1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,759 Speaker 1: What is up, fell Sicko's I am to have Valley 2 00:00:07,759 --> 00:00:10,599 coming at you with my certified fantabulous co host, the 3 00:00:10,599 --> 00:00:13,000 one and only mister Grant Hughes. 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 2: Trade deadline primers roll along. 5 00:00:15,439 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: A good opportunity to talk about transactions, but also gauge 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,839 the pulse of every single team and what's going on 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,559 there before we dive into the Golden State Warriors. Mister 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,160 Grant Hughes, how are you doing? 9 00:00:28,079 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 3: I'm doing very well. I've taken a cue this this 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,520 will release later. But I did just read uh Trey 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,719 Young's outgoing message that he posted. I don't know if 12 00:00:37,719 --> 00:00:40,679 you saw that, but a little couple of petty shots 13 00:00:40,679 --> 00:00:43,439 at the Hawks butt like Trey, I'm moving forward with 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,479 head held high and move head held high and eyes forward. 15 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,479 I think something something to that effect. 16 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,359 Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw where where else? Would 17 00:00:51,359 --> 00:00:53,240 your eyes be like now. 18 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,719 Speaker 3: Like sideways, cross. 19 00:00:55,439 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: Backwards would be would would be disturbing? 20 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:58,439 Speaker 3: Impressive? 21 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's start off by going through the Golden State 22 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,359 Warriors vitals. You have some connection to the Warriors, so 23 00:01:06,359 --> 00:01:07,840 would you like to take us through them? 24 00:01:08,079 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 3: Certainly they're two hundred and sixty five thousand American dollars 25 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,560 beneath the second apron, which was much closer. 26 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: I'd like that. Could you give me that euros please? 27 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 3: Absolutely not? Probably pretty close, I can't. I don't know. 28 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,640 Would you like it pounds British pounds? Do we still? 29 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,560 That's like two to one, three to one. I'm sure 30 00:01:25,599 --> 00:01:29,560 someone will correct us. That's closer than I thought, but 31 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,079 that they're under it, so I guess that's the important part, 32 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,359 which puts them nineteen point two million into the tax 33 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,640 and as such they cannot take back more money than 34 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,680 they send out, so they can trade. However, four up 35 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,079 to four first round picks. Those would be twenty six, 36 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,799 twenty eight, and twenty thirty two. Those can go outright. 37 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,560 Twenty thirty is that weird Wizard's one from the Jordan 38 00:01:50,599 --> 00:01:53,599 Poole scenario that is protected from twenty one to thirty, 39 00:01:54,239 --> 00:01:58,000 so you can trade that share of it. Essentially, they 40 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,799 have no second rounders to trade. One trade exception from 41 00:02:01,879 --> 00:02:04,879 the Kyle Anderson move, which is I guess technically rolled 42 00:02:04,879 --> 00:02:08,680 into the Jimmy Butler trade last I guess last February, 43 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:12,400 which is eight point eight million dollars. That expires though 44 00:02:12,439 --> 00:02:14,360 the day after the trade deadline. So that's that's some 45 00:02:14,439 --> 00:02:20,199 handiwork there. So essentially almost a second Apron team but 46 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,840 not quite, which is a significant difference in terms of 47 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:23,840 what their options are. 48 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: The salary, that's a big deal. 49 00:02:26,759 --> 00:02:29,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that is a big one. So what are 50 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,960 some of the I don't know, like key issues we 51 00:02:33,039 --> 00:02:34,520 want to discuss when it comes to them. 52 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,439 Speaker 1: We got to start here. How much trade value does 53 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,319 Jonathan come and get have Grant hughes? 54 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 3: Uh? The answer is none or some? The answer is 55 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:48,479 not a lot? I can, I can? Is that narrow 56 00:02:48,599 --> 00:02:49,439 enough for you that? 57 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:50,719 Speaker 2: I guess? 58 00:02:50,719 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: The question is there's three buckets. Does he have trade 59 00:02:54,319 --> 00:02:57,199 value as an actual player with upside? Is he Does 60 00:02:57,199 --> 00:02:59,639 he just have trade value because he can be an 61 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,919 XPI contract or does he just have trade value because 62 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,199 the Sacramento Kings exist? 63 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, well they apparently are not interested in putting the 64 00:03:07,879 --> 00:03:09,520 offer on the table that might have been there over 65 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,680 the summer. So I mean low hanging fruit first. Absolutely, 66 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,319 a theoretically expiring twenty two million dollar twenty I can't 67 00:03:18,319 --> 00:03:20,120 remember if it's twenty two this year and twenty four 68 00:03:20,439 --> 00:03:24,800 no guarant team option. Whatever it is that has value 69 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:30,280 just as it represents flexibility. I don't know what that's worth. 70 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:34,439 I mean it it would depend on the team, I suppose. 71 00:03:34,479 --> 00:03:37,240 But so that's a floor, right, And then the problem 72 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,599 with that is like, well, that's valuable to the Warriors too, 73 00:03:39,919 --> 00:03:43,639 I guess because that might be preferable to taking back 74 00:03:43,759 --> 00:03:46,719 something you don't really want for Kaminga. So you know 75 00:03:46,719 --> 00:03:48,479 what I mean, Like in this situation, A lot of 76 00:03:48,479 --> 00:03:52,520 times you might trade the player with Kaminga's contract situation 77 00:03:52,719 --> 00:03:56,960 for longer term money coming back. I don't know if 78 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,840 that's something the Warriors would be interested in and if 79 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,319 that long term, longer term money would be attached to 80 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:08,039 a player that would be helpful. Uh So to me, well, 81 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,039 let me ask you, do you think there's a scenario 82 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:16,120 where the best move for Golden State realistic scenario, the 83 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:20,560 best move is not trading Kaminga and just not picking 84 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:22,120 up the team option for next. 85 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: Year, not if they're trying to be relevant, right, just 86 00:04:27,319 --> 00:04:30,240 because even if you keep Kaminga past the trade deadline, 87 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,519 you have that team option to pick up and then 88 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,480 just use them as an expiring contract over the summer. 89 00:04:35,519 --> 00:04:39,560 Where teams have more flexibility, they themselves can have more flexibility. 90 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:44,000 Depending on what happens with Draymond Green's player option. If 91 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,399 they're going what type, If they're going that route, what 92 00:04:47,959 --> 00:04:49,240 message does that sense? 93 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:49,439 Speaker 3: Well? 94 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:50,439 Speaker 2: Doesn't it kind of say? 95 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:53,759 Speaker 3: Sorry? Do you think this is kind of a sub 96 00:04:53,879 --> 00:04:56,920 question that's very much related. Do you think that if 97 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,600 Kaminga is on the Warriors past the trade deadline that 98 00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:02,920 they would pick up that team option and try to 99 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,160 just basically do the same thing again next year with 100 00:05:06,319 --> 00:05:09,199 where he's here to be traded, Like can you? Because 101 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,839 to me, it's hard to envision a scenario where it's like, like, 102 00:05:11,879 --> 00:05:14,519 what's the what set of circumstances have to happen for 103 00:05:15,519 --> 00:05:21,639 the twenty twenty seven trade deadline? At that point, Kaminga 104 00:05:21,759 --> 00:05:24,160 is like, oh now he is movable, Like what, Like 105 00:05:24,199 --> 00:05:25,199 how does that? What's that? 106 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,199 Speaker 1: I think at that point you're still just hoping that 107 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,920 because he's the type of expiring contract that you would 108 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,360 hope you could step ladder your way to something else 109 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:34,639 because he just. 110 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:36,959 Speaker 3: Go a full year without playing ever again, Like you 111 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,720 know what I mean, He's like he's not playing now. 112 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,560 It's just I just I lean towards like they'll just 113 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,399 not pick up the team option and let him leave 114 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:46,600 because I don't I think, do another year of this. 115 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: That will be one of the And it's not just 116 00:05:48,959 --> 00:05:50,759 because they made that decision. I want to be clear, 117 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,959 that would be one of the most grotesquely misused asset 118 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,720 approaches of all time because it's this guy had trade 119 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,600 value for like some semblance of trade value for years. 120 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,680 You decided to wait until he was off his rookie scale, 121 00:06:04,079 --> 00:06:06,240 and now you're gonna so that you what conduct the 122 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,959 tax next year because with him on the books, I 123 00:06:08,959 --> 00:06:11,399 think as of now, and that's before filling out the 124 00:06:11,399 --> 00:06:15,319 rest of their roster, they are like eleven and a 125 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,040 half million dollars into the tax and that's what eleven 126 00:06:18,079 --> 00:06:21,240 players projected to be on the book. So that doesn't 127 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:22,959 I mean, I guess if you want to use your 128 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,319 mid level exception and think you could get someone better 129 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,759 than Jonathan kaminga sure, but if you're doing that, there 130 00:06:29,759 --> 00:06:33,480 better be some type of wholesale rebuild going on in 131 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:34,199 Golden State or so. 132 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know. 133 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: I get what you're saying too, because it's you just 134 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,920 view this contract that is immovable, so you have this 135 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,800 distraction who's not playing and they're expensive. But I would 136 00:06:44,879 --> 00:06:47,680 have to imagine in the era of aprons, if you 137 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,240 were willing to go into the tax having just that 138 00:06:51,319 --> 00:06:57,759 expiring copy. Even I guess to your point, how underwhelming 139 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,800 are the offers out there for It's not I don't 140 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,079 even look at this as what are the offers for Kaminga. 141 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 2: It's what can Golden. 142 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: State get for the salary and the draft picks that 143 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,759 they have to offer. If you can't do anything with 144 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,959 Cominga to make any upgrades to your roster, I would 145 00:07:13,079 --> 00:07:16,040 question how hard you're searching for upgrades. And again, it's 146 00:07:16,079 --> 00:07:20,000 not about Cominga so much as there are players who 147 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,639 you can get, you're just choosing not to get them. 148 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:24,360 And so if you let the Cominga deal just come 149 00:07:24,399 --> 00:07:28,079 off the books, you've decided you prefer financial savings over 150 00:07:28,199 --> 00:07:31,480 upgrading the personnel, and look relative to the personnel that 151 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,519 who may be gettable. Maybe that's a conversation, but you 152 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,319 can't sit here and then pretend that you're trying to 153 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,480 do right by Steph at all. 154 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,079 Speaker 3: Right if you drive down that path, No, I think 155 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,319 that's fair. I wanted to back up a little bit 156 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,600 and ask ask you so because I'm on the record 157 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,519 as like I have a hard time, obviously with the 158 00:07:51,519 --> 00:07:53,759 benefit of hindsight, Like, yeah, you should have traded him 159 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,560 a half dozen different times over the last like two 160 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,199 or three years, because his value is just it's hard. 161 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,759 His values has not been lower than it is right now. 162 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,600 So obviously it was a mistake to not trade him. 163 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:08,439 But I have been on the record several times having 164 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:13,279 said I can't really pile on the Warriors because like 165 00:08:13,399 --> 00:08:18,040 I personally, everyone who's list knows I've vacillated a million 166 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:20,759 different times on like, oh I think he might be 167 00:08:20,759 --> 00:08:24,519 a star, Oh no, he never gonna happen, And then 168 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,560 somewhere in between, like so I never dialed in on 169 00:08:27,639 --> 00:08:30,079 what I thought Kaminga could be basically until it was 170 00:08:30,079 --> 00:08:31,720 too late, which is kind of the exact same thing 171 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:36,679 the Warriors did. Do you feel like you had a 172 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,120 sense sooner one way or the other, you know, like 173 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,320 like say a year ago or something like would you 174 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,399 have traded him then? Like what yeah, because it's just 175 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,159 close to it. I'm too wishy washy about it. I 176 00:08:48,159 --> 00:08:49,279 could never make up my mind. 177 00:08:49,879 --> 00:08:52,759 Speaker 1: Everything is done with the benefit of hindsight, and we 178 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,279 have to factor that into critiques. But this is a 179 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,639 good The tree young situation is an interesting analog because 180 00:08:58,639 --> 00:09:02,399 it's the Hawks had BOLTI opportunities to move Trey Young 181 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,600 at some point for real value. We know the Warriors 182 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,879 like the whole og Annobi or Pascal Siakam thing, not 183 00:09:08,919 --> 00:09:11,879 wanting to include the picks or pods or Kaminga. That 184 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,679 stuff actually happened, and it was a conversation of should 185 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,679 they do it? Yeah, they should probably do it then, 186 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,679 and so that's why I would dig Now this is 187 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,519 technically a different front off it. 188 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: I know Mike Dunleavy was there, but Bob Meyer really. 189 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,759 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So it's the same decision makers. 190 00:09:28,159 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: So I think that's what I struggle with is that 191 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,480 this isn't oh, you know it all of a sudden happened. 192 00:09:34,639 --> 00:09:38,039 This has been a slow burn, this descent into oh 193 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,279 now he's just immovable or we won't move him because 194 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,279 the upgrade isn't going to be big enough. 195 00:09:44,159 --> 00:09:46,039 Speaker 2: So if they don't move him. 196 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: Whether it's this season or over the off season, that's 197 00:09:49,039 --> 00:09:51,519 a grotesque misuse of an asset at that point. And 198 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,480 I I'm just man, I don't know, Like at that point, 199 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,279 it's like, what are we doing here? Why did you 200 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,480 go and make the Jimmy Butler trade. Then I just 201 00:10:00,519 --> 00:10:03,200 like it just makes the messages coming from this organization 202 00:10:03,279 --> 00:10:05,080 are kind of insane. 203 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 3: Well, I think that's because there's legitimate disconnect. I think 204 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:13,080 obviously ownership has been more on Comminga's side of things, 205 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,120 and the coaching staff is absolutely not on the Comminga 206 00:10:17,159 --> 00:10:19,879 side of things. And like, I don't know who's right. 207 00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:23,799 I think there it's it's fair to point out the 208 00:10:23,879 --> 00:10:27,679 fact that, like it's a pretty specific type of role 209 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,960 player that works under Steve Kerr, and that's an it like, 210 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,919 it's hard. It's hard for guys to to fit that. 211 00:10:35,159 --> 00:10:37,879 It's like Gary Payton the second like that guy, Okay, yeah, 212 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,720 we like him, but like the types of players that 213 00:10:40,759 --> 00:10:45,840 tend to succeed in smaller roles don't play anything like Kaminga. 214 00:10:45,919 --> 00:10:47,600 And the great irony of that is like, well, they 215 00:10:47,639 --> 00:10:51,320 need someone that, in theory is like Kaminga to make 216 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,000 this thing work going forward. And it's just that this 217 00:10:55,279 --> 00:10:58,279 the friction there has been like just priced in for 218 00:10:58,519 --> 00:10:59,120 the whole time. 219 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,639 Speaker 1: I right, And that's a conversation I think is worth 220 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,240 having about Steve Kerr. I think that fans are just 221 00:11:06,279 --> 00:11:08,960 the whole fire curve stuff. I just it, not that 222 00:11:09,039 --> 00:11:11,600 it bothers me, but I think that's oversimplified. But you 223 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:13,879 can look at they're just certain types of players and 224 00:11:14,159 --> 00:11:16,519 James Wise was never healthy enough. I think Jonathan Minga's 225 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,000 the billboard for it. I think Moses Moody even a 226 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,320 little bit too, to where it's if they don't fit 227 00:11:21,919 --> 00:11:26,840 his archetype of player functionally and psychologically, that they're just 228 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,080 at this inherent disadvantage. I don't know that if he can, 229 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,320 he never needed to adapt until when was the first 230 00:11:32,399 --> 00:11:33,840 year after Kevin Durant left? 231 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 2: Is that what he really needed to adapt? 232 00:11:35,919 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 3: And yeah, well Moody is a really interesting foil though, 233 00:11:40,639 --> 00:11:47,559 because Moody is is that role player type, but like 234 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,279 the ceiling for him is so low, like he he 235 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:54,200 he is so limited in what he can do offensively 236 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:57,200 that it's like, well, yeah, he fits because there's never 237 00:11:57,279 --> 00:11:59,840 a scenario where he's gonna go rogue and like try 238 00:11:59,879 --> 00:12:02,519 to score and beat his guy because he can't, you know. 239 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,200 So like its just the types of players that Kerr 240 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,399 tends to prefer and that tend to fit are the 241 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,000 ones that are just never gonna be high impact guys 242 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:12,480 at least The. 243 00:12:12,879 --> 00:12:16,759 Speaker 1: Problem is that how like Moses Moody's usage for most 244 00:12:16,799 --> 00:12:20,440 of his Warriors tenure was wildly inconsistent until he got yeah. 245 00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:22,279 Speaker 3: In and out of the road, like out of the 246 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,919 rotation entirely for stretches. Like but I, yeah, I guess 247 00:12:25,919 --> 00:12:27,480 they're kind of two different things we're discussing. 248 00:12:27,639 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: I think I will say I do think he's shown 249 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,440 growth just because of the way that Pat Spencer's a 250 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,039 Steve Kerr guy. But will Richard Quinton post those feel 251 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,720 like players who are antithetical to what Steve Kerr would 252 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,200 normally really invest in. 253 00:12:41,759 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 3: They are What do you mean? What do you mean 254 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,639 when you say antithetical. 255 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: Just because like they're not they are I would call that. 256 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,679 I don't want to be insulting to them, but it's 257 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,360 there are more of these baseline archetypes where they have 258 00:12:53,879 --> 00:12:56,960 clear limitations, like a ton of them bordering. 259 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,879 Speaker 2: On liabilities or outright liabilities. 260 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt like Warriors were spending so much time 261 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:04,399 poking and prodding it and. 262 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 2: Like even Pods is another kind of a good he's. 263 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: Played, but it's just oh, like they need him to 264 00:13:09,159 --> 00:13:11,960 be a primary shot creator. It's not good enough that 265 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,000 his jump shot is clearly better when you look at 266 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,440 the percentages than a lot of people were shooting. It 267 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,039 just felt like there was this hyper focus on always 268 00:13:19,039 --> 00:13:22,039 what players can't do, and the more that they couldn't do. 269 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,519 It felt like, and now when you're operating at a 270 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,799 higher scale with Jonathan Kaminga, the defense, the playing off 271 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:32,039 the ball, the rebounding at times, yeah, that's gonna manifest 272 00:13:32,279 --> 00:13:35,480 on more of a prominent stage. But just I think 273 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,559 a Quentin Poster, Real Richard would be an example if 274 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,799 we rewind like four or five years ago. Is Steve 275 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:41,679 like if you even if you needed bodies. I don't 276 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,240 know if Steve Kerr is gonna turn to players like 277 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,679 that unless you're clearly more and two with the team. 278 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:47,879 You can correct me if I'm just. 279 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,919 Speaker 3: No, I think you're right in in a lot of ways. 280 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,720 I do think that, using Post and Moody as examples, 281 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,799 in some ways they are like quote unquote Steve kerk 282 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:05,120 g because their skill sets are limited such that there's 283 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,000 not there's never gonna be a temptation for them to 284 00:14:08,159 --> 00:14:12,360 be overly selfish or to stop the ball, or to 285 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,480 like try to expand beyond like the couple things that 286 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,840 they're asked to do. Mostly speaking offensively, I think defensively, 287 00:14:18,879 --> 00:14:21,240 like the Warriors have been so good for so long 288 00:14:21,519 --> 00:14:23,720 with different personnel that it's like Steve Kirk and coach 289 00:14:23,759 --> 00:14:26,679 a defense. It helps to have Draymond, but like that's separate, 290 00:14:26,679 --> 00:14:30,200 but like in terms of what happens offensively, it's almost 291 00:14:30,279 --> 00:14:33,159 a feature sometimes, I think for Kerr rather than a bug, 292 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,519 if a player is limited or a role guy, because 293 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,840 he wants zero point five decision making. He wants not 294 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,159 pounding the dribble, he wants the ball to move. He 295 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,039 wants like guys that I don't know how to frame 296 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:51,279 this kind of like the pass, dribble shoot decision tree 297 00:14:51,919 --> 00:14:54,840 is very often just pass or shoot because you can't dribble. 298 00:14:54,919 --> 00:14:57,399 Like that applies to Post, that applies to Moody, like 299 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,720 he wants guys that will just fit in the system. 300 00:15:00,279 --> 00:15:04,720 So sometimes limitations are positives, but obviously that leaves you 301 00:15:04,759 --> 00:15:06,679 in the position they are now, where it's like Pods 302 00:15:06,759 --> 00:15:08,600 is being asked to do things he can't do well, 303 00:15:08,759 --> 00:15:11,600 and you need someone like what have I said all year? 304 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:13,240 Like they need someone that can beat his guy off 305 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,080 the dribble and make something ben the defense makes something happen, 306 00:15:16,519 --> 00:15:19,480 and that guy, the player with that skill set and 307 00:15:19,519 --> 00:15:22,080 like the confidence that comes with it, which again describes 308 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:27,480 KAMINGA sometimes is a bad fit because they see, well, 309 00:15:27,519 --> 00:15:30,679 I have a scoring opportunity here individually, and Kerr wants 310 00:15:30,759 --> 00:15:33,200 them to see like I shoot it immediately, or I 311 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,000 make the pass or I drive right away, and it's 312 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,039 not necessarily for me to score. It's to get the 313 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,919 ball back to Steph obviously, or you know what I mean, 314 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,840 Like I limited players, I think sometimes he likes more 315 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,720 because it's easier to integrate them into a system. 316 00:15:46,039 --> 00:15:49,159 Speaker 1: Doesn't but I guess kind of looking back though, it 317 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,919 feels like he's favored the limited players who are going 318 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,919 to give you something on the defensive end. 319 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: That there's the GP twos. 320 00:15:56,399 --> 00:15:59,639 Speaker 3: One hundred percent right, you cannot the limitation you have 321 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:05,240 and this applies to KAMINGA cannot be processing speed, defensive awareness, 322 00:16:05,519 --> 00:16:10,279 defensive effort like those are non negotiables pretty much. I'm 323 00:16:10,279 --> 00:16:12,639 trying to think of like a counter example, and like 324 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,799 Jordan Poole is a counter example, but he had offensive 325 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:16,600 ability and. 326 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: His role would be all over the place too. 327 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 3: But right right, so yeah, no, so let's let's do 328 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:26,279 you have more? I think going to the next issue 329 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,320 of how aggressive they should be still taxed with cominga 330 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,000 because it's talking about how many picks you attached to something. 331 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: Right, But I wanted to ask you the reverse for 332 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,919 a least about KAMINGA because just because you mentioned should 333 00:16:36,919 --> 00:16:39,120 they just let his contract come off the books, you're 334 00:16:39,159 --> 00:16:41,519 at this point already where he's making twenty two or whatever. 335 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:43,799 It is just as like a I'll call it the 336 00:16:43,799 --> 00:16:46,399 worst case scenario if Miatmi just said, and you figure 337 00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:48,919 out the salary math to make it work, here's Terry 338 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,120 Roziers expiring and we will give you seconds, Like, don't 339 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:53,960 you just do that at that point to capitol like 340 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,440 you've already spent it's basically the same money. You could 341 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,039 send out more money, mate, you might have to rope 342 00:16:58,039 --> 00:17:00,519 in other teams, whatever, don't you just do that? 343 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,519 Speaker 3: At least I think based on the argument I'm making 344 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:09,440 against just saying, like, explain to me why a year 345 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,119 from now, if he's still on the team, the effort 346 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,480 to trade him will be any easier or more lucrative. 347 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,240 Like I don't see that scenario, So I guess I 348 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,160 have to say, yeah, you do, just do that, right, 349 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,519 You get something now, because why would you expect to 350 00:17:21,559 --> 00:17:25,160 get more in exactly the same situation next year, really 351 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,680 worse situation, because one of the benefits to acquiring Kaminga 352 00:17:28,759 --> 00:17:30,799 now to another team is like, well, we get a 353 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:33,440 full year to look at it, yea or a year 354 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,720 and a half, I guess really, but a year from 355 00:17:35,799 --> 00:17:41,000 now you're saying we get two months if we acquire 356 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,440 Jonathan Caming on an expiring deal. So yeah, I think 357 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:43,960 you take it. 358 00:17:44,599 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: The other thing that they could do, and this doesn't 359 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,720 really factor into the aggression, but do you just consider 360 00:17:50,039 --> 00:17:52,880 just look at what happened with Trey Young. Let's talk 361 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,799 think of a player that they don't even fit. They 362 00:17:55,799 --> 00:17:58,440 make zero sense on this team, But in a vacuum, 363 00:17:58,759 --> 00:18:01,119 there's a chance to rehabit ilitate it because they have 364 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,799 that mystique to where if you perfect example that's somewhat 365 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:07,839 topical as of when we're recording this, you can do 366 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,240 Kaminga And I don't know how much money you need 367 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:13,920 more to attach Like you can get John Morant on 368 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,599 this team. Where's the you're not giving up picks? Like 369 00:18:16,759 --> 00:18:18,880 Memphis decides they go to the Atlanta route. They want 370 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,839 expiring sat like you're throwing Buddy heeled in there, al 371 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,319 Horford's off to Memphis or something. At that point, do 372 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,480 you just do that or if kind of show you 373 00:18:28,519 --> 00:18:29,160 do okay? 374 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 3: Well, And I don't think John Morant's ever gonna be 375 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,359 an All Star again or anything close to that, but 376 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,519 I still do it just on the off chance that maybe, 377 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,440 I mean, that's so much more interesting, right, Like it's 378 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,799 a risk, it's but like there's a single digit percent 379 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,359 chance that Moran just once out of Memphis is different 380 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,559 and better. Yeah, like that, I mean I thought you 381 00:18:50,599 --> 00:18:52,960 were gonna say, like Patrick Williams or something, just it's 382 00:18:53,039 --> 00:18:55,079 just to throw out there like that. 383 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: Well, if a team was willing to, we're just I 384 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,920 think we've moved beyond the point. These tracks are mostly 385 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,440 so short. With the acception of Yakka Pearls and Patrick 386 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,880 Williams' is for some reason that just go on forever andever. 387 00:19:06,559 --> 00:19:08,880 I can't identify a team that's gonna be willing to 388 00:19:09,519 --> 00:19:12,160 attach picks just to get off money. You would also 389 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,279 have to give up something like what is the bad? 390 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,119 I guess Patrick Williams would be an example. But the 391 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,039 bulls are the bulls and so yeah, okay, Ory, the 392 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:21,759 Bulls might actually do that, but they have no business 393 00:19:21,839 --> 00:19:22,839 actually doing that. 394 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,279 Speaker 3: You could use like Jeremy Grant as an example, you know, like, 395 00:19:26,839 --> 00:19:29,480 is that I don't see Portland giving up picks to 396 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,279 get off Jeremy Grant if Cominga's coming back? I mean, yeah, no, 397 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,400 I mean I was trying to maybe kind of, but 398 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,599 in this environment, it doesn't seem like that's the way 399 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:38,559 things work anymore. 400 00:19:39,319 --> 00:19:42,839 Speaker 1: So I think now we can talk about how aggressive 401 00:19:44,079 --> 00:19:46,440 how aggressive should they be before getting into well, what 402 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:47,519 do you expect them to do? 403 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,319 Speaker 3: Well, let me answer your question with a question, because 404 00:19:51,319 --> 00:19:53,599 you always ask me this, and I think it's instructive. 405 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,920 How good is the player they need to let's say, 406 00:19:59,039 --> 00:20:00,960 let's say they want I don't. I don't think they 407 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,400 really think they can ever be title favorites again with 408 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,880 this core, Like that's that ship has sailed for a 409 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,000 lot of reasons, But like, what, how good is the 410 00:20:09,039 --> 00:20:14,240 player they need to get into the they can it 411 00:20:14,319 --> 00:20:16,119 can't just be they're like, well they could win around, 412 00:20:16,279 --> 00:20:17,880 you know, like to be like this could be a 413 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,000 conference finalist. This is a team that's as good and 414 00:20:20,079 --> 00:20:23,839 dangerous in a postseason scenario as Minnesota, Houston, Denver. 415 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,279 Speaker 1: I would say, it doesn't need to be this player. 416 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,599 I don't even know if it's the archetype they need. 417 00:20:29,839 --> 00:20:31,440 I don't think it needs to be an All Star. 418 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,599 I would say a fringe all Star along the Kobe 419 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,960 White line of demarkation. Can you get a player of 420 00:20:38,519 --> 00:20:40,599 that level? And if I had, if you forced me 421 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,759 to say, well, better or slightly worse, it probably needs 422 00:20:43,759 --> 00:20:46,119 to be a little bit better than that level of player. 423 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,599 That is sort of where I'm at, though, it's like, 424 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,680 maybe you could make The other thing I thought about 425 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,200 is could you make a series of smaller moves that Okay, 426 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,400 we got two or three guys. 427 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 2: That come into the rotation. 428 00:20:56,039 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: They're both top eight rotation members and that's how you 429 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,440 get there and the aggregate. But I think for them 430 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,200 to feel like they could enter the realm of Minnesota, 431 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,240 of Houston, Denver, I'm just gonna only name Western Conference. 432 00:21:08,319 --> 00:21:11,440 He Detroit deserves some respect out he's in Boston. I 433 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,559 think it needs to be Would you agree or you 434 00:21:13,599 --> 00:21:15,359 think it needs to be If we're using Kobe, let's 435 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,680 use Kobe White as the gauge, it need to be 436 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,440 better or worse than a Kobe White level player. 437 00:21:20,599 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 3: I think he's got to be better, maybe not like 438 00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:26,720 a ton better. I was wondering if you were gonna 439 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,599 go like this needs to be like he needs to 440 00:21:28,599 --> 00:21:30,720 clearly become your second best player, Like this guy needs 441 00:21:30,759 --> 00:21:33,319 to be like as good or better than Butler or 442 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,400 something something like that. This had version of Butler, by 443 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,920 the way, who's like not an All star, you know, 444 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,119 like that that kind of thing. So maybe that's not 445 00:21:41,319 --> 00:21:42,079 that far apart. 446 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,039 Speaker 1: I think they're saying the issue there, But so I 447 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:47,079 mean that kind of dovetails with well, what is it? 448 00:21:47,839 --> 00:21:50,240 What do the Warriors need specifically, because then that can 449 00:21:50,279 --> 00:21:53,039 help us identify, well, who is this fringe star, who 450 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,519 is this second best player on the team. You said 451 00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:57,960 it's someone who can go out get their own bucket 452 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,599 drive the offense that way. Is that where you're sort 453 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,839 of settling out or where's they're value in? We need 454 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,960 more of a like super duper high end toolsy guy 455 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,279 who's filling a bunch of different gaps. 456 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 3: For Yeah, so I think I guess to be as 457 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,039 broad as possible to begin with, it needs to be 458 00:22:17,079 --> 00:22:20,759 a player who is primarily an offensive threat the defense 459 00:22:20,839 --> 00:22:24,000 is good. It's gonna be fine, like they that's it's 460 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,839 we can rely on that. The issue with the Warriors 461 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,359 is one it's still too hard to score with stuff 462 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,400 off the floor, and with him on it's still often 463 00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:35,200 too difficult. Then that's because if he is not on 464 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,119 the ball, the person that has the ball just isn't 465 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,960 athletic enough, isn't dynamic enough to like cause the defense 466 00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:47,440 enough stress. So it's got to be an offensive threat. 467 00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:49,400 I think if you're if you're really working, like what 468 00:22:49,559 --> 00:22:51,759 is the biggest issue, because there's more than one, right, 469 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:53,759 Like they need more athleticism on the front line, they 470 00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:56,480 need another like knockdown shooter, like all that stuff is there? 471 00:22:57,079 --> 00:22:59,599 Speaker 1: The number of things that you're mentioning that are supposed 472 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,640 to disco Jonathan Kaminga are actually annoying. 473 00:23:02,759 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 3: Oh right now, you see why they held out hope 474 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,519 for so long because there's like, oh, if he could 475 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,440 just figure it out, he could tick all these boxes. 476 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:15,599 I think it's I don't know what position the player is, 477 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,480 Like I like guard it could be, because I think 478 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,920 it could be. You want a bigger guard, Like that's 479 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,480 why like Moran is not happening. But like if it's 480 00:23:25,519 --> 00:23:29,240 a player who's actually smaller and plays even smaller than Steph. 481 00:23:29,519 --> 00:23:34,480 Like that's tough. Uh yeah, but it could be any position. 482 00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:36,599 I think beggars can't be choosers. But I like a 483 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,279 wing that could do this stuff. But that's basically a 484 00:23:39,319 --> 00:23:41,559 wing that can do the things I'm describing as almost 485 00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:44,319 always an All star, right, Like a wing that can run, 486 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,079 you know, can break down the defensive facilitator score, like 487 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,240 that's that's a that's a fifty million dollars player or whatever. 488 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,519 So you know, I think they have to adjust their 489 00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:57,279 expectations down a little bit. But would you agree that that? 490 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,000 Like to you, because I get caught in my own 491 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,279 little feedback loop, I wonder what you think as far 492 00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:04,039 as their needs go. 493 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: I would agree with everything, I guess. I don't know 494 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,240 how concerned I am about the playmaking, like passing aspect 495 00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:13,400 of it, just because you have Jimmy. I know Draymond 496 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,920 has been just a disaster offensively this year, but you 497 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,480 in theory, you have him pods as a connector. They 498 00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:20,759 still have this guy named Steph too, so I'm not 499 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,519 as worried about Pat Spencer. 500 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:23,559 Speaker 2: He's that motherfucker. 501 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: So I'm not as worried about that, or I could 502 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,960 see if they're skewing towards someone who's a little bit 503 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:33,359 more oh coming, Like think if, like if Zach Levine 504 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,640 was cheaper, I wouldn't have a problem investing in someone 505 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,599 like that, just because I don't think they need him to. Like, 506 00:24:39,839 --> 00:24:42,000 you just come in and get bucket self created off 507 00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:46,440 the catch movement, do it. I could see that working. 508 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,799 It'd be nice if that's someone. Do you trust Zach 509 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:51,680 Levine to lead the non Steph minutes offensively? No, but 510 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,160 maybe you game it out and you just fill those 511 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,960 minutes with him and Jimmy Butler together, we'll figure it out. 512 00:24:57,759 --> 00:25:00,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's I think that's fair because, like 513 00:25:01,759 --> 00:25:04,319 I'm trying to imagine if it's Zach Levine and bench 514 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,160 players just to stick with the Levine example, that is 515 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,440 someone that makes the Warriors a threat to score in 516 00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:16,440 ways that don't involve like a perfectly executed like dummy 517 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,160 off ball action, perfectly time backcut, perfectly places like the 518 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,559 degree of difficulty is so high for them to score 519 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,599 in a half court setting without Steph on the floor, 520 00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:27,960 and I guess Jimmy gets to the foul line. But 521 00:25:28,079 --> 00:25:31,359 that's he just athletically, he's not anything close to what 522 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,960 he used to be. So yeah, Levine. You can imagine 523 00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:36,440 Levine going on a little heater where he's just hitting 524 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,319 pull up threes and they just like the Warriors don't 525 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,680 have that guy. So yeah, I think maybe maybe it 526 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,200 doesn't need to be like a super duper star, but 527 00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:46,920 like Levine would should be off the table, right because 528 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,880 that's just that's the kind of money you don't want. 529 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: No, you're giving up Kaminga and Draymond, or you're giving 530 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,839 up Jimmy Butler in that's an area xactly or that well, 531 00:25:58,039 --> 00:25:59,880 by the way, I don't know that we ever footed before. 532 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:01,759 Just getting into like the wrap up and I'll throw 533 00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:04,680 a bunch of trade targets out there, like normal, how. 534 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,759 Speaker 2: Aggressive should they be? Though? Like is this that? 535 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: Like do you do you view this as from your perspective, 536 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,599 you have Steph you traded for, Jimmy Draymond still here. 537 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,359 Some of the like top end units are pretty killer 538 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,319 for them. Yeah, you've got these picks, throw throw that 539 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,920 weight around, see what throw pods in there, and plus 540 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,240 coming to salary, see what you could get or does 541 00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:26,720 there have to be a more whether you want to 542 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:29,119 call it measured or realistic approach of. 543 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 2: This is where we're at. 544 00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:32,599 Speaker 1: We're probably not going to enter the inner circle of 545 00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:35,519 title contention. Forget about the thunder, but we're not going 546 00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:36,839 to be on the same If you don't think you're 547 00:26:36,839 --> 00:26:38,720 going to be on the same level as the if 548 00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:42,000 you think they're further away than is plausible to bridge 549 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,960 that gap between Minnesota, Houston, Denver those teams. 550 00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 3: I think this is We've had a version of this 551 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:52,880 conversation for probably the last two deadlines, maybe more. 552 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,799 Speaker 2: Basically, they won the title in twenty twenty two. 553 00:26:55,799 --> 00:27:00,839 Speaker 3: Right, I've always skewed towards I don't think they're that close. 554 00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:04,920 I'm concerned about how bad it's going to be when 555 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,440 Steph is gone, And so like the further out you 556 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,599 go with picks, the less inclined I am to be aggressive. 557 00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:14,880 So like you want to put the twenty six first 558 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,200 on the table, Absolutely, they're gonna be like a five 559 00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:20,680 hundred is team maybe better. That's fine. Twenty eight gets 560 00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:22,599 real scary because that kind of lines up with when 561 00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:29,000 it basically everybody's deals seem unified and expiring, and I 562 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,160 don't know twenty thirty two is like, that's future grants problem, 563 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,200 So sure throw that one on there, and that the 564 00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:39,039 section of the twenty third, because when you're talking about 565 00:27:39,079 --> 00:27:41,319 being aggressive, I think it just has to do with 566 00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:44,240 how many picks you're willing to give up, right like that, because. 567 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: Is it more than Basically at this point, the question 568 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:46,759 is is. 569 00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:47,519 Speaker 2: It more than one? 570 00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think if one, I'm good with, provided it's not. 571 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:54,240 The twenty eight is just kind of like blink a 572 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,440 blinking light that I don't want to give up because 573 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,319 that might be just like you gotta have that one 574 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,440 because that could be the or bottom out post current year. 575 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,200 If so, well, sure too. Let's say let's say you 576 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,599 put twenty six and thirty two or twenty six in 577 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:16,119 a swap or something something like that on there. Then 578 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,279 I guess the aggression question goes to, is is this 579 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,000 a Butler trade? Probably not, Like I don't think they're 580 00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:26,400 gonna do that. I don't think they're trading Draymond, even 581 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,079 though like if you had a machine tell them what 582 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,440 to do that didn't feel feelings like that they'd be 583 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,240 like get rid of this guy? 584 00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:37,799 Speaker 2: You know, is there any name? 585 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: Is it just you honest that you think would get 586 00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:43,920 them to move Draymond, And even then, doesn't it almost 587 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,279 you're gutting your team if you're trying to keep Butler 588 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,480 and ste I'm trying is like, what is the is there? 589 00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:51,559 Speaker 2: Or I'll frame it this way. Is there more than 590 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:52,559 one name? 591 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,519 Speaker 1: So I'm just assuming if if Yon, if Draymond needs 592 00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:57,200 to be part of a Yannest deal with Warriors, will 593 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,119 suck it up and do it. But is there more 594 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,240 than one name? We've gone through. We talked about Anthony Davis. 595 00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:04,160 I think based off what you said they need, that's 596 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,880 a no. You're not like, what's the point of giving 597 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,680 up Draymond for that more than Anthony Davis? 598 00:29:09,079 --> 00:29:11,759 Speaker 3: Well, there's that, I do think. I think if they 599 00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:14,880 did so, let's in a hypothetical where the Warriors trade 600 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,039 Draymond and two firsts for Anthony Davis, I can imagine 601 00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:22,640 myself very quickly talking myself into this is this is 602 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,680 a good thing. I don't feel that way right now. 603 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,000 I mean, Davis is a better player than Draymond. The 604 00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:33,039 availability is a question and the cost obviously is the 605 00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:33,880 biggest issue. 606 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: Especially is a da curR player. 607 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 3: I think the talent is yeah, right, is he going 608 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,759 to try to do too much, and I think he'd 609 00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:45,119 be fine there, I guess the other So if it's not, 610 00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:48,000 maybe the answer to your question is it is just 611 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:51,440 the honest. But then what about like Michael Porter Junior, 612 00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:54,759 what about Trey Murphy. Maybe I'm stepping on the potential 613 00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:55,400 targets here. 614 00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:57,039 Speaker 1: Well, I think that this is the section to throw 615 00:29:57,079 --> 00:29:59,200 it out and to see if they're let's I mean, 616 00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:01,279 because what you're mentioning if you don't want to give 617 00:30:01,359 --> 00:30:04,799 up Draymond or Butler, you're shopping in the Trey Murphy 618 00:30:05,359 --> 00:30:08,160 Derek White price range. And I would say both of 619 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,440 those players are good enough for me as the Warriors 620 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,880 to say that's future Warriors problem, future Grants problem, like 621 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,839 I'll put picks on the table, But Derek White has 622 00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:19,000 played his way off the trade block if he was 623 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:20,960 ever on the the Boston Celtics are just too good, 624 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:26,359 and the Pelicans unless they really are hot for pods, like, 625 00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:28,599 you're not getting out of that deal without giving up 626 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,680 three first round picks. 627 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,839 Speaker 3: I don't. Yeah, I don't see how either. And even 628 00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:36,400 if even if like Kaminga in three firsts, I guess 629 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,240 if I'm New Orleans, I'm listening just because two of. 630 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,759 Speaker 1: Those picks are post dating the contract of Steph Curry, 631 00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:47,839 Raymond Green, and Jimmy Butler. Yeah, you're you're listening. Trey 632 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,920 Murcy is great, he cannot anchor an entire team. 633 00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 3: I don't think so either. I think, yeah, right, he's 634 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,680 he's additive, he's not like I guess it's it's unfair 635 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,039 if we're talking about Giannis versus anybody else, because like, yeah, 636 00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:04,160 Jiannis is one m vps and titles like that's just 637 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,599 so different than a really good player like Murphy or 638 00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:11,759 this year's version of MPG. Like those guys in a 639 00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:14,480 playoff series, if they're out there with reserves, You're like, 640 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,720 this is probably a bad offense, you know, most most likely. 641 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,519 So so yeah, if if you have Pajemski in there too, 642 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,079 I guess he's probably yeah, he maybe he allows you 643 00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:31,640 to get away with two firsts. 644 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: If it's I don't know, I really don't think so. 645 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,039 Just because he's so close to his next contract. 646 00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, what do you think he's going to 647 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,880 get on it? He might be. 648 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: Have you paid attention to the way that the New 649 00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:50,880 Orleans organization runs their finances? I think any money is 650 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:51,640 too much money? 651 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, Like I Derek White was Derek White. 652 00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:03,119 The thing is, like the player I've been describing as 653 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:08,720 as the ideal target almost doesn't exist in their price range. 654 00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:12,759 But Derek White. It just I want Derek White on 655 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:16,000 any team that I am trying to build, but hit 656 00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:17,880 one he's I think you're right, Like, the Celtics are 657 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,920 just way better than the Warriors. So why are the 658 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,279 Celtics trading Derek White at all? 659 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:24,519 Speaker 1: Well, if they want to duck the tax, and it's 660 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,880 just they decide because they want the Celtics that they 661 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,839 want to really reset the repeater clock. They got to 662 00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:31,839 get out of the tax this year and next, right, 663 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,279 if you can, you could do that by moving Derek White. 664 00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:36,759 So if the pick equities enough, maybe they look at 665 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:39,880 it and say, well, we'll just keep Anthony Simon's and 666 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,680 use Derek White and Sam Houser to get out of 667 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,160 the tax. And but yeah, at this point it's harder 668 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,920 to get Derek White than I think it would have 669 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,440 been if we were having this conversation in July and August. 670 00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 3: Oh right, yeah, because he was on the list of like, well. 671 00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: The Celtics Honestly, if we're having this conversation around Thanksgiving. 672 00:32:57,359 --> 00:32:59,279 Speaker 2: It BROI to get there. 673 00:33:01,359 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 3: I have a hard time coming up with all the 674 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,279 targets for all the usual suspects. 675 00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:07,559 Speaker 2: To me, I think I've gotten some. 676 00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:09,839 Speaker 1: I have some off the beaten path aside from jaw 677 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,599 of course, Okay, what and this is not necessarily a 678 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,039 go all in type thing, but what about the bonus? 679 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:18,839 Speaker 2: About bonus? 680 00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:23,079 Speaker 3: Is Draymond on the team at that point, I. 681 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: Would say no, I would rather use him and command 682 00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:29,200 to get to the money. By the way, at this rate, 683 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,279 is Sacramento giving you stuff to make that? 684 00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 3: I have no idea. Sacramento has historically been very interested 685 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:42,960 in former Warriors or Warriors adjacent people, whether that's executives, coaches, whatever. 686 00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:48,200 I wonder what their tolerance for what their view of 687 00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:51,519 Draymond would be if they're really like Scott Perry's talking 688 00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:54,240 like lengthy rebuild. I don't know where Draymond fits there 689 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,599 just as a fit on the Warriors, though, I think 690 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,680 SI bonus at least like offensively gives you somewhere to 691 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,920 go where he's gonna he can you can run a 692 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,000 lot through him. That's his best features as as a 693 00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:09,920 basketball player, probably is he you can use him as 694 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,440 a hub, so I think that would be interesting. I 695 00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:16,360 don't if the goal, though, is to position yourself to 696 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,840 contend or come close to that. He's not a better 697 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,639 player than Draymond. I don't think for that. 698 00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 1: Peace would you agree he's he's not a better player 699 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,920 than Draymond? But I guess and if you don't trust that, 700 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,519 the Warriors have the other like him, Domas and Al 701 00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:32,400 Horford and Quinton Post I don't know what that give 702 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,119 you as a defensive backbone. But he is someone who 703 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:38,960 in any given season could make an All NBA team. 704 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:42,320 And do you even have to I'm coming out from 705 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,679 the perspective of would you have to give up picks 706 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,920 to get him? And if you don't, that's something you 707 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,679 have to at least think of. Or no, Yeah, is 708 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,880 it just the emotional component of moving Draymond in that scenario, 709 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,320 it's just a non starter. 710 00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 3: It might be, It might be. I do think I 711 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,880 think you're right like there, I think the Warriors maybe 712 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,880 are a better regular seas in team with Sabonis instead 713 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:09,400 of Draymond. Even that, I think I don't know how 714 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:14,400 much they care about that though. I don't know. That's 715 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,239 an interesting one that you've You've caused me. Uh, I've 716 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:18,800 got a few more. 717 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,599 Speaker 2: Let's see if I can intrigue you. 718 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:21,079 Speaker 3: Uh. 719 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: We've talked about these two tangentially, but it got me 720 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,400 really thinking because of the Trey Young price and now 721 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,760 the Ja Morant move rumors, these two players are significantly better, 722 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,960 I would argue, are more valuable than that kind of 723 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,639 tier of the Sabonis and John Is this distressed money now? 724 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,119 But you also look at their contracts and say, for 725 00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:41,480 what they do where they might be better off as 726 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,480 your third best player on a contender bam Adebayo and 727 00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:46,599 Jaron Jackson Junior. 728 00:35:49,199 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 3: I would. So we're talking that's three firsts for either 729 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,320 of them, right minimum. 730 00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: Uh you know I said yes, but I don't know anymore. 731 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,000 Just if you're giving up because it's kind of who 732 00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:09,920 do you trust to be an offensive anchor right now? 733 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,880 More Trey Murphy Jaron Jackson Junior Are bam out of bio? 734 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,000 The answer should be Jaron Jackson Junior. I feel like 735 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,079 a couple of years ago the answer should have been 736 00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:18,880 bam out of bio. 737 00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:23,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think if if you give me the choice, 738 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,800 I just go Bam because I think you and I 739 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:32,039 both are pretty bampilled, uh, because he fits everywhere, certainly 740 00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:34,519 the Warriors, and he's can shooted now I actually haven't 741 00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:35,480 looked recently. 742 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: But the appeal of Bam, though, is counterintuitive to everything 743 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,719 else that we described though, because he's not He gives 744 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,800 you someone to run the offense through technically, but it's 745 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,199 never been great when he's not partnered with another star. 746 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 3: With Jimmy though, yeah, sure, well, well I don't know. 747 00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:54,840 I guess I guess they're probably fine after that. But 748 00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:59,039 we're talking pretty starry, and that's because we've sort of 749 00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:01,880 come at this from the position of if they're gonna 750 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,559 do anything, it's it needs to count like towards this 751 00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:11,800 contention objective. What if it's like, because they do need 752 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,840 to be more athletic up front, I think, so what 753 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,400 if it's like you're You're Gafford Claxton. 754 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 2: Claxton would be interesting. 755 00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:25,119 Speaker 3: RW three tier of centers and like that. I don't know, 756 00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:28,880 I mean, those are the price spectrum is pretty broad 757 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,119 between those three, but like, I don't think you're giving 758 00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:34,119 up more than one pick for for any of those guys. 759 00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: I would think R W three is that's not even 760 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,480 making money work. Yeah, that's not you're not but that 761 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,119 he'd be an interesting fit on Golden State for sure, 762 00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:44,880 But how many minutes can you play him? Claxton's interesting 763 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,840 because we've seen what he could do on drives. There's 764 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,360 been some playmaking him this year, But again, does that 765 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,079 if you're not I don't know how that that's more 766 00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:54,719 than a I don't know if it's a two first 767 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,960 round pick situation. But it's not just that we've heard 768 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,719 that the Nests just don't want Johnathan could make us. 769 00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:01,119 So John I think I'll make gonna pick and then 770 00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:03,159 figuring out the money. I don't know if that does it. 771 00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:06,079 But Nicholas Claxton would be really interesting. 772 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 3: I mean, I think again the machine is making choices 773 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,400 now like Draymond, and maybe it's just Draymond and something 774 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,280 or Draymond and almost nothing for Claxton. The money is 775 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,840 not quite right, that's what? 776 00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:20,159 Speaker 2: Okay, what about going what about going Ham? 777 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 1: I don't know how many picks needs to be involved here, 778 00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:27,239 but Draymond kminga salary and then you're trying to get 779 00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:29,039 Claxton and MPJ. 780 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, oh you knew I was going there. 781 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,000 I saw it again. 782 00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:34,519 Speaker 3: Oh, I knew you're gonna say MPJ because it's like, well, 783 00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:37,719 what else constitutes ham on the on the on the nets, 784 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,199 you're gonna get gonna get in early on jegor Joeman uh, 785 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:47,039 which is good. I mean again, the machine has to 786 00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:49,719 be making calls. But like, obviously that improves the team, 787 00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:53,199 right like it clearly because Kminga is not playing. He's 788 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,320 not playing and he's not gonna play, so you're getting 789 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,239 you're trading Draymond just just talking about right now, which 790 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,199 is again through some reasonable sets of eyes, is like 791 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,559 all that should matter because Steph is right now you're 792 00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:10,639 getting Porter Junior and Claxton for Draymond. You're way better. 793 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,119 Like that team is way better. So, I mean, I 794 00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:16,440 don't know what the pick outlet would have to be there, 795 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:18,559 that's that's probably all of them. 796 00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 1: That's probably probably looking at no. I was gonna say 797 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:21,719 pods in two. 798 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, throw throw pods into any deal you want at 799 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,480 this point because because of the next contract thing, and 800 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,400 because of that, I feel like I understand what he 801 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,199 is at this point. 802 00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:33,519 Speaker 1: When you mentioned Larry Marketing, I just feel like he 803 00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:34,920 needs to be a name that we would mention. 804 00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:37,079 Speaker 2: That's just I think. 805 00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 3: For sure, And and if I'm utah, I'm like, I 806 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,639 think I can do better at this point without well 807 00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:46,320 he's played this year. That's the other thing is is 808 00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:49,039 we're talking about the Warriors like they're in a vacuum. 809 00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:52,480 Every single target we've mentioned, like, there's probably a team 810 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,559 out there that could beat that offer. 811 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 1: I wonder if if Indie's just sort of having a 812 00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:02,519 coming to Jesus moment and whereas well, we don't know, 813 00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:06,039 like could you get Pascal Siakam? Were they more likely 814 00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:07,480 to go We're gonna go trade for a big so 815 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,679 that we could reorient around Tyre's Halibert and a high 816 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:10,239 draft pick. 817 00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:14,559 Speaker 3: If I bet you Indy is thinking the latter, like, 818 00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:17,559 well this time next year, we're gonna be cheaper to 819 00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:21,960 have Draymond next year than I got to anchor that defense. 820 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,239 That way, you don't have to go get a center. 821 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,920 I guess, yeah, I don't know what do you have 822 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,559 anything else on them? Any other targets? I mean, this 823 00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:32,639 is a tricky team to do just one because I uh, 824 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,960 everybody drink, I can't be rational. 825 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: Well, let's I like to force you to make a prediction. Okay, 826 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,599 will the Warriors trade a first round pick by the trip? 827 00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:45,119 Because that informs how is, if they're trading a first 828 00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:46,920 round pick, you know they're acting because they're not trying 829 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,800 to get off money in that's an area. So will 830 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,679 they trade a first round does? I don't care how many, 831 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,639 I don't care which one. Will they trade a first 832 00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:54,639 round pick by the trade? 833 00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:57,039 Speaker 3: You guided me to the answer because I I don't 834 00:40:57,079 --> 00:40:59,440 think what they're gonna do is just try to get 835 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,239 off money. I think if they're gonna do anything, it 836 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,320 will be to improve in the short term, and they 837 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,320 cannot do that without trading a first rounder, whether that's 838 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,039 attached to comingo or not. I think so I'll say 839 00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:15,159 yes they will, and I, depending on what year it is, 840 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,519 could feel any number of different ways about it. Limits 841 00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:23,159 that's my that's my main stance just that year, because 842 00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:25,039 that's what everybody comes up. I don't know. I'm I'm 843 00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:26,079 just gonna make that my thing. 844 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm wanna I'm I'm gonna go with you and say 845 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,239 they will trade a first round pick because I like 846 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,960 to root for chaos arout. We'd like to think that 847 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,079 our jobs have a point where we're gonna dissect every 848 00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:38,159 team from a trade deadline perspective that moves will actually happen. 849 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,840 We'll have to wait and see anything else. Are you 850 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:41,960 ready to take us out of here? 851 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,280 Speaker 3: I'm glad this wasn't as painful as I thought it 852 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,519 would be. No, it wasn't fifteen minutes like you thought 853 00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:50,760 it would be. No, it certainly wasn't. We knew we 854 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,960 were gonna go along on this one. Thanks everybody for listening, 855 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,559 for watching Rate Review. Subscribe till your friends, till your 856 00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:59,000 enemies share, share this. We're gonna clip these all individually, 857 00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:01,159 probably at least for to see how it goes. So 858 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,159 you got a warriors man in your life and you 859 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,639 want to have them commiserate with. 860 00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:07,159 Speaker 2: Us, Everyone's just gonna send it to you in the discord. 861 00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:09,119 Dam right? 862 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,320 Speaker 3: What else I think that's gonna coverage? You want to 863 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,079 discord links in the YouTube and podcast description, shouts Franklin Keen. Apologies, 864 00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:16,599 Jared Allen