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Speaker 1: And we're live bird. How you doing man?

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Pete?

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Speaker 1: How are you good? We had talked about getting together

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and doing an episode on somebody besides Ted here, but

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maybe we'll put that off into the future. That was

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a fun one. Do you remember we talked about.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do. Yeah, I think I'm I'm getting ready

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to do like this whole series on the subject. So

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I think an episode with you would be great on that.

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But yeah, we go wait on that, We wait on here,

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go back to Ted. Can I ask you a question?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: What what's the fascination with Ted? Matt's That's the wrong

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way to ask that question. Makes it sound like you

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have a fascination with him? What is the emphasis on

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Ted for you?

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Speaker 1: Well, put it this way a lot most of the way,

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most of what people know about Ted is Rush Limbaugh

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getting on the radio and reading from Ted's manifesto and

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then reading from al Gore's manifesto and going can you

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tell the difference?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: Was that a good thing or a bad thing?

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Speaker 1: At the well, it was it was a bad thing

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because all he was. All they concentrate on is his environmentalism.

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They don't concentrate on the fact that this guy lays out.

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He's a psychologist, sociologist. I mean, his his breakdown of

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why people are unfulfilled and why they're unhappy, and exactly

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what the what the industrial revolution which he blames on

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the Industrial Revolution may have done to people by by

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depriving them of the power process and things like that

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is I mean, put it this way. After if you

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understand his power process and you understand what he talks

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about with surrogate activity, once you really understand that, you

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kind of have to apply it and look at it

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in your own life. And when you start looking at

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it in your own life, You're like, holy shit, this

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guy's right. And I've never heard any you know, I've

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never read anyone, heard anyone talk about it talk about

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it the way he did, especially as he applies it

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to the left. But I think it applies to everyone.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, because I I'm not as well read on

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on TED as you are probably a lot of the listeners.

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But I read what we're about to read today, and

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I think that it actually does provide some areas for

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you to be able to go off of Ted and

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into other theorists who thought about the same kinds of things.

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As he did, at least in this the particular purpose

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of this essay that he wrote here, which I think

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was written in the two thousands.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, drown two thousand and five.

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Speaker 2: He's doing a lot, and it's in prison. He's kind

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of he writes a lot of stuff. I wonder how

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much like access to like the television he has or

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do you know any of this?

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you would think that he wouldn't

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want any because of who he is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you would think that. But hes so on this part,

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the diagnosis is pretty good at least, like I agree

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with you, is what I'm saying. I think he nails

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a framework for the system his favorite little phrase that

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is reasonable. But I think and he even admits this

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at the first part. We'll get into it more. That's

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he's purposeful about not positively saying what the system is.

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He admits it, which is cool. I think there are

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other theorists who we could probably at the end of

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this talk about who are perfectly willing to say what

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the system is and define the system along economic boundaries

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and a boundaries that Ted just doesn't touch for whatever reason.

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I wish we could have him for an interview, so

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we could ask, you know, why do you choose the

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language you choose, because it's I wouldn't call it evasive,

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but he constantly uses the term the system, and he

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even says, as you'll notice, I'm not positively defining what

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system is, so it's it's I don't know, we'll get

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into it as we talk about it, because Pete, I'm

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definitely wondering what you think could be fit into that,

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you know, that shaped whole, what shape you think the

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system is, because I think the people who Ted pulls

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from Marxist are perfectly willing to be like, oh, it's

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industrial capitalism. And in this particular essay doesn't really come

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up much like as a as a topic. He says

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the system, and again you've read more than him, So

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maybe why he uses the term the system instead of

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Speaker 1: I think he was looking for something to anthropomorphose. I

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think he was trying to turn it. He's trying to

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make it human. There's a couple points in it, I think,

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especially in part three, where it seems like he's really

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struggling to make it into an organic being. That actually

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has that actually has purpose.

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Speaker 2: I thought something similar to that when I was reading it.

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makes it sound like he's writing fiction, like he's writing

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a novel. He's trying to tell a story more than

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that way, then it's you just have to approach it

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with different lenses. It's this is not a hardcore philosophical

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logical document. This is kind of a story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it really is. But as we read,

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people will see that the story is the story comes

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to life and comes to reality. So I will start reading, okay,

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and you are you?

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Speaker 2: Are you going to take the reading and I'll take

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the commentary. Are we reversing what we used to do?

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Speaker 1: Yep, I'm going to really, and you're gonna.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna sit back, I'm gonna do I'm gonna do

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what you do. I'm gonna chill, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Gonna and you're gonna stop me when you want.

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Speaker 2: To Okay, okay, and hey, you stop when you want

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Speaker 1: Too, Okay, I will oh, I will believe me oh yeah, okay,

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all right. He starts with a Jacques little quote, The

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supreme luxury of the Society of technical necessity will be

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to grant the bonus of useless revolt and acquiescent smile.

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Liewell is just I mean, I have so much a

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little here, and it's just you pick it up, you

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read two pages, and you're like, all right now, I

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got to stop and think about this for a week.

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Speaker 2: Yes, one of those guys, Yes, yes, one of those

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all right, a guy who've notoriously had said Ted has

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taken a lot from I think people should go back

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and read him, because you can be like your own Ted.

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Speaker 1: Because don't take that the wrong way.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: The system has played a trick on today's would be

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revolutionaries and rebels. The trick is so cute that if

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it had not consciously planned, one, if it had not

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been consciously planned, one would have to admire it's almost mathematical,

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mathematical elegance. Starts off with a very rough Bardian way here,

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what the system is not? Let's begin by making clear

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that the system, what the system is not. The system

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is not George W. Bush and his advisors and appointees.

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It is not the cops who maltreat protesters. It is

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not the CEOs of multinational corporations, and it is not

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the Frankensteins in their laboratories who criminally tinker with the

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genes of living things. Hey, mister fauci, how are you doing.

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In fact, all of these people are servants of the system,

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but in themselves they do not constitute the system. In particular,

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the personal and individual values, attitudes, beliefs, and behavior of

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all of these people may be significantly in conflict with

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the needs of the system. To illustrate with an example,

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the system requires respect for property rights, yet CEOs, cops, scientists,

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and politicians sometimes steal.

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Speaker 2: And speak, I just want to met just the system

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requires respect for property rights. Just again, I want to

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build a case later on. Everybody, just remember that line.

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That's very important. But he kind of just slips it in.

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There's other people who say exactly the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So yet the system requires respect for property rights,

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yet CEOs, cop scientists and politicians sometimes steal parentheses. In

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speaking of stealing, we don't have to confine ourselves to

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actual lifting of physical objects. We can include all illegal

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means of acquiring properties, such as cheating on income tax,

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accepting bribes, or any other form of graft or corruption.

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steal does not mean that stealing is part of the system.

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he is rebelling against the system's requirement of respect for

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law and property. Yet even when they are stealing, these

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people remain servants of the system as long as they

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publicly maintain their support for law and property.

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Speaker 4: You want to stop kind.

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Speaker 2: Of a cocked opinion there by ted that paying your

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income tax is it's not just illegal. What did he say?

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I didn't like that one kind of a cucked out

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opinion by him cheating on your income tax illegal means

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of acquiring property. I think one thing that is interesting

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that we probably should keep in mind is he is

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talking about a system of tax collection. He's talking about

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a system, he's talking about the political system. But he's

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also talking about non state actors here. So I don't

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know how you picture it in your head. I don't

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really I feel like you could also use the word

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the elites here.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Yeah, yeah, he's just not using

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that word, and I don't think he ever uses that

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word in industrial society and its future as well.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. Yeah, he's a little bit evasive

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on labeling a particular thing that may be on purpose.

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Speaker 1: Whatever illegal acts may be committed by politicians, cops or

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CEOs as individuals, theft as individuals, theft, bribery, and graft

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are not part of the system, but diseases of the system.

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The less stealing there is, the better the system functions.

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And that is why the servants and boosters of the

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system always advocate obedience to the law in public, even

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if they may sometimes find it convenience to break the

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law in private. Take another example, Although the police are

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the system's enforcers, police brutality is not part of the system.

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they are not doing the system's work. They are only

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letting out their anger and their own anger and hostility.

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The system's goal is not brutality or the expression of anger.

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is to compel obedience to its rules, and to do

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so with the least possible amount of disruption, violence, and

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bad publicity. Thus, from the system's point point of view,

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the ideal cop is one who never gets angry, never

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and as far as possible, relies on manipulation rather than

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force to keep people under control. Police brutality is only

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another disease of the system, not part of the system.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think he nailed I think he

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nails it there. I hinting a little bit more towards

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some sort of an engine, right that whatever system he's

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to be smooth rather than chaotic. That's all that I'm

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getting from that. As far as constructing what the system

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Speaker 3: Just laying out an ideal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, different than any libertarian would be laying out

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an ideal for sure. Yeah all right, So what are

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okay for proof? Look at the attitude of the media.

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The mainstream media almost universally condemned police brutality. Of course,

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the attitude of the mainstream media represents, as a rule,

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the consensus of opinion among the powerful classes in our

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society as to what is good for the system. That's

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Speaker 3: It right there.

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Speaker 1: What has just been said about theft, graft and police

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brutality applies also to issues of discrimination and victimization, such

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as racism, sexism, homophobia, poverty, and sweatshops. All of these

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are bad for the system. For example, the more that

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black people feel themselves scorned or excluded, the more likely

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they are to turn to crime, and the less they

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distance transportation and its disruption of traditional ways of life,

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has led to the mixing of population, so that nowadays

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people of different races, nationalities, cultures, and religions have to

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live and work side by side. If people hate or

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reject one another on the basis of ethnicity, religion, sexual preference, etc.

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The resulting conflicts interfere with the functioning of the system.

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Apart from a few old, fossilized relics of the past

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like Jesse Helms, the leaders of the system know this

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very well and that is why we are taught in

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school and through media to believe that racism, sexism, homophobia,

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and so forth are social evils to be eliminated.

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Speaker 2: Right. So again, Ted is taking the stance of opposite

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of those who would suggest that the system operates by

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creating hatred and or discord and division amongst a population.

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work is in the other direction, keeping things smooth, keeping

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as few divisions amongst people as possible.

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Speaker 4: Once again, the ideal.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's interesting because I did an episode

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with Keith Knight recently on Matt Tayubi Taybe's ten Rules

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of Hate, and this runs up against that immediately. If

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the object is to create things that are smooth rather

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than things that are rough, I think that's pretty interesting

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and I would probably fall on Ted's side if we're

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talking about the anonymous system thing that we all have

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a general idea of what he's talking about.

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Speaker 1: Okay, no doubt some of the leaders of the system,

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some of the politicians, scientists and CEOs, privately feel that

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a woman's place is in the home, or that homosexuality

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and interrational marriage are repugnant. But even if the majority

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of them felt that way, it would not mean that racism, sexism,

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and homophobia were part of the system any more than

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the existence of stealing among the leaders means that stealing

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is part of the system. Just as the system must

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promote respect for law and property for the sake of

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its own security, the system must also discourage racism in

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other forms of victimization for the same reason. This is

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why the system, notwithstanding any private deviation by individual members

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of the elite, is basically committed to suppressing discrimination and victimization.

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I would say that that has the system doesn't want that,

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but the system is getting that in spades now when

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sixteen years ago they weren't.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I don't. Yes, yes, I think whatever is

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being built here, which is why I think it's important

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we try and come up with an idea of what

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it looks like. Whatever's being built here changes over time,

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The motivation changes over time. Nowadays, Yeah, that's exactly what

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you do want. You don't want to be encouraging breaking up.

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You need to encourage things to be smooth and stay together. Nationalize.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: For proof, look again at the attitude of the mainstream

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media in spite of occasional timid descent by a few

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of the most daring and reactionary commentators. Media propaganda overwhelmingly

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favors racial and gender equality and acceptance of homosexuality and

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interracial marriage. But we can't argue against that. I mean,

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it was like that in two thousand and five, and

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now it's But what you could argue is now that

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it has reached radical activist levels in the corporate media.

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Speaker 4: For sure.

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Speaker 1: The system needs a population that is a meek, nonviolent, domesticated, docile,

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and obedient. The system needs a population that is meek, nonviolent, domestic, domesticated, docile,

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and obedient. Sorry, it needs to avoid any conflict or

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disruption that could interfere with the orderly functioning of the

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social machine. In addition to suppressing racial, ethnic, religious, and

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other group hostilities, it also has to suppress or harness

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its own advantage for its own advantage, all other tendencies

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that could lead to disruption or disorder, such as machismo,

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aggressive impulses, and any inclination to violence.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an It's a great little blurb right there,

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A thing that I thought was again interesting because of

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the construction, the system needs a certain kind of population

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a docile one in order to avoid disruption in the

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orderly functioning of the social machine. So for Ted, at

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least in this way, whatever the system is, its job

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is to provide security for the social machine, whatever that is.

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I just figured that's important to bring up. Oh, we

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might actually get an opportunity to ask him some questions then, if, if,

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if Ryan Dawson is doing an interview with him.

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Speaker 1: Would be interesting. I hope he gets hope. For sure, Naturally, dational,

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racial and ethnic antagonisms die slowly, Machies's aggressiveness and other

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violent impulses are not easily suppressed, and attitudes towards attitudes

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towards sex and gender identity are not transformed overnight. Therefore,

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there are many individuals who resist these changes, and the

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system is faced with the problem of overcoming their resistance. Now,

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let me ask you a question. When you see, like

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in the last four to five years, this rise in transrites,

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do you is that when you read that last sentence

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right there, or that last paragraph, especially when you see

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it coming from the press, do you think that's what

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he's talking about?

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Speaker 2: Do you think that that's what it could be applied to?

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Probably if it was in two thousand and five when

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this was published. I don't think that's what he's talking about.

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Speaker 1: No, No, I'm talking about Can it be applied that

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way because as an example of what he's talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, No, absolutely, I think that is the case.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right?

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Speaker 1: Part two, How the system exploits the impulse to rebel.

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All of us in modern society are hemmed in by

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a dense network of rules and regulations. We are at

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the mercy of large organizations such as corporations, governments, labor unions, universities, churches,

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and political parties. And consequently, we are powerless as a

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result of the Yeah, as a result of the servitude,

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the powerlessness, and the other indignities that the system inflicts

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on us, there is widespread frustration, which leads to an

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impulse to rebel. And this is where the system plays

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its neatest trick. Through a brilliant sleight of hand, it

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turns rebellion to its own advantage.

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Speaker 2: I want to say, what the whole line about labor unions, churches,

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political parties, universities and so we're powerless? Was it ted

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who when he was talking about the left, was talking

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about their victim complex.

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Speaker 1: Well, the way he describes it is that they look

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for a victim, but they never pick a victim who

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is really victimized. They always pick something that society has

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already decided is bad. So it's like, okay, oh slavery

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is yeah, oh I'm against slavery. It's like, yeah, well

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who Isn't you know? It's like in twenty twenty one,

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who's not right? That's the way he describes it. In

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part I would say in the first thirty sections of

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industrial society in its future, and.

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Speaker 2: And okay, and so then that I just wanted to

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tie in. So there's a widespread frustration that leads to

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an impulse to rebel, and then they turn the rebellion

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into advantage. I guess we will see if he gives

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us any examples on how that plays out. I'm already

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on board, Pete. I'm gonna let you know I'm already

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on board with that, because this is a and this

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is a statement that has been said many times before.

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I think Marks said I think Marx's quote is the

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Second Revolution is always parody. I think that will come

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back up later. I think I've always agreed with that concept.

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I agree with Ted's two Derrida has a concept that

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the minute that a revolution is recognized, it becomes imitated,

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and once you start imitating revolution, it's not revolution anymore.

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There's no spirit behind it. I agree with that offhand.

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I think the easiest way to stop something is to

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create a fifth column inside of it and completely undermine

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it and make it lame, approachable, not rebellious at all.

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Speaker 1: What the original punk rockers said was the first time

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anyone said, hey, let's start a punk rock band, punk

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rock was dead. Yeah, you get that, right, I mean,

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that's actually, that's actually pretty brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right.

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Speaker 1: Many people do not understand the roots of their own frustration.

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Hence their rebellion is directionless. They know that they want

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to rebel, but they don't know what they want to

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rebel against. Luckily, the system is able to fill their

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need by providing them with a list of standard and

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stereotype grievances in the name of wish to rebel Racism, homophobia,

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women's issues, poverty, sweatshops, the whole laundry bag of activist issues.

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Speaker 2: Good anti activists really definitely, Ted is an anti activist,

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and I've always appreciated it. The laundry bag of activist

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issues is great.

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Speaker 1: Well, do you know why he is against all.

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Speaker 4: Of these issues?

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Speaker 2: Not really, no.

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Speaker 1: Because there's only one issue he cares about, this the environment,

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and he considers these all to be a distraction.

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Speaker 2: So it's okay. So he so he doesn't well, and

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he probably thinks that, you know, his way is greater

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than all of these other individual pathways. It's not like

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he thinks they're on par with them. He just has

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one niche I guess, man, I guess.

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Speaker 1: And at the end of Industrial Society and its Future

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he actually goes back to talking about the left, and

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one of the things that he says, which is mind boggling,

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and Aaron and I both just floored, says, when you

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when you put together your revolution, do not include anyone

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from the left, because they're all going to be distracted

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by the issues that he just mentioned in that in that.

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Speaker 2: Paragraph, h did he did he ever say anything about

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the writer or is he has? He only ever made

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a claim against the left.

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Speaker 1: His critic the systems of the right and Industrial Society

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in its future are very very few, but they mostly

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lean towards how the hell do you let the left

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get away.

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Speaker 4: With this kind of thing. Okay, all right, Basically, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, huge numbers of would be rebels take de bait

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in fighting racism, sexism, et cetera, et cetera. They are

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only doing the system's work for it. In spite of this,

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they imagine that they are rebelling against the system. How

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is this possible? First, fifty years ago, the system was

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not yet committed to equality for black people, women, and homosexuals,

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So that action in favor of the so that action

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in favor of these causes really was a form of rebellion. Consequently,

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these causes came to be conveniently regarded as rebel causes.

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They have retained that status today simply as a matter

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of tradition. That is, because each rebel generation imitates to

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preceding generations.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yes, that I think is that is what

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I was trying to have come across. The quote is

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exactly that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Second, there are still significant numbers of people, as I

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pointed out earlier, who resist the social changes that the

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system requires. And some of these people even are authority

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figures such as cops, judges, or politicians. These resistors provide

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a target for the would be rebels. Someone for them

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to rebel against commentators like Rush Limbaugh helped the process

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by ranting against the activists, seeing that they have made

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someone angry, fosters the activist illusions that they are rebelling.

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That's that's a really I mean, like I said, when

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industrial Society in its future, My favorite parts of it

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is when he's basically talking psychology, He's he has a

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window into it that is pretty special. Although I mean

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he's borrowed from other people, but are there are some

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things that are that I think mk Altrade's head specific.

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Speaker 2: There's a way he delivers the content that is unique

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to him. It is distinctly not from the left. It's

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kind of like boomer rights boomer.

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Speaker 4: He's a total boomer.

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Speaker 2: He's a complete boomer. I'm glad you said it because

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I have. I've thought for a long time the guy

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was a boomer. I've said it as a joke, a

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lot boomer hah, funny, But he like really has a

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lot of boomer tendencies. Nothing wrong with that necessarily, but

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his boomer delivery is the most unique thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it's actually powerful. I mean it speaks

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to a gen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's it speaks to a whole group of

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people who this these group of like situationist leftists who

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like a lot of the opinions align with one another,

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who are they're definitely not talking to, like right boo,

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like the same kind of group that Tad is talking to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Third, in order to bring themselves into conflict.

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Even with the majority of the system's leaders who fully

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accept the social changes that the system demands, the would

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be rebels insist on solutions that go farther than what

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the system's leaders consider prudent, and they show exaggerated anger

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over trivial matters. For example, they demand payment of reparations

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to black people, and they often become raged at any

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criticism of a minority group, no matter how cautious and reasonable.

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In this way, the activists are able to maintain the

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illusion that they are rebelling against the system, but the

475
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illusion is absurd. Agitation against racism, sexism, homophobia, and the

476
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like no more constitutes rebellion against the system than does

477
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agitation against political graft and corruption. Those who work against

478
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graft and corruption are not rebelling, but acting as the

479
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systems enforcers. They are helping to keep the politicians obedient

480
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to the rules of the system. Those who work against racism, sexism,

481
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and homophobias similarly are acting as the systems enforcers. They

482
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helped the system to suppress the deviant, racist, sexist, and

483
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homophobic attitudes that caused problems for the system.

484
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Speaker 4: Let me to keep going.

485
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Speaker 2: Yeah, keep going.

486
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Speaker 1: But the activists don't act only as the systems enforcers.

487
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They also serve as a kind of lightning rod that

488
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protects the system by drawing public resentment away from the

489
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system and its institutions. For example, there were several reasons

490
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why it was to the system's advantage to get women

491
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out of the home and into the workplace fifty years ago.

492
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If the system, as represented by the government of the media,

493
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had begun out of the blue a propaganda campaign designed

494
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to make it socially acceptable for women to center their

495
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lives on careers rather than on the home, the natural

496
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human resistance to change would have caused widespread public resentment.

497
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What actually happened was that the changes were spearheaded by

498
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radical feminists, behind whom the system institutions trailed at a

499
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safe distance. Resentment of the more conservative members of society

500
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was directed primarily against the radical feminists rather than against

501
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the systems and its institutions, because the changes sponsored by

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the institution by the system seems slow and moderate in

503
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comparison with the more radical solutions advocated by feminists, and

504
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even these relatively slow changes we're seen as having been

505
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forced on the system by pressure from the radicals.

506
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Speaker 2: Short, sweet to the point, and then he actually, you

507
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might as well read that next portion immediately, because he

508
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starts clumsily starts the paragraph, but it's just a summary

509
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of the last paragraph.

510
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Speaker 1: So Part three is called the systems need a trick. So,

511
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:47,519
in a nutshell, the systems need a trick as this

512
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one for the sake of its own efficiency and security.

513
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The system needs to bring about a deep and needs

514
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to bring about deep and radical social changes to match

515
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the change conditions resulting from technological proper us two. The

516
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,279
frustration of life under the circumstances imposed by the system

517
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leads to rebellious impulses.

518
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Speaker 4: Three.

519
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Speaker 1: Rebellious impulses are co opted by the system and the

520
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service of the social changes. It requires activists rebel against

521
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the old and outmoded values that are no longer of

522
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:20,599
use to the system and in favor of the new

523
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,960
values that the system needs us to accept.

524
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Speaker 3: Four.

525
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Speaker 1: In this way, rebellious impulses, which otherwise might have been

526
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dangerous to the system, are given an outlet that is

527
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:34,599
not only harmless to the system, but useful to it.

528
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:35,039
Speaker 4: Five.

529
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Speaker 1: Much of the public resentment resulting from the imposition of

530
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social changes drawn away from the system and its institutions

531
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and are drawn away from the system and its institutions,

532
00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:50,119
and is directed instead at the radicals who spearheaded the change.

533
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,839
Speaker 2: Right, So this is the system's need is trick his

534
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:03,559
the whole outline here, There was a concept pete from

535
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:06,880
the situationists, I guess like g. De Board for French

536
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:12,559
postmodernists basically came out of the Marxist tradition. They had

537
00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:17,279
an idea that was called recuperation, which and this was

538
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:20,640
probably in the thirties or forties, maybe even the fifties,

539
00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:24,880
and the basic summary was the system takes things that

540
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,880
are at once rebellious, commercializes them and turns them into

541
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acceptable things, robbing them of their value for commercial purposes.

542
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,519
It also happens to take any aspect of rebellion out

543
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of them. This was I think it was Gedboard who

544
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:46,160
came up with the idea itself in Yes, I have

545
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,640
it here, but it's in French. So the word that

546
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,079
he uses is recuperation in French. I'm not going to

547
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,240
do the pronunciation here in English. That means total exploitation

548
00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:01,759
is the direct translation there. So that's this is an

549
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:03,799
idea that Ted is. I'm not trying to take anything

550
00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:06,359
away from Ted. His summary of it is uniquely him.

551
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:07,759
I think it speaks to a lot of people who

552
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:11,759
aren't being spoke to by a bunch of French postmodernists

553
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,160
who people would never think to read. But they're agreeing

554
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,720
with Ted here. Good enough. But this is an idea

555
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:21,000
concept that's come up before. I think it would be

556
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:25,079
good for anybody who's interested in further development of this

557
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,240
concept to go and look at someone like Gie to Board.

558
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Speaker 1: Let me go off topic for a second, since you

559
00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:37,319
brought up postmodernism a couple of times. My friend LB Muniz,

560
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who was on the show the other day and we

561
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,920
were talking about he wrote an article.

562
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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you.

563
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Speaker 1: He wrote an article called the post Libertarian Moment, and

564
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:48,880
he talked about did you hear him talk about postmodernism?

565
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,960
Add yeah, what was your take on his take on that?

566
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But it was a moment that he said postmodernism wasn't

567
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,000
an ideology, it was a moment events and born out

568
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of that moment.

569
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Speaker 2: Were these writers, Uh yeah, No, absolutely, I think I

570
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think all acts of philosophy or moments, so I think that,

571
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but I think all of them should be viewed that way,

572
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:19,480
not just postmodernism. For instance, I think liberalism is a

573
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:25,400
breakoff of medieval feudalism. Ultimately, it's a breakoff. It was

574
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a technological attempt to move away because it shifted the

575
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,920
power away from the land owning class over to a

576
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,559
different class, the traditional aristocratic landowning class giving their power

577
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:37,280
away to the BORGEOISI basically that's a moment, and then

578
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,480
so there's a reaction to it. Hegelianism is a reaction

579
00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:43,639
to the French Revolution. It's a moment in time. You

580
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:48,559
can't use Hegel direct from the book today. Anybody who

581
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:51,320
thinks you can lives in a universe where I guess

582
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,960
it's very easy to believe that things are all being

583
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,599
worked behind the scenes instead of a radical group explosions

584
00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:59,840
of chaos that dominate the world that we exist in.

585
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,480
There's no dialectic really, But at the time this was

586
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a technology that Hagel wanted to develop to read the

587
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situation out. So I totally agree with that idea. It

588
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is a moment in time. It's not something that one

589
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,480
should expect could be used today. Applies to whatever your

590
00:35:18,639 --> 00:35:22,639
goals are today. It is very specifically something that comes

591
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:25,880
out of the Enlightenment, out of the reaction to the Enlightenment,

592
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and happens in France in a particular context.

593
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, let's move on. Then we just

594
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went over the systems in this trick is five points.

595
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Of course, this trick was not planned and advanced by

596
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:41,719
the system's leaders, who are not conscious of having played

597
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,880
a trick at all. The way it works is something

598
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,199
like this. In deciding what positions take on any issue,

599
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,519
the editors, publishers, and owners of the media must consciously

600
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:55,320
or unconsciously balance several factors. They must consider how their

601
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,840
readers or viewers will react to what they print or

602
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,960
broadcast about the issue. They must consider how their advertisers,

603
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,079
their peers in the media and other powerful persons will react.

604
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,039
And they must consider the effect on the security of

605
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:12,239
the system of what they print or broadcast. Let me

606
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,400
ask you a question, do you think that I see

607
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:21,840
the New York Times editorial board in this light.

608
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I completely agree term corporate media. No, I mean,

609
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,599
that's why we use the term corporate media. It's very

610
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:37,239
specific groups.

611
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. These practical considerations will usually outweigh whatever personal

612
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,599
feelings they may have about the issue. The personal feelings

613
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:50,280
of the media leaders, their advertisers, and other powerful persons

614
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,519
are vary. They may be liberal or conservative, religious or religious,

615
00:36:54,559 --> 00:36:58,159
or aesthetic. They may be liberal or conservative, religious, or aesthetic.

616
00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:02,159
The only universal common ground among the leaders is their

617
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:06,159
commitment to the system, its security, and its power. Therefore,

618
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,679
within the limits imposed by what the public is willing

619
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,159
to accept. The principal factor determining the attitudes propagated by

620
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:15,679
the media is a rough consensus of opinion among the

621
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,920
media leaders and other powerful people as to what is

622
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,280
good for the system. Thus, when an editor or other

623
00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:26,239
media leader sets out to decide what attitudes to take

624
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,199
towards a movement or cause, his first thought is whether

625
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,880
the movement includes anything that is good or bad for

626
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,719
the system. Maybe he tells himself that his decision is

627
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,039
based on moral, philosophical, or religious grounds, but it is

628
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:42,960
an observable fact that in practice the security of the

629
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,800
system takes precedence over all other factors in determining the

630
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,639
attitude of the media. Now, what I will say to

631
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:56,760
that is, I think they're also taking into consideration who

632
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,119
may be in charge of the system at that time

633
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,599
and how the system is supposed to work under that person,

634
00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:05,920
because and I will just use a perfect what I

635
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,119
think is a perfect example. In twenty fifteen, the press

636
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:15,039
in this country were decidedly anti Black Lives Matter. They

637
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:18,079
had nothing good to say about them. They saw them

638
00:38:18,159 --> 00:38:20,679
as a thorn in the side of the system, which

639
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,840
was run by Barack Obama at that time. But as

640
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:30,360
soon as the quote unquote Russian agent Nazi person who

641
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,440
wanted to put gays in camps came into power and

642
00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:39,920
now presided over the system, they could use Black Lives

643
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,519
Matter to their advantage. And I believe that they did.

644
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,119
Speaker 2: I'm in total agreement with you, Pete. I think the

645
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:57,480
thing that what I find interesting is that Ted is

646
00:38:57,519 --> 00:39:01,079
willing to say that a person's decision is primarily going

647
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:07,599
to be what's in service of the system. I guess

648
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:11,239
he doesn't mean profit seeking is a a What that means?

649
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:16,559
What motivation? It is there? It's it's really vague. I think, Uh,

650
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,280
these news editors who run stories right the headlines that

651
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:25,280
grab the eyes are playing to bases. They're just they're

652
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,159
playing to their bases, and one base happens to be

653
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,199
in power and also have a predominance in the news media.

654
00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:37,320
The left absolutely has a predominance in the news media,

655
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,480
though Fox is the most watched mainstream show. Other than that,

656
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:45,440
I mean, you know, so I think that they're if

657
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,480
he means they're playing to basses first, that that that

658
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:51,920
their vision of the system is what they're playing to. Like,

659
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,639
what do you think, Pete, I don't know if I'm

660
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:55,559
lost here on that.

661
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Speaker 1: I if they're playing going to the base. The way

662
00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:05,199
it seems to happen now is they're playing to the

663
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:08,679
most radical side of the base, which would fit right

664
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,519
into what Ted's talking about here there now there, everything

665
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:18,960
is catered towards the activist, and according to Ted, that

666
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:23,639
is because the system needs understands that it needs changing,

667
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:28,960
and the way that it needs changing is in not

668
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,440
the perfect way the activist is trying to change it,

669
00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:32,840
but in that direction.

670
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just I think in terms of the

671
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,679
system needing to service the social machine, that's the terms

672
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:42,679
in which I'm approaching this from. So how is it

673
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,880
doing that by it's a simple playing to your base

674
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,239
sort of thing, and then kind of it's it's all

675
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,360
about the war for the base and how you can

676
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,280
shape public opinion. And so it seems like the system

677
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,880
is a second order factor to culture or public opinion,

678
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:02,519
then it actually is the main thing between society and

679
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:03,039
the people.

680
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Speaker 1: Sure, And you know, you can the way he's writing this,

681
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:11,119
you can see a lot of this into you can

682
00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:14,079
read some into Jarvin's cathedral.

683
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Speaker 4: Model, which I do.

684
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I certainly do.

685
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Speaker 1: So, Yeah, I mean it's I guess that's an argument

686
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,800
that anyone can have that a lot of people want

687
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to have. Is is the press and academia in charge

688
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,000
and pushing the government and pushing the culture which pushes

689
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:38,599
the government, or is the government in charge and they're

690
00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:41,480
in charge of academia and they tell academia what to do,

691
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:43,119
and they tell what the press, they tell the press

692
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:46,960
what to do. I tend to lean more towards the

693
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:51,920
Jarvin side of it, that actually the press press academia

694
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and at this point, and I don't think Jarvin would

695
00:41:54,559 --> 00:42:00,960
agree with me, because he's very he's protective of big tech,

696
00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:03,880
but I think big tech has a lot to do

697
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,280
with that. And someone who's worked in you know, worked

698
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,199
in Silicon Valley for two decades, I'm sure you know.

699
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Speaker 4: All right, let me see we left.

700
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Speaker 2: Left intelligentsia basically, I'm I'm much more in favor of

701
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,440
an opinion. If you try to apply ted to this

702
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:27,159
is a if that this system is whatever idiological, would

703
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:31,079
it be ethical? I don't care. Whatever ideological system, whatever

704
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:39,159
idea a liberal left intelligentsia would want, constitutes an idea

705
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,800
within the category system. If it's if it's literally, if

706
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:49,440
system quite literally equals left intelligentsia is ideal.

707
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Speaker 1: System, and it would I'm in yeah, And it would

708
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,119
appear that the system wants that those ideas to be

709
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adopted because it somehow sees that it's going to be

710
00:43:03,199 --> 00:43:05,679
to their advantage to keep their stranglehold.

711
00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: And this is you read it from a power perspective.

712
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,800
It's not about the accumulation of wealth or you see

713
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:15,719
it as an influence.

714
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:16,639
Speaker 4: Yeah.

715
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: I'm one of those people who I would rather have

716
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,159
power than wealth.

717
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, all right.

718
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: For example, if a news magazine editor looks at the

719
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,599
militia movement. He may or may not sympathize personally with

720
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:32,440
some of its grievances and goals, but he also sees

721
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,119
that there is a strong consensus among his advertisers and

722
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:37,639
his peers in the media that the militia movement is

723
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:40,719
potentially dangerous to the system and therefore should be discouraged.

724
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,039
Under these circumstances, he knows that his magazine had better

725
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:47,719
taken negative attitude towards the militia movement. The negative attitude

726
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,000
of the media, presumably is part of the reason why

727
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:53,679
the militia movement has died down. Now, there was a

728
00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:56,760
big militia movement through the nineties, and they definitely went

729
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,920
to war against that. When the same editor look at

730
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:04,119
radical feminism, he sees that some of its more extreme

731
00:44:04,199 --> 00:44:06,960
solutions would be dangerous to the system, but he also

732
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:10,400
sees that feminism holds much that is useful to the system.

733
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:13,760
Women's participation in the business and technical world integrates to

734
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,760
them and their families better into the system. Their talents

735
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,519
are of service to the system in business and technical matters.

736
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,960
Feminist emphasis on ending domestic abuse and rape also serves

737
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,840
a system needs since rape and abuse, like other forms

738
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,519
of violence are dangerous to the system. Perhaps most important,

739
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,280
the editor recognizes that the pettiness and meaninglessness of modern

740
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:39,519
housework and the social is isolation of the modern housewife

741
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:42,920
can lead to serious frustration for many women, frustration that

742
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,519
will cause problems for the system unless women are allowed

743
00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:49,679
in outlet through careers in the business and technical world.

744
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:54,239
Even if this editor is a macho type who personally

745
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,679
feels more comfortable with women in a subordinate position, he

746
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,360
knows that feminism, at least in a relatively modern, moderate form,

747
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:04,039
is good for the system. He knows that his editorial

748
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:07,920
posture must be favorable towards moderate feminism, otherwise he will

749
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,320
face the disapproval of his advertisers and other powerful people.

750
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,519
This is why the mainstream media's attitude has been generally

751
00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:20,559
supportive of moderate feminism, mixed towards radical feminism, and consistently

752
00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:24,000
hostile only towards the most extreme feminist positions.

753
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,639
Speaker 2: So it's the advertisers who control everything. Pete, did we

754
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,800
narrow it down? Do we have our do we have

755
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:32,519
our cup locks?

756
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 3: Oh?

757
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,119
Speaker 1: I guess we know who goes against the wall first.

758
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: Well, I've said, I've said that at least for a decade, Pete,

759
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:46,320
I've been saying that for at least one decade.

760
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of our friend Bellim I Fitzpatrick's former

761
00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:55,840
Green anarchist. He the first time I ever ever interviewed him,

762
00:45:56,039 --> 00:46:01,840
he made a big point of dressing how dangerous he

763
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,199
thinks advertising is.

764
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:08,119
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's for sure. Advertising and macroeconomics are two

765
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,639
very powerful forms of mind control that are used all

766
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:12,119
the time.

767
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: Through this type of process, rebel movements that are dangerous

768
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,440
to the system are subjected to negative propaganda, while rebel

769
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,920
movements that are believed to be useful to the system

770
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,840
are given cautious encouragement in the media. Unconscious absorption of

771
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,880
media propaganda influences would be rebels to rebel in ways

772
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,199
that serve the interests of the system.

773
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 4: Let me go on.

774
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: The university intellectuals also play an important role in carrying

775
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,599
out the system's neatest trick. Though they like to fancy

776
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:47,920
themselves independent thinkers, the intellectuals are allowing for individual exceptions.

777
00:46:48,199 --> 00:46:53,800
The most oversocialized, the most conformist, the tamest and most domesticated,

778
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:58,079
the most pampered, dependent and spineless group in America today.

779
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,639
A result their impulse to rebel is particularly strong, but

780
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,239
because they are incapable of independent thought, real rebellion is

781
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,320
impossible for them. Consequently, they are suckers for the system's trick,

782
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:15,840
which allows them to irritate people and enjoy does it irritate,

783
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:19,599
irritate people and enjoy the illusion of rebelling without ever

784
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:24,880
having to challenge the systems basic values. That's from Harvard Man.

785
00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: So easy, so easy to be a rebel these days.

786
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,559
Speaker 1: Oh, you don't really have to speak out against it.

787
00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:33,079
Speaker 4: I mean.

788
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: I think that they're just going too far, you know.

789
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,960
I mean, if it was if it's racism, if it's

790
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,800
I mean, what right winger isn't going to be Like

791
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,159
most right wingers are like, yeah, racism sucks, it should

792
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:48,000
be I won't be racist.

793
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 4: This is stupid.

794
00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: But they just they went they went too far with

795
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:56,000
the trans shit man, the trans kids, the four year olds.

796
00:47:56,639 --> 00:48:03,679
Speaker 2: They're in lots of directions. Piece, you're going really far

797
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:08,760
in a lot of directions, actually very quickly.

798
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:12,199
Speaker 4: Yeah.

799
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: Because they are the teachers of young people, the university

800
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,880
intellectuals are in a position to help the system plays

801
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,559
trick on the young, which they do by steering young

802
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:26,599
people's rebellious impulses towards the standard stereotype targets racism, colonialism,

803
00:48:26,679 --> 00:48:29,960
women's issues, et cetera. Young people who are not college

804
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,119
students learn through the media or through personal contact of

805
00:48:33,159 --> 00:48:36,599
the social justice issues for which students rebel, and they

806
00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:41,559
and they imitate the students. Thus, thus a youth culture

807
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:45,159
develops in which there is a stereotype mode of rebellion

808
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:50,119
that spreads through imitation. Appears, just as hairstyle, clothing style, hairstyles,

809
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:52,400
clothing styles, and other fads spread through imitation.

810
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,039
Speaker 2: I mean means I'm even gonna say meme.

811
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, really, if you understand exactly what

812
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,400
you're saying, especially in part three, he's just laying out

813
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,039
what Antifa is to the.

814
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 2: System, there's a matter of I don't know. I don't

815
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:17,360
know if you've ever spoken to a college student. I've

816
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,440
spoken to a lot of college students who are very

817
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:23,320
much in this What Ted would probably be talking about.

818
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:29,239
This milieu of very stereotyped rebels, like your next door

819
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:34,400
neighbor rebel type people, and it's a lifestyle is also

820
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:39,199
something that needs to be understood, is it's these days.

821
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:41,039
Ted couldn't have known this in two thousand and five,

822
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,239
and apparently we got a message that he has no

823
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:46,880
TV access. I don't know if you saw that no

824
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,800
TV access. He just has a CCTV that broadcasts religious

825
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,440
stuff and other educational stuff. So he couldn't have called

826
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,400
that then. He certainly wouldn't be able to call it now,

827
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:02,039
But there is certainly the average college student is I

828
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:07,599
would use the word under attack by from every vector

829
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:14,039
possible into a very subtle kind of behavior. Language is

830
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:17,760
mostly inculcated through means like social media is doing this

831
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,719
to them their friends. The language they use in memes

832
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:28,639
includes these kinds of whether it be terminology, pronoun designation

833
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:35,519
of some kind, it's it's the transfer of obedience via

834
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:42,719
culture is subtle, it's not direct. It's advertised in a

835
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,280
lot of ways. And I think that that that's probably

836
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:51,280
how people are firstly put into this category of being

837
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,400
okay with feeling like a rebel. In the system is

838
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,760
they have a lot of support in whether it be

839
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:01,320
an academia, Kyle, Their academic system is what supports the

840
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,760
idea of being number one a rebel but also being

841
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,760
completely the most normal person of all time, the most

842
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:11,679
useful slave of all time. It is the academic bubble

843
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:17,960
that allows for that to be taking place. I think

844
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,719
that's just important to point out if you look at

845
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,800
how the system looks, a college student really is a

846
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,360
type of person these days, like how you would say,

847
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:32,079
like a goth is a type of person. You can

848
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:34,920
probably guess what sort of music they listen to, how

849
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,920
they dress. A college student is a type of person.

850
00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:43,800
Their previous identity, no matter what it was, gets washed

851
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,199
away or at least cleansed enough that they can overlay

852
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,920
college students on top, and it works about seventy percent

853
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,639
of the time, meaning they don't shed it off once

854
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,960
they go back or they get their degree, or it

855
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,760
seems to work a good percentage of the time. That

856
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,800
those people are just like stable rebels who are rebellious

857
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,440
in the college days, and then they bring their entire language,

858
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,039
they bring their entire culture out of college into the

859
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:17,360
hr department where they and the marketing department where they

860
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,119
continue to perpetuate slightly more extreme versions of that as

861
00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:23,599
they suffer to the peer pressure of their own children

862
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,639
when they don't want to be nagged, but the next

863
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,519
thing that makes them behave in a certain way. So

864
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:31,480
I think it's subtle. I don't even think that this

865
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:36,760
what what I think is the big danger is as

866
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,400
industrial as what Ted seems to think that it.

867
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: Is, okay, cool, Well, what you're describing when you say,

868
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:50,599
you know, just like a goth is what the last

869
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:54,559
episode our release was about. It's about identity. Everything's about

870
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,079
everything is about identity. People put on an identity, they

871
00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:03,360
adopted ide all use it as an identity, and then

872
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:08,199
anything that is that threatens that identity, or if you're

873
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,480
somebody who shares that identity with them, and then you

874
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:15,280
say one little you know. What's funny is when you

875
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:20,840
watch leftists on Twitter, that one deviates, maybe one goes turf,

876
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,159
and now they're they're out of the group. They're out

877
00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:27,400
of the end group. Now, oh yep, you can see that.

878
00:53:27,639 --> 00:53:29,760
You can see that in libertarianism too.

879
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:31,039
Speaker 2: Yeah.

880
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not an anarchist anymore.

881
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,519
Speaker 2: There's I think it's it's Hegel has a well known

882
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:43,920
concept of uh wanting to be validated for your identity,

883
00:53:44,119 --> 00:53:46,400
that that you you you want to have an identity,

884
00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:49,519
and that you want your identity to be validated. This

885
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:53,800
has been tested out. It seems that most people are

886
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:59,079
are would rather they they get validation out of their

887
00:53:59,199 --> 00:54:03,159
near group rather than all people across. So, for instance,

888
00:54:04,519 --> 00:54:09,719
a man who is poor and lives in Ghana compares

889
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:14,320
himself and his wealth to his local people and considers

890
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,840
wealthy the people within his group who are wealthy. He

891
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:23,199
doesn't go oh, people in a different country, say Sweden,

892
00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:27,440
Those people are the people who I compare myself to. Economically,

893
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:30,119
I don't think about wealth in terms of the way

894
00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:34,000
a Swede thinks about wealth. Same thing. So people are

895
00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:38,400
localistic when they think in terms of their social status

896
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,599
how they view themselves among their peer groups. I think

897
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:47,360
the symptom of the West seems to be, and it

898
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:52,239
has been since the Enlightenment, has been that the emphasis

899
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:59,199
on individualism, whether by consequence or on purpose, gave rise

900
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:05,360
to a habitual need for identity and a validation of

901
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,320
that identity as an individual person. It's very easy to

902
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,159
do that in these peer groups that pop up in

903
00:55:11,199 --> 00:55:13,239
these kinds of systems, because you can just create yourself

904
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,800
within a simple mold and boom, the job is done.

905
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,280
Now I have my own identity. I don't have a

906
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,679
crisis happening anymore. That seems to be a huge symptom

907
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,719
of the problem of being in the West and having

908
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,920
this the way we think is just all about identity,

909
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:28,480
and we can't help it. I don't know if it's

910
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:30,599
right or wrong, but it's the way we've been brought.

911
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:36,559
Speaker 1: Up, absolutely all right. Part four. The trick is not perfect. Naturally,

912
00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:39,440
the system's trick does not work perfectly. Not all the

913
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,679
positions adopted by the activist community are consistent with the

914
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,360
needs of the system. In this connection, some of the

915
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,880
most in this connection, some of the most important difficulties

916
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,760
that confront the system are related to the conflict between

917
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,960
the two different types of propaganda that the system has

918
00:55:55,000 --> 00:56:01,639
to use, integration propaganda and agitation propaganda. Integration propaganda is

919
00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:05,239
the principal mechanism of socialization and modern society. It is

920
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,920
propaganda that is designed to instill in people the attitudes, beliefs, values,

921
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,360
and habits that they need to have in order to

922
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,400
be safe and useful tools of the system. It teaches

923
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,760
people to permanently repress or sublimate their emotional impulses that

924
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,079
are dangerous to the system. Its focus is on long

925
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:28,760
term attitudes and deep seated values of broad applicability, rather

926
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:33,440
than on attitudes towards specific current issues. You want me

927
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:34,880
to go onto agitation propaganda?

928
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

929
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 3: Sure.

930
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:40,039
Speaker 1: Agitation propaganda plays on people's emotions so as to bring

931
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:44,639
out certain attitudes or behaviors in specific current situations. Instead

932
00:56:44,679 --> 00:56:48,280
of teaching people to suppress dangerous emotional impulses, it seeks

933
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:53,039
to stimulate certain emotions for well defined purposes, localized in time.

934
00:56:56,039 --> 00:56:59,039
Speaker 2: Keep going, Yeah, keep going. I think you're just outlining

935
00:56:59,079 --> 00:56:59,679
a strategy.

936
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 4: Yep.

937
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:05,559
Speaker 1: The system needs an orderly, docile, cooperative, passive, dependent population.

938
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:09,400
Above all, it requires a nonviolent population, since it needs

939
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,360
the government to have a monopoly on the use of

940
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,559
physical force. For this reason, integration propaganda has to teach

941
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:19,280
us to be horrified, frightened, and appalled by violence, so

942
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,360
that we will not be tempted to use it, even

943
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,320
when we are very angry by violence, I mean physical

944
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:29,400
attacks on human beings. More generally, integration propaganda has to

945
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:35,079
teach us soft, cuddly values that emphasize non aggressiveness, interdependence,

946
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:42,840
and cooperation. On the other hand, in certain contexts, the

947
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,239
system itself finds it useful or necessary to result to brutal,

948
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,880
aggressive methods to achieve its own objectives. The most obvious

949
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,519
example of such methods is warfare. In wartime, the system

950
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relies on agitation propaganda in order to win public approval

951
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of military action. It plays on people's emotions to make

952
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feel frightened and angry at their real or supposed enemy.

953
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In this situation, there is a conflict between integration propaganda

954
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and agitation propaganda. Those people in whom the cuddly values

955
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,360
and the eversions of violence have been most deeply planted

956
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can't easily be persuaded to approve a bloody military operation.

957
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Speaker 4: Here are the.

958
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Speaker 1: Systems trick backfires. To some extent, The activists who have

959
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been rebelling all along in favor of the values of

960
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,880
integration propaganda continue to do so. During wartime. They opposed

961
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the war effort not only because it is violent, but

962
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because it is racist, colonialist, imperialist, etc. All of which

963
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is contrary to the soft, cuddly values taught by integration propaganda.

964
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I don't know how much that works anymore.

965
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Speaker 2: I was going to say that what works now is

966
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the war's turned inward, obviously, And I think if you

967
00:58:55,199 --> 00:58:59,400
turn the war inward it works just fine.

968
00:58:59,599 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

969
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:03,159
Speaker 2: I don't think the left would have any problem with

970
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calling a war against other American people, racist, colonialist, imperial

971
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It just has to be not a racist war, not

972
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a colonialist war, not an imperialist war, aka a war

973
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:15,880
against the domestic citizen of the United States.

974
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Speaker 1: Popular Liberty. Andrew says, Jesus pete. When you hear that line,

975
00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:28,519
did you just say, nap, We're taught to a bore

976
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:36,719
of violence. He says, yeah, yeah, all right. The systems

977
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:41,920
trick also backfires where the treatment of animals is concerned. Inevitably,

978
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many people extend to animals to soft values and the

979
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,719
aversions of violence that they are taught with respect to humans.

980
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They are horrified by the slaughter of animals from meat

981
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and other and by other practices harmful to animals, such

982
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,000
as the reduction of chickens to egg laying machines kept

983
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,400
in tiny cages, or the use of an animals and

984
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,880
science experiments. Up to a point, the resulting opposition to

985
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,159
mistreatment of animals may be useful to the system because

986
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:10,000
of vegan diet is more efficient in terms of resource

987
01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:14,760
utilization than a carnivorous one. Veganism, if widely adopted, will

988
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,360
help to ease the burden placed on the Earth's limited

989
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,760
resources by the growth of the by the growth of

990
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,480
the human population. But activists insistence on ending the use

991
01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:28,719
of animals and scientific experiments is squarely in conflict with

992
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,400
the system's needs, since for the foreseeable future there is

993
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,280
not likely to be any workable sustain substitute for living

994
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,880
animals as research subjects. All the same, the fact that

995
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,719
the system's trick does backfire here and there does not

996
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,760
and there does not prevent it from being, on the whole,

997
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:52,800
a remarkably effective device for turning rebellious impulses to the

998
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,719
system's advantage. It has to be conceded that the trick

999
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:01,519
described here is not only is not the only factor

1000
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:05,599
determining the direction the rebellious impulse has taken our society.

1001
01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:08,880
Many people today feel weak and powerless for the very

1002
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,079
good reason that the system really does make us weak

1003
01:01:11,079 --> 01:01:15,639
in powerless, and therefore identify obsessively with victims, with the

1004
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:18,599
weak and the oppressed. That's part of the reason why

1005
01:01:18,719 --> 01:01:23,559
victimization issues such as racism, sexism, homophobia, and neo colonialism

1006
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:29,400
have become standard activist issues. I even see some libertarianism

1007
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:29,760
in there.

1008
01:01:31,679 --> 01:01:35,119
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, without a doubt. Anywhere where the activism can

1009
01:01:35,159 --> 01:01:38,079
be played right. Oh well, actually he gives the example.

1010
01:01:39,559 --> 01:01:47,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, he says, the then therefore identify obsessively with victims,

1011
01:01:47,719 --> 01:01:51,280
with the weak and the oppressed. I mean, I was

1012
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:56,639
just having another argument in DMS today with somebody who

1013
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:02,400
made the claim that government is equal slavery, and I

1014
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,800
presented them with the eighteen twenty eight Webster's Dictionary definition

1015
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:12,360
of slavery and said, how does this comport with what

1016
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,760
you see the government doing today? And all they said

1017
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,239
was I proved it in my article.

1018
01:02:18,119 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 2: Oh come man, I feel like you could do one sentence, right,

1019
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,800
You can be like, well, here you go, one sentence.

1020
01:02:26,679 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't even have It's amazing that some

1021
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,079
of the people who you are writing articles and they're

1022
01:02:33,079 --> 01:02:37,039
getting spread widely. It's just it's all hyperbole. And I'm

1023
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:40,119
guilty of it too, you know, in the past. I

1024
01:02:40,199 --> 01:02:43,639
try to keep that for substack now, but it as

1025
01:02:43,679 --> 01:02:46,760
far as you know. I mean, if you seek to

1026
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,320
write an article saying the government is slavery, I can

1027
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:56,119
prove that the government is the government bad enough flavery?

1028
01:02:57,679 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 2: Well does it need to be slavery? Isn't it bad enough?

1029
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:01,039
Speaker 4: Of Well?

1030
01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:04,199
Speaker 1: How about how about just asking this question of that person.

1031
01:03:06,159 --> 01:03:08,559
Maybe you want to think of yourself as a slave.

1032
01:03:09,639 --> 01:03:11,480
Do you want to think of yourself as a slave.

1033
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:14,719
Speaker 2: This is a good counter to somebody who's caught in

1034
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,039
the idea that the government has to be slavery for

1035
01:03:18,119 --> 01:03:20,760
it to be persuadably a bad thing.

1036
01:03:21,559 --> 01:03:25,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe your identity, Maybe your identity is caught up

1037
01:03:25,199 --> 01:03:30,880
in being a slave. I don't know, maybe that's part

1038
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:35,400
of your ideology. Maybe the ideology that you hold you

1039
01:03:35,679 --> 01:03:38,159
have to be a slave within that ideology, or the

1040
01:03:38,199 --> 01:03:39,760
ideology falls apart.

1041
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 2: Or the slave is the victim and you have your

1042
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,519
master's slave mentality, and your victimhood is what drives your

1043
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:51,360
desire to do this rebelling thing which has actually been

1044
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,679
made in service of the establishment.

1045
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, comes back to its head again. All right, this

1046
01:04:00,599 --> 01:04:02,360
I think this is Yeah, this is the last part.

1047
01:04:03,199 --> 01:04:06,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, not a strongly persuasive example

1048
01:04:06,199 --> 01:04:08,199
because it's a really long example.

1049
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, I know it's damn boomer. All right, Yes,

1050
01:04:16,239 --> 01:04:20,039
Part five. An example I have with me an anthropology

1051
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:23,000
textbook in which I've noticed several nice examples of the

1052
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,840
way in which university intellectuals helped the system with its

1053
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:31,599
trick by disguising conformity as criticism of modern society. The

1054
01:04:31,679 --> 01:04:34,639
cutest of these examples is found on page is one

1055
01:04:34,719 --> 01:04:37,679
thirty two to one thirty six, where the author quotes,

1056
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:41,639
in adapted form an article by one Ronda K. Williamson

1057
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,519
an intersect person that is a person born with both

1058
01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:51,119
male and female physical characteristics. I'm a suit hermaphrodite. Is

1059
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,760
that what he's said. I don't know. I've never heard

1060
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:57,239
the term intersect before.

1061
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it is, or that's what they're saying.

1062
01:05:01,239 --> 01:05:04,760
It is a person born with both male and female

1063
01:05:05,159 --> 01:05:06,880
physical characteristics.

1064
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1065
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 4: I would assume they talked, but you got.

1066
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:21,639
Speaker 2: Jesus, I don't know what that means. Man, Let's keep going.

1067
01:05:21,719 --> 01:05:22,960
Ron de Kay Williamson.

1068
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:28,079
Speaker 1: Williamson states that the American Indians not only accepted intersex persons,

1069
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:33,079
but especially valued them. She contrasts this attitude with the

1070
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:36,760
Euro American attitude, which she equates with the attitude that

1071
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:41,719
her own apparents adopted toward her. Williamson's parents mistreated her cruelly.

1072
01:05:42,159 --> 01:05:45,320
They held her in contempt for her intersex condition. They

1073
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,840
told her she was cursed and given over to the devil,

1074
01:05:48,159 --> 01:05:50,880
and they took her to charismatic churches to have the

1075
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,920
demon casta editor. This is like just a terrible B movie.

1076
01:05:56,039 --> 01:05:58,480
She was even given napkins in which she was supposed

1077
01:05:58,519 --> 01:06:02,639
to cough out the demon. But it is obviously ridiculous

1078
01:06:02,679 --> 01:06:05,800
to equate this with the modern euro American attitude. It

1079
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,880
may approximate the euro American attitude of one hundred and

1080
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:13,519
fifty years ago, but nowadays almost any American educator, psychologist,

1081
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,639
or mainstream clergyman would be horrified at that kind of

1082
01:06:16,639 --> 01:06:19,840
treatment of an intersex person. The media would never dream

1083
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,280
of portraying such treatment in a favorable light. Average middle

1084
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,360
class Americans today may not be as accepting of the

1085
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,480
intersex condition as the Indians were, but few would fail

1086
01:06:29,519 --> 01:06:32,119
to recognize the cruelty of the way in which Williamson

1087
01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:38,679
was treated. Williamson's parents obviously were deviants, religious kooks whose

1088
01:06:38,719 --> 01:06:40,920
attitudes and beliefs were way out of the line with

1089
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,400
the values of the system. It's amazing to me that

1090
01:06:44,679 --> 01:06:48,360
he doesn't actually take into account that she just could

1091
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:48,840
be lying.

1092
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 2: That's dude, that's hilarious, because that was the first thought

1093
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:56,840
I had, She's just lying.

1094
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: It's like, let's take it how WoT we take it

1095
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,639
to consideration is making this ship up?

1096
01:07:08,639 --> 01:07:11,639
Speaker 2: Man, that's the mockabellion. That's the whole point of reading

1097
01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:15,480
that fucking overly sized James Burnham book, so that you

1098
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:23,480
can go, what if they're just fucking lying exactly? Such

1099
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,440
an important thing to remember is that Ted really probably

1100
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,280
takes a lot of things that face value for a

1101
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,440
neurochemical reason or something like that.

1102
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: You gotta wonder what that math brain.

1103
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 2: Is like, Oh, it's probably loud. It's probably really loud.

1104
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,639
Speaker 1: Thus, while putting on a show of criticizing modern Euro

1105
01:07:44,679 --> 01:07:48,719
American society, Williamson really is attacking only deviant minorities and

1106
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,880
cultural laggards. Gotta love the term laggard. Gotta use that one.

1107
01:07:54,599 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 2: In a long time.

1108
01:07:55,599 --> 01:07:58,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's been a while. Devant minorties and cultural

1109
01:07:58,719 --> 01:08:02,000
laggards who have not adapted to the dominant values of

1110
01:08:02,039 --> 01:08:05,400
present day America. Haviln, the author of the book, on

1111
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:10,960
page twelve, portrays cultural anthropology as i kinoclastic, as challenging

1112
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:14,719
the assumptions of modern Western society. This is so far

1113
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,039
contrary to the truth that it would be funny if

1114
01:08:17,079 --> 01:08:20,840
it weren't so pathetic. The mainstream of modern American anthropology

1115
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,560
is objectly subservient to the values and asump assumptions of

1116
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:28,800
the system. When today's anthropologists pretend to challenge the values

1117
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,800
of their system, typically they challenge only the values of

1118
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:35,920
the past, obsolete and outmoded values now held by no

1119
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,680
one but deviance and laggards who have not kept up

1120
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,000
the cultural changes that the system requires of us. He

1121
01:08:42,079 --> 01:08:44,520
brings that up a lot an industrial society in its future.

1122
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,800
When he talks about the left, says, the left is

1123
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:54,079
always concentrating on things that the ninety nine point nine

1124
01:08:54,119 --> 01:08:59,159
percent of the population has just swept under the rug,

1125
01:08:59,159 --> 01:09:01,760
and it's like, okay, we care anymore, and they just

1126
01:09:02,119 --> 01:09:05,439
they concentrate on that point one percent and just how

1127
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,359
you know, I mean, it's like, well, now, it's like

1128
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:11,439
with the white supremacists, the freak. I mean, literally, how

1129
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,640
many white supremacists do you think there are in this country?

1130
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:18,319
I mean people who would literally identify because I've met

1131
01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:21,760
a couple they're not like, they don't hide the fact

1132
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:22,800
that they're white supremacists.

1133
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:24,079
Speaker 4: They're actually really.

1134
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,079
Speaker 1: Proud of it, and they like to talk about it.

1135
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:27,319
Speaker 4: They're not hiding it.

1136
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 2: Very interesting. I also think that here Ted is talking

1137
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:37,279
about the I almost feel like he's talking about everyone else.

1138
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:40,840
Here he's talking about the left is challenging people. The

1139
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,840
left has to challenge everyone else, But they don't actually

1140
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,960
challenge what people believe today. They challenge what they think

1141
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:51,880
people believed forty years ago or fifty years ago. That

1142
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:56,720
they're arguing against the base, the large group, but they're

1143
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:59,159
not actually arguing against them. They're arguing the idea of them,

1144
01:09:59,399 --> 01:10:02,720
which I think, by the way, social media coming into

1145
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,960
the foray has really permitted this to go completely out

1146
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:11,000
of control, because now you could spend twenty hours a

1147
01:10:11,119 --> 01:10:18,039
day arguing for against a group of outloaded ideas that

1148
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:20,479
nobody actually believes anymore. I mean, we see this all

1149
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:20,920
the time.

1150
01:10:22,199 --> 01:10:28,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's amazing Andrew, Wow, Yeah, that's so boomer

1151
01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:29,439
to just believe it at face.

1152
01:10:29,359 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 4: Value, all right.

1153
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:36,119
Speaker 1: Haveln's use of Williamson's article illustrates this very well, and

1154
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:40,239
it represents the general slant of Havelen's book. Havelen plays

1155
01:10:40,319 --> 01:10:45,800
up ethnographic facts that teach his readers politically correct lessons,

1156
01:10:46,039 --> 01:10:49,520
but he understates or omits altogether ethnographic facts that are

1157
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:54,319
politically incorrect Thus, while he quotes Williamson's account to emphasize

1158
01:10:54,319 --> 01:10:58,319
the indians acceptance of intersex persons, he does not mention,

1159
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:01,279
for example, that among many of the Indian tribes, women

1160
01:11:01,319 --> 01:11:04,439
who committed adultery had their noses cut off, whereas no

1161
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:08,439
such punishment was inflicted on male adulterers, or that among

1162
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:10,560
the Crow Indians, a warrior who was struck by a

1163
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:15,199
stranger had to kill the offender immediately, else else he

1164
01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:18,640
was irretrievably disgraced in the eyes of his tribe. Nor

1165
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,319
does Havelin discussed the habitual use of torture by the

1166
01:11:21,319 --> 01:11:24,560
Indians of the eastern United States. Of course, facts of

1167
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:28,960
this kind represent violence, machismo, and gender discrimination. Hence they're

1168
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,800
inconsistent with the present day values of the system and

1169
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:38,479
tend to get censored out as politically incorrect. I mean, yeah, okay, Boomer, Yeah,

1170
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,159
they're inconsistent.

1171
01:11:40,199 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 4: We know this.

1172
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 2: Yes, that is the most Boomer think about. That was

1173
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,840
the detraction into like a petty squab he probably had

1174
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:53,159
with somebody one time. I do that, like, well, the

1175
01:11:53,159 --> 01:11:56,680
Indians killed one another too, So he wrote that. He

1176
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,720
was like, I'm gonna fucking We're gonna write this one down. Yeah,

1177
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,720
that was a big boomer digression. But the value there,

1178
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:07,039
of course, is that there are things where you can

1179
01:12:07,079 --> 01:12:10,479
pinpoint what group is partaking in what the system needs.

1180
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:15,720
When it is the group specifically avoiding talking about it,

1181
01:12:16,199 --> 01:12:22,479
it's pet projects and then talking about the bad side

1182
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:25,439
of whatever it has a fascination of that. Oh yeah,

1183
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,039
there's a particular group of people here who today are

1184
01:12:29,039 --> 01:12:32,159
a victim group who Okay, that means we can never

1185
01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:35,640
talk about anything bad that was ever done at any point.

1186
01:12:36,119 --> 01:12:39,560
Just clearly the left is aligning itself with this view.

1187
01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:44,039
I don't think the right seems to do this very much. Again,

1188
01:12:44,279 --> 01:12:47,720
I think he seems to be anti left Pete, which

1189
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,720
is not something I knew, nor something I think a

1190
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,880
lot of people know. Just if they hear about Ted

1191
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,199
or see a couple of tweets about Ted, or watch

1192
01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:59,159
a documentary about him. He seems to be pretty anti left.

1193
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,479
Like you've done them. But this is new to me.

1194
01:13:04,119 --> 01:13:05,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, it was.

1195
01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: He makes it immediately known in the first thirty part.

1196
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:13,479
The industrial society's future is broken up into almost versus

1197
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:14,039
like the Bible.

1198
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first section of it is entirely about Hey,

1199
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,159
the left sucks, don't they? And then it's it's just

1200
01:13:21,279 --> 01:13:22,520
a bunch of pages of that.

1201
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:26,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, and you also have to think that. Okay,

1202
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:31,840
so the left is more prone to activism, and he

1203
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:35,439
wants activism. He wants to take down technology, he wants

1204
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:38,560
to take us back to the Bronze Age. But the

1205
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:43,680
people who seem to be his most natural allies are

1206
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:48,000
all worried about protesting against stuff that makes doesn't make

1207
01:13:48,039 --> 01:13:52,000
any sense to him, right, They're all protesting against things that,

1208
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,079
you know, like he says, or just things that prop

1209
01:13:55,159 --> 01:13:58,279
up the system. There there for the systems good, where

1210
01:13:58,279 --> 01:14:01,359
he knows that to destroy technology, she destroys the system

1211
01:14:01,399 --> 01:14:01,760
as well.

1212
01:14:02,239 --> 01:14:04,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, absolutely.

1213
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,119
Speaker 1: Yet I don't doubt that Havilin is perfectly sincere in

1214
01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:14,079
his belief that anthropologists challenge the assumptions of Western society.

1215
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:18,800
The capacity for self deception of our university intellectuals will

1216
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,520
easily stretch that far. To conclude, I want to make

1217
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,920
clear that I'm not suggesting that it is good to

1218
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,920
cut off noses for adultery, or that any other abuse

1219
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,399
of women should be tolerated, nor would I want to

1220
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,760
see anybody scorned or rejected because they were intersext or

1221
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,680
because of their race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.

1222
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 3: Etc. Etc.

1223
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 1: But in our society today, these matters are at most

1224
01:14:42,119 --> 01:14:45,479
issues of reform. The systems need a trick consists in

1225
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:50,079
having turned powerful rebellious impulses which otherwise might have taken

1226
01:14:50,119 --> 01:14:54,800
a revolutionary direction, to the service of these modest reforms.

1227
01:14:56,199 --> 01:15:01,159
Speaker 2: Yep. I appreciated the brevity of it. It's not too long.

1228
01:15:01,319 --> 01:15:03,439
It outlines an idea which a lot of people might

1229
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:06,560
not be acquainted with, and I think for the most part,

1230
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,880
he's for the most part, if you viewed the way

1231
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,399
we started this off as if you view this as

1232
01:15:11,399 --> 01:15:15,399
a story about something called the system, anthropomorphic or otherwise,

1233
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:19,560
you can easily kind of like an elastic glove just

1234
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:23,279
fitted over whatever you need to and it can be

1235
01:15:23,359 --> 01:15:27,079
applicable to the situation. So I think, I don't know,

1236
01:15:27,079 --> 01:15:28,600
I actually liked reading this one.

1237
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 4: I thought it was solid.

1238
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:35,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, And after finishing Industrial Society in its Future, where

1239
01:15:35,079 --> 01:15:41,520
he really expounds upon a lot of these ideas, to

1240
01:15:43,039 --> 01:15:45,479
have him, you know, do just this little five part

1241
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:50,279
essay for lack of a better term, and have so

1242
01:15:50,399 --> 01:15:53,640
many of those recognize so many of those ideas how

1243
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:57,960
he brought him over is pretty good. And it's just

1244
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,039
so awesome to see that just that boom that just

1245
01:16:01,239 --> 01:16:04,439
I was just that boomerism that you that you could

1246
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:07,920
see all throughout like industrial society in his future. How

1247
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,920
he just continues that there's always this kind of boomer tendency.

1248
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,800
But I honestly think that his boomerism helps in his writing.

1249
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 2: Oh hmm. I think it's uh charming. I think it's

1250
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,600
definitely charming, but.

1251
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 1: It helps, it's helpful for normies to understand.

1252
01:16:28,199 --> 01:16:31,159
Speaker 2: I guess, man, I guess I mean someone like you

1253
01:16:32,039 --> 01:16:32,760
and I anymore.

1254
01:16:33,119 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like you and I when we were reading,

1255
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:37,960
when we're reading the stuff that we read, you know,

1256
01:16:38,039 --> 01:16:41,199
for fun, which other people are just like, you're insane,

1257
01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:43,880
like to show.

1258
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,279
Speaker 2: I tried to shoot. One time. I was on an

1259
01:16:45,279 --> 01:16:49,119
airplane and I was reading Fank Numana and I'm in

1260
01:16:49,159 --> 01:16:51,359
the middle of it where half of it is parentheses

1261
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:55,920
and dots, and this guy and this guy on the

1262
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:57,880
in the airplane at the window seat looks over and

1263
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,159
he goes, what's your reading? And I'm going, just like poetry?

1264
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 4: Oh man.

1265
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:11,399
Speaker 1: I remember I was like nineteen and somebody was I was.

1266
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,039
I was going to apprentice as a carpenter and everything,

1267
01:17:14,079 --> 01:17:16,520
and I went in for an interview and the guy

1268
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:18,680
who was interviewing me, I had a book with me

1269
01:17:19,159 --> 01:17:21,960
and he he's like, so, what book are you reading?

1270
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:28,039
And I'm like, Essentials of Zen Buddhism. He's like, why

1271
01:17:28,119 --> 01:17:28,720
are you here?

1272
01:17:29,039 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 2: We're we're we're nerd like like we're making it, We're

1273
01:17:33,119 --> 01:17:34,640
making it awkward for people.

1274
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that I'm making your day, like making your

1275
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:42,760
turning your day into this. But yeah, this is a

1276
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:49,319
really good book. So what do you what's your take

1277
01:17:49,359 --> 01:17:49,800
away from this?

1278
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:50,399
Speaker 4: What do you think?

1279
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:54,520
Speaker 1: Well, what do you think Ted was onto? I mean,

1280
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,600
it's two thousand and five, a couple of four years

1281
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:03,000
after nine to eleven, second year in to Iraq, fifth

1282
01:18:03,079 --> 01:18:11,199
year into fourth year into Afghanistan TSA, NSA. He's seeing

1283
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:14,920
all of this technology being used against people and everything,

1284
01:18:16,319 --> 01:18:20,439
but he's still trying to stay trying to concentrate on

1285
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:24,680
psychology because I think he understands that that's more, you know,

1286
01:18:25,119 --> 01:18:28,359
that's how you break through to people. And what do

1287
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:29,600
you think he was doing with this one?

1288
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 2: I think that what you should probably pick up from

1289
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:43,600
the essay. First of all, he gives a great outline.

1290
01:18:44,079 --> 01:18:47,119
So right there the outline at the start of the

1291
01:18:47,159 --> 01:18:50,199
second part. If you wanted a summary of what we

1292
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:51,039
just read.

1293
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:51,319
Speaker 4: That's it.

1294
01:18:53,079 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 2: I think the takeaway is this probably serves more as

1295
01:19:02,319 --> 01:19:06,600
a framework than it does as a theory. He's more

1296
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:11,479
so describing in two thousand and five something that was happening.

1297
01:19:12,119 --> 01:19:14,479
If you weren't in, now you're in, so now you

1298
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:19,600
know what's going on in twenty twenty one. The sketch

1299
01:19:20,039 --> 01:19:23,319
looks very much the same because the playbook hasn't changed.

1300
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,119
It's probably hasn't aged well, I would say, Pete, but

1301
01:19:28,039 --> 01:19:31,560
if you were in two thousand and eight, you'd be going, man,

1302
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,399
he was ahead of his time, you know, and appreciating that.

1303
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:36,359
But being like I wish I read this a few

1304
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,960
years ago, it seems very much like something that at

1305
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,479
the time, in the spirit of anarchist library where we

1306
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,920
were reading this from, it seems like something that has

1307
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:48,800
posted very much at the time and has to be

1308
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,479
read at the time, digested and incorporated into the way

1309
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:53,800
that you think. But it was evident to me, it's

1310
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:55,960
probably evident to most of the listeners the way that

1311
01:19:56,079 --> 01:19:59,720
this works. They've probably seen a lot of their own trends,

1312
01:20:00,079 --> 01:20:07,560
co opted, made not rebellious in any sense. I don't know.

1313
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,319
I think for me it was. It would have been

1314
01:20:10,359 --> 01:20:12,359
good if we had read this in two thousand and six.

1315
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,000
But what it's pointing to is a playbook that definitely

1316
01:20:15,039 --> 01:20:16,479
hasn't changed since he wrote this.

1317
01:20:19,119 --> 01:20:24,279
Speaker 1: The playbook hasn't changed. But if they were going to

1318
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,680
use this, say two thousand and six, are using this

1319
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:31,279
as a playbook, and they're like, we're going to keep this,

1320
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:33,600
this is going to be our playbook going full they've

1321
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,399
gone completely off the rails with it. I mean they

1322
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:39,760
just have torn it up, and or they haven't even

1323
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:44,159
torn it up. They've decided to turn what he laid

1324
01:20:44,199 --> 01:20:48,720
out here into a parody because they've gone so far

1325
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:53,920
beyond what he lays out, which was a reality in

1326
01:20:54,039 --> 01:20:56,960
two thousand, in the early two thousands and could be

1327
01:20:57,039 --> 01:21:00,479
seen as a reality. I mean, now it's just a

1328
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:05,560
parody of anything that's he's talking about here, because, like

1329
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,600
I said, the other thing is they've just gone too far.

1330
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,560
Speaker 2: Well, here's the deal. There's also the element of George

1331
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:18,520
Soros inserting culture creators and political candidates into our government

1332
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:22,079
and making them more left and more extreme than the

1333
01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:26,319
previous guy that was there, So Ted probably, I don't

1334
01:21:26,319 --> 01:21:29,319
know if Ted was in on the fact that there

1335
01:21:29,359 --> 01:21:33,479
are outside influences trying to accelerate things to a greater

1336
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:36,600
and I don't use accelerate in the cool way, accelerate

1337
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:43,359
things into a very uncool, chaotic state of like Globo leftism.

1338
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:45,560
I don't think Ted could have known this in two

1339
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,800
thousand and five, but there is. This is not the

1340
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:52,039
only thing going on. Okay, the sketch is the sketch.

1341
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,920
It is not a metaphysics. It is not the way

1342
01:21:56,319 --> 01:22:01,159
everything inside of it works. It's a contained feel. It's

1343
01:22:01,279 --> 01:22:04,399
basically a game. It's a sport. There's other sports going

1344
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:10,520
on too, like candidates being selected placed in, disinformation agents

1345
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:15,199
being put throughout the news media. There's a lot of

1346
01:22:15,239 --> 01:22:17,479
things going on. That's That's the other thing that needs

1347
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:19,720
to be mentioned. He did not pick up on.

1348
01:22:20,359 --> 01:22:23,119
Speaker 1: Well, what's funny is Matt here just put a comment

1349
01:22:23,399 --> 01:22:25,079
and it's exactly what I was going to bring up.

1350
01:22:25,279 --> 01:22:27,680
I was going to bring up like the World Economic Forum.

1351
01:22:29,119 --> 01:22:31,560
I mean, I'm pretty sure that the majority of people

1352
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:33,760
don't know who the World Economic Forum is and know

1353
01:22:34,399 --> 01:22:37,800
what they started laying out the first week of June

1354
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:41,239
of last year. But you know, their plans for the

1355
01:22:41,319 --> 01:22:44,239
future in I mean, they had plans for the future,

1356
01:22:44,239 --> 01:22:47,119
they've had it all along. But when they started saying, okay,

1357
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,720
because of the way people are reacting to the COVID,

1358
01:22:50,079 --> 01:22:53,439
to this COVID nineteen thing, we can take this further.

1359
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:57,439
You know, you've basically given us you you have a

1360
01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,680
peace street. We've been looking at this Peach Street issh

1361
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:04,399
of how people have reacted, and oh, okay, cool, we

1362
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:06,760
can run with this now. And yeah, I mean there's

1363
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:10,039
when you start taking into consideration things like the World

1364
01:23:10,119 --> 01:23:13,199
Economic Forum, this essay kind of falls apart. You can

1365
01:23:13,319 --> 01:23:17,319
only use this essay right now for certain things. I

1366
01:23:17,359 --> 01:23:20,039
think you can use it for Antifa. I think you

1367
01:23:20,119 --> 01:23:27,159
can use it for even patriot prayer or those groups

1368
01:23:27,199 --> 01:23:30,800
that are on the ground. Who are the other ones,

1369
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:34,000
the Proud Boys Jesus of course, it's just a bunch

1370
01:23:34,039 --> 01:23:34,479
of dorks.

1371
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,039
Speaker 2: I mean, that's practically a department of the government.

1372
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes, pretty much. Well even if it wasn't.

1373
01:23:42,199 --> 01:23:44,720
Even if it wasn't, it would still be a department

1374
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,640
of the government because it would be doing the government's

1375
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:47,439
bidding at this point.

1376
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,279
Speaker 2: Ah, yes, I see, there you go. You just used ten.

1377
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. Of course, what was it? Popular liberty,

1378
01:23:54,920 --> 01:24:01,159
says JP Morgan, logos on LGBT Pride parade carrere is

1379
01:24:01,199 --> 01:24:02,279
the character of the left.

1380
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah, I mean the big banks having the

1381
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:11,119
Pride flag. There are police Pride cars.

1382
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,560
Speaker 1: Right in New York and Black Side Mountain here saying,

1383
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:21,600
so many FEDS and that is a product of the Internet.

1384
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:26,760
I mean you can basically people say shit on the

1385
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,399
Internet that gets them in trouble. They get a call

1386
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:33,359
from the FEDS, and now they're so scared they're like, okay,

1387
01:24:33,359 --> 01:24:36,439
I'll do anything you want. Or they go out and

1388
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:38,880
they protest and they you know, I mean, who's going

1389
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,520
to trust any of these people who get arrested for

1390
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:44,359
January sixth if they get out of jail like early.

1391
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:45,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no.

1392
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:46,039
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1393
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 2: Let's be clear about the language too. FEDS doesn't FEDS

1394
01:24:51,319 --> 01:24:55,359
basically means people I don't like. Like for me, FEDS

1395
01:24:55,399 --> 01:24:58,000
means people I don't like. It means anybody who I go,

1396
01:24:58,279 --> 01:25:00,239
I express this opinion and you're going to try take

1397
01:25:00,279 --> 01:25:02,920
my livelihood away, or you're gonna try and put me

1398
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:07,760
in jail. That's that's a FED. And there's millions of

1399
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:11,880
the millions, Pete, there's millions of FEDS.

1400
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:17,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are and there are some FEDS, actual Feds.

1401
01:25:19,399 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 2: Right, happy, did well?

1402
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,159
Speaker 1: And it's well, see to me, you're pretty well convinced

1403
01:25:23,199 --> 01:25:24,920
that I've I'm pretty well convinced that I've had three

1404
01:25:25,039 --> 01:25:26,279
or four FEDS on my show.

1405
01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 2: I'm right here, buddy. Why don't you Timeline Earth has

1406
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:32,000
fore coasts my friend.

1407
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 1: Well, I'm only convinced that one is a FED, and

1408
01:25:36,279 --> 01:25:37,439
and I just finished a series.

1409
01:25:38,119 --> 01:25:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna see it one day. Aaron is gonna

1410
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:48,279
buy on the FED and we're all gonna be like, yeah, fuck,

1411
01:25:48,399 --> 01:25:51,720
how did we not pin that one down? Have you

1412
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:54,039
met him yet in person?

1413
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1414
01:25:55,239 --> 01:25:58,279
Speaker 1: No, okay, yes, I've met him. Yeah, so I met

1415
01:25:58,319 --> 01:25:58,840
him in person.

1416
01:25:59,279 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 2: No, I met Carl.

1417
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:01,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a.

1418
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:07,319
Speaker 1: I haven't met Car in person. So, but yeah, Aaron

1419
01:26:07,359 --> 01:26:09,359
turns into a teddy bear when you meet him in person.

1420
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 4: In person, you know, I don't only.

1421
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like that. That creeps me out even more.

1422
01:26:16,199 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 3: I don't like it.

1423
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:19,239
Speaker 1: You've asked me, if you've asked me if I was

1424
01:26:19,239 --> 01:26:19,920
a fed before.

1425
01:26:20,039 --> 01:26:22,199
Speaker 2: So no, well, well you already know the answer to

1426
01:26:22,199 --> 01:26:22,399
that one.

1427
01:26:22,399 --> 01:26:24,119
Speaker 4: Remember the time I handed you my wallet.

1428
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 2: I think you were a little drunk. I don't really

1429
01:26:27,039 --> 01:26:28,680
know what the deal was, but you handed me your

1430
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:31,479
whole wallet and then you showed me your ID, your

1431
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:33,800
whole name. I knew, but I think I knew probably

1432
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:35,560
before almost anyone else.

1433
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 1: Did you knew before anyone? You knew before anyone else

1434
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:40,039
what my first name was?

1435
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 3: Oh?

1436
01:26:41,119 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 2: Really?

1437
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 3: Okay?

1438
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Oh god, I forgot what I was getting

1439
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:47,199
to there.

1440
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 1: John is right. If you want to see Pete go

1441
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:52,680
teddy Bear, put a charismatic.

1442
01:26:52,239 --> 01:26:53,119
Speaker 4: Dog in front of him.

1443
01:26:53,359 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 2: Oh, this is this is who I have seen His

1444
01:26:56,199 --> 01:26:57,079
dog rampage.

1445
01:26:57,720 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 1: His dog rampage just turns me in.

1446
01:27:00,039 --> 01:27:00,640
Speaker 3: It's anywhere.

1447
01:27:01,159 --> 01:27:02,359
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, that's awesome.

1448
01:27:03,239 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 1: You were saying, you were digress saying you said you

1449
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:06,039
wanted to ask.

1450
01:27:06,119 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, how does it feel to be dominating my timeline?

1451
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 3: Uh?

1452
01:27:12,079 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 2: For uh three weeks? Four weeks straight? How does that feel? Genuine?

1453
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:19,119
Speaker 4: What do you mean?

1454
01:27:19,239 --> 01:27:22,279
Speaker 2: You are every You're all over it. The subjects of

1455
01:27:22,359 --> 01:27:28,960
conversation that you have started is there's wars going on

1456
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:33,359
over this this stuff? How does this feel? Just from

1457
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:34,560
on a personal level.

1458
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:39,359
Speaker 4: I've gotten to you.

1459
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 1: Remember remember when I used to Remember when I used

1460
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:45,119
to put out stuff just to start ship, dude.

1461
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 2: Just the reason why I'm asking this question is because,

1462
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,640
unlike many other people I I we were hanging out

1463
01:27:51,159 --> 01:27:54,880
in a bar in Manhattan when you had started a

1464
01:27:55,039 --> 01:28:01,119
podcast maybe three months beforehand, and nobody knew who you were,

1465
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:06,640
and certainly nobody would start coming up with names. The

1466
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:10,880
Quinoniates is my absolute favorite thing I've ever seen. You

1467
01:28:11,039 --> 01:28:14,279
have a fan base name made by your enemies. The

1468
01:28:14,359 --> 01:28:17,520
Quinoniates is what they call your your fans.

1469
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:22,520
Speaker 1: It's the reason this hat exists is because one of

1470
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:28,119
my enemies drew it as a pejorative and then Top

1471
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:30,840
and then top Lobster jumped in and was like, hold on,

1472
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:31,800
wait a minute.

1473
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:35,039
Speaker 2: A legend, by the way, Top Lobster true legends.

1474
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 1: One of the one of the greatest people you will

1475
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:38,199
ever meet.

1476
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 2: Stud for sure, I can't wait to meet. I hope

1477
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:42,760
becomes a Childerberg. I hope everybody comes to Childerberg. This

1478
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:44,680
has to be the year we all got to come out.

1479
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:50,119
Speaker 1: Well, here's what I hope. I hope that what is

1480
01:28:50,279 --> 01:28:55,119
being discussed and what is being argued. I hope it's important.

1481
01:28:55,239 --> 01:28:57,279
Speaker 4: I hope.

1482
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:58,199
Speaker 3: How does it feel?

1483
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 4: That is, how does it feel?

1484
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:04,079
Speaker 2: How does it feel? First before what do you hope?

1485
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 1: Well, I mean how does it feel? It's yeah, I'm

1486
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:13,760
not someone who likes to be hated, not particularly, you know,

1487
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,760
so it's like, you know, I mean, it was like

1488
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,399
I was talking when I was talking with LB, I

1489
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,239
was saying, you know, it's like, I mean, I was

1490
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:23,159
one of the most loved people out there.

1491
01:29:23,279 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 3: You know.

1492
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:25,319
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, you were the an Cap guy and

1493
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:28,159
everything like that. You know, you're like the king, you know,

1494
01:29:28,199 --> 01:29:30,119
the King of the an Caps and everything like that.

1495
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,439
And now you're like this apostate, you know, who's you know,

1496
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:37,199
just asking these questions it shouldn't be asked. And you know,

1497
01:29:37,399 --> 01:29:40,399
Stefan Consella texts me today and it's like a freaking essay,

1498
01:29:41,079 --> 01:29:44,239
you know, you know.

1499
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:47,279
Speaker 2: And privilege and a nightmare at the same time.

1500
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 1: But I mean it's look, how does it feel? It

1501
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:59,359
feels good because I think that it's causing discussions to

1502
01:29:59,399 --> 01:30:00,520
be had that weren't before.

1503
01:30:01,039 --> 01:30:03,640
Speaker 2: Mm hmm yeah, which, yeah, for sure. It was a

1504
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:08,479
way to penetrate the dialogue about a transcendental principle nap

1505
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:10,760
that being that more, it was a way to get

1506
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,760
into that and go, hey, why do we accept this

1507
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:16,680
transcendental principle? You know me, I was like in the background,

1508
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:18,039
I was trying to go I was trying to go, hey,

1509
01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:21,279
what a transcendental principle? Hey, what else can we consider?

1510
01:30:21,359 --> 01:30:23,159
I was trying to do stuff in the background based

1511
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:25,159
off of that. But it was certainly the most I

1512
01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:28,199
remember when we got in with postmodernism. There was a

1513
01:30:28,239 --> 01:30:31,359
period of time when everyone in this community was very

1514
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:34,439
curious about postmodernism, and we I think, first of all,

1515
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:36,079
I think we were at the forefront of it. I

1516
01:30:36,119 --> 01:30:38,960
think Daddeus Russell was obviously the forefront of doing it generally.

1517
01:30:39,039 --> 01:30:41,439
But there was a wave. There's a wave that happened

1518
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:44,760
and we got in there, and that was interesting, and

1519
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:49,119
that was kind of like a people are talking about postmodernism,

1520
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:53,079
and now it's kind of like a you, Pete are

1521
01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:57,399
talking about this subject. It's really it's been weird. It's

1522
01:30:57,439 --> 01:30:59,600
also been weird again that people call you a Nazi

1523
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:03,520
and other weird things, because again I met you and

1524
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,479
nobody knew who you were, and it's just weird to

1525
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,199
see in a very short period of time. The people

1526
01:31:09,239 --> 01:31:12,439
who have never met you are like, oh, oh, the

1527
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:15,479
worst guy ever. This guy, it's like you. They blame

1528
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:18,520
you for things that happened four years before you you

1529
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:23,039
like popped up into like the primary spot. It's just

1530
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:23,960
it's weird.

1531
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,199
Speaker 1: And I'm just like someone who likes to get drunk

1532
01:31:27,279 --> 01:31:29,560
and sit at the end of the table and like

1533
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:31,880
eat meatballs and sausage.

1534
01:31:32,039 --> 01:31:35,319
Speaker 2: And we were at we were at a house party,

1535
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:38,560
and I believe what we did the entire three hours

1536
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:41,159
of the occasion was sit at the end of a

1537
01:31:41,239 --> 01:31:47,279
buffet table and crowd the rib tray. It was really introverted.

1538
01:31:47,399 --> 01:31:50,159
It was like a co We were like college students.

1539
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:56,079
Speaker 1: Yes, people walk by, hey Pete, Hey, hey, you doing

1540
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,119
NICHOLASTI walks by, hey Pete.

1541
01:31:59,119 --> 01:32:02,319
Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, how you doing? Nice jacket?

1542
01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:03,399
Speaker 3: Great?

1543
01:32:07,319 --> 01:32:09,079
Speaker 2: Did we say nice jacket to him?

1544
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:09,760
Speaker 3: Oh? No?

1545
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:12,560
Speaker 2: I feel like when it got when it got dark,

1546
01:32:13,399 --> 01:32:16,479
I forget what it was either me or you. Somebody said,

1547
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:18,600
do you think he's worn that one before?

1548
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,159
Speaker 3: That was y yeah? Yeah?

1549
01:32:27,159 --> 01:32:30,560
Speaker 1: Oh man, all right, well let's get out of here.

1550
01:32:31,199 --> 01:32:33,880
We're over an hour and a half, so thanks for

1551
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:38,920
coming back. On and next time, maybe we'll talk about

1552
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:40,960
somebody whose name actually got mentioned tonight.

1553
01:32:43,039 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll do that. Maybe we will do that.

1554
01:32:46,039 --> 01:32:48,159
Speaker 1: Oh you want to give plugs about your what you

1555
01:32:48,279 --> 01:32:49,000
do and all that?

1556
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:51,640
Speaker 3: U t l E.

1557
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:57,720
Speaker 2: Timeline Earth podcast That is Pete's favorite crypto zoology and

1558
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:01,520
comedy podcast. By the way, that's pete favorite. So check

1559
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:01,840
it out.

1560
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:07,760
Speaker 4: Uh, I never I've never missed an episode, dude.

1561
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:13,119
Speaker 2: It's great, legendary. You can find it on any podcast place.

1562
01:33:13,159 --> 01:33:15,159
You can find me a t l. E. Bird Archiss.

1563
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:17,760
You don't have to follow who cares about that? Just

1564
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:18,680
listen to the podcast.

1565
01:33:19,199 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 1: Go follow a car.

1566
01:33:21,399 --> 01:33:22,680
Speaker 2: Don't don't do that.

1567
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:24,319
Speaker 4: Go follow Aaron.

1568
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you can find what his account is. We

1569
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:31,520
have one co host who's locked, we have one cost

1570
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:35,720
me who's stalled at just under six thousand followers for

1571
01:33:36,039 --> 01:33:38,840
months now months, and then we have Aaron who can't

1572
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:44,399
keep an account for more than two weeks to get

1573
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:45,239
banned every time.

1574
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I retweet him trying to get him banned.

1575
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:54,119
All right, brother, take care.

1576
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

1577
01:33:56,359 --> 01:33:59,720
Speaker 3: I think that I like to fuck up. You're going

1578
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:03,319
to terms on purpose because that triggers them even more so,

1579
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:07,119
Like I'll call Italian spicks and stuff like that, just

1580
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:14,680
just they think I'm down, so put over, Well, why

1581
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:17,000
don't you go to back to coast of Mexo Rica,

1582
01:34:17,119 --> 01:34:21,479
you fucking wop? I was like that.

1583
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 1: I was like eight years old when I found out

1584
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:25,439
that what met without papers?

1585
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:34,199
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I like that.

1586
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:40,279
Speaker 1: Well, you know what's funny is uncle Ted wouldn't like

1587
01:34:40,359 --> 01:34:42,439
any of these, like any of this language, because he's

1588
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:43,560
just your typical boomer.

1589
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:51,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's like, uh, uncle Ted was not PC. No,

1590
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:55,039
he wasn't either. It was neither a PC or anti PC.

1591
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:59,600
He was like, grow up. The guy had i Q

1592
01:35:00,319 --> 01:35:06,039
one hundred and sixty seven. Yeah, slantedly so in mathematics

1593
01:35:06,159 --> 01:35:11,439
like that, just that would drive anyone nuts. That'd be

1594
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:14,600
like if you or I walked around the world but

1595
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:17,840
we were perpetually stuck in fourth grade but we had

1596
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:20,359
an adult brain, but everyone else was still nine?

1597
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:25,600
Speaker 1: You know, isn't that That isn't the watten Well starting.

1598
01:35:25,359 --> 01:35:30,359
Speaker 3: To feel like that anywhere? Uncle Ted's got like twenty

1599
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:33,720
points on me. I still probably got points on others.

1600
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:36,880
I can't imagine having I can't imagine being that.

1601
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 1: Guy, Like I mean, Normy conversations now are just.

1602
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 3: Dude, I do.

1603
01:35:45,399 --> 01:35:47,520
Speaker 4: I mean, it's like, come on.

1604
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:52,239
Speaker 3: I brought you tell you something before we get going quick,

1605
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:56,760
like a reverse culture shocking. So in Japan I don't

1606
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:59,279
have Well, first of all, they don't dare it. They're

1607
01:35:59,319 --> 01:36:02,479
just quiet and trains and stuff. But like in a

1608
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:04,600
cafe or something, they'll be talking to each other, but

1609
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:07,039
at a volume where you'd have to try to listen

1610
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:09,359
if you want to listen. And because it's in a

1611
01:36:09,399 --> 01:36:13,039
second language, I have to like care to hear it, right,

1612
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:17,199
But in America people are just loud everywhere and it's English,

1613
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:20,640
so I just I have to know what they're saying.

1614
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:24,520
There's no avoiding it, you know. And uh the gap, man,

1615
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:30,039
It's like the stuff people in America talk about was

1616
01:36:30,039 --> 01:36:35,079
just so vacid and stupidly like chroscopes and just you know,

1617
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:39,560
the dumbest shit. I'm like, how long can somebody talk

1618
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:42,560
about TV movies or whatever? Like what help? There's no

1619
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:47,640
like real discussion about anything, And I just felt trapped me.

1620
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:50,800
I couldn't get out of there quick enough. Just being

1621
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:55,159
at the airport hearing idiots talk to each other be crazy.

1622
01:36:56,279 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think you know, I go out to

1623
01:37:00,039 --> 01:37:03,159
at least a restaurant at least once a week here,

1624
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:11,680
and it's yeah loud, and people are really proud of

1625
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:15,279
the fact of what they're talking about, even if it

1626
01:37:15,399 --> 01:37:17,680
I mean, if you're talking about family.

1627
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:22,079
Speaker 3: Everyone can repeat the news. Yeah yeah, yeah, if you

1628
01:37:22,199 --> 01:37:24,600
I'll tell you what I think you think I heard

1629
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:25,399
ten minutes ago.

1630
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:30,520
Speaker 1: Well, if they're talking about family, that's one hundred percent,

1631
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:33,079
you know, probably the most important thing on the planet.

1632
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:37,000
But when they start getting it, I mean, I mean, okay,

1633
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,720
I can sit and talk about sports, but I just

1634
01:37:41,039 --> 01:37:45,279
don't do it because it's just we're so far beyond

1635
01:37:45,399 --> 01:37:47,239
that at this point. If people still want I mean,

1636
01:37:47,239 --> 01:37:49,159
I still have friends and people that I respect who

1637
01:37:49,199 --> 01:37:51,680
watch sports as a you know, as an outlet of

1638
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:54,680
something or just as tradition. You know, I live in

1639
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:59,000
a freaking college town with a SEC football you know,

1640
01:37:59,199 --> 01:38:00,079
and so it's.

1641
01:38:00,119 --> 01:38:03,520
Speaker 3: Oh, I know, I know how it is. You're not

1642
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:07,039
going to get a heated like like standing up pointing

1643
01:38:07,079 --> 01:38:11,000
fingers at each other road really like we're in the

1644
01:38:11,039 --> 01:38:12,960
break of uclear war. I don't give this ship who

1645
01:38:13,159 --> 01:38:17,399
won the sportsball game anymore? Like I don't know so,

1646
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:20,279
but you know it is yeah, when you.

1647
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:24,640
Speaker 1: Now, let's bring this all the way to our uncle.

1648
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:27,920
I mean, this is exactly what he was writing. This

1649
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:29,399
is exactly what he was writing about.

1650
01:38:31,079 --> 01:38:34,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's why people watch my show say

1651
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:35,800
anti garbage.

1652
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:38,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's why.

1653
01:38:38,359 --> 01:38:41,279
Speaker 3: I mean, like, look at the Ukraine covers. There's like

1654
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:45,800
maybe twenty of us given accurate news. Yeah you know

1655
01:38:46,159 --> 01:38:46,560
like that.

1656
01:38:48,279 --> 01:38:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you can't even even people that I

1657
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:54,000
that I pretty much agree with on a lot of things,

1658
01:38:54,079 --> 01:38:58,239
like you know, like freaking Hoppians Hoppians with Ukraine flags

1659
01:38:58,319 --> 01:39:01,600
in there. I mean, I really don't want to get

1660
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:04,880
into Ukraine because the the ideas I have for what's

1661
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:09,439
going actually going on there are we'll get us taken

1662
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:10,760
down off a lot of platforms.

1663
01:39:11,279 --> 01:39:14,319
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's just oh yeah, so how much to

1664
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:16,479
have to self censor what? Oh?

1665
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:19,079
Speaker 1: I mean this isn't going to go Yeah, this isn't

1666
01:39:19,079 --> 01:39:19,960
going to go on YouTube.

1667
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 5: I mean you know, I was like I was just

1668
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:25,560
anything I say, not even high I'm Ryan Dawson, Like

1669
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:29,279
I wouldn't even put that on. Yeah, we'll be there. Well,

1670
01:39:29,319 --> 01:39:31,439
the thing you want to keep, Well, the thing is

1671
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:34,359
is that you know, if we're going to talk about Ukraine.

1672
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:36,880
It's going to be everything is going You're going to

1673
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:39,359
be ringing that bell every five seconds.

1674
01:39:40,159 --> 01:39:43,199
Speaker 3: So yeah, I know, it's just like a fire alarm.

1675
01:39:45,159 --> 01:39:48,439
Yeah well, I mean that's my you. I don't know

1676
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:50,640
if you've seen my subjects about it, but I right

1677
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:53,520
early on, I was like, let's name them all. Here's

1678
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:56,079
all the governors, here's the Prime minister, here's the president,

1679
01:39:57,079 --> 01:40:00,319
here's all the guys. They're all Jews, Like, just that's

1680
01:40:00,359 --> 01:40:02,600
why we're there. It's not in American interests. Just like

1681
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:04,680
a rock, this is not in our national interests. This

1682
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:05,600
is in their interest.

1683
01:40:06,119 --> 01:40:09,800
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, it has more resources than

1684
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:14,119
Palestine does, so maybe just maybe.

1685
01:40:16,279 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 3: Well they have a huge human trafficking ring there for

1686
01:40:19,119 --> 01:40:19,880
three decades.

1687
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:26,239
Speaker 1: But yeah, I know, you know, and you feel bad.

1688
01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:29,319
Speaker 3: It was hilarious because I was watching the Duran and

1689
01:40:29,399 --> 01:40:31,640
they're they're very accurate on just like this is this

1690
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:34,359
is happening on the battlefield, and this is this happening,

1691
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:37,960
and but somebody with some guesses on there like what

1692
01:40:38,159 --> 01:40:40,520
you know, but but why why are we so anti

1693
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:43,159
Russia and pro Ukraine? Like what do we get out

1694
01:40:43,199 --> 01:40:47,800
of it? Oh? Like, wave, what did Pruden do to

1695
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:50,520
piss them off? I wonder what did he actually do

1696
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:53,439
now I get accused of who did he actually jail

1697
01:40:53,479 --> 01:41:00,920
and throw out of the country? Was at eskimos nos Materians? No,

1698
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:02,680
there's even a lot of people.

1699
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:05,359
Speaker 1: There's even a lot of people questioning that whether Putin,

1700
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:08,600
whether Putin is being controlled by the tribe as well.

1701
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:11,960
Speaker 3: I know there's that's the Adam of green retards and

1702
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:14,520
stuff like, oh yeah, he's controlled by the tribe. That's

1703
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:18,760
why he helped build a nuclear program and ran defended

1704
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:22,279
Syria and rested Jewish billionaires and put in prison because

1705
01:41:22,319 --> 01:41:25,000
he's so zogged, like yeah, but he's got a picture

1706
01:41:25,079 --> 01:41:29,960
with howbad? Like so there's a picture of Abamba and

1707
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:35,640
Gaddafi too, How that go? Rum felt in Saddam too?

1708
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:36,279
How'd that go?

1709
01:41:37,159 --> 01:41:37,359
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1710
01:41:37,399 --> 01:41:38,119
Speaker 3: Those that one?

1711
01:41:38,199 --> 01:41:41,319
Speaker 1: What was it from Tito's funeral where you have Saddam

1712
01:41:41,399 --> 01:41:43,800
and Rumsfelder just like walking down the street, just talking,

1713
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:46,560
having a conversation. And they've scrubbed that from the internet

1714
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:48,159
and that video.

1715
01:41:48,359 --> 01:41:52,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's before Rummy was the head of the deity,

1716
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:59,159
but the deity at that time, I can't remember.

1717
01:41:59,239 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 1: I can't find that video it's been like seven years

1718
01:42:02,079 --> 01:42:04,640
since I was doing all my Yugoslavia research.

1719
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:09,560
Speaker 3: That one where the real famous one where Rumsfeld shaking

1720
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:13,159
his hand. You can see Farland in the back left.

1721
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:18,800
It wasn't just Rommy. I mean, they're all it's been

1722
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:22,159
this way since they killed Kennedy. But like that's such

1723
01:42:22,159 --> 01:42:24,840
a big pill to swallow for people who haven't been initiated.

1724
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:27,319
It can't can't like start off with that. You say

1725
01:42:27,399 --> 01:42:30,800
something like that, they just roll their eyes, okay, yeah.

1726
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:32,159
Speaker 2: Or you know, the.

1727
01:42:34,319 --> 01:42:35,560
Speaker 1: The rampant you know how.

1728
01:42:36,319 --> 01:42:39,000
Speaker 4: I think it was Jeremy R. Hammond.

1729
01:42:39,039 --> 01:42:41,039
Speaker 1: I think said he said that you don't even really

1730
01:42:41,199 --> 01:42:44,319
need like APEC doesn't even need to exist in this

1731
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:49,399
country because of Christianity, because of Protestant Christianity and their

1732
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:56,159
obsession they're Christian Zionism. Thank you thanks to Samuel Samuel

1733
01:42:56,239 --> 01:43:01,079
Intermeyer Ding Publishing the helping to publish a Schofield Bible,

1734
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:02,399
which isn't that.

1735
01:43:02,479 --> 01:43:05,399
Speaker 3: Bell one of the best concepts I ever did.

1736
01:43:06,119 --> 01:43:07,039
Speaker 4: That's so good, Like.

1737
01:43:09,279 --> 01:43:12,000
Speaker 3: You can't clip me saying jew and you can't prove

1738
01:43:12,119 --> 01:43:14,640
the bell to do. I'm like, whoa, hey, I didn't

1739
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:18,520
notice that pattern you did. I was just saying it's

1740
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:21,920
a merchant bell, what are you talking about? Cool? It's

1741
01:43:22,039 --> 01:43:24,199
just like the guy that goes up to somebody he says,

1742
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:27,680
what's your least favorite race? And the one was like

1743
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:30,279
are we talking about people? I learn you're skinning is.

1744
01:43:30,399 --> 01:43:32,199
I can't believe you took it in that direction. I

1745
01:43:32,319 --> 01:43:39,920
was saying, like box and Marathon, or like, oh man,

1746
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:44,520
so this is not to get in.

1747
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:47,560
Speaker 1: This is not to be a political revolution. It's object

1748
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:50,319
will be to overthrow not governments, but the economic and

1749
01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:52,760
technological basis of the president society.

1750
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:59,279
Speaker 3: Yep, that's an opening paragraph. Yeah, he's right because you

1751
01:43:59,359 --> 01:44:01,680
can't fid little, you can't feel the fuck around with

1752
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:06,079
the types of government whatever, top down, because you can't

1753
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:10,640
change that until you change the base anyway. But yeah,

1754
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:14,399
he I think, And it's really he's a child prodigy, right,

1755
01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:17,239
and so they're like, oh, how can we use this

1756
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:21,920
genius math kid for ourselves? Never asked him what he

1757
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:25,119
wanted to do or personal autonomy, just like, oh, we

1758
01:44:25,239 --> 01:44:27,840
have an opportunity here. This kid's weird at math, let's

1759
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:32,720
use them for the system. Disgusting. I'm kind of in

1760
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:35,600
that situation. My middle child is like super smart and

1761
01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:39,800
math and and I'm like, just let him have a

1762
01:44:40,159 --> 01:44:42,239
very easy a and all those math guys they want

1763
01:44:42,279 --> 01:44:45,079
to advance them and all I'm like, why you do

1764
01:44:45,159 --> 01:44:51,520
a lot of computers anyway? Chill? Yeah.

1765
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:55,359
Speaker 1: Or they just look everything as a resource. I mean,

1766
01:44:55,359 --> 01:44:58,680
there's a reason why HR why it's called HR human resources.

1767
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:03,760
Everything every they're looking for humans to resource, and once

1768
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:07,439
they get them, they use them up and throw them away.

1769
01:45:08,399 --> 01:45:11,560
Speaker 3: All right. They can't sustain this technological system without having

1770
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:15,319
all these people specializing in different disciplines, and they don't

1771
01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:19,560
stop and ask or reflect on how this has affected

1772
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:24,960
us on macro level psychology psychologically. Well, let's let's go ahead,

1773
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:26,920
and so we'll start it off.

1774
01:45:27,199 --> 01:45:29,760
Speaker 1: We'll get in all that, so let's ask questions. So

1775
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:34,880
you know, when we get to part six of the Manifesto,

1776
01:45:35,079 --> 01:45:39,239
it's called the psychology of modern Leftism. Do you do

1777
01:45:39,359 --> 01:45:43,720
you believe that the reason why he just completely annihilated

1778
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:46,359
uses the next what I think thirty one sections to

1779
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:50,039
annihilate the left is because he would see them as

1780
01:45:50,119 --> 01:45:54,560
they're his natural ally in the fight that he you

1781
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:58,159
know that he's proposing, But of course, because they're so

1782
01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:03,239
caught up in stuff. That's you know, it's twenty twenty

1783
01:46:03,279 --> 01:46:06,560
two and I have to post on Twitter that slavery

1784
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:07,079
is wrong.

1785
01:46:08,319 --> 01:46:12,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that you have to say all slavery

1786
01:46:12,359 --> 01:46:15,439
was wrong, not just the American South in the eighteen fifties,

1787
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:18,880
like the slaves we have in Livia, the slats shop

1788
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:22,720
labor in China. The current slavery right, but it's not wrong.

1789
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:25,720
They they don't really think it's wrong. They're like kicking

1790
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:29,399
a dead horse. They love wearing the crown and doing

1791
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:32,279
a victory dance for the problems of yesteryear so that

1792
01:46:32,319 --> 01:46:35,319
they don't have to face what's going on now. So

1793
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:38,760
he started that in Ted. That's in Ted's writing too,

1794
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:42,000
a different writing than the that's in the System's Neatest trick.

1795
01:46:42,359 --> 01:46:47,039
You're just like, hooray me, I don't hate Kay's. They're like, well,

1796
01:46:47,399 --> 01:46:49,039
just the whole culture agrees.

1797
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:53,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've actually read I've actually read that whole

1798
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:56,479
thing on an episode and you know, basically show how

1799
01:46:57,199 --> 01:46:59,560
you know, in two thousand and five, he's saying, here's

1800
01:46:59,560 --> 01:47:01,520
what ends TIFA is going to do. This is how

1801
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:03,319
the system is going to use. Then this is how

1802
01:47:03,399 --> 01:47:05,520
the system is going to use you know, how he

1803
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:08,960
predicted the twenty twenty riots and everything, and basically everything

1804
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:10,199
that's happening right now.

1805
01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:13,840
Speaker 3: Is even calls in like social justice and all that

1806
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:16,199
in the manifesto he wrote thirty five years ago.

1807
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but you know, but hey, hey, all this

1808
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:27,199
is is him copying al Gore's book from nineteen ninety two.

1809
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:32,000
You know that, right, because because Stoner, Yeah, because you

1810
01:47:32,079 --> 01:47:36,960
know he picked them because rush Limbaugh cherry picked a

1811
01:47:37,079 --> 01:47:39,439
bunch of a couple of lines from this and a

1812
01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:41,920
couple of lines from al Gore's book to show how

1813
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:45,279
al Gore is no different than the unibomber. That's like

1814
01:47:45,359 --> 01:47:48,239
everybody called you know, everybody's Hitler nowadays. So you know,

1815
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:51,680
rush Limbaugh is to say, anybody who has any environmental

1816
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:54,840
concerns is you know, is obviously and I mean we

1817
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:56,159
know al Gore is a piece of shit.

1818
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:59,159
Speaker 3: But al Gord the thing is he doesn't actually have

1819
01:47:59,279 --> 01:48:01,399
the environmental vehicles.

1820
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:03,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean clearly in that book when you

1821
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:06,800
look at that book. In the first in Al's book,

1822
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:11,640
the first chapter, he says, the two great the two

1823
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:15,880
greatest organizations that will that can be used to fight

1824
01:48:16,079 --> 01:48:21,479
are the American Left and the American military. Yeah wow,

1825
01:48:22,279 --> 01:48:25,800
I'm okay, So okay, the American military, which is the

1826
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:27,119
biggest polluter on the planet.

1827
01:48:30,319 --> 01:48:31,319
Speaker 3: In the American left too.

1828
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:35,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like okay, so yeah, that's exactly exactly

1829
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:37,920
what you know Ted was talking about.

1830
01:48:38,439 --> 01:48:42,399
Speaker 3: Like the lefts against nuclear power. Why well, it has

1831
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:45,439
this fancy science word in it. That's why they're so

1832
01:48:45,640 --> 01:48:48,800
anti science. And they're always like saying they're the Party

1833
01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:50,960
of Science, and like, you don't know how many genders

1834
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:55,239
there are, right, you don't know how energy works? You

1835
01:48:55,279 --> 01:49:00,720
think electric car electricity just comes from what mad or something.

1836
01:49:01,239 --> 01:49:03,600
I don't use gas, I plug it in, Like, where's

1837
01:49:03,640 --> 01:49:08,600
the power coming from? From the wall? Yeah, where did

1838
01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:12,199
that come from? Using coal? Exactly?

1839
01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:14,520
Speaker 1: You ever see that, like the oil leaks of the

1840
01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:17,319
of the the wind from the wind farms, from the

1841
01:49:17,399 --> 01:49:23,159
freaking thing, the freaking windmills and every those windmills leaking

1842
01:49:23,279 --> 01:49:26,159
oil everywhere you should get.

1843
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:29,560
Speaker 3: You can free to replay this as an interview I

1844
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:32,199
did with Carl Zen injuries and economists, and we just

1845
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:36,960
ripped on the bullshit of green energy, and then we

1846
01:49:37,079 --> 01:49:41,159
got into thorium, Like the nuclear power we ought to use,

1847
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:43,479
we don't because you can't build a bomb out of it.

1848
01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:47,039
Speaker 1: Yep, sal thorium, yep. So all right, all right, so

1849
01:49:47,159 --> 01:49:49,960
he says, and this is one of the most interesting

1850
01:49:50,039 --> 01:49:52,079
things is when he jumps right in and he says,

1851
01:49:52,159 --> 01:49:54,880
you know, we have what exactly is a leftist.

1852
01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:55,199
Speaker 3: We don't.

1853
01:49:55,199 --> 01:49:57,520
Speaker 1: It's not even clear what you can call a leftist.

1854
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:00,520
And he says, when we speak of leftists and this article,

1855
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:05,319
we have in mind mainly socialist, collectivists, political correct types, feminists,

1856
01:50:05,439 --> 01:50:09,720
gay and disability activists, animal activist, animal.

1857
01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:10,840
Speaker 3: Rights psychological type.

1858
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:14,319
Speaker 1: Yes, right, yes, this is the kind of people who

1859
01:50:14,359 --> 01:50:17,760
put on a pussy hat and march, you know, you know,

1860
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:22,279
would march against fascism and against you know that Trump

1861
01:50:22,439 --> 01:50:24,680
is going to destroy the environment. When they just flew

1862
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:26,439
there on private planes.

1863
01:50:27,279 --> 01:50:32,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a selective outrage of whatever this system has

1864
01:50:32,239 --> 01:50:35,479
already approved. So it's like, oh, I get a pat

1865
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:39,079
on the head if I voice these opinions which have

1866
01:50:39,199 --> 01:50:42,560
already been settled. And so they're out there again. They're

1867
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:46,439
fighting the problems of yesteryear, like you'll never completely stamp

1868
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:50,439
out every vestige of racism or whatever. I have a

1869
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:55,039
friend like that. It's just like mad at neo Nazis online.

1870
01:50:55,479 --> 01:50:58,399
I thought, Wow, that's you got real problems. People are

1871
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:01,760
mean on the internet. Oh my, and like which institution,

1872
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:06,039
which university, which state, which corporation, Which any of them

1873
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are white supremacists? Besides the Nazis in Ukraine like none,

1874
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they're all vehemently opposed to it. Like everybody agrees on this.

1875
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:18,680
The Nazis are gone, and so they just spend all

1876
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their time doing that, like I'm saying the approved thing.

1877
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:25,399
But Ted gets way deeper than just oh their vertasingly.

1878
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:27,920
He really nails it well.

1879
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Speaker 1: He says the two psychological tendencies that under underlie modern

1880
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leftism we call feelings of inferiority and over socialization.

1881
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Speaker 3: Nailed it, And I remember reading that in high school

1882
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:44,720
and thinking, this is what I've been trying to. Like,

1883
01:51:45,079 --> 01:51:48,479
I knew the feelings of inferiority part. You could notice

1884
01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:50,720
that right away, right with a lot of these people.

1885
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:54,439
But you don't care about any of these marginalized groups.

1886
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:58,199
And it's almost always on behalf of another. You notice

1887
01:51:58,199 --> 01:52:00,840
that they don't even belong to the group that it's

1888
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:06,000
allegedly being oppressed. It's more of like they in their

1889
01:52:06,079 --> 01:52:12,039
mind have categories of superiority and inferiority. But they don't

1890
01:52:12,159 --> 01:52:15,000
like that concept because a loser hates the idea of

1891
01:52:15,079 --> 01:52:19,560
superior and inferior. But they still see certain groups as inferior,

1892
01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:22,319
and so they feel, like Paul, they have to level

1893
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of all these up. It's something lesser than now type

1894
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of thing.

1895
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Speaker 4: It's something I wrote the other day.

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Speaker 3: It's you.

1897
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Speaker 1: I was talking about basically the war on white people

1898
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and the war on whiteness in the United States, and

1899
01:52:35,119 --> 01:52:37,960
I said, and I can't even say it's a war

1900
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on white people. I have to say it's a war

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01:52:39,960 --> 01:52:42,960
on white men because so many white women are the

1902
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ones leading the war.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a war unperceived superiority. And it's not the

1904
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:54,079
white men walking around saying they're superior. It's the perceptions

1905
01:52:54,319 --> 01:52:57,319
of the ones that are flipping out. They hate and

1906
01:52:57,439 --> 01:53:01,920
Ted talks about us time period. They hate whiteness because

1907
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:04,119
they see it as superior. They I'm not saying it is,

1908
01:53:04,439 --> 01:53:07,600
they think it is. They don't like Christianity because that's

1909
01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:10,399
the dominant religion, and they want anything that's not normative.

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You know, they interpret any any language at all as

1911
01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:19,079
being against gagementorities, et cetera. Because they feel their inferior.

1912
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They hate rationality, they hate reason, they favor cultural relativism,

1913
01:53:24,479 --> 01:53:27,560
they favor all the inferior positions, and these are all

1914
01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:31,319
inferior in their own head, right. They don't like science,

1915
01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:34,319
real science, you know. Oh no, it's just what we

1916
01:53:34,479 --> 01:53:38,119
identify and you can just whatever. They hate all that

1917
01:53:38,239 --> 01:53:42,399
stuff because they feel like they hate capitalism and they

1918
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hate anything that's considered better and normative.

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01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:52,479
Speaker 1: Talking about how they don't even aren't even upset about

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01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:56,920
themselves is He says. Those who are most sensitive about

1921
01:53:56,960 --> 01:54:00,840
politically incorrect terminology are not the average black ghetto dwell

1922
01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:04,720
or Asian immigrant, abused woman, or disabled person, but a

1923
01:54:04,840 --> 01:54:07,960
minority of activists, many of whom do not even belong

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01:54:08,079 --> 01:54:10,920
to any oppressed group, but come from the privileged strata

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01:54:10,920 --> 01:54:14,359
of society. It's something that my friend Ziman says. He says,

1926
01:54:14,399 --> 01:54:19,079
the average, this the average kind of person that he's

1927
01:54:19,119 --> 01:54:23,399
talking about right here, lives a more white supremacist life

1928
01:54:23,479 --> 01:54:25,800
than the average you know, the a person who would

1929
01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:27,680
actually call themselves a white percent it's white.

1930
01:54:28,840 --> 01:54:34,319
Speaker 3: It's the Marsive Vineyard people, you know. It's I pointed

1931
01:54:34,359 --> 01:54:38,600
that out back when about the the pipeline that went

1932
01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:43,600
through Native American land. Almost no Native Americans were protesting

1933
01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:46,279
or saying anything. It was all like white liberals on

1934
01:54:46,359 --> 01:54:49,840
their behalf saying not to put a pipeline there, and

1935
01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:52,359
a lot of the Indians are like, no, he would,

1936
01:54:52,479 --> 01:54:56,600
we want a pipeline that's money like what you need? Know, No,

1937
01:54:56,760 --> 01:55:02,880
it'll tear up what the grass whatever. It's always on

1938
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:07,640
behalf of another though you'll see this too. The most rapid,

1939
01:55:07,760 --> 01:55:12,640
the most like avid environmentalists are live in urban centers

1940
01:55:12,680 --> 01:55:15,319
of every modern convenience there is. But they want to

1941
01:55:15,359 --> 01:55:17,359
tell other people how they have to live and how

1942
01:55:17,439 --> 01:55:20,520
land should be preserved, you know, somewhere else where they

1943
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:25,359
don't live and boss other people around. And it's also

1944
01:55:25,399 --> 01:55:28,920
it's just like a a do good or theme by

1945
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:35,199
which people can exercise their control freak mentality. And you

1946
01:55:35,279 --> 01:55:37,239
get always like, well, I'm doing I'm not doing this

1947
01:55:37,279 --> 01:55:38,960
because I'm a control freak. I'm doing it on behalf

1948
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:42,000
of the environment, or to fight racism or some other ill.

1949
01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:45,239
Speaker 1: But it's that you know you're not right. Well, it's

1950
01:55:45,279 --> 01:55:47,920
also what he says here. Many leftists have an in

1951
01:55:48,079 --> 01:55:50,640
sense identification with the problems of groups that have an

1952
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:55,920
image of being weak, women, defeated, American Indians, repellent homosexuals,

1953
01:55:56,399 --> 01:56:00,359
and other and other inferior. The leftists themselves feel that

1954
01:56:00,439 --> 01:56:05,840
these groups are inferior. They by championing these groups, they

1955
01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:09,720
clearly say. Remember when I guess this was twenty seventeen

1956
01:56:09,800 --> 01:56:14,359
or twenty eighteen, we who wrote it was Salon or

1957
01:56:14,399 --> 01:56:17,199
it might have been Mother Jones wrote an article saying

1958
01:56:17,279 --> 01:56:22,800
that black African Americans were more susceptible to Russian propaganda

1959
01:56:23,479 --> 01:56:24,319
than anyone else.

1960
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:29,159
Speaker 3: Well, I mean a better example is when they went

1961
01:56:29,239 --> 01:56:34,039
around asking white liberal college kids about voter ID and

1962
01:56:34,119 --> 01:56:36,800
they thought, yeah, vote id's racist because you know, blacks

1963
01:56:36,840 --> 01:56:39,199
and Hispanics don't know how to get a driver's license

1964
01:56:39,279 --> 01:56:40,000
or have a computer.

1965
01:56:42,279 --> 01:56:44,920
Speaker 1: And then somebody I can't remember who it was, went

1966
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:48,319
into like Harlem and said, if you needed to get

1967
01:56:48,319 --> 01:56:50,079
an idea to vote, where would you go? And they're like, oh,

1968
01:56:50,239 --> 01:56:52,239
the driver's license, bure right, that's right down there.

1969
01:56:53,199 --> 01:56:59,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. I mean, obviously, people divorced from reality

1970
01:56:59,239 --> 01:57:04,159
just think of minorities like their children, you know, perpetual children.

1971
01:57:04,199 --> 01:57:08,600
They're so infantilizing and they look down on them. And yeah,

1972
01:57:08,640 --> 01:57:11,159
I hear this all the time, and people who don't

1973
01:57:11,199 --> 01:57:16,159
think they're racists usually are. They're like, oh, but I

1974
01:57:16,279 --> 01:57:19,960
have lots of filling the blank friends like yeah, because

1975
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:21,399
that makes you feel good about yourself.

1976
01:57:21,640 --> 01:57:24,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then I know I know people who are

1977
01:57:24,199 --> 01:57:26,760
like yeah, I mean I know that I possess racism.

1978
01:57:27,199 --> 01:57:29,039
And those are usually the people who are just like

1979
01:57:30,640 --> 01:57:34,039
we there when it comes down to it, they're not

1980
01:57:34,239 --> 01:57:36,640
saying that, you know, they're saying they just don't want

1981
01:57:36,680 --> 01:57:38,760
to live around certain people. They're not saying I don't.

1982
01:57:39,079 --> 01:57:41,319
I mean, some may be saying that they're inferior or whatever,

1983
01:57:41,439 --> 01:57:42,239
but it's really just.

1984
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:47,119
Speaker 3: Well if you if you no one wants to try

1985
01:57:47,159 --> 01:57:48,920
on that a little bit. If you ask a couple

1986
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:52,039
of questions, you find out it's not really a belief

1987
01:57:52,119 --> 01:57:55,560
in genetic supremacy or anything. It's just people are certain

1988
01:57:55,720 --> 01:57:59,199
subcultures over others, and they have a loud television and

1989
01:57:59,279 --> 01:58:04,840
other things to give a prescription, uh to like this

1990
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:07,399
is this is black culture, This is this culture, this

1991
01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:12,680
is that culture, and it's not it's just all Hollywood garbage. Yeah, well,

1992
01:58:12,720 --> 01:58:15,399
there's no there's no way all blacks are supposed to

1993
01:58:15,439 --> 01:58:17,760
think like this. And they're supposed to talk like this,

1994
01:58:18,079 --> 01:58:23,199
like what are you talking about? Dog? That's so stupid,

1995
01:58:23,359 --> 01:58:29,039
But they every every Pundit's like the black community. I'm like, really, well,

1996
01:58:29,079 --> 01:58:31,720
they all get together and agree on something. What are

1997
01:58:31,760 --> 01:58:32,439
you talking about?

1998
01:58:33,479 --> 01:58:37,479
Speaker 1: It's like that South that South Park episode when Randy says,

1999
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:43,359
nigger on what is will of fortune? And then he's

2000
01:58:43,399 --> 01:58:44,279
like that.

2001
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:46,760
Speaker 3: Yes.

2002
01:58:47,239 --> 01:58:50,880
Speaker 1: Stand Stan goes to Token and says, well, my brother,

2003
01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:53,720
you know my father apologized to Jesse Jackson. He's like,

2004
01:58:53,800 --> 01:59:00,319
Jesse Jackson is not the pope of black People's said,

2005
01:59:02,159 --> 01:59:05,279
all right, So feminists are desperately anxious to prove that

2006
01:59:05,359 --> 01:59:08,479
women are as strong and as capable as men. Clearly,

2007
01:59:08,640 --> 01:59:10,800
they are nagged by a fear that women may not

2008
01:59:11,000 --> 01:59:13,119
be as strong and as capable as men.

2009
01:59:14,319 --> 01:59:19,239
Speaker 3: Obvious obviously. And I feel that you could apply that

2010
01:59:19,399 --> 01:59:24,840
to any kind of militantly anti racist person, Like if

2011
01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:27,760
I went up to you out of the blue and

2012
01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:29,760
just started I did a video of this. I just

2013
01:59:29,880 --> 01:59:32,640
started talking about how I have lots of friends who

2014
01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:35,479
are left handed, and you know, left handed people can

2015
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:38,359
do whatever right handed people can do. Like it doesn't

2016
01:59:38,399 --> 01:59:42,159
even need an argument. You're like, yeah, sure of course, right, Like,

2017
01:59:43,039 --> 01:59:45,960
what are you doing, Like if I feel some urgent

2018
01:59:46,119 --> 01:59:48,680
need to prove that left handed people can do whatever,

2019
01:59:49,439 --> 01:59:51,439
you know, or you know from the other side, that

2020
01:59:51,600 --> 01:59:55,239
right handed people can do and there's it's just like yeah,

2021
01:59:55,399 --> 01:59:58,520
no shit, you know, so why do you feel they

2022
01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:01,079
need to do that? Say, well, we're women can be

2023
02:00:01,319 --> 02:00:05,359
doctors or something. Yeah, I know, like, okay, this has

2024
02:00:05,439 --> 02:00:09,439
been resolved a long time ago. But they feel this nagging,

2025
02:00:10,319 --> 02:00:15,520
persistent itch because they don't really believe that sexes or whatever,

2026
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:19,479
race or whatever is equal, and so they are held

2027
02:00:19,640 --> 02:00:21,439
on trying to prove it and get everybody to swell

2028
02:00:21,600 --> 02:00:23,600
their dog go and preach it all the time and

2029
02:00:23,800 --> 02:00:29,319
reinforced this idea that they don't really believe. Well, who

2030
02:00:29,399 --> 02:00:32,359
else would do that, right, Like ask any minority like that.

2031
02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:35,520
Someone's like just brings up race out of the blue.

2032
02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:38,640
They're like, oh god, another liberal, you know, because the

2033
02:00:38,760 --> 02:00:41,640
normal people don't do that, right, I've played sports with

2034
02:00:41,880 --> 02:00:46,000
all whites, blacks or whatever. It doesn't I don't remember

2035
02:00:46,039 --> 02:00:52,479
that conversation ever happening. Right when you get around liberals there,

2036
02:00:52,479 --> 02:00:55,319
it's just it's the first thing. It's always it's like

2037
02:00:55,359 --> 02:00:59,880
their background program. It thinks about race all day. And

2038
02:01:00,439 --> 02:01:02,800
I also feel like someone that's got nothing going in

2039
02:01:02,880 --> 02:01:09,000
their life, Like they're unattractive, they're physically weak, they're mentally stupid.

2040
02:01:09,439 --> 02:01:11,800
There you go down the list. They have no skills,

2041
02:01:11,920 --> 02:01:15,079
no creativity, no nothing. So what they find comfort in

2042
02:01:15,279 --> 02:01:18,600
is a moral superiority because you don't even have to

2043
02:01:18,720 --> 02:01:21,319
do anything, you just have to not do stuff. It's

2044
02:01:21,439 --> 02:01:24,960
very easy, just you know, don't be prejudiced, don't be this.

2045
02:01:25,560 --> 02:01:28,880
And they walk around like that's their their armor and

2046
02:01:28,920 --> 02:01:32,279
their shield because they feel bad about themselves an inferior

2047
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:35,800
right objectively on everything else. So they're like, yeah, well,

2048
02:01:35,800 --> 02:01:39,680
at least I'm not racis Like, guess what practically nobody is.

2049
02:01:40,239 --> 02:01:42,159
You know, it's nothing to take a lot of pride in.

2050
02:01:43,039 --> 02:01:47,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just this picture of the leftists just being

2051
02:01:47,960 --> 02:01:52,359
weak and just being weak minded, weak willed, weak basically.

2052
02:01:52,439 --> 02:01:55,199
Speaker 3: And yeah, look at antife, all decrepit and fucked up.

2053
02:01:55,239 --> 02:01:57,720
Look you can just look at them and go, yeah,

2054
02:01:58,239 --> 02:01:59,399
you're a bunch of pussies.

2055
02:02:00,119 --> 02:02:02,880
Speaker 1: And even sed says leftists tend to hate anything that

2056
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:05,279
has an image of being strong, good and successful. They

2057
02:02:05,319 --> 02:02:08,239
hate America, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males,

2058
02:02:08,479 --> 02:02:11,920
they hate rationality. The reasons they get the leftist give

2059
02:02:12,039 --> 02:02:14,520
for hating the West, et cetera, clearly do not correspond

2060
02:02:14,600 --> 02:02:16,520
with their real motives. They said they hate the West

2061
02:02:16,600 --> 02:02:20,960
because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric, and so forth.

2062
02:02:21,319 --> 02:02:24,479
But where these same faults appear in socialist countries are

2063
02:02:24,520 --> 02:02:26,960
in primitive culture, as the left find excuses for them.

2064
02:02:27,479 --> 02:02:29,760
The best, one of the best ones I heard was.

2065
02:02:30,359 --> 02:02:33,600
Speaker 3: We'll grudgingly admitted, but they're enthusiastic about it when it's

2066
02:02:33,640 --> 02:02:33,960
the US.

2067
02:02:34,079 --> 02:02:38,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly. But one of my favorites on Twitter,

2068
02:02:39,039 --> 02:02:41,159
this was a few years ago. We were posting up

2069
02:02:41,640 --> 02:02:45,239
Marx quotes, you know, where he refers to certain people

2070
02:02:45,279 --> 02:02:47,159
as like that Jewish nigger and.

2071
02:02:47,199 --> 02:02:48,399
Speaker 4: Stuff like that, and.

2072
02:02:50,039 --> 02:02:53,960
Speaker 1: Some Marxist goes, well, he was just a man of

2073
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:56,560
his time, and I'm like it, well, so is Thomas Jefferson.

2074
02:02:56,960 --> 02:02:59,720
Speaker 3: Then, oh, I know, they always love this shit on

2075
02:02:59,800 --> 02:03:03,359
these great figures from you know, hundreds of years ago,

2076
02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:07,359
were like, yeah, well that person, that person didn't like

2077
02:03:07,439 --> 02:03:11,439
blacks or gays, whoever, Oh, I'm better than them. Like, dude,

2078
02:03:11,840 --> 02:03:14,760
if you lived back then, you would have followed everything

2079
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:18,279
like anybody now has got, you know, five jabs and

2080
02:03:18,359 --> 02:03:20,840
wearing a mask in a Ukraine flag and just doing

2081
02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:23,640
the next thing. You would have been the Nazi, You

2082
02:03:23,640 --> 02:03:25,960
would have been the slaveholder. You would have fallen for

2083
02:03:26,079 --> 02:03:27,840
all of it, because you have fallen for it now.

2084
02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:33,600
Jefferson was way ahead of his time. He ended the

2085
02:03:33,640 --> 02:03:37,960
transatlantic slave trade. He also prevented it from expanding west.

2086
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:40,079
And he tried to out loll slavery in the state

2087
02:03:40,119 --> 02:03:42,119
of Virginia when he was governed. He only lost by

2088
02:03:42,119 --> 02:03:44,760
a couple of votes. He was trying to think of

2089
02:03:44,840 --> 02:03:48,920
a realistic way to phase it out, like and he

2090
02:03:49,039 --> 02:03:52,760
inherited slaves. Let's I'm not going to get along Jefferson rant.

2091
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:55,079
But the thing is, you could say that about whatever,

2092
02:03:55,279 --> 02:03:59,159
like Socrates, great man, great philosopher, Like, yeah, but he

2093
02:03:59,359 --> 02:04:03,119
liked little boys. Einstein, brilliant sign. He was in love

2094
02:04:03,159 --> 02:04:06,000
with his cousin. They didn't know better at the time.

2095
02:04:07,479 --> 02:04:10,720
You're buying the fault Martin Luther King, great man who's

2096
02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:13,640
plagiariss and fooled around on his wife. Whatever. It's like, Oh,

2097
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:15,720
you just gotta find something to ship on these people

2098
02:04:15,760 --> 02:04:19,279
about to make yourself feel better about yourself. No one's

2099
02:04:19,279 --> 02:04:21,840
saying that you're Jesus or something, just like, look, this

2100
02:04:21,960 --> 02:04:26,000
is an outstanding historical figure that changed the course of

2101
02:04:26,279 --> 02:04:30,920
our lives. Jefferson wrote the Constitution and most of the

2102
02:04:31,000 --> 02:04:33,800
Bills of Rights. Like, the guy did accomplish a lot

2103
02:04:33,880 --> 02:04:37,279
of good. He's definitely in that positive like y'all. But

2104
02:04:37,319 --> 02:04:42,520
he had slaves like everybody else at that time period. Yeah,

2105
02:04:42,760 --> 02:04:49,159
and thousands for thousands of years. So he says, modern

2106
02:04:49,279 --> 02:04:53,479
Lefstische philosophers tend to dismiss reason, science, objective reality. Well

2107
02:04:53,640 --> 02:04:55,800
science unless it's of course, you know, has to do

2108
02:04:55,920 --> 02:05:00,680
with transgenderism, or you know, it has to be iological,

2109
02:05:01,000 --> 02:05:04,119
so the jab things like that. That's when, well, that's

2110
02:05:04,279 --> 02:05:07,279
totally a rejection of science because they're what they're saying

2111
02:05:07,640 --> 02:05:11,560
is science is not empirical or objective. It's just a

2112
02:05:11,720 --> 02:05:16,119
word to use to throw on their identity politics. It's

2113
02:05:16,279 --> 02:05:19,560
very opposite of science, Like that's not that's not science

2114
02:05:19,640 --> 02:05:24,119
to say biology has thirty seven genders or seventy two

2115
02:05:24,239 --> 02:05:27,159
whatever up number they're at. Now, it's identity. You either

2116
02:05:27,239 --> 02:05:31,159
have a piece or vagina, the spy modal, that's that's

2117
02:05:31,359 --> 02:05:35,399
that's actual science. They're like, nah, the science is science

2118
02:05:35,439 --> 02:05:40,239
has just become political nowatives they vote, and that is

2119
02:05:40,359 --> 02:05:45,279
like the endpoint of maximum cultural relativism, where science doesn't

2120
02:05:45,359 --> 02:05:49,159
mean empiricism anymore. Science is just like whatever you feel,

2121
02:05:50,119 --> 02:05:53,960
whatever makes money or whatever is you know, politically advantageous

2122
02:05:53,960 --> 02:05:56,319
at the time. You know, for the words science behind it.

2123
02:05:57,439 --> 02:06:01,680
It's ridiculous men having babies and stuff. I come on,

2124
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:03,680
it's not science.

2125
02:06:04,920 --> 02:06:07,920
Speaker 1: Ted brings up IQ tests and he says leftists or

2126
02:06:07,960 --> 02:06:12,079
antagonistic to genetic explanations of human abilities or behavior because

2127
02:06:12,079 --> 02:06:15,720
such explanations tend to make some persons appear superior inferior

2128
02:06:15,720 --> 02:06:19,279
to others. They prefer to give society the credit or

2129
02:06:19,399 --> 02:06:23,119
blame for an individual's ability or lack thereof. Thus, if

2130
02:06:23,159 --> 02:06:25,239
a person is inferior, it is not his fault, but

2131
02:06:25,359 --> 02:06:28,119
society's because and this goes to you know, if you've

2132
02:06:28,119 --> 02:06:30,960
ever read Paul Gottfree's therapeutic talk about he talks about

2133
02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:34,840
the therapeutic society, how basically we're at the point that

2134
02:06:35,079 --> 02:06:41,560
if somebody is if somebody believes that Trump didn't that

2135
02:06:41,800 --> 02:06:44,239
if somebody believes that Trump actually won in twenty twenty

2136
02:06:44,279 --> 02:06:47,560
and that there was foul play, then there's something actually

2137
02:06:47,720 --> 02:06:51,159
wrong with that person, and that person needs to be

2138
02:06:51,239 --> 02:06:53,199
dealt with. I mean, that's why I'm That's why I'm

2139
02:06:53,239 --> 02:06:56,279
not on YouTube right now. Not because I covered Nazi

2140
02:06:56,359 --> 02:07:00,560
book burnings, not because I've questioned World War the World

2141
02:07:00,600 --> 02:07:04,720
War two narrative. I'm not on YouTube right now because

2142
02:07:04,720 --> 02:07:07,119
I questioned the twenty twenty election results.

2143
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:11,079
Speaker 3: But you could question twenty sixteen all day, every day. Sure,

2144
02:07:11,479 --> 02:07:16,000
And that's when I steal dossie. It gave him a

2145
02:07:16,039 --> 02:07:19,079
million dollars to lie about it. You know, look what

2146
02:07:20,039 --> 02:07:23,680
there was some kook stuff about the twenty twenty that people.

2147
02:07:24,319 --> 02:07:26,079
They did the same thing with nine to eleven, Like

2148
02:07:26,640 --> 02:07:29,039
they go into bunk the kook stuff and go see,

2149
02:07:30,039 --> 02:07:32,159
but there's some non kook stuff. You don't have to

2150
02:07:32,239 --> 02:07:35,439
get into voting machines, flipping both or any of that mess.

2151
02:07:35,600 --> 02:07:39,359
Like the fact that all these social media companies censored

2152
02:07:39,479 --> 02:07:42,760
the Hunter Biden laptop story and covered for all of

2153
02:07:42,840 --> 02:07:45,920
Biden's crimes, refused to do a debate on foreign policy,

2154
02:07:46,039 --> 02:07:48,560
like all that the media was completely skewed against Trump,

2155
02:07:49,000 --> 02:07:52,720
and that's already rigging an election. Yeah, and you can

2156
02:07:52,840 --> 02:07:54,960
keep outing stuff, but you don't need to like, you've

2157
02:07:55,000 --> 02:07:59,520
already got a concrete slam dunk thing right there. Just

2158
02:07:59,640 --> 02:08:02,600
stop to deal with that first before you start adding

2159
02:08:02,640 --> 02:08:05,479
all the extra stuff that may have happened in Arizona

2160
02:08:05,560 --> 02:08:08,680
or whatever, Like who cares? Like, did they or did

2161
02:08:08,760 --> 02:08:11,760
they not sense of these stories? They definitely did, and

2162
02:08:11,920 --> 02:08:15,079
they were true. They were not Russian propaganda. And Biden

2163
02:08:15,199 --> 02:08:18,119
lied about everything, so did Harris. They lied about the

2164
02:08:19,199 --> 02:08:21,880
Proud Boys and all that. They spend more time in

2165
02:08:21,960 --> 02:08:26,159
the debates talking about prowdboys than our entire foreign policy.

2166
02:08:27,319 --> 02:08:30,119
It was such a circus. But anyway, yeah, you're right,

2167
02:08:30,239 --> 02:08:33,199
Like they're going to say, there's something mentally wrong with

2168
02:08:33,319 --> 02:08:37,199
you if you don't have the state opinion, right, you

2169
02:08:37,239 --> 02:08:40,760
don't have just proud opinion is the election was completely fair,

2170
02:08:40,960 --> 02:08:43,720
No cheating happened, and you're not even allowed to give

2171
02:08:43,720 --> 02:08:46,520
an example. And there's no dialogue to tell you why

2172
02:08:46,600 --> 02:08:48,840
you're wrong. If you're wrong, it's just nope, you were

2173
02:08:49,039 --> 02:08:53,119
You're wrong, and you're actually you know, you're mentally deficient

2174
02:08:53,680 --> 02:08:56,039
for even entertaining these ideas. Well.

2175
02:08:56,159 --> 02:08:59,159
Speaker 1: Not only that you're not only mentally deficient, you're immoral.

2176
02:09:00,760 --> 02:09:04,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I always add that one I would add too,

2177
02:09:04,760 --> 02:09:08,119
like to the DNA thing TED is talking about. Why

2178
02:09:08,279 --> 02:09:11,279
they have the position they have is based on this

2179
02:09:11,439 --> 02:09:15,479
psychological feelings of inferiority. It may be the case or

2180
02:09:15,479 --> 02:09:18,960
it may not be the case that you can explain

2181
02:09:20,479 --> 02:09:23,760
differences or whatever, but on the combination of social and

2182
02:09:23,920 --> 02:09:27,760
genetic whatever, But that doesn't matter, Like, it doesn't matter

2183
02:09:27,840 --> 02:09:30,840
even if they were right there only take that position

2184
02:09:31,319 --> 02:09:36,800
because the idea that somebody is just genetically better than

2185
02:09:36,880 --> 02:09:41,520
someone else doesn't fit their worldview and they cannot psychologically

2186
02:09:41,600 --> 02:09:45,319
digest that as a conclusion. Doesn't mean that conclusion is true.

2187
02:09:45,319 --> 02:09:47,720
It could be, it could not be, but they would

2188
02:09:47,800 --> 02:09:50,199
never accept that. And this is this thing, they will

2189
02:09:50,239 --> 02:09:53,239
not even look at it, Like if you were going

2190
02:09:54,039 --> 02:10:00,640
I doubt genetic researchers could ever even pursue figuring out

2191
02:10:00,640 --> 02:10:04,359
whether or not that's true, because it's political suicide. So

2192
02:10:04,560 --> 02:10:06,680
even if it was true, you'd never be allowed to

2193
02:10:06,720 --> 02:10:11,039
say it. You'd be thrown out of your university even like, no,

2194
02:10:11,279 --> 02:10:14,199
that is no an acceptable conclusion, we've already decided without

2195
02:10:14,199 --> 02:10:17,520
even looking at the data. Data might show that, yeah,

2196
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:19,800
it isn't, but they don't even look at the data

2197
02:10:19,960 --> 02:10:22,119
or even gather the data because they decided based on

2198
02:10:22,239 --> 02:10:24,760
psychological reas and it's like, no, this cannot be. We

2199
02:10:24,840 --> 02:10:28,720
cannot allow this. I mean, people are better than others.

2200
02:10:29,840 --> 02:10:34,760
Speaker 1: Let's get into this, because this starts getting into over socialization, says.

2201
02:10:34,840 --> 02:10:37,680
Leftists may claim that their activism is motivated by compassion

2202
02:10:37,800 --> 02:10:41,199
or by moral principles, and moral principle, and moral principle

2203
02:10:41,439 --> 02:10:43,720
does play a role for the leftist of the over

2204
02:10:43,880 --> 02:10:47,800
socialized type, but compassion and moral principle cannot be the

2205
02:10:47,880 --> 02:10:52,119
main motives for leftist activism. Hostility is too prominent a

2206
02:10:52,239 --> 02:10:56,319
component of leftist behavior, so is the drive for power. Moreover,

2207
02:10:56,479 --> 02:10:59,520
much leftist behavior is not rationally calculated to be a

2208
02:10:59,600 --> 02:11:02,239
benefit to the people whom the leftists claimed to be

2209
02:11:02,439 --> 02:11:02,720
trying to.

2210
02:11:02,960 --> 02:11:06,199
Speaker 3: Yes, right, that's it, Yeah, that's so good. And like

2211
02:11:06,279 --> 02:11:10,279
you can give examples like affirmative action or welfare whatever,

2212
02:11:10,399 --> 02:11:14,239
all these do gooder facades. They say, Okay, when someone

2213
02:11:14,359 --> 02:11:17,600
points out the other side, it says, well, affirmative action

2214
02:11:17,880 --> 02:11:20,880
undermines someone's credibility because other people are going to know

2215
02:11:21,720 --> 02:11:24,760
that said category got a job, got into college, got whatever,

2216
02:11:25,000 --> 02:11:27,920
because they're only the best within their parameters and not

2217
02:11:28,199 --> 02:11:34,359
versus the whole. And so when somebody, a brown woman,

2218
02:11:34,640 --> 02:11:38,199
wheelchair or wherever, get some position, you don't know if

2219
02:11:38,239 --> 02:11:41,079
she would have earned that anyway, or if she got

2220
02:11:41,119 --> 02:11:44,359
it because she had all the right checkboxes. And it's

2221
02:11:44,399 --> 02:11:46,640
quite obvious that most of the time it's because they

2222
02:11:46,680 --> 02:11:49,079
had all the right checkboxes, which undermines it for all

2223
02:11:49,079 --> 02:11:51,239
the ones who are qualified. And so you can you

2224
02:11:51,279 --> 02:11:54,560
get all these different arguments against affirmative action, and you

2225
02:11:54,640 --> 02:11:56,680
can just show how long we had it. It's not

2226
02:11:56,840 --> 02:11:59,920
working at all. Same thing with welfare. Welfare hurts the poor.

2227
02:12:00,199 --> 02:12:02,680
You can give all the libertarian arguments that they don't care.

2228
02:12:03,119 --> 02:12:04,880
They don't care if it works or not. It's like

2229
02:12:05,000 --> 02:12:08,439
Thomas Soul said, they want what looks good, not what works.

2230
02:12:10,319 --> 02:12:12,760
And it just seems like, hey, give poor people money.

2231
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:15,439
Like if that worked, there wouldn't be four people. It

2232
02:12:15,600 --> 02:12:18,680
was so easy to solve poverty by just saying, well,

2233
02:12:18,760 --> 02:12:24,560
let's just give them all money. They can solve the dash.

2234
02:12:24,680 --> 02:12:26,439
Just qunt a bunch of money and hand it to everybody.

2235
02:12:26,479 --> 02:12:31,840
There you go, it doesn't work, they think, and they

2236
02:12:31,880 --> 02:12:34,279
go like, oh, I'm for a frontive action, because if

2237
02:12:34,319 --> 02:12:37,159
I'm not, then I'm a racist. But don't. If you

2238
02:12:37,319 --> 02:12:41,800
reform fromtive action, you're racist because you're saying this group

2239
02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:44,399
gets to favor over this other group based on race.

2240
02:12:44,840 --> 02:12:49,119
That is an act of racism. That doesn't matter to them.

2241
02:12:49,119 --> 02:12:52,399
They're like, nah, because the group I'm shitting on is

2242
02:12:52,439 --> 02:12:54,560
the group you know, like whites for example in the

2243
02:12:54,680 --> 02:12:58,840
United States, is the one I don't like. So then

2244
02:12:58,880 --> 02:12:59,319
it's okay.

2245
02:13:01,000 --> 02:13:04,800
Speaker 1: And here's the point he makes about affirmative action. Here

2246
02:13:05,000 --> 02:13:09,479
is I think very important. He says, leftists believe they're trying,

2247
02:13:09,560 --> 02:13:12,000
they're helping people, but they're not. If one believes that

2248
02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:15,039
affirmative action is good for black people, doesn't make sense

2249
02:13:15,119 --> 02:13:19,920
to demand affirmative action in hostile or dogmatic terms. Obviously,

2250
02:13:19,960 --> 02:13:21,880
it would be more productive to take a diplomatic and

2251
02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:25,880
conciliatory approach that would make it least verbal and symbolic

2252
02:13:26,000 --> 02:13:29,159
concessions to white people who think that avermative action discriminates

2253
02:13:29,159 --> 02:13:31,880
against them against them. But leftist activists do not take

2254
02:13:31,960 --> 02:13:36,399
such an approach because it would not satisfy their emotional needs.

2255
02:13:37,000 --> 02:13:40,479
Helping black people is not their real goal. Instead, race

2256
02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:43,640
problems serve as an excuse for them to express their

2257
02:13:43,720 --> 02:13:47,600
own hostility and frustrated need for power. In doing so,

2258
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:51,920
they actually harm black people because the activist hostile attitude

2259
02:13:51,960 --> 02:13:56,000
towards the white majority tends to intensify race hatred.

2260
02:13:57,239 --> 02:14:00,079
Speaker 3: Yep, he nailed it, and he can see it a

2261
02:14:00,199 --> 02:14:04,760
hypocrisy because somebody who's completely not a racist will bring

2262
02:14:04,920 --> 02:14:09,039
up the points I just made and more, and they're

2263
02:14:09,079 --> 02:14:12,840
never addressed. It's always shut up racist, agree with me,

2264
02:14:12,960 --> 02:14:16,000
or you're a Nazi. That's your favorite way, yelling Nazi

2265
02:14:16,039 --> 02:14:18,159
at everybody. I'm not sure how they're going to handle

2266
02:14:18,239 --> 02:14:18,880
Kanye West.

2267
02:14:20,560 --> 02:14:23,279
Speaker 1: I mean, you just they just ignore. They ignore his

2268
02:14:23,359 --> 02:14:25,840
skin color because skin color doesn't really matter to them.

2269
02:14:25,880 --> 02:14:31,039
It's it's that whole friend enemy distinction. It's whoever, if

2270
02:14:31,319 --> 02:14:33,399
you're not their friend, you're their enemy, and it doesn't

2271
02:14:33,439 --> 02:14:36,840
matter what the skin color or anything. But the next

2272
02:14:37,039 --> 02:14:40,680
line is one of the most important, I think in

2273
02:14:40,800 --> 02:14:43,800
the whole manifesto. He says, if our society had no

2274
02:14:43,960 --> 02:14:46,520
social problems at all, the leftists would have to invent

2275
02:14:46,720 --> 02:14:50,159
problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse for

2276
02:14:50,279 --> 02:14:53,520
making a fuss. And I think it's so like that

2277
02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:56,560
transgenders right there. Yeah, I think it's so kind of

2278
02:14:56,600 --> 02:15:00,119
cute that he uses the term making a fuss. It's

2279
02:15:00,159 --> 02:15:00,920
just so boomer.

2280
02:15:01,119 --> 02:15:07,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you know it was. He was from a

2281
02:15:07,840 --> 02:15:10,439
different error. Man, They make a fuss, but they are

2282
02:15:10,560 --> 02:15:14,119
making a fuss about. They would just invent things bitch about,

2283
02:15:15,159 --> 02:15:20,079
and they have. I mean, as homosexuality became pretty much acceptable,

2284
02:15:20,399 --> 02:15:22,800
marriage is legal, all that, they Okay, we're just going

2285
02:15:22,840 --> 02:15:26,119
to invent a new thing and complain about it. And

2286
02:15:26,279 --> 02:15:30,720
that's transgenders it And I'm not comparing that to gaze

2287
02:15:30,720 --> 02:15:34,720
at all. I think gayser gay whatever. Transgenders is completely

2288
02:15:34,800 --> 02:15:37,279
made up bullshit to say, oh, I'm a man and

2289
02:15:37,359 --> 02:15:43,199
you're not. And you can't just change biology biology based

2290
02:15:43,239 --> 02:15:48,199
on wishing or whatever. It doesn't work like that. But

2291
02:15:48,359 --> 02:15:51,880
they it's ingrained. They need that sense of that power

2292
02:15:51,960 --> 02:15:56,000
process and so this is their vehicle and they're too

2293
02:15:57,760 --> 02:16:02,920
they're two pussy fied or whatever. It had just come

2294
02:16:03,000 --> 02:16:05,199
out directly with it. So it's always on behalf of

2295
02:16:05,279 --> 02:16:08,560
another and it's usually for the environment or for some

2296
02:16:09,560 --> 02:16:12,279
lesser than that group. And they're not really lesser than now,

2297
02:16:12,359 --> 02:16:14,159
but you know from their point of view who they

2298
02:16:14,159 --> 02:16:20,439
are that they are, you know, just exercising control over

2299
02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:23,319
other people. They'll do that with their language policing and

2300
02:16:23,399 --> 02:16:27,880
pronoun policing and all that. It's funny. I think it was.

2301
02:16:28,119 --> 02:16:30,079
I don't really like this guy for a lot of things.

2302
02:16:30,119 --> 02:16:33,479
But Steve Crowder did this. He like dressed up like

2303
02:16:33,520 --> 02:16:35,440
a leftist and was just riding around the car with

2304
02:16:35,559 --> 02:16:38,959
him these people. He's a university students, so it's like

2305
02:16:39,000 --> 02:16:41,280
the worst of the worst. But they could not have

2306
02:16:41,440 --> 02:16:46,680
a conversation because all of them were language policing each

2307
02:16:46,680 --> 02:16:50,319
other so much that like, you couldn't even talk. I'm

2308
02:16:50,360 --> 02:16:53,319
offended by this one. You just said, blah, I don't

2309
02:16:53,360 --> 02:16:55,760
think that's good for selling. So let's say none of

2310
02:16:55,799 --> 02:16:59,920
these groups are even in the car. It was amazing,

2311
02:17:00,120 --> 02:17:04,200
like they could barely talk to each other. It took

2312
02:17:04,479 --> 02:17:07,600
There was the one with that woman's speech that she had,

2313
02:17:07,719 --> 02:17:10,479
you know, like the whole Mark Anthony thing, Friends, Romans,

2314
02:17:10,479 --> 02:17:13,000
country or whatever. Now it's like you would have to

2315
02:17:13,040 --> 02:17:16,719
go through a list of you know, eighty different categories

2316
02:17:16,840 --> 02:17:20,479
to address the audience before you can start on your speech.

2317
02:17:21,079 --> 02:17:23,399
And somebody, I think it was into Austria or something,

2318
02:17:23,479 --> 02:17:27,600
he went in and said, excuse to ladies, gentlemen, this

2319
02:17:27,959 --> 02:17:30,959
this this this, this, and like he ran out of time,

2320
02:17:32,360 --> 02:17:37,040
but he's like, I haven't even finished my introduction. But

2321
02:17:37,159 --> 02:17:39,680
that was the point. Like, what are they doing with

2322
02:17:39,799 --> 02:17:43,079
all these categories? Level leve control? For sure?

2323
02:17:43,680 --> 02:17:44,639
Speaker 4: Well here we go, okay.

2324
02:17:44,719 --> 02:17:48,159
Speaker 1: So psychologists use the term socialization to designate the process

2325
02:17:48,280 --> 02:17:50,200
by which children are trained to think and act as

2326
02:17:50,280 --> 02:17:53,680
society demands. The moral code of our society is so

2327
02:17:53,840 --> 02:17:56,479
demanding that no one can think, feel, and act in

2328
02:17:56,559 --> 02:17:59,360
a completely moral way. For example, we are not supposed

2329
02:17:59,360 --> 02:18:01,719
to hate anyone, yet almost everyone hates someone at some

2330
02:18:01,840 --> 02:18:04,159
time or other, whether he thinks it to himself or not.

2331
02:18:04,840 --> 02:18:09,879
Some people are so highly socialized that the attempt to think, feel,

2332
02:18:10,399 --> 02:18:14,719
and act morally imposes a severe burden on them. In

2333
02:18:14,879 --> 02:18:17,639
order to avoid feelings of guilt, they continually have to

2334
02:18:17,760 --> 02:18:21,799
deceive themselves about their own motives and find moral explanations

2335
02:18:21,840 --> 02:18:25,319
for feelings and actions that in reality have a non

2336
02:18:25,600 --> 02:18:30,959
moral origin. We use the term over socialized, over socialized

2337
02:18:31,399 --> 02:18:32,760
to describe such people.

2338
02:18:33,760 --> 02:18:38,280
Speaker 3: And those are the people that will ascribe moral motivations

2339
02:18:38,319 --> 02:18:41,239
for things they just want to do anyway or don't

2340
02:18:41,239 --> 02:18:44,239
want to do anyway. So like, well, I don't know,

2341
02:18:44,799 --> 02:18:47,360
vegetarians They don't eat meat because they don't like how

2342
02:18:47,440 --> 02:18:49,840
it tastes, but they just make it. Oh, because I

2343
02:18:49,920 --> 02:18:53,799
care about animals and blabable. I could say I don't

2344
02:18:53,879 --> 02:18:57,559
use cosmetic products because I'm a guy, but I could say, well,

2345
02:18:57,639 --> 02:19:01,520
I just don't like animal testing shampoo and rabbit's eyeballs,

2346
02:19:01,559 --> 02:19:04,920
and that's not why, because I just don't don't like them.

2347
02:19:05,680 --> 02:19:10,120
A lot of people will adopt some sort of behavior

2348
02:19:10,159 --> 02:19:12,440
or whatever where they're abstained from a certain thing. I

2349
02:19:12,520 --> 02:19:14,799
love the best are the people that I don't eat

2350
02:19:14,879 --> 02:19:17,479
meat except for chicken and fish, like, oh, because it

2351
02:19:17,559 --> 02:19:20,680
does taste good. Right, It's like, you can't what's the

2352
02:19:20,719 --> 02:19:23,639
sympathy for the none for the chicken and then the turkey,

2353
02:19:23,799 --> 02:19:26,200
But okay, but you don't like the way pig and

2354
02:19:26,319 --> 02:19:29,360
calt so you don't eat it. But you're acting like, oh,

2355
02:19:29,440 --> 02:19:32,559
you have sympathy for these cows. No, you don't. They

2356
02:19:32,719 --> 02:19:37,200
just it's a way. It's like, oh, it's a way

2357
02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:41,200
of relieving guilt from something else. Right, Well, I'm doing

2358
02:19:41,319 --> 02:19:44,200
this and a lot of it, and it's they left us.

2359
02:19:44,840 --> 02:19:48,200
They eat each other because like a lot of hardcore

2360
02:19:48,319 --> 02:19:52,159
leftists are white women, and they are very susceptible to

2361
02:19:52,200 --> 02:19:55,479
this over socialization part too. But they feel a collective

2362
02:19:55,559 --> 02:20:00,399
sensitive guilt because leftists are collectivists of things that countries

2363
02:20:00,479 --> 02:20:05,680
did that they ascribed to race. So whites killed the Indians,

2364
02:20:05,760 --> 02:20:08,959
Whites enslaved the Africans. White none of that's the product

2365
02:20:09,000 --> 02:20:11,600
of whiteness. There's nothing in a white babies DNA that

2366
02:20:11,600 --> 02:20:13,559
says I'm going to grow up and some slaves or

2367
02:20:13,959 --> 02:20:17,840
which is a product of power. That's what countries did.

2368
02:20:18,200 --> 02:20:22,079
And you know, obviously, like they weren't all the same.

2369
02:20:22,120 --> 02:20:25,000
It wasn't the Irish slave and everybody. It wasn't the

2370
02:20:25,079 --> 02:20:28,520
Polish that killed the Indians. The other assist see power

2371
02:20:28,600 --> 02:20:31,239
and it happens whatever. But they they don't look at

2372
02:20:31,280 --> 02:20:35,959
what states do as agencies and decision makers and businesses

2373
02:20:36,159 --> 02:20:38,200
or any of that. They see it as a racial thing.

2374
02:20:39,280 --> 02:20:42,000
They're like, oh, yeah, well they're all this color, so

2375
02:20:42,120 --> 02:20:44,399
that must be why they did it. And they so

2376
02:20:44,520 --> 02:20:46,719
they walk around these stupid collective s ideas and they

2377
02:20:46,719 --> 02:20:48,600
feel guilty about it. In a way of trying to

2378
02:20:48,760 --> 02:20:51,959
shed the guilt is by adopting all these other moral

2379
02:20:52,319 --> 02:20:57,159
moral precepts, and it's all disingenuous and that's where it's like,

2380
02:20:57,280 --> 02:21:00,760
this is a mental thing, because you can say which

2381
02:21:00,840 --> 02:21:03,239
is borne out by all the hypocrisy and a looping

2382
02:21:03,319 --> 02:21:03,760
all over it.

2383
02:21:05,120 --> 02:21:06,239
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well yeah.

2384
02:21:06,280 --> 02:21:08,639
Speaker 1: He even says here that we argue that a very

2385
02:21:08,680 --> 02:21:12,000
important and influential segment of the modern left is over socialized,

2386
02:21:12,040 --> 02:21:15,079
and that their over socialization is of great importance in

2387
02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:18,639
determining the direction of modern leftism. Leftists of the over

2388
02:21:18,760 --> 02:21:22,120
socialized type tend to be intellectuals or members of the

2389
02:21:22,239 --> 02:21:27,399
upper middle class. Notice that university intellectuals constitute the most

2390
02:21:27,520 --> 02:21:31,280
highly socialized segment of our society and also the most

2391
02:21:31,399 --> 02:21:32,479
left wing segment.

2392
02:21:34,680 --> 02:21:34,879
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2393
02:21:35,200 --> 02:21:37,680
Speaker 1: The leftist of the over socialized type tries to get

2394
02:21:37,719 --> 02:21:41,079
off his psychological leash and assert his autonomy by rebelling,

2395
02:21:41,799 --> 02:21:43,959
but usually he is not strong enough to rebel against

2396
02:21:44,000 --> 02:21:47,399
the most basic values of society. Generally speaking, the goals

2397
02:21:47,440 --> 02:21:52,040
of today's leftists are not in conflict with the accepted

2398
02:21:52,559 --> 02:21:55,040
morality on the contract.

2399
02:21:55,360 --> 02:21:55,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2400
02:21:55,680 --> 02:21:58,600
Speaker 1: On the contrary, the left takes an accepted moral principle,

2401
02:21:58,879 --> 02:22:02,479
adopts it as its own, and then accuses mainstream society

2402
02:22:02,559 --> 02:22:06,200
of violating that principle. And the examples he uses are

2403
02:22:06,360 --> 02:22:09,319
racial equality, equality of the sex is helping poor people

2404
02:22:10,040 --> 02:22:13,600
peace as opposed to war and non violence generally, freedom

2405
02:22:13,639 --> 02:22:15,600
of expression, kindness to animals.

2406
02:22:17,040 --> 02:22:19,360
Speaker 3: Well, they've even lost the peace one because that's not

2407
02:22:19,520 --> 02:22:22,600
the established system thing anymore, and that's not the leftist

2408
02:22:22,639 --> 02:22:26,079
position anymore. Like when the say state says go to

2409
02:22:26,159 --> 02:22:30,239
war and that becomes normalive, then they all are the yay,

2410
02:22:30,479 --> 02:22:33,120
let's go to nuclear war. I mean they're ready. They're

2411
02:22:33,200 --> 02:22:37,319
ready to invade Libya and they're ready to attack Syria.

2412
02:22:37,360 --> 02:22:40,559
They're ready to do whatever the television says. If it

2413
02:22:40,680 --> 02:22:42,799
told them peace, then they would believe in peace. They

2414
02:22:42,840 --> 02:22:46,760
have no agency. It's just they don't. They're not strong

2415
02:22:46,920 --> 02:22:49,079
enough to fight the system. And you can see this,

2416
02:22:49,360 --> 02:22:52,680
this has happened all ways, like music, comedy, all the

2417
02:22:52,719 --> 02:22:56,200
way down through all the entire strata, where they are

2418
02:22:56,319 --> 02:23:01,600
just reinforcing the system's desires. But it will not challenge

2419
02:23:01,639 --> 02:23:05,159
any of the current problems. Right Like if say, here's

2420
02:23:05,159 --> 02:23:09,799
a good example, you're not you're against racism, great, and

2421
02:23:09,959 --> 02:23:14,639
so they'll spend all this time bashing you know, seventeenth

2422
02:23:14,719 --> 02:23:21,120
century slavery or something, but not Zionism, right because Jewish supremacy,

2423
02:23:21,319 --> 02:23:24,680
that type of racism has consequences. If you fight against that,

2424
02:23:25,440 --> 02:23:27,360
you'll get canceled, you can lose your job, you can

2425
02:23:27,399 --> 02:23:29,319
get kicked out of the university because you're going to

2426
02:23:29,360 --> 02:23:32,399
get labeled anti Semitic, which is ridiculous. But so if

2427
02:23:32,440 --> 02:23:36,879
you defend Palestinians, if you, you know, point out any

2428
02:23:36,959 --> 02:23:41,799
Zionis crimes, ownership of this or that or whatever, you're

2429
02:23:41,799 --> 02:23:43,760
gonna have to face consequence. So you don't see a

2430
02:23:43,760 --> 02:23:46,319
lot of professors challenging that one. They're going to go

2431
02:23:46,559 --> 02:23:49,600
right along with it. And the only time you will

2432
02:23:49,680 --> 02:23:55,559
see any any criticism of Israel is only the Palestine conflict.

2433
02:23:56,040 --> 02:23:58,399
Nothing with the Rock, Theior and any of the rest

2434
02:23:58,440 --> 02:24:02,200
of it. And that's just competing victim groups like well,

2435
02:24:03,120 --> 02:24:06,600
that's the anti colonialism part of it or whatever, or the.

2436
02:24:07,440 --> 02:24:11,479
Speaker 1: Fact that they created communism and they basically the every

2437
02:24:11,840 --> 02:24:16,440
transgenderism is being one of the biggest families on the

2438
02:24:16,520 --> 02:24:21,200
planet pushing transgenderism, or the Pritzkers in Illinois.

2439
02:24:21,799 --> 02:24:21,879
Speaker 2: M.

2440
02:24:23,559 --> 02:24:25,040
Speaker 3: Would you see what I'm saying. It was like, if

2441
02:24:25,079 --> 02:24:28,879
you're so anti racist, why is it only white racism

2442
02:24:28,959 --> 02:24:33,719
when you're fighting Jewish racism? Is okay? Right? Every other

2443
02:24:33,799 --> 02:24:35,879
form of racism is Okay, it's only the one that

2444
02:24:36,000 --> 02:24:38,319
you don't like because that's the group you don't like

2445
02:24:38,360 --> 02:24:42,200
because you identify in the superior category in your head,

2446
02:24:42,399 --> 02:24:45,520
not mine, not yours. But that's how they see it.

2447
02:24:45,600 --> 02:24:47,000
So they're like, oh, we hate that, and I'm like,

2448
02:24:47,079 --> 02:24:49,760
I agree, like, yes, you shouldn't. White should not be

2449
02:24:49,920 --> 02:24:52,479
racist to minorities. But I just don't think they are.

2450
02:24:52,799 --> 02:24:55,959
I think they're the least racist group there is. I mean,

2451
02:24:56,120 --> 02:24:59,319
Whites are like hyperly anti racist and afraid to even

2452
02:24:59,399 --> 02:25:01,680
be thought of it racist. I don't see that with

2453
02:25:01,799 --> 02:25:04,760
every other group. I think the majority of anybody is

2454
02:25:04,879 --> 02:25:07,799
not racist. But like when there are, it's usually the

2455
02:25:07,879 --> 02:25:15,959
other direction, you know, against lights, against men, against you know, Persians, Arabs, Jews, whatever, Asians,

2456
02:25:16,040 --> 02:25:17,639
like they all hate each other.

2457
02:25:18,760 --> 02:25:22,079
Speaker 1: But white's not being white's jumping right into anti racism

2458
02:25:22,239 --> 02:25:25,760
is the same basically like mk ultra kind of stuff

2459
02:25:25,799 --> 02:25:29,239
of being you know, we have. We can't be anti Semitic.

2460
02:25:29,280 --> 02:25:32,319
I mean, anti anti Semitism is the worst possible thing

2461
02:25:32,360 --> 02:25:35,040
you can be. I mean there is something you need

2462
02:25:35,159 --> 02:25:37,360
if you're anti Semitic, you need to be taken out basically,

2463
02:25:37,399 --> 02:25:38,159
I mean any.

2464
02:25:38,360 --> 02:25:40,600
Speaker 3: That's oh yeah, you're not a human being. If you're

2465
02:25:40,639 --> 02:25:44,040
a racist, that's worse than being a racist, because like

2466
02:25:44,159 --> 02:25:46,120
even if you rape somebody, you probably still work in

2467
02:25:46,200 --> 02:25:48,719
Hollywood or Wall Street. But if you said or you

2468
02:25:49,040 --> 02:25:51,399
could murder people like you have a policy that just

2469
02:25:51,520 --> 02:25:56,680
flattened the country and still get re elected. But if

2470
02:25:56,719 --> 02:25:59,399
you said the N word, you are gone, Like that

2471
02:25:59,600 --> 02:26:02,360
is a just mora or the K word or whatever

2472
02:26:02,479 --> 02:26:05,959
you know, racial f fats. Ralph Data pointed this out.

2473
02:26:06,000 --> 02:26:09,280
It's like, how how are you getting more been out

2474
02:26:09,319 --> 02:26:13,079
of shape for some racial or sexual epifat and not

2475
02:26:14,440 --> 02:26:18,120
actual ethnic cleansing and murder and gedocide and starvation is

2476
02:26:18,200 --> 02:26:22,600
saying it's like real crimes against humanity. Nah, that doesn't

2477
02:26:22,680 --> 02:26:25,959
hurt my feels because, like Uncle Ted said, that doesn't

2478
02:26:26,000 --> 02:26:28,399
give you a vehicle to exercise your power process and

2479
02:26:28,559 --> 02:26:31,360
be a control freak. If you're really concerned about justice,

2480
02:26:31,399 --> 02:26:34,840
why don't you try against home demolitions in Palestine or

2481
02:26:34,840 --> 02:26:38,680
the starvation of kids in the Yemen Because that's not fashionable.

2482
02:26:39,719 --> 02:26:43,879
You know what's I'm only I don't Ukraine because it's fashionable, right,

2483
02:26:43,920 --> 02:26:47,280
it's on Twitter's when it's there, you know, the lemiting effect.

2484
02:26:48,000 --> 02:26:50,120
But it lets him say to each other, look, I'm

2485
02:26:50,239 --> 02:26:52,440
I'm doing I'm in obedient, I'm saying the thing I'm

2486
02:26:52,440 --> 02:26:55,719
supposed to say. They will never challenge this, and the

2487
02:26:55,840 --> 02:26:59,120
system's pro Ukraine right now, so they're gonna be pro Ukraine.

2488
02:27:00,159 --> 02:27:03,079
But they will do whatever the system is doing, irrespective

2489
02:27:03,120 --> 02:27:05,879
whether it's right or not. Is usually not right. H

2490
02:27:06,000 --> 02:27:09,280
And it's like this lack of agency because their psychological

2491
02:27:09,440 --> 02:27:13,920
need is greater than their ability to reason, and definitely

2492
02:27:14,360 --> 02:27:16,639
greater than any principles. They usually don't have any.

2493
02:27:18,040 --> 02:27:21,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a perfect example. Is like, you know, the

2494
02:27:21,959 --> 02:27:26,920
Holocaust narrative. Anyone who questions it is there's something. I mean,

2495
02:27:27,079 --> 02:27:30,520
I mean there what is a seventeen seventeen countries in Europe?

2496
02:27:30,559 --> 02:27:31,159
Speaker 4: You get thrown in.

2497
02:27:31,200 --> 02:27:31,959
Speaker 3: Jail for doing it?

2498
02:27:32,399 --> 02:27:34,360
Speaker 1: So no one asks why you know? And I asked

2499
02:27:34,399 --> 02:27:36,639
someone on Twitter. Yeah, And I asked someone on Twitter

2500
02:27:36,719 --> 02:27:39,879
the other day, I said, have you ever asked yourself

2501
02:27:40,079 --> 02:27:46,479
why you get so emotional over an event that you

2502
02:27:46,559 --> 02:27:47,520
weren't even alive?

2503
02:27:47,600 --> 02:27:51,000
Speaker 3: For? Well, someone, it's like saying I think it was

2504
02:27:51,079 --> 02:27:54,040
five million instead of six or whatever. You're you know,

2505
02:27:54,200 --> 02:27:57,440
you'll go to prison. Actually, I mean just I don't

2506
02:27:57,479 --> 02:28:00,520
want to get in trouble, but yeah, I got ready

2507
02:28:00,520 --> 02:28:04,120
to say something. I'll hell, I'll say six billion is

2508
02:28:04,159 --> 02:28:07,479
not a historical figure anyway. That's from Steven Spielberg. That's

2509
02:28:07,559 --> 02:28:12,040
not from Rallhillberg or Lipstatter or anybody else. Like orthodox

2510
02:28:12,319 --> 02:28:16,000
Holocaust history has never said six million. That's straight out

2511
02:28:16,040 --> 02:28:18,879
of Hollywood. And that doesn't mean it didn't happen or

2512
02:28:18,879 --> 02:28:21,479
anything like that, like there was a Holocaust all I'm

2513
02:28:21,520 --> 02:28:24,879
not saying that. To say that number is just just

2514
02:28:25,040 --> 02:28:27,760
pulled out of TV. And that's with a lot of

2515
02:28:27,920 --> 02:28:31,879
historical events. A lot of things in history are hijacked

2516
02:28:31,879 --> 02:28:35,959
by Hollywood. Happens all the time, but they can get corrected,

2517
02:28:36,239 --> 02:28:40,159
whereas this one cannot because it's like, no, you no

2518
02:28:40,319 --> 02:28:43,760
exaggeration in my house. Stupid you know, saying Germans made

2519
02:28:44,399 --> 02:28:47,360
furniture out of body parts and just ridiculous stuff like that.

2520
02:28:47,639 --> 02:28:52,600
Soaping lance say that's all bull but you can't say no. Well,

2521
02:28:53,000 --> 02:28:55,559
I think that makes their more doubt about the Holocaust

2522
02:28:55,719 --> 02:28:59,319
rather than less, because if you're going to accept every

2523
02:28:59,520 --> 02:29:03,879
idiot exaggeration people common sensory and go, well, I might

2524
02:29:03,959 --> 02:29:06,799
not be allowed to say it, but I don't think so,

2525
02:29:07,319 --> 02:29:09,440
and that makes the slippery slope and then they start

2526
02:29:09,520 --> 02:29:11,520
doubting the rest of it that they might not ought

2527
02:29:11,559 --> 02:29:14,840
to doubt, right, And that happens with like globe warming too,

2528
02:29:15,520 --> 02:29:17,840
when you have these morons saying the Earth is gone

2529
02:29:17,879 --> 02:29:21,600
in twelve years. No, no, it isn't. And that doesn't

2530
02:29:21,639 --> 02:29:23,520
mean the Earth is not warming. But you've made these

2531
02:29:23,719 --> 02:29:27,159
really wild exaggerations that no one's allowed to question or

2532
02:29:27,200 --> 02:29:28,879
they are a science denier. No no, no, no no,

2533
02:29:30,040 --> 02:29:34,440
And so it starts sliding to become more and more ridiculous,

2534
02:29:34,520 --> 02:29:38,840
whether it's the holocausts or global warming or gender stuff

2535
02:29:38,879 --> 02:29:44,079
or whatever, because you are politically not allowed to fight back.

2536
02:29:44,159 --> 02:29:47,799
It's all the exaggerations are one direction, and that just

2537
02:29:47,920 --> 02:29:52,159
helps the opposite side. Like let's say, like a holocaust

2538
02:29:52,200 --> 02:29:56,479
denier or something, they can point to all these ridiculous claims,

2539
02:29:56,920 --> 02:30:00,760
you know, like you've heard the electric floors stupid stuff

2540
02:30:01,040 --> 02:30:04,120
and go, okay, they did not have poisoned fang German

2541
02:30:04,239 --> 02:30:08,559
shepherds stuff because they didn't, and it helps them make

2542
02:30:08,600 --> 02:30:10,639
a case. And the fact that it censored makes it

2543
02:30:10,680 --> 02:30:13,840
seem like ce see, you'll go to jail if you

2544
02:30:14,000 --> 02:30:16,719
question it. That's because it ain't true, and that's why

2545
02:30:16,920 --> 02:30:20,200
you can't question it. You're helping them out. What you

2546
02:30:20,319 --> 02:30:22,959
ought to do is just allow them the dialogue with

2547
02:30:23,159 --> 02:30:26,760
throwing people in jail for historical opinions, like it's not

2548
02:30:27,000 --> 02:30:29,959
on shaking ground. You have the core report in Himmler's

2549
02:30:30,040 --> 02:30:31,719
orders and all these things, you show what was going on.

2550
02:30:32,600 --> 02:30:37,520
Just let it, you know, let them talk and give

2551
02:30:37,600 --> 02:30:41,280
them the counterpoints. But they don't because I think they

2552
02:30:41,360 --> 02:30:45,159
don't have those counterpoints. But like, don't worry other people do.

2553
02:30:45,399 --> 02:30:47,440
Just let it, let it go. And that's to be

2554
02:30:47,559 --> 02:30:49,079
with all the stuff. But you can't and that's with

2555
02:30:49,280 --> 02:30:55,520
like you can't discuss IQ stuff either. Why not, Well,

2556
02:30:55,680 --> 02:30:59,479
because that's not allowable. You know, one of the sides

2557
02:30:59,479 --> 02:31:02,920
of that are argument is is detestable or whatever. So

2558
02:31:03,239 --> 02:31:06,879
you don't get the talk. Man, Okay, that doesn't help

2559
02:31:06,959 --> 02:31:11,200
your position, right, the censorship Just create Zecha favors and

2560
02:31:11,319 --> 02:31:14,840
cast out on the whole thing, because everybody knows, well,

2561
02:31:14,840 --> 02:31:18,280
if you're only allowed to have one conclusion, then how

2562
02:31:18,360 --> 02:31:20,319
much faith can I have in this conclusion. It's the

2563
02:31:20,399 --> 02:31:23,520
only one that's allowed to speak, so it has no

2564
02:31:23,639 --> 02:31:26,879
credibility at all. And that's what they're doing. Every time

2565
02:31:26,920 --> 02:31:29,559
they sensor stuff or force people shut up about a

2566
02:31:29,840 --> 02:31:34,799
historical event, scientific concept, whatever it is, they undermine their

2567
02:31:34,799 --> 02:31:38,360
own credibility by being militantly like eh, and like you say,

2568
02:31:38,399 --> 02:31:41,159
why are you so emotional about the Holocaust? Like why

2569
02:31:41,200 --> 02:31:45,600
can't you just have an adult discussion about it? Can't

2570
02:31:45,639 --> 02:31:48,200
do it. And it's weird because like, well, we could

2571
02:31:48,239 --> 02:31:50,840
discuss how many people died in the Battle of Fredericksburg

2572
02:31:51,000 --> 02:31:53,719
or something and come up with different numbers. No one

2573
02:31:53,799 --> 02:31:55,719
say no one died in the battle or anything. But

2574
02:31:55,879 --> 02:31:59,520
like you can't do that with Triplinka or something or

2575
02:31:59,559 --> 02:32:01,200
elsehould it? You can't. You're not allowed to do it

2576
02:32:02,840 --> 02:32:06,360
because they have this emotional reaction of like you're going

2577
02:32:06,440 --> 02:32:09,319
to see zero. I have never met a revisionist in

2578
02:32:09,440 --> 02:32:13,840
my life that said zero. Right the giant they said,

2579
02:32:13,879 --> 02:32:16,399
they can't even name the camps. The people that have

2580
02:32:16,520 --> 02:32:21,040
this really strong opinion of aout the Holocaust no absolutely

2581
02:32:21,280 --> 02:32:24,559
nothing about it. And that tends to be with a

2582
02:32:24,600 --> 02:32:29,600
lot of political subjects. The people that love Lincoln or

2583
02:32:29,639 --> 02:32:33,760
something don't know anything about Lincoln, don't know anything about

2584
02:32:33,760 --> 02:32:36,879
the Civil War, but they have a really passionate opinion

2585
02:32:36,959 --> 02:32:39,600
about it. They've never read a single book about it.

2586
02:32:40,360 --> 02:32:44,879
They don't Jack, but they're like, yes, but the narrative

2587
02:32:45,000 --> 02:32:47,120
is he got rid of slavery, and I'm really against

2588
02:32:47,159 --> 02:32:51,920
slavery because slavery is racist and it's psychological.

2589
02:32:53,959 --> 02:32:58,879
Speaker 1: The you were talking about how what Hollywood creates and everything,

2590
02:33:00,120 --> 02:33:02,719
like the thing that Steven Spielberg left out of the

2591
02:33:03,559 --> 02:33:06,440
out of the movie that Amon got you know who

2592
02:33:06,760 --> 02:33:10,079
was Ray Fine's character. He was dismissed from the from

2593
02:33:10,120 --> 02:33:13,760
the SS in charge with maltreatment, illegal punishment of prisoners,

2594
02:33:14,000 --> 02:33:15,680
and failure to provide adequate.

2595
02:33:15,360 --> 02:33:18,079
Speaker 3: Food for them. That that did.

2596
02:33:18,159 --> 02:33:19,559
Speaker 4: That didn't make it into the movie, did it?

2597
02:33:20,639 --> 02:33:22,440
Speaker 3: No, A lot of things don't make it in the movie.

2598
02:33:23,479 --> 02:33:28,120
Shreelberg's part of these the mega donor group for Jeffrey

2599
02:33:28,159 --> 02:33:33,520
Epstein's so you know, he's just that guy whatever. And

2600
02:33:34,120 --> 02:33:38,079
I think it psychologically horrifies Jews too, because the more

2601
02:33:38,120 --> 02:33:41,319
you exacted like that, I don't know why you have

2602
02:33:41,440 --> 02:33:44,399
to exaggerate the Holocaust it was. It was bad enough,

2603
02:33:45,040 --> 02:33:47,399
you don't need to add all this extra ridiculous crap

2604
02:33:47,440 --> 02:33:51,040
to it. But the more you know, demonic they have

2605
02:33:51,440 --> 02:33:55,239
like they they made Pelvis bon ash trays and just

2606
02:33:55,760 --> 02:34:00,760
you know, it makes like this sense of resentment it's

2607
02:34:00,879 --> 02:34:05,280
never again, and this almost neurotic behavior like, oh it's coming,

2608
02:34:05,360 --> 02:34:08,319
the next show is right around the corner, and it isn't.

2609
02:34:09,559 --> 02:34:12,040
But that's on a good become of self fulfilling prophecy.

2610
02:34:12,479 --> 02:34:14,399
You lash out at all your neighbors over nothing all

2611
02:34:14,399 --> 02:34:18,479
the time. Then you bring about what you're trying to avoid.

2612
02:34:19,120 --> 02:34:23,399
And it's also disgusting lied to about Germans. They're like, look,

2613
02:34:24,719 --> 02:34:28,319
they didn't do these things. They did plenty of horrible things.

2614
02:34:28,639 --> 02:34:31,159
So the Allies, I mean they knew two cities, okay,

2615
02:34:31,479 --> 02:34:34,479
Like they also starved people. They also shot civilians, they

2616
02:34:34,520 --> 02:34:38,200
also tortured people. They did. That's everyone was guilty of that.

2617
02:34:38,719 --> 02:34:42,840
Let's just submit that. No, it's g I Joe star Wars.

2618
02:34:42,959 --> 02:34:45,159
We were good, they were bad. They did all the evil.

2619
02:34:45,879 --> 02:34:49,440
We just liberated camps. Like you put people in camps.

2620
02:34:49,479 --> 02:34:52,959
What are you talking about? He just some of you

2621
02:34:53,120 --> 02:34:55,680
are the same generations. It just got done. Killing off

2622
02:34:55,760 --> 02:34:59,760
the apache are generals and things in World War two.

2623
02:35:00,799 --> 02:35:04,959
Think about that. That's fucked and that's true.

2624
02:35:07,680 --> 02:35:10,600
Speaker 1: So uh, let's finish let's finish up with this part.

2625
02:35:12,440 --> 02:35:14,399
We certainly do not claim that left us, even of

2626
02:35:14,440 --> 02:35:17,760
the over socialized type, never rebel against the fundamental values

2627
02:35:17,799 --> 02:35:21,840
of our society. Clearly they sometimes do. Some over socialized

2628
02:35:21,920 --> 02:35:24,079
left us have gone so far as to rebel against

2629
02:35:24,120 --> 02:35:27,920
one of modern society's most important principles by engaging in

2630
02:35:28,040 --> 02:35:31,920
physical violence. By their own account, violence for them is

2631
02:35:31,959 --> 02:35:35,879
a form of liberation. In other words, by committing violence,

2632
02:35:35,959 --> 02:35:39,440
they break through the psychological restraints that have been trained

2633
02:35:39,559 --> 02:35:42,840
into them because they are over socialized. These restraints have

2634
02:35:43,319 --> 02:35:46,600
been more confining for them than for others, hence their

2635
02:35:46,719 --> 02:35:49,399
need to break free from them. But they usually justify

2636
02:35:49,479 --> 02:35:52,959
their rebellion in terms of mainstream values. If they engage

2637
02:35:53,000 --> 02:35:56,040
in violence, they claim to be fighting against racism or

2638
02:35:56,120 --> 02:35:56,479
the like.

2639
02:35:57,360 --> 02:35:59,399
Speaker 3: Right, I can loose a store and grab stuff I

2640
02:35:59,520 --> 02:36:02,840
want because I'm fighting racism and police abuse or whatever,

2641
02:36:03,200 --> 02:36:05,239
And no you're not, You're just greedy and looting a store.

2642
02:36:05,760 --> 02:36:09,479
But they often do this in masochistic fashion too, where

2643
02:36:09,479 --> 02:36:11,200
they go lay in the middle of a road or

2644
02:36:11,520 --> 02:36:14,000
glue themsels like a distinction rebellion, like I want to

2645
02:36:14,040 --> 02:36:17,159
go glue my hands to the parking lot or whatever.

2646
02:36:17,520 --> 02:36:20,600
The link up in arms and block highway or do

2647
02:36:20,760 --> 02:36:23,639
a die in and lay on the ground, stupid masochistic

2648
02:36:23,680 --> 02:36:26,600
stuff like that. But he's right in the sense that

2649
02:36:27,120 --> 02:36:30,600
they will do violence. When society says, hey, violence never,

2650
02:36:30,680 --> 02:36:34,879
they answer, don't be violent. But violence is okay if

2651
02:36:34,920 --> 02:36:38,799
you're fighting the Nazis. Right, that became the thing that

2652
02:36:38,920 --> 02:36:44,520
became the window. Here's an inarguable evil Nazism because we

2653
02:36:44,680 --> 02:36:47,200
use violence to stop the Nazis. Therefore, if you can

2654
02:36:47,280 --> 02:36:50,879
create a new Nazi, violence is okay. So you're like,

2655
02:36:50,959 --> 02:36:52,879
I'll punch a Nazi and they don't have to be

2656
02:36:52,959 --> 02:36:54,559
a Nazi, you just have to accuse him of being

2657
02:36:54,600 --> 02:36:57,200
a Nazi. You're like, I'll cancel a Nazi. They don't

2658
02:36:57,239 --> 02:36:58,959
have to be Nazi. You just have to accuse him

2659
02:36:58,959 --> 02:37:02,920
of being a Nazi. This is loophole where you can

2660
02:37:03,159 --> 02:37:06,719
because canceling is an act, violence is financial terrorism. They

2661
02:37:06,760 --> 02:37:09,879
can do all these things so long as they tell themselves, well,

2662
02:37:10,360 --> 02:37:14,840
that's that's different. They're a Nazi, I said, I said Nazi,

2663
02:37:15,040 --> 02:37:17,600
so now I'm allowed to punch them, cancel them, burn

2664
02:37:17,680 --> 02:37:21,319
their property, whatever, because they're not really a human being anymore.

2665
02:37:21,360 --> 02:37:23,520
If you're anti Semitic, that's the greatest sin there is.

2666
02:37:25,159 --> 02:37:27,760
Speaker 1: Well we saw that in the Biden speech too, the

2667
02:37:27,840 --> 02:37:31,719
one he did in Philadelphia with the red backdrop. He's

2668
02:37:31,879 --> 02:37:37,360
basically putting forth that putting forth the narrative that anyone

2669
02:37:37,520 --> 02:37:42,479
who is ultra maga or you know, basically questions the

2670
02:37:42,559 --> 02:37:45,239
twenty twenty election is a fascist?

2671
02:37:45,520 --> 02:37:46,879
Speaker 3: Is you know? Is the enemy? I mean?

2672
02:37:47,000 --> 02:37:50,079
Speaker 1: And God, does anybody know the meaning of fascism?

2673
02:37:50,360 --> 02:37:53,760
Speaker 3: Totally screaming and pain as they beat you. Yeah, because

2674
02:37:53,959 --> 02:37:57,639
not allowing people to question the twenty twenty election is fascism?

2675
02:37:59,520 --> 02:38:04,280
Holy well, so it's all totalitarianism anyway. And then and

2676
02:38:04,360 --> 02:38:07,200
the red background, I'm like, wow, you just your optics.

2677
02:38:07,360 --> 02:38:10,399
Whoever did this to you? Who ever thought this up?

2678
02:38:11,280 --> 02:38:16,000
It's amazing. And I just look the US riggs elections

2679
02:38:16,079 --> 02:38:20,639
and they support terrorists. British just got caught, you know,

2680
02:38:20,959 --> 02:38:23,120
was that Hugh Ward was the one who thought up

2681
02:38:23,120 --> 02:38:26,120
the plan to bomb the Kersh Bridge in crimea British

2682
02:38:26,280 --> 02:38:30,159
sas they did it. That's how I like, we're financing

2683
02:38:30,319 --> 02:38:34,399
acts of terrorists. They finance isis? Is it? If people

2684
02:38:34,440 --> 02:38:38,000
had principles like what happened in the anti war left,

2685
02:38:38,719 --> 02:38:41,000
well it never existed. It was an anti Bush left.

2686
02:38:41,079 --> 02:38:43,920
It wasn't an anti war left. It was an anti

2687
02:38:45,280 --> 02:38:48,239
Republican and anti Bush because it's not their team and

2688
02:38:48,319 --> 02:38:51,360
they can't get power that way. They do things to

2689
02:38:51,479 --> 02:38:54,799
grandize themselves and gain power. Nothing to do with principles.

2690
02:38:55,120 --> 02:38:57,600
They don't have sympathy for Rockies or anything like that.

2691
02:38:57,760 --> 02:39:01,159
They just wanted, uh to bash the guy that wasn't

2692
02:39:01,200 --> 02:39:06,399
on their team. Yeah yeah, I mean you saw it disappear,

2693
02:39:06,520 --> 02:39:08,399
like Obama went in and did all the same words,

2694
02:39:08,440 --> 02:39:11,879
and they're like, yay, this it is okay. Now, it's

2695
02:39:11,920 --> 02:39:13,799
like the old joke with the bomb of the rainbow

2696
02:39:13,920 --> 02:39:15,760
on it out. It's all right because it's gayer.

2697
02:39:18,760 --> 02:39:18,959
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2698
02:39:19,000 --> 02:39:22,319
Speaker 1: Really, you know, I remember when I was a kid

2699
02:39:22,520 --> 02:39:26,440
being like, yeah, it was obvious that a lot of

2700
02:39:26,479 --> 02:39:28,440
the Democrats and a lot of the Republicans didn't like

2701
02:39:28,479 --> 02:39:31,879
each other. But there was like when Tip O'Neil was

2702
02:39:31,920 --> 02:39:33,879
Speaker of the House. I mean, tip O'Neil wasn't this

2703
02:39:34,040 --> 02:39:39,040
bombastic retard who just you know, called people on the

2704
02:39:39,079 --> 02:39:42,239
other side of the Aisle immoral and you know, fascists

2705
02:39:42,280 --> 02:39:44,719
and everything like that. So you know, you look thirty

2706
02:39:44,799 --> 02:39:46,360
years later, forty years later.

2707
02:39:46,280 --> 02:39:50,440
Speaker 3: Even like ging Rich. Yeah, like yeah, yeah, look how

2708
02:39:50,600 --> 02:39:54,120
far we've fallen from that to Pelosi who's talking about

2709
02:39:54,159 --> 02:39:57,319
punching Trump in the face and I'll love it and

2710
02:39:57,399 --> 02:39:59,959
go to jail and tearing up his State of Union

2711
02:40:00,079 --> 02:40:03,479
address on camera behind him, Like how immature is that this?

2712
02:40:03,680 --> 02:40:06,079
You're like eighty years old and you're grabbing a speech

2713
02:40:06,120 --> 02:40:08,760
and you just tearing it up. Just say, look, I

2714
02:40:08,799 --> 02:40:11,760
don't need to speech that. That's acting like such a child.

2715
02:40:12,520 --> 02:40:16,600
I'm going to rip the speech up. She did that. Yeah,

2716
02:40:16,760 --> 02:40:21,200
there's no consequence. There's no consequence for it. No regular

2717
02:40:21,319 --> 02:40:24,600
like this and this. Okay, So let me get to

2718
02:40:24,680 --> 02:40:26,840
the meat of uncle Ted, because we bashed on leftist

2719
02:40:26,920 --> 02:40:31,000
Yeah yeah, but like how how did it get this way? Is?

2720
02:40:31,680 --> 02:40:39,360
Uncle Ted develops this theory of and it's an evolutionary

2721
02:40:40,559 --> 02:40:48,319
explanation for psychological ills that incorporates components of autonomy and

2722
02:40:48,399 --> 02:40:51,959
what he calls the power process. And it's just it's

2723
02:40:52,040 --> 02:40:56,799
such an elegant explanation for like how he ended up

2724
02:40:56,959 --> 02:40:59,920
like this, Yeah, you have groups that have very feelings

2725
02:41:00,040 --> 02:41:04,399
of inferiority and then they're over socialized. But he's showing

2726
02:41:04,479 --> 02:41:08,520
like all this unhappiness and depression and different, you know,

2727
02:41:09,520 --> 02:41:13,479
especially among leftists. Like leftists, women consume more antidepressants than

2728
02:41:13,559 --> 02:41:16,799
other kinds of pills than any other demographic. Right, they're

2729
02:41:16,879 --> 02:41:20,000
pill popping. And this is the really scary stuff that

2730
02:41:20,079 --> 02:41:23,159
he talks about this way later too, that rather than

2731
02:41:23,280 --> 02:41:27,200
changing your environment, you and change your internal environment so

2732
02:41:27,319 --> 02:41:29,559
that you can deal with it. You're going to take

2733
02:41:30,600 --> 02:41:33,920
SSRIs and pills that affect your brain so you're better

2734
02:41:34,040 --> 02:41:38,159
able to tolerate conditions you couldn't tolerate otherwise. But don't

2735
02:41:38,239 --> 02:41:41,559
change the system, just change your brain instead. It's mild

2736
02:41:41,799 --> 02:41:46,680
mind control taking all these different pills and therapies and

2737
02:41:46,719 --> 02:41:48,559
stuff to go. Let me get you back on the track,

2738
02:41:48,639 --> 02:41:50,639
you nice little worker being, you know, do this, don't

2739
02:41:50,719 --> 02:41:54,760
shut up about it. But people are miserable in the

2740
02:41:55,000 --> 02:41:58,840
kind of lifestyle they have in the industrial society. You think, well,

2741
02:41:58,879 --> 02:42:03,520
why we have our physical needs met? We have on

2742
02:42:03,680 --> 02:42:08,840
paper it looks like definitely improvement. We live longer usually

2743
02:42:10,040 --> 02:42:13,399
we I don't have to hunt or farm around your

2744
02:42:13,440 --> 02:42:16,200
go go store and buy my food. That's wrong with that, Well,

2745
02:42:16,239 --> 02:42:20,680
there's nothing wrong with that from the point of allowing

2746
02:42:20,799 --> 02:42:24,559
higher special skills because your basic needs have been taken

2747
02:42:24,639 --> 02:42:27,559
care of. But in taking care of your physical needs,

2748
02:42:28,520 --> 02:42:33,120
you are removing a process that was psychologically healthy that

2749
02:42:33,360 --> 02:42:36,440
has not been replaced by something else. And this is

2750
02:42:36,479 --> 02:42:39,440
where this is where a lot of people get lost.

2751
02:42:39,600 --> 02:42:43,680
They think, Oh, he's just he's just one of these

2752
02:42:43,840 --> 02:42:48,399
environmental that hates industry. No, it's not what he's talking about.

2753
02:42:48,639 --> 02:42:52,200
He's saying, in creating an industry to meet your physical needs,

2754
02:42:53,760 --> 02:42:58,920
the activities that you would engage in to get those needs, fishing, farming, whatever,

2755
02:43:00,000 --> 02:43:03,559
actualize a certain set of potentials that you need to

2756
02:43:03,639 --> 02:43:07,360
do for goal attainment and reward that are healthy for

2757
02:43:07,479 --> 02:43:11,079
your brain in psychology and fulfillment. And if you don't

2758
02:43:11,120 --> 02:43:14,040
have a sergate activity or something to replace that process

2759
02:43:14,920 --> 02:43:19,079
and the autonomies. That is not for everyone, but definitely need.

2760
02:43:20,120 --> 02:43:22,319
It's not a component for some people really strongly, but

2761
02:43:22,840 --> 02:43:25,920
everyone has this goal attainment reward process they go through.

2762
02:43:26,440 --> 02:43:29,920
And when you just have instant gratification there was no

2763
02:43:30,079 --> 02:43:33,079
effort to go get that sandwich or whatever, then you

2764
02:43:33,200 --> 02:43:36,159
are not going through that process. And that's what creates

2765
02:43:36,239 --> 02:43:40,280
this emptiness and is a large source for all these

2766
02:43:40,319 --> 02:43:44,280
different mental illnesses, depression, narcissism, and all this stuff that

2767
02:43:44,319 --> 02:43:48,280
are so prevalent in society is because industrial society has

2768
02:43:48,399 --> 02:43:53,879
removed this process in our environment. We physically grew up

2769
02:43:54,000 --> 02:43:56,879
with having to exercise a certain number of skills and

2770
02:43:56,879 --> 02:43:59,959
stuff to attain our goals, and all that's been instantly removed,

2771
02:44:01,200 --> 02:44:05,239
and it's very unhealthy psychologically for us. And that may

2772
02:44:05,319 --> 02:44:08,360
be the other route of why there are so many

2773
02:44:08,440 --> 02:44:12,360
crazy leftists that are just sad and depressed and lashing

2774
02:44:12,399 --> 02:44:14,600
out and rage and they need a cause, they need

2775
02:44:14,680 --> 02:44:17,280
to do a thing to fight that they needed to

2776
02:44:17,360 --> 02:44:19,319
be something. Everyone agrees with this, so they know they're

2777
02:44:19,319 --> 02:44:21,760
not going to lose, right, so jump on a problem

2778
02:44:21,799 --> 02:44:25,200
that's already been resolved from years ago, like fighting races

2779
02:44:25,239 --> 02:44:28,000
and whatever, and they jump on it. But it's this

2780
02:44:29,040 --> 02:44:34,360
part of the manifesto that I like the second most,

2781
02:44:34,879 --> 02:44:39,879
is this idea of how are we psychologically evolved just

2782
02:44:40,040 --> 02:44:43,040
like we physically evolved, and that ties into aesthetics and

2783
02:44:43,120 --> 02:44:47,159
other things. It's really wonderful and builds on what other

2784
02:44:47,200 --> 02:44:50,639
philosophers and customary to Bruce Lee have said about self

2785
02:44:50,680 --> 02:44:54,719
actualization too, but Uncle Ted had different elements added to it,

2786
02:44:55,399 --> 02:44:58,760
especially when his chapters on the power process and autonomy

2787
02:44:59,399 --> 02:45:00,920
and that's the one you might want to read three

2788
02:45:01,000 --> 02:45:05,840
or four times because people usually base who they're thinking

2789
02:45:05,920 --> 02:45:10,719
on heuristics. Big alli, what you're just like environmental or something. No,

2790
02:45:11,239 --> 02:45:13,559
it's not what he's saying. Read what he's actually saying

2791
02:45:14,479 --> 02:45:16,600
very different from what you're assuming he's going to say,

2792
02:45:18,200 --> 02:45:19,879
which is why we're going over it right somewhere.

2793
02:45:20,319 --> 02:45:20,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2794
02:45:21,040 --> 02:45:25,239
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, obviously, if I'm sitting there and somebody is

2795
02:45:25,319 --> 02:45:28,639
telling me, you know, someone who's read the manifesto three

2796
02:45:28,719 --> 02:45:31,239
or four times and you know, really dug down deep

2797
02:45:31,319 --> 02:45:33,559
into it, and then somebody on the outside is telling

2798
02:45:33,639 --> 02:45:37,440
me it means something that it's not even close to

2799
02:45:37,559 --> 02:45:38,360
what it means.

2800
02:45:38,239 --> 02:45:43,159
Speaker 3: Then I'm yeah, he's not one of these like back

2801
02:45:43,200 --> 02:45:45,680
to nature weirdos, like yeah, he lived in a cabin

2802
02:45:45,719 --> 02:45:50,319
because the FBI was looking for him. But he's saying

2803
02:45:50,399 --> 02:45:55,680
that you can find your psychological fulfillment in this a

2804
02:45:55,840 --> 02:45:58,959
process of gold attainment and reward. It has you have

2805
02:45:59,120 --> 02:46:01,159
to have a degree, and it gives the example of

2806
02:46:01,319 --> 02:46:05,760
like if you were well, I'll give this his damble.

2807
02:46:05,799 --> 02:46:09,360
If I was to play some four year old and chess,

2808
02:46:10,200 --> 02:46:13,680
I win. Let's see some prodigy weirdo. But I'm not

2809
02:46:13,719 --> 02:46:15,760
going to get any enjoyment out of that. It's like, yeah,

2810
02:46:16,239 --> 02:46:18,879
got your queen, whatever, got your king, And if I

2811
02:46:18,920 --> 02:46:22,040
played some supercomputer and I lost every time, there's no

2812
02:46:22,719 --> 02:46:26,239
fulfillment in just getting completely crossed or completely smashing at something.

2813
02:46:26,799 --> 02:46:30,040
There has to be a moderate amount of effort to

2814
02:46:30,239 --> 02:46:33,040
make the reward have value, to make the end of

2815
02:46:33,079 --> 02:46:36,760
the goal have value. Right, it doesn't. It doesn't even

2816
02:46:36,799 --> 02:46:39,559
have to have an endpoint, like with martial arts or

2817
02:46:39,600 --> 02:46:43,040
something like that. You could just constantly have self improvement,

2818
02:46:43,120 --> 02:46:46,280
getting better and better at at a certain set of skills, right,

2819
02:46:46,840 --> 02:46:48,719
because it takes a lot of effort to develop them

2820
02:46:49,159 --> 02:46:51,760
or whatever you're doing playing a piano playing when you

2821
02:46:51,920 --> 02:46:57,079
master a thing that's psychologically healthy, you don't really need

2822
02:46:57,360 --> 02:47:00,799
to play a piano or no muay Thai or whatever

2823
02:47:02,200 --> 02:47:04,239
for the end product. Kind of go around and get

2824
02:47:04,280 --> 02:47:06,280
in the street fights and I guess you could use

2825
02:47:06,479 --> 02:47:10,680
piano for money eventually, but that's not the point. It's like,

2826
02:47:11,479 --> 02:47:17,360
in learning the skill, you were exercising something that we

2827
02:47:17,639 --> 02:47:21,920
needed in evolution psychologically to go through goal attainment to

2828
02:47:23,159 --> 02:47:28,680
procure happiness and stability in your brain, and we don't

2829
02:47:28,799 --> 02:47:31,639
have any skills, which again, you look at leftists, they're

2830
02:47:31,639 --> 02:47:33,840
all a bunch of losers. That's why they get so

2831
02:47:33,959 --> 02:47:37,319
attracted to the easiest thing, which is to claim moral

2832
02:47:37,360 --> 02:47:40,920
superiority and champing around all these causes that have already

2833
02:47:40,959 --> 02:47:41,479
been resolved.

2834
02:47:45,639 --> 02:47:49,159
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate this, give your plugs and I'll let

2835
02:47:49,200 --> 02:47:50,120
you get back to your life.

2836
02:47:52,319 --> 02:47:55,760
Speaker 3: Well we get like we only talked to the very

2837
02:47:55,920 --> 02:47:58,120
end about the power process. That could be even a

2838
02:47:58,159 --> 02:48:01,639
part too, and that yeah, it does take part. It

2839
02:48:01,799 --> 02:48:04,520
does take some time to go over the over socialization

2840
02:48:04,719 --> 02:48:09,319
and the feelings of inferiority. And it's because that you

2841
02:48:09,479 --> 02:48:11,520
have to have that piece before you go to the

2842
02:48:11,600 --> 02:48:13,159
next part. But the next part is where it really

2843
02:48:13,200 --> 02:48:16,360
starts coming together. So what really adds to Uncle Ted,

2844
02:48:16,520 --> 02:48:20,440
Like why he's listen, the guy is serial killer? Fuck him,

2845
02:48:20,520 --> 02:48:23,040
you know, like that's we're just talking about his writing.

2846
02:48:23,440 --> 02:48:26,120
He's also a victim of n k Ultra, so that

2847
02:48:26,280 --> 02:48:30,360
you know, no one's praising his work because if he

2848
02:48:30,440 --> 02:48:32,440
sent bombs in the mail. To make that real clear,

2849
02:48:33,799 --> 02:48:36,559
that's not why. But what he says, what he said,

2850
02:48:36,959 --> 02:48:40,000
irrespective how he bathed, doesn't change what he wrote.

2851
02:48:40,520 --> 02:48:44,840
Speaker 1: But we might we we probably wouldn't be reading what

2852
02:48:45,000 --> 02:48:46,840
he wrote if he didn't send bombs in the mill.

2853
02:48:48,360 --> 02:48:51,760
Speaker 3: That's that's his argument, right, It's like, well, would you

2854
02:48:51,920 --> 02:48:57,000
have even noticed this if I hadn't done something super extreme, like, well,

2855
02:48:57,040 --> 02:48:59,520
if you had waited two more years, we could put

2856
02:48:59,520 --> 02:49:02,239
the whole man in festive online because when his ninety

2857
02:49:02,280 --> 02:49:04,079
five came out, and I would have read it, I

2858
02:49:04,079 --> 02:49:09,440
don't know, but yeah, hard to say. And it was

2859
02:49:09,559 --> 02:49:11,760
important enough for him, And if you look at some

2860
02:49:11,879 --> 02:49:14,920
of his targets, it's not I mean they're kind of

2861
02:49:14,959 --> 02:49:19,360
assholes too. That still that it was like because to him,

2862
02:49:19,440 --> 02:49:22,200
he sees this as an existential crisis. He's like, we're

2863
02:49:22,280 --> 02:49:26,200
going off the cliff in his mind, and.

2864
02:49:26,600 --> 02:49:29,840
Speaker 4: I look at the world, look at the world.

2865
02:49:29,920 --> 02:49:35,959
Speaker 3: Now. He's sadly correct in all his predictions thus far.

2866
02:49:37,200 --> 02:49:40,399
It just seems like, well, could you attempt to get

2867
02:49:40,440 --> 02:49:44,639
it out in a magazine or something first before you

2868
02:49:44,719 --> 02:49:47,799
sent the bombs? I don't know. Actually he did, so

2869
02:49:48,000 --> 02:49:50,319
that doesn't work either. Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

2870
02:49:51,879 --> 02:49:55,840
Maybe I'm just socialized to say, look, don't ever send

2871
02:49:55,920 --> 02:49:59,479
bombs to people, But I don't know. Maybe we wouldn't

2872
02:49:59,479 --> 02:50:04,559
have read it, but uh, he did do that, and

2873
02:50:04,639 --> 02:50:06,079
I did read it because of that. That's why I

2874
02:50:06,239 --> 02:50:09,159
was like, oh, what do you want to say? So bad? Right?

2875
02:50:09,360 --> 02:50:11,639
Like he did he went to jail for the rest

2876
02:50:11,680 --> 02:50:14,799
of his life and killed people just because he wanted

2877
02:50:14,840 --> 02:50:21,040
you to publish his book. I got to read that book. Yeah,

2878
02:50:21,319 --> 02:50:24,399
that's why I read it, and I mean eleven paragraphs.

2879
02:50:24,440 --> 02:50:28,239
Then I was like already telling other people to read it.

2880
02:50:28,280 --> 02:50:30,799
I'm like, whoa, he doesn't wonder they didn't want anybody

2881
02:50:30,840 --> 02:50:32,079
to see this right?

2882
02:50:33,639 --> 02:50:37,159
Speaker 1: Oh the wash Oh it's amazing that the Washington Post

2883
02:50:37,280 --> 02:50:39,280
was the first one to published this and they took

2884
02:50:40,200 --> 02:50:42,079
an insane amount of flack for it.

2885
02:50:42,559 --> 02:50:45,479
Speaker 3: No, no, it was Penthouse Magazine was really that wasn't good.

2886
02:50:45,879 --> 02:50:50,760
Penhouse published it, and then yeah, the newdi magazine, but

2887
02:50:50,879 --> 02:50:54,479
that wasn't a wide enough or serious enough publication for Ted.

2888
02:50:55,319 --> 02:50:59,840
And then his brother uh realized like, oh that's him

2889
02:50:59,879 --> 02:51:03,239
and told on him. But the Washington Post, yeah the most,

2890
02:51:03,319 --> 02:51:06,159
I guess. I mean, hell, I respect Penthouse more than

2891
02:51:06,239 --> 02:51:08,920
Washington Post after all, Like garbage is in the Washington

2892
02:51:09,040 --> 02:51:11,959
Post that you know, they're a bunch of warm mongering nuts.

2893
02:51:12,399 --> 02:51:15,239
But yeah, and it's the Washington Post Online still has

2894
02:51:15,399 --> 02:51:19,879
the whole manifesto, minus the He had a couple of

2895
02:51:20,200 --> 02:51:22,600
a couple of bits in Spanish that they've changed in English.

2896
02:51:22,639 --> 02:51:27,959
But yeah, that's about it. That's fluent in several languages.

2897
02:51:28,040 --> 02:51:30,959
By the way, he taught himself some more eyes in jail.

2898
02:51:32,040 --> 02:51:35,120
Oh wow, interesting, very interesting guy. Man. This is like,

2899
02:51:36,079 --> 02:51:37,920
it's like Mike Tyson man, Like the guy went to

2900
02:51:38,040 --> 02:51:40,040
jail for rape. I personally don't think he did it,

2901
02:51:40,079 --> 02:51:41,520
but he said he'd done other things that he had

2902
02:51:41,520 --> 02:51:44,440
gotten away with. I'd still interview him, you know what

2903
02:51:44,520 --> 02:51:48,239
I mean. I feel like it's not just because I

2904
02:51:48,319 --> 02:51:50,840
like boxing. I just like what a character. Man. Guys

2905
02:51:50,920 --> 02:51:54,000
had a really weird life, kicking Don King in the

2906
02:51:54,040 --> 02:51:56,200
head and going six months and an hour down the road.

2907
02:51:56,239 --> 02:51:56,840
And you know.

2908
02:52:00,000 --> 02:52:01,319
Speaker 4: Everybody where they can find your stuff.

2909
02:52:02,280 --> 02:52:04,719
Speaker 3: Well, I'm banned on almost everything, but I do have

2910
02:52:04,799 --> 02:52:08,559
a website, which is the Anti Neocon Report. It's a

2911
02:52:08,959 --> 02:52:12,559
n C report dot com. And I have a substack

2912
02:52:13,120 --> 02:52:17,559
just Ryan Dawson on substack, and uh yeah, I use

2913
02:52:17,639 --> 02:52:25,200
all the super alternative stuff Rumble, Otyssey, Gabs, and I'm

2914
02:52:25,239 --> 02:52:28,399
on Cozy TV now with the America Firsters. I have

2915
02:52:28,559 --> 02:52:30,399
nothing to do with them, but they let me on

2916
02:52:30,479 --> 02:52:36,799
the platform that's so cozy dot tv slash Dawson. Pretty

2917
02:52:36,879 --> 02:52:39,280
much every day at eight pm I'll do a live

2918
02:52:39,319 --> 02:52:39,799
stream there.

2919
02:52:41,000 --> 02:52:41,399
Speaker 4: Cool man.

2920
02:52:42,040 --> 02:52:42,760
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

2921
02:52:42,959 --> 02:52:43,200
Speaker 4: Thank you.

2922
02:52:43,680 --> 02:52:46,360
Speaker 3: I really enjoy talking to you about these kind of topics.

2923
02:52:46,360 --> 02:52:47,920
Peace Austin. I'm going to see in Texas.

2924
02:52:48,319 --> 02:52:51,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, all right, I'll talk to you later.

2925
02:52:52,719 --> 02:52:53,239
Speaker 3: Thanks. Bett.

2926
02:52:54,479 --> 02:52:55,319
Speaker 4: I want to welcome.

2927
02:52:55,120 --> 02:52:59,360
Speaker 1: Everyone back to the Pecan Show, returning the Prudentialist.

2928
02:53:00,559 --> 02:53:02,159
Speaker 6: I'm doing great, Pete, happy to be here.

2929
02:53:02,879 --> 02:53:04,120
Speaker 4: Thank you for joining me for this.

2930
02:53:04,520 --> 02:53:04,639
Speaker 3: Uh.

2931
02:53:05,079 --> 02:53:09,719
Speaker 1: These are always these are always fun to do. These

2932
02:53:09,760 --> 02:53:13,959
are always well received. When I read through the Whole

2933
02:53:14,959 --> 02:53:18,799
Industrial Society and its Future with my friend Aaron, like

2934
02:53:18,959 --> 02:53:21,360
the first episode we did on that is one of

2935
02:53:21,440 --> 02:53:22,920
my most downloaded episodes ever.

2936
02:53:23,159 --> 02:53:24,639
Speaker 4: I mean, it's like in the top five.

2937
02:53:25,000 --> 02:53:29,079
Speaker 1: And people really really enjoy hearing Ted because once you

2938
02:53:29,799 --> 02:53:32,520
read Ted, as you know you were sending me, you

2939
02:53:32,600 --> 02:53:34,239
sent me an article in the middle of the night

2940
02:53:34,360 --> 02:53:39,440
last night, You're just you're just laughing because it's it's

2941
02:53:39,520 --> 02:53:41,479
like I said before we started, there are things that

2942
02:53:41,520 --> 02:53:43,319
are going to make you laugh out loud, and then

2943
02:53:43,399 --> 02:53:46,040
there are things that are going to make you, you know,

2944
02:53:46,159 --> 02:53:47,200
throw your hands up.

2945
02:53:47,120 --> 02:53:49,639
Speaker 4: And go, you know, fuck, how do we get how

2946
02:53:49,680 --> 02:53:50,440
do we get past this?

2947
02:53:52,040 --> 02:53:55,200
Speaker 6: Yeah? Absolutely, I mean, whether it's reading like some what

2948
02:53:55,280 --> 02:53:57,319
will you call the classics, I guess, like the system's

2949
02:53:57,399 --> 02:54:00,799
neatest trick, or in you know, industrial society in its future.

2950
02:54:00,959 --> 02:54:04,840
I mean, there's a lot in there for you to

2951
02:54:04,920 --> 02:54:06,719
really take in and consider. And I mean I get

2952
02:54:06,799 --> 02:54:09,639
that he's a meme nowadays, which is kind of unfortunate

2953
02:54:09,760 --> 02:54:13,680
that this man's writing and intellectual canon is now going

2954
02:54:13,760 --> 02:54:16,520
to be reduced to kids always on them damn phones

2955
02:54:16,680 --> 02:54:20,239
kind of memes. But no, his writing I think is

2956
02:54:20,360 --> 02:54:23,159
essential for anyone on the right to kind of understand

2957
02:54:23,959 --> 02:54:26,840
what kind of you know, Genie we've let out at

2958
02:54:26,840 --> 02:54:30,200
the bottle, the sort of technological Pandora's box, and not

2959
02:54:30,399 --> 02:54:32,559
so much I would say, for I mean, there are

2960
02:54:32,639 --> 02:54:35,079
very real industrial problems and environmental issues that need to

2961
02:54:35,079 --> 02:54:39,040
be addressed, but also just the mass social psychology and

2962
02:54:39,159 --> 02:54:43,079
the impact that technology has on things like basic assumption groups,

2963
02:54:43,159 --> 02:54:45,399
the you know, the mind of the crowd, you know,

2964
02:54:45,600 --> 02:54:49,120
like just imagine Gustav Lebon with you know, with a smartphone,

2965
02:54:49,200 --> 02:54:51,120
like it's it's crazy to think about. But Ted gets

2966
02:54:51,159 --> 02:54:55,239
to it very clearly, even before the craziness of you know,

2967
02:54:55,319 --> 02:54:57,440
the post two thousand and seven smartphone age.

2968
02:54:58,680 --> 02:54:59,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, he.

2969
02:55:01,920 --> 02:55:07,600
Speaker 1: When once you get once you realize that he's writing

2970
02:55:07,840 --> 02:55:13,559
about the human condition more than he's writing about technology,

2971
02:55:13,840 --> 02:55:17,959
and it's really he's diagnosed in the human condition. I

2972
02:55:18,000 --> 02:55:20,280
mean people had done it before. You know, he was working.

2973
02:55:20,319 --> 02:55:22,879
He was basing off the work of works like JOCKA. Louwell,

2974
02:55:22,959 --> 02:55:29,040
people like that. He wasn't one hundred percent original in

2975
02:55:29,120 --> 02:55:33,399
his thought. But when he really starts, what he had

2976
02:55:33,559 --> 02:55:38,000
over a lule was he got to see technology go

2977
02:55:38,200 --> 02:55:38,879
even further.

2978
02:55:39,799 --> 02:55:41,840
Speaker 4: You know, it's like, you know, it's like.

2979
02:55:43,360 --> 02:55:47,040
Speaker 1: When you realize that, like Carl Schmidt lived into the

2980
02:55:47,120 --> 02:55:51,200
eighties and you're like everything that he saw and everything

2981
02:55:51,280 --> 02:55:53,600
that he wrote, and he's like, oh man, I mean

2982
02:55:54,399 --> 02:55:57,000
basically I was a prophet. And I mean that's why

2983
02:55:57,159 --> 02:56:00,399
you know, my friend Ryan calls Ted the prophet, because

2984
02:56:00,479 --> 02:56:02,920
he has predicted a lot of this.

2985
02:56:04,440 --> 02:56:07,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean when Ted first started writing, and even

2986
02:56:07,760 --> 02:56:09,879
after his time in prison, when he still continued to

2987
02:56:09,879 --> 02:56:12,639
write and correspond with those that had believed in his work,

2988
02:56:13,280 --> 02:56:13,760
I mean.

2989
02:56:14,000 --> 02:56:14,079
Speaker 2: You.

2990
02:56:15,920 --> 02:56:18,840
Speaker 6: He comes to conclusions that were just beginning to take

2991
02:56:18,920 --> 02:56:22,559
for granted, it's not like the pseudorealities that we all

2992
02:56:22,639 --> 02:56:24,600
live in that you know, well, you know Litman talked

2993
02:56:24,639 --> 02:56:29,159
about a century ago has changed. I mean a lul Lipmann, Bernez,

2994
02:56:29,639 --> 02:56:32,799
all of these folks, you know, he identified and then

2995
02:56:32,879 --> 02:56:36,840
realized that that can be technologically amplified by the ways

2996
02:56:36,920 --> 02:56:39,680
in which our industrial society lives in. And so yeah,

2997
02:56:39,719 --> 02:56:42,319
I mean when you look at him more of as

2998
02:56:42,399 --> 02:56:45,360
a writer of the human condition, like you said, you

2999
02:56:45,520 --> 02:56:49,000
really begin to understand that he is predicting and has predicted,

3000
02:56:49,040 --> 02:56:51,319
and I foresee that he will continue to be right

3001
02:56:51,639 --> 02:56:55,719
for long after my lifetime of where we're going. But

3002
02:56:55,799 --> 02:56:57,319
I think for what we're going to read today, he

3003
02:56:57,479 --> 02:57:01,079
sort of poses maybe he'll be right again, just in

3004
02:57:01,479 --> 02:57:03,639
the way that we all like to meme about with

3005
02:57:03,760 --> 02:57:08,239
the respects to collapse or catabolic collapse. And so I

3006
02:57:08,319 --> 02:57:10,440
think that we've got a good reading an episode for

3007
02:57:10,520 --> 02:57:11,040
your listeners.

3008
02:57:11,799 --> 02:57:15,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, this title is called why the Technological System Will

3009
02:57:15,079 --> 02:57:19,239
Destroy Itself? And if I'm correct reading it off of

3010
02:57:19,399 --> 02:57:23,079
the Anarchist Library website, it's from July twenty first, two

3011
02:57:23,200 --> 02:57:26,159
thy eleven, but it looks like it may not have

3012
02:57:26,280 --> 02:57:30,000
been released for a couple of years after he wrote it. Yeah,

3013
02:57:30,520 --> 02:57:33,440
so all right, let me share this and we'll get

3014
02:57:33,600 --> 02:57:38,799
to reading. Oh yeah, I had here. Here's the irony

3015
02:57:38,840 --> 02:57:41,280
of all ironies is. I got an email this morning

3016
02:57:42,559 --> 02:57:47,280
suggesting that when I should take classes on how to

3017
02:57:47,360 --> 02:57:53,920
read better, because apparently people want me to sound like

3018
02:57:54,000 --> 02:57:58,920
a robot. And I guess it's I guess it's not

3019
02:57:59,159 --> 02:58:01,760
folksy when I when I come across words that I

3020
02:58:01,840 --> 02:58:05,639
can't pronounce, I should be looking at every word beforehand

3021
02:58:05,840 --> 02:58:10,399
and be figuring that out. So no, I mean, thanks,

3022
02:58:10,719 --> 02:58:14,760
thank you for the suggestion, but I certainly will not

3023
02:58:14,920 --> 02:58:15,399
be doing that.

3024
02:58:17,479 --> 02:58:19,280
Speaker 6: If you want a robot to read you things, do

3025
02:58:19,399 --> 02:58:22,159
subscribe to our friend's skeptical waves. But I mean, I

3026
02:58:22,239 --> 02:58:25,920
think the human aspect of this is far more important.

3027
02:58:27,399 --> 02:58:30,360
Speaker 1: All right, So why the technological system will destroy itself?

3028
02:58:31,360 --> 02:58:34,319
Our discussion, and please stop me anytime.

3029
02:58:34,559 --> 02:58:35,120
Speaker 6: Absolutely.

3030
02:58:35,719 --> 02:58:39,440
Speaker 1: Our discussion deals with self propagating systems. By a self

3031
02:58:39,520 --> 02:58:43,159
propagating system self prop system for short, we mean a

3032
02:58:43,280 --> 02:58:46,680
system that tends to promote its own survival and propagation.

3033
02:58:47,600 --> 02:58:50,520
A system may propagate itself in either or both of

3034
02:58:50,639 --> 02:58:54,760
two ways. The system may indefinitely increase its own size

3035
02:58:54,799 --> 02:58:57,520
and or power, or it may give rise to new

3036
02:58:57,639 --> 02:59:02,280
systems that possess some of its own rates. The most

3037
02:59:02,360 --> 02:59:07,399
obvious examples of self propagating systems are biological organisms. Groups

3038
02:59:07,440 --> 02:59:12,360
of biological organisms can also constitute self prop systems, example,

3039
02:59:12,799 --> 02:59:16,520
wolf packs and hives wolf packs and hives of honeybees.

3040
02:59:17,200 --> 02:59:20,920
Particularly important for our purposes are self prop systems that

3041
02:59:21,040 --> 02:59:26,399
consist of groups of human beings, for example nations, corporations,

3042
02:59:26,600 --> 02:59:30,200
labor unions, and political parties. Also some groups that are

3043
02:59:30,280 --> 02:59:35,879
not cleverly delimited and lack formal organization, such as schools

3044
02:59:35,920 --> 02:59:40,959
of thought, social networks, and subcultures. Just as wolf packs

3045
02:59:41,040 --> 02:59:45,319
and beehives are self propagating without any conscious intention on

3046
02:59:45,440 --> 02:59:48,920
the part of wolves or bees to propagate their packs

3047
02:59:49,040 --> 02:59:51,719
or their hives, there is no reason why a human

3048
02:59:51,799 --> 02:59:55,719
group cannot be self propagating independently of any intention on

3049
02:59:55,840 --> 02:59:59,040
the part of the individuals who comprise that of the group.

3050
03:00:00,399 --> 03:00:04,040
Speaker 6: I mean, I wonder, though, you know, like, there's no

3051
03:00:04,120 --> 03:00:07,120
reason why human group can't be self propagating independently. I mean,

3052
03:00:07,280 --> 03:00:09,440
you know that would be basic human instinct right to

3053
03:00:09,520 --> 03:00:13,760
go out and reproduce. But we're not like wolves or honeybees,

3054
03:00:13,760 --> 03:00:16,639
where that's just instinctual go lay eggs or go have

3055
03:00:16,879 --> 03:00:19,680
you know, mate during while you're in heat. Now it's

3056
03:00:19,799 --> 03:00:22,120
just more of a conscious choice whether or not we

3057
03:00:22,239 --> 03:00:25,239
do it or not. So I wonder if we'll get

3058
03:00:25,280 --> 03:00:26,719
into that in this one, you know, whether or not

3059
03:00:26,840 --> 03:00:30,959
we'll see our conscious decision or our programming that we

3060
03:00:31,040 --> 03:00:33,079
see in these basic assumption groups, because it makes me

3061
03:00:33,120 --> 03:00:37,360
wonder if Kazynski's read like Wilford bayon On like social psychology.

3062
03:00:37,479 --> 03:00:40,600
But I mean we'll see. But yeah, self propagating got

3063
03:00:40,719 --> 03:00:43,639
a corrective systems kind of Marx system. It's analysis when

3064
03:00:43,760 --> 03:00:46,079
like Marx critiques like the essence of capital, because it

3065
03:00:46,120 --> 03:00:48,680
can be a self correcting system. But in this instance,

3066
03:00:48,799 --> 03:00:51,920
you know, self propagation means of survival, right.

3067
03:00:52,040 --> 03:00:58,399
Speaker 1: And mar Marx's analysis is, as Hans Armanopas says, true

3068
03:00:58,399 --> 03:01:01,879
about ninety percent of the time. Yeah, so it's worth

3069
03:01:01,920 --> 03:01:07,600
the read, just not the communists manifesto. Stop reading that people, it's.

3070
03:01:07,440 --> 03:01:07,920
Speaker 3: Not for you.

3071
03:01:09,399 --> 03:01:12,079
Speaker 1: If A and B are systems of any kind, self

3072
03:01:12,120 --> 03:01:15,639
propagating or not, and if A is a functioning component

3073
03:01:15,760 --> 03:01:19,280
of B, then we will call A a subsystem of B,

3074
03:01:19,799 --> 03:01:23,600
and we will call B a subsystem of A. For example,

3075
03:01:24,000 --> 03:01:28,479
in human hunting and gap during societies, individuals are members

3076
03:01:28,559 --> 03:01:34,760
of bands, and bands are often organized into tribes. Individuals, bands,

3077
03:01:34,920 --> 03:01:39,120
and tribes are all self prop systems. The individual is

3078
03:01:39,159 --> 03:01:42,000
a subsystem of the band, the band is a subsystem

3079
03:01:42,079 --> 03:01:44,680
of the tribe, and the tribe is a subsystem of

3080
03:01:44,840 --> 03:01:47,719
each band that belongs to it. And each band is

3081
03:01:47,760 --> 03:01:51,000
a subsystem of every individual who belongs to that band.

3082
03:01:51,920 --> 03:01:55,000
It is also true that each individual is a subsystem

3083
03:01:55,040 --> 03:01:57,520
of the tribe, and that the tribe is a supersystem

3084
03:01:57,959 --> 03:02:00,760
of every individual who belongs to a band that belongs

3085
03:02:00,840 --> 03:02:04,159
to the tribe. You want to go at that word, Salid,

3086
03:02:04,200 --> 03:02:04,559
I mean.

3087
03:02:04,879 --> 03:02:12,159
Speaker 6: I know, just he's outlining the basic social organization of

3088
03:02:12,239 --> 03:02:15,600
how this works here. I mean, bands, tribes, and individuals

3089
03:02:15,680 --> 03:02:18,959
can all be self prop systems, but we are subsystems

3090
03:02:18,959 --> 03:02:21,479
of that band if we belong to a social organization.

3091
03:02:21,840 --> 03:02:24,719
So outlining the maps here, got it.

3092
03:02:25,840 --> 03:02:29,200
Speaker 1: The principle of natural selection is operative not only in biology,

3093
03:02:29,319 --> 03:02:32,760
but in any environment in which self propagating systems are present.

3094
03:02:33,239 --> 03:02:36,760
The principle can be stated roughly as follows. Those self

3095
03:02:36,840 --> 03:02:39,959
propagating systems having the traits that best suit them to

3096
03:02:40,079 --> 03:02:44,520
survive and propagate themselves tend to survive and propagate themselves

3097
03:02:44,639 --> 03:02:49,840
better than other self propagating systems. This is, of course

3098
03:02:49,920 --> 03:02:53,360
an This, of course, is an obvious tautology. So it

3099
03:02:53,440 --> 03:02:56,319
tells us nothing new, but it can serve to call

3100
03:02:56,360 --> 03:03:01,000
our attention to factors that we might otherwise overlook. We

3101
03:03:01,079 --> 03:03:04,920
are about to advance several propositions. We can't prove these propositions,

3102
03:03:04,959 --> 03:03:08,319
but they are intuitively plausible, and they seem consistent with

3103
03:03:08,399 --> 03:03:12,520
the observable behavior of self propagating systems as represented by

3104
03:03:12,559 --> 03:03:19,000
biological organisms and human formal and informal organizations. In short,

3105
03:03:19,319 --> 03:03:22,399
we believe these propositions to be true or as close

3106
03:03:22,479 --> 03:03:25,440
to the truth as they can be for present purposes.

3107
03:03:26,840 --> 03:03:28,520
Do you want me to just go onto prop one? Yeah,

3108
03:03:28,719 --> 03:03:33,319
let's go for it, all right, Proposition one. In any

3109
03:03:33,440 --> 03:03:37,719
environment that is sufficiently rich, self propagating systems will arise,

3110
03:03:38,159 --> 03:03:41,079
and natural selection will lead to the evolution of self

3111
03:03:41,120 --> 03:03:47,760
propagating systems having increasingly complex, subtle, and sophisticated means of

3112
03:03:47,879 --> 03:03:50,000
surviving and propagating themselves.

3113
03:03:51,079 --> 03:03:53,159
Speaker 6: I mean, so far it seems like a pretty solid

3114
03:03:53,239 --> 03:03:56,840
proposition to take as truth. I mean, any environment that

3115
03:03:57,040 --> 03:04:00,440
is capable of supporting life leads to evolution. I mean,

3116
03:04:00,959 --> 03:04:04,760
numerous species other than human beings have complex formal systems

3117
03:04:04,760 --> 03:04:08,799
of communication, ants, honeybees, wolf packs, like he's already mentioned humans,

3118
03:04:09,559 --> 03:04:12,360
even you know, various monkeys and tribes like that that

3119
03:04:12,440 --> 03:04:16,319
we've observed that are aggressive or engage in war that

3120
03:04:16,399 --> 03:04:19,479
we've documented with chimpanzees. So yeah, I mean so far right,

3121
03:04:19,559 --> 03:04:21,760
like we're getting a pretty solid proposition for what's to

3122
03:04:21,840 --> 03:04:24,799
come here. I don't know what could be a corollary

3123
03:04:24,920 --> 03:04:28,120
to this other than you know, throughout the history of

3124
03:04:28,520 --> 03:04:32,399
you know, the evolutionary record that we've got, you know,

3125
03:04:32,479 --> 03:04:36,920
there's always been some kind of sophisticated tribal ways and

3126
03:04:37,040 --> 03:04:39,280
means of territory, scent marking, stuff like that.

3127
03:04:40,280 --> 03:04:43,959
Speaker 1: Sure, And I think this is also this is also

3128
03:04:44,120 --> 03:04:48,280
shining a light upon the fact that people will, if

3129
03:04:48,360 --> 03:04:52,399
people had, if it's sufficiently rich enough, that they will

3130
03:04:52,680 --> 03:04:55,840
create things to make their lives more easy, which makes

3131
03:04:55,879 --> 03:04:59,399
it which allows them to propagate themselves more efficiently.

3132
03:04:59,639 --> 03:05:03,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, self propagating system will have not only like complex

3133
03:05:03,159 --> 03:05:06,680
means of surviving, like social rules and stigmas, religions, et cetera.

3134
03:05:06,840 --> 03:05:09,719
But also technology, right.

3135
03:05:10,280 --> 03:05:11,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.

3136
03:05:12,079 --> 03:05:16,600
Speaker 1: Commenting on proposition one, natural selection operates relative to particular

3137
03:05:16,680 --> 03:05:19,639
periods of time. Let's start at some given point in

3138
03:05:19,760 --> 03:05:25,719
time that we can call time zero. I'm sorry, I

3139
03:05:25,760 --> 03:05:29,479
have those self prop systems that are most likely to

3140
03:05:29,559 --> 03:05:33,479
survive or have surviving progeny five years from time zero

3141
03:05:33,920 --> 03:05:36,680
are those that are best suited to survive and propagate

3142
03:05:36,760 --> 03:05:40,760
themselves in competition with other self prop systems during the

3143
03:05:40,840 --> 03:05:43,040
five year period following time zero.

3144
03:05:43,719 --> 03:05:48,200
Speaker 6: That feels like every basic you know, business one oh

3145
03:05:48,280 --> 03:05:50,879
one starting thing, Like you know, most businesses don't survive

3146
03:05:50,959 --> 03:05:54,959
in five years time. So I don't know why my

3147
03:05:55,040 --> 03:05:56,879
brain just went to that for some reason.

3148
03:05:56,959 --> 03:06:04,239
Speaker 1: But here we are, my brain into bodies lie millions

3149
03:06:04,280 --> 03:06:05,879
of bodies lying in a ditch on the.

3150
03:06:05,920 --> 03:06:11,159
Speaker 6: Side of the road, a real time zero. Let's go.

3151
03:06:12,760 --> 03:06:16,239
Speaker 1: These will not necessarily be the same as those self

3152
03:06:16,319 --> 03:06:19,399
prop systems that, in the absence of competition during the

3153
03:06:19,440 --> 03:06:22,120
five year period, would be best suited to survive and

3154
03:06:22,200 --> 03:06:26,840
propagate themselves during the thirty years following time zero. Similarly,

3155
03:06:27,000 --> 03:06:30,319
the systems best suited to survive competition during the first

3156
03:06:30,399 --> 03:06:34,319
thirty years following time zero are not necessarily those that,

3157
03:06:34,959 --> 03:06:37,600
in the absence of competition during the thirty year period,

3158
03:06:38,079 --> 03:06:41,079
would be best suited to survive and propagate themselves for

3159
03:06:41,200 --> 03:06:43,680
two hundred years and so forth.

3160
03:06:45,479 --> 03:06:48,879
Speaker 6: For basic evolutionary stuff, right there, I mean, you know,

3161
03:06:49,799 --> 03:06:53,959
humans from ten thousand years ago on the ice ages

3162
03:06:54,000 --> 03:06:55,440
probably wouldn't do so well today.

3163
03:06:55,959 --> 03:06:57,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's going to give an example here.

3164
03:06:57,840 --> 03:06:58,319
Speaker 6: Oh, there we go.

3165
03:06:59,120 --> 03:07:02,639
Speaker 1: For example, suppose a forested region is occupied by a

3166
03:07:02,719 --> 03:07:06,000
number of small rival kingdoms. These kingdoms that clear the

3167
03:07:06,079 --> 03:07:08,840
most land for agricultural use can plant more crops and

3168
03:07:08,920 --> 03:07:13,399
therefore can support a larger population than other kingdoms. This

3169
03:07:13,600 --> 03:07:16,920
gives them a military advantage over their rivals. If any

3170
03:07:17,040 --> 03:07:20,879
kingdom restrains itself from excessive forest clearance out of a

3171
03:07:20,959 --> 03:07:24,959
concern for the long term consequences, then that kingdom places

3172
03:07:25,000 --> 03:07:28,079
itself in a military disadvantage and is eliminated by the

3173
03:07:28,159 --> 03:07:32,719
most powerful kingdoms. Thus the region comes to be dominated

3174
03:07:32,760 --> 03:07:36,559
by kingdoms that cut down their forests recklessly. The resulting

3175
03:07:36,639 --> 03:07:40,520
deforestation leads eventually to ecological disaster and therefore to the

3176
03:07:40,600 --> 03:07:43,799
collapse of all the kingdoms. Here a trait that is

3177
03:07:43,879 --> 03:07:48,000
advantageous or even indispensable for a kingdom's short term survival,

3178
03:07:48,559 --> 03:07:52,000
Recklessness in cutting trees leads in the long term to

3179
03:07:52,120 --> 03:07:53,920
the demise of the same kingdom.

3180
03:07:55,520 --> 03:08:00,319
Speaker 6: The example, I see this actually with artificial intel jus

3181
03:08:00,360 --> 03:08:02,840
because I think that for those that are raising the

3182
03:08:02,920 --> 03:08:05,079
alarm bells for it, I mean, as much as that

3183
03:08:05,479 --> 03:08:08,159
Yudkowski guy looks like a total meme, Like I saw

3184
03:08:08,280 --> 03:08:11,600
him do an interview with a Ross Scott of Accursed

3185
03:08:11,680 --> 03:08:14,040
Farms on YouTube, and I mean he had like the

3186
03:08:14,159 --> 03:08:17,799
red T shirt, the like vest and the fedora and

3187
03:08:17,920 --> 03:08:21,719
he looked like a twenty eleven new atheist. But you know,

3188
03:08:22,159 --> 03:08:25,159
is as wild as some of his concerns can be.

3189
03:08:25,360 --> 03:08:28,239
Like I could foresee the same thing with like nuclear weapons,

3190
03:08:28,280 --> 03:08:32,479
there any basic technological accelerationist bent Like I wonder if

3191
03:08:32,559 --> 03:08:36,120
Kazenski ever had a chance to read Paul Varillio when

3192
03:08:36,159 --> 03:08:39,479
Paul Verlio was still alive, because you know, this is

3193
03:08:39,520 --> 03:08:41,479
a lot of what Verilio is concerned about us is

3194
03:08:41,520 --> 03:08:45,799
that we will inevitably, because humanity's technological progress is vastly

3195
03:08:45,879 --> 03:08:50,399
accelerated since the end of the nineteenth century, that we're

3196
03:08:50,440 --> 03:08:52,520
going to move ourselves so fast in a direction that

3197
03:08:52,719 --> 03:08:55,760
whatever accident that we may have, because each new invention

3198
03:08:55,920 --> 03:08:59,479
creates an accident that we're going to you know, inevitably

3199
03:08:59,520 --> 03:09:01,920
destroy her. And he talks about things like the genetic

3200
03:09:02,000 --> 03:09:06,079
Kiroshima and things like that, which is like on like paper, right,

3201
03:09:06,200 --> 03:09:09,040
unfathomably based name. But he's just like, no, like mankind

3202
03:09:09,079 --> 03:09:11,799
will accelerate with its technology, we may destroy ourselves because

3203
03:09:11,799 --> 03:09:13,079
of it. And I can't help but think about that

3204
03:09:13,239 --> 03:09:16,520
with this little example here, like short term survival right

3205
03:09:16,639 --> 03:09:20,000
in terms of like great power struggles. Geopolitically, you need

3206
03:09:20,040 --> 03:09:22,520
to be the strongest military. That tends to mean having

3207
03:09:22,559 --> 03:09:25,600
the largest army, which means having the largest population. And

3208
03:09:25,840 --> 03:09:28,159
so you see that kind of right now with say

3209
03:09:28,200 --> 03:09:30,120
like the US and China, right like, there's always these

3210
03:09:30,159 --> 03:09:33,959
fights over quantum computing and artificial intelligence, and China wants

3211
03:09:34,000 --> 03:09:36,879
to increase its nuclear weapons armaments and things like that,

3212
03:09:37,079 --> 03:09:41,000
and so you're in a weird position where all technological advancements,

3213
03:09:41,040 --> 03:09:44,319
which are ordinarily based in terms of military readiness, because

3214
03:09:44,360 --> 03:09:47,120
military readiness is usually the only way to guarantee survival

3215
03:09:47,159 --> 03:09:50,440
at the end of the day. I mean, this kind

3216
03:09:50,479 --> 03:09:53,200
of gives pathways to acceleration that can lead to severe

3217
03:09:53,719 --> 03:09:57,479
ecological consequences. But also, just like you know, millions must

3218
03:09:57,520 --> 03:09:58,680
die dot jpeg, you know.

3219
03:09:58,840 --> 03:10:04,159
Speaker 1: So the example illustrates the fact that where a self

3220
03:10:04,200 --> 03:10:08,000
prop system exercises foresight in the sense that concern for

3221
03:10:08,120 --> 03:10:11,040
its own long term survival and propagation leads it to

3222
03:10:11,559 --> 03:10:15,319
place limitations on its efforts for short term survival and propagation,

3223
03:10:15,920 --> 03:10:19,000
the system puts itself at a competitive disadvantage relative to

3224
03:10:19,079 --> 03:10:22,760
those self prop systems that pursue short term survival and

3225
03:10:22,920 --> 03:10:30,200
propagation without restraint. That leads us to proposition two. In

3226
03:10:30,280 --> 03:10:34,000
the short term, natural selection favors self propagating systems that

3227
03:10:34,200 --> 03:10:38,280
pursue their own short term advantage with little or no

3228
03:10:38,479 --> 03:10:43,559
regard for long term consequences. So he's, uh, we start

3229
03:10:43,639 --> 03:10:52,079
talking about high load time preference. Now seems to he's

3230
03:10:52,120 --> 03:10:54,440
on the side of one of those right here. Sure,

3231
03:10:54,840 --> 03:10:57,879
all right, So he says, a corollary to proposition two

3232
03:10:58,280 --> 03:11:04,319
is proposition three. Self propagating subsystems of a given supersystem

3233
03:11:04,799 --> 03:11:07,879
tend to become dependent on the supersystem and on the

3234
03:11:08,000 --> 03:11:11,520
specific conditions that prevail within the supersystem.

3235
03:11:12,520 --> 03:11:16,600
Speaker 6: Why am I thinking about certain cities in America.

3236
03:11:17,239 --> 03:11:17,440
Speaker 3: Yep.

3237
03:11:19,879 --> 03:11:23,760
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, but let's go on before I think it's stupid.

3238
03:11:25,719 --> 03:11:28,799
Speaker 1: This means that between the supersystem and its self prop

3239
03:11:28,959 --> 03:11:33,840
subsystems there tends to develop a relationship of such a

3240
03:11:34,000 --> 03:11:37,079
nature that in the event of destruction of the supersystem,

3241
03:11:37,440 --> 03:11:40,639
or of any destruction acceleration of changes in the conditions

3242
03:11:40,680 --> 03:11:45,319
prevailing within the supersystem, the subsystems can either survive nor

3243
03:11:45,399 --> 03:11:46,440
propagate themselves.

3244
03:11:49,079 --> 03:11:53,239
Speaker 6: I Q shredders, bioleninism, you know things that kind of

3245
03:11:53,319 --> 03:11:55,879
go part and parcel with a lot of like human

3246
03:11:55,959 --> 03:11:59,319
biodiversity talking points. I just I see them on display

3247
03:11:59,440 --> 03:12:03,520
right here. You know, a supersystem that can subsidize or

3248
03:12:03,680 --> 03:12:07,239
enable a variety of high time preference, you know, immediate

3249
03:12:07,360 --> 03:12:09,920
kind of survival strategies. If that thing were to go

3250
03:12:10,200 --> 03:12:13,239
down neck and a handbasket, things are going to get

3251
03:12:13,319 --> 03:12:16,200
really bad, really quickly. And my brain just thinks about

3252
03:12:16,280 --> 03:12:18,000
like when Biden took off to the end that meeting

3253
03:12:18,079 --> 03:12:21,200
with like Al Sharpton and other black leaders, and he's

3254
03:12:21,239 --> 03:12:22,760
just like, listen, like we're not going to be in

3255
03:12:22,879 --> 03:12:24,920
charge forever. We're not going to be the majority forever.

3256
03:12:25,159 --> 03:12:27,479
So you need to learn to get along with everybody else,

3257
03:12:28,000 --> 03:12:30,079
and he's just like the supersystem is going to change.

3258
03:12:31,319 --> 03:12:34,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's get let's keep going.

3259
03:12:34,719 --> 03:12:38,280
Speaker 1: A self prop system with sufficient foresight would make provision

3260
03:12:38,360 --> 03:12:41,440
for its own or its descendants survival in the event

3261
03:12:41,520 --> 03:12:45,559
of the collapse or destabilization of the supersystem. But as

3262
03:12:45,639 --> 03:12:49,440
long as the supersystem exists and remains more or less stable,

3263
03:12:50,040 --> 03:12:53,879
natural selection favors those subsystems that take fullest advantage of

3264
03:12:53,920 --> 03:12:59,319
the opportunities available within the supersystem, and disfavors those subsystems

3265
03:12:59,399 --> 03:13:02,280
that waste some of their resources in preparing themselves to

3266
03:13:02,360 --> 03:13:09,000
survive the eventual destabilization of the supersystem. Under these conditions,

3267
03:13:09,120 --> 03:13:12,360
self prop systems will tend very strongly to become incapable

3268
03:13:12,680 --> 03:13:17,159
of surviving the destabilization of any supersystem to which they belong.

3269
03:13:19,600 --> 03:13:22,479
Like the other propositions put forward in this essay, proposition

3270
03:13:22,600 --> 03:13:24,920
three has to be applied with a dose of common sense.

3271
03:13:25,680 --> 03:13:29,000
If the supersystem in question is weak and loosely organized,

3272
03:13:29,440 --> 03:13:31,840
or if it has no more than a modest effect

3273
03:13:32,239 --> 03:13:36,399
on the conditions in which its subsystems exist, the subsystems

3274
03:13:36,479 --> 03:13:41,440
may not become strongly dependent on the supersystem among hunter gatherers.

3275
03:13:41,559 --> 03:13:44,959
In some, not all environments, a nuclear family would be

3276
03:13:45,000 --> 03:13:48,440
able to survive and propagate itself independently of the band

3277
03:13:48,559 --> 03:13:52,239
to which it belongs. Because tribes of hunter gatherers are

3278
03:13:52,319 --> 03:13:55,760
loosely organized, it seems certain that in almost all cases,

3279
03:13:55,840 --> 03:13:59,280
a hunter gathering band would be able to survive independently

3280
03:13:59,360 --> 03:14:03,479
of the tribe to which it belongs. Many labor unions

3281
03:14:03,600 --> 03:14:06,239
might be able to survive the demise of a confederation

3282
03:14:06,360 --> 03:14:09,639
of labor unions such as the AFL CIO, because such

3283
03:14:09,680 --> 03:14:14,159
an event might not be because such an event might

3284
03:14:14,239 --> 03:14:18,120
not fundamentally affect the conditions under which labor unions have

3285
03:14:18,239 --> 03:14:22,000
some function. But labor unions could not survive the demise

3286
03:14:22,079 --> 03:14:25,799
of the modern industrial society, or even the demise merely

3287
03:14:25,959 --> 03:14:30,239
of the legal and constitutional framework that makes it possible

3288
03:14:30,319 --> 03:14:32,719
for labor unions as we know them to operate.

3289
03:14:34,440 --> 03:14:37,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean at the I'm already thinking of government here, right,

3290
03:14:37,719 --> 03:14:39,879
I mean, you would want and this sort of does

3291
03:14:39,959 --> 03:14:43,319
echo the truth right of like Happa and others, that

3292
03:14:43,440 --> 03:14:47,639
you kind of do want a destabilized system here, because

3293
03:14:47,680 --> 03:14:51,120
democracy has a tendency to self perpetuate in a way

3294
03:14:51,200 --> 03:14:55,120
that collectivizes itself more power from others. Right, you develop

3295
03:14:55,159 --> 03:14:58,920
a patronage network to where political machines now they solely

3296
03:14:59,079 --> 03:15:03,559
exist for the purpose of propagating and maintaining, say grievances

3297
03:15:04,120 --> 03:15:06,280
or like a specific racial bent. I mean, I know

3298
03:15:06,360 --> 03:15:08,479
that La Rasa has changed its name, right, but like

3299
03:15:08,559 --> 03:15:11,399
even then, right, if immigration were to stop tomorrow, Like,

3300
03:15:11,559 --> 03:15:14,959
how long term could La Rasa function or exist, especially

3301
03:15:15,120 --> 03:15:19,760
like deportation. These sort of political superstructures that we have,

3302
03:15:19,920 --> 03:15:24,079
like legal frameworks, constitutional understanding, I mean, they're also cultural, right, Like,

3303
03:15:24,239 --> 03:15:27,360
so even if the constitution disappears tomorrow, there's still a

3304
03:15:27,440 --> 03:15:31,440
large portion of people that woult adhere to constitutional you know,

3305
03:15:31,559 --> 03:15:35,440
Anglo American liberal principles of democracy and freedom. But how

3306
03:15:35,520 --> 03:15:38,040
well does that function now when there's no rule of

3307
03:15:38,159 --> 03:15:41,399
law governing authority? And so you know, it's not just

3308
03:15:41,520 --> 03:15:44,120
organized labor, but I mean it's the basic components of

3309
03:15:44,799 --> 03:15:48,120
you know, the peace and quiet and you know suburban

3310
03:15:48,200 --> 03:15:52,879
lifestyle that so many Americans enjoyed nowadays. And you know

3311
03:15:52,959 --> 03:15:55,120
once you and I mean you also see this too

3312
03:15:55,239 --> 03:15:59,319
with respects to you know, the creation of new tribes

3313
03:15:59,360 --> 03:16:02,120
and territory. I mean, everyone like sort of picks like

3314
03:16:02,239 --> 03:16:04,959
the Psych's Pico Treaty with respects to the Middle East.

3315
03:16:05,040 --> 03:16:07,280
But I mean even then, right, like you now have

3316
03:16:07,399 --> 03:16:11,079
to deal with like illegal superstructure borders that aren't yours,

3317
03:16:11,559 --> 03:16:13,360
but at the same time they are yours now because

3318
03:16:13,399 --> 03:16:16,079
you're technically sovereign, and all of a sudden, you're now

3319
03:16:16,120 --> 03:16:18,440
having to deal with the competition of like various different

3320
03:16:18,440 --> 03:16:21,600
ethnic groups, religious diversity, and institutions that are all trying

3321
03:16:21,680 --> 03:16:26,120
to make do. And it kind of proposes this interesting

3322
03:16:26,200 --> 03:16:30,040
corollary to this point here, because now all these subsystems

3323
03:16:30,239 --> 03:16:33,680
are still surviving without the overarching superstructure of say like

3324
03:16:33,799 --> 03:16:37,520
sovereign Iraqi government, because you still have the Kurdistan regional government,

3325
03:16:37,559 --> 03:16:40,000
you have a lot of like schie influence from Iran,

3326
03:16:40,760 --> 03:16:43,200
the Sunnis are not as popular as they were once were,

3327
03:16:43,239 --> 03:16:45,040
and then you have various other little minority groups and

3328
03:16:45,120 --> 03:16:48,879
sort of does illustrate that if you haven't attained like

3329
03:16:49,000 --> 03:16:53,120
a singularity of like total centralization of state power, then

3330
03:16:53,319 --> 03:16:55,319
you know things are probably going to continue on as

3331
03:16:55,399 --> 03:16:58,440
business as usual. Is Kazinski is writing here, But I

3332
03:16:58,479 --> 03:17:02,440
mean in a state like Germany or the UK or

3333
03:17:02,639 --> 03:17:05,840
Canada where there's like a national health service. Like there's

3334
03:17:05,920 --> 03:17:08,479
like little to no federal aspects. I mean you have

3335
03:17:08,520 --> 03:17:10,680
local councils and things, but everything really is more or

3336
03:17:10,760 --> 03:17:14,440
less determined by Parliament or worse, Brussels or the European Union.

3337
03:17:15,399 --> 03:17:17,200
I don't know how you survive if you got rid

3338
03:17:17,239 --> 03:17:19,920
of those things and you saw that. I think most

3339
03:17:20,319 --> 03:17:24,639
eloquently with you know, Brexit, because we want to leave

3340
03:17:24,719 --> 03:17:27,000
the superstructure. We think that we can do just fine

3341
03:17:27,040 --> 03:17:29,360
with our own national government, our own national sovereignty, our

3342
03:17:29,360 --> 03:17:32,959
own will so be it. And for three years, right

3343
03:17:33,120 --> 03:17:35,680
like Brussels would like campaign for the lib Dems to

3344
03:17:35,719 --> 03:17:39,159
get another referendum, you would get the Home Office actively

3345
03:17:39,239 --> 03:17:42,200
working against those interests because they saw themselves as dependent

3346
03:17:42,760 --> 03:17:45,239
on the legal superstructure. Those are their sinecures, those are

3347
03:17:45,280 --> 03:17:48,239
their jobs, those were their gimmes, those were their ways

3348
03:17:48,319 --> 03:17:51,440
to get more money and to rule indirectly. And so

3349
03:17:51,680 --> 03:17:54,600
we're just in a really interesting position now where we're

3350
03:17:54,639 --> 03:17:59,360
now watching transnational legal superstructures trying to create more dependent

3351
03:17:59,440 --> 03:18:03,680
states and it's self propagating. And once again because in

3352
03:18:03,719 --> 03:18:04,840
Ski's kind of on point.

3353
03:18:04,719 --> 03:18:09,120
Speaker 1: Here, well, I wonder if the United States, because of

3354
03:18:09,239 --> 03:18:13,000
federalism and because of a history, especially in the South

3355
03:18:13,079 --> 03:18:18,200
of localism is probably better better than most places to

3356
03:18:18,360 --> 03:18:21,920
survive it. You know, you mentioned HAPPA in the beginning,

3357
03:18:22,000 --> 03:18:26,079
and I mean in nineteen ninety seven, Happa was laying

3358
03:18:26,159 --> 03:18:32,799
out localism as you know, local bonds, building up local economy,

3359
03:18:32,799 --> 03:18:33,639
as things like that.

3360
03:18:34,440 --> 03:18:34,520
Speaker 3: And.

3361
03:18:36,440 --> 03:18:39,959
Speaker 1: All right, so after that little break there, Yeah, what

3362
03:18:40,000 --> 03:18:42,239
I was saying about the small subsystems in the United

3363
03:18:42,319 --> 03:18:43,079
States is that.

3364
03:18:44,959 --> 03:18:46,200
Speaker 4: HAPA had started talking.

3365
03:18:46,040 --> 03:18:49,520
Speaker 1: About that in nineteen ninety seven, and twenty five years later,

3366
03:18:50,559 --> 03:18:52,479
it looks like twenty six years later, it looks like

3367
03:18:52,520 --> 03:18:56,399
he was a prophet when you consider basically how our

3368
03:18:56,520 --> 03:18:57,760
national is breaking down.

3369
03:18:58,719 --> 03:19:01,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I mean, I think what Kazinsky is also

3370
03:19:01,920 --> 03:19:06,799
really just getting it here, is that a self prop system, right, Like,

3371
03:19:07,280 --> 03:19:09,840
it's like the social version of grey gou Right. Everyone

3372
03:19:09,920 --> 03:19:11,920
tells you that, like nano machines write paper Like the

3373
03:19:11,959 --> 03:19:14,680
most common example is like make paper clips, and the

3374
03:19:14,799 --> 03:19:17,120
AI you know, tells itself, Okay, well we'll make all

3375
03:19:17,120 --> 03:19:18,639
the paper clips in the world, which means we're gonna

3376
03:19:18,639 --> 03:19:20,760
eat all of humanity, all of the earth, and it'll

3377
03:19:20,760 --> 03:19:23,760
be nothing but a giant paper clip machine. Whereas in

3378
03:19:23,840 --> 03:19:26,120
this instance, he's just talking about on a social level,

3379
03:19:26,200 --> 03:19:29,239
on an evolutionary biology and psychology level, like a self

3380
03:19:29,280 --> 03:19:32,079
prop system is always going to centralize. I mean we

3381
03:19:32,159 --> 03:19:34,399
see that with bertrand to juvenile like on power the

3382
03:19:34,479 --> 03:19:37,159
natural history of its growth, that tends to happen that

3383
03:19:37,239 --> 03:19:39,799
you want to sort of make sure that you can't

3384
03:19:39,920 --> 03:19:43,600
be not as dependent on that system, especially with the

3385
03:19:43,680 --> 03:19:47,079
high low versus middle model, and so yeah, I mean,

3386
03:19:47,159 --> 03:19:49,879
Happa and Kazinski here kind of make a very important

3387
03:19:49,959 --> 03:19:55,520
point that unless you are not dependent on those structures,

3388
03:19:55,559 --> 03:19:57,239
I mean we I mean there's plenty of things like

3389
03:19:57,319 --> 03:20:00,520
unless you're an off gritter, right, I mean most people

3390
03:20:00,600 --> 03:20:03,680
that you know have like farms or gardens and can

3391
03:20:03,719 --> 03:20:06,799
take care of themselves, Like they're still dependent on you know,

3392
03:20:06,879 --> 03:20:08,920
the laws and taxes and things like that, even though

3393
03:20:08,920 --> 03:20:11,159
we complained about them every April fifteenth or so. I mean,

3394
03:20:11,239 --> 03:20:14,200
like it really does illustrate what you were saying earlier

3395
03:20:14,239 --> 03:20:17,360
before we took that little break there was that about

3396
03:20:17,399 --> 03:20:20,079
the South. I mean why even though like the Civil

3397
03:20:20,120 --> 03:20:23,200
War has been over since eighteen sixty five, I mean,

3398
03:20:23,520 --> 03:20:26,079
people still want to go to war with the concept

3399
03:20:26,159 --> 03:20:30,479
of the South because despite that huge reunification sort of

3400
03:20:30,559 --> 03:20:34,479
American americanization identity, especially in the late nineteenth century, early

3401
03:20:34,600 --> 03:20:37,680
nineteen or early nineteen hundreds, the South is still the

3402
03:20:37,760 --> 03:20:42,000
only place that has maintained a regional identity where people

3403
03:20:42,040 --> 03:20:45,799
still know each other, people still remain you know, like

3404
03:20:45,840 --> 03:20:47,920
the very skeptical of outsiders and things like that. But

3405
03:20:48,040 --> 03:20:51,479
nowadays it's that they still want that gone. They still

3406
03:20:51,559 --> 03:20:54,360
wish that they could burn down, you know, in March

3407
03:20:54,479 --> 03:20:56,719
to the South that they so wish, And I think

3408
03:20:56,719 --> 03:20:59,799
it does illustrate that on paper, the federal system that

3409
03:20:59,840 --> 03:21:03,479
the United States have may offer a nice defense to this,

3410
03:21:03,680 --> 03:21:07,079
but we are the federalism we have is what is

3411
03:21:07,239 --> 03:21:10,639
often called coercive federalism by a lot of con law scholars.

3412
03:21:10,719 --> 03:21:14,079
That you know, it's playball or no money for you.

3413
03:21:14,840 --> 03:21:18,079
And again it's a subject of taxation and revenues. What

3414
03:21:18,239 --> 03:21:20,280
Joseph Sobern was talking about back in the eighties that

3415
03:21:20,520 --> 03:21:23,120
just you know, we talk about taxation, it's theft and

3416
03:21:23,120 --> 03:21:26,000
it's confiscation because it's the ultimate tool of political power

3417
03:21:26,120 --> 03:21:30,959
the state uses to rob you and then fund your enemies.

3418
03:21:31,280 --> 03:21:34,200
And we see this here like we rob you because

3419
03:21:34,200 --> 03:21:36,399
we want the superstructure to live and we want you

3420
03:21:36,559 --> 03:21:39,920
dependent and in the long term that may not guarantee

3421
03:21:39,920 --> 03:21:40,600
your survival.

3422
03:21:41,120 --> 03:21:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean I grew up up north and

3423
03:21:44,639 --> 03:21:47,760
I moved to the South on purpose, and I don't

3424
03:21:47,760 --> 03:21:48,799
think I'm ever leaving here.

3425
03:21:48,920 --> 03:21:49,079
Speaker 3: Man.

3426
03:21:49,680 --> 03:21:55,959
Speaker 1: It's just it's totally it's much different vibe, much different vibe,

3427
03:21:56,040 --> 03:21:59,399
especially the small town. We're getting ready to move to

3428
03:21:59,440 --> 03:22:02,120
a small town, and I mean the people are already

3429
03:22:02,280 --> 03:22:04,799
like I'm sure it's because it's like, hey, who are

3430
03:22:04,879 --> 03:22:08,840
these people and everything, but I almost feel like they

3431
03:22:09,079 --> 03:22:13,000
chose us to buy this house and have this land

3432
03:22:13,120 --> 03:22:15,680
because it was you know, they looked at us and

3433
03:22:15,719 --> 03:22:17,879
they're like, these are the kind of people we went

3434
03:22:17,959 --> 03:22:18,399
around here.

3435
03:22:19,120 --> 03:22:19,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

3436
03:22:19,600 --> 03:22:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the selling agent was actually like there,

3437
03:22:23,719 --> 03:22:26,360
her family like owns half the land in the town.

3438
03:22:27,280 --> 03:22:30,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like how they're safe.

3439
03:22:30,479 --> 03:22:33,600
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's uh, they're going to do everything they

3440
03:22:33,639 --> 03:22:37,799
can to protect what they have. So I'm pretty sure

3441
03:22:37,920 --> 03:22:39,879
that that town's not going to go to shit like

3442
03:22:39,959 --> 03:22:40,600
other places.

3443
03:22:41,600 --> 03:22:43,159
Speaker 4: So all right, moving on.

3444
03:22:44,000 --> 03:22:47,040
Speaker 1: Clearly, a system cannot be effectively organized for its own

3445
03:22:47,120 --> 03:22:50,159
survival and propagation unless the different parts of the system

3446
03:22:50,559 --> 03:22:53,799
can promptly communicate with one another and lend aid to

3447
03:22:53,920 --> 03:22:57,719
one another. Moreover, it, in order to operate effectively throughout

3448
03:22:57,760 --> 03:23:01,239
a given geographical region, a health prop system must be

3449
03:23:01,360 --> 03:23:05,920
able to receive prompt information from and act promptly upon

3450
03:23:06,600 --> 03:23:10,959
every part of the region. Consequently, and this is proposition four.

3451
03:23:11,840 --> 03:23:16,360
Problems problems of transportation and communication impose a limit on

3452
03:23:16,440 --> 03:23:19,360
the size of the geographical region over which a self

3453
03:23:19,440 --> 03:23:22,079
prop system can extend its operation.

3454
03:23:23,879 --> 03:23:27,719
Speaker 6: Hmm, I wonder if he'll let's I'm trying. I'm trying

3455
03:23:27,760 --> 03:23:30,719
to read ahead and see this because I mean, we

3456
03:23:30,840 --> 03:23:33,680
have the I mean, communication is almost instantaneous. I mean

3457
03:23:33,760 --> 03:23:37,920
and to a point where you know, Americans and you know,

3458
03:23:38,159 --> 03:23:42,159
flyover country can watch like live stream go pro footage

3459
03:23:42,200 --> 03:23:45,600
of like the war in Ukraine and it's just like, ah, well,

3460
03:23:46,079 --> 03:23:48,000
we'll see. But even then, right like, you're not gonna

3461
03:23:48,000 --> 03:23:51,000
have total access to information. Law enforcements a really good example.

3462
03:23:51,000 --> 03:23:53,000
A lot of the FBI is dependent on access to

3463
03:23:53,319 --> 03:23:57,680
local info from cops and vice versa. So there's probably

3464
03:23:57,760 --> 03:24:01,840
problems obviously, but I mean we've got some pretty instantaneous

3465
03:24:02,159 --> 03:24:06,559
near you know, penotocon like you know, control over how

3466
03:24:06,639 --> 03:24:09,959
information flows and what we can monitor right.

3467
03:24:10,799 --> 03:24:11,559
Speaker 4: So, he says.

3468
03:24:12,159 --> 03:24:16,680
Speaker 1: Building off proposition four, human experience suggests proposition five. The

3469
03:24:16,760 --> 03:24:19,319
most important and the only consistent limit on the size

3470
03:24:19,360 --> 03:24:22,840
of the geographical regions over which self propagating human groups

3471
03:24:22,920 --> 03:24:26,719
extend their operations is the limit imposed by the available

3472
03:24:26,799 --> 03:24:30,639
means of transportation and communication. In other words, while not

3473
03:24:30,840 --> 03:24:34,719
all self propagating human groups tend to extend their operations

3474
03:24:34,840 --> 03:24:39,000
over a region of maximum size, natural selection tends to

3475
03:24:39,079 --> 03:24:43,319
produce some self propagating human groups that operate over regions

3476
03:24:43,399 --> 03:24:48,239
approaching the maximum size allowable by the allowed by the

3477
03:24:48,319 --> 03:24:50,879
available means of transportation and communication.

3478
03:24:52,239 --> 03:24:55,079
Speaker 6: I can just hear mat iglesias. You know shilling is

3479
03:24:55,440 --> 03:24:57,040
one billion Americans.

3480
03:24:56,600 --> 03:25:02,360
Speaker 1: Book today there is excuse me today there is quick

3481
03:25:02,440 --> 03:25:06,159
transportation and almost instant communication between any two parts of

3482
03:25:06,200 --> 03:25:11,719
the world, Hence proposition six. In modern times, natural selection

3483
03:25:11,879 --> 03:25:15,600
tends to produce some self propagating human groups whose operations

3484
03:25:15,639 --> 03:25:20,479
span the entire globe. Moreover, even if humans are someday

3485
03:25:20,559 --> 03:25:24,520
replaced by machines or other entities, natural selection will still

3486
03:25:24,639 --> 03:25:28,920
tend to produce some self propagating systems whose operations span

3487
03:25:29,079 --> 03:25:35,159
the entire globe. Current experience strongly confirms this proposition. We

3488
03:25:35,280 --> 03:25:40,559
see global superpowers, global corporations, global political movements, global religions,

3489
03:25:40,959 --> 03:25:45,479
global criminal networks, etc. Proposition six, we argue, is not

3490
03:25:45,600 --> 03:25:48,920
dependent on any particular traits of human beings, but only

3491
03:25:49,000 --> 03:25:52,840
on the general properties of self prop systems. So there

3492
03:25:52,920 --> 03:25:55,399
is no reason to doubt that the proposition will remain

3493
03:25:55,559 --> 03:25:59,479
true if and when humans are replaced by other entities.

3494
03:26:00,280 --> 03:26:03,520
Natural selection will continue to will continue to produce or

3495
03:26:03,639 --> 03:26:08,719
maintain self prop systems whose operations span the entire globe.

3496
03:26:10,079 --> 03:26:12,959
Speaker 6: I like is if and when you know, he seems

3497
03:26:13,000 --> 03:26:16,399
pretty sure they're which I mean, I don't blame him.

3498
03:26:16,479 --> 03:26:18,639
We're likely to replace ourselves with something.

3499
03:26:19,239 --> 03:26:23,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's refer to such systems as global self prop systems.

3500
03:26:24,040 --> 03:26:27,879
Instant worldwide communications are still a relatively new phenomenon, and

3501
03:26:28,000 --> 03:26:31,680
their full consequences have yet to be developed. In the future,

3502
03:26:31,959 --> 03:26:34,600
we can expect global self prop systems to play an

3503
03:26:34,680 --> 03:26:36,440
even more important role than they.

3504
03:26:36,399 --> 03:26:40,040
Speaker 4: Do today Proposition seven.

3505
03:26:41,280 --> 03:26:44,840
Speaker 1: Where As today problems of transportation and communication do not

3506
03:26:44,959 --> 03:26:49,159
constitute effective limitations on the size of the geographical regions

3507
03:26:49,280 --> 03:26:53,920
over which self propagating systems operate, natural selection tends to

3508
03:26:54,040 --> 03:26:57,559
create a world in which power is mostly concentrated in

3509
03:26:57,639 --> 03:27:01,079
the possession of a relatively small numbers of global self

3510
03:27:01,159 --> 03:27:02,399
propagating systems.

3511
03:27:04,280 --> 03:27:05,200
Speaker 3: So far, so true.

3512
03:27:05,639 --> 03:27:08,319
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I don't think any of us are gonna argue.

3513
03:27:08,760 --> 03:27:15,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, relatively small number of global self propagating systems.

3514
03:27:15,719 --> 03:27:18,520
All right, well your choices are global homo right now,

3515
03:27:18,680 --> 03:27:21,440
and you know, some kind of third worlds and this

3516
03:27:21,600 --> 03:27:25,840
is what we're getting pushed here, yeah, or bricks. Well,

3517
03:27:28,159 --> 03:27:31,799
that nice multipolar rules based system where we're going to

3518
03:27:31,879 --> 03:27:35,399
repeat the same like you know, racialized talking points from

3519
03:27:35,440 --> 03:27:37,879
the Cold War, like you know, the more things change,

3520
03:27:37,879 --> 03:27:39,399
the more they safe the same. But here are the

3521
03:27:39,440 --> 03:27:42,239
small number of global self propagating systems.

3522
03:27:44,440 --> 03:27:48,639
Speaker 1: This proposition, too, is suggested by human experience, but it's

3523
03:27:48,719 --> 03:27:51,360
easy to see why the proposition is true independently of

3524
03:27:51,479 --> 03:27:55,959
anything specifically human. Among global self prop systems, natural selection

3525
03:27:56,079 --> 03:27:59,200
will favor those that have greater power. Great will have

3526
03:27:59,319 --> 03:28:02,840
the greatest power. Global or large scale self prop systems

3527
03:28:02,879 --> 03:28:05,879
that are weaker will tend to be eliminated or subjugated.

3528
03:28:07,120 --> 03:28:10,360
Small scale self prop systems that are too numerous or

3529
03:28:10,479 --> 03:28:13,760
too subtle to be noticed individually by the dominant global

3530
03:28:13,840 --> 03:28:17,799
self prop systems may retain some degree of autonomy, but

3531
03:28:17,959 --> 03:28:20,760
each of them will have only local influence.

3532
03:28:21,959 --> 03:28:22,360
Speaker 3: It may be.

3533
03:28:22,479 --> 03:28:25,680
Speaker 1: Answered that a coalition of small scale self prop systems

3534
03:28:25,719 --> 03:28:29,120
could challenge the global self prop systems. But if small

3535
03:28:29,200 --> 03:28:32,639
scale self prop systems organize themselves into a coalition having

3536
03:28:32,719 --> 03:28:36,879
worldwide influence, the coalition will itself become a global self

3537
03:28:36,959 --> 03:28:37,760
prop system.

3538
03:28:38,600 --> 03:28:42,680
Speaker 6: He just basically described the network state, you know, or

3539
03:28:42,799 --> 03:28:44,520
the yeah, what is it called the network state or

3540
03:28:44,520 --> 03:28:46,719
the startup state or something like that, or that book

3541
03:28:46,760 --> 03:28:50,040
that that Indian guy wrote the other year, just talking

3542
03:28:50,079 --> 03:28:54,639
about how like startup culture and small localized communities, like

3543
03:28:54,799 --> 03:28:58,079
you know, it can generate autonomy inside already autonomous territory.

3544
03:28:58,159 --> 03:29:01,280
You have the network states when it's called and it

3545
03:29:01,440 --> 03:29:03,079
just yeah, he just calls it out like that'll just

3546
03:29:03,120 --> 03:29:07,600
become a global self prop system of startup culture. So,

3547
03:29:07,920 --> 03:29:10,000
I mean, it's funny. I think I'm just this is

3548
03:29:10,040 --> 03:29:11,879
a side note here, but it's just like all these

3549
03:29:11,959 --> 03:29:16,120
like sort of you know, big pushing for small scale

3550
03:29:16,159 --> 03:29:19,719
self prop systems. It's all pushed by like X or

3551
03:29:19,959 --> 03:29:25,319
currently Silicon valley guys or techno optimistic leftists that are like, well,

3552
03:29:25,440 --> 03:29:27,399
maybe we should plan ahead for the future and talk

3553
03:29:27,440 --> 03:29:29,959
about like regenerative farming. I think about like the Rhizomas

3554
03:29:29,959 --> 03:29:33,280
school and things like that. And so you know, there

3555
03:29:33,719 --> 03:29:37,520
there's this like cognizant self awareness that like the track

3556
03:29:37,600 --> 03:29:40,399
that we're going on that Kazinski's talking about here, like

3557
03:29:40,520 --> 03:29:42,760
we're we need to plan ahead for the future. But

3558
03:29:42,840 --> 03:29:45,319
at the same time, right, you're also trying to prop

3559
03:29:45,399 --> 03:29:47,920
yourself up. And this what would inevitably become like a

3560
03:29:47,959 --> 03:29:50,719
global self prop system. And so you can either retain

3561
03:29:50,840 --> 03:29:53,159
local regional autonomy because I think they've got like something

3562
03:29:53,200 --> 03:29:57,079
in like Uruguay or whatever to help farm, or you

3563
03:29:57,360 --> 03:30:01,520
inevitably get subjugated, which I mean most techno optimism I

3564
03:30:01,559 --> 03:30:03,879
see that gets talked about, whether it's like Palladium or

3565
03:30:03,920 --> 03:30:07,120
any like venture capitalist. Right, like, all of these things

3566
03:30:07,159 --> 03:30:11,040
are still predicated on the super system, either of the

3567
03:30:11,200 --> 03:30:16,360
usg right, or of like the global economic system still existing.

3568
03:30:17,079 --> 03:30:20,639
And so you know what resistance are you willing to

3569
03:30:20,719 --> 03:30:23,760
have that either doesn't like completely destroy it or replace it,

3570
03:30:23,879 --> 03:30:27,520
right power transition theory one oh one, or are you

3571
03:30:27,600 --> 03:30:30,840
willing to play a little push and pull with the

3572
03:30:31,120 --> 03:30:34,360
current superstructure. And I mean I think that Kazinski, and

3573
03:30:34,399 --> 03:30:36,319
I think anyone sort of on the right at this

3574
03:30:36,360 --> 03:30:38,159
point is going to look at the global superstructure and

3575
03:30:38,200 --> 03:30:40,040
be like, well, this is not poised to last for

3576
03:30:40,239 --> 03:30:44,520
very long. So I mean, we'll see where he goes

3577
03:30:44,520 --> 03:30:46,319
on here, but yeah, world systems. There we go a

3578
03:30:46,360 --> 03:30:50,280
little bit of Wallerstein right there. So I'll just shut

3579
03:30:50,360 --> 03:30:51,200
up and we'll keep reading.

3580
03:30:51,959 --> 03:30:54,120
Speaker 1: Well, the interesting thing here is I have an episode

3581
03:30:54,200 --> 03:30:57,280
with my friend Tommy Simmons, who's been he is, like

3582
03:30:57,399 --> 03:30:59,280
on the ESG stuff four years ago.

3583
03:30:59,680 --> 03:31:02,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he fed me.

3584
03:31:02,719 --> 03:31:04,159
Speaker 1: I was sitting in an airport one day and he

3585
03:31:04,319 --> 03:31:07,360
just like starts sending me all these articles and he's like, here,

3586
03:31:07,799 --> 03:31:10,559
these are all all these people are talking about localism

3587
03:31:10,719 --> 03:31:14,239
is the answer, and they all turned out to be globalists.

3588
03:31:16,639 --> 03:31:21,079
They're all globalists. So you know, the question in the

3589
03:31:21,120 --> 03:31:23,040
episode we did, and if I remember, I'll link it

3590
03:31:23,360 --> 03:31:26,680
with this, is why would globalists be pushing localism?

3591
03:31:28,680 --> 03:31:32,120
Speaker 6: And yeah, well, I mean because they see the writing

3592
03:31:32,200 --> 03:31:35,239
on the wall or that, you know, might as well

3593
03:31:35,319 --> 03:31:39,000
get in on what survives afterwards. I mean, if I

3594
03:31:39,040 --> 03:31:40,680
were a smart cookie, and I like to think that

3595
03:31:40,799 --> 03:31:42,280
I am, but if I were one of those guys

3596
03:31:42,360 --> 03:31:44,079
that has made his way to the top through lord

3597
03:31:44,200 --> 03:31:46,159
knows what kind of devilish stealings.

3598
03:31:47,520 --> 03:31:47,639
Speaker 3: You know.

3599
03:31:47,680 --> 03:31:49,120
Speaker 6: I would look at the writing on the wall too,

3600
03:31:49,200 --> 03:31:52,079
being like, how do I escape Mephistopheles coming to pit

3601
03:31:52,200 --> 03:31:55,319
you know, collect his dues and oh, you know localism

3602
03:31:55,399 --> 03:31:58,280
and regenerative agriculture and plant based food. So we really

3603
03:31:58,319 --> 03:32:00,799
need to save the planet everybody, you know, Like, I'd

3604
03:32:00,799 --> 03:32:02,520
imagine that's a really quick way to go about it.

3605
03:32:02,600 --> 03:32:05,680
But it really does tell you that who's the ones

3606
03:32:05,719 --> 03:32:07,920
that are really like the last like ten years or

3607
03:32:08,040 --> 03:32:09,719
like since two thousand and eight. And I don't know

3608
03:32:09,799 --> 03:32:13,840
how like correct economically this theory is, but I've seen

3609
03:32:13,879 --> 03:32:16,280
it pushed that like the low interest rates of like

3610
03:32:16,399 --> 03:32:18,719
the post two thousand and seven world led to this

3611
03:32:18,879 --> 03:32:20,760
just boom because it was money for nothing, right with

3612
03:32:20,840 --> 03:32:22,719
how the Fed was doing it with like nearly negative

3613
03:32:22,760 --> 03:32:25,239
interest rates or near zero rates for the longest time.

3614
03:32:25,719 --> 03:32:28,120
You know, you why not invest in something like buzz

3615
03:32:28,120 --> 03:32:31,120
speed or some weird startup culture in Silicon Valley because like,

3616
03:32:31,200 --> 03:32:33,120
it's money for nothing, Why the hell not? Even if

3617
03:32:33,120 --> 03:32:35,000
you make a loss, you know, there's plenty of money

3618
03:32:35,040 --> 03:32:37,799
to go around, and so you have this like whole

3619
03:32:37,920 --> 03:32:43,479
span of like techno optimist, proto woke culture that has

3620
03:32:43,559 --> 03:32:46,399
led to things like ESG, global governance, et cetera. And

3621
03:32:48,040 --> 03:32:50,159
you know, eventually, like I think everyone kind of knows

3622
03:32:50,200 --> 03:32:53,000
that like some kind of recession or collapses in the

3623
03:32:53,079 --> 03:32:55,440
near horizon, and so it's like, well, we should probably

3624
03:32:55,440 --> 03:32:57,680
think about how our what our escape plan is, or

3625
03:32:57,719 --> 03:32:59,680
what our option is. And so if the you know,

3626
03:32:59,719 --> 03:33:01,520
if this means everyone needs to return to farming, or

3627
03:33:01,639 --> 03:33:04,799
gender to agriculture, environmental causes, ESG, et cetera, like that,

3628
03:33:04,959 --> 03:33:07,520
that seems like where we would go for because the

3629
03:33:07,600 --> 03:33:10,000
system has to evolve, as he talked about, I think

3630
03:33:10,000 --> 03:33:13,600
in like proposition one about well these things enable the

3631
03:33:13,680 --> 03:33:16,760
evolution or for something else to come out of this

3632
03:33:17,000 --> 03:33:20,799
current self prop system. And well, as long as you

3633
03:33:20,879 --> 03:33:24,680
know we've got technological society, you know, techno capital, then

3634
03:33:24,879 --> 03:33:26,000
you know that's what they're going to do.

3635
03:33:28,079 --> 03:33:28,399
Speaker 3: All right.

3636
03:33:28,559 --> 03:33:32,520
Speaker 1: Moving on, we can speak of the world system, meaning

3637
03:33:32,639 --> 03:33:35,719
all things that exist on Earth together with the functional

3638
03:33:35,799 --> 03:33:39,639
relations among them. The world system probably should be regarded

3639
03:33:39,680 --> 03:33:42,440
as a self prop system, but whether it is or

3640
03:33:42,559 --> 03:33:47,079
not is irrelevant for present purposes. To summarize, then, the

3641
03:33:47,200 --> 03:33:50,440
world system is approaching a condition in which it will

3642
03:33:50,479 --> 03:33:53,760
be dominated by a relatively small number of extremely powerful

3643
03:33:53,799 --> 03:33:58,280
global self prop systems. These global systems will compete for power,

3644
03:33:58,479 --> 03:34:00,680
as they must do in order to have any chance

3645
03:34:00,760 --> 03:34:03,239
of survival, and they will compete for power in the

3646
03:34:03,360 --> 03:34:06,879
short term with little or no regard for long term consequences.

3647
03:34:07,040 --> 03:34:11,600
Proposition too. Under these conditions, intuition tells us that desperate

3648
03:34:11,680 --> 03:34:15,399
competition among the global self prop systems will tear the

3649
03:34:15,479 --> 03:34:16,639
world system apart.

3650
03:34:18,399 --> 03:34:21,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, what I mean it is what it sounds like deglobalization,

3651
03:34:22,799 --> 03:34:25,479
Like all all of the white papers on deglobalizations, is

3652
03:34:25,520 --> 03:34:27,200
that you're not going to get you into polarity. So

3653
03:34:27,239 --> 03:34:32,680
you're going to get smaller regionalized blocks on a global scale,

3654
03:34:32,959 --> 03:34:36,639
all with their own respective intermittent economies trying to shore

3655
03:34:36,719 --> 03:34:39,399
up power and grow their spheres of influence.

3656
03:34:41,840 --> 03:34:44,479
Speaker 1: I I have an idea, but I want to have

3657
03:34:44,719 --> 03:34:46,040
an idea of something I want to say, but I

3658
03:34:46,079 --> 03:34:47,639
want to read a little further and see it. Okay,

3659
03:34:48,040 --> 03:34:52,479
feeds into it. Let's try to formulate the instituition more clearly.

3660
03:34:52,760 --> 03:34:55,479
For some hundreds of millions of years, the terrestrial environment

3661
03:34:55,879 --> 03:34:58,479
has had some degree of stability in the sense that

3662
03:34:58,559 --> 03:35:02,319
conditions on Earth variable have remained within certain limits that

3663
03:35:02,399 --> 03:35:04,959
have allowed the evolution of complex life forms such as

3664
03:35:05,040 --> 03:35:10,959
fishes and fishes, amphibians, reptiles, birds, and mammals. In the

3665
03:35:11,040 --> 03:35:14,639
immediate future, all self prop systems on this planet, including

3666
03:35:14,680 --> 03:35:18,719
self propagating human groups and any purely machine based systems

3667
03:35:18,799 --> 03:35:21,959
derived from them, will have evolved while conditions have remained

3668
03:35:22,000 --> 03:35:25,840
within these same limits, or at most within somewhat wider ones.

3669
03:35:26,760 --> 03:35:30,200
By proposition three, the Earth's self prop systems will have

3670
03:35:30,280 --> 03:35:33,520
become dependent for their survival on the fact that conditions

3671
03:35:33,600 --> 03:35:38,719
have remained within these limits. Large scale self human groups,

3672
03:35:39,000 --> 03:35:42,479
as well as any purely machine based self prop systems,

3673
03:35:42,840 --> 03:35:46,520
will be dependent also on conditions of more recent origin

3674
03:35:46,959 --> 03:35:50,959
relating to the way the world system is organized, for example,

3675
03:35:51,280 --> 03:35:55,600
conditions pertaining to economic relationships. The rapidity with which these

3676
03:35:55,680 --> 03:36:00,799
conditions change must remain within certain limits, else the self

3677
03:36:00,879 --> 03:36:06,079
prop systems will not survive. This doesn't mean that all

3678
03:36:06,120 --> 03:36:09,040
the world's self prop systems will die if future conditions

3679
03:36:09,680 --> 03:36:12,479
or the rapidity with which they change slightly exceed some

3680
03:36:12,639 --> 03:36:15,239
of these limits, but it does mean that if conditions

3681
03:36:15,319 --> 03:36:18,879
go far enough beyond some of the limits, many self

3682
03:36:18,959 --> 03:36:22,280
prop systems are likely to die, and if conditions ever

3683
03:36:22,440 --> 03:36:26,440
vary widely enough outside of the limits, then with near certainty,

3684
03:36:26,879 --> 03:36:30,399
all of the world's more complex self prop systems will

3685
03:36:30,440 --> 03:36:37,040
die without progeny. With several self prop systems of global reach,

3686
03:36:37,319 --> 03:36:40,959
armed with the colossal powers of modern technology and competing

3687
03:36:41,040 --> 03:36:47,040
for immediate power while exercising no self restraint from concern

3688
03:36:47,200 --> 03:36:51,159
for long term consequences, it is extremely difficult to imagine

3689
03:36:51,399 --> 03:36:54,360
that conditions on this planet will be pushed far outside

3690
03:36:54,719 --> 03:36:59,360
of all earlier limits and battered around erratically, with the

3691
03:36:59,479 --> 03:37:02,360
result that all of the Earth's more complex self prop

3692
03:37:02,440 --> 03:37:04,399
systems will die without progeny.

3693
03:37:06,760 --> 03:37:11,479
Speaker 6: Notice, yeah, this is what I mean. I think the

3694
03:37:11,520 --> 03:37:15,000
point that he made earlier around proposition three, that he

3695
03:37:15,040 --> 03:37:18,000
said there about the self we're all dependent on the

3696
03:37:18,120 --> 03:37:21,399
fact that we've remained in these limits. I mean, like

3697
03:37:21,520 --> 03:37:24,559
the Western world has been more or less conditioned since

3698
03:37:25,959 --> 03:37:29,920
like the fourteen hundreds, right the post you know, Black

3699
03:37:30,000 --> 03:37:35,159
death world of like exploration proto global commerce, a global economy,

3700
03:37:35,840 --> 03:37:40,280
territorial like disputes and empire like the Western world is

3701
03:37:40,360 --> 03:37:44,680
still used to that five hundred years on or six

3702
03:37:44,799 --> 03:37:48,920
hundred years on, and so like I a world without

3703
03:37:48,920 --> 03:37:51,520
empire or a world without like that kind of like

3704
03:37:52,399 --> 03:37:54,360
superstructure that we all kind of take for granted, like

3705
03:37:54,559 --> 03:37:59,680
nations rise, like power is acquired, capital flows. I don't

3706
03:37:59,719 --> 03:38:02,440
know a system that we have today, at least in

3707
03:38:02,479 --> 03:38:04,680
the West that would be like, yeah, we could probably survive,

3708
03:38:05,040 --> 03:38:08,239
you know, if that were to disappear tomorrow, like or

3709
03:38:08,280 --> 03:38:11,079
even the rigidity of like and again, like it goes

3710
03:38:11,159 --> 03:38:15,319
back to things other than I think about like nuclear war,

3711
03:38:15,479 --> 03:38:17,879
things like that, you know, like what survives that we

3712
03:38:17,920 --> 03:38:20,440
don't know because we've never pushed the earth to those limits.

3713
03:38:20,680 --> 03:38:23,120
And he kind of points that out at the last

3714
03:38:23,120 --> 03:38:25,680
part that you read to like you're probably not going

3715
03:38:25,719 --> 03:38:28,559
to have any progeny because we're only used to existing

3716
03:38:28,680 --> 03:38:31,159
for hundreds, if not thousands of years now under these

3717
03:38:31,200 --> 03:38:32,840
specific systems.

3718
03:38:33,319 --> 03:38:38,680
Speaker 1: Right, you know, I'm I was as he was talking

3719
03:38:38,719 --> 03:38:43,799
about small systems, I was thinking about a certain country

3720
03:38:43,920 --> 03:38:46,639
in the Middle East that seems to control all of

3721
03:38:46,719 --> 03:38:52,920
these systems and how that, I mean, the most the

3722
03:38:53,000 --> 03:38:55,879
most important systems that we have Basically they have people

3723
03:38:56,040 --> 03:39:00,200
on you know, at the top of and how that is, uh,

3724
03:39:01,520 --> 03:39:04,440
how that affects all of this because I mean, Ted's

3725
03:39:04,440 --> 03:39:06,520
a boomer. He's not gonna he's not going to talk

3726
03:39:06,520 --> 03:39:08,840
about that, you know, He's he's not going to bring

3727
03:39:08,879 --> 03:39:09,840
that up because he no.

3728
03:39:10,239 --> 03:39:11,200
Speaker 3: No, But.

3729
03:39:13,959 --> 03:39:17,440
Speaker 1: That makes it all the more dangerous because really when

3730
03:39:17,479 --> 03:39:23,120
you look at it, our world systems are centralized under

3731
03:39:23,239 --> 03:39:24,959
one spirit.

3732
03:39:24,680 --> 03:39:25,200
Speaker 3: Of the age.

3733
03:39:26,600 --> 03:39:30,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's very prominent no matter where you go

3734
03:39:30,319 --> 03:39:33,520
that there's that. I mean even in the East, right,

3735
03:39:33,639 --> 03:39:35,799
Like even in like sort of the I mean they're

3736
03:39:35,840 --> 03:39:37,959
sort of the only ones that haven't had as much

3737
03:39:38,079 --> 03:39:42,200
in culturation to that world system. I mean, like this

3738
03:39:42,360 --> 03:39:44,280
is where you'll you'll see people say things like based

3739
03:39:44,360 --> 03:39:47,440
China or like third positionist or nas bowls will tell

3740
03:39:47,479 --> 03:39:51,399
you that like you know, socialism with Chinese or capitalism

3741
03:39:51,479 --> 03:39:54,719
with like Chinese characteristics or something like that. Like if

3742
03:39:54,799 --> 03:39:58,280
you are a more or less like homogenized self prop

3743
03:39:58,440 --> 03:40:01,399
system of say like the already ethnic group inside China

3744
03:40:01,479 --> 03:40:04,559
right that governs things, you want to make sure that

3745
03:40:04,639 --> 03:40:09,520
you don't fall into a proper you know, a self

3746
03:40:09,520 --> 03:40:15,159
profit prop system that can infiltrate, subvert takeover. So I

3747
03:40:15,239 --> 03:40:17,040
mean even Japan is like this with that respects to

3748
03:40:17,079 --> 03:40:20,120
immigration and things like that. I mean you know, human

3749
03:40:20,440 --> 03:40:22,680
biology is going to still play a role here at

3750
03:40:22,719 --> 03:40:25,840
the root of all things, and so like, yes, Japan

3751
03:40:26,040 --> 03:40:28,520
and India and China, like eventually they're all going to

3752
03:40:28,559 --> 03:40:32,559
have huge demographic problems. The question becomes like, can those

3753
03:40:32,600 --> 03:40:36,479
self prop systems survive under technological society? So far, I'm

3754
03:40:36,479 --> 03:40:38,719
not seeing a very positive answer out of any Eastern

3755
03:40:38,760 --> 03:40:41,799
Asian country. But I mean, at the same time, right,

3756
03:40:41,959 --> 03:40:46,719
like you also lose what gave you the initial advantage

3757
03:40:46,840 --> 03:40:49,879
or the initial identity or the initial you know, ways

3758
03:40:49,920 --> 03:40:53,879
and means of that system even working from happening once

3759
03:40:53,920 --> 03:40:56,319
you diversify. I mean, how effective is any sort of

3760
03:40:56,440 --> 03:40:58,879
like we were talking about democracy earlier, Like how effective

3761
03:40:58,920 --> 03:41:02,239
is democracy the more you diversify it? Like every study

3762
03:41:02,440 --> 03:41:06,239
that has ever been done illustrates that no diversity decreases

3763
03:41:06,280 --> 03:41:10,000
civic engagement, public trust. People become more shut ins, they

3764
03:41:10,000 --> 03:41:13,680
don't trust people, and they become more dependent on like

3765
03:41:13,760 --> 03:41:16,639
law and order if it's even there, which devolves an anarchotyranny.

3766
03:41:16,760 --> 03:41:20,879
Like you know, once you diversify something, you kill the

3767
03:41:21,000 --> 03:41:23,120
self prop system from propagating.

3768
03:41:24,600 --> 03:41:29,159
Speaker 1: Right, But it also seems like if you're in charge

3769
03:41:29,440 --> 03:41:33,040
and you do that, there's no place for anyone to

3770
03:41:33,200 --> 03:41:38,120
run other than to you for solutions. So you're actually,

3771
03:41:39,239 --> 03:41:45,200
in some way, at least temporarily self propagating your existence

3772
03:41:45,280 --> 03:41:46,200
within that system.

3773
03:41:47,639 --> 03:41:50,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, you are, and and I mean we're seeing that

3774
03:41:50,680 --> 03:41:53,920
right now inside the US right as we're recording. Right,

3775
03:41:53,959 --> 03:41:57,600
you have that title forty two stuff and the you know,

3776
03:41:57,719 --> 03:42:01,000
El Paso and all the borders just absolute disaster. And

3777
03:42:01,159 --> 03:42:03,440
like that's cool. If you're in charge in Washington, you

3778
03:42:03,520 --> 03:42:06,639
can bean counts or play with this. But you know, again,

3779
03:42:06,719 --> 03:42:09,959
it goes back to what Dozinski talked about earlier, Like,

3780
03:42:10,799 --> 03:42:13,639
you know, you punish yourself in the long term because

3781
03:42:13,639 --> 03:42:15,959
you're only thinking about short term political gain.

3782
03:42:18,200 --> 03:42:19,120
Speaker 4: All right, let's move on.

3783
03:42:19,559 --> 03:42:22,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, notice that the crucial factor here is the available

3784
03:42:23,040 --> 03:42:26,920
of rapid worldwide transportation and communication, as a consequence of

3785
03:42:27,000 --> 03:42:31,520
which there exists global self prop systems. There is another

3786
03:42:31,559 --> 03:42:33,760
way of seeing that this situation will lead to the

3787
03:42:33,879 --> 03:42:37,879
radical disruption of the world system. Students of industrial accidents

3788
03:42:38,000 --> 03:42:40,120
know that a system is most likely to suffer a

3789
03:42:40,200 --> 03:42:44,760
catastrophic breakdown when one the system is highly complex, meaning

3790
03:42:44,799 --> 03:42:50,920
that small disruptions can produce unpredictable consequences, and two tightly linked,

3791
03:42:51,200 --> 03:42:53,399
meaning that a breakdown in one part of the system

3792
03:42:53,479 --> 03:42:57,000
spreads quickly to other parts. The world system has been

3793
03:42:57,079 --> 03:43:00,120
highly complex for a long time. The new factory is

3794
03:43:00,159 --> 03:43:03,920
that of rapid worldwide transportation and communication, as a result

3795
03:43:04,000 --> 03:43:06,719
of which the world system and all global self prop

3796
03:43:06,799 --> 03:43:12,159
systems are now tightly linked. Until recently, until relatively recently,

3797
03:43:12,600 --> 03:43:16,680
self prop systems were local phenomena, hence the destructive effects

3798
03:43:16,719 --> 03:43:21,239
of their competition. Also, hence, the destructive effects of their

3799
03:43:21,280 --> 03:43:27,440
competition also were usually locally. We're usually local today because

3800
03:43:27,520 --> 03:43:31,639
global self prop systems compete worldwide, because they are tightly linked,

3801
03:43:31,799 --> 03:43:34,360
because the world system as a whole is tightly linked,

3802
03:43:34,600 --> 03:43:39,239
and because technology provides global self prop systems with colossal power,

3803
03:43:39,639 --> 03:43:42,479
global disaster sooner or later is a near certainty.

3804
03:43:44,639 --> 03:43:51,120
Speaker 6: And obviously this just interlinks with like Tainer and Verrillio

3805
03:43:51,239 --> 03:43:54,719
again right like complex societies do have ways and means

3806
03:43:54,760 --> 03:43:57,159
in which they can collapse. But that also means that

3807
03:43:57,239 --> 03:44:00,799
the faster you accelerate or grow or self profit, the

3808
03:44:00,959 --> 03:44:03,680
likelhood that those effects will be global in their destruction.

3809
03:44:05,479 --> 03:44:08,040
Speaker 1: And obvious answer to the foregoing arguments will be to

3810
03:44:08,120 --> 03:44:12,920
assert that destructive competition among global self prop systems isn't inevitable.

3811
03:44:13,639 --> 03:44:16,920
A single global self prop system might succeed in eliminating

3812
03:44:17,000 --> 03:44:20,520
all of its competitors and thereafter dominate the world alone.

3813
03:44:21,120 --> 03:44:22,440
Speaker 4: Or, because global.

3814
03:44:22,159 --> 03:44:25,399
Speaker 1: Self prop systems would be relatively few in number, they

3815
03:44:25,520 --> 03:44:28,479
might come to an agreement among themselves, whereby they would

3816
03:44:28,559 --> 03:44:33,479
refrain from all dangerous or destructive forms of competition. However,

3817
03:44:33,879 --> 03:44:36,159
while it is easy to talk about such an agreement,

3818
03:44:36,360 --> 03:44:40,479
it is vastly more difficult to actually concede, to conclude

3819
03:44:40,520 --> 03:44:44,680
one and enforce it. Just look, the world's leading powers

3820
03:44:44,719 --> 03:44:47,040
today have not been able to agree on the elimination

3821
03:44:47,159 --> 03:44:50,200
of war, or of nuclear weapons, or on the limitation

3822
03:44:50,360 --> 03:44:54,920
of emissions of carbon dioxide. But let's be optimistic and

3823
03:44:54,920 --> 03:44:58,159
assume that the world has come under the domination of

3824
03:44:58,200 --> 03:45:01,479
a single unified system, which may consist of a single

3825
03:45:01,600 --> 03:45:06,000
global self prop system victorious over all its rivals, and

3826
03:45:06,280 --> 03:45:09,920
may be a composite of several global self prop systems

3827
03:45:09,959 --> 03:45:13,719
that have found themselves together through an agreement that eliminates

3828
03:45:13,799 --> 03:45:18,479
all destructive competition among them. The resulting world peace will

3829
03:45:18,479 --> 03:45:23,799
be unstable for three separate reasons. First, the world system

3830
03:45:23,840 --> 03:45:29,040
will be highly complex and tightly linked second, prior to

3831
03:45:29,120 --> 03:45:31,559
the arrival of world peace, and for the sake of

3832
03:45:31,639 --> 03:45:35,559
their own survival and propagation, the self prop subsystems of

3833
03:45:35,600 --> 03:45:39,200
a given global self prop system, their supersystem will have

3834
03:45:39,319 --> 03:45:42,760
put aside or at least moderated their mutual conflicts in

3835
03:45:42,920 --> 03:45:46,760
order to present a united front against any immediate external

3836
03:45:46,879 --> 03:45:50,280
threats or challenges to the supersystem, which are also threats

3837
03:45:50,360 --> 03:45:54,719
or challenges to themselves. In fact, the supersystem would never

3838
03:45:54,920 --> 03:45:57,840
have been successful enough to become a global self prop

3839
03:45:57,920 --> 03:46:03,799
system if petition between its most powerful self prop subsystems

3840
03:46:04,120 --> 03:46:05,959
had not been moderated.

3841
03:46:08,440 --> 03:46:10,799
Speaker 6: I mean, had not been moderated. So I mean, in

3842
03:46:10,879 --> 03:46:16,399
this instance they are moderated rules of the economy, international law,

3843
03:46:17,719 --> 03:46:19,760
United Nations. I'm just I'm trying to think where that

3844
03:46:19,879 --> 03:46:22,600
might be from or where that might come from in

3845
03:46:22,959 --> 03:46:26,040
this respect, right, Like you know, in his mind, his

3846
03:46:26,159 --> 03:46:30,079
optimistic assumption world peace like a single unified system or

3847
03:46:30,079 --> 03:46:33,959
something like okay, total global homo victory. Well, how do

3848
03:46:34,040 --> 03:46:38,319
you accomplish that? Well, if it requires moderation from other

3849
03:46:38,479 --> 03:46:43,000
power competitions, then you know, global infrastructure like the WTOUN

3850
03:46:43,079 --> 03:46:44,799
would be the ways to do it. And I mean

3851
03:46:44,840 --> 03:46:47,159
the UN is already a political battlefield as it is

3852
03:46:47,200 --> 03:46:49,920
where nations by for influence in like general assembly votes

3853
03:46:49,959 --> 03:46:53,399
and stuff. And I've always cited the like when the

3854
03:46:53,479 --> 03:46:55,600
war started, Like I just told people, like, look at

3855
03:46:55,639 --> 03:46:58,280
the United Nations vote that condemns Russia, Like look at

3856
03:46:58,319 --> 03:47:00,840
like the thirty five or so abstentions, And that's when

3857
03:47:00,840 --> 03:47:03,399
you can really see where the power play is being

3858
03:47:03,520 --> 03:47:07,360
held here. So yeah, I mean, global self prop systems

3859
03:47:07,440 --> 03:47:10,840
will be interesting, especially like what subsystems are we dealing with?

3860
03:47:10,959 --> 03:47:14,120
What are they being moderated with? And I mean you're

3861
03:47:14,120 --> 03:47:17,239
going to have to do it right lest we somehow

3862
03:47:17,520 --> 03:47:21,440
with the highly complex, tightly linked world system. You know,

3863
03:47:21,879 --> 03:47:24,360
unless everyone in China nowadays is like a you know,

3864
03:47:24,559 --> 03:47:27,520
a furry appreciator or something, right like, I don't know

3865
03:47:27,559 --> 03:47:31,600
how you could make like one total leveling world system.

3866
03:47:31,600 --> 03:47:33,600
I don't think can happen. You'd still be reliant on

3867
03:47:34,520 --> 03:47:37,319
global subsystems that you know, you formerly defeated.

3868
03:47:39,200 --> 03:47:41,920
Speaker 1: But once a global self prop system has eliminated its

3869
03:47:42,000 --> 03:47:45,680
competitors or has entered into an agreement that frees it

3870
03:47:45,799 --> 03:47:50,280
from dangerous competition from other global self prop systems, there

3871
03:47:50,319 --> 03:47:54,040
will no longer be an immediate external threat to induce

3872
03:47:54,280 --> 03:47:58,239
unity or a moderation of conflict among the self prop systems,

3873
03:47:59,200 --> 03:48:02,280
and view of proper proposition two, which tells us that

3874
03:48:02,360 --> 03:48:05,120
self prop systems will compete with little regard for long

3875
03:48:05,239 --> 03:48:10,079
term consequences. Unrestrained and therefore destructive competition will break out

3876
03:48:10,120 --> 03:48:14,520
among the most powerful sub subsystems of the global self

3877
03:48:14,600 --> 03:48:18,319
prop system in question. This argument, of course, assumes that

3878
03:48:18,399 --> 03:48:22,000
the most powerful subprop systems will be intelligent enough to

3879
03:48:22,159 --> 03:48:26,120
distinguish between a situation in which their supersystem is subject

3880
03:48:26,159 --> 03:48:29,440
to an immediate external threat and a situation in which

3881
03:48:29,520 --> 03:48:32,959
their supersystem is not subject to an immediate external threat.

3882
03:48:33,559 --> 03:48:40,520
The assumption, however, seems highly probable. Benjamin Franklin pointed out

3883
03:48:40,600 --> 03:48:44,120
that the great affairs of the world, the war's revolutions, etc.

3884
03:48:45,079 --> 03:48:48,319
Or the war's revolutions and are carried out on and

3885
03:48:48,440 --> 03:48:52,920
affected by parties. Each of the parties, according to Franklin,

3886
03:48:53,280 --> 03:48:56,639
is pursuing its own collective advantage. But as soon as

3887
03:48:56,680 --> 03:49:00,360
a party has gained its general point and therefore presumably

3888
03:49:00,760 --> 03:49:05,319
no longer faces immediate conflict with an external adversary, each

3889
03:49:05,440 --> 03:49:10,000
member becomes intent upon his particular interests which thwarting others

3890
03:49:10,280 --> 03:49:14,239
breaks that party into divisions and occasions confusion.

3891
03:49:16,159 --> 03:49:19,120
Speaker 6: I mean you see this anytime that there's a coup

3892
03:49:19,520 --> 03:49:22,559
or a successful business organization being made. You know, there's

3893
03:49:22,600 --> 03:49:25,120
a fight with the founders and so on and so forth.

3894
03:49:25,239 --> 03:49:29,159
I mean, this is the kind of factionalism that was

3895
03:49:29,280 --> 03:49:33,200
concerning towards George Washington and so on. I mean, you know,

3896
03:49:34,040 --> 03:49:38,000
nless we encounter you know, immediate external existential threats like

3897
03:49:38,079 --> 03:49:41,440
asteroids or whatever, like, it's not it's not like, you know,

3898
03:49:41,520 --> 03:49:46,120
we're going to achieve some kind of unifying world system.

3899
03:49:46,399 --> 03:49:48,360
I mean, there's going to be people at the top

3900
03:49:48,440 --> 03:49:50,120
that fight for each other. We still see this with

3901
03:49:50,280 --> 03:49:54,719
inter elite fighting in America. So yeah, so far dead on.

3902
03:49:56,920 --> 03:50:01,399
Speaker 1: Franklin's statement doubtless represents somewhat of an op simplification, but

3903
03:50:01,600 --> 03:50:04,399
history does generally confirm that when large human groups are

3904
03:50:04,440 --> 03:50:08,079
not held together by an immediate external challenge, they tend

3905
03:50:08,159 --> 03:50:11,159
strongly to break up into factions that compete with one another,

3906
03:50:11,520 --> 03:50:15,799
regardless of long term consequences. What we are arguing here

3907
03:50:16,360 --> 03:50:19,159
is that this does not apply only to human groups,

3908
03:50:19,440 --> 03:50:23,120
but expresses a tendency of self propagating systems in general

3909
03:50:23,520 --> 03:50:27,760
as they develop under the influence of natural selection. Thus,

3910
03:50:27,879 --> 03:50:31,760
the tendency is independent of any flaws of character peculiar

3911
03:50:31,840 --> 03:50:34,959
to human beings, and the tendency will persist even if

3912
03:50:35,040 --> 03:50:39,000
humans are cured of their purported defects or are replaced

3913
03:50:39,040 --> 03:50:45,479
by intelligent machines. Let's nevertheless assume that the most powerful

3914
03:50:46,000 --> 03:50:49,479
self prop subsystems of global self prop systems will not

3915
03:50:49,600 --> 03:50:53,239
begin to compete destructively when the external challenges to their

3916
03:50:53,280 --> 03:50:56,959
supersystem have been removed. There is still a third reason

3917
03:50:57,040 --> 03:50:59,920
why the kind of world piece described above will be

3918
03:51:00,239 --> 03:51:04,680
unstable by proposition one. Within the new peaceful world system,

3919
03:51:04,799 --> 03:51:08,000
new self prop systems will arise that, under the influence

3920
03:51:08,040 --> 03:51:12,319
of natural selection, will evolve increasingly subtle and sophisticated ways

3921
03:51:12,399 --> 03:51:17,040
of evading recognition, or, once they are recognized, evading suppression

3922
03:51:17,680 --> 03:51:21,440
by the dominant global self prop system By the same

3923
03:51:21,559 --> 03:51:25,000
process that led to the evolution of self prop systems

3924
03:51:25,040 --> 03:51:28,000
in the first place, new self prop systems of greater

3925
03:51:28,200 --> 03:51:31,680
and greater power will develop until some of the powerful

3926
03:51:32,280 --> 03:51:35,719
some are powerful enough to challenge the existing global self

3927
03:51:35,760 --> 03:51:40,840
prop systems, whereupon destructive competition on a global scale will resume.

3928
03:51:41,799 --> 03:51:44,920
Speaker 6: So a mix of like evolutionary biology, like eventually you're

3929
03:51:44,920 --> 03:51:47,280
going to adapt ways and means to not be caught

3930
03:51:47,319 --> 03:51:51,440
by predators. And even if you do right, and I

3931
03:51:51,479 --> 03:51:54,680
mean humans do this already, like we negotiate, we trade,

3932
03:51:54,719 --> 03:51:57,559
we find other means and alternatives to fighting, and now

3933
03:51:58,200 --> 03:52:01,040
you know that's how I build up power alliances Like

3934
03:52:01,200 --> 03:52:05,440
this is it's he's coming to these conclusions as if

3935
03:52:05,520 --> 03:52:07,559
it's like and this is just from what my own

3936
03:52:07,600 --> 03:52:09,520
reading and my own understanding of things, like he's coming

3937
03:52:09,799 --> 03:52:16,639
to this with like a bizarre like intersection of offensive

3938
03:52:16,719 --> 03:52:20,879
realism and international relations theory and like evolutionary biology, and

3939
03:52:20,959 --> 03:52:23,440
it's just very interesting to read. There's always going to

3940
03:52:23,440 --> 03:52:25,200
be those sentences, like we said at the beginning, that

3941
03:52:25,239 --> 03:52:27,159
are going to make you think, oh fuck.

3942
03:52:31,319 --> 03:52:33,680
Speaker 1: For the sake of clarity, we have described the process

3943
03:52:33,760 --> 03:52:37,200
in simplified form as if a world system relatively free

3944
03:52:37,280 --> 03:52:41,760
of dangerous competition would first be established and afterward would

3945
03:52:41,760 --> 03:52:44,479
be unknoone by new self prop systems that would arise.

3946
03:52:45,479 --> 03:52:47,760
But it's more likely that the new self prop systems

3947
03:52:47,799 --> 03:52:50,840
will be arising all along to challenge the existing global

3948
03:52:50,879 --> 03:52:56,360
self prop systems and will prevent the hypothesized world peace

3949
03:52:56,760 --> 03:53:01,040
from ever being from ever being there in the first place.

3950
03:53:02,200 --> 03:53:05,200
In fact, we can see that happening before our eyes.

3951
03:53:05,719 --> 03:53:08,719
The most crudely obvious of the relatively new self prop

3952
03:53:08,799 --> 03:53:11,799
systems are those that challenge law and order head on,

3953
03:53:12,040 --> 03:53:18,719
such as terrorist networks, drug cartels, and hacker groups anonymous

3954
03:53:18,799 --> 03:53:23,200
and now defunct lulzec. Such self prop systems not only

3955
03:53:23,360 --> 03:53:26,840
can disrupt the normal course of political life, as drug

3956
03:53:26,920 --> 03:53:29,200
cartels have done in Mexico and terrorists have done in

3957
03:53:29,200 --> 03:53:32,000
the United States. They even have the potential to take

3958
03:53:32,000 --> 03:53:36,440
control of important nations, as drug cartels arguably have come

3959
03:53:36,520 --> 03:53:41,600
close to doing in Kenya. A subordinate system that a

3960
03:53:41,680 --> 03:53:45,959
government creates for its own protection its military establishment can

3961
03:53:46,079 --> 03:53:49,159
turn into a self prop system in its own and

3962
03:53:49,319 --> 03:53:52,639
become dominant over the government, either replacing it through a

3963
03:53:52,719 --> 03:53:56,840
military coup or exercising effective power behind the scenes while

3964
03:53:56,879 --> 03:54:00,479
allowing the government to retain the appearance of full sovereign See.

3965
03:54:01,559 --> 03:54:04,719
Speaker 6: Funny like I mean power in these health prop systems,

3966
03:54:04,799 --> 03:54:07,479
like will find threats and infiltrator use it and I

3967
03:54:07,559 --> 03:54:11,600
mean anonymous nowadays really does seem nothing more right than

3968
03:54:11,680 --> 03:54:15,120
like some sort of fed up yeah so yeah, I mean,

3969
03:54:15,200 --> 03:54:16,680
these things can be done. And I mean we see

3970
03:54:16,680 --> 03:54:20,000
this with Mexico, right, Like how much of American guns

3971
03:54:20,040 --> 03:54:22,520
and dollars have gone south of the border to propagate

3972
03:54:22,559 --> 03:54:25,239
a system that keeps the Mexican government relatively weak?

3973
03:54:27,319 --> 03:54:27,559
Speaker 3: Yeah?

3974
03:54:28,920 --> 03:54:30,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's.

3975
03:54:31,559 --> 03:54:33,879
Speaker 1: It seems to be by design. I mean, does the

3976
03:54:34,559 --> 03:54:37,440
does the United States or the people who you know

3977
03:54:37,600 --> 03:54:41,760
really run the United States want their partner to the north,

3978
03:54:41,840 --> 03:54:44,799
or the partner to the north, or their partner.

3979
03:54:44,520 --> 03:54:46,639
Speaker 4: To the south to be as strong as they are.

3980
03:54:47,440 --> 03:54:50,200
Speaker 6: Obviously that yeah, obviously they don't want to.

3981
03:54:50,799 --> 03:54:51,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

3982
03:54:51,239 --> 03:54:55,159
Speaker 1: I remember and culture, like after nine to eleven they

3983
03:54:55,200 --> 03:54:59,159
were saying that Canada was going to join in the fight,

3984
03:54:59,600 --> 03:55:02,200
and she's Canada doesn't even need an army. Do you

3985
03:55:02,280 --> 03:55:06,639
think we'd allow, you know, we'd allow anything to happen to.

3986
03:55:06,680 --> 03:55:11,760
Speaker 4: Canada's all right? But bah, all right.

3987
03:55:12,200 --> 03:55:15,280
Speaker 1: Probably more significant that the president's at the present time

3988
03:55:15,639 --> 03:55:19,159
are emerging self prop systems that use entirely legal methods.

3989
03:55:19,600 --> 03:55:23,440
New corporations are continually being formed, some grow powerful enough

3990
03:55:23,520 --> 03:55:27,920
to challenge older corporations and game covert political power, and

3991
03:55:28,040 --> 03:55:31,000
those that try to keep their use of illegal methods

3992
03:55:31,040 --> 03:55:33,159
to a minimum, as in the case of the movement

3993
03:55:33,239 --> 03:55:38,120
to recently overthrow Hasni Mobarik and Egypt. Legal self prop

3994
03:55:38,200 --> 03:55:41,399
systems are especially important to those parts of the world

3995
03:55:41,440 --> 03:55:45,559
where democracy is firmly established, because democracy gives new groups

3996
03:55:45,600 --> 03:55:49,440
the opportunity to compete for and possibly win power by

3997
03:55:49,520 --> 03:55:54,840
legal means. Two competing entirely legal self prop systems that

3998
03:55:54,959 --> 03:55:57,559
have arisen in the US during the last several decades

3999
03:55:58,000 --> 03:56:01,680
are the politically correct left and the dogmatic right, not

4000
03:56:01,840 --> 03:56:04,719
to be confused with the liberals and conservatives of earlier

4001
03:56:04,840 --> 03:56:09,120
times in America. This essay is not the place to

4002
03:56:09,159 --> 03:56:12,120
speculate about the outcome of the struggle between these two forces.

4003
03:56:13,040 --> 03:56:15,399
Suffice it to say that in the long run, their

4004
03:56:15,440 --> 03:56:18,799
bitter conflict may be more may do more to prevent

4005
03:56:18,879 --> 03:56:23,479
the establishment of a lastingly peaceful world order than all

4006
03:56:23,520 --> 03:56:25,879
the bombs of Alcada and all the murders of the

4007
03:56:26,000 --> 03:56:27,159
Mexican drug gangs.

4008
03:56:30,280 --> 03:56:32,840
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, well said, we know who won that.

4009
03:56:33,120 --> 03:56:35,280
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, we never won that one.

4010
03:56:37,120 --> 03:56:39,719
Speaker 1: Some people may imagine that it would be possible to

4011
03:56:39,879 --> 03:56:42,879
design and construct the world system in such a way

4012
03:56:42,959 --> 03:56:48,479
that the foregoing processes, processes leading to destructive competition would

4013
03:56:48,520 --> 03:56:51,239
not occur, but there are several reasons why such a

4014
03:56:51,319 --> 03:56:53,959
project could not could never be carried out in practice.

4015
03:56:54,559 --> 03:56:57,000
Here we mentioned only one of the One of the

4016
03:56:57,079 --> 03:57:00,920
reasons the extreme complexity that the world system would necessarily have,

4017
03:57:01,479 --> 03:57:05,440
and the impossibility of predicting, especially at long term, the

4018
03:57:05,559 --> 03:57:10,440
behavior of complex systems. It will be objected that a

4019
03:57:10,520 --> 03:57:14,360
mammal or other complex biological organism is a self prop

4020
03:57:14,440 --> 03:57:18,639
system that is compositive millions of other self prop systems,

4021
03:57:18,719 --> 03:57:21,959
namely the cells of its own body. Yet, unless and

4022
03:57:22,040 --> 03:57:25,559
until the animal can, unless and until the animal cancer,

4023
03:57:26,000 --> 03:57:29,760
no destructive competition arises among cells or groups of cells

4024
03:57:30,079 --> 03:57:34,200
within the animal's body. Instead, all the cells loyally serve

4025
03:57:34,280 --> 03:57:37,479
the interests of the animal as a whole. Moreover, no

4026
03:57:37,639 --> 03:57:40,239
external threat to the animal is necessary to keep the

4027
03:57:40,319 --> 03:57:43,959
cell faithful to their duty. There is, it will be argued,

4028
03:57:44,239 --> 03:57:47,159
no reason why the world system could not be as

4029
03:57:47,239 --> 03:57:49,920
well organized as the body of a mammal, so that

4030
03:57:50,159 --> 03:57:54,280
no destructive competition would arise among it among its self

4031
03:57:54,319 --> 03:57:55,040
prop systems.

4032
03:57:55,639 --> 03:57:58,479
Speaker 6: I'm very interested to hear his answer or his argument

4033
03:57:58,559 --> 03:57:58,719
for that.

4034
03:58:00,000 --> 03:58:02,479
Speaker 1: But the body of a mammal is a product of

4035
03:58:02,639 --> 03:58:05,719
hundreds of millions of years of evolution, through natural selection.

4036
03:58:06,360 --> 03:58:08,639
That means that it has been created through trial and

4037
03:58:08,799 --> 03:58:12,559
error process involving many millions of successive trials. If we

4038
03:58:12,639 --> 03:58:16,399
suppose the duration of a generation to be a period

4039
03:58:16,479 --> 03:58:20,319
of time delta, those members of the first generation that

4040
03:58:20,399 --> 03:58:24,159
contributed to the second generation by producing offspring were only

4041
03:58:24,239 --> 03:58:27,799
those that passed the test of selection over time delta.

4042
03:58:28,479 --> 03:58:31,680
Those lineages that survived to the third generation were only

4043
03:58:31,760 --> 03:58:35,040
those that were passed that passed the time of selection

4044
03:58:35,360 --> 03:58:39,840
over time to delta. Those lineages that survived to the

4045
03:58:39,920 --> 03:58:42,959
fourth generation were only those that passed the time test

4046
03:58:43,040 --> 03:58:46,920
of selection over time three delta, and so forth. Those

4047
03:58:47,000 --> 03:58:50,920
lineages that survived to the nth generation were only those

4048
03:58:51,000 --> 03:58:53,920
that passed the test of selection over the time interval

4049
03:58:54,280 --> 03:58:57,879
and to the one delta, as well as the test

4050
03:58:58,120 --> 03:59:03,680
of selection owned over every shorter time interval through the

4051
03:59:04,520 --> 03:59:09,360
Though the forego foregoing explanation is grossly simplified, it shows

4052
03:59:09,399 --> 03:59:11,360
that in order to have survived up to the present,

4053
03:59:11,840 --> 03:59:14,920
lineages of a lineage of organisms has to have passed

4054
03:59:14,959 --> 03:59:17,920
the test of selection many millions of times and over

4055
03:59:18,600 --> 03:59:22,840
and over all time intervals short, medium, and long. To

4056
03:59:22,879 --> 03:59:25,840
put in another way, the lineages of the lineage of

4057
03:59:26,079 --> 03:59:29,040
organisms has had to pass through a series of many

4058
03:59:29,200 --> 03:59:32,879
millions of fiber of filters, each of which has allowed

4059
03:59:32,920 --> 03:59:36,239
the passage only of those lineage that were fittest in

4060
03:59:36,319 --> 03:59:40,520
the Darwinian sense to survive over time intervals of widely

4061
03:59:41,159 --> 03:59:44,239
varying length. It is only through this process that the

4062
03:59:44,280 --> 03:59:48,000
body of a mammal has evolved, with its incredibly complex

4063
03:59:48,159 --> 03:59:51,959
and subtle mechanisms that promote the survival of the animal's

4064
03:59:52,040 --> 03:59:56,760
lineages at short, medium and long term. These mechanisms include

4065
03:59:56,840 --> 04:00:01,079
those that prevent destructive competition between cells or groups of

4066
04:00:01,200 --> 04:00:07,000
cells within the animal's body. But once self prop systems

4067
04:00:07,079 --> 04:00:12,200
have attained global scale, certain crucial differences emerge that make

4068
04:00:12,280 --> 04:00:14,559
the selection process highly inefficient.

4069
04:00:15,959 --> 04:00:19,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is the interesting part, right, Like, there are

4070
04:00:20,280 --> 04:00:22,959
global self prop systems out there. We see this in blocks,

4071
04:00:23,040 --> 04:00:28,479
we see this in superpowers, but these are still relatively new. Right,

4072
04:00:28,559 --> 04:00:32,040
And even if we got one major unified system that

4073
04:00:32,200 --> 04:00:35,600
he's talked about earlier, you know, how is that iterated?

4074
04:00:35,639 --> 04:00:38,040
How has that succeeded? And how do you keep everyone

4075
04:00:38,159 --> 04:00:40,000
from not rebelling against it?

4076
04:00:42,639 --> 04:00:43,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's.

4077
04:00:44,959 --> 04:00:49,440
Speaker 1: When you look at the average length of an empire,

4078
04:00:51,040 --> 04:00:54,200
you have to ask yourself when you compare it to

4079
04:00:54,319 --> 04:00:58,840
the evolution of a mammal as he's if it only

4080
04:00:58,959 --> 04:01:01,239
lasts three or four, you know, two or three hundred

4081
04:01:01,280 --> 04:01:03,680
years or at the most six hundred years, where you

4082
04:01:05,799 --> 04:01:08,799
in the six hundred year you're only seeing shadows of

4083
04:01:08,879 --> 04:01:10,719
what was started.

4084
04:01:11,120 --> 04:01:12,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, how.

4085
04:01:14,520 --> 04:01:16,399
Speaker 4: How fit of a system is that?

4086
04:01:16,760 --> 04:01:19,920
Speaker 1: And would the system be fitter if it was smaller

4087
04:01:21,280 --> 04:01:26,760
in size or you know, the once you become an empire,

4088
04:01:27,559 --> 04:01:30,920
is that the problem is the problem that you're with

4089
04:01:31,079 --> 04:01:34,040
the empire. With the growth of an empire, you're allowing

4090
04:01:34,120 --> 04:01:38,319
more cancer cells to come and it does.

4091
04:01:39,760 --> 04:01:40,719
Speaker 4: Raise a lot of questions.

4092
04:01:40,920 --> 04:01:43,639
Speaker 6: Well, it's also like the argument that why we see

4093
04:01:43,680 --> 04:01:46,559
so much of the West have like an epidemic of

4094
04:01:46,600 --> 04:01:49,360
autoimmune disorders. Right, It's as though, like we live in

4095
04:01:49,399 --> 04:01:53,000
cleaner environments, we live in a more highly processed enriched

4096
04:01:53,079 --> 04:01:55,719
thing like the rise of like gluten allergies because our

4097
04:01:55,760 --> 04:01:58,319
process bred has like hundreds, if not thousands of times

4098
04:01:58,399 --> 04:02:01,239
more gluten particulates inside than it ever did before with

4099
04:02:01,319 --> 04:02:04,200
bread in the past. So, I mean, you know, that's

4100
04:02:04,200 --> 04:02:06,200
the other thing too, is like, well, why wouldn't you

4101
04:02:06,319 --> 04:02:09,520
have cancerous cells or things that are deliberately bad for you.

4102
04:02:09,600 --> 04:02:11,639
That would kill the empire. And I mean, like that's

4103
04:02:11,680 --> 04:02:15,319
where you get the traditional moral argument that like once

4104
04:02:15,360 --> 04:02:18,159
the nation loses its chriacter, loses that moral.

4105
04:02:18,000 --> 04:02:19,760
Speaker 4: Drive, then it dies, you know.

4106
04:02:19,959 --> 04:02:21,920
Speaker 6: And I think you see that with Spangler, you see

4107
04:02:21,959 --> 04:02:24,479
that Tainter, you see that with numerous others and commentaries

4108
04:02:24,520 --> 04:02:26,879
about Rome, that hey, once you give up the ghost

4109
04:02:26,959 --> 04:02:30,840
on morality, religion tradition. Even in like an evolutionary psyche thing,

4110
04:02:30,879 --> 04:02:32,440
a lot of people say that the earliest religions were

4111
04:02:32,479 --> 04:02:36,319
meant to promote pro social behavior and behaviors that were hygienic.

4112
04:02:36,920 --> 04:02:39,360
So I mean in this respect, right, Like, I don't

4113
04:02:39,399 --> 04:02:41,280
know how you do that with a global system, Like yeah,

4114
04:02:41,319 --> 04:02:43,079
we'll we're going to roll all over the world, but

4115
04:02:43,600 --> 04:02:46,920
we're gonna let like the highly clean, immaculate Silicon Valley

4116
04:02:46,959 --> 04:02:49,479
people also you know, live in the same places with

4117
04:02:49,639 --> 04:02:52,000
like you know, there's feces all over the street. Like

4118
04:02:52,120 --> 04:02:55,239
those things aren't compatible, like the not long term.

4119
04:02:57,360 --> 04:02:59,440
Speaker 4: All right, So I think I'm gonna read this again.

4120
04:02:59,559 --> 04:03:02,360
Speaker 1: But once self prop systems of attaining global scale, certain

4121
04:03:02,399 --> 04:03:06,239
crucial differences emerge that make the selection process highly inefficient.

4122
04:03:06,360 --> 04:03:08,719
Speaker 4: I don't remember if I'd read that, yeah, yeah, no worries.

4123
04:03:09,040 --> 04:03:12,680
Speaker 1: First at each trial. In the process of trial and era,

4124
04:03:13,079 --> 04:03:16,319
that is evolution through natural selection, there are too few

4125
04:03:16,440 --> 04:03:19,639
individuals from among which to select the fittest in a

4126
04:03:19,719 --> 04:03:24,280
biological species. These ordinarily are at the least several million individuals,

4127
04:03:24,360 --> 04:03:27,840
from among which the fittest in each generation are selected

4128
04:03:28,200 --> 04:03:32,719
by their ability to survive and reproduce self prop systems

4129
04:03:32,760 --> 04:03:36,520
sufficiently big and powerful to be plausible. Contenders with global

4130
04:03:36,559 --> 04:03:39,639
dominance will probably number in the dozens or possibly in

4131
04:03:39,719 --> 04:03:43,120
the hundreds. They will they certainly will not number in

4132
04:03:43,159 --> 04:03:47,639
the millions. Second, in the absence of rapid worldwide trans

4133
04:03:48,159 --> 04:03:53,559
transportation and communication, the breakdown of the destructive action of

4134
04:03:53,639 --> 04:03:57,319
a small group self prop system has only local repercussions.

4135
04:03:57,879 --> 04:04:01,559
But where rapid worldwide transportation and communication have led to

4136
04:04:01,639 --> 04:04:04,920
the emergence of global self prop systems, the breakdown of

4137
04:04:04,959 --> 04:04:09,680
the destructive action of anyone of anyone such system shakes

4138
04:04:09,719 --> 04:04:13,559
the entire world system. Consequently, in the process of the

4139
04:04:13,639 --> 04:04:16,840
trial and error that is evolution through natural selection, it

4140
04:04:16,959 --> 04:04:20,280
is highly probable that after only a relatively small number

4141
04:04:20,319 --> 04:04:23,639
of trials resulting in errors, the world system will break

4142
04:04:23,719 --> 04:04:26,159
down or be so severely disrupted that none of the

4143
04:04:26,239 --> 04:04:30,399
world's larger or more complex self prop systems will be

4144
04:04:30,479 --> 04:04:35,559
able to survive see proposition three. Thus, for such self

4145
04:04:35,639 --> 04:04:38,959
prop systems, the trial and error process comes to an end.

4146
04:04:39,840 --> 04:04:43,879
Evolution through natural selection cannot continue long enough to create

4147
04:04:43,959 --> 04:04:48,479
global self prop systems possessing the subtle and sophisticated mechanisms

4148
04:04:48,799 --> 04:04:55,239
that prevent destructive internal competition without complex biological organisms.

4149
04:04:56,559 --> 04:05:00,559
Speaker 6: So yeah, so the gene pool of these systems, then

4150
04:05:00,719 --> 04:05:05,719
it won't succeed in creating a fit, unifying global superstructure

4151
04:05:06,000 --> 04:05:09,000
very I mean a clear cut right there, right. If

4152
04:05:09,040 --> 04:05:10,840
the gene pool isn't big enough, you win breed or

4153
04:05:11,079 --> 04:05:12,159
you fall apart and die.

4154
04:05:13,760 --> 04:05:18,079
Speaker 4: And I think this is why what website are we on?

4155
04:05:19,040 --> 04:05:22,520
Reading this from the anarchist library Archist Library.

4156
04:05:23,040 --> 04:05:27,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the anarchist argument would be, well,

4157
04:05:27,680 --> 04:05:29,959
if this is never going to work, why would we

4158
04:05:31,399 --> 04:05:32,479
why would we keep trying?

4159
04:05:38,920 --> 04:05:42,680
Speaker 4: I will go on, she got your question right, there's

4160
04:05:42,719 --> 04:05:43,280
a black pill.

4161
04:05:44,680 --> 04:05:48,399
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the fierce competition among global self prop systems will

4162
04:05:48,440 --> 04:05:51,959
have led to such drastic and rapid alterations in the

4163
04:05:52,000 --> 04:05:55,559
Earth's climate, the composition of its atmosphere, the chemistry of

4164
04:05:55,600 --> 04:05:59,200
its oceans, and so forth, that among biological species, none

4165
04:05:59,239 --> 04:06:02,639
will be left alive, accept maybe some of the simplest organisms,

4166
04:06:03,280 --> 04:06:06,120
certainly bacteria, algae, and the like, that are capable of

4167
04:06:06,200 --> 04:06:10,760
surviving under extreme conditions. The theory we've outlined here provides

4168
04:06:10,799 --> 04:06:14,520
a plausible explanation for the so called Fermi paradox. It

4169
04:06:14,680 --> 04:06:18,239
is believed that there should be numerous planets on which

4170
04:06:18,319 --> 04:06:23,479
technological advanced such civilizations have evolved, and which are not

4171
04:06:23,680 --> 04:06:26,000
so remote from us that we could not by this

4172
04:06:26,159 --> 04:06:30,200
time have detected the radio transmissions of those civilizations. The

4173
04:06:30,280 --> 04:06:34,760
Fermi paradox consist in the fact that our astronomers have

4174
04:06:34,920 --> 04:06:37,959
never been able to detect any radio signals that seem

4175
04:06:38,000 --> 04:06:43,479
to have originated from an intelligent extraterrestrial source. According to

4176
04:06:43,600 --> 04:06:47,079
Ray Kurzweil, one common explanation of the Fermi paradox is

4177
04:06:47,159 --> 04:06:51,799
that a civilization may obliterate itself once it reaches radio capability.

4178
04:06:52,760 --> 04:06:55,600
The explanation might be acceptable if we were talking about

4179
04:06:55,680 --> 04:06:59,719
only a few such civilizations, but if such civilizations have

4180
04:06:59,799 --> 04:07:02,920
been numerous, it is not credible to believe that every

4181
04:07:02,959 --> 04:07:06,360
one of them destroyed itself. For as while would be

4182
04:07:06,479 --> 04:07:09,159
right if the self destruction of a civilization were merely

4183
04:07:09,239 --> 04:07:12,360
a matter of chance, But there is nothing implausible about

4184
04:07:12,360 --> 04:07:15,440
the foregoing explanation of the Fermi paradox if there is

4185
04:07:15,479 --> 04:07:20,319
a process common to all technologically advanced civilizations that consistently

4186
04:07:20,440 --> 04:07:23,879
leads them to self destruction. In this essay we have

4187
04:07:24,120 --> 04:07:25,879
argued that there is such a process.

4188
04:07:29,319 --> 04:07:30,680
Speaker 6: Done a good job of making that argument.

4189
04:07:31,239 --> 04:07:35,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, Part two is basically like sex paragraphs, So yeah,

4190
04:07:35,440 --> 04:07:36,600
we can basically wrap up.

4191
04:07:36,879 --> 04:07:37,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, we can run right through it.

4192
04:07:39,959 --> 04:07:43,559
Speaker 1: Our discussion of self propagating systems merely describes, in general

4193
04:07:43,600 --> 04:07:47,000
and abstract terms what we see going on all around

4194
04:07:47,120 --> 04:07:51,799
us in concrete form. Organizations, movements, ideologies are locked in

4195
04:07:51,879 --> 04:07:55,680
an unremitting struggle for power. Those that fail to compete

4196
04:07:55,719 --> 04:08:00,719
successfully are eliminated or subjugated. The struggle is almost exclusively

4197
04:08:00,920 --> 04:08:04,200
or power in the short term. The competitors pay scant

4198
04:08:04,280 --> 04:08:08,559
attention even to their own long term survival, let alone

4199
04:08:08,559 --> 04:08:11,040
the welfare of the human race or of the biosphere.

4200
04:08:11,920 --> 04:08:16,319
That's why nuclear weapons have not been banned, Emissions of

4201
04:08:16,399 --> 04:08:19,000
carbon dioxide have not been reduced to a safe level.

4202
04:08:19,360 --> 04:08:22,639
The arts resources are being exploited at an utterly reckless rate,

4203
04:08:22,959 --> 04:08:25,760
and no limitation has been placed on the development of

4204
04:08:25,920 --> 04:08:31,760
powerful but dangerous technologies. The purpose of describing the process

4205
04:08:31,840 --> 04:08:34,719
in general and abstract terms, as we've done here is

4206
04:08:34,799 --> 04:08:37,719
to show that what is happening to our world is

4207
04:08:37,840 --> 04:08:41,040
not accidental. It is not the result of some chance

4208
04:08:41,159 --> 04:08:45,200
conjunction of historical circumstances, or of some flaw of character

4209
04:08:45,319 --> 04:08:49,120
peculiar to human beings. Given the nature of self propagating

4210
04:08:49,200 --> 04:08:52,239
systems in general, the destructive process that we see today

4211
04:08:52,719 --> 04:08:56,079
is made inevitable by a combination of two factors, the

4212
04:08:56,159 --> 04:08:59,680
colossal power of modern technology and the availability of rapid

4213
04:08:59,719 --> 04:09:03,120
trans rotation and communication between any two parts of the world.

4214
04:09:05,159 --> 04:09:07,879
Recognition of this may help us to avoid wasting time

4215
04:09:07,920 --> 04:09:12,680
on naive efforts to solve all our current problems, For example,

4216
04:09:12,920 --> 04:09:16,280
on efforts to teach people to conserve energy and resources.

4217
04:09:16,879 --> 04:09:25,760
Such efforts accomplish nothing whatsoever. Excuse me, it seems amazing

4218
04:09:25,840 --> 04:09:30,600
that those who advocate energy conservation haven't noticed what happens.

4219
04:09:31,000 --> 04:09:33,559
As soon as some energy is freed up by conservation,

4220
04:09:34,000 --> 04:09:37,120
the technological world system gobbles it up and demands more.

4221
04:09:37,799 --> 04:09:40,479
No matter how much energy is provided, the system always

4222
04:09:40,559 --> 04:09:44,200
expands rapidly until it is using all available energy, and

4223
04:09:44,319 --> 04:09:47,040
then it demands still more. The same is true of

4224
04:09:47,120 --> 04:09:52,200
other resources. The technological world system infallibly expands until it

4225
04:09:52,280 --> 04:09:56,479
reaches a limit imposed by an insufficiency of resources, and

4226
04:09:56,600 --> 04:09:59,879
then it tries to push beyond that limit, regardless of consequence.

4227
04:10:00,719 --> 04:10:04,040
Speaker 6: Reminds me very much of why Meerscheimer famously titled his

4228
04:10:04,120 --> 04:10:07,399
book The Tragedy of Great Power Politics, because nations will

4229
04:10:07,440 --> 04:10:11,200
push for more influence insufficient of political capital or military

4230
04:10:11,280 --> 04:10:13,280
will to do so, and that's how you lead to

4231
04:10:13,319 --> 04:10:16,200
great power conflict. And it's a tragedy because it's been

4232
04:10:16,239 --> 04:10:20,120
echoed throughout all of civilized history. And he's making this

4233
04:10:20,280 --> 04:10:24,840
point just on a nature of how our world system operates.

4234
04:10:27,319 --> 04:10:30,159
Speaker 1: This is explained by the theory of self propagating systems.

4235
04:10:30,360 --> 04:10:35,040
Those organizations or other self prop systems that least allow

4236
04:10:35,319 --> 04:10:39,559
respect for environment to interfere with their pursuit of power

4237
04:10:39,680 --> 04:10:42,440
here and now tend to acquire more power than those

4238
04:10:42,879 --> 04:10:46,680
that limit their pursuit of power from concern about what

4239
04:10:46,840 --> 04:10:49,360
will happen to our environment fifty years from now or

4240
04:10:49,440 --> 04:10:53,879
even ten years proposition two. Thus, through a process of

4241
04:10:54,000 --> 04:10:57,479
natural selection, the world comes to be dominated by organizations

4242
04:10:57,520 --> 04:11:01,600
that make maximum use of all available resources to augment

4243
04:11:01,680 --> 04:11:09,079
their own power without regard to long term consequences. Environmental

4244
04:11:09,200 --> 04:11:11,559
do gooders may answer that if the public had been

4245
04:11:11,639 --> 04:11:18,639
persuaded to take environmental concerns seriously, it will be disadvantageous

4246
04:11:19,360 --> 04:11:22,840
in terms of natural selection for an organization to abuse

4247
04:11:22,879 --> 04:11:27,600
the environment, because because citizens can offer resistance to environmentally

4248
04:11:27,639 --> 04:11:32,479
reckless organizations. For example, people might refuse to buy products

4249
04:11:32,680 --> 04:11:37,600
manufactured by companies that are environmentally destructive. However, human behavior

4250
04:11:37,680 --> 04:11:41,920
and human attitudes can be manipulated. Environmental damage can be shielded,

4251
04:11:42,440 --> 04:11:45,319
up to a point from public scrutiny. With the help

4252
04:11:45,399 --> 04:11:49,159
of public relations firms, a corporation can persuade people that

4253
04:11:49,280 --> 04:11:53,639
it is environmentally responsible. Advertising and marketing techniques can give

4254
04:11:54,000 --> 04:11:57,760
people such an itch to possess a corporation's products that

4255
04:11:57,879 --> 04:12:02,479
few individuals were refused to buy, that few individuals will

4256
04:12:02,520 --> 04:12:06,000
refused to buy them from concern for the environment. Computer games,

4257
04:12:06,159 --> 04:12:10,559
electronic social networking, and other mechanisms of escape keep people

4258
04:12:10,639 --> 04:12:14,040
absorbed in hedonistic pursuits so that they don't have time

4259
04:12:14,159 --> 04:12:15,319
for environmental worries.

4260
04:12:16,280 --> 04:12:19,719
Speaker 6: More important, rand diarity of one of the Netflix founders

4261
04:12:19,799 --> 04:12:21,760
being related to Bernes.

4262
04:12:23,079 --> 04:12:23,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

4263
04:12:24,360 --> 04:12:26,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think there's irony there, just.

4264
04:12:26,879 --> 04:12:29,840
Speaker 6: No, probably not, But I mean the sake of this

4265
04:12:30,079 --> 04:12:31,879
tragedy that he's outlying here.

4266
04:12:32,000 --> 04:12:32,200
Speaker 4: Yah.

4267
04:12:33,360 --> 04:12:37,200
Speaker 1: More importantly, people are made to see themselves as utterly

4268
04:12:37,319 --> 04:12:40,319
dependent on the products and services provided by the corporations.

4269
04:12:40,799 --> 04:12:43,120
Because people have to earn money to buy the products

4270
04:12:43,159 --> 04:12:45,799
and services on which they are dependent, they need jobs.

4271
04:12:46,559 --> 04:12:49,639
Economic growth is necessary for the creation of jobs. Therefore,

4272
04:12:49,680 --> 04:12:53,479
people accept environmental damage when it is portrayed as a

4273
04:12:53,600 --> 04:12:57,360
price that must be paid for economic growth. Nationalism, too,

4274
04:12:57,479 --> 04:13:00,280
is brought into play by both corporations and by governments.

4275
04:13:00,920 --> 04:13:03,920
Citizens are made to feel that outside forces are threatening.

4276
04:13:04,959 --> 04:13:07,000
The Chinese will get ahead of us if we don't

4277
04:13:07,000 --> 04:13:09,920
increase our rate of economic growth. Al Qaeda will blow

4278
04:13:10,040 --> 04:13:12,840
us up if we don't improve our technology and our

4279
04:13:12,920 --> 04:13:14,040
weaponry fast enough.

4280
04:13:14,760 --> 04:13:18,000
Speaker 6: Just like what we talked about earlier with AI arms races.

4281
04:13:18,280 --> 04:13:18,680
There you go.

4282
04:13:20,920 --> 04:13:23,479
Speaker 1: These are some of the tools that organizations use to

4283
04:13:23,639 --> 04:13:27,920
counter environmentalists efforts to arouse public concern. Similar tools can

4284
04:13:28,079 --> 04:13:31,319
help to blunt other forms of resistance to the organization's

4285
04:13:31,360 --> 04:13:34,840
pursuit of power. The organizations that are most successful in

4286
04:13:34,920 --> 04:13:38,280
blunting public resistance to their pursuit or power tend to

4287
04:13:38,360 --> 04:13:41,559
increase their power more rapidly than organizations that are less

4288
04:13:41,600 --> 04:13:45,719
successful in blunting public resistance to their power seeking activities,

4289
04:13:46,200 --> 04:13:50,920
whatever the degree of environmental damage involved. Because such organizations

4290
04:13:50,959 --> 04:13:53,920
have great wealth at their disposal, environmentalists do not have

4291
04:13:54,040 --> 04:13:57,000
the resources to compete with them in the propaganda war.

4292
04:13:58,879 --> 04:14:01,200
This is the reason, or important part of the reason,

4293
04:14:01,319 --> 04:14:04,479
why attempts to teach people to be environmentally responsible have

4294
04:14:04,600 --> 04:14:07,399
done so little to slow the destruction of our environment.

4295
04:14:08,079 --> 04:14:11,719
And again, note well, the process we've described is not

4296
04:14:11,879 --> 04:14:16,280
contingent on an accidental set of circumstances or on any

4297
04:14:16,479 --> 04:14:21,280
defect in human character. Given the availability of advanced technology,

4298
04:14:21,639 --> 04:14:26,079
the process of inevitability. Of inevitability accompanies the action of

4299
04:14:26,479 --> 04:14:29,360
natural selection upon self propagating systems.

4300
04:14:33,920 --> 04:14:34,360
Speaker 6: Here we go.

4301
04:14:36,840 --> 04:14:45,079
Speaker 1: It's it's tough to read Ted because his arguments are

4302
04:14:46,399 --> 04:14:54,920
clear and they're logical, and there's an incredible amount of

4303
04:14:55,040 --> 04:14:55,600
truth in them.

4304
04:14:56,520 --> 04:14:59,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you want, if you want your black pil

4305
04:14:59,840 --> 04:15:03,520
go go read Ted Kaczynski right in this in this respect,

4306
04:15:04,000 --> 04:15:09,639
and you know, and he's highlighting almost like a cold

4307
04:15:10,000 --> 04:15:16,360
hard evolutionary fact because mankind has been assisted and then

4308
04:15:16,840 --> 04:15:20,319
inculcated and as a part of this environment for four

4309
04:15:20,440 --> 04:15:25,559
hundred years of industrial revolution. That that is how we operate.

4310
04:15:25,600 --> 04:15:28,360
It's how we you know, live in the world. And

4311
04:15:28,399 --> 04:15:30,840
if we were to break wildly from that or resist

4312
04:15:30,920 --> 04:15:33,840
against it, you know, the wealth that has been accrued

4313
04:15:33,920 --> 04:15:37,079
by the powers that be really wants you to stay

4314
04:15:37,120 --> 04:15:40,399
on track, so you're dependent on them, and that becomes

4315
04:15:40,440 --> 04:15:43,239
the nature of political realism is how do you accrue power,

4316
04:15:43,319 --> 04:15:46,719
ascertain it and you know, centralize it and grow it.

4317
04:15:47,399 --> 04:15:49,879
And that growth is great for the short term and

4318
04:15:50,000 --> 04:15:53,479
democracy is like the epitome of this, right, Like we've

4319
04:15:53,680 --> 04:15:57,399
got such a high time preference reelections every two years.

4320
04:15:57,559 --> 04:16:01,120
Most of politicians found calls are with owners. There's no

4321
04:16:01,319 --> 04:16:05,520
long term care about this because every aspect of environmentalism

4322
04:16:06,239 --> 04:16:10,600
is some form just more globalism and not actual respects

4323
04:16:10,680 --> 04:16:15,159
to the environment. And that's why you get autistic child celebrities,

4324
04:16:15,360 --> 04:16:17,360
you know, telling you to you know, how dare you?

4325
04:16:17,479 --> 04:16:20,319
And my life's been ruined because of you, while you know,

4326
04:16:20,479 --> 04:16:24,200
most of the world's plastic polluters are by developing economies

4327
04:16:24,239 --> 04:16:25,719
that are trying to catch up and keep up with

4328
04:16:25,799 --> 04:16:28,000
it in their own form of self propagating systems. Is

4329
04:16:28,040 --> 04:16:30,319
why China and India are the world's largest polluters and

4330
04:16:30,760 --> 04:16:34,680
the West has actually decreased as it's continued to evolve technologically.

4331
04:16:34,879 --> 04:16:39,000
But you know, those he outlines very succinctly what kind

4332
04:16:39,040 --> 04:16:41,840
of world we're living in and that you know, the

4333
04:16:41,959 --> 04:16:44,559
propaganda machine is going to be ahead of you because

4334
04:16:44,680 --> 04:16:46,520
you do not have a billion dollars and you are

4335
04:16:46,600 --> 04:16:49,280
not like the great you know, the Grand Center whatever

4336
04:16:49,360 --> 04:16:51,159
descend into Eddie Burnet's.

4337
04:16:52,760 --> 04:16:56,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, as of like four or five

4338
04:16:56,440 --> 04:16:59,600
years ago, the greatest polluter on the planet was the

4339
04:16:59,680 --> 04:17:07,520
US military. And how do you argue, oh, let's reduce

4340
04:17:07,600 --> 04:17:11,639
the military. You immediately get from both sides, from every side.

4341
04:17:13,239 --> 04:17:14,280
Speaker 4: So what do you want us to do?

4342
04:17:15,760 --> 04:17:18,200
Speaker 1: The burn the burn pits that they do, everything from

4343
04:17:18,280 --> 04:17:20,479
bombs they drop, I mean basically everything.

4344
04:17:20,559 --> 04:17:21,159
Speaker 4: Anyone who.

4345
04:17:22,840 --> 04:17:26,280
Speaker 1: I've talked to veterans and just the stuff that they've seen.

4346
04:17:26,600 --> 04:17:29,520
There's the stuff that's been thrown overboard into the ocean

4347
04:17:29,600 --> 04:17:31,520
and office ships.

4348
04:17:32,319 --> 04:17:34,959
Speaker 3: And what do you do.

4349
04:17:37,319 --> 04:17:40,719
Speaker 4: When you're living for the moment you're when that.

4350
04:17:42,399 --> 04:17:47,680
Speaker 1: Government basically demands, especially democratic government, demands high time preference,

4351
04:17:49,200 --> 04:17:52,799
So what do you do? Hopa talked about it in

4352
04:17:52,840 --> 04:17:54,799
democracy the God that failed. At least if you have

4353
04:17:54,920 --> 04:17:59,559
a monarchy, you in most cases you had a king

4354
04:17:59,639 --> 04:18:03,559
that wanted to preserve something, conserve something to hand down

4355
04:18:03,600 --> 04:18:06,120
to their progeny. We don't have that anymore. We have

4356
04:18:06,159 --> 04:18:08,079
people who get elected for two years and they go

4357
04:18:08,200 --> 04:18:10,159
in there and they try and loot as much as possible.

4358
04:18:11,360 --> 04:18:14,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's the point that even Nick Land

4359
04:18:14,319 --> 04:18:16,159
was writing about in the Dark Enlightenment. It's just like,

4360
04:18:17,079 --> 04:18:18,680
I don't know if I'm ever going to be in

4361
04:18:18,799 --> 04:18:21,159
power again, so I might as well loot the treasury

4362
04:18:21,360 --> 04:18:24,319
for more power, and you know, screwed the consequences. And

4363
04:18:25,360 --> 04:18:27,399
we see that now. And I mean, like I said earlier,

4364
04:18:27,440 --> 04:18:30,520
like this is the nice, the weird and really black

4365
04:18:30,559 --> 04:18:35,319
pilling intersection of sort of social and evolutionary psychology with

4366
04:18:35,559 --> 04:18:39,879
like political realism, especially in international relations, because if you're

4367
04:18:39,959 --> 04:18:44,479
a high time preference empire preserving institution that happens to

4368
04:18:44,559 --> 04:18:48,760
be a democracy, then any long term sociological or ecological

4369
04:18:48,840 --> 04:18:52,520
disaster be damned because right now I don't know how

4370
04:18:52,600 --> 04:18:55,399
much power I have. Before the Chinese launched surprise attack,

4371
04:18:55,520 --> 04:18:57,159
or something right like, those are the things that you

4372
04:18:57,280 --> 04:18:59,879
have to keep in mind. And if you are capable

4373
04:19:00,239 --> 04:19:05,200
of low time preference, long term planning, you camouflage yourself

4374
04:19:05,959 --> 04:19:08,920
and do you do well to exert political influence wherever

4375
04:19:09,120 --> 04:19:12,040
you can, like certain countries. Do you know right now?

4376
04:19:14,200 --> 04:19:17,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, this really is TED really is the ultimate black pill,

4377
04:19:17,879 --> 04:19:20,399
because you know, we both know people who are completely

4378
04:19:20,479 --> 04:19:22,280
black pilled about American politics.

4379
04:19:22,680 --> 04:19:30,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is global, this is existence. It's how

4380
04:19:30,159 --> 04:19:35,319
do you what do you do at this point?

4381
04:19:35,440 --> 04:19:37,680
Speaker 1: You know, It's like I've I mean, this may not

4382
04:19:37,799 --> 04:19:44,120
be the greatest observation, but to me, when you see people,

4383
04:19:44,239 --> 04:19:47,120
you know, I know people myself who just left the

4384
04:19:47,200 --> 04:19:50,719
city and gone to smaller town and now I'm going

4385
04:19:50,799 --> 04:19:55,719
to an even smaller town, and in so doing, I'm

4386
04:19:56,680 --> 04:20:02,879
basically using a modified form of TED, a modified form

4387
04:20:02,920 --> 04:20:06,280
of what TED advocates for is to just go back

4388
04:20:06,680 --> 04:20:12,079
and get simpler, useless, and get away from technology basically,

4389
04:20:12,559 --> 04:20:18,600
you know. And yeah, it's uh, that's the hard the

4390
04:20:18,680 --> 04:20:21,479
hard part about doing about talking about TED is is

4391
04:20:21,600 --> 04:20:26,600
there is no uh, what's the hope, what's the yeah,

4392
04:20:26,799 --> 04:20:28,000
what's the answer to all this?

4393
04:20:28,719 --> 04:20:32,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's not a lot of uh, you know, platitudes

4394
04:20:32,680 --> 04:20:36,280
or polite dispensations. When it comes to reading Ted, it's

4395
04:20:36,479 --> 04:20:39,920
more of this is the cold hard analysis that I've

4396
04:20:40,000 --> 04:20:44,680
outlined and you're one man, remember that, and the it

4397
04:20:44,840 --> 04:20:48,600
seems hopeless, right and it you know it is this

4398
04:20:48,719 --> 04:20:50,600
also feels like something that you should read with Man

4399
04:20:50,680 --> 04:20:53,200
and Technics by Spangler because he kind of also highlights

4400
04:20:53,239 --> 04:20:57,280
this is like it's in mankind's nature to you know,

4401
04:20:57,840 --> 04:21:01,040
resist against it, and that fight is hopeless, but mankind

4402
04:21:01,120 --> 04:21:02,760
is going to fight it out to the bitter end.

4403
04:21:03,079 --> 04:21:07,760
And coward you know, optimism is cowardice, so acknowledged, be

4404
04:21:07,920 --> 04:21:10,120
thoroughbred and do what you can do right in the

4405
04:21:10,200 --> 04:21:13,680
midst of this, because mankind will continue to evolve alongside

4406
04:21:13,719 --> 04:21:16,360
its machines. It's technics as the tools for survival. And

4407
04:21:16,479 --> 04:21:19,639
if that means you know, a bunch of schizophrenic you know,

4408
04:21:19,719 --> 04:21:23,440
attension spam addled, you know, consumers that are running the

4409
04:21:23,479 --> 04:21:25,959
government now rely on like chat GPT to do things,

4410
04:21:26,040 --> 04:21:30,040
then like we're you know, I wouldn't be optimistic either.

4411
04:21:31,239 --> 04:21:35,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, he says in Man and Technics he

4412
04:21:35,360 --> 04:21:38,920
says optimism is cowardice. Doesn't he also say ideology is

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ideology is weakness or ideology is cowardness.

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Speaker 6: He makes a point about ideology if I remember it correctly.

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We just covered this on my patron book Club. But

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that you know, those are also you know, so they're

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like social technics that help govern us for survival or

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along and motivates people to do things in a certain way,

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like it's how we've evolved. So it'd be very interesting

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to read this side by side with man and technics.

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I might do that very soon, actually reread it again,

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because I mean, like, like we said, like when I

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picked out this one when we were going I was

4424
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going through other of Ted's works, I was like, this

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one is the one worth discussing the most, because you see,

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it reminds me of.

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Speaker 2: H.

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Speaker 6: Greer's bit in in Retrotopia that you can't force regression

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because other nations will pursue it regardless, right, or you

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can't regress because people like the technological comforts they've evolved

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with them. And you know the answer like he says,

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you can't force it, and in Ted Kaczinski here is

4433
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just like, well, you can't force it because it's it's

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an inevitability on a global scale and you're one guy.

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You know, it all comes together in this nice large

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horse pill sized black pill.

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Speaker 3: So brutal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, plug plug what you want to plug on?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: Uh, I know you're busy today.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, no prarise well they once again Pete for

4442
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having me on. You can find me on YouTube, Telegram, Twitter,

4443
04:23:02,959 --> 04:23:05,239
substack Odyssey is the Podentialist. All of my links can

4444
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be found at findmifriends dot net, slash The Prudentialist. I

4445
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cover politics, culture, and primarily international relations, with the dose

4446
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of fishing in between. And as always it's great to

4447
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talk Ted Kaczinski with you.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Rude, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: No problem.