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Speaker 4: I just got off the phone with a researcher. I
Speaker 4: don't want to be a big foot tease, but he's
Speaker 4: got pretty good footage, he said, comparable baby to the
Speaker 4: Memorial Day. Footage was taken on the iPhone at about
Speaker 4: two hundred yards, but he's got three creatures in the
Speaker 4: video at two different points.
Speaker 2: Fantastic. Let's hope that's true. I've heard a lot of
Speaker 2: things like that before they didn't quite pan out. But man,
Speaker 2: if this is true, it's good news.
Speaker 4: Uh for sure. But I saw those little videotips. You
Speaker 4: send me those hands, those probable hand Prenchy got.
Speaker 2: Dude, it's been going crazy. I mean when we couldn't
Speaker 2: get you the other day for that episode. I just
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Speaker 2: you know, we probably need to move on because we
Speaker 2: have a fantastic guest from the other side of the
Speaker 2: planet on with us today.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, I've been waiting for this guy. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, it's funny because I feel like I know
Speaker 4: him and I've never met it, but I feel like
Speaker 4: I have because I've read his books and I've talked
Speaker 4: to people that know him, and I've listened to him
Speaker 4: on a few other interviews, and I've been a big
Speaker 4: fan for a long time. So I'm excited for this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have met it. I have met this gentleman
Speaker 2: one time when in two thousand and nine, I think
Speaker 2: it was, and it was at the Bigfoot round up
Speaker 2: organized by Tom Yameron and you and Paul Graves, I
Speaker 2: believe as a tribute to the Bob Gimlin out there
Speaker 2: in Yakima. I sat down having a wonderful conversation with
Speaker 2: this gentleman. And he has written several books with a
Speaker 2: partner of his that we're gonna get on the podcast
Speaker 2: at the later dates. But he has a new book
Speaker 2: out called The Yowie File Encounters with Australian ape Men.
Speaker 2: And of course his first book was fantastic. I think
Speaker 2: it's just called The Yowi one of the best Bigfoot
Speaker 2: books on our bigfoot Yowie, well, it's the best Yowie
Speaker 2: book period, but one of the best cryptozoology Harry Mann
Speaker 2: sort of books available anywhere, because he goes to the
Speaker 2: history and the indigenous knowledge and contemporary sightings. That's right,
Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen. As if I need even need to
Speaker 2: say his name now, because you all know it, it
Speaker 2: is Paul Cropper. Paul, thank you very much for coming
Speaker 2: to us from the other side of the planet and
Speaker 2: joining us on Bigfoot and beyond.
Speaker 5: Hey Paul, Hey, good, Hey, guys. Heank Clay, Hey, Bobo,
Speaker 5: thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really appreciate it, and thanks for being patient
Speaker 2: with our technical issues and all that sort of stuff
Speaker 2: where you finally got it rolling and you're here with us,
Speaker 2: So thank you.
Speaker 5: Hey, no problem, it's great to be here.
Speaker 2: So your second book is well, your second Yaowi book,
Speaker 2: I should say, because you've also written some general cryptozoology books,
Speaker 2: But your second Yowie book is now out, and I
Speaker 2: think that's probably a good lead. You sent me an
Speaker 2: advanced copy and I really appreciate it. Thank you, And
Speaker 2: I've been going through it, and I'll tell you, people
Speaker 2: in this field love citing reports. They just absolutely love
Speaker 2: sighting reports. For a lot of people, it's the endgame.
Speaker 2: That's what they're trying to get as many sighting reports
Speaker 2: as possible, and this book is chalk full of them.
Speaker 2: Holy smokes, how many siting reports are contained in this
Speaker 2: book now?
Speaker 5: I think probably around three hundred something like that. There's
Speaker 5: a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an extension on your first book.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. I mean the first book we did
Speaker 5: back in two thousand and six, and I mean in
Speaker 5: the last couple of years. One of the really big things,
Speaker 5: not just in Australia. But I think we'll ride is
Speaker 5: that a lot of newspaper archives have come online. We
Speaker 5: have this fantastic resource in Australia called Trove, and almost
Speaker 5: all of the Australian newspapers from the early eighteen hundreds
Speaker 5: up to about nineteen the middle sixties, late sixties are
Speaker 5: all online and all available free. So I mean for
Speaker 5: people like me and Tony who really had an interest in,
Speaker 5: you know, the early reports and we and in our
Speaker 5: first book we had a few, but not very many.
Speaker 5: And the few that we that we had we kind
Speaker 5: of dug out my hand, right. We go in the
Speaker 5: library and open the old you know that the big
Speaker 5: hardbound copies, and you get your all your fingers covered
Speaker 5: in black ink, and like it would take a long
Speaker 5: time and so but with these new online archives, it's fantastic.
Speaker 5: You just go in and all you got to do
Speaker 5: is plug in words like gorilla sighting and just I
Speaker 5: mean dozens of cases would come up. So it's been fantastic.
Speaker 5: And those older cases are really really interesting because I
Speaker 5: think what they prove, and what the book proves is
Speaker 5: that you know, there's this consistent tradition of these big
Speaker 5: hair covered ape like kind of creatures in Australia right
Speaker 5: from the beginning of European colonization in the late seventeen
Speaker 5: hundreds right through the character there isn't a gap. It's
Speaker 5: this consistent thread of reports. And I mean also with
Speaker 5: the indigenous stories, it's even older than that.
Speaker 4: You guys got one hundred and sixty five before nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 4: I mean just in the eighteen hundreds you got one
Speaker 4: hundred and sixty five in your book. That's I love
Speaker 4: those old ones. So they're just phenomenal.
Speaker 5: And it's interesting. The first like the first rule sighting
Speaker 5: in the book is about eighteen forty three. That's where
Speaker 5: you know, someone claims we saw this big seven to
Speaker 5: eight foot tall hair covered creature and dogs dogs, it
Speaker 5: was basically kind of challenging some dogs that was in
Speaker 5: central New South Wales. And it's exactly it's exactly the
Speaker 5: same as the reports you're here in the last couple
Speaker 5: of years. And it's the I mean, it's almost identical
Speaker 5: to South Squats reports, right, the older South Squatch report.
Speaker 5: So you know, one of the arguments when we first
Speaker 5: came out with the Yawi was, oh, look you know,
Speaker 5: the aUI is basically kind of feeds off the Bigfoot
Speaker 5: mania of the sixties and early seventies, right because in Australia,
Speaker 5: I mean Australians hadn't heard of the AOI until Rex
Speaker 5: Gilroy started talking about it seventy five. They thought, what
Speaker 5: the heck is this? But if you look at the
Speaker 5: reports you can see that quietly, maybe not nationally, but
Speaker 5: these stories and these reports are consistent right from the beginning.
Speaker 5: It's just the public wasn't aware of it. I guess
Speaker 5: it's like the Bigfoot thing, right. It took the Jerry
Speaker 5: Crewe thing to kind of bring it into the cultural
Speaker 5: awareness stage, but it was bubbling along before, just kind
Speaker 5: of at the fringes of culture rather than in the
Speaker 5: middle of it.
Speaker 2: Well unless, of course you're an Indigenous person, in which case,
Speaker 2: and sure it's still maybe not the center of your life,
Speaker 2: but it's much more of a central thing now now
Speaker 2: you are actually indigenous.
Speaker 5: Ah. Yeah, my father's on my father's side, my mother's
Speaker 5: English from my father's Walbanja and Wadi Waddy from the
Speaker 5: south coast of from the south coast of New South Wales.
Speaker 2: Do you feel that that has given you some unique
Speaker 2: access into some of the indigenous insights by hearing things
Speaker 2: that perhaps they wouldn't tell outsiders.
Speaker 5: Not really, Cliff, because I didn't grow up in culture.
Speaker 5: I was adopted at first, so I only really reconnected
Speaker 5: with my family in the last couple of years, which
Speaker 5: has been fantastic, and actually it sparked an interest in
Speaker 5: me to go back and re examine some of the
Speaker 5: some of these indigenous reports because it's really interesting, right.
Speaker 5: I Mean, in our first book we talked about Aboriginal
Speaker 5: reports of the hairy Man, and in the Yew we
Speaker 5: were kind of saying, the hairyman reports are the same
Speaker 5: thing as the HOWI write that was that was a
Speaker 5: that was our conclusion, right I Just these days I
Speaker 5: kind of got a different view. I don't I'm not
Speaker 5: sure it is. I although some in indigenous people absolutely
Speaker 5: say it is, but others, I mean, it's the same
Speaker 5: thing with the with I guess, you know, the traditional
Speaker 5: American reports, and there's that spiritual element to it that
Speaker 5: doesn't exist in the European stories. I guess my thing is,
Speaker 5: I'm not sure you can say that it's necessarily the
Speaker 5: same thing, because I think we've just assumed that it
Speaker 5: is because we're looking through a kind of European lens
Speaker 5: at it. But I'd like to I mean, to be honest,
Speaker 5: that might be my next project. I need to go
Speaker 5: in and look nationally at all of the indigenous traditions
Speaker 5: around this, and there's lots. I mean, it's and you know,
Speaker 5: and a lot of the indigenous people that were spoken
Speaker 5: to say, you know, these things are here right now,
Speaker 5: and you know, we know about them, or we encounter them,
Speaker 5: we see them effectively kind of have a relationship with them.
Speaker 5: So it's really interesting. But yeah, I wonder where, you know,
Speaker 5: investigation would lead down that space, whether you know whether
Speaker 5: it is exactly the same thing or whether it's something different.
Speaker 5: Maybe we just always assumed it's the same.
Speaker 2: You never know, because there's all sorts of strange happenings
Speaker 2: down in Australia. I mean, I was surprised when I
Speaker 2: went down there on the Finding Bigfoot episode to learn
Speaker 2: about the brown jacks, for example. I mean, I'd read
Speaker 2: your book, but it doesn't doesn't quite registrate. I guess
Speaker 2: I didn't hold it. This is so interesting that there's
Speaker 2: two distinct species of these things down there.
Speaker 5: Indigenous people, you know, they have a really interesting perfective
Speaker 5: on it. But you have to understand that in Australia
Speaker 5: there's something like maybe two hundred and fifty different cultural groups.
Speaker 5: At the moment, I mean, at the time of colonization,
Speaker 5: there might have been something like five hundred different culture groups.
Speaker 5: And different cultural groups have different stories and sometimes different
Speaker 5: explanations for what it is. But if you were going
Speaker 5: to look I mean, and as I said, it's always
Speaker 5: a bit dangerous to generalize, but it seems from the
Speaker 5: material we looked at that Indigenous people say there's little ones,
Speaker 5: little hairy people, and there's bigger ones, and they're different,
Speaker 5: and the little ones seem to be, you know, mischievous.
Speaker 5: It's almost like, how would you put like European elves.
Speaker 5: They can be tricksters, they're sometimes mean, sometimes they kidnap kids,
Speaker 5: and in a lot of the cultural stories around them,
Speaker 5: they punish bad behavior. So often parents will say that
Speaker 5: the kids don't go outside, you know, because the little
Speaker 5: hairy people will get you. But yeah, you're right. I
Speaker 5: think the brown jacks was one description of the little creatures.
Speaker 5: But there's lots and lots of different names, and.
Speaker 2: You know what, the discovery of Homo floresiensis and now
Speaker 2: Homo lozon ensis from the same island chains just north there,
Speaker 2: and Indonesian and Philippines and stuff. It gives a lot
Speaker 2: of credence to the possibility that there are smaller varieties
Speaker 2: of unknown homonoids, Harry homonoids running around in Australia because
Speaker 2: of these recent Perea anthropological finds.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, certainly when Homo floresiensis hit and even
Speaker 5: losing ensus, you know, there was a lot of discussion
Speaker 5: in the field down here about the relationship between that
Speaker 5: and particularly the stories about you know, these smaller creatures
Speaker 5: in indigenous tradition. I mean, my thoughts on this are
Speaker 5: you know, and this is after I guess being in
Speaker 5: the fields into that nineteen seventy five is I don't
Speaker 5: believe that these things are traditional zoological creatures. And I
Speaker 5: think the evidence the evidence for that is that just
Speaker 5: in all of that pew we're just you know, there's
Speaker 5: never been a creature now by a fall whell drive
Speaker 5: or a body found. They just seem, you know, they
Speaker 5: seem remarkably elusive. I'm not kind of the but I'm
Speaker 5: not of the school that sort of indicates that leads
Speaker 5: to anything paranormal. I think my view is just, you know,
Speaker 5: that people are having real experiences. I certainly believe the
Speaker 5: witnesses and what they're describing, and in many cases there's
Speaker 5: pretty clear physical evidence that something was there in a
Speaker 5: physical you know, physically where the witness described, doing what
Speaker 5: the witness described, you know. And of course we have
Speaker 5: multiple witnesses as well. Lots of the stories, lots of
Speaker 5: the cases in the book are multiple witnesses, sometimes more
Speaker 5: than more than two, you know, two and three people.
Speaker 5: But I just think my view is kind of I
Speaker 5: think these experiences are real. I don't really think that
Speaker 5: it's a physical creature in the sense of, you know,
Speaker 5: a kangaroo or a wallaby. But but I just think
Speaker 5: more evidence is required as to exactly what all of
Speaker 5: this means. I think I think Yooi's are just part
Speaker 5: of the broad spectrum of weird experiences that happened to
Speaker 5: human beings.
Speaker 4: Are you London Brown Jackson Yawers together on that when
Speaker 4: you said that, Paul, they're a book like that or
Speaker 4: just the Brown Jacks.
Speaker 5: I think all of these sightings, I mean, that's you know,
Speaker 5: I think all of these sightings, Toney's got a different
Speaker 5: position on this, and he can talk about that. But
Speaker 5: I just think, yeah, as I said, I think these
Speaker 5: these experiences, these sightings are just part of this broad
Speaker 5: spectrum of phenomena that happens, that happens to people. And
Speaker 5: you know, weird experience has happened. We will know. We
Speaker 5: read about it in the press pretty regularly. But you know,
Speaker 5: my expectation would have been if this was if this
Speaker 5: was a creature in a full physical sense, we would
Speaker 5: have found much clearer evidence find now.
Speaker 2: And of course this is Paul Cropper, and he mentioned
Speaker 2: Tony earlier. I want to bring that up. But Tony
Speaker 2: is Tony Healy, Paul's co author on this book, in
Speaker 2: his previous book that we're talking about, his new book,
Speaker 2: The Yowie File. So in many ways, this book is
Speaker 2: an expansion on your first book and kind of digging
Speaker 2: deeper into some of the reports that were previously mentioned,
Speaker 2: and of course unearthing many, many, many new ones. I
Speaker 2: want to talk about some of the ones that you
Speaker 2: expanded on that were mentioned in the first book but
Speaker 2: you found more information about for your second tell us
Speaker 2: about some of those that you kind of rediscovered or
Speaker 2: plumbed deeper depths.
Speaker 5: Of well, just it's been a long it's been a
Speaker 5: long gap since two thousand and six, and I think
Speaker 5: for quite a few of the cases there was just
Speaker 5: further documentation. And as I was saying a little earlier,
Speaker 5: you know, a lot of a lot of the early
Speaker 5: European explorer reports, a lot of indigenous traditions, everything has
Speaker 5: started appearing in some of those digital archives, in particular
Speaker 5: in Australia as the Saying Trope, which is just this
Speaker 5: amazing online resource of newspapers and journals and various various
Speaker 5: other sorts of documentation. So and that allowed us to
Speaker 5: sometimes go back and find out, particularly on some of
Speaker 5: the older cases, we found new sources of data for
Speaker 5: a couple of the stories. And I'm thinking that there's
Speaker 5: a story from the late eighteen hundreds about a mister
Speaker 5: Maren finding a kind of the body of what he
Speaker 5: said was like a hairy man. We even, you know,
Speaker 5: we're able to locate photographs of some of the participants,
Speaker 5: so it's interesting you might find a couple of a
Speaker 5: couple of the old the reports that were in the
Speaker 5: aUI are now in uh the HOWI file. But we've
Speaker 5: managed to turn up a photograph of the person was involved,
Speaker 5: And that's pretty amazing given that some of these stories
Speaker 5: back in the eighteen hundreds. I think there's a couple
Speaker 5: of those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And that's part of the corroboration of these stories,
Speaker 2: that that person was a real person in real place,
Speaker 2: in a real time. It kind of goes along ways
Speaker 2: instead of making up somebody's name and throwing it in
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Speaker 4: You guys mentioned the black cast. Do you think that's paranormal? Like, also,
Speaker 4: do you think that's a physical like they're real large
Speaker 4: casts or you know, biologically based they're loose there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think some of the cats stories are real
Speaker 5: large you know, really genuine large felines loosen Australia. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I believe that. But here's a strange thing, Like it's
Speaker 5: really interesting. You know, when I first started following up
Speaker 5: yawe stories, I was asking witnesses the question of what
Speaker 5: did you see? Where did you see it, and kind
Speaker 5: of keeping keeping the questions pretty narrow. But as time
Speaker 5: went on, I just started introducing and Tony did as well,
Speaker 5: started introducing a few extra questions and things were asking
Speaker 5: people and that was have you ever had any other
Speaker 5: strange experiences? Have you ever seen any other kind of
Speaker 5: a strange animal? And people really regularly would tell us
Speaker 5: that they had either had other strange experiences, and in particular,
Speaker 5: and this happened a lot, that they had also seen
Speaker 5: these mystery cats as well. Now, I know you can
Speaker 5: argue that that might mean that perhaps you know, these
Speaker 5: people in the country perhaps got a great chance of
Speaker 5: seeing other things, or perhaps you know, some people are
Speaker 5: more prone to prone to fantasy, you might say, But
Speaker 5: I just didn't get the sense of that, And that
Speaker 5: I think also plays the into the idea that it's
Speaker 5: not just an experience of a YAOWI of you know
Speaker 5: that something else is at playing here, you know these
Speaker 5: people are, It's part of this broader spectrum of experiences
Speaker 5: of people are having, and perhaps the people that see
Speaker 5: these things are more prone to these experiences. I'm not sure,
Speaker 5: but yeah, I mean there were a lot of reports
Speaker 5: and the people we talked to about particularly seeing these
Speaker 5: kind of catlike creatures, it was very It's a sizeable
Speaker 5: percentage of the people we talked to it had other experiences.
Speaker 2: Did you catch that news item this past week about
Speaker 2: them getting DNA of black panthers in the UK.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Actually, there's I mean, there was a case in
Speaker 5: Victoria where DNA in Australia was tracked back to a leopard.
Speaker 5: But there's questions around it because they could have been
Speaker 5: contamination in in the laboratory where there is where the
Speaker 5: where the research was done, because they had other samples
Speaker 5: in that same laboratory. So I saw that. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: did see the UK stuff for the DNA, but I
Speaker 5: think i'd you know, i'd probably wait to hear that
Speaker 5: that's verified and that you know, issues around contamination are
Speaker 5: sort of being adequately addressed. And also I think that
Speaker 5: report it didn't come out from independently. It came out
Speaker 5: from the people that were promoting the documentary around bigcats
Speaker 5: in the UK. So I mean it was interesting, very interesting,
Speaker 5: but I kind of, you know, i'd wait to see
Speaker 5: that further documentary. I mean, the interesting thing is if
Speaker 5: there were really leopards, if you take it to the
Speaker 5: logical conclusion, if there were leopards in Australia or leopards
Speaker 5: in the United Kingdom, one would expect that they would
Speaker 5: be disappearing left, right and center. Because leopards are particularly
Speaker 5: partial with dogs, you know, there would be and occasionally
Speaker 5: leopards attack people. So why hasn't that happened in either place?
Speaker 5: But interesting and interesting to see where the evidence leads.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and certainly they're not indigenous to either of
Speaker 2: those places, but if one or two got loose at
Speaker 2: some point, I could see a small population of them living.
Speaker 2: And you know what, the dog thing, I get it,
Speaker 2: man Sochi, my dog looks delicious.
Speaker 5: Actually. The other thing with those big cats, particularly black cats,
Speaker 5: if they're black leopards, you know the black the why
Speaker 5: haven't they slipped back to their standard spot right? Because
Speaker 5: I think the black gene is recessive. But if if
Speaker 5: they were, if it was a breeding population, you'd go
Speaker 5: back to spots, you know, you go back to the
Speaker 5: to the normal rosettes. So I should say so, and
Speaker 5: you don't see that either, So that was always a
Speaker 5: really weird thing about the cats in Australia too, is
Speaker 5: if people are actually seeing black leopards, then why aren't
Speaker 5: we seeing what we you know, the standard, the standard
Speaker 5: marking phases of leopards, and we're not saying dog is
Speaker 5: you know, these dog predictions. So it's it's very it's
Speaker 5: very odd.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see what comes to that was I wasn't
Speaker 2: aware of the source behind that. I just saw the
Speaker 2: clipping or whatever. We'll see if that's verified, because at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, science is about reproducing results,
Speaker 2: you know, and so hopefully more people will look into
Speaker 2: this and verify that, because that's a pretty bold claim.
Speaker 2: I thought it was an interesting headline. And I'm not
Speaker 2: a black cat kind of guy, you know. I saw
Speaker 2: one on accident, but that's kind of the end of it.
Speaker 2: But not really a black cat researcher, so I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't pay too much attention all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4: So I've seen one and it was there, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: that's we know there's cats, we know they can be
Speaker 4: black sometimes. Yeah. You know, as a mentioned, Paul, did
Speaker 4: you notice that descriptions like the right, like the sketches
Speaker 4: done by eyewitnesses are maybe an artist from themselves. How
Speaker 4: the South American math l Guari matches really well with
Speaker 4: the Yawi, like the you know, the skinny legs and
Speaker 4: the potbelly, like it seem like the Vietnam rocket. It's
Speaker 4: like they're not built like a big buff sasquatch. Like
Speaker 4: they're more you know, like not thin waist. They're they're
Speaker 4: bulky and like they got the potbelly, you know, and
Speaker 4: the skinny arms and legs. Have you noticed that.
Speaker 5: I think you might be referring to one of the
Speaker 5: one of the particularly one of the sketches from like
Speaker 5: the early nineteen hundreds. Yeah, look, I think the points fair.
Speaker 5: You know, when people talk about Yowis, they're probably talking
Speaker 5: something five to seven foot. Not many are in the
Speaker 5: eight nine of you know, the kind of big hulking
Speaker 5: sasquatch type stuff. But in general, the description is you know,
Speaker 5: is really really similar because the witnesses described you know,
Speaker 5: they talk about lots of them, the majority in fact,
Speaker 5: probably talk about it didn't have a neck, you know,
Speaker 5: it just its head sunk right into the shoulders. The
Speaker 5: head was a bit smaller, it was really solid. It
Speaker 5: was massively white in the chest. Mostly they're talking about,
Speaker 5: you know, pretty solid. Sometimes they're described being like a
Speaker 5: well built rugby play, you know, really big and the
Speaker 5: big and broad. So it's it's pretty much like a sasquatch.
Speaker 5: But just the sense I get from, you know, from
Speaker 5: the American literature is they're bigger and ours are just
Speaker 5: a bit smaller, but kind of otherwise really similar. I
Speaker 5: think you could take a Yowi story if you took
Speaker 5: the location out, and it would read almost identically.
Speaker 4: How dangerous do you think they are? Like you think
Speaker 4: that they're responsible for all those killings on other people
Speaker 4: say they are.
Speaker 5: No, No, if something was killing people in the Australian
Speaker 5: Boys should be pretty quickly, it'd be pretty quickly obvious.
Speaker 5: I mean there's there's the stories about people being abducted,
Speaker 5: but you know, in particularly an indigenous law or children abducted,
Speaker 5: but no, I think if if that were actually happening,
Speaker 5: it'd be pretty much front page news and everyone would know.
Speaker 5: There's not that many people down here, you know, people
Speaker 5: would notice if they were if they were disappearing, and
Speaker 5: and I mean in some of the always are and
Speaker 5: there's some in the book right where these things act.
Speaker 5: What seems to be aggressively, but it's kind of like,
Speaker 5: you know, and this is in the American stuff too,
Speaker 5: it seems like a bluff, you know, like a gorilla bluff,
Speaker 5: like I want to scare you away, or I want
Speaker 5: you to go and leave the space, so I'll scare you.
Speaker 5: But I do know that Dean Harrison, you know, pretty
Speaker 5: much our best known field researcher here and a good
Speaker 5: friend of mine, he says he was kind of charged
Speaker 5: by one and knocked over, and he had he was
Speaker 5: black and black and blue. But again it was sort
Speaker 5: of like a more of a defense kind of thing
Speaker 5: or a bluff thing that maybe went wrong and they connected.
Speaker 5: But yeah, he's he's got a photo of being covered
Speaker 5: in bruises from head to toe where this thing bowled
Speaker 5: him over in the bush.
Speaker 2: That was one of the questions I had when we
Speaker 2: went to go investigate Australia on the show, is like,
Speaker 2: because for so many the reports talk about how these
Speaker 2: things are super dangerous and terrifying and cannibals and this,
Speaker 2: i'll scary, scary, scary stuff, you know, But I mean
Speaker 2: we were lucky enough to run in to at least
Speaker 2: one over there. I mean I heard the thing, and
Speaker 2: I was clapping at it, and it was clapping back
Speaker 2: of me or doing whatever it was doing. But nearest
Speaker 2: I can tell, all I did. All I observed was
Speaker 2: sasquatch behavior, you know, but it was I was on
Speaker 2: a different continent, but it seemed to me that everything
Speaker 2: I personally observed indicated, oh, there's a sasquatch there, except
Speaker 2: that I was in Australia, So I thought that was
Speaker 2: kind of nice.
Speaker 5: You know, Cliff, Behaviorally, it's exactly the same. We have
Speaker 5: rock throwing, we have you know, those kind of stick structures.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that, yawie, but you know, it's the same,
Speaker 5: the same kind of claims in the literature and even
Speaker 5: you know, occasionally things I've seen in the voice, So
Speaker 5: those tucked over tree structures, a tree, you know, wood knocking,
Speaker 5: rock stacks, rocks being thrown at people but not necessarily
Speaker 5: at them, but close by. But but you were lucky
Speaker 5: having experience. I mean, I've I'm not really a field guy.
Speaker 5: I'm kind of a you know, I'm kind of more
Speaker 5: of an arm chair more of an armchair guy than
Speaker 5: in the field guy. But I've been able to feel
Speaker 5: quite a bit and the only time, only one time,
Speaker 5: I haven't ever had an experience that I think might
Speaker 5: be connected with Yeah. I mean that was actually the
Speaker 5: Dean very early in the piece, and I think that
Speaker 5: was like in the late nineties, and I'd only just
Speaker 5: met Dean, right and he said, oh, come out, I'll
Speaker 5: take you to a place in the Blue Mountains of
Speaker 5: New South Wales. It was about an hour hour outside
Speaker 5: of Sydney. I'll take you out where you know I've
Speaker 5: had experiences. And I was sort of like, okay, I
Speaker 5: was pretty skeptical. We went out to a spot when
Speaker 5: this was in a national park. He said, just just
Speaker 5: sort of be quiet and wait, and so we kind
Speaker 5: of hunkered down in a spot night fell and then
Speaker 5: I distinctly remember that coming up from the valley because
Speaker 5: we were kind of on the top of her on
Speaker 5: the top of a valley that was in front of us,
Speaker 5: I just heard what sounded like a person. I mean,
Speaker 5: we were pretty we weren't a long way to the
Speaker 5: National Park, but you know, it wasn't anyone around, there
Speaker 5: was no lights, and what sounded like kind of two
Speaker 5: sounded like people walking in the bush sort of came
Speaker 5: up and seemed to be aware that we were there
Speaker 5: and kind of will circle around us and then went
Speaker 5: back down to the bush again. So I'm not saying
Speaker 5: it was yowi, but it was kind of interesting and
Speaker 5: certainly put the window on me. But beyond that, I've
Speaker 5: never had a I've never had an experience that I
Speaker 5: would I've never seen a yooi and I've never heard
Speaker 5: a yooi. Yeah, that was pretty much my my only encounter.
Speaker 5: So you were lucky coming out here, and but you
Speaker 5: go to the right places with the right people, and
Speaker 5: things tend to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a place of I think that the
Speaker 2: same as Ray and the who really looked into things
Speaker 2: for a long time.
Speaker 4: Majority Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a lot of stuff, I guess at
Speaker 2: this one particular location, which is why he brought us there,
Speaker 2: and we just got lucky. I guess.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: That's what it is with Bigfoot for the most part.
Speaker 2: You can go to the best spots, but doesn't mean
Speaker 2: they're going to be there.
Speaker 4: I had some great experiences down there. I was with
Speaker 4: the Slab family.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you went with them all fantastic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I spent I spent about ten days with
Speaker 4: those guys and yeah. So before we filmed Finding Bigfoot,
Speaker 4: I went down there a couple of weeks early because
Speaker 4: the episode was falling apart. And I had met this
Speaker 4: guy in Hawaii and he said, oh, yeah, I live
Speaker 4: where there's Yahwei's and Gingeries. Is that right, Gingeries right?
Speaker 5: Injuries? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so I was down in the Blue Mountains,
Speaker 4: I said, man, I know this guy north. So I
Speaker 4: talked to the network and I flew up there. As
Speaker 4: you know, it's whatever like a nine hour, ten hour
Speaker 4: car drive up there, and I caught a plane up
Speaker 4: there and they were they were nice enough to take
Speaker 4: me around, and they took me up this one of
Speaker 4: those national parks east of there, and we went and
Speaker 4: they had an encounter. I don't know if you might
Speaker 4: have talked to me about this, but they got attacked
Speaker 4: by they said, a bunch of gingeries that were swooping
Speaker 4: down and like jumping down, like swinging on vines and
Speaker 4: swinging on branches, and they'd come down and they actually
Speaker 4: snapped a pair of sunglasses off one of the guys. Heards.
Speaker 5: Wow, I hadn't heard that story. But Cole's lab and
Speaker 5: his family and his experiences there are really really interesting
Speaker 5: because he's on single peninsula, so that's pretty close to
Speaker 5: the border. It's a little peninsula and it's almost right
Speaker 5: on the border of New Southwales and Queensland. And he's
Speaker 5: part of his family is part of an indigenous community
Speaker 5: that's lived on that little peninsula, which is only about
Speaker 5: ten k's long and about I think it's less than
Speaker 5: a k wide and about ten ks long. And he
Speaker 5: got in touch with us and we did just before
Speaker 5: we did the Alley book, and was talking to us
Speaker 5: about it. So his family say that on that peninsula
Speaker 5: there was a hairy man that lived there that had
Speaker 5: a relationship with the cultural group there, and in fact
Speaker 5: that lived on a cave and when his family and
Speaker 5: when they're cultural group, because the cultural group would stay
Speaker 5: down in winter, they'd stay down in the beach area
Speaker 5: and in summer they go up into the mountains. And
Speaker 5: he said the hairy man would actually mind this cultural
Speaker 5: group all of their things in the cave. So they
Speaker 5: had this kind of relationship. But it wasn't when he
Speaker 5: was talking to me too, he said only a few
Speaker 5: when he was when he was quite young at school,
Speaker 5: he'd seen this hairy man sitting by the road and
Speaker 5: walked up to it, and in fact, in the Yowie
Speaker 5: there's a sketch that he did. So he said, you know,
Speaker 5: this wasn't just some kind of loose cultural tradition, so
Speaker 5: this thing was known, it would actually be in the bush.
Speaker 5: But it's such a small peninsula, you know, it was
Speaker 5: like hard to imagine, but he was saying it was.
Speaker 5: It was effectively still there, you know, in this tiny place.
Speaker 4: They said they saw it when we were there. We
Speaker 4: went and filmed with them when we were there, and
Speaker 4: I got there ahead of times, so I got to
Speaker 4: spend a lot of time with them. And they took
Speaker 4: me up to the river where they had that incident
Speaker 4: with the jungu is up there, and we were walking
Speaker 4: up they were they were really afraid of those things,
Speaker 4: and we were going up. There was a gum tree
Speaker 4: that was snapped. I think there was about a seven
Speaker 4: inch you know diameter, you know, fresh and we heard
Speaker 4: snap crack and come down on the river because we
Speaker 4: had to walk up the river. Did you say what
Speaker 4: to that spot with those guys or not.
Speaker 5: I haven't caught up with Kyle and this Slab family
Speaker 5: for quite quite a long time, so we only kind
Speaker 5: of connected when we talked about that initial stuff. So
Speaker 5: that's really interesting. I'd always wanted to go back up
Speaker 5: to fingle but just across so that little peninsula that
Speaker 5: they live on, that his family lived on fingle Head,
Speaker 5: just across the river on the kind of on the
Speaker 5: mainland side, less than two kilometers away. Independently of that,
Speaker 5: Paul Kronk, an environmental scientist, wrote to Tony and I
Speaker 5: and said, hey, back in nineteen seventy seven, when I
Speaker 5: was really young, I grew up just opposite Fingle and
Speaker 5: me and this friend, we're kind of playing in this
Speaker 5: gully and we saw this tree shaking, kind of thinking
Speaker 5: what the heck is that? And then they saw this
Speaker 5: yowie kind of walk down a gully into the bushes,
Speaker 5: like the stories and the stories in our bowie. But
Speaker 5: I thought, wow, that's amazing. So his report was only
Speaker 5: like two kilometers across this fairly shallow kind of inlet
Speaker 5: across to the across the single where the you know,
Speaker 5: Carl and his family was saying they've been a hairyman
Speaker 5: seeing there for years. I thought that was like really interesting.
Speaker 5: I mean there was a long distance, a long time
Speaker 5: between the sightings but I thought just this very small,
Speaker 5: small geographical area.
Speaker 4: They said they saw one when we were there. We
Speaker 4: let them used that you were there a cliff when
Speaker 4: I gave him thermal imager and they walked out and
Speaker 4: they came running, tripping over themselves, running back into the
Speaker 4: house scared. They said they saw a gingerye on the
Speaker 4: thermal imager, like just a hundred meters from their house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can verify they said that. Yeah, they took
Speaker 2: off with the fleer and they were they were tripping out,
Speaker 2: going what is this like, oh my god, passing it
Speaker 2: back and forth with each other. They disappeared off into
Speaker 2: the brush and amongst the sand dunes there, and then
Speaker 2: not five eight minutes later, they came running back with
Speaker 2: the fear of God put in them something that they
Speaker 2: saw out there. So who knows what it went on
Speaker 2: about there, but yeah, yeah, they definitely said that they
Speaker 2: saw one of these things while we were there. Well,
Speaker 2: of course I immediately went over there and looked around,
Speaker 2: and there were footprints in the dune and stuff. But
Speaker 2: I mean which ones were human, which ones were not?
Speaker 4: Who knows because none of that family wore shoes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh right, yeah, Now I haven't seen Carl full
Speaker 5: but I'd love to get back up to there because
Speaker 5: I think it'd be a really interesting area to kind
Speaker 5: of look into a little further back in the early seventies,
Speaker 5: like this kind of middle to late seventies, there was
Speaker 5: a lot of yowi stories from the Gold Coast from
Speaker 5: northern New South Wales, just a ton and some of
Speaker 5: them were fantastic and probably the best ever. I think
Speaker 5: the best yaoi sighting ever is the one by the
Speaker 5: Australian Senator Bill o' chee and a group of a
Speaker 5: group of students from Southport School that were up in
Speaker 5: Springbrook on a holiday camp and who all watched this
Speaker 5: yawi on the side of a hill kind of stomping
Speaker 5: around and like you really, Bill, when he was an
Speaker 5: Australian Senator still a serving senator, was willing to come
Speaker 5: out and say, yeah, it happened when I was a kid.
Speaker 5: I'm going to stand by the story. I mean to me,
Speaker 5: that's like, you know, that's And we talked to another
Speaker 5: student that was at the school, who's still teaching at
Speaker 5: the school, still a tutor at the school, who said, yeah,
Speaker 5: Bill's right, I saw it. We all saw it. That's
Speaker 5: just the way that it is. So I thought, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's a that's an excellent report. Imagine how much Bill
Speaker 5: had to lose by standing up and saying I saw
Speaker 5: a yowie when I was a kid in the Australian Parliament.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Springbrook as what ten fifteen miles you know,
Speaker 2: you know, twenty thirty kilometers directly to the west of Finglehead, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's not it's a little Yeah, it's not
Speaker 5: far at all. So there was this big cluster of reports.
Speaker 5: When Paul had his experience that I was talking about,
Speaker 5: it was seventy seven, and that was basically the same
Speaker 5: year as billow Cheese starting in quite a few others
Speaker 5: around the Gold Coast at the time. And you know,
Speaker 5: the is that in the late seventies there was a
Speaker 5: lot of development on the coast, right, so all of
Speaker 5: these stories were happening kind of just in the fringe
Speaker 5: where suburbia was starting to push into some of these
Speaker 5: into some of these more wilder places. And Springbook is
Speaker 5: a wild place. It's pretty heavy bush and solid.
Speaker 2: So crap if I'm wrong, Paul, But isn't Springbook where
Speaker 2: that excellent footprint cast comes from?
Speaker 5: Yes, that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now Tony shared a cup like three different footprint
Speaker 2: casts with Bobo and I when we accidentally stumbled across
Speaker 2: him way up Bluff Creek oddly enough out of the blue.
Speaker 2: So there's a whole story into itself. But of the
Speaker 2: three that I saw, the only one that I would
Speaker 2: even consider real is the Springbrook one because it's the
Speaker 2: only one that even kind of looks like the stuff
Speaker 2: here from North America. It's a very impressive footprint cast.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there just isn't much footprint evidence here. I think.
Speaker 5: I think part of it is just the nature of
Speaker 5: our countryside, right, it's really dry. We don't have the
Speaker 5: same kind of fine grain dirt that you get in
Speaker 5: the Pacific Northwest. You know, that kind of fine dust
Speaker 5: that preserves the preserves footprints. And yeah that the casts
Speaker 5: and the photographs that have got they're just not consistent
Speaker 5: at all. So that's a bit of a mystery into itself.
Speaker 5: So yeah, there might be some reasons why that. Just
Speaker 5: people aren't attuned to it like they had a bigfoot.
Speaker 5: Then looking for those things the ground might not whole
Speaker 5: prints as well. I did find some tracks after a
Speaker 5: I've got two track stories one was the tracks that
Speaker 5: I found up in Kempsey after a report by two
Speaker 5: boys that's in the Houri as well, but again they
Speaker 5: were quite small, very deep, very deep, but not a
Speaker 5: lot of detail. And then only well, not that long
Speaker 5: ago I found another set of I got called up
Speaker 5: by someone that has found these kind of human like
Speaker 5: footprints on the edge of some highway work being done
Speaker 5: up in the same sort of general AIA can't see
Speaker 5: in the South Wales. But I took a lot of photos.
Speaker 5: I think I sent them to you, Cliff as well
Speaker 5: as doctor Melgum, and he said, that's a big person.
Speaker 5: That's a human foot. There's nothing particularly.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 2: Will be right back after these messages when we're down there.
Speaker 2: One of the count confounding things for me is that
Speaker 2: the indigenous people there just don't wear shoes unless they're
Speaker 2: going into town. They just don't wear shoes. So when
Speaker 2: you're out in the woods. I did find barefoot human
Speaker 2: footprints in very unlikely places. But they were they brown jacks,
Speaker 2: were they yowis? Were they human? They looked human to me.
Speaker 2: They're about human size, But I don't know anything about
Speaker 2: brown Jack Prince or ginger prints. I don't know anything.
Speaker 2: I don't know the first thing about them. I would
Speaker 2: assume that they would have like a flat foot in
Speaker 2: this and for flexibility and all that jazz, in which
Speaker 2: case it would mean that those were human prints that
Speaker 2: I saw. But man, they're in weird places in the ground,
Speaker 2: very strange places. But you know, the indigenous people there,
Speaker 2: they don't wear shoes ever in the woods.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I found it very frustrating in that sort of way, you.
Speaker 5: Know, working with Dean in his Yowi Hunter's team, Like
Speaker 5: they get lots of reports and lots of people send
Speaker 5: print photos, but often they'll just send one and you
Speaker 5: can't see the context, you don't see the size, so
Speaker 5: it's just very difficult to make a call. And again
Speaker 5: you don't have kind of we don't have like a
Speaker 5: reference print. We don't have the reference prints of what
Speaker 5: are you?
Speaker 4: What are you?
Speaker 5: Alway's foot looks like. So yeah, it's I think we
Speaker 5: mentioned that in both books, right, that just the track
Speaker 5: stuff is pretty inconsistent, and there's not much you can
Speaker 5: point to to say, well, we really, you know, we
Speaker 5: think this is a Yawi print. It's it just doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that Springbrook one is actually very interesting. I'm
Speaker 2: very impressed by that one. To me, that's the best
Speaker 2: physical evidence that I've seen out of Australia, although those
Speaker 2: the thermal stuff was really good too. Last year a
Speaker 2: year before that was great too.
Speaker 4: Oh that was the best best for the job. I
Speaker 4: love that. I mean, I have no doubt, no doubt
Speaker 4: at all. That shows two big yahoys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty good, isn't it. I Mean we included
Speaker 5: in the book because we thought, yeah, that is that's
Speaker 5: quite you know, that's we were impressed. We were impressed
Speaker 5: by that. So yeah, and we know the guys, all
Speaker 5: of the guys involved, and they're all solid. It's difficult
Speaker 5: to explain, even if you were pitched that these guys
Speaker 5: were hoaxed. The size, you know, the reference having the
Speaker 5: human people stand in the location, and you know, the
Speaker 5: comparison shops. Just so, no, this was something significantly bigger
Speaker 5: than a person, way bigger. Yeah, it's it's really interesting. So, yeah,
Speaker 5: we've got a chat. We've got kind of a quite
Speaker 5: a few pages on that in the back of the howifile.
Speaker 2: So you said that someone in the Parliament actually has
Speaker 2: had seen a sasquatch and I s yowie. Rather, how
Speaker 2: often do you run into law enforcement? Are people who
Speaker 2: work for other federal agencies encountering one of these things
Speaker 2: or finding evidence of one.
Speaker 5: I know actually quite friendly with an officer who a
Speaker 5: police officer in Queensland who's been who's had an experience
Speaker 5: in quietly investigating any spare time yari reports. So he's
Speaker 5: had his own experience and great guy, very solid, just
Speaker 5: does it quietly though not as part of do his
Speaker 5: official duties. Beyond that, I'm not really aware of any
Speaker 5: kind of police officers who are kind of claiming that
Speaker 5: they've had Yawi experiences. I don't think we have any
Speaker 5: in the book. So yeah, I haven't come across anyone
Speaker 5: apart from him.
Speaker 2: And this police officer. Is he keeping his own files
Speaker 2: and documenting like a proper police investigation.
Speaker 5: No, this is all staff that he's done in his
Speaker 5: spare time with other researchers as an individual and outside
Speaker 5: of his official police duties here.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, but but but but with the with
Speaker 2: the sensibilities of a cop.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, so I've seen, yeah, I've seen police doing
Speaker 5: reports where where they're where yaw, He's been reported to them,
Speaker 5: but no, I haven't heard. I haven't heard of any
Speaker 5: others outside of him. But yeah, he's really impressive, really impressed.
Speaker 4: Do you know anyone that's got good hair samples down there?
Speaker 5: I've seen a few bouncing around, and I think Dean
Speaker 5: Harrison sent some across for analysis, but I've never seen
Speaker 5: anything really definitive come out of it.
Speaker 4: No, this is a little off topic, Paul. How many
Speaker 4: people have you talked to the said they've seen a
Speaker 4: Thila scene?
Speaker 5: Oh a lot, a lot, like maybe sixty or sixty.
Speaker 5: But I kind of I kind of stopped, you know,
Speaker 5: when we did Out of the Shadows. My my interests
Speaker 5: were wide. I was looking at big cat stories and
Speaker 5: firelessing stories. But then I think, you know, I kind
Speaker 5: of got zeroed in on the Yowie and a lot
Speaker 5: of that other stuff and the far on that I
Speaker 5: kind of put to one side. All of my all
Speaker 5: of my big cat files, all of my file acind files,
Speaker 5: all of my other my Bunyant files and everything are
Speaker 5: with the State Library and New South Wales. You got reports, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: still not as many, I mean, not as many but
Speaker 5: we still keep we still were getting some. But you know,
Speaker 5: the rivers today are pretty much way different to what
Speaker 5: they were like in the late eight hundreds and nineteen
Speaker 5: hundreds when all of those reports were, you know, were happening,
Speaker 5: I think and out of the shadows we said a
Speaker 5: lot of them might have been sea or reports, because
Speaker 5: occasionally seals would have made their way up into the
Speaker 5: river into our river systems as far as two thousand
Speaker 5: kilometers upstream, so from the sea. So we think a
Speaker 5: lot of the bunnyt reports were potentially seals. And now
Speaker 5: that there's so many dams on those rivers, seals can't
Speaker 5: make it up as far as they used to.
Speaker 4: Was there was there a concentrated spot, Was there like
Speaker 4: one general error that Thaasian reports were the most common.
Speaker 5: There was a couple of spots where they were very common,
Speaker 5: almost in the south west of Wa. There were quite
Speaker 5: a few in central Victoria that were pretty much There
Speaker 5: was a lot on the mainland of Australia. And to
Speaker 5: be honest, Bobo, I think almost all of the mainland reports,
Speaker 5: if not all, the mainland reports were misidentifications, probably foxes
Speaker 5: with mange, because when foxes get mange they can get
Speaker 5: this striped appearance and it's really really looks like it's
Speaker 5: alasting from a distance and if you see it quickly.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 2: Bobo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: Is that thastine picture, you know that one, the thadasting
Speaker 4: picture of the people say, it's a stuffed one on
Speaker 4: a trail and like it's like going up the tails
Speaker 4: stick up. What do you think of that?
Speaker 5: It just looked really artificial to me. Not convinced, Not convinced,
Speaker 5: that's what I thought. Yeah, it just didn't know. I
Speaker 5: think there are a few reasons to kind of be
Speaker 5: really doubtful about it. And you only see a part
Speaker 5: of the back of the tail, right, that's it. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't think it really convinced anyone. So I think
Speaker 5: there's a low possibility of thylacines still exist in Tasmania.
Speaker 5: Low but you know, fingers crossed. But I think there's
Speaker 5: a zero possibility of thylacines still being alive on the mainland.
Speaker 2: Do you get yowie or you know, hairy harmonoid reports
Speaker 2: of any type from the islands across you know, Tasmania
Speaker 2: and like even New Zealand for example.
Speaker 5: Okay, the in Tasmania, there's a couple of reports, maybe
Speaker 5: five or six, so not a lot, but there's a few.
Speaker 5: None of them are you know, top tier reports. None.
Speaker 5: They're little kind of secondary kind of things. The New
Speaker 5: Zealand stuff. I know that there's a there's a cultural
Speaker 5: tradition amongst the Maori of wild people in New Zealand,
Speaker 5: but as far as far as the modern reports, I
Speaker 5: haven't seen anything so made me think that's legitimate at all.
Speaker 5: And in fact, when I started looking into it, it
Speaker 5: did seem like a lot of the original reports of
Speaker 5: the Coromental hairy Man came out of one person who
Speaker 5: was like a media like a who was a reporter
Speaker 5: just really trying to kind of ge up a story
Speaker 5: out of nothing. So I have never spoken to it.
Speaker 5: I've never spoken to a firsthand witness to the New
Speaker 5: Zealand stories. As far as I can see, there's no
Speaker 5: traditional historical tradition. I mean, apart from them, there's the
Speaker 5: marriage traditions, but there isn't anything like in the contemporary
Speaker 5: newspaper reports. You know that like in the Awifi, we've
Speaker 5: got all those stories from the late seventeen hundreds right
Speaker 5: through to early nineteen hundreds. You know, year after year,
Speaker 5: century after century. In New Zealand, they have their newspaper
Speaker 5: reports online, their older newspaper reports online as well. Nothing.
Speaker 5: So there's no consistent European tradition before the modern day
Speaker 5: until the stories pop up in I think it was
Speaker 5: probably the fifties or sixties, a couple of newspaper reports
Speaker 5: and all of them came out of the same person
Speaker 5: at that time.
Speaker 4: I'm so disappointed. I was so bowed out to find
Speaker 4: out the Moe how wasn't true because I've always wanted
Speaker 4: to go to New Zealand, like this is perfect combined
Speaker 4: squashing with going to New Zealand. Then looking at it more,
Speaker 4: I was like, I was like kind of crushing to
Speaker 4: find out, like they're probably out there.
Speaker 5: Well go to New Zealand. It's a fantastic place and
Speaker 5: well worth a visit. But if you're searching for if
Speaker 5: you're searching for Squatch, I wouldn't be doing it in
Speaker 5: New Zealand. But yeah, there's just so it's very it's
Speaker 5: very suspicious, very suspicious. Well so, yeah, but there is
Speaker 5: a I mean, there's a cultural tradition, it's really clear,
Speaker 5: but there's nothing in there's nothing between you know, colonization
Speaker 5: and you know the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties. Then
Speaker 5: there's some secondhand reports, nothing firsthand, and then since then
Speaker 5: occasional stories pop up, but again there's never a single
Speaker 5: witness is quoted. There's nobody can talk to. And if
Speaker 5: there was somebody who could talk to I probably would
Speaker 5: have talked to them in the past thirty years, but
Speaker 5: there's never been anyone.
Speaker 2: Well, it seems that most of the reports and correct
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong, but by reading your first book
Speaker 2: and leading through these other ones, and most of the
Speaker 2: reports are east coast reports, generally South Queensland and New
Speaker 2: South Wales, a little bit of Victoria, right is that
Speaker 2: because that's where you guys live. Or is there a
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff down in like Western Australia by Perth
Speaker 2: or something and there's they generally got unreported or what
Speaker 2: do you think is going on?
Speaker 5: Well, the majority reports are in the majority of reports
Speaker 5: to where the majority of people are, to be honest,
Speaker 5: So that's on the east coast Queensland, in Southwales, Victoria.
Speaker 5: But there's still a lot of really good reports in
Speaker 5: South Australia, in the Southwest of Wa, and even in
Speaker 5: the in northern Western Australia and in the Northern Territory
Speaker 5: and some in Central Australia. But I think, you know,
Speaker 5: I think the reports reflect where people are to see them,
Speaker 5: So I don't necessarily know that it means that's that's
Speaker 5: the only places that yoois are, but you know, it's
Speaker 5: it seems to be. Yeah, it's where the most people are,
Speaker 5: where people are traveling and where they're driving and so forth.
Speaker 5: There's not so many reports from Central Australia, although there
Speaker 5: are indigenous traditions from Central Australia and there are some
Speaker 5: reports that are pretty good from Central Australia. So it
Speaker 5: could be that yoois are you know that It could
Speaker 5: be that there's encounters that we just don't hear about them,
Speaker 5: or yeah, you obviously only get the reports where there's
Speaker 5: people to see them.
Speaker 2: Sure, And I don't know have you done John Green
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies, of course, discovered a strong correlation between
Speaker 2: rainfall and sasquatch settings. Have you found similar patterns here?
Speaker 2: Because Central Australia, correct me if I'm wrong. I've never
Speaker 2: been there, but it seems dry as a bone for
Speaker 2: the most part unless you run some springs or something.
Speaker 2: But as far as rainfall and whatnot, it's going to
Speaker 2: be mostly coastal stuff, I imagine. Is there a correlation
Speaker 2: there as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but people are where the climates and isis and
Speaker 5: that's where the more where the rainfall is. So yeah,
Speaker 5: there is a connection. But again it's like the people
Speaker 5: are where essentral Australia is incredibly dry, so people tend
Speaker 5: to settle here with the climates a bit more moderate,
Speaker 5: which is around generally around the coastal fringes, and that's
Speaker 5: where most of the reports are. But that could be
Speaker 5: a reflection of as I said, people not necessarily Dowleys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it comes down to a people factor, just like
Speaker 2: I know we hear in North America sighting reports drop
Speaker 2: off pretty dramatically in the wintertime, and that's probably a
Speaker 2: people factor too.
Speaker 5: It was actually it was kind of through John Green
Speaker 5: that I met Tony because I started corresponding with John
Speaker 5: in probably about nineteen seventy six seventy seven, and then
Speaker 5: I met him twice traveling to Canada, and one time
Speaker 5: he took me over to meet Bob Tipmas. I met
Speaker 5: him as well and had to chat with him.
Speaker 2: Oh you're lucky. Never met the guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he was interesting guy, and yeah, we had
Speaker 5: a long chat about Bigfoot. So when I got interested,
Speaker 5: I started kind of traveling around a bit trying to meet,
Speaker 5: you know, different people in the field, and met Rene
Speaker 5: to Hindon as well at the Vancouver Gun Club and
Speaker 5: had some Australian beers with him and talked Bigfoot. So yeah,
Speaker 5: it's kind of interesting meeting different people in the field.
Speaker 2: Oh lucky, you lucky. And they met either one of
Speaker 2: those guys, and I would have loved them met either,
Speaker 2: let alone both all he smokes.
Speaker 4: Those two and Roger Potterson, those are the two I want.
Speaker 4: Those three, Roger Potterson, Renee and Tetanus, those are the
Speaker 4: three I wish.
Speaker 5: I could have met. You definitely need to talk to
Speaker 5: Tony because he actually spent more time with with Renee.
Speaker 5: I think he was kind of part of his crowd
Speaker 5: for a while because he worked in Canada and spent
Speaker 5: a long time traveling around so year. Definitely, he's got
Speaker 5: lots of Renee to Hinden stories and he actually went
Speaker 5: to the conference in you know the first kind of
Speaker 5: Sasquatch conference I think in British Columbia seventy seven. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: that big one. So he was there when all of
Speaker 5: that was happening, so he'll have some great stories to tell.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll definitely get Tony on at some future point,
Speaker 2: but you know, why don't we close up the regular
Speaker 2: episode here and maybe if you can stick around for
Speaker 2: our members episode, I'd like to ask you about some
Speaker 2: of the specific and more impressive Yawi encounters that you've
Speaker 2: documented and your thoughts on them.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sure, why don't we get into that with the members
Speaker 2: And it's a few minutes here, so if you can
Speaker 2: hang on for a second. Paul, thank you very much
Speaker 2: for joining us on a regular episode of Bigfoot and Beyond.
Speaker 2: And now we're going to go to beyond Bigfoot and
Speaker 2: Beyond for our members. Thank you for our members and
Speaker 2: everybody else who listens to this. We really do appreciate it.
Speaker 2: And then thank you very much to Paul Cropper who
Speaker 2: joined us today on Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks Paul. There, we're going to have links to
Speaker 4: the book and the show notes down below. Check it out.
Speaker 4: It's a great book. It's got all the all the
Speaker 4: history of the YadA in Australia from the beginning till now.
Speaker 4: It's awesome. I can't recommend it enough.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Paul, Thanks guys, great to chat.
Speaker 4: Yep, and thanks for listening to Bigfoot and Beyond everyone,
Speaker 4: And until next week, y'all keep it squatchy.
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