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Speaker 1: This is Pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets. Welcome to

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the Human Animal Connection Show, where we believe we can

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communicate with all animals. Join us as we explore the

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thirty three principles and healing methods of the Human Animal Connection.

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As animal lovers, we know that you share our commitment

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to making the world a kinder place for all creatures. Together,

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let's embrace the transformative healing power of the Human Animal Connection.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, welcome to the Human Animal Connection Podcast. I'm

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your host and the executive director of the Human Animal

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Connection Jeanie Joseph, and I'm so excited to talk to

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doctor Keith. He does amazing work. He's going to tell

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you about all the modalities that he does. But today

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we're going to talk about energy healing with animals, which

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is just so much fun because, as you know, animals

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don't generally talk to us in language and words, so

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we have to really pay attention to what their body

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is telling us. And I'll tell you all about working

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with doctor Keith. Well, doctor Keith, thank you for being

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the guests on the show. Would you please tell all

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the audience just a little bit about yourself.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going Keith Blochan. I am coming up in

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my fifth year of practice here. I specialize particularly in

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a technique called network spinal, which deals with light touches

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along the spine to basically initiate the brain and body

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to self correct and activate that natural healing system.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: It cut your hand at heels, so body already has

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capacity heel. Let's activate that. Let's get that working and optimized.

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So that's my primary thing. I pretty much knew this,

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I was since I was young. I knew I wanted

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to go into chiropractic, I didn't know network spinal. And

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it's been a life pursuit of really trying to understand

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this weird thing we call the human system. And yeah,

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this' is a weird thing, all right, Yeah, and that

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tracks over to larger, broader into nature. Right, human system

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is we're seeing an expression of human like mother nature

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doing its thing, same thing with animals. So it's kind

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of like one of the beautiful things is we're watching

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nature happen in real time. And so my study, one

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of my favorite lines, and I think this really hits

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it on the nail best is medicine is a study

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of disease and how a man dies. Chiropractice does a

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study of life and how a man lives. It's not bad,

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but just what I do is I study life. Yeah,

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understand the top of life work.

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Speaker 2: Interested in the life force, interested in seeing how it

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can work better, seeing where there's blocks to communication in

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the body, and so on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I think what's really interesting is that although you

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are a chiropractor, you're not a popping and cracking chiropractor.

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You're working with the nervous system directly, which means very

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subtle work, which I'm very excited about because recently I

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was in a car accident and have whiplash and a concussion,

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and everybody knows what that's all about it But thank

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god I met you and I was able to bring

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in my dog, Sofia. So you've been working on me

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and you've been working on Sofia. Sophia is a twelve

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year old dog and she has some mobility issue use

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and some issues related to old age. So tell us

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a little bit about what it's been like for you,

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how you've been working with Sophia.

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Speaker 3: I use a little bit different process than I do

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in rather than network spinal and really it's following this

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original concept that was just mentioning It's like mother nature

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is intelligent. It kind of made all of you, and

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it's still continuing the process. So how can we lean

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into that intuition and that trust. And so I start

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by just like literally putting my hands on her and

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I'm just noticing what's coming up in me, what's coming

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up in her, and then we just kind of see

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where it goes. We just kind of like, oh, I'm

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noticing i want to like put my hands on our leg. Oh,

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I'm noticing i want to compress her a little bit.

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And I'm just noticing and watching how she responds to that.

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And Okay, certain things will come up, especially as we

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start to work, I'll feel emotions come up all of sudden.

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I'll feel really angry. I'm feeling angry. I'm like, oh,

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there's something. There's anger in the air, there's lingering, and

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it's it's not really that complicated. I mean, you know

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when you walk in a room and they're like, oh

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my gosh, what happened? There's something intuitibly there. They're like

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did someone die? You know, like there's like a joke

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going on. Yeah, but how did you know?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: You know it wasn't something particularly, You just have this

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like vibe sense. It is like a general feeling. And

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so what we're doing is we're maximizing that skill set.

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all of us and really listening and noticing, huh, I'm

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noticing I want to go here. Oh, I'm noticing she's Oh,

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she's like getting resistant to that. We something, there's something there,

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something going on, And especially like the first time I

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put my hands on Sophia, I was like, who'd she get? Like, like,

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did who'd she get attacked by? That was my first

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thought right telling the story a little bit, and I

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was like, it felt like a bigger dog had came

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on in like bitter nose or like tried to pin

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her down or something. Yeah, it felt like I could

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feel the anxiety of that, and that experience just like

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almost like rushed into me. I was like, and it's

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so clear, it just kind of comes up. And now

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that's just me paying attention to what comes up. I

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don't know if that's true. And that's why I asked.

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I'm like, what happened? And then you start telling me

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the story and I'm like, whoa, that's crazy, Like yes.

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Speaker 2: So just for our listeners, Sophia was a feral dog.

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She had a pretty rough life before I got her.

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She was in several shelters. She was pretty wild at first.

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over to my house, I had to strap her to

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my waist because she turned into kujo. And we're talking

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about a twenty pound dog here. So yeah, So she

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had quite a history. And it was fascinating to watch

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you because if you were just observing from the outside,

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we'd say, oh, he's barely touching her. He's just doing

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these light little touches. But what was interesting is you

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began to feel her story as you touched her body

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through feeling what the feelings were being triggered in you,

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like your fields were merged or your intuition was merged,

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and you could sense her history. So yeah, and what's

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really funny is that when we first you started working

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on her in her little carriage. We'll show those pictures

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and then we put her on the floor while you

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were working on me, and she would go run around

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all happy, now, all bouncy, her energy much better, you know,

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much more mobility going on. And then she would come

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back and flirt with you. She would look you're sitting

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on the floor next to me, and she would just

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look you right in the eyes, like, touch me some more,

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touch me some more, and then she would get a

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little more, and then she would run off and integrate it.

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think of, you know, that model of massage, like you're

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on a table for half an hour or an hour whatever,

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which is wonderful, but the notion of okay, let me

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get a little bit, let me assimilate a little bit,

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let me run around the room like a toddler. Almost.

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especially when we're talking. We're talking about the stay of

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life here, right, It's important to what what do we

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do in life? We move, we live, we move around,

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we breathe, we have feelings, we have emotions, all this

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type of stuff. And so it's like we have a

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common saying, like the adjustment happens off the table, not

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on the table. Oh, we get the fire started on

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the table, But what happens off the table is really

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where the magic happens, because it's your body doing the

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healing same thing. You know, I go do this contact

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or something on sofia and then she runs around and

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she's like, you know, she's probably doing a little thing

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where she's like, oh, this is new. I don't know

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what's happening here, but something feels different, right exactly what

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my clients say. They say it all the time. I

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adjust them. They come back and they like, my symptoms

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aren't better, but I don't. I'm like, all a sudden

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sitting up straighterr. And then my friend said something at

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work that usually aggravates me, and it didn't aggravate me,

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like like something's changing here, and it just kind of

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starts with little stuff like that, and it starts add

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up and accumulating and we start seeing these sustainable changes.

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like infants and such, where it's like sometimes mom brings

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in toddler like two years old or something, and you know,

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I'm like no, and like they're toddler. Just let them

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run around. I'll just follow them like their thing. Let

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them because that's all that's information for me, right, and

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working on Taller's is actually like kind of similar to animals.

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they're very reactive. They don't really have much filtration from

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the ego, like they're just they're just like there their

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present real yeah. Yeah, And it's actually really helpful for

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care because I can see how they respond, right if

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I get into that spot and I'm like, oh, that's

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too much, right, because I can see them reflexively pull

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away and they're like I don't want that, yeah, right,

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kind of notice and get good feedback with that.

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of the ways that animals will communicate with us is

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that they will shift away, move away literally or shift

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their head, turn their eyes away, or in some way

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remove themselves, you know, to put more distance between you

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and the touch or whatever. And this is great information.

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to pay attention as the animal moving towards you, Like

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when Sophia comes and says okay, I'm ready for more,

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or and she'll take a little treatment and then she'll

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move away and I say a little treatment. I'm talking

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Speaker 3: Seconds, right, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's just a few seconds. And what would you

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say you're doing when your hands are on or like

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you found a spot? What's happening in that moment when

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the nervous sister. Nervous system is the conductor of the orchestra. Right,

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not really I mean I literally have it in my

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Massive Gray's Anatomy book. Nervous system is a master control system.

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m hm, nothing changes, right, right. And so what I'm

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doing is I'm bringing awareness in some way of the brain.

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I'm waking up the brain and saying, hey, oh I

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see this, do you see this? And also in the brain,

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ah wait what that's not supposed to be there? And

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then there's some shift. Probably seen this with Sophia, Like

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she goes and then she had a head right, she

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was like whoa, what wasn't that Like? Yeah, because we

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touched something that hasn't been seen in a while and

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kind of got swept on the rug. I sometimes use

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the analogy in my office it's it's kind of like

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dirty laundry you threw under your bed and then you

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forget about it. Brain does the same thing when the

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like I can't handle this, it, you know, throws it

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in the back, and then it often forgets about it

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because it disconnected. Yes, there's a survival strategy. It's the

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body designed to do to try to maintain survival in

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the moment. Yeah, but it never goes back and processes it.

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a natural seems to be almost like magnetic where I'm exploring,

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and then all of a sudden, I go to the

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spot and I'm like, huh, what's there? And as a clinician,

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I'm asking, is this fascia? Is this an organ is

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this the musculature? Is this the joints? And I'm just

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noticing and exploring different options, and I'm noticing when I

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land on one, when I get that like kind of

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yes feeling in my body, I'll hit like fascia or something,

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and all of a sudden it's like oh yeah, And

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then I get this like image of like, oh, this

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is through the fashion of the neck and this was

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this experience, right when I was working on Harry. Yeah,

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Harry's my other dog, my therapy dog and big dog. Yeah,

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go ahead, tell us the story about that was fascinating. Yeah,

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perfect example. And I think it might think Mel was

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next to you probably blew both your minds that I

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immediately knew his history without you guys telling me anything.

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I just put my hands on him and I immediately

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went down to his belly and I'm like, oh, this

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is like trauma, Like this is deep trauma level, not

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like like in in some cases it might be like, oh,

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like dog had a little horse play, got a little

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you know, rough. This was like, oh, this was like

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really scary situation and he thought his life was gonna

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end like that level of stress, right, And I could

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feel it and it felt all the way through the fascia,

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probably down through the front, through the peraneum, all the

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way down to the tailbone mm hmm. And my next

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question was was he neutered, yes, and how was that process?

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in the connective tissue. I know it's in the fascia.

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was really rough surgery in.

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Speaker 2: Fectia that yeah, he almost died. You know. He should

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have been an absolutely routine surgery by a very skilled

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surgeon who does it, you know, all day long, every day.

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But something went wrong and the stitches didn't hold and

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he was open, and it was an emergency situation. So yeah,

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that this was his previous owners. When I got him,

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he was in a house with twelve other dogs, and yeah,

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so they felt that they were going to lose him,

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and I'm sure he felt yeah. So I mean it

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was amazing that one touch you were able to recognize

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the source of trauma. I mean, Harry looks like a

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perfectly happy dog. He's a therapy dog. He makes everybody laugh,

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you know, he's wonderful. He's great. But he has some history,

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as we all do.

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Speaker 3: And oh and it was kind of funny how Harry

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came up to me because he was just he's just

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like plopped down and was like he was like dosy,

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no expected of it, not even like there was no.

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Speaker 2: No introduction, no four plan now and it's like I

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know why you're here, Just get to work on me.

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it was great. It was great, Like he knew, you know,

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I told him you were coming, and you know, he

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watched you work on the donkeys, which we're going to

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hear about in a minute, but he just had that

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immediate feeling of here's my body, go ahead, do me.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And you know, it's partially why it took me off guard,

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the level of trauma I was experiencing on Tom, the

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amount of casualness that he approached me with, because when

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he to me, it was so like, but easy going

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and yeah, you know, it's okay. And then all of

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a sudden, it felt like I touched something jagged and

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it was just like, whoa, what is that? And I

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was on a song. Is this real? I'd like, I

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was quite. I was like, this can't be this intense

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because he's just the easy going, this relaxed Yeah. He

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kept going. I was like, no, this is definitely there's

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something here. Yeah, as they kept going yeah, And so

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it's like there's past trauma, that memory. Our bodies don't

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forget anything, and the reason why is because it stores

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its survival. It goes in the you know, it's like

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your file on get your computer. It says okay, I'll

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just store that for later. And just like probably all

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of us, we have files and files of stuff from

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like oh yeah that was back from two thousand and eight,

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and our bodies do the same thing. It stores it,

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and it's for survival because our body's trying to remember, oh,

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if that situation comes up again, this is how I

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handled it last time, right, But sometimes there's still kind

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of this like half step in between. The body's still

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having the physiological response as if that thing is happening

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and it's not fully in the present. Yes, free is

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not does not have an affection, is not in trauma

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right now, but the body's still kind of holding some

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of that trauma. It's like in this weird half step position,

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like half gear, you know, type of thing, and it

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hasn't fully let itself go. It hasn't let itself relax. Yes,

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So we bring awareness to the area. We just kind

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of like follow it as the brain starts to reconnect

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and says, oh, it's okay. It starts leveling out of

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that freeze state, right, and we see the system start

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to regulate and then it's not holding on for dear life.

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You know, could you imagine if you're like, right before

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a car accident, right, you might be like clutching the wheel.

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Could you imagine if you're just holding yourself like that

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for the rest of your life. Yeah, I kind of

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still am, yeah, yeah, and like you know, and keep

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be coming to say, I don't understand why my neck's

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all theyse tense. Some part of you is still in that.

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Speaker 2: Accident, right exactly. Well, what's interesting about Harry. You know

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how most dogs they love to and our donkeys of course,

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love to have their butt scratch, you know, the back end.

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They love this little Well, Harry doesn't like that, you

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know how he does. It's like, you know, every dog

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loves it, and all the house dogs in our house

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get that. Harry doesn't want it, right, which is fine

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for now. But but what was interesting was that I

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think I I think, you know, because you asked me

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to observe since that it's only been a couple of days,

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but I think he's wagging his tail more, you know,

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like there's there's more tail motion, more more happy tail,

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you know, just in me talking to him. So I'm

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just so thrilled that we could bring him some healing

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because he's such a great dog and you know he

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doesn't need to carry that that that whole history.

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Speaker 3: So that's really great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to take a short little break. When

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we come back, I want you to tell the folks

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about working with our therapy donkeys Rosie and Lily. So

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would be back in just a moment. Don't go anywhere,

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real people, real stories.

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Speaker 4: Our little dog developed this lump problem at the chemotherapy

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lasted for six months, started developing more lymph nose, so

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I thought I'd just try carnivore. If the lymph nose

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started to go down, then I took him into the

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vet to him checked out and there was no signs

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at all.

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Speaker 1: Inside.

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Speaker 6: My cat had issues that developed in his height. And

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three months later my ven airing said this, go ahead

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and remove the eye. I heard the carnivor on advertising,

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so I said, you know what, I'm going to order

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this product.

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Speaker 4: They did the procedure, they did all the death and

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they said, I don't know what you did.

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Speaker 1: This product.

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Speaker 4: They had eye. I've got a labrador.

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Speaker 6: You could hardly lift yourself up off the floor.

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Speaker 3: The treatment was came to therapy. That's when I said

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this could be the ticket.

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Speaker 5: About three weeks you could tell she.

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Speaker 4: Was very alert.

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Speaker 3: She was going on buy my lock and she is

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just like crime again.

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Speaker 1: Hey friends, If you like what you're hearing and want

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Thank you for loving animals. Now back to the show.

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Speaker 7: Let's talk pets on Petlife Radio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to The Human Animal Connection. I'm speaking with

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doctor Keith about energy healing with animals, where we're talking

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through to the nervous system, which, if you didn't know

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any better, you'd think doctor Keith was psychic in his

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ability to immediately put his hands on an animal and

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know exactly what's going on. It's really he's worked on

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now four animals that I know, five animals that I know,

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so I know, and I know all of those animal stories,

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and I know that what he's seen and felt in

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his hands is exactly accurate. And very excited to see

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the healing that happens when doctor Keith awakens the nervous

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system so the body can do its own healing. It's

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very exciting. So tell us about working with Rosie and

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Lily are two miniature therapy donkeys who are rescues that

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we rescued them during the Right after or during the

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LA fires, and they are doing wonderfully. But you were

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able to well, I'll tell the story working with Rosy

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and Lily.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 3: It's fun, especially because different animals have different levels of

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personality in particular. Yeah, and I definitely think I've been

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with a few horses. They're like hyper sensitive. The donkeys

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weren't as much, but they are a little bit. I

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would put them in a more sensitive category for sure.

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Probably even know that more than myself, having built around constantly. Yeah,

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and you know when I first I when I instantly

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realized the connection between them, the bond, when I was

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putting my hands. Uh, I forget which one I was

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putting my hands on first. It might have been Rosy, Yeah,

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I think Rosie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was putting my hands on Mom first, and me

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I could feel the like, not tension, but there was

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like definite awareness, Like looking at Rosie, it was like,

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what's going on over there? It was like some tension

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and I could tell like, Oh, there's like a connection here,

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almost like when baby like looks to mom for like

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is this okay? Is everything all right? You know, like

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there's like a little bit of connection. And I was like, Oh,

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there's like definitely a bond here. And then I was surprised.

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I like went right into their neck. And I've been

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seeing this, it does seem anatomy has a factor where

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things will typically stagnate and get stuck, especially when you're

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talking about just the way because they're quadrupeds, they usually

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the base of their neck that are lifting up these

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huge heads, you know, like especially at an angle, creates

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more weight and so it's not uncommon to find stuff

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in there. And so I went to the base of

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her neck and I'm just paying again, like I said before,

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I'm paying attention to what comes up and meat, and

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my first thing that came up. I was like, whoa, yeah,

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almost like a feeling. I was like, oh, I know

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this feeling in my body which is depressed. Yes, I

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feel unmotivated, I feel yeah, I feel weighted down. And

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I'm like, oh, she feels depressed. And then the flavor

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as I kept feeling into it, this was like, Oh,

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she's like like almost like leaning on somebody else. And

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I was like, that kind of makes sense. I was like,

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first thought, I was like, oh, that kind of makes sense.

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There's therapy donkeys, like they're probably putting a lot of

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energy into other people and youat know, like paying attention.

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But then I was like what And that's when I

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asked you the question, what was her experience with their

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previous situation? Yes, and you said it was kind of like,

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you know, kind of therapy donkey. But also her previous

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owner had cancer and I was like, oh.

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and support donkeys. So they weren't true therapy donkeys in

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the sense that we work with therapy you know, they

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do work with other people, but they were her support system,

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so they had the loss of her. And also you

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recognize that the bond the mother daughter. We hadn't told

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you they were mother daughter when you first started working

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with them. And what's interesting, they'll do almost like dolphins.

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They'll move in sync about eighty percent of the time.

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They'll they'll look together, eat, put their head down to eat,

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put their head up to look at some noise, turn back.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: They they move in sync a lot. Not all the time,

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of course, But so you said you got to you

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felt that on that is pretty deep. And then you

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also felt that they were carrying some depression from some

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of their past. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it felt like not exactly compersion is emotion,

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but but it's like like Rosie was feeling an experience

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that somebody else is feeling, and like almost experiencing yourself,

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like feeling sad that somebody else is sad. Like that

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was the flavor of it, right, And when you said, oh,

473
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,039
previous owner had cancer, I was like, oh, she was

474
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,240
like flitting a lot of energy into like trying to

475
00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:37,880
caretake yeah, previous owner, And I was like whoa. I

476
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,640
was like, oh my gosh, there's a lot here, just

477
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,119
kind of staying present with it and just noticing, okay,

478
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,720
what's going on here. And then you know, there's a

479
00:22:45,759 --> 00:22:48,319
few times and sometimes stuff is like really mechanical. Sometimes

480
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:49,720
it's not the emotional thing.

481
00:22:50,079 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 2: Right.

482
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 3: One of the things I don't know if you noticed,

483
00:22:52,279 --> 00:22:53,960
was I was really trying to draw her neck into

484
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,119
different position. Yes, I saw that, and I really wanted

485
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,880
for like explore again, we're trying to wake up the brain, right, explore,

486
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,519
And so I was really in this like what we

487
00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:04,559
call lateral reflection. I was really trying to pull her

488
00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:06,960
neck and they got way more mobility. They can take

489
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,519
their neck away more than we can as humans. Yeah,

490
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,440
really just trying to explore, like, oh, what's that feeling

491
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,759
in the base of my neck here? Like let's let's

492
00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:18,079
keep going here, let's keep going and just keep moving

493
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,880
with it. And however her body wants to integrate that,

494
00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:23,680
you know. Typically like when I have humans come in,

495
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,519
I have to like coordinate them, like, hey, stretch a

496
00:23:26,519 --> 00:23:28,960
little bit, hey, like your body. Hey, notice when the

497
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,880
breath comes in. Hey eo, I kind of have to

498
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,839
queue a little bit. Animal they just do it right,

499
00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:37,000
the idio suppressing, so they'll kind of know like, oh,

500
00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:38,839
I kind of want to move now, Oh I want

501
00:23:38,839 --> 00:23:40,640
to do this. Oh it's just like this reaction.

502
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, great, and it was it was It was fun

503
00:23:43,519 --> 00:23:45,319
to watch too, because you'd work on them a little

504
00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:47,319
and then they'd move away, you know, not like a

505
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,759
way away, but just a few feet away, and then

506
00:23:49,799 --> 00:23:52,960
they'd come back and there was this weaving pattern which

507
00:23:53,079 --> 00:23:55,960
I think is so beautiful to watch, the way the

508
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,839
animals know Okay, now I'm ready for another touch or no,

509
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,680
I need to integrate that move a little. And it's

510
00:24:01,759 --> 00:24:04,519
so inspiring to watch. It's like a dance, you know,

511
00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:06,440
in terms of I receive enterance.

512
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, pret much a dance. It's yeah, dance. Yeah,

513
00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:11,559
there's some sensitivity.

514
00:24:11,599 --> 00:24:11,799
Speaker 1: You know.

515
00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 3: You go to the nightclub and then you start dancing

516
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,920
with somebody and you're like, this guy's a total creep,

517
00:24:16,519 --> 00:24:18,640
you know, like I need to come in with the

518
00:24:18,759 --> 00:24:21,960
energy of like hey, like this is your permission, like

519
00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:24,519
you don't like you can stop this at any time,

520
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,720
Like you have space, Like I need to be attentive

521
00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:30,440
and this is uh, this is the power for me

522
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,039
of working on animals is you get really life feedback.

523
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:39,440
So if you're coming in too aggressively, animals be like nope, nope, nope, no,

524
00:24:39,559 --> 00:24:44,400
what you're doing, don't back off, you know, and that's typical.

525
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,240
You know, if another human does that to you, where

526
00:24:46,279 --> 00:24:48,680
they like really get ace. You know, if I just

527
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,720
meet somebody randomly and try to start working on them,

528
00:24:50,759 --> 00:24:53,119
that's kind of what you know, and dude like back off.

529
00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:55,720
The same exact thing of the animals, it's like I

530
00:24:55,799 --> 00:24:59,200
need permission, so like it's usually the first question I

531
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,279
ask internally. I'm like, do I have permission to work

532
00:25:02,319 --> 00:25:04,720
on you? It's really rare that I get to know,

533
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,880
but I have gotten to know before on a cage,

534
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,079
or it's just like don't touch me really, And it's

535
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,400
usually it's the animals have had some type of really

536
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,200
severe level of trauma that like they just they're like,

537
00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:20,039
I need to avoid humans. I need to avoid people.

538
00:25:20,279 --> 00:25:22,319
I'm going to do my own thing. Usually see that

539
00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:25,640
with like cats often that right. Cats are very individualizing

540
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,200
their energy. They're very like yeah, you know type of thing.

541
00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:33,160
And I'm really noticing what comes up in me when

542
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,599
I asked that question, like is it a fitwork on you?

543
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,440
Is it like a oh, like I just stepped in

544
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,079
the hot tub and I'm in an experience where I'm like, oh, yeah,

545
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,319
everything's cool, Like this is no problem, you know, So

546
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,160
I'm just being attentive as we go through with that.

547
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,359
It was fun getting to Lily Uh in particular because

548
00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:54,720
she I immediately got to her throat and it was

549
00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:57,119
all this bash up in her throat. Actually, it was

550
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,119
kind of like similar neck thing going on that I

551
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,680
felt this like line of connective tissue all the way

552
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:05,680
up into the neck under your jaw really holding. And

553
00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:09,160
it's actually pretty common because it's funny. I actually just

554
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,559
realize this connected to network. But what I was getting

555
00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:14,680
was anger or like snubbornness. Yes, And I was like,

556
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,519
oh my gosh. And that's why I asked her. I

557
00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:17,839
was like, how old is she? Because I was like,

558
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,440
this is like teenager stubbornness. Yeah, Like she's a fifteen

559
00:26:21,519 --> 00:26:23,799
sixteen year old girl that's like wants to be like

560
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,000
stuck up and like right being a little bit you know,

561
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:28,400
like a sudden Yeah.

562
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, we call her sassity. We call her sassy, which

563
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,839
was the word you used it was the bath or

564
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,039
you used you because she's got that. Yeah, she got that.

565
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 3: Yeah. And actually typically in network, the phase or the

566
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,599
typical postural normal see with frustration is usually the lower

567
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,480
cervical gets involved. And what happens is that chin translates forward,

568
00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:49,559
the neck translates ford, and all this tension comes up

569
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:53,440
the front. We typically start grating our teeth because we're angry. Yeah,

570
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,839
and that's kind of the hostule tension. So I just

571
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,960
actually realized that. When I was talking about it, I

572
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,480
was like, actually, that's consistent with that work, yeah, which

573
00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:04,519
is kind of silly. But as I kept working, I

574
00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:07,160
definitely noticed that energy. And what's crazy is I didn't

575
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,599
see it coming in. I had no idea about that.

576
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:12,319
And then I forget who. I was talking to one

577
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:14,799
of the other women that was there, and she was like, oh, yeah,

578
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:19,400
she's totally attention needy, like yeah, he stuff. I was like,

579
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,240
oh cool, So no media. I was just like kind

580
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,039
of exploring here and noticing what came up. And if

581
00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:28,319
I sit on these contacts, I'm just holding and waiting

582
00:27:28,319 --> 00:27:31,640
for them to release. Wow, I'm just holding, and I'm like,

583
00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:33,559
is there something more to explore here?

584
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 7: Yeah?

585
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,319
Speaker 3: Is there something more that we need to notice here?

586
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:37,839
Do I need to change my pressure? Do it? And

587
00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:40,400
I'm just changing as we're going along, and then at

588
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,319
some point it feels like it almost it almost like

589
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,359
vanishes it's just like aweso ah, that feeling, that experience,

590
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,680
just likef And also I'm not like my hands don't

591
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,519
want to attract to the area anymore. There's like enough,

592
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,599
and then I just kind of like again we go

593
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,680
back to observation. And that's why I persicualarly. I told

594
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,839
you for both of them, like watch their next of

595
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,160
the next day. You might see them doing some interesting

596
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,519
stuff where they're like moving a little bit more.

597
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 2: They were very vocal the next day, they were like

598
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,200
they have a lot to say. Yeah, that was great

599
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,640
ireat Yeah, Well, let's maybe get people some tips that

600
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:16,960
they're listening, you know, even though they're not a professional practitioners,

601
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:19,839
just not working professionally, but just with their own animals,

602
00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:22,599
how can they begin to kind of wake up their

603
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,359
hands in the way that your hands are awake. How

604
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,079
can they begin to listen, how can they begin to feel?

605
00:28:28,519 --> 00:28:30,480
What could you say to people to just practice with

606
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:33,880
their own animals. I think it's a powerful skill just

607
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,839
in general to do this, even with your own body.

608
00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:39,799
And it's actually kind of part of a somatic integration work.

609
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,480
That's like there's a whole nother branch of that which

610
00:28:43,519 --> 00:28:47,279
is Basically we're listening and watching. That's all we're doing.

611
00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:49,359
So like if someone's in a lot of pain, I

612
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,000
use this all the time. Actually never, I've only taken

613
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,200
a pain killer once in my life.

614
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,759
Speaker 3: So when I got I wasn't teeth told out, but

615
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,759
I don't. I've never taken an advil, tailan all or

616
00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:01,519
anything like that. Never, And I was like, well, I

617
00:29:01,599 --> 00:29:03,680
kind of need a method of pain relief, and this

618
00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:05,440
is the method I use on myself. I was in

619
00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:07,720
I not a ten pain. I injured my back at

620
00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:10,599
some point I couldn't walk and I never took a

621
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,119
painkiller for it because I knew how to manage my pain.

622
00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:15,599
I knew how to be with my pain, and this

623
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,960
is how I do it. And it's listening. It's really

624
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,720
that simple. I know this sounds crazy. Literally well yeah,

625
00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:23,640
just listening.

626
00:29:24,319 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: So let's talk what is listening to pain? What does

627
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:29,440
that mean in terms of tell me how you listen

628
00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:30,240
to your pain.

629
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: And to give people like a sentence stem, I'm noticing,

630
00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:39,039
I'm noticing link, I'm noticing it feels compressed in my

631
00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:43,000
rib page. I noticed this like a stinging, stabbing pain.

632
00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:47,720
It feels like it's like around this area. It's about

633
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:51,079
two inches wide. I'm just gonna stay with it. Kind

634
00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:54,640
of noticed it. Maybe it feels bubbly, feels sharp, it

635
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:59,440
feels stinging, and you're you're bringing some awareness to just

636
00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:02,599
like what is this experience? Like? Now we can do

637
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,160
this meditatively with our own bodies, which is great. And

638
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,279
what you do is you start extending that past yourself.

639
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,319
So you place your hands on an animal and you're

640
00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:14,240
noticing what am I noticing when I place my hands here?

641
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,039
Mm hm oh, I'm noticing my hands like want to

642
00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:21,480
go to their pelvis. Oh, it's interesting. Oh, it's almost

643
00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:24,240
like the base of their tail. What's going on here?

644
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:24,559
Speaker 4: Oh?

645
00:30:24,599 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 3: That's interesting? What am I noticing come up in me?

646
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,119
I'm noticing there's like some sharp anxiety coming up. Well,

647
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:35,599
what's that? What's there? That's itly, So what I recommend

648
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,039
is this one listen openly, not trying to figure out

649
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,759
this is like hard to see, like right, And you

650
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:43,559
probably have this issue come up when you're working with

651
00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:45,279
people all the time. Is they're like, oh, my dog

652
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:48,880
thinks this, geez, you know, my animal thinks this, you know,

653
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,440
and it's like no, no, no, no, like give them some

654
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,079
space for the answer to show up.

655
00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:53,799
Speaker 5: Right.

656
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the trick is not to think about what

657
00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:00,960
you're feeling, but to feel what you're feeling without judging

658
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,119
it saying it's good or bad or anything like that.

659
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, not that moment before interpretation.

660
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 4: Right.

661
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,559
Speaker 3: Usually we notice things and then we interpret and it

662
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:14,519
becomes it's fine. And we're trying to slow down that

663
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:18,400
process where we're just in that space of noticing. We're like, oh,

664
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:20,799
and that's why I give the sentence to them. I'm noticing,

665
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,920
I'm noticing them drawn to their belly, I'm noticing I

666
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:27,400
want to like dig my fingers a little deeper. I'm

667
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:33,480
noticing just like, huh interesting, Yeah, just move with curiosity. Yea, fascinating.

668
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: So this is something you can use for yourself and

669
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,480
with your animals, is to simply listen with your fingers

670
00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:42,039
is maybe way we could put it, you know, to

671
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,079
just put your hands on the animal and notice this

672
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,799
part feels warm or cool or tense or soft or

673
00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:53,240
soishy or whatever, and without having it to have any meaning.

674
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,599
We're not looking to analyze it. We're not looking to

675
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,000
diagnose or prescribe, or we're just how does it feel? Oh,

676
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:02,559
it's changing. Now I had my hands there for a

677
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:05,720
couple of seconds and it was cool, and now it's warm, okay,

678
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:07,599
or now I feel like moving up, or now I

679
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:10,240
feel like moving back or yeah, so this is really

680
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:12,200
something great. I think we should have you teach a

681
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,799
class in this because I think everybody would want to

682
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:15,359
learn this.

683
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 3: And I'd love to share a little story about how

684
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,000
I really discovered this on my own kind of. I

685
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,839
learned it through. I was listening to Donnie Epstein, which

686
00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:27,240
who created a network spinyl on which is the technique

687
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,160
I do, And I was listening to him talk and

688
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,880
he talked about He's like, he starts talking about this

689
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,839
thing called alexthymia, and I'm like, oh gosh, okay, here

690
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,880
he comes a big word. I'm like, alex symia.

691
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 4: Right.

692
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:46,599
Speaker 3: Alextheymia is specifically a lack of ability to describe your experience.

693
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,880
It's usually with like poststroke patients or some type of

694
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,599
neurological dysfunction, like on the extreme end, right. And you'll

695
00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:57,200
go to these clients and what will be is you'll say, hey,

696
00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:01,440
how does the symptom feel, and be like, it's it's

697
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:07,359
almost a it's a you know, it's and that they

698
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,279
struggle so much to describe what they're experiencing and what

699
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,599
was noticed statistically, this is really cool. The people who

700
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:19,720
had higher rates lexthymia had worse prognosis. That means they

701
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,359
were probably worse off if they couldn't describe their experience.

702
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,039
Why would that be right? And what Donnie started to

703
00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:31,200
put pointing to was He's like, basically, the brain can't

704
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:35,319
understand fully what's going on, so you can't describe it fully.

705
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,319
What does that mean? If we couldn't really truly get

706
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in connection and experience our body, it's a sign our

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nervous system is creating a neural network to really understand

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itself and there's a higher chance that you're probably gonna heal.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that is an important part. So when I'm talking

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with a client, right, I asked him, I say, what

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does it feel like when they start struggling? I'm like, yeah,

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a bit of that going on. It's not like, yeah,

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well gray, but there's something right right.

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Speaker 2: Fascinating, fascinating, fascinating the potential of connecting up the nervous

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system for healing for ourselves and others. And this has

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been great, Doctor Keitha. People want to find you. What's

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your website so they can get in touch with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Limitless Networkspinal dot com.

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Speaker 2: Limitless Network Spinal dot com.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Well, I.

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Speaker 2: Want to thank you so much. I think we've just

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scratched the surface here. We're going to have to have

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you on again. So thank you for being a guest

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on The Human Animal Connection.

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Speaker 3: Of course, thank you, We'll see you next time buying out.

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