WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.359 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys, 2 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:12.919 are you fav It's so like say subscribe and rade 3 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:21.440 it live Stock and greatest con Us today listening watching 4 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:24.879 limb always keep its watching. 5 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.399 And now your hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. 6 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:33.799 Hey, everybody, welcome to Big Fit and Beyond with Cliff 7 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:37.679 and very often Bobo and Matt Pruit. He's around here, somewhere, 8 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:41.240 lurking as he does. As you can tell by my 9 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:44.119 slightly snide introduction there, Bobo is not here. We don't 10 00:00:44.119 --> 00:00:46.960 know where he is. He's as of right now, he's 11 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:51.280 twenty minutes late. And we actually had to postpone thirty 12 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:54.920 minutes before we started anything anyway, due to weather conditions 13 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:59.520 and some other complications. So technically he's twenty minutes late, 14 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:01.200 but I think for the spirit of it all, he's 15 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:05.280 fifty minutes late. So we just said, okay, done, Bobo's 16 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:07.359 flaking out. We're going to move on here and just 17 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:09.799 do it without him. But it's okay because Matt Prude 18 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:12.879 is here. Hi, Matt, how's it going. It's going all right, 19 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:16.159 it's going all right. And of course we have Robo Bobo. 20 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:20.159 How are you doing, robo Bobo? That's what I thought. 21 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:23.719 That's what I thought exactly. So anyway, yeah, so all 22 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:25.359 two and a half of us are here right now, 23 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:27.040 So we're just going to go ahead and roll with 24 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:29.719 the episode because that's what you do when you have 25 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:33.879 a job. Oh, it's going to be just like he's 26 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:35.680 here anyway. By the way, I don't know, Matt, if 27 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:37.280 you've been hearing from people about that how much they 28 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:42.439 love Phobo. I mean, the robo Bobo Phobo. It's just unbelievable. 29 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:43.480 He's a huge hit. 30 00:01:43.879 --> 00:01:46.120 Oh yeah, I saw him. I saw a message from 31 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:47.719 one of our members just the other day and she 32 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:50.200 said something like, I had no idea how much I 33 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:52.799 needed robo Bobo in my life. 34 00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:55.680 She has no idea how much we need him on 35 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:57.400 the podcast every once in a while when he doesn't 36 00:01:57.439 --> 00:01:57.840 show up. 37 00:01:58.439 --> 00:02:01.920 So oh, it definitely comes in handy. 38 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:05.719 Absolutely absolutely, And you know, Bobo may show up. He 39 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:07.439 may show up, or we're going to keep our fingers 40 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:10.599 crossed that you know, he actually comes through for us, 41 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:13.240 or isn't dead, or isn't on the side of the 42 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:16.680 road somewhere having a hitchhike, homb or you know Zella's 43 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:19.080 body for like bus Fare or who knows what's going 44 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:22.439 on body parts for bus Fair. I don't know. It's Bobo. 45 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:24.159 So I'm sure there's going to be a story. I'm 46 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:26.879 sure it's going to make everyone laugh. I'm just not 47 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:33.240 sure we're going to hear it today. Oh that's great, 48 00:02:33.439 --> 00:02:36.080 that's great. Anyway, Matt, what do we have in store 49 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:39.000 for the podcast today? Anything we want to do before 50 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:40.800 we jump in and do whatever we're going to do. 51 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:43.319 Well, we have a bevy of options in front of us, 52 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:45.000 and so I think we have a lot to explore. 53 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:47.599 I know you've been busy in the field. We always 54 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:50.800 have a nice backlog of topics to cover, and so 55 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:54.199 there's been a lot of news related to not only 56 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:57.159 extant apes, but fossil apes, so there's a lot of 57 00:02:57.159 --> 00:03:00.199 that to cover. You know, there's always questions coming in, 58 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:01.759 So maybe we can do some of the questions on 59 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.400 the members side and focus on those while we wait 60 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:06.479 for Bobo. But wherever you want to take it, if 61 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:08.080 you want to fill the audience in on what you've 62 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:10.520 been up to out in the field, or dig into 63 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:11.960 the topics or all the above. 64 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:15.159 Oh yeah, well, yeah, the field has been good. The 65 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:19.199 field has been good. What have I spoken about it? 66 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:21.199 I'm sure I talked about Bluff Creek, right, I can't 67 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:22.039 remember if I did or not. 68 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:25.080 We did talk about the Bluff Creek trip that you took. 69 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:27.199 We touched on that on a member's only episode. So 70 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:29.879 if you guys aren't pigeons, feel free to sign up 71 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:32.199 to hear about Cliffs Bluff Creek Adventure. 72 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:32.759 Yeah. 73 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:34.479 Yeah, that was cool. I had a good time with that. 74 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:36.680 Saw some new areas. I mean, I'll get to the 75 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:39.639 very condensed version is I saw some new areas, made 76 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:43.439 great relations with Willow Creek Museum folks who are just rad. 77 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:46.120 I mean they're just not only not only are they 78 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:47.520 like in the same gig as I am, you know, 79 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:49.719 museum stuff, but at the same time, they're just good people. 80 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:51.639 So I really enjoyed hanging out with them. I think 81 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:54.120 we're going to see some really amazing things coming from 82 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:58.479 our joint collaboration at the Willow Creek Museum and an ABC. 83 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:00.879 Give us a year or so, and I think you're 84 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:04.680 going to see some really cool stuff. So I got home, 85 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:06.960 I guess after I talked about the Dermals cast yet 86 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:07.599 have I done that. 87 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:10.639 We did not talk about that on this main podcast. 88 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:12.719 We talked about it on the members, but I'm sure 89 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:14.280 our listeners would love to hear about that. 90 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:16.279 Okay, well, keep it short because I want to I 91 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:17.839 want to. I don't want to bore our members or 92 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:21.240 anything like that. But basically, about two and a half 93 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:23.199 three weeks ago or something like that, I was up 94 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:26.800 at one of our locations and I found an impression 95 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:30.120 in the ground and it looked very very odd, very odd. Actually, 96 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:31.920 did we post the pictures to the members? 97 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:32.279 Matt? 98 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:35.079 I have not posted those yet, but I will go 99 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:38.439 ahead and say yes and post those after this. So yeah, 100 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:39.879 we posted that to the membership. 101 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:41.120 Okay, good. 102 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:42.639 So yeah, if you're not a member and you want 103 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:44.560 to see some of the stuff we talk about, maybe 104 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:45.959 you should be a member. You know, it's five bucks 105 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:48.680 a month and you get an extra entire episode every 106 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:52.399 single week with you know, Cliff Bobo, Matt and Robobobo, 107 00:04:52.839 --> 00:04:57.000 and then of course you also get this episode completely 108 00:04:57.079 --> 00:04:59.560 ad free, and also you get to see cool stuff like, 109 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:02.040 you know, these pictures that we're going to post and stuff. 110 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:04.120 So maybe that's you. Maybe you want to be a member, 111 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:06.120 Maybe you want to be a pigeon. Wouldn't you like 112 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:11.040 to be a pigeon too? We got I almost didn't 113 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:12.639 cast a thing because it just looks so odd. It 114 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:14.759 looks like an elk elbow or something. But it did 115 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:17.639 have a big toe at a HeLEX, and it's just well, 116 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:19.639 better safe than sorry. I'm going to put plaster in it, 117 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:22.519 and boy am I glad I did. There are dramatic 118 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:26.720 glyphics finger fingerprints basically, but they're on the bottom of 119 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:29.040 your foot, so they're not fingerprints, but we can't call 120 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:32.079 them footprints something else, so we use the Greek term 121 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:36.319 dramato glyphics. And so the heel is covered with these things. 122 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:39.319 So it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. I've already had 123 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:42.839 our friend Dave's again, the fingerprint expert guy from Georgia. 124 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:47.120 He's been a guest on the podcast here, so I've 125 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:48.759 already had him take a look at it. I'm going 126 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:50.560 to get a copy of the cast into his hands 127 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:52.959 as soon as I'm able, and hopefully something good will 128 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:54.959 come out of it. If not, it's super rad. It's 129 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:58.360 super super neat to see such clear, dramatic glyphics. I 130 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:00.319 wasn't even sure our substrate would do it. I knew 131 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:03.639 the Blue Mountains could do it. The Blue Mountain substrate 132 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.720 is extraordinarily fine, and I think it's glacial if I 133 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:09.600 remember right, And because of that, on the microscopic level, 134 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:12.240 it's kind of angular and holds together really nicely, kind 135 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:15.600 of like I don't know, like like what like legos 136 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:17.519 or something like it like that, the angles kind of 137 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:21.000 hold the shape really well. So the Blue Mountain substrate 138 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:23.120 is very, very special, which is part of the reason 139 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:26.480 why Paul Freeman in West Summerlin and all the greats 140 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:29.639 back there, Bill Lowry, dur Addington, David Bean, all those 141 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:34.480 folks had such extraordinary casts coming out of that location. 142 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:37.279 It wasn't just that they you know, some people say 143 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:38.959 they were faking it, but I don't believe that a bit. 144 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:41.920 They were just in the woods a lot, and they 145 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:46.120 have such extraordinary you know, well, first effort number one 146 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:48.279 and number two. The substrate there is fantastic and it 147 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:51.720 holds prints really well. So but I wasn't so sure 148 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:55.199 about our local substrate. But sure enough, dramaticallypics, man, it's 149 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:57.199 really cool. Did I send you the pictures of the 150 00:06:57.240 --> 00:06:59.160 derms to mat or just the cast itself? 151 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:01.920 Me the picture with the dermals. I was amazed at 152 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:04.959 how clear they were, because you know, it takes, to 153 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:07.560 your point, a certain kind of substrate to retain those, 154 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:09.800 but then again, it takes a certain kind of casting 155 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:12.279 material to capture those within the substrate, So a lot 156 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:14.639 of planets have to align for something to come out 157 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:16.839 so clearly, and they were great examples. 158 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:19.439 Yeah, it was a really odd thing too, because it 159 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:22.199 was a right foot. It was literally like in the gutter. 160 00:07:22.199 --> 00:07:24.120 I always call them gutters or not quite gutters. It's 161 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:27.720 the trough next to four service roads that all the 162 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:30.079 water runs off into, and that a lot of it 163 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:32.959 is silty, so that's probably adds to this too, But 164 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:35.639 that's where this track was located, and it was going 165 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:38.199 parallel to the road, and it was a right foot. 166 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:41.319 But the odd thing is that the left foot was 167 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:45.319 obviously the next track in secession right, and it was 168 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:50.600 almost ninety degrees to the right of the right foot 169 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:54.759 and about thirty four inches away, if I remember correctly, uphill, 170 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:57.319 slightly uphill. So I mean you do that like you 171 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:00.040 stand up and take put your right foot down and 172 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:02.199 your left foot has to cross over your right leg 173 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:04.600 and then go uphill about thirty four to thirty five 174 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:07.079 inches away. It's a very I mean, you can do it, 175 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:10.759 anybody can do it, but it's a very awkward thing 176 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:12.839 to do. I think I have a picture of that 177 00:08:12.920 --> 00:08:16.079 second print too. I'm almost positive I do. Actually, maybe 178 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:18.000 you can post that for the good folks as well. 179 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:21.120 I'll be happy to. Yeah, it seems like the kind 180 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:23.399 of behavior if you're trying to dodge something quickly, like 181 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:25.480 if you're about to put down your foot and you 182 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:27.639 see that there's a snake where you're planning to step, 183 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:30.120 or something you know, causing you to take quick action, 184 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:33.799 or something was coming along and the thing decided to 185 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:36.759 pivot and turn or make a you know, a rapid 186 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:38.600 retreat or something like that. Pretty wild. 187 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:42.039 Yeah, I was kind of wondering to myself, did a 188 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:44.159 hear a car coming or something to that effect. I 189 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:45.440 was just walking on the side of the road, and 190 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:47.600 did hear a car? Who knows it is on the 191 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:49.639 side of a road after all? And you know what 192 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:52.399 I did just send I just sent you the photograph 193 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:54.879 of that second impression. There'm Matt, and it looks much 194 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:57.840 wider than the first one does, and it was much wider. 195 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:00.039 But what you can't really tell by looking at the 196 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:03.799 photograph is that it was on a slope. The slope 197 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:06.919 was going up, you know, towards the toes and also 198 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:09.399 to the left hand side of the of the impression, 199 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:13.960 so that the outer side of the foot is also uphill. 200 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:16.960 So when you look at that, that kind of explains 201 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:19.240 how it's wide, because the foot came down and probably 202 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:22.720 slid a little bit. So very interesting impression, Super cool, 203 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:26.159 And also I learned a little bit more here because 204 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:31.840 the original the derma dermaticlyphics are are just great. They're astonishing. 205 00:09:32.320 --> 00:09:32.480 Now. 206 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:34.399 I really took my time when I was making the 207 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:36.720 latex mold for this thing because I wanted the derms 208 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:39.440 to come through really well. And yeah, yeah, the derms 209 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:45.320 came through, but they are maybe half, maybe half, if 210 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:48.320 I'm being generous, as clear as the originals are. So 211 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:53.639 I was astonished at I was really surprised at how 212 00:09:53.879 --> 00:10:00.000 much the dermaticglyphics just didn't come through. They faded basically 213 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:03.200 in some areas where there are very clear dramatical epics 214 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:07.279 on the impression, there are no dramatical epics on the copies. 215 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:10.159 So I think that in itself is of great interest 216 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:13.879 because all I have are first generation copies in some cases, 217 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:18.039 or even second generation copies of other casts like the 218 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:22.399 Dermal's cast from nineteen eighty two to the Paul Freeman stuff. Wrinklefoot, 219 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:24.480 for example, has some dramatical efics on it, and then 220 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:27.799 I've got a second, second generation cast of that, so 221 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:30.960 a lot of information is lost. So I learned a 222 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:34.240 big lesson this week is that, Okay, copies are great, 223 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:36.399 but there's nothing I mean, I knew this anyway, but 224 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:40.320 it really was driven home. Nothing replaces the original. Nothing 225 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:41.399 replaces the original. 226 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:42.879 Why do you think that is? 227 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:46.799 Do you think just the latex mold isn't thin enough 228 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:48.840 to get between a lot of those cracks. 229 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:53.320 I think part of it is it's very difficult to 230 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:56.720 clean all of the dirt out between the ridges on 231 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:01.360 a cast, and on the original that's slightly miscolored or 232 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:04.600 darker lion that is in the bottom of the furrow 233 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:09.320 accentuates the dramatical effics on the original. But remember you're 234 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:13.519 not you're not seeing color on a on a latex mold, 235 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:16.720 You're you're only getting the depth between the fur you know, 236 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:19.679 between the ridges. So if there's a little bit of dirt, 237 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:23.320 and you know, these things are maybe one millimeter wide, 238 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:27.200 you know, so it doesn't take much much soil or 239 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:30.799 substrate or anything to fill up that that that that 240 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:37.000 canyon between the ridges and the latex, it only records 241 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:40.200 like a three dimensionality to the to the impression. And 242 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:44.159 if that the the canyon in between the two ridges 243 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:48.000 has a little little tiny bit of substrate in it, 244 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:50.759 then the latex doesn't fill in as far and you 245 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:51.600 just kind of lose it. 246 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:54.200 That makes sense, Yeah. 247 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:56.480 Yeah, that that Doctor Meldrim was talking to me about 248 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:58.200 that a few weeks ago, and we were in the 249 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:00.879 Airbnb together because we see at the same place and 250 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:04.120 for the Kentucky gig out there with Charlie Raymond, and 251 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:07.960 we were talking about how the original of the wrinkle foot, 252 00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:10.960 that's a problem with that one. And so it comes 253 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:12.440 I guess it comes down to cleaning it, you know. 254 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:14.919 And I did take a very very soft brush, like 255 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:16.840 the first whenever I get a cast, the first thing 256 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:18.759 I do well, I mean I'd let it sit around 257 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:20.480 for a minute. But after that, when I go to 258 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:24.000 clean it, I don't use a brush. I use water essentially, 259 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:26.799 you know, like I spray it down with the hose 260 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:29.440 because it doesn't really do anything to the plaster and 261 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:32.879 it doesn't ruin it. And when the cast is still green, 262 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:34.480 I don't use a brush on it because I don't 263 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:37.840 want to introduce lines because those lines could be misconstrued 264 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:42.039 as dramatically pics. So but after the cast is set 265 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:44.960 a bit, you know, and it's not green per se anymore, 266 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:47.960 what I do is I get a very very soft brush, 267 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:50.519 like a very soft toothbrush is what I use in 268 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:54.519 this case, and then I get warm water. Warm water 269 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:56.799 is better because warm water breaks in the cohesion of 270 00:12:56.840 --> 00:12:59.600 the water molecules. Cold water will work, of course, but 271 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:02.120 warm water water is better. That's why we wash our 272 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:05.759 hands with warm water. It's because it breaks in the 273 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:08.000 water cohesion of the water molecules and it can get 274 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:11.240 into the nooks and crannies better. So I use warmer 275 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:14.519 kind of hot water, and I put a very very 276 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:19.279 gentle stream over the cast as I very gently do 277 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:24.799 circular motions with the toothbrush, the soft bristle toothbrush that 278 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:27.120 I was using. And that's a really good job clean 279 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:30.279 and stuff. It's excellent, but you can't really get everything 280 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:33.879 every single time. I could probably do another once over, 281 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:36.720 but god, I spent like an hour doing that before 282 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:39.399 to get to clean this one off so far. But anyway, 283 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:42.720 I think it would be an interesting study. Perhaps it's 284 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:46.639 certainly been an interesting topic to explore. Comparing the original 285 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:53.279 with a copy and see what artifacts you can see 286 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:58.720 on the copy that were once originally dramatic glyphics on 287 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:01.840 the original. Makes sense. It's kind of hard for me 288 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:04.000 to put this into words in a way, but does 289 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:06.200 this make sense to you? Am I sending coherent? 290 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:06.720 Oh? 291 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:09.759 That certainly makes sense. It would be an interesting endeavor 292 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:11.720 to to get your hands if you could on as 293 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:16.559 many originals that had potential dramaticglyphics within them, because it 294 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:20.120 really makes you wonder about the people who applied their 295 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:25.159 expertise to dramaticglyphics and cast. Certainly in at least half, 296 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:27.320 if not more, of those, they were looking at copies 297 00:14:27.320 --> 00:14:29.279 and not the originals, right, I mean, I'm sure when 298 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:35.519 Krantz sent around the Blue Mountains cast that had dramaticglyphics 299 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:37.799 in it that he wrote about in the paper in 300 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:41.200 the Journal of Cryptozoology, where I think he cites like 301 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:46.240 thirty or maybe more people who are latent fingerprint examiners 302 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:50.399 or experts, etc. And weighs all their opinions. And given 303 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:53.879 the high number of people whose opinions he solicited, certainly 304 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:56.799 he wasn't sending the original to all them, nor was 305 00:14:56.840 --> 00:14:58.720 he having all of them come into his lab to 306 00:14:58.720 --> 00:14:59.480 see the originals. 307 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:01.960 Right, No, no, he was. I believe he was either 308 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:05.360 walking around with the actual originals and going to their 309 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:07.799 labs whenever possible, or sending them copies. 310 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:11.600 Do you think the better alternative then, for something where 311 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:15.200 there are really extensive or detailed, dramaticlyphics, would just be 312 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:18.759 high resolution photographs with some kind of a scale. 313 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:21.320 I think photos are one thing, but there's nothing like 314 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:22.360 happening to cast in front of it. 315 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:23.120 Uh. 316 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:28.360 Oh, did we wake Bobo up? Is that him? Stay 317 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:31.480 tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo 318 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:39.399 will be right back after these messages. 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I 367 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:54.920 heard him for a minute, yes, but I don't know 368 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:57.039 if he can hear us, which is something that our 369 00:17:57.079 --> 00:17:58.079 audience might enjoy. 370 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:01.920 Can you hear us? Bobo? Bobo? 371 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:06.200 Okay, ladies and gentlemen. This happens every week every time 372 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:08.519 Cliff and I log on. We can hear Bobo, but 373 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:11.759 he can't hear us. And the problem is we have 374 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:14.400 to get it all sorted out before we hit record 375 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:17.519 because our interface doesn't allow you to change your settings. 376 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:21.440 So right now, you guys are hearing Bobo. You'll probably 377 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:23.599 hear him get pretty frustrated. But we've been wanting to 378 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:24.240 capture this. 379 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:27.079 Okay, we're typing to him because we have the little screen, 380 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:28.160 So Bobo, can you hear us? 381 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:33.720 And he says, no, this is simply I've been wanting 382 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:35.039 to capture for quite a while. 383 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:42.920 He's moaning, it's like listening to a bear sleep in 384 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:43.880 a cave or something. 385 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:46.559 Bru Oh, now he can hear us. 386 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:47.599 Yeah, bobes is here. 387 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:51.559 I thought it was Wednesday today. Yeah. 388 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:55.000 I wasn't even I was just I just saw that 389 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:57.759 pro something link. I was like, oh. 390 00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:01.720 Shit, you know, I was off all most of the 391 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:03.480 week as well, but I was off the other direction. 392 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:08.920 Okay, it was Friday, well, I. 393 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:10.920 Mean today, I knew it was Thursday. For most of 394 00:19:10.960 --> 00:19:13.039 the day. But you know, yesterday I also thought it 395 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:13.680 was Thursday. 396 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:16.839 Okay, you're in the mid of the future. I'm living 397 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:17.480 in the past. 398 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:20.559 You're reminiscing. 399 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:24.559 Yeah, everything good? 400 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:25.240 How you doing? 401 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:26.680