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That's s doubleatva dot 12 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:40.039 com slash ologies. 13 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:40.880 What a dream? 14 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:45.240 Oh why it's still your friend's fiance who commits everything 15 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:49.200 to spreadsheets? It's Ali Ward. This is part two of Onerology. 16 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:52.439 We cover so many burning questions in the field of 17 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:56.039 dreams with one of the world's top researchers. Go back 18 00:00:56.079 --> 00:00:58.240 to part one and start there. What are you doing? 19 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:01.000 This is part two? Go back start with that. Come 20 00:01:01.039 --> 00:01:04.239 back here. Okay, let's get the good stuff, but really quick. 21 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:06.840 Thank you to everyone at Patreon dot com, slash Ologies 22 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:09.920 who've submitted questions for this It costs a dollar a 23 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:12.959 month or more to join. Thanks to everyone rating and 24 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:17.760 subscribing and leaving reviews. Also, I read every single one. 25 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:20.200 There were so many lovely ones this week. But I 26 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:24.040 have to shout out Tremendous who shared the show with 27 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:27.799 their husband, who looked it up and said that I'm 28 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:29.000 their mom's cousin. 29 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:32.239 Here's the deal. My dad was one of eleven and 30 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:35.120 my mom was one of six. I have so many 31 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:38.760 cousins were related to most of Montana, so I'll be honest. 32 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:41.879 I have no idea who Tremendous is. I don't know 33 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:45.400 which cousins child spouse wrote that, but shoot me a text. 34 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:49.920 People were family, Okay. On neurology dreams, chuck yourself in 35 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:56.120 for answers about where creativity comes, neuroimaging, the imagination, creepy 36 00:01:56.359 --> 00:02:01.879 tooth dreams, foods and dreams, mental health and dreaming, relaxed 37 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:07.879 fish medications, and your sleep Lucid dreaming a newly discovered 38 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:11.159 part of the brain. What sleep stages are important for 39 00:02:11.280 --> 00:02:14.800 cleaning out your brain, your dog's naps, and more with 40 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:23.120 author researcher, psychology and sociology professor dream expert and owneurologist, 41 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:25.120 doctor g William Domhoff. 42 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:47.080 Can I ask a few questions from listeners, from people 43 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:50.199 who listening now, No, not right now, but they know 44 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:51.039 that you're coming on. 45 00:02:51.599 --> 00:03:00.960 Oh I told them, and now you're a say that. 46 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:05.159 No, not a hot mic at all. Okay, this inquiry 47 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:08.400 was burning a hole in the minds of Hannah News, Dantuin, 48 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:13.080 Mazie Lopez, Corey Jesswan, and first time question askers Andy Cornaccia, 49 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:17.439 Trevor Derning, Marvette Fudge, Jess Nan, and Travis Gibson, who 50 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:21.360 all needed info on whether our dreams have any meaning? 51 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:23.960 What's the point? So yes, everyone needed to know that 52 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:27.000 straight out of the gate. Okay, a ton of people 53 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:31.680 want to know. Essentially, Joe Mueller wants to do things 54 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:35.360 really have meaning and dreams like seeing certain objects or 55 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:39.800 the recurring dream of teeth falling out like so many 56 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:41.840 people have the dream of their teeth are falling out, 57 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:42.800 which seems weird. 58 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:48.439 Do they have any meaning? First of all, people do 59 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:53.919 have certain common dreams like flying they under their own power, 60 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:59.479 or teeth falling out, but they're very rare, in other words, 61 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:01.759 in your whole dream life. And we've we've studied this 62 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:05.280 by like, we have two week dream journals from students 63 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:09.840 and one percent of them, you know, four dreams out 64 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:14.599 of hundreds will have teeth falling out, and certain individuals 65 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:16.639 will have it. But if we all talk about it, 66 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:20.720 this is where a whole not being rigorous and in 67 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:23.759 the lab and really you know, not projecting things on 68 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:29.079 your participants. We call it creating demand characteristics and creating expectations. 69 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:32.560 And also if you've heard a lot that people have 70 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:35.720 dreams that their teeth fall out pretty soon you think 71 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:39.160 you have one or you have, but they're very rare. 72 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:41.720 But they are the kind of dreams that we really 73 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:46.879 studied a lot to try to get to this symbolic meaning. 74 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:50.560 But I honestly don't know what the symbolic meaning of 75 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:54.879 that is in dreams. If there is any symbolism, there 76 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:58.680 could be symbolism. You know, for Freudians it's castration. I think, 77 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:00.720 you know, teeth falling. 78 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:04.160 Out Patron's Mallory Skinner, Kat and first time question askers 79 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:07.399 Christian rob Justin Goodheart and Leanne Murray as well as 80 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:11.480 me your father, have all had nightmares of teeth rotting 81 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:15.639 out of our skull and just falling out like overripe 82 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:18.560 peaches from a tree. What does Domhoff say about this? 83 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:23.600 But for your teeth listeners, Yes, your teethe listeners. Go 84 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:28.199 on dreambank dot net. Pick we've got it limited, so 85 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:31.720 the thing doesn't crash. Pick two dreams series at a time, 86 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:36.319 and put in the word teeth, teeth, put teeth and tooth. 87 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:40.160 Put it in or mode or so it'll be tooth 88 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:46.639 or teeth, And in three seconds it will tell you 89 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:51.519 how many dreams have a tooth in it? Huh? And 90 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:53.839 it'll give you a tooth column and a teeth scull. 91 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:58.879 So if you put in tooth, teeth, gums, tongue, mouths, 92 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:01.959 you'd get I call him for each one, and you'd 93 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:03.879 get what's call a contingency. 94 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:07.759 Let's take a little down the teeth dreams timeline of 95 00:06:07.800 --> 00:06:09.519 life to get to the bottom of it. Shall we 96 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:13.480 I need to? Okay? So, in his nineteen hundred publication 97 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:18.079 The Interpretation of Dreams, one doctor Sigmund Freud said that 98 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:23.399 dental dreams are mental dreams, and they represent issues with 99 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:28.800 things like castration and repressed sexual urges and the compulsive 100 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:31.720 desire to pleasure ones self. So I went to make 101 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:35.120 a withdrawal from doctor dom Hoff's dreambank dot net, and 102 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:38.040 I looked into his archive to find that, yes, the 103 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:43.120 percentage of the twenty thousand collected dreams that even mentioned 104 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:45.959 tooth or teeth is very low. It's less than a percent, 105 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:48.959 and some of those are just mentioning a toothbrush and 106 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:52.759 not even tooth trauma. I read one dream account from 107 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:57.519 a participant identifying as Barb, who dreamt on March second, 108 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:00.079 nineteen eighty one. Quote, we go to the park par 109 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:03.160 I'm wearing a long formal gown and I have one 110 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:06.519 high heeled shoe on and one off. I walk on 111 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:08.920 tiptoes with the right foot and hope no one notices 112 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:11.920 my missing shoe. There is a buffet table, lots of 113 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:16.160 high class snotty women. A tooth with a feather on 114 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:20.439 it falls out of my mouth onto the table. I'm embarrassed, 115 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:24.319 I say, nonchalantly, Oh pardon, very french. 116 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:24.920 Like and classy. 117 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:27.720 I pick it up. It reminds me of an engagement ring. 118 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:31.439 I feel the empty place with my tongue. I realized 119 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:34.399 there had been another one that fell out sometime earlier. 120 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:36.240 Why did Barb dream this? 121 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:37.040 Also? 122 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:37.600 Barb? 123 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:40.439 I would party with you. You sound fun as hell 124 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:43.160 to be a mess with. Now I've heard that these dreams, 125 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:47.160 these kind of oral embarrassment and horror dreams, mean some 126 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:49.120 fear of a loss of control. But I looked up 127 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:52.000 a twenty twelve study to get some stats. It's called 128 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:54.839 Dream Motif Scale. It was published in the journal Dreaming, 129 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:59.040 and it provided some numbers on our fucked up teeth dreams. 130 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:03.319 And despite my assumption that one hundred percent of everyone 131 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:07.399 has these dreams, the researchers report that only thirty nine 132 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:10.680 percent of those studied had what they called a TD, 133 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:15.480 which stands for tooth dream at least once. Sixteen percent 134 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:19.399 of people reported that their TD were recurrent, and eight 135 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:23.519 percent were like, I have these all the damn time, doctor, 136 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:27.680 Why why? Why? And thankfully for us, there is a 137 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:31.240 twenty eighteen study that answer set and it's called Dreams 138 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:34.799 of Teeth Falling Out An Empirical Investigation of physiological and 139 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:38.279 psychological correlates. Thank God. Okay, so the authors of this 140 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:42.679 preface by saying teeth dreams are enigmatic because they don't 141 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:46.799 fall under the rubric of the continuity hypothesis, which just 142 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:50.159 means dreaming about normal shit that happens every day. But again, 143 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:53.120 why okay, this is huge, Hold on to your molars. 144 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:58.960 Their findings supported the dental irritation hypothesis, which means you 145 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:02.440 dream of teeth falling out when you have a dental problem. 146 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:07.399 That's it, sometimes months before it actually gives you any problems. 147 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:12.120 So maybe you're due for a crown replacement, or you 148 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:14.759 should slow down on the white strips. But let's get 149 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:15.720 to the cooler dreams. 150 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:19.399 But there's a better one that's tantalizing, and that is flying. 151 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:24.240 Because up is good in our thinking when we look 152 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:26.799 at all the work that's been done on meaning in 153 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:30.960 waking life, up is good, down is bad, left is bad, 154 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:34.600 right is good this kind of stuff. But flying, think 155 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:37.120 of all the metaphors. I'm walking on air, I'm high 156 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:39.799 as a kite. I hope they don't prick my balloon 157 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:44.919 and I fall, And so we express elation through height, 158 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:49.960 through flying. I'm walking on air, over the moon, over 159 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:53.960 the moon, the whole ring, cloud nine high right now, 160 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:58.039 And that's the kind of temptation. It just makes sense 161 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:02.320 to think those dreams must be symbolic. Two. In other words, 162 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:06.240 we have what one researcher calls a waking state bias, 163 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:10.480 so it lures us into putting more into the dream 164 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:12.840 that's there. Going back to that hypothetical, if I have 165 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:16.279 one hundred and fifty of your dreams, I think I 166 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:21.639 could know a lot about you, A whole lot. What 167 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:24.519 I know something you don't know. I don't think. So 168 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:28.279 what i'd know is what I would learn from you. 169 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.559 If I could sit down with you and say I 170 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:34.559 would like to have an anonymous interview with you for 171 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:37.600 research purposes, I wish you know answer as honestly as 172 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:40.679 you can, and I ask you what your feelings are 173 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:43.759 towards your mother, what your feelings are towards your two sisters, 174 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:47.720 What are some of your regrets, what are some of 175 00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:51.480 the things you worry about? I think that I would 176 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:54.440 then learn from that interview what I've already learned from 177 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:56.840 your dream If I wanted to know what I can 178 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:00.679 learn from your dreams, I think I've just view for 179 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:04.879 an hour in an anonymous, honest interview. And so that 180 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:10.639 means that dreams have meaning. Dreams have personal meaning. Occasionally 181 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:15.200 they'll have cultural meaning. For example, in societies they're hunting. 182 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:19.720 In gathering societies, they dream more of animals, lo and behold, 183 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:23.440 that's a cultural kind of difference, and of. 184 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:26.600 Course, for every member of every indigenous society all over 185 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:30.200 the world, there is a different relationship with dreaming. But 186 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:32.759 Professor Tomhoff also notes in his most recent book, The 187 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:36.600 Neurocognitive Theory of Dreaming, that his research has found, unsurprisingly 188 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:40.480 that the dreams of people in indigenous societies more often 189 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:44.600 feature them as the victims of aggression, which just mirrors 190 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:49.120 the very tragic reality both historically and presently. And a 191 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:51.840 paper on the Plane's Vision quest paradigm in the journal 192 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:55.960 American Indian noted that in Native in indigenous context, there's 193 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:59.720 typically quote no separation between the world as dreamed and 194 00:11:59.799 --> 00:12:04.039 the world as lived. It continues that in non indigenous culture, 195 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:08.279 the distinction between waking and dreaming is largely a consequence 196 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:12.320 of culturally reinforced theories of mind that have resulted in 197 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:17.080 a bifurcated worldview for most Euro Americans, so modern Western 198 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:20.919 culture separates them a bunch now. The nonprofit organization Worldwide 199 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:23.879 Indigenous Science Network has also started doing what they call 200 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:27.519 dream work, which is collecting dream journals and providing a 201 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:30.399 network to share the role of dreams in their lives. 202 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:34.840 But what about in our futures? So patrons Amy Naramatsu, R. J. Deutsche, 203 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:39.559 Emily Staffer, krab Brynn Mpeva, Victoria Edding, Zoe first time 204 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:44.519 question askers Ifana Chamatsko, Taylor, Clinton Nan fl Rabbit, Ariana O'Connor, 205 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:48.039 and Kaylin Bennett all wanted to know about that dreamy 206 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:53.919 nostalgia feeling and deja vu, and about nocturnal premonitions. What 207 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:57.120 has Professor Dohmhoff seen in his decades of research? 208 00:12:57.639 --> 00:13:03.240 So, dreams have meaning, but I don't think they have 209 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:08.000 the profound or symbolic, prophetic, any of those kind of 210 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:12.240 meanings which have been attributed to them in almost every culture, 211 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:14.399 because there are some cultures actually really don't give it 212 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:17.799 damn about dreams, but most there's a whole lot that do. 213 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.159 And they are ones that then we can learn from 214 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:24.519 because they have dreams are prophetic. They use dream to 215 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:27.399 decide where to go on the hunt and so on. 216 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:31.000 You have to have certain dreams to enter certain professions 217 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:34.519 like warrior. You have to have certain dreams before you 218 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:37.799 be initiated in the manhood. And then of course, just 219 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:41.159 like our society, then they may have ways to induce 220 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:44.440 that dream. 221 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:46.879 And the role of consciousness altering plant medicine goes deep, deep, 222 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:49.200 deep into history, and for more on that, I will 223 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:52.039 link a twenty twenty paper from the Journal of Psychedelic 224 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:56.120 Studies called the Role of Indigenous Knowledges in Psychedelic Science, 225 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:59.759 and that comes hot out of the gates, acknowledging how 226 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:04.120 much colonialism and past scientific research have excluded indigenous knowledge 227 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:06.120 and not given credit where it's due. And essentially it 228 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:10.399 says that in some cultural frameworks, psychedelics aren't just for 229 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:13.840 trip and balls. They're a tool used in concert with 230 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:17.600 our brain's own mechanisms to use these altered states of 231 00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:20.600 consciousness to our benefit and our growth. So mushrooms, they 232 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:23.639 are not just for enjoying the lights at the next 233 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:27.879 meeting of the Juggalos, but our dreams hallucination adjacent. First 234 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:32.240 time question askers Kevin Parachan, Sophie Fournier, and Wendy Lockhart wanted. 235 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:35.240 To know what happens is that all gets blurred and 236 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:39.279 people talk about altered states of consciousness, and so suddenly 237 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:44.200 they're saying dreams are like hypnotic states, or like drug states, 238 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:49.600 and so on. What the neuroimaging research reveals is that 239 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:55.480 hypnosis is not like psychedelics or hallucinations or like dreaming. 240 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:58.240 In other words, every one of those states has a 241 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:03.440 different network supporting it, and the dreaming network is different 242 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:07.679 from all of those altered states of consciousness networks. And 243 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:10.480 so one of my strong claims, of course, gets me 244 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:13.399 a lot of trouble is to say you can't learn 245 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:20.480 anything about dreams by studying hallucinations or hypnotizing people, or 246 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:26.600 studying psychedelic drug states. That doesn't teach you about dreaming. 247 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:34.159 Dreaming is a normal, every day occurrence in virtually everyone 248 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:36.519 that we know of. There may be a few people 249 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:40.399 that don't dream, and it'd be great if neuroimaging would 250 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:42.519 study them, because I do think there might be a few. 251 00:15:42.840 --> 00:15:46.200 But at any rate, I think that we have to 252 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:49.279 understand a dream, we first of all have to be 253 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:54.000 sure that the mental activity is not sleep talking, or 254 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:59.279 from a brief arousal or from sleep paralysis, and then 255 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:03.919 study those dreams. Then we could make comparisons, but to 256 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.679 try to understand dreams on the basis of psychosis, which 257 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:13.559 is what famous neurologist of the mid nineteenth century said, 258 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:17.639 Give me the secret of dreams and I will tell 259 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:21.399 you the secret of psychosis. Of course, then Freud quoted 260 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:25.480 that with great approval, and famous philosophers have said that. 261 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:29.440 Important people have said that, Yeah, we believe it right. 262 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:31.519 What about Professor Domhoff. 263 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:34.320 I don't anymore if I ever did. 264 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:39.879 What about dreams and sleep quality? Victoria Edding wants to 265 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:42.600 know if I remember a lot of my dreams one night, 266 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:44.559 or if they're vivid, does that mean I got good 267 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:47.799 or bad sleep? And Jenna Knalana wanted to know how 268 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:50.480 do stressful dreams or nightmares affect the quality of the 269 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:52.679 sleep you're getting? Do you have a good, cozy sleep? 270 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:53.519 Do you have better dreams? 271 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:58.159 I think I can say with confidence that people that 272 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:03.559 are in really anxiety, that are really highly roused in 273 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:09.119 some way, whether through drug states or tensions or whatever 274 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:13.480 it may be, that's going to affect sleep quality, and 275 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:17.599 it then may affect dreams. It's not the dreams that 276 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:20.160 are it's not bad dreams that are causing it. It's 277 00:17:20.359 --> 00:17:21.160 vice versas. 278 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:25.039 So. Patron Dominique McDermott asked why they feel more tired 279 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:28.599 after a night of intense dreams, But according to doctor Domhoff, 280 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:32.839 it's not your nightmares messing up sleep. It's the tension 281 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:35.519 and discomfort you already have that are giving you the 282 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:42.200 bad dreams again. Sleep hygiene, coziness, temperature control, stress mitigation 283 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:45.119 can all give you better sleep, which will help you 284 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:48.000 have a better tomorrow. But some types of stress go 285 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:49.200 way deeper than others. 286 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:54.200 Here's where PTSD victims, God love them. That's just a 287 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:59.559 tough thing. But when they're studied with neuroimaging or EEGs, 288 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:05.319 their brains day and night are just really activated. They 289 00:18:05.319 --> 00:18:09.519 are on fire. So the brain of a person sleeping, 290 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:14.200 they're not sleeping like a non PTSD person. Their brain 291 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:17.880 is fired up. Their vigilant. One of the attention networks 292 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:22.440 also has a vigilance aspect to it, and that's the 293 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:25.440 vigilance network. You know. Right now, we're paying attention. We're 294 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:28.240 in this particular room. We can hear sound. But if 295 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:30.880 we suddenly heard a loud noise, or if I noticed 296 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:33.880 out the window that the building was falling, we would 297 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:37.920 totally change everything in our body. Our digestion would stop, 298 00:18:38.039 --> 00:18:41.400 this would stop. Every bit of energy would be mobilized 299 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:45.039 just on that particular focus, and I'd be no more 300 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:49.400 imagining or thinking. I'd be totally a kind of focus, 301 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:54.880 that salience part of the attention network is still on 302 00:18:55.680 --> 00:19:00.559 in these PTSD victims, and so it really he really 303 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:04.599 does distort their sleep, and the brain is then much 304 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:08.119 more activated, and they're going to have more dreams because 305 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:12.559 they're more activated, and because they're got incredibly deep and 306 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:17.559 burned in personal concerns, they're going to dream about those 307 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:21.759 things now. Contrary to the view that people just keep 308 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:25.799 dreaming the same nightmare, they don't. Really. We have the 309 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:29.920 dreams on dream Bank. We have the dreams of Vietnam Vet. 310 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:33.839 And he's quite a guy that was a medic in 311 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:38.240 Cambodian Highlands in nineteen seventy or seventy one. He saw horrific, 312 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:47.720 unbelievable human slaughter death. His dreams are full of fright, 313 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:49.240 and he's one of the few people that could write 314 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:51.200 them all down, and he kept them all his life. 315 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:55.640 He's probably seventy now, and his dreams are just constantly vigilant, 316 00:19:55.720 --> 00:20:00.480 constantly agitated, constantly. You know, somebody comes in there and 317 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:02.279 he's talking to an old friend and all of a 318 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:05.240 sudden he sees somebody other corner right turn and just 319 00:20:05.359 --> 00:20:08.160 gets fiercely angry, and you know, goes at him or 320 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:11.680 they get in the conflict. So the vigilance, it's in 321 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:15.200 his dreams. But I would know that if I talked 322 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:17.680 to him, because he tells me and he writes stories, 323 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:21.759 and he has a website and he puts his poems 324 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:25.039 and thoughts up there. And I once saw a lecture 325 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:28.359 he gave to high school. I'd laugh, but it was 326 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:30.440 so sad because he went in and told him what 327 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:33.480 it was like. Yeah, they I mean, it's just scared 328 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:35.640 the but Jesus out of him. Yeah, I mean it 329 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:39.839 was overwhelming. And so even the accounts we often give 330 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:44.119 of these things, we soften them for people. If we're 331 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:48.960 really say what the horrors were like, it's so overwhelming 332 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:51.920 for other people, so you don't you don't say them, 333 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:59.200 but he said them. And I think PTSD then is 334 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:04.119 the example on this because it's so different from normative dreaming, 335 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:07.759 and it's more like than the answers to these questions 336 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:10.799 that where these people are temporarily in that kind of 337 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:12.640 agitated state, maybe. 338 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:15.599 Your buddy's depression or anxiety have shown up. And if so, 339 00:21:16.160 --> 00:21:19.279 you're not alone, even though mental health struggles can make 340 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:21.920 you feel like it. And his research supports. 341 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:25.400 That well, the interesting thing that we found with people 342 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:30.519 with any kind of diagnosis, and it's not totally certain, 343 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:34.400 but the interesting finding which shows how important it is 344 00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:38.880 to use a scientific coding system. The main way their 345 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:43.000 dreams differ is there are no friends in their dreams. 346 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:47.240 No friends, no people that they call friends. In one 347 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:49.519 case or two that we studied as well as the 348 00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:54.319 individual dream series, it was only their parents and their sister, 349 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:58.519 they had no friends. In another study where you had 350 00:21:58.599 --> 00:22:00.640 dreams from might think I think one hundred and six 351 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:05.119 dreams from schizophrenics and it's on dreamresearch dot Net under 352 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:09.839 interesting findings in their dreams, there's just all strangers in 353 00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:13.160 O theres no family and no friend. So if I 354 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:16.599 was reading through a dream series and I got about 355 00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:22.160 five ten dreams into it and nobody has been mentioned 356 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:26.480 as a friend, I immediately and I antenna go up. 357 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:29.680 I'm wondering what why are they no friends? And then 358 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:34.200 as I'm reading and now I'm coding too, I'm counting friends, animals, characters, mother, 359 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:38.279 father or you know this guy only dreams about his father, 360 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:41.920 never his mother. What's going on? And then we study 361 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:46.279 it more seriously, either with our coding system or we 362 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:49.599 create a word string. And that's why I know people 363 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:53.079 basically dream about things that they're familiar with seventy five 364 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:55.519 seventy seventy five percent of the time. But here I 365 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:58.079 should say that I am no clinician of any kind, 366 00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:03.839 whether psychological or medical. And if people do right to 367 00:23:04.119 --> 00:23:07.240 me at my website and ask about these things, some 368 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:09.000 of these things, and I say, look, you've got to 369 00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:13.400 go to the sleep disorder clinic, and you've got to 370 00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:19.079 have expert medical attention ask them. But you shouldn't ask me. 371 00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:23.119 You shouldn't get your advice I don't think from anybody 372 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:26.039 on the web. But I could be wrong on that, 373 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:29.400 but you shouldn't get any advice from me. 374 00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:34.559 Planic clinician can can help reduce the waking anxiety, which 375 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:36.680 can help reduce the nmers and. 376 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:40.680 Some you know, some kinds of drugs sometimes and certainly 377 00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:45.400 psychotherapies of various kinds can help people. So we all 378 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:47.039 need someone to lean on. 379 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:49.680 I love him well. I wanted to ask about that 380 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:51.920 because we did have a lot of folks who wanted 381 00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:58.519 to know about different substances SSRIs or melatonin or spicy foods, 382 00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:02.079 any brain medication, especially things that are sleep aids Do 383 00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:03.559 they change how we dream? 384 00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:08.160 My statement is on this is at any time, if 385 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:10.640 we go on a drug, or if we go off 386 00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:16.559 a drug, in other words, we change our neurochemical our biochemistry, 387 00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:20.359 then those things may happen and there may then be 388 00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:25.640 an adjustment. But again I'm no medical expert, and you know, 389 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:27.480 it's one of those things that I look at as 390 00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:32.880 a possible window for me into understanding dreams. 391 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:36.079 So if you're getting some help from medication, you are 392 00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:38.599 also not alone. High Let me introduce you to my 393 00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:43.599 own brain buddy Effects or but patrons Mariah McGregor, Kitlyn Schmidt's, 394 00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:46.759 Kitlyn Ramirez, and Becky pot Roff and first time question 395 00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:49.440 asker Olympia Silv wanted to know what is up with 396 00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:52.839 antidepressants and vivid dreams. And the deal is they're not 397 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:57.279 necessarily causing the dreams, but they're suppressing rem sleep and 398 00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:00.400 in the case of lexapro zolofs and balta on a 399 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:03.000 few others, it can mean that you might be having 400 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:07.720 these micro awakenings and remembering the dreams more. Also, stress 401 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:10.599