WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:05.040 Something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.560 What's going to happen? 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:15.519 What? 4 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:26.440 I Welcome to the occult Rejects. 5 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:29.920 Today we're diving into one of the most elusive and 6 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:33.240 and debated mystery cults of the ancient world, Mythras and 7 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:37.119 the shadowy Saturnian current running beneath it. Today's guest is 8 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:41.359 Peter Mark Adams, author, translator and esoteric scholar, whose work 9 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:46.079 has become essential essential reading for anyone serious about Western esotericism. 10 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:49.840 His latest book, Ritual, An Epiphany in the Mysteries of 11 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:53.240 Mythrus the Secret Cult of Saturn and Imperial Rome is 12 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:57.000 a deep, meticulously researched rereading of Mythrism as a living 13 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:03.079 mystery tradition. Drawing on a kind of iconography or fic metaphysics, theorgy, 14 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:08.319 ritual theory, art history and initiation, Peter reconstructs the actual 15 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:14.159 ritual life, visionary experiences and initiatories, and initiatory psychological psychology 16 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:18.959 of Mythriic defots dvots. But before we get into this, 17 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:21.640 I will introduce the other people on the show. 18 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:22.920 And joining us. 19 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:25.599 Today we got the Headless Giant and he is the 20 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:28.640 one who actually found this guest. I am very very 21 00:01:28.640 --> 00:01:31.359 happy and appreciative of that. Thank you very much, Headless, 22 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:33.519 and I why don't you let everybody know what's going on 23 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:35.879 with you and the multiple amount of shows you were doing? 24 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:37.719 Now you got it. 25 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:40.640 You can find me on Twitter and on Instagram and 26 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:44.760 on YouTube at the Headless Shy Podcast. And also if 27 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:47.959 if you tune in later, me and Ethan are gonna 28 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:50.959 be doing the trialogues with Ricardo and we're gonna bring 29 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:54.480 our topics and have a good synthesis time. And on Mondays, 30 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:57.040 I've got Alchemy Mondays with air us up and that's 31 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:00.120 always a fun podcast as well. And if you have 32 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:05.040 any kind of occult experiences or mystical happenings, you can 33 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:09.120 send your experiences to my gmail at Healthshat podcast at 34 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:12.439 gmail dot com and me and Nick read those on Thursdays, 35 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:15.599 So definitely check that out as well. And we're going 36 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:18.479 to be doing another in the series of rustic Gods 37 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:23.560 with jewels at some point this week. Sometimes we're going 38 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:26.919 to be talking about all sorts of phallic gods of 39 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:27.719 the age world. 40 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:28.919 It's really weird. 41 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:33.599 Yep, surely will be. Yeah, definitely next week. 42 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:37.280 I think we will also start, you know, we will 43 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:40.319 start going through the infamous seven seven seven. 44 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:42.719 Book by Alista Crowley. This should probably take us a 45 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:45.280 few years to go through the whole book, but keep 46 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:46.000 an eye out for that. 47 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:49.159 If you're not too scared, you could come check out 48 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:52.080 check out Crowley seven seven seven book at what it's 49 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:54.759 really about. And if you're heavily into Jamachia or interested 50 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:58.599 in Jamatria, this is for you, So please come check 51 00:02:58.639 --> 00:02:58.960 it out. 52 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:02.400 And thank you very much, sir. I'm glad you made 53 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:02.879 it again. 54 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:05.599 I know again, like the weekends is your only time 55 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:07.400 really with your family, and you do spend a lot 56 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:09.319 of time with your cult reject so I do appreciate it. 57 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:11.400 It's my it's my only time to stream too, so 58 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:12.639 I appreciate you having me nick. 59 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:15.639 Guys, this is my third occult Reject show this week. 60 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:21.080 I am Jeles, the host of the Gray Pilled Podcast. 61 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:24.280 Follow me on Twitter at gray pill Pod. Go to 62 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:26.560 my Patreon. We do a lot of cool stuff over there, 63 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:29.120 a lot of a lot of tears set up. 64 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:31.039 You get a free sticker pack. 65 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:33.960 You get exclusive Patreon content and it's a good way 66 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:37.560 to support the show. But probably going live later today. 67 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:41.719 I don't know what I'm doing yet, maybe Cryptid Watch 68 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:45.800 or my part two on the Green Man, but I'll 69 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:47.879 kind of let people know throughout the day, so y'all 70 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:51.800 stay posted. But good morning, and it's nice to meet you, Peter. 71 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:53.560 Look forward to hearing what you. 72 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:54.039 Have to say. 73 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:56.639 Yeah, nice to meet you too, Thanks very. 74 00:03:56.599 --> 00:03:57.240 Much, Jewles. 75 00:03:57.560 --> 00:03:58.960 And last, but not at least, before we get to 76 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:01.159 the guests, we got my and Ethan Indigo. 77 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:02.039 What is going on, sir? 78 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:03.759 And how are you this one? 79 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:10.400 Oh well, I cut off for a second there, sorry, Peter. 80 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:13.360 Excellent to me and Shure Headlessen and Nick and Jewels. 81 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:19.000 Always great to speak with you guys. Ethan Indigo, Smith, writer, philosopher, 82 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:23.279 Taichi practitioner, easy to find on all the social media 83 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:27.800 and I appreciate people who reach out and communicate. So again, 84 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:29.079 excited for this, Peter. 85 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:32.480 Thank you very much for joining us. 86 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:35.160 I know it's early on your end, so I really 87 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:39.000 do appreciate you making it. And finally for the guest again, Peter, 88 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:42.079 this is your first time on the show. Hopefully we'll 89 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:44.920 have you on again in the future. But yeah, please 90 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:47.800 for the fans who don't know who you are yet, 91 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:50.399 please let them know, like what your deal is and 92 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:52.800 mention your books and please anything you'd like to promote, 93 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:53.879 let the people know about it. 94 00:04:55.879 --> 00:05:01.079 Yeah, I mean, well, where to start. I've been connected 95 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:05.399 with the shadow world of the Occolts since I was 96 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:11.399 eight years old. Pretty well. I really got into energy 97 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:21.079 work in my teens, working on systems like Shotokan, karate taichi, 98 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:28.480 a lot of energy work, meditation. I'm like over seventy 99 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:31.759 years old right now, so this is really a long 100 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:37.680 period of time that we're talking about, but very late 101 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:41.480 in life, pretty well, after I've finished with professional life, 102 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:46.439 I started as a professional writer author, and that's when 103 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:49.959 I really started digging into the subjects that have been 104 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:55.879 so dear to my heart for decades, literally decades, and 105 00:05:56.000 --> 00:06:02.560 more specifically, the mis recults of antiquity are kind of 106 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:09.000 specialty of mind, okay, from a ritual perspective, from ethnographic, 107 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:14.639 cross cultural perspective, and most of my books kind of 108 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:19.000 hit on that topic from one angle or another. So 109 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:24.759 I've produced an analysis of the rights of Dionysus as 110 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:28.560 we see them depicted in the frescoes of the Villa 111 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:32.639 of the Mysteries in Pompeii. My most recent work is 112 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:36.759 on the mithraic mysteries, and I guess we're going to 113 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:42.120 talk about that more. But I've also penetrated a very 114 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:50.199 obscure tarot deck called the Solar Busker HAROCKI, and this 115 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:56.160 fifteenth century elite tarot deck turned out to have several 116 00:06:56.639 --> 00:07:01.959 layers of encoding, and the the deepest layer was a 117 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:08.639 ritual sequence for invoking Kronos Saturn in the form of 118 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:16.160 the draconian current Ammuno. And that itself was kind of 119 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:21.920 my first major work back in twenty seventeen, a kind 120 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:27.360 of shocked scholarly community and the tarot community, who have 121 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:31.240 for the last ten years had a lot of problem 122 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:37.680 digesting the content that I uncovered because it affects our 123 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:41.800 perception of the Renaissance, of the development of taro, and 124 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:46.560 also of the role of these kind of rights amongst 125 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:51.800 the Renaissance elite families. So that was a fairly substantial 126 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:56.199 piece of work. On top of that, I spent like 127 00:07:56.360 --> 00:08:00.319 twenty five thirty years in energy healing, which is like 128 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:05.519 the other side of the coin from martial arts, so 129 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:09.360 that you know, instead of learning how to inflict suffering, 130 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:14.399 you learn how to alleviate it. I say, as a 131 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:22.519 kind of professional breath worker and reiki practitioner using meridian 132 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:27.399 based therapy techniques. I've done that professionally over like twenty 133 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:31.839 odd years with my partner. So there's a book in 134 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:38.720 which we've covered our most extraordinary cases, the cases that 135 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:42.840 shone the most light on the nature of consciousness and reality. 136 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:47.399 It's called the Power of the Healing Field. And that's 137 00:08:47.440 --> 00:08:53.440 within a tradition, So that's by and by what else? 138 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:58.360 I've written a book with Christophe Ponce, who did a 139 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:01.960 lot of work to uncover the hermetic side of the 140 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:05.799 Taro de Marseille tradition cards and we did a book 141 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:12.080 together with the Scarlet Imprint called Two Esoteric Tarots. So 142 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:15.919 we kind of intertwine our thoughts about Solo Busker and 143 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:19.919 the Taro de Marseille from an esoteric context in that book. 144 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:24.519 And if I can think of any other books, I'll 145 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.279 mention them. But that's enough for now. 146 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:34.639 I guess well, it's interesting, Mark Peter I. I got 147 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:37.840 first introduced to reiki from a martial arts class. I 148 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:40.559 was taking hop keto and the instructor had what he 149 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:43.080 called hurt him and helim classes where he would be 150 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:46.159 teaching hop keto and then afterwards they would do the 151 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:50.639 instruction into reiki, so it was very integrated into that 152 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:51.240 whole system. 153 00:09:51.399 --> 00:09:54.360 Yeah, I consider them like two sides of the same 154 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:58.919 coin basically, you know. Yeah, and a lot of people 155 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:04.240 don't realize a sui reiki if that's what we're talking about. 156 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:10.360 That lineage is a offshoot of ten Dia Buddhism, which 157 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:16.080 is the Vajrayana tradition within Japan, so that you know, 158 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:22.600 we're talking about channeling essentially a ray or a healing 159 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:28.840 energy from a deity. And I think it's important to 160 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:32.200 state that because a lot of people think reiki is 161 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:38.320 just some kind of off the shelf common practice, and 162 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:43.159 it's far more than that. It is, you know, literally 163 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:48.639 a mediation of the highest evolutionary or spiritual evolutionary forces 164 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:52.279 to whoever you end up treating. 165 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:56.960 It's the accessibility that I think brings a lot of 166 00:10:56.960 --> 00:10:59.759 people into it is because you know, they don't have 167 00:10:59.799 --> 00:11:02.519 to know any of the esoteric to actually feel it. 168 00:11:02.840 --> 00:11:08.399 Sorry, guys, I'm I'm getting a freeze on the internet. 169 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:12.679 I may miss. 170 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:16.879 You may not hear what we're saying. 171 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:20.159 Okay, I'm good now, I'm good now. 172 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:23.120 Okay, Okay, yeah, hell let's repeat yourself if you don't mind. 173 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:25.480 So sorry saying something. 174 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:29.960 Yeah, the reiki tradition seems very accessible to people, so 175 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:33.360 it's it's almost like, you know, it's perfect for Americans 176 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:35.840 because you don't have to know any of these traditions, 177 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:37.679 just do it right away, you know. 178 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:43.039 Yeah, yeah, which is good. But I should realize that 179 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:47.440 they've got such tremendous power in their hands, and very 180 00:11:47.480 --> 00:11:49.960 often I think that realization is not there. 181 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:57.360 Absolutely, we got to do a reiki show with you sometimes. 182 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:00.360 Yeah, I will say, there's so many so I had 183 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:02.200 a go ahead for it. 184 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:06.679 I was going to say one time I took a 185 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:12.120 photograph of a group of recently graduating reiki teachers, and 186 00:12:12.519 --> 00:12:16.159 I took it with a flash simple digital camera, and 187 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:19.679 the light flashed straight back into my eyes as though 188 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:22.720 I had stood in front of a mirror and attempted 189 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:26.840 to take a flash photograph. And so I looked at 190 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:29.720 the camera and I thought, sorry, wrong with this, and 191 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:32.440 I did it again. It happened again, and then like 192 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:37.879 the third time, it took a photograph and I felt satisfied. 193 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:42.639 When I checked these frames later, it was quite clear 194 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:48.600 there was distinct auras of energy around the group, and 195 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:53.240 they had like a three dimensionality to them, and they 196 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:57.440 acted with a density which was invisible to everybody there, 197 00:12:57.480 --> 00:13:02.639 including me, fishing to reflect light as though they had 198 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:07.480 a mirror mirroring effect. And I think that sequence of photographs, 199 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:09.919 if we ever do anything, maybe we should put them 200 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:14.759 up and let people see that. I'm not aware of 201 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:18.799 any other photography that's actually caught the nature of this 202 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:23.600 energy as a physical component of a group. 203 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:30.559 Absolutely, I will say, unfortunately, there is a lot of 204 00:13:30.559 --> 00:13:32.519 things like you even went into tarot, and it's like, 205 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:35.080 I'd love to just waste this whole show just talking 206 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:39.679 about your terror research and then even the reiki again. 207 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:41.320 Why I was saying, hopefully we'll have you on again 208 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:43.080 at some other point, because there seems like plenty of 209 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:45.480 things that would fit the show or fit our interest 210 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:48.840 to talk about with you. But I guess just unfortunately, 211 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:54.480 going back to Mithrus, one thing I guess with your book, 212 00:13:55.440 --> 00:14:00.320 you do mention like a epiphany and ritual in the title. Yeah, 213 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:02.679 obviously you find that very important. Then if you put 214 00:14:02.679 --> 00:14:06.159 that in there, what is like the I guess the 215 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:08.600 reasoning in your book. What is it that I guess 216 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:10.960 you think that you're hitting on that's different, and that 217 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:14.720 you find a you know, of interest in the ritual 218 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:17.679 and the epiphany part instead of like theorgy and other things, 219 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:19.279 theology things. 220 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:24.080 Okay, So my take on the mystery or the mystery 221 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:28.840 tradition is that it's always peculiar to a specific deity. 222 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:31.679 You know, So before we. 223 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:34.399 Have, before we go too far, I heard you say 224 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:36.360 it before, and I think it's great. Could you go 225 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:39.279 into what is a deity to you before maybe we 226 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:40.080 even continue? 227 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:46.240 Yeah, well, I take it as an evolutionary force driving 228 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:52.279 the universe. So just as you take a kill a 229 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:56.519 white light and drive it through a prism, you generate 230 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:01.159 a set of different flavors, frequents, is whatever you want 231 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:04.799 to call it, which kind of correspond to the major 232 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:12.320 deities recognizable in human spiritual cultures, cross culturally, but they 233 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:17.000 all resolve back to that white light. Okay, So that 234 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:21.679 no matter which way you're traveling on the white light 235 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:27.399 or on the colored beam, you're essentially on a continuum 236 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:31.720 that I see as a teleological driver of the universe's 237 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:36.799 spiritual unfolding, that's to say, the unfolding of consciousness, which 238 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:42.240 I take to be the primary material of the universe. 239 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:49.360 It a matter is kind of secondary, but they're totally interconnected. 240 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:55.720 So that then you work with a deity is essentially 241 00:15:55.919 --> 00:16:01.240 a cooperative working. In other words, you're aligning yourself with 242 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:05.039 a certain frequency of energy to do a certain type 243 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:09.600 of work. It's not about your spiritual evolution or your 244 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:15.840 spiritual experience. It's about the work that's accomplished through that 245 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:23.840 mediation of a deity's energy. Okay. It's purposeful, it's teleological, 246 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:30.440 it's unfolding. And you mentioned Thurgi just now with Hergie 247 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:37.559 arose essentially because early Christianity closed down the mystery cults. Okay, 248 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:40.679 so they had to find an alternative to the sanctuary 249 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:48.200 based approach to initiation, and the alternative was Thurgy and 250 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:54.080 you see it articulated in Iamblicus and Proclus and my 251 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:59.559 book on the Higher Sophia traces that building's architecture and 252 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:05.559 it's designed back to the mysteries of Alusis. Okay. That's 253 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:10.519 that's another thing we could talk about one day. So 254 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:14.880 that what we see is that the most primitive level 255 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:20.960 or bedrock of spiritual experience from my perspective, is in 256 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:25.240 the cults of possession. That's to say, voluntary possession, not 257 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:30.599 involuntary possessions. Okay, and that's that's like the one universal 258 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:37.200 spiritual constant in our upwards trajectory from the upper Paleolithic 259 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:38.599 to today. 260 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:40.920 Real, real, quick, just interrupt nine point five. 261 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:45.920 Yeah, would you consider invoking when people are invoking in 262 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:48.839 deity or whatever, that would be almost considered a like 263 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:49.880 welcomed the possession. 264 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:57.839 I mean, thirty is possession. But okay, it's it's not 265 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:02.359 anything else. No, no, all right, that's important here though. 266 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:06.759 What's important here you need to discard the notion that 267 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:13.480 your ritual invocation causes a deity to possess you. That 268 00:18:13.480 --> 00:18:18.160 that's a nonsense, that's just getting there looking through the 269 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:22.400 wrong end of the telescope. And Proclus Diadocus, you know, 270 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:26.559 one of the colossal intellects of the fifth century was 271 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:31.839 quite clear. He says, all about commensurability. Have you repaired 272 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:37.400 your energy body sufficiently to act as a meeting place 273 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:41.440 and into a place where the deity can touch? Have 274 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:45.640 you aligned yourself with that deity's values sufficiently to make 275 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:51.240 it a welcome and desirable connection, because the deity wants 276 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:54.319 to reach out all the time. Twenty four to seven. 277 00:18:55.359 --> 00:19:00.079 It's not hidden. If you're not connecting with the deity, 278 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:04.680 that's your fault. That's your problem, it's not the deity's problem, okay. 279 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:10.319 And that embrace with the deity is purely okay. I'm 280 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:14.799 aligned with the set of values and the ethical requirements 281 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:20.599 to such a degree that that deity becomes a element 282 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:24.000 in your day to day life and what you're attempting 283 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:27.759 to achieve. The service, in other words, is the driver, 284 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:32.799 not your aspiration for spiritual experience. I mean, that is 285 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:38.079 not a that is not even a starter. In my worldview, 286 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:42.880 nobody cares about your aspiration for spiritual experience. We care 287 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:46.000 about what you do in life and what element of 288 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:49.519 service you bring to the common mess that we're all 289 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:50.599 in here. 290 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:53.440 The common mess we're all in here. 291 00:19:54.079 --> 00:19:57.279 I like that because people often write to me and say, 292 00:19:57.319 --> 00:19:59.559 how can I connect with such and such a deity? 293 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:03.240 And I don't know how to answer them, What the 294 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:06.880 hell are you? What are you doing in life? Well, 295 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:11.319 even somebody doing a low level of service serving in 296 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:14.519 a soup kitchen is more connected to a deity than 297 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:20.160 most people who are doing spiritual pilgrimage and stuff. It's 298 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:24.319 all about community. It's all about the service and the 299 00:20:24.319 --> 00:20:26.920 rest of it is just a waste of time. 300 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:34.319 Frankly, well, I will even say when I had my 301 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:38.480 I guess magical experiences, at some point I had just 302 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:40.079 for me, for myself. I'm not saying this is for 303 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:42.920 everybody else, but for me. I feel like, you know, 304 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:46.319 when you want to connect to God, God never left 305 00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:50.359 or you know, it didn't disappear. It says if I, 306 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:53.240 for some reason guests turned my back on the source 307 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:56.640 and decided to have my own solo experience, and I'm 308 00:20:56.680 --> 00:20:58.799 the one who walked away and traveled away. If I 309 00:20:58.880 --> 00:21:00.519 want to go back, I got to put the work 310 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:02.119 in that. You know, it doesn't need to come to me. 311 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:05.880 I'm the one who left it. So I kind of 312 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:10.160 see a little bit of what you're saying and agree, well, 313 00:21:10.200 --> 00:21:12.640 thank you for that, for that whole that whole explanation. 314 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:15.319 That was very well put, Peter. I'm going to clip 315 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:17.359 that and put it up on my social media. 316 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:21.920 So that was a mic drop. Man. 317 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:24.799 It's probably gonna it's probably going to piss off a 318 00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:26.519 lot of good which. 319 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:30.599 It'll make people think, right, because people aren't doing quite 320 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:31.640 enough of that these days. 321 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:37.920 So but yeah, that was the first explanation of deity 322 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:41.440 with with the light, the white light and the rays. 323 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:45.960 It made me think too that naturally you found reiki 324 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:55.440 because of it has this almost verbal annunciation correspondence in 325 00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:59.400 the light ray and and the universal wisdom. 326 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:01.799 Of the ray t if you will. 327 00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:05.880 So, yeah, that was a very beautiful explanation of deity. 328 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:09.839 Excuse me, yeah, thank you. 329 00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:13.039 So, Peter, I guess uh, if you don't mind, Well, 330 00:22:13.079 --> 00:22:15.440 does anybody have any other questions? Before I asked him 331 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:19.359 about the ritual aspect, I was gonna go into a 332 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:19.839 little bit. 333 00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:19.920 Of a. 334 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:23.519 Yeah, and I took you off with the whole deity. 335 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:25.240 That was a that was a question in itself. 336 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:27.359 Sorry, but yeah, headless, head less ask him something that 337 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:28.400 we'll get back, we'll get back. 338 00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:29.200 I'm sorry. 339 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:32.599 Well, there's a there's a difference in soteriologies that I 340 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:36.400 see blended together within the mythrist cult. Is you've got 341 00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:40.880 on one hand, you've got the sanguinary sew teiology coming 342 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:43.480 through the bull sacrifice, right, and on the other you've 343 00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:47.079 got the epophonic right. You see the epophonic or you know, 344 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:51.400 epiphany angle that you see associated with Apollo at Delphi 345 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:54.759 and these other rituals where it's it's more about engaging 346 00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:58.440 with the deity as as opposed to making certain sacrifices. 347 00:22:58.480 --> 00:23:00.480 But you see both of them coming together within the 348 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:05.440 mythrus cult. That is almost unique in some ways because 349 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:10.319 it's experiencing the same sort of epiphonic thing in a 350 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:14.839 sanguinary kind of environment under the ground, right, So it's 351 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:17.200 it's sort of a melding of a lot of different 352 00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:21.519 forms of salvation protocols. 353 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:27.920 Okay, let's dissect it a little. First of all, there 354 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:36.319 was no bold sacrifice ever in the cult of Mythruss. Okay, 355 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:39.920 if you take the so called toroctony, so called bull 356 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:43.440 killing scene, actually it's nearly on the back of the 357 00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:45.759 bull is stabbing it in the shoulder, and you know 358 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:50.640 you're going to be the sacrifice if you go and 359 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:53.839 try that out. So it clearly isn't a depiction of 360 00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:57.960 a sacrifice. That's that's the first thing, Okay. What it 361 00:23:58.039 --> 00:24:03.440 is is the iconography can first be found in the 362 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:08.839 epic of Gilgamesh around two thousand BCE, okay, where Anki 363 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:11.799 Do and Gilgamesh conspire to kill the bull of Heaven 364 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:15.880 who's creating havoc on earth. You know, sent by the Goddessa. 365 00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:21.039 So that's exactly how they do that, and that element 366 00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:26.799 becomes part of Mithrus's hero activity. He fights with some giants, 367 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:30.160 he fights with the bull of Heaven, he carries it 368 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:34.319 on his back, he feasts of it along with Helios. Okay, 369 00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:40.759 So what's being laid out is a traditional trajectory of 370 00:24:40.839 --> 00:24:45.039 the hero Okay. Why is that important is because it 371 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:51.559 provides the ethical basis upon which Mithras arrests. Courage and 372 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:59.599 good community with fellow initiates were like primary ethical values. 373 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:06.720 So the mid cycle of Mithras as hero god spells 374 00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:10.119 that out in the iconography. Why because only about five 375 00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:15.480 percent of the entire Roman Empire were literate, okay, and 376 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:20.799 even amongst that five percent, there's a very steep decline 377 00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:26.079 to the minuscule number of people who not only were 378 00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:30.200 literate enough to read metaphysics, but had access to texts 379 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:35.759 and could do so. The iconography was everything. Everything you 380 00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:40.720 had to say had to be there. Okay. So the 381 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:45.200 employment of this ancient I would date it back to 382 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:48.559 the Neolithic frankly, you know, because if it's written down 383 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:53.319 around two thousand BCE or already headed into the early 384 00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:56.240 Bronze Age, so it must have existed as an oral 385 00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:59.640 tradition long before there, and that takes you straight into 386 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:04.519 the Calithic, and the Neolithic just gets lost in the 387 00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:09.039 mists of time. The other element is the nearly on 388 00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:12.160 the back of the bull and stabbing it. Well. The 389 00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:15.839 deity Mithras is attested in the Bronze Age in Sanskrit, 390 00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:20.799 in a vestern, in Hittite, and in Matani. In other words, 391 00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:28.519 the name the god Mitra originates in Proto Indo European. Okay. 392 00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:33.400 It's a root language, hypothetical root language, and again that 393 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:36.480 takes you right back into the Neolithic somewhere. We don't 394 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:42.319 know when the various Indo European languages emerged from that 395 00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:46.279 Proto Indo European, so we're looking at a very rich 396 00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:51.200 iconographic tradition. A Zoroastrianism only comes into play around six 397 00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:56.279 hundred BC. We're talking about eight thousand BC, okay, So 398 00:26:56.400 --> 00:27:01.400 the confusion of Mythrism as a Zoroastrian or or Persian 399 00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:08.400 cult doesn't see the is kind of blind to the 400 00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:11.480 depth that we're talking about, the time depth that we're 401 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:18.440