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Speaker 2: Put your balls on the world stage.
Speaker 1: Whack it way. We have got Scrooged with mister Bill Murray,
and we've got Christmas Vacation with mister Chevy Chase. Where
are we gonna put it? Podcast? This big bend over
and I'll show you. Thank you.
Speaker 2: You t that up nicely for me.
Speaker 1: All right, So we need to jump into these two
movies because there's just chock full of stuff. Yeah, and
so I don't want to talk anymore. I just want
to do it. Let's jump in right now. Let's start
off with Scrooged. Okay, sure, Scrooged came out in eighty eight.
Christmas Vacation came out in eighty nine, that's correct. Okay, Yeah,
so we've got Scrooged came out first, and this was
Bill Murray's return, and this is based on a Christmas
Carol by Charles Dickens. Right, and I think that our
normal listeners would expect me to go back to Charles
Dickens' day. I was waiting for you were waiting for that, right,
I'm not going to go back that far. Okay, I'm
going to go back to October third, nineteen twenty six,
so almost that far, okay, okay, all right, okay, So
October third, if you'll remember, that's my birthday. It was
about nineteen twenty six, half a century or so before
I was born. But anyway, another guy was born that
day named Marty Simmons.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Marty Simmons grows up early twenties, gets a job as
a newspaper reporter in New York City and his one
of his main beats is to cover restaurants. And so
this group of business investors comes to him and said, hey,
we have got this idea where if you've got a
membership to the club, you can just pay with credit.
You don't have to use cash. And he's like, yeah,
I'm not really, I'm a cash guy. I don't need
to do that, and like, we'll cut you in on
the business. He's like, okay, tell me what you want
to do. And so he went to several of these restaurants,
got them to agree to this thing, and Marty Simmons,
in February of nineteen fifty was the first person in
the world to use a credit card.
Speaker 2: Really yes, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Now, Marty is a guy with many talents. He wrote
obviously as a journalist. He started this business that they
called the Diners Club. One of the founding members of
the Diners Club, and about twenty five years later he
gets involved with a publishing company called National Lampoon.
Speaker 2: Get out of Town.
Speaker 1: Marty Simmons is one of the key members of the
National Lampoon organization. He was part of the National Lampoon Players.
He was involved in that business. He expanded them to radio,
to television, and of course to movies. And he was
a part of National Lampoon Animal House, the original National
Lampoon Vacation, and of course Christmas Vacation as well. Uh huh,
But I said we were going to start off with Scrooge,
didn't you did say that? Now I mentioned he was
one of the guys that was with the National Lampoon Players. Well,
one day one of those players comes up to him
and he's the he's the business and they're like, hey,
you know, I gotta go. I can't keep working here.
I gotta go do something else. And he's like, well,
we don't have an understudy for you. You can't just leave.
We need you. And the guy's like, you know what,
my younger brother he's really good. You should just use him.
He's upstairs working at the radio anyway. And then guy's like, huh,
I guess I mean can he act? And he goes like, well,
let me have him audition for you and you'll see. Well,
the guy that was leaving was Brian Doyle Murray and
the guy that came in was mister Bill Murray. And
that is how Bill Murray got his start at National Lampoon.
I am coming at me. You know my whole night
hold up, I swear.
Speaker 2: Now beat it. That is fantastic. You tea that up
so nicely, So Brian Doral Murray. I was gonna bring
this up later when we talked about casting. Yeah, he's
in both of these movies. He is in both of
these movies. He was in the original National Lampoon Vacation.
He's in Caddyshack, which of course is full of National
Lampoon folks. Yes, yes, including Bill Murray, Chevy Chase. Yeah,
I mean it was it's all a fests there by
the way, go check out our Caddyshack versus Happy Gilmour episode.
We go into great detail about the beginnings of National Lampoon,
which are fun.
Speaker 1: Go check that episode out.
Speaker 2: Okay, so just a little bit more on Brian Dole Murray.
Speaker 1: You bring him up. He was lou in Caddy Shack.
Speaker 2: Huh, what's that? I say that? No fighting, But he
plays mister Shirley Clark's boss and Christmas Vacation. He also
plays Frank Cross's dad and Scrooged.
Speaker 1: But listen to this.
Speaker 2: In Vacation he plays the guy who rintsed them tense
in Durango, Colorado. Yeah, same actor, different characters in the
Vacation trilogy quadrilogy.
Speaker 1: Yeahever it might be. Yeah, And there are several throwbacks
in Scrooge to some of those old movies, not the
least of which is Bill Murray taking a drink and
this is right after he's seen the ghost and he
opens his mouth and a golf ball comes out. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would say that there's even more like
current event type of mentions in Scrooged. Yeah, I mean
you got Mary lou Retten, Yeah, you got Jamie Farr, Yeah,
you got Buddy Whackett, Buddy hack It, Yes, you've got
was it Alfalfa or spanking, and then you've got Bill
Murray specifically saying that his vodka was poisoned by Chernobyl. Yep,
so a lot of fun references for eighties kids who
remember that time.
Speaker 1: You know, absolutely.
Speaker 2: I watched it with my son last night. He thought
it was hilarious. He didn't have any idea who Mary
lou Rettin was.
Speaker 1: Oh, did you know what Chernobyl was? Well, that's good,
that's good. There you go. Okay, So screw starts off
with a guy who was in the original skit for
Saturday Night Live. Okay, not John Belushi, Yeah, the other guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, tell me about that.
Speaker 1: So very first skit, it's this cold open Saturday Night Live.
John Belushi plays this foreign guy who seems to be
going in for some language lessons, and the guy who's
given them the language lessons is telling him some of
the weirdest phrases.
Speaker 2: I am going to feed your fingertips to the wolverines.
Speaker 1: I'm going to feed our fingertips to the wolverines. Yes,
and then this guy has a heart attack, falls over
and dies, and John Belushi, thinking this is part of
the lesson, also has a heart attack and falls over
the guys, Yes he does. Chevy Chase comes out as
a stage manager and is the first one to say
live from New York, it's Saturday Night. The guy who's
playing the language teacher is a guy who's a writer
for the show. He had come from National Lampoon and
it's a guy named Michael o'donahue. Okay, as we were,
you know, as we do, as we text our Patreon friends,
David writes like, I hope you talk about this guy. So, David,
I'm sorry to not read the Saturday Night Live book
that you have, but I can tell you that this
guy had this idea back in the early eighties, maybe
even back into the seventies, of doing another comedy dark
style of a Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens. Okay, I
mean he wanted to scare the dickens out of people.
Nobody gets that joke. Nobody gets me. Okay. So he
writes this script. He shows it to Bill Murray. Later on,
Bill Murray's like, it's not so good. And then things happen,
you know, Saturday Night Left becomes big. Michael o'donahue has
writing jobs that he continues to do. Then Ghostbusters happens,
and Bill Murray is huge, right, and he decides to
have his own serious movie called The Razor's Edge, which
does very poorly. And so he is in this situation
where he's got this outrageous fame. All of a sudden
he's suddenly getting panned by the critics for this serious
movie that he's done, and he basically decides to go
into hiding. And after four years of being in hiding,
not doing a single movie except a really small part
in a movie called Little Shop of Horrors, which is fantastic.
Speaker 2: Movie by his cameo is awesome.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's great. He plays the masochistic patient of the
Steve Martin Dennis. Yes, absolutely brilliant. And by the way,
in case I forget it, it comes up at the
end of Scrooged a little part when he's doing when
he's doing his little weird you know ad lib, he says,
feed me seed more right at the end of the movie.
Speaker 2: Quick question for you, Yes, have you ever seen Ghostbusters?
Speaker 1: Have you seen? Yes?
Speaker 2: How many times? Million times?
Speaker 1: A bunch?
Speaker 2: How many times you've seen razeis Age zero times. I've
never seen racists, never seen.
Speaker 1: Rach I would watch it I'm curious to see what
a pil curious, serious piece would be.
Speaker 2: I really would, but I mean, in thirty five years,
I've never got around to it.
Speaker 1: Okay, another side note, just throw it over to Christmas
Vacation real quick. Jonathan Johnny Gilicky Yeah believe is how
you pronounced his last name? Yeah? Yeah, thirteen years old,
first comedy he's ever done, first big picture that he's
ever done. He said that chevy Chase would like point
at him for when he was supposed to say his line, right, Yeah,
he's supposed to, you know, and he was just he
and he appreciated. He's like I was thirteen, I didn't
know comic timing, and Chevy Chase was a master at
comic timing. Right. He has shown it to him, and
chevy Chase kind of took him under his wing. They'd
have lunch together and occasionally Chevy be like, let's get
out of here, and they would go to different sets.
So they went to Harlem Knights. Yeah, Richard Pryor Eddie
Murphy comes up and scrooged.
Speaker 2: Yes, one of the funniest lines in the movie.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm sorry, you know, I thought Richard Pryor and
also they go and visit the set of Ghostbusters too. Really, yeah,
that's fantastic. There are all kinds of ties in this movie,
and we usually do this at the beginning, we talk
about the various ties. Yeah, and obviously we've got Brian
Doyle Murray as a huge one. But maybe maybe the
biggest one is the house.
Speaker 2: We talked about this in our Diehard Versus Lethal Weapon episode.
This was shot on the Warner Brothers lot, So this
entire movie is shot in la and it's snowy and
looks like Chicago. That's movie magic. Todd and Margo obviously
lived next door to the Griswolds. The Griswolds live next
door to the Murta house in Lethal Weapon one, two, three,
and four. Yes, it's Todd and Margo's house is also
the Murta's house. So Todd Margo conceivably had to fix
the toilet that got blown up from leth Weapon two.
Speaker 1: Right, So why is that important? Because Richard Donner, the
director of Lethal Weapon, is also the guy who directed Scrooged.
Speaker 2: That's good. That's good. By the way, I gotta throw
this for those of you who like our stuff and
follow us or whatever. We have covered Ghostbusters two with
our friends at the Film by podcast YEP. Jeff and Brad.
We are on their podcast covering Ghostbusters two. If you
want to catch that, it's a really good one, a
lot of fun. Go over there and check them out.
Speaker 1: Guys. I just got to say, some of those episodes
that we've done with those guys are some of my favorites,
especially the Ghostbusters two And that was our first one
together and we got done with that one was like,
that was fantastic. Yeah, those guys are great. I mean,
it was just a very very enjoyable experience to do
that podcast. Please go check out, go subscribe a film
by podcast YEP.
Speaker 2: By the way, I've got one more connection between these
two movies that want to bring up. Okay it's a
small one though, Okay, but since we're making broad connections,
so in Scrooge, Yes, Bill Murray's secretary, her name is Grace.
Speaker 1: Oh what Grace? She died thirty years ago, blasting yes,
that actress is from Tulsa, Oklahoma with Juffy she is
from Tulsa. That he did not know that not the
Betty Boop actress the Woodard Yeah yeah, yeah, Oklhoma.
Speaker 2: How about that.
Speaker 1: You guys may have passed in the street and you
had no idea.
Speaker 2: We've probably been to Woodland Hills Mall at the same time,
probably half.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we've we've sidetracked a little bit. Yeah, okay,
So back to Michael o'donahue. He is a hot tempered
He's a strange dude, right, He's a strange dude. When
we were talking text wise, I was like, Okay, this
guy has had zero successful films other than this film. Like,
he's got scrooged, he's got all of the Saturday Night
Live stuff. But he did write a little movie called
tar Zoom, which is an X rated cartoon from the
mid seventies. Oh my gosh. Yeah, my Google search history
has to be deleted after we do some of these research.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so Michael donahue has written the script. Bill Barry
wasn't interested. But now, four years after his time Ghostbusters,
with just a brief cameo in the Little Shop of
fourst He's like, you know what, that movie sounds interesting again,
let me see it. Oh, I forgot. There's one more
cameo that you probably don't remember because it wasn't in
a movie. It was in a video, and it was
a video by a guy we in the eighties knew
as Buster Poindexter.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: Now. If you're if you're maybe ten years twenty years
older than us, you might remember this guy as the
lead singer for the New York Dolls.
Speaker 2: David Johansson, Buster Poindexter, Same guy, same guy.
Speaker 1: This is loungejack. Personality is Buster Poindexter, and you will remember,
probably most prominently, no matter what age you are, his
rendition of the song Hot Hot, Hot Hot. By the way,
he calls this the bane of his existence because it's
like karaoke and all of the other it's just like,
h I'm just so sorry I did the song. Now,
he probably made a bajillion dollars from doing the song,
but I sent you the video last night, and I
was like, check out who shows up at one minute
and fifty seven seconds in.
Speaker 2: Mister Bill Murray.
Speaker 1: Mister Bill freaking Murray shows up And there's his other
cameo before this movie. Now, as it turns out, I'm
just kinda learned this today, Buster Poindexter David Johansson. He
has the part of Christmas Past in this movie. Right, Well,
that wasn't originally supposed to go to him. This is
mind blowing the actor that it was supposed to go to.
And just just close your eyes and imagine this, if
you will. It was supposed to go to mister Sam Kennison.
Can you imagine perfect I can see it. I can
definitely see it. And I think that David Johanson did
a fantastic job with it. I mean he's a very
I think he played it well, very New York style,
and he's a guy from New York. Something makes sense.
I mean, Sam Kinison's kind of a Southern boy, so
it's a little it would be a different, different character
entirely Sam Kennison.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tulsa, Oklahoma. Yeah, by the way, and that makes
more sense when you look at the broad picture.
Speaker 1: You've got a.
Speaker 2: Big comedian, Bill Murray, You've got Bobcat Goldthwaite, you know,
plugged in to carry the comedic weight, right.
Speaker 1: Well, Sam Kennison was really upset that he didn't get
this part, and then when his buddy Bobcat Goldthwaite gets
a part in the movie, he's even more for us.
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, I didn't hear that story. Yeah, let's back
up for just a second. Yeah, Bill Murray, when you
said he was hiding out, he was in France, like
living in Paris. He thought about giving up acting altogether.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: When I think about that, I'm like, Okay, Bill Murray
was hotter than hot. In fact, I read a note
that said when they were building the idea of doing Scrooge,
they said, there's two guys that can carry this movie.
They paid Bill Murray six million dollars to do this.
The only other person at the time that was hot
enough to handle this Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was doing his own thing with Harlem Knights.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we would have missed out on what about
Bob Ghostbusters two? The ed Wood character. That's hilarious, Just
a lot of parts that Bill Murray. It was awesome.
Speaker 1: Inn Just just keep in mind that six million dollar figure.
For the time, he made more money than the director,
the rest of the cast and the writers combined. Wow.
So originally slated to direct was Sidney Pollock, okay, who
had worked with Bill Murray before, but it was in
TUTSI oh, yeahmates, he's the roommate. Sidney Pollack directed that movie,
but I don't remember what the reason was. But Sidney
Pollack had to bow out, and so they went with
another big director up and coming. Really but I mean,
he had done Superman, he had done the Omen and
he was he had done Goonies, he had done Goonies
and Leith the Weapon and Leath the Weapon, which at
that point, I don't know that anybody really had the
idea who he was with Lethal Weapon. I mean it
was like, I think he got that job before Lethal
Weapon had exploded onto the scene like it had. But
he gets slated to direct and he's a little unsure.
He's like, I've never done a comedy before. I mean,
obviously Lethal Weapon has its comedic moments, but not a
full blown comedy like this one is. But I gotta
say he knocked it out of the park. His comedy
in this movie, with the timing of like the very
unsettling zombie scenes and you know, mice coming out of
people's skulls and followed up by something that's absolutely hysterical,
is brilliant, Absolutely brilliant. Richard Donner can do all the
comedies he wants to do.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I'm glad that you touched on that
because you take a super funny improv, you know, Second
City type performance by Bill Murray, and you add some
really cool special effects dangling him outside the window, and
then the Christmas futures the skeleton with the guys running
around his body. You know, we watched him Quinn Quinn's like,
whoa dude.
Speaker 1: By the way, I happen to see the Japanese poster
for this particular movie. Yeah, and it's got a picture
of Bill Murray down at the bottom and it's like
there's a laser coming out of his hand, like he's
Emperor Palipatine or something, and it's zooming up to the
sky where it's like the ghules that are in the
chest of Christmas future. Like it's not at all related
to the movie. It's just kind of this weird take.
And then there's another one from Australia where it's got
like the three ghosts up above him and he's still
smoking the cigar. But the tagline is basically now it's
Bill Murray against three ghosts, which is obviously a Ghostbuster's reference.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that. Since you brought it up, I'm
gonna go ahead and say this. Yeah, the poster for
the movie scrooged and the poster for movie Christmas Vacation
to the worst in the eighties. I hate them both, really, yes,
tell me why. On Scrooge, you got Bill Murray's giant
face and he's making this goofy look and his hair's
crazy and it's drawn, it's not a picture, and he's
lighting a cigar that's being lit by a skilled just bad.
Speaker 1: It doesn't tell you anything about the movie at all,
and it's not particularly engaging.
Speaker 2: No, and it's just it's just a draw. I mean,
it's like somebody drew it, you know, and somebody an
art class, you know, and second semester.
Speaker 1: Right, well, and the one for Christmas Vacation looks even
more construct Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now you compare that to the original of a vacation
poster where he's you know, it's got Christy Brinkley and
Beverly D'Angelo and he's kind of muscled up and he
looks like a champion. You know.
Speaker 1: It's a play on the Conan barbarian barbarian poster, right,
And that one's fantastic, it's awesome, it's fantastic.
Speaker 2: And then you have a second semester art student in
charge of this one. It looks terrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, two portly done posters for two great movies.
Speaker 2: By the way, I saw an alternate poster for Christmas
Vacation in Europe. I don't really get this, okay, so
let me paint this picture for you. So it's Christmas Vacation.
He's being shocked by Christmas lights and he's wearing a
Santa's get up.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: In this European poster I saw, it's called Holiday Vacation,
no Santa get up, and he's just wearing like a coat.
It's it's the weirdest thing. He's still getting shocked. It
just they changed his clothes and it's really weird. Okay.
So back to Richard Donner for a second. Yeah, I
thought this was really interesting. He had some complimentary things
to say about Bill Murray, says one of the most
creative guys he's worked with, but he's off the rails.
He's difficult to direct.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: When you ask Bill Murray his experience in this movie,
he say it was a misery the entire time, and
he and Donner disagreed about everything all the time, constantly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of the things he said, Donner kept telling him
to do it again and do it louder, and Bill
Murray said, I just think he was deaf. One more
tidbit on Richard Donner. He used to direct Gillingdon's Island. Yes,
there's a trivia question in the movie.
Speaker 1: What boat do they take to Gillingdon's Island?
Speaker 2: And the whole time Bill Murray's like, you know this.
Speaker 1: This is easy. Nice. I toldly missed that connection. Nice one.
That's a good one, thank you. Okay, so kind of
talked about how Scrooge came into being. Let's jump over
to Christmas Vacation. Burns some dust here, Rubbert. So this
one's another great story. We have our eighties beloved writer
and director of all time, mister John Hughes. Now, the
original story was in National Lampoon magazine, and this was
actually the second story. First vacation story was National Lampoon's
Vacation that became the movie. Then the second story in
the magazine came out December nineteen eighty and that was
the Christmas version written by John Hughes, who then of
course wrote the script for this movie as well. Right now,
John Hughes had found this guy that we've talked about
before in our Grimlins episode. Yeah, and He says, hey, dude,
I'd like you to come direct this new Christmas movie
that I've written. And that guy's name was Chris Columbus,
and the new movie was Christmas Vacation, right, and a
lot of you are going to be right now going
I didn't know Chris Columbus directed Christmas Vacation, and you
would be right. He did not. He did not Before
one the aim of film was shot. Chris Columbus, despite
the fact that this was his first opportunity to direct
and he was dying to direct a movie. He calls
up John Hughes to say, I don't think I can
work with Chevy Chase. Chevy Chase had from the outset
made his life a living hell, thought he was inexperienced,
didn't want to work with him, had this other guy
in mind that he wanted to work with, and basically
he could see the writing on the wall. This was
not going to work. He calls John Hughes ready to quit,
and before he can even say what he wants to say,
John Hughes says, Hey, you know what, I don't think
you're gonna fit right with this movie, but I've got
another movie that I think you'd be perfect for So
it's this really beautiful like, hey, I know what you're
about to say, and it's okay, right, what a great
thing to do for this guy. And then of course
the movie that he gets to do is Home Alone.
Speaker 2: No, man, it's so incredible. John Hughes knew Chevy Chase
was tough to work for. Yeah, and Chris Columbus is not.
I mean, he was a screenwrid. He wrote Grimlins, he
wrote Goonies. Yeah, I mean, this guy is an up
and coming major talent.
Speaker 1: So he had done a couple of movies before this.
He had done Adventures in Babysitting in eighty seven, and
he did Heartbreak Hotel, which of course was at the
same time that this was going out. And you remember
he was super excited to meet Hoyt Axton on the
set of Grimlins because Hoyt Axton his mom had written
Heartbreak Hotel.
Speaker 2: Right, that's right.
Speaker 1: So anyway, he did Adventures in Babysitting before Home Alone
ultimately materialized, and Heartbreak Hotel, which was kind of a
disappointing thing. And so this was kind of when Christmas
Vacation was out there. It was like, this may be
your last shot. Buddy. But then he gets home alone
and with a lower budget than Christmas Vacation, it rakes.
Speaker 2: It in, blows the floors off, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Mind blowing.
Speaker 2: How big that movie was, Oh yes, humongous. And then
ultimately he gets the Harry Potter movies.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, just talk about a million things that
he's done. But yeah, yes, absolutely, missus doubt fire nine months,
step mom.
Speaker 2: So in steps this guy named Jeremiah Chechnik. Now, then
I looked at his IMDb page. I don't know a
lot about this guy. He hadn't done very much. But
the one thing that stood out to me that he
had done one thing the music video for Van Halen's
when It's Love.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: To me, that was the biggest thing on his resume before.
Speaker 1: This, before this, yeah, right now, he did a few
movies after this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But to go from that to this.
Speaker 1: He did a couple movies after this. I mean, he's
done several things. He's still he's still right, he's still
making stuff. But our audience will be familiar with Benny
and June. Yeah. Well, I mean that was a huge
one for Johnny DApp Yes, and then he did this
movie called diabolic which he almost won the Worst Director
of the Year award for but lost out to Gus
van Zandt, who did the remake of Psycho.
Speaker 2: I believe it's Diabolique.
Speaker 1: You say so, buddy, Okay, I didn't getch that.
Speaker 2: That's okay. So when they went to John Hughes, he said,
you know what, guys, I'm kind of done with the
Griswold story and I'll do this third one. If we
can think of some idea that's really good, I'll sticker
out if it's really good. And to me, this kind
of tells how great of a writer he is, because
he forgets about Christmas fifty nine, like he's put out
all this stuff, and when he's kind of going through
his old stuff, he's like, oh, yeah, Christmas fifty nine. Yeah,
that's a good idea.
Speaker 1: Christmas fifty nine. By the way, just because we didn't
clarify it, that's the name of the story from National
Lampoon that came out in nineteen eighty. Yeah, I mean,
this is we're talking about eight years later when he's
looking at this. From what I understand, there were pages
coming in every day and they were doing a lot
of things on the fly. Now you talked about the
fact that Jeremiah Chechnik had only.
Speaker 2: Done Ben Halenalen.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Before that time, he had directed some commercials as well,
but I mean this was his first filming job. And
do you know what the first thing that they filmed
what it's the first scene in the movie where the
station wagon goes underneath the logger truck. And I mean,
can you imagine a harder scene to film on your
very first day? He was like, I was sure somebody
who's gonna die and this would be the end of
my career before it ever started. Yeah, But fortunately they
had a guy on set who was a fantastic stunt driver.
His name was Dick Zycker. Okay, they called him z Man,
but he was an absolute pro and he was just
able to go at the exact same speed slide that
car under there. And that first scene is so perfect,
because how are you going to have a driving scene
in a Christmas vacation movie that's supposed to take place
at the house of the Griswolds, right, sure, sure, well,
because they're driving out to get the treat, but you've
got to have that tie in. By the way, they
asked Lindsay Buckingham to write a song for this one,
and he was like, I don't want to be known
as the soundtrack for vacation guy.
Speaker 2: Well, it's the only vacation movie that doesn't have holiday
road in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: By the way, you talked about it, but that scene
was shot in Breckenridge, Colorado.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all of the scenes that they needed lots of
snow for they went and shot at Breckinridge because Breckenridge
always has snow early. Well, they come to Breckinridge, they
show up and no snow. Uh huh. So they're like,
oh crap, and so they have to make their own snow, right.
They make a lot of snow, and then as soon
as they get it all laid out, a snowstorm comes
in and it doesn't stop snowing the entire time that
they're there.
Speaker 2: You know, I've been to Breckridge and I've been to Chicago.
I've noticed that the Rocky Mountains are not in Chicago.
Speaker 1: We don't know how far they drove.
Speaker 2: Yes for The Grid World Family Christmas.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that kind of does it for the beginnings
of these movies. Let's talk about the casting, all right.
Speaker 2: So the cast of Scrooge is fantastic. You've got Bill
Murray's return. You've got Karen Allen, who we fell in
love with as Marion Ravenwood from Raiders of the Lost Stars.
Speaker 1: She's like a little like a little warm hug. Yeah,
she's just so pleasant, like she's a very different character
than Mary and Ravenwood, and she's got just a warm,
lovely smile.
Speaker 2: So now you've got John Forsyth as Lou Hayward. Yeah,
John Forsyth from Dynasty. Yes, this guy is awesome in
this movie. You've got to play this pretty well straight. Yeah,
And he's crusty and all he doesn't have any eyeballs
and he is dusty, dirty and pulled out of the
grave once again.
Speaker 1: The brilliance behind the comedy is to hire straight actors
for most of the part. That's right. Yeah, And I
got to say one of the guys that I don't
even think about until I watched this movie, but when
he comes on, he's just like this burst of energy
and he really engages the movie and is such a
great character. And that's John Glover playing Bryce Chris Cummings. Right. Yeah,
it's like my lacrosse coach used to tell me, there
is no I in team. That guy is brilliant. I
love him. He's funny.
Speaker 2: And then the just the subtle looks that Bill Murray
gives the camera and you know.
Speaker 1: They you would absolutely hate to be around this guy.
He plays the obnoxiously friendly guy. Would see. Let's talk
about Bobcat Goldthwaite for a second. Why did he have
only shaky stuff? Why don't you know that? Because that's
a character. His stand up guy was a character. And
this movie is our first opportunity to see Bobcat Goldthwaite
just being Bob. I thought he was perfect.
Speaker 2: He's a little bit scared, but he's you know, brave
enough to kind of take on the boss in a
few scenes, you know, Yeah, that scene when he's running
around the shotgun going you a better watch out?
Speaker 1: Hello wet.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's fantastic that the Ghost of Christmas Future
gets interrupted by bobcat Golf. Yeah that's right, right, I
mean he's louder Milk. Is his character's name, Ellie Loudermilk. Yeah,
he's supposed to be going like he's supposed to be
taking Bill Murray into this frightening termifying hell experience. But
he's like, oh, hold on, there's the shotgun here.
Speaker 2: I'll wait when Loudermilk gets fired. That scene was hilarious
because he's like, you know, I think you're a bit
off base right there. And he's like, fire that man immediately,
and they're like, but sir, it's Christmas. He's like, thank you,
call it county and cancel his bonus, right, and then
he watches from the telescope they toss him out on
his butt.
Speaker 1: He's like, he's laughing. Yeah, you hate this guy right
off the bat right four and a half minutes.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So we've already talked about David Johansson as
the Ghost of Christmas Past, even though he does a
fantastic job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm surprised he didn't do more stuff. He's
got a very character he face. I don't know why
he didn't do more. Honestly, maybe he's just living off
the royalties of Hot.
Speaker 2: Hot, Hot, probably, so he's probably embarrassed to see those
ridiculous weird ears that he has to wear in this movie,
or the teeth or the green teeth. Yeah, alright, but
Carol Caine as the Ghost of Christmas Present is my
absolute favorite character in this entire movie. Sometimes you have
to just to get that attention. Yeah, and I'm taking
on my buddy Jeff Johnson because he kind of was like, gosh,
she's so annoying. I'm like, yeah, but that's the whole point.
Speaker 1: She's supposed to be annoying. His crab.
Speaker 2: Absolutely so sweet that she makes your teeth shirt right right,
But the violence, of course that goes.
Speaker 1: I mean it's sweet mixed with violence. And that, by
the way, was how Richard Donner can miss her to
be in the part. He's like, this is gonna be
like Glinda the Good Witch, except she's extremely extremely violent.
It's like, oh, that sounds like a fantastic part to play.
And then Bill Murray tells her. He's like, I want
you to really hit me. I want you to really like,
don't hold back. Yeah, give it to me. And so
a lot of those scenes she's really smacking the crap
out of him. And you'll remember there's one part where
she grabs his bottom lip and like pulls it down.
Speaker 2: Yes, fine, slap me in the face, but you kicked
me in a wall.
Speaker 1: They had to stop filming because she basically ripped the
little tissue that holds the teeth the to the lip
off of Bill Murray for like four days they shut
down production. Yeah yeah, I mean there were a couple
that was that was the injury and screw huge. There
was another on Christmas Vacation. Chevy Chase is beating up
all of the Santa and the reindeer and all that.
When he punches the Santa. When you see him punch
the Santa, he breaks his pinky.
Speaker 2: Fever, I know. And then he improves where he karate
chops the antlers off and stuff. He wasn't supposed to
do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's He's like, well, my hand's hurt. I guess
I'll start kicking. Really.
Speaker 2: Carol Caine though, as the Glinda Goodwitch when she puts
that glitter X on his cheek and then the first
time I saw this, I could not stop laughing. She
beats the crap out of him.
Speaker 1: You cloth, I'm through well, and they've got the uh.
They got the other brothers of Bill Murray in this
movie as well. I don't know if there's another movie
where all four brothers are in the same thing, so
I think this is the only one. But the scene
where she's hitting where Carol Caine is hitting him with
the toaster, Like Joel Murray said, he thought, oh my gosh,
she's gonna hit him every time. He was like, she
was just barely missing him every time. But there's this
scene where she's doing little ballerina toes. She's working around. Yes,
she practiced four months to get the ballerina top point,
like really went to ballet classes to get this down.
And she got kind of upset because when she did it.
Richard Donner thought it was absolutely hysterical. Yes, so she's like,
I was trying to do the best that I could.
It's hilarious.
Speaker 2: Keep going. Yeah, she was awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was really good.
Speaker 2: Back to John, Joel and Brian Murray real quick. So,
Brian Doyle Murray, you've seen him a million things, Wayne's World,
Caddie Shack Vacation. We already talked about him. Of course,
Bill Murray has been and everything.
Speaker 1: John Murray was in an.
Speaker 2: Eighties classic, Moving Violations, which I love. It's kind of
like a police Academy type of movie. Okay, John Murray
is the star of that movie, Moving Violation.
Speaker 1: Okay. So John Murray is the Mark Harmon to Steve
Gutenberg's Kevin cost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pretty much, pretty much.
Speaker 1: I don't even know. That's a complicated math, right there.
Speaker 2: Joel Murray was in One Crazy Summer with Bobcat Goldway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right there, you go.
Speaker 2: Some connections to some eighties classics.
Speaker 1: There, all right, who else? We've got some big hitter
actors in this one. You've already mentioned John Forthscyth, but
we also have Robert Mitchum.
Speaker 2: Robert freaking Mitcham.
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, talk about an icon. I mean, he's
There are too many movies to mention. One of my
favorites is Cape Fear, but he is an icon of
the early twentieth century movies, and here he comes in
as this kind of ridiculous executive who wants to do
programming for cats. As it turns out, yeah, this is
actually a prediction of the future. The Roku has programming
that is specifically designed for your pets, ladies and gentlemen.
If you want to entertain your dog or your cat
while you're away from the house, Roku has a channel
for that.
Speaker 2: Yes, Robert Mitcham. And in fact, I was going to
tell you when Quinn and I this My son and
I watched this last night together. I wanted to kind
of gauge his reaction to it. He laughed out loud
at the end when Bill Murray's you know the finale
where he kind of takes over the Christmas Carol and
he starts improving and saying, you know, the Christmas Miracle,
when we can do this, and Robert Mitcham's character is
really mad and he turns around and hauls off and
kicks his cat. He just takes this big old kick
and yeah, yeah, you know, my son thought that part
was hilarious, so very good. It's very fun, Robert Mitcham. Funny. Okay,
you talked about Aufrey Woodard, you talked about John Glover.
I want to bring up Mary Ellen Traynor. Mary Ellen
Traynor is the woman that you see that Bill Murray's
trying to kind of sweet talk into bed maybe.
Speaker 1: Right whenever the grandmother dies from Bill Murray's Commershall. She's
the one who's showing him the lines and he's like,
this is great. This is You can see her starting
to massage his shoulders and him kind of giving her
the eye or whatever. But yeah, we've talked about her
a few times.
Speaker 2: So she has been in a lot of other Richard
Daughter movies. She was in Gooney she played the mom
and Goonies.
Speaker 1: Right, Yep, she's the mom and Goonies. She's the psychiatrist
in Lethal Way.
Speaker 2: Yes, she also plays with the newscaster in Diehard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah, she was.
Speaker 2: Married to Robert Zemeckis. She was in Romance in The Stone.
She's the sister that got hit by the Boomerang rocks
that they were trying to rescue from Bolivia's right, that's right.
The last guy I want to talk about is this
guy named Michael J. Pollard.
Speaker 1: Perfect, That's where I was gonna go, Okay, okay, what
you got No, So, Michael J. Pollard is the guy
who you will remember from this movie. He's one of
the guys who thinks that Bill Murray is Richard Burt. Okay,
when they he's one of the homeless guys. Bill Murray
shows up at the homeless shelter, He's like, say one
of the lines like it's and then said, as Bill
Murray is leaving, he's like, hey, Richard, can you give
me two dollars so I can turn my heat back on?
And then a little later on we see him down
in like a little sewer area and he's frozen to death, right, Yes,
that he's just he's got a very cherubim face. You know,
he's just got this very pleasing little and his eyes
are frozen open, just like just like Julie at Lewis
and Christmas Vacation. And it was interesting to me that
in the old Superboy series, he's the guy that plays
mister Mitch Mitchel plick. Oh really, and he's perfect. He's
got the perfect hair. He's gonna be the perfect And
we have another podcast, ladies and gentlemen called Podcast Full
of Kryptonite where we talk about Superman and Lois, the
TV series that's on the CW. You should go check
that out. But I maintain that's a character that needs
to show up in that series. Mister missile, mister mitchle Plack. Yeah, Okay,
one more guy I want to talk about real quick
Jack McGhee. Okay, he's the guy who.
Speaker 2: Says I can barely see them nipples improved.
Speaker 1: He improvably, right, yeah, and Bill.
Speaker 2: Murray right after him. He's like, see and these guys
are really trying. Yeah, that guy has been in some
other Dnner movies as well. Okay, he was in Lethal
Weapon too. He's the guy who's shooting the nail gun
that Murta uses later to nail and bull.
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go, there you go. All right. So
there are a ton of cameos in this one, especially
because of the Christmas Carol, which they're calling Scrooge. By
the way, they don't ever say the Christmas Carol or
a Christmas Carol, they say Scrooge. And so you've got
Buddy Hackett's Scrooge. You've got Jamie Farr as one of
the go oh no, he's Jacob Marley in that one, right,
And then you've got some other cameos. You've got Robert
Goulay a Cajun Christmas yes. And you've got Lee Majors
in the Night the Reindeer Died. I would watch the
Lee Majors been a good Boy this year. And you
got John Houseman as the narrator, who I knew from
the paper Chase when I was a kid, influence on
my desire to become an attorney. But when I saw
the movie this time, and I saw Grace's mom, right,
Grace is the secretary her mom, I'm like I know
that lady. Okay, that actress is Mabel King, and she
was in a TV series called What's Happening, which I
remembered her from that, but you will probably remember her
as the mom from The Jerk. I made a sandwich
for you, wrapped it in cell a phane, just like
you like.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh awesome another Saturday nightye play.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay this. A ton of fantastic cameos throughout
this one, and I don't I'm sure we've mentioned maryly written,
but Mary le Retten as Mary lou Ratten. Don't forget
the Solid Gold Dancers. Oh my gosh. By the way,
just in a weird coincidence, Solid Gold was canceled the
same year that this movie came out.
Speaker 2: This is the last time we ever see the Solid
Gold Dancer, and.
Speaker 1: Man, they did a heck of a performance in it.
I gotta say, you could hardly even see them nipples and.
Speaker 2: I was really trying, I was really try. Actually the
kiss that Bill Murray has with the Solid Gold Dancer
under the mistletoe, yes, improut.
Speaker 1: She did a good job with that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah she's grabbing his nicktime. Yeah, okay, were ready to
flip back to the cast of Christmas Vacation.
Speaker 1: Let's do it all right, Oh my gosh, what an
all star lineup we have for such a small cast.
Speaker 2: I know, right, you're gonna have to help me understand
the magnitude of some of these older actors. Okay, sure,
all right, So let's start off. I mean you have
to have Chevy Chase as Clark w Griswold.
Speaker 1: I mean you can't change the family members. Oh wait,
wait a minute.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes you can't.
Speaker 1: Actually, so weird that every single time, not only are
they different actors, but they're different ages.
Speaker 2: Like it's very weird, and they reverse, you know, like I.
Speaker 1: Think they even mentioned Rusty in this episode as being
in the Navy, as though there's a Russ and a Rusty.
I don't and Bethany is just confused. It's all very weird.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you got Chevy Chase as you know, Sparky.
Speaker 1: Clark w was Griswold. I cannot tell you how many
times in my household, not in any inappropriate way, I've
said almost there, I'm gonna go for it, wild animals.
Speaker 2: And then you have Beverly DiAngelo as Ellen Griswold. She's back.
Speaker 1: I believe she was the first set of movie boobies
I ever saw.
Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned she was not very old.
Speaker 2: She was twenty nine when she did the first Vacation movie. Yeah,
and she's supposed to be the mother of like fifteen
to sixteen year olds.
Speaker 1: Right. I can see Beverly Angelo getting busy a little
bit early on Majors. Yeah, Majors. Yeah, she's sexy.
Speaker 2: Yep. Then you have Juliette Lewis as Audrey Griswold.
Speaker 1: Right now, Juliet Lewis. I didn't realize this until later.
Have you seen every which way of Loose? Yes? I
have the guy who's in that as Clint Eastwood's kind
of sidekick guy. Yes, her dad. I knew that. Yes. Yeah.
So in this one, we've got John Galecki as Rusty.
He's little thirteen year old kid in this one, despite
the fact that he was older than the other ones. Right,
and this is his first movie comedy scenario. I mentioned
earlier that Chevy Chase was kind of pointing at him
and feeding him lines. There's the one part where he's
like He's like, we checked every bull right, and he's like, yeah,
so maybe we should go. Oh, I gotta get to bed.
I gotta feed the hog. Yeah, ghost through all that,
those were all ad little lines that chevy Chase had
given him. And if you'll notice, he pulls his sleeve
back and he looks at his wrist as though there's
a watch there, and there's no watch there, which is
a classic chevy Chase bit. So he totally fed him
all of that wonderful which, of course, now John Glecky
goes on to be one of the major cast members
in The Big Bang Theory, which is a huge comp
it is.
Speaker 2: Yes, I saw an interview with him and they said
that his friends several years later they like, so you
were in that movie with Juliet Lewis. He's like yeah,
and they're like, do you make out with her?
Speaker 1: I was twelve.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't make out with her. She barely knew
I existed.
Speaker 1: She was into older guys, god younger. Yes.
Speaker 2: By the way, Juliet Lewis natural born killers California huge.
I mean, she's been in tons of stuff, tons of stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glacky. Also, I remember him from Roseanne. He
was the one of the boyfriends that's Roseanne.
Speaker 2: Okay, Diane Ladd plays Nora Griswold, that's Clark's mom.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now she's classic Hollywood actress.
Speaker 1: Yes, she was in Chinatown, she was in Wild at Heart.
Speaker 2: She's been a ton of stuff. So she's good friends
with Shirley McLean.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So Diane Ladd had gone on and married this doctor
and they moved to Florida, and Shirley McLean calls her
and says.
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Why are you not in Hollywood.
Speaker 2: She's like, well, I'm married to this guy and we're
living in Florida. Plus, there's no good roles for me
in Hollywood anymore. Okay, And Shirley mcclan's like, get your
butt back to Hollywood right now. There's tons of great
stuff for you. You're too good an actress to be
hiding out in Florida.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: So she said fine, So she went back to Hollywood
and that's when she landed this role.
Speaker 1: Wow, she's in movies that are coming out right now
this year.
Speaker 2: She plays Clark's mom and she's only like six years
older than Chevy Chase.
Speaker 1: Then we have a couple of big hitters. We've got E. G. Marshall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, then, yeah.
Speaker 1: He was. He is a monster. And what was that
We've talked about another movie that he was in. What
did we talk about?
Speaker 2: He was the president in Superman one and two.
Speaker 1: That's right, that is right. Go check out our Superman
one and two versus Man of Steel episode. But yeah,
I had forgotten about that. Yeah, he plays the president.
And of course classic I mean, brilliant actor again, big
twenty century actor.
Speaker 2: By the way, Go ahead, Superman directed by Richard donnerd
there you go. Then we've got Doris Roberts who plays Francis.
She's hysterical. You've seen her in a million things. She's
always going to be Ray's mom from Everybody Less Raymond,
right right, she is the freaking funniest in that in
that TV show. I don't think she really gets to
shine in Christmas Vacation as much as she does. And
everybody loves Raymond.
Speaker 1: Well, she has the fantastic part where she faints with
the squirrel. Hysterical. Yes, And then we have the return
of cousin Eddie himself, mister Randy Quaid Eddie.
Speaker 2: If I woke up tomorrow with my head's on to
the clipt I would not be as surprised as as am.
Speaker 1: Right now. I can still remember hearing that line for
the first time and I could not stop like it
was so well placed, so brilliant, loved loved it. Now
here's a deep cut for you. Are you ready? Yeah? Yeah, okay,
So gene Autry has a song in this one. Here
comes down clas Randy Quaid's grandfather. Is gene Autry's cousin? Really, okay?
And the only reason I know that is because I
watched the audio commentary and he's like, oh yeah, gene Autry, there,
that's my third cousin. And he's They're like, what makes
it a third cousin? He's like, is my grandfather's cousin?
How about that?
Speaker 2: That's cool?
Speaker 1: Right? And then of course also the return of Miriam Flynn,
who plays cousin Eddie's wife, cousin.
Speaker 2: Catherine Kevin Catherine. Just the chemistry between those two is
so good. When he's kind of pinching our button stuff,
He's like, don't forget the rubber sheets and the gerbils.
That's a throwaway line that you can barely hear. It's brilliant,
and she just rolls with it, just for whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, it is. It's really hysterical. And she
this is the thing that she pointed out. They're watching
the movie as they do the commentary, and she's like, oh,
he's got a Tasmanian there's a Tasmanian Devil cup. And
I'm like, so, Sister Clark drinking out of this cup? Right.
She was the voice of Taz's mom in the Tasmanian
Devil series that was on back in the whatever it was.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a Marty Moose cup, by.
Speaker 1: The way, not that cup when he's in the office.
When he's seen in the office all the guys march in,
he's drinking out of a Tasmanian double cup.
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, cool, cool.
Speaker 1: Okay, Way, first Christmas that we had at my office
party about everybody Marty the Moose cups. Nice.
Speaker 2: Nice. I saw them on sale Target the other day.
By the way, in this movie, you have the infamous
actress from the movie Troll that I just watched the
other day, which was terrible. Okay, Julia Louise Dreyfuss.
Speaker 1: Okay, you mentioned that she was super hot back then, yes, yeah,
and she had been in Saturday Night Live at this point.
She's obviously got brilliant comedic timing still looks really good,
and this one looks great. It's almost like they've got
a separate movie going on for those two, and I
love it. The guy who plays her husband is a
guy named Nicholas Guest. Okay, you probably have heard of
his brother, Christopher Guests. Oh yeah, I have waiting for Guffman.
He's the six fingered man in Princess Bride, I mean
spinal tap. Also married to Jamie Lee Curtis, by the way,
So good job him, Yeah for him. Yeah, he's doing
great there. So his brother, Nicholas Guest is the guy
who plays Todd. And how many times in your life
do you say, why is the carpet weed Todd?
Speaker 2: I don't know, Margo, It's it is.
Speaker 1: A thing that we go to routinely every year.
Speaker 2: Okay, we also have to bring up William Hickey as
Lewis Griswold.
Speaker 1: Dude, an acting icon. Was a teacher for a ton
of great actors, but really just kind of did it
for the love of the game. I mean he would
give acting lessons for five dollars, but brilliant actor. He
was twenty years younger than Aunt Bethany whenever he's playing
this part, but nails that. It was originally that part
was supposed to be George Burns, so you can see
that with the stogies and the wig and all that
other stuff. He totally nails that despite the fact that
he was a much younger I think he was maybe
not even quite sixty, I mean, very very young guy
playing this part.
Speaker 2: But he has some of the best lines in the movie, yeah,
where he's like, you couldn't hear a dump truck drive
through a nitro glycerin plant?
Speaker 1: Yes? The blessing Yes.
Speaker 2: And then, of course we have Aunt Bethany played by
may Questal.
Speaker 1: May Questaal, who was the original Betty Boop and also
the original Olive Oil. Holy crap, talk about a resume here.
Speaker 2: I knew she was Betty, but I didn't know she
was Olive Oil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously she's passed on since then, but man,
all of her scenes are iconic in this In.
Speaker 2: This way, Grace died thirty years ago.
Speaker 1: Oh did I pass When? Did the room clear out?
Speaker 2: So funny? Okay, and one more person we got to
talk about, Yeah, Nicolette Scorsese.
Speaker 1: Not related to Martin Scorsese. Yeah, but I don't care.
Speaker 2: I don't either.
Speaker 1: I just have to think. For the casting process for
this movie, they had to go, can we see your
hip exactly? And she had the perfect hip. She could
barely even see the lines, can even see the lions?
Speaker 2: Yes, Hey, you know something funny that I'm going to
be the dummy here for a second.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It took me a few viewings to realize that the
girl working in the retail lingerie part of the store
where she's showing her underwear to Clark, she's the pool girl.
It's the same girl.
Speaker 1: Oh, Jason, Oh my gosh. There's just some things that
you can't say out loud. This goes back to our
Rio episode all over again. I'm not even going to
revisit that. How did you not know that that was
the same girl.
Speaker 2: I just thought she was another girl in a red
baby same.
Speaker 1: My gosh, my guy, my guy. I don't know what
to say about that. We better move on.
Speaker 2: She wasn't wearing lingeride.
Speaker 1: She threw me off. I was looking at her face.
I was looking at cousin Eddie there for a second. Yeah.
Speaker 2: If I know, father, he's out there. Jason Bieber, Okay,
do you have any more?
Speaker 1: Nope, that's it. Okay, So there's one more name that
I got to mention. This is kind of you could
easily glaze over this one, but it's it's just worth
worth mentioning. Okay, Okay, maybe just because of this random
movie trivia. The boss's wife, right, yes, okay, played by
Natalia Nogolish, Yes you can kind of heargolis. I tell
you the goolis? Was that something that I missed?
Speaker 2: Maybe she was related to the guy who did Caroll
the bells but keep going no, okay.
Speaker 1: Not even one similar letter.
Speaker 2: Okay, then al okay.
Speaker 1: To tell you to Gulich. Okay, So she's the wife, right,
and he's like, you know, I was thinking about not
doing bonuses this year, and she's like.
Speaker 2: Oh you didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. That actress provided the voice for mon Mathma
in the radio adaptation of Return of the Jedi.
Speaker 2: Okay, that is a random bit of trivia.
Speaker 1: But I saw it and I was like, well, I
miss what we do here at the Shirley Podcast.
Speaker 2: Mathma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: That is fantastic.
Speaker 1: Yep. Okay, guys, that is going to do it. For
part one of this comparison, We will be back next
week for part two, where we will give you the
production and the reception of the movies, and we'll give
you our final judgal judgment on which one of these
movies is the best.
Speaker 2: Come back next week. It's gonna be a lot of fun.
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Speaker 1: You can see what we look like exactly.
Speaker 2: We did have somebody, our friend Amanda said that she
had us switched.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Another person that we've never met before
commented on our YouTube page and she's like, you guys
looked nothing like I thought you did. Okay, well, we
didn't scare you off.
Speaker 2: That's not what I heard. I heard. You guys looked
freaking awesome.