WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.359 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys 2 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:12.439 are your favorites, so like to say to subscribe and 3 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:19.000 rade it five story and meat just to go on 4 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:21.920 yesterday and listening, oh watching. 5 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:24.879 Always keep it's watching. 6 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.399 And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay. 7 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:34.119 What's up, Cliff nothing man, gonna podcast a little bit? 8 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:34.600 What about you? 9 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:37.240 I just got off the phone with a researcher. I 10 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:39.719 don't want to be a big foot tease, but he's 11 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:43.799 got pretty good footage, he said, comparable baby to the 12 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:45.880 Memorial Day. Footage was taken on the iPhone at about 13 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:50.479 two hundred yards, but he's got three creatures in the 14 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:52.359 video at two different points. 15 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:55.280 Fantastic. Let's hope that's true. I've heard a lot of 16 00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:57.280 things like that before they didn't quite pan out. But man, 17 00:00:57.280 --> 00:00:58.600 if this is true, it's good news. 18 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:02.000 Uh for sure. But I saw those little videotips. You 19 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:04.920 send me those hands, those probable hand Prenchy got. 20 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:08.079 Dude, it's been going crazy. I mean when we couldn't 21 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:10.799 get you the other day for that episode. I just 22 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:13.920 did a forty plus minute monologue about all this stuff 23 00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:15.640 that's been happening at one of our research spots, so 24 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:17.400 our members got to hear about it. And then, of course, 25 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:19.040 if you're listening now and you're not a member and 26 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:21.159 you want to be a member, it's a good move. 27 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:24.200 You can go to Bigfoot and Beyond podcast dot com 28 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:26.719 and click membership, or hit the link in our show 29 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:29.000 notes and become a Patreon supporter of this podcast and 30 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:31.079 get an extra forty five minutes or an hour of 31 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:35.359 Cliff and Bobs every single week. Coming doing it to 32 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:37.879 you're in your ear holes. As Parliament Funkadelic used to say, 33 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:40.400 you know, we probably need to move on because we 34 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:42.719 have a fantastic guest from the other side of the 35 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:43.959 planet on with us today. 36 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:46.079 Hell yeah, I've been waiting for this guy. I mean, 37 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:48.079 you know, it's funny because I feel like I know 38 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:49.480 him and I've never met it, but I feel like 39 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:51.640 I have because I've read his books and I've talked 40 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:53.319 to people that know him, and I've listened to him 41 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:57.120 on a few other interviews, and I've been a big 42 00:01:57.159 --> 00:01:59.200 fan for a long time. So I'm excited for this one. 43 00:01:59.719 --> 00:02:01.879 Yeah, I have met it. I have met this gentleman 44 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:03.480 one time when in two thousand and nine, I think 45 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:05.400 it was, and it was at the Bigfoot round up 46 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:08.080 organized by Tom Yameron and you and Paul Graves, I 47 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:10.159 believe as a tribute to the Bob Gimlin out there 48 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:13.000 in Yakima. I sat down having a wonderful conversation with 49 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:16.080 this gentleman. And he has written several books with a 50 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:17.840 partner of his that we're gonna get on the podcast 51 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:20.039 at the later dates. But he has a new book 52 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:23.759 out called The Yowie File Encounters with Australian ape Men. 53 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:27.120 And of course his first book was fantastic. I think 54 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:29.000 it's just called The Yowi one of the best Bigfoot 55 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:31.879 books on our bigfoot Yowie, well, it's the best Yowie 56 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:36.439 book period, but one of the best cryptozoology Harry Mann 57 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:38.800 sort of books available anywhere, because he goes to the 58 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:41.800 history and the indigenous knowledge and contemporary sightings. That's right, 59 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:43.599 ladies and gentlemen. As if I need even need to 60 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:45.439 say his name now, because you all know it, it 61 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:48.520 is Paul Cropper. Paul, thank you very much for coming 62 00:02:48.520 --> 00:02:49.759 to us from the other side of the planet and 63 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:51.560 joining us on Bigfoot and beyond. 64 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:55.319 Hey Paul, Hey, good, Hey, guys. Heank Clay, Hey, Bobo, 65 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:56.680 thanks for joining us. 66 00:02:56.919 --> 00:03:00.000 Yeah, I really appreciate it, and thanks for being patient 67 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:01.759 with our technical issues and all that sort of stuff 68 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:03.800 where you finally got it rolling and you're here with us, 69 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:05.000 So thank you. 70 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:07.000 Hey, no problem, it's great to be here. 71 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:09.560 So your second book is well, your second Yaowi book, 72 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:12.479 I should say, because you've also written some general cryptozoology books, 73 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:16.000 But your second Yowie book is now out, and I 74 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:18.240 think that's probably a good lead. You sent me an 75 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:20.120 advanced copy and I really appreciate it. Thank you, And 76 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:23.400 I've been going through it, and I'll tell you, people 77 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:27.759 in this field love citing reports. They just absolutely love 78 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:30.800 sighting reports. For a lot of people, it's the endgame. 79 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:32.800 That's what they're trying to get as many sighting reports 80 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:35.879 as possible, and this book is chalk full of them. 81 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:40.719 Holy smokes, how many siting reports are contained in this 82 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:41.240 book now? 83 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:45.639 I think probably around three hundred something like that. There's 84 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:45.960 a lot. 85 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:48.520 Yeah, it's an extension on your first book. 86 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:50.719 Yeah, that's right. I mean the first book we did 87 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:53.159 back in two thousand and six, and I mean in 88 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:56.520 the last couple of years. One of the really big things, 89 00:03:56.719 --> 00:03:59.680 not just in Australia. But I think we'll ride is 90 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:02.479 that a lot of newspaper archives have come online. We 91 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:06.560 have this fantastic resource in Australia called Trove, and almost 92 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:10.879 all of the Australian newspapers from the early eighteen hundreds 93 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:16.160 up to about nineteen the middle sixties, late sixties are 94 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:21.040 all online and all available free. So I mean for 95 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:24.519 people like me and Tony who really had an interest in, 96 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:28.480 you know, the early reports and we and in our 97 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:31.160 first book we had a few, but not very many. 98 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:33.000 And the few that we that we had we kind 99 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:34.920 of dug out my hand, right. We go in the 100 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:38.079 library and open the old you know that the big 101 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:41.560 hardbound copies, and you get your all your fingers covered 102 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:44.160 in black ink, and like it would take a long 103 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:49.560 time and so but with these new online archives, it's fantastic. 104 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:51.079 You just go in and all you got to do 105 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:55.959 is plug in words like gorilla sighting and just I 106 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.560 mean dozens of cases would come up. So it's been fantastic. 107 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:03.560 And those older cases are really really interesting because I 108 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:07.839 think what they prove, and what the book proves is 109 00:05:07.879 --> 00:05:11.839 that you know, there's this consistent tradition of these big 110 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:15.240 hair covered ape like kind of creatures in Australia right 111 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:19.759 from the beginning of European colonization in the late seventeen 112 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:22.759 hundreds right through the character there isn't a gap. It's 113 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:26.839 this consistent thread of reports. And I mean also with 114 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:30.920 the indigenous stories, it's even older than that. 115 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:34.680 You guys got one hundred and sixty five before nineteen hundreds. 116 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:36.000 I mean just in the eighteen hundreds you got one 117 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:38.120 hundred and sixty five in your book. That's I love 118 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:41.480 those old ones. So they're just phenomenal. 119 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:44.399 And it's interesting. The first like the first rule sighting 120 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:46.439 in the book is about eighteen forty three. That's where 121 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:49.519 you know, someone claims we saw this big seven to 122 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:54.279 eight foot tall hair covered creature and dogs dogs, it 123 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:57.800 was basically kind of challenging some dogs that was in 124 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:03.600 central New South Wales. And it's exactly it's exactly the 125 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:07.759 same as the reports you're here in the last couple 126 00:06:07.800 --> 00:06:10.000 of years. And it's the I mean, it's almost identical 127 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:12.399 to South Squats reports, right, the older South Squatch report. 128 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:15.639 So you know, one of the arguments when we first 129 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:17.519 came out with the Yawi was, oh, look you know, 130 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:20.879 the aUI is basically kind of feeds off the Bigfoot 131 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:24.519 mania of the sixties and early seventies, right because in Australia, 132 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:28.519 I mean Australians hadn't heard of the AOI until Rex 133 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:30.879 Gilroy started talking about it seventy five. They thought, what 134 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:32.639 the heck is this? But if you look at the 135 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:36.160 reports you can see that quietly, maybe not nationally, but 136 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:39.639 these stories and these reports are consistent right from the beginning. 137 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:42.800 It's just the public wasn't aware of it. I guess 138 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:44.560 it's like the Bigfoot thing, right. It took the Jerry 139 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:48.399 Crewe thing to kind of bring it into the cultural 140 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:52.120 awareness stage, but it was bubbling along before, just kind 141 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:53.800 of at the fringes of culture rather than in the 142 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:54.319 middle of it. 143 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:57.000 Well unless, of course you're an Indigenous person, in which case, 144 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:59.759 and sure it's still maybe not the center of your life, 145 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:01.920 but it's much more of a central thing now now 146 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:03.360 you are actually indigenous. 147 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:07.439 Ah. Yeah, my father's on my father's side, my mother's 148 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:11.480 English from my father's Walbanja and Wadi Waddy from the 149 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:14.600 south coast of from the south coast of New South Wales. 150 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:17.079 Do you feel that that has given you some unique 151 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:20.439 access into some of the indigenous insights by hearing things 152 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:22.000 that perhaps they wouldn't tell outsiders. 153 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:24.720 Not really, Cliff, because I didn't grow up in culture. 154 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:27.360 I was adopted at first, so I only really reconnected 155 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:29.199 with my family in the last couple of years, which 156 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:32.240 has been fantastic, and actually it sparked an interest in 157 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:34.920 me to go back and re examine some of the 158 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:39.000 some of these indigenous reports because it's really interesting, right. 159 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:42.439 I Mean, in our first book we talked about Aboriginal 160 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:46.240 reports of the hairy Man, and in the Yew we 161 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:50.639 were kind of saying, the hairyman reports are the same 162 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:52.399 thing as the HOWI write that was that was a 163 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:55.800 that was our conclusion, right I Just these days I 164 00:07:55.879 --> 00:07:57.399 kind of got a different view. I don't I'm not 165 00:07:57.439 --> 00:08:01.319 sure it is. I although some in indigenous people absolutely 166 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:04.279 say it is, but others, I mean, it's the same 167 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:08.399 thing with the with I guess, you know, the traditional 168 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:12.560 American reports, and there's that spiritual element to it that 169 00:08:12.759 --> 00:08:16.279 doesn't exist in the European stories. I guess my thing is, 170 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:20.040 I'm not sure you can say that it's necessarily the 171 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:22.639 same thing, because I think we've just assumed that it 172 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:24.639 is because we're looking through a kind of European lens 173 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:27.079 at it. But I'd like to I mean, to be honest, 174 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:28.759 that might be my next project. I need to go 175 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:34.320 in and look nationally at all of the indigenous traditions 176 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:36.840 around this, and there's lots. I mean, it's and you know, 177 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:40.960 and a lot of the indigenous people that were spoken 178 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:43.080 to say, you know, these things are here right now, 179 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:46.279 and you know, we know about them, or we encounter them, 180 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:49.639 we see them effectively kind of have a relationship with them. 181 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:54.360 So it's really interesting. But yeah, I wonder where, you know, 182 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:57.279 investigation would lead down that space, whether you know whether 183 00:08:57.320 --> 00:08:59.480 it is exactly the same thing or whether it's something different. 184 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:01.480 Maybe we just always assumed it's the same. 185 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:04.759 You never know, because there's all sorts of strange happenings 186 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:06.639 down in Australia. I mean, I was surprised when I 187 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:09.279 went down there on the Finding Bigfoot episode to learn 188 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:11.919 about the brown jacks, for example. I mean, I'd read 189 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:14.399 your book, but it doesn't doesn't quite registrate. I guess 190 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:17.679 I didn't hold it. This is so interesting that there's 191 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:20.240 two distinct species of these things down there. 192 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:23.840 Indigenous people, you know, they have a really interesting perfective 193 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:26.200 on it. But you have to understand that in Australia 194 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:29.360 there's something like maybe two hundred and fifty different cultural groups. 195 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:32.200 At the moment, I mean, at the time of colonization, 196 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:34.799 there might have been something like five hundred different culture groups. 197 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:38.200 And different cultural groups have different stories and sometimes different 198 00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:40.440 explanations for what it is. But if you were going 199 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:43.559 to look I mean, and as I said, it's always 200 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:47.080 a bit dangerous to generalize, but it seems from the 201 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:50.679 material we looked at that Indigenous people say there's little ones, 202 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:54.240 little hairy people, and there's bigger ones, and they're different, 203 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:58.919 and the little ones seem to be, you know, mischievous. 204 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:02.240 It's almost like, how would you put like European elves. 205 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:08.399 They can be tricksters, they're sometimes mean, sometimes they kidnap kids, 206 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:12.480 and in a lot of the cultural stories around them, 207 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:17.720 they punish bad behavior. So often parents will say that 208 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:20.120 the kids don't go outside, you know, because the little 209 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:23.960 hairy people will get you. But yeah, you're right. I 210 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:27.039 think the brown jacks was one description of the little creatures. 211 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:29.559 But there's lots and lots of different names, and. 212 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:32.159 You know what, the discovery of Homo floresiensis and now 213 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:35.240 Homo lozon ensis from the same island chains just north there, 214 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:37.759 and Indonesian and Philippines and stuff. It gives a lot 215 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:40.759 of credence to the possibility that there are smaller varieties 216 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:45.360 of unknown homonoids, Harry homonoids running around in Australia because 217 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:47.639 of these recent Perea anthropological finds. 218 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:51.960 Yeah, I mean, certainly when Homo floresiensis hit and even 219 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:55.320 losing ensus, you know, there was a lot of discussion 220 00:10:55.399 --> 00:10:58.399 in the field down here about the relationship between that 221 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:03.440 and particularly the stories about you know, these smaller creatures 222 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:06.720 in indigenous tradition. I mean, my thoughts on this are 223 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:08.679 you know, and this is after I guess being in 224 00:11:08.679 --> 00:11:13.879 the fields into that nineteen seventy five is I don't 225 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:20.519 believe that these things are traditional zoological creatures. And I 226 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:24.120 think the evidence the evidence for that is that just 227 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:26.639 in all of that pew we're just you know, there's 228 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:30.159 never been a creature now by a fall whell drive 229 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:34.200 or a body found. They just seem, you know, they 230 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:39.799 seem remarkably elusive. I'm not kind of the but I'm 231 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:42.879 not of the school that sort of indicates that leads 232 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:46.519 to anything paranormal. I think my view is just, you know, 233 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:50.200 that people are having real experiences. I certainly believe the 234 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:53.279 witnesses and what they're describing, and in many cases there's 235 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:57.720 pretty clear physical evidence that something was there in a 236 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:01.519 physical you know, physically where the witness described, doing what 237 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:03.919 the witness described, you know. And of course we have 238 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:06.440 multiple witnesses as well. Lots of the stories, lots of 239 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:09.639 the cases in the book are multiple witnesses, sometimes more 240 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:11.919 than more than two, you know, two and three people. 241 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:15.120 But I just think my view is kind of I 242 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:18.360 think these experiences are real. I don't really think that 243 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:21.200 it's a physical creature in the sense of, you know, 244 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:25.519 a kangaroo or a wallaby. But but I just think 245 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:27.799 more evidence is required as to exactly what all of 246 00:12:27.799 --> 00:12:30.399 this means. I think I think Yooi's are just part 247 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:32.559 of the broad spectrum of weird experiences that happened to 248 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:33.360 human beings. 249 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:36.200 Are you London Brown Jackson Yawers together on that when 250 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:38.120 you said that, Paul, they're a book like that or 251 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:39.720 just the Brown Jacks. 252 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:43.279 I think all of these sightings, I mean, that's you know, 253 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:45.279 I think all of these sightings, Toney's got a different 254 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:47.279 position on this, and he can talk about that. But 255 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:50.720 I just think, yeah, as I said, I think these 256 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:56.039 these experiences, these sightings are just part of this broad 257 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.799 spectrum of phenomena that happens, that happens to people. And 258 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:02.360 you know, weird experience has happened. We will know. We 259 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:06.080 read about it in the press pretty regularly. But you know, 260 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:09.159 my expectation would have been if this was if this 261 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:12.000 was a creature in a full physical sense, we would 262 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:14.200 have found much clearer evidence find now. 263 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:16.240 And of course this is Paul Cropper, and he mentioned 264 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:17.879 Tony earlier. I want to bring that up. But Tony 265 00:13:17.960 --> 00:13:21.600 is Tony Healy, Paul's co author on this book, in 266 00:13:21.639 --> 00:13:23.960 his previous book that we're talking about, his new book, 267 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:28.159 The Yowie File. So in many ways, this book is 268 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:31.200 an expansion on your first book and kind of digging 269 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:33.440 deeper into some of the reports that were previously mentioned, 270 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:37.200 and of course unearthing many, many, many new ones. I 271 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:38.480 want to talk about some of the ones that you 272 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:41.559 expanded on that were mentioned in the first book but 273 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:45.480 you found more information about for your second tell us 274 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:47.840 about some of those that you kind of rediscovered or 275 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:49.559 plumbed deeper depths. 276 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:52.480 Of well, just it's been a long it's been a 277 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:55.080 long gap since two thousand and six, and I think 278 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:59.200 for quite a few of the cases there was just 279 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:03.200 further documentation. And as I was saying a little earlier, 280 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:06.120 you know, a lot of a lot of the early 281 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:14.200 European explorer reports, a lot of indigenous traditions, everything has 282 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:18.120 started appearing in some of those digital archives, in particular 283 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:20.000 in Australia as the Saying Trope, which is just this 284 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:26.519 amazing online resource of newspapers and journals and various various 285 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:30.720 other sorts of documentation. So and that allowed us to 286 00:14:30.840 --> 00:14:33.600 sometimes go back and find out, particularly on some of 287 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:37.279 the older cases, we found new sources of data for 288 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:40.159 a couple of the stories. And I'm thinking that there's 289 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:43.360 a story from the late eighteen hundreds about a mister 290 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:48.039 Maren finding a kind of the body of what he 291 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:54.080 said was like a hairy man. We even, you know, 292 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.759 we're able to locate photographs of some of the participants, 293 00:14:56.759 --> 00:14:59.320 so it's interesting you might find a couple of a 294 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:01.120 couple of the old the reports that were in the 295 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:06.480 aUI are now in uh the HOWI file. But we've 296 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:09.000 managed to turn up a photograph of the person was involved, 297 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:10.720 And that's pretty amazing given that some of these stories 298 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:12.279 back in the eighteen hundreds. I think there's a couple 299 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:12.840 of those. 300 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:15.879 Yeah, yeah, And that's part of the corroboration of these stories, 301 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:18.320 that that person was a real person in real place, 302 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:20.879 in a real time. It kind of goes along ways 303 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:22.840 instead of making up somebody's name and throwing it in 304 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:27.279 a book. You know, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and 305 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:30.080 Beyond with Cliff and Bogo will be right back after 306 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:38.000 these messages. So three to six months doesn't seem like 307 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:41.519 a long time right in bigfoot Land. It's not very 308 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:44.279 long because we've been looking for sasquatches for decades and 309 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:46.440 decades and decades. 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Like, also, 354 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:55.839 do you think that's a physical like they're real large 355 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:58.400 casts or you know, biologically based they're loose there. 356 00:17:58.759 --> 00:18:00.960 Yeah, I think some of the cats stories are real 357 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:05.240 large you know, really genuine large felines loosen Australia. Yeah, 358 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:09.359 I believe that. But here's a strange thing, Like it's 359 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:12.400 really interesting. You know, when I first started following up 360 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:15.720 yawe stories, I was asking witnesses the question of what 361 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:18.039 did you see? Where did you see it, and kind 362 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:22.839 of keeping keeping the questions pretty narrow. But as time 363 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:26.160 went on, I just started introducing and Tony did as well, 364 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:28.799 started introducing a few extra questions and things were asking 365 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:33.839 people and that was have you ever had any other 366 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:37.319 strange experiences? Have you ever seen any other kind of 367 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:43.079 a strange animal? And people really regularly would tell us 368 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:50.359 that they had either had other strange experiences, and in particular, 369 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:54.759 and this happened a lot, that they had also seen 370 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:58.960 these mystery cats as well. Now, I know you can 371 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:01.920 argue that that might mean that perhaps you know, these 372 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:04.039 people in the country perhaps got a great chance of 373 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:07.559 seeing other things, or perhaps you know, some people are 374 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:13.319 more prone to prone to fantasy, you might say, But 375 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:16.119 I just didn't get the sense of that, And that 376 00:19:16.279 --> 00:19:21.400 I think also plays the into the idea that it's 377 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:25.960 not just an experience of a YAOWI of you know 378 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:29.200 that something else is at playing here, you know these 379 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:32.880 people are, It's part of this broader spectrum of experiences 380 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:35.440 of people are having, and perhaps the people that see 381 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:38.319 these things are more prone to these experiences. I'm not sure, 382 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:41.559 but yeah, I mean there were a lot of reports 383 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:44.559 and the people we talked to about particularly seeing these 384 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:49.279 kind of catlike creatures, it was very It's a sizeable 385 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:52.720 percentage of the people we talked to it had other experiences. 386 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:55.440 Did you catch that news item this past week about 387 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:58.599 them getting DNA of black panthers in the UK. 388 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:01.799 Yeah, Actually, there's I mean, there was a case in 389 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:07.359 Victoria where DNA in Australia was tracked back to a leopard. 390 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:11.240 But there's questions around it because they could have been 391 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:14.119 contamination in in the laboratory where there is where the 392 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.119 where the research was done, because they had other samples 393 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:19.880 in that same laboratory. So I saw that. Yeah, I 394 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:22.240 did see the UK stuff for the DNA, but I 395 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:25.000 think i'd you know, i'd probably wait to hear that 396 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:28.720 that's verified and that you know, issues around contamination are 397 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:31.720 sort of being adequately addressed. And also I think that 398 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:34.519 report it didn't come out from independently. It came out 399 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:38.480 from the people that were promoting the documentary around bigcats 400 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:41.759 in the UK. So I mean it was interesting, very interesting, 401 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:46.680