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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, welcome to the Human Animal Connection Podcast. I'm
your host and the executive director of the Human Animal
Connection Jeanie Joseph, and I'm so excited to talk to
doctor Keith. He does amazing work. He's going to tell
you about all the modalities that he does. But today
we're going to talk about energy healing with animals, which
is just so much fun because, as you know, animals
don't generally talk to us in language and words, so
we have to really pay attention to what their body
is telling us. And I'll tell you all about working
with doctor Keith. Well, doctor Keith, thank you for being
the guests on the show. Would you please tell all
the audience just a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 3: I'm not going Keith Blochan. I am coming up in
my fifth year of practice here. I specialize particularly in
a technique called network spinal, which deals with light touches
along the spine to basically initiate the brain and body
to self correct and activate that natural healing system.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: It cut your hand at heels, so body already has
capacity heel. Let's activate that. Let's get that working and optimized.
So that's my primary thing. I pretty much knew this,
I was since I was young. I knew I wanted
to go into chiropractic, I didn't know network spinal. And
it's been a life pursuit of really trying to understand
this weird thing we call the human system. And yeah,
this' is a weird thing, all right, Yeah, and that
tracks over to larger, broader into nature. Right, human system
is we're seeing an expression of human like mother nature
doing its thing, same thing with animals. So it's kind
of like one of the beautiful things is we're watching
nature happen in real time. And so my study, one
of my favorite lines, and I think this really hits
it on the nail best is medicine is a study
of disease and how a man dies. Chiropractice does a
study of life and how a man lives. It's not bad,
but just what I do is I study life. Yeah,
understand the top of life work.
Speaker 2: Interested in the life force, interested in seeing how it
can work better, seeing where there's blocks to communication in
the body, and so on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I think what's really interesting is that although you
are a chiropractor, you're not a popping and cracking chiropractor.
You're working with the nervous system directly, which means very
subtle work, which I'm very excited about because recently I
was in a car accident and have whiplash and a concussion,
and everybody knows what that's all about it But thank
god I met you and I was able to bring
in my dog, Sofia. So you've been working on me
and you've been working on Sofia. Sophia is a twelve
year old dog and she has some mobility issue use
and some issues related to old age. So tell us
a little bit about what it's been like for you,
how you've been working with Sophia.
Speaker 3: I use a little bit different process than I do
in rather than network spinal and really it's following this
original concept that was just mentioning It's like mother nature
is intelligent. It kind of made all of you, and
it's still continuing the process. So how can we lean
into that intuition and that trust. And so I start
by just like literally putting my hands on her and
I'm just noticing what's coming up in me, what's coming
up in her, and then we just kind of see
where it goes. We just kind of like, oh, I'm
noticing i want to like put my hands on our leg. Oh,
I'm noticing i want to compress her a little bit.
And I'm just noticing and watching how she responds to that.
And Okay, certain things will come up, especially as we
start to work, I'll feel emotions come up all of sudden.
I'll feel really angry. I'm feeling angry. I'm like, oh,
there's something. There's anger in the air, there's lingering, and
it's it's not really that complicated. I mean, you know
when you walk in a room and they're like, oh
my gosh, what happened? There's something intuitibly there. They're like
did someone die? You know, like there's like a joke
going on. Yeah, but how did you know?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: You know it wasn't something particularly, You just have this
like vibe sense. It is like a general feeling. And
so what we're doing is we're maximizing that skill set.
We're maximizing this intuitive knowingness that seems to be with
all of us and really listening and noticing, huh, I'm
noticing I want to go here. Oh, I'm noticing she's Oh,
she's like getting resistant to that. We something, there's something there,
something going on, And especially like the first time I
put my hands on Sophia, I was like, who'd she get? Like, like,
did who'd she get attacked by? That was my first
thought right telling the story a little bit, and I
was like, it felt like a bigger dog had came
on in like bitter nose or like tried to pin
her down or something. Yeah, it felt like I could
feel the anxiety of that, and that experience just like
almost like rushed into me. I was like, and it's
so clear, it just kind of comes up. And now
that's just me paying attention to what comes up. I
don't know if that's true. And that's why I asked.
I'm like, what happened? And then you start telling me
the story and I'm like, whoa, that's crazy, Like yes.
Speaker 2: So just for our listeners, Sophia was a feral dog.
She had a pretty rough life before I got her.
She was in several shelters. She was pretty wild at first.
You know, I had to if I had people come
over to my house, I had to strap her to
my waist because she turned into kujo. And we're talking
about a twenty pound dog here. So yeah, So she
had quite a history. And it was fascinating to watch
you because if you were just observing from the outside,
we'd say, oh, he's barely touching her. He's just doing
these light little touches. But what was interesting is you
began to feel her story as you touched her body
through feeling what the feelings were being triggered in you,
like your fields were merged or your intuition was merged,
and you could sense her history. So yeah, and what's
really funny is that when we first you started working
on her in her little carriage. We'll show those pictures
and then we put her on the floor while you
were working on me, and she would go run around
all happy, now, all bouncy, her energy much better, you know,
much more mobility going on. And then she would come
back and flirt with you. She would look you're sitting
on the floor next to me, and she would just
look you right in the eyes, like, touch me some more,
touch me some more, and then she would get a
little more, and then she would run off and integrate it.
Which I thought was so fascinating because it's like we
think of, you know, that model of massage, like you're
on a table for half an hour or an hour whatever,
which is wonderful, but the notion of okay, let me
get a little bit, let me assimilate a little bit,
let me run around the room like a toddler. Almost.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's funny to watch. It's important to you,
especially when we're talking. We're talking about the stay of
life here, right, It's important to what what do we
do in life? We move, we live, we move around,
we breathe, we have feelings, we have emotions, all this
type of stuff. And so it's like we have a
common saying, like the adjustment happens off the table, not
on the table. Oh, we get the fire started on
the table, But what happens off the table is really
where the magic happens, because it's your body doing the
healing same thing. You know, I go do this contact
or something on sofia and then she runs around and
she's like, you know, she's probably doing a little thing
where she's like, oh, this is new. I don't know
what's happening here, but something feels different, right exactly what
my clients say. They say it all the time. I
adjust them. They come back and they like, my symptoms
aren't better, but I don't. I'm like, all a sudden
sitting up straighterr. And then my friend said something at
work that usually aggravates me, and it didn't aggravate me,
like like something's changing here, and it just kind of
starts with little stuff like that, and it starts add
up and accumulating and we start seeing these sustainable changes.
And so you're kind of seeing that in real time.
And you know, I mentioned this a little bit with
like infants and such, where it's like sometimes mom brings
in toddler like two years old or something, and you know,
Mom's like, oh, do you need me to keep them still?
I'm like no, and like they're toddler. Just let them
run around. I'll just follow them like their thing. Let
them because that's all that's information for me, right, and
working on Taller's is actually like kind of similar to animals.
They kind of like emotional energy is really high, like
they're very reactive. They don't really have much filtration from
the ego, like they're just they're just like there their
present real yeah. Yeah, And it's actually really helpful for
care because I can see how they respond, right if
I get into that spot and I'm like, oh, that's
too much, right, because I can see them reflexively pull
away and they're like I don't want that, yeah, right,
kind of notice and get good feedback with that.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's such important data because this is one
of the ways that animals will communicate with us is
that they will shift away, move away literally or shift
their head, turn their eyes away, or in some way
remove themselves, you know, to put more distance between you
and the touch or whatever. And this is great information.
So when people are working with animals, they really want
to pay attention as the animal moving towards you, Like
when Sophia comes and says okay, I'm ready for more,
or and she'll take a little treatment and then she'll
move away and I say a little treatment. I'm talking
about maybe ten.
Speaker 3: Seconds, right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's just a few seconds. And what would you
say you're doing when your hands are on or like
you found a spot? What's happening in that moment when
your hands are on her?
Speaker 3: Yeah. So we have this premise in chiropractic, which is
the nervous sister. Nervous system is the conductor of the orchestra. Right,
And this is kind of like a new concept, it's
not really I mean I literally have it in my
Massive Gray's Anatomy book. Nervous system is a master control system.
So if this thing is not aware of what's off
m hm, nothing changes, right, right. And so what I'm
doing is I'm bringing awareness in some way of the brain.
I'm waking up the brain and saying, hey, oh I
see this, do you see this? And also in the brain,
ah wait what that's not supposed to be there? And
then there's some shift. Probably seen this with Sophia, Like
she goes and then she had a head right, she
was like whoa, what wasn't that Like? Yeah, because we
touched something that hasn't been seen in a while and
kind of got swept on the rug. I sometimes use
the analogy in my office it's it's kind of like
dirty laundry you threw under your bed and then you
forget about it. Brain does the same thing when the
like I can't handle this, it, you know, throws it
in the back, and then it often forgets about it
because it disconnected. Yes, there's a survival strategy. It's the
body designed to do to try to maintain survival in
the moment. Yeah, but it never goes back and processes it.
So I get into these spots. I'm just noticing there's
a natural seems to be almost like magnetic where I'm exploring,
and then all of a sudden, I go to the
spot and I'm like, huh, what's there? And as a clinician,
I'm asking, is this fascia? Is this an organ is
this the musculature? Is this the joints? And I'm just
noticing and exploring different options, and I'm noticing when I
land on one, when I get that like kind of
yes feeling in my body, I'll hit like fascia or something,
and all of a sudden it's like oh yeah, And
then I get this like image of like, oh, this
is through the fashion of the neck and this was
this experience, right when I was working on Harry. Yeah,
Harry's my other dog, my therapy dog and big dog. Yeah,
go ahead, tell us the story about that was fascinating. Yeah,
perfect example. And I think it might think Mel was
next to you probably blew both your minds that I
immediately knew his history without you guys telling me anything.
I just put my hands on him and I immediately
went down to his belly and I'm like, oh, this
is like trauma, Like this is deep trauma level, not
like like in in some cases it might be like, oh,
like dog had a little horse play, got a little
you know, rough. This was like, oh, this was like
really scary situation and he thought his life was gonna
end like that level of stress, right, And I could
feel it and it felt all the way through the fascia,
probably down through the front, through the peraneum, all the
way down to the tailbone mm hmm. And my next
question was was he neutered, yes, and how was that process?
Because I was like, there's something really intense down here.
I don't know what it is, but I know it's
in the connective tissue. I know it's in the fascia.
Right immediately you said yes, when he got neutered, it
was really rough surgery in.
Speaker 2: Fectia that yeah, he almost died. You know. He should
have been an absolutely routine surgery by a very skilled
surgeon who does it, you know, all day long, every day.
But something went wrong and the stitches didn't hold and
he was open, and it was an emergency situation. So yeah,
that this was his previous owners. When I got him,
he was in a house with twelve other dogs, and yeah,
so they felt that they were going to lose him,
and I'm sure he felt yeah. So I mean it
was amazing that one touch you were able to recognize
the source of trauma. I mean, Harry looks like a
perfectly happy dog. He's a therapy dog. He makes everybody laugh,
you know, he's wonderful. He's great. But he has some history,
as we all do.
Speaker 3: And oh and it was kind of funny how Harry
came up to me because he was just he's just
like plopped down and was like he was like dosy,
no expected of it, not even like there was no.
Speaker 2: No introduction, no four plan now and it's like I
know why you're here, Just get to work on me.
But that they thought that was Yeah, it was okay,
it was great. It was great, Like he knew, you know,
I told him you were coming, and you know, he
watched you work on the donkeys, which we're going to
hear about in a minute, but he just had that
immediate feeling of here's my body, go ahead, do me.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's partially why it took me off guard,
the level of trauma I was experiencing on Tom, the
amount of casualness that he approached me with, because when
he to me, it was so like, but easy going
and yeah, you know, it's okay. And then all of
a sudden, it felt like I touched something jagged and
it was just like, whoa, what is that? And I
was on a song. Is this real? I'd like, I
was quite. I was like, this can't be this intense
because he's just the easy going, this relaxed Yeah. He
kept going. I was like, no, this is definitely there's
something here. Yeah, as they kept going yeah, And so
it's like there's past trauma, that memory. Our bodies don't
forget anything, and the reason why is because it stores
its survival. It goes in the you know, it's like
your file on get your computer. It says okay, I'll
just store that for later. And just like probably all
of us, we have files and files of stuff from
like oh yeah that was back from two thousand and eight,
Like I forgot that with files even here, you know,
and our bodies do the same thing. It stores it,
and it's for survival because our body's trying to remember, oh,
if that situation comes up again, this is how I
handled it last time, right, But sometimes there's still kind
of this like half step in between. The body's still
having the physiological response as if that thing is happening
and it's not fully in the present. Yes, free is
not does not have an affection, is not in trauma
right now, but the body's still kind of holding some
of that trauma. It's like in this weird half step position,
like half gear, you know, type of thing, and it
hasn't fully let itself go. It hasn't let itself relax. Yes,
So we bring awareness to the area. We just kind
of like follow it as the brain starts to reconnect
and says, oh, it's okay. It starts leveling out of
that freeze state, right, and we see the system start
to regulate and then it's not holding on for dear life.
You know, could you imagine if you're like, right before
a car accident, right, you might be like clutching the wheel.
Could you imagine if you're just holding yourself like that
for the rest of your life. Yeah, I kind of
still am, yeah, yeah, and like you know, and keep
be coming to say, I don't understand why my neck's
all theyse tense. Some part of you is still in that.
Speaker 2: Accident, right exactly. Well, what's interesting about Harry. You know
how most dogs they love to and our donkeys of course,
love to have their butt scratch, you know, the back end.
They love this little Well, Harry doesn't like that, you
know how he does. It's like, you know, every dog
loves it, and all the house dogs in our house
get that. Harry doesn't want it, right, which is fine
for now. But but what was interesting was that I
think I I think, you know, because you asked me
to observe since that it's only been a couple of days,
but I think he's wagging his tail more, you know,
like there's there's more tail motion, more more happy tail,
you know, just in me talking to him. So I'm
just so thrilled that we could bring him some healing
because he's such a great dog and you know he
doesn't need to carry that that that whole history.
Speaker 3: So that's really great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to take a short little break. When
we come back, I want you to tell the folks
about working with our therapy donkeys Rosie and Lily. So
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to The Human Animal Connection. I'm speaking with
doctor Keith about energy healing with animals, where we're talking
through to the nervous system, which, if you didn't know
any better, you'd think doctor Keith was psychic in his
ability to immediately put his hands on an animal and
know exactly what's going on. It's really he's worked on
now four animals that I know, five animals that I know,
so I know, and I know all of those animal stories,
and I know that what he's seen and felt in
his hands is exactly accurate. And very excited to see
the healing that happens when doctor Keith awakens the nervous
system so the body can do its own healing. It's
very exciting. So tell us about working with Rosie and
Lily are two miniature therapy donkeys who are rescues that
we rescued them during the Right after or during the
LA fires, and they are doing wonderfully. But you were
able to well, I'll tell the story working with Rosy
and Lily.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: It's fun, especially because different animals have different levels of
personality in particular. Yeah, and I definitely think I've been
with a few horses. They're like hyper sensitive. The donkeys
weren't as much, but they are a little bit. I
would put them in a more sensitive category for sure.
Probably even know that more than myself, having built around constantly. Yeah,
and you know when I first I when I instantly
realized the connection between them, the bond, when I was
putting my hands. Uh, I forget which one I was
putting my hands on first. It might have been Rosy, Yeah,
I think Rosie.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was putting my hands on Mom first, and me
I could feel the like, not tension, but there was
like definite awareness, Like looking at Rosie, it was like,
what's going on over there? It was like some tension
and I could tell like, Oh, there's like a connection here,
almost like when baby like looks to mom for like
is this okay? Is everything all right? You know, like
there's like a little bit of connection. And I was like, Oh,
there's like definitely a bond here. And then I was surprised.
I like went right into their neck. And I've been
seeing this, it does seem anatomy has a factor where
things will typically stagnate and get stuck, especially when you're
talking about just the way because they're quadrupeds, they usually
the base of their neck that are lifting up these
huge heads, you know, like especially at an angle, creates
more weight and so it's not uncommon to find stuff
in there. And so I went to the base of
her neck and I'm just paying again, like I said before,
I'm paying attention to what comes up and meat, and
my first thing that came up. I was like, whoa, yeah,
almost like a feeling. I was like, oh, I know
this feeling in my body which is depressed. Yes, I
feel unmotivated, I feel yeah, I feel weighted down. And
I'm like, oh, she feels depressed. And then the flavor
as I kept feeling into it, this was like, Oh,
she's like like almost like leaning on somebody else. And
I was like, that kind of makes sense. I was like,
first thought, I was like, oh, that kind of makes sense.
There's therapy donkeys, like they're probably putting a lot of
energy into other people and youat know, like paying attention.
But then I was like what And that's when I
asked you the question, what was her experience with their
previous situation? Yes, and you said it was kind of like,
you know, kind of therapy donkey. But also her previous
owner had cancer and I was like, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, previous owner passed away and they were her comfort
and support donkeys. So they weren't true therapy donkeys in
the sense that we work with therapy you know, they
do work with other people, but they were her support system,
so they had the loss of her. And also you
recognize that the bond the mother daughter. We hadn't told
you they were mother daughter when you first started working
with them. And what's interesting, they'll do almost like dolphins.
They'll move in sync about eighty percent of the time.
They'll they'll look together, eat, put their head down to eat,
put their head up to look at some noise, turn back.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: They they move in sync a lot. Not all the time,
of course, But so you said you got to you
felt that on that is pretty deep. And then you
also felt that they were carrying some depression from some
of their past. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it felt like not exactly compersion is emotion,
but but it's like like Rosie was feeling an experience
that somebody else is feeling, and like almost experiencing yourself,
like feeling sad that somebody else is sad. Like that
was the flavor of it, right, And when you said, oh,
previous owner had cancer, I was like, oh, she was
like flitting a lot of energy into like trying to
caretake yeah, previous owner, And I was like whoa. I
was like, oh my gosh, there's a lot here, just
kind of staying present with it and just noticing, okay,
what's going on here. And then you know, there's a
few times and sometimes stuff is like really mechanical. Sometimes
it's not the emotional thing.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: One of the things I don't know if you noticed,
was I was really trying to draw her neck into
different position. Yes, I saw that, and I really wanted
for like explore again, we're trying to wake up the brain, right, explore,
And so I was really in this like what we
call lateral reflection. I was really trying to pull her
neck and they got way more mobility. They can take
their neck away more than we can as humans. Yeah,
really just trying to explore, like, oh, what's that feeling
in the base of my neck here? Like let's let's
keep going here, let's keep going and just keep moving
with it. And however her body wants to integrate that,
you know. Typically like when I have humans come in,
I have to like coordinate them, like, hey, stretch a
little bit, hey, like your body. Hey, notice when the
breath comes in. Hey eo, I kind of have to
queue a little bit. Animal they just do it right,
the idio suppressing, so they'll kind of know like, oh,
I kind of want to move now, Oh I want
to do this. Oh it's just like this reaction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great, and it was it was It was fun
to watch too, because you'd work on them a little
and then they'd move away, you know, not like a
way away, but just a few feet away, and then
they'd come back and there was this weaving pattern which
I think is so beautiful to watch, the way the
animals know Okay, now I'm ready for another touch or no,
I need to integrate that move a little. And it's
so inspiring to watch. It's like a dance, you know,
in terms of I receive enterance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, pret much a dance. It's yeah, dance. Yeah,
there's some sensitivity.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: You go to the nightclub and then you start dancing
with somebody and you're like, this guy's a total creep,
you know, like I need to come in with the
energy of like hey, like this is your permission, like
you don't like you can stop this at any time,
Like you have space, Like I need to be attentive
and this is uh, this is the power for me
of working on animals is you get really life feedback.
So if you're coming in too aggressively, animals be like nope, nope, nope, no,
what you're doing, don't back off, you know, and that's typical.
You know, if another human does that to you, where
they like really get ace. You know, if I just
meet somebody randomly and try to start working on them,
that's kind of what you know, and dude like back off.
The same exact thing of the animals, it's like I
need permission, so like it's usually the first question I
ask internally. I'm like, do I have permission to work
on you? It's really rare that I get to know,
but I have gotten to know before on a cage,
or it's just like don't touch me really, And it's
usually it's the animals have had some type of really
severe level of trauma that like they just they're like,
I need to avoid humans. I need to avoid people.
I'm going to do my own thing. Usually see that
with like cats often that right. Cats are very individualizing
their energy. They're very like yeah, you know type of thing.
And I'm really noticing what comes up in me when
I asked that question, like is it a fitwork on you?
Is it like a oh, like I just stepped in
the hot tub and I'm in an experience where I'm like, oh, yeah,
everything's cool, Like this is no problem, you know, So
I'm just being attentive as we go through with that.
It was fun getting to Lily Uh in particular because
she I immediately got to her throat and it was
all this bash up in her throat. Actually, it was
kind of like similar neck thing going on that I
felt this like line of connective tissue all the way
up into the neck under your jaw really holding. And
it's actually pretty common because it's funny. I actually just
realize this connected to network. But what I was getting
was anger or like snubbornness. Yes, And I was like,
oh my gosh. And that's why I asked her. I
was like, how old is she? Because I was like,
this is like teenager stubbornness. Yeah, Like she's a fifteen
sixteen year old girl that's like wants to be like
stuck up and like right being a little bit you know,
like a sudden Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we call her sassity. We call her sassy, which
was the word you used it was the bath or
you used you because she's got that. Yeah, she got that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And actually typically in network, the phase or the
typical postural normal see with frustration is usually the lower
cervical gets involved. And what happens is that chin translates forward,
the neck translates ford, and all this tension comes up
the front. We typically start grating our teeth because we're angry. Yeah,
and that's kind of the hostule tension. So I just
actually realized that. When I was talking about it, I
was like, actually, that's consistent with that work, yeah, which
is kind of silly. But as I kept working, I
definitely noticed that energy. And what's crazy is I didn't
see it coming in. I had no idea about that.
And then I forget who. I was talking to one
of the other women that was there, and she was like, oh, yeah,
she's totally attention needy, like yeah, he stuff. I was like,
oh cool, So no media. I was just like kind
of exploring here and noticing what came up. And if
I sit on these contacts, I'm just holding and waiting
for them to release. Wow, I'm just holding, and I'm like,
is there something more to explore here?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is there something more that we need to notice here?
Do I need to change my pressure? Do it? And
I'm just changing as we're going along, and then at
some point it feels like it almost it almost like
vanishes it's just like aweso ah, that feeling, that experience,
just likef And also I'm not like my hands don't
want to attract to the area anymore. There's like enough,
and then I just kind of like again we go
back to observation. And that's why I persicualarly. I told
you for both of them, like watch their next of
the next day. You might see them doing some interesting
stuff where they're like moving a little bit more.
Speaker 2: They were very vocal the next day, they were like
they have a lot to say. Yeah, that was great
ireat Yeah, Well, let's maybe get people some tips that
they're listening, you know, even though they're not a professional practitioners,
just not working professionally, but just with their own animals,
how can they begin to kind of wake up their
hands in the way that your hands are awake. How
can they begin to listen, how can they begin to feel?
What could you say to people to just practice with
their own animals. I think it's a powerful skill just
in general to do this, even with your own body.
And it's actually kind of part of a somatic integration work.
That's like there's a whole nother branch of that which
is Basically we're listening and watching. That's all we're doing.
So like if someone's in a lot of pain, I
use this all the time. Actually never, I've only taken
a pain killer once in my life.
Speaker 3: So when I got I wasn't teeth told out, but
I don't. I've never taken an advil, tailan all or
anything like that. Never, And I was like, well, I
kind of need a method of pain relief, and this
is the method I use on myself. I was in
I not a ten pain. I injured my back at
some point I couldn't walk and I never took a
painkiller for it because I knew how to manage my pain.
I knew how to be with my pain, and this
is how I do it. And it's listening. It's really
that simple. I know this sounds crazy. Literally well yeah,
just listening.
Speaker 2: So let's talk what is listening to pain? What does
that mean in terms of tell me how you listen
to your pain.
Speaker 3: And to give people like a sentence stem, I'm noticing,
I'm noticing link, I'm noticing it feels compressed in my
rib page. I noticed this like a stinging, stabbing pain.
It feels like it's like around this area. It's about
two inches wide. I'm just gonna stay with it. Kind
of noticed it. Maybe it feels bubbly, feels sharp, it
feels stinging, and you're you're bringing some awareness to just
like what is this experience? Like? Now we can do
this meditatively with our own bodies, which is great. And
what you do is you start extending that past yourself.
So you place your hands on an animal and you're
noticing what am I noticing when I place my hands here?
Mm hm oh, I'm noticing my hands like want to
go to their pelvis. Oh, it's interesting. Oh, it's almost
like the base of their tail. What's going on here?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: That's interesting? What am I noticing come up in me?
I'm noticing there's like some sharp anxiety coming up. Well,
what's that? What's there? That's itly, So what I recommend
is this one listen openly, not trying to figure out
this is like hard to see, like right, And you
probably have this issue come up when you're working with
people all the time. Is they're like, oh, my dog
thinks this, geez, you know, my animal thinks this, you know,
and it's like no, no, no, no, like give them some
space for the answer to show up.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the trick is not to think about what
you're feeling, but to feel what you're feeling without judging
it saying it's good or bad or anything like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not that moment before interpretation.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: Usually we notice things and then we interpret and it
becomes it's fine. And we're trying to slow down that
process where we're just in that space of noticing. We're like, oh,
and that's why I give the sentence to them. I'm noticing,
I'm noticing them drawn to their belly, I'm noticing I
want to like dig my fingers a little deeper. I'm
noticing just like, huh interesting, Yeah, just move with curiosity. Yea, fascinating.
Speaker 2: So this is something you can use for yourself and
with your animals, is to simply listen with your fingers
is maybe way we could put it, you know, to
just put your hands on the animal and notice this
part feels warm or cool or tense or soft or
soishy or whatever, and without having it to have any meaning.
We're not looking to analyze it. We're not looking to
diagnose or prescribe, or we're just how does it feel? Oh,
it's changing. Now I had my hands there for a
couple of seconds and it was cool, and now it's warm, okay,
or now I feel like moving up, or now I
feel like moving back or yeah, so this is really
something great. I think we should have you teach a
class in this because I think everybody would want to
learn this.
Speaker 3: And I'd love to share a little story about how
I really discovered this on my own kind of. I
learned it through. I was listening to Donnie Epstein, which
who created a network spinyl on which is the technique
I do, And I was listening to him talk and
he talked about He's like, he starts talking about this
thing called alexthymia, and I'm like, oh gosh, okay, here
he comes a big word. I'm like, alex symia.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: Alextheymia is specifically a lack of ability to describe your experience.
It's usually with like poststroke patients or some type of
neurological dysfunction, like on the extreme end, right. And you'll
go to these clients and what will be is you'll say, hey,
how does the symptom feel, and be like, it's it's
almost a it's a you know, it's and that they
struggle so much to describe what they're experiencing and what
was noticed statistically, this is really cool. The people who
had higher rates lexthymia had worse prognosis. That means they
were probably worse off if they couldn't describe their experience.
Why would that be right? And what Donnie started to
put pointing to was He's like, basically, the brain can't
understand fully what's going on, so you can't describe it fully.
What does that mean? If we couldn't really truly get
in connection and experience our body, it's a sign our
nervous system is creating a neural network to really understand
itself and there's a higher chance that you're probably gonna heal.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Okay, that is an important part. So when I'm talking
with a client, right, I asked him, I say, what
does it feel like when they start struggling? I'm like, yeah,
a bit of that going on. It's not like, yeah,
well gray, but there's something right right.
Speaker 2: Fascinating, fascinating, fascinating the potential of connecting up the nervous
system for healing for ourselves and others. And this has
been great, Doctor Keitha. People want to find you. What's
your website so they can get in touch with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Limitless Networkspinal dot com.
Speaker 2: Limitless Network Spinal dot com.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Well, I.
Speaker 2: Want to thank you so much. I think we've just
scratched the surface here. We're going to have to have
you on again. So thank you for being a guest
on The Human Animal Connection.
Speaker 3: Of course, thank you, We'll see you next time buying out.
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