WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.400 Big Food and on with Cliff and Bubo. These guys 2 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:13.199 are your favorites, so like to say subscribe and rade. 3 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:16.199 It five star and. 4 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:24.879 Greatest gone yesterday listening watching Limb always keep its watching. 5 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.399 And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. 6 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:32.920 Hey, Cliff, we got a great guest. 7 00:00:32.719 --> 00:00:34.960 Today, Yes we do. This is one we've been looking 8 00:00:34.960 --> 00:00:36.640 forward to for a long time. 9 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:37.479 Yeah. 10 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:39.560 I don't even want to find out what's going on 11 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:41.000 with you or tell what's going on with me, man, 12 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:42.600 I just want to jump right into this one, so 13 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:46.280 uh exactly. Yeah, why don't we just not waste anybody's 14 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:48.840 time and just bring it in. So our guest today 15 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:52.039 is a legend in bigfooting and I can always call 16 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:54.240 him the second generation. You know, it's not quite it's 17 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:57.520 not the four Horsemen level, although this gentleman worked with 18 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:00.159 all of the horsemen and many many more, probably of 19 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:02.439 the unsung heroes that don't get the credit they deserve. 20 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:05.439 So he kind of a second generation as far as 21 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:08.560 bigfoot goes. But you know enough of me, man, This 22 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:11.519 is Rick Nole. We have Rick Knowl on the podcast today. Rick, 23 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:14.239 thank you so much for spending some time with Bobo 24 00:01:14.319 --> 00:01:15.120 and I today. 25 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:18.640 Thanks, y Hey, how's it going all right? 26 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:19.200 Yeah? 27 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:21.120 You are a man of few words, so we're going 28 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:22.640 to do the best we can to get you talking 29 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:25.719 on this one. I've always I've known you for a 30 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:27.680 long time. I'm not Cassie. I know you very well, 31 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:31.519 but we've certainly crossed paths many times. And you're a 32 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:33.719 man of few words and kind of quiet and in 33 00:01:33.760 --> 00:01:36.319 the background. And I do have a great amount of 34 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:39.799 respect for people with your temperament and bigfoot. But you've 35 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:43.640 been bigfooting since the late sixties. Is that accurate? 36 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:49.319 Yeah, yep. I started off down in Olympia when they 37 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:52.040 were the first time they tried to change the state 38 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:56.120 animal to bigfoot. Dick Grover tried to do that, and 39 00:01:56.159 --> 00:02:00.840 he had this old style wooden piano down on capital 40 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:05.200 steps in Olampia and nobody was playing it, but on 41 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:08.520 top of it where these bigfoot casts. And he would 42 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:14.840 stop senators or whatever they the representatives were, their titles, 43 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:18.719 walking up down the steps to show them the cast 44 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:23.120 and say, we really want to have this animal protected, 45 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:24.520 and the best way to do that is to make 46 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:28.199 it the state for the state animals. That's what got 47 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:29.360 me interested in the beginning. 48 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:32.319 But did you see this on TV or in person 49 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:32.919 or no? 50 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:34.879 It was a news article, And so I went down 51 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:36.960 there and then I met up with him. And then 52 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:39.840 the next thing that happened was there was a sighting 53 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:42.639 pretty close to my house. A kid and his girlfriend 54 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:46.719 were driving a truck their parents, his parents' truck, and 55 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:50.120 it had one of those racks and they put ladders 56 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:55.479 in it stuff. Yeah, And he claimed that they saw 57 00:02:55.800 --> 00:03:00.360 a bigfoot across the road and run into a sign 58 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:02.840 and bend it with their hand and the hand was 59 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:06.520 not lifted up or anything that was the height of 60 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:08.840 the of the hand on the end of the arm. 61 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:11.400 Grover came down for that too, and then he introduced 62 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:13.680 me to a project Discovery and then they saying one thing, 63 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:16.080 went to another and got more and more involved. 64 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:17.879 You're a high school kid, weren't you. 65 00:03:18.199 --> 00:03:22.560 At that time? Yeah? Yeah, I was. I was a boy. 66 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:25.280 That was just that. 67 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:27.800 I think that was my last year in high school. 68 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:30.039 Is that the same That must be the same sign 69 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:32.719 that Mark Marcel is now working hard to recover. 70 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:35.400 Could be at scratch marks on the back. 71 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:38.520 Yeah, yeah. And this person lived out and I think 72 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:41.199 in Randall or something. I think Mark finally tracked the 73 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:43.080 person down is living in Randall, but he had a 74 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:45.840 tumultuous life and I think he abandoned the house where 75 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:48.080 the sign was in the front yard as the last 76 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:51.280 we heard so, but Mark has the address and he's wondering, well, 77 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:52.360 maybe somebody still has it. 78 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:58.400 Who knows they could. But on my investigation of it, 79 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:02.240 the parents loaned them the truck and there was damage 80 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:05.680 under the truck, and the kid was late, and the 81 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:09.520 parents of the girl was upset that they were out 82 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:11.800 so late. I don't know what they were doing, but 83 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:15.520 it wasn't bigfoot hunting at the time until they came 84 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:18.360 home and said it was bigfoot they saw. And I 85 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:21.879 kind of think that maybe they backed into that sign 86 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:25.279 and hit it with a ladder or something from on 87 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:29.399 top of that that rack, But I don't know. I mean, 88 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:33.079 the scratches were even, they were at an angle, they 89 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:36.759 were curved, but I just don't see fingernails being able 90 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:40.199 to make that, and I don't think bigfoot wears rings. 91 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:43.120 Interesting, So, now, how did you hear about that sighting? 92 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:46.120 I believe that was in report in the news. 93 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:48.680 This is nineteen sixty nine or seventy or something. There 94 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:51.000 was no Internet, there was no collection of reports at 95 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:52.439 that time beyond John Green. 96 00:04:52.879 --> 00:04:58.240 I think someone heard it and they contacted the SEATTLEPI 97 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:00.160 that was the newspaper. 98 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:02.759 So that you met. When you said Grover came down? 99 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:05.639 Where you talking about Dick Grover or Grover Krantz, Dick Grover, 100 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:09.600 Dick Grober? Okay, and what who is he? I'm not 101 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:11.720 familiar with that name, but it sounds like I've heard 102 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:12.879 it before. I just can't place it. 103 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:15.360 Well, that was his claim to fame. And so when 104 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:20.360 he ever does anything with Bigfoot, he's looking for things 105 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:23.480 that Bigfoot interacts with other than people. So he was 106 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:26.720 looking for signs where it would run into a sign, 107 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:31.720 it would destroy a fence, it would uh leave handprints, 108 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:35.680 it would destroy the clapboards on a house, you know, 109 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:39.160 stuff like that. And so he likes signs. 110 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:41.879 I'm one hundred percent sure. Now Grover is the name 111 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:43.879 that Mark Myrcel was telling me about. He is looking 112 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:46.879 for this sign. I'm one hundred percent sure of that. 113 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:47.079 Now. 114 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:49.399 Now that's finally coming back to me. That's so interesting, 115 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:52.319 and you know that you might ow I didn't even 116 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:56.199 think about this. Now I've been working really hard lately 117 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:59.800 to track down the address of the house that had 118 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:02.079 the uddy handprint on it in nineteen sixty two. And 119 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:04.480 Fort Bragg. You wouldn't be able to help me with that, 120 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:07.839 would you, Rick Fort Bragg? You know that muddy handprint 121 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:09.560 that was on the outside. There's a picture of an 122 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:13.319 artist reconstruction of it in John Green's books that the 123 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:17.480 artist rendition of it was done by Chuck Edmonds, the 124 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:20.000 artist teacher, the art teacher from Ashland, Oregon. 125 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:25.759 That sounds like something that Renee would have. Most of 126 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:31.000 the stuff was surprising. Renee collected a lot of stuff, 127 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:36.160 and John used it in his writings and his books 128 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:40.480 and stuff. John didn't have a lot of physical material. 129 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:43.639 He didn't collect that stuff. He would have it. But 130 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:48.879 if if anybody would collect that, that would be Renee. 131 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:52.079 So probably his his son up in Canada has it. 132 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:54.600 But how did you meet Renee and those guys? 133 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:55.560 Ah? 134 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:58.839 Renee and I get it, man, I can't remember what 135 00:06:58.879 --> 00:06:59.959 I had for breakfast yesterday. 136 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:05.639 Well, I remember all the stories, I just don't remember 137 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:10.519 exactly the first time. Let me see, here's the first 138 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:11.560 time I met John Green. 139 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:13.439 We're gonna go through all of them. You might just 140 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:14.240 whatever you remember. 141 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:14.759 Let us know. 142 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:18.839 Well, I guess the first person I met was actually 143 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:23.920 Peter Burn, so that would be the first person I think. 144 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:28.160 So I was going to college. I had that interest 145 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:33.279 in bigfoot, and I did a paper in anthropology and 146 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:36.560 I saw in the news about Peter Burn having a 147 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:41.800 museum and the Dallas actually it was an information center 148 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:46.480 as really was not a museum, but anyway, I went 149 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:49.680 down there, talked to him, asked him about coming up 150 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:52.920 to talk at the school, and he said, sure, he 151 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:57.240 could do that. He has an actual program that he 152 00:07:57.279 --> 00:08:00.240 can show. So I hooked it all up. Out of 153 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:01.160 them involved. 154 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:02.199 Which college was it? 155 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:07.519 That was Green River Community College. So he gave the 156 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:09.360 talk there and that was pretty cool, and we sort 157 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:11.839 of associated ourselves. We had a little club kind of 158 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:14.519 thing in the college and we would go out and 159 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:17.279 look for stuff we got on the TV. We got 160 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:23.959 on a couple of Northwest TV shows about looking in 161 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:28.759 the woods for Bigfoot, and we would take trips down 162 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:32.399 to see Peter. And I also went with stayed down 163 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:36.200 there with Peter for a little while and when he 164 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:40.279 was still married with d D and we went on 165 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:42.360 a couple of trips, not not a whole bunch, but 166 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:45.480 a couple of trips out in the woods on some 167 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:52.440 called in reports and I drove his vehicle his internationals 168 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:59.960 and what happened was there was a report he wanted 169 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:04.279 me a check on. And at the time I was going, 170 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:10.000 I was in school with David Smith and David Smith 171 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:14.279 I had David and I hooked up way before Peter Burnet. 172 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:19.679 But David and I were contacted and we went out 173 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:22.600 to North Bend because there was some footprints and there 174 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:24.600 was just a couple and they were in the news 175 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:29.360 and they had showed a guy supposedly finding these tracks. 176 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:32.799 And then the next day there was another newspaper article. 177 00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:36.120 So I already knew about this sighting but or not 178 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:42.080 sighting but footprint fie before Peter called us. And the 179 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:46.759 next day there was a guy that had a broken 180 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.639 foot and there was like this weird thing that was 181 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:55.600 attached to the cast underneath his heel sticking out like 182 00:09:55.639 --> 00:10:00.159 a heel on a shoe. I guess because he to 183 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:02.000 wear cowboy boots or something. I don't know, maybe he 184 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:04.799 had to have a heel on the cast so he 185 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:07.679 didn't walk with a limp or something. But I don't 186 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:09.559 know how he broke his foot or anything like that, 187 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:13.799 but they had a picture of his cast facing the 188 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:17.440 camera and him in the background. So the casts looked 189 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:20.720 really huge, his foot looked really huge, and he had 190 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:24.879 three toe sticking out the top. Those weren't cast, and 191 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:28.639 that the footprints in the ground were three toed, they 192 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:31.799 weren't five toed, and they didn't have that little bump 193 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:36.039 in the bottom. But it was kind of sort of similar. 194 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:40.559 I don't know about the size because there was nothing 195 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:42.840 to compare the two. So that was the next day 196 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:46.879 that that picture appeared. I still have the articles, and 197 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:49.559 so I was planning on going out there. I asked 198 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:50.879 David that he wanted to go, and then we got 199 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:53.000 a call from Peter and he says, you need to 200 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:54.879 go out there and check this out because it's getting 201 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:57.759 a lot of news down here. So Dave and I 202 00:10:57.879 --> 00:11:00.799 went out there. We camped, and we ran into Dennis 203 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:04.960 Skates and his buddy Dennis Skates and I forget who 204 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:08.480 the other guy's name used to live in on the 205 00:11:08.519 --> 00:11:12.639 way up to well, it was on highway too. It 206 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:15.480 was in like around concrete or something like that, and 207 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:21.159 they were helping John Greenow to do investigations in Washington 208 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:26.000 State and he Dennis Skates was was a character. But 209 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:29.759 they were trying to cast a track and they destroyed 210 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:32.960 everything they tried to pull it out. They were making 211 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:37.159 fun of us because you know, we said we were 212 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:41.919 with with Peter Burn, and at that time John Green 213 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:46.080 and Peter Burn already hated each other. So I saw 214 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:48.799 their cast. I said, you know, you got a problem 215 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:51.279 with that. I don't think it's going to pull. And 216 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:53.120 they said, we use city seck or you don't know 217 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:55.639 what you're talking about. We know what we're doing. So 218 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:57.799 we left and we came back later and there was 219 00:11:57.879 --> 00:12:00.879 just pieces of the plaster all over the place because 220 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:04.120 it broke when they tried to pull it, and so 221 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:06.519 we just took pictures of it because I didn't have 222 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:08.600 any casting material at the time, so we took pictures 223 00:12:08.600 --> 00:12:13.120 of it. And then we walked around and further up 224 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:15.759 on a dirt road above the river north fork of 225 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:19.720 the Stilly I believe, or not Silly, but whatever that 226 00:12:19.799 --> 00:12:23.440 river is named now. But we walked up above there 227 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:25.159 was a road that went up and there was a 228 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:27.960 flat like there used to be a logging show where 229 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:30.919 they put the Wench and stuff up there, and the 230 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:35.000 trucks would get loaded and there was hundreds of tracks 231 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:37.200 up there, Chris grass all over the place. So I 232 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:40.080 took a bunch of pictures of Dave trying to space 233 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:43.759 himself out on those tracks. Whoever made those tracks, they 234 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:48.679 were pretty long in between. And we came down the 235 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:50.919 road to go back to where we were camped. We 236 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:55.759 had tents and there was Peter and Deedie and another 237 00:12:55.799 --> 00:13:00.759 person that worked with Peter, and they all said, well, 238 00:13:00.799 --> 00:13:03.600 you know what, we're going to stay here and we're 239 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:06.279 going to investigate a little bit. So we all camped 240 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:09.080 and we went back up the next day and Peter 241 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:12.200 went out in the woods, went and looked at some 242 00:13:12.279 --> 00:13:15.000 of the tracks, and he found mouse that was stepped on, 243 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:17.639 and I got a picture of him pulling up a 244 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:23.759 squashed mouse and from the footprint, and then he said, 245 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:25.320 we were going to go and talk to the actual 246 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:27.440 person that found the tracks, and then we're going to 247 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:30.879 talk to the person that had the cast. So we 248 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:34.799 went to the house where this guy lived in North Bend, 249 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:37.360 got in there. We were sitting around his wood stove 250 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:39.919 and he's telling a story and everything, and then we 251 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:42.759 heard a knock on the door and walks John Green, 252 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:48.000 and Peter and John just their whole body shook, looking 253 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:50.559 at each other like like you know, a dog in 254 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.159 a camp. We're about ready to fight. And so we 255 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:56.440 finished up what we were saying and we got out of there. 256 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:00.240 But John got out of the building and waited. Well, 257 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:04.440 we left and then we went over to the other house. 258 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:07.000 That's how we met John Green. That was the first 259 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:07.960 time I met John Green. 260 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:09.879 Did he hold it against you that you were working 261 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:11.080 with Peter at that point or. 262 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:13.480 As he did? He didn't want to talk to me 263 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:16.039 at all, And later on he didn't want to talk 264 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:17.639 to me at all. And then it was only until 265 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:21.480 I met up with Renee and became friends with him 266 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:24.000 that John started worming up to me. 267 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:26.639 Were you a fan of John Green? Yeah? 268 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:28.919 He was. The first books, the first books I read 269 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:32.039 about it was is Big eight and a half eleven 270 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:35.600 by paperbacks, you know, the first the red and the yellow, 271 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:38.600 the yellow one first and the red one on the 272 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:41.840 track of the file of the Sasquatch file. 273 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:43.879 That must have suck, because I mean, like I can 274 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:45.600 imagine like having one of your heroes come in and 275 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:47.159 also he thinks you're a dick right on the bat, 276 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:49.080 just yeah, yeah. 277 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:51.559 Yeah, And you know, and Renee never wrote. Renee hadn't 278 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:56.600 written his book yet, and Grover wasn't involved yet. Peter 279 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:01.000 hadn't written a book yet, and I started seeing flaws 280 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:04.200 in the chink of Peter burn at that time. He 281 00:15:04.279 --> 00:15:08.480 asked me to go to Little Eagle, South Dakota to 282 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:11.000 look into some bigfoot reports back there. And so I 283 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:13.240 went back there and I met up with a guy 284 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:15.600 that wrote a really nasty book. And I can't remember 285 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:18.320 his name, but I have his book and it's a 286 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:21.440 classic now everybody likes it. And I talked to him. 287 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:24.320 He says, so you work with Peter, huh. I go, well, 288 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:26.919 sort of. He asked me to do stuff, you know, 289 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:28.519 And I go out and I investigate farm he can't 290 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:30.759 get everywhere. And I got a phone call from Peter 291 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:33.480 later that night saying, you know, Rick, I need to 292 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:38.840 have I'm being heckled by this character Reneede to hind 293 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:40.799 it and I need to do something about it, and 294 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:43.720 blah blah blah blah. And it ended up where he 295 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:47.360 went to use my name to by having me call 296 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:50.759 Renee from Little Eagle saying I'm going to be at 297 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:52.840 such and such a place. Can you meet me there? 298 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:59.240 And Rene Hardy knew me at all, but he went there, 299 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:03.200 I met Renee. That's that's not when I met him. 300 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.279 So I met Renee. I just don't remember when it 301 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:09.039 might have been. I might have met him at Oh 302 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:11.600 I know where I met him. Okay, there was a 303 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.279 bus driver and Hope that claimed to have a big 304 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:16.879 foot run across the road in front of him, and 305 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:19.919 all these passengers saw it. Turned out to be a fake. 306 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:24.080 So I was there, Renee was. He had just left 307 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:28.600 and we went into Harrison afterwards. I met up with Renee. 308 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:31.840 Then I remember, that's when I met him the first time. 309 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:36.960 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 310 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:45.000 We'll be right back after these messages. So three to 311 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:48.559 six months doesn't seem like a long time right in 312 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:50.759 bigfoot Land. It's not very long because we've been looking 313 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:53.879 for sasquatches for decades and decades and decades. 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Like, was that was it 360 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:07.119 would it be uncomfortable to those early get togethers. 361 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:13.240 Yes, it was. It was pretty uncomfortable at UBC conference. 362 00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:17.799 That's where I first met Grover Krantz and he came 363 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:19.960 in and he was like, matter of fact, this is 364 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:22.160 the gun I would use, this the bullet I would use. 365 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:25.559 And he turned that place into to kill or not 366 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:29.400 to kill and had nothing to do with what the 367 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:32.759 original story was about that conference, you know. And for 368 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:35.359 the time, I didn't have a lot of money and 369 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:38.039 that was like one hundred and fifty bucks to go 370 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:41.599 that thing. And it was years later that they actually 371 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:45.160 produced a book about it and published the papers. That's 372 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:48.920 also the where I met Alan Barry and we listened 373 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:50.640 to the first We were the first people to hear 374 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:53.359 in the Bigfoot community, the other than Alan Berry and 375 00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:58.119 morehead those tapes and we thought that was interesting. I 376 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:01.000 met Bob Gimmin there, Peter Atheson. 377 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:04.799 Real Murderers, Rother that's an all star Hall of Fame lineup. 378 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:09.400 Yeah. I don't think Matt was around at that time. 379 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:10.400 No, he was too young. 380 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:14.160 Yeah. Yeah, I don't think anything in Ohio was going 381 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:17.319 on at that time either. The stuff going down in Texas, 382 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:19.400 Canada was they had. 383 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:20.960 The movie Oh Boggie Creek. 384 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:23.759 Yeah, I think that came out a year later after 385 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:26.720 Roger Patterson's movie or something. 386 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:30.720 That was seventy two seventy three in that zone there, Yeah, 387 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:33.559 the legend of Boggie Creek, so that, but you know, 388 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:36.720 it was reverberating up throughout the nineteen seventies of course, right. 389 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:40.000 Yeah. So I don't think anybody from down there was 390 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:44.039 at this conference. Either was two scientific so Sprague was there. 391 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:45.839 There was a bunch of people that were you know, 392 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:48.119 listened to as scientists. The first time I met Meldrum 393 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:53.279 was at one of the UBC Harrison Hot Springs conferences 394 00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:59.880 and he was really young dead and Steinberg was there also. 395 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:03.759 That's when I met Steinberg and Krantz was there. I 396 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:07.000 got a picture of Krantz with the skull and he 397 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:11.400 liked to shock people with things that he would say. 398 00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:13.640 I don't know why, but hey. 399 00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:16.640 It's that personality. Like you know when that famous clip 400 00:21:17.079 --> 00:21:18.880 is probably in search over one of those you know, 401 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:21.960