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<v Speaker 3>Hey guys, it's me CJ. I sure hope you're all

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<v Speaker 3>well and that summer is treating You're right. I can't

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<v Speaker 3>complain too much. Our weather has been in the load

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<v Speaker 3>to mid sixties, but sometimes it feels like it's in

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<v Speaker 3>the mid fifties, which means it's still sweatpants and hoodie weather.

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<v Speaker 3>For me, I don't have too much going on. It's

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<v Speaker 3>been nice having the kids back, So with that, I

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<v Speaker 3>guess we'll just jump into the case. In twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen year old Klay Stevens was living in Lawton, Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 3>Being an openly gay young man in the state of Oklahoma,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure it had to be particularly rough for Clay.

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<v Speaker 3>Clay was born and raised in Dallas, Texas, which I

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<v Speaker 3>believe to be a little more open to the LGBTQ community. However,

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<v Speaker 3>Lawton is the sixth biggest city in Oklahoma, with just

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<v Speaker 3>over ninety thousand people, and although a small representation, it

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<v Speaker 3>does have a limited but present LGBTQ community. Nothing like Dallas. However,

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<v Speaker 3>Anne Lawton does lean towards being conservative. Clay made the

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<v Speaker 3>move to go live with his grandparents. He had an

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<v Speaker 3>especially close relationship with his grandmother and he wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>be there to help take care of her. But there's

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<v Speaker 3>another reason why I think he really moved to be

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<v Speaker 3>with his grandparents, and I'll get into that. In Lawton,

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<v Speaker 3>Clay would finish out high school. At the time of

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<v Speaker 3>his move to his grandparents, Clay was just seventeen years old,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was reeling from a family tragedy that had

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<v Speaker 3>just occurred in twenty twenty one. You see Clay's cousin,

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<v Speaker 3>Haley Watts, who was only eighteen. She was murdered in

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<v Speaker 3>Fort Worth, Texas in twenty twenty one. Clay loved Hayley

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<v Speaker 3>so much. She was his best friend, and he took

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<v Speaker 3>her murder extra hard. Haley and her boyfriend were shot

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<v Speaker 3>in an apartment complex while in Haley's car. They were there,

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<v Speaker 3>or at least thought they were there to be selling

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<v Speaker 3>a gaming system, but I think they were set up.

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<v Speaker 3>Two individuals shot into Haley's car, missing the boyfriend but

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<v Speaker 3>fatally hitting Haley. Since Clay was so close with Haley,

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<v Speaker 3>he was hoping by moving three hours away to his grandparents,

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<v Speaker 3>he could get his mind together after losing her and

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<v Speaker 3>focus his grief in a more productive way, and caring

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<v Speaker 3>for his grandparents would be just one of those ways.

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<v Speaker 3>Clay settled into his grandparents' home and he finished out

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<v Speaker 3>high school before finding a job. According to his friends,

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<v Speaker 3>Clay wasn't very big on partying. He had a close

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<v Speaker 3>circle of friends and he mostly stuck to them. But

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<v Speaker 3>Clay was seeing somebody in secret, a twenty four year

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<v Speaker 3>old man named Tajuan Richardson often went by his nickname

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<v Speaker 3>of Pooh Butt and just to clarify that it's Pooh

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<v Speaker 3>po H like Winnie the Pooh, not Pooh is in shit. Although,

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<v Speaker 3>like me, when I'm done telling you about this story,

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<v Speaker 3>you might consider Tiuan a piece of shit too. The

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<v Speaker 3>relationship between Clay and Tijuan was secret because Tiuan also

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<v Speaker 3>had a girlfriend, a pregnant girlfriend. At that Tiuan was

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<v Speaker 3>fearful his girlfriend would find out that he was also

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<v Speaker 3>sleeping with a gay man. Come April of twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 3>the secrecy was weighing on Clay. He had sent numerous

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<v Speaker 3>texts to Tauan telling him how he felt about it

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<v Speaker 3>and that he didn't like that Tiuan was still involved

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<v Speaker 3>with his girlfriend. This situation was causing so much tension

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<v Speaker 3>between both Clay and Tuan, and it just continued to

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<v Speaker 3>get worse. Clay threatened to out to Wan to his

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<v Speaker 3>girlfriend to responded to these threats with intense hostility. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure was not the reaction Clay thought he would get

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<v Speaker 3>from the man he was interested in in having a

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<v Speaker 3>sexual relationship with. Hal Clay might have even thought he

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<v Speaker 3>was in love with Tiwan. On April ninth, twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 3>year round seven thirty am, which just happened to be

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<v Speaker 3>Easter Sunday that year, police responded to a call of

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<v Speaker 3>a possible deceased body in a rural area of Lawton

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<v Speaker 3>Coombs Road in thirty eighth Street. As officers responded to

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<v Speaker 3>the call, they found a male victim who was dead

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<v Speaker 3>from a gunshot wound to his face. They immediately knew

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<v Speaker 3>the case was one of homicide. The police were quickly

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<v Speaker 3>able to identify the body as nineteen year old Clay Stevens.

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<v Speaker 3>Clay was last seen the night prior visiting friends While

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<v Speaker 3>visiting the friends, he placed a call to someone else.

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<v Speaker 3>When the call ended, he left his friend's home, but

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<v Speaker 3>he promised to return shortly, but he never did. Days later,

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<v Speaker 3>an abandoned Chrysler Pacifica was located in Vernon, Texas. The

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<v Speaker 3>name on the registration showed the car belonged to Twan's girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 3>Vernon police found blood on both the exterior and inside

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<v Speaker 3>the interior of the car. Meanwhile, back in Oklahoma, the

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<v Speaker 3>Lawton Police were searching Clay's phone records. They found that

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<v Speaker 3>his last call was made to a number belonging to

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<v Speaker 3>a Tiwan Richardson. Lawton investigators also secured video footage from

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<v Speaker 3>Clay's friends home showing a Chrysler Pacifica picking Clay up

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<v Speaker 3>in the early hours of Easter morning. You know, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't say this too often, but the Lawton Police, they

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<v Speaker 3>really did a good job in getting to this case

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<v Speaker 3>and everything seemed to be falling into place for this investigation.

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<v Speaker 3>Vernon Police in Texas got a hold of the Lawton

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<v Speaker 3>Police regarding the Pacifica that they found in their jurisdiction.

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<v Speaker 3>They also told the Lawton police about the blood that

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<v Speaker 3>was discovered. It was now April eighteenth, nine days after

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<v Speaker 3>Clay's murder, Tiwan was still molling around the Texas area.

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<v Speaker 3>He called his mom from Wichita Falls and he told

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<v Speaker 3>her what he had done. And then he asked her

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<v Speaker 3>if she would come get him and take him back

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<v Speaker 3>to Lawton so he could turn himself in. So, his

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<v Speaker 3>mom and a couple of other family members took the

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<v Speaker 3>hour drive from Lawton to wichitaf Balls to pick up

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<v Speaker 3>to Wan. On the way back to Lawton, the family

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<v Speaker 3>stopped at a taco bell off the highway. It was

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<v Speaker 3>inside this taco bell Towan had a change of heart.

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<v Speaker 3>He took his family keys and he abandoned them at

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<v Speaker 3>the fast food restaurant. I'm sure plenty pissed off it

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<v Speaker 3>to one the family reported he had stolen their black

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<v Speaker 3>Toyota Camry. The US Marshals responded and they entered the

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<v Speaker 3>information into their database. Now all the states that surrounded

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<v Speaker 3>Texas were on the lookout for the black Toyota Camry

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<v Speaker 3>with the Oklahoma plates. In Holbrook, Arizona State troopers located

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<v Speaker 3>the reported vehicle on Interstate forty as it was leaving

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<v Speaker 3>New Mexico. The car was heading west towards California. The

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<v Speaker 3>trooper that spotted the car attempted to make a traffic

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<v Speaker 3>stop with the vehicle, but the car sped up. The

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<v Speaker 3>trooper then began a high speed pursuit of the car.

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<v Speaker 3>Around three forty pm, the speeds reached in excess of

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<v Speaker 3>over one hundred miles per hour were one sixty point

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<v Speaker 3>nine three kilometers for my non US listeners, roughly thirty

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<v Speaker 3>five miles west of Holbrook. US marshals laid out a

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<v Speaker 3>spike strip on the highway. I'm pretty sure they closed

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<v Speaker 3>the highway down too. They would have had to close

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<v Speaker 3>it for a stretch at least. They didn't want to

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<v Speaker 3>risk having any civilian casualties. One in his high speed

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<v Speaker 3>attempt to avoid capture, hit these spikes, which immediately punctured

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<v Speaker 3>the tires of the car. He lost total control, crashing

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<v Speaker 3>into some bushes that were inside the highway. Median Towan

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<v Speaker 3>was taken into custody right there on the spot. He

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<v Speaker 3>didn't require any medical attention. He was arrested, charged and

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<v Speaker 3>put in an Arizona jail where he awaited extradition back

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<v Speaker 3>to Oklahoma. When she finally got back to Lawton, his

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<v Speaker 3>mom was arrested for aiding a fugitive. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 3>for charge stuck or not, or if she had a

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<v Speaker 3>fine or served any time, but I just think that

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<v Speaker 3>sucks for her. First, her kid steals her car, leaves

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<v Speaker 3>are stranded at a taco bell, then he crashes her vehicle,

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<v Speaker 3>and now she's getting arrested. What a pooh butt, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>the shit kind. Tiuan was charged with three main felonies

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<v Speaker 3>that he pleaded guilty to. Those were a first degree murder,

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<v Speaker 3>unlawful removal of a dead body, and unlawful possession of

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<v Speaker 3>a weapon after a former felony conviction. Man, this pooh

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<v Speaker 3>Butt is bad news. He was already a felon before

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<v Speaker 3>ever meeting Clay. While awaiting his trial in January of

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty four, Tiuan was slapped with nine additional charges

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<v Speaker 3>after a hostage situation took place in the correctional facility

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<v Speaker 3>that he was being held at. Two of these included

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<v Speaker 3>kidnapping and a soul in battery with a dangerous weapon.

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<v Speaker 3>Because pooh Butt wasn't in enough trouble as it fucking was,

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<v Speaker 3>he had to create more chaos. What an asshole. When

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<v Speaker 3>Taiwan finally had his day in court, he not only

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<v Speaker 3>pleaded guilty, but he was found guilty and sentenced to

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<v Speaker 3>life in prison without the possibility of ever parolling, take

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<v Speaker 3>that pooh butt and in your next life, own up

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<v Speaker 3>to your shit. Man. If he would have just owned

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<v Speaker 3>up that he was in a gay relationship and a

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<v Speaker 3>hetero relationship, he wouldn't have had to take a young

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<v Speaker 3>gay man's life from him. Clay has been described by

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<v Speaker 3>family and friends as being outspoken, funny, and kind. He

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<v Speaker 3>was deeply empathetic, and he had a great smile. Clay

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<v Speaker 3>loved cooking, especially chicken wings, and music, with Rihanna, Cardi

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<v Speaker 3>B and Nicki Minaj being among his favorites. He also

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<v Speaker 3>loved movies. He's with his cousin Haley now rest in power, Clay.

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<v Speaker 3>I just feel so bad for that boy. He seemed

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<v Speaker 3>like such a sweetie and I know his family must

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<v Speaker 3>miss him so very much. Okay, let me see if

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<v Speaker 3>I can leave us all on a happier note. It

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<v Speaker 3>looks like the UK is following the Netherlands lead with

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<v Speaker 3>banning conversion therapy for members of the LGBTQ, although they

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<v Speaker 3>aren't quite at the same point of criminalizing those who

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<v Speaker 3>are performing it. It's a start. California is allocating twenty

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<v Speaker 3>six million dollars to safeguarding gender affirming care from federal interference. Dang,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a lot of money and so great of Governor

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<v Speaker 3>Gavin Newsom from California. I love that he's doing this

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<v Speaker 3>for the LGBTQ community, but it is truly too bad

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<v Speaker 3>he has to protect the community from the federal bad guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Still good for California. Now for a few jokes. A

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<v Speaker 3>guy came out to his dad as bisexual. His dad as, so,

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<v Speaker 3>you can date a man or a woman, and that

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<v Speaker 3>means you're by yes, dad exactly. So if you aren't

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<v Speaker 3>seeing anyone, does that mean you are on standby? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Dad's Two old lesbians were doing it on a park bench.

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<v Speaker 3>The first one says to the second one, take off

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<v Speaker 3>says to the first, put yours on athole, you're licking

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<v Speaker 3>the bench. And lastly, what is the primary distinction between

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<v Speaker 3>a straight and a gay man? A straight man and

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<v Speaker 3>dresses a woman with his eyes, well, a gay man

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<v Speaker 3>has already imagined a whole new, more stylish outfit for

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<v Speaker 3>But I love you guys. You matter, and remember it's

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<v Speaker 3>not a crime to be gay or to live your truth.

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<v Speaker 3>Say it with me, y'all, unless you're a murderer.