Speaker 1: Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys,
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Speaker 2: And now your hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, welcome to Big Fit and Beyond with Cliff
Speaker 3: and very often Bobo and Matt Pruit. He's around here, somewhere,
Speaker 3: lurking as he does. As you can tell by my
Speaker 3: slightly snide introduction there, Bobo is not here. We don't
Speaker 3: know where he is. He's as of right now, he's
Speaker 3: twenty minutes late. And we actually had to postpone thirty
Speaker 3: minutes before we started anything anyway, due to weather conditions
Speaker 3: and some other complications. So technically he's twenty minutes late,
Speaker 3: but I think for the spirit of it all, he's
Speaker 3: fifty minutes late. So we just said, okay, done, Bobo's
Speaker 3: flaking out. We're going to move on here and just
Speaker 3: do it without him. But it's okay because Matt Prude
Speaker 3: is here. Hi, Matt, how's it going. It's going all right,
Speaker 3: it's going all right. And of course we have Robo Bobo.
Speaker 3: How are you doing, robo Bobo? That's what I thought.
Speaker 3: That's what I thought exactly. So anyway, yeah, so all
Speaker 3: two and a half of us are here right now,
Speaker 3: So we're just going to go ahead and roll with
Speaker 3: the episode because that's what you do when you have
Speaker 3: a job. Oh, it's going to be just like he's
Speaker 3: here anyway. By the way, I don't know, Matt, if
Speaker 3: you've been hearing from people about that how much they
Speaker 3: love Phobo. I mean, the robo Bobo Phobo. It's just unbelievable.
Speaker 3: He's a huge hit.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I saw him. I saw a message from
Speaker 2: one of our members just the other day and she
Speaker 2: said something like, I had no idea how much I
Speaker 2: needed robo Bobo in my life.
Speaker 3: She has no idea how much we need him on
Speaker 3: the podcast every once in a while when he doesn't
Speaker 3: show up.
Speaker 2: So oh, it definitely comes in handy.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, And you know, Bobo may show up. He
Speaker 3: may show up, or we're going to keep our fingers
Speaker 3: crossed that you know, he actually comes through for us,
Speaker 3: or isn't dead, or isn't on the side of the
Speaker 3: road somewhere having a hitchhike, homb or you know Zella's
Speaker 3: body for like bus Fare or who knows what's going
Speaker 3: on body parts for bus Fair. I don't know. It's Bobo.
Speaker 3: So I'm sure there's going to be a story. I'm
Speaker 3: sure it's going to make everyone laugh. I'm just not
Speaker 3: sure we're going to hear it today. Oh that's great,
Speaker 3: that's great. Anyway, Matt, what do we have in store
Speaker 3: for the podcast today? Anything we want to do before
Speaker 3: we jump in and do whatever we're going to do.
Speaker 2: Well, we have a bevy of options in front of us,
Speaker 2: and so I think we have a lot to explore.
Speaker 2: I know you've been busy in the field. We always
Speaker 2: have a nice backlog of topics to cover, and so
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of news related to not only
Speaker 2: extant apes, but fossil apes, so there's a lot of
Speaker 2: that to cover. You know, there's always questions coming in,
Speaker 2: So maybe we can do some of the questions on
Speaker 2: the members side and focus on those while we wait
Speaker 2: for Bobo. But wherever you want to take it, if
Speaker 2: you want to fill the audience in on what you've
Speaker 2: been up to out in the field, or dig into
Speaker 2: the topics or all the above.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well, yeah, the field has been good. The
Speaker 3: field has been good. What have I spoken about it?
Speaker 3: I'm sure I talked about Bluff Creek, right, I can't
Speaker 3: remember if I did or not.
Speaker 2: We did talk about the Bluff Creek trip that you took.
Speaker 2: We touched on that on a member's only episode. So
Speaker 2: if you guys aren't pigeons, feel free to sign up
Speaker 2: to hear about Cliffs Bluff Creek Adventure.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was cool. I had a good time with that.
Speaker 3: Saw some new areas. I mean, I'll get to the
Speaker 3: very condensed version is I saw some new areas, made
Speaker 3: great relations with Willow Creek Museum folks who are just rad.
Speaker 3: I mean they're just not only not only are they
Speaker 3: like in the same gig as I am, you know,
Speaker 3: museum stuff, but at the same time, they're just good people.
Speaker 3: So I really enjoyed hanging out with them. I think
Speaker 3: we're going to see some really amazing things coming from
Speaker 3: our joint collaboration at the Willow Creek Museum and an ABC.
Speaker 3: Give us a year or so, and I think you're
Speaker 3: going to see some really cool stuff. So I got home,
Speaker 3: I guess after I talked about the Dermals cast yet
Speaker 3: have I done that.
Speaker 2: We did not talk about that on this main podcast.
Speaker 2: We talked about it on the members, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: our listeners would love to hear about that.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, keep it short because I want to I
Speaker 3: want to. I don't want to bore our members or
Speaker 3: anything like that. But basically, about two and a half
Speaker 3: three weeks ago or something like that, I was up
Speaker 3: at one of our locations and I found an impression
Speaker 3: in the ground and it looked very very odd, very odd. Actually,
Speaker 3: did we post the pictures to the members?
Speaker 4: Matt?
Speaker 2: I have not posted those yet, but I will go
Speaker 2: ahead and say yes and post those after this. So yeah,
Speaker 2: we posted that to the membership.
Speaker 4: Okay, good.
Speaker 3: So yeah, if you're not a member and you want
Speaker 3: to see some of the stuff we talk about, maybe
Speaker 3: you should be a member. You know, it's five bucks
Speaker 3: a month and you get an extra entire episode every
Speaker 3: single week with you know, Cliff Bobo, Matt and Robobobo,
Speaker 3: and then of course you also get this episode completely
Speaker 3: ad free, and also you get to see cool stuff like,
Speaker 3: you know, these pictures that we're going to post and stuff.
Speaker 3: So maybe that's you. Maybe you want to be a member,
Speaker 3: Maybe you want to be a pigeon. Wouldn't you like
Speaker 3: to be a pigeon too? We got I almost didn't
Speaker 3: cast a thing because it just looks so odd. It
Speaker 3: looks like an elk elbow or something. But it did
Speaker 3: have a big toe at a HeLEX, and it's just well,
Speaker 3: better safe than sorry. I'm going to put plaster in it,
Speaker 3: and boy am I glad I did. There are dramatic
Speaker 3: glyphics finger fingerprints basically, but they're on the bottom of
Speaker 3: your foot, so they're not fingerprints, but we can't call
Speaker 3: them footprints something else, so we use the Greek term
Speaker 3: dramato glyphics. And so the heel is covered with these things.
Speaker 3: So it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. I've already had
Speaker 3: our friend Dave's again, the fingerprint expert guy from Georgia.
Speaker 3: He's been a guest on the podcast here, so I've
Speaker 3: already had him take a look at it. I'm going
Speaker 3: to get a copy of the cast into his hands
Speaker 3: as soon as I'm able, and hopefully something good will
Speaker 3: come out of it. If not, it's super rad. It's
Speaker 3: super super neat to see such clear, dramatic glyphics. I
Speaker 3: wasn't even sure our substrate would do it. I knew
Speaker 3: the Blue Mountains could do it. The Blue Mountain substrate
Speaker 3: is extraordinarily fine, and I think it's glacial if I
Speaker 3: remember right, And because of that, on the microscopic level,
Speaker 3: it's kind of angular and holds together really nicely, kind
Speaker 3: of like I don't know, like like what like legos
Speaker 3: or something like it like that, the angles kind of
Speaker 3: hold the shape really well. So the Blue Mountain substrate
Speaker 3: is very, very special, which is part of the reason
Speaker 3: why Paul Freeman in West Summerlin and all the greats
Speaker 3: back there, Bill Lowry, dur Addington, David Bean, all those
Speaker 3: folks had such extraordinary casts coming out of that location.
Speaker 3: It wasn't just that they you know, some people say
Speaker 3: they were faking it, but I don't believe that a bit.
Speaker 3: They were just in the woods a lot, and they
Speaker 3: have such extraordinary you know, well, first effort number one
Speaker 3: and number two. The substrate there is fantastic and it
Speaker 3: holds prints really well. So but I wasn't so sure
Speaker 3: about our local substrate. But sure enough, dramaticallypics, man, it's
Speaker 3: really cool. Did I send you the pictures of the
Speaker 3: derms to mat or just the cast itself?
Speaker 2: Me the picture with the dermals. I was amazed at
Speaker 2: how clear they were, because you know, it takes, to
Speaker 2: your point, a certain kind of substrate to retain those,
Speaker 2: but then again, it takes a certain kind of casting
Speaker 2: material to capture those within the substrate, So a lot
Speaker 2: of planets have to align for something to come out
Speaker 2: so clearly, and they were great examples.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a really odd thing too, because it
Speaker 3: was a right foot. It was literally like in the gutter.
Speaker 3: I always call them gutters or not quite gutters. It's
Speaker 3: the trough next to four service roads that all the
Speaker 3: water runs off into, and that a lot of it
Speaker 3: is silty, so that's probably adds to this too, But
Speaker 3: that's where this track was located, and it was going
Speaker 3: parallel to the road, and it was a right foot.
Speaker 3: But the odd thing is that the left foot was
Speaker 3: obviously the next track in secession right, and it was
Speaker 3: almost ninety degrees to the right of the right foot
Speaker 3: and about thirty four inches away, if I remember correctly, uphill,
Speaker 3: slightly uphill. So I mean you do that like you
Speaker 3: stand up and take put your right foot down and
Speaker 3: your left foot has to cross over your right leg
Speaker 3: and then go uphill about thirty four to thirty five
Speaker 3: inches away. It's a very I mean, you can do it,
Speaker 3: anybody can do it, but it's a very awkward thing
Speaker 3: to do. I think I have a picture of that
Speaker 3: second print too. I'm almost positive I do. Actually, maybe
Speaker 3: you can post that for the good folks as well.
Speaker 2: I'll be happy to. Yeah, it seems like the kind
Speaker 2: of behavior if you're trying to dodge something quickly, like
Speaker 2: if you're about to put down your foot and you
Speaker 2: see that there's a snake where you're planning to step,
Speaker 2: or something you know, causing you to take quick action,
Speaker 2: or something was coming along and the thing decided to
Speaker 2: pivot and turn or make a you know, a rapid
Speaker 2: retreat or something like that. Pretty wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was kind of wondering to myself, did a
Speaker 3: hear a car coming or something to that effect. I
Speaker 3: was just walking on the side of the road, and
Speaker 3: did hear a car? Who knows it is on the
Speaker 3: side of a road after all? And you know what
Speaker 3: I did just send I just sent you the photograph
Speaker 3: of that second impression. There'm Matt, and it looks much
Speaker 3: wider than the first one does, and it was much wider.
Speaker 3: But what you can't really tell by looking at the
Speaker 3: photograph is that it was on a slope. The slope
Speaker 3: was going up, you know, towards the toes and also
Speaker 3: to the left hand side of the of the impression,
Speaker 3: so that the outer side of the foot is also uphill.
Speaker 3: So when you look at that, that kind of explains
Speaker 3: how it's wide, because the foot came down and probably
Speaker 3: slid a little bit. So very interesting impression, Super cool,
Speaker 3: And also I learned a little bit more here because
Speaker 3: the original the derma dermaticlyphics are are just great. They're astonishing.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: I really took my time when I was making the
Speaker 3: latex mold for this thing because I wanted the derms
Speaker 3: to come through really well. And yeah, yeah, the derms
Speaker 3: came through, but they are maybe half, maybe half, if
Speaker 3: I'm being generous, as clear as the originals are. So
Speaker 3: I was astonished at I was really surprised at how
Speaker 3: much the dermaticglyphics just didn't come through. They faded basically
Speaker 3: in some areas where there are very clear dramatical epics
Speaker 3: on the impression, there are no dramatical epics on the copies.
Speaker 3: So I think that in itself is of great interest
Speaker 3: because all I have are first generation copies in some cases,
Speaker 3: or even second generation copies of other casts like the
Speaker 3: Dermal's cast from nineteen eighty two to the Paul Freeman stuff. Wrinklefoot,
Speaker 3: for example, has some dramatical efics on it, and then
Speaker 3: I've got a second, second generation cast of that, so
Speaker 3: a lot of information is lost. So I learned a
Speaker 3: big lesson this week is that, Okay, copies are great,
Speaker 3: but there's nothing I mean, I knew this anyway, but
Speaker 3: it really was driven home. Nothing replaces the original. Nothing
Speaker 3: replaces the original.
Speaker 4: Why do you think that is?
Speaker 2: Do you think just the latex mold isn't thin enough
Speaker 2: to get between a lot of those cracks.
Speaker 3: I think part of it is it's very difficult to
Speaker 3: clean all of the dirt out between the ridges on
Speaker 3: a cast, and on the original that's slightly miscolored or
Speaker 3: darker lion that is in the bottom of the furrow
Speaker 3: accentuates the dramatical effics on the original. But remember you're
Speaker 3: not you're not seeing color on a on a latex mold,
Speaker 3: You're you're only getting the depth between the fur you know,
Speaker 3: between the ridges. So if there's a little bit of dirt,
Speaker 3: and you know, these things are maybe one millimeter wide,
Speaker 3: you know, so it doesn't take much much soil or
Speaker 3: substrate or anything to fill up that that that that
Speaker 3: canyon between the ridges and the latex, it only records
Speaker 3: like a three dimensionality to the to the impression. And
Speaker 3: if that the the canyon in between the two ridges
Speaker 3: has a little little tiny bit of substrate in it,
Speaker 3: then the latex doesn't fill in as far and you
Speaker 3: just kind of lose it.
Speaker 2: That makes sense, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that Doctor Meldrim was talking to me about
Speaker 3: that a few weeks ago, and we were in the
Speaker 3: Airbnb together because we see at the same place and
Speaker 3: for the Kentucky gig out there with Charlie Raymond, and
Speaker 3: we were talking about how the original of the wrinkle foot,
Speaker 3: that's a problem with that one. And so it comes
Speaker 3: I guess it comes down to cleaning it, you know.
Speaker 3: And I did take a very very soft brush, like
Speaker 3: the first whenever I get a cast, the first thing
Speaker 3: I do well, I mean I'd let it sit around
Speaker 3: for a minute. But after that, when I go to
Speaker 3: clean it, I don't use a brush. I use water essentially,
Speaker 3: you know, like I spray it down with the hose
Speaker 3: because it doesn't really do anything to the plaster and
Speaker 3: it doesn't ruin it. And when the cast is still green,
Speaker 3: I don't use a brush on it because I don't
Speaker 3: want to introduce lines because those lines could be misconstrued
Speaker 3: as dramatically pics. So but after the cast is set
Speaker 3: a bit, you know, and it's not green per se anymore,
Speaker 3: what I do is I get a very very soft brush,
Speaker 3: like a very soft toothbrush is what I use in
Speaker 3: this case, and then I get warm water. Warm water
Speaker 3: is better because warm water breaks in the cohesion of
Speaker 3: the water molecules. Cold water will work, of course, but
Speaker 3: warm water water is better. That's why we wash our
Speaker 3: hands with warm water. It's because it breaks in the
Speaker 3: water cohesion of the water molecules and it can get
Speaker 3: into the nooks and crannies better. So I use warmer
Speaker 3: kind of hot water, and I put a very very
Speaker 3: gentle stream over the cast as I very gently do
Speaker 3: circular motions with the toothbrush, the soft bristle toothbrush that
Speaker 3: I was using. And that's a really good job clean
Speaker 3: and stuff. It's excellent, but you can't really get everything
Speaker 3: every single time. I could probably do another once over,
Speaker 3: but god, I spent like an hour doing that before
Speaker 3: to get to clean this one off so far. But anyway,
Speaker 3: I think it would be an interesting study. Perhaps it's
Speaker 3: certainly been an interesting topic to explore. Comparing the original
Speaker 3: with a copy and see what artifacts you can see
Speaker 3: on the copy that were once originally dramatic glyphics on
Speaker 3: the original. Makes sense. It's kind of hard for me
Speaker 3: to put this into words in a way, but does
Speaker 3: this make sense to you? Am I sending coherent?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: That certainly makes sense. It would be an interesting endeavor
Speaker 2: to to get your hands if you could on as
Speaker 2: many originals that had potential dramaticglyphics within them, because it
Speaker 2: really makes you wonder about the people who applied their
Speaker 2: expertise to dramaticglyphics and cast. Certainly in at least half,
Speaker 2: if not more, of those, they were looking at copies
Speaker 2: and not the originals, right, I mean, I'm sure when
Speaker 2: Krantz sent around the Blue Mountains cast that had dramaticglyphics
Speaker 2: in it that he wrote about in the paper in
Speaker 2: the Journal of Cryptozoology, where I think he cites like
Speaker 2: thirty or maybe more people who are latent fingerprint examiners
Speaker 2: or experts, etc. And weighs all their opinions. And given
Speaker 2: the high number of people whose opinions he solicited, certainly
Speaker 2: he wasn't sending the original to all them, nor was
Speaker 2: he having all of them come into his lab to
Speaker 2: see the originals.
Speaker 3: Right, No, no, he was. I believe he was either
Speaker 3: walking around with the actual originals and going to their
Speaker 3: labs whenever possible, or sending them copies.
Speaker 2: Do you think the better alternative then, for something where
Speaker 2: there are really extensive or detailed, dramaticlyphics, would just be
Speaker 2: high resolution photographs with some kind of a scale.
Speaker 3: I think photos are one thing, but there's nothing like
Speaker 3: happening to cast in front of it.
Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 4: Can you hear us? Bobo? Bobo?
Speaker 2: Okay, ladies and gentlemen. This happens every week every time
Speaker 2: Cliff and I log on. We can hear Bobo, but
Speaker 2: he can't hear us. And the problem is we have
Speaker 2: to get it all sorted out before we hit record
Speaker 2: because our interface doesn't allow you to change your settings.
Speaker 2: So right now, you guys are hearing Bobo. You'll probably
Speaker 2: hear him get pretty frustrated. But we've been wanting to
Speaker 2: capture this.
Speaker 3: Okay, we're typing to him because we have the little screen,
Speaker 3: So Bobo, can you hear us?
Speaker 2: And he says, no, this is simply I've been wanting
Speaker 2: to capture for quite a while.
Speaker 3: He's moaning, it's like listening to a bear sleep in
Speaker 3: a cave or something.
Speaker 2: Bru Oh, now he can hear us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bobes is here.
Speaker 4: I thought it was Wednesday today. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I wasn't even I was just I just saw that
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Speaker 3: Shit, you know, I was off all most of the
Speaker 3: week as well, but I was off the other direction.
Speaker 4: Okay, it was Friday, well, I.
Speaker 3: Mean today, I knew it was Thursday. For most of
Speaker 3: the day. But you know, yesterday I also thought it
Speaker 3: was Thursday.
Speaker 4: Okay, you're in the mid of the future. I'm living
Speaker 4: in the past.
Speaker 3: You're reminiscing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everything good?
Speaker 3: How you doing?
Speaker 4: Oh good?
Speaker 5: We just went out today testro of cars. Create got
Speaker 5: some program. I guess I'm gonna go I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 5: go for it now too. If you if you live,
Speaker 5: like in a low income area, you make a certain
Speaker 5: amount of money, you qualify for these grants in California
Speaker 5: that are crazy, dude, Create you got seventeen thousand, five
Speaker 5: hundred dollars of free money that it has all I think.
Speaker 5: I think it has to be a plug in and
Speaker 5: it has to be at least a twenty eighteen or newer.
Speaker 3: Oh so like an electrical huh an electric car?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So she's getting like a twenty twenty three Nissan
Speaker 5: Leaf with like twenty one thousand miles for like twenty
Speaker 5: one thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 4: But I just I was getting all stoked on the batteris.
Speaker 5: I'm always thinking about therms, you know, like recording and
Speaker 5: you know, surveillance.
Speaker 3: Ski surveillance gear. I get it, But you say, that
Speaker 3: to the wrong crowd. Theyre gonna think you're a creep.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know. So Matt and I were catching
Speaker 3: up on some stuff, talking about some I told you
Speaker 3: about the Dorms cast I got recently, right the dermals on.
Speaker 5: The Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's raw. You send me some pictures.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're talking about how I just made a mold.
Speaker 3: But even though I was I took a lot of time.
Speaker 3: It was painstaking, but as good a mold as I
Speaker 3: could make, it make one make the Dorms don't all
Speaker 3: come through. A lot of them did, but they don't
Speaker 3: all come through and maybe realize that there's no substitute
Speaker 3: for the original cast. So we're kind of talking about
Speaker 3: where some of the original casts are and that sort
Speaker 3: of thing. But you know, I have a couple original
Speaker 3: Freeman casts in my collection. I have them, you know,
Speaker 3: Michael passed them on to for holding or whatever, and
Speaker 3: I they're actually in my possession. And one of them
Speaker 3: was from the Wanaha nineteen eighty six or whatever, and
Speaker 3: it was one that the Steigers were passing around for
Speaker 3: a long time. Yeah, and it turns out there's dramatical
Speaker 3: effics on there. There's actually a really really big patch
Speaker 3: of the dramaticallypics at the joint where the falangies the
Speaker 3: big the fingers, basically the toes the falangies meet the
Speaker 3: metatarsals under the first digit. There's a lot of dramatical ethics,
Speaker 3: and so I looked at the original and I pulled
Speaker 3: out my copy because the Stigers gave me a copy
Speaker 3: many many many years ago, and I have a mold
Speaker 3: of it as well, some but not all, of the
Speaker 3: dramatical ethics transferred. They're thinking, wow, this is really interesting.
Speaker 3: So if you lose like half each time you make
Speaker 3: a mold, you know, you do the math and before
Speaker 3: long you don't really have germs on them. But it
Speaker 3: was really interesting to see the original and see how
Speaker 3: extensive those derms were compared to again first gener copy
Speaker 3: of it. So I pulled out another one of the
Speaker 3: original Freeman casts. I have one from nineteen eighty six,
Speaker 3: from April nineteen eighty six. It's one of I think
Speaker 3: four or five that were casts in a row. And
Speaker 3: there's a couple of really nice articles and there's been
Speaker 3: really really closely looked at by a number of scientists
Speaker 3: like doctor Meldrim. Obviously doctor Krantz actually visited the scene.
Speaker 3: Greg May who's not a scientist but he's a professional tracker.
Speaker 3: He showed up there as well, and a couple other
Speaker 3: people were there, and a couple articles were written about it.
Speaker 3: And there's small small patches like maybe one square centimeter
Speaker 3: of dramaticallypics on that one too, And that's the only
Speaker 3: one from the series that I have in my possession.
Speaker 3: I have a first or second generation copy of another
Speaker 3: one of the prints, but that's only original from that
Speaker 3: series of five or whatever, however many were casts. I
Speaker 3: think there were five. I've got copies of the other ones,
Speaker 3: but I have had the opportunity to take photographs of
Speaker 3: the originals and doctor Meldrum's lab, and the other ones
Speaker 3: actually have germs on them, so maybe one of these
Speaker 3: days those will end up. I know, eventually the Freeman
Speaker 3: collection will end up in the NABC on display because
Speaker 3: you know, when doctor Meldrim retires. But really really interesting stuff.
Speaker 3: So we were kind of shooting the poop about that
Speaker 3: for a while and we didn't even get to this
Speaker 3: past week. Well, last week I went big footing and
Speaker 3: I spent got ten hours out there for nothing at all,
Speaker 3: nothing at all, But then I went out yesterday. Bobo
Speaker 3: and I went to the Outer Rim, which is one
Speaker 3: of our locations, and we call it that because it's
Speaker 3: so far out it takes a long time to get there,
Speaker 3: that roads are crappy, et cetera. But anyway, I was
Speaker 3: out there yesterday because last year Shane Corson and I
Speaker 3: went out. We cast like eight prints in one day.
Speaker 3: There were three different individuals. If anybody's had the opportunity
Speaker 3: to see me do a live event this year, the
Speaker 3: finds out at that location feature prominently in my presentation
Speaker 3: that I'm doing this year. There were three different individuals
Speaker 3: asquatches present a seventeen inch foot and it's a legit
Speaker 3: seventeen by the way, it is huge. It's not this
Speaker 3: isn't a slide print because the slidey ones were like
Speaker 3: twenty two to twenty three inches. This is a legit
Speaker 3: seventeen inch long impression that the sing leaves. So there
Speaker 3: was a seventeen inch print, a fourteen inch of that
Speaker 3: might have been thirteen and a half and an eight
Speaker 3: inch print last year, and we found where the thing
Speaker 3: came out of the ravine and walked around it. It's
Speaker 3: really fantastic fine. We documented like thirty footprints in a
Speaker 3: row out there last year, and that was in May
Speaker 3: that we found those, so I was thinking, no, they
Speaker 3: probably came up in April. So we've been hitting that
Speaker 3: spot about once or twice a month ever since April,
Speaker 3: thinking where are they? Where are and they're just never there.
Speaker 3: We weren't finding footprints or anything like that until yesterday. Yesterday,
Speaker 3: I went out there with our good friend Kelly Lemieux.
Speaker 3: He's been on the podcast before. He's that bass player
Speaker 3: friend of mine who plays for Buck Cherry, but he's
Speaker 3: not on t right now. So we wanted to go
Speaker 3: to the woods, and I wanted to go out there,
Speaker 3: and I don't go there alone. I go to a
Speaker 3: lot of places alone, but I don't really go there alone.
Speaker 3: I was gonna walk and walk to the swamp, but
Speaker 3: I have a couple of game cameras out there, and
Speaker 3: every single game camera set I get well plenty of
Speaker 3: bear obviously, but a very large mountain lion walking up
Speaker 3: and down. So that's one of the places I don't
Speaker 3: really go alone for the most part, but I'll go
Speaker 3: with friends and stuff. I'll maybe walk the abandoned logging
Speaker 3: road or something. But I'm not going to go to
Speaker 3: the swamp.
Speaker 2: Have you considered a porcupine quill headdress?
Speaker 3: I have not. I have not.
Speaker 2: I know a guy is a money maker suggestion. Oh
Speaker 2: he had the porcupine quills and everything. He had already
Speaker 2: acquired the quills.
Speaker 3: I remember.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've seen the box of quills. It's a
Speaker 2: great idea.
Speaker 4: But it's not a bad idea.
Speaker 6: No, I totally dig it. I think it's amazing. Get
Speaker 6: on at bobs you want with the shape of a mullet,
Speaker 6: so like it covers your neck too. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 6: think that was the intended design.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was to be like you wear it, but
Speaker 2: the quills are like the back of your skull and
Speaker 2: they drape down your your back and over the back
Speaker 2: of your neck and your shoulders like a cascading, flowing mullet.
Speaker 4: Oh, you have to make them.
Speaker 3: You'd have to make them erect at some point though,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, I guess it would be because those
Speaker 3: are probably just modified hair at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine if you could make a whole suit that
Speaker 2: had like turtle shell elbow pads and knee pads, like
Speaker 2: a ulcufied quill headdress and just like all animal parts,
Speaker 2: to use mother Nature's protective capabilities to build like a
Speaker 2: chimerical exoskeleton.
Speaker 3: Well you saw that guy that was living amongst the
Speaker 3: goats for a while, right, No, No, that was a
Speaker 3: big news item, like a year ago or two years ago.
Speaker 3: You got like a grant and one an award, and yeah,
Speaker 3: he was like for a week or two. I don't know,
Speaker 3: I'm making this up a week. Maybe maybe it's just
Speaker 3: a day. I don't know, but look it up. I
Speaker 3: kid you not some guy some biologists basically didn't quite
Speaker 3: put on a goat costume, but he went down on
Speaker 3: all fours and he had these like so he was
Speaker 3: a quadruped and he would hang out with goats like
Speaker 3: mountain goats and eat with them, and he wore a
Speaker 3: helmet because they'd always butt them and it was ridiculous.
Speaker 3: That kind of reminds me of that awesome but we digress.
Speaker 3: The footprints were there yesterday. I guess it was an
Speaker 3: already long shot. I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 4: We're talking about mony there. I know, I know.
Speaker 3: Money makers are preferred topic, but the sasquatches were back
Speaker 3: yesterday so I came back with a couple of casts,
Speaker 3: a bunch of new scans, and some other stuff. It's
Speaker 3: pretty neat stuff. And now we got to go back
Speaker 3: next week to go to the swamp because we'd have
Speaker 3: time to go to the swamp.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 3: Sorry to make it so long, but it was caught
Speaker 3: in my own head there for a minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, being in a place with big mountain lions, it's
Speaker 2: thankfully something I don't have to worry about too much.
Speaker 2: So that would be a good consideration for you, since
Speaker 2: you're off and out there alone. I don't blame you
Speaker 2: for not going to that spot alone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just too early. It's too early. The cat's
Speaker 3: really big, man.
Speaker 5: It Every once in a while, can you cast a
Speaker 5: print maybe if you get a chance.
Speaker 4: I don't bother, but I mean I could.
Speaker 5: If you saw the biggest mountainline print you ever saw,
Speaker 5: it would be cool to get a copy of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if it ever said, like, you know, if it
Speaker 3: went it stepped in the right place, you know, like
Speaker 3: something or something. Not a lot of those out there though.
Speaker 3: Oh you know, my anniversary was this past week. Oh congratulations,
Speaker 3: thanks eight years with Melissa in eight best years of
Speaker 3: my life. But the reason I bring this up is,
Speaker 3: you know, we've been together. We have been together thirty
Speaker 3: years or something like that, but we've been together eight years.
Speaker 3: That's a pretty good chunk of time. And I'm still
Speaker 3: learning things about her. And I learned something about her
Speaker 3: this past week. I did not know what was. She
Speaker 3: has concerns when she leaves the house about her outfit.
Speaker 3: And it's not just like I want to look good
Speaker 3: or something like that. You know, it's not that sort
Speaker 3: of thing, because she's not really that kind of not
Speaker 3: that kind of woman. She always looks good to me,
Speaker 3: I guess. But but when she leaves the house, she
Speaker 3: doesn't want to she has to watch what she wears
Speaker 3: in case she dies. She doesn't want that to be
Speaker 3: her haunting outfit.
Speaker 5: Oh that's awesome. That is That's the best thing I've
Speaker 5: ever heard.
Speaker 3: I just love her so much and you can see why.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like she's always impossible. Uh yeah, we're
Speaker 3: talking like yeah, because she has she's taken to wearing
Speaker 3: these like almost like miss roper robes in a way
Speaker 3: like and not not not quite that, not quite that
Speaker 3: same style, but like robes like a bathrobe sort of thing,
Speaker 3: but very colorful and what and she just she I
Speaker 3: don't like to go outside and that in case, you know,
Speaker 3: I get killed or something. I don't want to have
Speaker 3: to haunt people wearing that.
Speaker 5: What do you not let create like, don't even mention
Speaker 5: to her about dying in the wrong outfit, because I'm
Speaker 5: sure with also do that with her.
Speaker 4: How do I look for going out?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: So, are you guys late more often because she takes
Speaker 2: a while to get ready or because you're Bobo.
Speaker 3: Well there's a little Bobo in all of us.
Speaker 4: Uh No, she's like super on time.
Speaker 2: You need to ask her for tips?
Speaker 3: Oh, man, Boba's not going to get any tips, man,
Speaker 3: she yells me.
Speaker 4: She yells me the tips.
Speaker 2: We've come to appreciate the lateness. That's what robo Bobo's for.
Speaker 3: In the interim, Yeah, we started without you, so we
Speaker 3: did it with robo Bobo for a minute.
Speaker 4: Prove us and stoked.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 3: Bobo will be right back. After these messages.
Speaker 2: We were going to touch on the topics, but I
Speaker 2: think given the circumstances, there might not have been time
Speaker 2: for everyone to study up on topic, So maybe we
Speaker 2: kicked that down the road and continue the Globo catch up.
Speaker 2: But I also think for the audience, you know, without
Speaker 2: getting into too many details, I've been traveling since the
Speaker 2: fifth and spending a lot of time with my dad
Speaker 2: helping him with some things. And my dad has very
Speaker 2: much taken a liking to the character of Bobo, and
Speaker 2: so today I had to drive him to a number
Speaker 2: of places to help get a lot of things done,
Speaker 2: and so I spent all the drive time cycling between
Speaker 2: my favorite Bobo stories in various episodes. Much to his delight,
Speaker 2: they were greatly enjoyable. So at some point, folks, I
Speaker 2: will put together a super like all Bobo story Times episode.
Speaker 2: Although that'll take a while, but it will happen. But
Speaker 2: then maybe today we can get another Bobo story Time
Speaker 2: at some point.
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know any.
Speaker 2: Cliff has a list. Oh I do have a list.
Speaker 2: I'm sure the pigeons wouldn't mind if we spun the
Speaker 2: randomizer over here on the main show see main listeners.
Speaker 2: What you guys may not know is that on the
Speaker 2: member's side, we have members submit random words and then
Speaker 2: I put him into something that will select one randomly
Speaker 2: and that Bobo has a story that goes with that word,
Speaker 2: we'll hear it. We've gotten some pretty epic stories that way,
Speaker 2: So if you're a fan of Bobo's story time, you're
Speaker 2: gonna hear a lot more on the member side.
Speaker 3: Well, now, I pulled up my Bobo story Time list,
Speaker 3: and I know we've done some of these, but I
Speaker 3: think that some of these other ones I don't. I
Speaker 3: don't think we've done and I can't even remember what
Speaker 3: the stories are. I know we've done the Tahitian Princess
Speaker 3: marriage Escape. I know that one. These are just actually,
Speaker 3: these are all amazing song names too.
Speaker 4: I know we did.
Speaker 5: I know we did the cardboard box Monk because I
Speaker 5: got the pizza boxes. I got a lot of comments
Speaker 5: on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now, you won't do a turd in the driveway?
Speaker 4: Right, Monkey's passed. I don't speak ill of the dead.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure it was Monkey's turd we're talking about.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: I know about the story, but I haven't heard the
Speaker 2: story directly from Bobo because he has refused to tell
Speaker 2: it on previous episodes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is that a no? Go?
Speaker 3: Uh listen, noga, Okay, Okay, we've done hot yoga, right.
Speaker 2: I have not heard hot yoga.
Speaker 4: Yeah we did.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, man, I've not heard that story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I told it. Way, gather around. It's bulbo story, dude.
Speaker 2: He's going to see some things that all blown classic.
Speaker 2: Any scene he's flying, he's going a kute yo.
Speaker 4: Me high for you.
Speaker 2: Once again, it's bubo story. Any description of felonious or
Speaker 2: criminal activity is being told here strictly for entertainment purposes,
Speaker 2: and is in no way admission of guilt or even
Speaker 2: true for that matter.
Speaker 5: I started doing that hot yoga, and I was this
Speaker 5: in some this some days because it works sometimes. And
Speaker 5: then we'd go out and we had it was this
Speaker 5: time of the year, like real late season for crab,
Speaker 5: but there was a little bit of a late spring
Speaker 5: early summer run.
Speaker 3: Oh, this is when you're a fisherman then, and so
Speaker 3: you'd be going on of the fishing boats for How
Speaker 3: long was a trip on the boats?
Speaker 4: Oh, that was just a day.
Speaker 5: We'd leave it like four or five in the morning,
Speaker 5: get back at like four or five in the evening.
Speaker 5: A quarter day was a six hour half day, it
Speaker 5: was a twelve hour and a full day. It'd be
Speaker 5: a twenty four hour three quarter to be eighteen hours,
Speaker 5: so it's like a half day, like five to five
Speaker 5: or something four to four. And I was I missed
Speaker 5: young and I and the instructor I knew a little bit,
Speaker 5: and she was all stoked I was there, and I
Speaker 5: was like, I think there was just me and some
Speaker 5: old hitting guy at war, like all spand it, tight
Speaker 5: eyed spandex and it was all women.
Speaker 4: And so she said, oh, come on in, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: like you're fine, you know, just come in. I said,
Speaker 4: I'm walking over work like stinking.
Speaker 5: She goes, I don't worry about I said, well, I said,
Speaker 5: when I go on, I said, well, I didn't come
Speaker 5: in last time because we're only going out of like
Speaker 5: seven to ten days to turn gear and change the bait.
Speaker 5: So like that, the old bait will be like a
Speaker 5: week old, like rotten mackerel sitting in underwater for a week.
Speaker 5: And so you pulled that up and there's mud all
Speaker 5: over the pot and the MUDs it's just rotten. It's
Speaker 5: like it's just it's like rott it's got all that
Speaker 5: it's all in imbedded with that funk from the from
Speaker 5: the just get you smell the worst you ever smell it,
Speaker 5: because when you said bait, you never set rotten bait.
Speaker 4: You know, it's just the stuff that's left over.
Speaker 5: So in the mud in the in the pot, you've
Speaker 5: got these bait jars, and those jars get just packed
Speaker 5: with mud, and it's like a slimy mud like with
Speaker 5: uh squid and mackerel and tune of like juice, like
Speaker 5: rotten juice all through the bit. It's just disgusting. It
Speaker 5: gets all over you. And so I said, I can't
Speaker 5: come in. I mean, I I smell so bad when
Speaker 5: I when I get.
Speaker 4: Off the boat. She goes, oh, don't worry about it.
Speaker 5: You know, just people come in all the time from
Speaker 5: work and you know, like working out me, we sweat
Speaker 5: all the time, so everyone gets a little smelling there.
Speaker 5: Said oh okay. So I went in there and I
Speaker 5: took my spot. There's about twenty five people thirty people
Speaker 5: in the class somewhere is around there. And they turned
Speaker 5: the room to one hundred and five degrees. So I said, there,
Speaker 5: I came in. I was like, all right, well, yeah,
Speaker 5: she said, don't worry about it. So I'm not worried
Speaker 5: about So I came in and we're stretching. This big
Speaker 5: fat hippie chick comes in next to with like big
Speaker 5: thick like dreadlocks, and she was I mean she had
Speaker 5: she was pushing like three point fifty probably, and she
Speaker 5: was super hairy, like she had like she was she.
Speaker 4: Was haaer than I was. Like her arms and legs
Speaker 4: and arm pits and stuff.
Speaker 5: She was like she was a pretty pretty natural woman whatever.
Speaker 5: And so I'm next to her, and uh, we're you know,
Speaker 5: and some people get sick in class sometimes we're about
Speaker 5: we're about half hour in. I was like, God, I'm
Speaker 5: getting dizzy, Like I smelled so bad, and the heat
Speaker 5: just starts smelling worse and worse, and it was making
Speaker 5: me like feel sick. And then and people get sick
Speaker 5: of there just because of the heat sometimes, especially like
Speaker 5: later later in the class. So you know, we're in
Speaker 5: there doing our thing, and like this lady behind me
Speaker 5: gets up and runs out of the hallway and blows
Speaker 5: child as pews. Then some other lady and the others
Speaker 5: on the other side of me, or I mean in
Speaker 5: front of that, in front of the girl that next
Speaker 5: to me, she runs out and like throws up in
Speaker 5: her hands in the room as she's heading for the door,
Speaker 5: and then the teacher's walking around like having er up,
Speaker 5: and she's here, yeah, but we gotta get like, you know, get.
Speaker 4: This straight or whatever.
Speaker 5: And she goes, it's you, it's you, and I want
Speaker 5: what and like she goes that smell.
Speaker 4: Like they thought it was that.
Speaker 5: They thought it was that big fat hippie chick the
Speaker 5: whole time, so no one said anything, but then it
Speaker 5: was a dude. All of a sudden, it's like a
Speaker 5: big problem. So they start yelling at me. They like
Speaker 5: also like there's like fifteen people are going you know,
Speaker 5: all women, just going like, oh.
Speaker 4: My god, get out, get out like that.
Speaker 5: And she as I was going on, I was, I
Speaker 5: was kind of perplexed at first. I was like, like
Speaker 5: because there was just like they had built up so
Speaker 5: much hostility they were they were holding it in for her,
Speaker 5: but as soon as they found out it was me,
Speaker 5: it was like it was just freaking claws out, knives out.
Speaker 5: And then she has I was leaving, she goes, don't
Speaker 5: ever come back. I was just I was like, no problem,
Speaker 5: and so I rolled.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. I've never heard that story before ever.
Speaker 3: I thought you may have told it on the podcast
Speaker 3: as well, Bob, So I was on your side on
Speaker 3: that one, but I thought I did got a trust
Speaker 3: Matt's memory though, it's better than both of us put together.
Speaker 4: Plus he edits it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he listens more than anybody does.
Speaker 2: Indeed, that is a good one. That's pretty gnarly man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's unfair.
Speaker 3: You can't smell.
Speaker 2: I kind of want to know what else is on
Speaker 2: the list now.
Speaker 3: I can just go, well, we should save the stories
Speaker 3: for a future day. But I got a bunch of
Speaker 3: great titles here if you want to. Uh Now, top
Speaker 3: of the list now is turn in the Driveway. I
Speaker 3: just love that title. Kenny Loggins ademned them. Did we
Speaker 3: ever do that one? Yeah, you guys can help me.
Speaker 3: I'm going to name the name the stories, and if
Speaker 3: we've done them, I'll raise him from my list.
Speaker 2: So see, I don't know what the addendum is.
Speaker 4: I don't know that is either.
Speaker 3: Oh really, they're the one who put on me to
Speaker 3: put it on. Okay, great white weight belt.
Speaker 4: Oh I told that one. That one we did here.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll erase that one. How about the Cliffhanger White Shark.
Speaker 3: Oh you were on the side of the cliff, right
Speaker 3: is that the story.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I got well, I got Boston of the cliff.
Speaker 7: I got I got h Boston into the Luckily it
Speaker 7: was so it was high tide and that was in
Speaker 7: the swell was so big. It was like twenty seven
Speaker 7: at twenty I think it was the bees. I think
Speaker 7: it was twenty seven feet at twenty seconds. It was big.
Speaker 7: I told that one, right, provely got that one.
Speaker 2: I've never heard that one. I've only heard the ABALONEI one.
Speaker 3: Oh man, maybe I should We shouldn't do this because
Speaker 3: he's given us so much of the story. It's not
Speaker 3: the whole story, you know. Oh hell, because what else
Speaker 3: are we going to fill this time with? We we
Speaker 3: can do two bubble times in one one sitting too.
Speaker 3: We totally can, No, we can.
Speaker 4: I'm running out of stories.
Speaker 3: No, I'm on Bubbo's side. We don't want to give
Speaker 3: him too much.
Speaker 2: So far, we've got a bit of nerd deep dive,
Speaker 2: dramaticglyphic talks that gets derailed into a talk about new
Speaker 2: car test drives and batteries. People love Bobo's story.
Speaker 3: The Dennis Hopper nest. I don't know what that one is.
Speaker 3: I got Marshmallow on the clothes. I got Red light
Speaker 3: Bulb Gang, the White Suv, bag of cocaine. I don't
Speaker 3: know what that is. Taking a dump at Gimlin's house.
Speaker 3: That's a great title. I'm not sure what the story is.
Speaker 3: The Ensinnata oil check. I don't even know what this
Speaker 3: one means, tank abbot, shoulder damage. I don't even know
Speaker 3: what that means. Who helped your broken neck? John of God?
Speaker 3: I got that written down here. And Bobo encouraging the shins.
Speaker 3: I think we told that one though.
Speaker 2: No I have that one, but we've not told it
Speaker 2: on the podcast.
Speaker 3: Okay, well those are the ones I have down here
Speaker 3: for Bobo's story time.
Speaker 2: See I have a Red light Bulb Gang story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we're little, we're little kids.
Speaker 5: We used to steal all the light bulbs Christmas lives
Speaker 5: and we put the top the very wherever the highest
Speaker 5: socket was, we'd put one red light bulb.
Speaker 4: That was our call sign.
Speaker 2: See, I have a very similar story to that. That's
Speaker 2: crazy you do. Yeah, like when when I lived in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: To make a long story short, like we lived in
Speaker 2: this ritzy neighborhood that was all old retirees and we
Speaker 2: were like the only young partiers. But we lived on
Speaker 2: an easement power line easement, and so across the easement,
Speaker 2: and also there was a little creek that ran through there,
Speaker 2: so across the easement through the woods across the creek
Speaker 2: downhill was one other house that had young partiers and
Speaker 2: they had a red light bulb outside on their back patio.
Speaker 2: And so I hash this plan, like we have to
Speaker 2: go infiltrate their party, steal that light bulb, and then
Speaker 2: put it on our back porch. So they come out,
Speaker 2: there's no light on and they're looking around in the
Speaker 2: darkness up the hill. They'll see this red light and
Speaker 2: they'll know it was us. But we failed. But it's
Speaker 2: a long story, but yeah, it was a similar idea,
Speaker 2: like we were going to steal the red light bulb
Speaker 2: and then display it as like a vulgar display of power.
Speaker 4: Thought vulgar. It's just power flex.
Speaker 2: Baby, exactly, flexing all over Dunwoody, Georgia. Whereas we call
Speaker 2: fun Woody shout out to our listeners in Dunwoody, Georgia.
Speaker 2: It's got to be hundreds tens does that?
Speaker 4: Singles?
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 3: Bogo we'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: What else squash is going on?
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I'm in my own little world.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on on the outside.
Speaker 4: Oh. First off, Prudo's me an apology.
Speaker 3: I think we all owe you an apology, but particularly Pruit.
Speaker 5: When we had Mike and Daryl on the other day,
Speaker 5: Prewit said, Cliff, this applies to you and Mike and anyways,
Speaker 5: you're talking about educators.
Speaker 2: And he left me out right, You're exactly right. That
Speaker 2: was my mistake. That was an oversight.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I was trying to remember that, you know, Mike was
Speaker 2: a teacher and oh Cliff was the teacher too, and
Speaker 2: Darryl just graduated, and I totally forgot that you were
Speaker 2: doing the teacher's aid job. So that that is my fault.
Speaker 2: And well, I hope that you will accept my apology.
Speaker 4: Well, my bad.
Speaker 3: Everyone at a school is an educator, absolutely, everyone from
Speaker 3: the janitor to the secretary to teacher's aid, that the teachers,
Speaker 3: that everyone is an educator.
Speaker 5: The maintenance staff at our school was those guys are
Speaker 5: not like they're so they're impressive now, like they keep
Speaker 5: the school buses running, they fix the copiers and figure
Speaker 5: out like the computer stuff, like all the link ups
Speaker 5: throughout the campus, like security cameras. Then you know, plus
Speaker 5: maintaining all the facilities. And there's just two guys that
Speaker 5: drun the whole play. I'm just they're not going to
Speaker 5: hear this anyways, doesn't matter, but yeah, so yeah, and
Speaker 5: they help counsel the kids, you know a little bit,
Speaker 5: you know, like they'll theose kids, they'll run in the
Speaker 5: kids that are freaking out going through the halls and
Speaker 5: they'll calm down and stuff. So yeah, even the the
Speaker 5: janitorial staff is yeah, definitely part of the whole deal.
Speaker 3: Heroes, every one of them. Are you're not working this summer?
Speaker 3: Are you sorry? You were doing some camps a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks ago, but are you I've done?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've done for now.
Speaker 5: Then we're so waiting to see what something with kartas
Speaker 5: She's I'm supposed to talk about that right now?
Speaker 4: Then don't what about moving out?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we got to move out. So we're still
Speaker 5: we're still not sure where we're going to move to.
Speaker 5: We we have a place, and then we got accepted
Speaker 5: for like two of our uh three of our top
Speaker 5: pick three of the top four picks we had, we
Speaker 5: got picked, and then I think she got cold feet
Speaker 5: because she started like because you know, she's like, well,
Speaker 5: we have an outdoor cat and and the you know.
Speaker 4: People showing the properties because they're outside of town. We're like,
Speaker 4: they don't last long out here.
Speaker 5: And she she's like, I can't bear the out of
Speaker 5: June getting eat to live. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: especially there's a good chance to hear it, you know.
Speaker 5: But I was like, you know, it's like that's our deal,
Speaker 5: Like we were going to live, Like that's when the
Speaker 5: deal we're going to when we leave the beach, we're
Speaker 5: going to you know, get someone that's got somewhere in
Speaker 5: the like I got to live where a big foocking
Speaker 5: walk up to my house, Like I can't go live
Speaker 5: into some tract or something, some track, some urb.
Speaker 2: That is the dream. In fact, speaking to that, we
Speaker 2: were driving around here the other day. We're not far
Speaker 2: at all from where the Rickson project took place, and
Speaker 2: we had to travel a bit and drive through that area.
Speaker 2: So I put on the Dentis Fole episode, which is
Speaker 2: one of our most popular ones, and I re released
Speaker 2: it last year. So folks, you want to go look
Speaker 2: through the classics from last summer. One of them is
Speaker 2: did his foll in Kentucky Sasquatches. But I put that
Speaker 2: on and Emily and I listened to it. She'd heard
Speaker 2: it before when it came out in like twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: but hadn't heard it since then. I was like, can
Speaker 2: you imagine when you want to? She was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would totally do that. So she's seemingly on board
Speaker 2: to feed pancakes, aches and bread with peanut butter and
Speaker 2: syrup and honey to resident Sasquatches once we acquire said
Speaker 2: property at some point in the future.
Speaker 4: So that's right, that would be the dream.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Liver, or you choose to vacation that, you know,
Speaker 3: that's kind of airbnbu had rent, so why not live there?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: There's some references in there that the woman would call
Speaker 2: to the Sasquatches, you know, that she had a way
Speaker 2: of calling to them, and Dennis never goes into what
Speaker 2: that was, but I did learn from someone else who
Speaker 2: was there well singing, what the specific call was, because
Speaker 2: apparently when they all first got involved, including Moneymaker and
Speaker 2: Adrian Erickson, she didn't want any audio recorders out there.
Speaker 2: Because she didn't want them to hear how she called
Speaker 2: the Sasquatches. It was like her proprietary method. So eventually
Speaker 2: they captured her doing so. And apparently she was saying,
Speaker 2: come here, little monkey man.
Speaker 4: I got your little monkey man.
Speaker 2: So I told Emily she has to say that, that
Speaker 2: has to be the call, and so she's agreed.
Speaker 4: Bigfoot wasn't offended.
Speaker 2: Well, they were seeing that little juvenile, you know, and
Speaker 2: so she just come here.
Speaker 4: Little monkey man. That's so funny.
Speaker 2: So try that. Folks can't hurt. No, but I do
Speaker 2: hope you get to living a place where you can
Speaker 2: see squats in the yard.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then the place we were really stoked on,
Speaker 5: like I was the most stoked on, and then she
Speaker 5: pulled the plug on.
Speaker 4: She's reconsidered.
Speaker 5: I like, look as our options dwindled because everything opens
Speaker 5: up up here because you know, it's the university and stuff,
Speaker 5: like when the students leave, that's when the you know,
Speaker 5: most houses pop up for rent. But we don't want
Speaker 5: to move in some like students scum scummy like you know,
Speaker 5: moldy walls like you know, you know, took a student
Speaker 5: houses like around the college or thrash, you know, people
Speaker 5: partying all the time and stuff.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so she.
Speaker 5: When she saw our prospects for Drenaling, she contacted the
Speaker 5: real estate company today that that we turned down on Monday.
Speaker 5: She just contacted them and said, we will take that up.
Speaker 5: It's available, we'll take it. So if it's that one,
Speaker 5: then yeah, it's five miles up out of town on
Speaker 5: like thirteen or fourteen acres, and it's it's the there's
Speaker 5: like the row houses along the Road's like there's another
Speaker 5: second set of properties that are down behind those acres,
Speaker 5: like another couple hundred dollars.
Speaker 4: There's other houses.
Speaker 5: So you can like hear doors a couple of doors slam,
Speaker 5: like if flim slums their car doors. But other than that,
Speaker 5: you can't see any of their houses or you don't
Speaker 5: really hear anything. It's it's it was dead quiet. So yeah,
Speaker 5: it'd be pretty rad.
Speaker 3: They say fences make good neighbors, but actually large properties
Speaker 3: make even better neighbors.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, it's a bitch and old red, but it's
Speaker 5: the only thing is that super funky, Like dude, that's
Speaker 5: the thing about in Humble, Like there were so many
Speaker 5: people in the hills like that grew wee that made
Speaker 5: money that built these like houses and they never had
Speaker 5: none of them were permitted. And like if you look
Speaker 5: on the Zillow or something like that for Humboldt County
Speaker 5: and looking outside of town, those outside ranch house like
Speaker 5: these grow should build these whack houses like they would
Speaker 5: like just kind of blow out like a little flat
Speaker 5: because a lot of those gross spots are on steep
Speaker 5: hill side.
Speaker 4: They bought bex there's cheap acreage.
Speaker 5: You get a lot of acres for cheap, and it's
Speaker 5: it's easier for growing and stuff whatever. But they there's
Speaker 5: all these mc mansions mc mansions out there whatever. But
Speaker 5: like a lot of them are like just funky, like
Speaker 5: these like hippies built up and stuff like, oh, like
Speaker 5: the geometric pattern of this, like this will funnel my
Speaker 5: dream up to the heavens.
Speaker 4: This way up.
Speaker 5: I put this weird corners in the roof and it's
Speaker 5: like this house, dude.
Speaker 4: The beddings are shaped.
Speaker 5: Like diamonds and like the one room one can only
Speaker 5: fit a twin dead. The other one can fit kind
Speaker 5: of a queen if you if it's jammed in there
Speaker 5: like at a weird angle, you can kind of fit
Speaker 5: a queen in there. And then yeah, it's just it's
Speaker 5: just a funky path. The upstairs is ratshole, just one
Speaker 5: giant room. It's got killer windows and something. It's in
Speaker 5: all redwoods. It's it's pretty nice. It's got a ha
Speaker 5: saana outdoor sauna.
Speaker 3: Oh even better. Yeah, you deserve a funky house. You're
Speaker 3: a funky person.
Speaker 5: This place is pretty funky. I'm sure if you guys
Speaker 5: come down you'll see it. It's well, if we go out,
Speaker 5: it's still listed, but I'm sure it's gone because it was.
Speaker 5: It was like when we went up to go see it,
Speaker 5: like the guy was showing it all day. Well, I'm
Speaker 5: going to be down in the fall actually, oh, out
Speaker 5: somewhere by then. Yeah, yeah, you're gonna have to I
Speaker 5: think by August first, I think you were saying. So
Speaker 5: I'll be down in probably September ish. Maybe I want
Speaker 5: to go down to Willow Creek Museum. And you know,
Speaker 5: I spoke to Sarah at the Archives and Humboldt last week. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I spoke to her and about the Genzoli collection and
Speaker 5: going through that and whatever. So I'm going to go
Speaker 5: by and see her and rummage through the archives at
Speaker 5: Humble State try to learn something about how professional archivists
Speaker 5: do their thing, you know. So yeah, I will be
Speaker 5: down there, probably in town for a night and then
Speaker 5: you know, out in the woods and Willow Creek and
Speaker 5: stuff that for about three or four more nights, I think.
Speaker 3: So we'll see, we'll see. I'm not sure exactly when,
Speaker 3: but some time doween, August and October got permission to
Speaker 3: use the Jerry Crew picture for one of my displays.
Speaker 3: Oh nice, We dooing a couple of displays in the shop.
Speaker 4: So they on the picture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the pic because Andro gen Zoli took it,
Speaker 3: and then the whole Genzoli collection ended up in the archives,
Speaker 3: and so I just called her and says, yeah, no problem,
Speaker 3: go ahead and do it. Just put this at the bottom,
Speaker 3: and you know, courtesy of blah blah blah. So yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: looking forward to that.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're doing a new display in the museum about
Speaker 3: the history of the you know, I guess the nomenclature
Speaker 3: of Bigfoot. I guess in a way, it's just like
Speaker 3: where did the word bigfoot come from? Where the word
Speaker 3: sasquatch come from? That kind of thing, right, because it
Speaker 3: it was Jerry Crew, but it wasn't Jerry Crew at
Speaker 3: the same time. Jerry Crew, I guess you know, I
Speaker 3: don't want to make us You don't have to come
Speaker 3: to the museum and read it. But you know, Jerry
Speaker 3: Crew actually was calling the animal Bigfoot before Andrew Genzoli
Speaker 3: published it. But you have to tip your hat to
Speaker 3: Androgenzoli because he's the guy that published it and put
Speaker 3: it on the news wire, right, So it's kind of
Speaker 3: his thing that it's so widespread. But Jerry Crew is
Speaker 3: calling the animal. In fact, the entire roadbuilding crew was
Speaker 3: calling the animal was Bigfoot in nineteen fifty eight. But
Speaker 3: there's the Death Valley Days episode from nineteen fifty six
Speaker 3: that talks about mister Bigfoot leaving eighteen inch footprints around
Speaker 3: the water tanks at night. No one ever saw him.
Speaker 3: It's an Indian legend thing that only came.
Speaker 4: Out at night.
Speaker 3: It's basically a sasquatch and that was from nineteen fifty eight.
Speaker 3: And then you go back to the Thompson Flat stuff
Speaker 3: that you were involved in. There's Bigfoot mine and wild
Speaker 3: and wild Man mine. So and of course there is
Speaker 3: also La Cote of Sue. But like you know, white
Speaker 3: people called the chief bigfoot as a bad thing, as
Speaker 3: a derogatory term. So I don't think I'm going to
Speaker 3: put that into display, but if I do, it'll just
Speaker 3: be like a nod. It's like, yeah, this happened before there.
Speaker 3: I'm just not sure how appropriate that is. So I
Speaker 3: got to think about that. So but yeah, of course
Speaker 3: I want to use the Jerry Crew picture from from
Speaker 3: the newspaper article. So yeah, So anyway, Yeah, that's a
Speaker 3: new display that we're kind of a poking ad a
Speaker 3: little bit. We're also redoing the Patterson Giblan display.
Speaker 4: Oh you are what are you gonna put in there?
Speaker 3: Some deep dives into the footprint cast? Because the Willow
Speaker 3: Creek Museum I think could use some help with some
Speaker 3: of the details about the Bob Timmas cast. So I say, well,
Speaker 3: if I'm going to help them with stuff, i might
Speaker 3: as well make a display about it. And then I'll
Speaker 3: just give them the display and they can do what
Speaker 3: they want with the information.
Speaker 2: So I got a question for you. A listener of
Speaker 2: the podcast and friend of the show called me when
Speaker 2: I was on the road yesterday, and so I haven't
Speaker 2: had a chance to dig into this, but he encountered
Speaker 2: something on the Sasquatch Archives. That was supposedly a testimony
Speaker 2: from someone who claims that he and a friend were
Speaker 2: in Bluff Creek on October twenty at sixty seven looking
Speaker 2: for bigfoot and heard, you know, horses approaching and hid
Speaker 2: in the brush thinking that it was for service or
Speaker 2: law enforcement or something, and saw Roger and Bob that day.
Speaker 2: I think it was Charles Edson if I'm remembering correct Edson.
Speaker 5: He was a deputy sheriff from Sisko County. Yeah, he
Speaker 5: was honestome stuff. He definitely he knew about him, but
Speaker 5: he'd be asked.
Speaker 2: Oh really, because I'd never even heard that someone had
Speaker 2: made those claims before, Like because apparently there were old
Speaker 2: claims of his that he put in a book like
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 4: I had his book. I had his book.
Speaker 5: His book came out like in the late seventies or
Speaker 5: mid seventies, and I think he came out with like
Speaker 5: another little pamphlet Baby or something like in the eighties
Speaker 5: or early mid eighties. But yeah, he was a deputy sheriff,
Speaker 5: and he claims he was out there and that Roger
Speaker 5: and Bob, that he was out there big footing with
Speaker 5: his buddy, and that Roger and Bob went riding by
Speaker 5: fast with two guys on horses with a pack horse,
Speaker 5: and they thought like they didn't want to be explaining
Speaker 5: what they were doing out there, he says, So him
Speaker 5: and his buddy hid and Roger and Bob rode by,
Speaker 5: and then when they went past, they got out there
Speaker 5: and they said that. He hears, you know, like a
Speaker 5: week later, hit these guys up there filmed a big Foot,
Speaker 5: and then he heard the stories like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: we saw those guys.
Speaker 2: It was what he says, gotcha because what was his
Speaker 2: book called, like My Travels with Bigfoot or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: My Travels with Bigfoot. Yeah, yeah, I'd never even heard
Speaker 2: that name. Sounded familiar when it was brought up, but
Speaker 2: I was like, I've never heard of someone claiming that
Speaker 2: they were there and saw Roger and Bob that day
Speaker 2: to sort of like corroborate that they were there, et cetera.
Speaker 5: I think he might have been like a member of
Speaker 5: like the Klimate tribe or something or something like that,
Speaker 5: modoc or. I think he was like part native or
Speaker 5: from somewhere in northern Kyle. I think I think that
Speaker 5: was part of his story, Like he talked about I'm
Speaker 5: pretty sure he talked about I haven't read the book, dude,
Speaker 5: in thirty years.
Speaker 3: I guess it's possible, but that like I hid in
Speaker 3: the bushes until that just doesn't ring true to me.
Speaker 5: Well, see, he thought those guys were like gold, the
Speaker 5: gold miners or something, because they went by with their
Speaker 5: he thought they were just gold panthers or something. So
Speaker 5: he didn't want to explain what he was doing out there,
Speaker 5: so he just like ducked out of the way.
Speaker 4: Yeah. It still sounds suspicious though, Yeah. Interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll have to find because that listener also sent
Speaker 2: me a video, the video from Todd's Sasquatch Archives, But
Speaker 2: like I said, I haven't had a chance to listen
Speaker 2: to it. It's just been slammed.
Speaker 5: He came up probably seven or eight years ago, or
Speaker 5: maybe least maybe five or six years ago. His his
Speaker 5: whole thing came back around. I don't think he was
Speaker 5: even I think he's dead. I'm pretty I'm pretty sure
Speaker 5: he's dead. But like someone was bringing it up like, oh,
Speaker 5: this guy was legit, and then I'm sure it was
Speaker 5: Strutford or somebody, you know, Doug dug deeper on the
Speaker 5: guy and was.
Speaker 3: Like, God, I'm glad there are people like that who
Speaker 3: have the time to do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, seriously, I guess we all participate. How we can
Speaker 3: you know? Yeah, well, you know we've we've I think
Speaker 3: we've meandered long enough, Bobo, I want to put us
Speaker 3: on a straight path to the end of this thing.
Speaker 4: We'll go to the members episode.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that, but uh a bow tie on
Speaker 5: this pile and move on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, on this turn in the driveway.
Speaker 5: Yeah all right, folks, Well, thanks again for joining us
Speaker 5: this meandering conversation.
Speaker 4: If you're disappointed, I apologize I don't. Thanks.
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Speaker 5: Until next week, y'all, keep it squatchy.
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