WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:47.159 Oh well, fessor, Hello and welcome to the show. 2 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:51.320 This is the Cult of Conspiracy, and my name's Jonathan. 3 00:00:51.399 --> 00:00:51.960 I'm Jacob. 4 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:53.799 Jacob. Tell the good cult members what we're going to 5 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:54.799 be talking about today, sir. 6 00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:58.000 So there I was mine in my business, being a 7 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:00.119 good little child of God, if you will, and you 8 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:02.479 was just kind of as I do, as you do, 9 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:05.719 you know, and I was just kind of delving into 10 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:08.640 some random conspiracies and things that I was thinking about 11 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:11.319 what I wanted to do for this episode, and I 12 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:15.120 stumbled across this thing from the early nineties, right, golf 13 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:18.400 War syndrome or the Golf War disease or the Gold 14 00:01:18.439 --> 00:01:21.079 War sickness, and it's been called a couple of different things, 15 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:22.920 but that kept coming up. 16 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:23.239 Now. 17 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:27.200 I had heard a lot about during World War One, right, 18 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:29.760 dudes had come back from fighting in the trenches. They 19 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:32.400 were exposed to mustard gas there. You know, they have 20 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:35.079 chronic illnesses of the rest of their lives and it's horrible, 21 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:37.400 it's absolutely atrocious. But like it made sense to me. 22 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:41.879 Vietnam we had napalm and agent orange and they said 23 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:44.200 that our guys weren't getting effected. Come to find out, 24 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:46.799 it was lighting them up to and they died years 25 00:01:46.879 --> 00:01:49.200 later when they were at home from these cancers that 26 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:51.200 were caused from this age and orange and it's horrible 27 00:01:51.200 --> 00:01:54.319 and it's atrocious and all of that. Yes, agreed, but 28 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:57.799 at least the lines checked out for me, right, one 29 00:01:57.840 --> 00:01:59.959 plus one equal too. They were exposed to back him. 30 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:03.439 They died because of it. Okay, the government acknowledged it. Cool, 31 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:07.719 But when it came to this desert storm, this this 32 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:13.599 this uh desert storm syndrome, this Golf War sickness, there 33 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:16.560 wasn't really much to say about it. There's been only 34 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:18.560 recent and by recent I mean the last two or 35 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:22.719 three years of the government acknowledging it whatsoever and doing 36 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:25.000 very little to, you know, try to make anything right 37 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:27.159 about it. But I was like, wait, whoa, what is 38 00:02:27.199 --> 00:02:28.840 there that needs to be made right now? 39 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:29.520 Are they? 40 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:31.280 Is it like a psychological thing? 41 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:34.000 It's okay, So I was thinking, like, is this just 42 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:36.919 a new way of looking at PTSD? But then you 43 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:39.960 think about it. The Golf War only lasted like one 44 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:43.840 hundred hours the main assault, and yes there was some deaths, 45 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:45.960 And I'm not trying to take away from some of 46 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:48.879 the traumatic experiences that like US service members faced when 47 00:02:48.919 --> 00:02:52.080 they were over there, for sure, But for it to 48 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:55.360 be a sickness that has caused chronic illnesses and cancers 49 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:58.319 and fatigues and all these things, It's like, wait, that's 50 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:02.360 not that's not a thing stressing anxiety. So there had 51 00:03:02.360 --> 00:03:04.439 to be something inherent that was going on here, and 52 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:07.520 this led me down this rabbit hole. Get ready, y' all, 53 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:09.919 the Clintons are getting brought up into this. Bush is 54 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:13.000 getting brought up into this, the military industrial complex is 55 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:16.159 getting brought into it, and that ever present piece of 56 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:19.439 shit entity, the VA. Jonathan, are you ready to learn 57 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:21.120 about the the Gulf War syndrome. 58 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:23.319 I can't say that I'm surprised that those are the 59 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:28.560 entities involved in the fuckery afoot, but I love talking 60 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:32.879 about it because those those entities need to be exposed 61 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:36.000 as much as humanly possible. So many people think back 62 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:38.800 to the good old days of George H. W or 63 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:41.439 the good old days of Bill Clinton, or the good 64 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:44.240 old days of like, you know, the the late eighties, 65 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:47.560 the early nineties. As far as you know, the presidency 66 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:51.159 goes and people will shit all over soon to be 67 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:55.439 president because he's not presidential. He doesn't could, he doesn't 68 00:03:55.520 --> 00:03:58.240 he doesn't walk around acting like a president. He walks 69 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:00.719 around acting like a child. And and I want people 70 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:04.400 to know that is a facade, like the facade of 71 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:08.560 the of the of the prior presidents, you know, Joe Biden, 72 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:14.039 George Bush, Brock, Obama, Bush Senior, all that that is 73 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:16.560 all a facade. That's not really who they are. That's 74 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:18.800 just how they compose themselves in public, that's the way 75 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:20.959 that they want to be noticed and seen to the 76 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:23.839 public eye. But behind closed doors, whenever you start really 77 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:26.680 digging into the deep shithole that all these people were 78 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:31.199 really connected to, you're like, oh, so how they were 79 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:36.000 presenting themselves was just to kind of ease the masses 80 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:38.399 and making them think that we have like a good 81 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:41.439 person at the helm. It's it's all. It's all fake, dude, 82 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:42.360 It's all fucking play. 83 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:45.759 And keep in mind as we talk about this topic today. 84 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:49.319 So this was started during the Bush administration senior, right, 85 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:53.160 it continued into the Clinton administration, then was continued into 86 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:56.279 Bush junior administration. So it's not like one side or 87 00:04:56.319 --> 00:04:59.199 the other of the aisle is more guilty over the 88 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:02.319 other on this one. This was mishandled by both parties 89 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:05.920 because both of the organizations, the Republicans and the Democrats, 90 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:10.120 the politics of it equally say fuck the military and 91 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:12.600 fuck the veterans like that. That's just what it boils 92 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:15.600 down to here, and we're gonna show in depth how 93 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:17.639 and why it didn't just go from one hand to 94 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:20.560 the next. Oopsie daisy. No, it was almost like, hey, 95 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:22.720 by the way, you're gonna get handed this. Just kick 96 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:24.399 the can down the road a little bit. It's whatever, 97 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:26.839 they're gonna die soon anyway, whatever does it make. 98 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:31.560 I just I don't understand, you know, not taking care 99 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:33.759 of the people that are fighting for your country. I 100 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:36.079 just will never really understand that. And as a matter 101 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:38.240 of fact, I mean I kind of experienced that on 102 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:40.839 a much much smaller level whe of I was working offshore. 103 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:42.839 You know, we used to have this one captain. He 104 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:46.800 was a super dickhead, and he used to always say, oh, deckhands, 105 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:49.519 they're just they're a dime a dozen. It doesn't matter. Yeah, 106 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:52.000 you know, you can chip paint, and you know you 107 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:54.519 can tie a line, and you know you can cook 108 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:56.279 a good meal. But you're a dime a dozen. You're 109 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:58.480 not special, You're not anything like that. And it's like, 110 00:05:59.839 --> 00:06:02.319 do you not appreciate any of the work that anybody's 111 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:03.199 doing on your boat. 112 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:03.879 Like I just. 113 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:07.519 Like, come on, dude, how about a little bit of respect. 114 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:09.839 It's like if we were to say, well, you know what, 115 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:13.319 fucking ship captains or or tugboat captains, yea are a 116 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:16.319 diamond dozen anyway like that probably wouldn't make you feel 117 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:18.759 pretty good. But you know, it's it just goes to 118 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:21.319 show that, you know, as far as at least on 119 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:24.199 the upper level with the military, the people who are 120 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:27.399 in charge of the military industrial complex, they see each 121 00:06:27.439 --> 00:06:30.439 and every one of their servicemen and service women as 122 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:32.879 just actual pawns. They don't actually give a fuck. 123 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:36.279 But that was agreed, agreed. But that was what was 124 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:39.519 so crazy about this one. It wasn't like any other 125 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:43.120 sickness that we had seen from previous military conflicts. And 126 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:46.120 it was only US service members that were getting struck 127 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:49.079 down with the sickness. The locals weren't. But what I'm 128 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:51.240 getting ahead of myself, I'm getting ahead of myself. Let's 129 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:53.120 talk a little bit about let's learn a little bit 130 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:56.120 about the goal for syndrome and the symptoms. This is 131 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:59.600 from the Specific History YouTube channel shouts out to them. 132 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:04.160 Let's see War syndrome and symptoms. Although the war had 133 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:08.360 officially ended for many Gulf War participants on both sides, 134 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:11.360 it would mark the start of another more personal battle. 135 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:14.959 With the ink barely dried on the armistice documents, many 136 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:19.160 veterans began to contract a diverse catalog of perplexing symptoms, 137 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:23.720 ranging from cognitive issues like depression, forgetfulness, loss of focus, 138 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:28.399 and insomnia, to physiological problems such as headaches, fatigue, back pain, 139 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:32.759 as well as respiratory and gastrointestinal disorders. Six months after 140 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:35.680 the war came the release of the first documented cases 141 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:38.920 of Gulf War syndrome from the US, the UK, Canada, 142 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:42.040 Australia and Denmark. But it was only after the nineteen 143 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:45.360 ninety eight landmark passing of the Persian Gulf War Veterans 144 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:48.240 Act by the US government that a serious evaluation of 145 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:51.920 Gulf War syndrome was undertaken, with researchers initially believing this 146 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:55.199 multi symptom sickness to be either the result of psychological 147 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:58.759 trauma or a consequence of chemical overexposure. 148 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:00.879 Psychologe logical stressors. 149 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:05.120 Among the first explanations offered for Gulf War syndrome was 150 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:09.480 that similar to post traumatic stress disorder or PTSD, suggesting 151 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:13.160 it was a psychological disorder arising from the stresses of combat, 152 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.480 with advocates pointing to the well established fact that traumatic 153 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:21.040 experience could cause a multitude of psychological and biological side effects. 154 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:23.480 It's true that although the Gulf War. 155 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:26.560 Was brief, it was just as violent as many other conflicts. 156 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:29.560 A survey of thousands of combatants revealed that they were 157 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:32.600 most distressed when witnessing the death or injury of an 158 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:35.879 enemy soldier, being attacked by enemy fire, or seeing a 159 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:39.200 comrade wounded or killed in front of their eyes. While 160 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:42.240 many captured US Marines have related how they were brutally 161 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:46.600 tortured by Iraqis and were routinely electrocuted, beaten, and struck 162 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:52.200 with canes, pieces of wood, and improvised whips. The psychological argument, however, 163 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:55.759 has largely been dismantled by an avalanche of research which 164 00:08:55.840 --> 00:08:59.600 indicates that even the most extreme combat related psychological stressors 165 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:03.360 were not significantly associated with Gulf War syndrome. To add 166 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:05.840 to this, rates of PTSD were found to be much 167 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:09.159 lower in Gulf War veterans, while the vast majority of 168 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:11.840 Gulf War syndrome sufferers were not found to have a 169 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:16.480 psychiatric illness. However, interestingly enough, combat stress was found to 170 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:20.240 exacerbate the side effects of chemical exposure, a phenomenon that 171 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:26.120 more convincingly explains the causes of Gulf War syndrome chemical exposure. 172 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:30.000 Throughout the short duration of the Gulf War, combatants were 173 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:33.639 consistently exposed to harmful chemical substances that could come in 174 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.600 a variety of forms. Perhaps the most easily recognizable, for 175 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:40.679 their smoke plumes could be seen for hundreds of kilometers, 176 00:09:40.759 --> 00:09:43.960 were the poisonous gases that emanated from over seven hundred 177 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:47.279 and fifty oil well fires, such as dioxin, which if 178 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:50.960 inhaled in great amounts, could cause skin rashes, fatigue, headaches, 179 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:55.279 and insomnia. Next were pesticides employed to kill the swarms 180 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:58.240 of dangerous insects that resided in the Persian Gulf. Had 181 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:00.759 to prevent the spread of sand fly feat ver disease 182 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:03.799 that affected around sixty percent of British and US troops, 183 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:08.919 issued with sprays, creams, and liquids for use on the skin, uniforms, 184 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:11.480 and bedding, as well as crates full of pest strips. 185 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:15.679 Fifteen of these products actually contained toxins that were detrimental 186 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:18.360 to human health, with the US Army estimating that as 187 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:21.320 many as forty thousand soldiers may have been over exposed 188 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:24.919 to pesticides such as pyrethroids, which were applied to uniforms 189 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:29.000 up to thirty times a month, organochlorines, a neurotoxin used 190 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:32.080 to kill lice, and diethyl to luamide, more commonly known 191 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:35.039 as deet, the most frequently used insect repellent for the 192 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:39.279 skin that was also known to damage plastic materials. Furthermore, 193 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:43.159 in order to safeguard troops from possible chemical attacks, soldiers 194 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:45.799 were obliged to carry with them packets with twenty one 195 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:49.159 purodystigmine bromide pills in order to reduce the effects of 196 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:52.799 exposure to nerve agents. Although the recommended dose was thirty 197 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:55.600 milligrams every eight hours for a time period of seventy 198 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:58.639 two hours, followed by a twenty four hour break, troops 199 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:02.759 often ignored it took it constantly after widespread reports of 200 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:06.200 dead sheep, goats, and camels convinced many that the Iraqi 201 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:10.840 invaders were actively using chemical weapons, numbering over five point 202 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:14.799 three million doses reported two hundred and fifty thousand NATO 203 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:18.720 personnel took PB tablets, which if injected too frequently, can 204 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:22.039 cause side effects that mirror the symptoms of Gulf War syndrome. 205 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:26.000 Another hazardous substance that Gulf War service men and women 206 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:29.399 also had to contend with was depleted uranium, which could 207 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:32.519 be found in low levels in munitions since it was 208 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:36.039 known to increase the penetrative effectiveness of projectiles and as 209 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:38.720 a layer on heavily armored tanks because it was also 210 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:43.679 prized for its protective qualities. Overall, DEU infused missiles hit 211 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:46.679 a total of twenty one NATO vehicles, while many troops 212 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:49.559 suffered overexposure during a clean up operation in July of 213 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:53.039 nineteen ninety one after an accidental fire at Camp Doha 214 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:56.120 in Kuwait destroyed many and one A one tanks and 215 00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:01.159 munitions lined with depleted uranium. Lastly, a low level exposure 216 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:04.279 to sarah, a nerve agent for a synthesized in Germany 217 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:07.000 in the nineteen thirties, as well as mustard gas, a 218 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:10.840 staple of chemical warfare created in eighteen twenty two and 219 00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:13.679 widely used in the First World War, have been pointed 220 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:16.759 to as a possible high risk factor for Gulf War syndrome. 221 00:12:17.159 --> 00:12:19.720 The appearance of these chemicals has been attributed to the 222 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:23.039 bombing of Iraqi chemical plants from January nineteenth to the 223 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:26.279 twenty fourth of nineteen ninety one, and the subsequent decision 224 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:29.600 to disregard the warnings of chemical alarms on the basis 225 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:32.039 that they were false and meant to cause panic among 226 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:35.039 the allies. Their emergence has also been traced to the 227 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:38.320 destruction of an ammunition depot at Chemisia in Iraq in 228 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:41.039 the aftermath of the war in March, which produced a 229 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:44.200 bloom later thought to contain nerve agents that were potentially 230 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:46.720 inhaled by up to ninety five thousand personnel. 231 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:50.679 Just the quick overall of it. What is your thoughts 232 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:53.919 as far as the amount of chemicals that they were 233 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:56.840 probably exposed to. They talked a little bit about the 234 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:00.519 depleted uranium right from some ordinance. Some things are being 235 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:04.480 shot the anti tank weapons. However, that's like saying this 236 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:08.559 person died from lead overdose when he's filled with bullets. Like, 237 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:11.159 I don't know if that necessarily qualifies, you know what 238 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:14.919 I mean? But we talk about those chemical plants that 239 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:17.279 were lit up, right, that were bombed and then the 240 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:20.840 plumes of smoke that you could see from kilometers around 241 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:23.759 you look at these burn pits and all these things. 242 00:13:23.840 --> 00:13:24.559 What is your take? 243 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:27.960 I mean, I'm not surprised. And you talk about you know, 244 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:30.559 you've talked about like at odd or a you know, 245 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:34.840 at at lengths about how you know, whenever you get 246 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:37.799 into the military, they give you so many different vaccines 247 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:40.559 to protect you from so many different sicknesses and diseases. 248 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:42.679 Every time you go into another country, that's like a 249 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:46.240 different list of ingredients that are being injected into you 250 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:49.200 that are obviously not normal to the system. And it's 251 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:53.080 used to protect against certain things, but how it reacts 252 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:55.480 once it's in your body, Your body is taking on 253 00:13:55.600 --> 00:14:00.279 it for an agent, and you know, I always just 254 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:02.879 immediately take it back to like the COVID vaccine, like 255 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:06.440 it didn't protect against anything you're injecting, you know, certain 256 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:09.720 chemicals that weren't really tested for a very long time 257 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:12.360 and it was part of the human experiment. But like 258 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:16.240 you know, as far as even just the sprays, the 259 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:18.799 deets and all these different oils that you're using to 260 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:21.240 protect against sand flies. And then you go over and 261 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:24.320 fucking blow up a chemical plant like, of course you're 262 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:26.200 going to have some things wrong with you. This shit 263 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:28.600 is not normal for us to be taken in, you know. 264 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:32.480 No doubt. And I mean yeah with my experiences, like Okay, 265 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:35.080 boot camp, you get ran through the gauntland, you get 266 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:37.639 like thirteen vaccines in the course of about a minute 267 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:40.919 and a half. Okay, fine, yes, and that's horrible enough. 268 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:44.759 But before you deploy you get like seventy something vaccines 269 00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:47.879 as well. So I mean it's it doesn't really matter. 270 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:50.320 You get restuck every time there's a new thing to stick. 271 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:53.440 And people want to go on about how well in 272 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:56.399 the military they they're what they're doing to our military 273 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:58.120 members and blah bah bup. It's like, yeah, but the 274 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:01.840 military signed away their life to the government, Like a 275 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:06.720 military service member is one property of the United States government, 276 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:09.120 so they can get stuck with whatever jab they want, 277 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:12.679 free and independent of their quote unquote rights because they 278 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:13.639 don't have anymore. 279 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:17.200 That's how that works, right, right, Yeah, you're just you're 280 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:19.480 their property now, so of course they're gonna, you know, 281 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:22.200 have the right to stick you with whatever because and 282 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:24.720 I don't think that they're doing it personally. I don't 283 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:27.279 think that they're doing it to harm you whenever you're 284 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:30.799 getting vaccinated or anything. I think that they honestly believe 285 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:33.919 that these, you know, vaccines and things that they give 286 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:36.240 you are going to be able to help protect you 287 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:39.919 moving forward for a certain you know, malaria or whatever 288 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:40.840 the fuck, right. 289 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:43.240 But in the military, it's more like a guinea pig. 290 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:44.000 Right. 291 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:46.799 They didn't know they did. We didn't know for sure 292 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:50.639 what kind of chemical agents Saddam was fucking with. We 293 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:54.200 had a couple of reasons to suspect some anthrax and 294 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:55.200 some mustard gas. 295 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:55.879 We didn't know. 296 00:15:56.559 --> 00:15:59.559 So if we had an experimental drug or an experimental 297 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:02.840 vaccine that could you know, fix the effects of it 298 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:04.919 before our guys even got there. Oh yeah, we were 299 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:06.600 just giving it to them experimental as fuck. 300 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:09.679 It sounds about right. And if you were going to 301 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:13.960 experiment on any people, wouldn't it be your own property. 302 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:16.720 That way, nobody can be sued and nobody can be 303 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:20.240 came after or anything like that. So unfortunately, I feel 304 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:25.519 like the military people would be the most experimented people 305 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:28.440 in the country, like they would be experimented on more 306 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:30.240 than anybody else, and. 307 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:33.279 We mostly are. Now that being said, we don't know 308 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:36.879 if the vaccines were the cause of the Goal War syndrome. 309 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:39.159 We don't know if it was the chemical effects of 310 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:41.279 things that they breeded them while they were there. We 311 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:44.159 don't know if it was some other unknown thing. We 312 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:46.559 have an article pulled up here from PBS dot org 313 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:48.320 as a matter of fact, and this is questions for 314 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:50.360 the Pentagon. We don't have to read the entire thing, 315 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:53.440 but this is ten questions for the Pentagon and their 316 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:55.960 official answer to these things. And I thought it was 317 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:58.519 an excellent thing to bring up at this time to. 318 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:02.000 Inquire into allegation that the Defense Department has engaged in 319 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:05.160 a cover up in its handling of the Goal War syndrome. 320 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:08.880 Frontline asked the Pentagon to respond to tenk questions. The 321 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:12.000 Department's Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public 322 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:16.720 Affairs replied as follows. Number one. The first question, what 323 00:17:16.759 --> 00:17:19.400 did the Army and Air Force learn to from pre 324 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:23.720 war studies commission from the Sandia and Livermore National Laboratories 325 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:26.559 about the risks of fallout from the bombings of Iraqi 326 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:30.200 chemical agents storage sites? And what precautions did the US 327 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:34.000 forces take to minimal or to minimize the risks? And 328 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:38.359 the answer in nineteen nine, the DoD did have the 329 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:44.480 Livermore Laboratory calculate probable geographic dispersal of unspecified chemicals that 330 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:47.759 might be released from Iraqi territory by bombing. The study 331 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:52.359 was conducted using generic information. No specific targets or types 332 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:55.920 and quantities of chemicals were studied. Throughout the war, US 333 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:58.480 and coalition forces were very much aware of chemical and 334 00:17:58.519 --> 00:18:02.519 biological threats posed by a During the air campaign, the 335 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:07.640 US Air Force took precautions to ensure that coalition forces 336 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:10.319 were not in the vicinity when it was conducting air 337 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:14.680 attacks on known storage sites for chemical and biological weapons. Additionally, 338 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:18.440 US forces were fully prepared for chemical and biological warfare 339 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:23.640 if chemical weapons were used by Iraq. Forces received training 340 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:28.039 in self protection, responses to exposure and were issued personal 341 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:32.519 protective equipment. Prior to deployment, chemical detection equipment and operators 342 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:35.960 were deployed with units down to and including squad level. 343 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:38.759 Oh okay, so they didn't really answer the question, did they. 344 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:43.319 That's a long way of saying we did what we 345 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:44.079 thought was right. 346 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:48.279 I think that was that was basically it like, hey, 347 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:52.359 y'aught a lad that did some analysis on this type 348 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:56.759 of chemical spread from bombing. What'd you find? We basically 349 00:18:56.759 --> 00:19:00.480 found that everything was done according to the book. It 350 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:01.319 was done by the book. 351 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:06.279 Yeah, So then it gets into the second question, says 352 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:10.160 Combat logs compiled by officers working for General H. Norman 353 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:15.960 Schwartzkoff and newspaper interviews with Czech chemical weapons specialists who 354 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:19.279 served in the Gulf War show that American commanders ignored 355 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:25.960 check warnings. That's like Czechoslovakia check warnings in the early 356 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:28.920 days of aerial bombing that low levels of nerve and 357 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:32.200 mustard gas had been detected in the vicinity of American troops. 358 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:35.599 Why did American commanders react in the way react in 359 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:40.039 this way to the check detections? The answer the Central 360 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:45.000 Commands or sent Coom. Nuclear biological and chemical weapons logs 361 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:49.240 do show that cent coomm teams did respond to check reports. 362 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:55.079 There were five reports five reported check detentions during the 363 00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:58.319 period of January nineteenth to January twenty fourth and nineteen 364 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:01.519 ninety one. Our review of KUR currently available records indicates 365 00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:05.079 that on January nineteenth, the Czech troops operating in support 366 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:09.880 of the Saudis detected quote unquote g nerve agent in 367 00:20:10.039 --> 00:20:15.599 the Wadi al Batin area. The Czechs also reported mustard 368 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:19.400 gas mustard agent on January twenty fourth, nineteen ninety one, 369 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:22.279 after being led to a desert area by a Saudi 370 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:27.119 liaison officer. The reported mustard detection was approximately one square 371 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:31.839 meter located ten kilometers north of King Khalid Military Center 372 00:20:31.960 --> 00:20:36.119 or Military City. The other three reports of check detentions 373 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:39.000 were made between January twentieth and twenty first. None of 374 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:42.039 the five reported detections was able to be confirmed by 375 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:48.119 US chemical detection units. However, these reported detections were inconsistent 376 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:51.359 with other operational events at the time. There is no 377 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:54.279 indication what caused these detections or whether they are a 378 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:58.279 part of a larger issure use large any larger use 379 00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:03.440 of chemical weapons now not substantiated, the remaining three reports 380 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:07.720 of check detentions have not been discounted. OUR investigations continued 381 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:10.839 to look at these detections, although it's difficult to substantiate 382 00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:16.599 them some five years later. Additionally, the Sentcom logs show 383 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:21.160 that coalition commanders responded to the check reports by requesting 384 00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:24.599 that US chemical teams monitor the area. Because the check 385 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:30.000 reported detection detect detections were of such low level and 386 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:34.079 were made using very sensitive equipment. Any chemical agent would 387 00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:36.839 have only been present for a short period of time. 388 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:40.160 The agents at such a low level would have dissipated 389 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:43.160 so quickly that in all cases in which US forces 390 00:21:43.160 --> 00:21:46.440 were called on to confirm the detections, not enough of 391 00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:51.839 the agent remained to confirm the check report. DoD continues 392 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:54.920 the inquiry into check reported chemical detections. 393 00:21:56.119 --> 00:22:03.519 Okay, so apparently these Czechoslovakian authorities had some some you know, 394 00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:06.400 detectors that went off. They picked up something on their 395 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:09.839 not a radar necessarily, but especially when you're talking about 396 00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:12.759 chemical agents. They probably picked up something on their their 397 00:22:12.759 --> 00:22:16.440 sniffers or something. They have different air monitor air quality 398 00:22:16.480 --> 00:22:20.039 monitors that they have, and they picked up something. Okay, 399 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:25.559 I don't know how many people do much in the 400 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:31.519 chemical or oil industrial refinery business. You're not gonna have 401 00:22:31.720 --> 00:22:38.079 one square yard of mustard gas that just flips on 402 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:40.960 a little sensor somewhere and that's all. It was. In 403 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:44.079 the middle of the desert. You found one square yard 404 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:49.319 of mustard gas that doesn't something that naturally forms at all. Like, 405 00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:51.400 what are you fucking talking about, dude? 406 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:55.720 Newspaper accounts quote check golf fer veterans as saying that 407 00:22:55.759 --> 00:22:59.519 they were informed that they informed the Defense Department for 408 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:02.240 years that some of the Czech troops who served in 409 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:05.839 the war were sick. Yet as recently as August of 410 00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:09.680 nineteen ninety six, the Pentagon denied that Czech veterans were 411 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:15.440 complaining of unusual health problems. Why the answer, The Czech 412 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:18.559 government did not report any golf War veteran health problems 413 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:22.519 until nineteen ninety six. The conclusions posted on golf Link 414 00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:26.039 in August of nineteen ninety six that Czech golf War 415 00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:29.759 veterans were not ill was based on relevant information received 416 00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:32.839 from the Czech Ministry of Defense in April of nineteen 417 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:36.000 ninety six. It is now our understanding that Czech authorities 418 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:39.119 have reopened their medical evaluation program for their golf War 419 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:42.920 veterans in order to investigate these recent complaints. As in 420 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:45.960 all cases of events and circumstances surrounding the Golf War, 421 00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:48.880 we consider all new evidence as it becomes available and 422 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:52.400 will cooperate with governments of the coalition forces and their 423 00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:58.119 investigation into golf War related illnesses. So they're just basically saying, well, 424 00:23:58.480 --> 00:24:00.759 it wasn't reported until then. That's why you didn't hear 425 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:01.599 about it until then. 426 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:04.440 I'll give them a little bit of credence on that one. 427 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:06.759 It's not that it wasn't being reported. It's just that 428 00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:09.480 it wasn't being reported as a new sickness because it 429 00:24:09.559 --> 00:24:14.079 was so new, and nobody really thought to start categorizing 430 00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:16.759 it in its own phylum. Everybody just kind of thought 431 00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:19.759 it was what it was. Maybe it's just PTSD, it's 432 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:22.839 just stress, man. The new warfare is just kind of 433 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:24.839 really stressing these guys out more than we thought. And 434 00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:28.240 blah blah blah, Like nobody thought to look at it 435 00:24:28.319 --> 00:24:31.720 as a new illness. 436 00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:35.640 Right well, it says in various statements before June nineteen 437 00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:38.920 ninety six, Pentagon officials denied that Iraq had stored chemical 438 00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:42.920 weapons in the Kuwaiti Theater of operations south of Baghdad, 439 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:47.039 or that Allied troops had detected chemical weapons there. Why 440 00:24:47.079 --> 00:24:50.200 did the Pentagon adhere to the position for five years, 441 00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:53.839 even though in nineteen ninety one, US chemical detection specialists 442 00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:57.480 believe that they had found Iraqi nerve agents in Kuwait 443 00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:04.640 and United Nations inspectors found them at Chemissiya in southern Iraq. 444 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:09.440 The answer Is. Both during and after the war, Iraq 445 00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:12.920 engaged in widespread deception with regard to where it stored 446 00:25:12.920 --> 00:25:17.680 its chemical agents or chemical weapons. Iraq never declared Commissi 447 00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:22.960 Ya I guess the city in Iraq Commisia Commissia a 448 00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:26.319 chemical weapons storage site. After the war in October nineteen 449 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:29.920 ninety one, Iraq reported that it moved some chemical weapons 450 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:33.079 to Commissia in January nineteen ninety one, and said that 451 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:35.920 the weapons were blown up by Coalition forces in March 452 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:40.680 nineteen ninety one. Because Iraq engaged in widespread, widespread deception 453 00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:44.079 with regard to where it stored its chemical weapons, many 454 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:47.240 reports received during this time were viewed with skepticism by 455 00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:50.759 government analysts who were investigating the possibility of chemical weapons 456 00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:54.960 or chemical exposure to American troops. When Iraq led United 457 00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:59.039 Nations inspectors to Commissiya site in October nineteen ninety one, 458 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:02.640 the inspectors were skeptical of the Iraqi reports the Coalition 459 00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:05.640 troops had destroyed chemical weapons at the site. The United 460 00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:09.359 Nations team was unable at the time to corroborate that 461 00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:12.880 a demolition had occurred at Commissiya. In March nineteen ninety one, 462 00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:17.160 as the Iraqis claimed. In March nineteen ninety five, based 463 00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:20.200 on the President's directive to leave no stone unturned, the 464 00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:24.720 Department of Defense established the Persian Golf Investigation Team and 465 00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:27.519 ordered it to begin a broad review of all information, 466 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:31.599 including intelligence findings and operational records, that might help explain 467 00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:35.039 the health problems being experienced by many golf war veterans. 468 00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:37.960 It was in October of nineteen ninety five that the 469 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:42.599 Central Intelligence Agency asked DoD's investigation team to look into 470 00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:46.200 whether troops were located at the Commissia site. DoD and 471 00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:49.880 CIA researched the issue together, and by early nineteen ninety 472 00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:52.119 six had developed information that led US to believe that 473 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:56.640 US troops did in fact destroy munition stored at Commissiya. 474 00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:01.519 Able to place the US troops in the location of 475 00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:05.440 the Commissia explosions, a United Nations team reinspected the site 476 00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:08.279 in May of nineteen ninety six. During this inspection, they 477 00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:15.359 documented the presence of high density poly polytheleine inserts and 478 00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:20.519 other material normally associated with handling in storage of chemical munitions. 479 00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:24.119 Based on the new information, DoD announced on June twenty 480 00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:26.680 first of nineteen ninety six that it appeared that a 481 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.039 bunker at Commissia contained chemical weapons in the US forces 482 00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:32.759 had destroyed the bunker on March fourth, and some chemical 483 00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:36.039 munitions in a nearby pit on March tenth, nineteen ninety one. 484 00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:43.720 Okay, so real quick the operations. It took him five 485 00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:47.720 years to acknowledge something that happened. Okay, and this was 486 00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:51.240 ninety six. This took place. The events that took place 487 00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:57.279 happened under the Bush administration. Hw Right. This whole investigation 488 00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:01.000 didn't go down until ninety six, when Clayton was being 489 00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:05.799 inaugurated into his second term of office. Okay, so this 490 00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:08.799 was years after the fact. It wasn't like in the 491 00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:12.720 following investigation. This had to be drug out of them 492 00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:15.559 to even acknowledge that they bombed a place that they 493 00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:19.319 said that they didn't bomb, only to be discovered. Yeah, 494 00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:20.000 they fucking did. 495 00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:21.039 You know. 496 00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:24.039 The way I look at this is that if the 497 00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:27.720 government had been shown to at least tried to be 498 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:30.279 to have been batting a thousand on behalf of its 499 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.160 troops and on behalf of its service members, that it 500 00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:35.480 was actually in favor of the well being of its 501 00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:38.559 own fucking people, And it showed, and it had a 502 00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:42.559 clean record up until this point, I might actually believe 503 00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:47.079 this bullshit. However, the problem is is that even just 504 00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.480 the episode that we did what a month or two 505 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:55.240 ago about the POW veterans, like, they completely disregarded those people. 506 00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:58.400 They left them there to die. They wiped away all 507 00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:00.480 of the signs and signals to be able to find 508 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:02.799 these people. That the new people that are being brought 509 00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:05.720 into the military aren't even being trained to find these signals. 510 00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:08.480 And so now they're absolutely fucked. And so whenever you 511 00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:12.680 read something like this, of course they were completely disregarding 512 00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:15.559 the health and welfare of their own people. 513 00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:19.680 But like, but why because we were sent by WE, 514 00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:23.440 the Royal WE, the United States military was sent to 515 00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:27.559 that field to bomb that weapons cash they were they 516 00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:30.880 were sent to destroy it, and it was destroyed. Okay, cool, 517 00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:33.400 But then they denied it and tried to cover up 518 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:36.119 the fact that they did that. Now, why, especially if 519 00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:38.720 we were at war with Saddam? Why did why did 520 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:40.640 it matter if we did this if it was in 521 00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:43.559 the in the name of war? What was the big 522 00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:46.319 thing behind hiding that little fact? And we will discuss 523 00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:48.160 it more in depth later, but put a pin in 524 00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:49.000 that one. 525 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.920 You know you actually you've brought up about how Russia 526 00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:57.759 really has no regard for any of their service member whatsoever. 527 00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:00.119 They're just putting them on the front lines, right, need 528 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:02.559 to be mowed they know they're going to be mowed down. 529 00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:05.279 It's just strength in numbers kind of situation. 530 00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:08.279 And I gotta say, I have fought every war ever. 531 00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:11.720 Look at how they did in Afghanistan. They got slaughtered. 532 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:14.960 But I gotta say, it doesn't seem like the US 533 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:20.240 is regarding its own servicemen very dissimilar to what Russia 534 00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:21.480 is regarding their men. 535 00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:27.400 Yes, and no, there's there's difference in. 536 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:29.720 In a different way. In a different way. I'm saying, like, 537 00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:30.240 all right. 538 00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:32.960 Russia is currently losing. I think the current estimate is 539 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:37.440 somewhere around two thousand dudes a day, Right, we lost 540 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:41.519 twenty thousand and twenty two years of war. Like, I mean, 541 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:43.880 there's difference in scope here, bro. 542 00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:46.880 No, I get that. I'm just saying, it's not like, 543 00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:52.599 you know, our government is is valuing you know, the 544 00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:57.200 the our lives or anything now as much as they 545 00:30:57.200 --> 00:30:59.440 should be. That's that's my point that I'm trying to 546 00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:03.119 say that, like it should be seen as an absolute travesty. 547 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:07.079 Every single time a US serviceman or woman dies, it 548 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:10.079 should be seen as a fucking travesty. Yet whenever you 549 00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:13.200 readocuments like this, they're like, oh, well you were exposed 550 00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:15.720 to chemicals. Well, you know, we had a plan set 551 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.160 in place. It's not our fault. We followed through with 552 00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:21.440 with our plan what our plan was supposed to be. 553 00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:23.279 You know what I'm saying. It's just it doesn't seem 554 00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:25.440 like anybody's taking any kind of accountability here. 555 00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:28.960 But you see how that was. Even the DoD representative 556 00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:31.240 that answered these questions. You see how that's them talking 557 00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:33.599 out of both sides of their mouth. We didn't get 558 00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:37.400 any reports from these Czech officials saying that there was 559 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:41.000 bad chemicals in the area. But also we totally bombed 560 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:42.640 this area and covered up the fact that we bombed 561 00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:45.319 this area with harmful chemicals. But that's neither here nor there. Like, 562 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.400 but that was the following question after it, you know 563 00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:48.839 what I mean? 564 00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.279 You know, and I think that this is why, you know, uh, 565 00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:54.799 I know that we're living in a very different day 566 00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:58.680 and age as opposed to whenever this country was essentially 567 00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:02.160 founded back in the seventeen Like I get in. But 568 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:05.839 at the same time, doesn't it fucking make more sense, 569 00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:09.559 especially for cases like this, that we bring back actual 570 00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:13.359 commanders of war as our presidents and not these goddamn 571 00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:17.559 politicians that have absolutely no regard for even their own wives. 572 00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:18.599 Look. 573 00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:22.000 I put it like this, and I know unpopular opinion. 574 00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:26.480 Sorry very sorry. You know, Native American tribes had their 575 00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:31.559 tribal chief, they had their their council of elders, if 576 00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:35.839 you will, but they also had the war chief. Now 577 00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:38.680 that was a different person. It could be the war 578 00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:41.640 chief could also be the tribal chief, sure could be, 579 00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:45.839 but that wasn't necessarily the case. To be a war chief, 580 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:48.480 you had to do certain things. Though. Have you ever 581 00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:50.400 looked at the story of the last war chief of 582 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:56.160 the Crow nation? No, doctor Joseph Medicine Crow. You've never 583 00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:56.920 heard of them. 584 00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:57.960 I don't believe so. 585 00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.279 Oh bro, all right, we need to do a talk 586 00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:03.880 about him one day. But long story short, World War two. 587 00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:05.920 This guy, I think it was maybe the Cherokee Nation, 588 00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:09.799 now I think about it, he joins, he joins the military, 589 00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:13.480 He goes over to Germany. And here's the deal. To 590 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.319 be a war chief in their tribe, you have to 591 00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:20.279 do four things, touch an enemy combatant without killing them, 592 00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:25.519 we lead a successful war party, steal an enemy horse, 593 00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:30.400 and bring home an enemy weapon. Okay, So your boy 594 00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:33.359 was able to accomplish all four of these in World 595 00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:36.640 War two. Okay, there was one night where he actually 596 00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:39.720 did two and one. He led a successful war party 597 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:42.519 on a Nazi installation, but they had horses because they 598 00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:44.839 were trying to save money and all that, and so 599 00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.880 he actually stole the horses and rode them out with 600 00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:51.519 the fucking Indian yelling shit. So like in all manners, 601 00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:54.400 he achieved and he actually took a prisoner, so he 602 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:57.680 touched an enemy combatant without killing him. The whole nine. 603 00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.240 He came back and he is revered as the last 604 00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:03.079 war chief of that tribe. Okay. Now put that to 605 00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:05.839 the realm of the United States of America. I believe 606 00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:09.360 we should have our our garrison president, if you will, 607 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:12.599 the guy that's maintaining the country and all the things. 608 00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:12.840 That we have. 609 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:15.719 And then I also believe that we should have something 610 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:19.159 of a war chief, a commander in chief, if you will, 611 00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:23.599 especially when we are at war. Now currently America is 612 00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:26.159 at peace, and that's wonderful, but if we were to 613 00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:29.519 be set upon or be you know, sent into some 614 00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:31.760 sort of a conflict. I believe we should have a 615 00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:34.840 war chief type of person take the reins. But that's 616 00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.199 an unpopular opinion because then it will just become a 617 00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:40.760 military despotism and bah. 618 00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:42.320 Well, I don't know, dude. I feel like, you know, 619 00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:44.480 a lot of people on the outside looking in that 620 00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:48.760 we're never in the military, including myself, would would look 621 00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:51.079 at oh, not including myself. I mean, yeah, I wasn't 622 00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:53.519 in the military, but I wouldn't have this opinion. But 623 00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:56.920 there would be some people that have the opinion that, oh, well, 624 00:34:56.960 --> 00:35:00.280 if we've had some commander or general or some somebody 625 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:02.840 that was you know, a Navy seal or Green Beret 626 00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:05.760 or you know, a special operations unit or anything like that, 627 00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:09.320 you would the outside people looking in would say, well, 628 00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:11.679 they just want to be in war. That's what they like. 629 00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:13.079 They just want to be in war all the time. 630 00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:15.360 So we don't want somebody like that at the helm 631 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:18.159 because they're just gonna they're gonna jump as soon as 632 00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:20.679 another nation says jump, you know what I mean. And 633 00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:22.960 I don't think that it's that way. I think that 634 00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:26.440 the people, the people that you know would be in 635 00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:29.920 charge that have seen actual wartime action in other countries, 636 00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:33.280 have seen dead bodies, have killed people, are more likely 637 00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:35.960 to avoid conflict. 638 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:39.239 Right, Yeah, that was what I was gonna say. Matter 639 00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:42.719 of fact, you said it beautifully. If you notice, if 640 00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:45.480 you ever meet somebody who's ever been in real fights, 641 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.519 like real knockdown, drag out fights, they typically don't go 642 00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:52.880 out looking for fights, okay, because if you ever have 643 00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:55.679 to sit there and recover and have your face get 644 00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:58.159 unswollen up from something that you didn't ask for but 645 00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:00.000 you had to fight your way out of it or whatever, 646 00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:04.639 it's not something you willingly go seeking. Okay. Yes, there 647 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:08.760 are those bloodthirsty savage types we call ourselves marines, okay, 648 00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:13.280 and yes we need those people. They exist. But most 649 00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:17.280 people that have seen frontline combat, and not all there 650 00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:21.400 are the psychos, but most would do anything and everything 651 00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:23.920 in their power to avoid ever going back to it. 652 00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:27.039 They would in a heartbeat if they had to, no doubt, 653 00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:31.280 but they would never willingly want to send anyone else 654 00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:34.440 into that environment if they could help it. That seems 655 00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.840 to be a going trend, especially with post nine to eleven. 656 00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:41.679 Veterans, right right. And I don't know, I just feel 657 00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:44.719 like people who have actually been through that kind of 658 00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:48.159 situation are more likely to say, you know what, dude, 659 00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:51.039 I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. That was 660 00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:55.159 the scariest, most horrific thing that I've ever experienced in 661 00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:57.920 I don't care. I wouldn't want Ben Lauden. I wouldn't 662 00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:00.599 want Saddam Hussein to have to go through because that 663 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:01.639 is inhumane. 664 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:04.000 I put it like this, There's a reason why you 665 00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:06.079 don't see a lot of veterans telling their children that 666 00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:08.599 joining the military is a really good idea for them. 667 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:12.400 You're against your son joining that's not even a me thing. 668 00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:16.480 That's most veterans these days, of the post nine to 669 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:19.159 eleven generation, I'll say that they served, like even in 670 00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:22.039 the nineties that they served, they may have some of 671 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.840 that old school you know, oh bro, it's just the best. 672 00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:27.599 You know, it's a good old boys club and all 673 00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:31.960 of that. Post nine to eleven. Dude, most of us 674 00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:34.639 really don't want our children joining. 675 00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:37.360 Well because you see it for what it is, you know, 676 00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:39.679 the it's not what is scracked up to be. 677 00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:44.519 Or their situations like this where even in the nineties 678 00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:48.159 when this operation took place, they were still putting them 679 00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:51.559 in horrible situations. That again, these guys didn't know, they 680 00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:53.519 didn't know what they were burning, they didn't know what 681 00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:56.320 they were breathing in, but then they covered it up. 682 00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:59.320 Let's read here question number five as a matter of fact. 683 00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:03.840 In March nineteen ninety four, I'm sorry, I'm still dying 684 00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:06.000 over here with the dam coffy? 685 00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:07.000 Are you and me? Read? 686 00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:07.679 No? 687 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.719 I got it, I got it. In March nineteen ninety four, 688 00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:13.440 when the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs 689 00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:16.800 asked for the headquarters logs of General H. Norman schwartzkof 690 00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:23.440 relating to possible chemical detections, the Pentagon had said no 691 00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:26.679 such reports could be found, but a year later some 692 00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:29.159 of the documents were released to a veterans group. Why 693 00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:32.440 the logs? Why were the logs not produced for the 694 00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:36.039 committee in nineteen ninety four? The answer is the Senate 695 00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:39.000 Banking Committee requested five categories of documents in March of 696 00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:42.280 nineteen ninety four. The second category of this request was 697 00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:46.119 for cent comm logs prepared during the Golf War. In 698 00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:49.880 April of nineteen ninety four, Stephen W. Preston, the DoD 699 00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:55.480 Acting General Counsel, responded to former Senator Ronald Regal, who 700 00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:58.360 was then chairman of the committee, in a letter stating 701 00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:01.760 that sent COOM conducted a search and identified no documents 702 00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:05.519 that met the description provided by the Senator. Moreover, mister 703 00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:10.840 Preston asked mister Senator Regal if he could provide a 704 00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:13.519 more specific description of the documents in order for Sentcom 705 00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:17.760 to conduct another search. We have no documentation that Senator 706 00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:22.039 Regal ever provided a more detailed description. Nine other documents 707 00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:26.159 were nevertheless provided by the provided to the Senate Baking 708 00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:28.960 Committee in September in nineteen ninety four. In April of 709 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:31.920 nineteen ninety five, under the Freedom of Information Act, the 710 00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:34.679 Gulf wer Veterans of Georgia requested a copy of the 711 00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:39.440 CENTCOM Headquarters chemical logs. Centcom conducted another search using different 712 00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:43.840 search criteria and found thirty six pages of nuclear, biological 713 00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:47.440 and chemical weapons log which they provided to the veterans organization. 714 00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:49.639 No pages were without it. 715 00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:54.920 So when the government entity asked for this paperwork, this documentation, 716 00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:57.360 well they asked for when we gave it to him, 717 00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:01.639 this random freedom of information request, oh thirty two extra 718 00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:06.559 pages of nuclear, chemical and biological paperwork. We forgot to 719 00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:08.880 add in my bad oopsie, Daisy. 720 00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:13.000 I can't say that I'm surprised. It's only uh oh, 721 00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:17.800 you know it's it's this shit is crazy, the amount 722 00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:20.800 of cover ups and the amount of bullshitting and lies 723 00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:26.039 like fucking take some accountability for once, like for fuck's sake. 724 00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:28.039 These people are laying their lives on the line. The 725 00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.320 least you can do is give them some kind of 726 00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:32.880 support and not lie like a lying liar. 727 00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:37.119 Lying like a lying liar. Dude, ah and I. 728 00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:40.760 Did it, Going number six. Some logs kept for the 729 00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:44.159 purpose of noting detection of chemical exposure are still missing, 730 00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:47.639 including those of March fourth and March tenth of nineteen 731 00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:51.239 ninety one, when US troops demolish chemical weapons at Commissia. 732 00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:54.239 Which other days are still missing? And how could the 733 00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:58.280 logs have been lost? The answer is the Sentcom Nuclear 734 00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:02.320 Biological and Chemical Weapons Log was maintained from some time 735 00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:05.400 in August nineteen ninety to at least March twelfth of 736 00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:08.760 nineteen ninety one. The logs does not or the log 737 00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:13.079 does not include entries for August to December of nineteen 738 00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:16.360 ninety and the following days in nineteen ninety one, January 739 00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:19.480 first to the sixteenth, twenty fourth, twenty fifth, twenty eighth, 740 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:23.480 and thirtieth, February third, sixth, eleventh, thirteenth and twentieth, and 741 00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:27.239 March second, fourth to March second, and then the fourth 742 00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:30.559 to the eleventh. The Office of Special Assistant of the 743 00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:33.519 Special Assistant for Golf wur Illness is still investigating the 744 00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:36.760 issues of missing entries. When our review is completed, we 745 00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:38.920 will announce the founding findings. 746 00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:44.400 Oh so there's just a conveniently no entry for the 747 00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:45.320 time in question. 748 00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:50.119 Okay, interesting, Pretty fucking convenient, if you ask me, Pretty 749 00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:55.440 fucking convenient. Brow number seven. The Presidential Advisory Committee on 750 00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:59.519 Golf four Veterans' Illness says the Defense Department did not 751 00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:03.119 act in good faith and has been slow and superficial 752 00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:05.280 in the way that it has in the way that 753 00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:09.199 it has investigated the possibility that American troops were exposed 754 00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:14.719 to Iraqi chemical agents. Your response, the answer, Most of 755 00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:17.360 the criticism in the pack report was in the context 756 00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:20.719 of what we didn't do previously. We accept those criticisms. 757 00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:24.159 Even before the report was released, the newly formed Office 758 00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:27.199 of the Special Assistant for Golf War Illnesses had begun 759 00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:30.719 to make extensive changes. We clearly didn't initially understand the 760 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:33.840 dimensions of the problem, and our response was inadequate. The 761 00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:36.800 Department of Defense recognizes that the issues surrounding the Golf 762 00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:40.119 War illnesses are very complex. In November of nineteen ninety six, 763 00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:43.760 DoD greatly expanded its efforts to better understand golf War 764 00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:47.320 illnesses while continuing to provide effective medical care to our 765 00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:51.199 Golf War veterans. We have expanded the investigation team by 766 00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:55.199 some tenfold and initiated a proactive two way communication program 767 00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:57.280 between DoD and the Golf War veterans. 768 00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:03.280 So basically saying, we put more people and resources towards it, 769 00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:07.159 meaning they just got a bigger budget for it. That's 770 00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:11.280 all that they did. They made a new committee to 771 00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:15.000 investigate into this, which gets its own budget and required 772 00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:17.280 it gets its own amount of money, and they had 773 00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:19.440 to get people allotted for it. And that's all it was. 774 00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.239 It was for the paperwork of it all. But all right, cool, 775 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:27.159 at least on paper, it sounds like they're doing something 776 00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.880 about it. Now, right, Let's keep on trucking. 777 00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.679 Doesn't that just piss you off? Knowing we send how 778 00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:36.360 many billions to another country? To aid them in a 779 00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:39.760 war against an a war that we're not even involved 780 00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:44.519 in necessarily, but yet you know, the service veterans are 781 00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:47.559 having to bag and plead for pennies from the government. 782 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:50.159 It makes like this kind of shit. It just really 783 00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:52.400 chaps my ass. And I was never even in the military. 784 00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:57.199 As a veteran and as somebody who supports Ukraine, it's 785 00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:00.480 a weird gray area that I walk. I think that 786 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:04.199 America should be sending resources an aid to Ukraine, especially 787 00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.360 weapons that we are going to decommission in ten years anyway, 788 00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:09.320 so they might as well get fired. Stuff like that 789 00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:11.440 makes sense to me. However, sure you. 790 00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:14.119 Want our good willshit, that's fine, but right, but this 791 00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:19.800 is a massive, massive however, right we If we're giving 792 00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:22.800 any money an aid to any other country but we're 793 00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:26.000 unable to help our citizens when they are in times 794 00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:30.440 of crisis, then we obviously need to redirect where our 795 00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:32.599 aid and where our resources are being sent. 796 00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:35.559 And if we are trying to do anything for some 797 00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:39.199 other country but we still have homeless veterans, then I 798 00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:42.000 say that we again need to take another look at 799 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:45.280 where our resources out all that's being allocated. That's what 800 00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:48.079 I'm saying. I'm not against us helping other people. I'm 801 00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:51.480 saying we have to secure our home base first. 802 00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:53.639 Check our fucking priorities. You know there should be a 803 00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:58.599 priority list. Yeah, I don't know the next one, which 804 00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:04.559 is the eighth question, it says Dosher Doctor Joshua Lederberg, 805 00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:08.360 who headed an official inquiry by the Defense Science Task 806 00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:12.079 Force on Persian golf war health effects, has complained about 807 00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:14.719 a lack of information his panel received from the Pentagon 808 00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:18.079 on the check reports and other possible indications of chemical 809 00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:23.119 weapons exposure. You'll response. The response is the task force 810 00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:25.280 was provided all the information d d had at the 811 00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:28.760 time of their investigation. Nothing was withheld. All the information 812 00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:33.280 dot DoD had concerning the check reports of detection were 813 00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:36.760 provided to the panel. However, the significance of Commissi Yaw 814 00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:40.679 was not realized before June of nineteen ninety six, two 815 00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:43.800 years after the task Force completed its work. The task 816 00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:47.599 Force was established by the under Secretary of Defense for 817 00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:51.000 Acquisition and Technology and was charted to review all risk 818 00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:55.239 factors associated with golf war service. It reviewed intelligence reports, 819 00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:59.559 reports of chemical or biological agent detection, and other environmental 820 00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:03.400 exposure during the war. It reviewed scientific and medical evidence 821 00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:06.800 relating to exposure to nerve agents at low levels impossible 822 00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:10.360 long term effects, as well as other potential health consequences 823 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:15.679 resulting from low level chemical exposure, environmental pollutants, Kuwaiti oil fires, 824 00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:20.199 endemic biologics, and other health hazards attributed to Gulf War Service. 825 00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:23.880 The task Force was active from February to June nineteen 826 00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:24.440 ninety four. 827 00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:27.880 You didn't know how important this site was, even though 828 00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.800 you have hailed information about how important this site was, 829 00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:33.440 and you didn't know about it until two years later. 830 00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:36.320 And then somehow right around that times when the Freedom 831 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.719 of Information Act required that you released all of the 832 00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:42.360 documentation that you had on it from ninety one. All right, cool. 833 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:46.159 You know, whenever I hear shit like this, it really 834 00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:48.960 just sounds like they're honestly just dragging their feet because 835 00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:54.239 there's really no real advantage or any kind of like 836 00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:59.079 good initiative being put forward. There's nothing you can gain 837 00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:03.000 from looking looking more into this kind of situation. As 838 00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:04.920 a matter of fact, you're probably getting more fucked if 839 00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:07.559 you're if you're looking more into it, you know, And 840 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:10.360 this is the problem. I believe, I know, like I 841 00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:12.800 get it, like I'm pro capitalism all the fucking way. 842 00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:17.519 But this is an issue that that is poisoning capitalism. 843 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:19.840 And the issue is is that if you can't make 844 00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:21.840 a fucking dollar off of it, we're not going to 845 00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:25.079 do any research into it. Meanwhile, these people are they're 846 00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:26.800 never going to make any kind of money off of 847 00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:32.159 you know, any kind of anti uh whatever, anti viral 848 00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:35.760 or vaccine or whatever to be able to help and 849 00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:38.119 h and maintain the health of your of your people 850 00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:40.079 that are fighting for you. There's no money to be 851 00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:43.039 made in that. And so that's an issue regarding cap 852 00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:46.599 I think that that is a capitalistic capitalistic issue. I'm 853 00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:48.679 not sitting here shitting on capitalism. I think that it 854 00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:52.760 is still the best uh version of you know, the 855 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:54.800 economy and all that kind of stuff, but this is 856 00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:56.119 definitely a downside of it. 857 00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:58.840 I don't know. I think capitalism is one hundred percent 858 00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:01.840 why this was up because you got to keep in mind, 859 00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:05.280 after this happened, we left Saddam in power. Okay, this 860 00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:08.559 is a ninety one. We didn't take him out until three. 861 00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:13.480 So whatever happened here had to be done in such 862 00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:16.320 a way to where it didn't upset the business interest 863 00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:18.719 in the area too much. But again I'm getting ahead 864 00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:21.599 of myself. We'll discuss more on that later on. 865 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:25.159 Like you're not gonna find Fizer saying oh please, let 866 00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:27.159 you know, let us let us take the reins and 867 00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:30.599 help find some kind of medicine to be able to 868 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:33.280 cure these people who had to go through this. Why 869 00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:37.199 because there's only a very limited amount. You're not exposing 870 00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:39.280 it to the masses, so therefore you're not gonna be 871 00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:41.079 able to maximize the money coming in. 872 00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:41.559 Right. 873 00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:44.239 Yeah, it's a small group. It's not something you could 874 00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:46.800 replicate and make more money off of year over year. 875 00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:50.480 So I mean, eh, yeah, that's a fucking shithead move. Anyway. 876 00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:55.480 Moving on number nine and repeated statements, Defense Department officials 877 00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:58.440 have stressed that the scientific literature indicates that no chronic 878 00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.400 health effects can result from exposure to nerve agents where 879 00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:05.440 there are no immediate symptoms. Yet an Institute of Medicine 880 00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:08.800 committee that considered the scientific literature suggests that the question 881 00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:11.559 is far more open than settled, and it urged more 882 00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:15.760 study in quotes to be completed as rapidly as is feasible. 883 00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:19.840 Your response, this is going to be a good one. Yeah, 884 00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:23.559 The DD recognizes the need for additional research. Oh yeah, 885 00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:26.840 we know we need to do more, no doubt. In 886 00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:30.320 nineteen ninety six, we funded five million dollars in research 887 00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:32.719 to study the long term effects of chemical and other 888 00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:37.360 hazardous exposures, including low level chemical exposure. In nineteen ninety seven, 889 00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:41.079 we plan on funding up to fifteen million on this endeavor. 890 00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:45.280 We plan on it on it. 891 00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:48.400 So real quick, fIF five million dollars and then fifteen 892 00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:52.559 million dollars into the study of long term effects of 893 00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:57.159 chemical and other hazardous exposures, ladies and gentlemen, real quick. 894 00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:00.519 Just I hate to burst advice bubble. Where do you 895 00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:05.039 think the laboratories are where American Department of Defense is 896 00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:10.239 doing experiments for long term effects of chemicals and hazardous exposures? 897 00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:13.440 Cause you can't do that on US soil. That's in humane. 898 00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:17.920 So just curious as we talk about like Ukraine for instance, 899 00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:20.800 and we were talking about all these crazy chemical biological 900 00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:23.039 labs that were being found and they were all being 901 00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:25.559 funded by American Department of Defense, Well boy, would they 902 00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:30.280 have those this just throwing it out stuff like. 903 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:33.519 This, Yeah, yeah, it seems like it. I don't know, 904 00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:36.360 I just I find it very silly that you know, 905 00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:38.559 your I know money was a little bit different back 906 00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:40.280 in the nineties compared to what it is now with 907 00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:41.960 inflation and all that. 908 00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:42.320 Une. 909 00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:44.559 Billions were still millions, dude. 910 00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:48.079 Right, but five million dollars dude. If you look at 911 00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:50.639 some of the bills that are being passed currently, like 912 00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:53.119 some of the shit that has just been weaseled into, 913 00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:56.840 you know, uh, funding Ukraine, the war in Ukraine or whatever, 914 00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:00.800 it's like you'll have like a fifty million dollars or uh, 915 00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:05.280 you know, basically a donation to a cause that looks 916 00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:09.119 into the research behind you know, what are the psychological 917 00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:12.519 effects of changing the sex of your child? Like that's 918 00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:13.960 where our money is being thrown. 919 00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.559 What's ninety one though? Bro, Having a seventy five thousand 920 00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:19.800 dollars a year job was fucking living. 921 00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:24.000 Sure, but we're still talking about government money, not individual money, 922 00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:27.400 which is of you're still bringing in billions of dollars. 923 00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:29.800 Even back in the nineties, you were bringing in billions 924 00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:33.079 of dollars of tax revenue. And so the fact that 925 00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:35.800 you're only putting five million in then a measly fifteen 926 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:38.719 million into looking into why are all these people having 927 00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:42.639 such negative health effects? And you could literally give a 928 00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:43.320 fuck less. 929 00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:46.800 It's like, but it wasn't even specifically for this. That 930 00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:49.440 was just we put this money towards the research of 931 00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:53.360 long term effects of these things. It wasn't geared towards 932 00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:56.239 the fucking Gulf War syndrome. It was just in that 933 00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:58.039 field just in general, you. 934 00:51:57.960 --> 00:51:58.440 Know what I mean. 935 00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:01.239 That's like saying, well, uh, did you do any research 936 00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:06.679 into nuclear radiation fallout? Well, we put money into nuclear. Sure, 937 00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:10.079 they meant nuclear subs, but like, yeah, nuclear, sure, sure. 938 00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:12.599 Let's get into the next question. I'm sure it's going 939 00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:17.719 to be wrapped up lovely, lovely. Number ten, Former Defense 940 00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:21.719 Secretary William J. Perry called quote unquote dead wrong what 941 00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:25.239 he identified as quote unquote the perception among the Defense 942 00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:29.119 Department is deliberately holding back information end quote about Gulf 943 00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:32.400 War sickness. Is there no basis for the perception and 944 00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:36.719 why does it exist? The answer, okay, hey, the answer. 945 00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:39.960 I already loved the first sentence. This is a very 946 00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:42.519 complex issue and there are no simple answers. 947 00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:45.639 We are and off with the politick and right out 948 00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:46.239 the gate. 949 00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:49.320 Right off the start. We are dealing with events that 950 00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:51.760 happened years ago, and with documents that have come to 951 00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:54.960 light through many different channels. The Gulf War involved hundreds 952 00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:57.320 of thousands of people and there are literally millions of 953 00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:00.920 pages of documents available to review. Late last year we 954 00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:06.280 reassessed our whole program regarding Golf War illnesses. We found 955 00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:11.199 we hadn't devoted sufficient resources. Oh no, shit, huh oh yeah, 956 00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:14.599 we have a strong enough emphasis with respect to the 957 00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:18.119 operational aspects of the war and the implications of those operations. 958 00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:23.159 The newly formed Office of Special Assistance. The newly formed 959 00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:27.159 Office of the Special Assistant of Golf War Illnesses has 960 00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:32.159 refocused our efforts to look at all operational intelligence and 961 00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:36.239 medical documentation with Golf wur illnesses as our primary concern. 962 00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:39.800 Dozens of agencies are involved in millions of dollars in research, 963 00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:43.280 including hundreds of researchers, are actively seeking answers to the 964 00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:47.400 causes of veterans of veterans illnesses. DoD is working hard 965 00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:50.320 to get the most accurate and complete information out as 966 00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:53.920 quickly as possible. We are committed to an open, thorough 967 00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:57.039 investigation of all facets surrounding Golf War illnesses. 968 00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:02.000 There you have it. The DODSA overview of the situation 969 00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:04.480 and I mean this was just ten questions asked to 970 00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:07.039 them by this one group. Now we're talking a lot 971 00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:10.639 about America, but again we're talking about Coalition forces. There 972 00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:14.000 is people all over the world with Gulf War sickness. 973 00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:16.760 This one's from England. As a Mara fact, Let's check 974 00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:17.159 this out. 975 00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:21.719 Scientists have investigated the cause of the so called Gulf 976 00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:25.679 War syndromer collection of chronic health problems that affected more 977 00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:29.000 than a quarter of the Coalition troops deployed during the 978 00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:32.000 First Gulf War in nineteen ninety one. Well, now our 979 00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:35.840 new study by researchers in Texas indicate the nerve gas 980 00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:37.199 saren is to blame. 981 00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:39.679 Caroline Hawley has this special report. 982 00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:44.480 The war to dislodgeerr arch from neighbouring Kuwait was short, 983 00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.280 but it's been described as the most toxic in history, 984 00:54:47.559 --> 00:54:50.519 and it's had devastating long term consequences for many of 985 00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:53.719 the soldiers who served, though for thirty years no one 986 00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:57.679 knew exactly why. Kerry Fuller was one of them, A 987 00:54:57.719 --> 00:54:59.920 fit twenty six year old at the time of the war. 988 00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:02.280 Now it's a battle for him just to get out 989 00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:02.679 of bed. 990 00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:09.280 I was getting illness after illness breathing problems, say, chronic 991 00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:12.920 fatigue run down all the time. And when I questioned 992 00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:15.519 whether it could be anything to do with my service 993 00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:18.960 in the Gulf or what we were exposed to, the 994 00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:26.079 military line was, you're talking nonsense. There's no evidence to parasit, 995 00:55:26.199 --> 00:55:27.559 and I'll crack on. 996 00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:32.679 Kerrie suffers excruciating joint and muscle pain. At night, he says, 997 00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:35.960 he wakes the whole house screaming. The new research blames 998 00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:38.840 health problems like his on the nerve agent saren that 999 00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:41.920 was released into the air when Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons 1000 00:55:41.960 --> 00:55:46.519 caches were bombed. The scientist involved say, it's a breakthrough 1001 00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:48.480 which vindicates the veterans. 1002 00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:52.800 But the ones who became ill, our new study shows 1003 00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:56.599 are the ones that have the weak form of a 1004 00:55:56.679 --> 00:56:00.239 gene that normally protects you from nerve gas. So the 1005 00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:04.039 people with the strong form of the gene that most 1006 00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:05.400 of them did not get ill. 1007 00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:09.400 And you say that definitively. Now, no kind of if 1008 00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:11.800 snow butts. This is the end of the mystery as 1009 00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:12.760 far as you're concerned. 1010 00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:16.159 Due to all the controversy over the many studies that 1011 00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:20.760 have been done so far, all of which had different 1012 00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:24.039 defects of one type or another. We designed this study 1013 00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:27.199 over a number of years to be the definitive study, 1014 00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:31.000 to answer all of the criticisms of studies in the past, 1015 00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:33.679 so that we would get it just right. We hope 1016 00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:39.400 that what our findings will do will lead to a 1017 00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:43.280 definitive treatment for this disease that would relieve them of 1018 00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:44.519 some of these symptoms. 1019 00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:49.440 Kerrie Fuller has not only a huge array of symptoms, 1020 00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:53.199 including memory problems, but also an arsenal of medication to 1021 00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:53.960 help with them. 1022 00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:57.480 A lot. 1023 00:56:57.840 --> 00:56:58.280 Yep ye. 1024 00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:01.800 His daughter Rebecca to go to doctor's appointments with him 1025 00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:05.800 because he struggles to process the information he's given. He 1026 00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:08.079 now wants the Ministry of Defense to act on the 1027 00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:09.239 American findings. 1028 00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:13.599 I just hope they take it seriously and do the 1029 00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:18.480 right thing and understand it. For most of us, it 1030 00:57:18.519 --> 00:57:23.360 isn't about money. It's about being able to access the 1031 00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:29.719 right medical treatment. It's not a lot to ask. 1032 00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:32.920 For what we did. 1033 00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:37.159 The mod says it's indebted to all those who served 1034 00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:40.280 like Kerry, and that it's already sponsored what it called 1035 00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:41.519 significant research. 1036 00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:46.599 Okay, that poor guy, dude, my god, that he has 1037 00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:47.599 to go through that shit. 1038 00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:50.920 And I mean, it's not like Britain's known for taking 1039 00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:54.199 care of their veterans by any means, dude, So at 1040 00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:56.000 this time I wanted to play a little count dank 1041 00:57:56.039 --> 00:57:58.320 you Lavidia and Kayley's a couple of minutes of it. 1042 00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:01.599 He does a pretty good job of breaking down the 1043 00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:05.920 Gulf War syndrome as it was affectionately known and called. 1044 00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:08.119 And then we're going to get a little bit more 1045 00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:09.719 into the cover up of it all, brother. 1046 00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:15.119 The TLDR of our Sandy skirmish is it was comically 1047 00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:19.480 one sided, with the Iraqi forces being unrepentantly mogged into 1048 00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:23.239 submission within one hundred hours of the operations start by 1049 00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:28.800 the completely overwhelming firepower and air superiority of the coalition forces. 1050 00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:31.679 This is despite the fact that the Iraqi Army had 1051 00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:35.239 the home field advantage and the numbers of which they 1052 00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:39.679 quite literally numbered in the millions. There rickety dust Bunny 1053 00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:42.920 T seventy two's might have been very good against an 1054 00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:46.480 Iranian child conscript in the fields and trenches of Kuzistan, 1055 00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:50.320 but sadly for the Iraqi Armored Corps they instead had 1056 00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:53.440 to go manue Mano with the likes of the Abrams 1057 00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:58.679 and challengers. That is to say, they get folded like 1058 00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:01.280 a fucking tea towel. But due to the fact that 1059 00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:04.679 it is the Middle East, it very quickly devolved into 1060 00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:09.159 an asymmetric quagmire with militias and rogue units are dming 1061 00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:15.360 coalition chads without advertising a raid fel RP. In other words, 1062 00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:18.639 another day in the Middle East. But what we are 1063 00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:22.960 focusing on today is those previously mentioned Basra oil sniffers. 1064 00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:26.920 The troops whom well deployed on bases and in operations 1065 00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:30.920 during the war started to notice things like how a 1066 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:33.800 good chunk of their battle buddies were weirdly coming down 1067 00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:38.360 with a mysterious illness that only started manifesting after returning 1068 00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:42.199 home from deployments to the dark a duca sandbox. After 1069 00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:45.599 going through the stress, loss and tragedy of sitting in 1070 00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:49.159 a forty degrees centigrade desert in full combat year and 1071 00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:53.400 getting shot at for a month, these unfortunate souls instead 1072 00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:57.880 came home to suffer even more. And I don't just 1073 00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:02.960 mean reintegrating into cit the street. Our sufferers of interest 1074 01:00:03.159 --> 01:00:07.880 started developing a wide variety of random symptoms without any 1075 01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:12.599 real connecting factor. There were small things like fatigue, headaches, 1076 01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:17.840 and insomnia, to more particular and severe issues like memory problems, 1077 01:00:18.159 --> 01:00:24.519 joint issues, broader neurological problems, and even tumors. It's fair 1078 01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:28.840 to say that this wasn't ideal for anyone to experience, 1079 01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:31.719 let alone returning vets who not only had to come 1080 01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:35.320 home from a sweltering sandpit and reacclimate to running water 1081 01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:38.920 and air conditioning, but also now having to deal with 1082 01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:44.519 a nondescript physical illness on top of their debilitating psychological 1083 01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:48.800 scars from partaking in the horrors of modern war. Now 1084 01:00:48.920 --> 01:00:51.519 you might be thinking to yourself, what in the goodness 1085 01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:56.159 gracious caused this pestilence to befall the sorrowful servicemen? How 1086 01:00:56.239 --> 01:00:59.079 very well spoken of you, and I agree, what the fuck? 1087 01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:02.719 So eggheads up and adm D you put that absolutly 1088 01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:06.280 high budget to good use, and they started theorizing as 1089 01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:08.920 to the cause of the symptoms, not out of care 1090 01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:12.000 for the veterans who were suffering, but because the United 1091 01:01:12.039 --> 01:01:15.880 States saw that the Iraqis were not getting this illness, 1092 01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:20.559 only coalition soldiers were getting it, so they were worried 1093 01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:23.320 that this was possibly some new kind of chemical weapon 1094 01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:27.039 being used to target their soldiers that they needed to 1095 01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:28.199 watch out for. 1096 01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:31.440 Okay, so I wanted to pause it and get your 1097 01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:34.480 two cents before he goes through it. What's your thoughts 1098 01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:39.519 on that the Iraqis weren't getting this sickness only foreigners, 1099 01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:44.960 only coalition forces were getting this sickness. So they thought, not, hey, 1100 01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:47.159 we need to take care of our guys. Uh oh, 1101 01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:49.599 they got sick while they were defending our freedom and 1102 01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:52.840 bab they thought, oh shit, they might have a long 1103 01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:56.280 term war fair weapon type thing they're trying to use 1104 01:01:56.280 --> 01:01:58.199 against us. What's your thoughts? 1105 01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:05.719 First of all, my American English mind can barely comprehend 1106 01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:09.880 what this. What is this guy Scottish? Yeah, holy shit, 1107 01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:13.000 I'm having a hard time even retaining what he's saying 1108 01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:16.280 because of his accent. Yeah, it's that that is a 1109 01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:18.079 thick accent on this gentleman. 1110 01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:21.360 Well, I mean, yeah, he's laying it on. 1111 01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:25.239 But no, I mean I like it. I think it's cool. 1112 01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:28.280 You know, accents are awesome, and people that are listening 1113 01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:30.800 to us assume that we also have an accent as well. 1114 01:02:31.079 --> 01:02:34.960 But like, but I mean no, I I think that 1115 01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:37.800 this is direct on par as to what we were 1116 01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:41.519 talking about. Like the absolute disregard of of you know, 1117 01:02:41.639 --> 01:02:46.480 each country's you know, uh, fighters of the war are 1118 01:02:47.119 --> 01:02:50.320 it's you're just looking at him like fucking paper soldiers, dude, 1119 01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:52.960 and you're treating him that way. And then whenever they 1120 01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:56.400 come up with these sicknesses and illnesses, well you signed 1121 01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:58.079 up for it, That's what it seems like. 1122 01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:01.840 But I'm just I thought it was interesting that that 1123 01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:05.840 was their reason for actually investigating it, not to help 1124 01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:09.159 out their veterans who are ill, but because they wanted 1125 01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:10.840 to know if this was a new type of weapon 1126 01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:12.440 they don't know about. 1127 01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:16.320 Of course, of course, it's the same reason why dude, 1128 01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:20.880 literally every not every American or every person of planets 1129 01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:25.880 Earth thinks that the whole idea around aliens coming. Like 1130 01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:28.719 a lot of people are pretty excited if we were 1131 01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:31.320 to see a UFO or an alien or something like that. 1132 01:03:31.559 --> 01:03:34.039 But the government's all, we got to get to them 1133 01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:36.000 first so we can reverse engineer it so that way 1134 01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:38.480 we have an advantage against other countries whenever it comes 1135 01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:38.800 to war. 1136 01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:40.599 It's like, this is the way. 1137 01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:43.119 Why are we always worried about that? How about we 1138 01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:46.519 just experienced something as a humanity, you know what I'm saying. 1139 01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:50.360 We gotta say, it's almost like you know somebody who 1140 01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:54.199 is like extremely, extremely addicted to sex, that they find 1141 01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:56.320 something and they want to figure out, how can I 1142 01:03:56.320 --> 01:03:58.519 fuck this thing? You know what I'm saying. It's like, 1143 01:03:58.639 --> 01:03:59.719 it's so ridiculous. 1144 01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:02.920 We have to use it for warfare. We are a 1145 01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:04.599 warring tribe. That's what we do. 1146 01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:07.320 I get it, I get it, But that is certainly 1147 01:04:07.320 --> 01:04:10.639 not it's not pretty. No, it's not. I mean, and 1148 01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:13.000 I get it. That's why we're here, that's why we're 1149 01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:15.480 the greatest country on earth, and you know, nobody really 1150 01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:18.400 fucks with us because we got such a big military dick. 1151 01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:20.920 I get it. But at the same time, it's like, 1152 01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:23.400 sometimes it just goes too fucking far. 1153 01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:27.719 Dude, No, I agree. I agree. So anyway, all right now, 1154 01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:30.559 let's get let's listen to our boy, dank. You talk 1155 01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:32.159 about the symptoms. 1156 01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:35.239 For the sake of thoroughness. We will go over the 1157 01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:37.880 least likely and straight up dead ends that they have 1158 01:04:38.119 --> 01:04:42.159 fast before getting into the real meat. The first theory 1159 01:04:42.199 --> 01:04:46.119 that we're tackling is the oil files that Keino jihle 1160 01:04:46.159 --> 01:04:48.800 head scene of the oil fields on fire, raining black 1161 01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:51.679 shout down all over them was very very cool, but 1162 01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:58.800 apparently caused golf war syndrome, except not really, because despite 1163 01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:02.679 the prevalence of our and bronchitis among those who breathed 1164 01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:06.280 in that stinky air, the firefighters who were actually assigned 1165 01:05:06.280 --> 01:05:08.599 to put out the fires, So the ones who were 1166 01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:11.519 really in the thick of the flames and the fumes 1167 01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:16.400 didn't get Gulf war syndrome despite being by far the 1168 01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:21.199 most exposed to the fumes. So the oil fires definitely 1169 01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:30.239 caused illnesses, but not Gulf war syndrome. Second theory, vaccines. Ooh, 1170 01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:32.480 that got a little pepped up, didn't it. But let 1171 01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:36.360 me elaborate. The Iraqi military had this nasty little tendency 1172 01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:41.000 to put shit in their ordinances, things like missiles, munitions, etc. 1173 01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:44.000 And one of the things that they preferred to spike 1174 01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:48.719 their shells with was a fun little ailment called anthrax 1175 01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:54.320 alongside botulinum toxin. You could not only enjoy the experience 1176 01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:57.559 of getting shelled by a howitzer, but also basking the 1177 01:05:57.599 --> 01:06:02.920 potential onset of botulism. Absolutely riveting, I know, and the 1178 01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:08.519 US military agreed. Thus, they, alongside other coalition forces, loaded 1179 01:06:08.599 --> 01:06:13.039 up all of their soldiers on vaccines against such maladies. 1180 01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:16.519 The only issue is that, if you know anything about 1181 01:06:16.519 --> 01:06:19.599 the US military, they tend to play a little bit 1182 01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:23.960 fast and loose with pharmaceuticals, usually giving those deployed gear 1183 01:06:24.079 --> 01:06:27.360 that will work in the moment but would also potentially 1184 01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:30.440 fuck them up in the future. This was enough of 1185 01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:33.719 a concern that they studied the vaccine post war and 1186 01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:38.199 postulated that those afflicted with Gulf War syndrome had antibodies 1187 01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:41.480 in their system meant to fight off squalen, a compound 1188 01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:46.119 supposedly found in the anthrax vaccine. The only issue was that, 1189 01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:51.639 upon closer investigation, it turns out that no, actually the 1190 01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:55.760 vaccines didn't actually have any squalen in them, So the 1191 01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:59.920 vaccine theory kind of went nowhere. Another theory that they 1192 01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:07.960 postulated is that they blamed all of it on stress. Yeah, seriously, 1193 01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:10.920 you know that strange, debilitating illness that you and your 1194 01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:13.519 colleagues and uniform have all been suffering from for the 1195 01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:17.320 past few years. Now, that's just all in your head, 1196 01:07:17.360 --> 01:07:20.679 big guy. It's safe to say that this theory also 1197 01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:25.119 went nowhere. One of the most popular theories was depleted 1198 01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:29.159 uranium being used in tank munitions and the presidence of 1199 01:07:29.239 --> 01:07:33.679 certain pesticides and other such nasty Heisenberg shit in the air. 1200 01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:36.280 What got them on the right track in the end 1201 01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:39.920 was the realization that indeed a lot of that Heisenberg 1202 01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:44.280 shit bore vague similarities to the chemical and biological weapons. 1203 01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:47.599 After all, it wasn't like the Iraqis were opposed to 1204 01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:51.079 using such agents. They had used them before a bunch 1205 01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:54.519 of times. See the Iraq Iran prequel series and our 1206 01:07:54.599 --> 01:07:58.320 fun little Anthrax missile filler episode for more details on that. 1207 01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:01.760 And let me tell you that Ran Iraq arc was 1208 01:08:02.440 --> 01:08:07.199 a little bit fucking crazy, with trench warfare, child soldiers, 1209 01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:12.440 and yes, chemical weapons in steps the Regal Report, a 1210 01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:16.199 nineteen ninety four dossier that basically claims that during the 1211 01:08:16.239 --> 01:08:19.720 opening acts of the operation, whilst they scramble for air 1212 01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:24.800 superiority was underway, apparently, coalition forces were exposed to a 1213 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:29.600 constant stream of low level, non lethal doses from chemical 1214 01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:37.439 and biological agents, including Saren and mustard gas. It reallys saren. 1215 01:08:37.600 --> 01:08:40.760 Fucking Saren, the nerve agent that can kill a person 1216 01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:45.279 instantly by essentially shutting down their entire nervous system just 1217 01:08:45.319 --> 01:08:48.560 by taking a couple of breaths of it. Ay, the 1218 01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:52.119 troops were exposed to all of that at very low 1219 01:08:52.239 --> 01:08:56.800 levels alongside fucking mustard gas like it was nineteen sixteen. 1220 01:08:57.199 --> 01:09:00.039 According to the report, all of the chemicals in the 1221 01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:03.119 air was in part due to the bombing of thirty 1222 01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:08.199 four separate facilities across Iraq, with those sites being eighteen 1223 01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:14.920 chemical facilities, twelve biological facilities, and four nuclear facilities. So 1224 01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:17.800 all of that shit was flying up into the air, 1225 01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:22.159 all mixing together into probably the worst ever chemical cocktail 1226 01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:26.359 ever devised by mankind, and was being breathed in by 1227 01:09:26.399 --> 01:09:29.720 the soldiers, but it was diluted in the atmosphere enough 1228 01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:34.399 to not cause instant death but very long term health problems. 1229 01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:37.840 One of the sites bombed that was well documented was 1230 01:09:37.840 --> 01:09:42.520 a humble little patch of sands southeast of Baghdad called Camisia. 1231 01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:46.800 Camisia was host to a munitions dumb for the Iraqi military, 1232 01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:51.079 creatively called the Tel al Lamb Ammunition Storage Facility. It 1233 01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:55.199 was a series of eighty eight bunkers. As the name suggests, 1234 01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:58.279 it was a spot to stow away and store all 1235 01:09:58.319 --> 01:10:00.640 of the ammunition that they had to use, which is 1236 01:10:00.920 --> 01:10:03.520 something you never really think about, you know. Logistics are 1237 01:10:03.640 --> 01:10:06.680 everything in a war, and due to the nature of 1238 01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:10.720 this installation, it was a prime target for coalition forces. 1239 01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:15.760 If the enemy don't have bullets, they can't fight. Simply enough, really, 1240 01:10:16.039 --> 01:10:20.279 ammo stores are always a prime target. So as a result, 1241 01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:24.520 a detachment of combat engineers and the US EOD team 1242 01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:28.079 is sent in to scope it out and completely level it. 1243 01:10:28.279 --> 01:10:31.239 They meander in, they set up their gear, and they 1244 01:10:31.279 --> 01:10:34.000 do their thing. They did it so well that it 1245 01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:37.600 made a small mushroom cloud, which is pretty cool. I 1246 01:10:37.680 --> 01:10:41.479 wonder why it's so dark and brooding. Unbeknownst to our 1247 01:10:41.640 --> 01:10:45.399 Yankee wrecking crew, one of the bunker's bunker seventy three 1248 01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:51.319 actually housed missiles laced with you guessed it, chemicals like saren. 1249 01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:54.760 So when the bunker get wiped, all of the munitions 1250 01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:59.359 went with it. Suddenly that massive stockpile of stinky missiles 1251 01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:03.399 was at and the particles were airborne with a gust 1252 01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:07.359 of wind. It was diluted and dispersed across the country. 1253 01:11:07.720 --> 01:11:10.439 You can see where it goes from here, squadies in 1254 01:11:10.479 --> 01:11:14.720 the vicinity breathing the monkey air. Bad things happen, repeat 1255 01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:17.760 this across multiple sites in the country, and you've got 1256 01:11:17.800 --> 01:11:22.039 a real phenomena at work, and since the Iraqi army 1257 01:11:22.079 --> 01:11:25.319 and local civilians usually bailed the fuck out of those 1258 01:11:25.359 --> 01:11:28.479 areas when the Coalition troops rolled in, and the Coalition 1259 01:11:28.600 --> 01:11:31.680 troops were usually the ones closest to these sites because 1260 01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:34.159 they were the ones blowing them up and then hanging 1261 01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:38.399 around them after the explosion. That kind of explains how 1262 01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:42.720 local Iraqi civilians and soldiers seemed to just never get 1263 01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:47.800 Gulf War syndrome, but the Coalition soldiers did, so that 1264 01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:50.199 might explain the mystery as to why it was only 1265 01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:54.159 the Coalition soldiers who were getting this illness. But it's 1266 01:11:54.199 --> 01:11:57.079 not really on the Coalition to a point, because it 1267 01:11:57.079 --> 01:12:01.640 seems Iraq just fucking loved chemically agents, so it's not 1268 01:12:01.840 --> 01:12:06.199 too surprising that that stuff would be all over the place. Still, 1269 01:12:06.359 --> 01:12:08.520 I can't help but wonder as to how the EOD 1270 01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:11.680 teams didn't realize that they were about to blow up 1271 01:12:12.199 --> 01:12:16.720 a literal botulism bomb. And the American Army did what 1272 01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:20.079 it does best, They told the veterans. 1273 01:12:19.479 --> 01:12:22.600 Oh, we're saweye, but no, you can't file for military 1274 01:12:22.680 --> 01:12:25.479 disability now. It's not our fault that the symptoms took 1275 01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:30.680 years to show. Saw wee here's two parastamol and even sorry, 1276 01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:34.119 and even to this day, golf war veterans are still 1277 01:12:34.479 --> 01:12:39.119 suffering from this sickness. For some guys, their condition improved slightly, 1278 01:12:39.279 --> 01:12:43.119 but for others it just progressively got worse, to the 1279 01:12:43.159 --> 01:12:47.920 point where psychological issues, self harm, and suicide rates amongst 1280 01:12:47.960 --> 01:12:52.159 Golf war veterans are much much higher compared to veterans 1281 01:12:52.359 --> 01:12:56.159 of other conflicts because of the absolute smargus board of 1282 01:12:56.239 --> 01:13:00.000 chemicals that they were all breathing in, completely destroying their 1283 01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:02.039 baldies a domains. 1284 01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:07.439 Okay, so I think he did a pretty solid job 1285 01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:12.800 of explaining the situation as it stands. Before we talk 1286 01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:15.079 about this Ted talk where she talks a little bit 1287 01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:17.560 more about the veteran outreach and all these things. Jonathan, 1288 01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:18.279 what are your thoughts? 1289 01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:23.159 Well, I just think it's very unfortunate the whole series 1290 01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:25.960 of events, you know. I think, look, there's gonna be 1291 01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:29.079 things that happen in war that you can't imagine are 1292 01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:32.279 going to happen, right, Like, not everybody has a crystal ball. 1293 01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:35.600 You don't know that a like an ammunition facility is 1294 01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:38.279 going to be housing some kind of chemical agents. I 1295 01:13:38.359 --> 01:13:41.039 get that, Like nobody can look into the future like that. 1296 01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:44.960 But at the same time, it doesn't matter what happens. Yes, like, 1297 01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:48.920 if you knowingly, like no, going into the situation that 1298 01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:51.760 this place is gonna be housing certain chemicals, then maybe 1299 01:13:51.760 --> 01:13:55.239 don't send your fucking people there. But also if you 1300 01:13:55.439 --> 01:13:58.520 didn't know about that going forward, and then they word 1301 01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:01.399 DOUST with all these chemicals and stuf stuff like that, Still, 1302 01:14:01.880 --> 01:14:05.880 how about how about fund to help like bring these 1303 01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:08.840 people back to health. Whenever they come in contact do 1304 01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:11.319 they start having some kind of symptoms like that to 1305 01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:13.039 me is the ultimate slap in the face of the 1306 01:14:13.039 --> 01:14:15.479 people that are fighting for you and helping maintain your 1307 01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:16.920 fucking level of freedom over here. 1308 01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:20.399 See all right, So the general that sent the EOD 1309 01:14:20.520 --> 01:14:23.279 team out there, right, the guy who may or may 1310 01:14:23.319 --> 01:14:26.199 not have known that there was chemical agents being stored there, 1311 01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:28.159 I could tell you now, the EOD team out there, 1312 01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:31.000 the sergeants that were out there actually reading up the explosives, 1313 01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:34.520 they didn't know that that was a botulism bomb. They 1314 01:14:34.520 --> 01:14:37.079 don't know what an anthrax bomb looks like. They know 1315 01:14:37.119 --> 01:14:39.439 what explosives looks like. That's their job, you know what 1316 01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:42.680 I mean. That's like as a grunt, I couldn't tell 1317 01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:45.960 you by sound alone what that weapon in the distance 1318 01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:48.159 being fired is. My job is to go and stop 1319 01:14:48.199 --> 01:14:51.039 it from being fired. That's my job. Okay, you see 1320 01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:53.439 what I'm saying. So, like the guys in the field 1321 01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:55.760 that were blowing it up, the enlisted men that were 1322 01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:59.279 getting hit with these chemicals, I guarantee they had no 1323 01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:02.840 fucking clue. They were sent to this weapons cash and 1324 01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:06.159 they were just told to destroy all of the ordinance 1325 01:15:06.199 --> 01:15:10.039 that they find there. Ten folk got too roger that 1326 01:15:09.800 --> 01:15:12.279 that was about it. And then they get sent there. 1327 01:15:12.319 --> 01:15:14.520 They blow it up as they do, and they realize 1328 01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:19.359 pretty quickly, Wow, that is a black mushroom cloud from 1329 01:15:19.399 --> 01:15:22.000 a bomb that I just blew up. And I don't 1330 01:15:22.039 --> 01:15:25.000 know much, but I know what color smoke the bombs 1331 01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:27.840 I blow up are supposed to make, and it's not 1332 01:15:27.880 --> 01:15:31.680 supposed to be that and cool. But then they don't 1333 01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:33.680 just get to high tail it out of there. They 1334 01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:36.199 gotta sit, They gotta stand the fuck by. They gotta 1335 01:15:36.239 --> 01:15:38.479 hurry up and wait right So they gotta wait there 1336 01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:41.119 until they get cleared hot to come back to base. 1337 01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:43.880 They got to make sure that all the ordinance is 1338 01:15:43.880 --> 01:15:46.399 disposed of, and if not, they got to go back 1339 01:15:46.399 --> 01:15:48.119 and do more, so they have to hang out and 1340 01:15:48.159 --> 01:15:51.760 stick around, so they're breathing in this shit god knows what, 1341 01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:55.199 and then come to find out super low levels. It's 1342 01:15:55.199 --> 01:15:59.920 not instantly toxic, but it's absolutely toxic. Super low level 1343 01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:04.960 of seren gas, anthrax, mustard gas, all of this shit, 1344 01:16:05.039 --> 01:16:11.199 and not to mention potentially nuclear agents. Multiple nuclear, multiple chemical, 1345 01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:15.239 and multiple biohazard sites were bombed in this air raid. 1346 01:16:16.520 --> 01:16:18.279 Dude, I'm not gonna lie. Every time I hear the 1347 01:16:18.279 --> 01:16:20.720 word anthrax, it makes me think of that Eminem song 1348 01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:24.439 whenever he goes you want what you can't have? Ohgro, 1349 01:16:24.600 --> 01:16:27.319 that's too damn bad. Don't touch what you can't grab. 1350 01:16:27.560 --> 01:16:30.840 End up with two backhands, put Anthrax on that tampex 1351 01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:34.079 and slap you till you can't stand I every time 1352 01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:36.520 I hear fucking Anthrax, I think of that song. 1353 01:16:37.319 --> 01:16:39.920 I think of the metal band Anthrax. 1354 01:16:40.319 --> 01:16:41.039 Up that too. 1355 01:16:41.199 --> 01:16:42.079 But you're just me. 1356 01:16:42.479 --> 01:16:44.439 You're more into that metal shit than I am. I 1357 01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:45.800 enjoy it, but I'm. 1358 01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:47.079 So different you and I it. 1359 01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:50.439 Yeah, I grew up on fucking Eminem and so that's 1360 01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:52.079 just tattooed into my mind. 1361 01:16:52.760 --> 01:16:55.680 Yes, indeed, yes, indeed, all right now, let's go ahead 1362 01:16:55.680 --> 01:16:57.840 and listen to this this Ted talk. Is it from 1363 01:16:58.039 --> 01:17:02.159 six years ago? Five six years ago? And let's hear 1364 01:17:02.199 --> 01:17:04.680 what they have to say about this Gulf War syndrome 1365 01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:06.239 and what's being done today with it. 1366 01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:09.720 On November third, twenty seventeen, in Tampa, Florida, hundreds of 1367 01:17:09.800 --> 01:17:14.680 veterans gathered because they are angry that to this day, 1368 01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:18.119 doctors at VA hospitals still don't know how to properly 1369 01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:21.720 diagnose golf war illness. They don't tie the symptoms together, 1370 01:17:21.800 --> 01:17:24.760 they don't put it together. And so they gathered on 1371 01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:28.960 their own accord to educate doctors, inviting in care providers 1372 01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:32.319 and taping the symposium so that they could educate other 1373 01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:38.560 VA providers throughout the country. Just how many veterans are sick? 1374 01:17:39.399 --> 01:17:42.239 Two hundred and fifty thousand of the seven hundred thousand 1375 01:17:42.319 --> 01:17:45.079 veterans who served in the Persian Golf War are sick 1376 01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:48.640 chronically ill with symptoms of golf war illness. That's a 1377 01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:49.840 rate of one in three. 1378 01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:54.359 All right, hold on before she continues, Jonathan, one in 1379 01:17:54.600 --> 01:17:55.680 fucking three. 1380 01:17:56.680 --> 01:17:59.000 Yeah, that ain't a couple of crackpots that are searching 1381 01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:01.640 for a handout. That's not what is going on here. 1382 01:18:02.399 --> 01:18:04.279 It's not even like it's a little bit oh well, 1383 01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:06.319 it's a little insomnia. Oh, they just have a little 1384 01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:13.399 trouble sleeping. Bro One in three deployed military members are 1385 01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:17.159 suffering from a sickness that the government A didn't acknowledge 1386 01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:21.600 was real. B Just disregarded that they had any involvement 1387 01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:24.479 with giving it to them. And then c are still 1388 01:18:24.520 --> 01:18:26.279 just kind of fumbling around in the dark to give 1389 01:18:26.319 --> 01:18:27.680 them any benefits to help them. 1390 01:18:27.680 --> 01:18:31.239 Now again, if you didn't know and you didn't have 1391 01:18:31.279 --> 01:18:35.359 the information, that's understandable. But here we are in twenty 1392 01:18:35.399 --> 01:18:37.680 twenty four and these people are still fucking going through 1393 01:18:37.720 --> 01:18:40.239 this and they have not received any kind of assistance 1394 01:18:40.319 --> 01:18:43.680 nor has there been any real in depth research in 1395 01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:48.239 regards to their fucking health. That's that's absurd that this 1396 01:18:48.359 --> 01:18:51.039 is still happened twenty seventeen. That they had to get 1397 01:18:51.079 --> 01:18:53.720 together to try to make something happen on their own. 1398 01:18:53.760 --> 01:18:56.439 The veteran community had to make this happen, not the VA. 1399 01:18:57.039 --> 01:19:00.239 Right then COVID hit. What do you think I think 1400 01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:02.359 the government did or do you think they even care 1401 01:19:02.439 --> 01:19:02.920 about this? 1402 01:19:03.039 --> 01:19:03.279 Now? 1403 01:19:04.279 --> 01:19:06.680 No, dude, there was no money to be made off 1404 01:19:06.720 --> 01:19:10.600 of it. Let's keep going fucking dirty rags is how 1405 01:19:10.640 --> 01:19:11.960 they're seeing them on. 1406 01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:17.039 The vaccine botulum and anthrax were suspended in a substance 1407 01:19:17.079 --> 01:19:21.840 called squalen. We now know that squaling has a high neurotoxicity, 1408 01:19:22.279 --> 01:19:29.359 resulting in none other than stomach cramps, nausea, vomiting, muscle pain, 1409 01:19:30.119 --> 01:19:37.199 neurological toxicity tremors. We find squalen in many different types 1410 01:19:37.239 --> 01:19:41.720 of vaccines. It's also curious that both deployed and non 1411 01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:46.960 deployed veterans who received these vaccines also have the same 1412 01:19:47.319 --> 01:19:52.560 neurological symptoms. The pills you see here are called in 1413 01:19:52.600 --> 01:19:57.279 the field PB pills or pyrostigmid bromide. These pills were 1414 01:19:57.279 --> 01:19:59.920 supposed to be an antidote to the sign or psych 1415 01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:03.399 glossarin gas that could be unleashed by Saddam Hussein onto 1416 01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:07.800 our troops. Veterans had the fear put in them that 1417 01:20:07.880 --> 01:20:10.760 if they didn't take the PEB pill they could suffocate, 1418 01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:13.560 that they could bleed out, that they could just die 1419 01:20:13.640 --> 01:20:17.279 right there in the field. And yet there's a fine 1420 01:20:17.319 --> 01:20:21.399 print warning that these have not been FDA approved, nor 1421 01:20:21.479 --> 01:20:26.359 had they been field tested. So essentially troops were ordered 1422 01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:29.399 to take these pills that had not been FDA approved, 1423 01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:32.560 as the Pentagon had sought a waiver in the name 1424 01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:36.239 of national defense to administer these vaccines and pills to 1425 01:20:36.319 --> 01:20:41.159 our troops. This is a direct violation of the Nuremberg Code, 1426 01:20:41.159 --> 01:20:44.680 which states that you cannot experiment upon a vulnerable population 1427 01:20:45.159 --> 01:20:48.279 who has no right to inform consent in that moment, 1428 01:20:48.319 --> 01:20:50.640 as they are in the theater of war. And yet 1429 01:20:50.680 --> 01:20:58.159 this happened. The burning oil fires, the deet that sprayed 1430 01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:07.960 their encampments, the pesticides, which one of those possible causes 1431 01:21:07.960 --> 01:21:14.880 could it be? In Bagdad Express Author Joel Turnipseed, who 1432 01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:19.000 served with the six Marine Division Transport, recalled that his 1433 01:21:19.439 --> 01:21:22.920 superior officers threatened them that if they didn't take the pills, 1434 01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:26.840 they'd lose their insurance, they'd be put on latrine duties, 1435 01:21:28.960 --> 01:21:32.279 so they'd better take the things they were being ordered. 1436 01:21:33.880 --> 01:21:38.279 Navy corman Krista Grenier testified that while giving the pills 1437 01:21:38.399 --> 01:21:41.960 in the field per her orders, she was simultaneously ordered 1438 01:21:41.960 --> 01:21:44.760 to destroy the record to whom she had given those pills, 1439 01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:48.079 and she testified that to this very day, she still 1440 01:21:48.119 --> 01:21:51.640 doesn't know why she needed to destroy the medical records 1441 01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:54.520 of those who received these pills, and she is not 1442 01:21:54.680 --> 01:21:57.560 the only Navy corman who has testified to this effect. 1443 01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:02.439 How real was this threat. 1444 01:22:02.159 --> 01:22:05.199 Of biological weapons. We certainly heard about it, We certainly 1445 01:22:05.239 --> 01:22:06.079 worried about it. 1446 01:22:07.520 --> 01:22:07.680 Well. 1447 01:22:07.720 --> 01:22:10.840 Senator Regal wanted to know as he was chair of 1448 01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:20.279 the House Urban Committee Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs, And 1449 01:22:20.319 --> 01:22:23.439 the Regal Report has become a very famous report that 1450 01:22:23.479 --> 01:22:27.279 in nineteen ninety four did find that the United States 1451 01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:31.199 had indeed sold these formulas for these very biological weapons 1452 01:22:31.399 --> 01:22:34.800 to none other than Iraq during the Iran Iraq War 1453 01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:39.079 when Iraq was our ally. That's how we knew what 1454 01:22:39.159 --> 01:22:42.239 could possibly be utilized against our troops. That's how we 1455 01:22:42.319 --> 01:22:50.439 began to formulate vaccinations. In March of nineteen ninety one, 1456 01:22:50.479 --> 01:22:57.920 we bombed a biological weapons storage facility at Kamisaya, and 1457 01:22:58.159 --> 01:23:03.079 a toxic plume which described now by veterans as the ploom, 1458 01:23:03.279 --> 01:23:06.560 came across large portions of the theater. And for years, 1459 01:23:06.600 --> 01:23:09.079 the government's take on this was that it was isolated, 1460 01:23:09.119 --> 01:23:11.840 that it only was in a certain area and only 1461 01:23:11.880 --> 01:23:15.399 certain units were exposed. But we now know that that 1462 01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:19.760 was not true, that this toxicity because of the wind 1463 01:23:19.960 --> 01:23:23.760 and because of the environmental factors, went all over the theater. 1464 01:23:24.479 --> 01:23:28.039 And in fact, we have Linda Everhardt who was on 1465 01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:31.000 a ship, the hospital ship Comfort in the middle of 1466 01:23:31.039 --> 01:23:35.359 the Gulf, who recalls walking outside and smelling toxicity in 1467 01:23:35.399 --> 01:23:38.640 the air and knowing that there was a chemical attack. 1468 01:23:39.640 --> 01:23:42.520 Although alarms would sound in the field and troops would 1469 01:23:42.560 --> 01:23:45.640 be worn to don their mission oriented Protective Posture or 1470 01:23:45.720 --> 01:23:49.600 MOTT forgear, which involves a charcoal suit and a gas mask, 1471 01:23:50.199 --> 01:23:52.279 many times they were then ordered, oh, that was a 1472 01:23:52.319 --> 01:23:56.000 false alarm. Now troops are wondering how many of those 1473 01:23:56.039 --> 01:24:00.279 alarms were real and how many times were they indeed 1474 01:24:00.319 --> 01:24:06.560 to chemicals. What's worse is that we waged a nuclear war. 1475 01:24:08.800 --> 01:24:12.199 The Persian Gulf War was a nuclear war. The United 1476 01:24:12.239 --> 01:24:15.520 States continues to coat its weapons that we shoot from 1477 01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:21.279 airplanes and tanks with depleted uranium. What is depleted uranium anyway, Well, 1478 01:24:21.640 --> 01:24:22.720 you can see behind me. 1479 01:24:24.239 --> 01:24:24.920 These are. 1480 01:24:26.399 --> 01:24:31.199 Nuclear plumes. Uranium is a heavy toxic metal. It has 1481 01:24:31.239 --> 01:24:34.520 a four hundred thousand year half life. It causes genetic 1482 01:24:34.560 --> 01:24:39.319 birth effects and alterations, elevations and alterations in hormonal balance. 1483 01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:46.560 It's a nuclear weapon, and it was utilized and prolifically 1484 01:24:46.920 --> 01:24:50.399 without warning, and the Pentagon admits that they have used 1485 01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:54.159 it in both Iraq wars and estimated that three hundred 1486 01:24:54.199 --> 01:24:57.720 and twenty metric tons have been left in the environment 1487 01:24:58.039 --> 01:25:03.600 surrounding Iraq, but the International Order of Physicians against the 1488 01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:06.840 Proliferation of Nuclear War estimates it's more like a thousand 1489 01:25:06.920 --> 01:25:11.680 metric tons. At the Basra Hospital, which is very close 1490 01:25:11.720 --> 01:25:14.479 to the famous Highway of Death, which is where the 1491 01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:18.079 United States and Coalition forces had bombed the retreating Iraqi 1492 01:25:18.920 --> 01:25:24.880 civilians and army, there are high concentrations of uranium. Doctors 1493 01:25:24.920 --> 01:25:27.319 report that at least twice a month a baby is 1494 01:25:27.319 --> 01:25:32.039 born in Basra with severe birth defects. Some of the 1495 01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:37.560 common defects that are seen are a syndrome known as 1496 01:25:38.079 --> 01:25:43.520 gerlain Bar syndrome. This syndrome results in microkophyala, missing limbs, 1497 01:25:43.960 --> 01:25:47.600 misplaced displaced or missing organs, and club feet in the 1498 01:25:47.640 --> 01:25:52.319 babies who are born with this disorder. Babies born of 1499 01:25:53.000 --> 01:25:57.039 troops returning from Iraq also have this disorder. 1500 01:25:58.319 --> 01:26:01.439 Okay, so I agree with a couple of things that 1501 01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:04.000 she said. Well, she said a lot, So let's just 1502 01:26:04.079 --> 01:26:06.640 unpack it from the top down. Here Okay, So starting 1503 01:26:06.640 --> 01:26:11.680 with the depleted uranium, Now, I don't believe that that 1504 01:26:11.720 --> 01:26:15.520 classifies this as a nuclear war. The depleted uranium that 1505 01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:18.600 she's talking about is what's used in armor piercing rounds, 1506 01:26:18.840 --> 01:26:22.600 which is fired from our tanks at other tanks. Iraq 1507 01:26:22.800 --> 01:26:25.720 during this war was said to have the fourth largest 1508 01:26:25.760 --> 01:26:28.159 tank army on Earth. So yes, we were using a 1509 01:26:28.199 --> 01:26:32.439 lot of armor piercing rounds at this time. So that whatever. Now, 1510 01:26:33.319 --> 01:26:36.159 the opposite side of that is that to say that 1511 01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:39.840 a thousand metric tons of depleted uranium has been left 1512 01:26:39.880 --> 01:26:43.560 in the area since Now, okay, you have my attention. 1513 01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:46.399 That's not just a few rounds. That's that's a lot 1514 01:26:46.439 --> 01:26:46.960 of rounds. 1515 01:26:47.159 --> 01:26:49.760 It's a lot of rounds man. The fact that they 1516 01:26:49.840 --> 01:26:54.199 are covering that up. I mean, we know, like people 1517 01:26:54.279 --> 01:26:57.199 who go out to war or who are in the military, 1518 01:26:57.239 --> 01:27:00.920 you're receiving a maximum amount of vaccine. And then the 1519 01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:03.680 people who end up having like birth effects on their 1520 01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:07.239 children as a result of said vaccines that are ultimately 1521 01:27:07.319 --> 01:27:12.520 just experimental. It's like, it's it's it's so unfortunate that 1522 01:27:12.560 --> 01:27:15.239 shit happens. But then you got people coming from this 1523 01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:18.000 whole Gulf Wars situation with all the chemicals that are 1524 01:27:18.039 --> 01:27:20.319 involved in people like these babies are being born with 1525 01:27:20.359 --> 01:27:21.800 our fucking limbs. 1526 01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:24.119 Like, now, oh yeah, well that's the thing. 1527 01:27:24.159 --> 01:27:24.359 Though. 1528 01:27:24.479 --> 01:27:28.600 We gave Saddam the ability and the chemicals to make 1529 01:27:28.680 --> 01:27:32.960 this weapons to fight Iran. That was something that we did. 1530 01:27:33.039 --> 01:27:36.359 We created the bad guy. He then used it against 1531 01:27:36.359 --> 01:27:39.439 his Kurdish population to the north, and we stood by 1532 01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:42.600 and let it happen because we couldn't stop him after 1533 01:27:42.640 --> 01:27:46.119 we just gave him the new toy, right, and everybody 1534 01:27:46.159 --> 01:27:49.920 looked at America, Why won't America stop Saddam from from 1535 01:27:50.079 --> 01:27:52.840 chemically altering and harming these people? Blah blah blah, and 1536 01:27:52.840 --> 01:27:57.239 it's like we couldn't. We had to turn our blind 1537 01:27:57.239 --> 01:27:59.760 eye to it because we were literally the ones that 1538 01:27:59.800 --> 01:28:01.800 gave it to him in the first place. Bro, we 1539 01:28:01.840 --> 01:28:04.199 taught the caveman fire, Well, we're gonna we're gonna stop 1540 01:28:04.239 --> 01:28:05.079 him from burning shit. 1541 01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:08.680 Where are the fucking plug, dude, you know ex likely 1542 01:28:08.760 --> 01:28:11.640 And then we're and then we're like, oh, well, I mean, 1543 01:28:11.720 --> 01:28:13.600 I can't believe that he would do that to these 1544 01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:17.399 other people. And it's like the other side part of me, 1545 01:28:18.560 --> 01:28:20.640 a part of me just looks at it like, all right, well, 1546 01:28:20.680 --> 01:28:23.479 maybe we gave that chemical compound or whatever to Saddam 1547 01:28:23.560 --> 01:28:26.880 because it was a cheap thing to make and they 1548 01:28:26.920 --> 01:28:29.960 were able to afford that kind of chemical agent. It's 1549 01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:32.520 ultimate warfare. You're trying to do it at the UH 1550 01:28:32.880 --> 01:28:35.319 really on a small budget so that you can extend, 1551 01:28:35.680 --> 01:28:37.000 you know, if the war has to go for a 1552 01:28:37.079 --> 01:28:39.239 very long time. You don't want to, you know, use 1553 01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:41.880 up all your money or whatever. I get it. But 1554 01:28:42.159 --> 01:28:43.680 to a certain level, it's like. 1555 01:28:43.840 --> 01:28:46.399 Well, it's a reason why we can't use them. The 1556 01:28:46.439 --> 01:28:50.399 Geneva Convention says we can't use those. However, Iraq didn't 1557 01:28:50.439 --> 01:28:53.239 sign that agreement, and so when the time came and 1558 01:28:53.279 --> 01:28:57.359 they were fighting an enemy of America, they can use 1559 01:28:57.439 --> 01:28:59.520 chemical warfare. Now, we don't want to give them nukes, 1560 01:28:59.640 --> 01:29:01.920 of course, so that that would be fucking crazy. But 1561 01:29:02.880 --> 01:29:06.199 to give him something else that is as lethal, that's 1562 01:29:06.239 --> 01:29:10.039 not a nuke that they we didn't give them. Hey, 1563 01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:12.039 they did that. They figured out on their own, you 1564 01:29:12.039 --> 01:29:14.600 know what I mean. Whatever, Like there was plausible deniability 1565 01:29:14.720 --> 01:29:16.520 enough to where it was like, eh, whatever, But think 1566 01:29:16.520 --> 01:29:19.279 about that too, now, dude. That means that at these 1567 01:29:19.319 --> 01:29:23.920 weapons storage facilities, we knew what he had because we 1568 01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:27.079 gave it to him. I mean, these EOD guys in 1569 01:29:27.119 --> 01:29:29.199 the field that were blowing it up, the guys at 1570 01:29:29.239 --> 01:29:31.840 the top could have given him a heads up or hey, 1571 01:29:32.239 --> 01:29:34.960 here's how you properly dispose of this type of thing 1572 01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:38.359 that you're gonna find at this place. We had the intel, dude, 1573 01:29:38.399 --> 01:29:39.399 we had satellites. 1574 01:29:40.640 --> 01:29:40.920 You know. 1575 01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:47.239 It's not like it's above the string polers of the 1576 01:29:47.279 --> 01:29:49.800 American military or of the government. It's not like it's 1577 01:29:49.800 --> 01:29:53.600 above us to hand out some kind of chemical agent 1578 01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:58.640 to be able to fight some certain adversaries. I mean, 1579 01:29:58.680 --> 01:30:00.960 I just think about, like, what was it the std 1580 01:30:01.079 --> 01:30:03.199 blankets that we gave the fucking Native Americans? 1581 01:30:03.880 --> 01:30:09.880 Oh yeah, the syphilist blankets? The syphilis? Was it tuberculosis? Maybe? 1582 01:30:10.159 --> 01:30:12.760 But we the Tuskegee Experiments is when we gave the 1583 01:30:13.239 --> 01:30:16.640 that group syphilis and then just gave him Thailand all 1584 01:30:16.640 --> 01:30:18.680 for years and years just to see. 1585 01:30:18.479 --> 01:30:20.119 That's what it was. I got, I got the things 1586 01:30:20.159 --> 01:30:24.239 mixed up. But even still, it's like, I mean, there's 1587 01:30:24.439 --> 01:30:27.960 just no regard for humanity at this point, and it's 1588 01:30:28.000 --> 01:30:31.720 fucking it's sad, you know, And honestly, it like that 1589 01:30:31.800 --> 01:30:34.479 kind of shit. Really, like if you haven't already lost 1590 01:30:34.520 --> 01:30:37.199 some kind of respect for the people that are in 1591 01:30:37.279 --> 01:30:41.760 charge of certain warfare, it's like that is I mean, look, 1592 01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:44.199 I don't I don't want to see anybody die personally, 1593 01:30:44.279 --> 01:30:46.840 Like not that I'm anti I'm not anti war. I 1594 01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:49.640 know I say that. But you can't be anti door. 1595 01:30:50.600 --> 01:30:55.319 I totally get that. You you. Unfortunately, war is necessary 1596 01:30:55.359 --> 01:30:57.600 in some certain situations. 1597 01:30:57.439 --> 01:30:59.960 But the most effective way of solving problems throughout the 1598 01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:01.079 course of human history. 1599 01:31:01.520 --> 01:31:04.560 I get it. It's unfortunate that it's true, but like, 1600 01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:07.399 but I don't know, dude, it's just, you know, the 1601 01:31:07.680 --> 01:31:10.239 the lengths at which they're willing to take it is 1602 01:31:10.439 --> 01:31:11.880 just fucking inhumane. 1603 01:31:12.640 --> 01:31:15.159 I agree, I agree, But now let's talk about that 1604 01:31:15.239 --> 01:31:19.600 the lengths right, Because the Goal War was also kind 1605 01:31:19.640 --> 01:31:22.760 of an interesting one. It is arguably the only time 1606 01:31:22.800 --> 01:31:27.000 where the might of the US military was unleashed, unchained 1607 01:31:27.560 --> 01:31:30.800 because by the time that the politicians had the opportunity 1608 01:31:30.840 --> 01:31:34.159 to talk about it, it was over. We had wrapped 1609 01:31:34.159 --> 01:31:36.960 it up in one hundred hours, give or take. And 1610 01:31:37.880 --> 01:31:41.199 the reason behind that was because basically America hadn't had 1611 01:31:41.199 --> 01:31:45.680 a chance to have a forward offensive operation since Vietnam. Yeah, 1612 01:31:45.720 --> 01:31:47.760 we had a couple of things throughout the eighties, and 1613 01:31:47.800 --> 01:31:49.520 you want to talk about Kosovo, you want to talk 1614 01:31:49.520 --> 01:31:52.720 about Bosnia. There was some stuff, but not to the 1615 01:31:52.840 --> 01:31:56.359 level of a full frontal assault from the United States military, 1616 01:31:56.399 --> 01:31:59.079 and especially not a NATO coalition group like this. So 1617 01:32:00.279 --> 01:32:03.199 we pretty much just went fucking ham And again we 1618 01:32:03.279 --> 01:32:05.800 thought that this was going to be a fight to 1619 01:32:06.039 --> 01:32:08.640 the fourth largest tank army on Earth, and all this 1620 01:32:08.760 --> 01:32:11.680 funding and bump up, up, up, we didn't realize that 1621 01:32:12.079 --> 01:32:15.760 the tanks weren't all operating or operational excuse me, or 1622 01:32:15.800 --> 01:32:18.319 it would even be moved. We didn't know that half 1623 01:32:18.319 --> 01:32:20.800 of them were anchored to the ground and were basically 1624 01:32:20.840 --> 01:32:23.399 just turrets. We didn't know that half of them didn't 1625 01:32:23.399 --> 01:32:26.680 have AMMO in them. We didn't know so many things, 1626 01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:29.880 but we found out very quickly. Within one hundred hours, 1627 01:32:30.199 --> 01:32:32.239 as a matter of fact, is how quickly we found 1628 01:32:32.239 --> 01:32:35.960 this out. But you know that being said, she brought 1629 01:32:36.039 --> 01:32:38.880 up something that the Highway of death, Jonathan, have you 1630 01:32:38.920 --> 01:32:41.079 ever heard of the Highway of death? 1631 01:32:41.760 --> 01:32:44.359 I mean, I always call it the Autobahn, but I 1632 01:32:44.359 --> 01:32:46.359 have a feeling that that's not what we're talking about. 1633 01:32:46.960 --> 01:32:50.439 It's not, let's go ahead and learn about the Highway 1634 01:32:50.479 --> 01:32:55.880 of Death. In the Desert Storm Gulf War era, a. 1635 01:32:55.920 --> 01:32:59.239 Long column of Iraqi troops, loaded down with military equipment 1636 01:32:59.279 --> 01:33:02.359 and stolen gold, beat a hasty retreat out of Kuwait. 1637 01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:05.800 They fled along the road to Basra, now better known 1638 01:33:05.840 --> 01:33:07.520 as the Highway of Death. 1639 01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:12.159 The head of the Kuwaiti underground called me and he 1640 01:33:12.199 --> 01:33:16.239 said they're leaving. He was crying. I started crying, and 1641 01:33:16.279 --> 01:33:19.319 then we said we need to stop this exodus because 1642 01:33:19.520 --> 01:33:22.279 this is military capability which may be turned around and 1643 01:33:22.319 --> 01:33:24.359 brought back into play in a few years. 1644 01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:28.479 The Iraqis that were in Kuwait, from the top person 1645 01:33:28.800 --> 01:33:34.920 to the lowest person, were the most brutal individuals that 1646 01:33:35.279 --> 01:33:40.039 societies had to deal with since World War Two. So 1647 01:33:40.079 --> 01:33:43.720 when the call came that they were taking their equipment 1648 01:33:43.960 --> 01:33:47.640 and cars and trucks in exity, I called Colonel bull 1649 01:33:47.720 --> 01:33:50.840 Baker and I said, I want you to get twelve 1650 01:33:50.920 --> 01:33:53.920 aircrews and I want you to personally take them to 1651 01:33:53.960 --> 01:33:56.199 the airplane. Tell them they only have to do one thing. 1652 01:33:56.600 --> 01:34:00.239 Go to Kuwait City, go north on Highway six and 1653 01:34:00.279 --> 01:34:02.279 stopped the convoy. 1654 01:34:02.640 --> 01:34:05.920 F fifteen e's boxed the convoy in by bombing vehicles 1655 01:34:05.960 --> 01:34:08.760 at the front and the end of the column. Then 1656 01:34:08.800 --> 01:34:11.640 bombers and helicopter gunships went down the two mile long 1657 01:34:11.680 --> 01:34:15.239 line of traffic and methodically brew up every single vehicle. 1658 01:34:16.399 --> 01:34:19.000 It was one of the most controversial events of the war. 1659 01:34:22.760 --> 01:34:25.840 There were some Iraqis who were killed, but I was 1660 01:34:25.920 --> 01:34:31.520 there at that point when the Iraqi truck engines were 1661 01:34:31.560 --> 01:34:35.680 still running. Nobody in them, but the engine was running, 1662 01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:38.600 so they weren't stupid. They had seen air coming down 1663 01:34:38.880 --> 01:34:41.880 the goalam and they'd bailed out and escaped over in 1664 01:34:41.920 --> 01:34:45.920 the marsh and ultimately made their way back into Iraq, 1665 01:34:46.039 --> 01:34:50.720 So it really wasn't the Highway of death per se. 1666 01:34:51.239 --> 01:34:54.760 That was the most horrible scene I've ever seen in 1667 01:34:54.760 --> 01:34:59.439 my life, that the old incancy is destroyed equipment and courses. 1668 01:35:00.479 --> 01:35:03.520 Few meters away from me, there was a. 1669 01:35:03.560 --> 01:35:11.720 Tank covered with corpses, still freshly killed. Their blood was dripping, 1670 01:35:13.319 --> 01:35:16.399 and it was the whole tank was covered with corpses 1671 01:35:16.439 --> 01:35:17.039 and blood. 1672 01:35:18.479 --> 01:35:22.119 Faced with the grim results, some wondered if overwhelming force 1673 01:35:22.560 --> 01:35:24.079 had mutated into overkill. 1674 01:35:25.359 --> 01:35:28.600 That created a sense that we were beating up on 1675 01:35:28.680 --> 01:35:31.600 these Iraqis who were just simply trying to flee the battlefield. 1676 01:35:32.520 --> 01:35:36.319 It did not convey the sense about defanging the Iraqis 1677 01:35:36.319 --> 01:35:38.720 sufficiently so that they'd stay in their box at least 1678 01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:41.520 ten years. So I had no problem with what we 1679 01:35:41.600 --> 01:35:44.640 did on the so called Highway of Death or destruction. 1680 01:35:45.720 --> 01:35:45.840 Bro. 1681 01:35:46.119 --> 01:35:48.600 Look at all of those shelled out cars. 1682 01:35:50.199 --> 01:35:52.680 You know, it's like whenever you see shit like this. 1683 01:35:52.880 --> 01:35:56.920 Of course, people that are coming back after, you know, 1684 01:35:57.600 --> 01:36:02.920 having to experience this high spectacle, your life's gonna be 1685 01:36:02.920 --> 01:36:05.680 a little fucking fractured, you know what I'm saying, Like 1686 01:36:05.880 --> 01:36:08.760 psychologically that would fuck you up seeing this shit in 1687 01:36:08.800 --> 01:36:10.399 real life, Oh. 1688 01:36:10.279 --> 01:36:14.159 One hundred percent. Bro. But with that being said, remember 1689 01:36:14.199 --> 01:36:16.439 this is what that lady said. This is bogram this 1690 01:36:16.640 --> 01:36:19.359 or I've probably butchered in the ways pronounced. But this 1691 01:36:19.439 --> 01:36:22.600 is where they're saying that, like so every so often 1692 01:36:22.640 --> 01:36:26.000 a kid has born with these crazy defects. She is 1693 01:36:26.039 --> 01:36:29.079 postulating that it's because of all the depleted uranium in 1694 01:36:29.159 --> 01:36:33.439 the ground from this bombardment. Dude, Now did you hear 1695 01:36:33.479 --> 01:36:37.720 what he said? Due two miles of cars and equipment. Basically, 1696 01:36:37.800 --> 01:36:40.640 this was when the war was kicking off, right. Kuwait, 1697 01:36:41.000 --> 01:36:44.319 poor little Kuwait, who was an ally of America just 1698 01:36:44.399 --> 01:36:48.479 got ransacked by Iraq. They were annexing it, very very 1699 01:36:48.479 --> 01:36:51.000 similar to how Russia did to Crimea and how Russia's 1700 01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:52.960 doing to Ukraine right now. And they're like, yo, we 1701 01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:54.960 don't want to be a part of Iraq. We're our 1702 01:36:55.000 --> 01:36:57.600 own nation and we're good with that. And Saddam's like, no, no, 1703 01:36:57.640 --> 01:37:01.239 you're meant to be with us. This is clearly traditionally, 1704 01:37:01.760 --> 01:37:04.199 this is the way the map's always been written. All 1705 01:37:04.239 --> 01:37:07.439 the shit, all the stuff we hear from these dictator types. Cool, 1706 01:37:08.159 --> 01:37:11.640 And they just ransacked a spot. And if you actually 1707 01:37:11.640 --> 01:37:14.319 look at the city that that convoy was leaving, they 1708 01:37:14.439 --> 01:37:19.840 just got done doing some horrible, horrible atrocities to humanity 1709 01:37:20.399 --> 01:37:23.119 from where they were leaving. Two coming back into Iraq 1710 01:37:23.199 --> 01:37:26.119 down this highway. Your boy calls up and is like, hey, 1711 01:37:26.119 --> 01:37:30.840 you got one job. Eliminate the convoy roger that fucking 1712 01:37:31.159 --> 01:37:34.520 two miles of NonStop just blowing the shit out of 1713 01:37:34.560 --> 01:37:37.159 them so much though, that became the Highway of death. 1714 01:37:38.119 --> 01:37:43.560 My god, that is such a sight to see, just 1715 01:37:43.640 --> 01:37:47.119 even this one picture of the part of the highway. 1716 01:37:47.279 --> 01:37:49.720 You know, you said it was two miles. 1717 01:37:50.119 --> 01:37:53.560 Two miles and literally every single vehicle on the road 1718 01:37:53.680 --> 01:37:55.880 for those two miles, which again it's not like there 1719 01:37:55.960 --> 01:37:58.079 was tons of vehicles on the road that were civilians. 1720 01:37:58.479 --> 01:38:01.079 This was all bad guys. There were a few civilians 1721 01:38:01.079 --> 01:38:03.319 that were killed, and my boy here on Warfronts is 1722 01:38:03.359 --> 01:38:06.159 going to talk about that. But it wasn't like there 1723 01:38:06.239 --> 01:38:08.680 was like school buses full of kids and stuff like. No, 1724 01:38:08.720 --> 01:38:10.640 it was the middle of the night and this one 1725 01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:15.000 convoy that we're all riding at high speeds very close together. God, 1726 01:38:15.600 --> 01:38:17.199 lit the fuck up. 1727 01:38:18.319 --> 01:38:20.640 I mean, I guess all is fair in love and war, 1728 01:38:20.680 --> 01:38:21.560 as they say. 1729 01:38:22.079 --> 01:38:24.520 Correct, correct, Actually know what I'm gonna go ahead and 1730 01:38:24.600 --> 01:38:28.039 try to reshare because we are having issues with our 1731 01:38:28.159 --> 01:38:30.600 sound and the sharing on this episode for some reason, 1732 01:38:30.640 --> 01:38:32.600 because I don't know we're on something. 1733 01:38:32.640 --> 01:38:34.000 I guess they don't want you to know this. 1734 01:38:34.720 --> 01:38:37.079 Let's go ahead and hear about it. From Warfronts. 1735 01:38:37.439 --> 01:38:40.720 On February the twenty seventh, nineteen ninety one, General Norman Schwartzkov, 1736 01:38:40.800 --> 01:38:43.119 the Commander in chief of United States Central Command and 1737 01:38:43.199 --> 01:38:46.239 leader of the Coalition forces in the Golf Theater, ordered 1738 01:38:46.279 --> 01:38:49.079 a massive aerial bombardment of the fleeing army. Now this 1739 01:38:49.199 --> 01:38:52.479 might sounds at first like a mistake. The army was fleeing. 1740 01:38:52.720 --> 01:38:55.560 Surely the war was won. There was no need to 1741 01:38:55.600 --> 01:38:57.880 attack the army as they left Kuwait. They posed no 1742 01:38:57.960 --> 01:39:00.560 threat to anyone at this point. However, the soul were 1743 01:39:00.600 --> 01:39:03.960 fleeing in their trucks and taking their equipment back to Iraq. 1744 01:39:04.119 --> 01:39:06.399 The Coalition did not want sad Arma's forces to be 1745 01:39:06.439 --> 01:39:09.399 able to reuse these tanks, miss our launchers, trucks and 1746 01:39:09.439 --> 01:39:12.079 more in the future. General Schwarzcoff himself said as much 1747 01:39:12.079 --> 01:39:14.319 in an interview with PBS, quoting here, the first reason 1748 01:39:14.319 --> 01:39:16.680 why we bombed the highway coming out of Kuwait is 1749 01:39:16.720 --> 01:39:19.079 because there was a great deal of military equipment on 1750 01:39:19.119 --> 01:39:21.600 that highway. And again I'd given orders to all my 1751 01:39:21.640 --> 01:39:24.439 commanders that I wanted every piece of Iraqi equipment that 1752 01:39:24.640 --> 01:39:28.439 we possibly could destroyed, because if we destroyed that Iraqi 1753 01:39:28.479 --> 01:39:31.279 military equipment, that was equipment that would not be around 1754 01:39:31.279 --> 01:39:33.520 for them to use later on. General truck Horner, the 1755 01:39:33.520 --> 01:39:35.560 Coalition Air Force commander at the time, had a similar 1756 01:39:35.560 --> 01:39:38.079 sentiment in a story he told to a documentary crew. 1757 01:39:38.119 --> 01:39:40.239 He said, the head of the Kuwaiti underground called me 1758 01:39:40.279 --> 01:39:41.600 and said they're leaving. 1759 01:39:41.960 --> 01:39:42.680 He was crying. 1760 01:39:42.800 --> 01:39:45.439 I started crying, and then we said we need to 1761 01:39:45.439 --> 01:39:48.760 stop this exodus because this was military capability which maybe 1762 01:39:48.760 --> 01:39:51.239 turned around and brought back into play in a few years. 1763 01:39:51.439 --> 01:39:54.279 This made the fleeing column of vehicles a justified military 1764 01:39:54.279 --> 01:39:56.960 target for the Coalition in their rules of engagement. The 1765 01:39:56.960 --> 01:39:59.680 Coalition took full advantage of this fact, and the results 1766 01:39:59.760 --> 01:40:04.359 were absolutely devastating for the fleeing Iraqi Army. Coalition aircraft, 1767 01:40:04.359 --> 01:40:06.479 made up of their fifteen E fighter jets, eight ends 1768 01:40:06.520 --> 01:40:10.079 and attack helicopters, repeatedly straighted the two mile long convoy 1769 01:40:10.079 --> 01:40:12.239 on the highway. They began by attacking the vehicles at 1770 01:40:12.239 --> 01:40:14.680 the front and back of the convoy, which effectively stopped 1771 01:40:14.680 --> 01:40:16.840 many of the vehicles in their tracks and left them trapped. 1772 01:40:16.960 --> 01:40:19.159 The remaining vehicles in the middle of the convoy were 1773 01:40:19.159 --> 01:40:21.399 sitting ducks. Over the course of the next several hours, 1774 01:40:21.479 --> 01:40:25.119 Coalition aircraft systematically and methodically blew up every single vehicle 1775 01:40:25.119 --> 01:40:27.760 on Highway eighty. While some Iraqi vehicles did get past 1776 01:40:27.760 --> 01:40:31.000 the initial convoy and the ensuing barrage, they were systematically 1777 01:40:31.159 --> 01:40:35.000 hounded by Apache helicopters as they sped back to the border. 1778 01:40:35.159 --> 01:40:36.560 Even when reaching Iraq. 1779 01:40:36.319 --> 01:40:39.600 Itself, the Coalition forces continued to deal damage to remaining 1780 01:40:39.640 --> 01:40:42.399 Iraqi vehicles and equipment. They wanted to make sure that 1781 01:40:42.439 --> 01:40:45.039 Saddam could not pull this doune again in the future. 1782 01:40:45.199 --> 01:40:47.720 The Atlantic reports that a large number of Kuwaiti civilian 1783 01:40:47.800 --> 01:40:49.960 vehicles were destroyed in the attack. At first, it was 1784 01:40:49.960 --> 01:40:51.760 feared that this could have been a significant number of 1785 01:40:51.800 --> 01:40:54.760 Kuwaiti civilians fleeing the capitol. However, it later came to 1786 01:40:54.840 --> 01:40:56.800 light that the large number of civilian vehicles on the 1787 01:40:56.880 --> 01:40:59.640 highway were in fact stolen by Iraqi soldiers as they 1788 01:40:59.680 --> 01:41:03.000 fled back to Iraq. General Schwarzkov, in his PBS interview, 1789 01:41:03.039 --> 01:41:05.600 is quoted as saying just about every vehicle that they 1790 01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:08.560 were fleeing in was a vehicle that they had stolen 1791 01:41:08.800 --> 01:41:12.279 from Kuwait. Time magazine indicates a wide variety of vehicles 1792 01:41:12.279 --> 01:41:15.039 who have later discovered amongst the wreckage, including milk vans, 1793 01:41:15.079 --> 01:41:18.479 fire trucks, limousines, and one bulldozer to go alongside the trucks, 1794 01:41:18.560 --> 01:41:21.520 armoured cars and tanks. The Atlantic lends credence to the 1795 01:41:21.560 --> 01:41:24.119 idea that the vehicles was stolen, as it reported that 1796 01:41:24.159 --> 01:41:28.359 many vehicles held fully loaded but rusting Kalashnikov variants in them. 1797 01:41:28.399 --> 01:41:30.880 It would also not make logical sense for Kuwaitis fleeing 1798 01:41:30.880 --> 01:41:33.439 the conflict to travel north towards Iraq instead of south 1799 01:41:33.439 --> 01:41:36.600 toward coalition partner Saudi Arabia. Now, it's important to note 1800 01:41:36.600 --> 01:41:39.479 that undoubtedly a number of civilians may have been killed 1801 01:41:39.479 --> 01:41:42.159 in the strike because the Iraqi army had taken hostages 1802 01:41:42.199 --> 01:41:45.359 in the final hours before their retreat. However, understanding what 1803 01:41:45.399 --> 01:41:54.039 their number is, it's very difficult to determine. Almost every 1804 01:41:54.039 --> 01:41:56.800 single vehicle on Highway eighty that day was destroyed and 1805 01:41:56.880 --> 01:41:59.199 left as a smoldering husk in the middle of the desert. 1806 01:41:59.520 --> 01:42:02.039 Estimation for the total number of vehicles destroyed range from 1807 01:42:02.079 --> 01:42:03.760 just over one thousand all the way up to twenty 1808 01:42:03.800 --> 01:42:07.199 seven hundred. So many vehicles were destroyed that troops in 1809 01:42:07.319 --> 01:42:10.439 country referred to the events as a Turkey shoot. But 1810 01:42:10.520 --> 01:42:13.119 it is the number of deaths that is the most 1811 01:42:13.159 --> 01:42:14.720 contentious thing about all of this. 1812 01:42:14.960 --> 01:42:16.000 The true number of. 1813 01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:18.600 Those killed that day is difficult to determine, whether reports 1814 01:42:18.680 --> 01:42:21.760 ranging from a few hundred to tens of thousands. The 1815 01:42:21.840 --> 01:42:24.760 BBC falls in the middle, placing the number of Iraqi 1816 01:42:24.800 --> 01:42:27.279 soldiers killed in the low thousands. The sheer level of 1817 01:42:27.319 --> 01:42:30.239 destruction on Highway eighty and the ensuing photos that would 1818 01:42:30.239 --> 01:42:32.680 emerge would indicate a high number of casualties. 1819 01:42:33.000 --> 01:42:37.760 However, Okay, so in and of itself, bro, you want 1820 01:42:37.760 --> 01:42:40.760 to talk about these high numbers of casualties, We're talking 1821 01:42:40.960 --> 01:42:45.159 thousands in a matter of a couple of hours. Again, 1822 01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:48.239 we talk about these high casualty rates in the Rush 1823 01:42:48.439 --> 01:42:51.439 Ukraine situation, two thousand a day on one side, and 1824 01:42:51.479 --> 01:42:54.840 all of this America loss a little over twenty thousand 1825 01:42:54.960 --> 01:42:59.439 in twenty two years of combat. So I will say, 1826 01:42:59.479 --> 01:43:02.199 as far as American military might is concerned, at least 1827 01:43:02.239 --> 01:43:06.399 we care ever so slightly about our military members. And 1828 01:43:06.439 --> 01:43:09.319 then you see that again talking about this desert storm, 1829 01:43:09.399 --> 01:43:12.439 all this, this highway of death. This was so controversial 1830 01:43:12.439 --> 01:43:15.000 because they were like, was that a did they exceed 1831 01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:17.199 the amount of force needed? And this and this. These 1832 01:43:17.239 --> 01:43:19.920 people got brought in for trial because they lit up 1833 01:43:19.960 --> 01:43:23.800 this group of fighters with weapons and equipment that were 1834 01:43:23.800 --> 01:43:26.760 going back in Iraq and they bomb the fuck out 1835 01:43:26.760 --> 01:43:29.159 of that strip of highways so heavily that babies are 1836 01:43:29.199 --> 01:43:30.760 still born to form because of it. 1837 01:43:30.840 --> 01:43:35.319 Dude, Oh my god, dude, this shit is nuts, you know, 1838 01:43:35.399 --> 01:43:36.800 I was just thinking. I was just saying on the 1839 01:43:36.840 --> 01:43:38.800 Live show last night about how I had a dream 1840 01:43:38.840 --> 01:43:40.119 that I was a terrorist and I was on a 1841 01:43:40.199 --> 01:43:42.239 road that was barricaded. Isn't it weird that we're talking 1842 01:43:42.279 --> 01:43:42.680 about this. 1843 01:43:42.640 --> 01:43:45.399 Today, Jesus Christ, dude, why would you have a dream 1844 01:43:45.399 --> 01:43:47.359 where you're a terrorist and you call me a nark. 1845 01:43:48.279 --> 01:43:50.199 I'm just saying, I don't know if I was a 1846 01:43:50.319 --> 01:43:52.479 terrorist or if I was you know, some kind of 1847 01:43:52.640 --> 01:43:53.399 evil plot. 1848 01:43:53.520 --> 01:43:56.000 Sure, you called yourself a freedom fighter, I'm sure of it. 1849 01:43:56.680 --> 01:43:58.960 I don't probably, Yeah, I'm sure that I was doing 1850 01:43:59.000 --> 01:44:01.159 something against the law. But either way, it's like weird that, 1851 01:44:01.399 --> 01:44:03.560 you know, that's happening that I'm seeing a picture of 1852 01:44:03.560 --> 01:44:04.760 that today. That's strange. 1853 01:44:05.439 --> 01:44:07.920 God damn Dad. I mean, but look now we're talking 1854 01:44:07.920 --> 01:44:10.319 about the golf war syndrome, the cover up of it. 1855 01:44:10.680 --> 01:44:14.439 This is an article from CounterPunch, The under Toxic Fire. 1856 01:44:14.520 --> 01:44:16.640 This is from twenty fifteen. As a matter of fact, 1857 01:44:16.920 --> 01:44:21.560 how the Clintons helped cover up golf war syndrome. Jonathan. 1858 01:44:21.880 --> 01:44:23.960 The Clintons are making their way. 1859 01:44:23.800 --> 01:44:28.279 In because, of course, of course, there would be no 1860 01:44:28.399 --> 01:44:32.079 stone left unturned. President Bill Clinton assured Americans on Veterans 1861 01:44:32.159 --> 01:44:35.680 Days six days after his re election in November of 1862 01:44:35.720 --> 01:44:38.199 nineteen ninety six, in efforts to get to the bottom 1863 01:44:38.199 --> 01:44:42.319 of the array of illnesses. Colloquially, you don't see that 1864 01:44:42.359 --> 01:44:43.640 word spelled out very often. 1865 01:44:43.680 --> 01:44:46.000 Colloquially not very often, but you nailed it. 1866 01:44:46.880 --> 01:44:50.039 Known as golf War syndrome. With his next breath, Clinton 1867 01:44:50.199 --> 01:44:53.680 heaped praise on the Presidential Advisory Committee on Golf War Illnesses, 1868 01:44:54.399 --> 01:44:58.119 whose prime finding, leaked three days earlier, had been that 1869 01:44:58.159 --> 01:45:01.159 there is no golf War syndrome and any adverse symptoms 1870 01:45:01.159 --> 01:45:04.720 associated with the name could be attributed to psychological stress 1871 01:45:04.800 --> 01:45:08.199 experienced by the vets. Are you just going through psychological stress? 1872 01:45:08.239 --> 01:45:08.920 Ain't no big deal? 1873 01:45:08.960 --> 01:45:10.199 Of course, of course right. 1874 01:45:10.600 --> 01:45:14.600 George H. W. Bush's determination to punish Iraq led to 1875 01:45:14.640 --> 01:45:17.560 the golf War illnesses, but Clinton was responsible for the 1876 01:45:17.560 --> 01:45:21.439 cover up of how those illnesses developed. Shortly after Veterans' Day, 1877 01:45:21.640 --> 01:45:24.239 Hillary Clinton told an audience at the University of Nevada, 1878 01:45:24.279 --> 01:45:27.239 Las Vegas that one of her priorities in the second 1879 01:45:27.279 --> 01:45:29.520 term would be to work on issues related to these 1880 01:45:29.560 --> 01:45:32.920 golf War illnesses. Indeed, it was Hillary who pushed in 1881 01:45:33.000 --> 01:45:35.119 the spring of nineteen ninety five for the creation of 1882 01:45:35.159 --> 01:45:39.880 this same presidential panel that eventually laid the blame on stress, 1883 01:45:40.239 --> 01:45:44.000 the relief of which became the First Lady's Therapeutic Project. 1884 01:45:44.319 --> 01:45:47.640 Though as the year's unscrolled, less and less was heard 1885 01:45:47.640 --> 01:45:53.279 from her on this thorny eruption of mass psychosomatic illnesses. 1886 01:45:54.479 --> 01:45:58.520 I'm sorry, let's just let's pump the brakes real quick. 1887 01:45:58.520 --> 01:45:59.279 They're big shoots. 1888 01:45:59.319 --> 01:46:00.000 It's just in your head. 1889 01:46:00.439 --> 01:46:05.960 The creation of the same presidential panel that eventually laid 1890 01:46:05.960 --> 01:46:08.479 the blame on stress, the relief of which became the 1891 01:46:08.479 --> 01:46:14.960 First Lady's Therapeutic Project. Hillary Clinton spearheaded the First Lady's 1892 01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:16.159 Therapeutic Project. 1893 01:46:17.239 --> 01:46:18.720 What does it even matter? 1894 01:46:19.880 --> 01:46:23.720 I'm sorry, with the fuck, dude, the nineties were just 1895 01:46:23.800 --> 01:46:26.760 a lawless wastelam from what I can tell, we were 1896 01:46:26.760 --> 01:46:27.880 just too young to realize it. 1897 01:46:28.520 --> 01:46:31.840 Yeah, yeah, it's that's nuts that you'd put fucking Hillary 1898 01:46:31.880 --> 01:46:35.279 in charge of that, and for her to come to 1899 01:46:35.560 --> 01:46:38.239 for her to come to the conclusion that it's just 1900 01:46:38.279 --> 01:46:41.199 a psychological thing that you're going through. You know, it's 1901 01:46:41.239 --> 01:46:44.000 not actually chemically related. It has nothing to do with 1902 01:46:44.079 --> 01:46:47.680 any of the chemicals that you were ingesting on a 1903 01:46:47.720 --> 01:46:50.520 fucking daily basis when we were out there, you know, 1904 01:46:50.720 --> 01:46:55.800 just atomizing the fucking land out there, Like, because Hillary 1905 01:46:55.880 --> 01:46:57.640 is an expert on this kind of shit, so let's 1906 01:46:57.640 --> 01:46:58.560 put her in charge. 1907 01:46:59.039 --> 01:47:00.560 Well, I mean, we know that she doesn't give a 1908 01:47:00.560 --> 01:47:04.319 fuck about active duty military personnel. Otherwise she would have 1909 01:47:04.359 --> 01:47:07.000 saved the guys in Benghazi, So it would only make 1910 01:47:07.039 --> 01:47:09.039 sense to me that she really doesn't give a fuck 1911 01:47:09.079 --> 01:47:12.000 about veterans that are dealing with shit. But you know, 1912 01:47:12.199 --> 01:47:14.319 I just this article I felt like was something that 1913 01:47:14.319 --> 01:47:16.319 we should read as we're talking about it. 1914 01:47:16.359 --> 01:47:18.560 You know, it kind of checks out, Like, think about 1915 01:47:18.600 --> 01:47:21.640 the person who put her in charge of this. That 1916 01:47:21.880 --> 01:47:24.840 rate there is enough to say that they don't give 1917 01:47:24.840 --> 01:47:26.760 a fuck that you would put somebody like Hillary in 1918 01:47:26.880 --> 01:47:30.520 charge of this. George, of course, probably was a fucking 1919 01:47:30.560 --> 01:47:31.520 Soros motherfucker. 1920 01:47:32.000 --> 01:47:32.680 Oh yeah. 1921 01:47:32.720 --> 01:47:35.920 The report on the Presidential Commission could hardly be called scientific, 1922 01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:39.840 since the results of one hundred of a hundred epidemiological 1923 01:47:40.560 --> 01:47:44.399 damn I crushed that one studies which the panel commissioned 1924 01:47:44.560 --> 01:47:47.439 have not yet been processed. In other words, the only 1925 01:47:47.439 --> 01:47:50.439 stones not left unturned by Clinton were those used to 1926 01:47:50.520 --> 01:47:53.520 conceal what happened in ninety one. Another finding of the 1927 01:47:53.560 --> 01:47:57.359 Presidential Commission proved highly pertinent. The nine panel or the 1928 01:47:57.479 --> 01:48:02.119 nine person panel said emphatically that the Pentagon cannot be 1929 01:48:02.199 --> 01:48:06.880 trusted to investigate itself. No shit, no shit, ruh. The 1930 01:48:06.920 --> 01:48:10.239 panel called for an independent probe of whether Allied forces 1931 01:48:10.279 --> 01:48:12.039 in the Gulf in ninety one had been exposed to 1932 01:48:12.119 --> 01:48:17.640 chemical and biological weapons. Previous Pentagon investigations, they wrote in quotes, 1933 01:48:17.920 --> 01:48:22.760 have lacked vigor, fallen short on investigative grounds, and stretched 1934 01:48:22.840 --> 01:48:28.159 credibility end quote. Clinton gave this recommendation short shrift, saying 1935 01:48:28.279 --> 01:48:34.039 that he believed Defense Secretary Bill Perry end quotes has 1936 01:48:34.079 --> 01:48:38.920 moved in an expeditious fashion. Clinton endorsed the Pentagon's position 1937 01:48:39.039 --> 01:48:41.920 that it alone had the technical expertise to exhume the 1938 01:48:41.960 --> 01:48:43.039 truth in this affair. 1939 01:48:43.800 --> 01:48:48.680 From the sure what was that word he used? He 1940 01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:54.239 has moved in an expedious, expeditious fashion. I'm sure he's 1941 01:48:54.279 --> 01:48:56.119 moved in an expeditious fashion. 1942 01:48:56.359 --> 01:48:58.439 He's moving with the swiftness. 1943 01:48:59.520 --> 01:49:03.279 Where's expeditiously? You know what I mean? 1944 01:49:04.800 --> 01:49:07.279 From the very first moment, back in nineteen ninety one, 1945 01:49:07.279 --> 01:49:10.800 when the possibility of chemical and biological weapon deployment was raised, 1946 01:49:11.000 --> 01:49:14.359 the Pentagon denied that such weapons were ever used, that 1947 01:49:14.479 --> 01:49:18.560 troops wherever exposed that there are illnesses associated with Iraqi's 1948 01:49:18.600 --> 01:49:25.000 chemical biological arsenal of weaponry. In marked contrast, Czech CBW 1949 01:49:25.159 --> 01:49:30.039 or chemical biological weapon deployment experts who were part of 1950 01:49:30.039 --> 01:49:35.359 the Allied forces notified General H. Norman Schwartzklov's headquarters on 1951 01:49:35.439 --> 01:49:39.079 January nineteen, nineteen ninety one, two days after the initial 1952 01:49:39.119 --> 01:49:43.399 bombing of Baghdad, that they had detected two chemical events 1953 01:49:43.560 --> 01:49:48.760 near Jubilee. Schwarzklov's office promptly issued in order to all 1954 01:49:48.920 --> 01:49:52.399 US commanders to disregard any reports coming from the Czechs. 1955 01:49:53.680 --> 01:49:54.199 Wow. 1956 01:49:55.159 --> 01:49:58.840 Wow, so were those those two reports that we brought 1957 01:49:58.920 --> 01:50:00.560 up earlier where it was like, oh, it was just 1958 01:50:00.600 --> 01:50:05.800 a one square yard right of mustard gas, no big deal. 1959 01:50:05.920 --> 01:50:10.520 That happens all over the world, naturally without any reason. 1960 01:50:11.239 --> 01:50:14.720 Clearly, on November tenth of nineteen ninety three, the Pentagon 1961 01:50:14.760 --> 01:50:17.520 admitted in a congressional hearing that it believed the check 1962 01:50:17.600 --> 01:50:18.720 report to be valid. 1963 01:50:19.159 --> 01:50:24.279 So now they're lying, So first they disregard all of it. Now, well, 1964 01:50:24.439 --> 01:50:29.439 actually they're true, but they're lying though, But yep. 1965 01:50:29.760 --> 01:50:30.960 But they're true. 1966 01:50:31.000 --> 01:50:32.680 But they're yeah. 1967 01:50:32.720 --> 01:50:35.640 When asked why the Army had not investigated the events 1968 01:50:35.680 --> 01:50:38.319 reported by the Czechs as a possible source of the syndrome, 1969 01:50:38.680 --> 01:50:42.720 Major General Ronald Blank, commander of the Walter Reed Army 1970 01:50:42.760 --> 01:50:45.760 Medical Center, said that they did not explore this because 1971 01:50:45.840 --> 01:50:49.039 it was the position of military intelligence that such exposure 1972 01:50:49.199 --> 01:50:53.239 never occurred. But the US Army had gone or had 1973 01:50:53.279 --> 01:50:56.720 more than the checks to contend with. US chemical alarm 1974 01:50:56.800 --> 01:50:59.479 systems had gone off nine times during the war, most 1975 01:50:59.520 --> 01:51:04.000 significant on January twenty eighth, when Major Stephen B. Leisen 1976 01:51:04.119 --> 01:51:07.119 Ring reported a low level chemical cloud that set off 1977 01:51:07.159 --> 01:51:12.520 twelve twelve alarms in a conventional downwind pattern. His superiors 1978 01:51:12.560 --> 01:51:17.159 dismissed this observation as a false positive. The final fallback 1979 01:51:17.199 --> 01:51:21.720 position was enunciated by the late Less Aspen, Clinton's first 1980 01:51:22.159 --> 01:51:25.800 Defense Secretary, in November of nineteen ninety three. Aspen declared 1981 01:51:25.840 --> 01:51:29.159 that the detection of chemical and biological agents and the 1982 01:51:29.199 --> 01:51:32.960 golf end quotes is totally unrelated to the mysterious health 1983 01:51:33.000 --> 01:51:35.479 problems that have victimized some of our veterans. 1984 01:51:35.920 --> 01:51:39.279 Okay, so real quick. Being somebody who's worked in a 1985 01:51:39.359 --> 01:51:43.119 chemical plant and knows what a false positive is, Yeah, 1986 01:51:43.159 --> 01:51:47.239 you'll have a one air monitor that will go off 1987 01:51:47.279 --> 01:51:50.079 when it actually didn't detect anything. Maybe the batteries are 1988 01:51:50.079 --> 01:51:53.319 going low, maybe it needs to be calibrated. Sure, these happens. 1989 01:51:53.399 --> 01:51:57.760 Is an imperfect world. Yo, Twelve alarms going off in 1990 01:51:57.840 --> 01:52:01.319 a down win fashion declared to be a false That 1991 01:52:01.399 --> 01:52:04.920 is bullshit. That is not a false positive. That is 1992 01:52:04.960 --> 01:52:08.239 a chemical release by it. That's all that is. 1993 01:52:08.680 --> 01:52:12.960 Jacob. If your girl takes a fucking pregnancy test and 1994 01:52:13.159 --> 01:52:16.560 it shows positive twelve times, are you gonna call that 1995 01:52:16.760 --> 01:52:17.800 false positives? 1996 01:52:18.399 --> 01:52:20.880 No? I sure wouldn't. Sure would not. 1997 01:52:21.600 --> 01:52:23.399 I mean, you can deny it all you want, but 1998 01:52:23.479 --> 01:52:25.239 this is just the fact of the matter, is that, 1999 01:52:25.359 --> 01:52:28.760 like math isn't on your side at that point, and 2000 01:52:28.760 --> 01:52:29.600 statistic how that. 2001 01:52:29.600 --> 01:52:32.159 They're trying to launch through the investigation. It doesn't matter 2002 01:52:32.159 --> 01:52:34.039 because the reports at the time said, oh, it was 2003 01:52:34.079 --> 01:52:35.920 no big deal, there's nothing else on the matter. 2004 01:52:37.119 --> 01:52:40.159 Aspen's posture remained that of the Pentagon until June of 2005 01:52:40.279 --> 01:52:43.880 nineteen ninety six, when a CIA analyst, Larry Fox discovered 2006 01:52:43.880 --> 01:52:45.840 that the US Army had destroyed as many as a 2007 01:52:45.920 --> 01:52:49.319 thousand Iraqi missiles loaded with the nerve gas seren and 2008 01:52:49.479 --> 01:52:53.640 with mustard gas at Commissiyah. The Army admitted this, but 2009 01:52:53.880 --> 01:52:56.840 claimed that only four hundred engineers might have been exposed. 2010 01:52:57.159 --> 01:53:00.239 That estimate soon climbed to twenty thousand. 2011 01:53:00.840 --> 01:53:04.600 Okay, so paus. First there was no chemical agents. Then 2012 01:53:04.640 --> 01:53:08.359 they're saying that there was absolutely one thousand. Then they're saying, okay, fine, 2013 01:53:08.399 --> 01:53:11.079 they were real, but only four hundred were exposed. Now 2014 01:53:11.119 --> 01:53:15.399 we're saying it possibly twenty thousand. Bro in one paragraph. 2015 01:53:15.439 --> 01:53:20.239 The story arc has shifted so so eloquently high it's insane. 2016 01:53:20.680 --> 01:53:23.880 But even the twenty thousand figure is relatively modest in 2017 01:53:23.880 --> 01:53:26.880 comparison with the CIA estimates that as many as one 2018 01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:30.199 hundred thousand troops may have been exposed to saren after 2019 01:53:30.239 --> 01:53:33.960 Allied bombing missions destroyed Iraqi weapons plants west of Baghdad. 2020 01:53:34.159 --> 01:53:38.399 The CIA reckoned that as many as twenty metric tons 2021 01:53:38.439 --> 01:53:42.880 of sarin had been released into the air. Holy shit, 2022 01:53:43.039 --> 01:53:45.439 twenty metric tons of sarin. 2023 01:53:46.239 --> 01:53:48.920 The permissible limit on that is I think one part 2024 01:53:48.960 --> 01:53:53.479 per billion, which is one cubic inch and sixteen cubic miles. 2025 01:53:54.720 --> 01:53:58.960 Good god U. The CIA documents pinpointing this and other 2026 01:53:59.039 --> 01:54:01.920 chemical and biological exposures of US troops were placed on 2027 01:54:01.960 --> 01:54:05.239 the Internet on November third, nineteen ninety six, by two 2028 01:54:05.319 --> 01:54:09.159 analysts formally under contract to the CIA. That Internet site 2029 01:54:09.239 --> 01:54:13.920 was disabled two days later, presumably by agency hackers. 2030 01:54:14.560 --> 01:54:17.039 I mean, is that the craziest thing to assume at 2031 01:54:17.039 --> 01:54:18.439 this point. 2032 01:54:18.159 --> 01:54:22.880 Oh, that the three letter agencies have absolute control over 2033 01:54:22.880 --> 01:54:27.279 everything that's on the Internet. Sure, we've seen it for sure. 2034 01:54:27.880 --> 01:54:30.359 Aside from the matter of the cover ups during, during, 2035 01:54:30.439 --> 01:54:32.960 and after the Gulf War, there's no doubt whatsoever that 2036 01:54:33.000 --> 01:54:35.680 the Pentagon was well aware in advance of the Allied 2037 01:54:35.680 --> 01:54:38.319 mission to the Golf that there was a distinct possibility 2038 01:54:38.479 --> 01:54:41.720 that the Iraqis would use chemical and biological weapons. One 2039 01:54:41.760 --> 01:54:45.720 reason for their foresight was that the Iraqis had used 2040 01:54:45.800 --> 01:54:50.439 nerve gas against the Kurds and had used biological agents 2041 01:54:50.720 --> 01:54:56.840 against Majnun. They say that, sure, Majnun island. I'm sure 2042 01:54:56.840 --> 01:54:59.640 that's not how you say that. It's spelled weird. In 2043 01:54:59.680 --> 01:55:02.000 the war with Iran, the Pentagon. 2044 01:55:01.520 --> 01:55:03.680 That's what I said earlier, basically that they had used 2045 01:55:03.720 --> 01:55:05.720 it against the Kurds and they had used it against 2046 01:55:05.720 --> 01:55:09.039 the Iranians earlier. Again, we had given it to them. 2047 01:55:09.079 --> 01:55:12.520 But let's continue the Pentagon was also aware that vital 2048 01:55:12.640 --> 01:55:15.760 ingredients for these weapons had been supplied by US corporations 2049 01:55:15.760 --> 01:55:18.520 in a secret export drive supported by both the United 2050 01:55:18.520 --> 01:55:23.880 States and British governments. Chiefly involved here were lewisite and 2051 01:55:24.359 --> 01:55:28.800 ammonia like vesicant used in chemical weapons, and ingredients for 2052 01:55:28.920 --> 01:55:34.359 SAREN and for another nerve weapon called Soman, as well 2053 01:55:34.560 --> 01:55:39.640 as for yet another nerve weapon called VX. So far 2054 01:55:39.960 --> 01:55:46.239 as biological weapons were concerned, they were approved. There were 2055 01:55:46.359 --> 01:55:53.960 approved US sales two IRAQ of anthrax botulism histoplasm capsulatum, 2056 01:55:54.119 --> 01:55:59.199 which is a tuberculosis type disease. Oh my god, dude. 2057 01:55:59.439 --> 01:56:03.439 Why because they were using it against people that we 2058 01:56:03.479 --> 01:56:06.560 didn't like, and we couldn't give them nukes. We can't 2059 01:56:06.600 --> 01:56:10.159 give somebody in that area of the world nuclear capabilities, 2060 01:56:10.359 --> 01:56:14.319 but I mean we could give them something that's equally 2061 01:56:14.319 --> 01:56:14.880 fucked up. 2062 01:56:15.239 --> 01:56:17.560 Dude, But a fucking bullet through my head before you 2063 01:56:17.640 --> 01:56:20.880 give me fucking tuberculosis Like that is. 2064 01:56:21.359 --> 01:56:23.960 Showing there's more to the list, keep it going. 2065 01:56:24.039 --> 01:56:30.720 As well as Brucella millinulitenois or militensis, which is a 2066 01:56:30.760 --> 01:56:36.800 bacteria that causes chronic fatigue. Claus Dortium perfingens, which is 2067 01:56:36.800 --> 01:56:42.800 a bacterium causing gas ganggreen, plus numerous shipments of E. Coli. 2068 01:56:44.119 --> 01:56:47.760 So we were already giving Iraq really really nasty shit 2069 01:56:47.960 --> 01:56:51.359 that we make in labs, right, and we didn't know 2070 01:56:51.439 --> 01:56:53.640 exactly what they were gonna be doing with it, but 2071 01:56:53.680 --> 01:56:56.439 we knew that they had it on standby. So when 2072 01:56:56.520 --> 01:56:58.880 we went to war with Iraq, we knew the type 2073 01:56:58.880 --> 01:57:01.359 of nasty shit they had their arsenal. So we had 2074 01:57:01.399 --> 01:57:04.039 to go in and destroy that arsenal before he had 2075 01:57:04.079 --> 01:57:04.920 a chance to use it. 2076 01:57:05.600 --> 01:57:11.039 Look, you don't give a baby gasoline and matches and 2077 01:57:11.079 --> 01:57:14.279 not expect your house to go up in fucking flames. 2078 01:57:15.560 --> 01:57:17.680 That's kind of the thought. But if you give that 2079 01:57:17.760 --> 01:57:21.640 baby gasoline and matches and send it into your enemy's house, then, like, 2080 01:57:21.880 --> 01:57:25.439 you know, whatever happens happens. Now, if that child survives 2081 01:57:25.479 --> 01:57:28.199 that and then comes back home with the gas and 2082 01:57:28.239 --> 01:57:30.079 the matches, now we have a problem. Now we have 2083 01:57:30.119 --> 01:57:33.199 a problem, and we have a boogeyman in some place 2084 01:57:33.239 --> 01:57:36.439 that needs a little freedom in democracy nah one. 2085 01:57:36.520 --> 01:57:39.199 Hundreds of such approved shipments in the mid to late 2086 01:57:39.279 --> 01:57:42.159 nineteen eighties were recorded by the Department of Commerce. One 2087 01:57:42.159 --> 01:57:44.359 of the most bizarre features of some of the Golf 2088 01:57:44.399 --> 01:57:47.640 War illnesses is that they appear to be transmittable through 2089 01:57:47.720 --> 01:57:52.159 sexual contact. More than twenty thousand spouses and partners of 2090 01:57:52.199 --> 01:57:56.319 Gulf War vets have reported experiences of such symptoms as 2091 01:57:56.399 --> 01:58:01.199 chronic fatigue, menstrual irregularities, rashes, join in, muscle pain, and 2092 01:58:01.279 --> 01:58:06.119 memory loss. Transmission by biological agents could help explain such reports. 2093 01:58:07.439 --> 01:58:11.119 So not only is goal for syndrome affecting the veterans, 2094 01:58:11.239 --> 01:58:13.399 it could be transmitted sexually. 2095 01:58:13.479 --> 01:58:15.840 Dude, which is what they talked about with the COVID 2096 01:58:15.920 --> 01:58:18.479 vaccines about what was it the shedding? 2097 01:58:18.880 --> 01:58:24.439 Right, Yeah, that's it. That's talking about rewriting your genetic code. 2098 01:58:25.000 --> 01:58:27.720 As early as August nineteen ninety, the Defense Department was 2099 01:58:27.720 --> 01:58:31.880 preparing to inoculate US troops and support personnel with vaccines 2100 01:58:31.920 --> 01:58:35.720 designed to counteract nerve gases botulism and anthrax, but there 2101 01:58:35.760 --> 01:58:39.840 was no known antidote against saren tobin and VX nerve agents. 2102 01:58:40.119 --> 01:58:47.119 Anecdotal evidence had suggested to Defense Department scientists that pyrodystigmine bromide, 2103 01:58:47.239 --> 01:58:52.239 or just PB, might be effective against soman. PB had 2104 01:58:52.239 --> 01:58:54.600 been approved by the Food and Drug Administration only for 2105 01:58:54.680 --> 01:59:01.720 treatment of people suffering from maasthenia gravis, a fatal deterioration 2106 01:59:01.840 --> 01:59:04.800 of the muscles. The drug had never been widely tested 2107 01:59:04.840 --> 01:59:06.279 on healthy humans. 2108 01:59:06.720 --> 01:59:10.000 Okay, so they were going up that peb drug that 2109 01:59:10.039 --> 01:59:12.800 they were giving everybody, that that famous little packet that 2110 01:59:12.800 --> 01:59:14.880 they were just popping out like candy and taking it 2111 01:59:14.960 --> 01:59:18.079 like whatever. They didn't even know then it would work 2112 01:59:18.359 --> 01:59:19.960 for what they said it would work. 2113 01:59:19.800 --> 01:59:21.560 For well, And they said that they were given. 2114 01:59:21.359 --> 01:59:23.279 A study that said that it might help. 2115 01:59:23.920 --> 01:59:25.319 Oh and they said that they were giving it to 2116 01:59:25.359 --> 01:59:28.279 their people thirty times a month or basically once a day. 2117 01:59:28.960 --> 01:59:31.319 Oh no, the reports I saw said three times a 2118 01:59:31.399 --> 01:59:32.239 day in some cases. 2119 01:59:32.279 --> 01:59:32.760 Oh god. 2120 01:59:32.880 --> 01:59:36.039 And again they didn't know any better, but they were told. 2121 01:59:36.079 --> 01:59:38.720 The military members on the ground were told basically, look, 2122 01:59:38.960 --> 01:59:41.800 we already know sed Alam's using some really bad nerve gas. Shit. 2123 01:59:42.039 --> 01:59:44.119 If you don't want your kids to grow up retarded 2124 01:59:44.319 --> 01:59:46.760 with a third arm, take your fucking peeb pills and 2125 01:59:46.800 --> 01:59:47.279 shut up. 2126 01:59:47.840 --> 01:59:48.840 Oh my god. 2127 01:59:49.159 --> 01:59:50.800 Yeah, and they don't know any different. 2128 01:59:51.039 --> 01:59:53.000 And if you didn't take it, remember you had to 2129 01:59:53.039 --> 01:59:55.279 be on like toilet duty and stuff like that. 2130 01:59:55.399 --> 01:59:56.920 Yeah, I know, they'll make your life hell. If you're 2131 01:59:56.920 --> 01:59:58.840 going against the grain. Dude, Do you know any things 2132 01:59:58.880 --> 02:00:00.079 I had to do to get out of taking a 2133 02:00:00.119 --> 02:00:01.039 flu shot every year? 2134 02:00:02.600 --> 02:00:03.079 Really? 2135 02:00:03.720 --> 02:00:05.319 Oh? Yeah, I was bad. 2136 02:00:05.399 --> 02:00:07.079 What did they call it? Litrine duties? 2137 02:00:07.760 --> 02:00:10.119 Well, I mean, yeah, I mean cleaning the shitters. But 2138 02:00:10.159 --> 02:00:12.479 I didn't have to do that. They make you burn shit, 2139 02:00:12.840 --> 02:00:15.079 which is another part of this as a matter of fact. 2140 02:00:15.119 --> 02:00:17.760 But no, now, it wasn't even that. It was just 2141 02:00:18.399 --> 02:00:20.760 the political bullshit of it. And it's like, yeah, I 2142 02:00:20.760 --> 02:00:23.800 could stand here and take my stand, it's not gonna matter. 2143 02:00:24.159 --> 02:00:26.399 I'm still a member of the government. They could still 2144 02:00:26.479 --> 02:00:28.000 order me to do whatever the hell they want, or 2145 02:00:28.000 --> 02:00:30.159 give me jail time if I stand hard enough. And 2146 02:00:30.199 --> 02:00:32.680 it's like, at that point, I signed on the dotted 2147 02:00:32.720 --> 02:00:36.159 line to play this game, you know. But neither here 2148 02:00:36.199 --> 02:00:37.680 nor there. Let's keep going. 2149 02:00:38.439 --> 02:00:41.279 The Defense Department was worn by its own scientists that 2150 02:00:41.359 --> 02:00:44.760 PB should never be used when people might be exposed 2151 02:00:44.800 --> 02:00:48.279 to SAREN, since it would merely magnify the latter's potency. 2152 02:00:48.600 --> 02:00:51.640 The use of PB under any circumstances would also produce 2153 02:00:51.680 --> 02:00:54.680 severe side effects. There were thirty five experiments with the 2154 02:00:54.760 --> 02:00:58.279 drug with US Service people before the Gulf Wour. Observed 2155 02:00:58.279 --> 02:01:04.199 side effects included nauseating, slowed heart rate, diarrhea in, increased salivation, 2156 02:01:04.680 --> 02:01:09.840 increased bronchial secretions, and pupil constrictions. In one of the 2157 02:01:09.880 --> 02:01:13.119 first tests of the drug on a US Air Force pilot, 2158 02:01:13.359 --> 02:01:19.279 the man suffered cardiac arrest. Almost immediately after that incident, 2159 02:01:19.399 --> 02:01:21.800 Army researchers said in August of nineteen ninety that PB 2160 02:01:21.920 --> 02:01:28.319 should not be used by individuals with asthma, peptics, peptic ulcers, liver, kidney, 2161 02:01:28.479 --> 02:01:32.880 heart disease, or hypersensitivity to PB and related drugs. Another 2162 02:01:32.960 --> 02:01:35.760 memo prepared by Defense Department medical researchers in the same 2163 02:01:35.800 --> 02:01:39.359 month said that because of side effects associated with PB, 2164 02:01:39.840 --> 02:01:44.840 all subjects will be admitted to Leicester Army Hospital as 2165 02:01:44.880 --> 02:01:48.439 in patients, so that they will be medically monitored during 2166 02:01:48.479 --> 02:01:51.079 periods of testing. A drug will be available at the 2167 02:01:51.119 --> 02:01:56.840 test site to counteract the possible side effects. It said, Wow, 2168 02:01:57.039 --> 02:02:01.720 I don't know about you, but if I take some 2169 02:02:01.800 --> 02:02:06.840 kind of medicine and I go into severe cardiac arrest, 2170 02:02:07.399 --> 02:02:10.399 just me, I'm just gonna scrap the experiment. 2171 02:02:10.920 --> 02:02:13.039 I'm calling it run, you know, just call it out. 2172 02:02:13.199 --> 02:02:15.960 We're done. We're done with that experiment, fun trial. We're 2173 02:02:16.000 --> 02:02:19.439 just gonna call it good. Thankfully he didn't die, but 2174 02:02:19.520 --> 02:02:22.960 he's like, don't take it with individuals that have asthma, 2175 02:02:23.039 --> 02:02:26.840 peptic ulcers, liver kidney or heart disease, or hypersensitivity to 2176 02:02:26.880 --> 02:02:28.920 those types of drugs. No one's gonna know if they 2177 02:02:28.920 --> 02:02:31.039 have hypersensitivity to those types of drugs. No one in 2178 02:02:31.079 --> 02:02:34.840 the military has asthma or peptic ulcers. So like, you 2179 02:02:34.880 --> 02:02:38.840 had a pretty good, uh, breeding ground of potential patients 2180 02:02:38.880 --> 02:02:42.800 on this one, but they said, don't take it. It's dangerous. Meanwhile, 2181 02:02:42.960 --> 02:02:45.560 the US government take this if you want to live, 2182 02:02:45.680 --> 02:02:46.279 all right. 2183 02:02:46.199 --> 02:02:51.239 Dope sick bro. On top of that, the Defense Department 2184 02:02:51.279 --> 02:02:54.199 had warned or had been warned by James Moss, a 2185 02:02:54.279 --> 02:02:57.319 researcher working for the Department of Agriculture, that when PB 2186 02:02:57.520 --> 02:03:03.399 is used in combination with organo phosphates, the the toxicity 2187 02:03:03.479 --> 02:03:08.560 of both chemicals significantly increases. Moss's research research focused on 2188 02:03:09.359 --> 02:03:14.199 I don't know that word die thigh toulomulchide. I'm sure 2189 02:03:14.319 --> 02:03:16.920 I fucked that one up, but anyway, let's call it 2190 02:03:16.960 --> 02:03:21.399 the big D A chemical familiar to many American campers, 2191 02:03:21.640 --> 02:03:24.720 particularly on the outer Banks and in the Upper Midwest, 2192 02:03:24.800 --> 02:03:30.359 as Deep oh deet okay, the active ingredient in anti 2193 02:03:30.399 --> 02:03:35.399 mosquitos sprays. It's in the cockroach and ant spray raid two. 2194 02:03:35.960 --> 02:03:38.800 Moss found that when deet is used in combination with PEB, 2195 02:03:39.000 --> 02:03:42.720 the former becomes seven times as toxic as as as 2196 02:03:42.760 --> 02:03:45.439 it is when it is used by itself, Pb becomes 2197 02:03:45.880 --> 02:03:49.840 pb becomes four times as tox toxic. Moss also found 2198 02:03:49.840 --> 02:03:53.359 when it's used in combination with Deep. Deep and its 2199 02:03:53.399 --> 02:03:56.159 chemical relatives were widely used in the Gulf War by 2200 02:03:56.199 --> 02:03:59.960 Allied forces against sand flies, mosquitos, and scorpions. The chemical 2201 02:04:00.159 --> 02:04:02.239 were rubbed onto the skin, sprayed in the air, and 2202 02:04:02.319 --> 02:04:06.119 saturated on tents. Moreover, all, the uniforms issued to Gulf 2203 02:04:06.119 --> 02:04:12.199 War personnel were impregnated with per permethrin, a pesticide made 2204 02:04:12.199 --> 02:04:15.800 by Dow. Permethrin has been found to double the toxicity 2205 02:04:15.840 --> 02:04:18.880 of both Deep and pebe. The same trend was found 2206 02:04:18.920 --> 02:04:23.000 with other pesticides used in the war, including lindane, widely 2207 02:04:23.119 --> 02:04:24.560 used as a treatment for lice. 2208 02:04:25.920 --> 02:04:28.680 So we already know that the chemical agents they were 2209 02:04:28.680 --> 02:04:32.359 wearing just to stay safe were also slowly seeping in 2210 02:04:32.520 --> 02:04:34.000 toxins into their bodies too. 2211 02:04:34.880 --> 02:04:40.399 Yeah, usually, I mean especially in like using like really 2212 02:04:40.520 --> 02:04:43.479 fucking off the wall chemicals with compounds that should never 2213 02:04:43.479 --> 02:04:47.000 be put together, and you're making some like this shit 2214 02:04:47.359 --> 02:04:50.600 is so unnatural it's not even funny. But then like 2215 02:04:51.079 --> 02:04:53.840 it's like, you know, the medicine is more harmful than 2216 02:04:54.399 --> 02:04:55.640 if you were unprotected. 2217 02:04:56.479 --> 02:04:56.760 Yep. 2218 02:04:58.880 --> 02:05:01.640 The patent on date is co owned by the USDA 2219 02:05:01.840 --> 02:05:06.600 with the S. C. Johnson Company, which manufactures it under license. Indeed, 2220 02:05:06.600 --> 02:05:09.479 most of the pesticides now in use in US agriculture 2221 02:05:09.520 --> 02:05:13.560 were developed in the USCBW programs. At a nineteen ninety 2222 02:05:13.560 --> 02:05:17.239 four hearing before the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee, Moss testified 2223 02:05:17.279 --> 02:05:20.880 on the toxic combo of PETE and of DET and PB. 2224 02:05:21.399 --> 02:05:23.840 Soon thereafter, he sent a fax to S. C. Johnson 2225 02:05:23.880 --> 02:05:27.760 Company expressing his concern. Two days later, USDA officials called 2226 02:05:27.760 --> 02:05:29.880 in Moss and told him to quit his research and 2227 02:05:30.039 --> 02:05:34.319 keep quiet about his findings. How about that, Uh, if 2228 02:05:34.359 --> 02:05:37.119 I was to talk about my ideas about deep toxicity, 2229 02:05:37.399 --> 02:05:40.920 he said, I understood that I could have been I 2230 02:05:40.960 --> 02:05:44.239 could have I could have trouble finding a job and 2231 02:05:44.279 --> 02:05:48.079 could be blackballed. Son of a bitch. This is how 2232 02:05:48.079 --> 02:05:49.680 they get away with this stuff, dude. 2233 02:05:49.560 --> 02:05:50.359 Every time. 2234 02:05:50.399 --> 02:05:54.680 Brother, It's like the people, the fucking tobacco companies back 2235 02:05:54.680 --> 02:05:56.359 in the day, they were saying it was it was 2236 02:05:56.720 --> 02:06:00.199 perfectly okay for pregnant women to be smoking cigarettes, while well, 2237 02:06:00.800 --> 02:06:02.880 it's what doctors did you pay to say that? 2238 02:06:03.640 --> 02:06:07.039 Or how about the big sugar corporatocracy saying fat makes 2239 02:06:07.039 --> 02:06:09.079 you fat? And that was the narrative people ran with 2240 02:06:09.119 --> 02:06:11.800 for forever. Come to find out, No, it's sugar. It's 2241 02:06:11.800 --> 02:06:15.000 an overabundance of sugar that makes us fat. But fat 2242 02:06:15.079 --> 02:06:17.399 makes you fat was just the thing that ran for forever. 2243 02:06:17.560 --> 02:06:20.159 Meanwhile, fat is like, actually pretty fucking good for you. 2244 02:06:20.640 --> 02:06:23.239 It's amazing for you. It makes your brain function ten 2245 02:06:23.319 --> 02:06:27.279 times better, like your body needs it. But dude, I 2246 02:06:27.359 --> 02:06:30.159 tell you what, honest, it tastes the best, dude. 2247 02:06:30.359 --> 02:06:33.399 You need fat like. And so we've been watching have 2248 02:06:33.479 --> 02:06:35.920 you ever seen that show called Alone? It's on Netflix. 2249 02:06:36.000 --> 02:06:39.199 Mm yeah, I fucking love that show. But anyway, it's basically, like, 2250 02:06:39.399 --> 02:06:41.359 you know, it's kind of like a survivor kind of 2251 02:06:41.399 --> 02:06:45.000 situation where you go out into the cold tundras of 2252 02:06:45.079 --> 02:06:48.079 northern Canada and you're trying to basically see how long 2253 02:06:48.119 --> 02:06:51.079 you can outlast everybody else. That is, you know, in 2254 02:06:51.239 --> 02:06:54.600 this uh, in this competition or whatever. Dude, if you 2255 02:06:54.720 --> 02:06:57.520 shoot an animal that hardly has any fat, but yet 2256 02:06:57.560 --> 02:06:59.640 you have a lot of meat. You can't live off 2257 02:06:59.680 --> 02:07:01.800 of that. You need an animal with fat in order 2258 02:07:01.840 --> 02:07:02.439 to survive. 2259 02:07:03.239 --> 02:07:05.760 Yeah, that's why whenever you killed deer, they're a very 2260 02:07:05.840 --> 02:07:08.279 lean meat. So if you I mean, that's fine if 2261 02:07:08.279 --> 02:07:10.439 you're cutting it into like steaks and stuff like that, 2262 02:07:10.520 --> 02:07:12.560 but like it's very lean, so it's very tough. You 2263 02:07:12.600 --> 02:07:15.800 have to slow roasted down all this. But to get 2264 02:07:15.840 --> 02:07:17.840 the best cuts of meat from that, like you got 2265 02:07:17.920 --> 02:07:19.800 to cut it with pork and other fatty meats. 2266 02:07:19.840 --> 02:07:22.920 Dude, right right, well, it says. In an attempt to 2267 02:07:22.920 --> 02:07:25.680 create a paper trail and to protect himself as a whistleblower, 2268 02:07:25.760 --> 02:07:29.399 Moss detailed these attempts to censor his research and internal 2269 02:07:30.119 --> 02:07:34.359 memos to his superiors. That same summer, Moss's research contract 2270 02:07:34.359 --> 02:07:36.920 with the USDA expired. In his eight year term with 2271 02:07:37.000 --> 02:07:40.039 the department came to a summary end. The director of 2272 02:07:40.079 --> 02:07:43.239 Moss's laboratory at the USDA said Moss had not been 2273 02:07:43.279 --> 02:07:50.359 renewed because he had engaged in unauthorized research. I'm on that, Yeah, 2274 02:07:50.359 --> 02:07:53.039 he can't even fucking look into this shit without getting canned. 2275 02:07:53.600 --> 02:07:53.800 Mm. 2276 02:07:55.479 --> 02:07:58.439 That is crazy, it says, in an effort to protect Moss, 2277 02:07:58.520 --> 02:08:01.199 Senator Jay Rockefeller how about that? 2278 02:08:01.239 --> 02:08:03.119 Oh yeah, of those Rockefellers. 2279 02:08:03.199 --> 02:08:08.680 Correct wrote that the then USDA Secretary Mike Epsy in May, June, 2280 02:08:08.760 --> 02:08:11.399 and July of nineteen ninety four, trying to save Moss's 2281 02:08:11.479 --> 02:08:14.479 job and to ensure funding for his research. Epsy didn't 2282 02:08:14.479 --> 02:08:17.399 answer until Moss's warnings had been aired on CBS News 2283 02:08:17.399 --> 02:08:20.479 on October fourteenth of that year, and then Epsy merely 2284 02:08:20.560 --> 02:08:23.560 said that the USDA would not continue this line of inquiry, 2285 02:08:23.720 --> 02:08:26.600 but would transfer all of Moss's data to the Department 2286 02:08:26.680 --> 02:08:27.319 of Defense. 2287 02:08:28.600 --> 02:08:31.439 Yeah, we're not going to continue your research, but we'll 2288 02:08:31.439 --> 02:08:33.800 go ahead and take that research off your hands and 2289 02:08:33.920 --> 02:08:36.880 just hold it into our own records. Thank you for 2290 02:08:36.960 --> 02:08:37.439 your time. 2291 02:08:37.880 --> 02:08:41.239 Aside from Moss's work, the Army had known as early 2292 02:08:41.279 --> 02:08:44.079 as nineteen eighty six that there was a Pebe pesticide 2293 02:08:44.079 --> 02:08:47.479 connection and that the two had mutually had a mutually 2294 02:08:47.520 --> 02:08:51.159 and destructively enhancing effect when used in combination. Though most 2295 02:08:51.159 --> 02:08:54.199 of the relevant documents were destroyed by the Army, a 2296 02:08:54.239 --> 02:08:58.319 memo screaming a memo screening a potential subject for research 2297 02:08:59.399 --> 02:09:02.880 notes that he was an acceptable candidate because in quotes, 2298 02:09:03.159 --> 02:09:07.399 there is no sensitivity to pesticides or recent significant exposure. 2299 02:09:09.039 --> 02:09:11.279 So because he accepted that to be true, that's why 2300 02:09:11.279 --> 02:09:12.359 they put him in that spot. 2301 02:09:13.079 --> 02:09:16.720 Yep. He was appointed to that position because he played 2302 02:09:16.720 --> 02:09:19.199 ball and showed that he would be a good. 2303 02:09:19.039 --> 02:09:24.880 Boy government puppets baby Yep. Contemplating all these warnings plus 2304 02:09:24.960 --> 02:09:29.199 one other suggesting that to be effective against soman PEB 2305 02:09:29.399 --> 02:09:32.760 would have to be used in enormously dangerous amounts, the 2306 02:09:32.920 --> 02:09:36.920 Army made haste to extract from the FDA the relevant 2307 02:09:36.920 --> 02:09:41.039 waivers to use the vaccine. The FDA initially resisted, cetting 2308 02:09:41.039 --> 02:09:44.319 concerns about liability. By January of nineteen ninety one, with 2309 02:09:44.399 --> 02:09:47.439 war imminent, the pressure grew. The Defense Department threatened to 2310 02:09:47.439 --> 02:09:51.840 invokee emergency emergency powers that would exempt them from any 2311 02:09:51.880 --> 02:09:55.720 review by the FDA. The FDA would then be without 2312 02:09:55.800 --> 02:09:57.920 access to Army research findings. 2313 02:09:59.000 --> 02:10:01.520 So basically they say, give us the access to do 2314 02:10:01.520 --> 02:10:04.039 what we need to do, or if you'll just go 2315 02:10:04.079 --> 02:10:07.640 around you and get the access anyway, And they were like, well, shit, 2316 02:10:08.119 --> 02:10:10.359 one of these options at least we get the research 2317 02:10:10.359 --> 02:10:11.720 that they find from their study. 2318 02:10:12.880 --> 02:10:16.119 In the case of both PB and the bochulism vaccine, 2319 02:10:16.159 --> 02:10:21.159 the FDA finally gave the Defense Department an interim partial 2320 02:10:21.199 --> 02:10:25.039 waiver from normal restriction on the use of investigational drugs. 2321 02:10:25.319 --> 02:10:29.800 This category, known as ID, normally requires written and informed 2322 02:10:29.840 --> 02:10:33.079 consent from the patient, close scrutiny of the patient's condition, 2323 02:10:33.560 --> 02:10:37.479 and the compilation of detailed medical case histories. Even under 2324 02:10:37.479 --> 02:10:40.119 the FDA's waiver, the Defense Department was still supposed to 2325 02:10:40.199 --> 02:10:43.880 keep individual records on all recipients and records of all 2326 02:10:43.920 --> 02:10:47.439 reports of adverse reactions. None of these conditions were met. 2327 02:10:47.640 --> 02:10:49.640 Of course, they were right right, of course. 2328 02:10:49.800 --> 02:10:51.720 At the start of January of ninety one, the Army 2329 02:10:51.760 --> 02:10:55.920 began administering the three vaccines PB, anthrax, and botulism on 2330 02:10:55.960 --> 02:11:00.399 a mandatory basis to as many as four hundred thousand troops, contractors, 2331 02:11:00.399 --> 02:11:03.479 and journalists. The recipients were given the vaccines without any 2332 02:11:03.479 --> 02:11:06.640 information on potential side effects. In fact, most of the 2333 02:11:06.680 --> 02:11:09.840 medical personnel administering the vaccines were unaware of the hazards. 2334 02:11:10.119 --> 02:11:12.880 The vaccines were given to women, some of them pregnant, 2335 02:11:13.159 --> 02:11:15.479 even though the relevant drugs had never been tested on 2336 02:11:15.560 --> 02:11:18.560 healthy women, nor was there any research on how the 2337 02:11:18.640 --> 02:11:22.920 vaccines might react with other medications such as birth control pills. 2338 02:11:23.159 --> 02:11:27.239 In all, twenty eight thousand women were given the vaccine drugs. 2339 02:11:27.560 --> 02:11:31.279 Unlike the extensive screening screening given to the research subjects, 2340 02:11:31.640 --> 02:11:34.239 none of the Gulf War personnel was screened for any 2341 02:11:34.239 --> 02:11:38.159 diseases or conditions. This becomes important because if side conditions 2342 02:11:38.159 --> 02:11:41.640 are not surveyed, then ensuing ailments cannot be analyzed with 2343 02:11:41.720 --> 02:11:43.079 adequate case histories. 2344 02:11:44.239 --> 02:11:46.640 Yeah, so basically they had no idea what these people 2345 02:11:46.680 --> 02:11:48.840 had going on before the fact. They just ran with 2346 02:11:48.880 --> 02:11:53.159 it and again super experimental drug that the FDA was 2347 02:11:53.199 --> 02:11:57.079 basically strong arm leveraged into giving the permission to the 2348 02:11:57.119 --> 02:11:58.319 DoD to do what they did. 2349 02:12:00.039 --> 02:12:03.920 Bochulism vaccine was given too late to have had any 2350 02:12:04.039 --> 02:12:07.439 use in the war. The Defense Department didn't begin administering 2351 02:12:07.479 --> 02:12:10.119 it until January twenty third of ninety one, after the 2352 02:12:10.159 --> 02:12:12.800 beginning of the Air War. None of the recipients of 2353 02:12:12.840 --> 02:12:16.279 the bochelism vaccine received the full course three shots necessary 2354 02:12:16.319 --> 02:12:19.479 for full immunization. After the end of the Golf War, 2355 02:12:19.520 --> 02:12:22.600 the Defense Department aggressively pressured the FDA to issue a 2356 02:12:22.640 --> 02:12:27.640 permanent waiver of informed consent, saying not to finalize it 2357 02:12:27.720 --> 02:12:32.800 provides an arguable defect under the Administrative Procedures Act and 2358 02:12:32.920 --> 02:12:35.560 leaves the Department of Defense and the FDA open to 2359 02:12:35.640 --> 02:12:39.600 greater liability. In another bid to eliminate liability, the Army 2360 02:12:39.640 --> 02:12:42.359 told golf war vets that they have no legal standing 2361 02:12:42.720 --> 02:12:47.800 because the so called FAREF doctrine prohibits military personnel from 2362 02:12:47.880 --> 02:12:50.840 suing the federal government for injuries suffered as part of 2363 02:12:50.880 --> 02:12:55.920 military service. Yeah, basically you can't sue us. We own you, Mitch. 2364 02:12:56.760 --> 02:12:59.479 Essentially, That's what it boils down to. And that's fine. 2365 02:12:59.600 --> 02:13:02.439 You go to the and you get a disability compensation 2366 02:13:02.560 --> 02:13:04.520 and that's how that goes. But you can't sue the 2367 02:13:04.560 --> 02:13:07.439 government for getting shot at in a combat zone. Is 2368 02:13:07.479 --> 02:13:09.079 basically what that's supposed. 2369 02:13:08.680 --> 02:13:11.760 To be, right, But I mean, I feel like this 2370 02:13:11.800 --> 02:13:14.359 should be a little bit different. It's negligence, you know, 2371 02:13:14.520 --> 02:13:16.760 through the use of the chemical malpractice. 2372 02:13:16.840 --> 02:13:20.479 I believe it's in a different category. But hey, maybe not. 2373 02:13:20.640 --> 02:13:21.640 They don't see it that way. 2374 02:13:22.159 --> 02:13:23.479 You're still our bitch, no matter what. 2375 02:13:24.159 --> 02:13:24.439 Yep. 2376 02:13:25.119 --> 02:13:29.159 The Defense Department cited a decision written by antonin Scalia 2377 02:13:29.399 --> 02:13:33.520 in which the US Supreme Court upheld the pharaoff doctrine, saying, 2378 02:13:33.640 --> 02:13:37.600 in Scalia's words, that to do otherwise would call into 2379 02:13:37.680 --> 02:13:41.479 question military discipline and decision making. Well, we wouldn't want 2380 02:13:41.520 --> 02:13:42.560 to do that, now, would we. 2381 02:13:42.760 --> 02:13:46.520 Oh shit, this fucking guy, Well, Scalia. 2382 02:13:47.119 --> 02:13:50.239 Fuck me. While the army stonewall here in the US, 2383 02:13:50.319 --> 02:13:53.920 and while Hillary Clinton consulted her stress meter, I love 2384 02:13:54.000 --> 02:13:56.920 to consult in her stress meter, well, thank god she 2385 02:13:57.039 --> 02:14:01.479 had one of those. What of other nations in the 2386 02:14:01.520 --> 02:14:04.720 Allied Force in ninety one? Well? On November twelfth of 2387 02:14:04.800 --> 02:14:08.000 ninety six, more than one thousand British Vets sued their government, 2388 02:14:08.039 --> 02:14:10.399 claiming that they had been poisoned by a toxic combination 2389 02:14:10.479 --> 02:14:14.319 of pesticides liberally sprayed on their uniforms, intents, and by 2390 02:14:14.800 --> 02:14:18.520 anti nerve gas tablets they were compelled to take. To 2391 02:14:18.560 --> 02:14:21.199 back up their claims, the British Vets used a report 2392 02:14:21.239 --> 02:14:23.840 by doctor Norman Jones, who was a contractor for the 2393 02:14:24.640 --> 02:14:29.439 British Defense Ministry. Jones's research shows that some vets were 2394 02:14:29.439 --> 02:14:35.039 particularly vulnerable to this nerve gas tablet. So the Czech 2395 02:14:35.079 --> 02:14:39.319 government has officially recognized golf force syndrome and began compensating 2396 02:14:39.359 --> 02:14:43.239 ailing ailing vets and most importantly allowed them to be 2397 02:14:43.279 --> 02:14:47.520 evaluated by non military doctors. The French soldiers were not 2398 02:14:47.600 --> 02:14:50.920 given anti duotes in vaccines and have reported few, if 2399 02:14:50.960 --> 02:14:54.960 any cases of golf cource syndrome. So they figured it out. 2400 02:14:55.000 --> 02:14:57.319 Then they took care of their people. Finally, right, at 2401 02:14:57.399 --> 02:14:59.479 least as far as franco. 2402 02:14:59.119 --> 02:15:02.479 Is it, the French soldiers weren't around any of the 2403 02:15:02.520 --> 02:15:03.520 affected areas. 2404 02:15:04.439 --> 02:15:05.279 That could be the case. 2405 02:15:05.319 --> 02:15:05.600 Well. 2406 02:15:06.000 --> 02:15:08.439 As the cover up slowly unraveled, it became clear that 2407 02:15:08.520 --> 02:15:12.239 the US Army, along with the British Defense Ministry, was 2408 02:15:12.279 --> 02:15:16.920 involved in a gigantic experiment with very little idea, despite 2409 02:15:16.960 --> 02:15:20.640 many dire warnings of the consequences of its vaccines and antidotes. 2410 02:15:20.840 --> 02:15:24.640 This may not be contrary to the US and British laws, 2411 02:15:24.760 --> 02:15:30.199 but it certainly violated the Nuremberg Codes, promulgated after World 2412 02:15:30.239 --> 02:15:33.039 War II in response to the experiments performed by Nazi 2413 02:15:33.039 --> 02:15:36.720 scientists using chemicals and biological materials on their victims. Many 2414 02:15:36.720 --> 02:15:39.920 of those sciences later found employment in US research labs, 2415 02:15:39.920 --> 02:15:45.560 military and sibyl. Of course, Project Paperclip, one final way 2416 02:15:45.600 --> 02:15:47.920 to study the Gulf War syndrome of course, is to 2417 02:15:47.920 --> 02:15:52.000 look at the dismissal, at the dismal health histories of 2418 02:15:52.119 --> 02:15:54.399 farm workers here in the United States. They're in the 2419 02:15:54.439 --> 02:15:58.439 front lines all the time, bombed daily by the pesticides 2420 02:15:58.680 --> 02:16:01.920 which are the descendants of Soman, Saren and Tobin. 2421 02:16:03.279 --> 02:16:06.960 This is crazy, bro, This is crazy. Now, what is 2422 02:16:07.000 --> 02:16:08.600 your thoughts on all of this at this time? 2423 02:16:08.640 --> 02:16:08.800 Bro? 2424 02:16:08.880 --> 02:16:11.079 Even the Clintons are wrapped up in the cover up. 2425 02:16:11.840 --> 02:16:15.479 I think that it is absolutely undeniable, you know, the 2426 02:16:15.920 --> 02:16:22.000 speculation that you know that that people whenever it's it's 2427 02:16:22.000 --> 02:16:27.399 almost like whenever we're at war, we have total disregard 2428 02:16:27.600 --> 02:16:29.279 for any of the people that are fighting on behalf 2429 02:16:29.279 --> 02:16:34.000 of us, and we don't really care. It's almost like wambam, 2430 02:16:34.120 --> 02:16:36.440 thank you, ma'am. It's almost like a hitden and quitted 2431 02:16:36.479 --> 02:16:38.879 situation to where you're like, I got what I needed 2432 02:16:38.879 --> 02:16:40.360 out of you, now, fuck you forever. 2433 02:16:40.959 --> 02:16:42.879 Oh, let's go ahead and hear what the government was 2434 02:16:42.920 --> 02:16:46.040 saying about. As a matter of fact, in ninety six. 2435 02:16:46.239 --> 02:16:49.719 We've been criticized for years for not releasing information on 2436 02:16:49.840 --> 02:16:53.040 called four illness. Now we're being criticized for the way 2437 02:16:53.040 --> 02:16:55.639 in which we're releasing information on Gulf four illness. I 2438 02:16:55.680 --> 02:16:58.479 think that's a step in the right direction. I hope 2439 02:16:58.479 --> 02:17:02.040 that we'll be able to release more more information at 2440 02:17:02.120 --> 02:17:05.159 earlier times of the day later on, and that's my goal, 2441 02:17:05.280 --> 02:17:07.200 and it's the goal of this department to try to 2442 02:17:07.239 --> 02:17:09.600 get as much information out as possible. 2443 02:17:09.680 --> 02:17:12.760 There was no bail bones information earlier in the afternoon 2444 02:17:12.920 --> 02:17:16.520 Safe first edition to the newspaper's offer prime time television shows, 2445 02:17:16.520 --> 02:17:17.239 there was no word. 2446 02:17:18.520 --> 02:17:24.639 It is a process. As I say, it's turned out 2447 02:17:24.639 --> 02:17:28.760 to take longer than we would like. We are frustrated. 2448 02:17:28.879 --> 02:17:32.680 I know the veterans are frustrated. This administration and this 2449 02:17:32.879 --> 02:17:37.440 Pentagon have made a commitment to do a better job, 2450 02:17:37.479 --> 02:17:39.079 and that's what we're trying to do. That's why we're 2451 02:17:39.120 --> 02:17:40.040 releasing information. 2452 02:17:40.959 --> 02:17:46.200 Yes, for the record, they're just playing the game, honestly, 2453 02:17:46.319 --> 02:17:49.639 just playing the politician game of well, we're trying our best. 2454 02:17:49.639 --> 02:17:49.879 Here. 2455 02:17:50.040 --> 02:17:50.479 Can you hear that? 2456 02:17:50.559 --> 02:17:52.840 I am advertised, I am doctor Pittriskaloman. 2457 02:17:52.920 --> 02:17:54.360 It's a pleasure to be with you here today. 2458 02:17:54.479 --> 02:17:57.600 We can't out print astigmine bromide as a contributor to 2459 02:17:57.639 --> 02:17:59.639 health symptoms in l GO for veterans. 2460 02:18:00.280 --> 02:18:02.239 Further research is needed and this. 2461 02:18:02.120 --> 02:18:04.440 Is something that hasn't really been discussed in this briefing 2462 02:18:04.760 --> 02:18:07.520 to determine the effectiveness of the current dose of PB 2463 02:18:08.159 --> 02:18:11.799 viz a vi the nerve ancient Soman and clearly additional 2464 02:18:11.840 --> 02:18:15.000 research regarding both the safety and effectiveness of PB for 2465 02:18:15.159 --> 02:18:19.120 humans is urgently needed. The issue now is the complex 2466 02:18:19.159 --> 02:18:22.639 one of trading off uncertain health risks, but risks now 2467 02:18:22.680 --> 02:18:26.639 known to be biologically plausible, against possible but uncertain gains 2468 02:18:26.680 --> 02:18:29.040 from use of PB. In the warfare setting. 2469 02:18:29.479 --> 02:18:32.479 Is turned the canteene down and allowed the dropped air 2470 02:18:32.600 --> 02:18:33.200 to flow out. 2471 02:18:33.399 --> 02:18:35.159 You see this old video of them in the old 2472 02:18:35.200 --> 02:18:44.639 mobl Yo, fuck that fuck fighting a war. 2473 02:18:44.719 --> 02:18:45.079 In that. 2474 02:18:47.280 --> 02:18:50.559 On, the assistant secretary of the fans and the troops 2475 02:18:50.559 --> 02:18:54.239 were given a booster pack and these are the pure 2476 02:18:54.280 --> 02:18:59.520 Distignian pills. These pills are given at thirty milligram doses 2477 02:19:00.159 --> 02:19:03.680 eight hours, so each pill is thirty milligrams and it's 2478 02:19:03.719 --> 02:19:07.600 taken three times a day. That would only be given 2479 02:19:07.840 --> 02:19:12.200 during the high threat time so that you may take 2480 02:19:12.200 --> 02:19:14.479 it for a short time and if we assess that 2481 02:19:14.559 --> 02:19:18.520 the threat is reduced, then it would be discontinued. It's 2482 02:19:18.520 --> 02:19:22.040 also important to note that PB only works with the 2483 02:19:22.120 --> 02:19:24.879 follow up of what's called a Mark two kit, which 2484 02:19:24.920 --> 02:19:29.200 is the auto injectable self injected drugs that also then 2485 02:19:29.719 --> 02:19:32.399 protect our troops and allow them to survive what would 2486 02:19:32.399 --> 02:19:35.639 have otherwise been a lethal attack of a nerve agent 2487 02:19:35.760 --> 02:19:36.239 like Soman. 2488 02:19:36.719 --> 02:19:37.959 She's a RAND consultant. 2489 02:19:38.879 --> 02:19:42.639 We are at this point now the most conservative of 2490 02:19:42.840 --> 02:19:47.159 nations in terms of considering the possible future use of PEB. 2491 02:19:47.719 --> 02:19:51.280 Other nations who are involved in research on chemical weapons, 2492 02:19:52.360 --> 02:19:56.920 who have PB in their stockpile have indicated to us 2493 02:19:57.000 --> 02:20:01.200 that upon any indication of chemical on the battlefield, their 2494 02:20:01.239 --> 02:20:03.200 policies are to continue to use phoebe. 2495 02:20:04.879 --> 02:20:08.360 Okay, So a little bit more about what was going 2496 02:20:08.399 --> 02:20:10.719 on at that time, and now we have this little 2497 02:20:10.760 --> 02:20:14.360 bit of a little quick video thirteen years ago. This 2498 02:20:14.440 --> 02:20:16.680 is what doctors were doing to try to help the 2499 02:20:16.760 --> 02:20:20.079 veteran community twenty years after the fact, bro. 2500 02:20:20.280 --> 02:20:21.040 Right hand. 2501 02:20:22.479 --> 02:20:26.000 At a Georgetown University clinic. It's another step in trying 2502 02:20:26.000 --> 02:20:28.479 to figure out how to help many veterans of the 2503 02:20:28.559 --> 02:20:32.239 First Gulf War twenty years after they moved into Kuwait 2504 02:20:32.360 --> 02:20:35.719 and a rock and suffered what's become known as Gulf 2505 02:20:35.760 --> 02:20:36.840 War illness. 2506 02:20:37.280 --> 02:20:40.639 I've been sick for a long time and been to 2507 02:20:40.719 --> 02:20:43.360 a lot of different doctors, been to the VA, and 2508 02:20:43.760 --> 02:20:46.520 haven't found any answers for my conditions. 2509 02:20:46.639 --> 02:20:49.399 A VET who has not to be identified suffers the 2510 02:20:49.440 --> 02:20:53.360 same as many fellow Gulf War veterans from fatigue, joint 2511 02:20:53.399 --> 02:20:57.360 and muscle pain, and memory problems with no obvious cause 2512 02:20:57.760 --> 02:20:58.920 and not much help. 2513 02:20:59.280 --> 02:20:59.959 Been very USh. 2514 02:21:00.600 --> 02:21:06.639 It's been a challenge to just exist and try to 2515 02:21:06.680 --> 02:21:08.639 get up and get through work and get home. And 2516 02:21:08.639 --> 02:21:09.760 I don't have anything left. 2517 02:21:10.200 --> 02:21:12.879 He came here from across the country to see doctor 2518 02:21:12.959 --> 02:21:17.040 James Baroneck, a Georgetown professor conducting a series of Pentagon 2519 02:21:17.120 --> 02:21:21.000 sponsored studies on an illness that's largely been a mystery 2520 02:21:21.200 --> 02:21:22.360 for twenty years. 2521 02:21:22.959 --> 02:21:27.360 Let's understand what the mechanisms are, and let's find drugs, 2522 02:21:27.920 --> 02:21:32.040 new drugs, new combinations of medicines to treat them. 2523 02:21:32.719 --> 02:21:38.440 Bro After years of complaints, Baronic says, the Veterans Administration 2524 02:21:38.639 --> 02:21:41.639 is finally doing a better job of helping those suffering 2525 02:21:41.680 --> 02:21:45.040 Gofer illness, which affects about a third of the nearly 2526 02:21:45.159 --> 02:21:47.479 seven hundred thousand who served in the war. 2527 02:21:47.719 --> 02:21:53.319 I don't think that the US population understands the epidemic 2528 02:21:53.520 --> 02:21:56.360 proportion that that represents. 2529 02:21:56.600 --> 02:21:59.559 The VA promised last year to take what it called 2530 02:21:59.600 --> 02:22:03.360 a friend bold look at aiding the veterans. VA Chief 2531 02:22:03.399 --> 02:22:06.760 of Staff John Gingerich, a Gulf War vet himself, writes 2532 02:22:06.799 --> 02:22:09.680 in a blog that it continues looking for what causes 2533 02:22:09.680 --> 02:22:13.120 golf war illness and remains committed to caring for those 2534 02:22:13.200 --> 02:22:17.159 suffering from it. For one VET twenty years has been 2535 02:22:17.200 --> 02:22:17.840 long enough. 2536 02:22:18.079 --> 02:22:21.760 It's just frustrated and just tired and worn out and 2537 02:22:21.799 --> 02:22:25.000 beat down and just looking for some help. 2538 02:22:25.399 --> 02:22:27.639 Or Saga MAGGANI the Associated Press. 2539 02:22:28.159 --> 02:22:32.600 Okay, so now we're seeing that at least they're starting 2540 02:22:32.600 --> 02:22:35.399 to take steps in the right direction, you know what 2541 02:22:35.479 --> 02:22:38.000 I mean. And they're still trying to figure out the 2542 02:22:38.079 --> 02:22:40.479 reasons for it. They're trying to figure out what they 2543 02:22:40.520 --> 02:22:42.799 can do to treat it, because the symptoms are, you 2544 02:22:42.879 --> 02:22:44.239 know what I mean, it's a sign of it, but 2545 02:22:44.239 --> 02:22:47.479 it's not the whole thing. So I did want to 2546 02:22:47.680 --> 02:22:50.479 talk about here the VA. This is actually the VA's 2547 02:22:50.479 --> 02:22:53.760 website when it talks about the goal war syndrome. Here 2548 02:22:54.879 --> 02:22:59.799 presumptive conditions for goal war veterans. Goal war veterans who 2549 02:22:59.840 --> 02:23:02.159 meet the criteria below do not need to prove a 2550 02:23:02.200 --> 02:23:05.959 connection between their military service and illnesses in order to 2551 02:23:06.000 --> 02:23:12.120 receive VA disability compensation. We are talking about mayagic, what 2552 02:23:12.239 --> 02:23:19.159 the hell? Myalgic in camphilic, chronic fatigue syndrome, okay, that 2553 02:23:19.879 --> 02:23:26.680 uh fibermyalga, functional gastro intestional disorders, undiagnosed illnesses. Okay. They 2554 02:23:26.799 --> 02:23:28.719 just kind of left that one, hoping ended on that one. 2555 02:23:29.040 --> 02:23:31.120 But as far as that goes, I did want all 2556 02:23:31.159 --> 02:23:35.040 of our veterans out there that served during that war 2557 02:23:35.120 --> 02:23:37.680 that haven't gone to the VA. Hey, dude, now's your 2558 02:23:37.719 --> 02:23:41.280 time go for it and start fighting that fight, because 2559 02:23:41.280 --> 02:23:45.959 this is another example of complete government cover up. Dude. 2560 02:23:46.159 --> 02:23:49.280 You know, I was just thinking that whole time. I 2561 02:23:49.360 --> 02:23:53.360 know that they're especially you yourself. You've talked about the the VA, 2562 02:23:53.440 --> 02:23:56.200 and I got a bunch of friend friends and family 2563 02:23:56.239 --> 02:23:59.079 members who served in the military and stuff like that 2564 02:23:59.079 --> 02:24:02.200 that always complained about the VA as well. And I 2565 02:24:02.239 --> 02:24:05.680 gotta say, dude, how is it not an absolute priority 2566 02:24:05.719 --> 02:24:08.920 to put all veterans at the top of the priority 2567 02:24:08.920 --> 02:24:12.079 list whenever it comes to anything health related, like forget 2568 02:24:12.120 --> 02:24:14.440 the VA. Look, all you gotta do is just show 2569 02:24:14.479 --> 02:24:18.239 your fucking military ID and that should be your literal 2570 02:24:18.440 --> 02:24:21.719 insurance card. Whenever you walk into a hospital like it 2571 02:24:21.760 --> 02:24:25.000 should be absolutely free, Like you laid your life on 2572 02:24:25.040 --> 02:24:27.440 the line. The least you can do is receive some 2573 02:24:27.559 --> 02:24:30.319 fucking medicine for free and get looked at for free 2574 02:24:30.520 --> 02:24:33.360 and get diagnosed for free and all these things like 2575 02:24:33.479 --> 02:24:37.840 these military members should be the absolute upper echelon of 2576 02:24:38.280 --> 02:24:42.879 all prioritization of everything health related moving forward in the country. 2577 02:24:43.280 --> 02:24:45.680 I don't believe that the VA and not shitting on 2578 02:24:45.680 --> 02:24:47.120 the VA. I'm sure the people that are working in 2579 02:24:47.159 --> 02:24:50.000 the VA doing a very you know, a hard job 2580 02:24:50.079 --> 02:24:51.600 and they have to deal with a lot of shit 2581 02:24:51.680 --> 02:24:53.760 on a daily basis, But why is it a private 2582 02:24:53.799 --> 02:24:57.680 sector from the hospital like all the hospitals, like it 2583 02:24:57.719 --> 02:25:01.879 should be military members first priority. You walk into an 2584 02:25:01.879 --> 02:25:03.559 emergency room, are you a military member? 2585 02:25:03.600 --> 02:25:03.879 All right? 2586 02:25:03.879 --> 02:25:05.680 You're first? Like it should be like that. 2587 02:25:05.719 --> 02:25:09.959 Extend that to cops, firefighters, first responders, like yo, I 2588 02:25:10.079 --> 02:25:12.079 heard that, to the realm of all of that, yes, 2589 02:25:12.280 --> 02:25:15.360 I one hundred percent agree, But that's just not the 2590 02:25:15.360 --> 02:25:18.079 world we live in. But uh, you know this one, 2591 02:25:18.600 --> 02:25:20.239 we could go more in depth on it. There's a 2592 02:25:20.239 --> 02:25:22.159 few more videos I had in a few more articles 2593 02:25:22.200 --> 02:25:24.520 I had to pull up. But you know what, that 2594 02:25:24.879 --> 02:25:27.600 would just kind of be driving in more nails into 2595 02:25:27.639 --> 02:25:31.479 the coffin, so to speak. We can clearly see that, yes, 2596 02:25:31.920 --> 02:25:35.879 they had prior information of the types of chemical, biological, 2597 02:25:36.040 --> 02:25:39.120 bad nasty shit that they were blowing up. They sent 2598 02:25:39.280 --> 02:25:42.760 service members into that area to be exposed to these chemicals. 2599 02:25:43.319 --> 02:25:46.959 Not just a few, a third are now suffering from 2600 02:25:47.000 --> 02:25:50.200 that type of exposure and the government is still dragging 2601 02:25:50.200 --> 02:25:52.600 their feet about it. And I thought we needed to 2602 02:25:52.639 --> 02:25:54.360 talk about it at the Cult of Conspiracy. 2603 02:25:54.399 --> 02:25:54.600 Dog. 2604 02:25:54.680 --> 02:25:56.760 I'm glad you brought this one up. This this one 2605 02:25:56.840 --> 02:26:03.200 really got me even like fucking riled up. This is crazy, Like, oh, 2606 02:26:03.239 --> 02:26:06.639 it just blows my mind. The absolute disregard for everybody 2607 02:26:06.639 --> 02:26:08.719 who fights for your life. I just don't get it. 2608 02:26:08.959 --> 02:26:12.159 I just I don't understand that it's absurd. 2609 02:26:12.440 --> 02:26:14.680 It is absolutely absurd. And good cult members, if you 2610 02:26:14.719 --> 02:26:16.319 would like to talk about it, you would like to 2611 02:26:16.399 --> 02:26:19.280 let us know if you find this whole thing absurd, 2612 02:26:19.319 --> 02:26:21.479 and if you know somebody who's suffering from Gulf War 2613 02:26:21.520 --> 02:26:23.600 syndrome or something along those lines, and you would like 2614 02:26:23.680 --> 02:26:26.760 to let it be known, then please at this time, 2615 02:26:27.360 --> 02:26:29.760 hit the five stars, hit the shares the light, subscribes 2616 02:26:29.840 --> 02:26:31.799 the comments, leave a post leader for review, shares with 2617 02:26:31.840 --> 02:26:34.000 their friends and family, shares everywhere. Here's the deal. The 2618 02:26:34.000 --> 02:26:36.959 more activity the algorithm sees across all of our listening platforms, 2619 02:26:37.040 --> 02:26:39.120 the more we get promoted to more potential listeners who 2620 02:26:39.120 --> 02:26:41.360 could then become potential cult members like the rest of you. Find, 2621 02:26:41.399 --> 02:26:43.719 Ladies and gentlemen, we thank if everybody's already gone and 2622 02:26:43.799 --> 02:26:46.399 done so. While you're at it, go check out Meta Mysteries, 2623 02:26:46.600 --> 02:26:48.760 Jonathan's other show and give it all the five stars 2624 02:26:48.760 --> 02:26:51.600 and the positive reviews and the loves. Go check out 2625 02:26:51.680 --> 02:26:54.360 Caja Not YouTube channel. Give me the subscribes and the 2626 02:26:54.399 --> 02:26:56.879 follows over there. We thank you for everybody's already gone 2627 02:26:56.879 --> 02:26:57.239 and done so. 2628 02:26:57.479 --> 02:27:00.559 And with that being said, this was another being episode 2629 02:27:00.639 --> 02:27:03.920 of the Cults of Conspiracy. And my name is Jonathan 2630 02:27:04.319 --> 02:27:06.559 from Jack and there's one very important, surely bottle piece 2631 02:27:06.559 --> 02:27:08.559 of information we need to learn just as soon as 2632 02:27:08.639 --> 02:27:09.600 humanly possible. 2633 02:28:02.200 --> 02:28:28.479 So to speaks so s to so to speak s