Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the season two
finale of House of Dragon review Sash Boys review shast
Season two Dragon. I don't know what I just said.
I try to say a word slash and it changed
every time. But I am the clown friends of Bastards dress.
Now I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know how long I've been winning for this,
kirklem Patzer.
Speaker 3: They rebuilder Taylor Field.
Speaker 1: Make sure you tell people what happening today. It's gonna
be a good time. I need that movie to whatever.
That's another time. I can't wait for next after night
and talk about the patrons everything. But this is as
I said the end of season two House Dragons, we
got a lot of stuff going on. The next you
get a pluffer right now because within this last twenty
four hours you're gonna get the gimmick. Myself, David and
Espos the Restling Boys return. We just reviewed Summer Slam,
big event. I could say Rome Rains come back. Half
of the people listening to probably like, what the fuck
are you talking about? But anyways, it was a big
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in of the year. So check out that review that's
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then myself and Batman. Oh fuck, I got a huge
guest review Crusader. It's the Batman big yet I couldn't
believe it. You didn't like we didn't have to say
about Dark Knight Rises Uncle and Geeks. But uh, you know,
me and Kirkland will reviewing Batman Cape Crusader, not Taylor,
because I'm gonna tell a very fun story on that
review of Taylor's trying to uh trying to like just.
Speaker 3: Have high helps that I was gonna be on it.
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I don't think I'll tease it. It's
worthy if you not watching Batman to tune into nonsports
View just to hear the bullshit. Taylor tried to shovel
me today when I saw him, and I don't think
he thought I was gonna catch it, but he said
one thing and ran away.
Speaker 3: I'm like, ohh I do yesterday when we're doing the
stream like I'm not joining for this review.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, but you should still watch it. It's
gonna be like e vincible, Like why did why was
one of the saying the boys, why was it one
of the view Travis, It's like, well, I told I
asked when we watched season on the Boys and no
one did you know he's the that twice to me,
you've done that Invincible and the Boys. We're like, oh,
I should have watched us from day one. I haven't
watched Invincible, so how can I say that it's something else?
Then it's something else? Kirkly, you done Invincible season two yet?
Speaker 3: Uh? You know, Well, let's make this pot Yeah, I'll do.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so there's lots of other stuff. All the
rest of the Alien retrospectives will be dropping this week
as well, a VP two, Prometheus Government, and the Alien Isolation.
Like a minor note, I'll announced we're not gonna do
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ones we were gonna review, come up after the movie.
So we are going to do that. But in a
did you not see that? You saw the do you
see the Discord? Taylor?
Speaker 3: I haven't been into Discord for oh yeah.
Speaker 1: So we're not gonna do that because there's only one.
So we're gonna wait for the next pread or Alien
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so we should get some more Marvel news and everything
like that. So it's kind of the cast for the
next little week. There so lots of stuff popping off.
So mister Patz or what did you think of this episode?
But also just a close. We'll talk about the overall
season when we get to the finale, but just this
as an overall close for the second chapter of House
of Dragon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought this episode delivered in many ways and
under delivered in some minor ways. So for the most part,
I think this was a pretty damn good finale. I
think we had some Superman mic in the comments episode
title The Queen Whoever Was? I actually didn't see that title.
Speaker 1: Is it ever?
Speaker 2: Never ever?
Speaker 1: Super bad? Mike? That has to be. That has to
be like a title from.
Speaker 2: You, right, because it's never was?
Speaker 1: The Queen that the Queen whoever was?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I know the actual title. I'm pretty sure
it doesn't have an end.
Speaker 1: Really what title?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Pull it up? Pull up on Crave what the
actual episode title?
Speaker 1: And Crave just said episode eight for me. So I
didn't give me a title. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I'm not crazy. Then I'm not crazy, then.
Speaker 1: Crave is no typle. The Queen that ever was? That
sounds like me trying to say, no, it doesn't. The
Queen that ever, whoever was? How does it make sense?
Please tell me? Or whatever was?
Speaker 2: Because they have been. The Queen that forever was supposed
to be.
Speaker 1: The Queen who.
Speaker 3: Ever was some ancient medieval speak that does some language.
Speaker 1: Man, I don't like it. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Some parts not good.
Speaker 1: Jar Martin take that one back and workshop it he.
Speaker 2: Made the title episode.
Speaker 1: He didn't make that, but I know for sure he's
not working.
Speaker 2: On those books.
Speaker 1: You know, get those books.
Speaker 2: Watched whatever Taylor's watching.
Speaker 1: You see a movie on Amazon, Travis, you seem yeah,
to finish his books anyways.
Speaker 2: Underwhelmed, Yeah, yeah, I think this episode had some good
interactions amongst the characters that I've been looking for to
them actually having interactions. I feel like some classic big
finale moments weren't really felt here, But in other ways,
it it like it. It definitely got me excited for
more to come, which is unfortunate because it's like, well,
now I gotta wait fucking who knows how long?
Speaker 1: Three Yeah, exactly, so definitely not next year, we know
at least, so I think.
Speaker 2: It's I think for me, it's like the most unfortunate
thing is like I gotta wait longer to get answers
that I thought I was gonna get this season, So
that's always kind of a bummer. But I still think
it delivered in many ways. Performances pretty much across the
board were just elevated. I think in this episode compared
to some prior episodes in the past. I feel like
everyone was pretty much on their a game. But yeah,
I think I'll just detail more of certain things that
I would have wanted. But I think this episode still
had some pretty good moments to make me satisfied with
it being a finale. But I don't know, I'm curious
how you guys feel on that sense, because it definitely
didn't tie all the bows. But by the end of it,
there's a lot of things that they did leave and
kind of we're setting up for and I felt I
felt this episode had an ultimate energy to it, especially
by the end. But I don't know, maybe we'll I'll
just save it there for now. But yeah, overall, big
thumbs up for me. I really did quite enjoy this episode, Taylor.
Speaker 3: I did not really have a lot of hype coming
from this episode. I feel like there was some exciting moments,
maybe three that I could pinpoint, but the rest of
the episode, I felt like it was really lack of
less I feel like we're dealing with some stuff that
is unfinished and should have been dealt with a few
episodes ago, and I feel like we're just getting some
new things that are opening up, and I just when
we get to that last like ten minutes of the
episode and I pull up the time STAPs, like and man, okay,
this is how much is left.
Speaker 1: I did the same thing. I'm not expanding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not satisfying it's over at all. So and
I didn't like the fact that, Okay, like they're clearly
trying to push this into a third season. That's fine,
but I I I don't think this was like a
done right. Like initially I thought it was supposed.
Speaker 2: To more seasons.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, that's like you're talking about it is
just one season.
Speaker 1: Back in the day, I think you might have talking
to somebody else.
Speaker 3: Oh well, I just wish that it gave a little
bit more of a conclusion because even in Game of
thrownes those seasons, yes they have cliffhangers in the final episode,
but you still get you still get more of like
a well got the balloons, you still get some more juice.
I feel like in the last two episodes of a
Game of Thrown season and I feel like the big
juice was the battle for whatever that fort was like
four episodes ago. That's the biggest juice. I could really sick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna ask you in your mind when
you thought this was one season. What did you think
when season one ended on like a massive cliff cliffhanger?
Did you not clue in, like all they're like, it's
not just one one.
Speaker 3: I thought that was them just trying to push for like, hey,
we'll keep it open ended in case we get that
second season.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I think they could always get canceled
at any point, but they're not because the show is
doing good numbers. I think it's four. I hope that
if they feel the need to go to five, to
go to five even though. So next year we get
The Night of Seven Kingdoms, which is a sixth episode one,
and then Georgia Armin says there's eight other shows in
develpment for live action, for animated, which doesn't mean they're
gonna all happen, because remember there was that pilot they
did a couple of years ago that they just shit
canned and it was what Naomi watched. They filmed the
whole thing and then they just went, oh, this isn't
good enough. So but uh yeah, I think there's I
think four is like the minimum of the plan for this.
So you got one more season on maybe build up
there tailor.
Speaker 3: One more season. Yeah, Well, I just I can't say
that because that's a spoiler, but yeah, like I don't
have much else I can add to non spoilers. I
just feel like it was lackluster and I'm hoping that
most people really got to be satisfied and enjoyed the episode,
because I feel like there was a lot of stuff
building up to this and I was hoping we would
get our feet into the water for some of this content.
But for me, it just wasn't there. We're dry, we
didn't get into it yet, So I.
Speaker 1: Am, okay, there's not wet, everybody.
Speaker 3: I'm not wet.
Speaker 1: It's not wet. Yeah, I feel like I'm kinda I
don't think I'm as negative. I don't think I'm as
negative as Tailor, and I don't know if I'm as
positive Kirkling, but that's just going off as Nonsworth thought,
because maybe he's not. Once we talk about I feel
like I'm a good mixture of the two where I
think it was a good episode but didn't feel like
a finale episode, you know. And the difference is too
with Game of Thrones is that was always the thing,
right was their penultimate episode was big and then the
finale was always the cool down. So I remember like
season up until season three and four. It's like now
that I didn't care about the finales, was like okay,
like just the finale, like we'll wait till next season.
But that was always fine to me because it's like, well,
you got this massive episode for episode I guess nine
in those seasons, so it's like, okay, yeah, I do
a cool down one, where with this one we didn't
get Like to me, last week, I guess we I
guess it depends. We kind of didn't dial it with
the dragons, right, like I wasn't on last week. I didn't.
I don't know where I am with the dragons. And
it's not just this show. It's like because I was
thinking about this as like, well, initially the talk about
how you gotta be trained for the dragons and rays,
and yet da da da, and then these guys just
get on the dragon. But at the same time, like
that kind of happened with John Snow when he meant
Denaris right, like he they fell in love the dragon
kind of liked him then he could just ride the dragon, right,
So I think in general, I just don't like the
loures what they do with the dragons. I think many
times they talk them up like they're very this prestigious thing,
you work your whole life towards it, and then you
can just be a dumb bastard who just is like
a comedic relief character who's just like I got a
dragon now, Like I think that kind of take. I
don't think I really enjoyed last week A lot of
the battle, like the War of Bastards. In that element,
it felt very much like a It's not as bad,
don't get me wrong, but it feels like a dais smoking,
which I don't like. The arm of the Dead and
Return the King, and all of a sudden, it's like
we've not heard out about this at all the movies.
And then like k air Gorn, you know that's that
army over there. They could win you this whole war,
and guess what happens. They just win them the whole war,
and that's it. And that's where it's just like we're
really like the war they kind of win. They don't see,
you're right, but they win a key They win a
key battle, right, a key battle. And I still don't
know why he just didn't take them to Mordor either,
but that's digress. That's a bad, bad decision by air Gorn.
But I just feel like this stuff has almost been
like a get at Jel free card where it felt
like our heroes had the thumb on them and then
all of a sudden she's like, well now they they're
good to go.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So I didn't know how I felt about that last
week and this, so that's what I meant for me.
I guess it wasn't as big. Maybe some people thought
that was like a Game of Thrones level penultimate episode,
and I could see that this being the cool down one.
So I think, yeah, Mike, you said, then this wure.
I agree. It's great character moments, many great things, great developments.
I think in the last five minutes they show us
a bunch of stuff for season three where it's like, oh,
that's juicy and that's Juesy. Like again, nowhere I am
I gonna say this is a disappointing finale or that
I thought was bad, still good, still a pass Like
the episode itself, I was r gonna be like an
eight at ten something like that. I just was. I
think I was because last year ended on such a
big punch right with Luke. That was such a big
and even the whole finale had lots of punches, but
that particularly was like whoa. And this was an odd
season where we had that, and then the premiere was
super hot and heavy right with that loss as a child,
and then we got that middle season episodes like tear
Top with the battle, so it felt like it was
kind of all over the place when those big episodes
were happening. So overall, I did like this episode. It
just didn't feel like it did feel like a bit
more set up. Again. Where we talked about many times
was like okay, we're we're I think it was like
episode five, We're like, okay, now we've concluded there has
to be a battle now, like whatever, we're in the war.
Where I felt like this was again where it's like, okay,
the war is starting. It's like, well, I just feel
if you know what it reminds me of. It reminds
me of Game of Thrones when they kept saying winter
is coming, which funny enough, someone said that in tonight episode.
But it feel like when you start Game of Thrones
and they say, hey, Winter's coming, I would assume when
i'm watching, it's like, Okay, winter's pretty close around, right,
Winter doesn't come till season seven, and that's where it's like,
fucking eight nine years later, we're like, oh my goodness,
like we finally got to this point. I feel like
that's where this show. I feel like they're almost always
going to be like we're about to go to war.
Like I feel like the first four episodes of season
three is going to be We're on the precipice of
war right now, and it's gonna get real bad. And
I feel like we've seen it get bad. Don't get
me wrong, but I feel like they're like holding back
to that final season and then everyone will die or perish,
and then I'm sure it's gonna be great stuff. I hope,
you know, better than the final season game of Thrown.
So yeah, enjoyed it. Good episode, Uh, not the most
memorable episode as far as like I'm gonna be walking
away from it, where the finale of last season was like, man,
I can't wait to see what's next. I can't. I
am still in that I can't wait to see what's next,
But I'm not all I'm not leaving on the high
I was last I want to saying year but last season,
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Speaker 2: For me with my name the you know how long
I've been waiting for this moment? For me, that moment
was Raniera just fucking saying enough of this. I'm just
flying my dragon to Heronhulm and just like meeting down Damon,
I man that scene, Actually, I had chills. I could
feel the mana in a play, every episode, for every
little video clip that we have in the file, I've
felt it in that moment because I I mean, I
guess before that moment he gets taken to what's the
woods called. It's like the Elderwood, not the elder Wood Gods.
Would the gods? Would he goes to the gods? Would
we see Danny in the flash forward? I guess a
couple other sequences.
Speaker 1: In the flesh, like we do see her in the
flesh and the flesh Yeah, see, it's a flesh forward.
Speaker 2: See a lot of flesh float forwards with some in
her three dragons, which he.
Speaker 1: Thinks that's nier, right I would imagine so yeah, I
would imagine similar figure, look skin color, you know.
Speaker 2: Like the dragons. Yeah, yeah, I think so, especially especially
because she sees that and then she goes to the
iron Throne room and then actually sees like modern Reniera
like sitting on the throne, and then that's kind of
just what wakes him up. I like the intensity of
what that's and like the tension that it had with
like actually seeing all of Damon's armies now like Throughout
this whole season, it's been like, yeah, I'm assembling my
armies and then like you meet like a captain here
and there, But like when Ranier flies in and you
just see like tens of thousands of tense it's like, oh, man,
this guy actually is ready for battle now. And then
when she goes into that that I don't even know
what you would call it, just like the Median hall room,
I guess where all of his men are kind of
just chilling. But I just love the intensity of whenever
those two actors are on screen together. I think they're
so fantastic and it's just like like the tension of
having seen like one another for what was it episode
one when he departed or episode two?
Speaker 1: Yeah, one was the botch slang, which I feel like,
I feel like they kind of confirmed he did say
just kill any kid, like if you can't find the son,
kill a kid. Because I don't know why Helena else
would have been in that vision. I know it was
by a mistake, but that felt like a direct and
I'm happy with them leaving ambiguous and not fully answering it.
But to me, that is like, no, like you you
still said kill any kid? You know so, and Damon
is still dealing with that.
Speaker 2: So I'm not one hundred percent sure that is the case,
but I still think. I still think he feels the
weight of the decision, even if you just can't say it,
or if he did say it, and like you said,
like the fact that they didn't answer it almost makes
it more powerful. But yeah, no, I really love the
trippy vision sequences. I was not expecting to see Helena
in there, but but really just like the stare down
between him and Raniera and them speaking like high Valierian
and then he just like bends the knee and like
you see the emotion in Raniera's face, like you even
see it when she gets like the raven saying that
like there's signs of treachery, and she's like, are you
fucking kidding me? Like this is the like everything's starting
to go right for her, and it's like this is
the one thing that throughout the whole season she's been
like almost fearing in the back of her mind of
like is Damon like actually just switching sides, Like is
this really happening right now? I actually have to deal
with this this threat. And that's when she She's just like,
fuck this, I'm just going to hair and Hall and
getting this answer for me, Like I can't just keep
putting on with this, like is he gonna do it
or not? Like I need the answer directly. And I
just really love love how that whole thing went. I
like how I don't really love the whole fast traveling
moments that the show sometimes has.
Speaker 1: Dragon though right Season one was like that. Season one
was like that.
Speaker 2: Even has that too, right like near the end, I
feel like a lot of characters jumping back and forth,
but here it like it was fitting for me because
she has a dragon, and I would imagine that's the
fastest way to travel, you know, when Allison, you know,
gets there, it's a little iffy, but like still it's
more believable than when Rania does it, I think earlier
on this season. But but yeah, no, I long story short,
long story long, I really loved that whole her just
going to hair in Hall and having the interaction. I
felt like it was it was what I was hoping, right,
Like I wanted him to actually see the light and
choose Raner side in the end, and I'm glad that
it went that way, and I'm glad that it.
Speaker 1: It's staying that way.
Speaker 2: You don't think it will.
Speaker 1: I hope, But you always got lady m in there,
And I just wonder if they start to get it
on and Damon feels betrayed. Lady with Sorrow or whatever
you say. How you say her.
Speaker 2: Name right, oh, the white worm, or her name.
Speaker 1: Is, yeah, the brothel lady. Like how they almost kissed
a couple episodes ago. It almost feeled like Damon winning
for a kiss and she kind of pulled away a
little bit, not a dreg kiss, but he got really
close to her face and she she dodged it a bit,
So I was like, oh no, and I always at
first he still did bow and he did the cheer,
and that's my queen for everybody. But when he was
talking to her alone, he did say like, oh, well,
my brother chose you know. My brother chose you like
I'm paraphrasing, and thought you were the best one. So
that's why we're gonna you know you, that's why you're here.
But I still worry. It's like like he's still saying again, like, oh,
my brother thought this was best. So my brother smarted
at me, so I should probably go with it, but
it still is like that was their whole thing in
episode two where she's like, you gotta say I deserve this,
where this almost felt like, well, my brother thought you
deserved it, so he was probably right, Like Vassarus was
a smart guy, and then he did the cheer and
that's why for me it's tough because that cheer stuff
could be genuine or could just be Hey in the moment,
I'm like, I gotta sell this to the people here, right,
So I think he's turned. But at the same time,
damon it. You never know, but I would prefer because
there's much more stuff. Like you said, we want that
damon aman fight, there's other things. I still think he
could be a sacrifice guy, so I'm hoping, but like
I said, her potentially having an affair with somebody that
could also make him go like, yeah, I'm gonna get
us to win this. But after we're winning this and
you'll you already have what was it, Lord Alfred? Is
his name Alfred or something else?
Speaker 2: Alfred?
Speaker 1: The guy who were near sent to all yeah.
Speaker 3: And he'linked out of that fuck.
Speaker 1: That was a great scene when they're all cheering. They
made sure to show him he was like, oh, he
was like getting away and he likes But the thing
is he like he put that he I could just
see him. What's gonna be interesting is when we pick
up season three, if Damon does not tell Verniera about
that conversation he had with him, Yeah, that's where I'm
gonna go. Eh, Damon still sucks because then he's gonna
keep putting that idea in his head that yeah, listen,
I get you know, you love your wife. We support
her claim, but right now the realm needs a king
and need something stable and you gotta be that. And
the fact in this episode he didn't say anything because
I thought, oh, this guy's dead to rights. He's gonna
tell Verniera and they're gonna kill this guy or some
sort of punishment. So I'm waiting till next season to
see what he does with that information because I could
still talk him up and be like hey, And then
Damon goes to talk to Raniera. She's getting on with
you know, the lady, and that's I just could a
few bad things happen. Then he gets back in the
headspace of well, she's lying to me about this, you know.
But then he did see the Danny vision, right, so
I hope it stays true.
Speaker 2: That vision is what convinces me that like he is
really changed. Like I feel like that was like you
actually meet God and it's like this is this is
real and it's like, oh my god, okay, like I
actually saw it for myself, like it's it's no longer
of like is this real. It's like I actually saw
it there and like you.
Speaker 1: Saw the story of Saw is a Fire and Ice
and yeah that sucks ass, but whatever.
Speaker 2: I think just like his body language too, like when
when he approaches we near, like he just seems so different,
I think, than than the the demon in the past.
And I think also like in the back of my
mind is like, you know, if we get next season
and he's just like the exact same at the start
of this season, like that's gonna be a major con
for me of like oh yeah, like you take a
whole season of Damon being upset that he doesn't have
the throne, and then by the end it's like I'm
with you, and then the start of next season it's.
Speaker 3: Like I don't know if I'm with you.
Speaker 2: Actually, I think I could do this alone. Like that's
just getting really cyclical at that point, and uh, not
really a fan of that. So I think it's like
a lot of like the vision is the main thing,
and then also it's just like what I've been what
I'm hoping is reality. I think that's why I liked
the way it is. But what about you teeling.
Speaker 3: I mean, the vision was definitely one of my hype
moments with the episode. I really liked it, and I
thought that this is cool to see the white Walkers
in there and see Denaris and even I'm pretty sure
it was the battle scene of John Snow walking at
the Battle of winter Fell, and like the Niking walking
in there too, and the water like that moment before
that when you see all the dead bodies on the
ground and the fire. It made it looked like it
was like the battle outside of winter Fell when John
Snow is walking and like the Niking was walking there too.
At least that's how I took it.
Speaker 1: Isn't funny that like none of these people in these
vision is like the reason like they don't kill them,
they didn't brand is the one that actually sends it all. Yeah,
It's just like it's just that's why I agree with
people that I wish I hope next season the prophecy
stuff's gone. It's just about this war because I don't
care what the prophecy, knowing what it leads to.
Speaker 3: Right, Maybe they're retconning it. Maybe this vision set like
the real ending. They're gonna read.
Speaker 1: The Last Jedi remake. You know it's gonna they're gonna
remake Game of Thrones after this.
Speaker 3: But I think it's I think it's neat that you
have this family that it sucks that they are split
apart because they're all just it's just super chaotic. But
I think it's neat that this family has this this
secret and this lineage of to protect the realm and
just this foreshadowed doom of the White Walkers that are coming.
And I just when when he experienced that vision, I
loved it. I thought it was great. And then it
just concludes where yeah, Arnier shows up. I thought, I
love that man. Raniera's score and her like official theme
is so good. It's like, oh, much better, jacket, you know,
much better.
Speaker 1: At the dinner table, she had the dragons on her
shoulder pads. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: The whole outfit is just it's say what you want
about renew but she's got stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, family showed me that jacket.
Speaker 2: You know how long I've been waiting for this?
Speaker 1: Who am I about to make our name for myself here?
Speaker 3: Major dead spoilers, Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 1: Jesus, No, it's all Audie, It's all no good.
Speaker 3: So I think the whole scene of him was completely genuine,
and he used pledging allegiance to her. I love that.
That was great. They gave me a King of the
North moment, so I was super hype on that.
Speaker 1: That was awesome.
Speaker 3: And yeah, just when she arrives there too, it was great.
And she just lands to their dragon and everyone's just
freaking out. They don't know if this dragon's on their
side or the enemy's side, and so she's flying over
and you already see like the soldiers.
Speaker 2: Fuck drug being like like a fucking soldier or a
guard living in this time, Like especially kings landing is
like always under threat. They have those big ballistas like
shooting at the sky. But like you have anyone that's
not vaguar, even vegar, I feel like it's a wild card.
But like any type of dragon, you're like, is that our?
You just have the fucking will of Dafoe. Look up
to the sky. Every time you see a dragon, you terrifying.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: So I'm excited to see where this is going to
lead with her him just being allies. That's kind of
where I liked how things kind of progress to the
ending because you see him walk out in his armor.
His armors is a very very bad ass like Dadrick
armor from Skyrim.
Speaker 2: It's just ragon hearts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Dadrix. So when you get to that scene
of him looking at his army, then you got the
two I guess not really too. You got the one
lanister army, but then the twin brother he's gone. He's
got his pirate army and they just all the high
towers and then a dragon flew over the high tower army.
But it wasn't Vaguar.
Speaker 1: No, that's the brother.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a nice one who's kind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's going to war, which I like. It's
so like all we've heard like, oh, he doesn't want
to fight anyone, but it's just like he's leading the
fucking armies going there. I get at your own war.
But yeah, I imagine he must get cast next to
whatever season because he's coming to town. So yeah, that's
not how Lena Helene is on her way fucking out
of there.
Speaker 2: You know, she's she's older dragon. At this point, she
is so.
Speaker 1: Not help me, You're gonna die, Okay, thanks sister, whatever.
Speaker 2: Which I say. I feel like this is my favorite
performance by her by Helena in this entire show. She's
just kind of been I don't want to say airheaded,
but like she was.
Speaker 1: She's the girl who fucked her brother like that that was,
and then she got to be a little depressed, like
she lost her daughter, and then she was gone this season.
So I don't think she's gonna be in much next
year either, because I feel like, either way, you gotta
get her out of there, right, like I know, sorry,
get out of it. Well, I just feel like I
know that Allison's plan is not gonna work now, but
it's like, well, still, just get you two out of there,
you know, it's like whatever, go go do what the
guy like we're near his former husband did in season one.
Just get a boat and fucking run like like it does.
Like I know, at the same time, I'm wondering that, well, no,
I scratched that because I was like, the probably can't
get out of there because amen did this again? Now
not only did the people he was not letting like
boats go in and out without being checked, but it's like, well,
Alliston's still got to fucking Dragonstone, right, so it's like
they can't be checking that well. So it's like if
she get the Dragonstone, get fucking you, your grant, your daughter,
your granddad, just go just leave and stuff like that.
Obviously they can't go to her dad because we finally
got that fucking answer to this episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what's going like, what's going on with them?
Because he just left, but we don't know who's got
him captive. We don't know who was holding like the
light like he was in gambling debts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did say we talked. I think it was
me and kurb we talked about that was the episode.
It was episode four whenever the big battle was because
two there's two mentions of letters had been sent to
him and he didn't respond and they're like, oh, he
must be busy, he's doing stuff. But I was like,
that doesn't seem like an auto thing. Otto is not
leaving people on Red. He'll be right, yes, you're sorry,
I'll be right there, like he would have been back
in kings Landing in a second again and the ship
of it. So I really don't know who my money's
always gonna be on. Uh, the Master Whispers. Yeah they
didn't show him, but he's always got people around, So
that's who my money is still on, because I don't
see Rene, Like, what's when you're gonna do a fucking
auto high tower? Like I got your father, Like, I
think it's the Master Whispers and he's gonna have something
up his sleeve.
Speaker 3: And shoes off, his feet are exposed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved your daughter's feet. What do your feet
look like? But like just because he with that and
the combo of he convinced Vissaria's to get out of town.
It's like he's doing the long Con with the Green team.
So I'm saying it's the Master Whispers that has you
mean he convinced? Yes, thank you, thank you, crip, I
bought your father. He's just like a skelt.
Speaker 2: He's starting to look like though I must he's slowly
morphing into his dad.
Speaker 1: Even though I think his dad probably had a better
cock because like even when his dad was getting sick,
he was still having sex with als.
Speaker 3: Such that burst or what aready says?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Man when I kiss it comes down my leg.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you mean talk about
his own.
Speaker 1: Cad that burns not really for Sarah's, so you can
put that away now. But yeah, Auto not looking good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you on the prediction. I don't
really know who else it would be other than maybe
Lady Massario, but like maybe she would have some like
if it is her, it would be pretty interesting because
I feel like she would she would clearly not be
fully like on team er Neer because she's doing like
her own plans. I'm not saying that she would be
against Raniera, but just like another third party. So I
am curious as to kind of who that answer would be,
but I feel like it's kind of leaning uh, mister
Clubfoot whatever his name.
Speaker 1: Is, Laris write those name now. I just really don't
know what is his end game is now, Laris, you know,
because it was like obviously not even Auto because we
don't know that just getting the series out of town Agon, fuck,
thank you, Egon. I don't know why I'm doing that
this episode. I guess his hope is somehow like is
it like a genuine thing or is this hope like
aim and dies and he can just bring him back
to be the king. At the same time, it's like
Arnier is gonna win this.
Speaker 3: Said, he knows Nier is gonna win this, and so
for whatever reason, he thinks that he can just stroll
Eggon back in there. And what are you saying on
the rebuilders won egg On the return this like whatever.
I don't know what his plan is, but yeah, Agon's
saying like, oh, we'll go live with the goat fuckers,
right like yeah, and Elver and it was Bravos think s.
Speaker 1: Well, I think Bravos is ins and that thing isn't
like the Continentlo.
Speaker 3: Bravos is where Ario went to and s I guess
is where Denaris is. Okay, pretty sure Asternaris.
Speaker 1: Don't expect them next season. People just you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: Here, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, they are reading this season. Yeah Allison, let's
talk about Alison. We're just talking about her and had that. Yeah,
she's out out of the woods. She again goes to
talk to Vernier, which is gonna be interesting because the
book fans, I guess didn't like that happened the first
time because I didn't have the books the secretly yeah,
and the Creyers are like, well, it happened in secrets,
it would never be documented, so this is again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I try to explain. It's like why not just
be like, oh, this is our story, that's.
Speaker 1: The books, you know. Uh, And then same thing with
this so it's like that one I understand more, but
it's like six dudes saw this go down, anders like
you you go away, but that I think this was
probably my favorite scene of the finale. There's a couple
other good ones. I have a like, oh, I've been
waiting for this, except it didn't fully deliver, but the
thing was really good. I think it's show Renier has
to do what she has to do because she didn't
want to. But that's a that's a terrible thing to
ask a mother to kill her own child, Like that's
like at the same point, it reminds me of what
we got last week where she did just put a
bunch of people locked. They still volunteered, but when they're
like locking them not letting them leave, like we're seeing
Raniera be like the classic targarian and make some decisions
where it's like, h like, I don't love this and
you're not. I don't think you're supposed to love it, right,
but it's like you're kind of far gone from what
you were trying to be, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, in her defense, I feel like, I like,
especially just Emma Darcy's like performance, like like she made
it seem like it was really hard to like even
say what she was saying, Like she was like in
tears when she was like basically proposing what she's saying
even though she was trying to really sound intimidating, and like,
you are the one that started this whole fucking thing,
and my son Luke was murdered by your son. So yeah,
I have no fucking remorse with the pitch of especially
what everything Aggon's done. Like it's not like he is
a Helena that is like very innocent and like really
did not choose this, Like he's made some really fucked
up decisions. He's said some really fucked up things in
season one.
Speaker 1: So they did lose the grandson though as well, Like
I know she wanted the sun for a summit. It's like, yeah,
the Green Tower.
Speaker 2: Allison gets Nier's first grandson.
Speaker 3: That's the analogies out of the window at this point.
It's just she's right, she needs to have his head
and just yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's also like like they pushed, so then
she has to push ten times harder to like really
just put an end to this. So I feel like
just because also the conniving way that the Greens just
kind of like stole the throne from Ranier, like like
all the bloodshed, all the wars could have just been
avoided if they just stuck to VISs Ayres initial wish
to make Na queen. But here we are, here we.
Speaker 3: Are, and maybe that's oh sorry, I was gonna say,
maybe that's why people don't necessarily Also like that first
meeting that took place when Nier went to go visit her,
because you have her in that moment realizing the truth
about a song of ice and fire and just the
actual misconception of the Saras in his last minutes, and
she reaffirmed to double down on what she felt, and
now you have her here in another sanctioned meeting, begging
for forgiveness. Yady, yady. Yeah, But in that meeting, initially
she could have she didn't have to double down. She
could have acknowledged, she could have confessed to Renier like Okay, yeah,
I fucked up. But she didn't, and now here she
is after all that has happened, all the brutality of
it and Rooks rest. Now here we are and she's
begging for it now. And it's just I don't blame
Herniera for being unmerciful towards her because Rniera granted her
that opportunity already and just yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But Allison was also right back then, too right
when she says it was too late, it's like it
was too late. Aimen was already scheming and aiming, as
we've seen any loss, like I'm just gonna go, But
how is it too late?
Speaker 3: Because I mean, right now you have her coming forward
saying implying it's not too late. I'll open the gates.
I'll have eggon bend the knee for you while Aman's away.
Speaker 1: Things have changed when it's burnt to a fucking crisp now,
like I don't know.
Speaker 3: A follows that that's hers because she could have before
because at the time she didn't drunk a drag and
she didn't have.
Speaker 1: To double down.
Speaker 3: She could have been like, you know what, I'll open
the gates and let you stroll. I'll make egg On
bend the knee. When she realized that she was wrong,
but she didn't. She doubled down, and now it's bit
her in the butt again.
Speaker 1: Because I think what's changes. I do think honestly, we
don't know what's gonna happen because Eggon is now just
Ryan with Larry's to god knows where. I think before
he got drunk on the dragon, Eggon would not have
bent the knee and relinquished the crown because he was
still Because that's why I think she said. That's why
I still by her saying it's too late, because they
killed a child in their bed. So from their point
of view, it's like, no, I don't care what we're
And at that point they got Vagar. This is before everything,
so it's like at that point it's like they there's
no pitch where now Allison could have a pitch of hey,
look what happened to you? They got seven dragons. There's
a window now for her to go in and say
it is like we can take a step back, relinquish
this and give it to Ranier. Where before with them,
with egg On and Aim and having the upper hand,
there's no pitch Alison could have made because they would
just say, well, we'll just kill them all, especially with Vagar, right,
So I feel like that's what things have changed. It
is a powerderynamic. Yeah you can argue that because they're
on the losing side, but that's why you get the
pitch now right as well. Instead of us losing our lives,
we could just lose our pride, you know. And I
guess Eggon's head, you know, he has to die, but
like we can, we can make it. I guess. No,
Allison wasn't pitching the head, she was just pitching the
bent knee and stuff. But I think that's why because
they've had so many losses, maybe other than Aimen, because
Aiman's just because even look at fucking Kris and Cole,
He's like death would be pretty good right now. He's like, yeah,
he's given up and like he's not wrong. Like this
is why I actually liked the characters. Like the second
the dragons started fighting, it's like, we don't really matter
in the grand scheme of things, right, to make little
moves and do things, but at the end of the
day it goes down to dragon war. What can they
do nothing? So even Cole has been like, we're probably
just gonna lose this. I think that's why other than Amen,
Amen will go down with the fucking ship, he ain't
been in the need of nobody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like you highlighting my gosh, you were
before Aimons Kristen Cole, I I like highlighting those like
that moment. I feel like that's why I love this
episode so much, is we really had moments of I
think maturity and like it goes so far as to
say wisdom from like pretty much all like all of
our main characters here, Like I already shouted it. Like
the Helena moment, I felt like that was just like
a really interesting perspective that she had of like even
just standing up to Amon, like Aiman is a terrifying individual.
I love that sequence when he's like in tears, the
way that he's like pitching this this thing to Helena
and she just like pushes back, like what if I
don't do it? Because I'm not gonna do it, and
then just like leans into him, Sir Christen's coal like
admitting that like you know, his uh, his chasing of
the women really like been a curse for him, like
basically just admitting that, like he's a weak man for
those reasons, and and then he.
Speaker 1: Just so what though, But he's like, yeah, they're probably
all through in that. Yeah, but all men are crept
in and like he he's got he's just such like
an email right now like we're all we're all terrible
people and kind of convinced. Alison's brother he just gets.
Speaker 2: Its a similar conversation that just Saries has with with
his wife right like, and I love that sequence too,
when she's just like like why are you pouting? Like
fucking man up, like everybody, like you know, my master's there, yeah, exactly,
like most of the loyal lines or whatever the hell
they said, the lord's sire is not your real father,
Like that's probably majority of the case across the realms.
Like it's not feeling bad for yourself and just fucking
go stand by your mother. Like I loved all of
those little moments that we have with those dude, you.
Speaker 1: Can write it and like just suck it up now.
You know.
Speaker 2: The conversation between Alison and Ranier as well, Like I
thought both of them were making really compelling arguments and
like Alison being at this point Ranier's perspective of being
like why like why are you doing this now? What?
Like why would you think that I would forgive you,
and Alison is just like, well, I didn't know any
better at the time, Like I'm telling you that I've
gone through all these moments and have been like thinking
about this stuff pretty much this whole season, Like when
she's going off to the woods and just thinking about
all these terrible decisions that could have been avoided, and
she's at this point, she's just tired and she's like,
I don't even give a shit if history paints me
a villain, Like I just want to go and be free.
And it just felt very human and real, and I
think this episode was just littered with those moments, and
that's why I think of it so highly. However, they're
like some of my cons I think would have just
been like we're getting to the battle, We're going to
hairn Hall, and we're just we're not at hair In Hall.
Like super Mike Cat in the comments earlier, it's like, well,
least season premiere.
Speaker 1: Next.
Speaker 2: Next season's to have a lot of hype building up
to it. I'm sure that teaser trailer is gonna be crazy.
They gotta have the like a Prayer Madonna epic Deadpool
version on that teaser trailer.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The other thing I thought was a super bold
move was Alison pitching Raniera to just also run away
with her and her daughter. I was like, man, that's.
Speaker 2: A very similar to Sir christen A in the first
season when when he's pitching little Riniera like let's just
go be Fisherman and she's like, what the.
Speaker 1: Queen, You're an idiot and you could have just done
like again another character who could just avoid everything. He
could have just stuck with Raniera because he just ended
up doing the same thing with als and so, which
was kind of funny. When Ranier, I like threw that
ship at Alison. I'm like, oh, and you've made some
transgressions and she's like yeah, and so of you like
don't don't even try to like ut do like get
the high ground on me for and like they literally
did the same transgression of like Sir Cole, like Ranier's
another one's too, but it's like literally they've been with
the same man. So it's like I did, like Allison
just like just got the bullshit, like if we're both
fucking around, like no one's being almost like Cole too, right,
like no one's really who they say they are no
one's being lowyal like, they're doing what they are supposed
to do and then what they want to supposed to
do as far as their leading or their title, and
then they want to do as far as there's stuff
on the side with random people and everything. But yeah,
I I guess that also shows how much of a
like Obviously they're not friends now, but the still yearning
for a friendship. They wish that was at least Allison
like pitching we're near, like you can just come with us,
and it would have been wild, look like because we're near.
A pause for a second, then said, oh no, I
can't do that, but it would have been while the
thing who just comes back and Nier is gone and
it's just like we're near an Alison are just somewhere
off in the woods, just floating in the lake, you know.
Speaker 2: All these bastards on dragons. He's like, yeah's been going on.
Speaker 1: And it's a complete role reversal too, because Alison, and
that's what I like too, where she's like, oh, I
studied all these books and everything that you didn't care for,
or she was the person that wanted to be more
included in this type of stuff. I don't know if
she want to be with Vissarius per se, which I
did like that emission too, where she said like, yeah,
we loved each other, but your mother was the love
his life still right, like it didn't matter how much
I was around, that was the case. But what I
liked is the swap of we're near a young we're near.
I was like, I don't want anything to do with
the crown, Like I'm gonna go out there, I'm gonna
do my own thing. I'm just waiting till my dad
has a boy and then I can fuck off. And
now look at her older, she's like, I have to
do right by the crown. My father have to do this,
where alisons their verse too. Now she's the one that like,
let's just get out of here and just go live. Yeah,
let's go make some pies, let's catch some fish. Let's
just no one's gonna know her name. Let's let's run.
Where before she was very you know, you know, had
to uphold what Otto was saying, or Vasarius was saying,
or whoever was telling her what to do. Right, So
they've completely done a one eighty both character. They pretty
much swapped places, which I think was kind of the
point of the last shot of the show was showing
them both standing somewhere like on a mountain looking out.
I feel like it's a show. Well, I'll also show
Allison it's just kind of fucked because again I hope
she should just run away, but I feel like AM's like, no,
no mother, which that's where for me. We finally got
that scene of them yell each other. I wish it
was like still five minutes longer. They almost got to
the point, so I was glad they got to that
where she just pretty much said like you're whenever you lose,
you get angry and taket on the little people, and
you do that just because you've been embarrassed your whole life,
obviously probably referring back to the eye, right. So I
feel like I wanted a little bit more, but I
got what I wanted, and they say it for finale,
So I felt like that was a pro for me.
Even though it was like a home run. It was like, Okay,
we won the game on this story that I wanted.
But I still think there's meat on the bone that
they could have really I think that could have been
like a top tier season scene and it just end
up being like a good you know check mark. So, uh,
that's like a and I break when we're right back
and we're back to we want to go next? Been
quiet over there?
Speaker 3: Oh well, I'm honestly was hoping that we've got a
little bit more between Alisons and Helena, and Helene is
like where do we go? And then Damon just walks
in and grabs her arm and it's like, the crowd
needs you or not? Damon? Amen, Amen the crowd? Yeah,
Damon strolls in, which I like seeing that Helena and
Damon did have like a a moment together. It goes
to show where it's almost like Helena has like got
a three eyed raven vibe going on, but she's just
really really psychic. And people were pointing this out too,
that when uh Corlis's true born son who was originally
married to Raniera, Oh that one right, Yeah, So when
it was the episode where Helene is looking at her
moths and she's or cricket sorry, and she's like these
ones don't sing anymore, and I think it was implying
the death of Sea like Sea Smoke his rider was
Corliss's son, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember we talked about that supposedly in Lord
Dragon's camp bond with somebody else.
Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah, so I think that they were just using
the crickets as a way like, okay, well these like
this guy.
Speaker 1: Died off screen or guy still died, faked his death
and still died.
Speaker 3: Still died. So yeah, she's just she's got the psychic
abilities going on. But what she had that moment with Alison,
I was really rooting for Helena just to be able
to get out of there, because I like her character.
She's she's simple, but when she has those moments where
she's talking shit. I liked it with that moment with
Aim and where he's like, I you know, that's that's
treason us what you're saying. But she just called out
like no, I saw it, what are you gonna do?
You're gonna burn me too, and yah YadA YadA, And
she doesn't want to hurt anyone. She just doesn't want
to be queen. And I like that Alison sees this
younger self in her as well in this reflection, and
I just feel bad for Helena and being out in
the crowds and just being fucking like shit thrown at
her and people freaking out at her, and she has
no real pole, even as queen, she has no real pole.
So it's unfortunate, but it makes an interesting setup for
what's going to happ and I do wonder if we
will get that Damon versus Aimon set up, because she's saying,
you went out and flowed to the void or something,
and you just you were never seen again. That's it.
An Agon was king again. So I don't know where
she's pulling that from, because I don't believe Eggon is
getting back on that throne unless we get to see
Someon five she.
Speaker 2: Said she said Wooden thrown though, right.
Speaker 3: Wooden thrown. That's right, So maybe somewhere else in s
so is he builds a little thing out of trees,
and God's would he's a little king out there.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's got to get back. That's gotta
be the reason Laris is like has him waiting in
the wings, right, just because like we kind of like
I don't know this for sure, but like Allison can't
win this because in Game of Thrones they talk about
there's it's always just men being king Alison Raniera, so
it's like Raniera is not gonna win this, she's not
gonna end up being the queen because it's always just
been a line of kings. And that's why Danny it's like,
oh there are they an accept the female as the leader? Right,
So like Raniera has to lose that on point. And
that's why I think Eggon will get back there one
way or another, because who else would because who else
It's not gonna be her because Game of Thrones proves
there's not been a woman king or queen other until
Sirce does the hostile take over, right, But up in
that point it's everyone's a man, right, so you have
that and what So she gets there, dies and maybe
Jase takes it, But that to me just doesn't make
sense because the lineage.
Speaker 3: But I don't want to say it because I don't
want to ruin anything for you guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't know how that makes sense to me.
Because then also like the Targarian that ned Stark and
Brathy and a Lanster kill like whatever, I think he's
another egg On, Like he has the pure Targarian hair,
So I really don't know, like the mad King, Yeah,
Raniera can't end up on the throne, is all the
thing I'm saying. So that's why I just don't know who.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know if she would if she
doesn't up on the throne. You make a good point,
but I will say, like.
Speaker 1: She might sit there, but she ain't gonna who.
Speaker 3: When you look at the game of where we're at
with Game of Thrones, her line is definitely looking pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why I just don't know, Like, yeah,
I'm just curious. I guess Jace could die. Maybe it's
one of their kids, like Damon and kids.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, that's the thing, and I don't believe we
know that they I can't fucking talk with Jay's They
were putting it into the forefront, his his as not
his ancestry, but his inheritance. I guess as well, I'll
put it like his bastard heritage. So that's coming into
the forefront. And if you eliminate him. Next in line
is that these true errors Damon and son when you
when you look at things, and like I get, I
don't know how it's gonna go for Raniera. I have
no idea with that. I have no idea how.
Speaker 1: It's Goin's just gonna die in battle and then.
Speaker 3: Those those sons that they have, and again those three
eggs have become Denarius's. Uh that is you can kind
of see it your Jackson towards.
Speaker 1: Which apparently I think in the books, so that that's
not those egg things doesn't happen, I guess because George
Mrtin was like, he's like, well, the books are their
own thing and the shows are their own thing, because
I think he was like no, no, no, like those.
Speaker 3: Aren't the records to record this.
Speaker 1: So yeah, oh man, you said something there I wanted
to touch upon.
Speaker 3: We're talking about bastard heritage, Jase, you're talking.
Speaker 1: About aim Oh, that's what I want to bring up.
It's funny that in season two both Aimin and Damon
were told that they're gonna die, and like in a
way of how they're gonna die right again, how these
characters are linked. The Witch is like, hey, you're gonna
die here in Aaron Hall, and then his sister been like, yeah,
you're gonna get killed and Nagon's gonna be king again
and everything. So they've bought in both these characters who
are similar hot heads, and Aimon hasn't had his come
to Jeez have been told Yeah, like you're you're not
winning this like the you know, whatever happened in the war.
You're not the main focus here, which I think Damon
wanted to be. Now he's not Aimon for sure still
wants to be the main focus here. And uh, we'll
see what happens because he has that other brother, and
then I don't think he's got Helena's dragon, so they're
gonna have to figure something out. But I still think
like am is gonna have a couple of tricks up
his sleeves because they did get Lanister got that, uh
that blockade open for them, right, so I guess that is.
Speaker 3: A good blockade is not open yet, but it's gonna
open or something, right, Yeah, hopefully be a battle. We
get to see. He had to fuck all that woman's
wives to give her.
Speaker 1: Son, had to I think he was happy about it.
He's like, how many women wives do you have?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he looked a little scared. I don't know.
I think he was intimidated by her, and it's like
any why why why?
Speaker 3: I don't know why. She like she could have picked
so many better.
Speaker 1: A lot of money. Yeah, they're like the second.
Speaker 3: Most bastard children, so it doesn't mean anything for her though,
to have these.
Speaker 1: Well as you've seen and so yeah, yeah, I think
it is literally just a genes. I don't think she's
looking for like to rule land. But technically we have
seen that bastards can come to play when certain lines die, right.
Speaker 3: Only if you have dragons, well no.
Speaker 1: But just even other heritages and stuff like that, right,
like they make a play and everything like that. So like,
technically Jason's a bastard, but like he's still gonna be
king right if it were to go that way, right,
He's were near his some but he's not, like he
shouldn't have all the Valerian like deeds and like none
of that shit should go to him, but it is right,
So it's like, eh, And that's the other scene. I
don't know where we're going in season three with these characters.
I've been iffy about it, but really I can't remember
this the Sea Snake's bastard son speaking of.
Speaker 2: Bastards and fuck, I know where you're going.
Speaker 1: I I yeah, I really like that scene of just
telling him just like fuck off, like because the whole
season we've got like he doesn't want anything of his dad,
he doesn't want a title. He doesn't want money, he
wants nothing, and it's kind of like, okay, like maybe
she's that classic. It's like a jo on snow, I
don't want And then when he makes that pitch, but
like the same thing makes his pitches like you come
to me after your three children and wife have died,
go fuck yourself, Like I don't want anything from you.
I'll take you know, the orders, everything, but what I
don't want is your help. And just seeing like this
these thing doesn't really have an argument against that because
he's right. Maybe it is just a timing and it's
just a predicament where he would have cared for him
either way. But still that I actually end up liking
that character a lot after that scene because that, to me,
gave that character a backbone to show. Like you got
his brother who's all about like he wants to be
a part of the Queen's you know, Corey, he's got
a dre and he wants a higher tier. This guy's
just happy to like live his life and he's like,
I've done this all by myself. I would still prefer
to do it by myself. Just leave me the hell alone.
So really liked that scene by both actors there.
Speaker 2: It's funny. I knew where you're going, but that's definitely
not where I am A line. Oh, I thought, I'm like,
why the fuck do we have this character in the season?
Like it was it was hinted to have some tension
between the three and been rainyes, and then that just
that interaction never happened because she she perished in the fires.
But like, I don't know, I think it's mostly just
I agree. I think the scene was good amongst the
two characters, but I'm just just like, really, like is
this it is this? It like like going forward? Are
we gonna keep following this character? And like his journey now?
Speaker 1: I think so he's a he's part of the war
now right, he's with the sea snakes. I feel like
they're gonna have he's gonna be lean some ships.
Speaker 2: So I think I think it. I think it just
bummed me because it took away screen time throughout the
entire season for these moments when I could have had
it with other characters that I was more interested in,
so that I just wasn't really satisfied with that. But
you do bring up some good points, and I do
agree Superman Mike in the chat said his name is Adam. Oh, yeah,
I his brother's Adam Adam.
Speaker 1: Which totally off topic. I forgot to bring this up
during gold Geeks twenty twelve, but I'm gonna forget about
so I'm gonna make it record here, Taylor, did you
catch one? The character's name in American Mary was named Alan,
doctor Alan Grant. Go IMDb this and then about off air,
but someone said doctor Alan Grant. I was like, what
the fuck? But yeah, okay, Alan Adam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so same canon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh I don't even see this. No him, he's
Alan Grant.
Speaker 1: Oh is it the dad doctor the assaulter? Yeah? Oh damn.
The apple far very fell, very far from the tree.
Speaker 3: There by my boy Samuel Dirty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so a little go check out the twenty twelve
Golden Keys coming out. We talk about American Mary. But yeah,
I agree with you, kirking More. I don't know what
more is left. But that's where this to me is
kind of like I liked as an end point to
the story. But at the same time, it's not like
it won me over for all the rest of the show.
But I do think he will be around next year
or whatever next season and me and because his brother
is still around, right, so he has ties to multiple characters.
Now you know his dad he's thinking of his brother
is gonna hopefully become a night. So I feel like
there's lots of things that could be done there and
also shout out, because I'll forget shout out to like
the comedic bastard who has a dragon. I think the
actor's doing some great comedic timing work, like when he
sees Oh, Jays, you're the like, he's mouthed off like
what do you think boy? And then well, this is
the prince. I mean, he gets his feet off the table,
runs over and hugs him. He's like, oh, I've heard
about your hair being so black, which is like, I'm
sure Jason doesn't like that as a compliment, but I
think that bad. I can't remember his name, but the
bastard who is the more comedic one's right, yeah, ulf
I'm enjoying the actor and I think how much he
was in it tonight is like the right amount. I
don't think you want to overdo it with him, so.
Speaker 2: I think it was a couple of tablespoons too much
for me. Yeah, I I appreciated the dynamic shift of
having a character like that that it just has never
lived a life of like luxury or like in royal prisence.
I think it was just one two scenes too, Like
the dinner sequence. I was just kind of cringing when
Rainier's I think I just respect for near too much
and like, throw some damn respect on your under name
and come on, man, just trying to tell a toast
and he's just being obnoxious. But dragon tongue there you go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm not a I like the character back
when he was in the tavern, and I like the
the other wiser.
Speaker 2: Targari yet the blacksmith guy, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: He's definitely super awesome. He's apologizing. He does not have
the manners of quote and all that stuff. But I
think that olf is his humor works just a little bit.
But for the most part, I really don't like the
just banging it your head against it again and again
and again, the same humor. I just ever since we
got it with Jas, that was it. I could I
could laugh at that, That's fine, but then consistently going
throughout the dinner time again and again and again the
same thing, even at the end when he's just calling
him out, like oh you need a little more humor
in here or whatnot. This is not the crowd to
do that, and it's it's tense too. It makes me
wonder what's gonna happen because when he throws that quick
line of shade towards her, you see the guards kind
of blurred in the background where one steps forward and
pulls his sword up a little bit like to heel.
Speaker 1: He didn't say after it was a joke though, right,
you know he's like, oh, no, you guys have humor here.
So I don't think he was actually because he was like, oh,
she said some lying like all you have to do this,
and he's like, well, i'll do it when you make
me a night. But I did think he's just like
a guy that sticks his foot in his mouth. But
he's not gonna be long for this world, I don't
think so. No, yeah, yeah, anything else we haven't touched
upon character wise or scene wise.
Speaker 2: Brother, I was going, he's getting chummy with Sir Kristen
at the end.
Speaker 1: I didn't like how that scene played out. I like
Cole's monologue, but it was just very random. Haven't checked
in with him in two three episodes, and just like
you're fucking my sister and you're gonna minute and you're
gonna go to the wall and everything. He's like, yeah,
I am, and then he gives a spiel. So I
like the spiel. I just thought that set up was
weird also to do in front of all the guards
and everyone's just like, watched this go down. It's supposed
to be okay. So I was fifty to fifty on
that scene. So and a fifty to fifty on Allison's
brother is still too I need more from that character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's been as satisfying as I
thought it was going to be to have him in here.
I thought he was going to be a lot more
of a wild card might be an extreme word for him,
but just like like someone that really shakes up the
dynamic of like Kristin Cole. I guess since his inclusion
into this show so far, like we had the Rooks
Rest battle and Sir Christen just hasn't been the same
since then. So I think I was needing a character
to get Kristin Cole into a place like that, but
because that event happened, it's like, Okay, I guess we
just don't really need Allison's brother here, So I don't know.
I'm hesitant to say it's a waste of a new character,
but hopefully some more stuff happens. But I don't know
for how they ended off here. It just I don't
see anything really interesting or crazy happening, I guess unless
Auto comes into play and see what that dynamic would
be amongst those two. Dad locked up, you know, because
he's already got daddy issues, it seems right, he's always
been jealous of Alison, kind of being Auto's favorite. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Super Mike says about that comedic other turn to make
him the Braun of the show. Well, he'll know, be Braun.
Braun is fucking phenomenal, So that's always so good. Yeah,
that ain't gonna happen, but uh, you know, I like
him enough still for me.
Speaker 2: Like the most comedy I think in this entire season
was actually the Lanister guy with with that chick. I
just wasn't expecting it to be so funny, and I
felt like his whole moment was. It was just like
a comedic breath for especially just like thinking about like
episode one, we got like a child get decapitated to
like at the end the finale of that very same season,
I'm like laughing over this guy just doing mud fights
with this chick, and uh yeah, she just wants his jeans.
I thought she was she aways wanted getting pregnant. And
then she's like, well you sleep with my wives.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was good. You know, it looks like she's
getting her dragon right. Finally that's something where it's like,
you know what, just give me two scenes in the
finale that was way too drawn out. I just I
just felt like that was a waste for me. It's like,
I got it yet, we're doing but I don't need
to see her sleeping. And the next thing, she's walking
and running.
Speaker 3: Just like inhaling water from the river, just about to die.
Speaker 2: That acting when she sees the dragon kind of made
me laugh too. She just looked like I don't know,
I don't know, like she's in a drenochrome or something.
Just just reaction was like too too much. But uh
so that dragon dud, Like do we know that dragon?
Because I was talking to someone at work about this
and I don't know if it's like a spoiler or something,
but like what this dragon might be? Do you guys
know anything?
Speaker 1: No? This is just like a random dragon.
Speaker 2: Well, like I was told, I don't know if this
is legit, but it's like the theory that I heard
with that this is actually egg On the Conqueror's dragon,
like the egg On the Conqueror and then he's just
been fucking off ever since Eggon died. He looked pretty
charred like that dragon. Actually, he looked like someone that
had been on the barbecue a little bit too long.
But I don't know, I am curious to.
Speaker 1: What, like, like, like, egg On, what.
Speaker 2: Do you got for me? Okay, yeah, very curly little
fingernails he's got there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what he does look pretty charred.
Speaker 2: But in some battles I think I'm I think what
you said, Travis, it's like a bit of a waste
of her just being like, there's a dragon around these pots.
Then it's like, Okay, I know what's gonna happen here,
And then what we get wasn't super satisfying. But I
think I'm just more so excited to see her be
more included in the show, because she's really been on
the back burner this season. But dragons always good.
Speaker 3: They're in the book, the Fire and Blood Book. There
are three known wild dragons that fly around Dragonstone, Gregos
the Cannibal and sheep Stealer, and this is supposed to
be sheep Stealer apparently. Okay, so there's some two other
dragons that are wild and flying around.
Speaker 2: The person's lying, yeah, there you go tell them beat
them up on one.
Speaker 3: Day conquers fucking dragon, which I'm pretty sure Eggons dragon
was like the biggest one, isn't that like the skull
that's in King's landing.
Speaker 1: I thought it might be.
Speaker 2: That makes more sense because when I saw it, I'm like, really, Eggon,
Like that's that's the best you got, egg On the conqueror,
that's what he's got.
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, that is Baleri and the Dread. That's Eggons.
Oh okay, dragon, that's the Salling Kings.
Speaker 2: And like they were making a big point of emphasis
that like there was a massive dragon like in in
the wild that they're insinuating. Was this dragon? It didn't
seem I mean it's a dragon, but didn't seem as
large as some other ones we've seen stuff to compare
when you've seen Vega, I guess yeah.
Speaker 1: Other than that, yeah, I don't think I have anything else,
nothing pressing.
Speaker 3: Do I have anything else, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got notes.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: I will give this whole season an eight out of ten.
Think some big highs, great character moments, great acting, great writing. Overall,
I think there's some patiing issues here and there some
moments that, as we talked about, whether it's this episode
or other episodes in the past, it didn't quite work
for me. And yeah, like I said, I think it
was a good finale, but not oh this again they
I'll walk it back. Good episode. Don't know if it's
a good finale in the sense of just leaving you,
like just dying for more. But because of their track
record right now, of course I'll be there for season
three and I'm very excited for it. But yeah, I
think season one, I think I gave like a nine
or nine point five. I think my problem was season one,
as I said before, was like we skipped over a lot,
and there was many times where I just felt, hey,
we could have gone two to three seasons of just
this timeframe, and they went very fast, and I think
sometimes that hurt the show. Where this I don't think
this had that as much. But I don't think this
one was as strong or has as strong moments as
that one. I think there was a couple episodes that
usually I think there's always a good episode in or sorry,
a good moment in an episode. Don't get me wrong,
but I just think season one stands out more of
Almost every week I was like on the edge of
my seat, where are there some seats? Some week I
was like comfortably seated in my seat, you know, sit back.
I didn't have a problem with it, but I can
see why some people had a problem with like Damon's storyline,
because it is like the hopefully resolution to him being
on her side. But I saw that as the most complaint.
I just get him out of this fucking castle already, man.
So yeah, an eight had ten for me for this season.
Speaker 2: I agree. I think I'm gonna give of this season
eight out of ten as well. I a little bit
of a letdown compared to what Season one had, especially
just like coming off of Game of Thrones and the
sourness of how that show ended for me, and then
coming to the show, it's like, Okay, I like the trailers,
but like, really, like can they can they recapture the
Game of Thrones isms and all the highs that that
show has, and I really felt like that first season
just like totally surpassed my expectations and having really really
hyped so of course I was expecting more of the
same here, and I think there were some moments that
had reached like that level, but for the season as
a whole, kind of disappointed. In the long run, I
think just taking a lot of time to get characters
to do certain things that we know they're gonna do,
but it's just I don't know, we got to really
stretch it out to get there, and I mean we're
even stretching out to another season now to actually get
some interactions between the Greens and the Blacks and the
hair and Hill all folks. So yeah, but overall the
showstid really great, So I'm really really looking forward to
next season. And yeah, just great performances to across the board.
Almost I feel like I highlighted it throughout this episode,
but wanted to just double down. It's just really really,
really solid performances. And I feel like Emma Darcy really
had more moments to shine in the season compared to
the first season. I guess she did share half of
the screen time with Millie Alcock and in that.
Speaker 1: Season, I still feel like she had more moments last year. Yeah,
that is a good point.
Speaker 2: I didn't rewatch the first season coming into it, so
maybe I'm misremembering some of those things, but I don't know. Good,
it's good still across the board.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think I think the first season had
some more hyped up stuff that just made me feel
like we're back in Game of Thrones. This is just
felt like it's been eight episodes of building up to
something that we still haven't gotten yet. Well, we've gotten
impulsive moves on one character's account, Aimen just trying to
incite and do carnage and everything like that, and we
got one big battle, but a lot of other battles
have just kind of been missed. But I think that
the season has just been a testament to Vernier's character
as a queen that does not want to wage war
and is trying to do the right thing. And I
can appreciate that level of development for her character. But
there's just been a lot of things that have just
been a little sluggage throughout the season. But there's some
been things that have gotten me hyped and excited. So
that's definitely gonna be there no matter what. But I'm
gonna probably go I wanted to go in eight, but
I think I'm just gonna go, like I'm gonna pull
one of the third here seven and three quarters point
seventy five on this because there's just a lot, a
lot that's necessarily pulling me. We got a lot of
lulls at Heron Hall. We got a lot of just
like you said, Kirkle, a lot of lulls with the Halls,
the bastards.
Speaker 1: He said it exactly like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's just kind of like a it's a
takeaway for me.
Speaker 1: So yeah, oh, very old as jem and I guess uh,
I think we'll be back for Night of Seven Kingdoms, right,
We're gonna give that shot. I think people'll be there
see what this night's up to in the Seven Kingdoms apparently,
I think it happens. I've been told one hundred years
after House of Dragons and one hundred years before House
of Dragons, So I'm not sure if this show's just
like just kind of spoil everything, but at the end
of day, we kind of know how some things go.
But uh, yeah, we'll be there for that. And of
course when House Dragon returns, we will be there for that.
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