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Speaker 1: Welcome back to everyone to a new episode of You

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Were Wrong with Molly Henmingway, editor in chief of The

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Federalist and David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner.

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Just as a reminder, if you'd like to email the show,

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please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. Today, Molly,

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we have to start with someone I did not know

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existed until about twenty four hours ago, Sidney Sweeney or

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I did not know her name, I had never seen

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her anything. But now she's famous.

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Speaker 2: You are so wrong to not know who Sidney Sweeney is.

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I love Sidney Sweeney, but yeah, she's famous. Or everyone's

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talking about her right now because there's this like totally

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obvious but simultaneously brilliant ad campaign where she's she's so

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she's a very hot lady and she's advertising genes for

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American Eagle and everyone's really upset because she is a

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hot lady and it's a total The ad campaign is

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a total rip off of the old Oh, this is

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a very early part of the show for me to

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forget names. Brooke Shields is that who it was?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Brooke Shields did a Calvin Kleine ad that

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was all about evolution and.

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Speaker 1: Jean's and I think it was Jordash or something Jordash

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maybe Calvin Klein.

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Speaker 2: It was okay, And so it's talking about like survival

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of the fittest. And the point is that this gene

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brand is the most fit and it is a super

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awful Like this Sydney Swingey ad campaign is nothing compared

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to that original one because that one was very hot,

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very sexy, a little like risque, and just you were

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dealing with someone who was very talent at pulling it

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all off. Okay, So this one, though, is just her

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in jeens doing different things, talking about how she has

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good genes and so is she talking about her parents

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giving her hotness or is she talking about the genes

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she wants you to buy for American Eagle. H And

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so everyone's freaking out and saying that it is Nazi.

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It escalates very quickly. They're like, well, this is a

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Nazi ad campaign.

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Speaker 1: It's Nazi coded.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think about it?

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Speaker 1: What do I think about it? I saw an MSNBC

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opinion piece that the headline is Sidney Sweeney's American Eagle

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ad shows a cultural shift towards whiteness. So obviously I

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think the main problem for people here after years of

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and listen, there are hot people in all colors and

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all racial makeups, etc. But that she's blonde, probably blue eyed.

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I didn't look at the eyes and hot, right, So

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the problem is she's white. And I think it's more

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that there's been a cultural shift from the beginning of

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time or the beginning of print ads and television that

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women and men like to see hot people they are

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selling stuff, and this to me seems like a return

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to like twenty fifteen, you know where how do I

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say this without insulting you have to put weirdos on

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TV all the time, like you weren't sure were gender

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they were, or they had like piercings everywhere, and they

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had this Actually though it's all sex stuff for sure,

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seems really sort of retro wholesome in a way. I

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don't know if you viewed it that way. She's wearing

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jeans like very Americana. She's talking in a way that

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people used to talk to us when we were young

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in commercials, remember those like Herty's Burger commercials with was

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in them. What was her name, Paris Hilton or whatever.

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I think it was in one of them. Yeah, it's

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just it's this ridiculous woken I feel like we're over

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it though, Like this is the anger is sort of

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coming from one faction of society, not the whole. Did

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you see American Eagles stock just spike after this aired.

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I mean this has been great for their company. I

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hope they don't apologize. I hope she doesn't apologize. I

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don't know enough about her to know.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I have so many thoughts. Okay, so it's not

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just okay. For a long time we have been putting

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ugly people into ads, and then for fashion, we've been

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putting ugly, fat people into ads. And I think the

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idea there is that so many Americans are fat that

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we have to be honest and we have to like

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show what and we have to like be aggressive about it.

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They replaced the idea of beauty in advertising and aspirational beauty,

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like oh if I put these genes on, would men

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like me? Like they like Sidney Sweeney? With oh if

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I put you know, these like fat ugly people and

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so then it's like, oh, that person looks like me,

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and so that's what it would look like on there.

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hatred for the good, the true, and the beautiful, and

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so everything became ugly, and then people started feeling ugly

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about themselves, like they thought they were ugly, and you

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just have like a complete societal breakdown. I'm not saying

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that I think it's great how sexualized some ads have

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been or have gotten or anything like that. But what

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we're really talking about with this Sidney Sweeney thing is

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more beauty than sex appeal, although sex appeal is part

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of that obviously, and she is kind of honestly dressed.

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As you point out, the genes are actually downright baggy.

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And she's the perfect person for this because she's not

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like the hottest woman who ever walked the earth, but

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she's very pretty, and she's got this amazing spirit about

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her that just makes it seem like she likes men

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and that she likes life. And I love that spirit,

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very attracted to that spirit, and so even that for

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a long time, we were taught that everything about the

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so called male gaze, basically the propagation of the species,

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is evil and bad, and so we had to do

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whatever it took to fight it, including putting really ugly

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fat women in advertising, and just speaking that truth that

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we don't exist without male pursuit of beauty is feeling

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very revolutionary at this time. And the other thing I

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thought about is like, why should they even care. It's

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one ad out of the billion that we're subjected to

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where you have a pretty woman. Why is it such

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a big deal that you have one ad with a

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pretty woman? And I think it's because in order to

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run the operation that they were running against humanity, it

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required complete conformity. And so you know, we've talked before

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about Vaslavjavel and the Greengrocer essay, which is a large

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part about the power of a scene dissident to bring

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down an oppressive regime. So like, what you know, it's

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just the emperor has no clothes. One person says, I

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think this is wrong, and it can have outsize power.

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And so one pretty woman and one company showing a

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pretty woman reveals all the rest of the advertising agency

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product to be corrupt and awful. And so I would

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not be surprised if you start seeing other people rediscover

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the idea of putting beauty in ads instead of awfulness

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and wokeness and ugliness and whatever it is. We've been

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subjected to. And then the other thing. So I think

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this is primarily about her being beautiful, and how frustrating

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the left finds it that people could have a beautiful

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woman and talk about her, and then the fact that

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she's not just beautiful, but she's not in a favored group.

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So she's a white woman, which you're not supposed to

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put white people in ads right now, or you can't

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put them in ads and any sort of way that

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would suggest that there are a lot of white people

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in America. So you can you can have like remember

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when we were young and there were the United Colors

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of Benetton ads where they would show people from every

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different culture and the idea was, this is a global

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company taking you know, being inspired by global fashion. And

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also it had this thing like we are very egalitarian,

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and it was one company and that was their stick.

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you can show a white person so long as they're

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married to a black person. My best friend, her mom

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is black and her dad is white. There aren't like

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that many interracial companies in America.

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Speaker 1: But I mean they are sorry couples.

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Speaker 2: Marriages, but like relative to to two black people getting

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married or to white people getting wried. But in advertising,

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I think it's like one hundred person of the couples.

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It's kind of fun.

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Speaker 1: I feel like companies are if we don't do this,

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we're going to get in a lot of trouble. So

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they just automatically do inter racial couples.

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Speaker 2: Now where you see the survey showing that the younger

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you are, the more you think that like literally half

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of the population is gay instead of two percent or whatever.

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And I do think advertising plays a big role in this.

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And also when we were in college, I'm sure you

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took all of those courses on you know, how advertising

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shapes everybody's understanding of everything, And so it became this

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place for people who were pushing an agenda to do

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their work, and agenda has been pushed very well for

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a long time.

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Speaker 1: Well as quickly you said, you know, she was dressed modestly,

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wearing baggy pants. This is just like a little separate thing.

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I think that sometimes people are under the impression that

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some sort of hyper sexualized vision, you know, image is

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the most alluring to men. I don't think that's really true.

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I think this sort of image is far more alluring

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to men, you know what I mean, because you there's

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something left to be seen there, but you get what's

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left to be seen there. And the thing that you

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said about they put a lot of fat people on TV,

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it's true, and I don't want to marginalize. I guess

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you know, people are overweight and there's beauty there as well,

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But I want to marginalize all ordinary people because on TV, right,

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I could see that every day. I mean, we want

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to see models, We want to see people who are

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the ideal and say aspirational that we should look like

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them in some way. There's nothing wrong with that, even

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though we can't do it. But that's always been the way,

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and that's the way of paintings, it's the way of art,

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that's the way, you know, of all kinds of things,

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but ugly. And I'm a fan of a lot of

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modern art, but a lot of discordant things and ugly

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things have made their way into our imagery in a

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sense that and then I think people got confused about

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what was actually beautiful. You know, I don't know if

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that makes sense, but I just I think even us

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talking about this, we're overthinking it away. It's just so

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obvious it's just not they would know how women on

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TV and geans you haven't had blonde hair and be white,

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and they got mad about it. But do you think

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it has the same resonance or the same power where

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the people are as fooled by all this now as

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I just don't think so. I think we're kind of

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Speaker 2: Well, there could be too that thing that it's not

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that people are embracing again the good, the true, and

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the beautiful so much as they're just tired of the

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advertising campaigns that they've had for the last ten years,

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like when they started, and maybe it's more like twenty actually,

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I think is when you know, even you mentioned Hardy's.

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I think the Hardy's decline started more like twenty years ago,

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where they moved away from having beautiful women in ads

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and being really campy about it, and then their company

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also seemed to struggle as a result. But this is

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just seeming to be like revolutionary to people because they

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haven't seen it for such a long time.

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Speaker 1: One thing I am curious about, curious about if they

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will continue this ad campaign, will they walk it back somehow?

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You know what will they do. I don't know. We'll see.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I think there is no way in h e

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double hockey sticks they will walk it back. And it's

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been so successful that I was actually wondering if they

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paid people on the left to freak out about it

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so that it could get even more successful. Like they

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know exactly what they're doing, and I think they're thankfully

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there are a ton of hot women out there in

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the world. Oh, there was one other thing you'd said

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that I was thinking about with. Okay, so God made

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women beautiful all over the earth. We can agree. It's

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kind of the cool thing about women, right, they're really pretty,

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or they can be pretty all over the world. But

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there's also this American thing about it, which is we

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domination in the hot women market, which was this really

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beautiful women who have their own mind but love life

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like a certain joyful spirit and less like stereotypic. Like

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France or something like, a very particular image comes to mind,

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whereas the particular image for an American hot woman was

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very independent, free spirit, fun loving, but the fun loving

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thing I think is very us. There's like a confidence

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you would encounter in your day to day activities. But

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also they were featured in pop culture, and so I

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think it would be cool for America to bring back

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that particular I don't even know if that makes sense

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Speaker 1: Trying it does. There were used to be mass culture

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because there weren't that many choices, But now everything's so adomized.

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and appealing to different sorts of people. So you'll have

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these kinds of ads directed at good Americans and terrible

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ideals of beauty. It's hard for me to believe that

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a lot of those people are considered that, you know,

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represent those ads are considered beautiful because humans are humans.

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But I guess you can convince yourself of anything, right. Still,

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there are ideals, and this actress who now is probably

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going to command a huge salary for whatever she's doing.

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I don't even know what she's in or what she's done.

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Speaker 2: I know she was a Sydney I've seen a Sydney

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Sweeney movie and it was We talked about it on

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the show. She's not the world world's best actress, but

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she's very pretty.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Actually, it's funny that I said that she's giving off

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these American vibes, because there is a thing about her

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look that reminds me of some of those like sixties

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nineteen sixties British models.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean with Twiggy? Yeah? Really, yeah, no,

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those they were very angular compared to her.

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Speaker 2: Now, well, I'm just talking more about like a vibe,

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the facial, the mouth.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about something else that is basically the opposite

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of this, I guess, very unsexy, very Unamerican. Now, let's

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talk about the fact checking business in media, which I

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guess was came into four around the time. I mean,

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the early twenty tens, but really found its footing when

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Donald Trump became president. Glenn Kessler worked for the Washington Post.

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He was their lead fact checker. I forgot what that, Patriots.

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He's the guy came up with Pinocchio's how many Pinocchios

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you get for saying things that are untrue? Has accepted

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a buyout from that paper and is leaving. I would

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say that he was he like I think he called himself,

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or people called him like the dean of fact checkers, right,

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It was kind of he was. He didn't invent he

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might have even invented the term. You know, obviously fact

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checking is as far as a journalistic endeavor. I've always

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despised that because I think journalists should be fact checkers.

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By default. I'm just going to say I've dealt with

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Glenn personally, and he on a personal level is seems

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like a very nice man. But what he did I

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think was incredibly dishonest quite often, and sometimes I wonder

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did he do it on purpose or was it just

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how he saw the world. I don't know, and it

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doesn't really matter to me, but I guess i'd ask,

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do you think fact checking is dead? I mean, what

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did you make of it?

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Speaker 2: So just first off, I think he's called the Dean

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not because he was the first, not because he was

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the quote unquote best, although I guess the Washington Post

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was considered a little less easily dismissed than politi fact

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or something like that. Maybe I don't even know if

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that's true. I think it's that he was nice, just said,

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and all the other people who were doing it were

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like twenty three year old left wingers who were so

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stupid they didn't know how to even make a commencing argument.

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he was treated a little bit differently. And then also

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it was actually that the fact checking started, and Mark

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on this. It started because of the rise of alternative

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sources of media. So when Obama's running for office and

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everyone in the media was acting as part of his campaign,

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but you had people like, oh my gosh, you know what.

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it was because when did John Kerrey.

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Speaker 1: Run two thousand and four?

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Speaker 2: Was that already two thousand and four.

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Speaker 1: I mean they were around in the two thousands. I

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think the Washington Post was.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, John Carey when he runs for office, there

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are these other people who point out his bad Vietnam service,

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which the media had decided that they would not cover

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accurately or honestly, and so people start hungering for these

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other sources of information that they're not getting from left

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wing media and so sorry, my phone is dinging here.

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People were very frustrated that other sources were coming into play.

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thousands in response to the rise of the Internet, and

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they were very frustrated that they weren't able to control

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the complete conversation, and they did it in the frame

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of like, Okay, when we tell you what's up, that's

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the truth. And when other people say what's up, they

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need to be fact checked and we are going to

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effect check them. And from the very beginning, the whole

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process was completely corrupt, meaning, like you point out, isn't

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journalism by definition supposed to be the place that checks

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the facts. And it was the failure of the journalists

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that were leading to these alternate sources of media getting

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the news out. And then also they would do things

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like they would they would fact check a political prediction, so,

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you know, someone to say, if you vote Republican, things

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will be better for you, and then they would fact

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check that is, if you could truly know what the

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future holds under two alternate scenarios, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And.

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Speaker 2: They also had trouble with like take something like someone

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saying President Obama saying, if you like your doctor, you

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can keep your doctor under Obamacare, and the fact checkers

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PolitiFact rated that statement true six times, like six different

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fact checks before eventually calling it their lie of the

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year when they sort of had, you know, when they

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were trying to pretend to be bipartisan, but like in

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the fight when it mattered. They kept saying it was

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a true statement and then after the fact, admitted that

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it was not true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just a couple of things. Obviously, media, all these

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people who are out there with large audiences, they do

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spread sometimes spread things that aren't true. The problem is

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that the legacy media spreads things that aren't true, so

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we can't trust fact checkers. Specifically fact checkers. Well, I

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would say got three of the biggest stories of the

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last decade, if not longer, completely wrong and covered up

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for people it was. One was the Biden mental decline story,

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where they accused people who pointed it out it being liars.

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The COVID stuff, which they were all on board with

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in many different ways, and the Russia collusion hoax stuff,

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so where they called people conspiracy theorists who were just

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pointing out facts. Right, So that's when they were part

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of the cover up. Not even wrong or biased, but

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part of a cover up. Right, And you mentioned some

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of the things they did. I'd written a piece a

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while back on the things that they did that I

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think were more subtle than people realize. So, for instance,

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hyper precision fact checking of every single thing a Republican says, right,

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and then offering a broad picture of the Democrats giving

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the rich context to things that are completely untrue. Then

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they constantly did this. They were fact checking subjective political

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assertions by Republicans. Do what I'm saying, Like, so, if

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a Republican made some political argument like this is an

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urgent national crisis or whatever whatever they're talking about, they'll

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be like, no, actually it's not. That's if you're going

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to be a fact checker at.

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Speaker 2: Least to like statistics one standard, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, or in one standard. And then what was the

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last them, sorry, would say? Then what would they would

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do was fact check Trump on a completely factual statement

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he made by saying that he hadn't given other information

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that helped Democrats do. I mean so like he hadn't

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given in the context that they demanded that he give.

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But they never did that for Democrats obviously, So I

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don't think anyone trusted fact checkers. It became useless. All

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they became was Democrats could take the link from like

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some you know, Washington Post fact check and like stick

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it into your Twitter feed to show you you supposedly

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were wrong. So I'm happy that. I don't know if

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it's over, but I mean, there's that guy Dale his

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first name at CNN who's probably the worst of them,

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but they become useless.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I used to spend a lot of time debunking

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various fact checks and fact checkers, and then they became

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such a joke where everybody knew that they should not

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be trusted, or anyone with a pulse knew that they

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shouldn't be trusted. So I just spent less time reading them.

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But just last week I read Glenn Kessler's fact check

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of the document like an early document release in the

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latest Russia Gate scandal, and his fact check was so

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weak that I think I might have to write up

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a response to it, and so circular he's saying. She

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says it wasn't a good like the quality of the

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Russia Gate investigation, the russiaclusion hopes, like the quality of

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all that stuff wasn't very good. But in fact it

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has been looked at by Bob Bueller and it was good.

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It's like, you get the feeling these people don't even

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know what they're talking about, that it's very that they

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have not done their research. They're just trying to say

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things for political points. And you know, related to that,

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The Washington Post did a lie tracker on President Trump's

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first term. And President Trump, like all other politicians, is

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not known for his veracity. Plus he's hyperbolic and you

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know all that stuff. But they said that he lied,

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like I think it was like a hundred times a

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day we would break down to and almost all of

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the ones that they got him on was him saying

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that the Russia collusion hoax wasn't real and someone was lying,

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and it was the Washington Post which was running that hoax.

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So the quote unquote fact quote unquote checker there just

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completely did not do their real did not do a

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real journalism job. They did a propaganda job, and they

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are good at propaganda. Oh and I do want to

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point out we say nobody takes them seriously. In fact,

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fact checkers were a major component and are continued to

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be a major component of the censorship regime. So let's

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say that you say, well, the CDC wants me to

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tell you that COVID happened because a bat was in

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a soup in a wet market in Wuhan. So you

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regurgitate a lie, you will not be pinged by a

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fact checker. If you say you think the Wuhan Institute

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of Virology might be worth looking at because that's where

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the COVID virus launched, and there's a coronavirus lab there.

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They would rate that four pinocchios four pinocchios, and then

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the four pinocchio standard would mean that anyone who had

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published that type of thing was then unable to get

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advertising revenue forever, like maybe some people had a three

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strikes you're out policy. So let's say that you wrote

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that Brett Kavanaugh that the evidence did not show that

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Brett Kavanaugh was a serial gang rapist, and then you

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also said that the Russia collusion hoax was unsubstantiated, and

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then you said that you thought COVID maybe came from

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a lab that had received US funding. Your publication cannot

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be found. But if you're the wash Can post and

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you perpetuate the lies, you get like a top rating

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from the censorship organizations, and the advertisers will give you

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like the Lexus ads. You know what I'm saying, like

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we shouldn't act, you know, And I know my husband's

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always like Glenn Coesler's a nice guy. Well he's a

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nice guy. That's making it hard for our kids to eat,

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So I don't think that's very nice. But I have

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a different standard, you know, like hurting my ability to

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care for my family, and there's like a person doing it.

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It makes me angry.

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Speaker 1: You're rightfully angry. My I don't want to share the

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you know, off the record conversations, but I think that

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a person who's willing to engage or even though honestly

479
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:42,920
I don't do that, I try to engage people in public.

480
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,960
I think that's where debates need to happen. And I

481
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,640
what I say my self self aggrandizing statement right now,

482
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but what I say in public is what I believe,

483
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and I'm willing to defend that in public. I mean,

484
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I think that's what every journalist should be doing. But

485
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,599
you know, just the willingness to talk about things in

486
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that way whatever it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't erase

487
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,759
the things that he did. And you know, for years

488
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:11,319
we were told misinformation was the most die or threat

489
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to our constitution and to our freedoms and all of

490
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this stuff. And maybe they're right about that, except they

491
00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:20,920
were the they, legacy media were the ones engaged in

492
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,359
it in a way that is far more powerful than

493
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,839
anything some you know alternative site can do you know?

494
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,720
They they we were stuck in the Russia Gates thing

495
00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:35,880
for whatever, Russia coclusion thing for years because of them

496
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,160
over a lie, and they silenced anyone who tried to

497
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push back.

498
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Speaker 2: And like the Biden dementia thing, there were there was

499
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a small group of us that looked at the evidence

500
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and were able to report accurately in real time that

501
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:56,279
it was a lie that Biden appeared to be having decline,

502
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that there were legitimate questions about COVID's launch, like we were,

503
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:05,599
there were. It wasn't like everybody struggled, but those of

504
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,480
us who were reporting accurately and honestly were persecuted by

505
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:12,759
these people. And the persecution is ongoing because once you're

506
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:16,200
like in the system, as someone who deviates from the

507
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,240
government narrative, you're in there forever like there's no coming

508
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:22,000
out of it. And so even if he's retiring the

509
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:26,599
effects of what he did against freedom of expression and

510
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,000
free debate they are ongoing, and so there's not enough

511
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:33,400
reason to celebrate just because he's retiring.

512
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Speaker 1: And you get on something important. I think the if

513
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you are a fact checker and you say, listen, there

514
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,960
was no evidence that this thing. You know, there's no

515
00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:44,440
evidence that this thing came from a lab yet, right

516
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,519
or there, And it may well have jumped from some

517
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,480
animal in a market or whatever. I don't know. I

518
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,640
don't know science, right, who knows. That's one thing. But

519
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:55,279
to say that now, saying that it might have come

520
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:59,799
from a lab is disinformation, misinformation racist. Now you're in

521
00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:02,720
case something very different because, for instance, I wrote about

522
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,920
the Epstein file the other you know week, and I

523
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,920
wrote that we have no evidence for a B and C.

524
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:09,519
That doesn't mean that it couldn't pop up. It doesn't

525
00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:11,000
mean we shouldn't debate it, does it if you want

526
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to bring in or bring it up. I mean, that's

527
00:30:13,559 --> 00:30:17,119
one thing. The second thing is, yeah, so you think

528
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about that and then think about what they did with Biden.

529
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,519
I it sounds like hyperbole, but I think the Biden

530
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:26,000
cover up of his cognitive state was one of the

531
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biggest uh scandals in presidential history. You had a guy

532
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who could not do his job running the country and

533
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,960
they participated in this knowingly. So that is not fact checking.

534
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,160
Oh yeah, that's what I want to say. I'm all

535
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over the place. If you have a fact checking outfitting.

536
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:45,640
Glen Kstler is on there constantly hyper you know, pedantically

537
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,839
fact checking everything Republicans say. Hire a conservative to do

538
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,200
the same thing to Democrats at least, right, have a

539
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,200
person on there pedantically fact checking everything Democrats are saying,

540
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then you have a whole you know, then it's a

541
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true fact checking organization in a sense. No, not one

542
00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:04,000
of these organizations did that. And occasionally they throw a

543
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,400
bone to you and like do some fact check on

544
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,759
Democrats That was like so mild and so you know

545
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:12,480
what I mean, just to pretend that they are. It's

546
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:15,000
like when I was on an editorial board, occasionally we'd

547
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:18,240
like endorse some Republican in like a city council race

548
00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:21,839
or something, and pretend that we were even handed, you know, more.

549
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Speaker 2: Like I pointed out with the Barack Obama thing when

550
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it actually mattered, right, or when they were defending him.

551
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And then once everything, all the damage was done and

552
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,559
there was nothing you could do, they were like, oh,

553
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,880
did we lie on behalf of someone else who was lying?

554
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:41,319
Speaker 1: Websie So speaking about if we can move on a

555
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,720
media manipulation and propagandistic efforts, if that's how you say

556
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,720
that word, let's say about the New York Times, to

557
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:50,240
think is obviously one of the worst and has been forever,

558
00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:54,839
but probably worse than ever last week, and CNM was

559
00:31:54,839 --> 00:31:56,119
part of this as well. I just want to make

560
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sure that we mentioned that they published a picture of

561
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a starving Palestine child. I think his name was Mohammed

562
00:32:03,319 --> 00:32:06,039
Matowac or something of that nature. I'm not mispronouncing it

563
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:08,279
on purpose. A gods and child, you know who is

564
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like you could see his spine. He had been completely

565
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:14,240
you know, he was in malnutrition because of starvation that

566
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the Israelis had deliberately inflicted in their genocidal aims and

567
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,079
the Palestinian people there. Well, it turned out that I

568
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:25,039
initially thought that the boy had cystic fibrosis, but it

569
00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:28,880
may have been cerebral palsy. And they published this piece.

570
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I think it was on the front page, but I'm

571
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,519
not one hundred percent sure of that because I don't

572
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:41,559
get the physical York Times, and it was a horrifying

573
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picture in that context, and it was everywhere. Well, I

574
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,559
jumped the gun. I guess it turned out that he

575
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wasn't starving. His brother was in that picture to the side,

576
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:59,400
fully healthy, cropped out of the picture to create this,

577
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:05,640
to create this image, this powerful image that I'm sorry,

578
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,519
you know, has helped, you know, fuel anti semitism in

579
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:13,480
this country. It's that's simple to blood libel. But so

580
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they corrected it yesterday. And when I say corrected it,

581
00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:18,440
they barely.

582
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Speaker 2: Had a mealy mouthed correction.

583
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had some pre existing health problems. You know,

584
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we put ourselves at personal risk to report. They were

585
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the heroes of this story. And they sent it out

586
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on their pr PR Twitter account, which has forty thousand

587
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:38,799
something followers, not their regular account where they had the

588
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:42,559
original picture, which has fifty five million followers. You tell

589
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:44,359
me they didn't do this on purpose. They did it

590
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,079
on purpose, and this whole genocide. Listen, there are problems

591
00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:51,480
in Gaza with getting people food. I'm not denying that.

592
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:53,960
I don't think there's starvation yet, but or I don't

593
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,799
think there will be. It's just it makes me so angry.

594
00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:00,000
I can't even tell you. I mean, and this goes

595
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,839
on and on. This has been going on forever there

596
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:05,640
in different ways, but now it is at a dangerous

597
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,119
level here in the United States, and you know, I

598
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:10,079
don't even know what can be done anymore. The Times

599
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:12,840
has Times is one of the successful newspapers that are

600
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,039
left and has a lot of people reading it and

601
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:16,440
a lot of people following it.

602
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Speaker 2: So I don't know, Well, the thing that you noted,

603
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which is the photo for publication was cropped to exclude

604
00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:29,639
the evidence in the photo that didn't tell the story

605
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:35,599
they wanted to tell. It is very difficult to interpret

606
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:42,239
this journalistic story as anything other than showing that there

607
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:47,199
was malice in how they reported it, because if you

608
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,400
have evidence that goes against what you're trying to say.

609
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,519
So if they're trying to do a story about how

610
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:57,679
Israel is evil and children babies are starving because of

611
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,400
how evil Israel is evidence that contradicts that, and you

612
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,679
don't consider it and you don't let the reader see that,

613
00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:09,360
that is a huge problem. And then also, as someone

614
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,639
was pointing out on Twitter today, it is not that

615
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:16,039
people think that journalists can't make mistakes. They're human and

616
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:20,480
anyone can make mistakes. It's that the mistakes supposedly mistakes.

617
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,960
I don't think this is a mistake. I think this,

618
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,000
like I just said, it's wilful. They always go in

619
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:28,920
one direction on different stories, but like always in the

620
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,719
same direction and.

621
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Speaker 1: You remember every story on Russia collusion that had to

622
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,719
be corrected skewed in one direction, every story on Kavanaugh

623
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,159
skewed in one direction, etc. There is almost never a

624
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,639
correction that ever they have to correct something like that

625
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:46,199
is anti Hamas, that is anti Republican.

626
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 2: It's soever we talked about this last week. But I

627
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:56,559
think that this type of behavior runs the risk of

628
00:35:56,599 --> 00:36:02,840
destroying press freedoms writ large, because when you don't you know,

629
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,119
it's like how the biggest threats to Second Amendment rights

630
00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:11,159
happen when there's a mass shooting, right when someone's irresponsible

631
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,039
with something is when people start thinking about constraining that.

632
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,159
But the media are acting like that because they claim

633
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:25,840
themselves to be journalists, they can participate in crimes or

634
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:30,480
in really bad actions that can lead to horrific consequences

635
00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:33,039
in war, you know, and this is not the first

636
00:36:33,079 --> 00:36:36,079
time in even just this war that they have done

637
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:40,119
stuff like this. There are other examples since October seventh,

638
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,960
twenty twenty three, and it affects. It's like you heard,

639
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,679
you know, Trump has repeatedly said like you can't look

640
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:54,400
at these images and not feel something, right, So you

641
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,239
have the president of the United States reacting to this

642
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:02,920
false picture, and obviously a lot of the global pressure

643
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,719
with other people comes into play too, although they might

644
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,280
just be pro Palestinian no matter what was going on

645
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,159
in the media. Huh.

646
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean you have so I see polls

647
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,920
that show that, you know, there's less sport for Israel.

648
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,360
I mean, it just is what it is, not among

649
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,760
Republicans as much as others. And that's fine, it is

650
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,840
what it is. But I mean the numbers are actually

651
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,079
pretty impressive for Israel, considering you have the entire legacy

652
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:32,480
media old media going after them in this kind of way.

653
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:36,079
You have Quitar dropping billions of dollars into the into

654
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,760
college as all higher learning is this way. You have

655
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,719
these massive influencers all over the place engaging in this.

656
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,239
You have TikTok, which is like a place but the

657
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,320
chi cooms. For some reason, that site has the most

658
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,199
anti Semitic and anti Israel stuff going on. I mean,

659
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,639
I don't really know how you fight it, because you

660
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:56,440
can debunk something like this and no one will care.

661
00:37:56,519 --> 00:37:59,000
If someone told me, well, oh it's okay to starve

662
00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:04,320
someone with cerebral paul, you know, they'll ignore the you

663
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,800
know what, happened and just go back on points. So

664
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,760
I don't know, It's just it's it's overwhelming and I'm

665
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,119
not really sure how you can fight back if you're

666
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,039
you know. And again I'm not saying Israel's perfect in

667
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:17,719
all it's doing. I wish they had wrapped this thing

668
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,360
in GZ up already. It's really hurting them as far

669
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,239
as like the pr of it goes. I mean, they're

670
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,679
trying to eliminate Hamas. I either you do it or

671
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:28,760
you don't, and it's very difficult, not difficult. I don't.

672
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,840
I can't think of another and I can't think of

673
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,960
a historical analogy where a nation fighting a war has

674
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,320
to both save and feed the civilian population while trying

675
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,519
to root out an army that hides within the civilian population.

676
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Speaker 2: There are people, Okay, So let me first off say

677
00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:48,599
that I'm not even a Zionist, right, so I'm not

678
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:50,920
like where a lot of Americans are, where they have

679
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:54,280
days in my view like kind of radical ideas about Israel.

680
00:38:56,559 --> 00:39:03,800
I am horrified by the plight of Palestinian Palestinians in

681
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,440
the Gaza strip. I hate to see starvation, Like I'm

682
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,320
actually like right there with everyone. What I don't get

683
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,119
is not with everyone. I'm not making sense here. But

684
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:18,880
what I don't get is if Hamas wants this to stop,

685
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:23,239
why haven't they returned to all the hostages and why

686
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,800
didn't they do it like a year and a half ago.

687
00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:28,280
It is very hard to take people seriously when the

688
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,239
one thing that they could have done and could still do,

689
00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:34,079
they refuse to do. Like is it working out for

690
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:38,840
them to keep holding innocent Israeli's hostage? Why is there

691
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,079
not massive pressure every day from every corner of the

692
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:47,199
earth to get every single hostage or their body released

693
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,599
back to Israel. And when they're not doing it, it's like, well, okay,

694
00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:52,239
so you want me to believe that you're all starving,

695
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,800
but you're also not willing to do the one thing,

696
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:59,199
the one thing that everyone kind of agrees might change

697
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:01,280
things here? Am I crazy?

698
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: Well, you have it slightly wrong. It is working out

699
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,519
for Hamas. They want martyrs, They want people to suffer

700
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:12,119
as a way to manipulate the West to get a state,

701
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,880
and France and Britain now will say Israel has to

702
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:20,960
give Palestinians a state where we'll recognize that one exists.

703
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:24,519
Not one word in those not one word there is

704
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,840
directed at Hamas in the sense of saying we're Palestinians,

705
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,679
in sense of saying you need to do AB and C.

706
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,719
It's just Israel that needs to do a B and C.

707
00:40:33,559 --> 00:40:35,440
And you know, I don't want to get into all

708
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,360
the history of it, but it's not going to work

709
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:39,480
because you can't have a Palestinian state.

710
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 2: And also just reject this idea that so sometimes people

711
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,079
think that the humane thing to do is to engage

712
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:48,679
in a twenty five year war and occupation of another

713
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,079
people when they do something really horrific. So you know,

714
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,519
you look at what happened in Afghanistan. They harbored terrorists

715
00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:58,280
who attacked our country, and then we gave like a

716
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:03,599
twenty year mission of funding their country, yes immediately in

717
00:41:03,639 --> 00:41:07,320
the aftermath defeating the bad guys, but then staying there

718
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,519
for a really long time. And I don't actually know

719
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:12,320
if that was more humane in the long run than

720
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,159
if we had just bombed the country to the point

721
00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:19,199
that they that the entire world understood that if you

722
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,320
harbor terrorists against America, it will be very very bad

723
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,880
for you. And then every country in the region would

724
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,760
have gotten that idea and would have led to more

725
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,840
self policing than America policing. And then likewise, I don't

726
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,440
know if I agree that the way to respond to

727
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:41,159
the horrific massacre of innocence on October seventh is to

728
00:41:41,199 --> 00:41:46,280
help a country or help help the people continue on

729
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,599
like their need, the need. It's to me so obvious

730
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:55,039
that you can't have that happening ever in the future,

731
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,920
that type of attack funded and organized by Iron and

732
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:05,159
helped by all the proxy and murdering twelve hundred Israelis.

733
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:08,519
Speaker 1: And don't forget the constant missile barrage is since like

734
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:13,039
twenty twelve at Israeli cities and civilians, which no other

735
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:15,639
country on Earth would allow it to happen without some

736
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:16,519
kind of reaction.

737
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 4: I think, unless you're going to do that and truly defeat,

738
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,760
you know, vanquish Israel, it's not even that surprising that

739
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,280
there would be this type of response.

740
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: Well, people have a distorted outlook on this. Just quickly

741
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,599
to say that Israel has zero interest in occupying Gaza.

742
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,280
It gave Gaza over to the Arabs, It never had

743
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,719
any designs on Gaza in the first place. The idea

744
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,719
that they want to occupy that place is nuts. It

745
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,960
only puts their people in danger constantly. No one else

746
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,760
will take care of it, and you can't allow this

747
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,639
to exist in this way. But also there is no

748
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,920
starvation in Gaza. There is. There are problems with delivering food.

749
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,840
That exists because the UN allowed Hamas to make billions

750
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,400
of dollars over or at least hundreds of millions, at

751
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,400
least five hundred million I've seen off of selling and

752
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,280
controlling supplies and food. So Israel said, we have to

753
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,800
take care of this, and the UN will not do

754
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,360
it in the way that Israel wants to do it,

755
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,960
where Hamas doesn't get their hands on it. It's very simple.

756
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,079
Now they're just airlifting and throwing in food. They're not

757
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:24,880
going to let the people there starve. This is just

758
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,760
a propaganda effort. And another thing, the just quick thing

759
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,320
France and England say, or Britain say, Israel has to

760
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,320
agree to a ceasefire. Israel's agreed to like one hundred ceasefires.

761
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,800
There was a ceasefire in October seventh eighth, like sixth like.

762
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,559
There is there is nothing more they can do. Hamas

763
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:46,079
will not agree to a cease fight. Now you're incentivizing

764
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:48,599
them to hold out. They'll September when they'll be when

765
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:52,239
Britain will recognize the state for Amas for doing for

766
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:59,960
killing over one thousand innocent people. Right. So, last week

767
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:06,079
after we taped Molly, the House Permanent Select Commitee on

768
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:09,239
Intelligence released a new report on the Russia collusion hoax.

769
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,119
And you reported on as Telslo about it.

770
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:16,039
Speaker 2: So actually that's not quite what happened. It was a

771
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:19,239
release of a report from the House Permanent Select Committee

772
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,920
on Intelligence, but they didn't release it. They wrote it

773
00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:26,639
in twenty seventeen, or maybe it was twenty eighteen, but

774
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,880
then it had been kept hidden in a vault for

775
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,440
the entire time since then, and it was finally released

776
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,440
by d and I Tulci Gabbard last week. People had

777
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:41,400
talked about this report. We knew it existed, but it

778
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:44,639
was kept so hidden. I mean there were only a

779
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,039
tiny handful of copies made, and Hipsy itself, the committee

780
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:52,679
itself didn't have a copy of the report because it

781
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,840
was so classified. So it finally gets released, and I

782
00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:00,920
mean it is as someone who was on committee said

783
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,440
to me, like, so we didn't oversell it, did we,

784
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,239
you know, because they would say like it's it's really

785
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,760
something you want to get your hands on and what

786
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,800
the report showed. Okay, so we always knew about this

787
00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:17,000
Steele dossier, right, that's the concocted dossier that alleges all

788
00:45:17,039 --> 00:45:19,079
sorts of crazy stuff that Trump is doing, and that

789
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:22,079
had been kind of in public for many, many years.

790
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,800
But John Brennan, who was Obama's CIA director, said that

791
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,840
he didn't even see the dossier until December of twenty sixteen.

792
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,079
But we knew that he had been running around Capitol

793
00:45:33,159 --> 00:45:37,639
Hill and elsewhere in August and September of twenty sixteen

794
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:43,559
claiming that he had explosive evidence that Putin was interfering

795
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:46,440
in the election to help Trump. And he kept saying,

796
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:50,480
I'm not saying this because of the dossier, so hey, yeah,

797
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:53,639
of course he could be lying, right, But a lot

798
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:56,360
of us were wondering, well, what is it? What is

799
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:02,400
this supposedly explosive supposed evidence of Putin trying to help Trump?

800
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:07,719
The Hipsy report reveals what it is. And it's amazing

801
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,639
because there are there are three things that he cites,

802
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,280
and he also cites the Steele dossier, by the way,

803
00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:21,360
and the three things are even stupider than the Steele dossier,

804
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:26,000
and we had not known about it until last week.

805
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,360
So the three things are okay. The main thing is

806
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:35,800
this fragment of a sentence from a source who didn't

807
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,960
know Putin, but he worked for someone who did work

808
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,760
for Putin, and so he was considered like, that's actually

809
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,079
a pretty good source an intel world. One of the

810
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:47,840
things you learn when you're covering this story is that

811
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,320
what's considered good intelligence is what you or I would

812
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,679
called called third hand information. And you and I know

813
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,159
that third hand information can be extremely you know how

814
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,280
many problems with it, ranging from it completely not being

815
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,480
true to just not understanding the nuance of something or

816
00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:09,639
not understanding the context. Right, Okay, So this third hand

817
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:14,639
fragment of a sentence that we based the entire Russia

818
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:18,639
collusion Hoaks on, was supposedly Putin said at the end

819
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:23,119
of June or early July twenty sixteen that he was

820
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:28,280
counting on Trump winning. It's a fragment of a sentence,

821
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:33,760
and the Hipsy report notes that five people looked at

822
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:38,320
this this piece of intel, and they had five different

823
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,199
interpretations on it. It's so ambiguous what it means. I'll

824
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:45,719
just go further Brennan was personally controlling this source. He

825
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,840
didn't even like have it be written down until mid

826
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,239
December twenty sixteen. So we've got his recollection of what

827
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,039
he might have been told six months prior, and then

828
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:58,920
when people look at it, they get five different interpretations.

829
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:04,320
And I'll just say, to me, it seems well. Let's

830
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,159
also know it doesn't say he prefers Trump winning. It

831
00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:12,239
doesn't say he's intervening to help Trump win. But also

832
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,920
if you put it in context, like where were we

833
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:18,599
at the end of June or early July twenty sixteen,

834
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,920
do you remember where we were in the political environment

835
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:24,400
for the presidential race?

836
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: Mass paranoia in hysteria.

837
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 2: Well kind of, but I just mean we hadn't had

838
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,199
the Republican nominating convention yet that would happen a couple

839
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,679
weeks later, and there were many people trying to keep

840
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,519
Trump from securing the nomination, like he technically had the votes,

841
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,039
but the entire establishment was working to prevent him from

842
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:53,880
coming out of the convention with the win. So if

843
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:57,559
at that moment in time, that you've got massive campaigns

844
00:48:57,599 --> 00:49:00,199
to keep Trump from coming out of the convention the

845
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,920
nominee and supposedly you have a third hand fragment of

846
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,760
a sentence of Putin saying he's counting on Trump winning.

847
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,480
Do you think they're talking about the general election that

848
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:12,880
would be held many months later, or do you think

849
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,159
they're talking about the Republican convention, you know what I mean,

850
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,159
like the idea that you And then also if he's

851
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:21,079
saying like I think he's going to pull out a

852
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:23,880
win here even though there are people fighting, that doesn't

853
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,079
mean he prefers it. It doesn't mean he's working to

854
00:49:26,119 --> 00:49:27,679
help it, like none of it. Right.

855
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: Well, and the other candidates were hawks more powkisha, I

856
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,280
know you don't like that word. Again, you know, as

857
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,239
far as Russia is concerned.

858
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,119
Speaker 2: Right exactly, Yeah, No, there were much more than Trump

859
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:41,199
wanted to take on China, and he had the approach

860
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,760
of the Kissingerian approach of you can't take on China

861
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,760
and Russia at the same time, so you cozy up

862
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,920
to one while you're going after the other, and vice versa,

863
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,800
and that was very threatening to a lot of people

864
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:58,599
in DC. But anyway, so that's the first thing. The

865
00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:04,239
second thing is a claim that Russia always prefers Republicans,

866
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:08,159
which is not even true. And they say the reason

867
00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:12,480
why Russia always prefers Republicans is because democrats are focused

868
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,840
on democracy. And as the Hipsie report points out, like

869
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:19,360
that's a really great point if you forget that Ronald

870
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,800
Reagan's most famous speech included the line tear down this wall,

871
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:28,840
and George W. Bush ran entire wars to implement democracy abroad, right, Like,

872
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,920
it's not even accurate, and.

873
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,079
Speaker 1: Even the first part of that is not accurate. And

874
00:50:33,159 --> 00:50:36,719
the whole Romney Obama race, so Obama made fun of

875
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,440
him for treating Russia like an enemy.

876
00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: Okay. The third item is an unsigned email that apparently

877
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:49,440
was sent to someone in Ukraine that was like an

878
00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:55,360
idea from someone that the Trump that Russians should try

879
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,559
to reach out to the Trump campaign just in case

880
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:06,440
he wins. Again, not showing preference, not showing anything. The

881
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,239
fourth thing is the Steele dossier. So the entire Russia

882
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,159
collusion hoax was based on things that weren't even true.

883
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,760
Then the Hipsie report shows that it ignores all sorts

884
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:25,119
of evidence to the contrary. So when the Obama team

885
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,360
launches the Russia collusion hoax we talked about this last week,

886
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:33,000
they suppress the real Presidential Daily Brief showing that Russia's

887
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,840
efforts to meddle had no effect and they weren't designed

888
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,000
for anything other than chaos. Right, So that's what the

889
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:42,440
real intelligence says. They hide that report because they knew

890
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,599
that report would go to Trump and flann. They decided

891
00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:50,039
to put together an analysis of Russian interference, and they're

892
00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:52,920
supposed to put everything in there, but they don't. They

893
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:57,280
put out they refuse to put in the avalanche of

894
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:02,480
information that they have on Trump and Clinton, right, and

895
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:05,519
they just make it about I'm sorry about Russia and Clinton,

896
00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:08,079
and they make it just about Russia and Trump. But

897
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,159
that night they start leaking to the Washington Post and

898
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,440
the New York Times. To the Washington Post, they falsely

899
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:19,559
leak that the CIA has conclusively determined that Putin's trying

900
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:22,960
Putin's intervention was because he wanted to help Trump. That

901
00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:25,039
was a lie. It was also a lie that they'd

902
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:27,840
conclusively determined it. And we go on to find out that,

903
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,320
in fact, a ton of analysts and senior officials were

904
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,880
screaming from the rooftops not to say that because it

905
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,039
wasn't true. To the New York Times, they say the

906
00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:45,159
reason why we have this belief is because Russia hacked Trump,

907
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:50,280
got negative information and didn't release it. And not only

908
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,480
is none of that true, the opposite is true. They

909
00:52:54,679 --> 00:52:59,840
hack Hillary, learn all sorts of horrific things about what

910
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:03,519
the Russians sorry about her, and they don't release it.

911
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,920
So if the basis for saying putin preferred Trump is

912
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,400
something that didn't happen, but it did happen to Hillary,

913
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,880
it just further shows you mean that.

914
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,639
Speaker 1: When you say they hacked Hillary, you mean put the

915
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:14,679
Podesta emails.

916
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 2: So there's actually there's actually multiple things going on. So

917
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,159
and the Hipsie Report gets into this in large part

918
00:53:23,159 --> 00:53:26,039
because Hillary Clinton was a very big figure for a

919
00:53:26,159 --> 00:53:30,519
very long period of time, they were targeting her communications

920
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:37,960
and had multiple ways in and they totally separate from Podesta,

921
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:41,199
they had access to some other I think maybe even

922
00:53:41,199 --> 00:53:44,800
to her. I don't actually remember. I don't want to

923
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,119
speak about it because I can't remember exactly what they had.

924
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:51,679
Speaker 1: I remember there was a report about her server where

925
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,159
I forget who, but maybe some intelligence agency said that

926
00:53:55,199 --> 00:54:00,960
it was very likely that foreign nations had hacked her

927
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,119
her phones and so forth, And I wonder if Russia

928
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:04,639
is one of them.

929
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,559
Speaker 2: Okay, I think this is a reference to how I

930
00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:13,239
think it was the Danish. The Danish had insight into

931
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,920
what Russia had on the US and one of the things,

932
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:24,559
and they actually get alarmed and they tell Brennan about it.

933
00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:27,880
And one of the things they have is that Russia

934
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,400
knows that the Attorney General is communicating with the Clinton

935
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:36,880
campaign about her server hack. They know other embarrassing Oh

936
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,519
they know, oh so sorry.

937
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:39,599
Speaker 4: They know.

938
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 2: The Danish know that Russia knows about the Russia collusion

939
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:48,239
hoax itself. They know that there's a plot that she

940
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,840
signed off on to make it seem like Trump is

941
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:56,119
colluding with Russia. Now, Brennan learns this in late July

942
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:02,880
twenty sixteen, right the the people tell him, and he

943
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:08,760
calls someone in Russian intelligence domestic intelligence oddly enough, and

944
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,440
tells them to quote knock it off, knock off what

945
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,079
they're doing. That's how he's always told the story. Immediately

946
00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:21,199
after he calls this contact in Russia and supposedly tells

947
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:29,840
them to knock off their election medaling, Russia stops communicating

948
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:36,079
in a way that the Danes can pick up. Interesting

949
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:39,840
right now, So it sounds like if I were an investigator,

950
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,840
I would look into whether that phone call was actually

951
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,079
about letting them know that other people were seeing what

952
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:48,320
they were saying so that they would stop saying it.

953
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:53,199
Speaker 1: So just a few broad things here. So it's not

954
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:58,280
implausible that Russia would prefer Trump to Hillary. Right, hamas preferred,

955
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,239
and Iran and China prefer or Hillary probably were Democrats

956
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:07,920
in general, but they almost surely didn't think he would win,

957
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,199
I expect because no one really thought he would win

958
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:11,239
other than him. Right.

959
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So on that note, you are totally correct that

960
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,519
it's not implausible that they might prefer Trump.

961
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:23,159
Speaker 1: And the point of that is, so what meaning, what

962
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,159
is Trump supposed to do about that? Yeah?

963
00:56:25,199 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 2: Sure. However, the Hipsy report also shows that they had

964
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,559
a ton of intelligence, like a ton, including some from

965
00:56:33,639 --> 00:56:36,360
the very same source that they built that like the

966
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,719
fragment of the sense that Putin had repeatedly said that

967
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,199
he had no preference to his advisors, that they felt

968
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,800
that they were well positioned no matter if Hillary won

969
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:51,280
or Trump won. They also, I want to point out,

970
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:56,480
they say that the false Icy report says that they

971
00:56:56,559 --> 00:57:01,920
never gave up hope that Clinton might lose. Right. Well,

972
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,880
in the final days of the campaign, She's up only

973
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:09,119
like one and a half points, right, She was very vulnerable,

974
00:57:09,639 --> 00:57:12,360
and they want us to believe that they never gave

975
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,360
up hope she could lose. That they had negative information

976
00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:18,039
on Trump that they chose not to release, which is

977
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:19,960
just not true, by the way, and that they didn't

978
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,920
deploy it, really really like that doesn't even make sense.

979
00:57:24,039 --> 00:57:26,039
So it's not implausible, but it turns out not to

980
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:30,440
be true. Every piece of intelligence suggests that he absolutely

981
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,719
did not care and felt well positioned either way. Now

982
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,239
knowing that they had embarrassing information on Hillary Clinton that

983
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,000
they didn't deploy, I will just point out that a

984
00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:45,920
like even the most basic analyst would hear that and

985
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,679
think they didn't deploy it during the campaign when it

986
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:52,519
would have been useful for defeating her because they assumed

987
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:54,840
she would win and it would be more valuable after

988
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,800
the fact. So to do an intelligence analysis with like

989
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,599
little snippets of things here and there, you have to

990
00:58:00,639 --> 00:58:03,760
include everything, and you have to think about the different

991
00:58:04,639 --> 00:58:07,119
ways you could interpret things they didn't do. That they

992
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:11,400
had a ton of information confirming what their intel had

993
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,280
always said. Russia's attempts to meddle are about sowing chaos,

994
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:19,519
not about getting Hillary or getting Trump, but just sewing chaos.

995
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,480
They excluded all of that information and replaced it with

996
00:58:22,639 --> 00:58:25,280
completely made up stuff. So this stuff is to me

997
00:58:25,639 --> 00:58:29,079
absolutely explosive, and it answers a question I've had for

998
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:31,599
a long time, like, if you believe Brennan was not

999
00:58:31,679 --> 00:58:34,239
basing this on the dossier, what was he basing it

1000
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,000
on And finding out what it was and how weak

1001
00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:38,559
it is is like, oh, wow, this was even worse

1002
00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:39,960
than we thought.

1003
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: Just a quick addendum, if Russia had this information on

1004
00:58:43,559 --> 00:58:45,239
Hillary and they didn't want to release it during the

1005
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,559
campaign because they it would be more useful later, or

1006
00:58:48,639 --> 00:58:51,159
because they didn't want to piss off someone who's going

1007
00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:53,000
to be president and they'd have to deal with by

1008
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:57,199
doing it right, it would be such an obvious interference

1009
00:58:57,199 --> 00:59:00,280
in the election, which means that they were more I

1010
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,639
get to use the word judicious about what they were doing, but.

1011
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,559
Speaker 2: Well, it's not even It just means that that what

1012
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:07,800
we've always kind of thought, that they don't like us,

1013
00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:11,039
all of us, whether we're Democrat or Republican, and they

1014
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:13,000
want to cause the most chaos.

1015
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: But there was this, there was this idea that Russia

1016
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:21,280
likes Trump better and that that makes Trump not just seditious,

1017
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,039
but you know he you know, our enemies like him.

1018
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:28,119
But no one ever mentions that. I am sure that Iran,

1019
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,639
for instance, which has actually killed Americans, many of them

1020
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:37,000
wanted Hillary. Does that not? Is that not the same thing? Yes, exactly,

1021
00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:40,400
there's no collusion. That the collusion was the next step

1022
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,760
that there was never any even a hint of evidence

1023
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,599
for like, you know, the thing they used against Trump

1024
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:46,840
was when someone asked him that dumb question about the

1025
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,599
hacked emails and would you want Russian help? And he said,

1026
00:59:50,639 --> 00:59:52,440
I forgot what he said. He joked around about you

1027
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:53,079
if they like.

1028
00:59:53,039 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 2: If they have them, they should release them or whatever.

1029
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, which isn't a great joke for a presidential candidate

1030
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,679
to make. But you know, with whatever it is, it's

1031
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:03,320
how we learn now that Trump speaks and it is

1032
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,559
what it is, is me he's colluding with anyone.

1033
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 2: Also, that was about her deleting her emails to keep

1034
01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:13,199
them from being out there, and also about how other

1035
01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:15,519
countries did have access to it, all of which turns

1036
01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:19,039
out to be true. Anyway, I want to add one

1037
01:00:19,039 --> 01:00:23,239
more thing. I know a lot about the Russia colusion hopes,

1038
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,119
and what has happened in the last week has absolutely

1039
01:00:26,119 --> 01:00:29,280
blown me away. And so I find it very weird

1040
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,920
to see like what seems to be an organized campaign

1041
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,199
to claim that we already knew this. I have spoken

1042
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,239
with you know, those of us who were in on

1043
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,559
it from the beginning, aren't that many. And when this

1044
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:46,320
came out, you know, we all were talking, and every

1045
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:51,119
single last person who's like a Russia collusion person like

1046
01:00:51,159 --> 01:00:54,599
I am, we were just shocked. We'd always wanted to

1047
01:00:54,599 --> 01:00:57,320
find out what Brennan's basis was, we never knew it,

1048
01:00:57,519 --> 01:00:59,440
and now we know it. And so when people go

1049
01:00:59,519 --> 01:01:02,119
we already knew this, that's a lie, and it's a

1050
01:01:02,159 --> 01:01:05,599
suspicious lie. And I'm wondering why you're seeing some people,

1051
01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:08,239
including some people on the right, saying it's a lie.

1052
01:01:08,239 --> 01:01:11,400
And I just want to keep going here, which is

1053
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,599
I told you that there were only like five copies

1054
01:01:14,639 --> 01:01:16,519
of this hipsy report and that it was kept in

1055
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:21,360
a vault. I'll first off point out a point of comparison,

1056
01:01:22,519 --> 01:01:27,320
there were two hundred and fifty copies at least of

1057
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:32,800
the false intelligence analysis that were handed out to like

1058
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,119
candy to everyone in Washington, DC, so.

1059
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: The ones Brennan, the one Brennan show, the one Brennan

1060
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:39,800
showed Obama.

1061
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:44,119
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, two hundred and fifty copies they go to everyone.

1062
01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:47,800
There are five copies of the Hipsy report, and not

1063
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,719
even Hipsie gets to keep its own copy. They're kept

1064
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:55,119
in a vault. But there were probably briefings of this

1065
01:01:55,519 --> 01:01:59,679
too a few people, and then during the end of

1066
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:03,480
the first Trump administration there was probably pressure to release

1067
01:02:03,519 --> 01:02:07,440
this and so there might be a few people who

1068
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:13,239
are Republican affiliated or who maybe like let's say, the

1069
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,559
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence gets a briefing on this report.

1070
01:02:18,159 --> 01:02:21,159
There are a few people who knew this information and

1071
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,719
also conspired to keep it hidden, and they are probably

1072
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,559
Republican or Republican aligned, and they might be involved in

1073
01:02:28,639 --> 01:02:32,119
trying to tell everyone that this story is not new

1074
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,360
or no big deal, so that they will not be

1075
01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:40,800
held accountable for their participation in keeping this information from

1076
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,039
being released to the American public. And it's a bad

1077
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:46,719
thing because had this information been released at the time

1078
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,840
Hipsey wrote this report, that was so within the statute

1079
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,119
of limitations that you could have wrung up everybody, and

1080
01:02:54,199 --> 01:02:57,119
so conspiring to suppress it so that justice will not

1081
01:02:57,159 --> 01:03:01,440
be enacted. Makes them look very bad. Name names. There

1082
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,519
are some names of people who appeared to have been

1083
01:03:04,719 --> 01:03:10,360
involved in conspiring to keep this information hidden until they felt,

1084
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,239
you know, at least during a time when it would

1085
01:03:13,239 --> 01:03:15,400
have caused problems for them or their friends.

1086
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: Seems like a lot of this pivots around Brennan, like

1087
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:22,280
you sort of the kingpin here.

1088
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:28,519
Speaker 2: Well, we've so known about Comy's malfeasans prior to this,

1089
01:03:28,679 --> 01:03:32,599
that the Brennan stuff, we're finally learning much more about

1090
01:03:32,639 --> 01:03:36,480
how Brennan lied, how he misled his own employees, how

1091
01:03:36,519 --> 01:03:39,039
he threatened them, you know, like we're learning more about

1092
01:03:39,079 --> 01:03:41,679
that now. So I think that's where people's interest is. Obviously,

1093
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,400
Comy is still a very bad guy. And then Clapper

1094
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:47,599
also was the organizer of this whole project, so he's

1095
01:03:47,679 --> 01:03:52,760
also very bad. And I have a story I'm working

1096
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,199
on right now about how much of the bad behavior

1097
01:03:56,239 --> 01:03:59,480
that we learned about with Brennan last week also applies

1098
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:00,199
to Clapper.

1099
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,519
Speaker 1: It just seems to me coming up with the assessment,

1100
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:10,519
omitting any kind of evidence and expertise that undermines your

1101
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,840
lot and then handing it to the president is the

1102
01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:18,920
pivotal moment of this whole thing in a way, and

1103
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:23,000
then everyone using that information to create the conspiracy as secondary.

1104
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:25,199
But I don't know. You're the expert on it, just

1105
01:04:25,239 --> 01:04:30,280
as a person paying attention. Okay, you want to talk

1106
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,960
about culture, sure, I really don't have a ton. I

1107
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,280
will start by saying I watched the second half of

1108
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,559
the Billy Joel documentary. I don't want to get too

1109
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:42,239
into Billy Joel lookspt to say two things. One was

1110
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,320
that I think he's the most normy rock star that

1111
01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:48,960
has ever existed. Right. I liked it very much. I

1112
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:50,679
mean I'm not a big fan. And secondly, this is

1113
01:04:50,679 --> 01:04:53,559
something I did not realize in nineteen like ninety three,

1114
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:56,559
he made his last pop album. He did one classical

1115
01:04:56,599 --> 01:05:01,039
album after and this guy who had for twenty years

1116
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:03,679
written a string of hits, some of them like in

1117
01:05:03,719 --> 01:05:07,199
the American Songbook Forever, you know, like piano man let's say,

1118
01:05:07,719 --> 01:05:09,639
just says I am sick. He calls it the tyrning

1119
01:05:09,719 --> 01:05:12,559
of the rhyme. He's sick of writing songs, and he quits. Right,

1120
01:05:13,239 --> 01:05:15,960
he never made another album. That's years more than thirty

1121
01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:20,039
years ago. That's crazy. Just assumed he was doing what

1122
01:05:20,119 --> 01:05:22,320
all these old guys were doing because I wasn't paying attention.

1123
01:05:22,719 --> 01:05:25,599
And a lot of people, let's say, I remember The

1124
01:05:25,639 --> 01:05:28,199
Who announced their last tour in nineteen eighty their farewell

1125
01:05:28,239 --> 01:05:30,000
tour in nineteen eighty two, and I think they were

1126
01:05:30,039 --> 01:05:32,679
just touring this year. So a lot of these rock

1127
01:05:32,719 --> 01:05:34,599
stars come back in that way, and he never did.

1128
01:05:34,639 --> 01:05:36,719
He just sort of gave it up. And I don't know,

1129
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,079
I have some kind of weird, begrudging respect for that.

1130
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,840
The only negative I would say in this documentary was

1131
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:48,119
that they, for a very brief moment, because he's Jewish

1132
01:05:48,119 --> 01:05:51,880
and all, that they talk about Charlottesville and they play

1133
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,000
a clip of Trump. You know that the Trump pops

1134
01:05:54,039 --> 01:05:57,599
basically that he said they were very fine people. Did

1135
01:05:57,599 --> 01:05:58,119
you watch it?

1136
01:05:58,880 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 3: No?

1137
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:02,159
Speaker 2: I tweet that people were laughing about because my husband

1138
01:06:02,199 --> 01:06:05,639
was apparently watching it while I was working, and he

1139
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,280
was complaining about how he repeated that hoax and that

1140
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:13,320
it was just included with like nobody fixed it even

1141
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,599
though it's a lie, and so I was like, heck

1142
01:06:15,639 --> 01:06:17,239
of a way to find out that your husband is

1143
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:22,239
watching the Billy Jewel documentary. But I did watch like

1144
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,960
the end of it with him, and because it's a

1145
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,079
two parter, right.

1146
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: It's long, like five hours or something.

1147
01:06:29,079 --> 01:06:31,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, maybe a five part but I watched like

1148
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:35,679
the last part of those last part, and one thing

1149
01:06:35,679 --> 01:06:39,159
that struck me was that he clearly is an alcoholic

1150
01:06:39,199 --> 01:06:42,719
who has not accepted that. So he gets mad when

1151
01:06:42,719 --> 01:06:45,679
people are very nicely pointing out that he has a

1152
01:06:45,719 --> 01:06:49,039
drinking problem or that that he is an alcoholic, and

1153
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,360
that's you know, that's his business. And maybe he's got it.

1154
01:06:51,519 --> 01:06:53,239
He thinks he's got it under control, or he has

1155
01:06:53,239 --> 01:06:55,559
it under control. But it was just kind of weird

1156
01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:01,519
to see it. There was you saw that Tom Lara

1157
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:02,920
died this week?

1158
01:07:04,519 --> 01:07:10,159
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the PBS. The Johnson guy. Wait was he

1159
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:11,800
Johnson Administration official letter?

1160
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:16,519
Speaker 2: Are you talking about the the Wait? Am I making up?

1161
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,960
What's the name? Oh my gosh, no, the guy who

1162
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,079
does the satirical songs. Isn't that his name?

1163
01:07:22,199 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't I don't know, Yeah, go on,

1164
01:07:24,119 --> 01:07:25,280
I don't know. I don't know that.

1165
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 2: My husband loves Tom Lerr's goofy songs. And you know,

1166
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,599
even there he was pretty lefty and everything, but he

1167
01:07:31,639 --> 01:07:34,119
also had that element song that helps you remember what

1168
01:07:34,199 --> 01:07:36,159
all the elements are, but.

1169
01:07:36,239 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: He like what I was thinking Bill Bill Moore. I

1170
01:07:39,079 --> 01:07:41,880
was thinking Bill Moyers for some reason. Sorry, I don't know.

1171
01:07:42,039 --> 01:07:45,119
Tom Larry is gone, but he.

1172
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 2: Does all of these songs and then he just stops

1173
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:55,000
and he okay, he says. When asked why he had

1174
01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:59,039
abandoned his musical career in an interview, he replies, if

1175
01:07:59,079 --> 01:08:01,920
an idea came to me, I'd write, and if it didn't,

1176
01:08:02,159 --> 01:08:05,880
I wouldn't. And gradually the second option prevailed over the first.

1177
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:09,239
Occasionally people ask if you enjoyed it, and I did,

1178
01:08:09,559 --> 01:08:12,360
why don't you do it again? I reply, I enjoyed

1179
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,320
high school, but I certainly wouldn't want to do that again.

1180
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:18,479
Because he's you know, he dies it like close to

1181
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,960
one hundred, but he hasn't done any music for what

1182
01:08:21,239 --> 01:08:23,600
like fifty years. It's kind of crazy, maybe more, I

1183
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,840
don't know. And he clearly had a gift in his youth.

1184
01:08:27,079 --> 01:08:29,760
There's also this sad thing that people who are you

1185
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,079
are in my age have to realize, which is, you

1186
01:08:32,119 --> 01:08:34,920
know that there's a reason why so many of the

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world's greatest discoveries are accomplished by very young men. Yeah,

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I mean also mine works differently over time.

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Speaker 1: When you think about music, for instance, most of the

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01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,920
great work of any kind of rock band or whatever,

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01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,600
it's usually not always when in their younger yers, when

1192
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,279
they're bursting with new ideas and all of that, and

1193
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,800
that's difficult to replicate. Though. I would say that Billy

1194
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,600
Joel I think like fifty and that he still had

1195
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,920
like number one hits and songs that aren't my kind

1196
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,319
of songs but obviously are very well crafted and written

1197
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:10,920
and performed pop songs, right right. I think also it's

1198
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,479
like you know, when you're exercising, you're in good shape,

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01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,159
but then you stop for a month and it's almost

1200
01:09:15,159 --> 01:09:17,680
impossible to get back into it, you know, how older

1201
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,479
you get. I feel like maybe he just got out

1202
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:24,079
of the work right and it was just difficult and

1203
01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:26,359
easier for him just not to do that anymore, just

1204
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:28,600
to play his hits. I mean, imagine how many times

1205
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,600
that guy's played piano. Man, I wouldn't be able to

1206
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,359
do that, so, but you know it makes them a

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01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:34,439
hundred yeah, I do.

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01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,159
Speaker 2: Sorry, Well, I just want to say I very much

1209
01:09:37,239 --> 01:09:40,119
liked the part where they're explaining how much he's influenced

1210
01:09:40,119 --> 01:09:43,199
by classical music and what he's trying to accomplish in

1211
01:09:43,239 --> 01:09:48,359
his music. And Mark always says that this line from

1212
01:09:48,359 --> 01:09:51,359
a documentary on Tom Petty sticks with him that every

1213
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:56,720
single male rock star either has an absent mother or

1214
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,439
a difficult relationship with his dad or both, you know,

1215
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,119
or something like that. So every time he encounters it,

1216
01:10:02,119 --> 01:10:05,159
he's like, it's true. The difficult relationship with his dad

1217
01:10:05,239 --> 01:10:07,720
was also sad. You know that his dad just kind

1218
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,039
of abandons him, and the hole that leaves in his

1219
01:10:10,079 --> 01:10:13,159
heart that he tries to fill with with drink and song,

1220
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:14,079
you know, and.

1221
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:18,159
Speaker 1: He finds his dad and not to spoil it in Vienna,

1222
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:23,000
and every picture of them there's this like space like

1223
01:10:23,039 --> 01:10:25,600
everyone else is close together and they're apart there obviously

1224
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,920
never mended anything, and you know, he was obviously a

1225
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:28,840
difficult man.

1226
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 2: But he has a brother through that conductor who's like

1227
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,239
a very good conductor. And then also when the brother

1228
01:10:36,319 --> 01:10:39,960
says I told him how much our dad was proud

1229
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,439
of him, but he just didn't believe me, It's like, okay, yeah,

1230
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:46,119
that dude, he only messed up. People usually make art

1231
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:47,399
at that.

1232
01:10:47,399 --> 01:10:51,079
Speaker 1: Level, right again, you know, I grew up a lot

1233
01:10:51,119 --> 01:10:53,319
with him around on long Island and everyone loved him there,

1234
01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:55,000
but I never liked it. But I have a much

1235
01:10:55,039 --> 01:10:57,159
greater appreciation for him. How he broke down one of

1236
01:10:57,199 --> 01:10:59,359
his songs like Uptown Girl or something, and he played

1237
01:10:59,359 --> 01:11:01,800
it in a class style to show that that was

1238
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,760
his influence. And I think he was an I never

1239
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,640
you know, obviously plays piano all the time. Obviously songs

1240
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,520
are based on the piano. But he was an amazing

1241
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,159
piano player. And the thing that really made me admire

1242
01:11:13,239 --> 01:11:16,359
him was that when he wrote this classical suite or whatever,

1243
01:11:17,319 --> 01:11:19,520
he didn't think that he was good enough to play it,

1244
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,279
so he let a classical musician do it for him,

1245
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,199
which showed a kind of humility I think that you

1246
01:11:25,279 --> 01:11:29,079
almost rarely see with a rock star, right And I

1247
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:34,560
liked his normy appeal. So I watched that, did you?

1248
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:35,159
How about you?

1249
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 2: I also began watching a documentary on Pee Wee Herman.

1250
01:11:45,119 --> 01:11:45,960
Did you see that one?

1251
01:11:46,079 --> 01:11:46,279
Speaker 3: Oh?

1252
01:11:46,319 --> 01:11:48,279
Speaker 1: I actually have that on my list. No, I did

1253
01:11:48,359 --> 01:11:49,079
not watch it yet.

1254
01:11:50,319 --> 01:11:53,239
Speaker 2: I very much love Pee Wee Herman. I can quote

1255
01:11:53,239 --> 01:11:57,439
from his movies with my girlfriends like we were that

1256
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:01,600
sort of some of my were in art school. You know,

1257
01:12:02,039 --> 01:12:05,560
he had that appeal to weirdos like us, and so

1258
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,840
I really like him his art. I'm not loving the

1259
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:12,119
documentary and I'm not loving him, but I'm not done

1260
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:14,000
with it yet, so so we'll say about that.

1261
01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:17,279
Speaker 1: I loved him too, But just quickly, do you know

1262
01:12:17,359 --> 01:12:19,159
his I didn't watch this yet, but in his early

1263
01:12:19,239 --> 01:12:21,920
years he was much more like cutting edge and kind

1264
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,239
of transgressive, like Phil Hartman was on his show like

1265
01:12:24,279 --> 01:12:27,079
a stage show, right, wasn't he? Like not really, We're gonna.

1266
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 2: Love this documentary, which is also long and in two parts,

1267
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,199
which is why it's taking me so long. So yeah,

1268
01:12:31,239 --> 01:12:34,319
Phil Hartman was his best friend, and they did a

1269
01:12:34,359 --> 01:12:37,039
lot of their work. I mean Phil Hartman co wrote

1270
01:12:37,079 --> 01:12:38,000
the movies.

1271
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:41,399
Speaker 1: Right, Diddy, I didn't know that exactly. Love the first one.

1272
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and and yeah, my gosh, why am I

1273
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:50,199
forgetting Pee Wee's actual name?

1274
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,359
Speaker 1: Oh? I don't know either right now.

1275
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 2: I haven't had enough coffee yet. Paul Rubins, so he

1276
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,760
you know, he went to art school a lot about

1277
01:13:02,279 --> 01:13:04,439
it's you know, what his life was like early on

1278
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:08,840
and who he was talking to and those influences. But

1279
01:13:09,159 --> 01:13:11,399
the more that he's talking, the less I'm enjoying the

1280
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:16,520
actual product. Which is, you know, just don't meet your heroes.

1281
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:19,880
And then did you get the note from one of

1282
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,359
our listeners who is like, every time you guys are

1283
01:13:22,399 --> 01:13:25,479
going off on how much you watch, I'm always wondering

1284
01:13:26,039 --> 01:13:26,880
do they read?

1285
01:13:28,119 --> 01:13:28,359
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1286
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:33,359
Speaker 2: You know, so I will mention that I'm rereading Marilyn

1287
01:13:33,399 --> 01:13:37,880
Robinson's Gilead right now, and I'm really enjoying the reread.

1288
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:42,960
It's something I'm not a big rereader, except for Moby Dick,

1289
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:44,560
which is a book I like to reread because you

1290
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,920
get new things out of it each time, but in

1291
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,039
part because that has worked out so well for me.

1292
01:13:49,119 --> 01:13:51,960
Or I'm also rereading the Bible now from the beginning.

1293
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,760
I was just going back to some other books that

1294
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,319
I enjoyed, And did you ever read that Gillad?

1295
01:13:58,239 --> 01:14:01,199
Speaker 1: No, I've heard people, you know, admire it and love it.

1296
01:14:01,279 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's good. And also it's a good

1297
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:07,800
book about aging, and so you might enjoy that part.

1298
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 1: It's it's what he's saying, I am aging, you know,

1299
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:17,960
It's like when I was when I was younger.

1300
01:14:18,279 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny though too. And when I read it

1301
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,840
when I was younger, I don't think I was appreciating like,

1302
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:28,439
just to give an example which I was talking to

1303
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:32,239
my friends about last night, but it's from the perspective

1304
01:14:32,399 --> 01:14:36,239
of a small town reverend writing letters to his son.

1305
01:14:37,039 --> 01:14:40,039
He's about the pastor is about to die and his

1306
01:14:40,119 --> 01:14:43,640
son is very young, and so a story unfolds about,

1307
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:45,800
you know, he'd been married previously and he lost his

1308
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:49,119
wife and daughter and childbirth, and then he marries this

1309
01:14:49,279 --> 01:14:51,880
much younger woman and they have a son. But he

1310
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:55,039
tells this story about how he was swaying to music

1311
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,640
in the living room and his wife says, do you

1312
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,800
want me to teach you how to do that? And

1313
01:15:00,039 --> 01:15:03,920
so she and he danced together, and then she says,

1314
01:15:04,119 --> 01:15:06,680
why do you have to be so damned old? And

1315
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:11,119
it's just a very touching, you know like story, and

1316
01:15:11,159 --> 01:15:13,119
it's nice to get. It's very well done to get

1317
01:15:13,119 --> 01:15:15,399
this perspective from this man. I also just love this

1318
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:17,399
might sound something there was this period of time where

1319
01:15:17,399 --> 01:15:20,319
they that were still stuck in I think where there's

1320
01:15:20,359 --> 01:15:23,239
this idea that you can't write characters that you don't

1321
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,359
know personally, that you can't write about someone who is

1322
01:15:26,399 --> 01:15:30,239
a different race or sex than you are. And I

1323
01:15:30,279 --> 01:15:36,119
think she shows such a great way of writing from

1324
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:40,439
the perspective of this older man that it should. It

1325
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:41,760
just proves that's not true.

1326
01:15:43,279 --> 01:15:48,199
Speaker 1: Maybe I will I that email was sent about reading,

1327
01:15:48,279 --> 01:15:52,880
but I've actually found that with audio books, so I'll

1328
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,000
have a book, I'll get the audiobook and also put

1329
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,840
it on my phone and having it on my phone

1330
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,039
so if I'm chopping with my wife or something, she's

1331
01:15:59,079 --> 01:16:00,800
doing her thing and I'm reading as I walk and

1332
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,560
follow her. So I do a lot more reading actually

1333
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:05,600
than I used to when I was younger. And I

1334
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:07,319
picked up an old book that I love called The

1335
01:16:07,359 --> 01:16:09,520
Friends of Eddie Coyle. Have you ever read that? It's

1336
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,880
one of the crime novels. Yeah, yeah, just like super

1337
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:16,520
realistic kind of story about a low level criminal who

1338
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,239
friends of Eddie Coyle because he actually has no friends,

1339
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:23,039
so it's kind of just anyway. It's a great book.

1340
01:16:23,079 --> 01:16:25,359
They made a movie was less less interesting in the

1341
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:28,239
early seventies. The only other thing I have is I

1342
01:16:28,279 --> 01:16:32,880
watched I started watching the show called Untamed with Eric

1343
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,800
Bonna and Sam Neil, and it happens. There's it's a

1344
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:41,880
mystery that unfolds in Yosemite National Park, which maybe they'd

1345
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,119
like have an American actor occasionally on new shows, but

1346
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:46,199
apparently I.

1347
01:16:46,119 --> 01:16:48,159
Speaker 2: Grew up going to somebody a lot, so that might

1348
01:16:48,199 --> 01:16:50,560
be interesting. We lived far from there.

1349
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:56,680
Speaker 1: It's it's beautiful. I can't recommend it, really, I mean,

1350
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,439
so far, I've only watched two or three episodes. I

1351
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:03,840
find it a little bit boring. But as I get older,

1352
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,479
I lose my patience too with things that are not

1353
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:10,520
immediately interesting to me. I've noticed. Maybe it's a Google effect.

1354
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:11,000
I don't know.

1355
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 2: Okay, So I do want to just say two things

1356
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:17,840
that seem fitting here, even though they're not. I don't

1357
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,720
know why it's important to even share this, but one

1358
01:17:21,039 --> 01:17:24,720
is that I turned in my book on Alito.

1359
01:17:25,239 --> 01:17:29,079
Speaker 1: Congratulations, Like, can I ask one much?

1360
01:17:29,039 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 2: I I'm not sure if we have an official date,

1361
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:36,079
so I don't know if I should say so. And

1362
01:17:36,159 --> 01:17:39,239
I'm so happy, and I'm also just just happy with

1363
01:17:39,279 --> 01:17:42,199
how it turned out, and that's always a good feeling.

1364
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:49,159
And then my uncle Bob died a few days ago,

1365
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:55,439
and I love my uncle Bob. He I guess you know,

1366
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:58,279
some families, if you marry into the family, that's treated

1367
01:17:58,319 --> 01:18:02,279
as different than if you're blood relative. And technically he

1368
01:18:02,359 --> 01:18:04,800
married into the family, but he just always was like

1369
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:09,319
one hundred percent my uncle and a wonderful uncle, and

1370
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,880
he had been dealing with cancer and then he had

1371
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:16,640
a heart attack this past weekend, and I think, you know,

1372
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:20,119
when my dad called to tell me, I understood, well, hey,

1373
01:18:20,119 --> 01:18:21,880
my dad doesn't call me a ton like my mom

1374
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,479
called me, so I kind of knew that it was serious.

1375
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,159
And his son, who was my cousin in the same age,

1376
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,760
died last year. So it's just been a lot for

1377
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:36,600
this time for this family. But I I'm mentioning all

1378
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,640
this because I'll be going to the funeral. And I

1379
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,960
do think my mom gave me good advice when I

1380
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:46,319
was younger, which was to always go to a funeral

1381
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:49,640
or wedding of a family member if you're able, And

1382
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,359
I think that's good advice I'd like to pass on

1383
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:52,840
as well.

1384
01:18:54,199 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, condolences. I'm sorry since like a tough

1385
01:18:58,720 --> 01:18:59,920
time for the family.

1386
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, But so he he was a wonderful member of

1387
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:07,119
his church and an elder in his church, just a

1388
01:19:07,159 --> 01:19:12,039
great guy. Great and his wife was is my aunt Catherine,

1389
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,159
and she also did a lot of church work throughout

1390
01:19:15,159 --> 01:19:17,520
her life. And so there is comfort in that knowing

1391
01:19:18,079 --> 01:19:21,000
that he is with our savior. So that makes it

1392
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,199
a lot easier for our family, but is still very

1393
01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:24,359
hard because he's so great.

1394
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: Anyway, anyway, now I'll have to segue to no, it's okay,

1395
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,880
it's okay. No, it's good to recognize the people in

1396
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,840
your life, for sure. Just as a reminder to listeners,

1397
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:39,479
if you'd like to email the show, you can do

1398
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:42,359
so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We love

1399
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:44,960
to hear from you, and we will be back next week.

1400
01:19:45,039 --> 01:19:48,680
Until then, be lovers of freedom and anxious great tray

1401
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:50,119
chance