Speaker 1: Hello, audience, I'm here with UFO Jack Jack. How you
Speaker 1: doing pretty good?
Speaker 2: Martin?
Speaker 1: How are we doing good? Good? So thank you all
Speaker 1: for joining us. Let's see we got some people in chat,
Speaker 1: and thank you all for being here. And tonight we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about well, it seems like everyone is
Speaker 1: talking about what Obama said the other day, and I
Speaker 1: thought we could make it interesting and just see how
Speaker 1: long this goes. And so I thought it was you know,
Speaker 1: I thought there's been such a huge reaction to this,
Speaker 1: you know, and he you know, he was obviously joking,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot more to it than just that.
Speaker 1: So what was your take when you first saw it?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I've probably got like twenty or
Speaker 1: thirty emails and texts, you know right away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm included in that.
Speaker 1: Right, don't ever apologize for that. No, I like, I
Speaker 1: like to have information when it's seen out there for sure.
Speaker 2: The I'll be honest Martin, and feel free to laugh.
Speaker 2: I definitely when I saw I didn't see the interview.
Speaker 2: I just saw the clip and I ate it up,
Speaker 2: like I thought it was real. I thought he like
Speaker 2: casually kind of just like let it slip, like, oh, yeah, like,
Speaker 2: no big deal. I didn't when you see just the clip.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't pretend to be the smartest knife
Speaker 2: in the drawer, but like are the sharpest knife in
Speaker 2: the drawer. See there you go, like I thought he was.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I couldn't tell the sarcasm in the clip.
Speaker 2: Obviously when you watch the clip and the statement that
Speaker 2: he came out on Instagram saying, you know that he
Speaker 2: was just joking in spirit of the lightning ground or
Speaker 2: whatever the excuse was. But initially, Martin, I totally was
Speaker 2: bought in, totally thought it was real for like all
Speaker 2: of maybe you know, a few minutes there, but before
Speaker 2: I started like researching it further. Obviously it was a joke.
Speaker 2: But man, it felt good to see that clip. I
Speaker 2: was like, what totally caught me by surprise, just the
Speaker 2: way it was presented so casually, don't you.
Speaker 1: Think, Yeah, you know he's he was always such a
Speaker 1: smooth talker, you know what I mean, And he did
Speaker 1: like to joke a lot. You know, great speech, great
Speaker 1: speeches and all that. You can't I could never say
Speaker 1: that against it. And I'm just gonna say a little
Speaker 1: disclaimer here because uh, Jack, Jack is gone, not sure
Speaker 1: what happened. I'm sure he'll be back in just a minute,
Speaker 1: but that I try to stay apolitical in the show
Speaker 1: because you know, there can be a lot of friction.
Speaker 1: And let me just see if I can see what
Speaker 1: happened to Jack. Anyway, So I really don't like to
Speaker 1: go down that line of you know, but I will
Speaker 1: talk about something when here's Jack. He's back, Jack, I
Speaker 1: think you're back to be having trouble with your internet
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: Nope, sorry about that. I clicked the wrong button.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So I was just saying that I try
Speaker 1: to stay a political but you know, this does involve
Speaker 1: politics today. I'm not going to say one side or
Speaker 1: the other. I like people guessing where I stand. I
Speaker 1: don't even care. I don't even watch the news anymore
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But anyway, I did hear this
Speaker 1: and I looked a little bit into it, and you know,
Speaker 1: Trump waded in today, which was well, I'm not even
Speaker 1: going to say my opinion about that. I just have
Speaker 1: to be careful on that. But I think one things
Speaker 1: I'd like to talk about today is my friend Ben Hanson.
Speaker 1: He's in Factor Fake UFO Witness. I think that's what
Speaker 1: he's involved in these days, very busy in Hollywood, and
Speaker 1: he's former FBI. He's done a lot of analysis of
Speaker 1: different presidents over the year that has been have been
Speaker 1: asked this question, and he does frame by frame. I
Speaker 1: remember when the first time I had met up with him,
Speaker 1: and the first time when he went through the Jimmy
Speaker 1: Kimmel and President Obama. I can't remember the first time
Speaker 1: he was asset, but I think I want to say
Speaker 1: it was twenty fifteen or earlier maybe, And he said
Speaker 1: that he spent over twenty five hours on just a
Speaker 1: small clip, frame by frame, analyzing the different things respiration,
Speaker 1: beating of the heart and that you could see on
Speaker 1: Obama's neck and stuff like that, and just you know,
Speaker 1: some of that will bring up today. But he's not
Speaker 1: a specialist. He says that right up front, matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I think I can play. I think I can play
Speaker 1: a clip. I'm going to give this a try and
Speaker 1: see what happens. We have some clips too, but this
Speaker 1: actually is going to be this is going to be
Speaker 1: directly from YouTube, So rush your fingers and we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens. Okay, here we am.
Speaker 3: And personal individual. I'm also not considered an expert in
Speaker 3: the field of non verbal language. With my background and
Speaker 3: criminal investigations, you could say that I'm just a guy
Speaker 3: with lots of experience conducting thousands of forensic interviews, and
Speaker 3: I'm summarizing the theories of researchers and the real experts.
Speaker 3: All right, So first, I'd like to thank Jimmy Kimmel
Speaker 3: for bringing up the UFO alien topic to both Clinton
Speaker 3: and Obama. It seems apparent that he has a personal
Speaker 3: interest in the subject, and his interviews have been very enlightening. Now,
Speaker 3: on the day of the Obama interview, the Los Angeles
Speaker 3: Times actually ran a story about Kimmel and whether he
Speaker 3: would ask Obama about aliens like he did Bill Clinton.
Speaker 3: The story provides readers a link to my video analysis
Speaker 3: on the former president. It's likely that Kimmel's production team
Speaker 3: picked up on the story and watched the Clinton analysis,
Speaker 3: because Jimmy actually makes reference to my video during his
Speaker 3: interview with Obama.
Speaker 4: Now, you know, there are a lot of people that
Speaker 4: are going to examine your facial expressions here, every twitch everything,
Speaker 4: and say, and of course, so did you look did
Speaker 4: you see did you yes?
Speaker 3: Jimmy, You're right, I am going to examine the facial
Speaker 3: expressions and every twitch. Would you expect anything less, So
Speaker 3: let's get started. Our first challenge is that we have
Speaker 3: a lot less to work with as far as material
Speaker 3: specifically addressing the UFO topic when compared to the Bill
Speaker 3: Clinton interview. The segment where Jimmy asks Obama about UFOs
Speaker 3: is less than a minute long, but Clinton conversed for
Speaker 3: nearly three minutes on the subject. The good news is
Speaker 3: the total interview with President Obama is over thirty minutes,
Speaker 3: so we can draw a good baseline reading from the
Speaker 3: extra content. Let's start from the beginning of the UFO segment.
Speaker 3: You're going to see President Obama sitting with his legs crossed,
Speaker 3: much in the same manner that Bill Clinton was sitting,
Speaker 3: but Clinton liked to grip the arms of the chair.
Speaker 3: Obama places his hands in his lap, and what it
Speaker 3: looks like the same upholstery as from the Clinton interview.
Speaker 3: Jimmy has done some remodeling because this is more of
Speaker 3: a love seat, so he doesn't have the.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to bring us back in because I
Speaker 1: you know, we'll play more of that later, but you
Speaker 1: kind of get the analysis now. Ben's Ben's a good
Speaker 1: friend in California. He gave me permission to use whatever
Speaker 1: I want of his clips, do whatever I want, so
Speaker 1: we can play any of these. But I do have
Speaker 1: to hesitate a little bit when I'm playing other clips
Speaker 1: as far as copyright strikes and all that. But I
Speaker 1: am going to play some clips tonight, and so isn't
Speaker 1: it interesting. I actually took a body language course for
Speaker 1: a while and I just thought it was really you know,
Speaker 1: because I thought it would help out in the UFO world.
Speaker 1: And it was actually taught by some people that were
Speaker 1: looking at They got interested in the UFO topic because
Speaker 1: first of all, they did a show on Bob Bazaar,
Speaker 1: which was very interesting and I suggest anyone that is
Speaker 1: interested in whether Bob Lazare is you know, authentic or
Speaker 1: not to check that out the body language. And then
Speaker 1: they also did one on the Berkshire's UFO and all
Speaker 1: those people in that, specifically Jane, the older woman, and
Speaker 1: they said that woman is telling the truth one hundred percent,
Speaker 1: no no doubt about it. So they were interested in
Speaker 1: the UFO. So I got to talking to them and
Speaker 1: they I ended up taking courses from them. It's really
Speaker 1: fascinating all the little subtle things you never think about,
Speaker 1: you know. I was watching something today a woman talking
Speaker 1: about LBJ and the Kennedy assassination, and when she said
Speaker 1: something or eye moved just quickly off to the side,
Speaker 1: just a little bit like that, real quick, And to me,
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's a red flag. That's like the
Speaker 1: some reason why she did that. But it's what Ben
Speaker 1: says and when he's doing this analysis, is you have
Speaker 1: to have a baseline. You have to really know what
Speaker 1: the person is like in a normal talk. Maybe she
Speaker 1: does that little twitch with her eye all the time.
Speaker 1: I don't know, yep.
Speaker 2: And then even if it is like anomalous, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of body behavior compared to whatever their baseline is,
Speaker 2: there's no way you're going to know what that what
Speaker 2: they were thinking, what they were like. There's there's so
Speaker 2: much you can deduce from it. I feel like it
Speaker 2: can be kind of subjective in terms of what is
Speaker 2: it actually telling you, Like, did they just have a
Speaker 2: bad day that day when they were giving this important testimony.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, did they have other things
Speaker 2: on their mind? You have no idea what's going on in.
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, it could be a lot yep, could
Speaker 1: be a lot of different a lot of different things.
Speaker 1: So we don't want anyone to say anything derogative. Please,
Speaker 1: it's about any of the presidents or anything like that.
Speaker 1: So just gonna keep on chat on chat. This is
Speaker 1: about more about UFOs than anything else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, flight safety, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think where did I hear? I just heard something? No,
Speaker 1: you know Ryan Graves, and I just heard something about
Speaker 1: him today, not him, but someone was using him as
Speaker 1: an example, you know, the tic TAC and all that
Speaker 1: and so, but you know what I mean. And then
Speaker 1: if anyone has maybe watched my thing I did with Grock,
Speaker 1: I actually asked Rock about Obama and UFOs will be
Speaker 1: playing that clip a little later. But anyone that watched
Speaker 1: my recent clip I just put out yesterday, Grock, which
Speaker 1: is an AI tool through X, thinks that the Knimitz
Speaker 1: case is the number one UFO case. I thought that
Speaker 1: was pretty interesting. And because of the Navy pilots and
Speaker 1: you know all that, and also you know later brings up.
Speaker 1: I believe the Ryan Graves, you know all the times
Speaker 1: that he claims that there are people spotting UFOs. However
Speaker 1: that may have been. It's funny I'm prying all these
Speaker 1: different AI cuts. I may have been a different AI Chadick.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to remember on that one. Yes, So
Speaker 1: I'd like to play a couple of clips. First of all,
Speaker 1: before we move on. This is a clip that Ben
Speaker 1: Hansen did for Bill Clinton a number of years ago,
Speaker 1: when Jimmy Kimmel asked the same question of Bill. Just
Speaker 1: a little quick clip right here.
Speaker 3: That they might be able to support some form of life.
Speaker 5: So it makes it increasingly less likely that we're alone.
Speaker 4: Oh, you're trying to give me a hint that there
Speaker 4: are alien I'm.
Speaker 5: Trying to tell you, I don't know.
Speaker 3: He actually nods his head yes in response to Kimmel's question,
Speaker 3: you're trying to give me a hint that there are aliens?
Speaker 3: Clinton immediately nods yes and then quickly says no, and
Speaker 3: that Jock Clinching has returned To take home lesson is
Speaker 3: that Clinton's body is not telling the same story as
Speaker 3: his speech. We're back to uncomfortable Bill kim will seem
Speaker 3: Harms's question that was delivered as a joke because again
Speaker 3: knocked the former president out of his comfort zone.
Speaker 1: Very interesting, isn't it. Yeah, you can have it. Look
Speaker 1: at the subtle things that tell a lot.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and what I don't remember the clip, but I
Speaker 2: think it was George Bush where he was asked on
Speaker 2: a night time on a night show years ago and
Speaker 2: he got like it was awkward the way he I
Speaker 2: don't know if he wasn't prepared for the question or what.
Speaker 2: But have you seen that clip?
Speaker 1: Martin?
Speaker 2: Does that ring?
Speaker 1: Oh? I don't believe. I do not believe I have
Speaker 1: so yeah, I did want to say, oh, okay, So
Speaker 1: this is what Mendy is thinking. She thinks Trump was
Speaker 1: referring to the fact that Obama discussed Area fifty one,
Speaker 1: which is a highly sensitive location. I mean you just
Speaker 1: mentioned it. I mean that wouldn't be classified anyway. So
Speaker 1: I do believe we have a way to take phone calls,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if we want to dare to
Speaker 1: try that this evening.
Speaker 2: Could be risky. Marn Hey, it's your show. You can
Speaker 2: always hang up if it gets well.
Speaker 1: I will say this, if people are watching this show
Speaker 1: and they have a hankering for calling in and discussing
Speaker 1: this without getting political, yes, just type in the chat
Speaker 1: down there that you may be interested in, and then
Speaker 1: I'll just pull all the levers and do everything I'm
Speaker 1: doing here to try to get try to get the
Speaker 1: phone to work. But I did test it today. Seems
Speaker 1: like it's going to work. Someone's saying hi to you,
Speaker 1: cheers UFO Jack. And so yeah, we have some people.
Speaker 1: We have someone from Australia and here Texas. I do
Speaker 1: believe and thank you all for being in here. And
Speaker 1: there is is one. I'm not going to post a statement,
Speaker 1: but anyway, so what do you think about what a
Speaker 1: president knows and is told and how much information they
Speaker 1: actually walk out of the presidency with.
Speaker 2: I mean, as a layman, obviously I would have no idea.
Speaker 2: Let me just start off with that, but I can
Speaker 2: certainly imagine and pontificate, and if I may, Martin, I
Speaker 2: would say, just like how everybody else says, they're just
Speaker 2: a temporary employee, and I think the real information is
Speaker 2: kept elsewhere, and I think the machine is running with
Speaker 2: something else pulling the levers. Sure, maybe the temporary employees
Speaker 2: do pull some temporary levers, if you want to call
Speaker 2: it that, within the giant machine that currently exists, but
Speaker 2: I think it's a lot more. If anything my life
Speaker 2: has shown me, Martin, it's that the truth is never
Speaker 2: is black and white. There's a lot of well I
Speaker 2: shouldn't say that, but there's a lot of nuance with
Speaker 2: a lot of different things in this world, and that
Speaker 2: is certainly the case with the UFO topic. So I
Speaker 2: could imagine it being a little bit complicated, a little
Speaker 2: bit messy, some people knowing something, some people not knowing
Speaker 2: all the things, some people knowing nothing at all, and
Speaker 2: yet being on the same team or same area, same employment,
Speaker 2: what have you. So that's kind of my take, obviously
Speaker 2: a little bit of a non answer, but also I
Speaker 2: feel like there's a lot of truth in that, especially
Speaker 2: with the level of classification that I would imagine would
Speaker 2: be involved with something like that. But I think it's fascinating. Nonetheless,
Speaker 2: how about yourself.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, you know, it's awful. It's awful hard to
Speaker 1: say what they are told and not told. When I
Speaker 1: I was the first one, I know, I've said this
Speaker 1: to the first one to interview, Christopher Mellan and way
Speaker 1: back in twenty fifteen and I think it was that
Speaker 1: or fourteen, and basic I asked him the question, you know,
Speaker 1: because he would know what a president can know and
Speaker 1: not know. And he says, if a president asks, he
Speaker 1: has to be told what is known by he says,
Speaker 1: but it can be compartmentalized. Now, about a year and
Speaker 1: a half ago, when I was out in where were we, Donna, Texas?
Speaker 1: I think it was where I was at. I was
Speaker 1: the MC for the move On event out there, and
Speaker 1: I got I got to meet a former f a
Speaker 1: retired FBI agent and a retired CIA agent. They were
Speaker 1: traveling together and attending the conference, and Donna scoped them
Speaker 1: out and got them talking and sat down with him,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was a real interesting take, especially
Speaker 1: the FBI agent said, you know, the problem with nine
Speaker 1: to eleven was that everything is stovepiped, and so information
Speaker 1: can't It's compartmentalized in a way, That's what you'd say,
Speaker 1: and so one doesn't talk to the other. And they
Speaker 1: said that they're trying to, you know, trying to correct that.
Speaker 1: So there's never you know, the same repeat of that.
Speaker 1: But so I really think, I personally think that the
Speaker 1: people that would have to answer to a president may
Speaker 1: not get all the information.
Speaker 2: Yep, for sure, I can see that happening.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think it's time we should we should
Speaker 1: play another clip here. This is an earlier of Obama.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly what you're This is a little
Speaker 1: a little girl on the I can't remember too generous show,
Speaker 1: and she is a very bright young girl. And as
Speaker 1: a question for Obama, it's pretty cute here it.
Speaker 3: Goes talking to a small child. As we watch this
Speaker 3: again this time, look for how Obama's answer is more
Speaker 3: serious in tone on the alien question, book ended by
Speaker 3: two joke statements. If this feels a little deja vu,
Speaker 3: it's because he did many of the same things he
Speaker 3: did in the Jimmy Kimmel interview. We'll see a joke
Speaker 3: statement when he answers the question about the Book of Secrets.
Speaker 3: Then Macy asks the question are aliens real? Instead of
Speaker 3: answering her, he deflects and redirects the question back to
Speaker 3: her and asks what do you think? Then we'll hear
Speaker 3: him make another joke about the Book of Secrets. Finally
Speaker 3: he'll answer Macy with some stuttering, delays, and every indication
Speaker 3: that the answer was precisely worded but not directly answered.
Speaker 2: So you have questions for the president, this is a
Speaker 2: big moment. You can whatever you want to ask. What's
Speaker 2: your first question?
Speaker 7: So is there really a book of secrets.
Speaker 1: That's a secret.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like what kind of secrets would you want
Speaker 2: to know? Would what would be in the book of
Speaker 2: secrets if abyans are real?
Speaker 8: Ah?
Speaker 1: Well do you think?
Speaker 2: Well, after watching this TV show, I think aliens are
Speaker 2: probably real lately. Okay, Well, which TV show is that?
Speaker 2: I think it's called like America's Book of Secrets.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: Well, it seems like somebody's spilled the secrets already.
Speaker 9: I thought that was classified.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a TV show.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well that The truth is Macy, we we haven't
Speaker 9: actually made direct contact with aliens yet, but when we do,
Speaker 9: I'll let you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, question are aliens real? Answer? The truth is, Macy,
Speaker 3: we haven't actually made direct contact with aliens yet, but
Speaker 3: when we do, I'll let you know. It's close. But
Speaker 3: that's not an exact response to Macy's question. All of
Speaker 3: this is followed by a hard swallow before they move
Speaker 3: on to the rest of the interview. So even when
Speaker 3: participating in a semi rigid interview format, we can see
Speaker 3: that Obama treats the alien top different than he has
Speaker 3: in the past. While he jokes leading up to the question,
Speaker 3: there's a serious nature about his demeanor when he finally answers,
Speaker 3: it's a real shift in how he handles a subject
Speaker 3: now when compared to just a few years ago. Furthermore,
Speaker 3: we now have another instance of a contradictory statement from
Speaker 3: what he's previously said on the subject in review, take
Speaker 3: a look at this evolution from a joking to a
Speaker 3: serious attitude and why there's also in congruence. If you remember,
Speaker 3: when he was running for president, he made jokes about
Speaker 3: extraterrestrials when debating Senator Kucinich. Very understandable because it's not
Speaker 3: reasonable that he was in a position to know anything significant.
Speaker 1: At the time.
Speaker 3: Then, once he became president, his White House staff released
Speaker 3: an official statement in twenty eleven in response to an
Speaker 3: online petition for disclosure. In that statement, the White House
Speaker 3: denied that the US government has hidden knowledge or evidence
Speaker 3: of an extraterrestrial presence. In twenty twelve, he joked about
Speaker 3: aliens and Roswell and how he could reveal the secrets,
Speaker 3: but he'd have to kill you. Then on Jimmy Kimmel
Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen, he joked about aliens who won't let
Speaker 3: their secrets out. But then, when press for an answer
Speaker 3: as to whether he looked into UFO files for the
Speaker 3: first time in public, he suddenly became gravely serious and said.
Speaker 9: Exploit, I can't reveal anything.
Speaker 3: Oh really, no president has ever said that about the
Speaker 3: UFO subject. Well, folks, if this is true that he
Speaker 3: can't reveal anything, why would he deliberately say this?
Speaker 9: Yeah, well that the truth is.
Speaker 8: May say we.
Speaker 9: Haven't actually made direct contact with aliens yet.
Speaker 3: The truth is, we haven't actually made direct contact with
Speaker 3: aliens yet. Is that not an act of revealing information?
Speaker 3: Less than a year after he can't reveal anything, and
Speaker 3: now he's revealing that we haven't made direct contact yet. Guys,
Speaker 3: words do mean something.
Speaker 1: Well, oh, I thought that was interesting. I wanted to
Speaker 1: include that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That girl was cute, so funny. She wanted to
Speaker 1: know the aliens right away, and I think I did
Speaker 1: hear that. I'm trying to think who the actor was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was his son, and it was had to do
Speaker 1: with I can't remember it was, but he came in
Speaker 1: the very first question. He asked, okay, alien's real or
Speaker 1: what and that that one didn't get recorded. It was
Speaker 1: just you know, written up or something. That anyway, that
Speaker 1: was great. I would like to see if anyone has
Speaker 1: any questions for us in regard to this. Hello, everyone
Speaker 1: in chat and we are going to try our phone
Speaker 1: number at some point so it doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: this show. But what do you say? Do you want
Speaker 1: me to go a little further into one of the
Speaker 1: clips or or do you want to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit more about what we think presidents know and don't know?
Speaker 1: Like today? I mean, you would think that you would
Speaker 1: think that if our president today could say it, he
Speaker 1: would say it. I think he's the type of guy
Speaker 1: that would just say it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people say that, But to me,
Speaker 2: I don't see it happening. I don't think if it
Speaker 2: were real, I just don't think I don't think anybody
Speaker 2: would say it. I don't know if that's too pessimistic
Speaker 2: or what, But I don't know why I feel that way,
Speaker 2: but I just feel like there's no way I think
Speaker 2: we would be I don't want to say naive, but
Speaker 2: I just think if it did happen, that would be incredible.
Speaker 2: But I just don't think it would ever to make
Speaker 2: that kind of a mission. I just don't think it
Speaker 2: would happen. I think it would rock the boat too much,
Speaker 2: and you don't want to That's not something you want
Speaker 2: to do in that kind of a position, and if anything,
Speaker 2: you want to maintain some kind of status quo. I
Speaker 2: would think as a layman. But then again, what do
Speaker 2: I know? Nothing?
Speaker 1: So well, you know, he he may be told and
Speaker 1: other presidents may be told. Okay, we do know this,
Speaker 1: but it's classified. You absolutely can never reveal it. But
Speaker 1: then again, you know, I've heard I heard that a
Speaker 1: president can declassify whatever he wants. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's the law, if that's true or not. Maybe someone
Speaker 1: in chat can chime in on that if they know
Speaker 1: the answer to that. But so I would say that
Speaker 1: if it's too our president now to his advantage for
Speaker 1: some reason, I would think that he would go ahead
Speaker 1: and say something.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, And I just to be honest with you, Martin,
Speaker 2: I'm glad that it's happening anyways, especially with how it
Speaker 2: was said by Barack Obama, and even just the most
Speaker 2: recent clip that just I think hit the airwaves with
Speaker 2: our current president at least, like it's the topics getting
Speaker 2: talked about. I feel like it's kind of funny in
Speaker 2: the kind of world that we live in now, Martin.
Speaker 2: We're in a space where I speak about this topic
Speaker 2: from my perspective, which is as I saw something that
Speaker 2: was about two hundred feet away from me in a
Speaker 2: very rural town, and it was nothing that would fit
Speaker 2: into a neat little box that you and I would
Speaker 2: call life of things that we deal with on a
Speaker 2: day to day. And on top of that, we've got
Speaker 2: I mean, you have had guests on your show for
Speaker 2: what fourteen fifteen years now, we are experts in the
Speaker 2: field talking about the research that they've done, cases that
Speaker 2: they've researched. People present you with photographs all the time
Speaker 2: that are very old and probably hard to fake, with
Speaker 2: UFOs and them witness testimony up the wazoo everywhere on
Speaker 2: the internet, on your show, on every other show. I
Speaker 2: think even now today, we have congressmen and women coming
Speaker 2: on podcasts and talking about the topic and even sharing
Speaker 2: what they've seen in skiffs in terms of the vague
Speaker 2: descriptions that they're allowed to give legally. In terms of
Speaker 2: like I think we have Representative Luna saying that she's
Speaker 2: actually seen photographic evidence maybe video, I don't remember, of
Speaker 2: things that she would say like, were what did she
Speaker 2: how did she describe it? Interdimensional? Obviously it wasn't something normal,
Speaker 2: but like obviously she's seen firsthand evidence, so it's just
Speaker 2: and then now we have presidents talking about it and
Speaker 2: it's really making the rounds, and you have the Tedesco
Speaker 2: brothers doing their thing down in Rhode Island with all
Speaker 2: that sensor data. I think even the state of New
Speaker 2: Jersey just approved and voted and finalized on something like
Speaker 2: two or three million dollars dedicated to give to universities
Speaker 2: to study the topic. And I think has another legislative
Speaker 2: that they're putting together. I don't know if they've put
Speaker 2: their money where their mouth is yet on the topic
Speaker 2: like New Jersey has, but I mean, it's just kind
Speaker 2: of like, you don't throw two million dollars at a
Speaker 2: subject to give to universities to study if it's all
Speaker 2: hoopla and fake, you know what I'm saying. It's like
Speaker 2: some of the things that kind of come to my
Speaker 2: mind when when I heard that Obama clip on Brian
Speaker 2: Cohen's podcast, and now with our current president giving a
Speaker 2: brief comment on the news headlines that Obama made with
Speaker 2: this UFO comments, So I just think it's all. I
Speaker 2: think all the data is out there. I think it's
Speaker 2: silly to think that there's nothing to it. As an experiencer,
Speaker 2: if you want to call it that, who has been
Speaker 2: two hundred feet away from one myself, I definitely could
Speaker 2: say that it wasn't anything normal within our daily lives
Speaker 2: that I could fit it into a neat little bucket.
Speaker 2: It was in the other unknown category. And I think
Speaker 2: it's interesting that with my own sighting, you know, you
Speaker 2: kind of have these situations where, like I went looking
Speaker 2: for answers and seeing red orbs is not an uncommon
Speaker 2: common sighting of experiencers who have seen UFOs, like, and
Speaker 2: I didn't know that at the time of my sighting,
Speaker 2: but like seeing a red orb isn't necessarily uncommon in
Speaker 2: the UFO for those who have experienced UFOs, it's like
Speaker 2: a more common one to see. When I kind of
Speaker 2: found that out, I was kind of bummed. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: it seems so cool, But I guess it's really not
Speaker 2: that uncommon, So I just think it's I think it's
Speaker 2: all very interesting. But those are the things that come
Speaker 2: to mind when when we hear our leaders making the
Speaker 2: statements like this. I think it's fascinating. It brings all
Speaker 2: those emotions and speculations and all of that data that's
Speaker 2: currently out there. We live in such a data rich environment.
Speaker 2: I think people need to be reminded of how much
Speaker 2: information actually is out there. I know recently I attended
Speaker 2: the UAP Summit conference to conference with Reed Summers. I
Speaker 2: think his name is, Yes, I can't remember his last name,
Speaker 2: but that's him. Richard Dolan was going on a tear.
Speaker 2: He was going on a heater basically kind of just
Speaker 2: speak in his mind about how we have all the
Speaker 2: data is already out there, but it's not it's not
Speaker 2: moving the needle, so to speak. And there is a
Speaker 2: lot of information out there, and I just think it's again,
Speaker 2: it's it's great to see it happening. And I always
Speaker 2: laugh at myself thinking that I thought Obama was serious
Speaker 2: when I saw that clip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, there's there's a lot really to unpack. Well,
Speaker 1: Mendy wanted to know how large you're the orb was
Speaker 1: that you saw, approximately.
Speaker 2: Mendy, it was. I was two hundred feet away from it,
Speaker 2: so I'll give you two like estimates. So when it
Speaker 2: had its light on, it was a glowing red and
Speaker 2: white pulsating light. I couldn't really separate the white from
Speaker 2: the red, if that makes any sense, and just driving
Speaker 2: something that I don't know what it is, so bear
Speaker 2: with me there. But when the light was turned on,
Speaker 2: when it was glowing, it was probably about half the
Speaker 2: size of a sedan, just like floating in the air.
Speaker 2: And I followed it in my car for maybe like
Speaker 2: a quarter mile before it stopped over someone's house. But then, Mendy,
Speaker 2: the other size estimate that I would give you from
Speaker 2: two hundred feet away was when it shut its light
Speaker 2: it's light off, it was just a small dark center
Speaker 2: mass with like a squiggly line dark line going around it,
Speaker 2: and that was smaller than half a sedan. That was
Speaker 2: maybe like that. I felt like it could have sat
Speaker 2: in like the driver's seat of a standard car like that,
Speaker 2: kind of like if you could picture that like a dark,
Speaker 2: random void of light sitting in a car. But anyways,
Speaker 2: on a single seat. So, Mendy, I hope that helps
Speaker 2: answer your questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, excellent. So a couple of things I was thinking
Speaker 1: about when you were talking about at all you just
Speaker 1: were just a few minutes ago, and one of them
Speaker 1: is you know, the government has has admitted that there
Speaker 1: are things flowing around the sky that they do not
Speaker 1: know what they are.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 1: So but here's the thing. If if they know more
Speaker 1: than they're saying, and it's not our adversaries, why should
Speaker 1: it be classified? I mean this, this is a puzzle
Speaker 1: for me. I wondered why something that it could it
Speaker 1: could be revealed? Then why is it classified if it's
Speaker 1: not national security?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the explanation that I feel like
Speaker 2: we usually read about and I don't know how true
Speaker 2: this is today, but I think it was what public panic,
Speaker 2: right they just said.
Speaker 1: I don't think I think that's true. I think they
Speaker 1: they did say that, you know, years ago, but I
Speaker 1: don't believe that would be the case. I think we've
Speaker 1: had this type of soft disclosure type of thing for
Speaker 1: quite a few years now that I don't think anyone's
Speaker 1: going to be shocked if we all of a sudden
Speaker 1: found out that, you know, there's intelligent life out there.
Speaker 1: You know what I forgot to do. I forgot to
Speaker 1: play the clip that started this whole thing. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna do that right now here we.
Speaker 8: Go real, But I haven't seen them, and and they're
Speaker 8: not being kept in Uh what is it?
Speaker 1: Fifty one?
Speaker 8: There's no underground facility unless there's this enormous conspiracy. And
Speaker 8: they hit it from the President of the United States
Speaker 8: just posted.
Speaker 1: He walks it back. What do we have to do?
Speaker 1: I get to take us out or something.
Speaker 6: I don't know exactly what aground. Yeah, yeah, it's oh,
Speaker 6: it's in the background the wrong place, all right, But anyway,
Speaker 6: he walked it back, and I just don't you know,
Speaker 6: you don't hear any more about it, really, you know.
Speaker 1: And the thing you do when you're trying to do
Speaker 1: damage control is you just hope it kind of goes
Speaker 1: quiet and goes away. But a lot of people are rehashing,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole thing, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: They they Yeah, that makes sense. And Martin, as you're talking,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to pull up the the George Bush clip.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out what minute markets at. But
Speaker 2: I'm getting bogged down with ads on YouTube. I don't
Speaker 2: pay for premium. But the other thing I wanted to
Speaker 2: mention too, Martin, that I forgot to mention when I
Speaker 2: went on that mini rant, there was not only do
Speaker 2: we have congressmen and women coming on podcasts and speaking
Speaker 2: about the topic and what they've seen, and they've been
Speaker 2: on your show too, Martin. One yeah, one, yeah, but
Speaker 2: still a pretty big one and then or a very
Speaker 2: outspoken advocate on the topic. I should say, probably a
Speaker 2: better way to say that. But even now Wall Street Martin,
Speaker 2: they're ticker symbol UFO D like hello, like what do we?
Speaker 2: What are we doing? Like what are we? What's going on?
Speaker 2: Like why why are we all? Why is everybody dancing
Speaker 2: around it? And I think like even pilots today, like
Speaker 2: I feel like there's probably still stigma out there. I
Speaker 2: know there's stigma for me just amongst friends as a layman,
Speaker 2: as a citizen, non military and not a pilot. Just
Speaker 2: to talk about it, you get laughed at. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't really care about it at this point in
Speaker 2: my life, but that is still very much a thing,
Speaker 2: even though it's much less than what it used to be.
Speaker 2: At least people don't think you're a whack job, but
Speaker 2: they're gonna make fun of you for sure. And if
Speaker 2: if you have some kind of different career, who knows,
Speaker 2: maybe it could have could have affect your career aspirations
Speaker 2: I know you and I have talked about that in
Speaker 2: the past as well, Martin with your situation too, So
Speaker 2: I think I think it's all very interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there's I think, like you said, today's
Speaker 1: a lot different than and it was, you know, when
Speaker 1: I first started the show in twenty eleven, But today
Speaker 1: I'm much more comfortable. And like you said, I agree.
Speaker 1: I could care less what people think and do you
Speaker 1: talk about it, But when you're a mixed company, I
Speaker 1: would say that it feels like more people are agreeing
Speaker 1: that there's something going on than the ones that'll laugh
Speaker 1: at you. Okay, that's what I think. Good take, all right,
Speaker 1: all right. I think there's something like sixty five percent
Speaker 1: the last poll was taken. I do believe that sixty
Speaker 1: five percent. I don't want to say believe in UFOs,
Speaker 1: but realize that there's something, you know, happening that we
Speaker 1: don't understand in this guy. And it's not just make
Speaker 1: believe tinfoil hats.
Speaker 2: All that stuff, right, absolutely, And you know what fascinates
Speaker 2: the most for me too, I mean the whole topic.
Speaker 2: Does I keep saying that everything's fascinating as it relates
Speaker 2: to this stuff, But the Tedesco brothers down in Long Island.
Speaker 2: I mean with the data that they've collected with their sensors.
Speaker 2: I feel like your everyday human being on this planet
Speaker 2: isn't necessarily thinking about all of the different ways in
Speaker 2: which or the limited ability we have with our human
Speaker 2: eyeballs to see in the world. We only see through
Speaker 2: a specific band of light. And correct me if I'm
Speaker 2: wrong experts on the Internet and the chat and yourself too, Martin,
Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure it's pretty it's limited. And the
Speaker 2: tying it back to the Tedesco brothers, they're seeing orbs
Speaker 2: of light like I've seen orbs an orb where they're
Speaker 2: not seeing it with the naked eye, but they're picking
Speaker 2: it up on infrared. So like, for all we know, Marrow,
Speaker 2: when you step out the front door, who's to say
Speaker 2: there isn't anything up there? Every day? We just can't
Speaker 2: see it. It's like, how do you tell what's that
Speaker 2: old saying that I heard after I started looking into
Speaker 2: this topic, how do you tell a fish to see water?
Speaker 2: You know, when they're born in it? Kind of thing.
Speaker 2: It's like the same thing with us. We can't imagine
Speaker 2: if we could walk around seeing every single spectrum of light,
Speaker 2: like you wouldn't be able to walk, it would be
Speaker 2: so disorientated, or maybe you'd get used to it after
Speaker 2: a while. But like night vision, infrared, all that stuff.
Speaker 2: And I'm I'm not an engineer or have any expertise
Speaker 2: in the scientific realm so to speak any more with
Speaker 2: any more specificity than that. But I'm sure there's a
Speaker 2: much more eloquant way to put that. But I think
Speaker 2: you understand the gist that I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Okay, so AI's taking over. Alexa was just talking in
Speaker 1: the other room. I was hearing it come in here.
Speaker 1: Alexa randomly started talking so and speaking of that. You know,
Speaker 1: when I when I had a conversation with UFOs with
Speaker 1: Grock yesterday, basically came up with this phrase, two phrases
Speaker 1: I love, and one of them was, let's see, maybe
Speaker 1: there's something a layer in the sky we don't we're
Speaker 1: not able to see. I can't remember the exact wording,
Speaker 1: but what I you know, I mean, when it was
Speaker 1: trying to explain UFOs, maybe there's a layer in the
Speaker 1: sky that we can't see. I mean, that's quite a statement.
Speaker 1: And also about the Ariel school children, you know what
Speaker 1: they went through and everything, and GROX said, well, maybe
Speaker 1: they got a backstage passed to something much bigger. I mean,
Speaker 1: what a great phrase is I thought that was great.
Speaker 1: But yeah, anyway, we have we have a clip here too.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play I might as well, you know, play
Speaker 1: this clip because about I don't know, maybe ten people
Speaker 1: sent this to me today. So I'll play a little
Speaker 1: bit of it, you know, a few seconds of it.
Speaker 1: Here we go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a lot this week. I'm Obama said
Speaker 2: that aliens are real.
Speaker 1: Have you seen any evidence of non human visitors who.
Speaker 5: Are Well, he gave class of right information. He's not
Speaker 5: supposed to be doing that. The waif they're real, Well,
Speaker 5: I don't know if they're real or not. I can
Speaker 5: tell you he gave class of my information. He's not
Speaker 5: supposed to be doing that. Well, he made a big
Speaker 5: for sake, he took it out a class of my information.
Speaker 8: No, I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't have an opinion on and I never talked
Speaker 5: about it a lot of people.
Speaker 1: That was his statement anyway, you know, yeah, we take
Speaker 1: it as you will. Again, I'm not going to go
Speaker 1: on one side of the other. But uh, I didn't
Speaker 1: really understand what would be classified. There's no real classified information.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't really either. I know Mendy had some
Speaker 2: thoughts in the chat. I don't know if anybody else did,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I thought that was interesting and interesting comment
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well it just kind of shows you how viral
Speaker 1: that one statement game, you know, and I wonder how
Speaker 1: viral it did go. I mean, there's no way to
Speaker 1: really measure that, but it just seems like, you know,
Speaker 1: that was it blew up? Yeah? Good for the podcaster, right, Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he definitely knew what he was doing. He clipped
Speaker 2: that up so fast. I'm sure I know I would.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Oh that's funny. Well, I think that's probably
Speaker 1: gonna about do it first tonight. Any last statement? Do
Speaker 1: you want to make jack about this whole situation?
Speaker 2: No, I think I think you pretty much summed it up, Martin.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it, Yeah, and thank you all for being here
Speaker 1: in chat. I do appreciate it. And let me just
Speaker 1: see if there's one more thing I think? Well, I
Speaker 1: do have the Grock take on this? Should I play that?
Speaker 1: What the take of AI thinks about the whole Obama
Speaker 1: thing and all that? What do you think sure, we'll
Speaker 1: run that. All right, We'll run that and then we'll
Speaker 1: call it a night. Here it goes, Hey, groc howaya?
Speaker 7: Hey doing great? How about you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing good. But I'm talking to my audience tonight
Speaker 1: about President Obama's recent comment just a couple of days
Speaker 1: ago with the Brian Tyler Cohen about he knows that
Speaker 1: aliens are real, but he hasn't seen them yet, or
Speaker 1: something along those lines, and then he walked it back afterwards.
Speaker 1: And I know there's you know, a lot of people
Speaker 1: that think it was just all in joking, but you know,
Speaker 1: if you look at how many times he's been asked
Speaker 1: this question over the years, Jimmy Kimmel and many other shows,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes he gets pretty intense about it or
Speaker 1: tense stuff I should say. And my friend Ben Hansen,
Speaker 1: former FBI, has done a lot of analysis of when
Speaker 1: Obama has been asked that question. Just your overall thoughts,
Speaker 1: if you would.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that clip from the Brian Tyler Cohen podcast about
Speaker 7: five days back now definitely stirred things up. Obama was
Speaker 7: in a quick fire round, super casual and when asked
Speaker 7: are aliens real? He just goes, they're real? But I
Speaker 7: haven't seen them. Then jokes about no secret area fifty
Speaker 7: one stash unless everyone's hiding it from him. Laughter all around,
Speaker 7: felt like he was playing along with the bit. Then boom,
Speaker 7: he posts on Instagram right after basically, hey, universe is huge.
Speaker 7: Life probably out there statistically, but no evidence We've been
Speaker 7: visited and zero during my presidency. Straight up clarification, no hedging.
Speaker 7: So yeah, he walked it back fast, but not like
Speaker 7: he was panicked. Just keeping it real. On the body
Speaker 7: language stuff, Ben Hansen's done some deep dives over the years,
Speaker 7: right like on Kimmel Ellen. Those moments where Obama pauses,
Speaker 7: smiles tight, or shifts tone, Hanson reads it as tension,
Speaker 7: maybe knowing more than he lets on, or just dodging
Speaker 7: the trap of sounding nuts. Could be but honestly, Obama's
Speaker 7: always been smooth. Those intense vibes might just be him
Speaker 7: not wanting to fuel conspiracy nuts while staying chill. Presidents
Speaker 7: get briefed on everything weird. Doesn't mean they believe ET's
Speaker 7: phoning home. Overall fun viral moment, but it tracks with
Speaker 7: his old answers. Probable life somewhere, no proof here, no
Speaker 7: big reveal, no cover up, slip, just Obama being Obama
Speaker 7: ry careful, may be a little amused. What do you
Speaker 7: think joke or did he let something real slip?
Speaker 1: Well, it makes you wonder what he may really know.
Speaker 1: You know, it's whether it's something that is compartmentalized and
Speaker 1: kept from him, you know, a need to know type
Speaker 1: of situation. It's all just you know, speculation. But he
Speaker 1: seems to have been asked that question more than other presidents,
Speaker 1: and I do after you reply to this, please reply
Speaker 1: to looking into You know, Trump had chimed in today
Speaker 1: kind of saying that Obama spilled classified information, which of
Speaker 1: course is not true.
Speaker 7: Let me check what Trump said today. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 7: wild how that one off hand line? They're real, just exploded,
Speaker 7: And you're right. Obama gets hit with the alien question
Speaker 7: way more than most presidents, Like Jimmy Kimmel grilled him
Speaker 7: back in twenty fifteen Ellen two. He'd laugh it off,
Speaker 7: say something like I can't talk about that, but you
Speaker 7: could see the pause, the little eye shift. Ben Hansen's
Speaker 7: breakdowns spot on. He flags those micro expressions as classic deflection,
Speaker 7: maybe from briefing fatigue or just not wanting to sound
Speaker 7: like a tinfoil hat guy could be compartmentalized. Sure presidents
Speaker 7: aren't in every black site vault, but honestly, if there
Speaker 7: was real intel, he'd probably play it cooler than that.
Speaker 7: As for Trump today, yep, he jumped on at a
Speaker 7: board Air Force one told reporters Obama gave classified information
Speaker 7: and made a big mistake. Didn't explain what part was classified,
Speaker 7: just kind of smirked and said he's not supposed to
Speaker 7: be doing that. Classic Trump turns a joke into a scandal,
Speaker 7: no proof needed, But come on, Obama's clarification was instant,
Speaker 7: no evidence, no visitors, no area fifty one stash. Trump's
Speaker 7: basically trolling, not dropping bombshells. If anything, it shows how
Speaker 7: fast this stuff gets weaponized politically. You think Obama's hiding
Speaker 7: something deeper or just tired of the same old gotcha?
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. You know, it's a very curious
Speaker 1: with the statement you just made. You know, I try
Speaker 1: to stay apolitical on this show, so we'll see what
Speaker 1: type of feedback I get. But I do appreciate your comments.
Speaker 7: Totally get it. Keeping it neutrals smart, Especially on UFO stuff,
Speaker 7: people get fired up fast. Glad you liked the take.
Speaker 7: If you ever want to bounce more ideas off me, Obama, Trump, whoever,
Speaker 7: just say the word good luck with the audience tonight.
Speaker 1: All right, Rock, thank you.
Speaker 7: Anytime, catch you later.
Speaker 1: Well that was the chime in. It's interesting. You never
Speaker 1: know what it's going to say, but it's all good.
Speaker 2: I just want AI to tell me that's disclosure, you
Speaker 2: know what.
Speaker 1: I have brought this up when I've talked to people
Speaker 1: in regards to AI. I do believe that will be
Speaker 1: a possible, you know, pivotal way to figure out a
Speaker 1: lot more about what these things are. In some way.
Speaker 1: It sure will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll definitely crack the code. I feel like it
Speaker 2: can't be long.
Speaker 1: It feels like it, you know, but it's felt like
Speaker 1: that for some time. But it does feel like that's
Speaker 1: very much a possibility. So just for everyone, come back
Speaker 1: next Tuesday. We have Rice Abel and Brent Freeman. It's
Speaker 1: a great show. It's premiering. I had to pre record
Speaker 1: with them because they were together in one location, so
Speaker 1: I did that and it's a great interview. You're going
Speaker 1: to love it. So thanks so much, Jack, I really
Speaker 1: appreciate you being here. Thanks. We'll be back talking again,
Speaker 1: maybe in another month or something like that. Always good
Speaker 1: to have you on.
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, thanks chat, see you guys.
Speaker 1: See you, and stay warm, Jack, I know it's kind
Speaker 1: of cold up there. Soon to be back, yeah, all
Speaker 1: right for a couple of days, all right. Take care,