Speaker 1: For members only. Golf Smarter number three hundred and eighty five,
Speaker 1: published on May twenty one, twenty thirteen.
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Speaker 1: The subtitle of the book is Growing Up Girls and
Speaker 1: Looping on the Old Course? Why Girls and what do
Speaker 1: you get?
Speaker 3: Okay, second season I get back, there's a rival business
Speaker 3: that has started up in St Andrews that is in
Speaker 3: its infancy when I get there in the second year.
Speaker 3: It's called model caddying. What it is is two university
Speaker 3: girls have started a caddy business in which they're about
Speaker 3: twenty five university girls, all of them with modeling experience,
Speaker 3: who are going to be caddying in Scotland. None of
Speaker 3: them are golfers. They are all from Saint Andrews, but
Speaker 3: they I guess none of them even had been on
Speaker 3: a golf course before they were like the twenty five exceptions.
Speaker 3: If they knew golf. None of them had ever ever
Speaker 3: caddied before, so at this point they needed someone to
Speaker 3: train them, and I got introduced to them my first
Speaker 3: night back in St. Andrews. I'm talking to these three
Speaker 3: girls who are about twenty five thousand leagues above me,
Speaker 3: like I would never be able to talk to these
Speaker 3: girls otherwise, And it comes up that I'm a caddie,
Speaker 3: and this girl Julie, who's setting the whole thing up, goes,
Speaker 3: oh my god, that's so cool that you're a caddy.
Speaker 3: And never in my life have I been told the
Speaker 3: caddying is cool.
Speaker 1: An American caddy in Saint Andrews with author Oliver Horovitz.
Speaker 1: This is Golf Smarter. Welcome to Golf Smarter for remembers only.
Speaker 3: Oliver, Hello, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to have you on here. You you wrote
Speaker 1: a book that I found to be so fun entertaining,
Speaker 1: and I'm just excited to have you on the show.
Speaker 1: When do I begin tell me the basis of an
Speaker 1: American caddie in St. Andrews.
Speaker 3: An American Caddy in St. Andrews is about my seventh
Speaker 3: summers that I've spent caddying on the Old Course in
Speaker 3: St Andrews, Scotland.
Speaker 1: And that has got to be an exclusive opportunity. How
Speaker 1: did you nail that?
Speaker 3: It's a good question. So I was. I went to
Speaker 3: high school at Stuyvesant High School in New York City.
Speaker 3: Stuyvesant is just so you know, it's one of these
Speaker 3: specialized schools. So it's one of the dorkiest high schools
Speaker 3: you'll ever find in the entire country. Everyone knew everyone
Speaker 3: else's GPA to the decimal place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an East Coast thing.
Speaker 3: Our robotics team was nationally ranked, and.
Speaker 1: You were you were golf nerd.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and in the midst of this, I founded the
Speaker 3: golf team, so you founded it. I was like the fawnds,
Speaker 3: as you can imagine.
Speaker 1: And then and they're like going, oh exciting, we get
Speaker 1: to play video golf and you're like, no, with an actual.
Speaker 3: Ball part of the deal. In Manhattan, if you we
Speaker 3: were the only public school in Manhattan that had a
Speaker 3: golf team. So what that meant was we were either
Speaker 3: hitting balls at Chelsea Pears or we were taking the
Speaker 3: subway up to the Bronx to play golf at Van
Speaker 3: Cortland Park.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, fun and how big? How big of a
Speaker 1: team did you create.
Speaker 3: We had a lot of spillover from the football team
Speaker 3: and the basketball team. We had about four kids who
Speaker 3: could play golf. Actually, our high school matches had a
Speaker 3: rule in which it wasn't the lowest score one on
Speaker 3: the hole, it was after seven shots, the person who
Speaker 3: was closest to the cup won the hole. I like,
Speaker 3: so anyway, I was.
Speaker 1: On everybody gets a trophy at the end.
Speaker 3: There were a lot of participation ribbons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and who brought the oranges?
Speaker 3: Exactly? So I so I went stabsant and in my
Speaker 3: senior year, I was on the wait list to get
Speaker 3: into Harvard.
Speaker 1: I was congratulations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean at the at the time, it was
Speaker 3: really really stressful because kids were getting off the waitlist
Speaker 3: and being told they had gotten in. Uh, kids were
Speaker 3: getting rejected off of it. I heard literally nothing until
Speaker 3: until June, and I was in the middle of my
Speaker 3: graduation ceremony and I was actually up on stage playing
Speaker 3: trumpet because our you know, our school band was playing.
Speaker 1: It wasn't as if you were not a super achiever
Speaker 1: you also had to be playing on this Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was playing third trumpet, which is kind of like
Speaker 3: playing division seven hockey or something.
Speaker 1: Right, and you only had two trumpet players.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was. I was on stage playing trumpet
Speaker 3: literally the middle of the graduation ceremony, and my phone
Speaker 3: rang in the middle of the ceremony and I looked
Speaker 3: at it, and it was Sally Champagne, the Harvard admissions
Speaker 3: officer for the New York region. Uh, Sally Champagne kind
Speaker 3: of sounds like a stripper name, but she was actually
Speaker 3: a missions officer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I wasn't gonna buy it. Actually, isn't
Speaker 1: this a porno that you're talking about? Exactly? Sally Champagne? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like ham.
Speaker 3: So basically everyone around me knew that I'd been waiting
Speaker 3: on this call, and like everyone was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: she's calling. This is happening. I ran off stage and
Speaker 3: I went into this kind of side corridor alley, and
Speaker 3: I took the call.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, you ran off stage during this during
Speaker 1: the yep, you guys.
Speaker 3: Were playing so not smooth. I like put down my trumpet,
Speaker 3: like clanked he out of my seat, and I like
Speaker 3: shuffled out of the out of the auditorium. It must
Speaker 3: have looked really bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the band leader probably.
Speaker 3: Was pretty upset doctor Wheeler. I was not a big
Speaker 3: He was not a big fan of mine that day.
Speaker 1: Okay, so miss Champagne give you a.
Speaker 3: Call, and I take Miss Champagne's call, and she says
Speaker 3: to me, Oliver, I've got great news. You're in. And
Speaker 3: then I said, oh my god. And then she said
Speaker 3: you're in for next year. And then I was like,
Speaker 3: what do you beyond? I was like, why did you
Speaker 3: why did you deliver the news in that way? But
Speaker 3: what had happened was Stuyvesant, my high school, the college
Speaker 3: office lost my final semester grades. They misplaced them, and
Speaker 3: they didn't send them for two weeks after they were
Speaker 3: supposed to send them. And by the time they were
Speaker 3: you know, I'd killed myself that spring because I knew
Speaker 3: I had to get good grades if I was getnet
Speaker 3: off this wait list. And Harvard didn't get the grades
Speaker 3: in time filled up their class of two thousand and
Speaker 3: seven and then said to me, you're the first kid
Speaker 3: accepted for the class of two thousand and eight, and
Speaker 3: I thus was given I guess you'd call it a
Speaker 3: deferred admission. So I had to take a gap year,
Speaker 3: which is kind of a euphemism for killing three hundred
Speaker 3: and sixty five consecutive days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not somebody who's motivated to get this to
Speaker 1: Harvard is prepared to do well.
Speaker 3: You're totally right. I mean at the time I was,
Speaker 3: I was kind of bummed out because all of my
Speaker 3: a lot of kids from Stuyvesant were going there. I
Speaker 3: had about twenty friends I knew who were going to
Speaker 3: be there the year after.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so at the time I was, and those kids
Speaker 1: were so smart that if you waited one year, by
Speaker 1: the time you got there, they'd already graduated.
Speaker 3: They were going to be president or by the time
Speaker 3: I got there. So I so I was like, what
Speaker 3: am I going to do for this year? You know,
Speaker 3: if I if I take a year off and really
Speaker 3: just do nothing for a year, I'm going to get
Speaker 3: to Harvard, I'm gonna I'm gonna flunk out. And I
Speaker 3: and I had this, I had this idea. So I
Speaker 3: had already applied to University of Saint Andrews back earlier
Speaker 3: in the year as a as a safety, as like
Speaker 3: a lark in a way. And I knew about san
Speaker 3: Anerew's because my mom is actually English and we've got
Speaker 3: a great uncle who lived in Saint Andrews who'd been
Speaker 3: living there for fifty years named Ken Hayward, and I
Speaker 3: always knew him as this funny old English guy who
Speaker 3: wore a tweed coat and tweed tie every single day,
Speaker 3: even when he was in his garden. And you know,
Speaker 3: we'd come over there for you know, a visit once
Speaker 3: or twice a year to quote unquote see uncle Ken,
Speaker 3: but really just to go play golf.
Speaker 1: When did you start playing golf?
Speaker 3: I started when I was nine.
Speaker 1: Ah, okay, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Remember I saw the Masters on TV. I flipped through
Speaker 3: and ooh, what's this beautiful green space and who's this?
Speaker 3: Who's this Australian dude named Greg Norman playing? And he
Speaker 3: became my favorite player. And I turned to my dad
Speaker 3: that day and I said, yeah, we should try this thing.
Speaker 3: So my dad who was I think dad was fifty
Speaker 3: five at the time, and so I was nine, he
Speaker 3: was fifty five, and we started playing golf that basically
Speaker 3: that summer. So anyway, so I've been playing at this point,
Speaker 3: I've been playing for nine years. I had was playing
Speaker 3: off a one point eight. I was playing a lot
Speaker 3: of golf, very good. I was, you know, sort of
Speaker 3: at the point where I was like, you know, this
Speaker 3: is a good opportunity for me for a year to
Speaker 3: see how good I can get and see if there
Speaker 3: was any way to actually give this a shot of
Speaker 3: playing professionally. I mean, when I was fourteen fifteen, Fred,
Speaker 3: that was my dream in life was to be a
Speaker 3: golf thro Well, let's.
Speaker 1: See, you've already proven that you're a overachiever by a
Speaker 1: one point eight stuyves in a you know, an elite
Speaker 1: high school getting accepted to Harvard. Yeah, so I'm sure
Speaker 1: that you were very comfortable with setting very high goals
Speaker 1: for yourself and probably pressuring yourself way too much for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean I should say you one thing about Stivesan.
Speaker 3: You have to take a test to get in, and
Speaker 3: twenty four thousand kids take a test and eight hundred
Speaker 3: get in just one exam. I made it by one point. Wow,
Speaker 3: and each question is worth like seven points. So I
Speaker 3: don't even understand how that was possible. So I was
Speaker 3: literally number seven ninety nine or eight hundred accepted. So
Speaker 3: I was very used to squeaking into things like on
Speaker 3: the skin of my teeth, so Harvard the waitless thing
Speaker 3: didn't surprise me much. So I was like, you know what,
Speaker 3: Saint Andrews has this freshman year broad program and you
Speaker 3: can sort of go there and do your first year
Speaker 3: and then leave and you don't get credit. And the
Speaker 3: deal with Harvard was you can do anything you want
Speaker 3: for a year, but you cannot enroll in a four
Speaker 3: year program. And so I guess the loophole was because
Speaker 3: I could just do freshman year at Saint Andrews. The
Speaker 3: deal was I couldn't transfer any credit from my gap
Speaker 3: year back to Harvard. I'd have to start as a freshman.
Speaker 3: And I sort of like complained about that for a second,
Speaker 3: and Sally Champagne was like, well, you know, if you
Speaker 3: wanted to, you could reapply right now as a transfer,
Speaker 3: but you'd have to give up your spot now. And
Speaker 3: I was like, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: No no no, no, no, no no, because in your mind
Speaker 1: you're going I have to repeat thirteenth grade.
Speaker 3: Totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I flunked. Oh I'm a miserable failure.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm in I'm at this point, seventeen years old,
Speaker 3: and I've been, you know, just killing myself academically for
Speaker 3: four years in this really huge pressure cooker. And I
Speaker 3: was just completely about you know, getting there and getting started.
Speaker 3: But this this gap year seemed cool from the get
Speaker 3: go as well. I did a little research to St Andrews.
Speaker 3: I discovered a couple things pretty quickly like that night.
Speaker 3: First of all, Prince William was a junior at St
Speaker 3: Andrews when I was going to be going there. I
Speaker 3: knew that because he was there, female applications had risen
Speaker 3: significantly to St Andrews my year, freend, I think it
Speaker 3: was sixty five thirty five girl to guy ratio, sign
Speaker 3: them up correct. I also knew importantly that the drinking
Speaker 3: age in Saint Andrews and in the UK was eighteen,
Speaker 3: and by eighteen, I mean a very loosely enforced eighteen.
Speaker 3: There are often kids you see in the bars that
Speaker 3: are like maximum fifteen. And Saint Andrew's is, you know,
Speaker 3: it's this very quirky little town with only three streets
Speaker 3: and thirty one pubs. In this little town, it's got
Speaker 3: more pubs, more pubs per capita than anywhere else in
Speaker 3: the entire United Kingdom.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So the thing that sealed the deal was the golf.
Speaker 3: And here's why. When you're a student at University of
Speaker 3: St Andrew's, you get to play unlimited on the old
Speaker 3: course and the other at the time, five other courses
Speaker 3: for the entire year for one hundred and three pounds.
Speaker 3: Now that's two hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have I have a lot of golfers that
Speaker 3: I caddy for who are seventy to eighty years old,
Speaker 3: who ask that it's too late for them to apply
Speaker 3: as grad students.
Speaker 1: Okay, then I don't have to ask.
Speaker 3: It's done. I'll come over and write your recommendation.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: So I knew it was going to be a good year,
Speaker 3: and I knew that this was something that was was
Speaker 3: going to be fun. So I called them up. They
Speaker 3: said I could do it. I called Harvard. They said, yep,
Speaker 3: you can apply and you can go. You can enroll,
Speaker 3: and I shipped out and I started that September.
Speaker 1: Awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, as soon as I got to St. Andrews,
Speaker 3: there was a couple other surprises. I guess in retrospect
Speaker 3: it shouldn't be a surprise, but every single person it
Speaker 3: seemed like at St. Andrews in the university played golf,
Speaker 3: including very very cute girls. Oh everyone played golf. Now,
Speaker 3: it's almost as if it was a parallel inverted universe
Speaker 3: because the golf team at St. Andrews was the coolest
Speaker 3: team in the entire school. It was like the football
Speaker 3: team anywhere else.
Speaker 1: Wow, you are not in America anymore, my friend.
Speaker 3: The other the other kids were all English, like Northern English, Scottish,
Speaker 3: total party animals. They were basically out of the movie
Speaker 3: Animal House. Wow, there was no It's a very differently
Speaker 3: run team than in American schools. There's no adult supervision,
Speaker 3: there's no coach. We met once a week in a
Speaker 3: pub called the Gin House. And when I was there,
Speaker 3: there were twenty five kids in the golf team. Fred
Speaker 3: with a two handicap or better.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, crazy serious competition.
Speaker 3: And we're talking like a two handicap like in Scotland.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah right.
Speaker 3: I once had a match against a kid who was
Speaker 3: I knew he was a one. It was like a
Speaker 3: visiting match and I knew he was a one handicap
Speaker 3: and I had to play him. And then on the
Speaker 3: first he was like, where are you one? At by
Speaker 3: the way and he's like, oh at Carnouski. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think I lost about I think I was eight and seven.
Speaker 3: I got beaten. Yeah, if that so these kids were amazing,
Speaker 3: and golf was kind of like in a weird way,
Speaker 3: it was the currency with which you got respect in
Speaker 3: the school is completely weird, and so for the first
Speaker 3: time in my entire life, my playing golf was like
Speaker 3: a cool thing, and I thought, this is yeah, I've
Speaker 3: found the right place for me.
Speaker 1: This is good, this is going to be good. And
Speaker 1: then you're starting to go, I'm only here for a
Speaker 1: year exactly.
Speaker 3: And the year rolled through and they are all these
Speaker 3: amazing traditions at St Andrews. There's something called the May
Speaker 3: Dip because by the way, the university is six hundred
Speaker 3: years old. It turns six hundred this year. Wow, And
Speaker 3: they're all these old, old, old traditions, and one of
Speaker 3: them is the May Dip. It takes place on May first,
Speaker 3: in which the entire school, all seven thousand students, stay
Speaker 3: up all night, go into parties and then they at
Speaker 3: five in the morning charge into the North Sea completely naked.
Speaker 1: And you're talking about those cute golfing girls too.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's not like the people you don't want to see.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of the people that you really are
Speaker 3: praying to God every day that you're going.
Speaker 1: To see now, is this something that it's just for
Speaker 1: students or do alumni fight to come back?
Speaker 3: They do not come back for that. I've definitely seen
Speaker 3: some older people taking pictures on the beach, which is
Speaker 3: not totally kosher. But what are you gonna do? Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: I'll probably do the same thing when I'm seventy.
Speaker 1: You don't have to. You've got the memories, You've got
Speaker 1: the whole album of photographs in your head.
Speaker 3: Totally. So imagine this like every day there's something new
Speaker 3: like this going on, and you're amongst kids from all
Speaker 3: over the world. And I was seventeen. I had never been,
Speaker 3: you know, broad by myself before, and I'm suddenly in
Speaker 3: a class in which it'll be ten people in this
Speaker 3: international relations class. There'll be a kid from Germany, France, Sweden, England, Spain,
Speaker 3: maybe Canada, and I'll be like the only American in
Speaker 3: the class. It was wonderful and I just had the
Speaker 3: best year of my life. I had my first serious girlfriend,
Speaker 3: I did my first serious drinking. I missed five days
Speaker 3: of golf the entire year, and then.
Speaker 1: That's probably because of the girlfriend, right exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: And then the end of the year came around and
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, I'm just I'm not ready to
Speaker 3: leave Paradise yet. And so I thought about what I
Speaker 3: could do for the summer, and at the golf team
Speaker 3: at one of the meetings, the kids were telling me
Speaker 3: that a lot of golf team guys stayed over in
Speaker 3: the summer and they caddied on the Old Course, and
Speaker 3: they said if you, if you do it, you can
Speaker 3: make fifty pounds around. I remember the exchange r it
Speaker 3: was so bad back in four that I think was
Speaker 3: it was two to one. So you make a hundred
Speaker 3: bucks around if on a good day you get two
Speaker 3: rounds a day. And they told me all of the
Speaker 3: hilarious stories about you know, the gruff old Scottish caddies.
Speaker 3: So I thought to myself, Yeah, this sounds like a
Speaker 3: great summer job. This is perfect. So I push back
Speaker 3: my flights. I found a place to live over the summer,
Speaker 3: and I went down to the shack and I enrolled
Speaker 3: in the official Old Course trainee Caddy program. Now, when
Speaker 3: you're a trainee caddy, the way to get into the
Speaker 3: program it's it seems like it would be easier to
Speaker 3: get like a PhD. It takes so long. You have
Speaker 3: to first of all, do a week in house in
Speaker 3: which they give you all of these ridiculous like hours
Speaker 3: and hours of instruction covering everything. After this week, you
Speaker 3: then have to be a shadow caddy, in which you
Speaker 3: have to follow professional, older veteran caddies around the course
Speaker 3: and quote unquote I guess pick up tricks of the
Speaker 3: trade from them. Then you become a trainee caddy, in
Speaker 3: which you have to do thirty assessed rounds which you
Speaker 3: get paid a lot less money. You have a humiliatingly
Speaker 3: huge badge on your caddy bib which says trainee caddy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like saying, hey, pay me less money. And the
Speaker 3: worst thing this is it.
Speaker 1: Also says, hey, if I make a mistake, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but I'm new with this exactly.
Speaker 3: And then it's you have to stand by the window
Speaker 3: as Rick McKenzie, who I'll tell you about later are
Speaker 3: stalinesque caddy master, as he told our golfer right in
Speaker 3: front of us. Now, just so you know, Oliver is
Speaker 3: a trainee caddy, as if like, if I screw up,
Speaker 3: it's not his fault. So you work, you work through
Speaker 3: the round because you know you want to get you
Speaker 3: want to get as much money as you can, so
Speaker 3: you work it really hard. Throughout the round, you kind
Speaker 3: of try to overcome your training status for your golfer.
Speaker 3: And then at the end of the round, what do
Speaker 3: you have to do? Fred? You have to give your
Speaker 3: golfer a report card for them to fill out right
Speaker 3: before you get paid. Uh yeah, it's really really bad.
Speaker 1: God an employee evaluation every four hours, yep, yep.
Speaker 3: And then you have to hand that over to Rick. Now,
Speaker 3: once you do thirty of these assessed rounds, then you
Speaker 3: take a test and it's a written exam. And on
Speaker 3: this written exam you have to name a lot of
Speaker 3: the names of the one hundred and twelve bunkers on
Speaker 3: the course. You have to sketch breaks in a lot
Speaker 3: of the greens. They have like a little diagram you
Speaker 3: have to fill in. Gon do all this. If you
Speaker 3: pass a test, if you get good feedback on your rounds,
Speaker 3: if the shadow catting went fine, if all of this
Speaker 3: was successful, then Rick might take you on maybe.
Speaker 1: And this is not easy for a kid who's probably
Speaker 1: really good at tests, and you're like, this is more
Speaker 1: pressure than you had before.
Speaker 3: Totally totally. So you know, in retrospect, I showed up.
Speaker 3: I was eighteen at this point. I was eighteen American,
Speaker 3: a trainee caddy, a student. I had nothing going for me.
Speaker 3: I was like the lowest of the low.
Speaker 1: But you're thinking, I'm good. You know, I've got a
Speaker 1: good score, I know the game. I've been playing most
Speaker 1: of my life.
Speaker 3: Totally. At the time, I thought, Oh, they're gonna love me.
Speaker 3: This is great. You know, I'm a good golfer. I'm
Speaker 3: going to waltz in here and I'm gonna win over
Speaker 3: the shack. This is great. So I remember my first
Speaker 3: round as a shadow caddy. This is really I'm never
Speaker 3: going to forget this round. Had a guy named Kenny
Speaker 3: who I was shadowing, a veteran caddy. He had such
Speaker 3: a strong Scottish accent and I think other Scottish caddies
Speaker 3: couldn't understand what the hell he was saying. And Kenny's
Speaker 3: got three American women in his group and they're all
Speaker 3: from New York City and they realize I'm from New
Speaker 3: York and I don't know. I guess I think that's
Speaker 3: like really cute or whatever. So they're chatting to me
Speaker 3: before the round by the first team, and Kenny's looking
Speaker 3: on seems to be smiling, and I'm thinking myself, you
Speaker 3: know what this is.
Speaker 1: This is good.
Speaker 3: My Caddy career is off to a good start. Here.
Speaker 3: Walking to the first t, Kenny grabs me aside and
Speaker 3: he shoves me up right in front of his face
Speaker 3: and he points to his mouth and he goes, you
Speaker 3: see this, and I go yeah, and he goes shut
Speaker 3: it ouch. Oh one a day one of my Caddy career,
Speaker 3: Nikes and Fred. This was pretty much the way it
Speaker 3: went for the first month. Every single day I was
Speaker 3: like in danger And.
Speaker 1: At what point are you going, I've got a book here?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, well, that's that's later down the road.
Speaker 3: At this point, I'm thinking, why the hell did I
Speaker 3: sign up for this? Like, I don't need the I
Speaker 3: could sorry.
Speaker 1: For the heyes, no, that's all right, we'll blieve that.
Speaker 3: Sorry with that. I don't need this. Uh hassle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could be.
Speaker 3: I could be back in America with my friends. I
Speaker 3: could be Uh you know, I'm starting Harvard in the fall,
Speaker 3: Like this is what I've been waiting for. What am
Speaker 3: I doing taking this from all the caddies. So the
Speaker 3: first month you really are thrown to the wolves. As
Speaker 3: a trainee caddy. There are so many things read they
Speaker 3: don't tell you about caddying. They're these unwritten rules and
Speaker 3: I knew none of them. And some of them are like,
Speaker 3: don't don't correct your caddy. You have another caddy in
Speaker 3: your group in front of the other players. Just don't
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I got it. Yeah, and you should carry
Speaker 1: it along with girls too, don't.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of good life lessons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly. Pretend that caddies are your girlfriend never Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: No, the caddy bib doesn't make you look fat.
Speaker 1: How's my butt?
Speaker 3: So yeah, all of like, I just I couldn't do
Speaker 3: anything right for the first month. No, and you know
Speaker 3: I was, I was eighteen. I was very talkative, and
Speaker 3: I was you know, I was showing new Yorker. What
Speaker 3: do you mean very of course I'm a New Yorker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how you know that?
Speaker 3: It was it was just every day I was getting
Speaker 3: screamed at, threaded, and it was.
Speaker 1: It was bad.
Speaker 3: And here's well, here's the deal in the in the
Speaker 3: caddy shack. There's a real hierarchy at the very top.
Speaker 3: You've got your like old old kind of veteran guys,
Speaker 3: who've been there forever, the kind of grandfather's of the shack,
Speaker 3: and what kind of age.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about, these old old veteran.
Speaker 3: Guys seventy oh no, oh yeah, we got a seventy
Speaker 3: six year old caddy.
Speaker 1: Right now and he's carrying two bags simultaneously through it.
Speaker 3: No. Well, here's the thing. You can't You actually not
Speaker 3: allowed to ever do doubles on your on two show. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you always do one.
Speaker 1: Bag around, so you can have four caddies going out
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's crazy. It's always four caddies and four golfers
Speaker 3: plus some of the golfers wives or whatnot. It's huge groups.
Speaker 3: It's about ten or twelve people usually, and they bring
Speaker 3: your own with you for sure. I was once with
Speaker 3: a Chinese group that had translators for each golfer, assistance
Speaker 3: for each golfer, and then a few like tour people,
Speaker 3: so there was about twenty of us in the group.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I got to on a group like that.
Speaker 1: How are your tips?
Speaker 3: I mean, at that point the tip is irrelevant. You're
Speaker 3: just worried about the other translators not being hit by
Speaker 3: other golf balls. So so, yeah, so you got you've
Speaker 3: got your really old guys who they're seventy fred but
Speaker 3: they look like ninety five. A lot of years of
Speaker 3: smoking and drinking guinness and standing against the North Sea.
Speaker 3: It doesn't do a lot for your your skin tone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking they're probably weather beaten you.
Speaker 3: And what's amazing is I go back and so guys
Speaker 3: that I, you know, had maybe haven't seen in a
Speaker 3: whole year, they've ate so much when I get back.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the younger guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even the guys who were thirty or forty, and
Speaker 3: you're just you're out there in the sun and the
Speaker 3: elements every single day. But we say that there's no
Speaker 3: better place to be ever on a really nice day
Speaker 3: when you're out on the course, and there's no worse
Speaker 3: place to be when it's a monsoon coming down and
Speaker 3: we have to show up. So anyway, So at the
Speaker 3: very topic the old guys, then you've got your forty
Speaker 3: to fifty year old veterans who are really kind of
Speaker 3: the serious professional caddies. These guys loop on tour a lot,
Speaker 3: They've done tons of British opens, they've done tons of
Speaker 3: women's open events. They're good, they know their stuff. I'd
Speaker 3: say a notch below that you have your university kids
Speaker 3: who have done a couple of years already, who kind
Speaker 3: of they've achieved their decent level of cockiness already. And
Speaker 3: then at the bottom you've got your trainees and we're
Speaker 3: just the scum of the earth. It's bad. Other caddies
Speaker 3: won't even talk to you when you're training. Sometimes you
Speaker 3: can be the nicest guy ever. You can be a
Speaker 3: really good golfer. You can be you don't even have
Speaker 3: to be young, you can be fifty years old. But
Speaker 3: if you're trainy, it's like again, the scarlet letter is
Speaker 3: on your is on your chest. And so my big
Speaker 3: thing was, I gotta get I gotta get rid of
Speaker 3: the trainy caddy thing, like I hate this, like I
Speaker 3: need to I need to get promoted here. So I
Speaker 3: went into caddy overdrive and I did as many rounds
Speaker 3: as I could. And one way to get respect in
Speaker 3: the shack is to do a lot of rounds. If
Speaker 3: you do two rounds in a day, it's called a double.
Speaker 3: You do you do a double. If you do a
Speaker 3: quick double with no pause in between, it's called a
Speaker 3: turn and burn h You come in, you go straight
Speaker 3: out again. Our caddy master Rick mackenzie was famous for
Speaker 3: being right on the eighteenth green, perched there and as
Speaker 3: soon as we got there he would point at us
Speaker 3: and then scowl and then point right to the first
Speaker 3: t There was no way you were going to say
Speaker 3: no to that. You were going straight out again.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And unfortunately this always happens when it's like
Speaker 3: the worst weather, when other caddies do slink away. You
Speaker 3: are doing a double for sure, Fred, you can also
Speaker 3: do a treble three rounds in a day. This is
Speaker 3: a mistake.
Speaker 1: It's got to be exhaust and what time are you
Speaker 1: starting in the morning, and when are you work until?
Speaker 3: Oh god, you're starting whenever. It's first come, first serve.
Speaker 3: This this actually this policy changed a few years ago,
Speaker 3: but certainly when I was doing my first four years
Speaker 3: of caddying, it's first come, first serve. You would show
Speaker 3: up as early as you could, and back in the day,
Speaker 3: caddies would go straight from the pubs when they shut
Speaker 3: at two in the morning, right down to the shack
Speaker 3: and sleep on the benches. Yeah. This still sort of
Speaker 3: happens a little bit. One time I showed up at
Speaker 3: three forty five in the morning and I was number seven,
Speaker 3: I was like, what do.
Speaker 1: I have to do to win? Yeah, it's trying to
Speaker 1: like get around at Tory Pines down in San Diego
Speaker 1: or like.
Speaker 3: Beth Page exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's funny because golfers are doing the same thing.
Speaker 3: Golfers are lining up at maybe five and they're complaining
Speaker 3: about that, and then at that point I've already been
Speaker 3: there for like an hour and a half.
Speaker 1: Right now, can you get an advanced tea time at St? Andrew?
Speaker 1: I've never played there and I yeah, I've never played there,
Speaker 1: so can you? Can you book an advance or does
Speaker 1: it first come for a serve on that too?
Speaker 3: It's interesting the uh there's one day. I think it's
Speaker 3: I think it already happened. I think it might even
Speaker 3: be the first day of the year, just January first,
Speaker 3: the ballot opens up and people will instantly jump on
Speaker 3: the website or call in and reserve a year in advance.
Speaker 1: You can do that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, wow, there's a couple of things that people
Speaker 3: don't really know you can do. But that's if you
Speaker 3: want to play in a four ball with three of
Speaker 3: your buddies, you're going to probably have to do that.
Speaker 3: That's your first kind of port of call, let's do
Speaker 3: a year in advance. After that, there's a bunch of
Speaker 3: other ways to get on. You can do this thing
Speaker 3: called the Old Course Experience, which is a tour company.
Speaker 3: It's very expensive, but the big big thing that kind
Speaker 3: of the feather in their hat is you get a
Speaker 3: guaranteed round on the Old Course. You can also ballot,
Speaker 3: which is showing up maybe the week you're playing and
Speaker 3: entering in the ballot two days before. I think it's
Speaker 3: like maybe a fifty percent chance you'll get on, or
Speaker 3: thirty percent chance. And then the other way to do
Speaker 3: it is to show up morning of and wake up
Speaker 3: as early as you possibly can and then get on
Speaker 3: as a casual. There's so many ways to get on.
Speaker 1: So knowing you doesn't help me.
Speaker 3: It actually does help a little bit because I get points. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so we can talk about this after the show. I
Speaker 3: do need a new set of titleist irons. I can
Speaker 3: give you my fitting size.
Speaker 1: You're tugging to the wrong man. So yeah.
Speaker 3: So the golfers you're catting for a lot of them
Speaker 3: are they're so happy to be on the course because
Speaker 3: a lot of them either showed up, you know, and
Speaker 3: waited seven hours to get on, or they came over
Speaker 3: and they've been balloting every day and they got on
Speaker 3: like on their final day. So a lot of guys
Speaker 3: are really really just in little kids in a candy
Speaker 3: store when they're out in the course.
Speaker 1: So you did this the first summer after your gap
Speaker 1: year where you went to university there? Yea? And then
Speaker 1: you had to go back to Harvard would and you
Speaker 1: started your Harvard career or did you stay?
Speaker 3: Well, here's what happened. I mean, throughout the summer, I
Speaker 3: was working so hard and I was kind of picking
Speaker 3: up all the tips of what you got to do,
Speaker 3: which is basically be quiet when you're a trainee. At
Speaker 3: midway through the summer, there was this great moment where
Speaker 3: Rick McKenzie, our caddy master, called me to the window
Speaker 3: and I had no idea what was going on. I
Speaker 3: thought I was in trouble because I often was with him,
Speaker 3: and without saying anything, he pulled me up to him
Speaker 3: and again I thought I was about to maybe get
Speaker 3: into a fight or something, and he removed to my
Speaker 3: training badge and put in an official old course caddy badge.
Speaker 1: Oh did you call your mom?
Speaker 3: I was so happy that was one of the proudest
Speaker 3: moments of my eighteen years of life. I can tell you.
Speaker 3: I was so pumped and all of the trainees were
Speaker 3: right around me, the other trainees by the bench, and
Speaker 3: they were all like clapping me on the back. My
Speaker 3: best friends were there and they were all giving me
Speaker 3: high fives, and I was like, you know what, this
Speaker 3: is pretty cool. I did this myself, like no one
Speaker 3: else pulled any strings, nothing happened. I had to do
Speaker 3: this completely on my own, and it felt good. It
Speaker 3: felt really good. And as soon as here's the embarrassing thing.
Speaker 3: As soon as I became an official caddy, Fred, I
Speaker 3: started being in the shack and just saying, Oh, these
Speaker 3: training caddies, they're so annoying. There are so there are
Speaker 3: way too many training caddies. It's just the worst. I
Speaker 3: completely this cycle just completely turned as well. And the thing,
Speaker 3: by the way, actually came completely full circle this past summer,
Speaker 3: or my seventh season.
Speaker 1: Oh so you kept going back every year.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we'll get to that. But this past summer, Fred,
Speaker 3: the caddy master of the New Guy Robert Thorpe called
Speaker 3: me to the window and said, hey, Oliver, can you
Speaker 3: take a shadow caddy today, can you have someone follow
Speaker 3: you around? And said, okay, and show him how to
Speaker 3: do it. And I looked to my left and there
Speaker 3: was a seventeen year old Scottish kid who couldn't have
Speaker 3: reminded me any more of myself.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, sure, I'll abuse him.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, exactly, I'll treat him my crap. So by
Speaker 3: the end of the first summer, I'd finally want a
Speaker 3: little respect, I mean, and by winning respect, I mean
Speaker 3: I was getting screamed out a little bit less. I
Speaker 3: knew I loved it. I knew I'd stumbled upon this
Speaker 3: kind of amazing world that I was, you know, I
Speaker 3: was the only American kid there, and I was really
Speaker 3: falling in love with it. And then as soon as
Speaker 3: that happened, it was time to head back and start
Speaker 3: it and start at Harvard. And I have to say
Speaker 3: I had really mixed feelings when I got back, because
Speaker 3: this is something that I've worked I'd worked so hard
Speaker 3: in high school to try to get into Harvard and
Speaker 3: this and this was something that I you know, it
Speaker 3: was the motivating thing for me so many Saturday nights
Speaker 3: where I would you know, study that extra couple hours
Speaker 3: of like whatever APUs history or something. I waited so
Speaker 3: long to get there, and as soon as I got
Speaker 3: to Harvard, the first thing I said was, I want
Speaker 3: to go back to St. Andrews now, Because suddenly every
Speaker 3: kid was eighteen or seventeen. Every kid was talking about
Speaker 3: their SAT scores from the year before. It was very
Speaker 3: cold in Boston, very quickly, and I missed all of
Speaker 3: my friends, and I missed all the Caddies. And so
Speaker 3: that first year actually went back twice to Scotlange.
Speaker 1: Gotta go see Uncle Ken. I know, I know.
Speaker 3: I went back in December, and I went back in
Speaker 3: my spring break was spring break St Andrew's.
Speaker 1: How cool?
Speaker 3: Is that exactly? Not exactly Miami.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, it.
Speaker 3: Wasn't even it wasn't even a doubt that I was
Speaker 3: going back the next year. Like I was. I was
Speaker 3: going back to Caddie for sure that summer. And when
Speaker 3: I got back, it was it just felt like I'd
Speaker 3: come back home. When I first got back in June
Speaker 3: that second summer. Now, there's a thing that's kind of
Speaker 3: cool about the Old Course. Lots of things are cool,
Speaker 3: but the one thing that I love is that the
Speaker 3: Old Course goes straight out and straight back. And what
Speaker 3: this means is the front nine, you're basically playing straight
Speaker 3: away in the same direction, and you play out to
Speaker 3: what's called the eden Estuary, which is the bottle of
Speaker 3: the body of water. You hit it on about the
Speaker 3: eleventh hole, and then you turn around and you go
Speaker 3: straight back in on yourself, so you come back in
Speaker 3: on your left. Now, this means that you always have
Speaker 3: a fairway to your left, and almost every fairway is
Speaker 3: a double fairway, and almost every green except for four
Speaker 3: greens on the old course, are all double greens. Big
Speaker 3: shared greens. Yeah, no one really, no one knows this
Speaker 3: until you get there. Except for four greens, every single
Speaker 3: one is shared. The fifth green, by the way, the
Speaker 3: shared fifth and thirteenth is from front to back one
Speaker 3: hundred yards. Oh my, oh yeah, an acre and a half.
Speaker 1: Wait, but you have to putt.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. Now, you can hit seventeen greens on the
Speaker 3: old course, or eighteen greens on the old course in regulation,
Speaker 3: and it will mean absolutely nothing because you'll have like
Speaker 3: seventeen three putts. But oh yeah, you got a putt.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've had people take their three woods out
Speaker 3: and do like almost a half swing just to reach it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, amazing.
Speaker 3: So, and don't forget like you could have an you
Speaker 3: have an eighty yard putt. That's a two hundred and
Speaker 3: forty foot putt. That's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So.
Speaker 3: But the really amazing thing about all the shared greens
Speaker 3: and all the shared fairways when you're caddying is on
Speaker 3: every single hole you pass your fellow caddies. You pass
Speaker 3: them in the fairways, and you pass them on the greens,
Speaker 3: and you always say what's up to each other, and
Speaker 3: you know, you do your hot you do whatever, you
Speaker 3: do your high five, you do little caddy dance whatever.
Speaker 3: But for me, when I got back that first day
Speaker 3: that I was catting again the second summer, I'm never
Speaker 3: going to forget it. That entire first trip round the
Speaker 3: old course, on every fairway and every green, I saw
Speaker 3: all of the other caddies and they all kind of
Speaker 3: like rubbed their eyes and looked at me as if
Speaker 3: like they didn't believe I was back, And then all
Speaker 3: of them waved and smiled.
Speaker 1: Oh great, how cool is that? It was awesome.
Speaker 3: That's the coolest welcoming ceremony I could ever hope to have.
Speaker 3: Sure all the time, and you know, what this was
Speaker 3: a tradition that sort of just it repeated every single
Speaker 3: summer that last the last round I did every summer
Speaker 3: before I went back, everyone knew I was about to leave,
Speaker 3: you know, they knew my flight was the next day.
Speaker 3: And it was like saying goodbye and then hello to
Speaker 3: you know, to all my friends. It was pretty great.
Speaker 1: Amazing, yeah, amazing. So I are you done with this?
Speaker 1: Are you not going back anymore?
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. Every summer I always say, this is
Speaker 3: my last summer.
Speaker 1: And you worked last summer. Oh yeah, Oh man, so
Speaker 1: you don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I'm you know, I'm I know
Speaker 3: for sure, I'm going back in June. I'm going to
Speaker 3: be back in St. Andrews the entire month of June.
Speaker 3: And what what I did the last couple of years
Speaker 3: was I would be caddying in the you know, in
Speaker 3: the morning. Maybe i'd start cattying at eight or nine
Speaker 3: in the morning, and I'd wake up at like five
Speaker 3: in the morning, and I'd go write the book and
Speaker 3: then i'd go caddy and then after I did a round,
Speaker 3: i'd go back to the University of St. Andrew's library
Speaker 3: and I'd keep writing and for me, I got to say, like,
Speaker 3: I don't think I could have written the book from
Speaker 3: New York City, like staring out into like a building
Speaker 3: in Manhattan. This was this was something that I really
Speaker 3: had to be in St. Andrews to do and sort
Speaker 3: of like look out my window onto the golf course.
Speaker 1: What gave you the idea that you needed to write
Speaker 1: a book?
Speaker 3: Well, I'd written the second summer. I wrote a couple articles.
Speaker 3: I wrote one for Sports Illustrated about really about that
Speaker 3: first summer of caddying, and I wrote one in Golf
Speaker 3: World and they both came out the same week. They
Speaker 3: came out the week the British Open was there five
Speaker 3: and I remember being just terrified when they came out.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm about to get fired. Oh sure,
Speaker 3: I'm about to get attacked with pointed sticks, like this
Speaker 3: could be bad. And it came out and I like
Speaker 3: went down to the shack that first, and you know,
Speaker 3: my caddy master Rick Mackenzie hated it, like I got
Speaker 3: screamed at by him. But the other caddies and the
Speaker 3: ones that I really you know that I was worried about,
Speaker 3: they looked at me and they're like horror of fits
Speaker 3: that was hilarious. That was great, great, and so I
Speaker 3: guess that was sort of like in the back of
Speaker 3: my mind, I was like, that's cool, that's cool that
Speaker 3: they're letting me share the story and they're not and
Speaker 3: they're not angry about it. I mean, this is the
Speaker 3: shack is The shack is very insular. This is a
Speaker 3: place that if you just wandered down and tried to
Speaker 3: talk with some of the caddies, strike up a conversation
Speaker 3: like it might not happen. They're pretty closed off. And
Speaker 3: I think for me to have gotten into their world
Speaker 3: and to sort of become accepted, the main thing was,
Speaker 3: I think the golf that I played golf and they
Speaker 3: knew I was a golfer. That actually won me some
Speaker 3: currency there in the shack. And the other thing was
Speaker 3: that I had going for me was Uncle Ken. They
Speaker 3: knew him. Oh yeah, now, Uncle Ken was He came
Speaker 3: there originally to the station there in the Royal Air
Speaker 3: Force during World War Two and he married a girl there.
Speaker 3: He met a girl, never left, settled down, married her,
Speaker 3: she passed away. A few years later he married another girl,
Speaker 3: or I guess at that point she might have been fifty,
Speaker 3: so she was woman, and he outlived her as well,
Speaker 3: and so he lived in this huge Victorian mansion by
Speaker 3: himself in the middle of town on Hope Street. Interestingly,
Speaker 3: this is right across the street from Prince William. So
Speaker 3: every single day they go out of their houses look
Speaker 3: at each other and go, hey, what's up?
Speaker 1: Was Ken's going, Hey, what's up to? A prince?
Speaker 3: Literally there go there walking across the street and like
Speaker 3: doing the head nod. It's it was so funny to
Speaker 3: see dude, dude looking good. William looking good, wille with
Speaker 3: U Willey, keep the hair. In ten years time, William,
Speaker 3: your brother is going to address as a Nazi for Halloween.
Speaker 3: That's a really bad idea. Don't let him do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, This actually happened. So Uncle Ken was in
Speaker 3: later life, he was a town counselor in St Andrews
Speaker 3: during the sixties and the seventies, and this meant that
Speaker 3: he knew every single person over the age of like
Speaker 3: eighty two years old. Uncle Ken was the president of
Speaker 3: the Gardener's Club, the president of the Caravan Club, and
Speaker 3: could tell you every single thing about St Andrews. So
Speaker 3: he was really a funny old fixture in the town,
Speaker 3: and everyone loved him, and he had he had this
Speaker 3: giggle that was kind of like a and every single
Speaker 3: person in the town knows the giggle and remembers it
Speaker 3: and makes him smile.
Speaker 1: Oh so the caddies knew.
Speaker 3: That I was Uncle Ken's great nephew. I think that helped.
Speaker 1: That had to help. So listen, I don't want you
Speaker 1: to tell the entire book. I would like people to
Speaker 1: get it because this has been so entertaining. You can
Speaker 1: imagine how good the book is. But the subtitle of
Speaker 1: the book is growing Up Girls and Looping on the
Speaker 1: Old Course. All right, we've covered two out of three briefly,
Speaker 1: Why girls and what do you got?
Speaker 3: Okay, So second season I gets back. I discovered something
Speaker 3: pretty cool at this point, the coolest thing I'd ever
Speaker 3: heard of in my life. There's a rival business that
Speaker 3: has started up in St Andrews that is in its infancy.
Speaker 3: Get when I get there in the second year. It's
Speaker 3: called model caddying. What it is is two university girls
Speaker 3: have started a caddy business in which they're about twenty
Speaker 3: five university girls, university students, all of them with modeling experience,
Speaker 3: who are going to be caddying in Scotland.
Speaker 1: And all of them are golfers too.
Speaker 3: None of them are golfers.
Speaker 1: Ah, so they're not from the St Andrew's University.
Speaker 3: They are all from Saint Andrew's. But they I guess
Speaker 3: none of them even had been on a golf course before.
Speaker 3: They were like the twenty five exceptions, okay, sure, and
Speaker 3: if they knew golf, none of them had ever ever
Speaker 3: caddied before, so at this point they had no way
Speaker 3: to They needed someone to train them, and they needed
Speaker 3: someone to advise him and everything. And I got introduced
Speaker 3: to them, like my first night back in Saint Andrew's
Speaker 3: and I'm talking to these three girls who are about
Speaker 3: twenty five thousand leagues above me, like I would never
Speaker 3: be able to talk to these girls otherwise. And it
Speaker 3: comes up that I'm a caddie. I can introduce them
Speaker 3: as a caddy. And this girl Julia, just who's the
Speaker 3: I guess, sort of the setting the whole thing up goes,
Speaker 3: oh my god, that's so cool that you're a caddy.
Speaker 3: And never in my life have I been told that
Speaker 3: caddying is cool. So I did fred what I think
Speaker 3: any nineteen year old caddie would do in that situation.
Speaker 3: I became their secret trainer.
Speaker 1: Now very good.
Speaker 3: Now, this was I think a good move on my part.
Speaker 3: But it was a dangerous move because the old course
Speaker 3: caddies hated the model caddies.
Speaker 1: Oh I bet they were not thrilled about this idea
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 3: Hated them, uh so jealous, so threatened by them. And
Speaker 3: the whole town is so traditional and insular that the
Speaker 3: town hated them as well. So this caused a huge controversy.
Speaker 3: So every time I was walking down the street, I
Speaker 3: was in the shack, I was in the supermarket, I
Speaker 3: was hearing just put downs of the model caddies, and
Speaker 3: I was hearing, you know, just like insults every day,
Speaker 3: and I had to play along with it. When I
Speaker 3: was in the shack, I had to be like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: oh god, that's so stupid. They think they can caddy.
Speaker 3: But every night I was going onto the Jubilee Course,
Speaker 3: which is like a course right next to the Old
Speaker 3: at night, and I was training model.
Speaker 1: Caddies and riding home.
Speaker 3: Tell your friends if the first summer was the best summer?
Speaker 1: Got pictures of that in the book.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, we do have a picture. We do
Speaker 3: have a picture.
Speaker 1: Wait minute, Well, wait, what page is that on? I
Speaker 1: want to see these model caddies. Where are they?
Speaker 3: They're in the middle of the book, open too.
Speaker 1: Okay, And there's a young training caddies sunburn in the ship.
Speaker 1: Rick McKenzie, a good old Rick. Yeah. Okay, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not seeing anymore.
Speaker 3: Okay, keep you on. One more page, two more pages.
Speaker 1: Two more pages. There's people sleeping on the fairway. There's
Speaker 1: hello oh yeah, oh hello. Yeah. All right, so listen,
Speaker 1: you got to get the book for yourself, folks, because
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not sharing this copy. Oh they are
Speaker 1: beautiful girls. Oh yeah, and they're and clearly they're models.
Speaker 1: I mean they are styling here, they're striking a pose.
Speaker 3: They are doing blue steel.
Speaker 1: Oh that's great, that is hilarious.
Speaker 3: And this became this became a huge, a huge thing,
Speaker 3: huge part of my summer and became increasingly dangerous every
Speaker 3: single day for me to be involved in this. And
Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell you how it uh, how
Speaker 3: it played out, but it did become a little too
Speaker 3: dramatic for what I wanted that summer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it always does, it always does. Hope, will you
Speaker 1: have some sort of memory and you can not get
Speaker 1: yourself in much more trouble than you did at that time.
Speaker 3: And we want to know something, Fred I think. I
Speaker 3: think to this day most of the caddies did not
Speaker 3: know that I was the trainer. They knew there was
Speaker 3: an anonymous trainer. This will be one of the things
Speaker 3: that I think a lot of people are going to
Speaker 3: find out in the book.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's great. So then you you may not
Speaker 1: want to go back next summer.
Speaker 3: Might bring a bodyguard when I go back. Yeah no, no,
Speaker 3: I can't wait to get back.
Speaker 1: Oh that's great. Well again, the book is called an
Speaker 1: American Caddy in Saint Andrew's Growing Up, Girls and Looping
Speaker 1: on the Old Course by our guess, Oliver Horowitz, a
Speaker 1: young ambitious man who, uh, you know, when you're done
Speaker 1: caddying and you're not going to have a professional golf career,
Speaker 1: what are you going to do? Man, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe some exotic dancing.
Speaker 1: Okay, well you can call the models back and they'll
Speaker 1: train you. What do you think, good idea?
Speaker 3: Huh, I love it. We should go on, we should
Speaker 3: go on tour together. That's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, there you go. And speaking of
Speaker 1: tours here in the United States, you were alluding to something,
Speaker 1: Can you share it with us?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? It be my pleasure. So this summer I'm doing
Speaker 3: a tour of different golf clubs around the country, going
Speaker 3: to tons of different golf clubs, and we're doing an
Speaker 3: evening I'm calling a Taste of Scotland. So it's basically
Speaker 3: an hour of my best catty stories, tell you what
Speaker 3: about my experiences growing up amongst all the old Scottish guys,
Speaker 3: and more importantly, I'm giving everyone insider advice for planning
Speaker 3: a golf trip to Scotland, So like, where you should stay,
Speaker 3: where you should play, kind of all the cool stuff
Speaker 3: I've picked up, and we're combining it with a Scotch
Speaker 3: tasting ah to give it a real authentic Scottish feel.
Speaker 1: Awesome, Yeah, awesome. And where are you doing these talks.
Speaker 3: We're going to be on the West coast near San Francisco.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be all over the Northeast. We're looking
Speaker 3: at some places in the Midwest as well, in Tennessee.
Speaker 3: So basically, if you're if you want me to come
Speaker 3: to your golf club, get in contact and we might
Speaker 3: be able to make it happen.
Speaker 1: Perfect Well, there's a couple of ways. You can go
Speaker 1: ahead and click on the Heyfred button at golfsmarter dot com.
Speaker 1: If you want to send me an email, I can
Speaker 1: forward it off to Oliver and check out his book please.
Speaker 1: And you may want to have him at your golf course.
Speaker 1: He'd be happy to come out there and tell you
Speaker 1: more stories. The book is available on the golfers maart
Speaker 1: at golfsmarter dot com and our Amazon section our book section,
Speaker 1: so if you want to pick up the book please,
Speaker 1: you can get the kindle version or the hard copy version. Oliver,
Speaker 1: I wish you the best of luck and everything that
Speaker 1: you do. Man. This is a great start for you
Speaker 1: and a very entertaining book. I highly recommend it. Thanks
Speaker 1: so much for spending this time with us.
Speaker 3: My pleasure, Fred, And if you ever need a caddy,
Speaker 3: you know where to You know where to turn.