Speaker 1: Oh redal tess are, Hello, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: This is the Cult of Conspiracy, and my name is Jonathan,
Speaker 2: I'm Jacob, and tonight is the Cult member of live show.
Speaker 3: Welcome in all the good cult members of the world.
Speaker 4: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to your Tuesdays. I hope you're having
Speaker 4: a better one than I did. Not that mine was
Speaker 4: particularly bad, but the last four hours of my life
Speaker 4: have been NonStop, balls to the wall, trying to get
Speaker 4: Kid A to field A and then Kid B two,
Speaker 4: Event B and then C. I had to just kind
Speaker 4: of make sure he got taken care of in the
Speaker 4: mix of it. Tuesday nights are just gonna be shit
Speaker 4: for me until Christmas.
Speaker 3: Just that's just the way it's gonna be. It's only
Speaker 3: a few months, but it.
Speaker 4: Is nice to know that at the end of all
Speaker 4: that I get to come here and talk with the familia.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I'm saying, dude, yeah, this is uh. I think
Speaker 2: this night plus three more will be my final nights
Speaker 2: in Texas temporarily.
Speaker 4: You'll even this so the month of September, you're gonna
Speaker 4: be there by October is what you're hoping?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So actually, I mean I should be there
Speaker 2: like end of September some some like twenty six or
Speaker 2: twenty seventh or something like that.
Speaker 3: So pretty stoked about it.
Speaker 4: Tell you, what I'm stoked about October is hunting. That's
Speaker 4: honestly where I'm at with it. My boy, my brother,
Speaker 4: he got some land and he wants to try to
Speaker 4: get us put on some deer this year, and it
Speaker 4: has been too long since I've had deer meat in
Speaker 4: the deep freeze.
Speaker 3: We're gonna try to rectify this problem this season.
Speaker 2: But you, yeah, it's nice to have that freezer filled up,
Speaker 2: Luke said, what up? By the way, I have visual
Speaker 2: simulations for my work now that that would help out
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 4: I try to keep up with you, Luke when you
Speaker 4: when you talk about your theorems and things. And it's
Speaker 4: not that I am saying, well, I don't believe him
Speaker 4: because I can't understand it. I'm saying, like, Bro, I
Speaker 4: try to keep up with you. I'm doing my damnedest,
Speaker 4: but you are. You're dealing with things that I think
Speaker 4: most human beings don't hear about until they go to college.
Speaker 4: And I went to tech school, not like traditional college.
Speaker 2: So sorry, that's that's like five. That's that's five d Like.
Speaker 3: What he's talking about.
Speaker 4: Nobody with a business degree is ever gonna hear, or
Speaker 4: even a philosophy degree or whatever liberal arts degree communications.
Speaker 4: No one of them are gonna ever understand what the
Speaker 4: fuck you're talking about. But I do believe that you're
Speaker 4: on one.
Speaker 2: So oh yes, white boy wizard said, fuck yes feel
Speaker 2: that freezer, Jacob.
Speaker 4: Yes, indeed also a white boy Wizard. I am loving
Speaker 4: your AI image that you have for yourself.
Speaker 5: That's dope.
Speaker 3: Hey, thank you talking about who Amus and ship dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I had actually just gotten done watching this.
Speaker 2: I watch a lot of witches on TikTok. It's like
Speaker 2: my favorite pastime and uh, just you know, learning about
Speaker 2: all the different herbs and astrology and spells and you know,
Speaker 2: stuff like that. I love that kind of stuff. It's
Speaker 2: just so fun. And now that we're definitely now that
Speaker 2: we're coming up on you know, the fall season, yeah, dude.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be even better.
Speaker 2: But we're actually gonna be having on this witch and
Speaker 2: she's gonna teach us how to do like a bunch
Speaker 2: of spells ever on meta.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be sick. It should be fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like a part of a coven or is
Speaker 4: like a self talk kind of situation. Like I think that,
Speaker 4: I think that she's the HWIC heard that, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, So I think she's got a little
Speaker 4: bit of that in her. I don't know if she
Speaker 4: has a coven or not, but yeah, seems very knowledgeable.
Speaker 4: I just love learning about that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: It's so cool.
Speaker 2: Tony said, Russia is not communist anymore or part of
Speaker 2: an international conspiracy.
Speaker 4: That's a random thing to throw out, Like, all right,
Speaker 4: word Tony, if you want to give a little clarification
Speaker 4: as to what you're talking about there, that would be dope.
Speaker 4: I mean, they're not communist, they're a full on oligarchy.
Speaker 4: But I mean there's an argument to be said that
Speaker 4: most First World countries are in any rate, So I mean, yeah,
Speaker 4: heard that, I mean, not a part of a global conspiracy.
Speaker 4: I feel like that's a matter of perspective.
Speaker 2: Dude, Tony, what are your thoughts, sir? Or I thought, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: whatever you're ready, Tony. We don't want to push you, Bud.
Speaker 2: Not that you're shy by any means dirty, Sanchez said,
Speaker 2: good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Good to see all y'all again,
Speaker 2: or you will.
Speaker 3: Just to be alive. Said what's up, guys? Hope all
Speaker 3: is well and.
Speaker 2: Y'all are happy and healthy thanks to much doing the
Speaker 2: best of can.
Speaker 4: I forgot to grab an energy to drink on the
Speaker 4: way home, some slug and meal energy like it's water.
Speaker 3: So we'll see how it goes, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Honey Badger said, Witches are seamen stealers.
Speaker 4: You know, you know, arguably in more way than one. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm for ritual sometimes so they try to get that
Speaker 4: child support.
Speaker 3: I guess it depends on their their motive, you know.
Speaker 2: Look, I mean, if you're going to be doing a
Speaker 2: kind of spell on a specific individual who is a male,
Speaker 2: you would be you would be better off with his
Speaker 2: semen than his hair or his nails, right.
Speaker 4: I could just see it like they go talk to
Speaker 4: their other witches and be like, yeah, what's up, witches,
Speaker 4: Listen here. I just did a money spell last night,
Speaker 4: and I think it's gonna work out here in.
Speaker 3: About a year. Oh no way, why is it?
Speaker 4: I fucked a really rich guy and use sex magic
Speaker 4: to make him come inside, and I told him I
Speaker 4: was on birth control, but of course I was doing
Speaker 4: it to the to the praises of hathor praise b
Speaker 4: and you know, I don't know, I don't know, but
Speaker 4: I just so happen to think that my finance.
Speaker 3: Will be getting a ethereal blessing and about.
Speaker 2: Actually, what's funny is is that especially all over TikTok,
Speaker 2: I don't know, probably Instagram too, but I see a
Speaker 2: lot of witches working either with Hecita or somebody that
Speaker 2: is known as the Morrigan also also known as and
Speaker 2: I don't know, some people get them confused. I'm not
Speaker 2: even exactly sure, but there is the Maiden Mother Crone,
Speaker 2: which sometimes intersects.
Speaker 3: With the Morgan.
Speaker 4: I think, so here's where those two stem from. Hecate
Speaker 4: is a very very old deity. But the reason why
Speaker 4: so many witch covens are actually trying to put her
Speaker 4: as they're like head hbic if you will, is because
Speaker 4: of Sabrina the Teenage, which the Netflix series, because at
Speaker 4: the end of that, when they were worshiping Satan for
Speaker 4: the whole season, out of nowhere, they like re establish
Speaker 4: the coven and they start worshiping Hecta, and that's like
Speaker 4: the most powerful magic so the TV show as to
Speaker 4: why they're doing that, the Morgan is a Celtic figure
Speaker 4: that's from Celtic mythology, which they all feel like stems
Speaker 4: from Druidism, which I'm not gonna say it doesn't.
Speaker 3: Maybe it does. I mean it has its roots for sure.
Speaker 4: But the only difference, and I'm not gonna say difference, the
Speaker 4: only issue we have with it is that from the
Speaker 4: Celtic religion and the ways and the history and the lore.
Speaker 3: There is very few sources. They are interesting sources.
Speaker 4: I'm not like trying to discredit them by any means,
Speaker 4: but it's like it think about with the Nordic paganism, right,
Speaker 4: if we only had one saga and like that's it,
Speaker 4: and people are trying to make a whole religion off
Speaker 4: of one saga, not even a whole eta, not even
Speaker 4: this saga.
Speaker 3: This saga are like only one book. That's kind of
Speaker 3: what it's like.
Speaker 4: Whenever they try to revitalize Celtic paganism, they're going off
Speaker 4: of like only one source known to exist. So like,
Speaker 4: you know me, but it is it's interesting to see
Speaker 4: how more of that is on the rise.
Speaker 2: I do like looking into Druidry and yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: most of what you get from learning about druidry is
Speaker 2: just from the people that were killing them. This third
Speaker 2: person information, which I think even further validates even what
Speaker 2: what the little bit that they do say. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, it's like you're going to be It's
Speaker 2: a lot like your your story about Jesus. It's like
Speaker 2: you have accommodating accounts, right of like even the enemy
Speaker 2: that we're saying that, like, yeah, this guy was on
Speaker 2: some shit, right.
Speaker 4: So I'm with you, I'm with you on that. But like,
Speaker 4: for instance, here's an example with the Druids. There is
Speaker 4: a an account by a Roman historian that talks about
Speaker 4: how they built a scaffold into a tree and they
Speaker 4: cut some mistletoe with a golden stickle. Right, and it's
Speaker 4: like a very well document thing. It's a ceremony that
Speaker 4: the Druids did. Here's the problem. Nobody's taking that away
Speaker 4: from them. Everybody can agree that is an event that
Speaker 4: took place. No one knows why the fuck they did this.
Speaker 4: No one knows the significance of the gold or the sickle.
Speaker 4: Why was it missiled? So why couldn't they climb the tree?
Speaker 4: Why do it have to be a scaffold? Like the context
Speaker 4: for them as to why they were doing this practice
Speaker 4: lost to the sands of time, and it's it's stuff
Speaker 4: like that about the Druids, where like you can find
Speaker 4: accounts of an action that took place, but no idea
Speaker 4: as to what or what God or deity or the
Speaker 4: re It's there's a lot.
Speaker 3: Missing, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One thing that I thought was pretty cool was that
Speaker 2: they they they work with like the elements from what
Speaker 2: I hear, and a lot of it to tell. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and a lot of that is done in the grove, which.
Speaker 3: Is just the woods basically, But.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the grove was like a sacred place for them,
Speaker 4: which I agree.
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of dope.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tony, sorry, go ahead, man, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 2: You had mentioned about Russia not being communist anymore? What
Speaker 2: do you have to say about that, sir?
Speaker 6: Yeah, sorry, my phone froze earlier, But I was reacting
Speaker 6: to the Anatoty Galitzian episode with the Peristroika deception, and
Speaker 6: I thought the implication was that there was some long
Speaker 6: lasting communist plot, but maybe he was saying it's not communists.
Speaker 4: What do you think so with the Peristroika deception, the
Speaker 4: best that I could find is that although, yeah, communism
Speaker 4: spawned out of Russia. Yes, I'm not saying that Russia
Speaker 4: is behind trying to ultra liberify the left and all
Speaker 4: these things. I'm not saying that communism is a worldwide
Speaker 4: threat and a worldwide problem.
Speaker 3: And I think that's what it was because this Paristroyka
Speaker 3: and it's talking about the.
Speaker 4: Fall of the Soviet Union, but that's not necessarily saying
Speaker 4: that Russia is still trying to make a worldwide Soviet
Speaker 4: Union happen to day. I think it's more of the
Speaker 4: ideology that they tried to implement into multiple countries and
Speaker 4: we're still seeing the remnants of it today. And I
Speaker 4: think that it's a culture war, but I don't think
Speaker 4: that it's from one specific country to the world.
Speaker 3: I think that it's like it's.
Speaker 4: Like sleeper cells all over the world, if that makes sense.
Speaker 6: Yeah, regarding the whole timeline, since he came out with that,
Speaker 6: he defected in nineteen sixty one and he revealed to
Speaker 6: the West that there was a plot in the Politburo
Speaker 6: to undergo reform movements in Russia but still maintain the
Speaker 6: goal of communism, and I'm sure that must have been
Speaker 6: true in nineteen sixty one. In fact, Khrushchev around that
Speaker 6: time even told Eisenhower or his cabinet that, you know,
Speaker 6: you guys aren't communists now, but I promise you your
Speaker 6: grandchildren will be. And that was a big aspect of
Speaker 6: communist ideology, which is that it's deterministic and it's just
Speaker 6: bound to happen no matter what you call it. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and I would argue it. Leftism has really changed a
Speaker 6: lot since those days, and the whole battle between you know,
Speaker 6: the classes, which is central to communism, is not so
Speaker 6: emphasized anymore. So leftism is still a threat. But i'd
Speaker 6: say the lit scene he overestimated how powerful communism was
Speaker 6: going to be in the long term, and he thought that,
Speaker 6: you know, it could outlast the Soviet Union. But this
Speaker 6: Communist Party in the Soviet in Russia today is the
Speaker 6: second most popular party and it's only got thirteen percent
Speaker 6: of the of the vote and representation. Well, I totally
Speaker 6: agree with you. The far left is definitely a global threat.
Speaker 6: It's changed so much it's basically unrecognizable to what it
Speaker 6: used to be. And I would say that Russia's leadership
Speaker 6: today is not leftist. I would say Putin is basically
Speaker 6: like a Republican.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I would actually put him to the ultra
Speaker 4: conservative if we're like really going to put it on
Speaker 4: a on a spectrum by any means, Yeah, I would
Speaker 4: put Putin into the more along the lines of the
Speaker 4: ultra conservative of anything. I don't think that he's like
Speaker 4: a far left comedy by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Okay, it looks like we're on the same page.
Speaker 6: I'm glad that we got to discuss this a little
Speaker 6: bit now, I guess. And back to witches and druids
Speaker 6: and stuff.
Speaker 2: The Gid said, happy cult night, yo, Gid, what up?
Speaker 3: Royce?
Speaker 2: Anthony said, damn Sagas and EDI's I missed too much
Speaker 2: so early.
Speaker 4: Now you came in right at the time when we
Speaker 4: were talking about your flavor of things there, Anthony. Basically
Speaker 4: we were just talking about how, uh, you know, there's
Speaker 4: witches that are worshiping the morgan As like their head deity.
Speaker 4: And there is not much written record of the Celtic
Speaker 4: religion of old. There is a few stories and they're
Speaker 4: all kind of put into one book. But I think
Speaker 4: it's called the tod Dnu.
Speaker 3: I could be wrong or donon or something like that.
Speaker 4: I'm about to thank you. I'm I'm the author. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and we might even be mispronouncing that bitch. I don't know,
Speaker 4: but that's like one of the only scant sources that
Speaker 4: we have on anything Celtic related.
Speaker 3: And the Morgan is talked about there.
Speaker 4: But it's uh, yeah, that that was kind of what
Speaker 4: led to and I said, it's like it can consider
Speaker 4: people that are claiming to be Nordic pagan these days
Speaker 4: and they only got one Etta, like there's only been
Speaker 4: one Eta that was ever written about period, and like
Speaker 4: that's the entirety they have to go on to try
Speaker 4: to make an entire religion out of. It's that's kind
Speaker 4: of the same conversation for people that are trying to
Speaker 4: bring back.
Speaker 2: Celtic pagan It almost it almost is to a point
Speaker 2: to where it has to become eclectic at that point
Speaker 2: just to fill in the blanks, which I don't have
Speaker 2: any problem with personally. But Anthony, what are your thoughts
Speaker 2: on it, sir? Trying to find the on mute there
Speaker 2: we go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was, but.
Speaker 7: So yeah, it is uh because yeah, we definitely have.
Speaker 8: Druids. The I use the term Germanic because.
Speaker 7: Say Norse, you think it's only like Norwegian countries, but
Speaker 7: of Europe outside the Celtic in various names. I mean,
Speaker 7: even the Eda's like like about mythology, so even the
Speaker 7: broader that's a true Norse paganism, Like they really don't
Speaker 7: have much more than in the self proclaimed Celtic practitioners have.
Speaker 7: I've met some people that.
Speaker 8: Morgan specifically, because she's like.
Speaker 7: It's documented of of the Celts, of the Celtic gods
Speaker 7: and goddesses, other bridget but she's lesser known by a
Speaker 7: high degree.
Speaker 8: But it is it is interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean, like.
Speaker 7: I I've read some argument. I've read some I gotta
Speaker 7: call them arguments because the evidence is loose. Yeah, about
Speaker 7: interesting facts about one like that that the Druids were
Speaker 7: their own, separate people before they mixed with the Celts
Speaker 7: and became the priests class, which if that is true,
Speaker 7: would add a even second layer on top of that.
Speaker 7: And then I've I know when I was involved with
Speaker 7: a couple uh also true organizations, there was a couple
Speaker 7: self proclaimed researchers, and I have to say self proclaimed
Speaker 7: for various reasons. I heard that that we're trying, essentially
Speaker 7: trying to posit the argument that the Celts were just
Speaker 7: another Germanic tribe and trying to wrap Celtic paganism in
Speaker 7: broader Germanic paganism, which while yes, there there is genealogical
Speaker 7: evidence to suggest at least some tribes of the Celts
Speaker 7: migrated into the area from central central Germany, that's not
Speaker 7: all of them. And even from a pagan's standpoint, like,
Speaker 7: while there are similarities, the similar to uh Germanic paganism
Speaker 7: and Celtic paganism are about the same as Germanic paganism
Speaker 7: to the Vedic traditions and their significantly stronger evidence for.
Speaker 3: People from the.
Speaker 7: Vedic region Vedic region going into Teutonic lands in that
Speaker 7: blending together to create what we would now call Norse
Speaker 7: paganism Germanic paganism, then for that Germanic then for Norse
Speaker 7: paganism to have been as much of an influence on
Speaker 7: the Celts, and tell the Saxons, the Angles, the Saxons
Speaker 7: and the Jukes came over and then we have and
Speaker 7: the Anglo Saxon mixture. So it's I'm with you, it's
Speaker 7: interesting but yeah, I mean really those two tradition specifically, Yeah,
Speaker 7: it's it.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say it's a night and day difference,
Speaker 4: but there are some very clear, discernible differences between the two.
Speaker 4: I can I can see why somebody would postulate that
Speaker 4: the Celts and the Nordic pagans, or let's just call
Speaker 4: them Germanics, right for lack of better terms, the Galls
Speaker 4: and the Vandals and all these cool coold the Visigoths.
Speaker 4: I could understand why you would look at these things
Speaker 4: on a piece of paper and try to find the
Speaker 4: similarities in them. And there are some, but I think
Speaker 4: you actually do a very good job of trying to
Speaker 4: explain how that would be like trying to compare Nordic
Speaker 4: paganism to the Vedics. It's it's There may be a
Speaker 4: few similarities, but there is way more differences in the
Speaker 4: Celtic folklore and traditions than there is of anything of
Speaker 4: Northern European descent. And I mean, even if you're looking
Speaker 4: at just the one source that we have for stories,
Speaker 4: your main boy, one of my favorite actually, it's one
Speaker 4: of the first stories in the book. Homeboy is on
Speaker 4: a ship with forty women and they keep trying to
Speaker 4: grab at his dick, and he says, no, I don't
Speaker 4: want to have sex with all of you. I'm a
Speaker 4: virtuous guy and y'all are annoying the shit out of me.
Speaker 4: And these women will not leave him alone. So you
Speaker 4: know what he does. He turns himself into a salmon,
Speaker 4: jumps in the water, and stays.
Speaker 3: Hidden for one hundred years. I'm paraphrasing, but that's.
Speaker 2: It sounds like the spirit animal in a past life.
Speaker 4: But there is no sense of anything like that in
Speaker 4: the Nordics. You see what I'm saying. It's like there's
Speaker 4: I see, you know, shape shifting and these types of things.
Speaker 4: Maybe the reference to a boat or being hidden for years,
Speaker 4: like okay, if we're looking at it with the broadest
Speaker 4: brushstrokes possible, then maybe. But yeah, to say that Celts
Speaker 4: took their notes from the Germanics or vice versa, I
Speaker 4: feel like that cuts the legs out from under about
Speaker 4: a thousand years worth of culture for each of these groups.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 7: Oh for saying it's it's my same argument argument against pantheism.
Speaker 7: For those that don't know that term, It's essentially pantheism
Speaker 7: is the argument that all the gods and goddesses are
Speaker 7: the same, just under different meanings.
Speaker 8: You also see this very much in.
Speaker 7: The well they don't call them God's the the whole
Speaker 7: Aunaki mythos, like everything comes back to nk.
Speaker 3: And en Lil.
Speaker 4: I at least can understand why around the Mesopotamo or
Speaker 4: the Mediterranean, I should say, where these cultures were neighboring
Speaker 4: each other for four thousand years, why certain things would
Speaker 4: kind of flow in a similar path, and why this
Speaker 4: god might have a lot of the same attributes as
Speaker 4: this other god, just called by a different name.
Speaker 3: But like a lot of the story arc sticks together.
Speaker 4: I could at least understand the line of thinking on
Speaker 4: that one. But yeah, Celts and Nords, there's some very
Speaker 4: very clear differences between the two.
Speaker 2: Interesting how you see that there may be multiple definitions
Speaker 2: of the same word, because I, you know, Anthony just
Speaker 2: brought up that, you know, pantheism would be representative of
Speaker 2: all the gods kind of working together. And you know,
Speaker 2: whenever I've looked into it, it's not necessarily that. It's
Speaker 2: more so that you look around and there's nothing that
Speaker 2: isn't God. So almost looking at every single bit of
Speaker 2: reality would essentially be all one giant being.
Speaker 4: I've never heard that be used for description of pantheistic before.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, that's that's the understanding that I have of
Speaker 9: pantheon as well.
Speaker 4: Right, Pantheistic means like a pantheon of gods. I have
Speaker 4: never heard of being described in this way.
Speaker 3: But it's like.
Speaker 5: Panning a poly like polytheistic, right, well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, polytheistic, But there's also a pantheon.
Speaker 9: Of gods pantheism though, even though they share a similar
Speaker 9: sounding like prefix. Pantheism is the from what I what
Speaker 9: I learned, is the the understanding that anything, everything is
Speaker 9: made up of God essentially.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got it right here. Pantheism Oh sorry, go ahead, Nick, Yeah,
Speaker 3: go ahead.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: Pantheism is the belief that the universe and everything in
Speaker 2: it is identical to God, viewing the universe as a
Speaker 2: manifestation of a divine reality. It emphasizes the interconnectedness of
Speaker 2: all things and often rejects the idea of a personal
Speaker 2: anthropomorphic deity.
Speaker 9: Interesting, yeah, okay, which means that everything you look at,
Speaker 9: everything you interact with, everything that interacts with you is
Speaker 9: and should be treated as divine.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, okay, So interesting, gray Low actually puts something
Speaker 2: up says, if you're referring to pantheism, that's the belief
Speaker 2: that the divine is identical with the universe, which is
Speaker 2: what I just read. If you meant pantheist or pantheistic,
Speaker 2: it's someone who holds that belief. Okay, so yeah, about
Speaker 2: the same which is actually the belief that I hold.
Speaker 2: And And actually the the argument that I make is
Speaker 2: that if you if you look around it anything and
Speaker 2: you say that that's not God, that means, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: would be that you're putting limitations on what God could
Speaker 2: be or what is what he is, right, So that's
Speaker 2: kind of how I.
Speaker 3: Look at it.
Speaker 9: And interesting, there's an argument to be said that if
Speaker 9: you don't count yourself as a part of that, you're
Speaker 9: separating yourself from God in your own image. So there's
Speaker 9: like a little bit of a counterintuitive like you know,
Speaker 9: the whole like New Age things, you know, people thinking
Speaker 9: that that their own gods. But the reality is like,
Speaker 9: if you think that you're separate from the one, then
Speaker 9: you are kind of like making something and you're making it.
Speaker 9: You can't be separate from the thing that is everywhere,
Speaker 9: and that's always Is.
Speaker 4: There any extenuating circumstances put on this belief like you
Speaker 4: just throwing it out, Maybe somebody who is purely acting
Speaker 4: on evil of the darkest and malicious, most malicious of intents.
Speaker 3: Will we say that.
Speaker 4: They are therefore not all God or all good? Or
Speaker 4: you're saying that God is not all good?
Speaker 3: Uh well, God himself says that he's not all good.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it does fall in those same kind of categories,
Speaker 9: but it it goes along the lines of like you
Speaker 9: are embodying the divine less the more negative that you
Speaker 9: begin to act essentially like you cannot have those things
Speaker 9: cannot be present in your life if you are closer
Speaker 9: on the scale of like being and resonating with that essence.
Speaker 2: Right, And this is something that I always like to
Speaker 2: bring up, is you know, because this is people will
Speaker 2: try and figure out like, all right, well, that can't
Speaker 2: be God. But then they try and come up with
Speaker 2: a definition of what is God. And you're most likely
Speaker 2: to say that God would be all good. But then
Speaker 2: you look at Isaiah chapter forty five, verse seven that
Speaker 2: says I form the light and create darkness, I make
Speaker 2: peace and create evil.
Speaker 3: I the Lord do all.
Speaker 2: These things, so not all good according.
Speaker 4: To that creates all evil. He didn't say he is
Speaker 4: part evil. There's a difference. There's a distinction. But again,
Speaker 4: as you were talking about God, I was hoping you
Speaker 4: weren't talking about the biblical God, because you are of
Speaker 4: the belief that God is something that is not necessarily
Speaker 4: found in the Bible.
Speaker 3: I was hoping you were referencing like a different source.
Speaker 2: But no, No, it's just showing that there is a
Speaker 2: little bit of polarity even within that God. But I mean, personally,
Speaker 2: I'm of the belief that the God of the Bible
Speaker 2: is the demiurge. That's just my own personal belief though.
Speaker 4: Oh Jesus Christ, Okay, I'm just saying, if you look
Speaker 4: at the Nagamadi, it'll start to click a little bit.
Speaker 2: We're not gonna turn this into a whole Christian episode.
Speaker 2: We always do the lives in a Christian sense, and
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that.
Speaker 4: I didn't bring up the Bible today, gonna point that out.
Speaker 4: I know everybody has all that. Jacob's on his rant again.
Speaker 4: Notice I'm usually not the one that brings the ship up.
Speaker 2: But okay, you've been pretty hard about bringing up the
Speaker 2: last couple of times, but this time you didn't. I
Speaker 2: have not getting Oh spirit animal has something to say
Speaker 2: about that. Go ahead, spirit Animal.
Speaker 10: I apologize a lot of times.
Speaker 11: It's probably my fault too, because I like the enough
Speaker 11: and all, so I apologize.
Speaker 3: Oh that's okay. Sam has got my message.
Speaker 10: What what about your message?
Speaker 5: You got my chat message the nepheline giants.
Speaker 10: Oh no, I didn't see that.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, we'll get to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sam has not smoked yet because his eyes you
Speaker 2: can still see his.
Speaker 3: Pupils so well up yet, man, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Those eyes are really open right now, sir.
Speaker 10: Don't get used to it.
Speaker 4: Okay, We're almost thirty minutes in and I haven't seen
Speaker 4: the lighter spark one time.
Speaker 3: You're taking it easy tonight, brother.
Speaker 10: No, I'm eeting my I'm eating supper.
Speaker 3: Oh oh so white white cas.
Speaker 10: Medium case and scoops cooking a night.
Speaker 5: That is gourmet stuff right there, my friend.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, you need a Miller high life with that.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: I'll be out back, get you a champagne of beers. Man,
Speaker 4: be a classic, git with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see yo. Gid sent a picture.
Speaker 2: It's a meme that says, when you've made so many
Speaker 2: bad decisions, he comes to you to talk, Uh, comes
Speaker 2: to talk to you in person. Where it looks like
Speaker 2: it's that may be Vegas, where it's Jesus talking.
Speaker 3: To uh, a woman wearing pasties. It could be so
Speaker 3: many large cities.
Speaker 4: It very well could be Vegas. That might be New
Speaker 4: York City. I don't be knowing, but yeah, it's pretty funny.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jonathan and Jacob, did you guys watch Father Stu
Speaker 5: about the priest now yet?
Speaker 3: Is it good?
Speaker 5: It's really well, it's it's Catholic ish or whatever. It's religious,
Speaker 5: but sure, you know who cares, but really good, well acted.
Speaker 5: Mel Gibson's in it. And but there there is a
Speaker 5: scene where, you know, Father, you know Stu, he's like
Speaker 5: thinking about he's just getting drunk at a bar and
Speaker 5: this guy approaches approaches him, you know, beard scarface, you know,
Speaker 5: And it's very open ended if that was Jesus or not,
Speaker 5: because after that he got this, you know, he was drunk,
Speaker 5: got a horrific bike accident and then you know, Mother
Speaker 5: Mary came to him. But I don't know, you guys
Speaker 5: would have to check it out because it's kind of ambiguous,
Speaker 5: but it's it's a very interesting scene and it's well acted.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, I haven't seen Fatherstu yet. I think I've
Speaker 4: heard of it, but hell yeah, man, I'm down to
Speaker 4: check it out.
Speaker 5: It's fent out for a while, but yeah, Mark Wahlberg,
Speaker 5: you guys would like it, that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that looked really good. Go ahead, Sam, I
Speaker 3: see your hand raised brother.
Speaker 10: Okay, uh, forgive me, I'm a dumb ass. But what
Speaker 10: what is a demio? And also, fuck your your your highlights?
Speaker 4: This micro if you want a diet Yeah, come on, man,
Speaker 4: hear the female beer. But now all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: it's just for guys that are watching their waistline or something.
Speaker 5: It's it's basically water with alcohol in it.
Speaker 11: Yeah, this bullship and then a fucking white cow.
Speaker 5: That ship.
Speaker 3: It's just fruit flavored static as all that is. But
Speaker 3: you better watch your mouth.
Speaker 4: The demi urge Samuel, if you want to look into
Speaker 4: anything that the Gnostics teach. Essentially, the Gnostics were teaching
Speaker 4: that the story of the Bible is close to accurate
Speaker 4: but missed a couple of steps, and they believe that
Speaker 4: the God of the Bible aka Yahweh, is actually not
Speaker 4: the god like the Creator. They believe that the creator
Speaker 4: God is above him, but that the god that they
Speaker 4: call Yahweh is actually something called the Demiurge, which is
Speaker 4: more akin to what we might refer to as Satan.
Speaker 4: And I don't mean like the fall from grace and
Speaker 4: all these things, like the colloquial devil and all that.
Speaker 4: He's the adversary. He's the one that's coming here to
Speaker 4: hit the blender and churn ship up just for.
Speaker 3: The fuck of it.
Speaker 4: And the Gnostics taught that for a couple of centuries
Speaker 4: until they were hunted down and slaughtered on mass and.
Speaker 3: Still exists to this day. Baby, do what?
Speaker 2: So the Nogamadi still exists to this day, so you
Speaker 2: can go and get it.
Speaker 3: I have the book.
Speaker 2: Actually, it's a very interesting read even if you just
Speaker 2: look at it, like, you know, don't even give your opinion,
Speaker 2: and just read it for the story that it is,
Speaker 2: so that you can understand at least what the Gnostic
Speaker 2: you know, frame of references. It's a very fascinating read,
Speaker 2: even if you just look at it for it's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, a fictionalized version of It's almost like
Speaker 2: like how they got.
Speaker 3: The what's that?
Speaker 2: Okay, if you look at like the Wicked movies that
Speaker 2: are coming out that are trying to paint the Wicked
Speaker 2: Witch of the East as like a good person, it's
Speaker 2: almost like that same view of just shifting perspectives.
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I find it be very interesting.
Speaker 2: But essentially, the Demiurge is like the false God, the
Speaker 2: one that is judging and condemning and doing all these things,
Speaker 2: and you know, ultimately the one that's set up Adam
Speaker 2: and Eve and the and the garden and tempted them
Speaker 2: with the rude from the tree of knowledge of good
Speaker 2: and evil or whatever, and the snake was there, and
Speaker 2: some people within the Gnostic text they'll say that the
Speaker 2: snake was actually maybe one of the earliest reincarnation or
Speaker 2: one of the earliest incarnations of Jesus. Hypothetically, I like
Speaker 2: that you gave it in the terms that you did.
Speaker 4: It's very similar to the Wicked movie. In the Broadway play,
Speaker 4: it's by somebody who never actually read the book but
Speaker 4: made a spin off off of the movie that actually
Speaker 4: didn't follow the book too closely either. Gnostic texts are
Speaker 4: very similar to that. It's by people that kind of
Speaker 4: knew the story of the Bible, but then put their
Speaker 4: own flavor and spin on it, and it's kind of
Speaker 4: seen as in today's terms, with no hatred being thrown.
Speaker 4: It's kind of similar to like possibly a fanfic. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that in a colloquial negative way. I
Speaker 4: would rather read Dante Aligary's Divine Comedy if I'm trying
Speaker 4: to read Biblical fanfic than the Gnostics.
Speaker 3: But I see what you're saying. If you're reading it
Speaker 3: just for the story, it could be entertaining.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, you know, you could look at it from
Speaker 2: that perspective if you're a Christian. I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: that's what I believe that it is. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: you could look at it from that angle. I personally
Speaker 2: believe that the Gnostic story is closer to true than
Speaker 2: the real quote unquote story.
Speaker 3: So that's just my only get it.
Speaker 4: I would love to have a conversation with you one
Speaker 4: day about why do you believe that other than your
Speaker 4: own feelings, like what sources which backing in these things.
Speaker 4: We don't have to do that tonight, but we can
Speaker 4: have that conversation one day.
Speaker 2: There was a We had a gentleman on the show
Speaker 2: last night and he had he had a T shirt.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember what it said. You know what,
Speaker 2: I don't even want to try and guess what it was.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna look for it real quick because I don't
Speaker 2: want to butcher it. But almost like instead of looking
Speaker 2: for knowledge in a book, you kind of look inside
Speaker 2: something like that. And I think that that's really the
Speaker 2: idea of true gnosticism in the first place.
Speaker 3: It's gnosis. So that's crazy to me.
Speaker 2: I mean, if the Kingdom of Heaven is with then
Speaker 2: I'm not going there. You guys are fucking trying to
Speaker 2: pull me in. I'm not trying to go there right now.
Speaker 3: Not now.
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to. Like I said, we can have
Speaker 4: this conversation another day, doesn't have to be tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, mam A Slaney said, I was just listening
Speaker 2: to that episode I switched over to the live that
Speaker 2: was about the Peristroika.
Speaker 3: I believe, oh, word word, that was a fun episode. Actually,
Speaker 3: that was a very fun one. Spirit.
Speaker 4: You know, a couple of good ones here lately. Man,
Speaker 4: It's just these things have been falling into our lap.
Speaker 4: I don't know if y'all have been paying attention to
Speaker 4: the alien vibe that we have been on this week,
Speaker 4: but man, buckle up because who the one we did
Speaker 4: today was a bit of a doucey.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah it was, dude, I tell you what.
Speaker 2: That that Griata Treaty episode that just came out, Holy shit,
Speaker 2: that was one of my favorite episodes ever.
Speaker 3: Like that was just so much fun. Nick, did you did.
Speaker 2: You check out the Griada Treaty or the Valiant Thorer episode?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I finished both of them.
Speaker 9: No, I've been I've been loving you, especially go back
Speaker 9: and forth on your where you're at with it all? Yeah,
Speaker 9: to come finally full you back around and like some
Speaker 9: of the stuff that say it from the beginning, As of.
Speaker 4: This moment, do you still believe space is real? Jonathan,
Speaker 4: I'm a worker inclined to believe that. I'm a work
Speaker 4: in progress. I'm not a finished product. Okay, what's wearing?
Speaker 4: Ask as of this moment, as of time recording, because
Speaker 4: very much subject to change, very much, so as of
Speaker 4: this moment, are you still kind of inclined to believe
Speaker 4: that space is real? Are you kind of swinging back
Speaker 4: to the other side of the fence where yet I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 3: Don't damn me right now?
Speaker 5: What did it for me?
Speaker 9: Because I was I followed a similar path as Jonathan,
Speaker 9: especially with the fighter stuff. For a little bit, it
Speaker 9: was like it got me into like questioning, like really
Speaker 9: big shit, and I was like, okay, they're all into
Speaker 9: some shit. NASA's fucking lion for sure. And then I'm like, okay,
Speaker 9: well maybe not about everything. And then whenever I had
Speaker 9: my whole the Idian stuff happened, I'm like, where are
Speaker 9: you guys from And they're like right there and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 9: well that's fucking somewhere. Then I know this is real.
Speaker 9: All right, Well that's all I need to know.
Speaker 4: Gotta tell you the one we did today, it will
Speaker 4: be dropping Wednesday or Thursday.
Speaker 3: Friday.
Speaker 4: Actually it's gonna be dropping Friday. So for any of
Speaker 4: the Patreon members, y'all are gonna get it as soon
Speaker 4: as it's edited up. It will be a few days
Speaker 4: before the main population. But for anybody listening on Spotify,
Speaker 4: oh my god, we did a very very comprehensive deep
Speaker 4: dive on the Majestic twelve. I am not gonna give
Speaker 4: away anything as of this moment. But I am going
Speaker 4: to say to brace for impact. It's not good and
Speaker 4: it does not actually take an uptick the entire time.
Speaker 4: It is mind blowing to see how far the government's
Speaker 4: willing to go to fuck someone over.
Speaker 2: Oh, and it's like the whole MJ twelve thing is
Speaker 2: not what you think. Like that's the craziest part is that,
Speaker 2: you know, you want to believe that there's a secret
Speaker 2: sector of the government that is, you know, retrieving crashed
Speaker 2: alien UFOs and picking up alien bodies and receiving transmissions
Speaker 2: and and all these crazy things, right, but then you
Speaker 2: find out that like even dude, even that is swimming
Speaker 2: in a pool of shit. Yeah, Like it is the
Speaker 2: craziest thing. It's so convoluted. And I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: That episode we did today about MJ twelve, that almost
Speaker 2: that brought me back to I don't know, because anytime
Speaker 2: you look at anything regarding aliens, it is so shrouded
Speaker 2: in bullshit, in secrecy. And you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: It's like, you got what's his name that was talking
Speaker 2: about valiant thor he's trying to bring the Bible into it,
Speaker 2: and the still no fucking.
Speaker 4: Clue how he segued from valiant Thor to the fucking
Speaker 4: dead Sea scrolls like it wasn't even like a smooth
Speaker 4: transition of this clearly connects to this. He just fucking
Speaker 4: pout and then did three altar calls in the middle
Speaker 4: of talking about a Nordic alien.
Speaker 3: I'm like, BROD, did I miss something? Am I high
Speaker 3: right now? Bro?
Speaker 2: Honestly, as you go to almost any UFO convention, I've
Speaker 2: never been to one. I would love too. I would
Speaker 2: love for both of us to go and check out
Speaker 2: a UFO convention. But I walk a lot of them,
Speaker 2: like online and stuff like that. Usually they have them
Speaker 2: like over in Vegas or you know, around that way,
Speaker 2: And dude, there's a lot of nuts over there. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, There's a lot of nutty people.
Speaker 2: And it's not to say that they're all full of
Speaker 2: shit either, Like people really don't have off of Yeah,
Speaker 2: people really do have like alien experiences and they don't
Speaker 2: know what to make of it. It's just trying to
Speaker 2: make understanding of it. And who are we to judge
Speaker 2: about what's right and what's wrong because we can't get
Speaker 2: a single shred of fucking truth from the government I mean,
Speaker 2: that's the last place you want to look at for
Speaker 2: the for the truth.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's And that's the deal.
Speaker 4: We're not calling anybody crazy or a crazy for believing
Speaker 4: anything they want to believe as far as extraterrestrials are concerned.
Speaker 3: Okay, not at all.
Speaker 4: What I am going to say is that without giving
Speaker 4: anything away, because I really am excited for that episode
Speaker 4: to drop and I would love to get everybody's feedback
Speaker 4: on it when it does. The reason why everything is
Speaker 4: so convoluted and wrapped up in lies and bullshit and
Speaker 4: con cospiracy and everything else with aliens is because it
Speaker 4: was all designed to be wrapped up in controversy and lies,
Speaker 4: in conspiracy. It has nothing to do with the actual
Speaker 4: alien experience. It has everything to do with the way
Speaker 4: the story was spun before you ever first heard about it.
Speaker 3: It's it's mind blowing. Everybody go check it out.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing, that quote that you brought
Speaker 2: up towards the end of the show from old CIA
Speaker 2: director William Casey, where it's like, what was it?
Speaker 3: What was the quote? Again? When they believe nothing will know,
Speaker 3: We've done our job.
Speaker 2: And that's the entire point is that they want your
Speaker 2: brain so scrambled so that way they can come in
Speaker 2: and bring you the quote unquote truth.
Speaker 4: It's it's mind blowing. Can't wait for that episode to drop.
Speaker 4: We'd love to read the comments after the fact.
Speaker 3: But anyway, so.
Speaker 2: Nick, you had mentioned that you before that episode, because
Speaker 2: we said that we were going to do the Valiant
Speaker 2: Thor episode from the greata Treaty and you send a
Speaker 2: little excerpt on Valiant Thor. What are your thoughts on
Speaker 2: Valiant Thor in the first place, because it I understand
Speaker 2: and how it could be seen as absolute malarchy, right,
Speaker 2: but then I also want to believe that, like maybe
Speaker 2: he was just looking at it through that lens, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, if we're trying to really
Speaker 2: get to the truth, you got to look at it
Speaker 2: from different angles.
Speaker 5: No, for sure.
Speaker 9: And like I wanted to bring up the day the
Speaker 9: Earth stood still that Jacob was talking about.
Speaker 5: Have you seen the movies?
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, the black and white one and the one
Speaker 3: with Keanu. Yeah, I've never seen the old one. I
Speaker 3: saw the new one though, Yeah, same same.
Speaker 4: But it's basically the same story. The newer one has
Speaker 4: way better graphics.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So from what I understand and why I again
Speaker 9: why I like the pleating information and I like to
Speaker 9: weigh stuff that I see against their information and stories,
Speaker 9: because like there's been plenty of stuff where like they've
Speaker 9: said that's bullshit that never happened as well and that
Speaker 9: or like kind of in the public you know, domain,
Speaker 9: So like for me, I give a little bit of
Speaker 9: more credence to that. But from what I understand, the
Speaker 9: Valiant thwor Thing was the first kind of iteration of
Speaker 9: that day of the Earth stood still type event, right,
Speaker 9: and then later on Q. I don't know if y'all
Speaker 9: remember us doing that, that one with uh, what's your name?
Speaker 5: Who does all the Q stuff? Brook?
Speaker 9: Yeah, remember whenever we did the whole Q Pleadian connection
Speaker 9: with Brook. So the most recent iteration of another being
Speaker 9: this one Q was like a Pleadian being working with
Speaker 9: the NSA and that whole operation and why there's like
Speaker 9: all kinds of crazy connections and everything like that. The
Speaker 9: impossible multi dimensionality of it was kind of in the
Speaker 9: same realm as the valiant thwor thing and day the
Speaker 9: Earth should still thing and like trying to kind of
Speaker 9: coordinate and help these better things happen for an ultimate
Speaker 9: like better plan in the future.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing is, like I don't want
Speaker 2: to just look at one whole story and call it bullshit,
Speaker 2: because I believe that there's probably little remnants of truth
Speaker 2: within all stories. It's just what perspective do you look
Speaker 2: at it from? If you only have one lens through
Speaker 2: which you look at life and you're trying to apply
Speaker 2: it to that, it's like, you know, you can understand
Speaker 2: why that guy you know, was saying that, like, well,
Speaker 2: you know this is he's essentially he kind of almost
Speaker 2: referenced him to like a Jesus being, like he was
Speaker 2: saying that without saying that, Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's perspective. Perspective is everything.
Speaker 4: Because in the movie Doday the Earth stood Still, the
Speaker 4: Aliens thought that they were doing a very good thing
Speaker 4: to try to save this planet because there it's very
Speaker 4: difficult for a planet to be able to sustain life,
Speaker 4: and clearly we got to get rid of these parasites
Speaker 4: to keep tearing this shit up. So although the humans
Speaker 4: saw them as an invasion force who were trying to
Speaker 4: wipe them all out, the Aliens saw it as they
Speaker 4: were doing something relatively negative for the greater good.
Speaker 9: It's about that perspective, right, And Q actually quoted and
Speaker 9: put a link to the video of the day that
Speaker 9: or there's a Q drop that has a day of
Speaker 9: the Earth stood still seen in it and it's where
Speaker 9: they're talking about like why He's like, why should I,
Speaker 9: you know, not destroy you or whatever? And he's like, well,
Speaker 9: did your species have a moment where like you were
Speaker 9: about to and they were like, yeah, just on on
Speaker 9: the at the precipice, we found the will to change
Speaker 9: and we did it destroy ourselves. And then the human
Speaker 9: guy he's like, well, that's where we're at. We have
Speaker 9: to we have to get to the precipice before we
Speaker 9: all kind of like can be better.
Speaker 3: It's a good point. That was the that was the
Speaker 3: saving grace.
Speaker 4: He was like, so would you not allow us the
Speaker 4: same opportunity to rise to the occasion when we realized
Speaker 4: that that's what time it is, and you saw the
Speaker 4: alien's face, he's just like.
Speaker 5: Like you know what, Yeah, he didn't like it.
Speaker 2: He was pissed about it, but he's like, damn it, homeboy,
Speaker 2: just lorded me good.
Speaker 12: That's true.
Speaker 9: You know, sometimes you never really learnt to be your
Speaker 9: ship rock yeah, h so good.
Speaker 5: Not if well, it's like not a good ending, Like
Speaker 5: I am legend. If you guys have ever read the book,
Speaker 5: and yeah, the movie not the Charleston has the movie
Speaker 5: Richard matheson, I am legend.
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, let's say the movie is so much
Speaker 4: different than the book. The movie made him seem like
Speaker 4: zombie figures that couldn't experience sunlight. Meanwhile, the book makes
Speaker 4: them like some kind of extra vampire being, and it's
Speaker 4: it's it's so different. They did so much, but then
Speaker 4: they also took a massive book and tried to condense it.
Speaker 3: Down to a two hour movie. So there's like a lot.
Speaker 5: Of was it I don't I don't think it was
Speaker 5: that big, maybe three hundred pages. It wasn't huge, but
Speaker 5: I mean, you know it was crazy because you know,
Speaker 5: you're thinking, this is the protagonist, and then at the
Speaker 5: very end, it's like, this is the person. He's the enemy,
Speaker 5: he's the one killing us, We're the next evolution.
Speaker 4: But it's not that the book was so dense, like
Speaker 4: a thousand pages, but the time it was over years
Speaker 4: and years and years and years, and they try to
Speaker 4: condense this down to like essentially a couple of weeks
Speaker 4: and it's like there's a lot of meat you're leaving
Speaker 4: on the grill on this one big dog.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, definitely. I mean it's like Game of Thrones, HBO.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, you know, tuck on a thousand page book.
Speaker 5: What six hours not gonna work right exactly?
Speaker 3: Anyway, a spirit animal? What are your thoughts there?
Speaker 11: Uh, that the movie is pretty good because if you
Speaker 11: notice that he figures out because he sees the mannequan
Speaker 11: gets moved, at least in the movie, that they are intelligent,
Speaker 11: that they're watching him. He that's why he started shooting
Speaker 11: in the buildings because he knows he's being watched, but
Speaker 11: he doesn't.
Speaker 3: Know from where.
Speaker 11: And the vampires zombie looking motherfuckers. Uh, they look they're
Speaker 11: more like politicians in my eyes, but blood such and parasites.
Speaker 10: But they they they.
Speaker 11: View him as the as the evil one because there
Speaker 11: because to them, they they they don't see themselves as infected.
Speaker 11: To them, they see each other pretty normal. But he's
Speaker 11: immune to the thing. And it started out as a
Speaker 11: cure for cancer, but it ended up being mutated and
Speaker 11: it fucked everybody else. It's kind of and the whole
Speaker 11: world got shut down a lot of when COVID started,
Speaker 11: I could say, huh, so we're gonna be living in
Speaker 11: I am legend, get it.
Speaker 3: It's very possible.
Speaker 4: I hope that that doesn't happen, just for like, because
Speaker 4: I would like to see my children and grandchildren grow
Speaker 4: up in a peaceful existence.
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, no, you ain't got to get ready
Speaker 2: to stay ready. I mean, you take experimental government drugs.
Speaker 3: You know of the American public did so?
Speaker 4: I mean, shit, we'll see the next time some crazy
Speaker 4: virus comes around.
Speaker 3: How many people get the JAB? Yeah I did?
Speaker 5: Did you guys? I don't know. With Spotify and podcasts
Speaker 5: like if you guys collaborate or whatever, like I listened
Speaker 5: to the Daily Conspiracy podcast it's one of mine, and
Speaker 5: they were talking about and I really have not seen
Speaker 5: it in the news, but something about Russia developing a
Speaker 5: cancer vaccine based off of the COVID m RNA where
Speaker 5: they will take the cancer cells out, reprogram them, put
Speaker 5: them back in. But it's very expensive. But I mean
Speaker 5: I was telling people about it, but it's like third
Speaker 5: page news or you just have to like really look
Speaker 5: it up. I don't know, I mean, speaking of I
Speaker 5: am legend, because yeah, that's what the movie cancer vaccine, right.
Speaker 2: And I think the problem with that is that most
Speaker 2: people just don't trust Russia because of all the propaganda
Speaker 2: and all of their propaganda that they're getting upon its
Speaker 2: own citizens. You know, was Russia involved in interacting with
Speaker 2: our elections, whether it be to help Trump or to
Speaker 2: herd Trump? And it's like, that's why I would believe
Speaker 2: that it would be like third page news, as you said,
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, what do you believe about it?
Speaker 2: Because there is a lot of bullshit that comes that's
Speaker 2: always a attached to Russia, not necessarily even from Russia
Speaker 2: all the time, but that's just like anytime there's propaganda,
Speaker 2: look for Russia and you'll know it, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 4: Especially these days because the way the media is spinning
Speaker 4: anything that comes out of Russia is clearly evil, right,
Speaker 4: And that's just the zeitgeist of it right now. But
Speaker 4: to your point, Grayson, there are multiple labs across the
Speaker 4: world that are doing a lot of work towards cancer.
Speaker 4: I remember, uh, what was it, the killer wasps, You'll
Speaker 4: remember hearing about that or the killer hornets whatever that was.
Speaker 4: And then they discovered murder hornets. Yeah, murder hornets, that's
Speaker 4: the one. And then they discovered that their venom, if
Speaker 4: you injected directly into a cancer cell, would kill the tumor. Right,
Speaker 4: But somehow that's the only thing we heard about it.
Speaker 4: Uh there's all kinds of experiments and real groundbreaking research
Speaker 4: being done in this realm, but we're only hearing snippets
Speaker 4: of information and then that's like the only thing you'll
Speaker 4: ever hear about it, even though there has been multiple
Speaker 4: studies with multiple levels of success and all the berries
Speaker 4: depending on patient to pati in case by case and
Speaker 4: type of cancer one hundred percent, But it's just stuff
Speaker 4: that we will never hear about. And there's a lot
Speaker 4: of conspiratorial reasons as to the while on that.
Speaker 5: Well, you're gonna make more money off the research and
Speaker 5: the you know, the tema emo whatever than the cure.
Speaker 5: You know, remember when you know two thousand and one,
Speaker 5: two thousand and two, the whole anthrax thing and the
Speaker 5: drug that prevented it and Canada like basically pirated it
Speaker 5: from Uh, I don't know. It was a big controversy.
Speaker 5: It would prevent anthracks and they're like, no, you're not
Speaker 5: gonna have a patent on this. We're gonna violate it.
Speaker 3: Right exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so oh interesting, Tony wrote, I think the Christian
Speaker 2: belief that God is everywhere is a little bit similar
Speaker 2: to pantheism. Panpsychism is a similar concept, also compatible with Christianity,
Speaker 2: in my opinion. And I've looked up panpsychism before, but
Speaker 2: I never did a whole episode or anything on it.
Speaker 2: I'll just read right here what panpsychicismism is. And I'm
Speaker 2: actually inclined to believe that this is probably pretty true too.
Speaker 2: And and I don't even think that they would be
Speaker 2: you know, intersecting necessarily, But panpsychism is uh. In philosophy
Speaker 2: of mind, panpsychism is the view that the mind or
Speaker 2: consciousness is a fundamental and ubiquitous feature of reality. It
Speaker 2: is also described as a theory that the mind is
Speaker 2: a fundamental feature of the world which exists throughout the universe.
Speaker 2: It is one of the oldest philosophical theories and has
Speaker 2: been ascribed in some form to philosophers including Thales, Plato, Spinoza,
Speaker 2: and many others. But man, and that's something that like, uh,
Speaker 2: what is it like within the the hermetic principles that
Speaker 2: all is mind? It's you know, I'm how can you
Speaker 2: how can you just prove that you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: And like they got like certain scientists that are looking
Speaker 2: into matter and trying to figure out what's going on
Speaker 2: with matter and everything, and does does matter create consciousness
Speaker 2: or is it the other way around? And there's been
Speaker 2: proof to say that consciousness comes before matter in the
Speaker 2: first place, which would prove I mean, and it's I
Speaker 2: don't know if you could disagree with it, because everybody here,
Speaker 2: well most people here would would suggest that your soul's
Speaker 2: living a human experience. So that would suggest that the
Speaker 2: soul came before the body, right, So panpsychism could be
Speaker 2: pretty damn close to the truth.
Speaker 3: You ever seen fantastic be somewhere to find them? No,
Speaker 3: I haven't.
Speaker 5: Really Well, you know what, as much as huh I
Speaker 5: said careless, fair enough, fair.
Speaker 4: Enough, But as much as you give me shit about
Speaker 4: not watching more of them movies, the fact that you're
Speaker 4: not up to speed on the Potter verse is equally
Speaker 4: egregious in my opinion.
Speaker 2: But we haven't seen all of them. Actually, I haven't
Speaker 2: seen the last two Harry Potters. What the Deathly Hallows
Speaker 2: one and two? Like the literal best parts. I mean,
Speaker 2: and they look fun. It's just I didn't grow up
Speaker 2: on that, you know.
Speaker 3: They did.
Speaker 4: I I grew up in a Bible belt household where
Speaker 4: my mom would have been one of the ones bitching
Speaker 4: at the middle school for forcing us to read it.
Speaker 5: I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not very impressed with Harry Potter because I believe
Speaker 2: that that is not that's like, that's not real magic
Speaker 2: at all. That's like not even close to what real
Speaker 2: magic is.
Speaker 4: According to the writer, it is at least based off
Speaker 4: of it. But that's that's how I'm going.
Speaker 2: Nobody's shooting fucking lightning out of wands, bro, That's just
Speaker 2: not real.
Speaker 4: Ah, there are a lot of people that would disagree
Speaker 4: with what you just said.
Speaker 3: I would saying.
Speaker 4: We literally just had a guy on the show that
Speaker 4: talked about how magic wands are real.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, used as a mental instrument.
Speaker 3: Is that what he said? That's what That's what every
Speaker 3: magician will tell you. I don't believe that's what he said.
Speaker 4: Now, we didn't ask him about specifically shooting a bolt
Speaker 4: of lightning out of a stick.
Speaker 3: We didn't say that, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's these are not like physical things that are
Speaker 2: actually happening. All of it is within your mind, and
Speaker 2: it's your mind is actually the battery to all of
Speaker 2: these physical and all of these instruments, whether it is
Speaker 2: a wand or a sword, or a chalice or a shield,
Speaker 2: they're all just tools for your mind, every single one
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 3: That's not what he said.
Speaker 4: But also that's neither here nor there to the point
Speaker 4: I'm trying to make as far as like the mind
Speaker 4: and how the soul predates the body and all these things,
Speaker 4: I'm with you, Okay. There's a part in Fantastic Beasts
Speaker 4: where one of the main characters, a little, short, fat
Speaker 4: guy who's complete muggle, complete human, nothing to do with
Speaker 4: the wizarding world whatsoever, gets brought into New Greenkirch's briefcase basically,
Speaker 4: and he gets seen. He sees all these animals and
Speaker 4: these fantastic beasts and all these things, and up until
Speaker 4: this point he's kind of thinking that he's dreaming, right,
Speaker 4: magic and all this shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, clearly, I'm just hallucinating.
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm having a really bad day and my
Speaker 4: mind's playing tricks on me.
Speaker 5: Whatever.
Speaker 4: And then he goes there and he's like, you know what,
Speaker 4: I'm convinced that this is real. He's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: why is that? He's like, because I ain't smart enough
Speaker 4: to create all of this shit in my imagination. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's mo the lines of what I believe most human
Speaker 4: beings line up with.
Speaker 2: And I know you're not somebody that dreams very often,
Speaker 2: but I've created some really fantastical dreams in my mind,
Speaker 2: and I would in that dream, I would say, there's
Speaker 2: no way I created this. This place is too sick. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: it's all created in my mind, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So you could argue that six Ways of Sunday really fairpoint,
Speaker 2: that's what God's doing with this exactly. Oh Man and
Speaker 2: Grayson pulled up something Giants Fallen Angels, Nephelm.
Speaker 3: You guys have covered this a lot.
Speaker 2: This is something that I've really been contemplating, only because
Speaker 2: I love looking at the gnostic rama thought and even
Speaker 2: beyond Gnosticism, because I don't look to any one book
Speaker 2: for absolute truth.
Speaker 3: That's just not me.
Speaker 2: I like to take all of it. I'm a bit
Speaker 2: more of an eclectic in that sense. But I was
Speaker 2: thinking about it, dude, and if you really think about it,
Speaker 2: like I think that all humans are fallen angels. Like
Speaker 2: I think that we're the representation of the Nephilim if
Speaker 2: you really think about it. So let me let me
Speaker 2: just take your fancy here for a second. I think
Speaker 2: that it's an allegory for humanity and and just let
Speaker 2: me take your fancy.
Speaker 5: Here for a second.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: The Bible doesn't mention or and I'm only sticking to
Speaker 2: the Bible because it's fallen angels Nephlim. It's a biblical thing, right.
Speaker 4: The Asulters have giants in their stories. For the record,
Speaker 4: you don't have to go biblical with this.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean we were talking about fallen angels and
Speaker 2: nephlem also though that's a biblical thing.
Speaker 5: Jacob, what about Isla. Do they have legends of giants
Speaker 5: or is that jin So they have.
Speaker 3: Both, they have both. You gotta understand.
Speaker 4: The Quran took the Torah, which is the first five
Speaker 4: books of the Bible where the nephelo are talked about,
Speaker 4: and they implemented that into the Quran. They changed a
Speaker 4: few things around, so where like Adam isn't just Adam,
Speaker 4: he's the prophet Adam and the prophet Moses and the
Speaker 4: prophet Noah and every guy or of mention of worth is.
Speaker 3: The prophet dot dot. So like they did small little
Speaker 3: tweaks and made everything very Islamic.
Speaker 4: But the Torah itself, the first five books of the Bible,
Speaker 4: first five books of the of the Judaic tradition is
Speaker 4: also in the Quran as well. So yes, they do
Speaker 4: believe in giants, but as far as demonic entities are concerned,
Speaker 4: they call those gin. But when you look at them
Speaker 4: neck and neck. As far as the characteristics and attributes
Speaker 4: and everything, demon and gin are pretty much the same entity,
Speaker 4: being called by a different name, like.
Speaker 5: With Solomon and Solomon's ring. And is that in the
Speaker 5: Koran or I don't know. I mean, I have a
Speaker 5: copy of it, but I haven't read it in.
Speaker 4: A while, so not exactly they make mention, I want
Speaker 4: to say, they make mention of Solomon, but it's not
Speaker 4: like they talk about his entire story by any means.
Speaker 4: They make reference to the nation of Judea, right, but
Speaker 4: it's not referenced necessarily in a positive light.
Speaker 3: So they started tweaking things.
Speaker 4: The only things that I can say are like pretty
Speaker 4: much copy and pasted with some very very very slight differences.
Speaker 3: Is the first five Books of the Bible.
Speaker 4: As you go into the rest of the Old Testament,
Speaker 4: they kind of go off the beaten path because Mohammed
Speaker 4: couldn't read or write. He was not classically trained or educated,
Speaker 4: and he was getting stories from word of mouth and
Speaker 4: oral traditions on the Silk Road, which is why there's
Speaker 4: references to Mythraism, while there's references to Gnosticism, while there's
Speaker 4: references to certain Judeo Christian ideologies. But there's like some
Speaker 4: very deep twists and tangles that are thrown in. There's
Speaker 4: not it's not a very well put together book.
Speaker 5: I'll say that much, right, right, No, and thank you
Speaker 5: for the enlightenment on that. I mean, I but yeah,
Speaker 5: I thought jen somebody was asking me about that. But Jonathan,
Speaker 5: go ahead, I'm sorry to interrupt. No, You're good to give.
Speaker 2: Me a little bit more time to think. So the
Speaker 2: idea behind this is just a theory. And I'm all, dude,
Speaker 2: I am. I I literally obsess about every spiritual story
Speaker 2: in an allegorical sense, like it's just how my mind
Speaker 2: has been wired over the past couple of years. But
Speaker 2: whenever I think about, you know, could we have been
Speaker 2: the fallen angels? If you think about it, like the
Speaker 2: fallen angels, they were in God's realm and then they
Speaker 2: fell into material reality, right, they became you know, the
Speaker 2: Bible says that you should be in this world, but
Speaker 2: not of this world. And if you look at it,
Speaker 2: the fallen angels descended into material, physical reality and succumb
Speaker 2: to the physical.
Speaker 3: Things, you know what I mean, Like whether it.
Speaker 2: Was deceit or uh, sex or you know whatever, it's
Speaker 2: always about. It's always been about like becoming more of
Speaker 2: this world. And I think that that's the nature of
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 5: What about Adam and e though, I mean that was.
Speaker 3: Probably the first time.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, they didn't fall. I mean that was
Speaker 5: God's creation on Earth.
Speaker 3: I mean from Eden essentially. Yeah, it fell from Eden.
Speaker 4: But Eden was a place on this planet that wasn't
Speaker 4: like an ethereal place.
Speaker 3: It was at the point huh.
Speaker 2: Nowhere does it says that Eden was on this planet.
Speaker 3: It does as a matter of fact.
Speaker 4: It was where the tigers and the Euphrates meet, and
Speaker 4: there were two other ancient rivers that met at this point.
Speaker 4: There was four rivers that met at one spot, and
Speaker 4: that was the location of the Garden of Eden.
Speaker 3: Everybody would have found.
Speaker 2: If that's true, then everybody would agree upon that, and
Speaker 2: nobody does.
Speaker 4: That's crazy that they don't agree upon it. They need
Speaker 4: to read a fucking book.
Speaker 5: In Iraq, I thought, or near Iraq.
Speaker 4: It's near that area, yes, But that's also why that
Speaker 4: area the Garden of Eden, if we are to believe
Speaker 4: the story was like this lush of vegetation, all these things,
Speaker 4: and once they were kicked out of it, that's why
Speaker 4: that area is a barren desert these days. I mean, yes,
Speaker 4: Iraq does have its green areas. I'm not saying that
Speaker 4: there's no farm land or nothing like that, but nothing
Speaker 4: near the realm that was described in the Garden of Eden.
Speaker 4: But like, again we're talking about ancient, ancient, ancient sources.
Speaker 4: The two other rivers that flowed and met at the
Speaker 4: Tiger seen euphrates, they have been dried up for thousands
Speaker 4: of years and I don't mean two like I mean
Speaker 4: I'll be thousands and thousands of years. So yeah, it's
Speaker 4: a that's the thing. People don't want to look at
Speaker 4: the source material. That's fine, and like people want to disagree,
Speaker 4: and that's cool too, and I'm not I'm not trying
Speaker 4: to like be a dick on that, but like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's that's pretty much an understood thing. That was where
Speaker 4: God would dwell on the earth, and that's also written
Speaker 4: about in the Quran and the Torah.
Speaker 3: And the Bible.
Speaker 4: So yes, we were talking about a physical place where
Speaker 4: God would physically walk with physical feet on the physical earth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's ridiculous to me personally, Like that is the
Speaker 2: most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 3: I understand that's that's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but anyway, Yeah, just to wrap it up, I
Speaker 2: just I'm not even saying that I necessarily believe this,
Speaker 2: but I think that a lot of humans nowadays are
Speaker 2: succumbing to this physical material reality and falling even further
Speaker 2: and further and further away from our divine or godly
Speaker 2: nature or whatever, Which would make sense if there were
Speaker 2: angels that were in the realm of God and then
Speaker 2: they eventually fell down. Here, I'm just saying on an
Speaker 2: allegorical similarity sense, it's it's it's at least similar because
Speaker 2: if you look at all of the ancients, they'll all
Speaker 2: talk about this, whether you look into Hinduism, Buddhism, literally
Speaker 2: all over the place, they all talk about raising your
Speaker 2: consciousness and trying to essentially become one back with God,
Speaker 2: and people are not doing that. People are too too
Speaker 2: interested in you know, as what was his name? That
Speaker 2: was Oh, that was on a Meta Mysteries episode. He
Speaker 2: was talking about like everybody's too obsessed with just subscribing
Speaker 2: to everybody's only fans with them bitches showing their buttholes
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But but I don't know, It's
Speaker 2: just a theory. It's just something that I like to
Speaker 2: play with. I'm not necessarily attached to any singular belief
Speaker 2: on that.
Speaker 3: But anyway, well I.
Speaker 4: Said earlier, when it comes to allegory, I like to
Speaker 4: stick to Dante Aligary and his Divine Comedy and the
Speaker 4: fanfic that it was.
Speaker 3: I find it to be very interesting.
Speaker 4: I don't think that it's a source, and I don't
Speaker 4: think that that's what Hell actually looks like, or Purgatory
Speaker 4: or Heaven. But I do look at it as the
Speaker 4: allegorical story about what somebody during the Renaissance would think
Speaker 4: about these places, based off of the culture at that time.
Speaker 2: But sure, I mean, but even Dante alle Gary was
Speaker 2: not the first person to come up with an.
Speaker 3: Allegory, you know, that's what it's named after.
Speaker 2: I'm okay, that's the time that it probably got named.
Speaker 2: But surely that wasn't the very first time Jesus spoke
Speaker 2: in parables. You could easily call that an allegory.
Speaker 3: Is a parable, an allegory.
Speaker 4: Essentially, a parable is a story to teach you a lesson,
Speaker 4: and allegory is kind of open to the interpreter.
Speaker 3: Parables are not meant to be so, or at least
Speaker 3: not in that context.
Speaker 5: What if you don't understand the parable.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, what I'm saying is is that the
Speaker 2: the parable is usually to give you the meat of
Speaker 2: whatever this whatever the story is, right, An allegory is
Speaker 2: just it's almost like a a synonym. Okay, So the
Speaker 2: Three Little Pigs, that is a story, right, That is
Speaker 2: a parable, sure, and there is a lesson to be
Speaker 2: learned from this story. I would say that is not
Speaker 2: an allegorical story, because there is a lesson. And if
Speaker 2: your lesson from it is that I should just build
Speaker 2: a house out of bricks. Fuck the whole straw thing,
Speaker 2: then you miss the fucking point. That's that's not that
Speaker 2: didn't inherently make it allegorical.
Speaker 3: That makes you unwise.
Speaker 2: I feel like we're getting too nitty gritty. But my
Speaker 2: point is is that that's I don't know, spirit animal.
Speaker 2: Come save me, brother, because I'm fucking I'm drowning over here.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 5: Well, I thought Dante was like really really it was
Speaker 5: an allegory. It was satire almost about his hatred towards
Speaker 5: the you know, the Italian government, what was going on,
Speaker 5: because he references a lot of politicians that were long
Speaker 5: dead and they're like burning in this level or that
Speaker 5: level or this.
Speaker 13: Yeah level, I mean it was and there's a lot
Speaker 13: of references. Go ahead, the shocking thing from and I've
Speaker 13: read it, you know it, you know, translated into you know, English,
Speaker 13: So I don't think you're getting everything, but you know,
Speaker 13: on the gates of.
Speaker 5: Hell, abandon all hope he who enters here. I mean,
Speaker 5: that is the most frightening phrase I've ever heard in
Speaker 5: my life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's what I mean. It was satire for
Speaker 4: the day and age. But then there was also allegorical
Speaker 4: references to at this level he saw centaurs and ship
Speaker 4: and at this level he saw pagan deities, he saw Heracles,
Speaker 4: he saw Poseidon in hell, and it's like, Okay.
Speaker 5: It was his who was his guide? I forget, uh
Speaker 5: at which point the whole time it was that the one.
Speaker 4: He had one guy through hell, he had one guy
Speaker 4: through purgatory, and then he had one guy through heaven.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about hell.
Speaker 4: Oh shit, it's been a while since I read that
Speaker 4: the cantoes of the of the Divine Purgatory.
Speaker 3: But you know, anyway, anyway, I.
Speaker 5: Want to say Virgil Virgil, Yes, yes, eight dollars jeopardy.
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, Sam, your handsman, raised brother, what you got?
Speaker 11: It was about Dante actually, so it was a it
Speaker 11: was an illusion allegory to about the political re climate
Speaker 11: of everything, because he got sint he got sin away,
Speaker 11: he got put in exile, and even though well, uh
Speaker 11: if I'm not gonna saying he got sitting in exile
Speaker 11: partly due because of the chick that he was.
Speaker 10: He was in love with, she was supposed to be
Speaker 10: betrothed to another man and all.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and but even communicated, No, he got sit in exile.
Speaker 5: He did, he didn't communicated.
Speaker 11: Okay, yeah, yeah, it's a there's also another allegori. Let's
Speaker 11: call it letter. Oh no, uh, it's not the skull.
Speaker 11: It's the one that has the Crucibles, the one I'm
Speaker 11: talking about. What it's about the Salem Witch Trials and everything. Yeah,
Speaker 11: that's also an allegory too.
Speaker 4: Right, well, I mean, but that's one of the ones
Speaker 4: where there are references to historical figures that absolutely were
Speaker 4: a part of the Salem Witch Trials. Famously, Giles Corey
Speaker 4: right was one of the John Proctor, Reverend Hale. These
Speaker 4: were physical, real life, historical people that were in the
Speaker 4: town of Salem during the time of these trials. Now,
Speaker 4: all the ins and outs and the story arc of
Speaker 4: it all is that exactly as it was.
Speaker 3: There's a little bit of embellishment, there's a little bit
Speaker 3: of some storytelling being done there.
Speaker 2: But yes, there were historical figures and things like that, which, yeah,
Speaker 2: the Crucible is also a very very interesting time piece
Speaker 2: if you will, to get the culture of the day
Speaker 2: and age that took place.
Speaker 11: So the funny thing is, I'm the reason why the
Speaker 11: entire cast like the Crucible, the scart letter and Beowolf
Speaker 11: and British literature. I'm the reason why my group, my class,
Speaker 11: not a single person uh got blow a eighty nine.
Speaker 10: And while I was because.
Speaker 11: I talked it better to I was a ninth grade
Speaker 11: I was teaching that.
Speaker 10: The twelfth graders better than the actual teacher was. I
Speaker 10: got in trouble for it.
Speaker 3: BeO Wolf is an awesome story too.
Speaker 2: Teachers don't like whenever you show them up.
Speaker 10: I also kind of proved.
Speaker 11: I got hit in the head one time with the
Speaker 11: textbook by the teacher because I proved that the textbook
Speaker 11: was wrong. Because uh yeah, because in the textbook it
Speaker 11: said that the theory of gravity was not a theory,
Speaker 11: was fact. And I'm like, but that that's actually wrong.
Speaker 11: It's a theory and everything. And I even proved so
Speaker 11: like they even showed that it's a theory. And I
Speaker 11: got in trouble because I would finish all my my
Speaker 11: work and everything within like the first twenty minutes of class.
Speaker 10: Everybody else will take a long time.
Speaker 11: But so I'd break out my Bible and read, and
Speaker 11: she took the Bible for me and hit me with
Speaker 11: it and said that she doesn't want the fake books
Speaker 11: in the task.
Speaker 3: Oh damn, oh man in the Bible belt. Now that's
Speaker 3: a bold fucking move there, miss teaching.
Speaker 11: And she also doubled as our English teacher, and she
Speaker 11: would tell me my name is spelled wrong, and that
Speaker 11: my mother was a dumb hic and everything because my
Speaker 11: name is sa m u al not eale and wow, I.
Speaker 2: Mean Shafid's mom would disagree with that, right. I did
Speaker 2: want to, you know, kind of back up what I
Speaker 2: was saying, though, So the idea from the allegory does
Speaker 2: not come from Dante. Aligary. That's actually what most people think,
Speaker 2: but it's not true. So it says Dante, who made
Speaker 2: the Divine Comedy in the early early fourteenth century, made
Speaker 2: allegory famous in medieval literature because he consciously used it
Speaker 2: as a framework his journey through Hell, purgatory, and Paradise,
Speaker 2: symbolizing the soul's path to God. But the term and
Speaker 2: literary UH and literary technique were already well established in
Speaker 2: classical rhetoric used by Plato, Cicero, and Augustine, and in
Speaker 2: biblical interpretation. UH such as allegorical readings of scripture were
Speaker 2: standard in early Christianity. So Dante didn't invent allegory or
Speaker 2: the word itself. He just became one of the most
Speaker 2: influential practitioners in medieval literature.
Speaker 3: I was wrong.
Speaker 4: I honestly thought that. Yeah, like what an allegory is.
Speaker 4: I thought it was just called by another name before Dante,
Speaker 4: like the the conversation of an allegory has been around
Speaker 4: since the ancients, but I thought maybe they just called
Speaker 4: it something else.
Speaker 3: I mean, it is it is crazy.
Speaker 2: I mean you would think that, right, because, I mean
Speaker 2: the names are so similar with allegary and allegory.
Speaker 3: It's I could see why you'd think that. So it's
Speaker 3: proven wrong on this day. Good shit, God, that just
Speaker 3: makes me rock hard. Every time I hear that.
Speaker 4: Context makes me breacked up. You proving me wrong gets
Speaker 4: you breacked up. We have weird kinks. Y'all leave us alone.
Speaker 3: We did we do?
Speaker 2: Getting back over to the chat, white boy Wizard said
Speaker 2: hashtag demiurge gang. Okay, okay, oh yeah, oh HP house
Speaker 2: Zombie what it do?
Speaker 14: I have a quick question that's not on topic, but
Speaker 14: even like on the Kick about Words lately, Jonathan and
Speaker 14: I was having a conversation about names specifically, do you
Speaker 14: think that names have meaning? And if so, do you
Speaker 14: think that if people name children after gods, like, are
Speaker 14: they inherent to have those traits? It was a conversation
Speaker 14: I was having tonight.
Speaker 2: Oh that's an I would think personally, I think that
Speaker 2: all words have meaning, and all words are essentially spells.
Speaker 2: That was actually one of our earliest episodes, and I
Speaker 2: think that it's not even so much necessarily about the
Speaker 2: name as much as it is the vibration of the
Speaker 2: rhythm of the sound that is coming from you know,
Speaker 2: your body, that is entering into the air, and how.
Speaker 3: It's perceptive to everybody.
Speaker 2: And that's why, like, if you look at all the angels,
Speaker 2: they all end in L right like, and that's said
Speaker 2: to be like godly or something like that. But I
Speaker 2: think that, you know, there's probably a little bit of
Speaker 2: something to that. I'm not gonna sit here and say
Speaker 2: that every gardener named Hayeseus has healing abilities, but I
Speaker 2: think that that's.
Speaker 3: Could be wishful thinking.
Speaker 4: You know, I could hear a line of thought to
Speaker 4: say that that's how this goes, But I gotta be honest.
Speaker 3: The entire theory.
Speaker 4: Behind a boy named Sue would argue against that, right
Speaker 4: because if you name your boy something super girly and
Speaker 4: it makes them extra tough.
Speaker 3: In the reverb of that, that.
Speaker 4: Didn't make this guy no named Stacy. It didn't make
Speaker 4: him any more of a bitch.
Speaker 3: If anything. It made him a hard fucking knock. Well
Speaker 3: are like made up nowadays too, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: There's like eighteen different ways to spell Meghan, and I'm
Speaker 4: fucking over. Okay, there's no reason why a Z should
Speaker 4: be in the name Megan.
Speaker 3: This is what the fuck are we talking about here, dude.
Speaker 4: I'm literally I'm watching White women are doing some wild
Speaker 4: ship with names these days, and it's not just white women.
Speaker 3: But when it comes to like, oh, this is Britney spelled.
Speaker 5: With a Q.
Speaker 3: Where the fuck did a Q come from? And the
Speaker 3: name Brittany, what the what are we talking about here?
Speaker 5: Dude?
Speaker 4: You're trying to be oh so original, but you're naming
Speaker 4: her a basic ass name but trying to spell it original. Meanwhile,
Speaker 4: you're making it hell on anybody who ever reads this
Speaker 4: chick's name aloud.
Speaker 2: It's annoying, right, Yeah, the uh, I'm like a reject,
Speaker 2: And so I go back and watch old seasons of
Speaker 2: Big Brother, and there's the one season that I'm watching
Speaker 2: right now is uh there's a girl who's actually from
Speaker 2: uh nixt part of the woods over at College Station
Speaker 2: and her name is Mackenzie, right, But and that's my
Speaker 2: daughter's name. I'm of the realm of thought that I
Speaker 2: spelled my daughter's name the exact correct way m A
Speaker 2: c k E n z i z m A c
Speaker 2: k E n z i E. He spelled at m
Speaker 2: A c or m A k E n s Y.
Speaker 2: And I was like, that is the most atrocious thing
Speaker 2: I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 3: It's mind blowing. You know.
Speaker 4: Listen, I'm all about people naming their children original things, right,
Speaker 4: I'm all about it. I'm also all about keeping certain
Speaker 4: names in the family. Okay, I'm not gonna I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna shit on somebody for that. What I am gonna
Speaker 4: say is if you are going if it's a family
Speaker 4: name that is spelled in a very u specific way
Speaker 4: or something like that, then fine, do you Okay? If
Speaker 4: that's what If you had a great grandmother that was
Speaker 4: named this thing and spelled this way, then like, all right,
Speaker 4: how am I gonna.
Speaker 3: Say anything against This's cool?
Speaker 4: But for the majority, if you're going to name your
Speaker 4: child something that is already a very popular name in
Speaker 4: the world, just go with the easiest spelling. Let's Akham's
Speaker 4: razor this bitch and cut out all of this foolishness.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, just looking at the names though,
Speaker 2: I I I think that that they're almost like heavenly
Speaker 2: tied to us in a sense, you know, like that's
Speaker 2: why they say it's like your Christian name or whatever.
Speaker 2: But I think that everybody's name, it's almost like it
Speaker 2: was written in the stars before we were ever even
Speaker 2: here in a sense. So I think that there's a
Speaker 2: reason why we have our names, you know, I mean
Speaker 2: outside of just you know, my mom named me from
Speaker 2: one of her soap opera shows, right.
Speaker 4: Like my brother was named after the codesteer from Step
Speaker 4: by Step.
Speaker 3: The only reason why my brother's name is Cody day
Speaker 3: by Day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, Yeah, it's a I don't know that that's
Speaker 2: something interesting to look into, but if you look it up,
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody's looked up with the meaning of their
Speaker 2: name is like and and I have a very popular
Speaker 2: kind of definition as to what my name means. It
Speaker 2: means God's gift. But then you find like there's like
Speaker 2: a thousand other names that also means God's gift, you know.
Speaker 3: Right, or gift from God or something close to. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm with you, Yeah, zombie.
Speaker 5: You got John and Jacob so we got some apostle names,
Speaker 5: so tell.
Speaker 3: Me how that works out, didn't it well?
Speaker 2: And then there was that one awesome angel Jonathan to
Speaker 2: just come and Slagh Demons.
Speaker 3: Dude, you know he was a solid, jint, solid guy.
Speaker 5: My name was supposed to be gray Stone, so g
Speaker 5: R E Y S T O n E. It was
Speaker 5: my grandfather's middle name.
Speaker 3: That's solid. That's a solid name.
Speaker 5: But but you gotta think about it. So Grayson and
Speaker 5: kids are evil in elementary school? So what do you
Speaker 5: think I got called?
Speaker 2: The way that my name is spelled? People used to
Speaker 2: say jonathong, So.
Speaker 4: You know, I didn't know how your name was spelled
Speaker 4: until this fucking year.
Speaker 3: I thought it was Jonathan. It's jonathone.
Speaker 2: You've literally seen it every single day for the past
Speaker 2: five years on this every fucking day for five years,
Speaker 2: and I've never actually read it because I think I
Speaker 2: know how Jonathan is spelled.
Speaker 4: Come on, but it's like, fuck, there's other ways of
Speaker 4: spelling this shit too, dude.
Speaker 3: En Jonathan's with the H in the bitch.
Speaker 2: Jacob fucked up my name on our tax paperwork.
Speaker 3: And I was like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: We're trying to create this LLC so that we can
Speaker 2: be legit and everything. And he's writing down my name
Speaker 2: with a fucking a N and then like our tax
Speaker 2: guy's just like, well, hopefully kapital Wan doesn't you know,
Speaker 2: find that out.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah right, it's plays to me on
Speaker 3: that one. And I'm like, I fucking my bad shit, Tommie,
Speaker 3: go ahead.
Speaker 14: I think there's something too, uh Like I don't know.
Speaker 14: It's not I can just speak for as a woman,
Speaker 14: but like I like, I don't know. I had different
Speaker 14: names for my kids and then I don't know where
Speaker 14: it like resonated with me, like specific names. And I've
Speaker 14: heard other women say that they like they dream their names,
Speaker 14: they know the names, like it comes to them. They
Speaker 14: change their names last second, like women do like suddenly,
Speaker 14: like you know, this name no longer fits this child,
Speaker 14: like as soon as they give birth, or like never mind,
Speaker 14: like this this just doesn't feel right. I think that's
Speaker 14: I don't know. I think it's something to.
Speaker 3: It for me.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, actually, both of mine and there might
Speaker 2: actually be something to this. I'm happy you brought this
Speaker 2: up because it makes you think, like you know, so
Speaker 2: my kids, both of my names, both of my kids'
Speaker 2: names are named after Green Bay Packers because I grew
Speaker 2: up like worshiping the Packers.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: There was this one football player named Mike Mackenzie and
Speaker 2: he played defense for the Packers, and I always thought
Speaker 2: Mackenzie was just a sick ass name, right. And then
Speaker 2: my son named after the fucking greatest quarterback of all time,
Speaker 2: Brett Farv named him Brett. And I think that in
Speaker 2: just to get a little weird here, if you think
Speaker 2: back to like your childhood, that's whenever you are almost
Speaker 2: looking up to these people like idols, like gods in
Speaker 2: a sense, right, Like I would fucking worship Favre Dude.
Speaker 2: I like, if I was ever to meet him, I'd
Speaker 2: probably fame even still to this day. But I just
Speaker 2: think back to all those times of watching you know,
Speaker 2: Monday night football and seeing the Packers versus the Vikings
Speaker 2: or whatever, right, and I would just be glued to
Speaker 2: the TV and so much, so much energy and emotion
Speaker 2: was invested into that. And I almost wonder that if
Speaker 2: the names that I name my kids as a result
Speaker 2: of that, that energy is somehow attached to that, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like maybe I don't know, just
Speaker 2: getting real weird here, But if you think about it,
Speaker 2: like if everybody names their kid for like meaningful things,
Speaker 2: and some people probably like, oh dude, you named your
Speaker 2: kid after Packers. That's so lame or whatever, right, But
Speaker 2: if you really think about it, that's what was important
Speaker 2: to me as a kid, you know. And everybody has
Speaker 2: their reason for why they want to name their kids
Speaker 2: certain things, so maybe there's a little bit of that
Speaker 2: energy connected to it too. I'm not judging you for
Speaker 2: naming your children after Packers. I'm judging you for not
Speaker 2: being a fucking Packers fan and naming your children after Packers.
Speaker 2: I see Steelers shit all over. I have never seen
Speaker 2: a Packer's jersey or a Packer tattoo on. That's my
Speaker 2: only issue. It's because Brett. As soon as Brett Fav left,
Speaker 2: I stopped being a Packers fan. And actually as soon
Speaker 2: as far as soon as Brett Fav went to go
Speaker 2: play for the Jets, I became a Jets fan when
Speaker 2: he went to go play for the Fight. Whenever he
Speaker 2: went to go play for the Vikings, I was a
Speaker 2: Vikings fan.
Speaker 3: And then whenever he retired, he went from Packers to
Speaker 3: Viking fan.
Speaker 2: Due because I mean Hey, dude, that's just the way
Speaker 2: it is. I mean, you have your favorite player, and
Speaker 2: that's and especially in today's day and age, where you're
Speaker 2: going to have so many players just jumping from team
Speaker 2: to team to team year over year over year. Dude,
Speaker 2: whenever I was growing up, it wasn't like that. That
Speaker 2: only really became a thing in the in the two thousands.
Speaker 5: Really well, it was always about money, man, I mean,
Speaker 5: come on, a free agent.
Speaker 3: You know, it wasn't as popular back then as it
Speaker 3: is now.
Speaker 5: You will have more money, but.
Speaker 3: You know, but that's my point.
Speaker 4: He was that star player, so he was a commodity
Speaker 4: that could jump from team to team to team more
Speaker 4: often than not. Through the seventies, eighties, and nineties, you
Speaker 4: would have a player that might play for like two
Speaker 4: teams in their entire career, and that's a big maybe.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't have a guy putting up five fucking teams
Speaker 4: in their entire career.
Speaker 2: That was wild, right, Like Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, like
Speaker 2: players like that, Like usually you know, they're they're homers
Speaker 2: and they were true to their team. But even still,
Speaker 2: like there's a player that just got traded from the
Speaker 2: Cowboys Micah Parsons, right, and dude, he's like one of
Speaker 2: the best defensive players in the league right now, like
Speaker 2: a top fiver, right, and it was a generational talent. Like,
Speaker 2: you don't trade that. I don't care how many first
Speaker 2: round draft picks you're gonna get, you don't trade that,
Speaker 2: right because that's a staple, that's a cornerstone to your franchise.
Speaker 2: And the Cowboys Cowboys traded him, Just trade them like
Speaker 2: a fucking idiots, because.
Speaker 3: So fucking dumb dude.
Speaker 4: I listen, okay, and you know I don't give a
Speaker 4: fuck about the NFL, but I will say fuck the Cowboys, agree, right,
Speaker 4: because in my heart I'm a Saints fan. Therefore I
Speaker 4: simply must say fuck the Cowboys. Look, I don't like
Speaker 4: it any more than anybody else does. It's just in
Speaker 4: the DNA at this point, right. But yeah, that many
Speaker 4: America's Team, I fucking ass we're still living in the
Speaker 4: seventies over there.
Speaker 2: But no, get missed me with all that America's Team bullshit,
Speaker 2: because you know the I think his name was Art Modell.
Speaker 2: He came up to Art Rooney of the owner of
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers back in the seventies and that guy
Speaker 2: came which he was the NFL commissioner, came up to
Speaker 2: the owner of the Steelers and said, look, we're trying
Speaker 2: to promote the NFL a little bit more. We would
Speaker 2: like to name your team America's team. Offered that to
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers. First Art Rooney, I think it was
Speaker 2: Art Rooney. Art Rooney said, We're not America's team, We're
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers. Okay, so just understand that we don't
Speaker 2: care about being an America's team. We represent the fucking city,
Speaker 2: which I think dude, savage, savage myth love it.
Speaker 3: That's that is a that's a a move.
Speaker 4: It's one of the most moves that'd be like them
Speaker 4: approaching the lines and being like, we're not America's team,
Speaker 4: We're Detroit.
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, then, brother, you you go home be that,
Speaker 3: which is great.
Speaker 5: I think you know a guy from Michigan, so come on.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, No, you're sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Lions the only team to ever go oh
Speaker 2: in sixteen.
Speaker 4: I'm a if I had to pull I say, a
Speaker 4: Saints fan, It's not like I'm talking from a fucking
Speaker 4: high horse here.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: If anything shit recognized.
Speaker 8: Shit.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, which is you know what's
Speaker 2: funny is is that you'll have like commentators that come
Speaker 2: from the NFL and they're like, well, I have all
Speaker 2: this NFL experience, right, and then they get up and
Speaker 2: they start talking on ESPN or whatever, and they act
Speaker 2: like they have all this experience. It's like fucking Dan Orlovsky,
Speaker 2: who was an old Lions quarterback back in the day.
Speaker 2: One of the most bonehead plays I've ever seen in
Speaker 2: my life. This dude runs out of the back of
Speaker 2: the end zone on purpose, right, like because of the clock. No, no,
Speaker 2: like he fucking caused the safety because he didn't know
Speaker 2: where the back of the end zone was.
Speaker 3: And so dude, people were this was this dude.
Speaker 2: People were ragging on him so hard for so many years,
Speaker 2: and that is kept up with him still to this day.
Speaker 2: And then when every time he talks on ESPN, I'm like, Dan,
Speaker 2: go run out the fucking back of an in so
Speaker 2: and you're an idiot, like just so stupid.
Speaker 5: Did Joe Namath did he always stay with the Jets
Speaker 5: or did he get traded?
Speaker 3: He stayed?
Speaker 4: It was Oh played for another team too. At one
Speaker 4: point didn't he when he first broke out.
Speaker 5: I thought he always stayed with the Jets. Where did
Speaker 5: they call him, like Hollywood Joe or whatever? Did you
Speaker 5: guys ever see where he was at one of the
Speaker 5: one of the games and he was just blotto drunk
Speaker 5: and he's just like I will guess see talking to
Speaker 5: the ESPN reporter and then he had to go into
Speaker 5: rehab like the next day. Yeah, Joe, it was bad.
Speaker 5: It was bad. It's like, dude, don't get in front
Speaker 5: of the cameraman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you if you're blitzed, stay away from light's
Speaker 4: camera action.
Speaker 3: Just just go the opposite direction, dude, if you go
Speaker 3: back and look at But you.
Speaker 5: Think that's kind of predatory though on the reporters, if
Speaker 5: they know somebody is like just absolutely intoxicated.
Speaker 3: That's that's what they do.
Speaker 4: They find somebody the worst possible position so that they
Speaker 4: can be the reporter that did the deed that got
Speaker 4: this guy in trouble.
Speaker 3: They love that shit. We can bully journalists harder, ladies
Speaker 3: and gentlemen.
Speaker 4: If you feel like you're bullying them hard enough right now,
Speaker 4: you could take it up a step or two.
Speaker 3: I promise you can.
Speaker 5: Well look at like the Minnesota shooting, you know, and
Speaker 5: all the like, did you guys see that photo of
Speaker 5: the woman running down the street like towards the school
Speaker 5: she didn't have a shoe on or whatever. When do
Speaker 5: reporters think that they are just removed from reality, like
Speaker 5: they're not a part of the scene. It's like, put
Speaker 5: the camera down, go help somebody. Of course, now it's like, oh, oh,
Speaker 5: you're gonna you're capture on history. It's like, well, no,
Speaker 5: why don't you go say lives?
Speaker 4: But that's the thing. The cops have their job. Their
Speaker 4: job is to quarantine off the street and get the
Speaker 4: bad guy. I'm a journalist. My job is to take
Speaker 4: the pictures of the cops and the bad guy in
Speaker 4: all this, and they try to hide behind that shield
Speaker 4: of well, I'm just doing my job. And it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, you have to have a real hard time
Speaker 4: looking at yourself in the mirror, you motherfucker.
Speaker 5: Well no, look at January sixth, like I still have
Speaker 5: the time life Meg. It's like, how did you guys,
Speaker 5: if this was just absolute broke, blind bedlam, chaos. You know,
Speaker 5: people are getting killed, how did you get such these
Speaker 5: great shots? Were you? Were you with them and you're
Speaker 5: just like, yeah, let me get let me get a photo,
Speaker 5: you know, and it's just like January sixth throws me
Speaker 5: so off. But you know with Trump, with UAP, with Epstein,
Speaker 5: it's just like nine to eleven, nothing's coming out.
Speaker 4: It was just like, I will say this, as far
Speaker 4: as the mob in general, Republican Democrat, what other fuck?
Speaker 4: I am very very happy that with the UH the
Speaker 4: ice protests that are happening right now, journalists are not
Speaker 4: free and clear from catching those hands or those rounds
Speaker 4: or the hatred from the mob. This journalist is out
Speaker 4: there and she's trying to like tell them, no, I'm
Speaker 4: just here pointing the story I want to hear from you,
Speaker 4: and in their face.
Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 4: You're out here, show them what they're doing to us,
Speaker 4: POPAPA and they are getting shit on by the rioters,
Speaker 4: and it's like, you know what.
Speaker 5: Good well, Jacob, Jacob a good example. And my mom
Speaker 5: was asking me about this with you know, Israel and
Speaker 5: Gaza and embedded reporters getting shot, it's like, Mom, they
Speaker 5: know they're going into a war zone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're a wartime correspondent, you know the risk
Speaker 3: that you.
Speaker 5: You don't have a badge and says Pressed, you don't
Speaker 5: have you know, Geneva convention. No, you have a flag
Speaker 5: shacket on. You're just another target. It's like they know
Speaker 5: exactly what they were getting into. It's not like, you know,
Speaker 5: press badge is not a shield.
Speaker 4: Press badge is not to get out of jail free card.
Speaker 4: It would it will work to those that give a
Speaker 4: fuck that's it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. But it's like you knew what you know
Speaker 5: and sympathy for their families. But it's like, you guys
Speaker 5: knew what you were getting into. Don't think that you
Speaker 5: have that protection. You're in a war zone. It's like
Speaker 5: somebody somebody free climbing without a rope. Okay, you slip.
Speaker 4: Exactly, you got at Red Rocks and he falls a
Speaker 4: thousand pets to his death with no rope.
Speaker 3: Am I is the family sad that they're no longer here? Yeah,
Speaker 3: but also you were free.
Speaker 5: Climbing without a the risk.
Speaker 3: Zombie, your hands raised what you got.
Speaker 5: Sorry, guys, I'm in a row.
Speaker 14: I think, I mean, I agree, I agree in the
Speaker 14: one hand and disagree on the other hand. I think
Speaker 14: there is a place for journalism. I think that it
Speaker 14: is important for us being able to capture what is happening,
Speaker 14: the good, the bad, the ugly, all all in all
Speaker 14: in between. I wish that there was unbiased journalism. I
Speaker 14: think that's the biggest issue is when it is reported
Speaker 14: in a very specific way to create a narrative and
Speaker 14: continue that narrative. There are journalists so that I follow
Speaker 14: that they actively go out and like they do show
Speaker 14: the raw brutality of what is actually happening because so
Speaker 14: many people, like specifically Americans, all they see is filtered images,
Speaker 14: like they might see some quote unquote graphic images here
Speaker 14: and there, but in reality, they don't have the concept
Speaker 14: of what people are really going through on a day
Speaker 14: to day basis and where places are actually you know,
Speaker 14: starvation when it's looking you know the famous photograph that
Speaker 14: everyone talks about as a starvation kid and everything. He
Speaker 14: actually did survive, but you know what happened to the
Speaker 14: journalists afterwards, But like that's the thing. It sparked conversations.
Speaker 14: I think the images hold true power and video clips
Speaker 14: and images of like what's actually transpiring in locations where
Speaker 14: we have no concept, especially when we're living in such
Speaker 14: a different kind of way than most of the world
Speaker 14: is living. I think it's really important now wartime correspondents
Speaker 14: they understand what they're signing up for. Some of them
Speaker 14: are more naive than others and do pose an actual
Speaker 14: threat to people that are trying to keep them alive.
Speaker 14: Like my ex for example, he went into Fallujah and
Speaker 14: he was the first wave and they had wartime corresponders.
Speaker 14: I actually watched it live on TV. He called me
Speaker 14: outside of it and told me he was going into
Speaker 14: the cemetery and I'm watching the live foot And they
Speaker 14: actually had to work really hard to keep that wartime
Speaker 14: corresponder alive because it was such a dangerous situation. So,
Speaker 14: I mean, they wanted to capture what was really happening,
Speaker 14: and I think it's important to be able to show
Speaker 14: people what's really going on instead of just like filtered
Speaker 14: you know, images and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Now I feel that, but like you said, it is
Speaker 4: so so hard to find a true, fair and unbiased journalist.
Speaker 4: They do exist out there, but I'm pretty sure regardless
Speaker 4: of whatever political spectrum you call yourself or whatever else,
Speaker 4: I think we can all agree that that is the outlier, that.
Speaker 3: Is not the majority.
Speaker 4: I would say that's that might be the one percent
Speaker 4: of journalists that actually keep it, just showing the story
Speaker 4: as it was on the ground, without throwing their own stigma,
Speaker 4: without their owing their own bias, without trying to spin
Speaker 4: a narrative for their audience, and just reporting.
Speaker 3: As it is.
Speaker 4: I agree that these people are important, but it is
Speaker 4: so rare to find one. It's it's pretty much a
Speaker 4: fucking unicorn. Like they exist out there. But I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't know if I'll ever see one. But I
Speaker 4: am happy, Raven that you have some that you have
Speaker 4: found that you you get down with.
Speaker 3: That's excellent, Sam, your hand is raised, Go ahead, sir. Well.
Speaker 11: The thing about the wartime correspondence, I do believe that
Speaker 11: some of them do good, but I also think a
Speaker 11: lot of it that in and of itself is contradictionary
Speaker 11: to our fighting force because it does put extra strain
Speaker 11: on the guns and everything. But they could with the
Speaker 11: Vietnam War, it was used as heavily propagandized against and
Speaker 11: it it Look what it did to our boys when
Speaker 11: they came home. Yeah, I think that in of itself,
Speaker 11: the bad outweighs the good in that just personally.
Speaker 4: And it's very situational, right. Yeah, in the Vietnam War
Speaker 4: was absolutely used to the to the chagrin of all
Speaker 4: of our boys over there, and then it was used
Speaker 4: to propagandize them in the worst possible light. And I
Speaker 4: would say that a lot of wartime correspondents in Iraq
Speaker 4: and Afghanistan, some of them absolutely put their spin on it.
Speaker 3: There were those that were solid that were there.
Speaker 4: To just get the truth of what was going on
Speaker 4: and all these things, And I mean there's something to
Speaker 4: be said for that too.
Speaker 11: A private joker from a full male jacket was a
Speaker 11: wartime correspondence. He did the duality of men was his
Speaker 11: whole stick, which I thought was pretty cool. Al my
Speaker 11: first time watching that was the night before I shipped
Speaker 11: out to the boot camp.
Speaker 3: But he was also a marine.
Speaker 4: He wasn't working for the rolling Stone that was attached
Speaker 4: to an infantry unit and gone overseas. He was a
Speaker 4: part of them who was doing journalism for the Marine Corps.
Speaker 4: That's a little bit different. But even still, there are
Speaker 4: outside sources that do send like solid wartime correspondents to
Speaker 4: the front that are not a hindrance in any way.
Speaker 4: But again, I don't know, but I would I feel
Speaker 4: that's probably way more few.
Speaker 3: And far between.
Speaker 4: Like more often than not, it becomes that they are
Speaker 4: kind of an HVT to the bad guys, and then
Speaker 4: you got to try to protect them as if they
Speaker 4: are somebody important.
Speaker 11: Well, there was a guy who who went into the
Speaker 11: Valley of Death over the first Battle of the Vietnam
Speaker 11: with how uh cow No, I won't to say the
Speaker 11: general now, but how more that he if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 11: didn't he end up having to drop the camera and
Speaker 11: pick up the rifle or to buy to save his
Speaker 11: own life and another soldiers?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they show it in the movie we were soldiers,
Speaker 4: but doing that also made him a combatant, and if
Speaker 4: something would have happened to him, the rules of the
Speaker 4: Geneva Convention.
Speaker 3: Are out the window.
Speaker 10: But they were going to kill him anyway.
Speaker 4: Correct, Hey, look that's I understand in that moment killer
Speaker 4: be killed. I'm not saying he should have stuck to
Speaker 4: his morals and like snap pictures and just accepted his
Speaker 4: death right. But there's I'm also not of the like
Speaker 4: I would never be a Wark time correspondent because that's
Speaker 4: insane to.
Speaker 3: Me, even like a chaplain.
Speaker 4: Chaplains go overseas and they can't even carry a side arm. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you goddamn mind if you think that that. Now listen,
Speaker 4: I mad respect to them for believing that their higher
Speaker 4: power is going to protect them in that environment.
Speaker 3: Much love, much respect.
Speaker 5: But Jesus a me homie.
Speaker 10: Jesus says, sell your cloak and buy a sword, my dog.
Speaker 4: I agree with that statement, But apparently the priestly class
Speaker 4: and the military that is a part of it. If
Speaker 4: they are going to be protected under the Geneva Convention,
Speaker 4: then no chaplain can even carry a side arm.
Speaker 5: Jacob, what about uh medics? Can they Caary.
Speaker 4: Medics have to now doctors and surgeons. I think they
Speaker 4: are allowed to, but it's very rare because they're so
Speaker 4: far back from the front lines. But field medics, like
Speaker 4: in the Marine Corps, we have Corman. Oh best believe Corman.
Speaker 4: Doc has that fucking thing on him. As a matter
Speaker 4: of fact, docs get the ultimate respect because not only
Speaker 4: are they carrying their ruck with all their gear and
Speaker 4: their weapon and their AMMO, they're also carrying their medic bag.
Speaker 4: And Doc gets protected above all else because if Doc
Speaker 4: goes down, the entire platoon is fucked.
Speaker 3: So Doc gets treated like he is. If Doc says
Speaker 3: the sky is red.
Speaker 4: I will fucking fight somebody to the death over the
Speaker 4: fucking color of the sky. Doc said, it's fucking red.
Speaker 4: That's there's a real level there for sure.
Speaker 5: And God loves medics, he does.
Speaker 15: That's what I was in the army.
Speaker 14: It was a sixty whiskey call my medic.
Speaker 3: Flying band aid. If I'm not mistaken. Is that what
Speaker 3: you'all are called an army?
Speaker 15: No, I've never heard that flying band aid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know why they called their medics the
Speaker 4: flying band aids. And I'm like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 4: not mad at that, but dope.
Speaker 16: So yeah, just as solid, maybe depending on like where
Speaker 16: they were attached, maybe if they were airborne or something.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure what I have maybe what uh, you
Speaker 4: were at a medic station, a hospital with a line unit?
Speaker 3: What were you so.
Speaker 14: I was at.
Speaker 16: We did a lot of backfield for I had everything
Speaker 16: from dentistry, psychiatry, psychology.
Speaker 14: It was uh, I don't know, I don't know how
Speaker 14: to explain another. And we had backfield.
Speaker 16: We had everything in ours we're going to support unit.
Speaker 4: I guess now I have to ask you yes, and
Speaker 4: it's okay if you don't answer, but I will judge
Speaker 4: you if you don't answer, how many silver bullets did
Speaker 4: you have to administer?
Speaker 3: Just curious?
Speaker 15: None? None, yeah, none. Man. She did a lot of
Speaker 15: like the the the readiness, so we made sure everybody
Speaker 15: was ready to go, and then we did a lot
Speaker 15: of state side deployments.
Speaker 16: It was technically deployments, but it was, like I said, backfield,
Speaker 16: so when other hospital units would deploy, we would go
Speaker 16: fill their state, their their duty stations, so that the
Speaker 16: hospitals and such weren't or lack all.
Speaker 4: Right now, to be fair, I mean in my entire time,
Speaker 4: I only saw three silver bullets administered ever, but and
Speaker 4: they were by different docks.
Speaker 3: But I kind of thought that was like a rite
Speaker 3: of passage for the doc group.
Speaker 5: All right, Jacob, Jacob, you got to explain that.
Speaker 3: Oh well there's no car.
Speaker 16: Well, well, when a guy sticks as Willie where it
Speaker 16: shouldn't go.
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, I'm talking about when they go
Speaker 4: down as a heat casualty, not the not the chlamydia.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: The silver bullet is whenever a guy goes down as
Speaker 4: a heat case, right, heat stroke, he'd exhaustion. Whatever, he's
Speaker 4: on the ground, he's non responsive and he's pretty much
Speaker 4: stopped sweating. The doc has to take his core body temperature,
Speaker 4: and there is one place to do that, and they
Speaker 4: don't just use a regular thermometer. It is a rather
Speaker 4: large thermometer. Like why the fuck is the thermometer that big?
Speaker 4: No one's ever explained it to me, a regular.
Speaker 5: Like how big? Like how big?
Speaker 17: Like?
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not like you're getting fucked by a
Speaker 4: giant dildo by any means. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: it is absolutely larger than your CVS brand thermometer. And uh,
Speaker 4: if you're lucky, your doc will be a homie and
Speaker 4: spit on it for you.
Speaker 3: That's a thing.
Speaker 4: And then once he takes your core body temperature, he understands.
Speaker 3: To what level you are a heat casualty.
Speaker 4: And he knows what kind of aid to ad minister,
Speaker 4: probably starting IVY for the fuck of it.
Speaker 3: They love doing that. But uh, yeah, Raven, go ahead.
Speaker 5: You your core temperature. Why couldn't they do that from
Speaker 5: a thermometer?
Speaker 3: I mean, if you mean, like from the mouth or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you're not one hundred percent sure if that
Speaker 4: guy took a swig of water and how long ago
Speaker 4: and whatever else, you got to understand one doc might
Speaker 4: be the only medical correspondent for up to like three
Speaker 4: hundred dudes, and he's not watching every one of them
Speaker 4: like a babysitter. So if somebody goes down, he is
Speaker 4: not sure of what this guy did over the past
Speaker 4: hour to get to the position he's in, but he
Speaker 4: knows that there is one definite way to pull that
Speaker 4: core body temperature and proceed.
Speaker 3: So that's all they do they.
Speaker 5: Do, all right, Thank you for the explanation.
Speaker 3: Raven Lee.
Speaker 4: You being a Marine Corps veteran, what's your thoughts on this?
Speaker 14: Oh man, I've been. I had lived in twenty nine palms.
Speaker 14: I've been. I lived in Okinawa, and I'm went to
Speaker 14: Afghanistan a few times, all super super keat places, and
Speaker 14: I've seen a lot of people drop. I actually don't
Speaker 14: think I've seen that many silver bullets, to be honest
Speaker 14: with you, but I will say that I had like
Speaker 14: an entire foot locker above my locker itself that was
Speaker 14: full of like ivs because we would get so drunk,
Speaker 14: like instead of banging on the doors to wake up
Speaker 14: the docks all the time, like we we just would
Speaker 14: give ivs to each other at one point my doc
Speaker 14: was I'm actually still friends with some of my doc
Speaker 14: friends all these years later, you know, fifteen plus years later,
Speaker 14: we're still like super close. I would go and bang
Speaker 14: on his door at like three am in the morning.
Speaker 14: I need IVS. But that was mostly the main thing
Speaker 14: is that, and you know, if we could get out
Speaker 14: of having these stupid battalion runs because nobody likes to
Speaker 14: do battalion runs. But a lot of heat casually is
Speaker 14: happened because like actually the most happened in Okinawa because
Speaker 14: it's a tropical island. You have to wear a white
Speaker 14: shirt for an entire month signaling that you just got
Speaker 14: the island because it is so god awful human and
Speaker 14: hot there that like you'll drop just walk into the
Speaker 14: p X. It's really gosh. I hate it. And Afghanistan's
Speaker 14: even hotter too.
Speaker 18: I think you might die just trying to take a
Speaker 18: shit in a fucking poor shit or to be honest
Speaker 18: with you, it's so freaking hot, like if no one's
Speaker 18: experienced that, like feel blessed.
Speaker 4: And that's also how you knew of your doc was
Speaker 4: a real one if he was willing to give you
Speaker 4: an IV because you got too drunk last night, and
Speaker 4: he wanted you to not be completely shit in the morning,
Speaker 4: and he was able to like fudge some paperwork to
Speaker 4: get some more ivy bags and stuff like you know
Speaker 4: some of the docs out there.
Speaker 3: Just doing the Lord's work. You know.
Speaker 4: Anyway, Sam, go ahead, brother has another marine corvette, go
Speaker 4: ahead and speak on it.
Speaker 11: I actually know somebody who had to get a silver
Speaker 11: bullet and everything, but we did. I actually was funds
Speaker 11: with a couple of the coolmen on base because I
Speaker 11: was on p I yeah, I learned how to do
Speaker 11: an IV I ended up giving him everything and we
Speaker 11: stuck him in the shower. Dude, it was his he
Speaker 11: it was his twin's birthday. We threw a baggs party
Speaker 11: and everything. He got completely fucked up.
Speaker 5: M I had.
Speaker 11: I played babysitter and everything, and I legitimately started writing
Speaker 11: a letter to his mother because how how scary that
Speaker 11: shit got?
Speaker 4: Oh Lord, I will say the first time I saw
Speaker 4: a silver bullet go administer was at boot camp. It
Speaker 4: was from this Asian dude who was a complete fucking
Speaker 4: bitch start to finish.
Speaker 3: He'd never like found his manhood whatsoever.
Speaker 4: He like pretended that he did, but he never really did,
Speaker 4: and uh, he went down, and we thought we had
Speaker 4: heard the drill instructors talking about, oh, you don't want
Speaker 4: the silver bullet up your ass, but but we thought
Speaker 4: it was like a tactic to get in our heads
Speaker 4: and like it's not a real thing.
Speaker 3: You know, we have real medical personnel.
Speaker 4: They're not gonna fuck you with a dildo because you
Speaker 4: went down because you didn't drink enough water.
Speaker 3: That's fucking crazy.
Speaker 4: Then he went down and like legitimately got something shoved
Speaker 4: up his ass because of it, and uh, when.
Speaker 3: He woke up, he gave the worst response ever.
Speaker 4: Like later on a day or two later, he's fully
Speaker 4: back in functioning order, and our head drill instructor, a senior,
Speaker 4: asked him. He's like, so, I'm not gonna name him.
Speaker 4: I want to, but I'm not gonna name him. I'm
Speaker 4: not going to be that big of a dick. He's like, so,
Speaker 4: uh guy, uh so, how uh how are you feeling
Speaker 4: this day? How was that silver bullet? His response was,
Speaker 4: that's not what I felt like it would or that's
Speaker 4: not what I thought it would feel like at all, sir.
Speaker 3: And it's like, and you gave the gayest fucking response you.
Speaker 4: Couldn't been like, yeah, I wasn't pretty. Y'all need to
Speaker 4: drink water, you don't want that. No, he had to
Speaker 4: give it in the weirdest tone too, and it's like,
Speaker 4: you know what, you're just a weird motherfucker dude, And
Speaker 4: somehow he graduated sometime he I. You know, when you
Speaker 4: go through boot camp during a wartime, you'll see things
Speaker 4: where you're like that guy clearly shouldn't be here, and
Speaker 4: it's not because you don't like him. It's because he
Speaker 4: cannot get with the fucking program, like clearly, But it's
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Speaker 5: Not not Adam and E. But that was interesting, So Jacob,
Speaker 5: would that be like, uh like, was that Marines Army
Speaker 5: or you in the Marines? Marines?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: So is that like a few good men? Uh? Cold Red?
Speaker 16: Uh not?
Speaker 3: Well, we never had that situation because.
Speaker 4: I got in at a time when hazing was being
Speaker 4: like it was seen as like the ultimate taboo.
Speaker 3: Right now, it still happened.
Speaker 4: There were still installations, especially like in Okinawa where you're
Speaker 4: on an island nowhere near the continental US where like
Speaker 4: absolutely things went. It went down under the radar and
Speaker 4: a lot of people got fucked up really badly for it.
Speaker 3: But the h the whole thing.
Speaker 4: So we threw one dry shower if anybody knows what
Speaker 4: that is. Have you ever seen the movie Full Metal
Speaker 4: Jacket where they take a bar of soap and they
Speaker 4: put in their towels or in a sock and then.
Speaker 13: Yeah, they called it a dry shower.
Speaker 3: Blanket party, dry shower. There's a couple of different games
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 4: We did that one time and our drill instructors took
Speaker 4: all of our bars of soap at that point and
Speaker 4: we had to use one bottle of shampoo for seventy
Speaker 4: five guys and like that was it, and.
Speaker 3: That was shampoo and body wash.
Speaker 4: They would throw it into the massive shower room and
Speaker 4: say figure it the fuck out. So like we kind
Speaker 4: of fucked ourselves on that one. But for the record,
Speaker 4: the guy deserved it there neither here, no.
Speaker 5: There, But he didn't he didn't he didn't order the
Speaker 5: code red. Right, So you guys were doing self discipline.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because we were all getting fucked up on behalf
Speaker 4: of his stupidity and like, that's a thing. Well, we
Speaker 4: did stuff like that when I got to d C two,
Speaker 4: to certain guys who deserved it, I might add, But
Speaker 4: the the systemic hazing from up top your base colonel
Speaker 4: calling down and saying hey, y'all need to handle this guy,
Speaker 4: this and this that, that is by far just if
Speaker 4: it's ever been a thing, it is very much a
Speaker 4: thing of the past. Hazing does still take place, and
Speaker 4: I do believe that it can be done for good reasons.
Speaker 4: It's very very much depending on where you are and
Speaker 4: what you're doing. But the problem is that there's always
Speaker 4: assholes that try to one up it. Right, Let's say
Speaker 4: you have a guy who, uh, he fell asleep on watch,
Speaker 4: so you make an example out of him and make
Speaker 4: him stay awake for like five days straight to teach
Speaker 4: him a lesson. That's hazing. Yeah, but I bet he'll
Speaker 4: never make this miss take again.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: That is hating for a purpose. But the problem is
Speaker 4: you always have assholes that like, well, if it was
Speaker 4: done to me, I'm gonna do it to them, and
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be even worse. And it's a it's like
Speaker 4: a whole egoic thing. Next thing, you know you have
Speaker 4: level right, next thing, you know, you have guys getting
Speaker 4: sent to the hospital for the jollys of it, and
Speaker 4: it's like, no, this is, for example, getting blood pinned, right,
Speaker 4: getting pinned and getting blood striped. In the Marine Corps,
Speaker 4: when you get a new rank, you you get pinned
Speaker 4: on your collar your new rank, and you're supposed to
Speaker 4: leave the little backings off of the rank, and all
Speaker 4: day long, whoever is that rank or higher should be
Speaker 4: able to come up and hit you in the rank
Speaker 4: and it stabs into your collarbone.
Speaker 3: Right, And it's not meant to be mean spirited. It's
Speaker 3: meant to be like a little bit of an ad
Speaker 3: a boy, but also kind of fuck you.
Speaker 4: You know, remember where you come from. It's a it's
Speaker 4: a brotherhood thing and a spree to core thing. But
Speaker 4: you'll have those assholes that'll go out of their way
Speaker 4: and fucking hit it with everything they can. And you
Speaker 4: got guys that'll get broken collar bones or blood striping.
Speaker 4: When you hit the rank of corporal E four you
Speaker 4: become an NCO and the Marine Corps with your dress blues,
Speaker 4: you get red stripes down your trousers. Right, good things
Speaker 4: and you have from that for that one day corporal
Speaker 4: on up will come up and dead leg you in
Speaker 4: the thigh, which, again it's supposed to be a little nudge,
Speaker 4: a little.
Speaker 3: Fucking, you know, the fucking with the younger brother, so
Speaker 3: to speak.
Speaker 4: It's not meant to be mean spirited and fuck up
Speaker 4: your entire life.
Speaker 3: It's meant to be a little jab.
Speaker 4: But then you have people that get sent to the
Speaker 4: hospital and can't walk for two days because people take
Speaker 4: shit too far, and that goes for the micro and
Speaker 4: it goes for the macro. These people go way too
Speaker 4: far with it. So I think hazing has its place,
Speaker 4: But when I was in the Marine Corps, it was
Speaker 4: on the downtick to where like if you even tried
Speaker 4: to do something of a hazing nature, that would be
Speaker 4: your career. But again it definitely did still happen in
Speaker 4: different locations depending on where you were.
Speaker 5: Some if that, do you think that the level of
Speaker 5: hazing like in the Marine or Navy or any of
Speaker 5: the other branches, is it the same or more brutal
Speaker 5: like the Army versus some Marines for Navy, or is
Speaker 5: it just kind of like a frat thing, you know,
Speaker 5: it's I would I guess.
Speaker 4: No, no, not really, from what I can tell and
Speaker 4: from dudes that I know, and from stories that I've heard.
Speaker 4: In all of these things, it is a different flavor
Speaker 4: but the same kind of spirit. Like, for instance, in
Speaker 4: the in the Navy, there's something called getting your shell
Speaker 4: back right, and it's when you cross over the air
Speaker 4: National date Line. There's this big, big hazing thing that
Speaker 4: happens on the deck of an aircraft carrier and everybody
Speaker 4: of every rank goes through it. You do not have
Speaker 4: to go through it, but you also want to go
Speaker 4: through it right. And that's a it's a specifically Navy thing.
Speaker 4: There's another thing for Christs and the Equator. I've heard
Speaker 4: there's a thing when you go to the Arctic Circle.
Speaker 4: There there's different levels to it, right jump wings, there's
Speaker 4: a there's a hazing ritual that goes on with that.
Speaker 4: There's the Army has their own thing. I'm sure the well,
Speaker 4: I don't know if the Air Force has some things.
Speaker 4: I would assume probably not, but maybe, but there's there's
Speaker 4: levels to it. Some of them take it to a
Speaker 4: more brutal level. But I would say overall, it's it happens.
Speaker 3: It's just a different flavor depending on what branch you're
Speaker 3: in and what the job requires, like what the hazing
Speaker 3: event is.
Speaker 5: Do you think that the Marines are more brutal than
Speaker 5: the Army, because it always seems like there's a competition
Speaker 5: between the Army and the Marines, like who is more badass?
Speaker 3: Oh, they're very much is always competition for that.
Speaker 4: We're the only two branches that have infantry units, right,
Speaker 4: We're the only two branches that currently weigh in on that.
Speaker 3: And I have my own.
Speaker 4: Personal biases, although I back mine up with supporting details
Speaker 4: and factual information. I'm not gonna talk shit on soldiers.
Speaker 4: I will say that the only time that a soldier
Speaker 4: will ever run further than two miles or shoot further
Speaker 4: than three hundred yards is if they go to ranger
Speaker 4: school or actually get real hand to hand combatives training
Speaker 4: beyond the basics of you know what you would get
Speaker 4: at the Y m c A is if you were
Speaker 4: to or ever get a swim call or anything like that.
Speaker 4: Is if they were to go to ranger school. So,
Speaker 4: by all metrics in account, a ranger tab is equivalent
Speaker 4: to an EGA. And I know a lot of soldiers
Speaker 4: in army people are gonna get upset by that.
Speaker 3: Don't get mad at me. I didn't make this's a
Speaker 3: e G.
Speaker 5: I don't understand the.
Speaker 3: Globe an anchor.
Speaker 4: That's the that's the device that you get for becoming
Speaker 4: a marine. So like you're basically trained. Admin marine gets
Speaker 4: the same level of combative training that an army ranger
Speaker 4: would get. And I know people are gonna talk shit
Speaker 4: on that, and that's fine, y'all. Y'all disagree with that
Speaker 4: all you want. I am not the first person to
Speaker 4: say this or the last. But as far as like
Speaker 4: what's more badass quote unquote again, I because I'm a marine,
Speaker 4: I have my own biases, you know.
Speaker 5: I know, man, No, I I appreciate your respect, your perspective.
Speaker 5: I have a good friend of mine. He was an
Speaker 5: Army ranger. He served in Mogid shot during a black
Speaker 5: Hawk down and oh it wasn't It wasn't good. But
Speaker 5: you know what I love about the guy. You know,
Speaker 5: he's older than me. He'll talk about it. You give
Speaker 5: him a couple of drinks and he has no problem
Speaker 5: talking about it. But some of those stories you don't
Speaker 5: want to hear. It's like it's the opposite of like,
Speaker 5: you know, like, hey, you know what happened during this that,
Speaker 5: and then you know that won't tell you or whatever,
Speaker 5: and then he will be like, oh, you want to
Speaker 5: hear about it, you know, and just different different, different genes,
Speaker 5: different blood. Man just could take it, you know. And
Speaker 5: now he's a medical doctor. He told me never, he
Speaker 5: told me never to shave my head. And this is
Speaker 5: when I was like sixteen, and you know what, you
Speaker 5: guys can edit this out. But he goes, yeah, you
Speaker 5: can see the coat hangar marks. Like what are you
Speaker 5: talking what are you talking about? He goes, yeah, this one.
Speaker 5: Your mom wanted to bort you' like what are you
Speaker 5: talking about? I didn't get it. I was fifteen. I
Speaker 5: was so stupid. But now so anyway, I will.
Speaker 4: Say the Army behaves like they are an actual military branch.
Speaker 3: The Marine Corps operates like.
Speaker 4: We are a borderline bloodthirsty death cult, and like that's okay.
Speaker 3: We we have our own we have our own ways
Speaker 3: about us, and we.
Speaker 11: Are we are we borderline well like we all like
Speaker 11: the blood No, no, bloodthirsty, yes, borderline death cult.
Speaker 3: I don't want to say that every marine has a
Speaker 3: death wish.
Speaker 5: We have the SS of the American military manes, Yeah,
Speaker 5: if you want to go that route, I'm just kidding. Man.
Speaker 3: No, no, I'm not.
Speaker 4: Saying like the racism of the Nazis, but like as
Speaker 4: far as the ss is brutality towards warfare and things.
Speaker 4: I mean, the way Marines fight wars was taken straight
Speaker 4: out of the Nazi handbook, like the entire way, and
Speaker 4: that's not even a joke. Their battlefield maneuvers and tactics,
Speaker 4: the buddy rush, the combined fire, the machine guns, like
Speaker 4: all of the things of how a Marine handles a
Speaker 4: firefight straight out of the Nazi handbook. The Army does
Speaker 4: firefights a completely different way.
Speaker 3: But there's reasons for this, right. The Army has better logistics.
Speaker 4: They have a way better system of getting more ammunition,
Speaker 4: more fuel, more supplies to their guys that are out
Speaker 4: on a patrol. The Marines, what you got is what
Speaker 4: you got, and if you run out of ammo, it
Speaker 4: sucks to be you dude that we have a different
Speaker 4: way of fighting, so like in for instance, getting fire superiority,
Speaker 4: just throwing out an example. In the army, they see
Speaker 4: this as putting more rounds down ratings than the bad guys.
Speaker 4: That's how they attain fire superiority, which I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: fight on that. That's a method of war fighting.
Speaker 3: The Marine Corps. It is not about that.
Speaker 4: It is about getting more accurate effects on target than
Speaker 4: they do. And what I mean by that is we
Speaker 4: might only fire a hammer pair, but we're putting it
Speaker 4: exactly where the fucking needs to go rather than just like, oh,
Speaker 4: you get shot at fire in that direction until they
Speaker 4: keep their heads down.
Speaker 3: Because they got more AMMO than we do.
Speaker 4: We have to be more conservationists with our ammo and
Speaker 4: with our supplies. It's we have different et those towards
Speaker 4: war fighting.
Speaker 5: Honestly, and it's it is it true with the Army,
Speaker 5: like they will get the newest stuff and then it
Speaker 5: just gets handed down to the Marines or am I
Speaker 5: exaggerating a bit?
Speaker 4: The Air Force gets the newest shit, then the Army,
Speaker 4: then the Navy, than the Coastguard.
Speaker 3: And then the Marines. Okay, he are the smallest branch.
Speaker 2: We get the least amount of funding and we are
Speaker 2: expected to do way more with way less, and we
Speaker 2: do that because we are some resourceful thieve in motherfuckers.
Speaker 3: Be honest with you, Uh, go ahead, Raven Lee.
Speaker 14: For example, in Afghanis stamps. Yeah, I would go steal
Speaker 14: parts from trucks for communications because we didn't have enough
Speaker 14: stuff to be able to replace and fix our calm stuff.
Speaker 14: So I would go to like the CBS and I
Speaker 14: would go. They'd have a whole lot full of trucks,
Speaker 14: and I would go, and my buddy actually is in
Speaker 14: the Navy, and I would He was calm, and I
Speaker 14: was like, hey, I need shit. So we would go
Speaker 14: out there and we'd raid the trucks and steal ship.
Speaker 14: The Army would leave their shit unlocked. We would go
Speaker 14: take stuff from them. The Air Force was like, here,
Speaker 14: pack some stuff for us, which was a fatal mistake.
Speaker 14: We took all their ship and replaced it with our crap,
Speaker 14: and like we would just replace our broken stuff with
Speaker 14: their with their new ship, and we would try to
Speaker 14: take as much as we could so that way, and
Speaker 14: you know, in case things broke, you know you're talking
Speaker 14: to peace, that's the size of like, you know, a
Speaker 14: half dollar and would make or break your entire communications.
Speaker 14: And if calm goes down while you're out out of
Speaker 14: the wire and you're in you know you need backup
Speaker 14: or something is happening, then you're screwed. So I would
Speaker 14: be raiding ship left and right, taking stuff from people.
Speaker 4: Yep, although we should we should change the terminology.
Speaker 3: We didn't steal anything. We're not require everything.
Speaker 14: Thank you very much, editing.
Speaker 5: I just what really. I never served, but I have
Speaker 5: the utmost respect for anybody. My father was in or
Speaker 5: my grandfather was in the Coast Guard. But what really
Speaker 5: upsessed me is like all the money that we spend,
Speaker 5: you know, and it's just like we're going over to
Speaker 5: Iraq in Afghanistan and we have unarmored you know, we're
Speaker 5: stealing equipment. It's just like, dude, we're we are the
Speaker 5: richest army in the world. It's like, where is that
Speaker 5: money going to? You know, And then you think about
Speaker 5: the deep state, you think about the black budget, you
Speaker 5: think about you know, it just upsess me. And Thenwurans
Speaker 5: are treated so the uh.
Speaker 4: The funding is going to the Air Force and they're
Speaker 4: bullshit satellites. Well, now I guess the Space Force. I
Speaker 4: should say that back when I served, there was only
Speaker 4: five branches of the military during wartime, four branches during peacetime.
Speaker 4: Coastguard is only documented as a part of the military
Speaker 4: during war time But that being said, they they Air
Speaker 4: Force got the vast majority of the funding and they
Speaker 4: got treated like they were, you know, members of a business.
Speaker 4: Then the Navy and the Army got the next two
Speaker 4: tiers of funding because they are actual branches of the military.
Speaker 4: And the Marine Corps gets treated like the pit bull, right,
Speaker 4: the fighting pit that you have that you keep chained up.
Speaker 4: You don't let people near it.
Speaker 3: You don't.
Speaker 4: You don't go out there and like take care of it,
Speaker 4: or bathe it, or you know, feed it the best things.
Speaker 4: But every so often when you need to let the
Speaker 4: chain slip and let him tear the fuck out of
Speaker 4: an intruder.
Speaker 3: That's that's what he has bred to do.
Speaker 2: That's that's what the Marine Corps is essentially built for.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Sam.
Speaker 10: On the eighth day the Lord made the Marines, and
Speaker 10: the devil ran in fear.
Speaker 4: There rare theyre But anyway, all good things, all positive things.
Speaker 3: All right. We got to get back to the chat.
Speaker 3: We're slacking in that area. We have seventy three men.
Speaker 3: We got to get through.
Speaker 4: We got the time, though, we got about an hour.
Speaker 4: Let's get after it.
Speaker 2: So Grayson said, I have a question off topic for you. Guys,
Speaker 2: raise my raise my hand. I do not want to
Speaker 2: interrupt the flow. So yeah, Grayson, I know that you're new.
Speaker 2: So basically how we go with the flow of the
Speaker 2: show is is that anybody that wants to speak, just
Speaker 2: raise your hand. Otherwise we're going to keep everybody muted
Speaker 2: because then you got too many people talking. So just
Speaker 2: everybody usually just waits until we're called upon. We try
Speaker 2: to get to everybody that raises their hand in the
Speaker 2: order that they raise their hand and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: because we want to give everybody a chance. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's usually how that goes.
Speaker 5: I apologize, it's my first time and oh no I
Speaker 5: figured it out with zoom. I'm not used to zoom.
Speaker 5: So yeah, ah, good brother.
Speaker 3: Thanks guys.
Speaker 2: Sam not Spirit Animals said, Hey Sam, sending love from
Speaker 2: East Coast to you, Sam.
Speaker 3: Love dual, Sam Love you love to see it? Oh
Speaker 3: Sam on Sam love man better than Sam on Sam Crime.
Speaker 3: That helps nobody that we don't need that? Fuck am
Speaker 3: I looking at it. Paul bro the Hot Wheel, Paul
Speaker 3: Walker Edition and Torched. That's so funcked up. I love it.
Speaker 5: Mom.
Speaker 10: She did not get she.
Speaker 3: Was It's a generational thing.
Speaker 11: You know, my mama loves Paul Walker, and I'm like, hey,
Speaker 11: he was good in Varsity Blues.
Speaker 2: He was honest, he was kind of a man actor.
Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, RP anyway, Uh, Nick.
Speaker 5: Hell out if Paul Walker. Sorry to interrupt, but I
Speaker 5: got to interrupt Running Rare. That is an awesome movie.
Speaker 5: Running Scared with Paul Walker.
Speaker 10: Even studies talking around with a sixteen year old?
Speaker 3: So are Running Scared in the movie or in real life?
Speaker 3: In I oil?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know about that.
Speaker 3: I have never heard this claim. Yeah, like, uh he was.
Speaker 11: So there was even like the Dickie was with before
Speaker 11: he died and all you go back to when they met,
Speaker 11: she was sixteen and everything, like he was giving her
Speaker 11: rides to and from school and everything.
Speaker 5: And yeah, yeah, I've never heard that. Maybe that's a
Speaker 5: TMZ thing.
Speaker 4: Right, More often than they're not, that's the fucking problem.
Speaker 4: I hate that they are journalists. There are those scumbags,
Speaker 4: but I'll be damned that they are not often more
Speaker 4: right than wrong.
Speaker 3: It's mind blowing. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I've never heard this about Paul Walker. We might have
Speaker 4: to do a little bit of research.
Speaker 11: I'll send you the stuff Jacob, all right, I'll send
Speaker 11: it over on the Patreon thing and all.
Speaker 3: Right, Electron, that's going on.
Speaker 5: With Alex Jones. I thought he was getting bankrupt sued
Speaker 5: for old Uh.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy you brought that up, because I actually
Speaker 2: I was looking on there. Usually I like to check,
Speaker 2: you know, the Info Wars side out from time to time. Dude,
Speaker 2: it's getting crazy over there literally today. Uh well you decide, sir.
Speaker 2: So if you look over here, I'm sharing the screen
Speaker 2: over at Info Wars, it says exclusive Alex Jones exposes
Speaker 2: why Owen Shroyer really quit to stage a publicity stunt
Speaker 2: and promote himself by falsely implying that he was being censored.
Speaker 2: And I was like, wait a second, Owen Shore. Owen
Speaker 2: Shore is like second in command, you know, he was
Speaker 2: like the not second in command, but like the second
Speaker 2: most popular show over there at Info Wars behind Alex right,
Speaker 2: and he'd been over there for a while, like almost
Speaker 2: a decade, Owen Troyer was, And so I was like,
Speaker 2: wait a second, ohing, God, the can that's crazy?
Speaker 5: So then I was like, Paul Watson still with him?
Speaker 5: Paul Watson's been with him forever.
Speaker 2: I honestly, I don't listen anymore, but just checking it
Speaker 2: out over here.
Speaker 3: It's uh yeah.
Speaker 2: It says this is the worst betrayal in the history
Speaker 2: of info Wars, and I was like, what the fuck
Speaker 2: is really going on? And then I went to go
Speaker 2: try and see what the other side was saying from owenside,
Speaker 2: and I did a little Wikipedia search on Owen Schroer.
Speaker 2: By the way, he has the same exact first name
Speaker 2: as me, spelled the same way. His real name is
Speaker 2: Jonathan Owen Short. I was like, oh, that's interesting and
Speaker 2: makes sense. He is a handsome lad. But I was
Speaker 2: looking into this and now, Owen Schroyer got real famous
Speaker 2: whenever he was dude. He went up for the Jan
Speaker 2: six riots, right, and he ended up getting put in
Speaker 2: jail for like a month or something like that. So
Speaker 2: I was like, man, I know he's a fucking real one.
Speaker 2: And so I went to go check out what was
Speaker 2: his side of the story. And it says this is
Speaker 2: from the Daily Beast, but a lot of other articles
Speaker 2: are also talking about it too. It says Maga Rising
Speaker 2: Star kicked off of info Wars for turning against Trump.
Speaker 2: Check this shit out, dude. So it says the MAGA conspiracy.
Speaker 2: Theorist Alex Jones has dumped far right protege Owen Schroyer
Speaker 2: from his Info Wars media empire, brutally claiming that he
Speaker 2: was too anti Trump. Listen to this, dude, this is
Speaker 2: where it starts to get a little crazy. So the
Speaker 2: right wing broadcaster admitted that he walked out mid show
Speaker 2: last Thursday after recurring clashes with Jones. Schroyer, the now
Speaker 2: former host of the War Room, spent sixty days in
Speaker 2: jail in twenty twenty three for helping to stoke the
Speaker 2: Jan six riots and was seen as one of the
Speaker 2: most powerful rising games in Magaland.
Speaker 3: It is yeah, thank you, it says Alex.
Speaker 2: Alex Schroyer said that Alex was disrupting the show. It
Speaker 2: just didn't go well. I reached my point of no return,
Speaker 2: so I walked out of the studio. I felt powerless
Speaker 2: in that moment. The only power I had was to
Speaker 2: walk off. It was a little upsetting. Alex went on
Speaker 2: and said that I had a family emergency. There was
Speaker 2: no family emergency. So Schroyer said that he wanted to
Speaker 2: announce his departure from Info war so that he could
Speaker 2: finish positively and directly address his audience about the decision.
Speaker 2: He didn't express any interest in that, Schroyer said of Jones,
Speaker 2: he told me, Alex Jones, he told me that he
Speaker 2: didn't need me, and good luck. I will not be
Speaker 2: on info Wars. I don't know if ever. Again, I
Speaker 2: was left with no choice. This is not how I
Speaker 2: wanted it to be. I did not want it to
Speaker 2: go this way. I tried everything so it wouldn't go
Speaker 2: this way. The host also revealed personal criticism that Jones
Speaker 2: had towards him, including questioning his loyalty to Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Alex is not easy to work for. And that's fine,
Speaker 2: That's okay. This is Shroyer talking. He says I'm too negative.
Speaker 2: I'm a pessimist. Whatever, I'm too anti Trump. I said, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll just take some time off. I'll just disappear. If
Speaker 2: Alex thinks that I'm too negative, then maybe he's right,
Speaker 2: Schroyer said, A said he had.
Speaker 3: Schroyer said he had a break.
Speaker 2: And came back more positive, but the problems with Jones
Speaker 2: soon flared up again. The same issues that I had
Speaker 2: started up immediately as the same issues had started up
Speaker 2: as immediately as soon as I came back. Imagine someone
Speaker 2: staring over your back. Twenty four to seven. Every single
Speaker 2: day that I came back, it was either a guest
Speaker 2: I was told I had on at the last minute,
Speaker 2: or him coming in the studio he wants me to
Speaker 2: cover this or cover that, or I have to host
Speaker 2: his show for him because he's not in. There's nothing
Speaker 2: consistent for me. I couldn't do what I wanted. So
Speaker 2: The Daily Beast contacted Alex Jones for comment. Schroyer said,
Speaker 2: and anyway, it just goes on to say, I thought
Speaker 2: that it was interesting that essentially how all this started
Speaker 2: was was because Owen Schreyer was criticizing some of the
Speaker 2: things that Donald Trump was doing and Alex Jones didn't
Speaker 2: accept that. And I'm like, wait a second, if we
Speaker 2: can't criticize everybody, this is not supposed to be. And
Speaker 2: this is kind of why we stopped Dick riding Trump
Speaker 2: right like, cause, to be honest, we kind of were
Speaker 2: there for a little minute, but we always said that
Speaker 2: he was you know, don't trust him one hundred percent
Speaker 2: because you know where he who he is and where
Speaker 2: he comes from and stuff like that. But the fact
Speaker 2: that Owen schrreyd was calling him out and saying, I
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe he was talking about the the Epstein
Speaker 2: shit or what, but he was not allowed to uh
Speaker 2: call out Trump for anything, and Alex Jones was always
Speaker 2: at his back. So now I'm looking at Alex Jones
Speaker 2: and everybody that's saying that, like, you know, Alex Jones
Speaker 2: a little bit different. Yeah he's been working out, and
Speaker 2: yeah he shaved his head and he looks like fucking
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan more and more every day. But what's interesting
Speaker 2: is is that he has shifted a lot to where
Speaker 2: he's almost become an Alex Jones h a Donald Trump
Speaker 2: dick rider. And what I thought was really interesting is
Speaker 2: is that there's an older clip and uh, you know what,
Speaker 2: let me try and actually find it. There's a clip
Speaker 2: from not even a year ago where Alex Jones is
Speaker 2: losing his mind and I don't know if this was
Speaker 2: on air or not, but he was losing his mind
Speaker 2: about Trump and he was like, yeah, it was like
Speaker 2: fucking saying fuck Trump and all this other shit. And
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, he's going through this crazy
Speaker 2: transformation and he's kicking off somebody off of his show
Speaker 2: for being anti Trump, which I thought was pretty interesting.
Speaker 3: Check this out, dude.
Speaker 19: They rolled Trump and he didn't stand up at the
Speaker 19: moment of truth. Donald Trump shit his fucking pants at
Speaker 19: the fucking moment of truth and shit all over everybody.
Speaker 19: That's my first approximation. I'm not in a fucking cult
Speaker 19: for Donald Trump. Fuck him, fuck his family, fuck all
Speaker 19: these people, all right. See I shouldn't even be live
Speaker 19: right now. When are we going on the fucking satellite?
Speaker 19: God fucking damn it, man, What the fuck answered nobody,
Speaker 19: fucking peer of this goddamn fucking world.
Speaker 12: See now I'm fucking pissed right now.
Speaker 19: Syria fought all Kia, they fought eyes as, they fought
Speaker 19: it all, and now you've got madness and fucking all
Speaker 19: these people shitting all over us, and the goddamn fucking
Speaker 19: liberal fascist censoring us everywhere. In the last two days,
Speaker 19: we did an emergency fucking six hour broadcasts trying to
Speaker 19: stop this shit that could lead to World War three,
Speaker 19: and you fucking liberal pieces of fucking shit, you.
Speaker 12: Fucking assholes fucking support this.
Speaker 19: Fuck you, you fucking god damn degenerate Fox and fucking
Speaker 19: Muller and fucking Combing.
Speaker 3: And fuck you.
Speaker 19: So every major analyst see I shouldn't even be on
Speaker 19: there right now. Every analyst agrees this could trigger World
Speaker 19: War three unlike anything in our history. And the Russians
Speaker 19: were the good guys battling Isaas and Alkaida.
Speaker 12: I am not a Russophile.
Speaker 19: I've never been to Russia, but I've studied the geopolitics.
Speaker 19: They are the White Knights and our military five years
Speaker 19: ago joining the Russians to block Obama and the Arab
Speaker 19: springing to do the right thing, did the right thing.
Speaker 19: And now Madnis and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs
Speaker 19: and Trump have shit from end to end all over it.
Speaker 3: So this is from Trump's first term because he brought
Speaker 3: up madness.
Speaker 12: And don't think they don't know.
Speaker 19: I mean, my godfast and furious was Obama shiffing guns
Speaker 19: into Mexico ship tranship.
Speaker 12: Him in the Middle East. Ben Ghazi was all about this.
Speaker 19: I am Trump was so on target everything he did.
Speaker 19: And I will leave ten percent judgment here to see
Speaker 19: what happens. My first approximation is my pledge to you
Speaker 19: is I'm gonna shoot you straight on Facebook and Twitter.
Speaker 19: And I am sick to my stomach right now. And
Speaker 19: maddis looks like a fucking Emperor Palpatine.
Speaker 12: When that cocksucker knows full fucking well.
Speaker 19: That I'll kinda an isis stage all those fucking chemical attacks,
Speaker 19: and now they're blaming it on the goddamn mother fucking ruck.
Speaker 12: I shouldn't be on there right now.
Speaker 19: When the fuck are we going live? I can't do
Speaker 19: the ship anymore. Fuck Trump and fuck these fucking people.
Speaker 5: Damn.
Speaker 3: So I don't know when come from.
Speaker 2: It seems to be from probably like twenty nineteen, twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: somewhere in there.
Speaker 3: Got a couple of small retorts. Is there nobody pure
Speaker 3: in this world? No, Alex, No, you fucking retard. For
Speaker 3: one for two, we did a thirty six hour live
Speaker 3: to try to stop this thing.
Speaker 4: Okay, real quick, my boy, Hey, hi, a guy who
Speaker 4: is on the mic for a living as well. Do
Speaker 4: you think that going live is going to save the world,
Speaker 4: Alex Jones? Is that a That's a real thought. That's
Speaker 4: a real thing that you think by broadcasting this shit,
Speaker 4: you're gonna sway public opinions so much that you're gonna
Speaker 4: alter the.
Speaker 3: Course of history.
Speaker 4: That's a real thing that you really, as a grown
Speaker 4: up believe.
Speaker 2: Wow, only reason I even bring that up is because
Speaker 2: it seemed like Alex Jones was kind of shooting it
Speaker 2: straight there for a little while. And there seems to
Speaker 2: be some kind of transition with his appearance, with his tone,
Speaker 2: with his political ideology, to where Trump can do no
Speaker 2: wrong anymore. Right, and so the and he fucking fires
Speaker 2: Owens Troyer or Owen Troyer gets up and leaves whatever
Speaker 2: the uh conversation was had, he gets up and leaves
Speaker 2: because he was too anti Trump.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just thought that was interesting. I've
Speaker 3: never even heard of this Owen guy before, but never
Speaker 3: tuned into Info Wars then.
Speaker 4: Not really, to be honest with you, I catch clips
Speaker 4: from time to time, but like you know, if I
Speaker 4: want to hear somebody just go on rants for shit
Speaker 4: that I find entertaining, or listen Tim Dillon.
Speaker 2: I actually find it almost impossible to listen to Info
Speaker 2: Wars anymore because that's what he does.
Speaker 3: He goes on like, yeah, the clips.
Speaker 2: I can't handle a fucking like a two or three
Speaker 2: hour live or anything like that fromhim anymore.
Speaker 3: It's just he's too unhinged.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's his whole stick, right, that goes off
Speaker 4: the fucking round.
Speaker 3: But I think he banks on that though.
Speaker 4: But like I for my own personal for the information
Speaker 4: that is being shared with the class, clips clips work
Speaker 4: way well then, way better anyway than a three our
Speaker 4: rant fest. And he's so up down, left right center
Speaker 4: about it it like I'm just it's not what I
Speaker 4: find to be entertaining.
Speaker 3: If he goes on Rogan again. I love those episodes.
Speaker 2: Those were great, but him by himself whenever, he's just
Speaker 2: like a dog off a leash. Bro that's there's too much.
Speaker 2: There can be such thing as too much Alex Shones.
Speaker 4: But I will say this also before you, you know,
Speaker 4: put General James mad Dog Madison's name in your mouth there, Alex.
Speaker 4: There's a reason he resigned and walked away from the
Speaker 4: White House because he was trying to do a job
Speaker 4: and Trump didn't want to do it the way that
Speaker 4: it needed to be done. So he said, I'm not
Speaker 4: going to be associated with this dog and pony show.
Speaker 3: So he walked. So James Madis knew what was going.
Speaker 4: On, Yeah he did, and he advised the president, which
Speaker 4: is his job as a Secretary of Defense, and when
Speaker 4: the President didn't listen to him, he rolled so yeah.
Speaker 2: No, madis is all about Warren Hookers and sorry, but
Speaker 2: the hookers ran out.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: He's here to you're all blood and fuck your mom
Speaker 4: and he doesn't see your mom anywhere around.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. That's what he does. He
Speaker 3: snaps checks or he snaps necks and cashes checks. That's
Speaker 3: what James mad Dog does.
Speaker 2: But anyway, he's an og spirit animal. Your thoughts on
Speaker 2: the Alex Jones rand.
Speaker 10: He needed to keep.
Speaker 11: Our patron saint of chaos the fuck out of his
Speaker 11: mouth praise. If he gonna talk about the mad Dog,
Speaker 11: he best be put all the places on his name,
Speaker 11: blessings under his name.
Speaker 10: Oh he's gonna get the knife hens that, I promise you.
Speaker 11: There's gonna be a ton of cutlets off that fat
Speaker 11: some bitch yo.
Speaker 4: I tell you what, I'm actually thinking about putting my
Speaker 4: patron saint mad Dog Madness.
Speaker 3: On the wall behind me or something. I don't know
Speaker 3: why you have it. I had in my house. I
Speaker 3: took it down. The frame fell off the wall and
Speaker 3: it broke, and he could get a new frame for it,
Speaker 3: like a big ass poster frame. But I feel like
Speaker 3: I should put it behind me right.
Speaker 10: Absolute it.
Speaker 11: Yes, I spirit animal approves one you pedal on, but no,
Speaker 11: I actually have the I have him set up like
Speaker 11: as an actual Catholic plant. I actually had it a
Speaker 11: shrine in my walllocker NBMP and everything, and my gun
Speaker 11: would subject walked in one time and it was like, Holmes,
Speaker 11: what the fuck are you doing. I'm saying the blessings
Speaker 11: to the patron saint. Leave me alone right now, going
Speaker 11: this is religious time.
Speaker 10: Back off.
Speaker 4: He was like, Jonathan, I told you that there are
Speaker 4: marines that do that. That wasn't a joke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, Honestly, the first time I went to your
Speaker 2: house and I saw that you had a whole shrine
Speaker 2: to the mad Dog with Catholic candles and crazy, I
Speaker 2: was like, is this a joke or is this for real?
Speaker 2: And and I think it's a little bit of both.
Speaker 2: Actually for me personally, it was a joke.
Speaker 4: I even had like a little bowl where I leave
Speaker 4: my I leave my tribute, you know, and and the tribute.
Speaker 3: Is my offering, if you will, is ammunition.
Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, every every so often I
Speaker 4: would drop a fresh forty five or a fresh nine
Speaker 4: mil or my thirty eight I would drop a fresh
Speaker 4: round into the bowl because Matt dog Be stated, you know,
Speaker 4: but like that was the point.
Speaker 3: It was a joke. My god, my former father in law,
Speaker 3: a very very devout Christian man, thought that I was
Speaker 3: like actually somewhat pagan and I'm like, no, dude, it's
Speaker 3: it's a Marine Corps general dressed as a Catholic saint.
Speaker 4: Clearly, this is for the laughs. Who's still alive, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: he's still alive. He married a doctor, Like he's doing great,
Speaker 4: but like he not, he is well.
Speaker 3: There was some conversation if he was the warrior Monk
Speaker 3: or if.
Speaker 4: General Dunford was the warrior Monk, and I think there's
Speaker 4: a strong case for both, to be honest with.
Speaker 10: You, Okay, who's general for dunfoed?
Speaker 4: General Dunford was the assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps
Speaker 4: while I was in He actually coined me with his
Speaker 4: acmac coin in Paris whenever he caught me stealing champagne
Speaker 4: from my boys. He thought that was good initiative, and
Speaker 4: he actually gave me a coin for it. Then he
Speaker 4: went on to become the commandant of the Marine Corps.
Speaker 4: Then he went on to become the chairman of the
Speaker 4: Joint Chiefe for a time, solid guy and by warrior monk. Yes,
Speaker 4: he was in entry by trade, so he absolutely snaps
Speaker 4: some necks and cash some checks. But he also was
Speaker 4: an extremely enlightened and very very educated individual, so there
Speaker 4: was a very strong claim to be made about him
Speaker 4: being the warrior monk and then also somebody that takes
Speaker 4: killing to a religious level, like our patron Saint mad Dog.
Speaker 4: I think there's a very strong case for both. There
Speaker 4: could be more than one war enlightened in what way
Speaker 4: do you mean warfare? Okay and mattlefield tactics, Like he
Speaker 4: could give you a breakdown synopsis of Shaka Zulu's tactics
Speaker 4: and the Bullhorns, and he could give you a breakdown
Speaker 4: with with college level astuteness about Alexander the Great's cavalry
Speaker 4: and all these things, and like breaking down war fighting
Speaker 4: to an engineering level. He was very enlightened in the
Speaker 4: ways of how to efficiently kill the enemy.
Speaker 3: It was beautiful to listen to Grayson. What are your
Speaker 3: thoughts there?
Speaker 17: So like a warrior monker almost like I like, I'm
Speaker 17: a big D and D guy, and I think almost
Speaker 17: like you know, they are, you know, night, you know.
Speaker 5: What I mean.
Speaker 17: Yeah, but I yeah, I appreciate all your insights, Jacob.
Speaker 5: I never knew that much about the Marines. I've never
Speaker 5: had that beating Marines.
Speaker 17: It's always Yeah, it's great to hear the stories and easy.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. Man.
Speaker 4: I I typically get ship for speaking on military things
Speaker 4: or veteran matters because because of just the way it
Speaker 4: shook out, I was infantry bright trade, but I never deployed,
Speaker 4: which is still my biggest life regret.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: And it wasn't by choice. I was volunteerd to go
Speaker 4: to a duty station that made me non deployable, and
Speaker 4: that's where I was for all four years, and I
Speaker 4: was stationed in d C. But Uh, a lot of
Speaker 4: people hit me in the comments like yep, Jacob speaking
Speaker 4: on things and never deployed, bup buh bop from people
Speaker 4: that never served, that had the audacity to try to
Speaker 4: speak to me or speak about me in such ways.
Speaker 4: And it's like, you know, everybody's entired of their opinion,
Speaker 4: and that's fine, but it's it is what it is.
Speaker 8: There.
Speaker 4: There's gonna be hater sipping that hater raid and uh,
Speaker 4: hater's gonna hate and Tater's gonna potate.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's easy to talk shit behind a black mirror,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the keyboard warriors are so fucking ravenous. And it's like, yeah, oh,
Speaker 4: Jacob's talking about war fighting.
Speaker 3: He never did war fighting.
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, at least I joined during wartime
Speaker 4: and chose a field where I was going to be
Speaker 4: in war. The Marine Corps decided that that's not where
Speaker 4: I was supposed to go, but that's not what I chose,
Speaker 4: and like somehow I am just talking out of my ass.
Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, well, and the thing about that
Speaker 2: is is like it wasn't even your choice, like you
Speaker 2: wanted to go over there and fucking you know, kick
Speaker 2: doors and all that shit, like that's why you signed
Speaker 2: up for the infantry. But what's interesting is that you
Speaker 2: will have people that say that it's like, dude, once
Speaker 2: you signed your name over you you don't even own
Speaker 2: your own property, Like you are the property of the government.
Speaker 2: You don't have a say so, and shit.
Speaker 4: Oh full fletched, and like, yeah, you can get a
Speaker 4: wish list and they might try to work with you
Speaker 4: to get you where you want to go. But at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, it's the needs of the
Speaker 4: Marine Corps and that's or the needs of the army
Speaker 4: or the needs of the Navy. Even if I want
Speaker 4: to go east coast and it's like you can talk
Speaker 4: to whatever, people try to shmoose your way in, but like, hey,
Speaker 4: if the West coast needs bodies and you're up, then
Speaker 4: that's just what it is. I'm very sorry, But the
Speaker 4: needs of the Marine Corps far outwaigh of the needs
Speaker 4: of you, and that's that's you know, it is what
Speaker 4: it is, and hindsight twenty twenty, it's probably for the best.
Speaker 4: I never saw combat. I didn't realize it at the time,
Speaker 4: but I was a idiot. I was a child who
Speaker 4: had stepped into a man's world and did not realize
Speaker 4: the levels that were associated with that.
Speaker 3: And it's very possible that I would have been the
Speaker 3: guy to.
Speaker 4: End up getting killed or hurt, or heaven forbid, gets
Speaker 4: someone else in my squad platoon, herd or killed.
Speaker 3: I don't know that for a fact, but I will
Speaker 3: say that I.
Speaker 4: Am of the belief that God has a plan, and
Speaker 4: whether or not we agree with it or like it,
Speaker 4: there is more going on than what we have access to,
Speaker 4: but I will say that everything does happen for a reason.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have the insights that I have if I
Speaker 4: hadn't had been stationed in Washington, D C.
Speaker 3: For all four years and seeing the dog and.
Speaker 4: Pony show and the pompacity of the bullshit that is
Speaker 4: our political system with my own eyes firsthand, right, I
Speaker 4: would have never had that insight. I've been to the
Speaker 4: Pentagon more times than I can count. I've been in
Speaker 4: and out of the White House more times than I
Speaker 4: can count. You name these things, these big buildings where
Speaker 4: all these things happen, and like we read these stories
Speaker 4: talking about conspiratorial things of like, oh, well this happened
Speaker 4: at this place, and this happened, and I at least
Speaker 4: have a little bit of insight to say, actually, that's
Speaker 4: kind of how that goes. Or wait a minute, that
Speaker 4: doesn't make any sense. I would have never had that
Speaker 4: insight had God not put me in the position in
Speaker 4: the timeframe that I was. So, whether I like it
Speaker 4: or not, that's just how things go. And I would
Speaker 4: like to think that I'm better for.
Speaker 2: It, just out of curiosity. Whenever you were stationed there,
Speaker 2: did you ever, bless you?
Speaker 3: Samuel? Did you. God damn bless you, sir.
Speaker 4: I saw you light up two blunts at the same time.
Speaker 4: You fucking double fish in that bitch, So yeah, get
Speaker 4: it out of you, dude.
Speaker 2: But just out of curiosity, whenever you were there, did
Speaker 2: you know that DC was shaped in the form of
Speaker 2: an upside down pentagram.
Speaker 4: So it's actually the Hermetic Tree of Life. There is
Speaker 4: a pentagram within it, but if you look at it
Speaker 4: the entire National Mall, it is actually the Hermetic Tree
Speaker 4: of Life. And so it's Jewish, well not, it's Cabbalistic,
Speaker 4: which makes sense whenever you realize that it was Freemasons
Speaker 4: that founded the city.
Speaker 2: But it's not necessarily even Hermetic. Then it would be
Speaker 2: the the Einsoff, I believe is what it's called. That tree,
Speaker 2: that's the Cabbalistic tree.
Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 4: But I know that they use I mean that the
Speaker 4: Nordic Pagans use the Tree of Life, and the Vadix
Speaker 4: had their own version of it, and it's basically the
Speaker 4: same image. But different things are called different things and
Speaker 4: like whatever. But to your point, did I know that
Speaker 4: before I lived there? Yes, as a matter of fact,
Speaker 4: I did. Have I ever told you about my first
Speaker 4: time in Washington, DC. I don't think so, all right,
Speaker 4: And it's uh funny how things work out, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. All Right, So I have been into
Speaker 4: conspiracies since I was young, and I mean like young young.
Speaker 4: But by the time I was able to start googling
Speaker 4: shit in middle school, I was looking up conspiracies.
Speaker 3: But it was the big picture shit, the JFK assassinations,
Speaker 3: the false flags, some of the bigger ones, the USS
Speaker 3: independence and all these fine, fine.
Speaker 2: The governmental conspiracies, which at the.
Speaker 4: Time, especially me being a middle school kid. And it's
Speaker 4: not like my parents. My mom was kind of in
Speaker 4: the conspiracy conversation, but not to the levels of what
Speaker 4: we have conversations about these days.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: My dad very much blue pill living in the bubble,
Speaker 4: and he does not want to know what's outside the bubble.
Speaker 3: He's very comfortable he's at so like. I didn't have
Speaker 3: that growing up.
Speaker 4: But when nine to eleven took place, I was, you know,
Speaker 4: an elementary school in high school. I had a buddy
Speaker 4: of mine that lived in New York and moved to Louisiana,
Speaker 4: and he was telling me about how there's a lot
Speaker 4: more went on at nine to eleven than what we know,
Speaker 4: and I was like, what the hell are you talking about, dude.
Speaker 4: So he showed me the nine to eleven Truth documentary
Speaker 4: and all these things, and that really started my brain turning.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: So, I've been into conspiracies for a very long time,
Speaker 4: and I knew that there was some some weird shit
Speaker 4: about the layout of Washington, DC my first time ever
Speaker 4: going to the city.
Speaker 3: I was actually a senior in high school. Right.
Speaker 4: My girlfriend at the time that later became my wife,
Speaker 4: who was ex wife number one.
Speaker 3: Her mom lived in DC because she worked at the.
Speaker 4: At that national level for the Veteran Affairs, right, And
Speaker 4: so during the summer she went and spent the summer
Speaker 4: with her mom, and I went up there for like
Speaker 4: a week to see DC and have a little summer vacation.
Speaker 3: One of these It was fine, you know, and.
Speaker 4: Her mom lived about two blocks away from this thing
Speaker 4: that I didn't know existed. And this is where it
Speaker 4: really all came full circle for me. It was late,
Speaker 4: not gonna say, like two in the morning behind a means,
Speaker 4: but it was, you know, it was after dark for sure,
Speaker 4: and we decided to go for a little walk and
Speaker 4: we were in a safe area of the town. I
Speaker 4: want to say, it was like around It was like northwest.
Speaker 4: I think it's been a hot minute, but anyway, and uh,
Speaker 4: we take a little walk two blocks away and I
Speaker 4: see this giant pyramid with sphinxes and giant torches out
Speaker 4: front in the middle of Washington, d C. And I'm like,
Speaker 4: what the fuck is this building? Is this is a
Speaker 4: museum of ancient Egypt. Why the hell would it be
Speaker 4: in d C? And why does it look like this? No,
Speaker 4: what I had just realized is that this is the
Speaker 4: National Grand Lodge of the Freemasons. Her mom lived two
Speaker 4: blocks away from this, and I just accidentally happened upon this.
Speaker 4: This is a grandiose structure to be in the middle
Speaker 4: of what, by all other accounts, by all other city blocks,
Speaker 4: is just a regular city.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: That started me looking into and I knew that a
Speaker 4: few of the signers of the Declaration of Independence or
Speaker 4: Freemasons and like, yeah, you know these things. But I
Speaker 4: started to look at DC a lot more critically at
Speaker 4: that time. So to answer your question, yes, when I
Speaker 4: got stationed in DC, I already knew that there was
Speaker 4: a lot of interesting features about the layout of this city.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I actually found one of the iterations of
Speaker 2: that tree that you're talking about. This is just one
Speaker 2: of the iterations. It's not the most common one or
Speaker 2: the most well known one. But this is the eyeing saft.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna look this up on DC arometic tree image
Speaker 4: and I'm a I'm anna blow your mind on this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the one that everybody's usually accustomed to.
Speaker 2: Something a little bit more along this line, shaped in
Speaker 2: that kind of way. Yeah, dude, you start looking into
Speaker 2: that like the Kabbalistic tree of life or the uh uh,
Speaker 2: the Nordic tree of life, which is called y yoursil, Yeah,
Speaker 2: y grissil however people say it, but it is, uh,
Speaker 2: it's pretty wild, dude. So yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 3: Look up Sacred geometry of Washington, DC.
Speaker 4: Look at that image. Just let me see how this
Speaker 4: tickles your fancy sacred geometry of Washington. D c uh
Speaker 4: possibly look up a tree. Let me see, um, yeah
Speaker 4: that one. No, no, no, look over a top right
Speaker 4: second from the right, that one.
Speaker 3: Oh, say, a layout of Washington.
Speaker 2: It almost looks like the the ladle spinning top thing right,
Speaker 2: the Dradel. Yeah, yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 4: But when you look at every single point on this map,
Speaker 4: it is a monument of some type. Capitol Building, Washington Monument,
Speaker 4: White House, Jefferson Memorial, Lincoln Memorial, Ewogma Memorial, Korea and
Speaker 4: Vietnam Memorial. All of these things are laid out in
Speaker 4: very strategic specific locations, and they do, in fact make
Speaker 4: this sacred geometric pattern.
Speaker 3: I don't think this is by accident, sir, dude. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it says this is another one right here.
Speaker 4: But yeah, within it they have these other images. Like absolutely,
Speaker 4: you can draw these lines any way you want.
Speaker 2: But so so what I'm saying though, it's the ups
Speaker 2: it's the inverted pentagram.
Speaker 10: M hm.
Speaker 4: So pretty interesting, David, the square encompass, Like there's there's
Speaker 4: a lot that you could make with those specifically placed monuments.
Speaker 2: Yes, which is interesting and so and only because I've
Speaker 2: been studying this kind of occult like shit, but just
Speaker 2: looking at it, so right here, at the tip of
Speaker 2: the star, you would have the White House, right, So
Speaker 2: they say that whenever the idea behind the pentagram or
Speaker 2: the inverted pentagram is that whenever you have just a
Speaker 2: regular pentagram, you have the star pointing upwards because you're
Speaker 2: trying to draw in the energy from the heavens, from
Speaker 2: the goods right, from the good side or whatever, the
Speaker 2: white or the light right.
Speaker 4: And usually whatever else is at the tip right. So
Speaker 4: depending on perspective, it might be at the top of it,
Speaker 4: or it might be at the bottom line.
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2: But usually whenever you have the pentagram pointed downward towards something,
Speaker 2: you're you know, you're it's like black magic kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: But what is interesting about this the most is that
Speaker 2: the tip of the star is pointing at the White House,
Speaker 2: almost almost to say that, like the energy from all
Speaker 2: of these different locations are uh, summoning from the White
Speaker 2: House itself. So just the symbolism you know of this, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, is it necessarily and I don't even know
Speaker 2: if I would necessarily say that it's well, you can
Speaker 2: look at that multiplying a cult. You can look at
Speaker 2: it multiple different ways, whether it's like so you have,
Speaker 2: whether it is inverted or correctly you know, the regular pentagram.
Speaker 2: It's like, I guess you could look at it both
Speaker 2: ways and have the White House down in hell where
Speaker 2: all of these other places are drawing energy from.
Speaker 3: You could really look at it both ways.
Speaker 4: I'll say that as per the orientation, the White House
Speaker 4: would be faced is towards the north side of that star.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if that even matters though in the
Speaker 2: in the symbolism as no, but that's my point.
Speaker 4: If you're looking north, the White House would be at
Speaker 4: the top of that star. If you're looking towards the south,
Speaker 4: the White House is at the bottom of that star.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how it was oriented or how they
Speaker 4: did it for this matter, because I could easily just
Speaker 4: flip this image the other way and it would be
Speaker 4: at the top. So yeah, yeah, it's pretty interesting. But
Speaker 4: like right here, I don't know, there's a lot of
Speaker 4: symbolism within the city of DC, dude, not just in
Speaker 4: the way of the streets layout, the way the buildings
Speaker 4: are constructed, the edre on the side of these well,
Speaker 4: I mean the pentagon is a five sided oct you know,
Speaker 4: pentagonal shape, So I mean, yeah, there's gonna be all
Speaker 4: kinds of symbolism within that too.
Speaker 3: We get that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you remember the owl yep? Oh who was
Speaker 2: it that brought that up? That was like a year
Speaker 2: ago or something. Like that that said that there, did
Speaker 2: you know that there's an owl in there? And we
Speaker 2: were talking about the fag to Moloch and stuff. Dude
Speaker 2: wild The symbolism is and and it does make you wonder,
Speaker 2: like what are they really representing whenever you see dual
Speaker 2: citizenship to Israel within a lot of politicians and then
Speaker 2: you got literally like all of d C very a
Speaker 2: cult like at least as far as the symbolism. You
Speaker 2: look at the dollar bill with the pyramid and the
Speaker 2: all seeing I could it be Illuminati? And it just
Speaker 2: makes you wonder the motive and what are they really
Speaker 2: trying to do here? Is it strictly and purely symbolic
Speaker 2: or is there really some extra occult shit going on.
Speaker 3: I think we know the answer to that.
Speaker 4: I think it's both the dual citizenship to Israel thing
Speaker 4: that has nothing to do with the layout of Washington, DC.
Speaker 4: You gotta keep in mind, Israel only became a nation
Speaker 4: nineteen forty eight. DC was redesigned and redrawn after it
Speaker 4: was burned to the ground in the War of eighteen twelve.
Speaker 4: Right eighteen fourteen, DC was burned to the ground with
Speaker 4: the exception of one building, and that was the marine
Speaker 4: Barricks that I was stationed.
Speaker 2: The only reason I say that is because you mentioned
Speaker 2: about how it could be the Kabbalistic tree, which is
Speaker 2: Jewish mysticism.
Speaker 4: It is, it is, but that's because the founders were Freemasons,
Speaker 4: and without the Kabbala, what is freemasonry, right, Alfred Pike.
Speaker 3: So that's that's what I'm saying with that, It wasn't Israeli.
Speaker 3: It was the occult and mystic side, mysticism in general. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: But it's act, like you said, Illuminati Freemasons at that
Speaker 4: time when America was found in seventeen seventy six, that's
Speaker 4: when the Illuminati was formed, and it was formed in
Speaker 4: what we would now call Germany. Right later in the
Speaker 4: eighteen hundreds, there was a melding together of the two,
Speaker 4: and that was a different conversation. But again that was
Speaker 4: after DC was already laid out. But a lot of
Speaker 4: the Illuminati symbolism took its notes from Freemasonry because free
Speaker 4: Masonry predated it by a few centuries, right, a good
Speaker 4: few centuries. So it's you know, it's it's kind of
Speaker 4: like saying, how can I put this?
Speaker 2: Well, because the Illuminati was like Bavarian or something like that.
Speaker 2: Wasn't it Bavarian? And that's that's what we would now
Speaker 2: call Germany, right, But that's my point. It was the
Speaker 2: Illuminati was founded by a dude who was not allowed
Speaker 2: to become a Freemason, so he decided to start his
Speaker 2: own clique and said, you know what, fuck y'all, we're
Speaker 2: even better than you.
Speaker 3: If I can't be a part of it, then I'm
Speaker 3: gonna start my own. But bye bye.
Speaker 4: Cut two years later, the Illuminati was outlawed and a
Speaker 4: lot of the members ended up become members of Freemasonry
Speaker 4: because they knew that they could hold secrets, they knew
Speaker 4: that they were of the enlightened variety, all these things,
Speaker 4: and they brought a lot of their own knowledge into
Speaker 4: the Freemasons. And there was a melding together of the
Speaker 4: two in the early to mid eighteen hundreds. But again
Speaker 4: d C was already structured and laid out by that time,
Speaker 4: way more Freemason influenced than Illuminati. But at a certain
Speaker 4: point you cannot really separate one from the other.
Speaker 2: Hard to distinguish the two, really, Yeah, especially as time
Speaker 2: goes on. You know, could they have melted together and
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: Because they were all working with Eastern and Western occult
Speaker 4: practices and melding them together to find their own meaning
Speaker 4: behind it for their own occult rituals, both Freemasons and Illuminatis,
Speaker 4: and so it was, you know, they at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, it's kind of the same jam. So
Speaker 4: they just kind of meld them together and made a
Speaker 4: new thing. And later on the Shriners became a thing,
Speaker 4: and the York and the Scottish Rite and all these things,
Speaker 4: And which is also why they believe that the city
Speaker 4: of DC is also called the Crescent City Crescent as
Speaker 4: in the Shriner symbol.
Speaker 3: Right, there's levels well, New Orleans called that too. New
Speaker 3: Orleans is called that too.
Speaker 4: It is, And there's a lot of people that believe
Speaker 4: that New Orleans was a Shriner based city as well.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I hear you do.
Speaker 4: But Freemasons weren't really a part of the founding of
Speaker 4: the city of New Orleans.
Speaker 11: Like that.
Speaker 4: New Orleans is a systemically Catholic town, and the Catholics
Speaker 4: and the Freemasons have a lot of beef against each other.
Speaker 2: That's you know, you know, yeah, take it back out
Speaker 2: of the chat Nick sent this damn near two hours ago.
Speaker 2: This was in reference to the day the Earth stood still.
Speaker 2: The quote is, and he sent the YouTube link to
Speaker 2: but the quote is you say we are on the
Speaker 2: brink of destruction, and you are right. But it is
Speaker 2: only on the brink that people find the will to change,
Speaker 2: only on the precipice that we evolved. This is our moment.
Speaker 2: Don't take that from us. We are close to an answer.
Speaker 2: Class Yeah, Rose Queos said, I seriously believe there is
Speaker 2: so much more to this Earth and the universe as
Speaker 2: a whole, far more complex than we can even begin
Speaker 2: to understand. I do think it's honestly weird to not
Speaker 2: believe that there is life beyond Earth. My sister and
Speaker 2: I have had this debate. I told her God is
Speaker 2: basically an estraterrestrial. He isn't from Earth, so God is
Speaker 2: an alien. Sorry, I am sleep deprived.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've heard that argument before, and I guess
Speaker 4: by definition that is a correct statement.
Speaker 2: I actually said, I believe that God's a schizophrenic personally.
Speaker 2: Why do you say that because he has four point
Speaker 2: six billion personalities and they all think.
Speaker 3: That they're real. Oh my god.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 3: Anyway, moving on, Samuel, Well, I.
Speaker 10: When I was younger, I this is gonna be I
Speaker 10: don't mean to say this as a basm.
Speaker 11: Or anything, but when I was young, I kind of
Speaker 11: thought it, Well, that guy was prob he's schizophrenic because
Speaker 11: he says that there's only one God but he's three people,
Speaker 11: which I was like, that was me trying to figure
Speaker 11: out the trinity and I went about it the wrong way.
Speaker 11: But God, God says homosexualty's abomination, but he put the
Speaker 11: mal g spot in the ass. And he says that
Speaker 11: the most beautiful creation was the angel Semio later known
Speaker 11: as Oh for the sun of the morning. Yeah, God, God,
Speaker 11: God said that described Semao as the most beautiful thing
Speaker 11: in existence, And I was like, so is God gay?
Speaker 10: But then I was like, no, that's blasted me.
Speaker 11: And then I've said God, will please forgive me for
Speaker 11: the I please forgive me?
Speaker 2: And then yeah, and I like, how you know you
Speaker 2: would have you could really look at it at a
Speaker 2: multitude of way. Is is he a schizophrenic or is
Speaker 2: he multi dimensional?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: And it's it obviously makes more sense.
Speaker 2: That he would be multi dimensional or whatever, right, and
Speaker 2: less schizophrenic because those people need to be put in
Speaker 2: padded rooms.
Speaker 10: I think God would be.
Speaker 11: I think that heaven is like a fourth dimension, and
Speaker 11: I think that that God created everything. He's outside of
Speaker 11: the dimensions or whatever. But I think that when we die,
Speaker 11: like heaven is where it's the good place obviously. Well,
Speaker 11: I think that it's all at the end, it's all
Speaker 11: going to become one, and it all came out of
Speaker 11: the void that is God.
Speaker 3: I agree, you know.
Speaker 2: And as far as like the whole schizophrenic thing, dude,
Speaker 2: I did an episode on Meta Mysteries about schizophrenics, and
Speaker 2: I think that there's actually more going on there than
Speaker 2: just craziness.
Speaker 3: So it depends on the person. It's very case by case,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: I mean there are some that like are actually like
Speaker 4: really out of their fucking minds, and then there are
Speaker 4: those that they just perceive the world in a way
Speaker 4: different way and it's not necessarily wrong, but it's not
Speaker 4: necessarily right.
Speaker 3: It's just, yeah, something case by case.
Speaker 2: It's just multiple personalities, and you know, and I don't
Speaker 2: know whether you think that you're receiving some kind of
Speaker 2: message from the spirit world or something like that, Like
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's that's the way I go with it, Like,
Speaker 2: could it be that these people are essentially multiple souls
Speaker 2: in one people.
Speaker 3: That's where you get real weird.
Speaker 4: I mean, but you're not supposed to, like your average
Speaker 4: person shouldn't be hearing multiple voices in their head. That's
Speaker 4: that's not a positive thing.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but you say that whenever you talk
Speaker 2: to God that you hear another voice that's not yours.
Speaker 2: So you're kind of schizophrenic in that sense if you
Speaker 2: look at it through that lens.
Speaker 4: But it's not well in that sense. I would say,
Speaker 4: it's not within my head. My ears hear it, but
Speaker 4: that's just my you're actual your your ears either that
Speaker 4: your physical ears hear it. Interesting, Samuel, go ahead, sir,
Speaker 4: you're over there about to have a fucking stroke, raising your.
Speaker 3: Hand, sir.
Speaker 8: Two one.
Speaker 10: The thing that you hear is like in your head.
Speaker 11: Is it like you speaking, but it instead of your
Speaker 11: voice coming out of vobial it's the same language, like
Speaker 11: same volume. You can't yell, you can't wish, feel it,
Speaker 11: but your ears it's as if your ears registered, but
Speaker 11: it's all in your head.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I mean I know what my internal
Speaker 4: dialogue voice sounds like for sure. You know, and that
Speaker 4: that is there and I've made the joke before. Off, Like, look,
Speaker 4: I got three voices bouncing around in there. Two of
Speaker 4: them are fighting it out, and one of them is
Speaker 4: just trying to find where the fucking smoking section is.
Speaker 3: Like I've I've made these jokes before.
Speaker 10: Okay, and my I'm sorry to cut you off.
Speaker 11: But my second thing is did because I kind of
Speaker 11: feel guilty right now because I said what I said
Speaker 11: when I was young and everything.
Speaker 5: Is that a blasphemy?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: But also God has a sense of humor. He simply
Speaker 4: must look at the platypus, what about me? I meant
Speaker 4: the actual animal, not the spirit animal. But yeah, no,
Speaker 4: even He's just said humor is a powerful tool and
Speaker 4: we should use it, so.
Speaker 3: Don't worry about it.
Speaker 11: I've become a lot more intrinsic, like devoted than I
Speaker 11: was back then, so I'm kind of don't want to
Speaker 11: damn my soul.
Speaker 3: Oh you're not.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even trip about that. I mean, because here's
Speaker 2: the deal. It's not just about what you say. It's
Speaker 2: also your thoughts. I mean, if God can hear even
Speaker 2: your thoughts, then we're all going to hell. Bro, Like,
Speaker 2: if he's judging the thoughts in that way.
Speaker 3: Look, questioning the situation is not inherently blaspheming, right, It's
Speaker 3: about the spirit behind it. It's about your intention. Are
Speaker 3: you saying, like you said, is God gay? Are you
Speaker 3: saying that because you're like, you know what, fuck him?
Speaker 4: He must be a remember, and you're saying all these
Speaker 4: horrible shit because you're angry at God? Or are you
Speaker 4: just kind of questioning it because you're a human being
Speaker 4: in your mind happened to wander into that direction one day.
Speaker 4: It's a different intent, it's different spirit behind it.
Speaker 11: Well, at the same time I was, I was, and
Speaker 11: I stopped going to touch, I quit being a youth,
Speaker 11: passed and everything, and I just I kind of fell
Speaker 11: out of it.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, everybody has their trials and tribulations.
Speaker 4: Bro, life is a journey, and every day you wake
Speaker 4: up you have another opportunity to do better today than
Speaker 4: you did yesterday to whatever that might mean to you, right,
Speaker 4: if that means your relationship with God, or that means
Speaker 4: your relationship with your spouse, whatever the case is. If
Speaker 4: you woke up this morning and you're currently drawing breath,
Speaker 4: you still have time to make the change that.
Speaker 3: Need to be made in other News.
Speaker 2: The Penguin Spanker said, unpopular opinion, fat bitches are the best.
Speaker 3: They okay, let's go into it. They have more, more.
Speaker 2: Cushion for the pushing and give the best head. Never
Speaker 2: have I ever had head to remember from a skinny,
Speaker 2: petite woman under one hundred and eighty pounds climbing mountains
Speaker 2: till the day I die.
Speaker 3: Good on you, sir, I'm no lie, said, I can't
Speaker 3: find a lie detected in that statement. Damn, that's that's obviously.
Speaker 3: You know, there are exceptions to the rule, but there
Speaker 3: are always as exceptions. That's not like a wall struck down.
Speaker 4: But like you know, and I don't know about under
Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty pounds, I think there is a
Speaker 4: height to weight to proportions ratio that should be considered on.
Speaker 2: That and your five foot nothing. You know, you're four
Speaker 2: foot eight, one hundred and eighty pounds.
Speaker 4: That's a different conversation, right right, Five ten is a
Speaker 4: whole lot different than five to one.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. There's levels to this, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Mikayla said.
Speaker 2: The more I learned about space, the more I can't
Speaker 2: help but think that it all sounds really made up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sounds about interesting. Said it used to scare the shit
Speaker 2: out of me as a kid. I've listened to a
Speaker 2: lot of theory supporting both sides, and I really don't
Speaker 2: know if I'm one hundred percent either way, nuff said.
Speaker 2: Steph said, it's okay to sit on the fence. It's
Speaker 2: nice being uh, it's nice being about to It's nice
Speaker 2: to appreciate both perspectives and call out the bullshit too.
Speaker 2: Mikayla said, I really love hearing both sides. I accidentally
Speaker 2: slipped down the flat Earth rabbit hole, but it really
Speaker 2: opened up my mind a ton and it's all very fast.
Speaker 2: But now as I homeschool my kids about space, it
Speaker 2: feels weird teaching them the main narrative while I still
Speaker 2: have a ton of questions myself.
Speaker 4: Make understand that, you know, we don't know everything, but
Speaker 4: you do at least need to teach them what they
Speaker 4: need to know to pass the test.
Speaker 3: Good on you for homeschooling, by the way, that's that's
Speaker 3: a task.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 3: Good for you. You have the patience of a thousand.
Speaker 14: Well sometimes most of the time I try. You know,
Speaker 14: it's not perfect.
Speaker 2: Every day, but I hear you can actually knock all
Speaker 2: that all that school work out in like three hours.
Speaker 2: My sister was doing it for the past year with
Speaker 2: her oldest and it's like she's like, yo, I can
Speaker 2: get all this shit done in like three hours.
Speaker 3: Why the fuck are kids in school for eight for real?
Speaker 20: I mean my oldest is first grade. It's like pre
Speaker 20: K through first grade, so like it's pretty basic stuff.
Speaker 20: So I'm not teaching them anything super crazy like reading, writing, handwriting,
Speaker 20: you know.
Speaker 14: But yeah, I say, like.
Speaker 20: Two hours, like and I get to sit down individually
Speaker 20: with each of them and still have group work and
Speaker 20: then yeah, and you can turn anything into a lesson.
Speaker 2: So and you may as well do it anyway because
Speaker 2: you think about it, like, I mean, anybody that can obviously,
Speaker 2: but if you think about it, dude, my daughter by
Speaker 2: my last year that I was living in Louisiana, so
Speaker 2: like a year and a half ago, we would have
Speaker 2: her and she would come home with I shit, you
Speaker 2: not two or three hours worth of homework? So why
Speaker 2: are we having two or three hours worth of homework
Speaker 2: on top of eight hours worth of school? Whenever you
Speaker 2: can get all that banged out in two or three
Speaker 2: hours with homeschooling.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 14: Oh yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 3: I have waged war against the fucking school board for this.
Speaker 3: Homework is bullshit. It is aside from okay, you got a.
Speaker 4: Project that like maybe wants a term or wants a
Speaker 4: quarter or whatever the case. They have like a project
Speaker 4: that they need to do at home and then bring
Speaker 4: in and present. Okay, well I could fuck with you
Speaker 4: on this.
Speaker 3: You're working on over the course of a month or
Speaker 3: two months or something like that.
Speaker 4: But every fucking day coming home to have an hour
Speaker 4: or two's worth of homework Like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I got active ass kids, and I would argue.
Speaker 4: That they're enrichment aka the sports and activities, the extracurriculars
Speaker 4: that they're involved in are.
Speaker 3: As important as their schoolwork.
Speaker 4: So you, mister and miss teaching lady and man in
Speaker 4: person whatever the fuck that can't do your job in
Speaker 4: the allotted amount of time does not constitute you taking
Speaker 4: my time away for that purpose. When I was an electrician,
Speaker 4: that would be like me going home and rewiring up
Speaker 4: something that I didn't have time to finish while I
Speaker 4: was at work. Sounds like I need to do better
Speaker 4: time management, bro. I agree, it's bullshit, but anyway, yeah,
Speaker 4: uh that it's for the extra practice.
Speaker 3: It sounds like you need to be a more effective teacher.
Speaker 17: Then.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Actually, what I hear is so one of my friends
Speaker 2: he sends his kids to this private school. It's like
Speaker 2: a Christian private school, right, and he said that he
Speaker 2: loves the format of the way they do it over there,
Speaker 2: because they don't have, you know, all seven or eight
Speaker 2: classes every single day. They'll divide it like three classes
Speaker 2: this semester, three classes the next semester, And that way
Speaker 2: you're not having to come home and do all this
Speaker 2: extra homework because you already spent two hours in the
Speaker 2: classroom on that subject.
Speaker 4: That's how it was for us in high school. Dude,
Speaker 4: half the year was four classes. The other half the
Speaker 4: year was the other four classes. It was fucking excellent.
Speaker 14: You know.
Speaker 2: That didn't start until the year after I graduated.
Speaker 3: I'm pissed, really. I was at santaml for years and
Speaker 3: years before I got there. Well, I went to Dutchtown
Speaker 3: so school for rejects over there.
Speaker 2: Dude, spirit Animal said, if I have a son, I'm
Speaker 2: naming him Crowley or Romulus or Remus, perhaps not Crowley.
Speaker 4: If you're gonna go Romulus and Remus. I personally would
Speaker 4: go Romulus Remus got killed, stung it out. Do what
Speaker 4: you want with that information, said, If I have a daughter,
Speaker 4: Artemis or Cordelia, middle name cenis after my great grandma Samuel.
Speaker 4: Samuel equals God has heard interesting.
Speaker 10: M God, which oh funny enough. My dad actually had
Speaker 10: me wrote up as twins.
Speaker 8: Oh.
Speaker 11: He had to h burst certificates with drew up for
Speaker 11: me because he didn't light the way that it's felt one.
Speaker 10: That's the story my dad told me.
Speaker 11: My mom also said that she chose the way my
Speaker 11: name is felt and everything because she wanted it to
Speaker 11: be different. But uh, I came out like almost a
Speaker 11: month pretty mauch.
Speaker 5: Sure.
Speaker 11: They got in a car, work and everything, and my
Speaker 11: really cool cold wrapped around my neck.
Speaker 10: So I was a miracle baby.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I dude, white boy wizard said, my ex
Speaker 2: wife changed her mind at the very last minute. She said,
Speaker 2: I want to name him after you instead, which was
Speaker 2: something I never brought up. I'll always be grateful to
Speaker 2: her for that.
Speaker 3: One.
Speaker 2: Dude, to have a junior, that's awesome, Jacob, you got
Speaker 2: one of those. No, I don't have this, it's not
Speaker 2: a junior. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought Junior would be
Speaker 2: too redneck. No shade to the juniors out there, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I have u.
Speaker 4: I named him Jacob moop Se because I thought that'd
Speaker 4: be a little more regal. Plus, if it's possible for
Speaker 4: me to pass down my noble title to him, it
Speaker 4: sounds better that way.
Speaker 3: And so do you ever call him deuce?
Speaker 4: I dude, I was thinking like I would want to
Speaker 4: call him the nickname of the deuce, But the problem
Speaker 4: is a duce could also mean a shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, ah, fuck, okay, fine,
Speaker 3: but uh, I mean, like Jacob is that much better
Speaker 3: because you got Jacob's ladders? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well true, and we actually have a Jacob's ladder. As
Speaker 4: a matter of fact, we have oh not the piercings.
Speaker 3: The toy.
Speaker 4: Oh god, okay, wow wow, Yeah, contact matters on that one.
Speaker 4: There's a wooden toy with ribbons that is a Jacob's ladder,
Speaker 4: and we have a few of them in the house
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's that.
Speaker 4: Then there was Piercings that was created by a bunch
Speaker 4: of freaky, deaky motherfuckers, and I don't know how the
Speaker 4: hell that got associated with Jacob's ladder.
Speaker 3: But sure enough it's a.
Speaker 2: Thing, a piercing all the way up your dick. Like
Speaker 2: that's that's madness.
Speaker 4: I cannot imagine that that feels good in practical use.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe the spirit animal knows what's your thoughts there
Speaker 2: on that the Jacob's ladder, and tell me you have that, please,
Speaker 2: I do not, though I will.
Speaker 3: I'll pay for it.
Speaker 5: You get it.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, he's thinking about it. He took a second.
Speaker 3: He took a second to think about it.
Speaker 2: Bro' No, no, I don't even need proof. You don't
Speaker 2: need to show me a picture. But you know, once
Speaker 2: I see that you have ice on your nuts, I'll
Speaker 2: know I'd cry. I'd cry, Yeah, yeah, I probably would.
Speaker 4: I just I feel like that's asking for something to
Speaker 4: get stretched in a way it's not supposed to get stretched.
Speaker 11: You know. The the reason why it's called that is
Speaker 11: because when you when it, the fattest is right, because
Speaker 11: it would be big, it would go up and then
Speaker 11: it would go into smaller.
Speaker 10: It looks like it's going on in ascending to the heavens.
Speaker 3: Dude, what happens?
Speaker 2: What happens whenever you get a Jacob's Ladder? Piercing, and
Speaker 2: you go out and it's snowing outside. It's stretching it
Speaker 2: out in ways that it shouldn't be stretched out.
Speaker 3: You mean condensing it together?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you just have You'll just hear some
Speaker 4: some tinks happening, and then, uh, I guess perhaps the
Speaker 4: metali agitate itself and you might end up enjoying it.
Speaker 3: I don't fucking know.
Speaker 10: Depending on how coda gets, you could lose it to
Speaker 10: FoST bite.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's metal in your dick. That makes you more
Speaker 4: susceptible to frostbite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, imagine you get that metal and your dick,
Speaker 2: and you know you're with your lady who has feelings
Speaker 2: in her mouth.
Speaker 4: Probably he and that tink tink might feel a little different.
Speaker 4: I'm at an old guy of job site, Pops. I
Speaker 4: doubt he's listening with God. If you're listening out there,
Speaker 4: love you to death. You should call me sometime.
Speaker 3: This old man had a dick.
Speaker 4: Piercing and he was very very proud about that, and
Speaker 4: it was at towards the top, but it actually was
Speaker 4: a bar and there was a slit to where the
Speaker 4: bar could go up and down like slide, not far,
Speaker 4: but just about a solid inch. And I'm like, Pops, why,
Speaker 4: He's like, because, man, you can put you a ring
Speaker 4: right here and right here on your fingers and it
Speaker 4: agitates the shit out of that motherfucker boy, let me
Speaker 4: tell you. And I jack off way more now I
Speaker 4: get pushes.
Speaker 3: So that was that of a piercing for me.
Speaker 5: I did that for me.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, Pops, what the fuck, dude, is this
Speaker 3: for real? This is real life right now?
Speaker 4: Oh, I swear to God so and I wouldn't lie
Speaker 4: about something stuck in my dick. And I'm like, I
Speaker 4: believe you, but like, what the fuck?
Speaker 11: He's like?
Speaker 4: If you ever see you'll see it a lot in
Speaker 4: a skateboard culture as well. If you ever see a
Speaker 4: man walking around and he has a ring on both
Speaker 4: of these knuckles on his pointer finger, you bet your
Speaker 4: ass you'd got.
Speaker 3: A friendle them piercing. That's a I don't know if
Speaker 3: that's a correct term for it, but he used some
Speaker 3: term that I'd never heard before. That's the one. Damn.
Speaker 3: I do have a dec NB. Yeah, and apparently that
Speaker 3: is a thing.
Speaker 4: And uh, you get a metal bar just rocking when
Speaker 4: you when you're getting after and apparently it uh, it
Speaker 4: does it for some people.
Speaker 3: I'm willing to just take his word for that. I
Speaker 3: shown up am Pops was he was a real one.
Speaker 3: He was some might say the realist, you know.
Speaker 2: Michayla said, uh, naming your kids after Packers, those poor
Speaker 2: kiddos hashtag dumbars.
Speaker 8: Nah.
Speaker 2: White Boy Wizard said, oh, you're one of those, even
Speaker 2: worse than me. She goes loud and crowd Sir. White
Speaker 2: Boy Wizard says, go hawks, referring to the Seahawks. Spirit
Speaker 2: Animals said, roll tied. Nobody was talking about college football.
Speaker 3: By nobody was talking about the fucking Tide.
Speaker 2: Sam so funny dirty Sanchez Uh. San Jez said, name
Speaker 2: my son, Nicholas chame caim uh because how badass is Oh?
Speaker 3: Like chain? Okay, chain nice?
Speaker 2: Imagine my whrror when I heard a Jewish person info
Speaker 2: me that it was Chi. I'm with am with the
Speaker 2: phlem oh like him, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Nicholas, hi Am. It's like no chain and
Speaker 3: it's like no I I am. It's like, oh fuck.
Speaker 2: Spirit Animal said, everyone knows that America's favorite is.
Speaker 3: The Devil Dogs. This is a fact.
Speaker 2: Let's see, he said, we stray further from God every day.
Speaker 2: The guy that kept bothering me in b MP, I
Speaker 2: sewed him back. I sewed him into his rack. Then
Speaker 2: I beat him with the sock with soap. He didn't
Speaker 2: pick on me anymore.
Speaker 3: I feel like these are being that fast. It's sewing.
Speaker 3: Holy shit.
Speaker 2: I feel like these are stories that are easily said
Speaker 2: whenever the other party is not around.
Speaker 3: Samuel I so so I he pissed me off and
Speaker 3: his ship was.
Speaker 10: He passed me off about two weeks straight and I
Speaker 10: finally had enough of it. So I waited till he
Speaker 10: passed out.
Speaker 11: I fucking crawled under my I got out of my rack,
Speaker 11: had my song kit, put it in my mouth, and
Speaker 11: I cralled. I bet he crawed under the rack about
Speaker 11: four sets of racks, and then I I literally sewed
Speaker 11: him his sheets.
Speaker 10: To his rack while he was in them, and then
Speaker 10: I beat him with with with the sock.
Speaker 3: See what we did our dry shower wing.
Speaker 4: That dude happened to be on the top bunk, so
Speaker 4: we were just able to grab his sheets and like
Speaker 4: hold him down in that way.
Speaker 3: But show show that more than one way to skin
Speaker 3: a cat, as they.
Speaker 10: Say, to the point, I hated him, and your boy
Speaker 10: has time on his hands.
Speaker 3: It'd be like that spirit animal you posted.
Speaker 2: This is actually interesting because he he asked the Internet
Speaker 2: about Paul Walker's girlfriend and it said her name was
Speaker 2: Jasmine Pilchered Gosnel. So it says Paul Walker's girlfriend at
Speaker 2: the time of his death was Jasmine Pilchered Gosnel. According
Speaker 2: to reports, she was twenty three when Walker died in
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, and they had begun dating for They had
Speaker 2: been dating for seven years, meaning that she would have
Speaker 2: been sixteen when their relationship began and he would have
Speaker 2: been thirty three. Oh fuck, So do you remember that
Speaker 2: they said all the reports that are like, yeah, they
Speaker 2: killed Paul Walker because he was about to expose all
Speaker 2: the pedophilia and all that shit in Hollywood. It's like,
Speaker 2: motherfucker was a pedophile himself. Dang thirty three and sixteen. Bro,
Speaker 2: I'm thirty five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, you learned something new every day. Fuck Paul Walker, dude, dude,
Speaker 3: same thing goes for oh, what's his name? Seinfeld? Jerry Seinfeld?
Speaker 2: Seinfeld was dating dude. He's let me find out. I
Speaker 2: believe she was even younger than sixteen.
Speaker 3: Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 4: Hold on when you told him when he was filming,
Speaker 4: when he was like a stand up comic, Like, what
Speaker 4: are you talking about here?
Speaker 2: Like his current wife was a lot younger than him
Speaker 2: whenever they first start dating. I'm going to figure out
Speaker 2: the exact.
Speaker 4: Date, Jerry Seinfeld, pedophile. Just put that into the AIQ
Speaker 4: and see what comes up.
Speaker 3: I believe he married her. Oh that makes it less bad,
Speaker 3: but still bad.
Speaker 2: So Jerry Seinfeld is eighty three, his wife is fifty three,
Speaker 2: so it's a thirty year difference.
Speaker 3: But how old was she when they started dating? That's
Speaker 3: the question when they started dad.
Speaker 4: Because if he was fifty three when they started and
Speaker 4: she was, yeah, she was twenty three, then like that's
Speaker 4: that's okay. It's definitely outside of the realm of the
Speaker 4: creep method for anybody who doesn't know the youngest age
Speaker 4: that you are allowed to date, and it not be okay,
Speaker 4: and it's it's not considered creepy.
Speaker 3: Take your age cut in half at seven, okay. Sorry.
Speaker 2: So the woman that he's with now is not the
Speaker 2: same one that I'm referring to, so which even still
Speaker 2: he likes him younger. But whenever they started dating she
Speaker 2: was twenty six. Okay, okay, but it does say that
Speaker 2: he had his girlfriend when they met, he was thirty
Speaker 2: nine and he was dating a seventeen year old, So
Speaker 2: that's even worse. Actually, seventeen is right there on that border, dude,
Speaker 2: But everybody's considered nine though, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I still consider it unacceptable behavior.
Speaker 2: So still a twenty two year difference between him and
Speaker 2: his ex girlfriend and a thirty year difference between him
Speaker 2: and his now wife.
Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, that's that's fucked now. Seventeen was she like
Speaker 4: a few weeks away from turning eighteen. That doesn't make
Speaker 4: it that much better. But I mean, you know, at
Speaker 4: least there's a little bit of some leeway. But god damn, dude,
Speaker 4: that's now with that kind of age gap, though it's not,
Speaker 4: the age gap negates the leeway that there possibly could be.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it says Jerry Seinfeld's wife Jessica met in a
Speaker 2: pretty controversial way. You know what, Well, you know, we'll
Speaker 2: probably do an episode on that. We don't have time.
Speaker 3: I want to get to some some of the rest
Speaker 3: of these comments before we wrap it up. FU Paul Walker, though, Yeah.
Speaker 2: For sure, uh, white boy Wizard said, mine means tumult
Speaker 2: or to riot talking about his name nice ways in
Speaker 2: persuasion or the spirit animal or the conspiracy platypus or
Speaker 2: Samuel said in eighteen fourteen, we took a little trip
Speaker 2: along the Colonel Jackson down the Mighty Mississip.
Speaker 3: We took a little bacon, and we took the.
Speaker 4: Beans, and we fought the bloody bridge in the town
Speaker 4: in New Orleans. Oh yeah, that's a that's a classic.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I didn't know that one.
Speaker 8: You'll welcome.
Speaker 10: I'm giving you a little bit of a Southern coach
Speaker 10: and bubble.
Speaker 3: You know that song, Jonathan no in nineteen fourteen along
Speaker 3: with Barne Jackson, Down the Mine and Mississip. You never
Speaker 3: heard this song.
Speaker 2: I can't say I have, sir, Damn, I'm not. I
Speaker 2: wasn't raised in the South. Okay, that's fair, That's not
Speaker 2: my thing. God is Love said so Paul Walker was
Speaker 2: a regular, uh Nick Pedo fed Fluentes. We're going to
Speaker 2: Capitol Hill then marrying a sixteen year old dude.
Speaker 3: Getting some flak for the Nick Flintes comment that was made.
Speaker 5: Come at me.
Speaker 4: There's been a few people that you wish you were
Speaker 4: big enough to actually come at Nick flint as.
Speaker 3: Y'all are so off base. You don't know what he's
Speaker 3: talking about. And it's like, oh, he absolutely dog walked
Speaker 3: Candace in that interview. Don I'm like, that is a
Speaker 3: bold statement to make, Nick twines Candace still come at
Speaker 3: me and get these hands. Brother, Yeah, he's annoying.
Speaker 15: Uh.
Speaker 2: Nick Foyn says is known to identify as an in cell,
Speaker 2: which means he claims to be involuntarily celibate and does
Speaker 2: not have a girlfriend.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, orvel We've talked about that before.
Speaker 4: In cell culture, they have like a actual hatred of
Speaker 4: women because women find them repulsive. But they only find
Speaker 4: them repulsive because they act like fucking in cells.
Speaker 3: Dude. Hold up.
Speaker 2: He has made controversial statements about relationships and marriage, including
Speaker 2: expressing a preference for marrying very young women. How young
Speaker 2: are we talking about here, NICKI.
Speaker 3: Just said it.
Speaker 4: God has love said he said everyone should marry sixteen
Speaker 4: year olds when you're at least thirty plus. Okay, So
Speaker 4: once again, I'm sorry Nick Flint, as you some of
Speaker 4: the things you say might be, you know, objectively true,
Speaker 4: but there's a lot of things that you say that
Speaker 4: have put you in the position that you're in right now.
Speaker 3: I don't exactly have sympathy for you, dude, Yeah, dude,
Speaker 3: I mean you want to.
Speaker 2: I know that the term white supremacist gets thrown at
Speaker 2: around a lot nowadays, but no, he is. He actually is.
Speaker 2: So that's the that's the problem I got for pieces
Speaker 2: of shit like him. And also he had a recent
Speaker 2: quote that said, uh, I totally see myself accidentally killing
Speaker 2: my wife, so uh yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I don't like the fucking guy.
Speaker 2: If I ever saw him, I would I would ask
Speaker 2: him to catch these hands. Personally, I don't like his cocky,
Speaker 2: fucking attitude. I don't like that he's he thinks that
Speaker 2: he's no at all. I don't like that he dude,
Speaker 2: he speaks from such a privileged platform and like his
Speaker 2: words should be gospel.
Speaker 3: I'm like, fuck you, bro, Like that's I don't like
Speaker 3: Asian persuasion.
Speaker 4: Spirit animal Sam has said, Oh, Nick Fintes has streamed
Speaker 4: gay porn not once, not twice, but thrice, and I
Speaker 4: gotta be honest, to the shock of no one, I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: did anybody listen to him speak and think that like
Speaker 4: he's straight, he's a he claims to be an inset well,
Speaker 4: but that's it's not exactly accurate. I'm pretty sure he's
Speaker 4: a closeted homosexual, and that might also be why he's
Speaker 4: repulsed by women and has a visceral dislike of them.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I don't know that for a fact, but
Speaker 3: that checks out to me.
Speaker 2: Everything he says is for the clicks. That's why I
Speaker 2: don't fuck with him. He's not genuine.
Speaker 4: But the other side of that is just because you're
Speaker 4: gay doesn't mean you have to hate women, And just
Speaker 4: because you're white doesn't mean you have to be a supremacist.
Speaker 4: Look at Milo Uanopolis. He was called a white supremacist.
Speaker 4: He married a black guy. To quote him, he said,
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Speaker 3: And it's like, god damn it, my low, Holy fuck.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize it was like that dude, but then
Speaker 4: also a homosexual, and they kept calling.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know he's turned catholic, he's turned straight in
Speaker 4: all these things, and he's seen as an outcast by
Speaker 4: the conservative movement these days.
Speaker 3: But my point is he never hates women.
Speaker 4: Even when he was openly and outwardly gay, he had
Speaker 4: very good relationships with a lot of female talking heads
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Speaker 3: He has some disagreements with some, no doubt.
Speaker 4: But just because you're gay doesn't mean you have to
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he really is, uh, Samuel, If you would, sir,
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