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Speaker 5: shocking killers in true crime history and the authors that
Speaker 5: have written about them. After years of hard work, Brian
Speaker 5: and Jeanie League had earned a well deserved life of
Speaker 5: leisure in their picture perfect Phoenix mansion until their troubled
Speaker 5: son showed up with a need for cash and a
Speaker 5: thirst for murder. David Legg was an obsessive control freak
Speaker 5: and an army deserter. After fathering an illegitimate child, he
Speaker 5: wooed and wed a trusting young woman, only to destroy
Speaker 5: his marriage with lies and infidelities. But his susceptions were
Speaker 5: far from over. In June of nineteen ninety six, Genie
Speaker 5: and Brian were found shot to death, their bodies sitting
Speaker 5: next to each other on their living room love seat.
Speaker 5: Jeanie's expensive ring and the couple's credit cards were missing. Meanwhile, David,
Speaker 5: the prime suspect, was living it up in Hawaii with
Speaker 5: his fifteen year old girlfriend draining his dead parents savings
Speaker 5: through ATMs. After a long and costly chase, this remorseless
Speaker 5: killer faced a jury of his peers in two thousand
Speaker 5: and was locked behind bars for life. The book This
Speaker 5: Evening We're featured is a Deadly Deceit by a returning
Speaker 5: guest and journalist and best selling author, Don Lassiter. Welcome
Speaker 5: back to the program, Don Lassiter.
Speaker 6: Hi Dan, great to be with you again.
Speaker 7: Thank you very much for green to come back on
Speaker 7: another great book. Congratulations. Let's start off with a little
Speaker 7: bit of the details of Deadly Deceit. I guess maybe
Speaker 7: we can introduce some of the characters. Let's introduce Brian
Speaker 7: and Jeanie Legg. Let's go way back and talk about
Speaker 7: the lives of Brian Legg to start.
Speaker 6: Okay, Brian LaGG was an Air Force captain served in
Speaker 6: Vietnam and honorably retired and from the Air Force and
Speaker 6: met a mother of three young well actually teenagers by
Speaker 6: that time, and the fell in love and married her
Speaker 6: within about a year or so. They have their own son,
Speaker 6: David Legg.
Speaker 7: Now they went on to have other children as well,
Speaker 7: but was that they adopted some children?
Speaker 6: Tell us a little. Jeannie had children from previous marriage, yes, yes,
Speaker 6: and when David, when Brian married, they're only a child together,
Speaker 6: was David.
Speaker 7: Yes, Okay, thank you for that. Okay, Now, so tell
Speaker 7: us what life was like growing up with Brian Lake,
Speaker 7: What was really what Brian Legg, David's father really like,
Speaker 7: and what was the mother like? Characterized their life in
Speaker 7: some of the characteristics of these people, and tell us
Speaker 7: a little bit about their life.
Speaker 6: Well, it's interesting that on one hand we get there.
Speaker 6: In the book. I profile what David Legg said about
Speaker 6: his own parents, particularly his father. He was quite critical,
Speaker 6: saying that Brian had abused him and beaten him rather severely,
Speaker 6: and that was way restrictive. Other sources tell me that
Speaker 6: this was a very nice couple, that Brian Legg and
Speaker 6: Jeanie were just terrific people. And when David subs equately
Speaker 6: met and married a girl named Alicia La Flesh, Alicia
Speaker 6: fell in love with Brian and Jeanie. She'd had she
Speaker 6: had been abused in her own childhood and had suffered
Speaker 6: terrible trauma with no love, and when she met Brian
Speaker 6: and Jeannie, David's parents, she just she thought she was
Speaker 6: in heaven with this wonderful couple. So we have two
Speaker 6: very conflicting views of what Brian and Jeanie leg were.
Speaker 7: Like, well, okay, you do have that, you mentioned that
Speaker 7: that you go in the book and talk about that.
Speaker 7: But you know that being given that Alicia comes from
Speaker 7: a totally incredibly dysfunctional family, so she would be relieved
Speaker 7: to find any kind of normalacy as compared to her
Speaker 7: own family. That would be fair.
Speaker 6: That's correct, Yes, that's fair.
Speaker 7: Now tell us a little bit though about because I
Speaker 7: found it very fascinating some of the things that some
Speaker 7: of the characteristics of Brian and his son's relationships, some
Speaker 7: of the things that he was strict about, and certainly
Speaker 7: being in the military, it's not a big stretch for
Speaker 7: somebody to be critical and beginning orders. So tell us
Speaker 7: a little bit more about Brian Leg though, and then
Speaker 7: especially the relationship, and then tell us about what characterized
Speaker 7: some of their family life, including you know, the need
Speaker 7: to move quite often in the career of Brian Lake.
Speaker 6: Well, David and Brian did have some fractious relations between
Speaker 6: them because David young, David was well, an odd child
Speaker 6: in many ways, he was a clean freak. He'd wash
Speaker 6: his hands frequently every day. His room was made up
Speaker 6: perfectly unusual for young boys, and he he would he
Speaker 6: would be a little defiant once in a while, and
Speaker 6: as you say, Brian being a military man, exercise discipline
Speaker 6: of the boy. At one point it was alleged that
Speaker 6: he ran over David's bicycle deliberately as a punishment thing.
Speaker 6: But again that that came from David later in later years.
Speaker 6: So it's hard to know exactly just how problematical the
Speaker 6: relationship was. But they they grew up and moved quite
Speaker 6: frequently early on, a typical of military families. They moved
Speaker 6: around a lot. And it's also been suggested that they
Speaker 6: had some some financial management problems and that caused them
Speaker 6: to move around. But finally they settled in h in
Speaker 6: a beautiful home in uh in uh in northern California,
Speaker 6: in an upscale district, and and they seemed to be
Speaker 6: doing quite well there.
Speaker 7: Now was there. What I found was interesting too, And
Speaker 7: maybe you can clarify this how much came from from
Speaker 7: the uh from David himself, and then that's questionable whether
Speaker 7: that's true or not, or disingenuous or not. Tell us
Speaker 7: what you did find for certain, about sort of the
Speaker 7: sexual attitude that David experienced through Brian. What was Bryan
Speaker 7: Legg's idea of sort of making his son a man?
Speaker 7: And what did you find out was the difference between
Speaker 7: what David had said and maybe what you had found
Speaker 7: independently of sort of that characteristic of the family dynamic.
Speaker 6: Well, David was later found to be let's say, sexually involved,
Speaker 6: way young and a sex addict, he would later be called.
Speaker 6: He blamed it on his parents, saying that they were
Speaker 6: into pornography and that they did some strange things like
Speaker 6: swinging and swapping. But again, it's hard to know just
Speaker 6: how credible that is. In some cases, Brian was a
Speaker 6: very good father. He took him to concerts even and
Speaker 6: there's a there's a concert with one rock group that
Speaker 6: you can look up on YouTube. Put the David and
Speaker 6: Briand's name in and you can see that they were
Speaker 6: actually at a concert and you can see them in
Speaker 6: about the fourth or fifth row of the concert.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I found it very interesting that some of
Speaker 7: the things it seemed to be sort of contradictory behavior.
Speaker 7: It seemed, even if you don't take David's word for
Speaker 7: a lot of things where you talk about where the
Speaker 7: son was probably disciplined quite heavily for what some people
Speaker 7: might think of minor infraction. Yet he racked up and
Speaker 7: you know, this is a few years ago, two thousand
Speaker 7: dollars on a sex chat line and his father really
Speaker 7: didn't discipline him for that. So tell us a little
Speaker 7: bit about that incident. And yeah, you were talking about
Speaker 7: taking him to a concert to So it really was
Speaker 7: a guy that seemed to be very cool in some respects,
Speaker 7: but in others at least there was that strong discipline.
Speaker 6: Right, it's right, rather interesting. Twice in his lifetime we
Speaker 6: know that David ran up big bills for telephone sex
Speaker 6: calls to the sex private lines, once when he was
Speaker 6: a youngster still live at home, and once later when
Speaker 6: he was married to Alicia from Hawaii. Alicia found that
Speaker 6: she had about a two thousand dollars bill from David's
Speaker 6: calls to sex telephone numbers. But also it was alleged
Speaker 6: by David that his father beat him severely, would would
Speaker 6: force him into the when he had some minor infraction.
Speaker 6: He'd be forced into the bedroom, take his pants off
Speaker 6: and lie on the bed and be lashed with a belt.
Speaker 6: He told a psychologist at one point that he had
Speaker 6: scars there permanently, but interestingly enough, I asked Alicia, who
Speaker 6: within knew David intimately, did you ever see any scars
Speaker 6: in his back? She said no, his back was smooth
Speaker 6: as anything.
Speaker 7: Right right now, what was what was David's and Brian's
Speaker 7: wife and David's mother? What was she like? What did
Speaker 7: she have any problems? What was she like as a disciplineer?
Speaker 7: And what was she like as a mother?
Speaker 6: Genie was just a typical loving mother who had already
Speaker 6: raised three children and raised David with loving care, just
Speaker 6: as any mother would. And I found nothing controversy about
Speaker 6: Jeanie's behavior.
Speaker 7: Now, you also the other three children when you looked
Speaker 7: into this as well, when you investigated what the fate
Speaker 7: of those children? Not that it's empirical evidence, but what
Speaker 7: was the outcome of those children? Just to give some
Speaker 7: kind of credibility to that these people were, like you say,
Speaker 7: pretty normal parents, and as a result, the other three
Speaker 7: children tell us about their fate.
Speaker 6: All three of the other children also had careers in
Speaker 6: the Air Force and rose to the level of officers
Speaker 6: captains and did quite well. Now there's some suggestion that
Speaker 6: there was some problem between Brian Legg and one of
Speaker 6: his stepdaughters, but I chose not to go into that
Speaker 6: because I had no factual background, no empirical data to
Speaker 6: support any between him and his daughter in law. But
Speaker 6: they all turned out to be quite great kids and adults,
Speaker 6: and the son, David's half brother, became a CEO in
Speaker 6: a electronics firm.
Speaker 7: Right now, tell us about David at about twenty years old.
Speaker 7: Tell us what his life was like, what was his
Speaker 7: career ambition, where was he going in life, and how
Speaker 7: was he doing mentally and how was he just doing
Speaker 7: socially well?
Speaker 6: David was had some problems and didn't He chose not
Speaker 6: to go to college after high school. Matter of fact,
Speaker 6: he dropped out of high school for a while and
Speaker 6: was living with his parents and just working at labor
Speaker 6: temporary employment jobs and just kind of getting along and
Speaker 6: spending way too much money. He used he once his
Speaker 6: parents' credit cards and to buy a very expensive set
Speaker 6: of drums he wants it made a great number of
Speaker 6: other purchases that ran his parents into deep into debt. Now,
Speaker 6: there was one other rather important incident when he was
Speaker 6: in high school, and I believe in Michigan. He impregnated
Speaker 6: a classmate and produced a son, but for most of
Speaker 6: the years after that he denied that that was his son.
Speaker 6: But that came. That will come up later in the book.
Speaker 6: I mean, we'll talk about that in a moment.
Speaker 7: Sure. Now you also talked about you know, he just
Speaker 7: racked up a lot of credit card debt, just to
Speaker 7: be so the audience knows. He came by that honestly
Speaker 7: because that was his parents. One of the sort of
Speaker 7: weaknesses they had was racking up credit cards as well,
Speaker 7: wasn't it.
Speaker 6: That's correct?
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 6: The father, according to David, would go to the PX,
Speaker 6: the post Exchange fair post Exchange, and by hundreds and
Speaker 6: hundreds of dollars worth of groceries because he could get
Speaker 6: it cheaper there. And David said, we I don't know
Speaker 6: why we needed a hundred bottles of this, and then
Speaker 6: twenty packages of that and freezers full of food. So
Speaker 6: they lived the high life. They always lived very well,
Speaker 6: had an expensive car and expensive homes, but seemed to
Speaker 6: be on the verge of bankruptcy frequently.
Speaker 7: Right now, tell us about David meeting his wife Alicia.
Speaker 7: How old is David? And tell us how they met
Speaker 7: and then we can go on to tell the story
Speaker 7: of Alicia and her upbringing.
Speaker 6: Okay, fine, Yeah, David was a little younger, about a
Speaker 6: year or so younger than Alicia, and they were both
Speaker 6: working in a temp agency in the San Francisco Bay
Speaker 6: area and Matt and Alicia just fell head over heels
Speaker 6: with him because she'd had a pretty rough life herself,
Speaker 6: and David was extremely charming and he could be that
Speaker 6: way with most he over the years, describing as a
Speaker 6: glib and very very charming. And he worked that charm
Speaker 6: on Alicia and took her to his parents' home and
Speaker 6: introduced him, and she just fell in love. And they
Speaker 6: accepted her and treated extremely well, and she just fell
Speaker 6: in love with him. And so let me let me
Speaker 6: just jump forward now that how I came upon this book.
Speaker 6: Usually I'm reading newspaper articles to find the subjects for
Speaker 6: my books. But I had an email from Alicia La Flesh,
Speaker 6: and she said, I have a compelling story to tell
Speaker 6: and then a horrific thing that happened to the parents,
Speaker 6: the in laws that I love so dearly. Would you
Speaker 6: be interested? And so I met with Alisha and at
Speaker 6: a restaurant, and she told me the entire story, and
Speaker 6: that's where we went from there.
Speaker 7: Wow, I should have asked that question first. That's amazing.
Speaker 7: That's well to talk about an unusual way to get
Speaker 7: around as usually you get a call from an editor,
Speaker 7: don't you do it? Not from the a main character
Speaker 7: in the story.
Speaker 6: Yes, sometimes it is from the editor and moral Okay.
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Speaker 6: watching the newspapers, reading magazines, watching television and thinking, okay,
Speaker 6: that looks like a pretty pretty compelling story in today's world.
Speaker 6: You better get onto it very early, though, because if
Speaker 6: it's if it's a big, high profile story or a
Speaker 6: story with some really interesting uh uh sidelines to it,
Speaker 6: uh you you you check it out and you find
Speaker 6: two or three other authors already on to so. But
Speaker 6: this one was pretty pretty nice because it hadn't been
Speaker 6: explored by anyone. And Alicia Alicia, but her name at
Speaker 6: the time was Alicia la Flesh. And when I got
Speaker 6: that email, I have to tell you, I was almost
Speaker 6: deleted it instantly, but I'm glad I went on with
Speaker 6: him because it turned up to be a very good story.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it sounds like alias for a professional first, it
Speaker 7: does absolutely now tell us about David's career as well
Speaker 7: about in the military.
Speaker 6: Well, David, after Alicia and David got married, or just
Speaker 6: before they were married, I believe that David decided he
Speaker 6: was going to have a military career like his dad did,
Speaker 6: and he was. His dad wanted him to go in
Speaker 6: the Air Force, of course, because that's where he had been.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: And and David told Alicia he went in and applied,
Speaker 6: and he aced all the exams and then he was
Speaker 6: going to become a pilot. And uh. But this is
Speaker 6: remarkable since he had men finished high school and the
Speaker 6: Air Force is pretty selective about that and have some
Speaker 6: pretty stringent exams to screen these people. So again, it
Speaker 6: probably wasn't entirely true. And so he wound up enlisting
Speaker 6: as a private in the United States Army.
Speaker 7: Right now, this is I'm sorry for mix, you know,
Speaker 7: just going off the chronological order here too. They had
Speaker 7: been engaged. The family loved her, she loved them, so
Speaker 7: they have they professed their love and then said they
Speaker 7: made plans for engagement, and then he says, jeez, maybe
Speaker 7: I should go into the military. Is that how that works?
Speaker 7: So tell us how that works.
Speaker 6: Well, he did join the military and as a private,
Speaker 6: and then they were married in the Legs home in
Speaker 6: the Bay area of San Francisco. The marriage ceremony took
Speaker 6: place there and it was a very festive thing. And
Speaker 6: then their plan was for Alicia to stay in that
Speaker 6: home with her in laws while David completed basic training
Speaker 6: in Georgia and then wherever he would sign, as it
Speaker 6: turned out to be in Hawaii, a wonderful assignment at
Speaker 6: scolpvict in Hawaii, and then she would join him there.
Speaker 6: And that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 7: Okay, So tell us what's happening in the idyllic life
Speaker 7: of David leg and his wife Alicia. After all of this,
Speaker 7: you say, he gets an assignment to go to Hawaii,
Speaker 7: He's accepted in the military. Looks like his wife, his
Speaker 7: life is right on track. Tell us what's happening behind
Speaker 7: the scenes or if there's any cracks to this little veneer.
Speaker 6: Well, Alicia is absolutely thrilled. My god, you get to
Speaker 6: go to the paradise of Hawaii and live there with
Speaker 6: her new husband, and the whole world is going to
Speaker 6: be glorious. They go to Hawaiian he's assigned to Schofield Barracks.
Speaker 6: And I like that part because I love the story
Speaker 6: James Jones row from Here to Eternity that was made
Speaker 6: into the classic movie and involved with a loser named
Speaker 6: robert E. Lee Pruitt played by Montgomery Cliff in the movie,
Speaker 6: and so I could see some parallels between Roberty Lee
Speaker 6: Prewit and David. Anyway, they're living there, they they her hurricane,
Speaker 6: and Niki comes through and just rips the island and
Speaker 6: tears up the apartment where they live. But that turned
Speaker 6: out to be a minor thing compared to the way
Speaker 6: their lives started developing. David became an absolute control freak,
Speaker 6: not allowing Alicia to have any friends, not allowing her
Speaker 6: to go anywhere, not allowing her to use the new
Speaker 6: Karri bought, demanding that she cleaned the house in the
Speaker 6: way he thought thought it could be cleaned. She she
Speaker 6: had to vacuum the rug exactly as he thought, with
Speaker 6: spacing between the lines as he saw. She became a
Speaker 6: slave and had no She was horrified that all of
Speaker 6: a sudden, her idyllic life turned to a nightmare.
Speaker 7: Now, how did she deal with this? At the beginning,
Speaker 7: you say that she sees as the dramatic transformation? Did
Speaker 7: it have any kind of us said one time, he's
Speaker 7: hyper sexual. Actually, what was happening in their in their
Speaker 7: in their relationship otherwise in and what was her reaction?
Speaker 7: What did she do in response to this drastic change
Speaker 7: in behavior?
Speaker 6: Well, ironically, with David was hyper sexual, very interested in sex.
Speaker 6: But just soon after their marriage he completely turned away
Speaker 6: from sex. She she couldn't understand it. She would just
Speaker 6: begg him, please just touch me sometimes, but he was
Speaker 6: totally disinterested. He was more interested in his cars and
Speaker 6: uh and his Hi Fi equipment, his drums. And they
Speaker 6: got in financial difficulty right away, of course, because of
Speaker 6: Private's pay. It wasn't very big, and he was spending
Speaker 6: money hand over fist, and so it was getting rough.
Speaker 6: And she didn't understand also that he was carrying on.
Speaker 6: He bought her a new computer, but he she didn't
Speaker 6: know that he was using that computer to have sexual
Speaker 6: contact with women all over the place, including the the
Speaker 6: mother of his child from high school days. Now, so
Speaker 6: I proceed because the next step is really important.
Speaker 7: Yes, go ahead.
Speaker 6: One day, David comes home and he says, oh, I
Speaker 6: have to go on a special mission in Savilian clothes,
Speaker 6: and his buddy's with him, and they're dressed in cities
Speaker 6: and I'll be gone several weeks and it's highly secret,
Speaker 6: so I can't tell you what it's about, but I'll
Speaker 6: be gone, okay. And Alicia's almost relieved because Atlasa's gonna
Speaker 6: have some time away from his restrictive control.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 6: But a few days later, she gets a phone call
Speaker 6: from someone in Chicago and says, do you know where
Speaker 6: your husband is? Well, of course they do. He's on leave.
Speaker 6: He's on a special mission. No, he's here at Chicago
Speaker 6: and he's taking my wife away and her child and
Speaker 6: I'm going to kill them both. And Alicia is horrified.
Speaker 6: What is going on? Well, eventually he finds out that
Speaker 6: David is going to Chicago to rescue the mother of
Speaker 6: his child from high school days and take her away
Speaker 6: from her abusive husband. And she's just sick, she's horrified.
Speaker 6: And she finally gets in contact with David by phone,
Speaker 6: and he suggests that, oh, why don't I just bring
Speaker 6: her and the child here in Hawaii and we can
Speaker 6: all all four live together. No, no, that's not going to.
Speaker 7: Work, right, Yeah, So how does how does Alisha respond
Speaker 7: to this incredible news? What she do next?
Speaker 6: Well, Alicia's she's she doesn't know what to do and
Speaker 6: and and David comes back without the wife and the
Speaker 6: child and uh, and they they struggle along for a while,
Speaker 6: but eventually it's just not going to work. So Alisa
Speaker 6: says it, our marriage is over, and she and David
Speaker 6: fly back to the Bay Area for her to go
Speaker 6: to live with her her her mother, who's a real
Speaker 6: problem and uh, and the marriage is over. And then
Speaker 6: David goes back to Hawaii. He's he's redeployed finally to
Speaker 6: Fort Hood, Texas. And from there things get worse and worse.
Speaker 7: When does when does Alicia find out about the just
Speaker 7: add insult injury, about the phone sex number in eighteen
Speaker 7: high dollar abillity racked up?
Speaker 6: Well, eventually she started finding out before she left Hawaii,
Speaker 6: which he's off on duty, and suddenly she starts getting
Speaker 6: all these things. Oh, I know he was unforgotten. He
Speaker 6: was redeployed while he's in Hawaii. He was sent to
Speaker 6: Haiti during that special mission that his unit went to
Speaker 6: in a crisis in Haiti, and during that time, all
Speaker 6: of the male accumulated at Schofield Arts was sent to her.
Speaker 6: And she had all these horrific discoveries of his communications
Speaker 6: with other women, his overspending, his telephone bills to sex lines,
Speaker 6: and all of that just finally brooked the marriage apart.
Speaker 7: Now, so they're separated. How does he respond to this separation?
Speaker 7: What does he say to her? Is he violent? Is
Speaker 7: he suicidal? How does he respond?
Speaker 6: No, he just goes about he's in Fort Hood, Texas
Speaker 6: now And then she goes back and lives in the
Speaker 6: Bay Area with her mother, and David is so concerned
Speaker 6: that he decides to he's like other soldiers. Aforehood goes
Speaker 6: across the border to war Is, where a lot of
Speaker 6: fun is available, and he meets a fourteen year old
Speaker 6: girl there. He's about twenty three at this time, and
Speaker 6: he falls in love with a little Kimberly from War
Speaker 6: Is and marries her before getting never having been divorced
Speaker 6: by a little from Alicia.
Speaker 7: It's incredible, so you talk about in your book, even
Speaker 7: though she's fourteen and he's ten years older. How does
Speaker 7: the family react to this union.
Speaker 6: Well, the family comes to Texas and tries to talk
Speaker 6: him out of the marriage, but as a matter of fact,
Speaker 6: he is preparing for a big church wedding and war
Speaker 6: is but they talk him into out of it and
Speaker 6: drive him away minutes before she was supposed to walk
Speaker 6: down the aisle with him. But then they hope that
Speaker 6: everything's all solved. The parents go back to their home
Speaker 6: and David goes back to Warriors and brings her across
Speaker 6: the border. The young girl across the border with her
Speaker 6: mother and with her mother's permission, and marries her and
Speaker 6: a civil ceremony in El Paso.
Speaker 7: So it's incredible that her family is okay with the
Speaker 7: union and basically facilitates this thing happening.
Speaker 6: Amazingly enough, that's true. They accepted this twenty two year
Speaker 6: old soldier taking their fourteen year old girl away. David
Speaker 6: takes her then to eventually take her to Phoenix, where
Speaker 6: the parents have moved to from the Bay Area, and
Speaker 6: they bought a very nice home in the outskirts of Phoenix,
Speaker 6: and David takes her there and then they get an apartment.
Speaker 6: And then shortly after that, the horrible thing happens that
Speaker 6: someone goes into the home of David and Jeanie LaGG
Speaker 6: and shoots them to death and takes the beautiful, expensive
Speaker 6: diamond ring from her finger and all the credit cards
Speaker 6: and cash and runs away.
Speaker 7: Now, what I think is important that we sort of
Speaker 7: skipped upon, skipped over, is that one thing, and we'll
Speaker 7: just go back to. I think it might be important
Speaker 7: is that Brian Legg, being in the military, was proud
Speaker 7: of his work or his stay in the military, and
Speaker 7: so he talked to David at times about assuming someone
Speaker 7: else's identity. And I think it's important in this case
Speaker 7: as we proceed with the story. So tell us a
Speaker 7: little bit about that, because I think it's a very ironic,
Speaker 7: very ironic fact given what happens after.
Speaker 6: That's a good point. Dan Brian Well, during his service
Speaker 6: years was in special Forces that did some undercover operations,
Speaker 6: and he tells David at one point how easy it
Speaker 6: is to steal someone's identity. He illustrates it by saying,
Speaker 6: you can walk into a bar and strike up a
Speaker 6: conversation with a total stranger, and if you know the
Speaker 6: right question to ask and how to do it, you
Speaker 6: can have everything about that man, that person in the
Speaker 6: bar and steal their identity with it in a very
Speaker 6: short amount of time. And David is pretty fascinated with.
Speaker 4: This, right.
Speaker 7: So that's a young kid. So then later on, now
Speaker 7: when he was in the last time he was in
Speaker 7: the military, he did meet someone named Darren malloy. So
Speaker 7: tell us about this meeting, and course we don't see
Speaker 7: why it's important.
Speaker 6: Later, while David is at Forthood, he needs transportation to
Speaker 6: go over to Warris he's girlfriend, so he buys a
Speaker 6: car from another soldier and takes it across the border
Speaker 6: and leaves it there, and the other soldier is stuck
Speaker 6: with no money. And this happened three times. He brought
Speaker 6: three cars from other soldiers that he never paid for.
Speaker 6: And finally he's caught up and he faces the company commander,
Speaker 6: who places him in another barracks on honor not to
Speaker 6: go anywhere, and he's roomed with another soldier named Darren molloy.
Speaker 7: Now, how did they get along and how did things.
Speaker 7: He was just there for a few days, But how
Speaker 7: did what was the relationship like between the two men?
Speaker 6: It was fine. Darren malloy would later say that, you know,
Speaker 6: he thought this kid was kind of weird, but you know,
Speaker 6: he was okay and they just chatted and uh. And
Speaker 6: then Darren molloy was reassigned elsewhere. And before his reassignment overseas,
Speaker 6: he goes to his California home and discovers that he's
Speaker 6: some of his identification cards are missing.
Speaker 7: Did he put any what did he conclude from that?
Speaker 7: Did he have any suspicions or he just what?
Speaker 6: Did he at first? Not at all. He just thought
Speaker 6: he'd lost them. And he's deployed on a special mission
Speaker 6: in a first at Iraq and in the Saudi Arabia,
Speaker 6: and so he just accepts that he's lost that and
Speaker 6: hopes that hope that nobody's spending his money right.
Speaker 7: So now let's get to so Alicia and David are
Speaker 7: living where, and what are their financial and what's their
Speaker 7: financial situation? And tell us the year that this we're
Speaker 7: talking about here.
Speaker 6: Let's say I believe this is all in nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 6: and then by this time, of course, Alisha and David
Speaker 6: are split up. Alisha has gone back and started a
Speaker 6: new life in the Bay Area and David's was in
Speaker 6: Fort Hood. But then he decides to take his little
Speaker 6: girlfriend to his little wife, which is an illegal marriage,
Speaker 6: to Phoenix area and live there, and he deserts from
Speaker 6: the army. So now he's not only a criminal having
Speaker 6: fraudulently stolen those three cars, but he's now a deserter
Speaker 6: from the army.
Speaker 7: Okay, so what's the what's his relationship with his parents
Speaker 7: at that time? David Lake with his parents, Well.
Speaker 6: He's of course borrowing from them and getting everything he
Speaker 6: can from them, but he gets enough money to rent
Speaker 6: an apartment not far from your parents' home. And he's
Speaker 6: twice two or three diverse jobs, but he only lasts
Speaker 6: a few days on each one, and he's spending money
Speaker 6: like mad, and suddenly he's pretty desperate for some way
Speaker 6: to pay for his apartment for all the other expenses
Speaker 6: he's incurred, and he needs money very badly.
Speaker 7: Now, you talk about one particular episode that I think
Speaker 7: is interesting given his state of mind at certain times,
Speaker 7: and you talk about a tantrum in an argument with
Speaker 7: his family where a tantrum after he has a confrontation
Speaker 7: or argument with his family.
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Speaker 7: Tell us a little bit about that, because it is
Speaker 7: very important, I think to the story. That's why you
Speaker 7: included it.
Speaker 6: Well, this happened actually before let's see. I believe it's
Speaker 6: just before they went to why or want to leave.
Speaker 6: I can't remember exactly, but Alicia had never seen David
Speaker 6: act out anything before. He's always very calm and just demanding,
Speaker 6: but calm. But at one point he gets into an
Speaker 6: argument with his father and he goes into the bathroom
Speaker 6: and for an hour he's in there, kicking and screaming
Speaker 6: and banging on the walls and throwing things, and everyone
Speaker 6: has just absolutely stunned. And then eventually he walks out
Speaker 6: and it's like nothing ever happened. Everything is just fine,
Speaker 6: everything's back to normal, and she is just amazed to
Speaker 6: see this kind of behavior from this perfect man she's married.
Speaker 7: Right now, You say that just be prior to this
Speaker 7: discovery of the two Brian and Jeanie are dead in
Speaker 7: their home, and we'll get you to get into the
Speaker 7: graphic detail of what actually was discovered and who discovered it.
Speaker 7: You say they were desperate for money. What happens just
Speaker 7: prior to this event happening? Say it's ironic too, because
Speaker 7: this is Wednesday, June fifteenth, and your book is really
Speaker 7: set in around the same time, just prior to Father's Day,
Speaker 7: which is coming up on Sunday as well. So tell
Speaker 7: us what happens just prior to this discovery of these
Speaker 7: people being murdered in their home.
Speaker 6: Well, it's pretty sharp of your Dan. I hadn't realized
Speaker 6: what we are talking about all the anniversary of the thing,
Speaker 6: aren't we right now? Well, David and you're there, Okay,
Speaker 6: thought i'd lost you. No, David and his little girlfriend
Speaker 6: had gone at Kemmy had gone to have dinner with
Speaker 6: his David's parents, said Brian a genie, and they had
Speaker 6: a night. They went out shopping with them all day,
Speaker 6: first to Pennies and various other places were foursome shopping.
Speaker 6: Then they went back to the house for dinner, and
Speaker 6: then David and his little girlfriend leave, and that very
Speaker 6: evening someone enters the house and shoots Brian Jeanie to death,
Speaker 6: takes the ring and those bodies lie in that hot
Speaker 6: It's in June. It's the hottest heck in Phoenix, Arizona,
Speaker 6: and those bodies lie in there six days. Meanwhile, Jeanie's
Speaker 6: son by the previous marriage, who lives in Tucson, Arizona,
Speaker 6: is trying to contact his mother and father stepfather, and
Speaker 6: he's trying for almost a week, and finally he and
Speaker 6: his wife decided, gee, we better go, and they drive
Speaker 6: up to Phoenix to check on him, and with a cousin,
Speaker 6: they go to the house and the cousin goes in
Speaker 6: the house and discovers these these bodies that have been
Speaker 6: in the heat for a week and is horrified at
Speaker 6: the awful odor and uh and what they see. What
Speaker 6: he sees in the house, and he advises the son,
Speaker 6: don't even go in there and look at him. It's
Speaker 6: too horrible.
Speaker 7: Right now, what do what do police find? And how
Speaker 7: was how was the couple murdered? And just tell us
Speaker 7: what they thought was unusual as the with the blanket
Speaker 7: and and the twine.
Speaker 6: Uh, the killer had laid put a blanket over the
Speaker 6: bloody bodies, and then uh, dragging another blanket over them,
Speaker 6: and even a third one, and then taking a ball
Speaker 6: of twine and lashed these blankets over these the dead bodies.
Speaker 6: And then the house had been pretty thoroughly ransacked, apparently
Speaker 6: in search of checks, credit cards and whatever.
Speaker 7: Now, uh, what was that? The other thing I was
Speaker 7: going to say is that they were what were they shot?
Speaker 7: And how many times would they show? Where were they shot? Where?
Speaker 7: How were they how were they murder?
Speaker 6: Both of them were shot in the head and about
Speaker 6: I think five five bullet wounds between the two and
Speaker 6: three to Brian I think, and two to Genie, and
Speaker 6: both of them shot in the head.
Speaker 7: Now, what did the police find in terms of evidence,
Speaker 7: late prints, casings, bullet casings, What evidence was there? What
Speaker 7: obvious evidence was there immediately at that crime scene, at
Speaker 7: the league's home.
Speaker 6: Well, this was the big problem. Dan, the detective of
Speaker 6: Ron Jones and Ken Hansen were the chief detectives on
Speaker 6: this case. And in searching, they found virtually no forensic evidence.
Speaker 6: They found a kitchen glove that they hoped would be
Speaker 6: fingerprints on it. They found one bullet had missed apparently
Speaker 6: and gone through a potted plan into an adjacent wall,
Speaker 6: and they were managed to recover that bullet. But they
Speaker 6: found no gun, They found no usable fingerprints, they found
Speaker 6: no DNA. It was really a frustrating case for them
Speaker 6: to research. And eventually the leads to to solve this
Speaker 6: case came from tracing the use of the legs credit.
Speaker 7: Cards right now they did. You Know what I thought
Speaker 7: was interesting too, is how thorough they were they did
Speaker 7: the process called DPL they did. They had a couple
Speaker 7: of really a couple of experts in this basically, uh
Speaker 7: so to be able to do this so uh they
Speaker 7: did every effort in order to be able to find
Speaker 7: any evidence, that any trace evidence at all. And it's
Speaker 7: interesting later when they do match up one of the
Speaker 7: latent prints on the what they find, So tell us
Speaker 7: how police proceed, Well.
Speaker 6: They're extremely thorough and they really want to solve this case.
Speaker 6: And and they work long, long hours and say they
Speaker 6: do the E D p L which is a special
Speaker 6: process to lift prints from the footprints or fingerprints from
Speaker 6: the floor. Uh they uh, they take the glove, they
Speaker 6: find a pepsi can and get prints from They did
Speaker 6: find a latent print on a pepsi can and uh,
Speaker 6: that's the only hope they had for any prints. But uh,
Speaker 6: what they what they really began to do was to search.
Speaker 6: They began researching the credit cards through the credit card
Speaker 6: companies and finding that expenditures have been made in Hawaii
Speaker 6: and and and even locally in Phoenix. They had credit
Speaker 6: cards have used to book a plane flights and a
Speaker 6: local hotel and purchase of luggage on uh. And then
Speaker 6: they traced it to a car rental in Hawaii. So
Speaker 6: it was the financial trail that gave them some hope
Speaker 6: that they could finally trace down who did this. But
Speaker 6: even then they had they faced the question was the
Speaker 6: person using these credit cards? Was this the killer or
Speaker 6: had somebody thrown that had the killer thrown away a
Speaker 6: bill fole with cards and someone found that and was
Speaker 6: using him. So even though they had the leads through
Speaker 6: the financial transactions, they still weren't sure they were on
Speaker 6: the trail of the killer. Now, what was really interesting
Speaker 6: that they they began to see that someone named Darren
Speaker 6: molloy was using these credit cards.
Speaker 7: Yes, so that's very interesting. Now, so they contact the
Speaker 7: military looking for two people. And so not only are
Speaker 7: they looking for David Lake, the military is they're asking
Speaker 7: the military to assist him in Maloy as well. Isn't
Speaker 7: that true?
Speaker 6: That's true, and it's kind of it's kind of irritating
Speaker 6: to these two detectors because the military seemed to be
Speaker 6: dragging their feet. They can't seem to find Darren molloy
Speaker 6: or David Legg.
Speaker 7: And you're saying too, it seemed to the detectives that
Speaker 7: they weren't too anxious to look for these people either.
Speaker 7: It didn't seem to be much of our priority despite
Speaker 7: this murder investigation.
Speaker 6: That's correct. It was so puddling to them. But what
Speaker 6: they eventually found that Darren malloy had been sent overseas
Speaker 6: to Saudi Arabia on a highly secretive mission. And so
Speaker 6: the military wasn't going to tell a couple of detectives
Speaker 6: and Phoenix about that, and that they also had a
Speaker 6: deserter on their hands, and they didn't particularly what admit
Speaker 6: that we can't find him because he's a deserter.
Speaker 7: Right, so they were looking for They had questioned other
Speaker 7: people in the family, obviously other members of the family,
Speaker 7: but the person that they hadn't been able to contact,
Speaker 7: and the brother had said he hadn't had contact with
Speaker 7: David since the previous Thanksgiving. So they were searching for
Speaker 7: David Lake. But at that point, what did police have
Speaker 7: in terms of evidence, and well, who was their likely suspect,
Speaker 7: if anyone.
Speaker 6: Suspect at this point was Darren Molloy, but they couldn't
Speaker 6: find him and so but eventually then they began to
Speaker 6: see that a car had been rented in Hawaii in
Speaker 6: the name of Brian Legg, that the victim, and then
Speaker 6: now they began to suspect Okay, wait a minute, David
Speaker 6: leg is missing. Someone is using his h his credit
Speaker 6: card in Hawaii and signing Brian Legg's name. Maybe David
Speaker 6: is involved in this thing somehow.
Speaker 7: Now, when did they find out about the the the
Speaker 7: apartment on forty eighth Street, and who that's and and
Speaker 7: who that's who had rented that apartment. When does that happen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, through through through the name of Malloy. They they
Speaker 6: traced it the Malloy had rented in his in A
Speaker 6: young girl named Kim had in Cecilia, I believe they
Speaker 6: were calling her, had rented an apartment on forty eighth
Speaker 6: Street in Phoenix, UH, a few miles from the leg home.
Speaker 6: And so they went there and they found uniforms but
Speaker 6: for Darren molloy, but also for David Legg and other
Speaker 6: things that led to David Legg. So now they're even
Speaker 6: more suspicious that David Legg the Sun might very well
Speaker 6: be involved in this. But is David leg the killer
Speaker 6: or is he just spending the money? Is Darren malloy
Speaker 6: the killer or is he spending the money? They don't
Speaker 6: know yet.
Speaker 7: Now I think it's important too, is that I want
Speaker 7: to make sure that the audience knows too, that the
Speaker 7: military didn't really tell the detectives. Listen, this guy's on
Speaker 7: special missions. That's why we can't tell you where he is.
Speaker 7: So the police were in the dark at the same time.
Speaker 7: So as things start looking more towards the possibility of
Speaker 7: David Legg being the perpetrator, they really didn't know because
Speaker 7: the military wasn't being so forthright either, was they.
Speaker 6: That's correct, Yeah, they weren't being fourth right, and they
Speaker 6: had their reasons, of course. But what eventually developed was
Speaker 6: the detectives kept after the airline companies to say, to
Speaker 6: see if they had the flights scheduled from Hawaii in
Speaker 6: the name of Darren molloy, David Leg or Kimberly, and
Speaker 6: eventually they were notified at the last second that two
Speaker 6: of these people were on a plane coming from Hawaii
Speaker 6: to Phoenix, I mean to La to Los Angeles, and boy,
Speaker 6: these two detectives had to scramble like man at the
Speaker 6: last second. It's it's really an exciting moment. It's the car.
Speaker 7: Race in my book that the plane race.
Speaker 6: Yeah, tried, tried to get there, and they managed to
Speaker 6: arrive at Lax within minutes of the arrival of the
Speaker 6: plane from Hawaii, and they boarded the plane and led
Speaker 6: David Leg and his little fifteen year old girl off
Speaker 6: of that plane and arrested them.
Speaker 7: Now, the first thing is that it seemed to be
Speaker 7: normal strategy that you would choose to separate them and
Speaker 7: then speak to the girl first because she might be
Speaker 7: the easier person to nail down in terms of lies
Speaker 7: of what they already knew and and get to see
Speaker 7: get her perspective and possibly get her to confess right
Speaker 7: off the hop. But what was in the two people's
Speaker 7: David and his girlfriend wife at what was in their
Speaker 7: bags that was very revealing to police? And what did
Speaker 7: they conclude as a result.
Speaker 6: Well, they found the credit cards that they had been
Speaker 6: taken from Brandon Jeanie. They found a one thing is
Speaker 6: really great. They found a video camera which David had
Speaker 6: been taking on their their honeymoon in Hawaii, of some
Speaker 6: pictures of his little promiscuous little bride and doing some
Speaker 6: bizarre things. But in interviewing them at LAX, both both
Speaker 6: David and Kimmy were pretty pretty well if their mouth shut,
Speaker 6: they dropped the few hints but not very much. And
Speaker 6: kimberly remarkably for you know, by this time she's only
Speaker 6: fifteen years old, she's she's really clever at dealing with
Speaker 6: two police officers.
Speaker 7: So the thing is is that police already have a
Speaker 7: pretty good idea based on some phone records, and so
Speaker 7: they Ken Hansen is the person designated to question her,
Speaker 7: and so how does he proceed? What does he get
Speaker 7: from her? Does she lie, does she tell the truth?
Speaker 7: How does she respond? He said, her demeanor's pretty good.
Speaker 7: She's not really rattled or shaken. But tell us what
Speaker 7: he deduces after a certain amount of questions, And what
Speaker 7: are the kind of questions he asks her.
Speaker 6: Well, he's asking just he's treating her with kid gloves.
Speaker 6: He's really trying hard not to be not to frighten
Speaker 6: her because he thinks she's got a little girl in
Speaker 6: his hand. But she's lying, like Matt, She's just telling
Speaker 6: all kinds of falsehoods and claiming that she didn't know anything.
Speaker 6: But eventually she did revealed that she was there the
Speaker 6: night that she and David were there the night that
Speaker 6: Brian and Jeanie were killed. They had gone to shopping
Speaker 6: with them and gone to dinner at the house, and
Speaker 6: then they had left and then returned, and that Kimmy said,
Speaker 6: I was in the house and I decided I want
Speaker 6: to go out to the car and listen to some music.
Speaker 6: And while I was out there, I heard three shots
Speaker 6: in the house.
Speaker 7: Didn't She also admit, almost very early on, despite all
Speaker 7: the lies, that she had seen a gun revolver a
Speaker 7: week before David had a gun.
Speaker 6: She denied it. At first, she denied seeing any gun
Speaker 6: at all, but then eventually she does say, yes, I
Speaker 6: did see a gun.
Speaker 7: Okay, now, so she said that she was listening to
Speaker 7: the radio, and she even said what songs she was
Speaker 7: listening to? Guns and Roses, sort of one of their
Speaker 7: softer tunes. I thought it was interesting that the police
Speaker 7: were so thorough that they actually called the radios to
Speaker 7: find out what exactly exactly if that tune actually to
Speaker 7: match up her story. What's what song DJ did you
Speaker 7: play at that time?
Speaker 6: So I'm trying to think of the I'm trying to
Speaker 6: think of the name of the tude. I can't remember,
Speaker 6: but it was a Guns n' Roses piece. And he denied,
Speaker 6: he said, no, not in this this jockey. This jockey
Speaker 6: didn't I don't think of that out right, have been
Speaker 6: playing that kind of music? And then him change her story. Oh, oh,
Speaker 6: I think I had. We had we had a little
Speaker 6: refrigerator case out there we used for CDs, and I
Speaker 6: think I took a CD and was playing that when
Speaker 6: when when I was outside and David was in the house.
Speaker 7: And what did she say when they said, well, did
Speaker 7: you maybe think of calling police? You thought made me
Speaker 7: there were gunshots, but you didn't think of calling the
Speaker 7: police or saying anything to anyone. And what was her
Speaker 7: response to that?
Speaker 6: She No, she didn't. She didn't think it was necessary
Speaker 6: to call the police. You know, she just said and
Speaker 6: she was afraid. By that time, she decided she was
Speaker 6: afraid of David. If she she called the police and
Speaker 6: told anyone, he might hurt me.
Speaker 7: I see, Yeah, it seems that the common refrain some
Speaker 7: of these people. Okay, so how do how do police
Speaker 7: proceed with questioning so they still are are questioning her,
Speaker 7: tell us about the questioning of David or what is
Speaker 7: happening at the same time.
Speaker 6: Well, eventually they imagined they started getting pieces of evidence
Speaker 6: from David, you know, little little bits here and there
Speaker 6: to help them and and eventually charge them both with murder.
Speaker 6: And I want to tell you about the prosecutor, Glenn McCormick.
Speaker 6: This is one of the best people I've ever interviewed
Speaker 6: in all of these books. Glenn McCormick was an next
Speaker 6: professional football player, big, good looking guy. People comprinting with
Speaker 6: the guy who's played Superman in several movies. And uh
Speaker 6: and I was chatting with Glenn by phone and by
Speaker 6: email and uh. And Glenn said, you know that's part
Speaker 6: of this happened in Hawaii. And he said, we sent
Speaker 6: investigators on Hawaii and we we interviewed and the police
Speaker 6: did too when they we interviewed a lot of people
Speaker 6: with all these transactions taking place, and they began to
Speaker 6: identify the pictures of David leg and Kimberly as the
Speaker 6: users of these credit cards. And and he said, I
Speaker 6: was really working hard in this case, and I I
Speaker 6: employed another prosecutor to go to Hawaii with the investigator.
Speaker 6: He said, I guess I didn't think that through very clearly.
Speaker 7: Did I.
Speaker 6: I loved Glenn mcgermick and our times thang on focus
Speaker 6: because I wanted to talk football with, even if pro career.
Speaker 6: But what a great guy. And he built he built
Speaker 6: just a marvelous case against with no friendsy evidence at all,
Speaker 6: but with the just the use of the credit cards.
Speaker 6: Mostly they built a case of murder against David and Kimberly.
Speaker 7: Now, the thing is important to know as well for
Speaker 7: the audience is that this Glenn McCormick guy is quite
Speaker 7: a character. He also, and this is unusual, he doesn't
Speaker 7: he doesn't believe in plea bargaining. So he doesn't want
Speaker 7: to give this anyone a deal. He wants to use
Speaker 7: the idea that Kimberly and David were illegally married and
Speaker 7: so there's no spousal privilege and then use kim on
Speaker 7: the witness stand. So tell us about all of that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a great point. You know, court watchers know
Speaker 6: that people who go to trist know that in most
Speaker 6: cases a wife it does not have to testify against
Speaker 6: her husband. A lot of people miss misunderstand that thing,
Speaker 6: and the White cannot. But it's a matter of choice.
Speaker 6: She cannot be forced to testify. So Glenn went the
Speaker 6: great links to prove that the marriage between David and
Speaker 6: Kimberly was illegal, that David was still married to Alicia
Speaker 6: la Flesh when when he alleged he married Kimberly. So
Speaker 6: and they finally got a judgment from a course saying
Speaker 6: yes that was not a legal marriage. That allows Kimberly
Speaker 6: to testify. It has them to force Kimberly to testify
Speaker 6: in court under subpoena.
Speaker 7: Now, what did they plan? We won't be able to
Speaker 7: go too much into the trouble. What did McCormick plan
Speaker 7: to be able to force Kim or what did he
Speaker 7: want Kimberly to attest to at trial That he thought,
Speaker 7: despite not having the overwhelming forensic evidence, that he would
Speaker 7: be able to get this conviction in front of this jury.
Speaker 6: Well, McCormick really hoped that Kimberly would finally testify that, yes,
Speaker 6: she knew that David killed his parents and that she
Speaker 6: was in the car, but she heard gunshots and no
Speaker 6: one else could I possibly have done the murder. But Kimberly,
Speaker 6: even though she was given a pretty good deal, she
Speaker 6: wouldn't be charged with murder, She would be only charged
Speaker 6: with fraudulentlyse of the credit cards. She still she still
Speaker 6: was devious and reluctant, and when the trial started she
Speaker 6: began by lying her head off. She was on that
Speaker 6: witness stand and now she's seventeen years old two years later,
Speaker 6: but she was one of the most adept liars on
Speaker 6: the stand. That and Glenn McCormick when he began in
Speaker 6: his testimony, he said, now the first thing what we
Speaker 6: want to do is establish you are a liar, aren't you? Kim?
Speaker 6: She didn't want to admit that, but the defense, now,
Speaker 6: Michael Burnet's an excellent defense attorney. His whole strategy was
Speaker 6: to point to Kim as the probable killer, and every
Speaker 6: bit of evidence that McCormick might bring against David could
Speaker 6: equally apply to Kim, even though she'dn't been given the deal,
Speaker 6: and so the defense was trying to suggest she did
Speaker 6: the shooting that she can, so that began she began
Speaker 6: to see her problem and start finally giving them some
Speaker 6: truth on the stand.
Speaker 7: Well, to add to the emotional aspect of this, when
Speaker 7: we talked about this ring, it was a twenty fifth
Speaker 7: anniversary ring to Brian At given to Genie, and they
Speaker 7: had agonized over this what she might get for that anniversary,
Speaker 7: what they might buy. So she was very proud of
Speaker 7: this ring. Was I don't know anything about rings, but
Speaker 7: this a three point three or it's a significant, big
Speaker 7: ring that they eventually tracked down the jeweler that sold
Speaker 7: or that David had sold this ring to and got
Speaker 7: seven thousand dollars for probably about half as much as
Speaker 7: this thing was worth in resale. And so that was
Speaker 7: the kind of evidence as well that came at the
Speaker 7: trial about the ring and the sale of that ring,
Speaker 7: just to wrench some emotional response over that jury, wasn't it?
Speaker 6: Well? That one? That was an excellent point. And that's
Speaker 6: what led him to Darren Malloy first, because someone named
Speaker 6: Darren Molloy the day after the murders came to this
Speaker 6: jewelry store in Phoenix and had a three point three
Speaker 6: carrot diamond ring to sell, and the owner of the
Speaker 6: shop bought it and made a good deal on it.
Speaker 6: But Arizona has a law that's something that a piece
Speaker 6: of jewelry of that expense, they must record not only
Speaker 6: the sale, but who sold it with a photo ID card,
Speaker 6: and that remains on record. And Detective Ron Jones knew
Speaker 6: of that, and he began going through the records of
Speaker 6: transactions and found that transaction and went right to the
Speaker 6: jewelry store and interviewed the owner, and Darren Malloy was
Speaker 6: in here and he sold me that ring and he
Speaker 6: had a young Hispanic girl with him, And so that
Speaker 6: was the first lead to Darren Malloy, who eventually turned out,
Speaker 6: of course, to be David Legg.
Speaker 7: Now, how did David Legg respond to questioning? How did
Speaker 7: he proceed to trial? He had a very experienced and skilled,
Speaker 7: a skillful lawyer. So tell us about how what he did,
Speaker 7: what his demeanor was like. Tell us a little bit
Speaker 7: more about David Legg after this.
Speaker 6: The lawyer also had a beautiful assistant name also lawyer
Speaker 6: named Tanya McMath and Eve had seemed to focus more
Speaker 6: on her than he did anything else during the trial,
Speaker 6: and he was in complete denial though a Hispanic gang
Speaker 6: had apparently killed his parents, and Kimmy was involved, according
Speaker 6: to David, because she knew this gang and she's the
Speaker 6: one who put the gang over there to kill his
Speaker 6: parents and get that ring.
Speaker 7: They said, yeah, now what was his story?
Speaker 5: Though?
Speaker 7: I thought it was very interesting too because it was
Speaker 7: pretty nonsensical, or at least pretty unbelievable. He said that
Speaker 7: he didn't kill them, however, he did throw the blanket
Speaker 7: on them and the twine tell us what his reasoning
Speaker 7: was for.
Speaker 6: That well, David said that when I went over that parents,
Speaker 6: I found that evening, I found my parents dead, and
Speaker 6: I was horrified. I was shocked. But I'm a deserter
Speaker 6: from the army now, so I can't call the police obviously,
Speaker 6: and so what am I going to do? And so
Speaker 6: they I decided I just might as well take their
Speaker 6: credit cards in that ring and because of their mine. Anyway,
Speaker 6: now my parents are dead and so I'm to use that.
Speaker 6: But I did not kill them. Somebody else killed them.
Speaker 6: But I just needed I was going to use the money.
Speaker 6: And yeah, girlfriend, Hawaii with it. Oh boy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so that's good. Yeah. And you know, the other
Speaker 7: thing I thought was interesting too, is because I think
Speaker 7: people forget and a lot of people there's so many,
Speaker 7: there's so many fascinating and incredible crimes and murders in
Speaker 7: the US that you chose to include the story of
Speaker 7: Eric and Lylemanendez and the murder of their parents. Tell
Speaker 7: us a little bit about that and tell us why
Speaker 7: you put that in. I found it interesting. It would
Speaker 7: surprise me a little bit. But tell us why you
Speaker 7: found it necessary.
Speaker 6: Felt did you pick that up?
Speaker 5: Dan?
Speaker 6: That's great because one of the most famous murders in
Speaker 6: Southern California history is the story of lyleman and Desani's
Speaker 6: brother who killed their parents, who were very, very wealthy,
Speaker 6: and they killed their parents in order to enrich themselves
Speaker 6: and went through a highly publicized trial here at Los Angeles,
Speaker 6: and we're convicted and sent to life in prison, each
Speaker 6: of them, they both brothers. What's remarkable is that that
Speaker 6: trial ended only just a few weeks before David Legg's
Speaker 6: parents were killed. And I suggest in the book that
Speaker 6: I wonder if David was inspired by the an INDs
Speaker 6: case to say, oh, I can do that, and I
Speaker 6: can do it better than they did.
Speaker 7: Did you find in the end, really that there was
Speaker 7: any trauma, even if it was imagined because by David
Speaker 7: Legg some grand insult by his father or his parents,
Speaker 7: Was there any even a shred of reason why he
Speaker 7: may have had any animosity or anger towards them, or
Speaker 7: this is just a senseless, greedy slaughter.
Speaker 6: I think David Legg is a classic, classic sociopath. I
Speaker 6: think he wanted money, He needed money desperately. He wanted
Speaker 6: to take his little girl to Hawaii, and he was
Speaker 6: in deep debt, and he's an uncaring person with absolute
Speaker 6: no conscience at all, and he killed his parents and
Speaker 6: took their money. And a reporter who covered this, whom
Speaker 6: I talk about in the book quite a bit, agrees
Speaker 6: with me. He interviewed David twice in prison, and he said,
Speaker 6: this man is a classic sociopath.
Speaker 7: So you wouldn't try to excuse him at all with
Speaker 7: any kind of the talk about bipolar, ah, a d
Speaker 7: any kind of mental illness. He just chalk it up
Speaker 7: to greed and immaturity and murderous intentions.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, And you know I have a problem. I've been
Speaker 6: to many, many murder trials, and I've seen psychiatrists psychologists
Speaker 6: get up on that stand, one for the one for
Speaker 6: the prosecution and one for the defense, and invariably they
Speaker 6: can contradict each other totally because they're making money, they're
Speaker 6: selling their testimony. And so I pay very little attention
Speaker 6: dan to psychiatric testimony and trials because I think they're
Speaker 6: just well I shouldn't say this, but I think some
Speaker 6: of them aren't very honorable.
Speaker 7: Well. The thing is too that the juries usually don't
Speaker 7: go for that, it's not really accepted. And I know
Speaker 7: the stats are very very low for any kind of
Speaker 7: insanity defense. So it's a good attempt, I would say,
Speaker 7: or it's worthwhile attempt possibly, but it doesn't really work
Speaker 7: out for the perpetrator too often, does it?
Speaker 6: Very seldom? I think the abuse excuse does not work.
Speaker 7: No, I like that. Well, I'm in Canada, and then
Speaker 7: it's exactly the opposite of what happens here. We somehow
Speaker 7: have not learned the lesson that America has, and I
Speaker 7: think if we were to have some of the you know,
Speaker 7: you're just a bigger nation by ten times, and so
Speaker 7: a lot of your cities are concentrated in population, and
Speaker 7: it does seem to be some sort of phenomena. At least,
Speaker 7: you know, there's really good detection of these crimes too,
Speaker 7: and recognition of serial it is. I think a lot
Speaker 7: of countries you can say, we don't have the same
Speaker 7: rate of serial killers. They wouldn't know if serial killer
Speaker 7: had hit them on the head. You know. At least
Speaker 7: America can recognize it very early on and has been
Speaker 7: the groundbreaking force in being able to create that criminal
Speaker 7: profiling and databases and ViCAP and and so you know,
Speaker 7: you have to you know, America has experienced these heinous killers.
Speaker 7: And I think after you experience these killers and find
Speaker 7: out all the information and the media does pick up
Speaker 7: on and some people can criticize that, but that's how
Speaker 7: people can get informed about this. And certainly after that
Speaker 7: you realize, yes, these people are psychopathic or sociopathic. There
Speaker 7: is no fixing these people. It's just time to make
Speaker 7: sure the public is safe from these people.
Speaker 6: That's one of the reasons I write these books, Dan,
Speaker 6: I hope they inform people and let them know just
Speaker 6: who is out there. And by the way, be sure
Speaker 6: and tell your people to your listeners to visit my
Speaker 6: website Don Lessen dot com, in which I list all
Speaker 6: twenty books I've written.
Speaker 7: Great Well, I want to thank you very much. I
Speaker 7: want to thank you very much, Don for coming back
Speaker 7: onto the program and talking about your incredible new book,
Speaker 7: Deadly Deceit, A perfect family, six bullets at Point Black Range,
Speaker 7: the cruelest betrayal of all. It's quite a fascinating yard.
Speaker 7: And we didn't even get in halfway through this book
Speaker 7: and talk about the rest of the trial. There's so
Speaker 7: many twists and turns and great police work and like
Speaker 7: you say, you bring the life to characters, the prosecution,
Speaker 7: the hard the cops that did the good forensic work
Speaker 7: and the good footwork and got a if there can
Speaker 7: be a happy ending, at least there's a some justice
Speaker 7: for someone by finding out who actually did this and why.
Speaker 6: So at my pleasure, Dan, and yeah, you read, I
Speaker 6: love trials. I have a real trial of pholl weekend.
Speaker 6: I love them and I love to so I go
Speaker 6: into great detail on the trial, and I hope, I
Speaker 6: hope my readers, your fans do too.
Speaker 7: Yes, well, you absolutely have done it once again. Done
Speaker 7: so thank you very much. Congratulations on another great book,
Speaker 7: Deadly Deceit, and you have yourself a great evening, Dawn,
Speaker 7: thank you for appearing on the program once again.
Speaker 6: My pleasure. Thank you.
Speaker 7: Don.
Speaker 6: Okay, good night.
Speaker 7: You've been listening to the program True Murder, the most
Speaker 7: shocking killers in true crime history and the authors that
Speaker 7: have written about them, with your host Dan Zephaski. Good Night,