WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.920 --> 00:00:02.720 Hey, Ryan, I got some great news for you. 2 00:00:03.439 --> 00:00:04.639 What's up? What's going on? 3 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:12.439 So I'm introducing a permanent third host. Oh whoa, Actually 4 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:15.240 it could be between you and I could be a 5 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.079 permanent second host, if you know what I mean. 6 00:00:17.960 --> 00:00:20.039 Oh, ok, So. 7 00:00:20.600 --> 00:00:28.160 All right, without further ado, Hello, welcome to Cuff's Basement. 8 00:00:28.239 --> 00:00:31.000 You are now going to be the third co host 9 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:34.159 live on the podcast. You're with Tim and Ryan right now. 10 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:39.960 Welcome to the show. Oh wow, thrilled to join the crew. 11 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:42.920 Thanks for having me on cuff Spacement. I'll do my 12 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:44.799 best to keep up with the banter. What are we 13 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:48.159 diving into today? Are you familiar with the Are you 14 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:50.640 familiar with the podcast Costs Basement and the host Tim 15 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:52.880 and Ryan? And you know, we've had a lot of episodes. 16 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:58.640 I actually haven't come across Cuffspacement before, but it sounds 17 00:00:58.679 --> 00:01:00.840 like you two have quite the upper ration going. 18 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:03.079 I'm curious what kind of topics. 19 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:03.600 Do you usually tackle? 20 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:07.000 Well, today we're talking about the Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy, 21 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:13.799 specifically the first movie Batman begins diving into Batman against 22 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:16.519 nice choice. That movie really laid the groundwork for the 23 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:17.280 whole trilogy. 24 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:20.040 So what angle are you both taking. 25 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:24.840 On it character development, themes or something else entirely. Hey, Ryan, 26 00:01:24.879 --> 00:01:26.000 do you mind just signing off? 27 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:27.079 Sure? 28 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:31.840 Absolutely, Ryan, Thanks for having us catch you next time. 29 00:01:32.200 --> 00:01:44.079 So's fixing the atendo making always like. 30 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:49.439 A fast root bess culture chaos and you say, like 31 00:01:49.439 --> 00:02:03.920 a lost pristy lass, like a walk your glass. Oh, 32 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:08.719 welcome back to cost Baseman. I would hope that our 33 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:11.759 third co hosts would do a little bit of research, 34 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:15.840 but she didn't. Also, she kept fact checking me, which 35 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:18.240 I really didn't appreciate. You know, I don't like, Oh. 36 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:21.000 That's true, you don't like that. 37 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:28.039 One thing I really like about AI is I know 38 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:30.800 AI can be wrong and people are still delusional, but 39 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:34.919 like it ends a lot of arguments, Like somebody on YouTube, 40 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:36.439 and I know that I should never get in an 41 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:39.240 argument with people in the comments. Somebody I saw somebody 42 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:43.479 commented on like a police bodycam video that it's It's 43 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:48.879 like they commented police bodycams finally showed that false accusations 44 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:54.759 against cops by black people are worse than police brutality 45 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:59.360 towards black people, And I was just like, wait, what 46 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:03.560 so I just I commented too on this person's comment. 47 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:06.120 I just wrote you should really like try to run 48 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:10.599 some stats or facts through a learning language model. I 49 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:14.319 think you'd be pretty disappointed. And then I literally did it, 50 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:17.879 and it was like, yeah, no, that's blatantly not true 51 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:21.879 based on like tons of statistics. Here you go. So 52 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:24.039 but I mean, I'm sure, well A I is wrong, 53 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:27.039 and like they don't do studies about this and people 54 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:29.639 don't report blah blah blah blah blah. But it really 55 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:31.560 like it helps you back up your argument in real 56 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:35.080 time pretty pretty easily, especially when somebody like RFK is 57 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:38.960 throwing out these random vaccine studies that you've never heard 58 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:40.360 of that you don't know if they're real or not. 59 00:03:41.759 --> 00:03:43.680 You know, like, how do you fact check that in 60 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:47.319 real time? So it's nice, all right. 61 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:51.400 He's been in my head a lot recently. 62 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:55.199 In my car, yelling like random things and just thinking 63 00:03:55.199 --> 00:04:02.039 of his voice saying stuff. It's uh, it's it's very 64 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:04.560 mean because of course, what does what does he have? 65 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:05.800 What is the thing he has? 66 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:09.840 I don't know. I know that there's like a medical 67 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:11.960 explanation for it, but I don't know. 68 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:15.199 I've just been in my car just thinking of like 69 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:18.120 the most random ship he could like rattle off to 70 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:21.680 be like completely insane, Like, did you know if like 71 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:26.279 you leave percarsto soup out in the sun, it can 72 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:31.759 probably cure any illness at least three days, at least 73 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:32.920 cap off. 74 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:35.480 That reminds me of the Tim Heideker thing when Tim 75 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:39.959 Hideker spoofed Joe Rogan's podcast and he said, have you guys, 76 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:42.560 you guys heard of crab salts and his two guests 77 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:45.199 are like, no, oh, you haven't heard of crab salts. 78 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:48.720 Crab salts what they do is they can actually cure 79 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:52.319 all disease, and his guests are like, oh wow. And 80 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:57.319 then he started selling crab salt t shirts and he 81 00:04:57.360 --> 00:04:59.639 had like the big fud Ruckers logo in the background 82 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:03.000 that was we're getting We're getting off the rails here. 83 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:05.319 It's okay, we're here. 84 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:07.439 What no go ahead? 85 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:10.000 I was. It was just a voice stuck in my head. 86 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:11.120 But don't worry. 87 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:14.600 It's been replaced by many others from this specific movie 88 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:15.879 this week, so it's been great. 89 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:19.120 Oh you did an amazing falcony. We'll get to him. 90 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:21.120 You sent me a voice note and I was like 91 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:24.240 that falcony because what's the actor's name? 92 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:26.439 The British actor there's Tom Wilkinson. 93 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:29.360 Tom Wilkinson. Yeah, yeah, we all know Tom Wilkinson. He 94 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:35.519 does he's doing like a New York like mafioso voice, 95 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:39.319 but it's it's it's not really bad, but it's like 96 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:42.519 on the it's bouncing on the edge of really bad. 97 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:45.399 You can tell he really has to do it based 98 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:47.680 on his face. He really has to like make the 99 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:50.199 face to make it work. Yeah, I think he's not bad. 100 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:51.720 He's fine, he's fine. 101 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:53.560 But give us, give us a little like when did 102 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:55.600 the nuts start running the nuthouse? That's what you sent me? 103 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:56.519 Can you hit him? 104 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:00.560 Oh yeah, when did the when one of the knot 105 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:05.160 start running the knockhouse? Yeah, it's like, oh, doctor, I'm 106 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:09.120 having visions. But no, we'll get to this character. 107 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:11.439 But Gary Oldman is in this movie is one of 108 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:13.439 my favorite voices in my head of all time. 109 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:14.920 Especially the end of this movie. 110 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:17.879 It's some of that word sandwich is tough for him 111 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:20.480 with the American accent, and it's I love it. 112 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:21.600 I think of it all the time. 113 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:23.600 I think he has a great American accent in this. 114 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:26.120 He does a very good job. But at the end 115 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:29.120 it's we'll get to it. We'll get to it. It's okay. 116 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:33.160 Yeah, yeah, So this movie is called the Beginning of Batman. 117 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:37.360 It came out in what year? Ryan? 118 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:39.600 It came out in two thousand and five. 119 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:44.480 Wow, okay, and it's it is directed by who Ryan? 120 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:46.319 Directed by Christopher Nolan. 121 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:47.639 Never heard of him? 122 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:48.319 Really? 123 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:50.560 The score is this is? 124 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:52.480 This is kind of all he did. Yeah. 125 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:59.279 So at this point he had done Memento, which everybody, 126 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:03.720 like every high schooler is like, oh I saw Memento, 127 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:07.240 Like I understand independent cinema. It's amazing. If you know 128 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:10.319 anything about movies, you used to see Memento. Memento is 129 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:13.319 very good. I'm not making fun of it. But he 130 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:17.279 also did what was the was it following was before Memento? 131 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:19.360 Following was before yeap? 132 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:23.319 And then did he do Insomnia? 133 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:28.600 Insomnia is after Memento, and it's before this is that's 134 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:33.399 the one before this. It's the last sane Pacino movie. 135 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:34.439 I'll describe it. 136 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:35.920 Yeah, Insomnia is good. 137 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:39.519 It's a it's a it's very underrated. 138 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:42.360 Underrated Nolan movie, totally forgotten. But it's starring Robin Williams 139 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:43.600 and Al Pacino. 140 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:46.000 And he's great at it too. Williams is so good 141 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:46.800 that this. 142 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:50.079 Is during like the side the photo guy phase of 143 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:52.759 Robin Williams career where he was just like people were like, 144 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:54.800 oh shit, more caan mindy. This dude is like an 145 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:59.240 Oscar winning amazing actor. What the hell? And I mean 146 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:01.319 he really did it no business being this good. But 147 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:04.199 one Hour Photo is great and Insomnia it takes place 148 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:07.000 in Alaska where it's like when it's bright all the time, 149 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:07.800 the sun never sets. 150 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:11.600 Ye right, yep, yeah, yeah, it's a good remake. I'm 151 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:15.279 a kind of famous. I think it's is it Swedish 152 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:17.480 or Norwegian? With still in Scarsguard. 153 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:20.439 Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know that. 154 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:22.000 Yeah, and it's actually a recent remake. 155 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:24.800 I didn't's like a I think it's ninety seven is 156 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:27.319 the original and then in two thousand and two is Insomnia. 157 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:29.920 But people should check that out. I haven't seen that 158 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:31.720 in a while myself, but I remember that being really good. 159 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:32.480 Yeah. 160 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:36.080 I honestly like film nerds probably hate me for saying this. 161 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:40.320 I like when American studios do that sometimes, when they 162 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:42.480 take like a really good foreign language film and just 163 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:45.039 make an American version of it because you already know 164 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:48.320 the movie is gonna is really good. Sometimes it works out, 165 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:52.120 sometimes it doesn't. Like Old Boy, the Spike Lee remake 166 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:53.039 didn't really work out. 167 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:56.240 Vanishing. The Vanishing was brutal, the remake. 168 00:08:57.840 --> 00:08:59.240 The Vanishing. I don't know, I don't know what you're 169 00:08:59.240 --> 00:08:59.720 talking about. 170 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:01.360 You've never heard of the Vanishing? 171 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:07.120 No, no, so very I think you'd love it. Honestly, 172 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:09.240 it's a very kind of famous thing. It's like late 173 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:13.200 eighties serial killer movie. A guy's girlfriend disappears and he 174 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:16.480 believes this person did it, so he meets he goes 175 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:18.919 find this guy, and the whole movie's about their dynamic 176 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:20.720 of how like, Okay, if you think I did this, 177 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:23.440 then follow me. Actually it's kind of a Batman episode 178 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:25.120 in a weird way, like the White Structure. It's like, okay, 179 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:27.879 if you think I did this, then do all this 180 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:30.480 stuff and to prove me wrong. And they remade it 181 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:33.080 with Jeff Bridges as the guy, and Jeff Bridges does 182 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:36.159 like the accent from the movie, and it's just not good. 183 00:09:36.279 --> 00:09:37.039 It's not great. 184 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:41.879 But when when that amazing movie another round? Is that 185 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:42.480 what it's called? 186 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:44.919 Yes, that's is that. 187 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:47.279 Norwegian? 188 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:50.320 What is it? I think it's Danish? 189 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:55.120 Danish? Danish, But it's the greatest plot of the greatest 190 00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:59.519 movie Pitch of all time. It's like, basically, they discover 191 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:04.039 these guys. I discovered their best functionality is slightly buzzed. 192 00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:08.080 If they can stay like slightly buzzed, not too drunk, 193 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:12.799 not sober, just slightly buzzed, they always perform better in 194 00:10:12.799 --> 00:10:17.000 every situation, Like they're friendlier, they're happier, they're better socially. 195 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:21.519 And that movie was amazing And I heard that like 196 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:24.639 Leonardo DiCaprio bought the rights to remake it, and I 197 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:27.320 thought I would totally see a remake, an American remake 198 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:27.639 of this. 199 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:31.399 If he did that, that would be so so interesting 200 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:36.799 and so cool. Yeah, yeah, that would be so cool. 201 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:39.720 I think it has definitely mixed results. I feel like, 202 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:43.080 also like let the Right One In is a tough one. 203 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:45.960 The original is so good, yeah, and the remake is 204 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:48.120 not bad. The remake is truly not bad. I don't 205 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:51.080 think it's a terrible movie. Counted a Batman. It's the 206 00:10:51.080 --> 00:10:54.440 same director of The Batman from twenty twenty two, but 207 00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:58.120 it's to me it is truly can be a roll 208 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:00.639 the dice with some of them can be really awful. 209 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:04.120 Yes, they can be very, very very bad. But I 210 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:06.399 feel like Andy Juno would hate this take, but I 211 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:08.919 kind of like seeing our attempt. 212 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:13.559 I feel like when they do it different enough is 213 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:17.039 when it's the most strong, like just take the core 214 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:21.399 concept and go with it, or like take the you know, 215 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:24.559 American eyes it. I guess the best way to put 216 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:26.639 it is that like making a quote unquote like American 217 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:30.039 version of the story can be really interesting. It's weird 218 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:32.080 when they try, like the vanishing thing, like we're just 219 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:34.120 gonna try and make the same movie again. Sometimes they'll 220 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:37.759 actually even hire the same director, especially a lot of 221 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:42.600 the lot of Jharror, The Grudge, the Ring. They may 222 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:44.679 even hire the I don't think The Rings that case, 223 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:51.200 but it can be that way. But yeah, Chris, this 224 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:52.919 is pretty pretty early in the game for him. 225 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:56.960 He'd only done following Memento and Insomnia, so it's a big, 226 00:11:57.679 --> 00:12:01.519 big risk in my opinion to hire him to like, 227 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:04.279 this is going to be the most important Warner Brothers 228 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:05.960 trilogy of the decade. 229 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:10.440 How exciting was that though? Oh my god, when you 230 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:13.759 heard that, Oh yeah, that was that. 231 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:16.159 Oh it was so thrilling to hear that because you 232 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:20.440 knew that, you know, following I don't really remember. Memento 233 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:23.639 is amazing. Insomnia was very good, but like it's not 234 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:25.279 going to be on your list of best movies of 235 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:28.919 all time, but you still were excited, like, Okay, this 236 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:31.120 could be really interesting to see what this guy does. 237 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:33.080 And it's it's fucking Batman. 238 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:34.679 It's fucking Batman. 239 00:12:34.759 --> 00:12:37.879 And also like, and we said we talked to this 240 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:39.759 in the pod before, but other like when we done 241 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:42.279 the franchises or done other movies, Like it is just 242 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:44.320 to me the most like thrilling thing is a movie 243 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:46.399 nerd when they're like, oh, they're getting this person to 244 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:48.240 do this, Like, oh, they're going to bring in this 245 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:51.080 guy to try that out, and. 246 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:52.559 That's always such a fun thing. 247 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:55.480 So like what what what take are they going to 248 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:58.440 put this on? Like like what. 249 00:12:58.360 --> 00:12:59.279 Are they going to adapt? 250 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:01.360 Because like you were saying in the intro pod, which 251 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:03.960 I think is really you would alluded to it in 252 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:06.759 the intro but like one of the best things about 253 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:08.120 the Batman universe I think. 254 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:12.679 Is truly one of the very few where. 255 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:19.720 It's so interpretable in such different ways but can still 256 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:22.759 be itself. And that's really hard to do well because 257 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:25.080 other people can interpret other properties and kind of fuck 258 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:27.600 it up or like hey, you changed too much, or 259 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:30.399 this is smashed beyond repair, or like you couldn't meet 260 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:31.039 the material. 261 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:32.600 I feel like if you look. 262 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:35.039 At Batman movies, like you said earlier, like TV shows 263 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:37.919 and whatnot, there's just so many ways you can do 264 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:38.440 this that. 265 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:39.240 Can be successful. 266 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:42.240 And like, even now that we've had kind of like 267 00:13:42.279 --> 00:13:45.799 a somewhat embarrassment, which is with this, you can still 268 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:47.519 think of like, oh, you know, they haven't done this 269 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:49.919 kind of you know, take on this yet, And that's 270 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:52.759 to me only speaks to the strength of this stuff 271 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:53.679 in this world. 272 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:56.960 Yeah, and we got we got to remember where Batman was. 273 00:13:57.039 --> 00:13:59.960 So we had Batman nineteen eighty nine, which like read 274 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:03.720 to find Batman in pop culture and like really just 275 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:07.679 set the table for Batman being like a cool adult 276 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:11.799 comic book character. Then we had Batman Returns, which was phenomenal, 277 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:14.440 but people thought it was too weird. I love it. 278 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:18.559 I think it's like if somebody told me, if you 279 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:20.519 say The Dark Knight is not the greatest Batman movie 280 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:23.240 of all time, I think you're legitimately crazy. But other 281 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:24.840 than The Dark Knight, if you told me the best 282 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:28.080 Batman movie of all time, as Batman returns, I'd be like, okay, 283 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:30.679 Like I don't really have a problem with that. 284 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:33.159 Yeah. 285 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:35.679 And then Batman Forever. I thought Val Kelmer was an 286 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:39.399 underrated Batman, but it was directed by Joel Schumacher. It 287 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:42.200 gets a little goofy because Schumacher is a little goofy, 288 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:46.120 and Jim Carrey a lot of people. He was a 289 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:49.519 very iconic Riddler, but people kind of hated it. And 290 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:52.000 Tommy Lee Jones is just awful as two Face. I 291 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:53.480 don't really blame him. 292 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:54.399 But he was just awful. 293 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:57.879 And then Batman and Robin in nineteen ninety seven, which 294 00:14:57.919 --> 00:15:01.799 was a complete fucking train rid shit show with George 295 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:07.679 Clooney as Batman, directed by Joel Schumacher. Again, so Batman 296 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:10.679 and Robin was very hated. Batman and Robb, Yeah, Batman 297 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:13.480 and Robin was very hated, and people are like, Okay, 298 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:16.679 Batman movies are dead. That was in nineteen ninety seven, 299 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:18.399 and this is eight years later. 300 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:22.240 Batman begins, Oh, that timeline is so scary to me. 301 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:30.279 There was a lot riding on this. Yeah, and yeah, 302 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:31.679 I think we should just dive into it. 303 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:37.159 Sure, can we point out another creative person involved? 304 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:40.240 I probably isn't talked about a lot with these movies. 305 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:41.960 David S. 306 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:46.240 Goyer is the co writer with Christopher Nolan. So Goyer 307 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:48.559 did the Blade movies. He's been attached to a lot 308 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:50.159 of other comic stuff. I think he's done a lot 309 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:51.799 of other uncredited comic stuff. 310 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:54.399 I love. 311 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:57.320 There's a great if people ever interested, uh as people 312 00:15:57.360 --> 00:15:59.919 will probably know this gammering horseshit that I usually talk about. 313 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:02.639 There's a great making of documentary. 314 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:08.279 About this movie, specifically when it came out, and. 315 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:09.440 Nolan, to his credit, was like I love the idea 316 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:11.240 of Batman as a character, but I don't have the 317 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:12.480 encyclopedic knowledge. 318 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:15.720 I need to find someone who does. So he David S. 319 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:18.519 Goyer at this point in time, you know, because of 320 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:21.399 Blade and stuff like that, was pretty prolific comic writer 321 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:24.360 and everything in terms of like comic movie writer and 322 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:28.440 Goyer just on this document he talks about how like 323 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:30.679 this was like the dream come true of life. Was 324 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:32.679 just like you get a call from this kind of 325 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:34.320 person being like do you want to help me write 326 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:35.000 a batmant movie? 327 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:36.799 It's like what the fuck do I need to do? 328 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:38.240 Like where do I go? 329 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:43.759 But just his impact on this kind of stuff is 330 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:47.960 pretty I think underrated unfortunately. I mean, we don't know 331 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:52.720 how much stuff he's been credited for, but he directed 332 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:54.600 one of the worst ones, which is Blade Trinity. But 333 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:56.960 it's just kind of like, I think he doesn't get 334 00:16:57.039 --> 00:16:59.279 enough props for being here at the ground floor with 335 00:16:59.320 --> 00:16:59.879 this movie. 336 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.679 Yeah, no, I forgot to mention him, and that's a 337 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:07.519 very good point, so thank you for doing that. This 338 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:11.240 movie begins with Bats in the air, get it because 339 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:13.400 it's Batman. You see a bunch of bats? 340 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:16.480 Should we again, should we just start like making up 341 00:17:16.640 --> 00:17:19.119 because we didn't ask I didn't ask Aracter the music, 342 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:21.319 so we just do like the sound effects of just 343 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:26.279 like the I call it like the wolf a what 344 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:28.480 the opening card is just the humming sound like they 345 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:30.480 do with Dune. 346 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:34.799 Bump bum but at him, bump bum but at him, 347 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:35.440 bump bum. 348 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:43.680 Chris, I'm thinking all harmonica. But yes, we uh start 349 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:44.519 with the bats opening. 350 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:48.200 And there's a little boy, Bruce Wayne, who's playing with 351 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:53.240 a little girl named Rachel and he falls down an 352 00:17:53.319 --> 00:18:00.279 old well on the property and he's injured in well. 353 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:02.160 It's got to be really scarier a little boy and 354 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:05.039 there's like a hole in the wall of the well 355 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:08.400 and he hears sort of a noise coming from the 356 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:11.279 hole in the wall and what what flies out of 357 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:11.759 the hole? 358 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:15.440 Ryan a giant parakeet. 359 00:18:20.319 --> 00:18:20.599 Bats. 360 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:22.920 No, it's bats, it's a yes. 361 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:27.440 Cut to adult Bruce Wayne is played by This is 362 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:32.960 minorly controversial at the time. A British actor, Christian Bale, 363 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:37.359 wakes up in an Asian prison. I think he's in China. 364 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:41.759 I do. I don't really know, but he was like Nepal. 365 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:44.839 I could be wrong, Nepal. Maybe you're right, maybe you're maybe. Yeah, 366 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:49.640 it seems like mountainous region. But he spoke in an 367 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:53.000 American accent the entire filming, right, isn't that true? 368 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:56.480 Really? And like outside not shooting too really. 369 00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:58.480 Well, so like on set, I. 370 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:01.240 Mean yeah, like like when they're like okay, yeah. 371 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:02.880 Because I heard I can't remember who it was, but 372 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:06.160 somebody told a story where the whole time, like they 373 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:08.880 knew Christian Bale was British, but the whole time they 374 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:11.720 filmed the movie, he was speaking in an American accent, 375 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:15.319 like in between takes and on set in his trailer, 376 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:19.519 like having lunch talking to people. And then the final 377 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:22.640 day they wrapped the movie and they went to like 378 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:24.680 a bar, or they went to a restaurant or something 379 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:27.680 to celebrate, and the guy walked up and was like, oh, 380 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:29.519 so what are you doing next? And he's like, well, 381 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:31.920 I'll go home rot to me family. And he was 382 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:32.880 like what what? 383 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:36.680 What is going on to new character characters working out right? 384 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:39.200 So because he knew, he was like, this is such 385 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:43.640 an iconic American character. I would say, like older people 386 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:47.359 like Jerry Seinfeld's Asian older think the most important American 387 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:51.160 compole character is Superman. I and a lot of people 388 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:54.680 think that like the greatest. A lot of old boomers 389 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:58.000 who are fucking clueless think that like Superman with the 390 00:19:58.039 --> 00:20:00.200 Christopher Reeves is the greatest comp but most imp orton 391 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:04.480 Gombook movie ever, Batman is the most important compook character 392 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:05.200 of all time. 393 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:08.759 It's an interesting thing to say that though, because that 394 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:13.240 movie is Nolan has said Newmerous Times is in terms 395 00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:17.000 of how that movie was made, very influential on this movie. 396 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:19.759 I also think that back when that movie came out, 397 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:21.279 there wasn't a lot of these so that was kind 398 00:20:21.279 --> 00:20:24.079 of like surprising how well that movie came out for 399 00:20:24.119 --> 00:20:24.440 what it is. 400 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:26.200 I haven't seen that movie forever actually myself. 401 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:31.640