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By her side was 58 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:11.120 a gun and a suicide note, typed lacking a signature 59 00:03:11.719 --> 00:03:15.800 and with one fingerprint on it, A fingerprint apparently belonging 60 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:21.319 to Joscelyn's estranged husband, Wesley Ernest, was a respected high 61 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:25.400 school administrator poised to restart his life in a new community. 62 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:28.919 Parents entrusted their children to his care and believed he 63 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:32.919 was above reproach, But the investigation into the life the 64 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:38.039 couple once shared would reveal adultery, troubled finances, and shattered dreams, 65 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:40.879 enough for one man with murder on his mind to 66 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:44.080 travel hundreds of miles. The book that were featuring this 67 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:47.319 evening is under Cover of the Night, a true story 68 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:51.840 of sex, greed and Murder. With my special guest, journalist 69 00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:55.360 and author Diane Fanning. Thank you for Greenness interview, and 70 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:58.520 welcome back to the program. Diane Fanning. 71 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:02.360 Thank you, Dan, nice to be with you again tonight. 72 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:04.960 Well, thank you very much, and I've just got to 73 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:08.759 say to our audience that you were the very first 74 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:11.159 guest that we had on the program talking about your 75 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:15.680 wonderful book, Baby Be Mine, and it was quite the 76 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:18.000 beginning of the program, and I want to thank you 77 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:20.480 very much for starting it off and being one of 78 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:24.160 the great guests and especially a great guest to start 79 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:27.040 off this true murder. So now we're almost five years 80 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:30.079 into the program and you're back here at about another 81 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:32.319 five books under your belt in that five years, so 82 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:37.399 I want to congratulate you on this book. Fantastic, incredible tale, 83 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:43.240 and so let's get right to that then, Diane, I 84 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:46.560 give us a little bit of the history on this 85 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:51.399 Bedford community you were living in Texas when we spoke 86 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:53.240 to I don't know if it was the last time, 87 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:55.639 but one time you were living in Texas to tell 88 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:58.560 us how you came to be have something so close 89 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:00.240 to home in terms of a book. 90 00:05:01.560 --> 00:05:05.920 Well, the funny thing is Dan, that I actually signed 91 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:09.240 the contract while I was living in Texas and had 92 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:15.360 no plans of moving, and then things in life changed, 93 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:20.160 in my personal life changed, and suddenly it seemed to 94 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:22.959 be time to move back to Virginia, and we ended 95 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:26.240 up buying a home, oh about twenty miles from the 96 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:26.959 murder scene. 97 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:32.759 Wow, amazing. Now, just before we get into talking about 98 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:37.519 this too, is you're with another publisher decided to publish this, 99 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:39.879 and I thought that was an interesting story as well. 100 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:44.560 Not take anything away from the last publisher, but why 101 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:48.079 it came to be that you kind of were fighting 102 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:48.759 for this story. 103 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:55.639 Well, I really believed in this story because it was 104 00:05:55.720 --> 00:05:59.920 another case of a woman who was well loved by 105 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:07.439 friends and family, who was respected professionally, who was the 106 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:12.720 major breadwinner in her home. She had everything going for her. 107 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:19.199 There was no thing in her life that said, oh, 108 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:23.959 she's taking risks, she could become a victim. There was 109 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:32.040 nothing there, and yet this professional charming woman somehow ended 110 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:37.319 up dead in her own home, shot by the one 111 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:41.759 person who once promised to protect her and. 112 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.839 He seemed like a great guy. So let's go back 113 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:48.839 and talk about Jocelyn. Talk about her early life and 114 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:53.000 what basically shaped her to become the kind of really 115 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:55.519 upstanding kind of person that she really was well loved 116 00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:58.000 by everyone. I know. That seems to be cliche, but 117 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:04.439 this is a a very overachieving type person, very dynamic person. 118 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:08.399 So let's talk about Joscelyn in her early life and 119 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:13.040 what that was like and what shaped her well. 120 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:19.800 Joscelyn was always a very athletic girl, and she grew 121 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:26.800 up basically as a tomboy and always wanting to to 122 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:30.800 do something a little more and achieve a little more. 123 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:38.279 She was born in Morgantown, West Virginia, and she was 124 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:43.079 a good sized baby, which she promised to grow up 125 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:49.000 to be big and hearty, and she did come right 126 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:55.800 become quite a robustly athletic girl. She participated in high 127 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:59.399 school sports and then when she went to the University 128 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:03.920 of West which she established one record after another. She 129 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:09.040 was a tremendous basketball player. She also enjoyed playing volleyball, 130 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:12.680 and it was through a lot of her love of 131 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:18.120 sports and her edge for competition that she found commonality 132 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:22.600 with Wesley Earnest while she was at college. They used 133 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:26.480 to watch sports together, they used to play together, they 134 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:34.519 worked in school together. They both ended up getting MBAs, 135 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:41.960 and after they married, Wesley also got his doctorate. So 136 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:49.799 they seemed well matched. Athletic, ambitious, hard working, and very driven. 137 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:56.879 And that was the tragedy of it all. Two people 138 00:08:57.039 --> 00:09:02.919 who could have accomplished so much, we're now going to 139 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:05.000 accomplish nothing more. 140 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:12.399 So let's talk about Wesley. Let's talk about Wesley and 141 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:17.000 what his personality was. He was really, like you say, charismatic, 142 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:23.279 good looking, successful. Sometimes those people have another side, So 143 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:25.799 tell us what you found about his character. 144 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:33.679 Was very controlling, and part of the way he tried 145 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:41.000 to control Jocelyn was by belittling her. He would not 146 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:46.840 hesitate to do that in front of friends. He would 147 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:51.399 talk about how the wedding band on his fingers showed 148 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:58.600 his ownership. He tried to restrict her friendships and cut 149 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:04.240 off caught her off from her best friend. He also 150 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:07.519 did something that was very unusual. Neither one of them 151 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:12.679 had been religious and suddenly Wesley decided to become a 152 00:10:12.799 --> 00:10:18.919 Jehovah's witness. Now that was peculiar for someone who was 153 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:24.039 married to Joscelyn, because Joscelyn came from a family where 154 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:28.080 holidays were a big deal. Every holiday of the year 155 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:32.960 was a big deal, particularly Thanksgiving and Christmas. They went 156 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:37.759 all out to celebrate. They did everything from Black Friday 157 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:42.679 shopping to going to parades of Christmas and Thanksgiving and 158 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:47.879 every other holiday was just huge. And Wesley became part 159 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:54.919 of a religion that did not believe in celebrating any holidays, 160 00:10:55.600 --> 00:11:01.080 not even birthdays. Birthdays were also a big thing Joscelyn's family, 161 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:08.440 so this was inexplicable to Joscelyn. She couldn't understand it 162 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:13.120 why he would want to do that, And not only 163 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:15.799 did he want to do that, but he did want 164 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:19.960 to interfere with her ability to enjoy those occasions too. 165 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:24.840 One time, he went with her to her family's house 166 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:30.799 in West Virginia for Thanksgiving, and when she went in 167 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:34.639 to celebrate with her family, he sat out in the 168 00:11:34.759 --> 00:11:37.799 car the whole time and would not even come in 169 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:46.320 and join in the holiday meal. It was very strangely rigid, 170 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:52.240 and you almost thought he did that just because he 171 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:56.039 knew the holidays meant so much to Joscelyn, and that 172 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:57.840 was another way of controlling her. 173 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:03.519 Now, before we get into a little bit more of 174 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:06.639 the controlling in terms of what he then suggests that 175 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:10.600 they should do in terms of their sexual relationship. And 176 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:14.960 again that creates problems. But how is it? What is 177 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:17.639 the dynamic between him? Is he the guy? Is he 178 00:12:17.799 --> 00:12:21.120 the football player, handsome football player? And is this woman 179 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:26.320 although she's athletic and success you know, successful and good looking, 180 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:29.480 is still is that how he draws her in or 181 00:12:29.559 --> 00:12:32.559 does he do this transformation? What do you have in 182 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:34.919 terms of in your book? Is it more of a 183 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:39.360 gradual transformation? It becomes more controlling once he has her 184 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:42.440 in his lair, once he's controlled her to the point 185 00:12:42.519 --> 00:12:45.919 he's married her, he has her in a serious relationship. 186 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:50.679 Or is there something that she has had in her 187 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:55.159 relationship that binds her for a time with him, that 188 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:57.279 tolerates his kind of behavior from him. 189 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:01.639 I think she had a little bit of social insecurity, 190 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:11.039 and I think that made her a little easy to 191 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:17.039 fall under the spell of this good looking basketball star, 192 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:25.399 and he had a way of making her feel Initially 193 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:29.639 not like he was controlling her, but that he was 194 00:13:29.799 --> 00:13:34.159 caring for her. And it was until after they were 195 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:41.799 married that he really started trying to limit like, for example, 196 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:44.360 her friends and who she was friends with and who 197 00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:49.720 she spent time with, and also with the holiday thing. 198 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:57.360 It was one of the reasons why Joscelyn decided she 199 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:01.279 didn't want children with him, because she felt that their 200 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:05.559 religious beliefs were so totally incompatible that it would only 201 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:13.519 cause problems. And she also didn't think that his controlling 202 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:16.279 behavior would be a good environment for a child. 203 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:22.919 Now, with this verbal abuse and this controlling attitude, does 204 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:27.240 she believe that he is faithful? And what does she 205 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:32.200 discover and what does his behavior in terms of allegations, 206 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:35.720 What exactly does she find in terms of his faithfulness 207 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:36.559 in this marriage? 208 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:43.159 Well, I think that she probably suspected a little before 209 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:53.080 she knew, but he he had had a girlfriend that 210 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:59.120 he started seeing and she didn't really know about her. 211 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:05.480 But when he talked about her, he referred to her 212 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:13.000 as this fat girl that needed his help. And Jocelyn 213 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:17.600 was having doubts about this that he seemed to be 214 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:20.919 a little too focused on her for that if that 215 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:25.960 was the only thing in their relationship, and he claimed 216 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:30.919 that she was a cleaning lady, and so she and 217 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:36.159 her friend Jennifer went out one night looking for his 218 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:45.240 vehicle and they spotted him at parked at a restaurant, 219 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:51.080 and in the car was a very small red leather jacket, 220 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:57.639 and she knew then that that woman was not a 221 00:15:57.799 --> 00:16:02.159 fat girl that needed someone to help, and so that 222 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:06.000 was the beginning of finding out. But she was still 223 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:12.840 willing to give him another chance, and he actually suggested 224 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:18.440 to her, you know, that this should be okay, that 225 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:20.840 he should be able to have someone on the side, 226 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:24.840 but she didn't think that made sense to be married 227 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:30.559 to someone that was doing that. So she then one 228 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:35.080 night went with her friend Jennifer out to the home 229 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:40.679 he had built on Smith Mountain Lake, and that's where 230 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:48.799 the final straw fell. She looked into this beautiful home 231 00:16:49.720 --> 00:16:56.759 with glass windows all around, and actually saw them going 232 00:16:56.879 --> 00:17:05.240 into bed together and starting to touch each other, and 233 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:10.759 she screamed at them through the glass, and that was 234 00:17:10.839 --> 00:17:14.759 the final straw for her. She knew that, you know, 235 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:21.519 all the lives were exposed, and she had to believe 236 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:27.279 what she saw firsthand, and that's when she filed for divorce. 237 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:34.240 Was she concerned about financial arrangements, because we're talking about 238 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:37.279 a nice home over a million dollars a million and 239 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:42.160 a quarter, so there was some affluence attached to at 240 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:44.880 least do they believe at that time with him. Was 241 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:46.799 she concerned about that? Was she just trying to get 242 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:47.839 out girl? 243 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:53.200 Well, she was not so much concerned about that. She thought, 244 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:59.880 you know that in the beginning, all she wanted was 245 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:04.599 a cozy little cabin on the lake. It was all 246 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:12.119 his idea to build a huge masterpiece to his wonderfulness 247 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:15.200 on the lake. And it was you know, the place 248 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:19.759 was worth more than a million dollars, and she didn't 249 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:21.640 want it. She didn't want to have anything to do 250 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:25.440 with it. She was fine. She could keep their house 251 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:29.240 in Forest and he could keep the place insist Mountain Lake. 252 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:35.680 There was a little problem though, for Wesley, in that 253 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:39.720 he wanted to keep that house, but the market, the 254 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:43.400 real estate market was down, so he couldn't get what 255 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:48.359 it was worth, and he couldn't get enough to cover 256 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:54.160 the mortgage. And with his salary alone, which was under 257 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:59.119 one hundred thousand, he could not pay that mortgage. But 258 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.519 Josson could, and for a while she was paying half 259 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:09.519 of it. Then when she died, he no longer had 260 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:14.200 enough money for the mortgage because people were looking at 261 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:16.000 him and he couldn't get to life insurance. 262 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:24.039 Now, what is the response once they realized with her 263 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:27.880 best friend Jennifer and her you know, doing the undercover 264 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:30.759 work and finding him to be fooling around with some 265 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:33.960 woman and so his stories are nonsense, what is her 266 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:37.680 next move? She files for tell us about the divorce 267 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:42.559 itself and proceedings in terms of how, you know, how 268 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:44.559 amicable is he did with the split? 269 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:53.000 It was kind of messy on the financial level because 270 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:59.039 he wanted he wanted alimony, and he wanted her to 271 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:04.720 cover some of his expenses because you know, technically she 272 00:20:04.759 --> 00:20:09.640 could afford it and he couldn't. And then it got 273 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:16.480 even creepier. One night, while she wasn't there, he broke 274 00:20:16.599 --> 00:20:21.960 into her house and he found the document that she 275 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:27.319 was preparing for her attorney that was basically a timeline 276 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:32.319 of things that had happened in their relationship, and he 277 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:37.119 actually wrote other things on there, and he wrote them 278 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:43.200 as if they were coming from Jocelyn. It was apparent 279 00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:45.880 when they found this that it was different handwriting, but 280 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:49.480 he was writing things like Oh, Jocelyn told me to 281 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:53.799 go she didn't want sex anymore, go out and get 282 00:20:53.839 --> 00:21:00.799 a girlfriend. And she was telling she was making he 283 00:21:01.039 --> 00:21:03.640 was he was writing notes that made it sound like 284 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:07.359 she was praising him for being so understanding and such 285 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:09.720 a good husband and and things like that. 286 00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:10.200 It was. 287 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:20.920 It was really bizarre. Then another time he Uh came 288 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:25.160 to her house late at night. He parked his car 289 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:29.839 a long ways away. He was dressed all in black, 290 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:33.319 and he came to her door and she would not 291 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:40.880 let him in and she caught Instead, she called Jennifer, 292 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:45.480 and Jennifer came out and talked to him and talked 293 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:50.000 to him, and finally after a couple hours, got him 294 00:21:50.039 --> 00:21:54.599 to go away. But he was adamant that she gives 295 00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:58.880 some papers to Jocelyn that they stopped going through the 296 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:04.720 lawyers and work this out between themselves and uh. But 297 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:09.440 really he was trying to manipulate the whole situation to 298 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:16.319 get what he wanted. And law enforcement strongly suspects that 299 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:22.119 that night his his real intention was to come up 300 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:26.559 there and kill her that night, and that wasn't his intention. 301 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:30.880 He was he was making a dry run to see 302 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:32.119 if he could pull it off. 303 00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:38.599 Now, she Jocelyn has a couple of friends, Jennifer and Marcy, 304 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:41.480 And there's a maza which later. 305 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:42.960 But but. 306 00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:48.599 And there's also the issue of does she write any 307 00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:51.119 of this stuff down? And who does she confide to? 308 00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:53.359 And what does she tell her friends in terms of 309 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:58.480 her now suspicion and and and sort of fear, what 310 00:22:58.720 --> 00:23:00.920 what does that entail? And what does she tell her friends, 311 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:03.640 and what kind of detail and tell us if there 312 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:05.920 if she's writing stuff down, if she's writing any of 313 00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:07.759 her intimate thoughts down. 314 00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:14.559 She had about seventeen handwritten journals that she kept. They 315 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:17.160 found most of them in her home, some of them 316 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:22.119 in her office, where she wrote about everything that went 317 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:26.200 on between her and Wesley, everything he said and everything 318 00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:31.680 he did, and everything she found out. And she also 319 00:23:31.880 --> 00:23:35.079 told her family and friends that, you know, if anything 320 00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:39.079 ever happens to me, even if it looks like an accident, 321 00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:47.240 even if it looks like a suicide, Wesley did it. Yeah. 322 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:52.559 And that's not a light sentiment. That's not a comment 323 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:55.119 that people can just dismiss. So obviously there was an 324 00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:59.079 interaction between her friends in that she definitely feared for 325 00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:01.960 her life and and told her friends, why. 326 00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:10.240 Oh, we're told I don't understand the question, did. 327 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:13.039 Well, what was the reason she gave that she was 328 00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:17.160 other than these incidents? But why? What was the reason 329 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:21.759 why she believed that her husband would kill her if anyone. 330 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:32.039 Well, she felt that he wanted the life insurance, he 331 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:38.079 wanted her assets. He wanted to just get her out 332 00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:41.839 of his life so that he didn't have to fool 333 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:46.480 with any of this divorced stuff anymore, because he didn't 334 00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:48.599 feel he was getting a fair shake out of it. 335 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:52.480 He really thought that he should be getting support from Earth, 336 00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:57.359 and nothing was going the way he wanted. 337 00:24:59.720 --> 00:24:59.880 Was he? 338 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:04.920 How rejected was he and how angered was he by 339 00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:05.920 that rejection? 340 00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:11.240 Well, I mean she did reject him, and he was 341 00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:17.720 angered by that because he certainly was losing control and 342 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:21.559 he wanted that control. He didn't really want her as 343 00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:25.759 a person. He was already involved with someone else and 344 00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:31.960 perfectly happy with that other woman. And he denied to 345 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:36.359 everybody in his new job in Chesapeake, Virginia that he 346 00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:41.440 was even married. He said, no, I've never been married before. 347 00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:48.599 And he also was very dismissive of his current girlfriend 348 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:51.440 to them, he referred to her as some chick I 349 00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:55.880 met in the mountains. So he did not have a 350 00:25:55.960 --> 00:26:02.240 lot of respect for women in general, and even less 351 00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:06.519 for any woman who came under his control in any measure. 352 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:15.279 And he really didn't see any problem with how he 353 00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:22.079 was because he's very narcissistic. He was always looking for 354 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:26.160 people to look up to him, to praise him. He 355 00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:30.200 talked about how he didn't need to work. He told 356 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:32.839 all the people there he didn't need to work because 357 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:37.480 he was independently wealthy, and he had property in California 358 00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:43.319 and had this beautiful lake home. And meanwhile out in 359 00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:49.599 Chesapeake he's living in the boarding house and he's living 360 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:53.880 in a ratty little trailer on a campground. I mean, 361 00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:58.039 he didn't have much anything, but he was spoke in 362 00:26:58.079 --> 00:26:58.920 a mighty good. 363 00:26:58.839 --> 00:27:04.759 Game before we get into the actual day. And I 364 00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:09.759 love how your book has the minute by minute texting 365 00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:15.160 between Marcy and Joscelyn and then the text fall away. 366 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:18.680 So before we get into that, I just wanted to know, 367 00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:23.960 and again for our audience too, and this will be important, 368 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:26.680 and of course obviously it would be important. What was 369 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:31.559 written in the journal, say the last day or the 370 00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:35.480 last days? And it was it a cryptic message? Was 371 00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:38.400 there something in there? Besides, you know, telling her friends 372 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:42.440 that if something happens to me, was there anything in 373 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:46.319 a premonition type way in those last few days in 374 00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:47.440 her journal. 375 00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:53.519 She said, he will probably shoot me and then you'll 376 00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:54.559 shoot himself. 377 00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:01.640 And what day was that or just days? 378 00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:05.240 I believe that that was just days before she died. 379 00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:12.559 Okay, now we're talking about the Christmas time, and Marcy 380 00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:14.720 takes a couple of weeks off. She has the ability 381 00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:17.359 where she works kind of important versus it takes a 382 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:20.519 couple of weeks off to get all our Christmas shopping 383 00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:24.359 done and everything done for preparations. Like you say, Jocelyn's 384 00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:30.079 very much into the holidays and Marcy being being great 385 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.720 friends and Jennifer, everybody's into the holidays. So she has 386 00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:36.680 some time off and they're texting and we're I think 387 00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:41.039 this is around well, very close to Christmas, about a 388 00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:46.200 week before Christmas, decembern was nineteenth or so, and so 389 00:28:46.359 --> 00:28:49.519 tell us about the day and they, like many people 390 00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:53.759 text between each other at work, and so tell us 391 00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:56.799 about that day and the conversations that they had via text. 392 00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:02.880 Well, they texted back and forth that day talking about 393 00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:08.160 getting together that evening, and that was definitely what they 394 00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:11.799 planned to do was to get together that evening, but 395 00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:22.640 the plans were a little fluid because Jocelyn had meetings 396 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:28.799 at work. She was going to see her therapist after work, 397 00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:33.240 she you know, so it all depended on when she 398 00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:37.960 wrapped up her day, and Marcy was, you know, definitely 399 00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:43.200 flexible since she wasn't working that week. She was in 400 00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:47.079 an unusual situation where she and her husband were still 401 00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:51.599