making illustrations about the make a wish,
Speaker 1: the break a wish, just give up. That was the
Speaker 1: new slogan, just give up soul Ruka's beaver with a
Speaker 1: two dollars super chat. All I gotta say is what
Speaker 1: in the everlasting fuck? That's what I said when I
Speaker 1: saw that name Alex from Phoenix JD mistakenly called Gunther
Speaker 1: Gooner pro indigenous. It's like when Goku gave up at
Speaker 1: the Cell Games out of character for the sake of
Speaker 1: a plot point. Ah, yes, of course, of course Goku.
Speaker 1: How could I forget? I know I'm out of the
Speaker 1: loop on this venom? Kitetsu tweeted you a Carson four
Speaker 1: fifty splash. I don't know I have to check that
Speaker 1: out after although my poor mentions, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm going to be able to cycle through all the responses.
Speaker 1: Cameron Spencer, I want to see Omas against Oba at Mania.
Speaker 1: Give me the pros and cons of that match, and
Speaker 1: are you down for that? I mean, the biggest con
Speaker 1: I could see is that I would not be debuting
Speaker 1: Oba on the main roster, and the first feud I
Speaker 1: put him in is against the guy who's even bigger
Speaker 1: than him. The whole point of Oba is that he's
Speaker 1: bigger than most people on the main roster. He just
Speaker 1: looks intimidating, right. It's part of It's part of his persona.
Speaker 1: It's part of that Aura I was talking about. You
Speaker 1: kill that Aura dead in the minute. You put him
Speaker 1: in the ring against somebody who's bigger than him. Why
Speaker 1: would you do that? I'm all for coming up with
Speaker 1: something for Omas to do as like a character on
Speaker 1: the show, but I would not be doing that match
Speaker 1: at Wrestle. Maybe Oba and Drew I could get behind
Speaker 1: that Oba and Omas. Now I would not be doing
Speaker 1: that much this gaming Dragon perfect promo bragging right sena
Speaker 1: versus orton two thousand and nine, I don't remember that video.
Speaker 1: I have to go back and watch that one. Bobby
Speaker 1: means there will never be another John Cena. And as
Speaker 1: far as who will buy WW in the coming years,
Speaker 1: I don't think it will be the Saudis. You don't
Speaker 1: think there won't be any Saudi money involved in that transaction.
Speaker 1: Adt rs has been watching the six man Hell in
Speaker 1: a Cell match from Armageddon two thousand on the vault.
Speaker 1: Do you think we'll see another multi man Hell in
Speaker 1: a Cell in the future. I hope not. I mean
Speaker 1: not a six man to me, that's just that's too much.
Speaker 1: I could see it like a triple threat. Beyond that,
Speaker 1: I don't really see it happening. I think they save
Speaker 1: Hell and his self, or like they did with Punkin Drew,
Speaker 1: they save it for when there's an appropriate time to
Speaker 1: bust it out, and that would probably be for a
Speaker 1: singles match, but triple thread it at most. I don't
Speaker 1: think we get a fatal four way or six way
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Glizzie Bob Tko is to blame
Speaker 1: for this. I just can't prove it yet. Well, you
Speaker 1: just got to keep looking for the evidence to support
Speaker 1: your theory. The Ice Dance TV matches on a pay
Speaker 1: per view, fifteen minutes of commercials between matches, dead finishes, boring, creative,
Speaker 1: self aggrandizing, and no speech offensive to fans. Technically, it's
Speaker 1: not a pay per view. Do you want to be
Speaker 1: technical about it? She's not wrong on all the other things.
Speaker 1: Retro people who think Triple H is the worst have
Speaker 1: no clue who Jim Hurd was. The kids have no idea. Ah, yes,
Speaker 1: pizza hut. Jim heard William Sweeney, So have Sina so
Speaker 1: so have Sena do what he said he wouldn't and quit? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what they did. I don't know if you're asking
Speaker 1: a question or making a statement, that's what he did.
Speaker 1: Gold Matthew biggest missed opportunity is having healed Sena versus
Speaker 1: Punk in either Chicago or Boston. I mean, dude, it
Speaker 1: was right there for Chicago. That's where I thought it
Speaker 1: was going to be done. Wasn't money in the bank
Speaker 1: in Chicago? Maybe that was La? I think there was
Speaker 1: in La. But yeah, I mean Chicago would have been
Speaker 1: a great place to do it. Also, I would have
Speaker 1: booked Heel Sena as a Heel reflection of Cody link
Speaker 1: Master X. We can fix this Sena number thirty and
Speaker 1: wins the rumble. Keep Dreaming, Keep fighting, the good fight.
Speaker 1: Link Master X reconcned with forty nine months of channel membership,
Speaker 1: says from Judgment Day O five to WrestleMania twenty three
Speaker 1: to twenty five, Once in a Lifetime to his final
Speaker 1: match in Florida. It's been surreal knowing I got to
Speaker 1: see his whole career live and now it is over.
Speaker 1: Thank you Sina. So you were at Once in a
Speaker 1: Lifetime too, huh. We may have been sitting next to
Speaker 1: each other. Of course, Once in a Lifetime ended up
Speaker 1: being a lie, but at the time it sounded great.
Speaker 1: Thank you weakan Son. We got Sema j P five fourteen.
Speaker 1: I understand the finish. It was definitely tongue in cheek.
Speaker 1: Oh well, that's that's great. So we got a tongue
Speaker 1: in cheek finish to John Cena's final match. Great SMG.
Speaker 1: Kobe watch with friends who aren't wrestling fans, and the
Speaker 1: finish made them not want to watch a WWE at all.
Speaker 1: This wasn't about gunther fans wanted Sena. Yeah, it's not. Look,
Speaker 1: they didn't create a single new fan with that match.
Speaker 1: Maybe that wasn't their intent, but the way they were
Speaker 1: promoting this match, and you had all of these mainstream
Speaker 1: interviews with Cina and on ESPN and all these different places,
Speaker 1: and the morning shows on the major news networks and
Speaker 1: the major news shows. They didn't make a single new
Speaker 1: fan with that main event tonight, So I would imagine
Speaker 1: those casual observers probably were not very happy with what
Speaker 1: they saw. Link Master says Ram Jam had a better
Speaker 1: last match. I think Randy the Ram had a better
Speaker 1: last match, and he probably fucking died at the end
Speaker 1: of it. We don't know for sure, but it seems
Speaker 1: like he did. Venom Catetsu says John Cena retired but
Speaker 1: not Jan Sina loophole interesting. You know they did buy
Speaker 1: Triple A, So imagine if Juan Sena pops up in
Speaker 1: Triple A to fight off El Grande Americana. We have
Speaker 1: warm corn, warm corn with a two dollars super shot
Speaker 1: gunther needs the rub barbicue Thank you Cajun Dry, which
Speaker 1: rub might be that happy ending finish that people were
Speaker 1: talking about. Uha Yanko Riggsy. What's just as infuriating is
Speaker 1: knowing when Sena eventually gets asked about that finish in interviews,
Speaker 1: he'll spend some philosophical non answer. Oh oh yes he will,
Speaker 1: as only John Cena can. Yeah. I feel like if
Speaker 1: you were to ask John Cena like what's your favorite food?
Speaker 1: Simple question, right, like what's your favorite food? What's your
Speaker 1: favorite food that you like to eat? And he would
Speaker 1: just come back at you with some kind of answer like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, all food is good and nutritious and uh,
Speaker 1: you know some some big I feel like you said,
Speaker 1: philosophical type of answer where he doesn't really answer the
Speaker 1: question but he just wants to not offend anybody and
Speaker 1: just answer in the most vague way possible. Arabian Night,
Speaker 1: why two Jay saw tonight and is like, Nope, Tony
Speaker 1: Khan will treat me better. I mean the reality is
Speaker 1: Tony Khan will treat him better, probably pay him a
Speaker 1: lot more. We've got Jeremy Rose. Speaking of that six
Speaker 1: man helen a cell, the total entrances were six and
Speaker 1: a half minutes. Today everyone takes five minutes each, Jay
Speaker 1: gets fifteen. Oh forget about if you had a six
Speaker 1: man hell of a Cell match today, the entrances alone
Speaker 1: would be twenty minutes. Warhawk Rambo as bad as Triple
Speaker 1: H's as a booker. Vic Venom and Herd are both worse.
Speaker 1: I swear kids these days, link Master. They even boot
Speaker 1: Triple H when he appeared in the video. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't notice that they booed him board than they booed Vince.
Speaker 1: What does that tell you? Warm Corn says, Jim heard.
Speaker 1: What did he hear? It's a good question he heard
Speaker 1: he was going to be fired, Glizzie, Bob, did you
Speaker 1: see the report that WWE was confused by the response
Speaker 1: to La Night getting destroyed by the Vision on Monday Night?
Speaker 1: They are so tone deaf now, I mean the idea
Speaker 1: of the idea behind the report is that they don't
Speaker 1: understand why people would be so upset when they have
Speaker 1: these big, grand plans for La Night. Time will tell
Speaker 1: it's not that people are just upset over what happened
Speaker 1: on Monday Night. It's been many, many months that people
Speaker 1: online have been like, what about La Night? What's gonna be?
Speaker 1: You know, when he's la and not going to get
Speaker 1: his chance to shine because he was being fed constantly
Speaker 1: to the Vision all summer long. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: not like a one night thing. So people are very
Speaker 1: upset about the way he's been booked and companies like oh,
Speaker 1: I can't understand why people would be so upset about
Speaker 1: the way La and Night was being booked on Monday Night.
Speaker 1: He's in for a big push in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: I vividly remember tweets going around at the beginning of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five saying that finn Balor was in store
Speaker 1: for a major singles push this year. I'm still waiting
Speaker 1: on that major singles push for Finn Balor. Duffs Evids
Speaker 1: with ten months of membership, can you name two structures
Speaker 1: that water well? Damn Retro says buy or sell on?
Speaker 1: Which is worse? Gunther tapping out Sena or Brock beating
Speaker 1: Undertaker at WrestleMania Brock beating Undertaker at WrestleMania Arabian Night.
Speaker 1: If anything, they drove fans away and AW gained a few.
Speaker 1: I don't know if AW gained a few. They may
Speaker 1: have gained a few, but I don't think it's AW
Speaker 1: gained a few more than just They may have just
Speaker 1: driven some fans away that I can believe. Link Master
Speaker 1: Alex Riley is laughing right now. Navy forty one eighty
Speaker 1: one is triple H the only one to not lose
Speaker 1: a final WWE match. No. No, Undertaker's last match was
Speaker 1: the Boneyard match right against the AJ Styles, and he
Speaker 1: won that one. And he beat John Cena in an
Speaker 1: actual match at wrestle Mania thirty four. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the official last match Brett Hart would have been,
Speaker 1: but I mean he won the US title the last
Speaker 1: time he had to run. He beat the Miss. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean I thought it wasn't his last match, But
Speaker 1: now Triple H is not the only one to not
Speaker 1: lose his final match. And Duff's VIDs can you name
Speaker 1: two structures that hold water? Well, damn didn't. I just
Speaker 1: read that one. He sent that as a member chat
Speaker 1: and a super chat. He was so impressed by this
Speaker 1: joke he had to say it twice. We got KCU
Speaker 1: Unfiltered thirty two months of channel membership. What is next
Speaker 1: for Gunther? I do believe it will be brock Lesnar
Speaker 1: That would be my best guess, although Gunther and Obo
Speaker 1: would be pretty cool, but it just feels like that's
Speaker 1: a little too soon to jump into that. We got
Speaker 1: Sean Dee thirty two months of membership. The way I
Speaker 1: see it, this has been the year of Sea going
Speaker 1: back on his word, first with the heel turn, now
Speaker 1: with the tapping out. So the legacy he leaves behind
Speaker 1: is that he's a liar and a hypocrite. Is that
Speaker 1: what I'm getting out of this? It's a hell of
Speaker 1: a legacy to leave behind. Link Master says the icy
Speaker 1: blue shirt is a nice touch. That's from three days ago.
Speaker 1: Why am I reading that now? I'm not wearing an
Speaker 1: icy blue shirt. I w wear that on Wednesday, all right.
Speaker 1: I think I finally got through all of your messages,
Speaker 1: and there were many of them which I love. I
Speaker 1: fucking love it. Well, you guys killed it on the likes.
Speaker 1: We are well over a thousand likes, and you hit
Speaker 1: the bonus goal, which is still going up, up and
Speaker 1: away as more messages come in. Jonathan with two bucks.
Speaker 1: He donated two dollars to get buried by Triple H.
Speaker 1: Look at this. Would Gunther Brock be heel against heel?
Speaker 1: I don't think that if they did the match, it
Speaker 1: would end up being booked that way. I think one
Speaker 1: of them would have to be a babyface, and it
Speaker 1: would probably be Brock. I think if it was going
Speaker 1: to be one of them, it would be lesner. I
Speaker 1: don't think they would book it as heel against heel,
Speaker 1: but I do think there's a very good chance we're
Speaker 1: going to get it. I don't think that it would
Speaker 1: make no sense for me to me for it to
Speaker 1: be guntherer because you just had Gunther beat John Cena
Speaker 1: in the like the most heelish way possible, so that
Speaker 1: you get a turn in baby face like that doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense. Brock would actually have to be the
Speaker 1: babyface in that situation. Thank you, Zachary. All Right, it's
Speaker 1: time to be some be some booker. No, it's called
Speaker 1: be the booker. Why did I say be some booker.
Speaker 1: I'm the booker. Let's do it, ladies and gentlemen. I
Speaker 1: don't even know what I'm saying. Ah the susa, he
Speaker 1: says as a bald man. The f you baldy chance
Speaker 1: at triple h offend me, leave the leave the I
Speaker 1: think it's a follically challenged is what you meant to say.
Speaker 1: Leave the follically challenged alone. It's all right. We love
Speaker 1: the follicy. We loved I can't even speak. We love
Speaker 1: the follically challenged. Here on the sound off. It's all good.
Speaker 1: All right, so this is where we have some fun here.
Speaker 1: Can I book a better car than Triple H did tonight?
Speaker 1: I think the answer is yes. Can I book a
Speaker 1: better finish than Triple H did tonight? Absolutely? I won't
Speaker 1: let you down. Case in point, we're kicking things off
Speaker 1: with Sting and the Great Muta. There's a badass team.
Speaker 1: Grandpa Sting and Grandpa Muda. Still badass. Look at that team.
Speaker 1: I'm very that image you just saw by the way.
Speaker 1: I was at that show. So that's the last time
Speaker 1: I got to see Sting live in person. It may
Speaker 1: have been the only time. No, that's not true. I
Speaker 1: went to WrestleMania WrestleMania thirty one. What the fuck am
Speaker 1: I saying? But that was definitely the last time I
Speaker 1: ever saw Sting live and I got to see him
Speaker 1: and the Great Muda make an appearance on that show.
Speaker 1: That was a Grand Slam over at Arthur ash Stadium
Speaker 1: a few years ago. They're gonna be Oh, for God,
Speaker 1: why why? It was a gimme? It was a sl
Speaker 1: I am dunk Sting and Mudha against Headbanger Mosh and
Speaker 1: Di lo O Brown. Low down. I'm pissed that I
Speaker 1: had to give the buzzer to sting in the Great
Speaker 1: Mooda as a tag team. I'm very upset about this.
Speaker 1: You know, we had last night on the stream. We
Speaker 1: actually had a loser Leaves Town match and Trent Burretta
Speaker 1: and Chuck Taylor, the best friends, were in the match,
Speaker 1: and so I said, to live up to the stipulation,
Speaker 1: someone's gotta go. They were the ones who got the
Speaker 1: boot gone from be the booker. We need to have
Speaker 1: one of those loser Leaves Town stipulations for lowdown. All right,
Speaker 1: we got the man, We got Becky Lynch here and
Speaker 1: be the booker. I think Becky is on the mount
Speaker 1: Rushmore for women's wrestlers. That's what I think. Becky Lynch
Speaker 1: is going to take on the beautiful Mariah may you know.
Speaker 1: It excites me that that could be a match one
Speaker 1: day on the main roster in the not too distant future,
Speaker 1: Becky Lynch against Blake Monroe. I look forward to that.
Speaker 1: And now our first main event of the evening, don't
Speaker 1: let me down. Come on, be the booker. Don't let
Speaker 1: me down. Here we have the tribal chief, the OTC,
Speaker 1: the head of the table, the big dog that I
Speaker 1: get them alls in the main event, but against who
Speaker 1: against John Cena? Well, then I think to be the
Speaker 1: booker gods. They just were shining down upon us tonight.
Speaker 1: They just knew there was just something in the air,
Speaker 1: and they just knew that we landed on John Cena
Speaker 1: in the main event. And I make this vow, I
Speaker 1: make this promise to you that in this match you
Speaker 1: will get a much better finished than the one that
Speaker 1: you got tonight. I'll book a better retirement match for
Speaker 1: John Cena than Triple H did there? You go? No clean, sweet,
Speaker 1: But at least we ended strong there with that good
Speaker 1: main event. I can't believe that Scena's real last match.
Speaker 1: That's right, all right, you earned a bonus round. So
Speaker 1: now we get stipulations. This is where it gets dicey.
Speaker 1: We got some good stipulations, we got some not so
Speaker 1: good stipulations. This could be a very dangerous thing here.
Speaker 1: Buried alive. I could think of a few people who
Speaker 1: were buried alive. All right, We're gonna have ourselves a
Speaker 1: buried alive tag team match. There's only one of them
Speaker 1: in history that I could think of, and it was
Speaker 1: a damn good one on SmackDown. Well, I mean this
Speaker 1: is okay, this is kind of morbid. Actually, we landed
Speaker 1: on the buried alive stipulation and the first thing that
Speaker 1: pop up are the Van Eric boys. Although actually Kevin
Speaker 1: is the only one who's still alive. Kerry is not.
Speaker 1: Kevin is all right, So that's that's less morbid. That's
Speaker 1: not the stipulation I was hoping to land out here
Speaker 1: for the VN Erics. Boy, this be the booker has
Speaker 1: gotten dark here tonight. All the teams the land done. Really,
Speaker 1: this thing is a mind of its own. Oh man,
Speaker 1: the ladies are gonna go nuts for this match. It's
Speaker 1: going to be the VN Erics against the American males Marcus,
Speaker 1: Alexander Bagwell and Scottie Riggs in a buried alive match.
Speaker 1: For shame be the booker. It's very is a terrible
Speaker 1: stipulation for this match. How dare you? It's awful? Have
Speaker 1: you no shame? All right? Our next stipulation is going
Speaker 1: to be an I quit match. As we see Randy
Speaker 1: Orton spitting on John Cena in the background here, technically
Speaker 1: our second time here is selecting John Cena and be
Speaker 1: the booker. So what we have is an I quit
Speaker 1: women's match that will feature the eradicator, Real Ripley. Good start,
Speaker 1: a very good start, very encouraging start. I'll give this
Speaker 1: a drum roll. Since it's the women's main event. I
Speaker 1: quit match Ria Ripley against Tiffany Stratton. I don't know
Speaker 1: where she is, but I think that would be a
Speaker 1: good one. And this is it. We go from our
Speaker 1: Night one main event to our Night two main event.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's gonna be hard to top that
Speaker 1: Night one main event. We had Roman Reigns and John Cena.
Speaker 1: This is going to be a casket match. We already
Speaker 1: had a buried a live match. Now we have a
Speaker 1: casket match. Be the booker is it's it's in a
Speaker 1: mood tonight. I don't know what it's gotten into this thing,
Speaker 1: a casket match. We have the ae W World Champion,
Speaker 1: Samoa Joe on one side of the coin on the
Speaker 1: other Samoa Joe. You know we always say Joe's gonna
Speaker 1: kill you, Joe's gonna kill you. Who's Joe gonna kill
Speaker 1: and bury fac We're not done yet. We're not done yet.
Speaker 1: We now have a fatal four way casket match. I
Speaker 1: don't believe there's ever been a fatal four way casket match,
Speaker 1: but we're about to make history here by having the
Speaker 1: first ever fatal four way casket match, So I guess
Speaker 1: the rules would be. It's pretty much just bedlam until
Speaker 1: one person puts someone in a casket and slams the lid,
Speaker 1: and when that happens, that's it. The match is over.
Speaker 1: So that's the way this is gonna work. Oh man,
Speaker 1: all right, well we have Samoa Joe. We need three
Speaker 1: more Orange Cassidy. Oh he'll kill Orange Cassidy easily, no problem,
Speaker 1: that's an easy one three casket No, no, nope, nope,
Speaker 1: one casket. First person who goes in, the person who
Speaker 1: puts the wins the match. Hiroshi Tanahashi, Samoa Joe, Orange Cassidy, Hiroshi.
Speaker 1: This is like an aw rific match here. This is
Speaker 1: an all elite main event no longer. It's not the
Speaker 1: Heartbreak Kid, Shawn Michaels. And you know what, any main
Speaker 1: event that has Shawn Michaels and Tanahashi in it, let
Speaker 1: alone Samoa Joe. I don't care what the stipulation is.
Speaker 1: It could be dog shit on a pole for all
Speaker 1: I care. That's getting a bell. Michael's and tana Hashi
Speaker 1: man the one that got away from us. Tanahashi's also
Speaker 1: retiring in a few weeks. I'm gonna I'm gonna wager
Speaker 1: a bet here. I'm gonna wager bet that Tanahashi has
Speaker 1: a better retirement match than john SENA did? You got
Speaker 1: Tanahashi and Okada in the dome in front of fifty
Speaker 1: thousand people, and these final batch of super chats here
Speaker 1: we've got first of all, fire Grand Welcome to all
Speaker 1: of the new subscribers. We picked up a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of them tonight. I hope you enjoy your stay warm.
Speaker 1: Corn says, now Sina doesn't have to avoid tap water anymore.
Speaker 1: Mike Witt says things last AW run was so much
Speaker 1: better than Seena's last WWE run, and it wasn't even close.
Speaker 1: Luis with the twenty two Women of Wrestling on KCl
Speaker 1: over Johnsena's retirement match, Tripleah should be banished to the
Speaker 1: shadow realm for that dog piss finish the Women of
Speaker 1: Wrestling on your local TV station over Johnsen's retirement match.
Speaker 1: You have a dude, it's on peacock, It's not on
Speaker 1: your your Oh, it's a direction you can fuck unless
Speaker 1: you're saying you chose to watch that over Johnsen his
Speaker 1: retirement match. Bdo watch Saturday night's main event with my
Speaker 1: nephews and some friends who had tuned out of wrestling
Speaker 1: sucks Having them exposed to what fart of a show
Speaker 1: got me looking goofy. Yeah, you're the bad guy. Now
Speaker 1: you wasted their time. I'm loving all the Supercyan super
Speaker 1: chats tonight. And Glizzie Bob says to I'm aw from
Speaker 1: now on, see you Wednesday nights solo. I'll be here,
Speaker 1: I'll be here. Unfortunately we have three hours of it
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. No weekly show should ever be three hours.
Speaker 1: And Jonathan says, what do you say to people who
Speaker 1: said that he would tap? What do you say to
Speaker 1: people who said that he would tap? What do I
Speaker 1: say to them? I blame you. I blame you for
Speaker 1: putting that out in the atmosphere. I think you're the
Speaker 1: reason why it happened. So I say, boo boo. But
Speaker 1: that woman in the Prince's Bride when she wakes up
Speaker 1: from the dream, boo boo to you. That's what I say. Anyway,
Speaker 1: you guys killed it all stream long. We had upwards
Speaker 1: of thirty two hundred people in here at one point
Speaker 1: still rocking well over twenty three hundred. You guys are awesome.
Speaker 1: Thank you for a great review, even if the finish
Speaker 1: of that show tonight wasn't great. I got a big
Speaker 1: podcast for you tomorrow, very John Cena centric, with some
Speaker 1: other news and notes. We'll talk more about the fallout
Speaker 1: from this show. This retirement run again the top fifteen
Speaker 1: best matches plus some honorable mentions, so it's more like
Speaker 1: twenty or twenty one matches, but the best ones of
Speaker 1: John Cena his career. Takes some mailbag questions. It's already late,
Speaker 1: so look for it later in the afternoon. It's not
Speaker 1: going to be up too early tomorrow, but I'll get
Speaker 1: that recorded and we'll put that out. Luis, you get
Speaker 1: the last word. So as I'm waiting for Women of
Speaker 1: Wrestling to air on Channel nine here in LA after
Speaker 1: the news, well, I hope it's a good show. I
Speaker 1: hope you enjoy it. And Jim h six V only
Speaker 1: one word encompasses that finish, resignation or shit. Well, we're
Speaker 1: all resigned to the fact that John Cena his career
Speaker 1: is now over, and so we close the book on
Speaker 1: the Sena chapter, someone who this company was built around
Speaker 1: for well over a decade, and he's now done over
Speaker 1: Sena himself in the interviews that he did, you know,
Speaker 1: he said, look, I know that a few weeks from
Speaker 1: now they're going to be talking about the Royal Rumble
Speaker 1: and I will be forgotten and everybody will have moved on.
Speaker 1: And you know what, it's true. It's true because the
Speaker 1: world moves very quickly. Here today, gone tomorrow, out of sight,
Speaker 1: out of mind. But John Cena had himself a very
Speaker 1: blessed career. Even if this was not the most blessed year,
Speaker 1: he had a very blessed career. We'll talk more about
Speaker 1: that tomorrow. Be well, stay safe, have yourselves a great
Speaker 1: rest of your night, and keep your eyes peeled. Later
Speaker 1: today for episode nine forty two of The SoundOff, hit
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Speaker 1: I will see you guys for the raw post show
Speaker 1: live here on YouTube on Monday day nights. Until then,
Speaker 1: take care, guys,