WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:02.759 The Boundless Authenticity podcast. 2 00:00:05.320 --> 00:00:09.919 It's another episode of Boundless Authenticity. There goes a rooster, 3 00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:13.240 and my guest today is Eve Howard, host of the 4 00:00:13.279 --> 00:00:16.760 podcast Primely Classified, and I'm going to pick her brain 5 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:20.600 about some things, including Native American culture and the Secret 6 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:24.359 Space Program and who knows whatever else we might get into. 7 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:27.679 Before we begin, I have to say thank you to 8 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:30.679 all of the new subscribers and followers and remind you 9 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:33.079 that if you aren't currently a follower of the show, 10 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:37.039 go ahead and do so right now. 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You 20 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:09.560 can now look forward to three episodes of Boundless Authenticity 21 00:01:09.599 --> 00:01:13.719 every month on the sixth, sixteenth, and twenty sixth so 22 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:16.319 mark your calendars. So, Eve, how's it going. 23 00:01:17.599 --> 00:01:22.719 It's going good. Yeah, everything it just seemed like it's 24 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:25.760 just kind of falling in place. It was a little 25 00:01:25.879 --> 00:01:30.439 rough there the first you know, the first week, in 26 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:33.079 the last couple of days of the year of twenty 27 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:36.760 twenty four, and then going into twenty twenty five, there 28 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:39.680 seems to be a lot of energy that was like 29 00:01:39.760 --> 00:01:43.599 affecting not only me but other people around me. 30 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:49.480 So yeah, when you say, I can't say something like 31 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:52.799 that and just not tell me, I don't. 32 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:55.120 I have no way to describe it. It was like 33 00:01:56.840 --> 00:02:00.599 it would be like I right, say, some days would 34 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:03.599 be like I'd wake up late, I end up having 35 00:02:03.599 --> 00:02:06.640 to take a nap and then I'd go to bed 36 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:09.240 or I'd be passing out at like eight o'clock. And 37 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:11.000 then there were other days that I would wake up 38 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:13.919 at five in the morning and I would go, go, go, go, go, 39 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:17.080 till like two in the morning. And it was and 40 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:22.000 you know, I I'm usually in bed by ten thirty 41 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:25.280 every night. It's always a ritual with me. So to 42 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:30.439 have this kind of energy, I don't know what it was. 43 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:34.840 I don't know that. How is your coffee thing going? 44 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:36.639 Could you jump back on the wagon. 45 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:42.439 No, I don't have coffee in here. I have like 46 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:49.520 a weird tea that I concocted so and I don't 47 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:53.919 think it has any type of caffeine in it. And 48 00:02:53.960 --> 00:03:01.280 then I have water just in case. So it's been 49 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:04.199 a rough one. I mean, I will admit sometimes I'm 50 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:06.960 just like I get I get really upset, and then 51 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:11.039 I'll have like a black tea, you know, that's caffeinated, 52 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:15.159 or I'll have like a cup of coffee, or heaven forbid, 53 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:17.680 you know, an energy drink which I don't get to 54 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:21.840 finish and I have to pour out. Anyone thinking of 55 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:25.639 that the last time we spoke. 56 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:27.919 Yeah, well, there's nothing wrong with that though. I mean, 57 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:30.879 it's a journey. It's just getting off of the habit 58 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:33.520 of doing it every day, and it takes time, and 59 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:37.759 it takes energy and effort, and you know, most people 60 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:39.680 are just getting a lot of energy from that, and 61 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:42.199 then the body doesn't know what to do without it. 62 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:45.800 So there's gonna be cravings, there's gonna be dips and 63 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:49.520 energy and stuff like that. But eventually we'll get there. 64 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:54.719 Everybody that I've helped with this thing, they get off 65 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:57.599 of it. It just takes time. Everybody's not me that 66 00:03:57.840 --> 00:03:59.719 I was like in two weeks. I was done with it. 67 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:03.479 The first time I did it, I went cold turkey 68 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:07.319 and that was the worst three four days of my 69 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:09.560 life because I had just this horrible headache, you know, 70 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:13.000 because it's your body. It's like it's you know, it's 71 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:15.800 used to that caffeine. It's almost like, you know, an 72 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:19.439 addictive type quality. You're addicted to that caffeine and your 73 00:04:19.439 --> 00:04:20.639 body is reacting. 74 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:27.120 But it does end, Yeah, it does end. And that 75 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:32.160 kind of withdrawal is just more evidence that it's really 76 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:35.639 bad for you, you know, because exactly you don't get 77 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:40.920 withdrawal from eating apples, you know, so weird depends on 78 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:48.600 the apple, I guess, yeah, that shitty fucking biblical apple. Anyways, 79 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:56.720 So you're Native American, I am curious about the spiritual 80 00:04:56.759 --> 00:05:03.240 concepts that you've learned just growing up in that col True, I. 81 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:06.040 Was very lucky as I kind of grew up in 82 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:11.680 both worlds. Like the very beginning, I was born in 83 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:15.360 a very urban city, you know, because they were pushing 84 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:17.800 a lot of like a lot of the Native Americans 85 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:20.160 were leaving the reservation. They were they were going to 86 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:24.439 the city getting better jobs because I mean, I'll be truthful, 87 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:27.600 there's really not that many jobs on the reservation. I mean, 88 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:31.120 there's there's there's a reason why that is, and there's 89 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:33.000 a reason, you know. I mean they sit there and 90 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:35.720 they'll say it's a dry reservation, but you know, you 91 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:40.160 have the members going into you know, a different town 92 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:43.920 and getting alcohol and bringing it back. You know. So 93 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:49.639 it's just it's such a like the land just kind 94 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:55.519 of holds this negativity and it to me, it seems 95 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:58.959 like it's like a hot spot for like cryptids and 96 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:03.360 and things you know that just kind of a lot 97 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:07.839 of people don't talk about. And I think with it too, 98 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:10.759 it's like a lot of people that are Native American 99 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:12.839 don't talk about it because we're told not to talk 100 00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:13.319 about it. 101 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:16.120 But I talk about today. 102 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:19.560 Yes, we're going to talk about it today because I 103 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:23.879 just feel like it's time. You know. I watched my 104 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:28.079 father and he was working with the eighteen fifty five treaties, 105 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:31.040 and when he passed away, he took that knowledge of 106 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:35.439 the treaties and how to put land in trust for 107 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:41.160 the reservation for the people, and you know it basically 108 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:44.519 it died with him, and so I'm kind of looking 109 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:47.720 at things differently now, you know, I'm looking at you know, 110 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:50.120 we should be sharing this. You know, we all came 111 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:53.560 from the same place. I mean, I talked to I 112 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:57.360 had a Zuni elder on my show. I'm doing. Another 113 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:01.839 podcast is called Prime Indigenous One Tribe, and I wanted 114 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:06.800 to do a lot of showcasing of Indigenous different tribes 115 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:10.480 and also people that I've met that are very spiritual, 116 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:14.000 that you know, that I go to because you know, 117 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:16.199 to me, they're gurus that you know, I can I 118 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:18.759 can talk to them about different things. But they're very spiritual. 119 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:23.040 They're very in tune to nature. And that's like one 120 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:26.120 of the things that people don't understand of what makes 121 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:32.439 Native Americans different from say somebody else that is not Indigenous. 122 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:37.319 You know, there's just that respect of nature and and 123 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:43.040 all things. And I think once people start to realize that, 124 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:45.240 you know, and people laugh at me when I say, 125 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:49.399 even rocks are sentient, they hold energy. Trees are sentient. 126 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:51.319 I mean, I hear a tree out here and I 127 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:55.160 go out, you know, I mean, I talked to them. 128 00:07:56.199 --> 00:07:59.720 I have a bush right outside my window here in 129 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:04.639 this studio, and it'll tap on my window, and it'll 130 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:06.720 do that if somebody else's in here, it thinks it's me, 131 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:09.079 it'll tap on the window because I opened the window 132 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:13.959 and I talked to Because all things are sentient, all 133 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:17.800 animals as well, and I think that people need to 134 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:19.079 see that a little bit more. 135 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:23.480 I agree with you. I mean, it's interesting that you 136 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:30.959 brought up the Zunies. My uncle got really involved in 137 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:34.240 researching the Zunis and he actually opened a restaurant called 138 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:38.600 Zuni on Broadway in New York. And this was many 139 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:42.480 years ago. He's it's been sold since now for over 140 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:46.559 a decade. But he just served the food and the 141 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:50.159 place was decorated like the traditional stuff. It was like 142 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:53.840 an incredible experience to walk in there and see what 143 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:59.080 it was like. And my young mind kind of got 144 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:03.039 fascinated with American culture and just do how everything was 145 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:06.159 just it's to me at the time, it seemed like 146 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:11.039 it was completely opposite to everything in Western culture, and 147 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:13.559 it's just I don't know, I don't know how to 148 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:17.159 describe it, but I still have that yearning to find 149 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:21.559 out more about what it's like. Maybe I just had 150 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:23.960 a past life as a Native American or something. 151 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:27.759 Oh, you know, You're not the only one that has 152 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:30.159 said that to me. You know, a lot of people say, 153 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:32.200 you know, I just come in. You know, you show 154 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:36.919 a lot of respect and reverence for you being you know, Indigenous. 155 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:40.799 And what was it like growing up? Wow, it wasn't 156 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:43.879 you know. We weren't doing ceremonies every day, you know, 157 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:48.320 or going to powers or you know. It was a struggle. 158 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:52.440 I mean, I remember I was probably like three, maybe four, 159 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:56.320 definitely right around the time that I was entering preschool 160 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:00.759 or you know, before kindergarten, and the house we lived 161 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:05.120 in was just a two door shack. Basically it had 162 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:07.600 no running water, so we had to do haul water 163 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:09.759 for my uncle's house, which was probably about a mile 164 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:16.240 down the road. And we had an outhouse like out 165 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:20.919 back behind in our backyard that was probably about I 166 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:25.519 don't know, probably a couple of yards three three yards 167 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:30.519 from the house. And if it was wintertime, you know, 168 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:34.720 it was cold, and being only three or four, you know, 169 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:37.559 I didn't want to go outside. So we had like 170 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:40.399 a little bucket, you know, and then my mom would 171 00:10:40.519 --> 00:10:42.519 like go and throw it away, you know, in the 172 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:46.039 mornings and stuff. So I grew up really, you know, 173 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:51.720 not really well off. My parents weren't really well off. Sometimes, 174 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:53.879 you know, my mom would have to go out go 175 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:57.120 without eating so that my sister and I could eat, 176 00:10:57.279 --> 00:10:59.240 you know, just things like that, you know. I mean 177 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:02.759 they put Christmas, a lot of stuff into Christmas, and 178 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:05.679 you know they wouldn't my parents wouldn't give them give 179 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:08.840 themselves anything. You know, it was just for the kids. 180 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:16.360 So yeah, it wasn't all moonlight and roses growing up 181 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:19.600 on the reservation. It's a very poor community most of 182 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:22.960 the time. I'm from the Wide earth Band of Ojibweys, 183 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:27.240 which is located in Minnesota, and we have the largest 184 00:11:27.320 --> 00:11:32.039 reservation in that state. But we are also the poorest 185 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:37.879 as well. So I mean it's it's it's not fabulous 186 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:41.600 to you know. I mean it's cool. I mean I 187 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:44.480 grew up seeing a lot of things to go very 188 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:47.840 picking in my uncle's yard, backyard, you know, all the 189 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:50.279 way back, you know, where we couldn't see the house. 190 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:55.960 And you know, my cousin, you know, my uncle's was 191 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:59.919 his wife's kid would kill a deer and I remember 192 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:02.519 we drive into the yard and we would see the 193 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:04.320 deer hanging up, you know what I mean, it was 194 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:06.720 gutted and it was just a you know, an empty 195 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:11.240 carcass hanging out to dry so that they could remove 196 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:13.879 you know, the hide, which we use like a lot 197 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:18.960 of the buckskin for you know, garments for ceremonial, for 198 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:23.360 power hours and stuff. The males have like a you know, 199 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:27.159 a loin cloth a little bit bigger. You know, they 200 00:12:27.159 --> 00:12:29.360 wear shorts under it. So it's not like you know, 201 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:34.919 it's it's indecent rything like that. But also you know, 202 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:39.000 the women, depending on what they they dance, Like if 203 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:41.240 you have someone who's a jingle dress, most of it 204 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:44.039 is made up of cloth and then like metal jingles, 205 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:46.960 or you can save the hoofs of a deer, a 206 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:49.879 very young deer, and you can make jingles with that 207 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:57.080 and with like say, the traditional garments are made out 208 00:12:57.159 --> 00:13:01.879 of you know, the skins of the deer, their buckskin. 209 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:06.200 And I don't know, I just grew up seeing all this. 210 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:10.159 So I mean, it's when people are kind enough to 211 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:14.399 stop and ask me about things, and it's kind of 212 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:17.519 I get to see it through their eyes that you know, 213 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:20.840 it is pretty cool. But you know, there are pros 214 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:24.240 and you know, good things and bad things about living 215 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:28.679 on the reservation. I remember I moved to New York 216 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:31.120 for a couple of years after nine to eleven, and 217 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:34.639 a lot of people, you know, kind of dismiss me. 218 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:36.840 But I was like talking to someone. They overheard that 219 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:39.799 I was Native American, that I was from a tribe, 220 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:42.919 and I had people that were lined up at the 221 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:46.559 deli just to talk to me and ask me questions, 222 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:50.679 you know, just normal everyday questions that that you know, 223 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:52.679 you know when you're two or three. But you know, 224 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:55.600 a lot of people don't know about it. So I mean, 225 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:59.120 I feel like it's we should be sharing some of 226 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:05.519 that it shouldn't be, you know, such as secrets. But 227 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:07.879 you know, I can see that there are some things 228 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:11.679 that you know, we have other cryptids that need our 229 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:14.759 protection and that live in our lands, and we certainly 230 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:18.000 don't want anybody to come on our lands and try 231 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:23.919 to you know, capture on alive or you know, do 232 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:27.759 harass you know. I mean, it's just like you or 233 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:30.120 me living somewhere. You know, you wouldn't want someone coming 234 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:33.399 in your yard, you know, who are asking you, trying 235 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:37.840 to take pictures and just basically causing a lot of chaos. 236 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:42.559 So you know, we just asked that everybody honor when 237 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:45.279 we say that, you know, some type of cryptid lives 238 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:50.720 on our reservation, please don't go and try to capture 239 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:53.879 it or go to even bother to look at it, 240 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:57.720 because you know, it's just it's a natural habitat and 241 00:14:57.759 --> 00:15:00.000 we just want to keep it the way it is, 242 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:04.559 and just be respectful of a lot of things that 243 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:08.519 natives will be talking about or might not be talking about. 244 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:12.360 And not everybody is going to be as you know, 245 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:17.919 wanting to share as as you know myself or or 246 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:22.759 anyone else. So I just you know, respect, That's that's 247 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:26.480 the main thing that should be going around. But funny 248 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:29.080 that you should mention that about Zoomy because I know, 249 00:15:29.279 --> 00:15:35.279 the first guest for my Prime Indigenous One Tribe podcast, 250 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:39.480 he was talking about like you'll have to go and see, 251 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:41.720 but he was talking about an area in the United 252 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:45.360 States and that was like the birth pit, birthplace of 253 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:50.159 every person, you know, every of every color and language. 254 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:55.279 And basically when they came out of that whole and 255 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:58.159 came out from underneath to come and live, they all 256 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:03.279 spoke the same language. But you know, there are forces 257 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:09.200 that work against us and have since like that very 258 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:13.279 beginning that you know, they like cause other people to 259 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:18.320 have different languages and different ways of doing things and know, 260 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:20.440 and then they made it seem like, you know, we 261 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:23.919 should be segregated from others or I feel like we're 262 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:26.720 above others. You know, that's not the way it should be. 263 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:30.200 We're all we all came from the same place, you know, 264 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:35.039 we're doesn't matter you know who's darker skinned or who's 265 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:37.840 lighter skinned. I don't really look at that. I look 266 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:40.919 at energy. So if you're gonna come to me, you know, 267 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:44.320 and talk to me, I'm not gonna look at any 268 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:47.039 thing that you know, how you dress, what you drive, 269 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:49.279 or anything, the color of your skin, color of your eyes. 270 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:52.320 I'm gonna look at your energy. If you got a 271 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:56.840 good aura and good energy, you know, we can chat. 272 00:16:57.159 --> 00:16:59.799 But if I don't like you know something about you 273 00:16:59.879 --> 00:17:03.240 or or something, I'm just gonna excuse myself and be 274 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:06.240 very polite. But I'm not I'm not going to entertain 275 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:07.319 that type of energy. 276 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:11.519 So what were some of the common ceremonies that you 277 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:12.599 witnessed growing up? 278 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:19.519 I guess one of the ones that I witnessed was 279 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:25.799 a sweat lodge, and that is you know, you can 280 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:28.480 male and female can do sweats. But when it comes 281 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:33.599 to it, the medicine man said that our sweat lodges. 282 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:36.920 I can't speak for anybody else's, but for the jibway, 283 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:41.839 it's like a series of of of branches that bend 284 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:44.640 over and it's kind of like a like a tent, 285 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:49.759 and then you use like blankets or or possibly you know, 286 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:54.240 things to keep this like the hot sna inside, and 287 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:57.279 then you'll have like a fire and you'll have rocks, 288 00:17:57.319 --> 00:17:59.720 and you'll have water and you pour it's just like 289 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:02.799 a on it and you stay in there, and you 290 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:05.359 staying there for a while. So I mean a lot 291 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:07.920 of people have issues of staying in there because you know, 292 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:11.319 with being in a like a hat like a sauna, 293 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:17.440 it gets hard to breathe. But you know, only women 294 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:25.240 can put this lodge, the ceremonial lodge up. Men are 295 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:25.920 not allowed to. 296 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:26.799 Uh. 297 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:29.039 There can be the medicine man there telling him how 298 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:31.400 you know, if they need his help or he is, 299 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:35.000 you know here, you use this instead of that. You know, 300 00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:37.559 he's kind of there to just you know, keep it 301 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:40.319 the way it's supposed to be. But the women are 302 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:43.319 the ones that are erected. And when you go into 303 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:47.039 the lodge. You sit in there for a long time, 304 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:51.039 and what it's made to represent because of the roundness 305 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:54.640 of it, it's it's rebirth. You go inside the lodge, 306 00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:58.519 what is round like that a pregnant woman. You go 307 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:01.960 into this what lodge and it's made to be mother 308 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:06.279 like earth like, like get your money, do we quays? 309 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:09.960 It's a mother. So you go in and you come out, 310 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:14.480 and you were reborn. You were born, you know. So 311 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:17.519 it's kind of going in and you know, either you're 312 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:21.799 going to hear nothing. You might hear singing, you might 313 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:25.759 hear ojibwei and you don't know who's speaking. You might 314 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:28.319 see a vision, you don't know, you know what I mean. 315 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:32.599 I used to just go in there and just just 316 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:37.599 close my eyes, you know, and and relaxed because it 317 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:39.559 was very soothing to me to be in such a 318 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:42.799 hot environment, you know, which is a lot like how 319 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:45.960 we came into this world. We were in a very warm, 320 00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:51.000 cozy environment before we are born. 321 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:56.480 Very interesting. So you mentioned visions and stuff like, what 322 00:19:56.559 --> 00:19:57.799 kinds of stuff do people see? 323 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:03.720 I didn't really see anything when I said. That's why 324 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:06.039 I said, some people do, some people don't. I wasn't 325 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:08.440 really in touch with a lot of my spiritual side 326 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:14.200 when I was doing this, and I don't want to 327 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:19.039 talk about anybody that shared their vision with me, so 328 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:22.799 I'll kind of go into a little bit of I 329 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:27.160 was outside this past summer, and this is the only 330 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:31.599 time I've ever had a vision. I was sitting there 331 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:34.960 and it was like I could see like this. It 332 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:38.720 was almost like this symbol or it looked like a 333 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:42.279 series of just straight lines and it was kind of 334 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:46.400 like a It wasn't really round, but it was kind 335 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:49.680 of like a like a symbol of something, and it 336 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:53.720 was made with crystalline lines. So it was extremely beautiful. 337 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:55.839 It was very very just like it would turn. You 338 00:20:55.839 --> 00:20:59.440 could just see how beautiful it was. And at the 339 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:03.759 very time was this strange thing that all of a 340 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:06.079 sudden just came out of it. And it was like 341 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:11.359 it wasn't a hawk, it wasn't an eagle, I would 342 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:16.039 have to say, it was very much like a phoenix 343 00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:21.240 or a thunderbird. And it started to fly very slowly, 344 00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:25.079 almost like slow motion, and it came out of that 345 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:29.799 crystalline logo and was like flying very slowly in front 346 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:32.480 of me and underneath it. I couldn't take my eyes 347 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:35.039 off of it, and I wanted to draw it, but 348 00:21:35.119 --> 00:21:37.200 I didn't have pen or paper in front of me, 349 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:39.839 and I was scared to get up because I was 350 00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:43.720 scared i'd lose it. So I was just watching with 351 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:47.160 awe and this bird started, you know, was flying, and 352 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:51.960 underneath the bird was like a profile of somebody, you know, 353 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:54.440 it was just the profile. And I saw the darker 354 00:21:54.519 --> 00:21:59.000 skin and I saw the long black hair. I couldn't 355 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:00.960 tell if it was a male or a female because 356 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:03.359 I didn't want to take my eyes off of this 357 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:06.599 this bird. And you know, I mean, if you know, 358 00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:09.960 the phoenix and the thunderbird are very very close. They're 359 00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:14.400 like cousins. And you'll see those on a lot of totems, 360 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:17.279 you know, with thunderbirds. And there are certain tribes that 361 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:21.640 feel that anyone who who has a vision and the 362 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:25.799 thunderbird shows itself to you, you become almost like a 363 00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:29.400 I don't want to say like a war chief, but 364 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:33.839 like a chief of some sort, you know, a warrior. 365 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:37.599 You know, it was it picked you, It chows you 366 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:41.799 to show itself to you, and you know, hopefully I 367 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:43.880 don't know if it yeah, I can't even remember what 368 00:22:43.920 --> 00:22:47.880 tribe it is. It might be Lakota, might be Chyenne. 369 00:22:47.880 --> 00:22:50.319 I can't remember. I'd have to do a search on it. 370 00:22:50.359 --> 00:22:57.880 But it's things like that, or seeing people that have 371 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:01.640 passed on, you know, and you can see them either 372 00:23:01.720 --> 00:23:08.400 astraally or you know, standing next to you. You know, 373 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:10.799 people are scared. I remember when I was little, I 374 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:14.000 was scared of of seeing you know, people that had 375 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:19.640 passed on, and I was so terrified that I just 376 00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:22.519 locked that part of me away. So now when I 377 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:27.759 see something, I usually just see a physical aspect of them, 378 00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:30.880 a very three D aspect of them, which is the clothes. 379 00:23:31.720 --> 00:23:36.279 I don't see you know, arms or hands or faces. 380 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:39.880 I just see clothes and looks like somebody's wearing them. 381 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:43.680 So I'm hoping that you know, it'll kind of filter 382 00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:46.599 through and I can, you know, start to see things 383 00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:53.039 I mean, my you know, from I don't know. I 384 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:54.960 just when I was like a little kid, I just 385 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:57.279 locked it away. So I'm hoping that I can unlock 386 00:23:57.400 --> 00:23:59.359 that and to be able to see some of the 387 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:03.240 things that I was too frightened to see. 388 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:05.920 Interesting. So tell me about some of the cryptids that 389 00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:08.880 live on land. 390 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:14.920 I remember there was I was talking about it, and 391 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:20.279 I was talking about Sabe and there was this guy 392 00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:22.599 that was like, oh my gosh, She's like, that's real, 393 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:27.960 and I was like, well, it's real to us, and 394 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:30.279 he goes, I heard somebody say that before, but we 395 00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:32.640 were all just making fun of them. And I was like, well, 396 00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:35.759 you know, next time that someone says something that you 397 00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:41.240 don't understand, ask you know what is that. You know, 398 00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:43.920 you don't have to make fun of somebody because of 399 00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:46.640 their belief I just don't understand that, you know. I mean, 400 00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:49.440 I'm not a very religious person, but I don't go 401 00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:52.960