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smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for

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your support our Mecklenberg County Sheriff Gary not my fault McFadden.

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He is at it again and he wants everybody to

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know none of this stuff is his fault, which is

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very on brand for not my fault McFadden. So several

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developments over the last week that I've had, but I

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just keep kind of pushing off because of the obvious

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developments in the news cycle. Let me start with this.

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I got screenshots the other day of an announcement that

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McFadden sent out to all Mecklenberg County Sheriff's Office employees

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and it says, today I wanted to give you an

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advanced notice of a possible news story that will be

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published by the Charlotte Observer within a couple of days,

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the Charlotte Observer will publish a story that will possibly

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contain comments and criticism from former Chief of Detention T. White.

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Our PIO staff and I were notified of this several

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days ago, and on Wednesday morning, I was interviewed by

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The Charlotte Observer regarding the comments that were presented to me,

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possibly made by Chief of Detention T. White. I am

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only giving you this notice because we all have been

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subject to these Mecklinberg County Sheriff's all employee emails and

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news stories that sometimes shock us all. So I will

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wait to see the entire interview published. But from what

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was provided to me by the Charlotte Observer, it was

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extremely disappointing and hard to believe for many obvious reasons.

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So I will wait. He's always the victim or the hero,

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remember Gary, not my fault. Macfadden, always the hero or

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the victim, never the villain. So he's going to wait

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for the article to be published before I make any

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further comments to you as our staff. Personally, I am

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fine and will continue to be fine and fearless and

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faithful to this agency. Hero. So remember when storms come,

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they bring rain that rain will water the seeds that

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have been planted deeply into the soils of Meckleiberg County

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Sheriff's Office by you as our staff. But if there's

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an old sorry, but there is an old African proverb

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to remember quote if there is no enemy within, the

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enemy outside can do no harm, which I'm not actually

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sure that's true. I mean, I know it's a proverb

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in all but I if there is no enemy within

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the outside could do no harm. I'm not like, if

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your village is surrounded by a million troops and they

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lay siege to your village. You may have no enemies

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inside that village, but the enemy outside can definitely do

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you some harm. So I'm not really sure that that

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proverb anyway. Have a safe and amazing day, that's what

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he says. I've seen no article by the Charlotte Observer

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quoting one T. White, but he obviously has no problem

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talking about personnel matters in an all staff email when

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he wants to alert everybody that there's going to be

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yet another news article or is I guess he would

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probably call it a hit piece directed at him. But again,

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I haven't seen any reporting. I've been waiting for it.

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I haven't seen a report on any accusations from t White.

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Now there is a story about his former business director,

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Angelia Rigsby, who, if I recall correctly, spoke with Vince

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Cokeley several months ago and talked about how she was fired,

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And now she has filed a lawsuit against Gary. Not

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my fault McFadden. A federal lawsuit filed on Friday, says

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he created a toxic culture of retaliation and racism within

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the sheriff's department. She worked at the sheriff's office for

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just eight months before McFadden terminated her last November. We

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reported on that at the time as well. For almost

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a year, the sheriff has been hounded by criticism from

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former employees. Two chief deputies who quit and his recently

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retired chief of detention have accused him of classlessness, bullying,

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and narcissism. Yeah, check and check. McFadden responded to those

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claims in recent interviews with The Observer. He said that

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all three were playing the victim. He has not said

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whether he is running for reelection. By the way, I

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suspect that this might be the article that McFadden was

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worried about because it doesn't I don't believe it specifically

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mentions t White, but it seems like maybe the observer

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may have gotten win that this that this was coming,

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that this lawsuit was going to get filed, and maybe

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that's why they went to him to try to get

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quotes from him before the lawsuit got filed, so they

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would have them when the lawsuit dropped. Just a guess.

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I don't know that to be true, but that's just

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a guess because this article came out after his all

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staff email. He has not said whether he is running

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for reelection, but the Democrat primary in March already has

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three candidates, former Chief Deputy Rodney Collins, CMPD Sergeant Ricky

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Robbins and former jail officer Antoine Nance. In a June

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twenty twenty four internal report, this goes to the nature

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of the lawsuit the allegations now. Rigsby points out in

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this internal report a pay disparity. She was warning that

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there was a black woman in a managerial role at

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the Sheriff's office who was making less money than three

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supervisors who had less experience than she did and had

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less responsibility and less tenure. They were at the Sheriff's

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office for a fewer years. So you have this one

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woman who's a black woman in this role, but then

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you have three other, I guess, similarly situated supervisors who

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are not as qualified, and they're making more money, she says,

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and this is in the internal report. She said. If

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this is not corrected, it could result in legal action

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for the Sheriff's office. She told the then chief Deputy,

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Kevin Canty, who we've had on this program, And she

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told the human resources director Alexis Pearson that she was

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concerned that the pay disparity may be racially biased and illegal.

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McFadden is also black, and he denied Rigsby's request to

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adjust the employee's pay. Now, I don't know the race

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of these other supervisors. Rigsby has also claimed that McFadden

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asked her to alter governmental records after The Charlotte Observer

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filed the public records request for his travel expenses. So

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the Observer reported on his trips around the country, along

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with trips that other sheriffs in the Charlotte region took

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as well. His then executive assistant, Shelby Jones, calls up

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Riggsby about this record's request from the newspaper. Jones, the

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executive assistant to not my fault McFadden. Jones said that

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McFadden quote did not want all that, all the records

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in question. He did not want all that to go out. Yeah,

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it's a public records request. It's a Freedom of Information

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Act request like it's public record. So, according to the lawsuit, McFadden,

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through his assistant Jones, ordered Rigsby to change the records

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and that's no bueno. That is not good. Riggsby refused

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because she believed that the request was illegal. McFadden's request

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to change the data. She believed that that would be

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illegal and would implicate her in illegal conduct. She reported

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that this request was also unethical. Rigsby discovered and exposed

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that several employees were employed and being paid for services

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not performed. So we're just handing out checks to people

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that are these are no show jobs. So McFadden's been

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giving people no show jobs too. That was part of

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a fraud investigation in which the former business director was

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alleged to have contracted with personal friends who did not

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perform their contractual obligations to the department. No boyo. So

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when I was a kid, my Grandpa died with Alzheimer's,

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and before he died, my mom and my dad took

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care of him as he got worse. Forty years ago,

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there were no treatments and not much support for caregivers

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and family. But things are different today because of the

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work of so many people, including the Alzheimer's Association of

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Western CA Carolina. It's a great organization with awesome people

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with huge hearts. I've been a supporter for twenty five years.

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This cause means a lot to me. I participate in

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the annual Walk to end Alzheimer's and I'm leading a

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Charlotte team again this year, and it's called once again

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Pete's Pack. You can sign up and you can join

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the team and walk with us. It's on October eighteenth,

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that truest field. Sign up at alz dot org slash

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walk and then you can search for my team name

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Pete's Pack. There's also a link at thepetepod dot com.

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There's also a link in the description of this podcast. Also,

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I'll be am seeing the Gastonia Walk on October eleventh,

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and so you can make a team and join that

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one too, or make a donation and help me hit

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my goal of five thousand dollars. If you do, I

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really appreciate it. There are a bunch of other walks

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all over the Carolinas. You can go to alz dot

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org slash walk for all the dates and locations. We're

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closer than ever to stopping Alzheimer's. Can you help us

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get there? Will you walk with me? For a different future,

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for families, for more time, for treements. This is why

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we walk. Beckelberg County Sheriff Gary not my fault. McFadden

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has now issued a statement. It's actually a YouTube video.

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It's almost twelve minutes long. I have not even had

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a chance to watch all of this in its entirety.

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I've been watching little chunks of it during the breaks

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and such. The big takeaway is that he's not going

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to play the victim, but he is the victim. That's

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the message. I don't want to play victim, but I'm

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the victim. I'm betrayed. I lost count. Maybe I'll try

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to start counting again. How many times he says the

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word betray or betrayed, betrayaled? He says it a lot.

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He also makes up some other words, but like he

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says betrayed, I feel betrayed. Everybody betrayed me. And then

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he says that all of these executive staff officers who

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have left him that are all black, that they should

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have shown him loyalty because they wouldn't have otherwise gotten

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a job at such a prestigious organization. Which, wow, that

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is a thing to say. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 2: This is Sheriff Gary mc fadden of the Meckenburg County

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Sheriff's Office. For the past several weeks, months, and days,

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I have been questioned years, repeatedly, years, Sheriff, why don't

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you give a statement about what your ex employees, ex

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executive have said? Each time I would tell that person

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of those people, I can't buy law.

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Speaker 1: But I can go at a graduation ceremony and just

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use that as an opportunity to just trash the people

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that we're filing these complaints against him. Yeah, that's what

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he So he can do that, but he just can't.

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I'm sorry, I cannot comment on personnel matters, and now

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obviously a federal lawsuit against him.

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Speaker 2: The law prohibits me from talking about personnel matters. This

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past weekend, I was at an event and two people say,

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Sheriff tell them how you really feel, tell them about

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how you feel trade tell them what your family is

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going through, and tell them how your wife feel betrayed

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by the very people that you trusted and you actually

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entrusted them with your wife for their personal matters and

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personal well being and also personal growth. So after thinking

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about that time and time again, I want to come

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to you to try to give you some clarity on

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what I feel and what has happened. So it's trying

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to give this statement. We have to understand by law,

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I cannot talk about personal matters, y know, But they

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have the ability to talk about personal matters and they

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have the ability to be the victim. And I'm not

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going to play the role of the victim, but they

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do have that luxury to talk about what they believe

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and how they feel that they have been victims. And

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my statement today is not about personal matters, but it's

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about matters that our personal.

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Speaker 3: To me.

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Speaker 2: The first is how feel I feel betrayed betrayed. I

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feel that my loyalty was betrayed, my trust in my

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staff was betrayed, and most of all, the betrayal that

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my wife felt when I told her who said what

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and what was said and by whom. And I remember

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that because one of the ex executive staff members had

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weekly calls with her and they talked to help them

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move along in their career. But imagine having dinner with

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the same people with your wife presence. This was the

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first time my wife ever came involved with my work

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as a law enforcement officer for forty four years, and

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so I allowed her to come inside to see what

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we do. And so this is about my character, my reputation,

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my integrity, my loyalty, but most of all, it's about

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my legacy. And I have to tell you that I

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still feel portrayed, and my family feels portrayed, but most

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of all, my wife feel betrayed because she well knew

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how much she has helped several of these people and

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the conversation that she had with these people and recent

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conversations that we had with these people. And the reason

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that is so outstanding is because during the time before illness,

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we still kept in touch with them and we allowed

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certain people to come and visit her at the hospital.

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But we all know that my ex executives or executive staff,

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which should be the people that you can trust with

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any conversation when you have an executive staff, you believe

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that you can have these conversations, you can have these

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tough conversations and you move on. That is not the

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case here.

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Speaker 1: No, from my.

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Speaker 2: Executive staff, who should be my most trusted staff, is

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the most multiple betrayal of my agency.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know what the word multiple means, but

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that was another one. So he's up to ten mentions

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me get James on real quick. Hey, James, welcome to

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the program.

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Speaker 3: Hey, how you doing to day, good man?

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 3: Well? Uh? What has he been in office now for

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seven years? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: He's coming.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay this We've been hearing this since year one

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about I You know, every time he gets great a sized,

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he gets up on his high horse and tells the

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entire first the first words out of his mouth is

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I'm the first black sheriff, and then everything goes downhill

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about how everybody's picking on him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he's always the victim or the hero, never

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the villain. All these people around him and his executive leadership,

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they're all out to get him. They all betrayed him.

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It's never his fault.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's because that's because a very large part of

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the people who were working there when he was started

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have resigned and gone other places.

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Speaker 1: True. True that, yeah, they won't, they won't work for

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the guy.

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Speaker 3: He had to close Jail North because he didn't have

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the staff to run the place, and he couldn't nobody

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would come to work for him. And I worked for

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the Mecklenburg County Sheriff's office, and I've not personally known

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the last four sheriffs, and they were leaders, all of them,

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everybody from C. W. Kidd up to Irwin Carmichael. Gary

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McFadden is not a leader. He does nothing except self

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aggrandizement and then blames everybody when they don't fall down

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and worship at his feet.

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Speaker 1: I would say from the outside that appears to be

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an accurate representation. That's what it looks like from my

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vantage point as well. And I have no experience at

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the Sheriff's office.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you know my only the only thing I

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can say about that man is he is a disgrace

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to the office he holds.

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Speaker 1: James, I appreciate the call, sir, Thank.

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Speaker 3: You, thank you. All right, buddy, thank you letting me avam.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, I understand. Let's get back to Gary's. By

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the way, he's sitting on a couch at an unflattering

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camera angle, reading off of a bunch of papers on

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his crossed knee. So here he is now and de portret.

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Speaker 2: Oh and you hear them saying words like narcissists and

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godlike and all of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: What they should be saying is progressive, innovative, forward thinking.

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Oh my God, always direct and always clear, highly motivated,

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have hot expectations, demands accountability, but most of all caring, caring,

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most of all caring. So imagine for the first time

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people came to your home to eat. We have allowed

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the sheriff's deputies to come inside our home to eat,

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talk to my parents, talk to my in laws, and

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held my grandchildren. But now to be portrayed by some

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of these very people is unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: The ultimate but most of all ultiple.

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Speaker 2: I gave them grace, and they even have grace now

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because of the laws that will not permit me to

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talk about their personal time here, talked about their behavior here,

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talked about their evaluations here, and talked about all the

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things that we discuss.

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Speaker 1: Hang on a second, you're giving them grace because you're

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not allowed to trash them. That's not how grace works. Gary,

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That's not great at all. That's you being restrained by

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the law. Because if you didn't have the law restraining you,

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I suspect you would have all sorts of things to say.

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You have said all sorts of things to them in

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the privacy of your super secret executive staff meetings. Right

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You've attacked them and savaged them in front of their

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coworkers and stuff. You belittle them and bully them. I mean,

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that's according to how many one, two, three, four, what

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do we have to now? Five? Are we had half

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a dozen former executive staff people who have quit your

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ranks because of you. It's you, dude, it's not everybody else.

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This is a you thing. But he can't see it.

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Speaker 2: He won't acknowledge that doing executive staff meetings, the meetings

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that are held away from all other staff members, and

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the executive staff meetings should have been sacred.

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Speaker 1: So like when you were like using racial slurs against

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your people, that's what you wanted to be sacred. That

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do I have that right? The ultiple betrayal is what

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you called it. I'm gonna start calling myself the multiple

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radio host on WBT, I am the ultiple radio host.

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It's a great title because it doesn't mean anything because

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the word is made up. It's not a real word.

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Speaker 2: Should have loyalty, should have honesty, but it wasn't. My

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executive staff, most of all had betrayal.

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Speaker 1: There's another one, And what was.

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Speaker 2: Grace part of it? Because here's why I think grace

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is part of it. They had grace to see one

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of the most successful, outgoing progressive agencies here in North

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Carolina and possibly in America. And this is why I

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believe that a few of them seek employment here, not

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knowing that it was this progressive, this outspoken, this direct

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The sheriff holds people to accountability, and we asked to

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be honest.

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Speaker 1: So basically, you were lucky to see me work. He

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feels betrayed because I let you see me work, and

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I'm progressive and outspoken and I care. It was with

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the utmost of caring. I dare say the ultiple of caring.

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When he called people racial slurs. See, that's just proof

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of how caring he is and why he wants all

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this stuff secret, and I guess probably why he wanted

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to keep the travel records secret and then tried to

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get them doctored, because that's that's what caring people do.

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That's what honesty is about changing your travel records under

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a Freedom of Information Act request.

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Speaker 2: But we did not get that. We simply got portrayals,

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ahing and the grace which also allowed them time in

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their difficulties and not knowing how difficult it is to

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be the first and why we say the first, Well,

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I don't know how difficult it is to be the

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first of anything, but to be the first African American

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law enforcement officer to also be portrayed by African American

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executive staff members is also something that I would never

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fathom happening.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, So you thought that just because you

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share a skin color, you should be able to abuse

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them or maybe behave unethically and that they would cover

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for you because they're black. Two. Wow, that is well,

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that is a management style. I guess that. I that's

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pretty astounding. By the way, I am up to now

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fifteen fifteen uses of the word betray or betrayal fifteen

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times in six and a half minutes, I think he

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time offer. We're about halfway a little bit more than

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halfway through this video message from a personal message from

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Sheriff Gary not my fault McFadden addressing staff departures. He

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has so far said the word betray or betrayed fifteen times.

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Let's see how many more he'll say it.

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Speaker 2: Why? Because I gave them grace and I give them

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opportunity that most of them would have never had or

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would have never experienced by working for agency of this caliber.

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Speaker 1: So, in other words, they're too they're not good enough

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to work at a sheriff's office of this caliber. Like

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what an overinflated sense this guy has of himself.

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Speaker 2: Which all leaves mean to be baffled, because we all

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know in the African American community, the whispers are this,

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why does African Americans target African Americans when they're at

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the top of leadership. Why don't any of these ex

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executive staff members talked about their previous or previously employers

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or their previous staff even here at the Mackenburg County

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Sheriff's Office.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I can answer that one is because you suck.

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That's why you're a terrible leader and manager. That's why

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they're saying these things. And the idea that you would

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expect them to stick together because of your race is

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an unbelievable admission to make as the top law enforcement officer.

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It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: And so that leads me to the whispers of our community.

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Why now, Well, we all know it's election season, and

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we all know that I'm very outspoken, and we all

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know that the law is going to prohibit me to

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talk about personnel matters. So if one person's opened the door,

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it gives the advantage for other people to walk in

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and say what they want to say, but they will

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play the victim. I will not play the victim this

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whole time. But here's what I want you to understand

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that I understand in these days of trying to find

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out why, I don't need to know why. I just

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wish each and one of them good luck in wherever

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they may work. Again. I just ask that they don't

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be as deceiving and they do not betray the other

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the employers as they portrayed me. And someone said with

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Sheriff Macfatt, how do you go through this every day?

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Yesterday a young man said, what books that you read

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to stand all of this betrayal and all of this

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criticism they think you are subjected to.

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Speaker 1: I don't think people are asking this, And I said, I.

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Speaker 2: Have very good friends, number one, and I have very

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good sheriffs who have countlessly called me and say, stand strong,

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stand tall. We know who you are. The people that

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really know me, who really know me for over forty years,

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know that my dedication to this community, my dedication to

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the victims, and even the dedication to my staff, because

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what we are listening to is the executive staff members,

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and not the people in the hallways, not the people

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in the pods, not the people that I talk to daily,

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not the people of the chain of command. As they say,

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do I support the little man absolutely, wh I support

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the middleman absolutely? Do I support the executive staff absolutely?

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When you are honest, you are forthcoming, you're clear, and

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you're direct. Being on the executive level takes true leadership,

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true honesty and tough skin. Why because you're going to

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hear some things that you may not want to hear,

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because I'm requiring you to have accountability for others. I

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am not perfect, never ask to be perfect, and never

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will be perfect. All I was and still ask for

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is excellence. This is an agency of excellence and it

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always will be because this is what I expect each

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and every day. So if you want to work here,

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bring excellence. If you want to work here, bring honesty.

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If you want to work here, bring loyalty. If you

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want to work here, bring respect. But when people say, Sheriff,

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how do you do this? All the time, and you

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go on each and every day. How do you run

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an agency still be criticized and be betrayed by members

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of your staff, your current staff, and even the staff

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that have retired. I have a quote in one of

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my officers and a quote that I always look at,

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and it's about a gentleman who wrote about another gentleman

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in nineteen forty and in that that letter said, great

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spirits have always encountered violent opposition from the mediocre mind.

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The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who

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refuses to buy blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead

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to express his opinion courageously and honestly. That is out Einstein.

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This is what keeps me going every day, not to

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dwell in the minds of the mediocre thinker, but to

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dwell in the minds of a progressive thinker, a forward thinker,

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an honest thinker who will not betray him for his staff.

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I want to thank you for listening. This is my statement.

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I put this to rest, and I move forward. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I don't know there's a federal loss that I don't

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know if you're putting that to rest. Actually, Sheriff but

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I guess he considers himself to be the great spirit

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opposing being opposed by mediocre minds, and the final count

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there was twenty times he mentioned betrayed or betrayal in

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a twelve minute address. All right, that'll do it for

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this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could

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not do the show without your support and the support

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of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if

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you'd like, please support them too and tell them you

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heard it here. You can also become a patron at

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my Patreon page or go to dpetecalanarshow dot com. Again,

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thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything

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while I'm gone.

