1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Pet Life Radio. 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 2: Let's talk pets. 3 00:00:09,839 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 3: It's all behaved with Arden More, this show that teaches 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,240 you how to have harmony in the household with your pets. 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,320 Join Ardna. She travels coast to coast to help millions 6 00:00:18,359 --> 00:00:21,039 better understand why cats and dogs do what they do. 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,280 Get that latest scoop on famous spaces, they're perfectly pampered pets, 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,679 and who's walking Go and rent in Tinseltown. From famous 9 00:00:28,679 --> 00:00:31,839 pet experts and best selling authors to television and movie stars. 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,880 You'll get the latest buzz from Wagging Tongues and tails Garner, 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,719 great pet tips and have a dog one fur flying 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,000 fun time. So get ready for the paws and applause 13 00:00:41,079 --> 00:00:45,359 as we unleaseh your oh Behave hosts America's pet edutainer 14 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:46,280 Arden More. 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Old Behave Show on Pet Life Radio. 16 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,759 I'm your host Arden Moore. Hey, our special guest today. 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,240 She's about to school us on how to bring out 18 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:04,159 the best in our and she boldly declares the key 19 00:01:04,719 --> 00:01:09,040 to success is to focus on pet parenting and not 20 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,799 dog training. Her approach, I think is refreshing and much needed. 21 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,879 Please welcome to our show. The author of a musket book. 22 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:23,359 It is called Don't Train Your Dog. She is Angie Winters. 23 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:24,959 Welcome to the show. 24 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 4: Angie, thank you, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. 25 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,599 Speaker 2: Hey everyone, it's a big long subtitle. Everybody, I'm gonna 26 00:01:30,599 --> 00:01:33,560 take two breaths. Here we go. Don't Train your Dog, 27 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,359 a pet parenting guide to teaching good behavior, calming fears, 28 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,079 and raising happy dogs. You said it, girl, you had 29 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:43,480 me at Don't Train. 30 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,359 Speaker 4: Got to cover everything you know. It's got to cover 31 00:01:45,439 --> 00:01:48,719 everything you know, and that anything that the parent might need. 32 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:50,200 So's rist and. 33 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,879 Speaker 2: Now, as we live in the post COVID time when 34 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,040 we have all these pandemic dogs running around, this is 35 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,359 a book that is so timely. We're going to dig 36 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,120 into the book after we take quick break, and you 37 00:02:01,239 --> 00:02:05,040 all know the drill, sip, stay, We'll be right back. 38 00:02:07,719 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 3: Time for a pause. Four very ones, actually sit and stay, 39 00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:14,520 all behave. 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I'm your host, Ardenmore. 56 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,240 I'm so excited to have Angie on our show because, 57 00:03:24,319 --> 00:03:29,159 in her own words, she has studied, raised, and rehabilitated 58 00:03:29,319 --> 00:03:33,280 more than one thousand dogs and she has a new 59 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,560 book out it's called Don't Train Your Dogs. She hails 60 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:41,719 from the fine state of Ohio and Angie, just as 61 00:03:41,759 --> 00:03:44,759 a little background, tell us about you have a site 62 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,360 called Parenting for Dogs? Is that correct? And it's the 63 00:03:48,439 --> 00:03:51,800 letter four, So people want to know a little bit 64 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,919 of your background. So you're in Ohio, you are dog's 65 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,560 best friend and hopefully keeping sanity for pet parents. 66 00:03:58,919 --> 00:04:01,919 Speaker 4: Yes, you know it's hard to believe, even for me, 67 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,400 but the story starts twenty eight years ago where I 68 00:04:06,439 --> 00:04:09,639 really just started volunteering to help some dog rescues. I 69 00:04:09,639 --> 00:04:11,599 didn't belong to any rescue. I just helped them with 70 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,560 behavior because I had already with my own dogs, realized 71 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:17,680 there were things that needed to be fixed in the 72 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,319 family life that dogs didn't understand with typical training. So 73 00:04:21,879 --> 00:04:25,160 I had this initial you know, aha moment about oh, now, 74 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:28,199 this is what's causing that. And then fast forward many 75 00:04:28,199 --> 00:04:31,360 many dogs and many many parents later. I from working 76 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,639 in the rescue world, the training world, the you know, 77 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,120 understanding what the vets and the medication and how that 78 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,360 plays in understanding shelters and everything, I was able to 79 00:04:39,399 --> 00:04:43,600 see this big picture, and so I started bringing just 80 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,639 the worst of the worst cases to my house, not 81 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,759 doing any just regular training, just bringing for rescues these 82 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:52,800 dogs that had already were scheduled for euthanasia due to 83 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,639 you know, extreme behavioral problems where they just couldn't were 84 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,360 they just couldn't be in anybody's house. So by figuring 85 00:04:59,399 --> 00:05:02,680 that out, which was extremely challenging, but I can't stand 86 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,399 to watch suffering. I was, you know, I was like, 87 00:05:04,439 --> 00:05:07,000 I got to help this, and so I was compelled 88 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,680 to do that, but I was raising two kids. 89 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:11,319 Speaker 2: Well, you've got to give a shout out to your boys. 90 00:05:11,319 --> 00:05:12,439 Come on, they're going to listen to it. 91 00:05:12,879 --> 00:05:16,519 Speaker 4: Yes, their entire childhood were wrapped up in this springing 92 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,279 dog after dog after dog, and I'm really proud to 93 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:22,319 say that. You know, they have grown into you know, 94 00:05:22,439 --> 00:05:24,800 wonderful young men and they actually help with dogs and 95 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,680 help with parenting for dogs now and they're working video 96 00:05:27,879 --> 00:05:31,040 and the tech world and organic farming and everything. 97 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 2: So, oh, say their names, because they're going to be 98 00:05:33,399 --> 00:05:34,160 one to hear. Mom. 99 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 4: Yes, it's Jake Winters and Griffin Winters. Okay, I'm glad 100 00:05:38,079 --> 00:05:40,879 you remember your kids' names. Well, well, I'll tell you 101 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,600 that I've constantly call them the wrong name all the 102 00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:45,199 time anyway, and busy family life, so that this won't 103 00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:46,160 be a surprise. 104 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: To them names. 105 00:05:48,399 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 4: So the end result is when I started seeing this, 106 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,480 and I was seeing that the dog training world was 107 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,519 causing parents to be paralyzed, and they are either doing 108 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,920 no rules or because they're afraid to make a wrong move. 109 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:03,519 You know, either either it's two firm obedience strict or 110 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,079 it's too over permissive. And then they just got their 111 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,160 hands tied and now this dog's being surrendered. And you know, 112 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,000 the rates were skyrocketing, so and people and they were 113 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,000 losing their homes. And I'm seeing it in everyday life. 114 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,199 I'm working with people and so. But I go in 115 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,600 and use these different techniques and explain to parents more practical, 116 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,800 simple things. But they're from a parenting perspective, not from 117 00:06:22,959 --> 00:06:26,319 training a domesticated or wild animal. That's where it gets 118 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:29,319 off is because we've been talked this mentality of but 119 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,160 really dogs are so emotionally entwined with us and so 120 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:35,000 intellectual that these things not only just fall short and 121 00:06:35,079 --> 00:06:38,120 teaching them, they actually cause confusion in the long run. 122 00:06:38,519 --> 00:06:41,519 Speaker 2: Exactly. And you actually have your book, which I like, 123 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,920 Don't Train Your Dog. You have it divided in two sections. 124 00:06:44,959 --> 00:06:47,639 You have the one the first is all about dog 125 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,959 parenting and you say proclaimed and explained, and then in 126 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,240 the second everything's gonna be okay. 127 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 4: I love that. 128 00:06:56,399 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: So I want to dive into this because you talk 129 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:04,600 about the different styles of dog training. You say there 130 00:07:04,759 --> 00:07:08,839 is the authoritarian, the all positive and the one you 131 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,040 really want, which is a firm but supportive parental guidance. 132 00:07:12,079 --> 00:07:15,720 So dive right in, all right, I'm the boss. Why 133 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:19,800 does that not work as an approach to having a relationship, 134 00:07:19,839 --> 00:07:21,879 a real relationship with your dog. 135 00:07:22,279 --> 00:07:24,839 Speaker 4: So the reason why that doesn't work or that falls sure, 136 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,079 because it doesn't teach it. It doesn't teach. It's not 137 00:07:28,079 --> 00:07:31,199 about learning moments, okay, it's about you obeying me. So 138 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:33,240 the same reason why that doesn't work with children is 139 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,480 the same reason why it doesn't work with dogs exactly. 140 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,279 So this balance with children, which is, you know, we 141 00:07:38,399 --> 00:07:41,319 pretty much has a society understand that you know, the 142 00:07:41,399 --> 00:07:44,720 kids need firm but supportive guidance. Okay, So there are 143 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,399 certain safety rules and rules that have to be but 144 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,360 they're taught in a way that's supportive and there it 145 00:07:50,399 --> 00:07:53,759 isn't this this punishment after the fact kind of thing 146 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,319 that doesn't teach. You know, focus is on teaching. So 147 00:07:56,399 --> 00:07:58,920 that's just what dogs. It's just that the way you 148 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,600 provide this firm, supportive guidance to dogs is different than 149 00:08:02,639 --> 00:08:05,439 you do it with kids. So that's why I make 150 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,839 that distinction, because they both need parented Okay, because My 151 00:08:08,959 --> 00:08:12,360 definition of parenting is providing love, support and guidance to 152 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,720 vulnerable members of a family. So they both see that, right, 153 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,399 But how you do the actual guidance with dogs in 154 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,839 everyday modern life is different than you do it with kids. 155 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: But on the flip side, and I've been through a 156 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:27,240 number of classes where it seems like I have to 157 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:32,200 bring in a big old bucket of treats and it's like, good, 158 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,679 sit tree, good look at me tree. What's the danger 159 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:41,279 of that? All positive? Or you call it too permissive 160 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,600 style of approaching to bring out the best in a dog? 161 00:08:44,879 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 4: Right, So the reason why I call it too permissive 162 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,320 of I mean, I'm super positive with dogs. Everything that 163 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,679 I do go abuse, it's positive. But where they make 164 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,759 the mistake is to consider just treats and distractions are 165 00:08:54,759 --> 00:08:57,240 going to be able to teach family life skills. So 166 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,159 and it actually muddies the water for parents because when 167 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,600 they first see, you know, set for tree, because dogs 168 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,559 are so intelligent and they're so intertwined with us, of 169 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,200 course they're going to learn it set for And then 170 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,399 they're like, look, how smarty is that? This Communication's going great? 171 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,840 But then either the trainer leaves and then the behavior 172 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,279 starts going off the rails because parents are led to 173 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,120 believe that they can teach these family skills that are 174 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,000 you know, don't buy kids, don't run out the door 175 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,080 without you know, into in front of a car without 176 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:28,320 being told you can leave. They think they can teach 177 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,559 those the same way they taught the tricks, And nothing 178 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,759 could be further from the truth. And so therefore it 179 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,440 starts this decline where they have nothing else to work 180 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,360 with and that they are told that dogs are going 181 00:09:39,399 --> 00:09:43,600 to be hurt by teaching truly what isn't allowed. But 182 00:09:43,799 --> 00:09:48,080 I've developed everything into very simple recipes and prescriptions for parents. 183 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, in your graphics. The book's about one hundred and 184 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,559 forty pages everyone, and it does have prescriptions for things. 185 00:09:54,879 --> 00:09:58,200 It does have these recipes for success. But you also, 186 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,919 because we live in the digital age, talk a little 187 00:10:00,919 --> 00:10:04,600 bit about you also offer another thing with your book 188 00:10:04,639 --> 00:10:07,519 that people can download. It's a companion. 189 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a digital companion to the book. So I 190 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,840 think this is probably the first book or of the publishers, 191 00:10:13,879 --> 00:10:17,200 and I mean nobody else seen it but done this way. 192 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,759 But we have developed a digital companion into the book. 193 00:10:19,799 --> 00:10:20,840 It's not an e book. 194 00:10:21,039 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: You have a QR code, right, you have a QR. 195 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 4: Code in that as you're reading the book, you can 196 00:10:25,279 --> 00:10:27,440 scan this QR code and you can go to the 197 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,120 digital companion. So the things I've just told you that, 198 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,759 here's this recipe and here's how it works. If you 199 00:10:32,799 --> 00:10:34,919 want to see that happening in real life because you 200 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,960 want that extra you know, Educational Avenue, all parents can 201 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,240 go there and they get access to that with the 202 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:43,399 book that they can see it being done in real 203 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:46,320 life with different dogs, different ages. These are recipes that 204 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,600 work with all varieties of dogs. It's not like that. 205 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:50,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, all ages too. 206 00:10:51,159 --> 00:10:54,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, parents have lost hope. And so when you lose hope, 207 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,080 that's when dogs start getting surrendered, people get injured dogs. 208 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,000 You know, dogs don't have a fair chance to learn. 209 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,159 And then life gets busy and then everybody's like, you 210 00:11:03,159 --> 00:11:05,279 should never give away your dog. Of course I never would. 211 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,600 I never have, and you know I advocate with that. 212 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,879 But it's like if a dog is buying a kid 213 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,799 and you're raising three kids and you can't do anything 214 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,519 about it, they are eventually going to. 215 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,399 Speaker 2: Lose their home exactly. Hey, we're speaking with Angie Winters. 216 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:20,200 We're gonna dive in a little bit more. We got 217 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,639 to take a quick break. But she is an author 218 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,320 of Don't Train Your Dog. I want you to check 219 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,679 it out. Also, her website is parenting four Dogs with 220 00:11:29,759 --> 00:11:32,720 the letter four in there, so check that out. But 221 00:11:32,799 --> 00:11:35,360 we're going to take a quick break. Sit stay, We'll 222 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:36,200 be right back. 223 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,879 Speaker 3: Time for a walk on the red car. But of 224 00:11:41,919 --> 00:11:45,720 course all behave. We'll be backing up lash right after 225 00:11:45,799 --> 00:11:46,679 these messages. 226 00:11:49,639 --> 00:11:53,519 Speaker 1: You know the expression cats have nine lives? Well, what 227 00:11:53,639 --> 00:11:56,080 if you can give them one more? The Give Them 228 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,399 ten movement is on a mission to help give cats 229 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,679 and x for life. 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Just check the paper and 242 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,679 we had our record showing at the box, the letterbox 243 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,000 that is now back to Oh behave. 244 00:12:50,279 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: Here's Arden, Welcome back to the Obehay Show on Pet 245 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:56,759 Life Radio. I'm your host, Ardenmore. I like that you're 246 00:12:57,399 --> 00:13:01,679 you're being refreshing, as I said, and practicle parents don't 247 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,919 have a lot of time, whether they have kids or 248 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,679 dogs both. But you said something in the intro I 249 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:14,279 really appreciated you said that don't be handcuffed by indecision. 250 00:13:14,759 --> 00:13:17,039 Speaker 4: So we love our dogs and we want them to 251 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,480 live the best life, and parents get handcuffed because if 252 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,240 they only have to choose between all this noise in 253 00:13:23,279 --> 00:13:25,600 the dog training world, which is what I'm doing, is 254 00:13:25,919 --> 00:13:29,000 my book cuts through that noise and right to parents 255 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,720 and says here there are other options, just because you 256 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:34,720 haven't seen it in the typical dog training world, that 257 00:13:34,759 --> 00:13:36,919 are fighting each other, and parents are getting caught in 258 00:13:36,919 --> 00:13:39,720 the crossfire of all these attacks on each other. So 259 00:13:39,799 --> 00:13:45,000 that's rendering parents paralyzed, what I call parental paralysis by analysis. 260 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,759 So then you don't make a move because you're afraid 261 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,679 that it's going to cause your dog to have fear 262 00:13:49,799 --> 00:13:53,080 or aggression, or you're afraid that they'll be, you know, 263 00:13:53,159 --> 00:13:55,159 turn into a Tasmanian devil, you know, if you don't 264 00:13:55,159 --> 00:13:58,000 give them mini. So therefore, parents either do two things. 265 00:13:58,039 --> 00:13:59,600 And I've just been doing this for twenty eight years. 266 00:13:59,639 --> 00:14:01,039 This is why I know it usually comes down to 267 00:14:01,039 --> 00:14:03,679 two things. They either give up and don't try to 268 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,960 do any rules, which goes off the rails and causes 269 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,759 beer and aggression to develop. Or they try to do 270 00:14:08,879 --> 00:14:11,720 too many strict rules and try to try to turn 271 00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:14,639 them into obedient robots, and that doesn't work either, which 272 00:14:14,639 --> 00:14:19,279 creates fear and ultimately aggression. So this is common sense, 273 00:14:19,519 --> 00:14:25,279 practical advice that goes against the you know, billion dollar 274 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,600 typical dog training world. I'm just saying. I mean I 275 00:14:28,919 --> 00:14:32,360 actually didn't choose I didn't choose this past myself like dogs, 276 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,600 because of my work with dogs, because of the things 277 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,200 that have happened to me in my life. I mean, 278 00:14:36,799 --> 00:14:38,679 this was chosen for me. And so then when I 279 00:14:39,159 --> 00:14:42,720 feel like I owe it to dogs, you know, I'm 280 00:14:42,759 --> 00:14:47,120 not a big dog training you know business, or make 281 00:14:47,159 --> 00:14:48,639 a bunch of money or even want to be in 282 00:14:48,639 --> 00:14:51,480 public life. I'm only doing this for dogs and for parents, 283 00:14:51,559 --> 00:14:53,559 and so it is direct. 284 00:14:53,399 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 2: Well and it's coming from the heart and you are 285 00:14:56,159 --> 00:14:59,600 using passion, which is good. Your book is well written, 286 00:14:59,639 --> 00:15:03,799 it's very practical, it's very conversational. And you said, you know, 287 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,080 I did this because of dogs, So I know he's 288 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:10,039 up in dog heaven right now. But who was Hustle 289 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,159 And how was this dog an inspiration to you? Well? 290 00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:16,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's still it seems like the loss 291 00:15:16,919 --> 00:15:18,879 of him three years ago is like it seems like 292 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,519 the pain doesn't dull the tiniest even amount, which you'd 293 00:15:21,519 --> 00:15:23,919 think it would do all the little bit, but it 294 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,919 hasn't at all for me. And you're actually very good 295 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:28,360 at your job. I could tell you've been doing this 296 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:30,039 for a long time because you're actually the first one 297 00:15:30,039 --> 00:15:31,120 that's asked me about him. 298 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: Hustle is important. 299 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 4: I appreciate it. He is very important, and you know, 300 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,759 I owe it to him to keep going with this 301 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,240 work because he dedicated his whole white kind of dog 302 00:15:40,279 --> 00:15:40,799 was doing. 303 00:15:40,679 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 2: His personality border Collie. Okay, oh, so he was kind 304 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,480 of dumb. I'm just teasing out you border Collie people 305 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:47,279 out there. Yeah. 306 00:15:47,399 --> 00:15:49,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, he couldn't put two and two it together. Yeah, yeah, 307 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,200 I know, but he could build a bridge. He could 308 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,600 extremely smart, and you know, but what's amazing is like 309 00:15:55,639 --> 00:15:58,080 he was very smart. Okay, obviously you know he's a 310 00:15:58,159 --> 00:16:01,039 genius in the dog world, but by parenting him with this, 311 00:16:01,279 --> 00:16:04,240 with this approach, it allowed him and me to see 312 00:16:04,279 --> 00:16:07,519 the full extent that all dogs can develop self control, 313 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:10,120 can come up with ideas and choices on their own, 314 00:16:10,679 --> 00:16:13,559 and he would come up with ideas. By about the 315 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,039 third dog we had brought in of these extreme dog cases, 316 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,240 he decided that he and I were partners. Like I 317 00:16:20,279 --> 00:16:22,000 didn't try to get him to be involved in it. 318 00:16:22,039 --> 00:16:24,559 He decided he knew that we were what we were doing. 319 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,679 And it was literally like intuitively, he knew that he 320 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,440 was going to help these dogs. And he started at 321 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:30,840 such a young age, and I did it for so 322 00:16:30,879 --> 00:16:34,279 many years that it was just like that was his 323 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,000 life's work. And I just can't even imagine like the 324 00:16:38,039 --> 00:16:40,320 amount of dogs that he saved and the insight and 325 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,559 the things that he taught me. So I owe it 326 00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:44,759 to him also to keep going with this regardless of 327 00:16:44,759 --> 00:16:46,720 the challenges and well you. 328 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: Put in your book you say that you need to 329 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,399 look at it from a human dog symbiotic relationship, and 330 00:16:53,799 --> 00:16:56,679 I have a dog ConA a terrier mix and she's 331 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,200 the most intuitive dog I've ever had. She helps me 332 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:02,559 teach pet first day and other things. I jokingly say, 333 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:05,720 we finish each other's sentences. I can just look at 334 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:10,240 her and I feel it, and I think maybe because 335 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:13,839 of some of your methods that you advocate. I'm not 336 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:18,000 a drill sergeant to ConA, and I'm not oh woz 337 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,480 woozy woozy to ConA. It's like I'm kind of in 338 00:17:21,519 --> 00:17:25,160 the middle. I'm like, hey, let's do this, and you 339 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,720 say two in your book, we really have to pay 340 00:17:27,759 --> 00:17:30,759 attention to the cues of the dog because they really 341 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:34,279 are communicating. It is not a one way communication, right, 342 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,160 So expand on that because we need to listen to them. 343 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,559 Speaker 4: Yes, because this will tell you everything you need to know. 344 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:42,839 Speaker 2: But still buy her book. 345 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, this will tell you everything you need to know 346 00:17:44,759 --> 00:17:46,599 and to make you realize, I have to buy that 347 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,519 book because this is cutting edge thinking on like, this 348 00:17:49,559 --> 00:17:50,920 is a break. I mean, I've been doing it for 349 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,200 twenty eight years. It's just now society has done this 350 00:17:53,319 --> 00:17:55,279 dog training thing and we've been born with this and 351 00:17:55,319 --> 00:17:57,559 that's been beaten into our heads for so long. They're 352 00:17:57,599 --> 00:17:59,400 just now realizing they've gotten to the point where they 353 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,920 know it's not worth right, it's just too many problems. 354 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,960 If it was working, dog behavioral problems and shelters would 355 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,519 be going down, it wouldn't be going up. So when 356 00:18:07,559 --> 00:18:10,359 dogs are born with us, they're born entangled with us, 357 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,200 because you know, studies show they're born they know to 358 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,200 read our face, they know to everything. Then we can 359 00:18:16,279 --> 00:18:19,720 use our finger pointing and looks, our eye movements and 360 00:18:19,759 --> 00:18:22,599 they will exactly nowhere to go to locate an object. 361 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,720 So that's your first clue. When a tennis ball runs 362 00:18:25,799 --> 00:18:28,359 under the couch, right, they immediately if they can't get it, 363 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,119 they immediately look to you for help. Right. So, but 364 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,680 they're born with that, they don't learn that. So that 365 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,240 tells you they're born entangled with us. So here's how 366 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,720 they're communicating with us. They already know this, right, they 367 00:18:38,759 --> 00:18:40,880 communicate with us on that level. And we go like 368 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:42,079 this down. 369 00:18:42,079 --> 00:18:45,519 Speaker 2: And you want to say dumb to you parents, to 370 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,880 us two leggers, Yeah, you're right. It's like, wait a minute, 371 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,119 stop and read the dog. The dog is talking. The 372 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,440 dog has the floor. 373 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 4: Right, And it's like when people see this information, that's 374 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:57,720 what they always say they're like and then they see 375 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,319 it work and be Luckily, I've was uniquely in a 376 00:19:01,319 --> 00:19:04,279 position to because I documented all this because I had 377 00:19:04,319 --> 00:19:07,079 had some experience in the video world, so I documented 378 00:19:07,079 --> 00:19:09,279 at two in the morning everything I was doing with 379 00:19:09,319 --> 00:19:11,319 these dogs. It started out doing it just so I 380 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,279 could give it to rescue people so they could help, 381 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,480 you know, do what I was doing. When I realized 382 00:19:15,519 --> 00:19:19,119 I was discovering some solutions, so I started as that. 383 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,079 But then they became this gold that I had, this 384 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,319 all this video and all these notes and folders and 385 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,920 folders I've now down twenty years. 386 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 2: Book was ready to percolate. You actually have and I 387 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,680 love this. You talk about doggie rights and you say 388 00:19:31,759 --> 00:19:37,319 one respectful treatment, two be included, and three feel safe. 389 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,920 Please can you put that as a tattoo on everybody's forehead? 390 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:41,680 I just can't. 391 00:19:42,039 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and the reason why, and people, but 392 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,640 with the dog training mentality lead you to believe that 393 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:49,920 these things that you think are making and feel safe 394 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:50,759 don't feel safe. 395 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,519 Speaker 2: Right, give me an example, So let's give it. 396 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 4: This is a very dramatic example of the difference, and 397 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,319 it's easy for people to understand because everybody has this 398 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,839 thing about the crate, bring up the crate, like, oh God, 399 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,240 please don't talk about the crate. 400 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 2: Like crate is great. 401 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, crate is great, But the way it's presented with 402 00:20:06,759 --> 00:20:10,240 typical dog training most often, now, if you start with puppies, 403 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:11,559 sometimes you can keep it, but a lot of times 404 00:20:11,599 --> 00:20:14,519 it still goes off the rail. But I have in 405 00:20:14,559 --> 00:20:17,400 my experience, I have had hundreds of dogs, and I'm 406 00:20:17,599 --> 00:20:19,759 you can see it on video that this works on 407 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,119 every dog. And the reason why it works is because 408 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,240 typical dog training, I say, what do you do when 409 00:20:24,279 --> 00:20:25,799 the dog's afraid of the crate or won't go in 410 00:20:25,839 --> 00:20:27,839 the crate. Well, then I have him perform a down, 411 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,240 I have him sit and give him a treat by 412 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,079 the crate. I have him then get in the crate 413 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:32,960 and perform it down and give him a treat. It's like, 414 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,799 well if that what if that won't happen? Then the 415 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,039 human starts getting frustrated, the dog trainer starts getting frustrated, 416 00:20:38,079 --> 00:20:40,559 and the dogs are reading that frustration all over your face. 417 00:20:40,799 --> 00:20:43,599 They don't you can't hide that. So then you're like, 418 00:20:43,599 --> 00:20:45,000 I gotta walk out the door and this dog's not 419 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,119 getting in the crate. So then the frustration is gonna come. 420 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,839 It's set up to fail. Okay, my crate program, in 421 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,000 my crate recipe does not even involve the human. You 422 00:20:54,039 --> 00:20:56,799 preset these parameters and I set this thing up, which 423 00:20:57,039 --> 00:20:58,759 needs to be read in the book just for safety. 424 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:00,720 You got to set this up safe and that you're 425 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,680 always with them, but you're not involved, like you're sneaking 426 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,079 to looks to see if they do but you're encouraging 427 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:09,240 them just by treats that just fall into this crate. Magically, 428 00:21:09,279 --> 00:21:11,480 it has nothing to do with you. That's what the 429 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:13,920 dog has to believe that you have nothing invested in 430 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,920 it getting in the crate. No human emotion can be 431 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,559 brought to it. This is really pretty big stuff here, 432 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,160 anjis it is And it's like this isn't just play 433 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,240 on words saying parenting. This isn't a play on a 434 00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:26,559 popular pet parenting word. This is this is the true, 435 00:21:26,599 --> 00:21:29,680 this is reality of everyday life that works it. The 436 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,279 book does cover big perspectives of dogs and that they 437 00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:34,119 have a right to be included and they can't learn 438 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,559 the skills to be included when they're removed or when 439 00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:39,599 they're just being taught down and stuff like that. They 440 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,119 need to be shown that kids can run around, things 441 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,680 can get loud, and they need to truly be able 442 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,440 to feel good about those things so that they can 443 00:21:46,519 --> 00:21:50,119 be included instead of being removed. And just causes the 444 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,240 problems to be worse for the reason the reasons why 445 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:54,319 you want to remove them. It causes it to get worse, 446 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,440 not better. They have to be in that spot. 447 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,319 Speaker 2: To learn well. You also say kids are kids, you know, 448 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,839 but dogs can be a little bit like kids who 449 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,279 said that. You know, they do have moments of mischief 450 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:09,119 and ma'ham, their brains are still forming. You've raised two boys, 451 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,680 Come on, mom, let's tie so. 452 00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 4: And this is how I compared it because I kept 453 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,759 my homelike was the same, but all the dogs problems 454 00:22:14,759 --> 00:22:17,319 were different. But then I kept applying the same family, 455 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,279 home life and guidance to it. That's how I figured 456 00:22:19,319 --> 00:22:21,039 it out that it would work on all this stuff 457 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,079 because dogs are less psychologically complicated than humans are, obviously, 458 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,519 and they once they trust and respect you and you 459 00:22:27,599 --> 00:22:30,359 set up a parameters for them, they change fast. But 460 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,880 typical dog training leaves them in years and years and 461 00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:35,319 hundreds of repetitions saying this is going to work and 462 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,960 it doesn't work ultimately, So so the reason why kids 463 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,599 and dogs they both need communication, they both need guidance, 464 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,039 but they needed at different times in different ways. Like 465 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,880 you know, you must time your your communications dog and 466 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,599 then time your communication to what a child can understand, 467 00:22:51,839 --> 00:22:54,440 which is a little bit later you can expand on more. 468 00:22:54,559 --> 00:22:57,440 You know, gray areas dogs has to be black and 469 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,799 white guidance that makes sense to them until they're wiring 470 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:02,759 in their brain and their relationship with you at the 471 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:04,920 moment the thing is happening, or that they are feeling 472 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,559 that thing, and they will believe you when you say, 473 00:23:07,559 --> 00:23:09,440 oh no, that kid didn't that wasn't anything bad that 474 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,880 kid did. He didn't mean to do anything. Lay it down. 475 00:23:12,319 --> 00:23:14,720 But you must end on a good note. All those 476 00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:17,480 experiences must end on a good note for them not 477 00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:19,160 to cure if youar we have just. 478 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 2: A few minutes left. But I do want you to 479 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,559 address because you have these thermometers in your book, a 480 00:23:24,599 --> 00:23:27,599 fear thermometer, and there's a lot of dogs that have 481 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:32,559 separation anxiety, especially pandemic dogs that now people have gone 482 00:23:32,599 --> 00:23:36,119 back to work and things like that. But talk about 483 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,039 the effective use of having like fear thermometers in your 484 00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:44,359 book or prescriptions, you know, for recipes. I mean it's 485 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,160 sort of like talk about that because I feel bad 486 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,799 for dogs that get adopted and the people go to 487 00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:53,240 work and then the dog is like they left me 488 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:54,519 right right. 489 00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 4: I mean, it's like, yeah, they have a right to 490 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,240 be included, but they also we must prepare them to 491 00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:01,519 be alone, and you know, and they have to you want, 492 00:24:01,599 --> 00:24:04,440 they have to feel good about resting alone and understand 493 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,319 that it's a logical part of the daily routine. And 494 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,799 dog training doesn't teach them not But this is so important. No, seriously, 495 00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:13,400 but you just said we are redoing our living room. 496 00:24:13,519 --> 00:24:16,240 We have no furniture in it right now. It is 497 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,720 drywall and hanging fans, and that's right to the front door. 498 00:24:21,079 --> 00:24:23,960 And Kona and Emma, my two dogs, always would sit 499 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,400 on top of the couch through the curtains and wait 500 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,880 for people or do whatever. They don't have that option 501 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,839 because there's no furniture. So I put in their big 502 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,200 doggy square foam bed in the living room and we 503 00:24:35,319 --> 00:24:38,400 see exactly around and looked and they were both sleeping 504 00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:41,640 on the dog bed in the empty living room instead 505 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:42,519 of in our bedroom. 506 00:24:42,599 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 2: With the TV on because I had to think about them. 507 00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, that's the routine. It's just like a two 508 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,240 year old, you know, And in essence they remain perpetual 509 00:24:50,279 --> 00:24:52,880 two year olds in our modern day life. So and 510 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,119 a two year old loves its routine, and dolls want 511 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:56,960 to do the same thing at the same time, with 512 00:24:57,079 --> 00:24:59,240 the same stuff in the same order. Good. 513 00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:00,799 Speaker 2: That's what I hope we get out of you. 514 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 4: Papping into that is how you know, once you once 515 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,319 they and you guide them into saying, no, this is 516 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,599 just a routine we do that's never going to be allowed. 517 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,960 But here's this is allowed, and here's how we do it. 518 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,640 Once they get that down, you don't have to be 519 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,160 worried about it anymore because they perform their routine. That 520 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,079 gives them comfort, and you know, they move around with confidence. 521 00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:21,559 When they truly know what's allowed and what's not allowed, 522 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,799 they move around with confidence and they'll just enact this routine. 523 00:25:25,079 --> 00:25:27,160 But people almost don't believe it. They say that seems 524 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,440 like magic. That can't be that simple, it can't be 525 00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:32,359 that practical, and it's like, well it is, and you've 526 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:33,359 heard it first. 527 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 2: From Anngie Winters. Hey, Angie what's the one thing you 528 00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:40,200 think dogs have done to make you a better human? Well? 529 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 3: Are well? 530 00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:43,759 Speaker 4: Dogs are a purpose of my entire life, because you 531 00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:46,960 know they I was. It's a long personal story, but 532 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,519 I was the recipient of a miracle, and I know 533 00:25:49,599 --> 00:25:51,720 that the dogs are the reasons why I got a 534 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,680 second chance at life. I mean, I you know I 535 00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:55,279 faced my death to. 536 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,559 Speaker 2: Oh come on, you can't just say that. 537 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 4: I know. I know it's like the personal part's hardest 538 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,480 to talk about. But the only reason why I talk 539 00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:04,799 about it is because it's important. Because people understand that 540 00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:06,839 the only reason why I'm doing this is to repay 541 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,759 dogs and to make things better for dogs. And so 542 00:26:09,839 --> 00:26:12,079 I say to them, if you felt dogs saved your life, 543 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,839 or you know dogs saved your life and the work 544 00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:16,519 you were doing with them, and that you were finding 545 00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:18,920 solutions that you could keep dogs in their home and 546 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,960 stop the suffering and make everything better for parents, and 547 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:23,920 you believe they saved your life, could you quit? 548 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 2: No? 549 00:26:24,839 --> 00:26:27,519 Speaker 4: I can't. So it's like there's hard, dark times and 550 00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:30,519 dark days and everything. But dogs have taught me everything 551 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,400 that I needed to know, including my dog Hustle helped 552 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:36,480 teach me what I needed to do. They've taught me 553 00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:39,000 what humans need to do and what they need from humans, 554 00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:41,119 and so I can't stop. I have to keep spreading 555 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,640 information no matter what it takes. 556 00:26:42,839 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 2: Well. You are as my motto is bringing out the 557 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:47,799 best and pets and their people, and that's what your 558 00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:51,240 mission is, and that's why I'm so honored to have 559 00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:54,039 you as a guest on our show. Tell people again 560 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,799 the title of the book and how they can get 561 00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:56,839 the pause on it, you know. 562 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 4: So the book is Don't Train Your Dog, and it's 563 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,960 available Amazon, but you can also go to our website 564 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,400 as parentingfodogs dot com and the social media is it's 565 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,480 been Angie for Dogs for a long time also with 566 00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:11,400 the number four, so there's a combined branding going on 567 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,519 now where we're we're shifting to focus and to create 568 00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:19,359 all our content around this new, very practical book of parenting, 569 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,160 Don't Train Your Dog. 570 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 2: It's absolutely one of my favorite dog books, and I've 571 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,000 written a few and I've read a zillion. So I 572 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,759 was so happy to have you on because you're bringing 573 00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:32,240 parenting skills into the world of dogs and pups and 574 00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:33,079 we need that. 575 00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:35,799 Speaker 4: That's a compliment coming from you, for sure. I appreciate it. 576 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,759 Speaker 2: Hey everybody, at this time, I also want to give 577 00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:41,839 a shout out to my producer. Now his last name 578 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,359 is Winter. Our guest name was Angie Winters, but Mark 579 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,839 Winter is the executive producer of Pet Life Radio, the 580 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,359 largest radio network about pets on the planet. Please check 581 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,440 out the other shows on our network. You want to 582 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,359 follow me easy, My mom gave me a weird name. 583 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,799 It's our more dot com. Get my newsletter it's we 584 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,440 get prizes and good tips in it. And one of 585 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,960 my passions is teaching you how to save your pet slife. 586 00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:13,920 And I'm a master instructor in pet First Aid. I 587 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,480 team up with my dog Kona and yeah a competent 588 00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:22,119 orange tabby named Casey, and we teach veterinary approved classes 589 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,039 in a very fun way. So go to pet First 590 00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:29,960 Aid for you dot com. So until next time, this 591 00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:33,440 is your flea free host Ardenmore delivering just two words 592 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,799 to all you two three four layers out there. 593 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:37,839 Speaker 1: All behave. 594 00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 4: Coast in around the world. 595 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,079 Speaker 3: It's all behaved with Ardenmore. Find out why cats and 596 00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:46,319 dogs do the things they do, and you get the 597 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,200 latest buzz from wagging tongues and tails and rent ten 598 00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:53,000 tinsel Town from famous pet experts and best selling authors, 599 00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:56,000 good television and movie stars. You'll get great tail wagging 600 00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:58,920 pet tips, and have a fur flying fun time. All 601 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,359 behave with America's pet entertainer Arden More every week on 602 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:15,519 demand only on petlifradio dot com