Speaker 1: Oh well, fessor, Hello and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: This is the Cult of Conspiracy, and my name's Jonathan.
Speaker 3: I'm Jacob.
Speaker 2: Jacob. Tell the good cult members what we're going to
Speaker 2: be talking about today, sir.
Speaker 3: So there I was mine in my business, being a
Speaker 3: good little child of God, if you will, and you
Speaker 3: was just kind of as I do, as you do,
Speaker 3: you know, and I was just kind of delving into
Speaker 3: some random conspiracies and things that I was thinking about
Speaker 3: what I wanted to do for this episode, and I
Speaker 3: stumbled across this thing from the early nineties, right, golf
Speaker 3: War syndrome or the Golf War disease or the Gold
Speaker 3: War sickness, and it's been called a couple of different things,
Speaker 3: but that kept coming up.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: I had heard a lot about during World War One, right,
Speaker 3: dudes had come back from fighting in the trenches. They
Speaker 3: were exposed to mustard gas there. You know, they have
Speaker 3: chronic illnesses of the rest of their lives and it's horrible,
Speaker 3: it's absolutely atrocious. But like it made sense to me.
Speaker 3: Vietnam we had napalm and agent orange and they said
Speaker 3: that our guys weren't getting effected. Come to find out,
Speaker 3: it was lighting them up to and they died years
Speaker 3: later when they were at home from these cancers that
Speaker 3: were caused from this age and orange and it's horrible
Speaker 3: and it's atrocious and all of that. Yes, agreed, but
Speaker 3: at least the lines checked out for me, right, one
Speaker 3: plus one equal too. They were exposed to back him.
Speaker 3: They died because of it. Okay, the government acknowledged it. Cool,
Speaker 3: But when it came to this desert storm, this this
Speaker 3: this uh desert storm syndrome, this Golf War sickness, there
Speaker 3: wasn't really much to say about it. There's been only
Speaker 3: recent and by recent I mean the last two or
Speaker 3: three years of the government acknowledging it whatsoever and doing
Speaker 3: very little to, you know, try to make anything right
Speaker 3: about it. But I was like, wait, whoa, what is
Speaker 3: there that needs to be made right now?
Speaker 5: Are they?
Speaker 2: Is it like a psychological thing?
Speaker 3: It's okay, So I was thinking, like, is this just
Speaker 3: a new way of looking at PTSD? But then you
Speaker 3: think about it. The Golf War only lasted like one
Speaker 3: hundred hours the main assault, and yes there was some deaths,
Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to take away from some of
Speaker 3: the traumatic experiences that like US service members faced when
Speaker 3: they were over there, for sure, But for it to
Speaker 3: be a sickness that has caused chronic illnesses and cancers
Speaker 3: and fatigues and all these things, It's like, wait, that's
Speaker 3: not that's not a thing stressing anxiety. So there had
Speaker 3: to be something inherent that was going on here, and
Speaker 3: this led me down this rabbit hole. Get ready, y' all,
Speaker 3: the Clintons are getting brought up into this. Bush is
Speaker 3: getting brought up into this, the military industrial complex is
Speaker 3: getting brought into it, and that ever present piece of
Speaker 3: shit entity, the VA. Jonathan, are you ready to learn
Speaker 3: about the the Gulf War syndrome.
Speaker 2: I can't say that I'm surprised that those are the
Speaker 2: entities involved in the fuckery afoot, but I love talking
Speaker 2: about it because those those entities need to be exposed
Speaker 2: as much as humanly possible. So many people think back
Speaker 2: to the good old days of George H. W or
Speaker 2: the good old days of Bill Clinton, or the good
Speaker 2: old days of like, you know, the the late eighties,
Speaker 2: the early nineties. As far as you know, the presidency
Speaker 2: goes and people will shit all over soon to be
Speaker 2: president because he's not presidential. He doesn't could, he doesn't
Speaker 2: he doesn't walk around acting like a president. He walks
Speaker 2: around acting like a child. And and I want people
Speaker 2: to know that is a facade, like the facade of
Speaker 2: the of the of the prior presidents, you know, Joe Biden,
Speaker 2: George Bush, Brock, Obama, Bush Senior, all that that is
Speaker 2: all a facade. That's not really who they are. That's
Speaker 2: just how they compose themselves in public, that's the way
Speaker 2: that they want to be noticed and seen to the
Speaker 2: public eye. But behind closed doors, whenever you start really
Speaker 2: digging into the deep shithole that all these people were
Speaker 2: really connected to, you're like, oh, so how they were
Speaker 2: presenting themselves was just to kind of ease the masses
Speaker 2: and making them think that we have like a good
Speaker 2: person at the helm. It's it's all. It's all fake, dude,
Speaker 2: It's all fucking play.
Speaker 3: And keep in mind as we talk about this topic today.
Speaker 3: So this was started during the Bush administration senior, right,
Speaker 3: it continued into the Clinton administration, then was continued into
Speaker 3: Bush junior administration. So it's not like one side or
Speaker 3: the other of the aisle is more guilty over the
Speaker 3: other on this one. This was mishandled by both parties
Speaker 3: because both of the organizations, the Republicans and the Democrats,
Speaker 3: the politics of it equally say fuck the military and
Speaker 3: fuck the veterans like that. That's just what it boils
Speaker 3: down to here, and we're gonna show in depth how
Speaker 3: and why it didn't just go from one hand to
Speaker 3: the next. Oopsie daisy. No, it was almost like, hey,
Speaker 3: by the way, you're gonna get handed this. Just kick
Speaker 3: the can down the road a little bit. It's whatever,
Speaker 3: they're gonna die soon anyway, whatever does it make.
Speaker 2: I just I don't understand, you know, not taking care
Speaker 2: of the people that are fighting for your country. I
Speaker 2: just will never really understand that. And as a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, I mean I kind of experienced that on
Speaker 2: a much much smaller level whe of I was working offshore.
Speaker 2: You know, we used to have this one captain. He
Speaker 2: was a super dickhead, and he used to always say, oh, deckhands,
Speaker 2: they're just they're a dime a dozen. It doesn't matter. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, you can chip paint, and you know you
Speaker 2: can tie a line, and you know you can cook
Speaker 2: a good meal. But you're a dime a dozen. You're
Speaker 2: not special, You're not anything like that. And it's like,
Speaker 2: do you not appreciate any of the work that anybody's
Speaker 2: doing on your boat.
Speaker 6: Like I just.
Speaker 2: Like, come on, dude, how about a little bit of respect.
Speaker 2: It's like if we were to say, well, you know what,
Speaker 2: fucking ship captains or or tugboat captains, yea are a
Speaker 2: diamond dozen anyway like that probably wouldn't make you feel
Speaker 2: pretty good. But you know, it's it just goes to
Speaker 2: show that, you know, as far as at least on
Speaker 2: the upper level with the military, the people who are
Speaker 2: in charge of the military industrial complex, they see each
Speaker 2: and every one of their servicemen and service women as
Speaker 2: just actual pawns. They don't actually give a fuck.
Speaker 3: But that was agreed, agreed. But that was what was
Speaker 3: so crazy about this one. It wasn't like any other
Speaker 3: sickness that we had seen from previous military conflicts. And
Speaker 3: it was only US service members that were getting struck
Speaker 3: down with the sickness. The locals weren't. But what I'm
Speaker 3: getting ahead of myself, I'm getting ahead of myself. Let's
Speaker 3: talk a little bit about let's learn a little bit
Speaker 3: about the goal for syndrome and the symptoms. This is
Speaker 3: from the Specific History YouTube channel shouts out to them.
Speaker 7: Let's see War syndrome and symptoms. Although the war had
Speaker 7: officially ended for many Gulf War participants on both sides,
Speaker 7: it would mark the start of another more personal battle.
Speaker 7: With the ink barely dried on the armistice documents, many
Speaker 7: veterans began to contract a diverse catalog of perplexing symptoms,
Speaker 7: ranging from cognitive issues like depression, forgetfulness, loss of focus,
Speaker 7: and insomnia, to physiological problems such as headaches, fatigue, back pain,
Speaker 7: as well as respiratory and gastrointestinal disorders. Six months after
Speaker 7: the war came the release of the first documented cases
Speaker 7: of Gulf War syndrome from the US, the UK, Canada,
Speaker 7: Australia and Denmark. But it was only after the nineteen
Speaker 7: ninety eight landmark passing of the Persian Gulf War Veterans
Speaker 7: Act by the US government that a serious evaluation of
Speaker 7: Gulf War syndrome was undertaken, with researchers initially believing this
Speaker 7: multi symptom sickness to be either the result of psychological
Speaker 7: trauma or a consequence of chemical overexposure.
Speaker 2: Psychologe logical stressors.
Speaker 7: Among the first explanations offered for Gulf War syndrome was
Speaker 7: that similar to post traumatic stress disorder or PTSD, suggesting
Speaker 7: it was a psychological disorder arising from the stresses of combat,
Speaker 7: with advocates pointing to the well established fact that traumatic
Speaker 7: experience could cause a multitude of psychological and biological side effects.
Speaker 8: It's true that although the Gulf War.
Speaker 7: Was brief, it was just as violent as many other conflicts.
Speaker 7: A survey of thousands of combatants revealed that they were
Speaker 7: most distressed when witnessing the death or injury of an
Speaker 7: enemy soldier, being attacked by enemy fire, or seeing a
Speaker 7: comrade wounded or killed in front of their eyes. While
Speaker 7: many captured US Marines have related how they were brutally
Speaker 7: tortured by Iraqis and were routinely electrocuted, beaten, and struck
Speaker 7: with canes, pieces of wood, and improvised whips. The psychological argument, however,
Speaker 7: has largely been dismantled by an avalanche of research which
Speaker 7: indicates that even the most extreme combat related psychological stressors
Speaker 7: were not significantly associated with Gulf War syndrome. To add
Speaker 7: to this, rates of PTSD were found to be much
Speaker 7: lower in Gulf War veterans, while the vast majority of
Speaker 7: Gulf War syndrome sufferers were not found to have a
Speaker 7: psychiatric illness. However, interestingly enough, combat stress was found to
Speaker 7: exacerbate the side effects of chemical exposure, a phenomenon that
Speaker 7: more convincingly explains the causes of Gulf War syndrome chemical exposure.
Speaker 7: Throughout the short duration of the Gulf War, combatants were
Speaker 7: consistently exposed to harmful chemical substances that could come in
Speaker 7: a variety of forms. Perhaps the most easily recognizable, for
Speaker 7: their smoke plumes could be seen for hundreds of kilometers,
Speaker 7: were the poisonous gases that emanated from over seven hundred
Speaker 7: and fifty oil well fires, such as dioxin, which if
Speaker 7: inhaled in great amounts, could cause skin rashes, fatigue, headaches,
Speaker 7: and insomnia. Next were pesticides employed to kill the swarms
Speaker 7: of dangerous insects that resided in the Persian Gulf. Had
Speaker 7: to prevent the spread of sand fly feat ver disease
Speaker 7: that affected around sixty percent of British and US troops,
Speaker 7: issued with sprays, creams, and liquids for use on the skin, uniforms,
Speaker 7: and bedding, as well as crates full of pest strips.
Speaker 7: Fifteen of these products actually contained toxins that were detrimental
Speaker 7: to human health, with the US Army estimating that as
Speaker 7: many as forty thousand soldiers may have been over exposed
Speaker 7: to pesticides such as pyrethroids, which were applied to uniforms
Speaker 7: up to thirty times a month, organochlorines, a neurotoxin used
Speaker 7: to kill lice, and diethyl to luamide, more commonly known
Speaker 7: as deet, the most frequently used insect repellent for the
Speaker 7: skin that was also known to damage plastic materials. Furthermore,
Speaker 7: in order to safeguard troops from possible chemical attacks, soldiers
Speaker 7: were obliged to carry with them packets with twenty one
Speaker 7: purodystigmine bromide pills in order to reduce the effects of
Speaker 7: exposure to nerve agents. Although the recommended dose was thirty
Speaker 7: milligrams every eight hours for a time period of seventy
Speaker 7: two hours, followed by a twenty four hour break, troops
Speaker 7: often ignored it took it constantly after widespread reports of
Speaker 7: dead sheep, goats, and camels convinced many that the Iraqi
Speaker 7: invaders were actively using chemical weapons, numbering over five point
Speaker 7: three million doses reported two hundred and fifty thousand NATO
Speaker 7: personnel took PB tablets, which if injected too frequently, can
Speaker 7: cause side effects that mirror the symptoms of Gulf War syndrome.
Speaker 7: Another hazardous substance that Gulf War service men and women
Speaker 7: also had to contend with was depleted uranium, which could
Speaker 7: be found in low levels in munitions since it was
Speaker 7: known to increase the penetrative effectiveness of projectiles and as
Speaker 7: a layer on heavily armored tanks because it was also
Speaker 7: prized for its protective qualities. Overall, DEU infused missiles hit
Speaker 7: a total of twenty one NATO vehicles, while many troops
Speaker 7: suffered overexposure during a clean up operation in July of
Speaker 7: nineteen ninety one after an accidental fire at Camp Doha
Speaker 7: in Kuwait destroyed many and one A one tanks and
Speaker 7: munitions lined with depleted uranium. Lastly, a low level exposure
Speaker 7: to sarah, a nerve agent for a synthesized in Germany
Speaker 7: in the nineteen thirties, as well as mustard gas, a
Speaker 7: staple of chemical warfare created in eighteen twenty two and
Speaker 7: widely used in the First World War, have been pointed
Speaker 7: to as a possible high risk factor for Gulf War syndrome.
Speaker 7: The appearance of these chemicals has been attributed to the
Speaker 7: bombing of Iraqi chemical plants from January nineteenth to the
Speaker 7: twenty fourth of nineteen ninety one, and the subsequent decision
Speaker 7: to disregard the warnings of chemical alarms on the basis
Speaker 7: that they were false and meant to cause panic among
Speaker 7: the allies. Their emergence has also been traced to the
Speaker 7: destruction of an ammunition depot at Chemisia in Iraq in
Speaker 7: the aftermath of the war in March, which produced a
Speaker 7: bloom later thought to contain nerve agents that were potentially
Speaker 7: inhaled by up to ninety five thousand personnel.
Speaker 3: Just the quick overall of it. What is your thoughts
Speaker 3: as far as the amount of chemicals that they were
Speaker 3: probably exposed to. They talked a little bit about the
Speaker 3: depleted uranium right from some ordinance. Some things are being
Speaker 3: shot the anti tank weapons. However, that's like saying this
Speaker 3: person died from lead overdose when he's filled with bullets. Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know if that necessarily qualifies, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? But we talk about those chemical plants that
Speaker 3: were lit up, right, that were bombed and then the
Speaker 3: plumes of smoke that you could see from kilometers around
Speaker 3: you look at these burn pits and all these things.
Speaker 3: What is your take?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not surprised. And you talk about you know,
Speaker 2: you've talked about like at odd or a you know,
Speaker 2: at at lengths about how you know, whenever you get
Speaker 2: into the military, they give you so many different vaccines
Speaker 2: to protect you from so many different sicknesses and diseases.
Speaker 2: Every time you go into another country, that's like a
Speaker 2: different list of ingredients that are being injected into you
Speaker 2: that are obviously not normal to the system. And it's
Speaker 2: used to protect against certain things, but how it reacts
Speaker 2: once it's in your body, Your body is taking on
Speaker 2: it for an agent, and you know, I always just
Speaker 2: immediately take it back to like the COVID vaccine, like
Speaker 2: it didn't protect against anything you're injecting, you know, certain
Speaker 2: chemicals that weren't really tested for a very long time
Speaker 2: and it was part of the human experiment. But like
Speaker 2: you know, as far as even just the sprays, the
Speaker 2: deets and all these different oils that you're using to
Speaker 2: protect against sand flies. And then you go over and
Speaker 2: fucking blow up a chemical plant like, of course you're
Speaker 2: going to have some things wrong with you. This shit
Speaker 2: is not normal for us to be taken in, you know.
Speaker 3: No doubt. And I mean yeah with my experiences, like Okay,
Speaker 3: boot camp, you get ran through the gauntland, you get
Speaker 3: like thirteen vaccines in the course of about a minute
Speaker 3: and a half. Okay, fine, yes, and that's horrible enough.
Speaker 3: But before you deploy you get like seventy something vaccines
Speaker 3: as well. So I mean it's it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 3: You get restuck every time there's a new thing to stick.
Speaker 3: And people want to go on about how well in
Speaker 3: the military they they're what they're doing to our military
Speaker 3: members and blah bah bup. It's like, yeah, but the
Speaker 3: military signed away their life to the government, Like a
Speaker 3: military service member is one property of the United States government,
Speaker 3: so they can get stuck with whatever jab they want,
Speaker 3: free and independent of their quote unquote rights because they
Speaker 3: don't have anymore.
Speaker 2: That's how that works, right, right, Yeah, you're just you're
Speaker 2: their property now, so of course they're gonna, you know,
Speaker 2: have the right to stick you with whatever because and
Speaker 2: I don't think that they're doing it personally. I don't
Speaker 2: think that they're doing it to harm you whenever you're
Speaker 2: getting vaccinated or anything. I think that they honestly believe
Speaker 2: that these, you know, vaccines and things that they give
Speaker 2: you are going to be able to help protect you
Speaker 2: moving forward for a certain you know, malaria or whatever
Speaker 2: the fuck, right.
Speaker 3: But in the military, it's more like a guinea pig.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: They didn't know they did. We didn't know for sure
Speaker 3: what kind of chemical agents Saddam was fucking with. We
Speaker 3: had a couple of reasons to suspect some anthrax and
Speaker 3: some mustard gas.
Speaker 2: We didn't know.
Speaker 3: So if we had an experimental drug or an experimental
Speaker 3: vaccine that could you know, fix the effects of it
Speaker 3: before our guys even got there. Oh yeah, we were
Speaker 3: just giving it to them experimental as fuck.
Speaker 2: It sounds about right. And if you were going to
Speaker 2: experiment on any people, wouldn't it be your own property.
Speaker 2: That way, nobody can be sued and nobody can be
Speaker 2: came after or anything like that. So unfortunately, I feel
Speaker 2: like the military people would be the most experimented people
Speaker 2: in the country, like they would be experimented on more
Speaker 2: than anybody else, and.
Speaker 3: We mostly are. Now that being said, we don't know
Speaker 3: if the vaccines were the cause of the Goal War syndrome.
Speaker 3: We don't know if it was the chemical effects of
Speaker 3: things that they breeded them while they were there. We
Speaker 3: don't know if it was some other unknown thing. We
Speaker 3: have an article pulled up here from PBS dot org
Speaker 3: as a matter of fact, and this is questions for
Speaker 3: the Pentagon. We don't have to read the entire thing,
Speaker 3: but this is ten questions for the Pentagon and their
Speaker 3: official answer to these things. And I thought it was
Speaker 3: an excellent thing to bring up at this time to.
Speaker 2: Inquire into allegation that the Defense Department has engaged in
Speaker 2: a cover up in its handling of the Goal War syndrome.
Speaker 2: Frontline asked the Pentagon to respond to tenk questions. The
Speaker 2: Department's Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public
Speaker 2: Affairs replied as follows. Number one. The first question, what
Speaker 2: did the Army and Air Force learn to from pre
Speaker 2: war studies commission from the Sandia and Livermore National Laboratories
Speaker 2: about the risks of fallout from the bombings of Iraqi
Speaker 2: chemical agents storage sites? And what precautions did the US
Speaker 2: forces take to minimal or to minimize the risks? And
Speaker 2: the answer in nineteen nine, the DoD did have the
Speaker 2: Livermore Laboratory calculate probable geographic dispersal of unspecified chemicals that
Speaker 2: might be released from Iraqi territory by bombing. The study
Speaker 2: was conducted using generic information. No specific targets or types
Speaker 2: and quantities of chemicals were studied. Throughout the war, US
Speaker 2: and coalition forces were very much aware of chemical and
Speaker 2: biological threats posed by a During the air campaign, the
Speaker 2: US Air Force took precautions to ensure that coalition forces
Speaker 2: were not in the vicinity when it was conducting air
Speaker 2: attacks on known storage sites for chemical and biological weapons. Additionally,
Speaker 2: US forces were fully prepared for chemical and biological warfare
Speaker 2: if chemical weapons were used by Iraq. Forces received training
Speaker 2: in self protection, responses to exposure and were issued personal
Speaker 2: protective equipment. Prior to deployment, chemical detection equipment and operators
Speaker 2: were deployed with units down to and including squad level.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so they didn't really answer the question, did they.
Speaker 2: That's a long way of saying we did what we
Speaker 2: thought was right.
Speaker 3: I think that was that was basically it like, hey,
Speaker 3: y'aught a lad that did some analysis on this type
Speaker 3: of chemical spread from bombing. What'd you find? We basically
Speaker 3: found that everything was done according to the book. It
Speaker 3: was done by the book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So then it gets into the second question, says
Speaker 2: Combat logs compiled by officers working for General H. Norman
Speaker 2: Schwartzkoff and newspaper interviews with Czech chemical weapons specialists who
Speaker 2: served in the Gulf War show that American commanders ignored
Speaker 2: check warnings. That's like Czechoslovakia check warnings in the early
Speaker 2: days of aerial bombing that low levels of nerve and
Speaker 2: mustard gas had been detected in the vicinity of American troops.
Speaker 2: Why did American commanders react in the way react in
Speaker 2: this way to the check detections? The answer the Central
Speaker 2: Commands or sent Coom. Nuclear biological and chemical weapons logs
Speaker 2: do show that cent coomm teams did respond to check reports.
Speaker 2: There were five reports five reported check detentions during the
Speaker 2: period of January nineteenth to January twenty fourth and nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety one. Our review of KUR currently available records indicates
Speaker 2: that on January nineteenth, the Czech troops operating in support
Speaker 2: of the Saudis detected quote unquote g nerve agent in
Speaker 2: the Wadi al Batin area. The Czechs also reported mustard
Speaker 2: gas mustard agent on January twenty fourth, nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 2: after being led to a desert area by a Saudi
Speaker 2: liaison officer. The reported mustard detection was approximately one square
Speaker 2: meter located ten kilometers north of King Khalid Military Center
Speaker 2: or Military City. The other three reports of check detentions
Speaker 2: were made between January twentieth and twenty first. None of
Speaker 2: the five reported detections was able to be confirmed by
Speaker 2: US chemical detection units. However, these reported detections were inconsistent
Speaker 2: with other operational events at the time. There is no
Speaker 2: indication what caused these detections or whether they are a
Speaker 2: part of a larger issure use large any larger use
Speaker 2: of chemical weapons now not substantiated, the remaining three reports
Speaker 2: of check detentions have not been discounted. OUR investigations continued
Speaker 2: to look at these detections, although it's difficult to substantiate
Speaker 2: them some five years later. Additionally, the Sentcom logs show
Speaker 2: that coalition commanders responded to the check reports by requesting
Speaker 2: that US chemical teams monitor the area. Because the check
Speaker 2: reported detection detect detections were of such low level and
Speaker 2: were made using very sensitive equipment. Any chemical agent would
Speaker 2: have only been present for a short period of time.
Speaker 2: The agents at such a low level would have dissipated
Speaker 2: so quickly that in all cases in which US forces
Speaker 2: were called on to confirm the detections, not enough of
Speaker 2: the agent remained to confirm the check report. DoD continues
Speaker 2: the inquiry into check reported chemical detections.
Speaker 3: Okay, so apparently these Czechoslovakian authorities had some some you know,
Speaker 3: detectors that went off. They picked up something on their
Speaker 3: not a radar necessarily, but especially when you're talking about
Speaker 3: chemical agents. They probably picked up something on their their
Speaker 3: sniffers or something. They have different air monitor air quality
Speaker 3: monitors that they have, and they picked up something. Okay,
Speaker 3: I don't know how many people do much in the
Speaker 3: chemical or oil industrial refinery business. You're not gonna have
Speaker 3: one square yard of mustard gas that just flips on
Speaker 3: a little sensor somewhere and that's all. It was. In
Speaker 3: the middle of the desert. You found one square yard
Speaker 3: of mustard gas that doesn't something that naturally forms at all. Like,
Speaker 3: what are you fucking talking about, dude?
Speaker 2: Newspaper accounts quote check golf fer veterans as saying that
Speaker 2: they were informed that they informed the Defense Department for
Speaker 2: years that some of the Czech troops who served in
Speaker 2: the war were sick. Yet as recently as August of
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six, the Pentagon denied that Czech veterans were
Speaker 2: complaining of unusual health problems. Why the answer, The Czech
Speaker 2: government did not report any golf War veteran health problems
Speaker 2: until nineteen ninety six. The conclusions posted on golf Link
Speaker 2: in August of nineteen ninety six that Czech golf War
Speaker 2: veterans were not ill was based on relevant information received
Speaker 2: from the Czech Ministry of Defense in April of nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety six. It is now our understanding that Czech authorities
Speaker 2: have reopened their medical evaluation program for their golf War
Speaker 2: veterans in order to investigate these recent complaints. As in
Speaker 2: all cases of events and circumstances surrounding the Golf War,
Speaker 2: we consider all new evidence as it becomes available and
Speaker 2: will cooperate with governments of the coalition forces and their
Speaker 2: investigation into golf War related illnesses. So they're just basically saying, well,
Speaker 2: it wasn't reported until then. That's why you didn't hear
Speaker 2: about it until then.
Speaker 3: I'll give them a little bit of credence on that one.
Speaker 3: It's not that it wasn't being reported. It's just that
Speaker 3: it wasn't being reported as a new sickness because it
Speaker 3: was so new, and nobody really thought to start categorizing
Speaker 3: it in its own phylum. Everybody just kind of thought
Speaker 3: it was what it was. Maybe it's just PTSD, it's
Speaker 3: just stress, man. The new warfare is just kind of
Speaker 3: really stressing these guys out more than we thought. And
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, Like nobody thought to look at it
Speaker 3: as a new illness.
Speaker 2: Right well, it says in various statements before June nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety six, Pentagon officials denied that Iraq had stored chemical
Speaker 2: weapons in the Kuwaiti Theater of operations south of Baghdad,
Speaker 2: or that Allied troops had detected chemical weapons there. Why
Speaker 2: did the Pentagon adhere to the position for five years,
Speaker 2: even though in nineteen ninety one, US chemical detection specialists
Speaker 2: believe that they had found Iraqi nerve agents in Kuwait
Speaker 2: and United Nations inspectors found them at Chemissiya in southern Iraq.
Speaker 2: The answer Is. Both during and after the war, Iraq
Speaker 2: engaged in widespread deception with regard to where it stored
Speaker 2: its chemical agents or chemical weapons. Iraq never declared Commissi
Speaker 2: Ya I guess the city in Iraq Commisia Commissia a
Speaker 2: chemical weapons storage site. After the war in October nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety one, Iraq reported that it moved some chemical weapons
Speaker 2: to Commissia in January nineteen ninety one, and said that
Speaker 2: the weapons were blown up by Coalition forces in March
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one. Because Iraq engaged in widespread, widespread deception
Speaker 2: with regard to where it stored its chemical weapons, many
Speaker 2: reports received during this time were viewed with skepticism by
Speaker 2: government analysts who were investigating the possibility of chemical weapons
Speaker 2: or chemical exposure to American troops. When Iraq led United
Speaker 2: Nations inspectors to Commissiya site in October nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 2: the inspectors were skeptical of the Iraqi reports the Coalition
Speaker 2: troops had destroyed chemical weapons at the site. The United
Speaker 2: Nations team was unable at the time to corroborate that
Speaker 2: a demolition had occurred at Commissiya. In March nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 2: as the Iraqis claimed. In March nineteen ninety five, based
Speaker 2: on the President's directive to leave no stone unturned, the
Speaker 2: Department of Defense established the Persian Golf Investigation Team and
Speaker 2: ordered it to begin a broad review of all information,
Speaker 2: including intelligence findings and operational records, that might help explain
Speaker 2: the health problems being experienced by many golf war veterans.
Speaker 2: It was in October of nineteen ninety five that the
Speaker 2: Central Intelligence Agency asked DoD's investigation team to look into
Speaker 2: whether troops were located at the Commissia site. DoD and
Speaker 2: CIA researched the issue together, and by early nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: six had developed information that led US to believe that
Speaker 2: US troops did in fact destroy munition stored at Commissiya.
Speaker 2: Able to place the US troops in the location of
Speaker 2: the Commissia explosions, a United Nations team reinspected the site
Speaker 2: in May of nineteen ninety six. During this inspection, they
Speaker 2: documented the presence of high density poly polytheleine inserts and
Speaker 2: other material normally associated with handling in storage of chemical munitions.
Speaker 2: Based on the new information, DoD announced on June twenty
Speaker 2: first of nineteen ninety six that it appeared that a
Speaker 2: bunker at Commissia contained chemical weapons in the US forces
Speaker 2: had destroyed the bunker on March fourth, and some chemical
Speaker 2: munitions in a nearby pit on March tenth, nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 3: Okay, so real quick the operations. It took him five
Speaker 3: years to acknowledge something that happened. Okay, and this was
Speaker 3: ninety six. This took place. The events that took place
Speaker 3: happened under the Bush administration. Hw Right. This whole investigation
Speaker 3: didn't go down until ninety six, when Clayton was being
Speaker 3: inaugurated into his second term of office. Okay, so this
Speaker 3: was years after the fact. It wasn't like in the
Speaker 3: following investigation. This had to be drug out of them
Speaker 3: to even acknowledge that they bombed a place that they
Speaker 3: said that they didn't bomb, only to be discovered. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they fucking did.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: The way I look at this is that if the
Speaker 2: government had been shown to at least tried to be
Speaker 2: to have been batting a thousand on behalf of its
Speaker 2: troops and on behalf of its service members, that it
Speaker 2: was actually in favor of the well being of its
Speaker 2: own fucking people, And it showed, and it had a
Speaker 2: clean record up until this point, I might actually believe
Speaker 2: this bullshit. However, the problem is is that even just
Speaker 2: the episode that we did what a month or two
Speaker 2: ago about the POW veterans, like, they completely disregarded those people.
Speaker 2: They left them there to die. They wiped away all
Speaker 2: of the signs and signals to be able to find
Speaker 2: these people. That the new people that are being brought
Speaker 2: into the military aren't even being trained to find these signals.
Speaker 2: And so now they're absolutely fucked. And so whenever you
Speaker 2: read something like this, of course they were completely disregarding
Speaker 2: the health and welfare of their own people.
Speaker 3: But like, but why because we were sent by WE,
Speaker 3: the Royal WE, the United States military was sent to
Speaker 3: that field to bomb that weapons cash they were they
Speaker 3: were sent to destroy it, and it was destroyed. Okay, cool,
Speaker 3: But then they denied it and tried to cover up
Speaker 3: the fact that they did that. Now, why, especially if
Speaker 3: we were at war with Saddam? Why did why did
Speaker 3: it matter if we did this if it was in
Speaker 3: the in the name of war? What was the big
Speaker 3: thing behind hiding that little fact? And we will discuss
Speaker 3: it more in depth later, but put a pin in
Speaker 3: that one.
Speaker 2: You know you actually you've brought up about how Russia
Speaker 2: really has no regard for any of their service member whatsoever.
Speaker 2: They're just putting them on the front lines, right, need
Speaker 2: to be mowed they know they're going to be mowed down.
Speaker 2: It's just strength in numbers kind of situation.
Speaker 3: And I gotta say, I have fought every war ever.
Speaker 3: Look at how they did in Afghanistan. They got slaughtered.
Speaker 2: But I gotta say, it doesn't seem like the US
Speaker 2: is regarding its own servicemen very dissimilar to what Russia
Speaker 2: is regarding their men.
Speaker 3: Yes, and no, there's there's difference in.
Speaker 2: In a different way. In a different way. I'm saying, like,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 3: Russia is currently losing. I think the current estimate is
Speaker 3: somewhere around two thousand dudes a day, Right, we lost
Speaker 3: twenty thousand and twenty two years of war. Like, I mean,
Speaker 3: there's difference in scope here, bro.
Speaker 2: No, I get that. I'm just saying, it's not like,
Speaker 2: you know, our government is is valuing you know, the
Speaker 2: the our lives or anything now as much as they
Speaker 2: should be. That's that's my point that I'm trying to
Speaker 2: say that, like it should be seen as an absolute travesty.
Speaker 2: Every single time a US serviceman or woman dies, it
Speaker 2: should be seen as a fucking travesty. Yet whenever you
Speaker 2: readocuments like this, they're like, oh, well you were exposed
Speaker 2: to chemicals. Well, you know, we had a plan set
Speaker 2: in place. It's not our fault. We followed through with
Speaker 2: with our plan what our plan was supposed to be.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's just it doesn't seem
Speaker 2: like anybody's taking any kind of accountability here.
Speaker 3: But you see how that was. Even the DoD representative
Speaker 3: that answered these questions. You see how that's them talking
Speaker 3: out of both sides of their mouth. We didn't get
Speaker 3: any reports from these Czech officials saying that there was
Speaker 3: bad chemicals in the area. But also we totally bombed
Speaker 3: this area and covered up the fact that we bombed
Speaker 3: this area with harmful chemicals. But that's neither here nor there. Like,
Speaker 3: but that was the following question after it, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 2: You know, and I think that this is why, you know, uh,
Speaker 2: I know that we're living in a very different day
Speaker 2: and age as opposed to whenever this country was essentially
Speaker 2: founded back in the seventeen Like I get in. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, doesn't it fucking make more sense,
Speaker 2: especially for cases like this, that we bring back actual
Speaker 2: commanders of war as our presidents and not these goddamn
Speaker 2: politicians that have absolutely no regard for even their own wives.
Speaker 5: Look.
Speaker 3: I put it like this, and I know unpopular opinion.
Speaker 3: Sorry very sorry. You know, Native American tribes had their
Speaker 3: tribal chief, they had their their council of elders, if
Speaker 3: you will, but they also had the war chief. Now
Speaker 3: that was a different person. It could be the war
Speaker 3: chief could also be the tribal chief, sure could be,
Speaker 3: but that wasn't necessarily the case. To be a war chief,
Speaker 3: you had to do certain things. Though. Have you ever
Speaker 3: looked at the story of the last war chief of
Speaker 3: the Crow nation? No, doctor Joseph Medicine Crow. You've never
Speaker 3: heard of them.
Speaker 2: I don't believe so.
Speaker 3: Oh bro, all right, we need to do a talk
Speaker 3: about him one day. But long story short, World War two.
Speaker 3: This guy, I think it was maybe the Cherokee Nation,
Speaker 3: now I think about it, he joins, he joins the military,
Speaker 3: He goes over to Germany. And here's the deal. To
Speaker 3: be a war chief in their tribe, you have to
Speaker 3: do four things, touch an enemy combatant without killing them,
Speaker 3: we lead a successful war party, steal an enemy horse,
Speaker 3: and bring home an enemy weapon. Okay, So your boy
Speaker 3: was able to accomplish all four of these in World
Speaker 3: War two. Okay, there was one night where he actually
Speaker 3: did two and one. He led a successful war party
Speaker 3: on a Nazi installation, but they had horses because they
Speaker 3: were trying to save money and all that, and so
Speaker 3: he actually stole the horses and rode them out with
Speaker 3: the fucking Indian yelling shit. So like in all manners,
Speaker 3: he achieved and he actually took a prisoner, so he
Speaker 3: touched an enemy combatant without killing him. The whole nine.
Speaker 3: He came back and he is revered as the last
Speaker 3: war chief of that tribe. Okay. Now put that to
Speaker 3: the realm of the United States of America. I believe
Speaker 3: we should have our our garrison president, if you will,
Speaker 3: the guy that's maintaining the country and all the things.
Speaker 5: That we have.
Speaker 3: And then I also believe that we should have something
Speaker 3: of a war chief, a commander in chief, if you will,
Speaker 3: especially when we are at war. Now currently America is
Speaker 3: at peace, and that's wonderful, but if we were to
Speaker 3: be set upon or be you know, sent into some
Speaker 3: sort of a conflict. I believe we should have a
Speaker 3: war chief type of person take the reins. But that's
Speaker 3: an unpopular opinion because then it will just become a
Speaker 3: military despotism and bah.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, dude. I feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of people on the outside looking in that
Speaker 2: we're never in the military, including myself, would would look
Speaker 2: at oh, not including myself. I mean, yeah, I wasn't
Speaker 2: in the military, but I wouldn't have this opinion. But
Speaker 2: there would be some people that have the opinion that, oh, well,
Speaker 2: if we've had some commander or general or some somebody
Speaker 2: that was you know, a Navy seal or Green Beret
Speaker 2: or you know, a special operations unit or anything like that,
Speaker 2: you would the outside people looking in would say, well,
Speaker 2: they just want to be in war. That's what they like.
Speaker 2: They just want to be in war all the time.
Speaker 2: So we don't want somebody like that at the helm
Speaker 2: because they're just gonna they're gonna jump as soon as
Speaker 2: another nation says jump, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: I don't think that it's that way. I think that
Speaker 2: the people, the people that you know would be in
Speaker 2: charge that have seen actual wartime action in other countries,
Speaker 2: have seen dead bodies, have killed people, are more likely
Speaker 2: to avoid conflict.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that was what I was gonna say. Matter
Speaker 3: of fact, you said it beautifully. If you notice, if
Speaker 3: you ever meet somebody who's ever been in real fights,
Speaker 3: like real knockdown, drag out fights, they typically don't go
Speaker 3: out looking for fights, okay, because if you ever have
Speaker 3: to sit there and recover and have your face get
Speaker 3: unswollen up from something that you didn't ask for but
Speaker 3: you had to fight your way out of it or whatever,
Speaker 3: it's not something you willingly go seeking. Okay. Yes, there
Speaker 3: are those bloodthirsty savage types we call ourselves marines, okay,
Speaker 3: and yes we need those people. They exist. But most
Speaker 3: people that have seen frontline combat, and not all there
Speaker 3: are the psychos, but most would do anything and everything
Speaker 3: in their power to avoid ever going back to it.
Speaker 3: They would in a heartbeat if they had to, no doubt,
Speaker 3: but they would never willingly want to send anyone else
Speaker 3: into that environment if they could help it. That seems
Speaker 3: to be a going trend, especially with post nine to eleven.
Speaker 2: Veterans, right right. And I don't know, I just feel
Speaker 2: like people who have actually been through that kind of
Speaker 2: situation are more likely to say, you know what, dude,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. That was
Speaker 2: the scariest, most horrific thing that I've ever experienced in
Speaker 2: I don't care. I wouldn't want Ben Lauden. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: want Saddam Hussein to have to go through because that
Speaker 2: is inhumane.
Speaker 3: I put it like this, There's a reason why you
Speaker 3: don't see a lot of veterans telling their children that
Speaker 3: joining the military is a really good idea for them.
Speaker 3: You're against your son joining that's not even a me thing.
Speaker 3: That's most veterans these days, of the post nine to
Speaker 3: eleven generation, I'll say that they served, like even in
Speaker 3: the nineties that they served, they may have some of
Speaker 3: that old school you know, oh bro, it's just the best.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a good old boys club and all
Speaker 3: of that. Post nine to eleven. Dude, most of us
Speaker 3: really don't want our children joining.
Speaker 2: Well because you see it for what it is, you know,
Speaker 2: the it's not what is scracked up to be.
Speaker 3: Or their situations like this where even in the nineties
Speaker 3: when this operation took place, they were still putting them
Speaker 3: in horrible situations. That again, these guys didn't know, they
Speaker 3: didn't know what they were burning, they didn't know what
Speaker 3: they were breathing in, but then they covered it up.
Speaker 3: Let's read here question number five as a matter of fact.
Speaker 2: In March nineteen ninety four, I'm sorry, I'm still dying
Speaker 2: over here with the dam coffy?
Speaker 3: Are you and me? Read?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 2: I got it, I got it. In March nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 2: when the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs
Speaker 2: asked for the headquarters logs of General H. Norman schwartzkof
Speaker 2: relating to possible chemical detections, the Pentagon had said no
Speaker 2: such reports could be found, but a year later some
Speaker 2: of the documents were released to a veterans group. Why
Speaker 2: the logs? Why were the logs not produced for the
Speaker 2: committee in nineteen ninety four? The answer is the Senate
Speaker 2: Banking Committee requested five categories of documents in March of
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four. The second category of this request was
Speaker 2: for cent comm logs prepared during the Golf War. In
Speaker 2: April of nineteen ninety four, Stephen W. Preston, the DoD
Speaker 2: Acting General Counsel, responded to former Senator Ronald Regal, who
Speaker 2: was then chairman of the committee, in a letter stating
Speaker 2: that sent COOM conducted a search and identified no documents
Speaker 2: that met the description provided by the Senator. Moreover, mister
Speaker 2: Preston asked mister Senator Regal if he could provide a
Speaker 2: more specific description of the documents in order for Sentcom
Speaker 2: to conduct another search. We have no documentation that Senator
Speaker 2: Regal ever provided a more detailed description. Nine other documents
Speaker 2: were nevertheless provided by the provided to the Senate Baking
Speaker 2: Committee in September in nineteen ninety four. In April of
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five, under the Freedom of Information Act, the
Speaker 2: Gulf wer Veterans of Georgia requested a copy of the
Speaker 2: CENTCOM Headquarters chemical logs. Centcom conducted another search using different
Speaker 2: search criteria and found thirty six pages of nuclear, biological
Speaker 2: and chemical weapons log which they provided to the veterans organization.
Speaker 2: No pages were without it.
Speaker 3: So when the government entity asked for this paperwork, this documentation,
Speaker 3: well they asked for when we gave it to him,
Speaker 3: this random freedom of information request, oh thirty two extra
Speaker 3: pages of nuclear, chemical and biological paperwork. We forgot to
Speaker 3: add in my bad oopsie, Daisy.
Speaker 2: I can't say that I'm surprised. It's only uh oh,
Speaker 2: you know it's it's this shit is crazy, the amount
Speaker 2: of cover ups and the amount of bullshitting and lies
Speaker 2: like fucking take some accountability for once, like for fuck's sake.
Speaker 2: These people are laying their lives on the line. The
Speaker 2: least you can do is give them some kind of
Speaker 2: support and not lie like a lying liar.
Speaker 3: Lying like a lying liar. Dude, ah and I.
Speaker 2: Did it, Going number six. Some logs kept for the
Speaker 2: purpose of noting detection of chemical exposure are still missing,
Speaker 2: including those of March fourth and March tenth of nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety one, when US troops demolish chemical weapons at Commissia.
Speaker 2: Which other days are still missing? And how could the
Speaker 2: logs have been lost? The answer is the Sentcom Nuclear
Speaker 2: Biological and Chemical Weapons Log was maintained from some time
Speaker 2: in August nineteen ninety to at least March twelfth of
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one. The logs does not or the log
Speaker 2: does not include entries for August to December of nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety and the following days in nineteen ninety one, January
Speaker 2: first to the sixteenth, twenty fourth, twenty fifth, twenty eighth,
Speaker 2: and thirtieth, February third, sixth, eleventh, thirteenth and twentieth, and
Speaker 2: March second, fourth to March second, and then the fourth
Speaker 2: to the eleventh. The Office of Special Assistant of the
Speaker 2: Special Assistant for Golf wur Illness is still investigating the
Speaker 2: issues of missing entries. When our review is completed, we
Speaker 2: will announce the founding findings.
Speaker 3: Oh so there's just a conveniently no entry for the
Speaker 3: time in question.
Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, Pretty fucking convenient, if you ask me, Pretty
Speaker 2: fucking convenient. Brow number seven. The Presidential Advisory Committee on
Speaker 2: Golf four Veterans' Illness says the Defense Department did not
Speaker 2: act in good faith and has been slow and superficial
Speaker 2: in the way that it has in the way that
Speaker 2: it has investigated the possibility that American troops were exposed
Speaker 2: to Iraqi chemical agents. Your response, the answer, Most of
Speaker 2: the criticism in the pack report was in the context
Speaker 2: of what we didn't do previously. We accept those criticisms.
Speaker 2: Even before the report was released, the newly formed Office
Speaker 2: of the Special Assistant for Golf War Illnesses had begun
Speaker 2: to make extensive changes. We clearly didn't initially understand the
Speaker 2: dimensions of the problem, and our response was inadequate. The
Speaker 2: Department of Defense recognizes that the issues surrounding the Golf
Speaker 2: War illnesses are very complex. In November of nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 2: DoD greatly expanded its efforts to better understand golf War
Speaker 2: illnesses while continuing to provide effective medical care to our
Speaker 2: Golf War veterans. We have expanded the investigation team by
Speaker 2: some tenfold and initiated a proactive two way communication program
Speaker 2: between DoD and the Golf War veterans.
Speaker 3: So basically saying, we put more people and resources towards it,
Speaker 3: meaning they just got a bigger budget for it. That's
Speaker 3: all that they did. They made a new committee to
Speaker 3: investigate into this, which gets its own budget and required
Speaker 3: it gets its own amount of money, and they had
Speaker 3: to get people allotted for it. And that's all it was.
Speaker 3: It was for the paperwork of it all. But all right, cool,
Speaker 3: at least on paper, it sounds like they're doing something
Speaker 3: about it. Now, right, Let's keep on trucking.
Speaker 2: Doesn't that just piss you off? Knowing we send how
Speaker 2: many billions to another country? To aid them in a
Speaker 2: war against an a war that we're not even involved
Speaker 2: in necessarily, but yet you know, the service veterans are
Speaker 2: having to bag and plead for pennies from the government.
Speaker 2: It makes like this kind of shit. It just really
Speaker 2: chaps my ass. And I was never even in the military.
Speaker 3: As a veteran and as somebody who supports Ukraine, it's
Speaker 3: a weird gray area that I walk. I think that
Speaker 3: America should be sending resources an aid to Ukraine, especially
Speaker 3: weapons that we are going to decommission in ten years anyway,
Speaker 3: so they might as well get fired. Stuff like that
Speaker 3: makes sense to me. However, sure you.
Speaker 10: Want our good willshit, that's fine, but right, but this
Speaker 10: is a massive, massive however, right we If we're giving
Speaker 10: any money an aid to any other country but we're
Speaker 10: unable to help our citizens when they are in times
Speaker 10: of crisis, then we obviously need to redirect where our
Speaker 10: aid and where our resources are being sent.
Speaker 3: And if we are trying to do anything for some
Speaker 3: other country but we still have homeless veterans, then I
Speaker 3: say that we again need to take another look at
Speaker 3: where our resources out all that's being allocated. That's what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. I'm not against us helping other people. I'm
Speaker 3: saying we have to secure our home base first.
Speaker 2: Check our fucking priorities. You know there should be a
Speaker 2: priority list. Yeah, I don't know the next one, which
Speaker 2: is the eighth question, it says Dosher Doctor Joshua Lederberg,
Speaker 2: who headed an official inquiry by the Defense Science Task
Speaker 2: Force on Persian golf war health effects, has complained about
Speaker 2: a lack of information his panel received from the Pentagon
Speaker 2: on the check reports and other possible indications of chemical
Speaker 2: weapons exposure. You'll response. The response is the task force
Speaker 2: was provided all the information d d had at the
Speaker 2: time of their investigation. Nothing was withheld. All the information
Speaker 2: dot DoD had concerning the check reports of detection were
Speaker 2: provided to the panel. However, the significance of Commissi Yaw
Speaker 2: was not realized before June of nineteen ninety six, two
Speaker 2: years after the task Force completed its work. The task
Speaker 2: Force was established by the under Secretary of Defense for
Speaker 2: Acquisition and Technology and was charted to review all risk
Speaker 2: factors associated with golf war service. It reviewed intelligence reports,
Speaker 2: reports of chemical or biological agent detection, and other environmental
Speaker 2: exposure during the war. It reviewed scientific and medical evidence
Speaker 2: relating to exposure to nerve agents at low levels impossible
Speaker 2: long term effects, as well as other potential health consequences
Speaker 2: resulting from low level chemical exposure, environmental pollutants, Kuwaiti oil fires,
Speaker 2: endemic biologics, and other health hazards attributed to Gulf War Service.
Speaker 2: The task Force was active from February to June nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety four.
Speaker 3: You didn't know how important this site was, even though
Speaker 3: you have hailed information about how important this site was,
Speaker 3: and you didn't know about it until two years later.
Speaker 3: And then somehow right around that times when the Freedom
Speaker 3: of Information Act required that you released all of the
Speaker 3: documentation that you had on it from ninety one. All right, cool.
Speaker 2: You know, whenever I hear shit like this, it really
Speaker 2: just sounds like they're honestly just dragging their feet because
Speaker 2: there's really no real advantage or any kind of like
Speaker 2: good initiative being put forward. There's nothing you can gain
Speaker 2: from looking looking more into this kind of situation. As
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, you're probably getting more fucked if
Speaker 2: you're if you're looking more into it, you know, And
Speaker 2: this is the problem. I believe, I know, like I
Speaker 2: get it, like I'm pro capitalism all the fucking way.
Speaker 2: But this is an issue that that is poisoning capitalism.
Speaker 2: And the issue is is that if you can't make
Speaker 2: a fucking dollar off of it, we're not going to
Speaker 2: do any research into it. Meanwhile, these people are they're
Speaker 2: never going to make any kind of money off of
Speaker 2: you know, any kind of anti uh whatever, anti viral
Speaker 2: or vaccine or whatever to be able to help and
Speaker 2: h and maintain the health of your of your people
Speaker 2: that are fighting for you. There's no money to be
Speaker 2: made in that. And so that's an issue regarding cap
Speaker 2: I think that that is a capitalistic capitalistic issue. I'm
Speaker 2: not sitting here shitting on capitalism. I think that it
Speaker 2: is still the best uh version of you know, the
Speaker 2: economy and all that kind of stuff, but this is
Speaker 2: definitely a downside of it.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think capitalism is one hundred percent
Speaker 3: why this was up because you got to keep in mind,
Speaker 3: after this happened, we left Saddam in power. Okay, this
Speaker 3: is a ninety one. We didn't take him out until three.
Speaker 3: So whatever happened here had to be done in such
Speaker 3: a way to where it didn't upset the business interest
Speaker 3: in the area too much. But again I'm getting ahead
Speaker 3: of myself. We'll discuss more on that later on.
Speaker 2: Like you're not gonna find Fizer saying oh please, let
Speaker 2: you know, let us let us take the reins and
Speaker 2: help find some kind of medicine to be able to
Speaker 2: cure these people who had to go through this. Why
Speaker 2: because there's only a very limited amount. You're not exposing
Speaker 2: it to the masses, so therefore you're not gonna be
Speaker 2: able to maximize the money coming in.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a small group. It's not something you could
Speaker 3: replicate and make more money off of year over year.
Speaker 2: So I mean, eh, yeah, that's a fucking shithead move. Anyway.
Speaker 2: Moving on number nine and repeated statements, Defense Department officials
Speaker 2: have stressed that the scientific literature indicates that no chronic
Speaker 2: health effects can result from exposure to nerve agents where
Speaker 2: there are no immediate symptoms. Yet an Institute of Medicine
Speaker 2: committee that considered the scientific literature suggests that the question
Speaker 2: is far more open than settled, and it urged more
Speaker 2: study in quotes to be completed as rapidly as is feasible.
Speaker 2: Your response, this is going to be a good one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: The DD recognizes the need for additional research. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: we know we need to do more, no doubt. In
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six, we funded five million dollars in research
Speaker 2: to study the long term effects of chemical and other
Speaker 2: hazardous exposures, including low level chemical exposure. In nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 2: we plan on funding up to fifteen million on this endeavor.
Speaker 2: We plan on it on it.
Speaker 3: So real quick, fIF five million dollars and then fifteen
Speaker 3: million dollars into the study of long term effects of
Speaker 3: chemical and other hazardous exposures, ladies and gentlemen, real quick.
Speaker 3: Just I hate to burst advice bubble. Where do you
Speaker 3: think the laboratories are where American Department of Defense is
Speaker 3: doing experiments for long term effects of chemicals and hazardous exposures?
Speaker 3: Cause you can't do that on US soil. That's in humane.
Speaker 3: So just curious as we talk about like Ukraine for instance,
Speaker 3: and we were talking about all these crazy chemical biological
Speaker 3: labs that were being found and they were all being
Speaker 3: funded by American Department of Defense, Well boy, would they
Speaker 3: have those this just throwing it out stuff like.
Speaker 2: This, Yeah, yeah, it seems like it. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I just I find it very silly that you know,
Speaker 2: your I know money was a little bit different back
Speaker 2: in the nineties compared to what it is now with
Speaker 2: inflation and all that.
Speaker 5: Une.
Speaker 3: Billions were still millions, dude.
Speaker 2: Right, but five million dollars dude. If you look at
Speaker 2: some of the bills that are being passed currently, like
Speaker 2: some of the shit that has just been weaseled into,
Speaker 2: you know, uh, funding Ukraine, the war in Ukraine or whatever,
Speaker 2: it's like you'll have like a fifty million dollars or uh,
Speaker 2: you know, basically a donation to a cause that looks
Speaker 2: into the research behind you know, what are the psychological
Speaker 2: effects of changing the sex of your child? Like that's
Speaker 2: where our money is being thrown.
Speaker 3: What's ninety one though? Bro, Having a seventy five thousand
Speaker 3: dollars a year job was fucking living.
Speaker 2: Sure, but we're still talking about government money, not individual money,
Speaker 2: which is of you're still bringing in billions of dollars.
Speaker 2: Even back in the nineties, you were bringing in billions
Speaker 2: of dollars of tax revenue. And so the fact that
Speaker 2: you're only putting five million in then a measly fifteen
Speaker 2: million into looking into why are all these people having
Speaker 2: such negative health effects? And you could literally give a
Speaker 2: fuck less.
Speaker 3: It's like, but it wasn't even specifically for this. That
Speaker 3: was just we put this money towards the research of
Speaker 3: long term effects of these things. It wasn't geared towards
Speaker 3: the fucking Gulf War syndrome. It was just in that
Speaker 3: field just in general, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean.
Speaker 3: That's like saying, well, uh, did you do any research
Speaker 3: into nuclear radiation fallout? Well, we put money into nuclear. Sure,
Speaker 3: they meant nuclear subs, but like, yeah, nuclear, sure, sure.
Speaker 2: Let's get into the next question. I'm sure it's going
Speaker 2: to be wrapped up lovely, lovely. Number ten, Former Defense
Speaker 2: Secretary William J. Perry called quote unquote dead wrong what
Speaker 2: he identified as quote unquote the perception among the Defense
Speaker 2: Department is deliberately holding back information end quote about Gulf
Speaker 2: War sickness. Is there no basis for the perception and
Speaker 2: why does it exist? The answer, okay, hey, the answer.
Speaker 2: I already loved the first sentence. This is a very
Speaker 2: complex issue and there are no simple answers.
Speaker 3: We are and off with the politick and right out
Speaker 3: the gate.
Speaker 2: Right off the start. We are dealing with events that
Speaker 2: happened years ago, and with documents that have come to
Speaker 2: light through many different channels. The Gulf War involved hundreds
Speaker 2: of thousands of people and there are literally millions of
Speaker 2: pages of documents available to review. Late last year we
Speaker 2: reassessed our whole program regarding Golf War illnesses. We found
Speaker 2: we hadn't devoted sufficient resources. Oh no, shit, huh oh yeah,
Speaker 2: we have a strong enough emphasis with respect to the
Speaker 2: operational aspects of the war and the implications of those operations.
Speaker 2: The newly formed Office of Special Assistance. The newly formed
Speaker 2: Office of the Special Assistant of Golf War Illnesses has
Speaker 2: refocused our efforts to look at all operational intelligence and
Speaker 2: medical documentation with Golf wur illnesses as our primary concern.
Speaker 2: Dozens of agencies are involved in millions of dollars in research,
Speaker 2: including hundreds of researchers, are actively seeking answers to the
Speaker 2: causes of veterans of veterans illnesses. DoD is working hard
Speaker 2: to get the most accurate and complete information out as
Speaker 2: quickly as possible. We are committed to an open, thorough
Speaker 2: investigation of all facets surrounding Golf War illnesses.
Speaker 3: There you have it. The DODSA overview of the situation
Speaker 3: and I mean this was just ten questions asked to
Speaker 3: them by this one group. Now we're talking a lot
Speaker 3: about America, but again we're talking about Coalition forces. There
Speaker 3: is people all over the world with Gulf War sickness.
Speaker 3: This one's from England. As a Mara fact, Let's check
Speaker 3: this out.
Speaker 11: Scientists have investigated the cause of the so called Gulf
Speaker 11: War syndromer collection of chronic health problems that affected more
Speaker 11: than a quarter of the Coalition troops deployed during the
Speaker 11: First Gulf War in nineteen ninety one. Well, now our
Speaker 11: new study by researchers in Texas indicate the nerve gas
Speaker 11: saren is to blame.
Speaker 4: Caroline Hawley has this special report.
Speaker 12: The war to dislodgeerr arch from neighbouring Kuwait was short,
Speaker 12: but it's been described as the most toxic in history,
Speaker 12: and it's had devastating long term consequences for many of
Speaker 12: the soldiers who served, though for thirty years no one
Speaker 12: knew exactly why. Kerry Fuller was one of them, A
Speaker 12: fit twenty six year old at the time of the war.
Speaker 12: Now it's a battle for him just to get out
Speaker 12: of bed.
Speaker 13: I was getting illness after illness breathing problems, say, chronic
Speaker 13: fatigue run down all the time. And when I questioned
Speaker 13: whether it could be anything to do with my service
Speaker 13: in the Gulf or what we were exposed to, the
Speaker 13: military line was, you're talking nonsense. There's no evidence to parasit,
Speaker 13: and I'll crack on.
Speaker 12: Kerrie suffers excruciating joint and muscle pain. At night, he says,
Speaker 12: he wakes the whole house screaming. The new research blames
Speaker 12: health problems like his on the nerve agent saren that
Speaker 12: was released into the air when Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons
Speaker 12: caches were bombed. The scientist involved say, it's a breakthrough
Speaker 12: which vindicates the veterans.
Speaker 5: But the ones who became ill, our new study shows
Speaker 5: are the ones that have the weak form of a
Speaker 5: gene that normally protects you from nerve gas. So the
Speaker 5: people with the strong form of the gene that most
Speaker 5: of them did not get ill.
Speaker 12: And you say that definitively. Now, no kind of if
Speaker 12: snow butts. This is the end of the mystery as
Speaker 12: far as you're concerned.
Speaker 5: Due to all the controversy over the many studies that
Speaker 5: have been done so far, all of which had different
Speaker 5: defects of one type or another. We designed this study
Speaker 5: over a number of years to be the definitive study,
Speaker 5: to answer all of the criticisms of studies in the past,
Speaker 5: so that we would get it just right. We hope
Speaker 5: that what our findings will do will lead to a
Speaker 5: definitive treatment for this disease that would relieve them of
Speaker 5: some of these symptoms.
Speaker 12: Kerrie Fuller has not only a huge array of symptoms,
Speaker 12: including memory problems, but also an arsenal of medication to
Speaker 12: help with them.
Speaker 4: A lot.
Speaker 8: Yep ye.
Speaker 12: His daughter Rebecca to go to doctor's appointments with him
Speaker 12: because he struggles to process the information he's given. He
Speaker 12: now wants the Ministry of Defense to act on the
Speaker 12: American findings.
Speaker 13: I just hope they take it seriously and do the
Speaker 13: right thing and understand it. For most of us, it
Speaker 13: isn't about money. It's about being able to access the
Speaker 13: right medical treatment. It's not a lot to ask.
Speaker 4: For what we did.
Speaker 12: The mod says it's indebted to all those who served
Speaker 12: like Kerry, and that it's already sponsored what it called
Speaker 12: significant research.
Speaker 2: Okay, that poor guy, dude, my god, that he has
Speaker 2: to go through that shit.
Speaker 3: And I mean, it's not like Britain's known for taking
Speaker 3: care of their veterans by any means, dude, So at
Speaker 3: this time I wanted to play a little count dank
Speaker 3: you Lavidia and Kayley's a couple of minutes of it.
Speaker 3: He does a pretty good job of breaking down the
Speaker 3: Gulf War syndrome as it was affectionately known and called.
Speaker 3: And then we're going to get a little bit more
Speaker 3: into the cover up of it all, brother.
Speaker 4: The TLDR of our Sandy skirmish is it was comically
Speaker 4: one sided, with the Iraqi forces being unrepentantly mogged into
Speaker 4: submission within one hundred hours of the operations start by
Speaker 4: the completely overwhelming firepower and air superiority of the coalition forces.
Speaker 4: This is despite the fact that the Iraqi Army had
Speaker 4: the home field advantage and the numbers of which they
Speaker 4: quite literally numbered in the millions. There rickety dust Bunny
Speaker 4: T seventy two's might have been very good against an
Speaker 4: Iranian child conscript in the fields and trenches of Kuzistan,
Speaker 4: but sadly for the Iraqi Armored Corps they instead had
Speaker 4: to go manue Mano with the likes of the Abrams
Speaker 4: and challengers. That is to say, they get folded like
Speaker 4: a fucking tea towel. But due to the fact that
Speaker 4: it is the Middle East, it very quickly devolved into
Speaker 4: an asymmetric quagmire with militias and rogue units are dming
Speaker 4: coalition chads without advertising a raid fel RP. In other words,
Speaker 4: another day in the Middle East. But what we are
Speaker 4: focusing on today is those previously mentioned Basra oil sniffers.
Speaker 4: The troops whom well deployed on bases and in operations
Speaker 4: during the war started to notice things like how a
Speaker 4: good chunk of their battle buddies were weirdly coming down
Speaker 4: with a mysterious illness that only started manifesting after returning
Speaker 4: home from deployments to the dark a duca sandbox. After
Speaker 4: going through the stress, loss and tragedy of sitting in
Speaker 4: a forty degrees centigrade desert in full combat year and
Speaker 4: getting shot at for a month, these unfortunate souls instead
Speaker 4: came home to suffer even more. And I don't just
Speaker 4: mean reintegrating into cit the street. Our sufferers of interest
Speaker 4: started developing a wide variety of random symptoms without any
Speaker 4: real connecting factor. There were small things like fatigue, headaches,
Speaker 4: and insomnia, to more particular and severe issues like memory problems,
Speaker 4: joint issues, broader neurological problems, and even tumors. It's fair
Speaker 4: to say that this wasn't ideal for anyone to experience,
Speaker 4: let alone returning vets who not only had to come
Speaker 4: home from a sweltering sandpit and reacclimate to running water
Speaker 4: and air conditioning, but also now having to deal with
Speaker 4: a nondescript physical illness on top of their debilitating psychological
Speaker 4: scars from partaking in the horrors of modern war. Now
Speaker 4: you might be thinking to yourself, what in the goodness
Speaker 4: gracious caused this pestilence to befall the sorrowful servicemen? How
Speaker 4: very well spoken of you, and I agree, what the fuck?
Speaker 4: So eggheads up and adm D you put that absolutly
Speaker 4: high budget to good use, and they started theorizing as
Speaker 4: to the cause of the symptoms, not out of care
Speaker 4: for the veterans who were suffering, but because the United
Speaker 4: States saw that the Iraqis were not getting this illness,
Speaker 4: only coalition soldiers were getting it, so they were worried
Speaker 4: that this was possibly some new kind of chemical weapon
Speaker 4: being used to target their soldiers that they needed to
Speaker 4: watch out for.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I wanted to pause it and get your
Speaker 3: two cents before he goes through it. What's your thoughts
Speaker 3: on that the Iraqis weren't getting this sickness only foreigners,
Speaker 3: only coalition forces were getting this sickness. So they thought, not, hey,
Speaker 3: we need to take care of our guys. Uh oh,
Speaker 3: they got sick while they were defending our freedom and
Speaker 3: bab they thought, oh shit, they might have a long
Speaker 3: term war fair weapon type thing they're trying to use
Speaker 3: against us. What's your thoughts?
Speaker 2: First of all, my American English mind can barely comprehend
Speaker 2: what this. What is this guy Scottish? Yeah, holy shit,
Speaker 2: I'm having a hard time even retaining what he's saying
Speaker 2: because of his accent. Yeah, it's that that is a
Speaker 2: thick accent on this gentleman.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, yeah, he's laying it on.
Speaker 2: But no, I mean I like it. I think it's cool.
Speaker 2: You know, accents are awesome, and people that are listening
Speaker 2: to us assume that we also have an accent as well.
Speaker 2: But like, but I mean no, I I think that
Speaker 2: this is direct on par as to what we were
Speaker 2: talking about. Like the absolute disregard of of you know,
Speaker 2: each country's you know, uh, fighters of the war are
Speaker 2: it's you're just looking at him like fucking paper soldiers, dude,
Speaker 2: and you're treating him that way. And then whenever they
Speaker 2: come up with these sicknesses and illnesses, well you signed
Speaker 2: up for it, That's what it seems like.
Speaker 3: But I'm just I thought it was interesting that that
Speaker 3: was their reason for actually investigating it, not to help
Speaker 3: out their veterans who are ill, but because they wanted
Speaker 3: to know if this was a new type of weapon
Speaker 3: they don't know about.
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, it's the same reason why dude,
Speaker 2: literally every not every American or every person of planets
Speaker 2: Earth thinks that the whole idea around aliens coming. Like
Speaker 2: a lot of people are pretty excited if we were
Speaker 2: to see a UFO or an alien or something like that.
Speaker 2: But the government's all, we got to get to them
Speaker 2: first so we can reverse engineer it so that way
Speaker 2: we have an advantage against other countries whenever it comes
Speaker 2: to war.
Speaker 3: It's like, this is the way.
Speaker 2: Why are we always worried about that? How about we
Speaker 2: just experienced something as a humanity, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We gotta say, it's almost like you know somebody who
Speaker 2: is like extremely, extremely addicted to sex, that they find
Speaker 2: something and they want to figure out, how can I
Speaker 2: fuck this thing? You know what I'm saying. It's like,
Speaker 2: it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 3: We have to use it for warfare. We are a
Speaker 3: warring tribe. That's what we do.
Speaker 2: I get it, I get it, But that is certainly
Speaker 2: not it's not pretty. No, it's not. I mean, and
Speaker 2: I get it. That's why we're here, that's why we're
Speaker 2: the greatest country on earth, and you know, nobody really
Speaker 2: fucks with us because we got such a big military dick.
Speaker 2: I get it. But at the same time, it's like,
Speaker 2: sometimes it just goes too fucking far.
Speaker 3: Dude, No, I agree. I agree. So anyway, all right now,
Speaker 3: let's get let's listen to our boy, dank. You talk
Speaker 3: about the symptoms.
Speaker 4: For the sake of thoroughness. We will go over the
Speaker 4: least likely and straight up dead ends that they have
Speaker 4: fast before getting into the real meat. The first theory
Speaker 4: that we're tackling is the oil files that Keino jihle
Speaker 4: head scene of the oil fields on fire, raining black
Speaker 4: shout down all over them was very very cool, but
Speaker 4: apparently caused golf war syndrome, except not really, because despite
Speaker 4: the prevalence of our and bronchitis among those who breathed
Speaker 4: in that stinky air, the firefighters who were actually assigned
Speaker 4: to put out the fires, So the ones who were
Speaker 4: really in the thick of the flames and the fumes
Speaker 4: didn't get Gulf war syndrome despite being by far the
Speaker 4: most exposed to the fumes. So the oil fires definitely
Speaker 4: caused illnesses, but not Gulf war syndrome. Second theory, vaccines. Ooh,
Speaker 4: that got a little pepped up, didn't it. But let
Speaker 4: me elaborate. The Iraqi military had this nasty little tendency
Speaker 4: to put shit in their ordinances, things like missiles, munitions, etc.
Speaker 4: And one of the things that they preferred to spike
Speaker 4: their shells with was a fun little ailment called anthrax
Speaker 4: alongside botulinum toxin. You could not only enjoy the experience
Speaker 4: of getting shelled by a howitzer, but also basking the
Speaker 4: potential onset of botulism. Absolutely riveting, I know, and the
Speaker 4: US military agreed. Thus, they, alongside other coalition forces, loaded
Speaker 4: up all of their soldiers on vaccines against such maladies.
Speaker 4: The only issue is that, if you know anything about
Speaker 4: the US military, they tend to play a little bit
Speaker 4: fast and loose with pharmaceuticals, usually giving those deployed gear
Speaker 4: that will work in the moment but would also potentially
Speaker 4: fuck them up in the future. This was enough of
Speaker 4: a concern that they studied the vaccine post war and
Speaker 4: postulated that those afflicted with Gulf War syndrome had antibodies
Speaker 4: in their system meant to fight off squalen, a compound
Speaker 4: supposedly found in the anthrax vaccine. The only issue was that,
Speaker 4: upon closer investigation, it turns out that no, actually the
Speaker 4: vaccines didn't actually have any squalen in them, So the
Speaker 4: vaccine theory kind of went nowhere. Another theory that they
Speaker 4: postulated is that they blamed all of it on stress. Yeah, seriously,
Speaker 4: you know that strange, debilitating illness that you and your
Speaker 4: colleagues and uniform have all been suffering from for the
Speaker 4: past few years. Now, that's just all in your head,
Speaker 4: big guy. It's safe to say that this theory also
Speaker 4: went nowhere. One of the most popular theories was depleted
Speaker 4: uranium being used in tank munitions and the presidence of
Speaker 4: certain pesticides and other such nasty Heisenberg shit in the air.
Speaker 4: What got them on the right track in the end
Speaker 4: was the realization that indeed a lot of that Heisenberg
Speaker 4: shit bore vague similarities to the chemical and biological weapons.
Speaker 4: After all, it wasn't like the Iraqis were opposed to
Speaker 4: using such agents. They had used them before a bunch
Speaker 4: of times. See the Iraq Iran prequel series and our
Speaker 4: fun little Anthrax missile filler episode for more details on that.
Speaker 4: And let me tell you that Ran Iraq arc was
Speaker 4: a little bit fucking crazy, with trench warfare, child soldiers,
Speaker 4: and yes, chemical weapons in steps the Regal Report, a
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety four dossier that basically claims that during the
Speaker 4: opening acts of the operation, whilst they scramble for air
Speaker 4: superiority was underway, apparently, coalition forces were exposed to a
Speaker 4: constant stream of low level, non lethal doses from chemical
Speaker 4: and biological agents, including Saren and mustard gas. It reallys saren.
Speaker 4: Fucking Saren, the nerve agent that can kill a person
Speaker 4: instantly by essentially shutting down their entire nervous system just
Speaker 4: by taking a couple of breaths of it. Ay, the
Speaker 4: troops were exposed to all of that at very low
Speaker 4: levels alongside fucking mustard gas like it was nineteen sixteen.
Speaker 4: According to the report, all of the chemicals in the
Speaker 4: air was in part due to the bombing of thirty
Speaker 4: four separate facilities across Iraq, with those sites being eighteen
Speaker 4: chemical facilities, twelve biological facilities, and four nuclear facilities. So
Speaker 4: all of that shit was flying up into the air,
Speaker 4: all mixing together into probably the worst ever chemical cocktail
Speaker 4: ever devised by mankind, and was being breathed in by
Speaker 4: the soldiers, but it was diluted in the atmosphere enough
Speaker 4: to not cause instant death but very long term health problems.
Speaker 4: One of the sites bombed that was well documented was
Speaker 4: a humble little patch of sands southeast of Baghdad called Camisia.
Speaker 4: Camisia was host to a munitions dumb for the Iraqi military,
Speaker 4: creatively called the Tel al Lamb Ammunition Storage Facility. It
Speaker 4: was a series of eighty eight bunkers. As the name suggests,
Speaker 4: it was a spot to stow away and store all
Speaker 4: of the ammunition that they had to use, which is
Speaker 4: something you never really think about, you know. Logistics are
Speaker 4: everything in a war, and due to the nature of
Speaker 4: this installation, it was a prime target for coalition forces.
Speaker 4: If the enemy don't have bullets, they can't fight. Simply enough, really,
Speaker 4: ammo stores are always a prime target. So as a result,
Speaker 4: a detachment of combat engineers and the US EOD team
Speaker 4: is sent in to scope it out and completely level it.
Speaker 4: They meander in, they set up their gear, and they
Speaker 4: do their thing. They did it so well that it
Speaker 4: made a small mushroom cloud, which is pretty cool. I
Speaker 4: wonder why it's so dark and brooding. Unbeknownst to our
Speaker 4: Yankee wrecking crew, one of the bunker's bunker seventy three
Speaker 4: actually housed missiles laced with you guessed it, chemicals like saren.
Speaker 4: So when the bunker get wiped, all of the munitions
Speaker 4: went with it. Suddenly that massive stockpile of stinky missiles
Speaker 4: was at and the particles were airborne with a gust
Speaker 4: of wind. It was diluted and dispersed across the country.
Speaker 4: You can see where it goes from here, squadies in
Speaker 4: the vicinity breathing the monkey air. Bad things happen, repeat
Speaker 4: this across multiple sites in the country, and you've got
Speaker 4: a real phenomena at work, and since the Iraqi army
Speaker 4: and local civilians usually bailed the fuck out of those
Speaker 4: areas when the Coalition troops rolled in, and the Coalition
Speaker 4: troops were usually the ones closest to these sites because
Speaker 4: they were the ones blowing them up and then hanging
Speaker 4: around them after the explosion. That kind of explains how
Speaker 4: local Iraqi civilians and soldiers seemed to just never get
Speaker 4: Gulf War syndrome, but the Coalition soldiers did, so that
Speaker 4: might explain the mystery as to why it was only
Speaker 4: the Coalition soldiers who were getting this illness. But it's
Speaker 4: not really on the Coalition to a point, because it
Speaker 4: seems Iraq just fucking loved chemically agents, so it's not
Speaker 4: too surprising that that stuff would be all over the place. Still,
Speaker 4: I can't help but wonder as to how the EOD
Speaker 4: teams didn't realize that they were about to blow up
Speaker 4: a literal botulism bomb. And the American Army did what
Speaker 4: it does best, They told the veterans.
Speaker 14: Oh, we're saweye, but no, you can't file for military
Speaker 14: disability now. It's not our fault that the symptoms took
Speaker 14: years to show. Saw wee here's two parastamol and even sorry,
Speaker 14: and even to this day, golf war veterans are still
Speaker 14: suffering from this sickness. For some guys, their condition improved slightly,
Speaker 14: but for others it just progressively got worse, to the
Speaker 14: point where psychological issues, self harm, and suicide rates amongst
Speaker 14: Golf war veterans are much much higher compared to veterans
Speaker 14: of other conflicts because of the absolute smargus board of
Speaker 14: chemicals that they were all breathing in, completely destroying their
Speaker 14: baldies a domains.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I think he did a pretty solid job
Speaker 3: of explaining the situation as it stands. Before we talk
Speaker 3: about this Ted talk where she talks a little bit
Speaker 3: more about the veteran outreach and all these things. Jonathan,
Speaker 3: what are your thoughts?
Speaker 2: Well, I just think it's very unfortunate the whole series
Speaker 2: of events, you know. I think, look, there's gonna be
Speaker 2: things that happen in war that you can't imagine are
Speaker 2: going to happen, right, Like, not everybody has a crystal ball.
Speaker 2: You don't know that a like an ammunition facility is
Speaker 2: going to be housing some kind of chemical agents. I
Speaker 2: get that, Like nobody can look into the future like that.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it doesn't matter what happens. Yes, like,
Speaker 2: if you knowingly, like no, going into the situation that
Speaker 2: this place is gonna be housing certain chemicals, then maybe
Speaker 2: don't send your fucking people there. But also if you
Speaker 2: didn't know about that going forward, and then they word
Speaker 2: DOUST with all these chemicals and stuf stuff like that, Still,
Speaker 2: how about how about fund to help like bring these
Speaker 2: people back to health. Whenever they come in contact do
Speaker 2: they start having some kind of symptoms like that to
Speaker 2: me is the ultimate slap in the face of the
Speaker 2: people that are fighting for you and helping maintain your
Speaker 2: fucking level of freedom over here.
Speaker 3: See all right, So the general that sent the EOD
Speaker 3: team out there, right, the guy who may or may
Speaker 3: not have known that there was chemical agents being stored there,
Speaker 3: I could tell you now, the EOD team out there,
Speaker 3: the sergeants that were out there actually reading up the explosives,
Speaker 3: they didn't know that that was a botulism bomb. They
Speaker 3: don't know what an anthrax bomb looks like. They know
Speaker 3: what explosives looks like. That's their job, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. That's like as a grunt, I couldn't tell
Speaker 3: you by sound alone what that weapon in the distance
Speaker 3: being fired is. My job is to go and stop
Speaker 3: it from being fired. That's my job. Okay, you see
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So, like the guys in the field
Speaker 3: that were blowing it up, the enlisted men that were
Speaker 3: getting hit with these chemicals, I guarantee they had no
Speaker 3: fucking clue. They were sent to this weapons cash and
Speaker 3: they were just told to destroy all of the ordinance
Speaker 3: that they find there. Ten folk got too roger that
Speaker 3: that was about it. And then they get sent there.
Speaker 3: They blow it up as they do, and they realize
Speaker 3: pretty quickly, Wow, that is a black mushroom cloud from
Speaker 3: a bomb that I just blew up. And I don't
Speaker 3: know much, but I know what color smoke the bombs
Speaker 3: I blow up are supposed to make, and it's not
Speaker 3: supposed to be that and cool. But then they don't
Speaker 3: just get to high tail it out of there. They
Speaker 3: gotta sit, They gotta stand the fuck by. They gotta
Speaker 3: hurry up and wait right So they gotta wait there
Speaker 3: until they get cleared hot to come back to base.
Speaker 3: They got to make sure that all the ordinance is
Speaker 3: disposed of, and if not, they got to go back
Speaker 3: and do more, so they have to hang out and
Speaker 3: stick around, so they're breathing in this shit god knows what,
Speaker 3: and then come to find out super low levels. It's
Speaker 3: not instantly toxic, but it's absolutely toxic. Super low level
Speaker 3: of seren gas, anthrax, mustard gas, all of this shit,
Speaker 3: and not to mention potentially nuclear agents. Multiple nuclear, multiple chemical,
Speaker 3: and multiple biohazard sites were bombed in this air raid.
Speaker 2: Dude, I'm not gonna lie. Every time I hear the
Speaker 2: word anthrax, it makes me think of that Eminem song
Speaker 2: whenever he goes you want what you can't have? Ohgro,
Speaker 2: that's too damn bad. Don't touch what you can't grab.
Speaker 2: End up with two backhands, put Anthrax on that tampex
Speaker 2: and slap you till you can't stand I every time
Speaker 2: I hear fucking Anthrax, I think of that song.
Speaker 3: I think of the metal band Anthrax.
Speaker 2: Up that too.
Speaker 5: But you're just me.
Speaker 2: You're more into that metal shit than I am. I
Speaker 2: enjoy it, but I'm.
Speaker 3: So different you and I it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I grew up on fucking Eminem and so that's
Speaker 2: just tattooed into my mind.
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, yes, indeed, all right now, let's go ahead
Speaker 3: and listen to this this Ted talk. Is it from
Speaker 3: six years ago? Five six years ago? And let's hear
Speaker 3: what they have to say about this Gulf War syndrome
Speaker 3: and what's being done today with it.
Speaker 15: On November third, twenty seventeen, in Tampa, Florida, hundreds of
Speaker 15: veterans gathered because they are angry that to this day,
Speaker 15: doctors at VA hospitals still don't know how to properly
Speaker 15: diagnose golf war illness. They don't tie the symptoms together,
Speaker 15: they don't put it together. And so they gathered on
Speaker 15: their own accord to educate doctors, inviting in care providers
Speaker 15: and taping the symposium so that they could educate other
Speaker 15: VA providers throughout the country. Just how many veterans are sick?
Speaker 15: Two hundred and fifty thousand of the seven hundred thousand
Speaker 15: veterans who served in the Persian Golf War are sick
Speaker 15: chronically ill with symptoms of golf war illness. That's a
Speaker 15: rate of one in three.
Speaker 3: All right, hold on before she continues, Jonathan, one in
Speaker 3: fucking three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that ain't a couple of crackpots that are searching
Speaker 2: for a handout. That's not what is going on here.
Speaker 3: It's not even like it's a little bit oh well,
Speaker 3: it's a little insomnia. Oh, they just have a little
Speaker 3: trouble sleeping. Bro One in three deployed military members are
Speaker 3: suffering from a sickness that the government A didn't acknowledge
Speaker 3: was real. B Just disregarded that they had any involvement
Speaker 3: with giving it to them. And then c are still
Speaker 3: just kind of fumbling around in the dark to give
Speaker 3: them any benefits to help them.
Speaker 2: Now again, if you didn't know and you didn't have
Speaker 2: the information, that's understandable. But here we are in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four and these people are still fucking going through
Speaker 2: this and they have not received any kind of assistance
Speaker 2: nor has there been any real in depth research in
Speaker 2: regards to their fucking health. That's that's absurd that this
Speaker 2: is still happened twenty seventeen. That they had to get
Speaker 2: together to try to make something happen on their own.
Speaker 2: The veteran community had to make this happen, not the VA.
Speaker 2: Right then COVID hit. What do you think I think
Speaker 2: the government did or do you think they even care
Speaker 2: about this?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: No, dude, there was no money to be made off
Speaker 2: of it. Let's keep going fucking dirty rags is how
Speaker 2: they're seeing them on.
Speaker 15: The vaccine botulum and anthrax were suspended in a substance
Speaker 15: called squalen. We now know that squaling has a high neurotoxicity,
Speaker 15: resulting in none other than stomach cramps, nausea, vomiting, muscle pain,
Speaker 15: neurological toxicity tremors. We find squalen in many different types
Speaker 15: of vaccines. It's also curious that both deployed and non
Speaker 15: deployed veterans who received these vaccines also have the same
Speaker 15: neurological symptoms. The pills you see here are called in
Speaker 15: the field PB pills or pyrostigmid bromide. These pills were
Speaker 15: supposed to be an antidote to the sign or psych
Speaker 15: glossarin gas that could be unleashed by Saddam Hussein onto
Speaker 15: our troops. Veterans had the fear put in them that
Speaker 15: if they didn't take the PEB pill they could suffocate,
Speaker 15: that they could bleed out, that they could just die
Speaker 15: right there in the field. And yet there's a fine
Speaker 15: print warning that these have not been FDA approved, nor
Speaker 15: had they been field tested. So essentially troops were ordered
Speaker 15: to take these pills that had not been FDA approved,
Speaker 15: as the Pentagon had sought a waiver in the name
Speaker 15: of national defense to administer these vaccines and pills to
Speaker 15: our troops. This is a direct violation of the Nuremberg Code,
Speaker 15: which states that you cannot experiment upon a vulnerable population
Speaker 15: who has no right to inform consent in that moment,
Speaker 15: as they are in the theater of war. And yet
Speaker 15: this happened. The burning oil fires, the deet that sprayed
Speaker 15: their encampments, the pesticides, which one of those possible causes
Speaker 15: could it be? In Bagdad Express Author Joel Turnipseed, who
Speaker 15: served with the six Marine Division Transport, recalled that his
Speaker 15: superior officers threatened them that if they didn't take the pills,
Speaker 15: they'd lose their insurance, they'd be put on latrine duties,
Speaker 15: so they'd better take the things they were being ordered.
Speaker 15: Navy corman Krista Grenier testified that while giving the pills
Speaker 15: in the field per her orders, she was simultaneously ordered
Speaker 15: to destroy the record to whom she had given those pills,
Speaker 15: and she testified that to this very day, she still
Speaker 15: doesn't know why she needed to destroy the medical records
Speaker 15: of those who received these pills, and she is not
Speaker 15: the only Navy corman who has testified to this effect.
Speaker 8: How real was this threat.
Speaker 15: Of biological weapons. We certainly heard about it, We certainly
Speaker 15: worried about it.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 15: Senator Regal wanted to know as he was chair of
Speaker 15: the House Urban Committee Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs, And
Speaker 15: the Regal Report has become a very famous report that
Speaker 15: in nineteen ninety four did find that the United States
Speaker 15: had indeed sold these formulas for these very biological weapons
Speaker 15: to none other than Iraq during the Iran Iraq War
Speaker 15: when Iraq was our ally. That's how we knew what
Speaker 15: could possibly be utilized against our troops. That's how we
Speaker 15: began to formulate vaccinations. In March of nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 15: we bombed a biological weapons storage facility at Kamisaya, and
Speaker 15: a toxic plume which described now by veterans as the ploom,
Speaker 15: came across large portions of the theater. And for years,
Speaker 15: the government's take on this was that it was isolated,
Speaker 15: that it only was in a certain area and only
Speaker 15: certain units were exposed. But we now know that that
Speaker 15: was not true, that this toxicity because of the wind
Speaker 15: and because of the environmental factors, went all over the theater.
Speaker 15: And in fact, we have Linda Everhardt who was on
Speaker 15: a ship, the hospital ship Comfort in the middle of
Speaker 15: the Gulf, who recalls walking outside and smelling toxicity in
Speaker 15: the air and knowing that there was a chemical attack.
Speaker 15: Although alarms would sound in the field and troops would
Speaker 15: be worn to don their mission oriented Protective Posture or
Speaker 15: MOTT forgear, which involves a charcoal suit and a gas mask,
Speaker 15: many times they were then ordered, oh, that was a
Speaker 15: false alarm. Now troops are wondering how many of those
Speaker 15: alarms were real and how many times were they indeed
Speaker 15: to chemicals. What's worse is that we waged a nuclear war.
Speaker 15: The Persian Gulf War was a nuclear war. The United
Speaker 15: States continues to coat its weapons that we shoot from
Speaker 15: airplanes and tanks with depleted uranium. What is depleted uranium anyway, Well,
Speaker 15: you can see behind me.
Speaker 3: These are.
Speaker 15: Nuclear plumes. Uranium is a heavy toxic metal. It has
Speaker 15: a four hundred thousand year half life. It causes genetic
Speaker 15: birth effects and alterations, elevations and alterations in hormonal balance.
Speaker 15: It's a nuclear weapon, and it was utilized and prolifically
Speaker 15: without warning, and the Pentagon admits that they have used
Speaker 15: it in both Iraq wars and estimated that three hundred
Speaker 15: and twenty metric tons have been left in the environment
Speaker 15: surrounding Iraq, but the International Order of Physicians against the
Speaker 15: Proliferation of Nuclear War estimates it's more like a thousand
Speaker 15: metric tons. At the Basra Hospital, which is very close
Speaker 15: to the famous Highway of Death, which is where the
Speaker 15: United States and Coalition forces had bombed the retreating Iraqi
Speaker 15: civilians and army, there are high concentrations of uranium. Doctors
Speaker 15: report that at least twice a month a baby is
Speaker 15: born in Basra with severe birth defects. Some of the
Speaker 15: common defects that are seen are a syndrome known as
Speaker 15: gerlain Bar syndrome. This syndrome results in microkophyala, missing limbs,
Speaker 15: misplaced displaced or missing organs, and club feet in the
Speaker 15: babies who are born with this disorder. Babies born of
Speaker 15: troops returning from Iraq also have this disorder.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I agree with a couple of things that
Speaker 3: she said. Well, she said a lot, So let's just
Speaker 3: unpack it from the top down. Here Okay, So starting
Speaker 3: with the depleted uranium, Now, I don't believe that that
Speaker 3: classifies this as a nuclear war. The depleted uranium that
Speaker 3: she's talking about is what's used in armor piercing rounds,
Speaker 3: which is fired from our tanks at other tanks. Iraq
Speaker 3: during this war was said to have the fourth largest
Speaker 3: tank army on Earth. So yes, we were using a
Speaker 3: lot of armor piercing rounds at this time. So that whatever. Now,
Speaker 3: the opposite side of that is that to say that
Speaker 3: a thousand metric tons of depleted uranium has been left
Speaker 3: in the area since Now, okay, you have my attention.
Speaker 3: That's not just a few rounds. That's that's a lot
Speaker 3: of rounds.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of rounds man. The fact that they
Speaker 2: are covering that up. I mean, we know, like people
Speaker 2: who go out to war or who are in the military,
Speaker 2: you're receiving a maximum amount of vaccine. And then the
Speaker 2: people who end up having like birth effects on their
Speaker 2: children as a result of said vaccines that are ultimately
Speaker 2: just experimental. It's like, it's it's it's so unfortunate that
Speaker 2: shit happens. But then you got people coming from this
Speaker 2: whole Gulf Wars situation with all the chemicals that are
Speaker 2: involved in people like these babies are being born with
Speaker 2: our fucking limbs.
Speaker 3: Like, now, oh yeah, well that's the thing.
Speaker 4: Though.
Speaker 3: We gave Saddam the ability and the chemicals to make
Speaker 3: this weapons to fight Iran. That was something that we did.
Speaker 3: We created the bad guy. He then used it against
Speaker 3: his Kurdish population to the north, and we stood by
Speaker 3: and let it happen because we couldn't stop him after
Speaker 3: we just gave him the new toy, right, and everybody
Speaker 3: looked at America, Why won't America stop Saddam from from
Speaker 3: chemically altering and harming these people? Blah blah blah, and
Speaker 3: it's like we couldn't. We had to turn our blind
Speaker 3: eye to it because we were literally the ones that
Speaker 3: gave it to him in the first place. Bro, we
Speaker 3: taught the caveman fire, Well, we're gonna we're gonna stop
Speaker 3: him from burning shit.
Speaker 2: Where are the fucking plug, dude, you know ex likely
Speaker 2: And then we're and then we're like, oh, well, I mean,
Speaker 2: I can't believe that he would do that to these
Speaker 2: other people. And it's like the other side part of me,
Speaker 2: a part of me just looks at it like, all right, well,
Speaker 2: maybe we gave that chemical compound or whatever to Saddam
Speaker 2: because it was a cheap thing to make and they
Speaker 2: were able to afford that kind of chemical agent. It's
Speaker 2: ultimate warfare. You're trying to do it at the UH
Speaker 2: really on a small budget so that you can extend,
Speaker 2: you know, if the war has to go for a
Speaker 2: very long time. You don't want to, you know, use
Speaker 2: up all your money or whatever. I get it. But
Speaker 2: to a certain level, it's like.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a reason why we can't use them. The
Speaker 3: Geneva Convention says we can't use those. However, Iraq didn't
Speaker 3: sign that agreement, and so when the time came and
Speaker 3: they were fighting an enemy of America, they can use
Speaker 3: chemical warfare. Now, we don't want to give them nukes,
Speaker 3: of course, so that that would be fucking crazy. But
Speaker 3: to give him something else that is as lethal, that's
Speaker 3: not a nuke that they we didn't give them. Hey,
Speaker 3: they did that. They figured out on their own, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Whatever, Like there was plausible deniability
Speaker 3: enough to where it was like, eh, whatever, But think
Speaker 3: about that too, now, dude. That means that at these
Speaker 3: weapons storage facilities, we knew what he had because we
Speaker 3: gave it to him. I mean, these EOD guys in
Speaker 3: the field that were blowing it up, the guys at
Speaker 3: the top could have given him a heads up or hey,
Speaker 3: here's how you properly dispose of this type of thing
Speaker 3: that you're gonna find at this place. We had the intel, dude,
Speaker 3: we had satellites.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It's not like it's above the string polers of the
Speaker 2: American military or of the government. It's not like it's
Speaker 2: above us to hand out some kind of chemical agent
Speaker 2: to be able to fight some certain adversaries. I mean,
Speaker 2: I just think about, like, what was it the std
Speaker 2: blankets that we gave the fucking Native Americans?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the syphilist blankets? The syphilis? Was it tuberculosis? Maybe?
Speaker 3: But we the Tuskegee Experiments is when we gave the
Speaker 3: that group syphilis and then just gave him Thailand all
Speaker 3: for years and years just to see.
Speaker 2: That's what it was. I got, I got the things
Speaker 2: mixed up. But even still, it's like, I mean, there's
Speaker 2: just no regard for humanity at this point, and it's
Speaker 2: fucking it's sad, you know, And honestly, it like that
Speaker 2: kind of shit. Really, like if you haven't already lost
Speaker 2: some kind of respect for the people that are in
Speaker 2: charge of certain warfare, it's like that is I mean, look,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to see anybody die personally,
Speaker 2: Like not that I'm anti I'm not anti war. I
Speaker 2: know I say that. But you can't be anti door.
Speaker 2: I totally get that. You you. Unfortunately, war is necessary
Speaker 2: in some certain situations.
Speaker 3: But the most effective way of solving problems throughout the
Speaker 3: course of human history.
Speaker 2: I get it. It's unfortunate that it's true, but like,
Speaker 2: but I don't know, dude, it's just, you know, the
Speaker 2: the lengths at which they're willing to take it is
Speaker 2: just fucking inhumane.
Speaker 3: I agree, I agree, But now let's talk about that
Speaker 3: the lengths right, Because the Goal War was also kind
Speaker 3: of an interesting one. It is arguably the only time
Speaker 3: where the might of the US military was unleashed, unchained
Speaker 3: because by the time that the politicians had the opportunity
Speaker 3: to talk about it, it was over. We had wrapped
Speaker 3: it up in one hundred hours, give or take. And
Speaker 3: the reason behind that was because basically America hadn't had
Speaker 3: a chance to have a forward offensive operation since Vietnam. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we had a couple of things throughout the eighties, and
Speaker 3: you want to talk about Kosovo, you want to talk
Speaker 3: about Bosnia. There was some stuff, but not to the
Speaker 3: level of a full frontal assault from the United States military,
Speaker 3: and especially not a NATO coalition group like this. So
Speaker 3: we pretty much just went fucking ham And again we
Speaker 3: thought that this was going to be a fight to
Speaker 3: the fourth largest tank army on Earth, and all this
Speaker 3: funding and bump up, up, up, we didn't realize that
Speaker 3: the tanks weren't all operating or operational excuse me, or
Speaker 3: it would even be moved. We didn't know that half
Speaker 3: of them were anchored to the ground and were basically
Speaker 3: just turrets. We didn't know that half of them didn't
Speaker 3: have AMMO in them. We didn't know so many things,
Speaker 3: but we found out very quickly. Within one hundred hours,
Speaker 3: as a matter of fact, is how quickly we found
Speaker 3: this out. But you know that being said, she brought
Speaker 3: up something that the Highway of death, Jonathan, have you
Speaker 3: ever heard of the Highway of death?
Speaker 2: I mean, I always call it the Autobahn, but I
Speaker 2: have a feeling that that's not what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: It's not, let's go ahead and learn about the Highway
Speaker 3: of Death. In the Desert Storm Gulf War era, a.
Speaker 16: Long column of Iraqi troops, loaded down with military equipment
Speaker 16: and stolen gold, beat a hasty retreat out of Kuwait.
Speaker 16: They fled along the road to Basra, now better known
Speaker 16: as the Highway of Death.
Speaker 17: The head of the Kuwaiti underground called me and he
Speaker 17: said they're leaving. He was crying. I started crying, and
Speaker 17: then we said we need to stop this exodus because
Speaker 17: this is military capability which may be turned around and
Speaker 17: brought back into play in a few years.
Speaker 18: The Iraqis that were in Kuwait, from the top person
Speaker 18: to the lowest person, were the most brutal individuals that
Speaker 18: societies had to deal with since World War Two. So
Speaker 18: when the call came that they were taking their equipment
Speaker 18: and cars and trucks in exity, I called Colonel bull
Speaker 18: Baker and I said, I want you to get twelve
Speaker 18: aircrews and I want you to personally take them to
Speaker 18: the airplane. Tell them they only have to do one thing.
Speaker 18: Go to Kuwait City, go north on Highway six and
Speaker 18: stopped the convoy.
Speaker 16: F fifteen e's boxed the convoy in by bombing vehicles
Speaker 16: at the front and the end of the column. Then
Speaker 16: bombers and helicopter gunships went down the two mile long
Speaker 16: line of traffic and methodically brew up every single vehicle.
Speaker 16: It was one of the most controversial events of the war.
Speaker 6: There were some Iraqis who were killed, but I was
Speaker 6: there at that point when the Iraqi truck engines were
Speaker 6: still running. Nobody in them, but the engine was running,
Speaker 6: so they weren't stupid. They had seen air coming down
Speaker 6: the goalam and they'd bailed out and escaped over in
Speaker 6: the marsh and ultimately made their way back into Iraq,
Speaker 6: So it really wasn't the Highway of death per se.
Speaker 19: That was the most horrible scene I've ever seen in
Speaker 19: my life, that the old incancy is destroyed equipment and courses.
Speaker 19: Few meters away from me, there was a.
Speaker 20: Tank covered with corpses, still freshly killed. Their blood was dripping,
Speaker 20: and it was the whole tank was covered with corpses
Speaker 20: and blood.
Speaker 16: Faced with the grim results, some wondered if overwhelming force
Speaker 16: had mutated into overkill.
Speaker 17: That created a sense that we were beating up on
Speaker 17: these Iraqis who were just simply trying to flee the battlefield.
Speaker 17: It did not convey the sense about defanging the Iraqis
Speaker 17: sufficiently so that they'd stay in their box at least
Speaker 17: ten years. So I had no problem with what we
Speaker 17: did on the so called Highway of Death or destruction.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 3: Look at all of those shelled out cars.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like whenever you see shit like this.
Speaker 2: Of course, people that are coming back after, you know,
Speaker 2: having to experience this high spectacle, your life's gonna be
Speaker 2: a little fucking fractured, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 2: psychologically that would fuck you up seeing this shit in
Speaker 2: real life, Oh.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Bro. But with that being said, remember
Speaker 3: this is what that lady said. This is bogram this
Speaker 3: or I've probably butchered in the ways pronounced. But this
Speaker 3: is where they're saying that, like so every so often
Speaker 3: a kid has born with these crazy defects. She is
Speaker 3: postulating that it's because of all the depleted uranium in
Speaker 3: the ground from this bombardment. Dude, Now did you hear
Speaker 3: what he said? Due two miles of cars and equipment. Basically,
Speaker 3: this was when the war was kicking off, right. Kuwait,
Speaker 3: poor little Kuwait, who was an ally of America just
Speaker 3: got ransacked by Iraq. They were annexing it, very very
Speaker 3: similar to how Russia did to Crimea and how Russia's
Speaker 3: doing to Ukraine right now. And they're like, yo, we
Speaker 3: don't want to be a part of Iraq. We're our
Speaker 3: own nation and we're good with that. And Saddam's like, no, no,
Speaker 3: you're meant to be with us. This is clearly traditionally,
Speaker 3: this is the way the map's always been written. All
Speaker 3: the shit, all the stuff we hear from these dictator types. Cool,
Speaker 3: And they just ransacked a spot. And if you actually
Speaker 3: look at the city that that convoy was leaving, they
Speaker 3: just got done doing some horrible, horrible atrocities to humanity
Speaker 3: from where they were leaving. Two coming back into Iraq
Speaker 3: down this highway. Your boy calls up and is like, hey,
Speaker 3: you got one job. Eliminate the convoy roger that fucking
Speaker 3: two miles of NonStop just blowing the shit out of
Speaker 3: them so much though, that became the Highway of death.
Speaker 2: My god, that is such a sight to see, just
Speaker 2: even this one picture of the part of the highway.
Speaker 2: You know, you said it was two miles.
Speaker 3: Two miles and literally every single vehicle on the road
Speaker 3: for those two miles, which again it's not like there
Speaker 3: was tons of vehicles on the road that were civilians.
Speaker 3: This was all bad guys. There were a few civilians
Speaker 3: that were killed, and my boy here on Warfronts is
Speaker 3: going to talk about that. But it wasn't like there
Speaker 3: was like school buses full of kids and stuff like. No,
Speaker 3: it was the middle of the night and this one
Speaker 3: convoy that we're all riding at high speeds very close together. God,
Speaker 3: lit the fuck up.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess all is fair in love and war,
Speaker 2: as they say.
Speaker 3: Correct, correct, Actually know what I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 3: try to reshare because we are having issues with our
Speaker 3: sound and the sharing on this episode for some reason,
Speaker 3: because I don't know we're on something.
Speaker 2: I guess they don't want you to know this.
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and hear about it. From Warfronts.
Speaker 21: On February the twenty seventh, nineteen ninety one, General Norman Schwartzkov,
Speaker 21: the Commander in chief of United States Central Command and
Speaker 21: leader of the Coalition forces in the Golf Theater, ordered
Speaker 21: a massive aerial bombardment of the fleeing army. Now this
Speaker 21: might sounds at first like a mistake. The army was fleeing.
Speaker 21: Surely the war was won. There was no need to
Speaker 21: attack the army as they left Kuwait. They posed no
Speaker 21: threat to anyone at this point. However, the soul were
Speaker 21: fleeing in their trucks and taking their equipment back to Iraq.
Speaker 21: The Coalition did not want sad Arma's forces to be
Speaker 21: able to reuse these tanks, miss our launchers, trucks and
Speaker 21: more in the future. General Schwarzcoff himself said as much
Speaker 21: in an interview with PBS, quoting here, the first reason
Speaker 21: why we bombed the highway coming out of Kuwait is
Speaker 21: because there was a great deal of military equipment on
Speaker 21: that highway. And again I'd given orders to all my
Speaker 21: commanders that I wanted every piece of Iraqi equipment that
Speaker 21: we possibly could destroyed, because if we destroyed that Iraqi
Speaker 21: military equipment, that was equipment that would not be around
Speaker 21: for them to use later on. General truck Horner, the
Speaker 21: Coalition Air Force commander at the time, had a similar
Speaker 21: sentiment in a story he told to a documentary crew.
Speaker 21: He said, the head of the Kuwaiti underground called me
Speaker 21: and said they're leaving.
Speaker 2: He was crying.
Speaker 21: I started crying, and then we said we need to
Speaker 21: stop this exodus because this was military capability which maybe
Speaker 21: turned around and brought back into play in a few years.
Speaker 21: This made the fleeing column of vehicles a justified military
Speaker 21: target for the Coalition in their rules of engagement. The
Speaker 21: Coalition took full advantage of this fact, and the results
Speaker 21: were absolutely devastating for the fleeing Iraqi Army. Coalition aircraft,
Speaker 21: made up of their fifteen E fighter jets, eight ends
Speaker 21: and attack helicopters, repeatedly straighted the two mile long convoy
Speaker 21: on the highway. They began by attacking the vehicles at
Speaker 21: the front and back of the convoy, which effectively stopped
Speaker 21: many of the vehicles in their tracks and left them trapped.
Speaker 21: The remaining vehicles in the middle of the convoy were
Speaker 21: sitting ducks. Over the course of the next several hours,
Speaker 21: Coalition aircraft systematically and methodically blew up every single vehicle
Speaker 21: on Highway eighty. While some Iraqi vehicles did get past
Speaker 21: the initial convoy and the ensuing barrage, they were systematically
Speaker 21: hounded by Apache helicopters as they sped back to the border.
Speaker 2: Even when reaching Iraq.
Speaker 21: Itself, the Coalition forces continued to deal damage to remaining
Speaker 21: Iraqi vehicles and equipment. They wanted to make sure that
Speaker 21: Saddam could not pull this doune again in the future.
Speaker 21: The Atlantic reports that a large number of Kuwaiti civilian
Speaker 21: vehicles were destroyed in the attack. At first, it was
Speaker 21: feared that this could have been a significant number of
Speaker 21: Kuwaiti civilians fleeing the capitol. However, it later came to
Speaker 21: light that the large number of civilian vehicles on the
Speaker 21: highway were in fact stolen by Iraqi soldiers as they
Speaker 21: fled back to Iraq. General Schwarzkov, in his PBS interview,
Speaker 21: is quoted as saying just about every vehicle that they
Speaker 21: were fleeing in was a vehicle that they had stolen
Speaker 21: from Kuwait. Time magazine indicates a wide variety of vehicles
Speaker 21: who have later discovered amongst the wreckage, including milk vans,
Speaker 21: fire trucks, limousines, and one bulldozer to go alongside the trucks,
Speaker 21: armoured cars and tanks. The Atlantic lends credence to the
Speaker 21: idea that the vehicles was stolen, as it reported that
Speaker 21: many vehicles held fully loaded but rusting Kalashnikov variants in them.
Speaker 21: It would also not make logical sense for Kuwaitis fleeing
Speaker 21: the conflict to travel north towards Iraq instead of south
Speaker 21: toward coalition partner Saudi Arabia. Now, it's important to note
Speaker 21: that undoubtedly a number of civilians may have been killed
Speaker 21: in the strike because the Iraqi army had taken hostages
Speaker 21: in the final hours before their retreat. However, understanding what
Speaker 21: their number is, it's very difficult to determine. Almost every
Speaker 21: single vehicle on Highway eighty that day was destroyed and
Speaker 21: left as a smoldering husk in the middle of the desert.
Speaker 21: Estimation for the total number of vehicles destroyed range from
Speaker 21: just over one thousand all the way up to twenty
Speaker 21: seven hundred. So many vehicles were destroyed that troops in
Speaker 21: country referred to the events as a Turkey shoot. But
Speaker 21: it is the number of deaths that is the most
Speaker 21: contentious thing about all of this.
Speaker 2: The true number of.
Speaker 21: Those killed that day is difficult to determine, whether reports
Speaker 21: ranging from a few hundred to tens of thousands. The
Speaker 21: BBC falls in the middle, placing the number of Iraqi
Speaker 21: soldiers killed in the low thousands. The sheer level of
Speaker 21: destruction on Highway eighty and the ensuing photos that would
Speaker 21: emerge would indicate a high number of casualties.
Speaker 3: However, Okay, so in and of itself, bro, you want
Speaker 3: to talk about these high numbers of casualties, We're talking
Speaker 3: thousands in a matter of a couple of hours. Again,
Speaker 3: we talk about these high casualty rates in the Rush
Speaker 3: Ukraine situation, two thousand a day on one side, and
Speaker 3: all of this America loss a little over twenty thousand
Speaker 3: in twenty two years of combat. So I will say,
Speaker 3: as far as American military might is concerned, at least
Speaker 3: we care ever so slightly about our military members. And
Speaker 3: then you see that again talking about this desert storm,
Speaker 3: all this, this highway of death. This was so controversial
Speaker 3: because they were like, was that a did they exceed
Speaker 3: the amount of force needed? And this and this. These
Speaker 3: people got brought in for trial because they lit up
Speaker 3: this group of fighters with weapons and equipment that were
Speaker 3: going back in Iraq and they bomb the fuck out
Speaker 3: of that strip of highways so heavily that babies are
Speaker 3: still born to form because of it.
Speaker 2: Dude, Oh my god, dude, this shit is nuts, you know,
Speaker 2: I was just thinking. I was just saying on the
Speaker 2: Live show last night about how I had a dream
Speaker 2: that I was a terrorist and I was on a
Speaker 2: road that was barricaded. Isn't it weird that we're talking
Speaker 2: about this.
Speaker 3: Today, Jesus Christ, dude, why would you have a dream
Speaker 3: where you're a terrorist and you call me a nark.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I don't know if I was a
Speaker 2: terrorist or if I was you know, some kind of
Speaker 2: evil plot.
Speaker 3: Sure, you called yourself a freedom fighter, I'm sure of it.
Speaker 2: I don't probably, Yeah, I'm sure that I was doing
Speaker 2: something against the law. But either way, it's like weird that,
Speaker 2: you know, that's happening that I'm seeing a picture of
Speaker 2: that today. That's strange.
Speaker 3: God damn Dad. I mean, but look now we're talking
Speaker 3: about the golf war syndrome, the cover up of it.
Speaker 3: This is an article from CounterPunch, The under Toxic Fire.
Speaker 3: This is from twenty fifteen. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: how the Clintons helped cover up golf war syndrome. Jonathan.
Speaker 3: The Clintons are making their way.
Speaker 2: In because, of course, of course, there would be no
Speaker 2: stone left unturned. President Bill Clinton assured Americans on Veterans
Speaker 2: Days six days after his re election in November of
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six, in efforts to get to the bottom
Speaker 2: of the array of illnesses. Colloquially, you don't see that
Speaker 2: word spelled out very often.
Speaker 3: Colloquially not very often, but you nailed it.
Speaker 2: Known as golf War syndrome. With his next breath, Clinton
Speaker 2: heaped praise on the Presidential Advisory Committee on Golf War Illnesses,
Speaker 2: whose prime finding, leaked three days earlier, had been that
Speaker 2: there is no golf War syndrome and any adverse symptoms
Speaker 2: associated with the name could be attributed to psychological stress
Speaker 2: experienced by the vets. Are you just going through psychological stress?
Speaker 2: Ain't no big deal?
Speaker 3: Of course, of course right.
Speaker 2: George H. W. Bush's determination to punish Iraq led to
Speaker 2: the golf War illnesses, but Clinton was responsible for the
Speaker 2: cover up of how those illnesses developed. Shortly after Veterans' Day,
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton told an audience at the University of Nevada,
Speaker 2: Las Vegas that one of her priorities in the second
Speaker 2: term would be to work on issues related to these
Speaker 2: golf War illnesses. Indeed, it was Hillary who pushed in
Speaker 2: the spring of nineteen ninety five for the creation of
Speaker 2: this same presidential panel that eventually laid the blame on stress,
Speaker 2: the relief of which became the First Lady's Therapeutic Project.
Speaker 2: Though as the year's unscrolled, less and less was heard
Speaker 2: from her on this thorny eruption of mass psychosomatic illnesses.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, let's just let's pump the brakes real quick.
Speaker 3: They're big shoots.
Speaker 2: It's just in your head.
Speaker 3: The creation of the same presidential panel that eventually laid
Speaker 3: the blame on stress, the relief of which became the
Speaker 3: First Lady's Therapeutic Project. Hillary Clinton spearheaded the First Lady's
Speaker 3: Therapeutic Project.
Speaker 2: What does it even matter?
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, with the fuck, dude, the nineties were just
Speaker 3: a lawless wastelam from what I can tell, we were
Speaker 3: just too young to realize it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's that's nuts that you'd put fucking Hillary
Speaker 2: in charge of that, and for her to come to
Speaker 2: for her to come to the conclusion that it's just
Speaker 2: a psychological thing that you're going through. You know, it's
Speaker 2: not actually chemically related. It has nothing to do with
Speaker 2: any of the chemicals that you were ingesting on a
Speaker 2: fucking daily basis when we were out there, you know,
Speaker 2: just atomizing the fucking land out there, Like, because Hillary
Speaker 2: is an expert on this kind of shit, so let's
Speaker 2: put her in charge.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, we know that she doesn't give a
Speaker 3: fuck about active duty military personnel. Otherwise she would have
Speaker 3: saved the guys in Benghazi, So it would only make
Speaker 3: sense to me that she really doesn't give a fuck
Speaker 3: about veterans that are dealing with shit. But you know,
Speaker 3: I just this article I felt like was something that
Speaker 3: we should read as we're talking about it.
Speaker 2: You know, it kind of checks out, Like, think about
Speaker 2: the person who put her in charge of this. That
Speaker 2: rate there is enough to say that they don't give
Speaker 2: a fuck that you would put somebody like Hillary in
Speaker 2: charge of this. George, of course, probably was a fucking
Speaker 2: Soros motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: The report on the Presidential Commission could hardly be called scientific,
Speaker 2: since the results of one hundred of a hundred epidemiological
Speaker 2: damn I crushed that one studies which the panel commissioned
Speaker 2: have not yet been processed. In other words, the only
Speaker 2: stones not left unturned by Clinton were those used to
Speaker 2: conceal what happened in ninety one. Another finding of the
Speaker 2: Presidential Commission proved highly pertinent. The nine panel or the
Speaker 2: nine person panel said emphatically that the Pentagon cannot be
Speaker 2: trusted to investigate itself. No shit, no shit, ruh. The
Speaker 2: panel called for an independent probe of whether Allied forces
Speaker 2: in the Gulf in ninety one had been exposed to
Speaker 2: chemical and biological weapons. Previous Pentagon investigations, they wrote in quotes,
Speaker 2: have lacked vigor, fallen short on investigative grounds, and stretched
Speaker 2: credibility end quote. Clinton gave this recommendation short shrift, saying
Speaker 2: that he believed Defense Secretary Bill Perry end quotes has
Speaker 2: moved in an expeditious fashion. Clinton endorsed the Pentagon's position
Speaker 2: that it alone had the technical expertise to exhume the
Speaker 2: truth in this affair.
Speaker 3: From the sure what was that word he used? He
Speaker 3: has moved in an expedious, expeditious fashion. I'm sure he's
Speaker 3: moved in an expeditious fashion.
Speaker 2: He's moving with the swiftness.
Speaker 3: Where's expeditiously? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: From the very first moment, back in nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 2: when the possibility of chemical and biological weapon deployment was raised,
Speaker 2: the Pentagon denied that such weapons were ever used, that
Speaker 2: troops wherever exposed that there are illnesses associated with Iraqi's
Speaker 2: chemical biological arsenal of weaponry. In marked contrast, Czech CBW
Speaker 2: or chemical biological weapon deployment experts who were part of
Speaker 2: the Allied forces notified General H. Norman Schwartzklov's headquarters on
Speaker 2: January nineteen, nineteen ninety one, two days after the initial
Speaker 2: bombing of Baghdad, that they had detected two chemical events
Speaker 2: near Jubilee. Schwarzklov's office promptly issued in order to all
Speaker 2: US commanders to disregard any reports coming from the Czechs.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 3: Wow, so were those those two reports that we brought
Speaker 3: up earlier where it was like, oh, it was just
Speaker 3: a one square yard right of mustard gas, no big deal.
Speaker 3: That happens all over the world, naturally without any reason.
Speaker 2: Clearly, on November tenth of nineteen ninety three, the Pentagon
Speaker 2: admitted in a congressional hearing that it believed the check
Speaker 2: report to be valid.
Speaker 3: So now they're lying, So first they disregard all of it. Now, well,
Speaker 3: actually they're true, but they're lying though, But yep.
Speaker 2: But they're true.
Speaker 3: But they're yeah.
Speaker 2: When asked why the Army had not investigated the events
Speaker 2: reported by the Czechs as a possible source of the syndrome,
Speaker 2: Major General Ronald Blank, commander of the Walter Reed Army
Speaker 2: Medical Center, said that they did not explore this because
Speaker 2: it was the position of military intelligence that such exposure
Speaker 2: never occurred. But the US Army had gone or had
Speaker 2: more than the checks to contend with. US chemical alarm
Speaker 2: systems had gone off nine times during the war, most
Speaker 2: significant on January twenty eighth, when Major Stephen B. Leisen
Speaker 2: Ring reported a low level chemical cloud that set off
Speaker 2: twelve twelve alarms in a conventional downwind pattern. His superiors
Speaker 2: dismissed this observation as a false positive. The final fallback
Speaker 2: position was enunciated by the late Less Aspen, Clinton's first
Speaker 2: Defense Secretary, in November of nineteen ninety three. Aspen declared
Speaker 2: that the detection of chemical and biological agents and the
Speaker 2: golf end quotes is totally unrelated to the mysterious health
Speaker 2: problems that have victimized some of our veterans.
Speaker 3: Okay, so real quick. Being somebody who's worked in a
Speaker 3: chemical plant and knows what a false positive is, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you'll have a one air monitor that will go off
Speaker 3: when it actually didn't detect anything. Maybe the batteries are
Speaker 3: going low, maybe it needs to be calibrated. Sure, these happens.
Speaker 3: Is an imperfect world. Yo, Twelve alarms going off in
Speaker 3: a down win fashion declared to be a false That
Speaker 3: is bullshit. That is not a false positive. That is
Speaker 3: a chemical release by it. That's all that is.
Speaker 2: Jacob. If your girl takes a fucking pregnancy test and
Speaker 2: it shows positive twelve times, are you gonna call that
Speaker 2: false positives?
Speaker 3: No? I sure wouldn't. Sure would not.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can deny it all you want, but
Speaker 2: this is just the fact of the matter, is that,
Speaker 2: like math isn't on your side at that point, and
Speaker 2: statistic how that.
Speaker 3: They're trying to launch through the investigation. It doesn't matter
Speaker 3: because the reports at the time said, oh, it was
Speaker 3: no big deal, there's nothing else on the matter.
Speaker 2: Aspen's posture remained that of the Pentagon until June of
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six, when a CIA analyst, Larry Fox discovered
Speaker 2: that the US Army had destroyed as many as a
Speaker 2: thousand Iraqi missiles loaded with the nerve gas seren and
Speaker 2: with mustard gas at Commissiyah. The Army admitted this, but
Speaker 2: claimed that only four hundred engineers might have been exposed.
Speaker 2: That estimate soon climbed to twenty thousand.
Speaker 3: Okay, so paus. First there was no chemical agents. Then
Speaker 3: they're saying that there was absolutely one thousand. Then they're saying, okay, fine,
Speaker 3: they were real, but only four hundred were exposed. Now
Speaker 3: we're saying it possibly twenty thousand. Bro in one paragraph.
Speaker 3: The story arc has shifted so so eloquently high it's insane.
Speaker 2: But even the twenty thousand figure is relatively modest in
Speaker 2: comparison with the CIA estimates that as many as one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand troops may have been exposed to saren after
Speaker 2: Allied bombing missions destroyed Iraqi weapons plants west of Baghdad.
Speaker 2: The CIA reckoned that as many as twenty metric tons
Speaker 2: of sarin had been released into the air. Holy shit,
Speaker 2: twenty metric tons of sarin.
Speaker 3: The permissible limit on that is I think one part
Speaker 3: per billion, which is one cubic inch and sixteen cubic miles.
Speaker 2: Good god U. The CIA documents pinpointing this and other
Speaker 2: chemical and biological exposures of US troops were placed on
Speaker 2: the Internet on November third, nineteen ninety six, by two
Speaker 2: analysts formally under contract to the CIA. That Internet site
Speaker 2: was disabled two days later, presumably by agency hackers.
Speaker 3: I mean, is that the craziest thing to assume at
Speaker 3: this point.
Speaker 2: Oh, that the three letter agencies have absolute control over
Speaker 2: everything that's on the Internet. Sure, we've seen it for sure.
Speaker 2: Aside from the matter of the cover ups during, during,
Speaker 2: and after the Gulf War, there's no doubt whatsoever that
Speaker 2: the Pentagon was well aware in advance of the Allied
Speaker 2: mission to the Golf that there was a distinct possibility
Speaker 2: that the Iraqis would use chemical and biological weapons. One
Speaker 2: reason for their foresight was that the Iraqis had used
Speaker 2: nerve gas against the Kurds and had used biological agents
Speaker 2: against Majnun. They say that, sure, Majnun island. I'm sure
Speaker 2: that's not how you say that. It's spelled weird. In
Speaker 2: the war with Iran, the Pentagon.
Speaker 3: That's what I said earlier, basically that they had used
Speaker 3: it against the Kurds and they had used it against
Speaker 3: the Iranians earlier. Again, we had given it to them.
Speaker 2: But let's continue the Pentagon was also aware that vital
Speaker 2: ingredients for these weapons had been supplied by US corporations
Speaker 2: in a secret export drive supported by both the United
Speaker 2: States and British governments. Chiefly involved here were lewisite and
Speaker 2: ammonia like vesicant used in chemical weapons, and ingredients for
Speaker 2: SAREN and for another nerve weapon called Soman, as well
Speaker 2: as for yet another nerve weapon called VX. So far
Speaker 2: as biological weapons were concerned, they were approved. There were
Speaker 2: approved US sales two IRAQ of anthrax botulism histoplasm capsulatum,
Speaker 2: which is a tuberculosis type disease. Oh my god, dude.
Speaker 3: Why because they were using it against people that we
Speaker 3: didn't like, and we couldn't give them nukes. We can't
Speaker 3: give somebody in that area of the world nuclear capabilities,
Speaker 3: but I mean we could give them something that's equally
Speaker 3: fucked up.
Speaker 2: Dude, But a fucking bullet through my head before you
Speaker 2: give me fucking tuberculosis Like that is.
Speaker 3: Showing there's more to the list, keep it going.
Speaker 2: As well as Brucella millinulitenois or militensis, which is a
Speaker 2: bacteria that causes chronic fatigue. Claus Dortium perfingens, which is
Speaker 2: a bacterium causing gas ganggreen, plus numerous shipments of E. Coli.
Speaker 3: So we were already giving Iraq really really nasty shit
Speaker 3: that we make in labs, right, and we didn't know
Speaker 3: exactly what they were gonna be doing with it, but
Speaker 3: we knew that they had it on standby. So when
Speaker 3: we went to war with Iraq, we knew the type
Speaker 3: of nasty shit they had their arsenal. So we had
Speaker 3: to go in and destroy that arsenal before he had
Speaker 3: a chance to use it.
Speaker 2: Look, you don't give a baby gasoline and matches and
Speaker 2: not expect your house to go up in fucking flames.
Speaker 3: That's kind of the thought. But if you give that
Speaker 3: baby gasoline and matches and send it into your enemy's house, then, like,
Speaker 3: you know, whatever happens happens. Now, if that child survives
Speaker 3: that and then comes back home with the gas and
Speaker 3: the matches, now we have a problem. Now we have
Speaker 3: a problem, and we have a boogeyman in some place
Speaker 3: that needs a little freedom in democracy nah one.
Speaker 2: Hundreds of such approved shipments in the mid to late
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties were recorded by the Department of Commerce. One
Speaker 2: of the most bizarre features of some of the Golf
Speaker 2: War illnesses is that they appear to be transmittable through
Speaker 2: sexual contact. More than twenty thousand spouses and partners of
Speaker 2: Gulf War vets have reported experiences of such symptoms as
Speaker 2: chronic fatigue, menstrual irregularities, rashes, join in, muscle pain, and
Speaker 2: memory loss. Transmission by biological agents could help explain such reports.
Speaker 3: So not only is goal for syndrome affecting the veterans,
Speaker 3: it could be transmitted sexually.
Speaker 2: Dude, which is what they talked about with the COVID
Speaker 2: vaccines about what was it the shedding?
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's it. That's talking about rewriting your genetic code.
Speaker 2: As early as August nineteen ninety, the Defense Department was
Speaker 2: preparing to inoculate US troops and support personnel with vaccines
Speaker 2: designed to counteract nerve gases botulism and anthrax, but there
Speaker 2: was no known antidote against saren tobin and VX nerve agents.
Speaker 2: Anecdotal evidence had suggested to Defense Department scientists that pyrodystigmine bromide,
Speaker 2: or just PB, might be effective against soman. PB had
Speaker 2: been approved by the Food and Drug Administration only for
Speaker 2: treatment of people suffering from maasthenia gravis, a fatal deterioration
Speaker 2: of the muscles. The drug had never been widely tested
Speaker 2: on healthy humans.
Speaker 3: Okay, so they were going up that peb drug that
Speaker 3: they were giving everybody, that that famous little packet that
Speaker 3: they were just popping out like candy and taking it
Speaker 3: like whatever. They didn't even know then it would work
Speaker 3: for what they said it would work.
Speaker 2: For well, And they said that they were given.
Speaker 3: A study that said that it might help.
Speaker 2: Oh and they said that they were giving it to
Speaker 2: their people thirty times a month or basically once a day.
Speaker 3: Oh no, the reports I saw said three times a
Speaker 3: day in some cases.
Speaker 2: Oh god.
Speaker 3: And again they didn't know any better, but they were told.
Speaker 3: The military members on the ground were told basically, look,
Speaker 3: we already know sed Alam's using some really bad nerve gas. Shit.
Speaker 3: If you don't want your kids to grow up retarded
Speaker 3: with a third arm, take your fucking peeb pills and
Speaker 3: shut up.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they don't know any different.
Speaker 2: And if you didn't take it, remember you had to
Speaker 2: be on like toilet duty and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, they'll make your life hell. If you're
Speaker 3: going against the grain. Dude, Do you know any things
Speaker 3: I had to do to get out of taking a
Speaker 3: flu shot every year?
Speaker 17: Really?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I was bad.
Speaker 2: What did they call it? Litrine duties?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, yeah, I mean cleaning the shitters. But
Speaker 3: I didn't have to do that. They make you burn shit,
Speaker 3: which is another part of this as a matter of fact.
Speaker 3: But no, now, it wasn't even that. It was just
Speaker 3: the political bullshit of it. And it's like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: could stand here and take my stand, it's not gonna matter.
Speaker 3: I'm still a member of the government. They could still
Speaker 3: order me to do whatever the hell they want, or
Speaker 3: give me jail time if I stand hard enough. And
Speaker 3: it's like, at that point, I signed on the dotted
Speaker 3: line to play this game, you know. But neither here
Speaker 3: nor there. Let's keep going.
Speaker 2: The Defense Department was worn by its own scientists that
Speaker 2: PB should never be used when people might be exposed
Speaker 2: to SAREN, since it would merely magnify the latter's potency.
Speaker 2: The use of PB under any circumstances would also produce
Speaker 2: severe side effects. There were thirty five experiments with the
Speaker 2: drug with US Service people before the Gulf Wour. Observed
Speaker 2: side effects included nauseating, slowed heart rate, diarrhea in, increased salivation,
Speaker 2: increased bronchial secretions, and pupil constrictions. In one of the
Speaker 2: first tests of the drug on a US Air Force pilot,
Speaker 2: the man suffered cardiac arrest. Almost immediately after that incident,
Speaker 2: Army researchers said in August of nineteen ninety that PB
Speaker 2: should not be used by individuals with asthma, peptics, peptic ulcers, liver, kidney,
Speaker 2: heart disease, or hypersensitivity to PB and related drugs. Another
Speaker 2: memo prepared by Defense Department medical researchers in the same
Speaker 2: month said that because of side effects associated with PB,
Speaker 2: all subjects will be admitted to Leicester Army Hospital as
Speaker 2: in patients, so that they will be medically monitored during
Speaker 2: periods of testing. A drug will be available at the
Speaker 2: test site to counteract the possible side effects. It said, Wow,
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but if I take some
Speaker 2: kind of medicine and I go into severe cardiac arrest,
Speaker 2: just me, I'm just gonna scrap the experiment.
Speaker 3: I'm calling it run, you know, just call it out.
Speaker 3: We're done. We're done with that experiment, fun trial. We're
Speaker 3: just gonna call it good. Thankfully he didn't die, but
Speaker 3: he's like, don't take it with individuals that have asthma,
Speaker 3: peptic ulcers, liver kidney or heart disease, or hypersensitivity to
Speaker 3: those types of drugs. No one's gonna know if they
Speaker 3: have hypersensitivity to those types of drugs. No one in
Speaker 3: the military has asthma or peptic ulcers. So like, you
Speaker 3: had a pretty good, uh, breeding ground of potential patients
Speaker 3: on this one, but they said, don't take it. It's dangerous. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: the US government take this if you want to live,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 2: Dope sick bro. On top of that, the Defense Department
Speaker 2: had warned or had been warned by James Moss, a
Speaker 2: researcher working for the Department of Agriculture, that when PB
Speaker 2: is used in combination with organo phosphates, the the toxicity
Speaker 2: of both chemicals significantly increases. Moss's research research focused on
Speaker 2: I don't know that word die thigh toulomulchide. I'm sure
Speaker 2: I fucked that one up, but anyway, let's call it
Speaker 2: the big D A chemical familiar to many American campers,
Speaker 2: particularly on the outer Banks and in the Upper Midwest,
Speaker 2: as Deep oh deet okay, the active ingredient in anti
Speaker 2: mosquitos sprays. It's in the cockroach and ant spray raid two.
Speaker 2: Moss found that when deet is used in combination with PEB,
Speaker 2: the former becomes seven times as toxic as as as
Speaker 2: it is when it is used by itself, Pb becomes
Speaker 2: pb becomes four times as tox toxic. Moss also found
Speaker 2: when it's used in combination with Deep. Deep and its
Speaker 2: chemical relatives were widely used in the Gulf War by
Speaker 2: Allied forces against sand flies, mosquitos, and scorpions. The chemical
Speaker 2: were rubbed onto the skin, sprayed in the air, and
Speaker 2: saturated on tents. Moreover, all, the uniforms issued to Gulf
Speaker 2: War personnel were impregnated with per permethrin, a pesticide made
Speaker 2: by Dow. Permethrin has been found to double the toxicity
Speaker 2: of both Deep and pebe. The same trend was found
Speaker 2: with other pesticides used in the war, including lindane, widely
Speaker 2: used as a treatment for lice.
Speaker 3: So we already know that the chemical agents they were
Speaker 3: wearing just to stay safe were also slowly seeping in
Speaker 3: toxins into their bodies too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, usually, I mean especially in like using like really
Speaker 2: fucking off the wall chemicals with compounds that should never
Speaker 2: be put together, and you're making some like this shit
Speaker 2: is so unnatural it's not even funny. But then like
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, the medicine is more harmful than
Speaker 2: if you were unprotected.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: The patent on date is co owned by the USDA
Speaker 2: with the S. C. Johnson Company, which manufactures it under license. Indeed,
Speaker 2: most of the pesticides now in use in US agriculture
Speaker 2: were developed in the USCBW programs. At a nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: four hearing before the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee, Moss testified
Speaker 2: on the toxic combo of PETE and of DET and PB.
Speaker 2: Soon thereafter, he sent a fax to S. C. Johnson
Speaker 2: Company expressing his concern. Two days later, USDA officials called
Speaker 2: in Moss and told him to quit his research and
Speaker 2: keep quiet about his findings. How about that, Uh, if
Speaker 2: I was to talk about my ideas about deep toxicity,
Speaker 2: he said, I understood that I could have been I
Speaker 2: could have I could have trouble finding a job and
Speaker 2: could be blackballed. Son of a bitch. This is how
Speaker 2: they get away with this stuff, dude.
Speaker 3: Every time.
Speaker 2: Brother, It's like the people, the fucking tobacco companies back
Speaker 2: in the day, they were saying it was it was
Speaker 2: perfectly okay for pregnant women to be smoking cigarettes, while well,
Speaker 2: it's what doctors did you pay to say that?
Speaker 3: Or how about the big sugar corporatocracy saying fat makes
Speaker 3: you fat? And that was the narrative people ran with
Speaker 3: for forever. Come to find out, No, it's sugar. It's
Speaker 3: an overabundance of sugar that makes us fat. But fat
Speaker 3: makes you fat was just the thing that ran for forever.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, fat is like, actually pretty fucking good for you.
Speaker 3: It's amazing for you. It makes your brain function ten
Speaker 3: times better, like your body needs it. But dude, I
Speaker 3: tell you what, honest, it tastes the best, dude.
Speaker 2: You need fat like. And so we've been watching have
Speaker 2: you ever seen that show called Alone? It's on Netflix.
Speaker 2: Mm yeah, I fucking love that show. But anyway, it's basically, like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of like a survivor kind of
Speaker 2: situation where you go out into the cold tundras of
Speaker 2: northern Canada and you're trying to basically see how long
Speaker 2: you can outlast everybody else. That is, you know, in
Speaker 2: this uh, in this competition or whatever. Dude, if you
Speaker 2: shoot an animal that hardly has any fat, but yet
Speaker 2: you have a lot of meat. You can't live off
Speaker 2: of that. You need an animal with fat in order
Speaker 2: to survive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why whenever you killed deer, they're a very
Speaker 3: lean meat. So if you I mean, that's fine if
Speaker 3: you're cutting it into like steaks and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: but like it's very lean, so it's very tough. You
Speaker 3: have to slow roasted down all this. But to get
Speaker 3: the best cuts of meat from that, like you got
Speaker 3: to cut it with pork and other fatty meats.
Speaker 2: Dude, right right, well, it says. In an attempt to
Speaker 2: create a paper trail and to protect himself as a whistleblower,
Speaker 2: Moss detailed these attempts to censor his research and internal
Speaker 2: memos to his superiors. That same summer, Moss's research contract
Speaker 2: with the USDA expired. In his eight year term with
Speaker 2: the department came to a summary end. The director of
Speaker 2: Moss's laboratory at the USDA said Moss had not been
Speaker 2: renewed because he had engaged in unauthorized research. I'm on that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he can't even fucking look into this shit without getting canned.
Speaker 4: Mm.
Speaker 2: That is crazy, it says, in an effort to protect Moss,
Speaker 2: Senator Jay Rockefeller how about that?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, of those Rockefellers.
Speaker 2: Correct wrote that the then USDA Secretary Mike Epsy in May, June,
Speaker 2: and July of nineteen ninety four, trying to save Moss's
Speaker 2: job and to ensure funding for his research. Epsy didn't
Speaker 2: answer until Moss's warnings had been aired on CBS News
Speaker 2: on October fourteenth of that year, and then Epsy merely
Speaker 2: said that the USDA would not continue this line of inquiry,
Speaker 2: but would transfer all of Moss's data to the Department
Speaker 2: of Defense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not going to continue your research, but we'll
Speaker 3: go ahead and take that research off your hands and
Speaker 3: just hold it into our own records. Thank you for
Speaker 3: your time.
Speaker 2: Aside from Moss's work, the Army had known as early
Speaker 2: as nineteen eighty six that there was a Pebe pesticide
Speaker 2: connection and that the two had mutually had a mutually
Speaker 2: and destructively enhancing effect when used in combination. Though most
Speaker 2: of the relevant documents were destroyed by the Army, a
Speaker 2: memo screaming a memo screening a potential subject for research
Speaker 2: notes that he was an acceptable candidate because in quotes,
Speaker 2: there is no sensitivity to pesticides or recent significant exposure.
Speaker 2: So because he accepted that to be true, that's why
Speaker 2: they put him in that spot.
Speaker 3: Yep. He was appointed to that position because he played
Speaker 3: ball and showed that he would be a good.
Speaker 2: Boy government puppets baby Yep. Contemplating all these warnings plus
Speaker 2: one other suggesting that to be effective against soman PEB
Speaker 2: would have to be used in enormously dangerous amounts, the
Speaker 2: Army made haste to extract from the FDA the relevant
Speaker 2: waivers to use the vaccine. The FDA initially resisted, cetting
Speaker 2: concerns about liability. By January of nineteen ninety one, with
Speaker 2: war imminent, the pressure grew. The Defense Department threatened to
Speaker 2: invokee emergency emergency powers that would exempt them from any
Speaker 2: review by the FDA. The FDA would then be without
Speaker 2: access to Army research findings.
Speaker 3: So basically they say, give us the access to do
Speaker 3: what we need to do, or if you'll just go
Speaker 3: around you and get the access anyway, And they were like, well, shit,
Speaker 3: one of these options at least we get the research
Speaker 3: that they find from their study.
Speaker 2: In the case of both PB and the bochulism vaccine,
Speaker 2: the FDA finally gave the Defense Department an interim partial
Speaker 2: waiver from normal restriction on the use of investigational drugs.
Speaker 2: This category, known as ID, normally requires written and informed
Speaker 2: consent from the patient, close scrutiny of the patient's condition,
Speaker 2: and the compilation of detailed medical case histories. Even under
Speaker 2: the FDA's waiver, the Defense Department was still supposed to
Speaker 2: keep individual records on all recipients and records of all
Speaker 2: reports of adverse reactions. None of these conditions were met.
Speaker 3: Of course, they were right right, of course.
Speaker 2: At the start of January of ninety one, the Army
Speaker 2: began administering the three vaccines PB, anthrax, and botulism on
Speaker 2: a mandatory basis to as many as four hundred thousand troops, contractors,
Speaker 2: and journalists. The recipients were given the vaccines without any
Speaker 2: information on potential side effects. In fact, most of the
Speaker 2: medical personnel administering the vaccines were unaware of the hazards.
Speaker 2: The vaccines were given to women, some of them pregnant,
Speaker 2: even though the relevant drugs had never been tested on
Speaker 2: healthy women, nor was there any research on how the
Speaker 2: vaccines might react with other medications such as birth control pills.
Speaker 2: In all, twenty eight thousand women were given the vaccine drugs.
Speaker 2: Unlike the extensive screening screening given to the research subjects,
Speaker 2: none of the Gulf War personnel was screened for any
Speaker 2: diseases or conditions. This becomes important because if side conditions
Speaker 2: are not surveyed, then ensuing ailments cannot be analyzed with
Speaker 2: adequate case histories.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so basically they had no idea what these people
Speaker 3: had going on before the fact. They just ran with
Speaker 3: it and again super experimental drug that the FDA was
Speaker 3: basically strong arm leveraged into giving the permission to the
Speaker 3: DoD to do what they did.
Speaker 2: Bochulism vaccine was given too late to have had any
Speaker 2: use in the war. The Defense Department didn't begin administering
Speaker 2: it until January twenty third of ninety one, after the
Speaker 2: beginning of the Air War. None of the recipients of
Speaker 2: the bochelism vaccine received the full course three shots necessary
Speaker 2: for full immunization. After the end of the Golf War,
Speaker 2: the Defense Department aggressively pressured the FDA to issue a
Speaker 2: permanent waiver of informed consent, saying not to finalize it
Speaker 2: provides an arguable defect under the Administrative Procedures Act and
Speaker 2: leaves the Department of Defense and the FDA open to
Speaker 2: greater liability. In another bid to eliminate liability, the Army
Speaker 2: told golf war vets that they have no legal standing
Speaker 2: because the so called FAREF doctrine prohibits military personnel from
Speaker 2: suing the federal government for injuries suffered as part of
Speaker 2: military service. Yeah, basically you can't sue us. We own you, Mitch.
Speaker 3: Essentially, That's what it boils down to. And that's fine.
Speaker 3: You go to the and you get a disability compensation
Speaker 3: and that's how that goes. But you can't sue the
Speaker 3: government for getting shot at in a combat zone. Is
Speaker 3: basically what that's supposed.
Speaker 2: To be, right, But I mean, I feel like this
Speaker 2: should be a little bit different. It's negligence, you know,
Speaker 2: through the use of the chemical malpractice.
Speaker 3: I believe it's in a different category. But hey, maybe not.
Speaker 3: They don't see it that way.
Speaker 2: You're still our bitch, no matter what.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: The Defense Department cited a decision written by antonin Scalia
Speaker 2: in which the US Supreme Court upheld the pharaoff doctrine, saying,
Speaker 2: in Scalia's words, that to do otherwise would call into
Speaker 2: question military discipline and decision making. Well, we wouldn't want
Speaker 2: to do that, now, would we.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, this fucking guy, Well, Scalia.
Speaker 2: Fuck me. While the army stonewall here in the US,
Speaker 2: and while Hillary Clinton consulted her stress meter, I love
Speaker 2: to consult in her stress meter, well, thank god she
Speaker 2: had one of those. What of other nations in the
Speaker 2: Allied Force in ninety one? Well? On November twelfth of
Speaker 2: ninety six, more than one thousand British Vets sued their government,
Speaker 2: claiming that they had been poisoned by a toxic combination
Speaker 2: of pesticides liberally sprayed on their uniforms, intents, and by
Speaker 2: anti nerve gas tablets they were compelled to take. To
Speaker 2: back up their claims, the British Vets used a report
Speaker 2: by doctor Norman Jones, who was a contractor for the
Speaker 2: British Defense Ministry. Jones's research shows that some vets were
Speaker 2: particularly vulnerable to this nerve gas tablet. So the Czech
Speaker 2: government has officially recognized golf force syndrome and began compensating
Speaker 2: ailing ailing vets and most importantly allowed them to be
Speaker 2: evaluated by non military doctors. The French soldiers were not
Speaker 2: given anti duotes in vaccines and have reported few, if
Speaker 2: any cases of golf cource syndrome. So they figured it out.
Speaker 2: Then they took care of their people. Finally, right, at
Speaker 2: least as far as franco.
Speaker 3: Is it, the French soldiers weren't around any of the
Speaker 3: affected areas.
Speaker 2: That could be the case.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: As the cover up slowly unraveled, it became clear that
Speaker 2: the US Army, along with the British Defense Ministry, was
Speaker 2: involved in a gigantic experiment with very little idea, despite
Speaker 2: many dire warnings of the consequences of its vaccines and antidotes.
Speaker 2: This may not be contrary to the US and British laws,
Speaker 2: but it certainly violated the Nuremberg Codes, promulgated after World
Speaker 2: War II in response to the experiments performed by Nazi
Speaker 2: scientists using chemicals and biological materials on their victims. Many
Speaker 2: of those sciences later found employment in US research labs,
Speaker 2: military and sibyl. Of course, Project Paperclip, one final way
Speaker 2: to study the Gulf War syndrome of course, is to
Speaker 2: look at the dismissal, at the dismal health histories of
Speaker 2: farm workers here in the United States. They're in the
Speaker 2: front lines all the time, bombed daily by the pesticides
Speaker 2: which are the descendants of Soman, Saren and Tobin.
Speaker 3: This is crazy, bro, This is crazy. Now, what is
Speaker 3: your thoughts on all of this at this time?
Speaker 6: Bro?
Speaker 3: Even the Clintons are wrapped up in the cover up.
Speaker 2: I think that it is absolutely undeniable, you know, the
Speaker 2: speculation that you know that that people whenever it's it's
Speaker 2: almost like whenever we're at war, we have total disregard
Speaker 2: for any of the people that are fighting on behalf
Speaker 2: of us, and we don't really care. It's almost like wambam,
Speaker 2: thank you, ma'am. It's almost like a hitden and quitted
Speaker 2: situation to where you're like, I got what I needed
Speaker 2: out of you, now, fuck you forever.
Speaker 3: Oh, let's go ahead and hear what the government was
Speaker 3: saying about. As a matter of fact, in ninety six.
Speaker 22: We've been criticized for years for not releasing information on
Speaker 22: called four illness. Now we're being criticized for the way
Speaker 22: in which we're releasing information on Gulf four illness. I
Speaker 22: think that's a step in the right direction. I hope
Speaker 22: that we'll be able to release more more information at
Speaker 22: earlier times of the day later on, and that's my goal,
Speaker 22: and it's the goal of this department to try to
Speaker 22: get as much information out as possible.
Speaker 6: There was no bail bones information earlier in the afternoon
Speaker 6: Safe first edition to the newspaper's offer prime time television shows,
Speaker 6: there was no word.
Speaker 23: It is a process. As I say, it's turned out
Speaker 23: to take longer than we would like. We are frustrated.
Speaker 23: I know the veterans are frustrated. This administration and this
Speaker 23: Pentagon have made a commitment to do a better job,
Speaker 23: and that's what we're trying to do. That's why we're
Speaker 23: releasing information.
Speaker 3: Yes, for the record, they're just playing the game, honestly,
Speaker 3: just playing the politician game of well, we're trying our best.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 5: Can you hear that?
Speaker 24: I am advertised, I am doctor Pittriskaloman.
Speaker 2: It's a pleasure to be with you here today.
Speaker 24: We can't out print astigmine bromide as a contributor to
Speaker 24: health symptoms in l GO for veterans.
Speaker 8: Further research is needed and this.
Speaker 24: Is something that hasn't really been discussed in this briefing
Speaker 24: to determine the effectiveness of the current dose of PB
Speaker 24: viz a vi the nerve ancient Soman and clearly additional
Speaker 24: research regarding both the safety and effectiveness of PB for
Speaker 24: humans is urgently needed. The issue now is the complex
Speaker 24: one of trading off uncertain health risks, but risks now
Speaker 24: known to be biologically plausible, against possible but uncertain gains
Speaker 24: from use of PB. In the warfare setting.
Speaker 2: Is turned the canteene down and allowed the dropped air
Speaker 2: to flow out.
Speaker 3: You see this old video of them in the old
Speaker 3: mobl Yo, fuck that fuck fighting a war.
Speaker 15: In that.
Speaker 25: On, the assistant secretary of the fans and the troops
Speaker 25: were given a booster pack and these are the pure
Speaker 25: Distignian pills. These pills are given at thirty milligram doses
Speaker 25: eight hours, so each pill is thirty milligrams and it's
Speaker 25: taken three times a day. That would only be given
Speaker 25: during the high threat time so that you may take
Speaker 25: it for a short time and if we assess that
Speaker 25: the threat is reduced, then it would be discontinued. It's
Speaker 25: also important to note that PB only works with the
Speaker 25: follow up of what's called a Mark two kit, which
Speaker 25: is the auto injectable self injected drugs that also then
Speaker 25: protect our troops and allow them to survive what would
Speaker 25: have otherwise been a lethal attack of a nerve agent
Speaker 25: like Soman.
Speaker 4: She's a RAND consultant.
Speaker 26: We are at this point now the most conservative of
Speaker 26: nations in terms of considering the possible future use of PEB.
Speaker 26: Other nations who are involved in research on chemical weapons,
Speaker 26: who have PB in their stockpile have indicated to us
Speaker 26: that upon any indication of chemical on the battlefield, their
Speaker 26: policies are to continue to use phoebe.
Speaker 3: Okay, So a little bit more about what was going
Speaker 3: on at that time, and now we have this little
Speaker 3: bit of a little quick video thirteen years ago. This
Speaker 3: is what doctors were doing to try to help the
Speaker 3: veteran community twenty years after the fact, bro.
Speaker 17: Right hand.
Speaker 8: At a Georgetown University clinic. It's another step in trying
Speaker 8: to figure out how to help many veterans of the
Speaker 8: First Gulf War twenty years after they moved into Kuwait
Speaker 8: and a rock and suffered what's become known as Gulf
Speaker 8: War illness.
Speaker 27: I've been sick for a long time and been to
Speaker 27: a lot of different doctors, been to the VA, and
Speaker 27: haven't found any answers for my conditions.
Speaker 8: A VET who has not to be identified suffers the
Speaker 8: same as many fellow Gulf War veterans from fatigue, joint
Speaker 8: and muscle pain, and memory problems with no obvious cause
Speaker 8: and not much help.
Speaker 4: Been very USh.
Speaker 27: It's been a challenge to just exist and try to
Speaker 27: get up and get through work and get home. And
Speaker 27: I don't have anything left.
Speaker 8: He came here from across the country to see doctor
Speaker 8: James Baroneck, a Georgetown professor conducting a series of Pentagon
Speaker 8: sponsored studies on an illness that's largely been a mystery
Speaker 8: for twenty years.
Speaker 3: Let's understand what the mechanisms are, and let's find drugs,
Speaker 3: new drugs, new combinations of medicines to treat them.
Speaker 8: Bro After years of complaints, Baronic says, the Veterans Administration
Speaker 8: is finally doing a better job of helping those suffering
Speaker 8: Gofer illness, which affects about a third of the nearly
Speaker 8: seven hundred thousand who served in the war.
Speaker 22: I don't think that the US population understands the epidemic
Speaker 22: proportion that that represents.
Speaker 8: The VA promised last year to take what it called
Speaker 8: a friend bold look at aiding the veterans. VA Chief
Speaker 8: of Staff John Gingerich, a Gulf War vet himself, writes
Speaker 8: in a blog that it continues looking for what causes
Speaker 8: golf war illness and remains committed to caring for those
Speaker 8: suffering from it. For one VET twenty years has been
Speaker 8: long enough.
Speaker 27: It's just frustrated and just tired and worn out and
Speaker 27: beat down and just looking for some help.
Speaker 8: Or Saga MAGGANI the Associated Press.
Speaker 3: Okay, so now we're seeing that at least they're starting
Speaker 3: to take steps in the right direction, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. And they're still trying to figure out the
Speaker 3: reasons for it. They're trying to figure out what they
Speaker 3: can do to treat it, because the symptoms are, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, it's a sign of it, but
Speaker 3: it's not the whole thing. So I did want to
Speaker 3: talk about here the VA. This is actually the VA's
Speaker 3: website when it talks about the goal war syndrome. Here
Speaker 3: presumptive conditions for goal war veterans. Goal war veterans who
Speaker 3: meet the criteria below do not need to prove a
Speaker 3: connection between their military service and illnesses in order to
Speaker 3: receive VA disability compensation. We are talking about mayagic, what
Speaker 3: the hell? Myalgic in camphilic, chronic fatigue syndrome, okay, that
Speaker 3: uh fibermyalga, functional gastro intestional disorders, undiagnosed illnesses. Okay. They
Speaker 3: just kind of left that one, hoping ended on that one.
Speaker 3: But as far as that goes, I did want all
Speaker 3: of our veterans out there that served during that war
Speaker 3: that haven't gone to the VA. Hey, dude, now's your
Speaker 3: time go for it and start fighting that fight, because
Speaker 3: this is another example of complete government cover up. Dude.
Speaker 2: You know, I was just thinking that whole time. I
Speaker 2: know that they're especially you yourself. You've talked about the the VA,
Speaker 2: and I got a bunch of friend friends and family
Speaker 2: members who served in the military and stuff like that
Speaker 2: that always complained about the VA as well. And I
Speaker 2: gotta say, dude, how is it not an absolute priority
Speaker 2: to put all veterans at the top of the priority
Speaker 2: list whenever it comes to anything health related, like forget
Speaker 2: the VA. Look, all you gotta do is just show
Speaker 2: your fucking military ID and that should be your literal
Speaker 2: insurance card. Whenever you walk into a hospital like it
Speaker 2: should be absolutely free, Like you laid your life on
Speaker 2: the line. The least you can do is receive some
Speaker 2: fucking medicine for free and get looked at for free
Speaker 2: and get diagnosed for free and all these things like
Speaker 2: these military members should be the absolute upper echelon of
Speaker 2: all prioritization of everything health related moving forward in the country.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that the VA and not shitting on
Speaker 2: the VA. I'm sure the people that are working in
Speaker 2: the VA doing a very you know, a hard job
Speaker 2: and they have to deal with a lot of shit
Speaker 2: on a daily basis, But why is it a private
Speaker 2: sector from the hospital like all the hospitals, like it
Speaker 2: should be military members first priority. You walk into an
Speaker 2: emergency room, are you a military member?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 2: You're first? Like it should be like that.
Speaker 3: Extend that to cops, firefighters, first responders, like yo, I
Speaker 3: heard that, to the realm of all of that, yes,
Speaker 3: I one hundred percent agree, But that's just not the
Speaker 3: world we live in. But uh, you know this one,
Speaker 3: we could go more in depth on it. There's a
Speaker 3: few more videos I had in a few more articles
Speaker 3: I had to pull up. But you know what, that
Speaker 3: would just kind of be driving in more nails into
Speaker 3: the coffin, so to speak. We can clearly see that, yes,
Speaker 3: they had prior information of the types of chemical, biological,
Speaker 3: bad nasty shit that they were blowing up. They sent
Speaker 3: service members into that area to be exposed to these chemicals.
Speaker 3: Not just a few, a third are now suffering from
Speaker 3: that type of exposure and the government is still dragging
Speaker 3: their feet about it. And I thought we needed to
Speaker 3: talk about it at the Cult of Conspiracy.
Speaker 5: Dog.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought this one up. This this one
Speaker 2: really got me even like fucking riled up. This is crazy, Like, oh,
Speaker 2: it just blows my mind. The absolute disregard for everybody
Speaker 2: who fights for your life. I just don't get it.
Speaker 2: I just I don't understand that it's absurd.
Speaker 3: It is absolutely absurd. And good cult members, if you
Speaker 3: would like to talk about it, you would like to
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Speaker 3: syndrome or something along those lines, and you would like
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