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<v Speaker 1>We'll bring on the og the man himself, Mike Clifs. Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>how you do this evening?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing great, just handing out candy, pretty busy, well

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<v Speaker 2>my old neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have any candy here.

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<v Speaker 3>I know to go stop by the cliff household in

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<v Speaker 3>to get my candy on once I get done with

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<v Speaker 3>this show.

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<v Speaker 1>But Mike, you get some candy for our for our

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<v Speaker 1>eyes here The Lway Years.

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<v Speaker 3>Your latest book is out and I've uh been enjoyed

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<v Speaker 3>reading it up about three quarters of the way through.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't spoil the ending for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh and uh, I have really enjoyed enjoyed reading this

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<v Speaker 3>so far. What what brought on the the impetus for

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<v Speaker 3>writing this book?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Try and Publishing Bill Lane's gave me a call

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<v Speaker 2>and asked me if I would be interested in doing

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<v Speaker 2>the book. And he said that you know, with with

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<v Speaker 2>seven eight years of the of the drought for the Broncos,

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<v Speaker 2>that uh, maybe people were hungry for reliving some glory

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<v Speaker 2>and Halway, of course was the impetous Happy Halloween everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The impetus as it was going to be just about

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<v Speaker 2>the ninety seven ninety eighteen with an emphasis on Lway,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it became a little more on Elway as

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<v Speaker 2>the most influential person and in a in a climaxinge

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<v Speaker 2>with the nineteen ninety seven ninety eight Super Bowls. So

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<v Speaker 2>kind of took readers through the journey through John Elway's journey,

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<v Speaker 2>and but also had chapters in there on Rod and

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<v Speaker 2>ed on Terrell Davis of course, so uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of began with how John h joined the team

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<v Speaker 2>with the Orange Crushers. The Orange Crushers were still around,

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of them were on their in their final

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<v Speaker 2>three or four years, and so he bridged a few

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<v Speaker 2>eras and then we finished up with a chapter on

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<v Speaker 2>his GM tenure, his ten year GM tenure, where I

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<v Speaker 2>got to know John quite well. Covered every part of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I talked to quite a few people, Kubiak Shanahan.

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<v Speaker 2>Shanahan wrote the forward, and I think people will enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've certainly enjoyed it so far.

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<v Speaker 3>Talking with Mike cliss and about his new book, The

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<v Speaker 3>l Way Years, there was a particularly appointed part in

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<v Speaker 3>there for me, and I appreciate this book as it

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<v Speaker 3>comes out now because of the parallels with trying to

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<v Speaker 3>grow bone Nicks. But there was a particularly poignant part

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<v Speaker 3>in there where you talk about Torell Davis and mentioning

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<v Speaker 3>him bringing up the how devastating that Jacksonville loss was

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<v Speaker 3>and how that was sort of the catalyst for the

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<v Speaker 3>Super Bowl runs in the sense that when they had

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<v Speaker 3>a bad practice or you know, they had a let

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<v Speaker 3>down moment, they just went to each other and said,

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<v Speaker 3>day man, Jacksonville and that sort of was a rallying

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<v Speaker 3>cry around, you know, the catalyst for being able to

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<v Speaker 3>push through those difficult moments during the Super Bowl runs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was surprised a little surprised by that because

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<v Speaker 2>I remember for the Uh I think I was with

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<v Speaker 2>the Gazette then Carle Springs Gazette. I covered that Jacksonville game.

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<v Speaker 2>I had the Jacksonville locker room, which turned out to

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<v Speaker 2>be the victorious locker room, which you know, was surprising,

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<v Speaker 2>and talking to Tony Vasselli and the gang, I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>I looked back on that time and thought the Broncos

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<v Speaker 2>should have been a three pat you know, they should

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<v Speaker 2>have won three in a row, and then they really

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<v Speaker 2>would have stamped themselves as one of the all time

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<v Speaker 2>great teams had they won three in a row, but

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<v Speaker 2>TD said that he didn't think they'd win those back

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<v Speaker 2>to back in ninety seven and ninety eight without the

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<v Speaker 2>motivation from losing in ninety six to Jacksonville. The way

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<v Speaker 2>they did it was it was a bummer how they

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<v Speaker 2>lost it because they clinched too early that year. They

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<v Speaker 2>were twelve and one. They clinched with three weeks to go,

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<v Speaker 2>and Shanahan was still going that for going through that

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time, how's everybody doing? Yeah? Take two

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<v Speaker 2>and then so they weren't sharp in that Jacksonville game.

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<v Speaker 2>They went up twelve nothing but they but they but

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<v Speaker 2>they they they were I don't know, they had the

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<v Speaker 2>they had the four to five week blues by week blues,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know they Shannon Sharp dropped the two point conversion,

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<v Speaker 2>Jason and Elam missed an extra point. Burnell was on fire.

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<v Speaker 2>They couldn't cover Jimmy Smith. The throne means Shanahan blamed

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<v Speaker 2>himself because he didn't run the ball enough. Uh, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the one. I think TD had seven games where he

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<v Speaker 2>rushed for or or eight playoff games where he rushed

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<v Speaker 2>for one hundred yards. Seven of the eighty rushed for

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred The one he didn't was Jacksonville yet ninety

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<v Speaker 2>one yards on just fourteen carries, and he wouldn't make

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<v Speaker 2>that mistake again. The next year in ninety seven on

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<v Speaker 2>that revenge tour, they just steamrolled Jacksonville. TD had a

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<v Speaker 2>big day. They just ran like crazy in that game.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was Shanahan's ever last seen regret is that

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<v Speaker 2>he got away from the running game in that playoff

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<v Speaker 2>loss to Jacksonville.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's no trick, it's a treat for us.

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<v Speaker 3>Get to talk to Mike Cliss about his book The

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<v Speaker 3>Elway Years. You know, you mentioned the kind of confluence

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<v Speaker 3>of errors, you know how everything kind of went wrong

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<v Speaker 3>in that moment to Jason Eland, the Shannon sharp drop

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<v Speaker 3>of the two point conversion. We juxtaposed that with this

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<v Speaker 3>season for the Denver Broncos, where everything sort of seems

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<v Speaker 3>to be going right. You caught a Tampa Bay team

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<v Speaker 3>missing what five six starters on defense blew them out.

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<v Speaker 3>You had a New Orleans Saints team on Thursday night

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<v Speaker 3>missing their quarterback, missing five or six players.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you get a carol lot of team. Albeit they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't very talented before they were missing.

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<v Speaker 3>Their players, and now you've got a Baltimore situation where

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<v Speaker 3>you've got one defensive lineman healthy, had a quarterback who's

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<v Speaker 3>missed two practices with a growing issue that's being termed

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<v Speaker 3>knee and back.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this sort of the antithesis.

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<v Speaker 3>Of everything going wrong at the you know, everything going

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<v Speaker 3>right for the Denver Broncos for once.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I was gonna say for once. It's been

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<v Speaker 2>a while because this team is definitely in a drought

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<v Speaker 2>and the schedule has worked out for him pretty well.

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<v Speaker 2>And we'll see about three evens. I give him a chance. Hi, ladies,

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<v Speaker 2>take take two? Okay, Happy Halloween. You think Lamar plays,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, Ben.

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<v Speaker 1>I do believe that he's going to play.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, everything I've been told is that he's going to play,

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<v Speaker 3>but that growing issue is definitely sore, so they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to try and rest him until then.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Lamar seems to me like he has a

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<v Speaker 2>practice uh missing practice drama a couple times a year

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<v Speaker 2>and uh and usually makes it on game day. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I know Baltimore media are wondering because they have

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<v Speaker 2>a short week. On the other side, Thursday Thursday game

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<v Speaker 2>against the Bengals, which is big form division opponent that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe Lamar d rests this game and plays against the Bengals,

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<v Speaker 2>But I know the Broncos sure are thinking he's gonna play.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about the whole uh, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>other sense working in the in the Broncos favor. It

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<v Speaker 2>seems to me the only thing I've noticed about this

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<v Speaker 2>team is just how much more, how much tougher they are.

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<v Speaker 2>And I you know, I credit Sean Payton and and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, whatever whatever you think of Sean Payton and

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<v Speaker 2>how he seems his mood seemed to swing on press conferences,

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<v Speaker 2>especially after games win or lose. He's got this team

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<v Speaker 2>playing tough, and he's got them playing together, especially on defense.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like everybody really likes each other, like their

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<v Speaker 2>best panels, and they're selling out for each other. And meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>Bull's coming along. You know, He's he's getting better and better.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't look good the first two weeks. He hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>looked good here and there, but I think overall incrementally

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<v Speaker 2>he's getting better and played real well against a weak

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<v Speaker 2>Carolina team. But still he needed that for his confidence.

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<v Speaker 3>You talk in the book The l Way Years about

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<v Speaker 3>how Mike Shanahan and uh and and others pointed out

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<v Speaker 3>that as John's moods went so in the team at

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<v Speaker 3>various intervals, but the team loved him.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they love John Elway.

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<v Speaker 3>They they played for John Elway and all that, and

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<v Speaker 3>it feels to me like we sort of see a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of that in bo Nicks. Bow hasn't been

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<v Speaker 3>the greatest so far, there have been some missus, as

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Dow pointed out, but there there it feels to.

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<v Speaker 1>Me like he's got that tough, gritty persona.

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<v Speaker 3>He's willing to put his body on the line, and

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<v Speaker 3>there are the players sort of respect that in a

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<v Speaker 3>way that I don't know that I've seen out of

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<v Speaker 3>a quarterback since maybe Olway.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree, he they they do have they do.

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<v Speaker 2>Like my wife just walked in. I don't think she

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<v Speaker 2>knows I'm on with shit, Honey, I'm on the radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, and now you.

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<v Speaker 1>Are too, Uh Hi, missus Cliff, we love having on

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<v Speaker 1>as well.

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<v Speaker 2>The Yeah, I think, Paul, I agree that they seem

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<v Speaker 2>to like him from the beginning. Kind of a guy's guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what Elway was. Elway to me, was a

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<v Speaker 2>guy's guy. You know, when Elway was the type of

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<v Speaker 2>guy who would go go out and have a beer

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<v Speaker 2>with his offensive lineman and whoever it was on the team,

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<v Speaker 2>you know it was it was off the field on

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<v Speaker 2>the field. He was a good pal and Paul Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it doesn't strike me this guy who goes

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<v Speaker 2>out for many beers, if at all, but he is.

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you he's a smart football player, like high

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<v Speaker 2>IQ football player. He's been around football players all his life.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, his dad was a coach. He was done.

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<v Speaker 2>Dad was done playing by the time Bow was born.

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<v Speaker 2>But still, you know, his dad was around football all

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<v Speaker 2>his life. So is Bowl. He knows everything about the

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<v Speaker 2>sport inside and out, all the nuances. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a mature We've talked about this ad nauseum. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a mature rookie. And and plus he's he's a good teammate.

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<v Speaker 2>He looks like he you know, he's one of those

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<v Speaker 2>guys that rallied the others around him. And keep in

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<v Speaker 2>mind also he followed Russ and that was a different

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<v Speaker 2>deal for Sean Payton and all the Broncos were you

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<v Speaker 2>know Russ. I think there was had a persona that

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<v Speaker 2>he was. He was the biggest guy on the team.

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<v Speaker 2>Sean Payton didn't want anybody who was bigger than others,

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<v Speaker 2>and bow Nix doesn't carry himself that way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he certainly doesn't. And I think that's been a

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<v Speaker 3>refreshing change. I were talking with Mike Cliss again is

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<v Speaker 3>his new book, The Lway Years Inside the Super Bowl

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<v Speaker 3>era of the Denver Broncos. Mike was the what was

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<v Speaker 3>the most surprising aspect in writing this book?

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously you lived a lot of that, but was there

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<v Speaker 1>anything new.

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<v Speaker 3>That you you suddenly discovered and as you were as

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the one thing that Tom Green kind of jumped

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<v Speaker 2>on in my first interview on this book, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I what he what he jumped on were the Dan

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<v Speaker 2>Reeves here, just how much Elway and Reeves did not

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<v Speaker 2>like each other. There was a column by Dick Connor

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety one nineteen ninety two right in there

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<v Speaker 2>where Elway exploded, vented his frustrations on Dan Reeves, suffocating

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<v Speaker 2>him in Elway's eyes offensively and wouldn't let him go

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<v Speaker 2>John got to go schoolyard and do his thing. You

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<v Speaker 2>know it hit the paper. Dick Connor wrote all of

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<v Speaker 2>Elway's frustrations. He threw the paper down. He called the

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<v Speaker 2>Shanahan in, who was the offensive coordinator, and threw the

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<v Speaker 2>And Shanahan said, well, why are you yelling at me for?

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<v Speaker 2>You know John said it. He said, hold on right there,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to bring John in right now. I'm tired

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<v Speaker 2>of being the uh the goal between here. You guys

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<v Speaker 2>talk it out. And so he brought John in and

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't really go well.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>John exploded some more and then uh it got to

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<v Speaker 2>a point where l Reeves wanted to trade John to Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>the Washington Redskins. At the time, John was at uh uh,

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<v Speaker 2>he was playing in that celebrity golf tournament in Lake Tahoe,

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<v Speaker 2>Browns running back but Washington running backs coach, and Weiner said, John,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought we had you. And Elway said, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you mean you thought you had me? And he said,

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<v Speaker 2>we thought we had you in a trade. And Elway

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<v Speaker 2>found out right then at the blackjack table that he

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<v Speaker 2>that there was a trade finished. He was going to Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, they had all the pieces in the

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<v Speaker 2>draft picks all figured out. But Pat Bolan wound up

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<v Speaker 1>Well lucky for us he did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And and Elways said, look, it wouldn't have been

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<v Speaker 2>bad for me because Washington won the Super Bowl that

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<v Speaker 2>year with Mark Rippin. And but still the next year,

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<v Speaker 2>despite all that acrimony, the next year, the Broncos went

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<v Speaker 2>twelve and four and went to the AFT Championship Game,

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<v Speaker 2>where they loss to the Bills. You know, Mecklenburg put

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<v Speaker 2>it pretty well. They were there. Elway and Reeves were

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<v Speaker 2>too much the same. They were highly highly competitive. They

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<v Speaker 2>were both extremely stubborn. And you know, and and the

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<v Speaker 2>fact of the matter is the Dan Marinos and the

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<v Speaker 2>and the and the and the Moons, who were throwing

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<v Speaker 2>the ball all over the yard, they weren't going to

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<v Speaker 2>the super Bowl. You had to run the ball and

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<v Speaker 2>play to the defense in order to get to the

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<v Speaker 2>super Bowl. And that's what the Broncos did. And Reeves

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<v Speaker 2>did what was best, and John wanted the ball in

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<v Speaker 2>his hands more so there was some there was some

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<v Speaker 2>conflict there, but uh, they still won a lot of games,

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<v Speaker 2>despite despite the fact that they really couldn't stand each other.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes sometimes that can sometimes that could lead to great results.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, sometimes it takes those personalities like that to

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<v Speaker 3>to get the best out of each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate you joining us The l Way Years Inside

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<v Speaker 3>the Super Bowl Era of the Different Broncos by Mike

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<v Speaker 3>Cliffs Forward by Mike Shannon.

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<v Speaker 1>It's out now, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Want to get your hands on a copy of Mike

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<v Speaker 3>I'm love and reading it and I appreciate you taking

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<v Speaker 3>some time out tonight.

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