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Speaker 1: It's that time time. Hello everybody, and welcome to the

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Shirley You Can't Be Serious Podcast. This is d Graves.

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I'm here with my friend Jason Colvin. I've got my

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vodka poisoned by Chernobyl with a splash of tab in

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my Marty the Moose cup, and Jason is here with

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Speaker 2: Okay, before we get started, let's go through our our

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Christmas list, right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is a Christmas episode.

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Speaker 2: Let's go through our Christmas list. All right, so we

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got uh, we got Blame Peterson, Tale, David Right, Tal,

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Jay's Buckley, Howell, Addie Aichina vcr. Hey, most of these

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are towels. What we love, our patriots. We're just we.

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Speaker 1: We would love to have you here, have our own

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Manson family style Christmas here at the Shirly Podcasts. Hopefully

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next year we can make that happen.

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because we've got some great episodes on our Patreon page

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Speaker 1: Hey, it's Christmas time. If you guys want to give

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Jason and I a gift for Christmas, maybe just say, hey,

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we're going to give these guys five bucks a month,

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and in return, we give them more podcasts, we give

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's cool, right, twenty.

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Speaker 1: First century Kevin. Great, that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: By the way, we still have our Stranger Things socks

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we definitely do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, go check those things out and make sure

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Speaker 2: And I can barely see them nipples And he's really loud.

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Speaker 1: This is going to be a clote fest. Okay, Jason.

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Before we go any further, do you know what season

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it is? It's Christmas season, It's World Cup season. I

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was extremely disappointed at the turnout at the bar for

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World Cup in Shawnee, Oklahoma. It turns out it's not

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a really big thing in some of the smaller rural areas,

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but for the rest of the world, it's huge. It's

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the biggest sporting event of the year and one of

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the teams. The first time I watched the World Cup,

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the winning team was a team from Germany. The German

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name for the team is interesting. Are you ready? You

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Speaker 1: Let's just say that Germany for this particular World Cup

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was unable to penetrate the box. Here's what I think

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the problem was. They had trouble with their balls. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Put your balls on the world stage.

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Speaker 1: Whack it way. We have got Scrooged with mister Bill Murray,

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and we've got Christmas Vacation with mister Chevy Chase. Where

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are we gonna put it? Podcast? This big bend over

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and I'll show you. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: You t that up nicely for me.

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Speaker 1: All right, So we need to jump into these two

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movies because there's just chock full of stuff. Yeah, and

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so I don't want to talk anymore. I just want

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to do it. Let's jump in right now. Let's start

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off with Scrooged. Okay, sure, Scrooged came out in eighty eight.

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Christmas Vacation came out in eighty nine, that's correct. Okay, Yeah,

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so we've got Scrooged came out first, and this was

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Bill Murray's return, and this is based on a Christmas

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Carol by Charles Dickens. Right, and I think that our

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normal listeners would expect me to go back to Charles

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Dickens' day. I was waiting for you were waiting for that, right,

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going to go back to October third, nineteen twenty six,

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so almost that far, okay, okay, all right, okay, So

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October third, if you'll remember, that's my birthday. It was

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about nineteen twenty six, half a century or so before

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I was born. But anyway, another guy was born that

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day named Marty Simmons.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Marty Simmons grows up early twenties, gets a job as

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a newspaper reporter in New York City and his one

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of his main beats is to cover restaurants. And so

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this group of business investors comes to him and said, hey,

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we have got this idea where if you've got a

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membership to the club, you can just pay with credit.

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You don't have to use cash. And he's like, yeah,

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I'm not really, I'm a cash guy. I don't need

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to do that, and like, we'll cut you in on

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the business. He's like, okay, tell me what you want

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to do. And so he went to several of these restaurants,

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got them to agree to this thing, and Marty Simmons,

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in February of nineteen fifty was the first person in

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the world to use a credit card.

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Speaker 2: Really yes, okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: Now, Marty is a guy with many talents. He wrote

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obviously as a journalist. He started this business that they

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called the Diners Club. One of the founding members of

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the Diners Club, and about twenty five years later he

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gets involved with a publishing company called National Lampoon.

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Speaker 2: Get out of Town.

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Speaker 1: Marty Simmons is one of the key members of the

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National Lampoon organization. He was part of the National Lampoon Players.

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He was involved in that business. He expanded them to radio,

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to television, and of course to movies. And he was

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a part of National Lampoon Animal House, the original National

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Lampoon Vacation, and of course Christmas Vacation as well. Uh huh,

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didn't you did say that? Now I mentioned he was

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one of the guys that was with the National Lampoon Players. Well,

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one day one of those players comes up to him

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and he's the he's the business and they're like, hey,

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you know, I gotta go. I can't keep working here.

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I gotta go do something else. And he's like, well,

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we don't have an understudy for you. You can't just leave.

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my younger brother he's really good. You should just use him.

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He's upstairs working at the radio anyway. And then guy's like, huh,

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I guess I mean can he act? And he goes like, well,

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let me have him audition for you and you'll see. Well,

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the guy that was leaving was Brian Doyle Murray and

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the guy that came in was mister Bill Murray. And

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that is how Bill Murray got his start at National Lampoon.

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I am coming at me. You know my whole night

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so nicely, So Brian Doral Murray. I was gonna bring

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this up later when we talked about casting. Yeah, he's

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in both of these movies. He is in both of

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these movies. He was in the original National Lampoon Vacation.

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Lampoon folks. Yes, yes, including Bill Murray, Chevy Chase. Yeah,

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I mean it was it's all a fests there by

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the way, go check out our Caddyshack versus Happy Gilmour episode.

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which are fun.

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Speaker 1: Go check that episode out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so just a little bit more on Brian Dole Murray.

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Speaker 1: You bring him up. He was lou in Caddy Shack.

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Speaker 2: Huh, what's that? I say that? No fighting, But he

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plays mister Shirley Clark's boss and Christmas Vacation. He also

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plays Frank Cross's dad and Scrooged.

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Speaker 1: But listen to this.

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Speaker 2: In Vacation he plays the guy who rintsed them tense

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in Durango, Colorado. Yeah, same actor, different characters in the

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Vacation trilogy quadrilogy.

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Speaker 1: Yeahever it might be. Yeah, And there are several throwbacks

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in Scrooge to some of those old movies, not the

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least of which is Bill Murray taking a drink and

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this is right after he's seen the ghost and he

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opens his mouth and a golf ball comes out. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would say that there's even more like

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current event type of mentions in Scrooged. Yeah, I mean

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you got Mary lou Retten, Yeah, you got Jamie Farr, Yeah,

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you got Buddy Whackett, Buddy hack It, Yes, you've got

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was it Alfalfa or spanking, and then you've got Bill

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Murray specifically saying that his vodka was poisoned by Chernobyl. Yep,

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so a lot of fun references for eighties kids who

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Speaker 1: You know, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I watched it with my son last night. He thought

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it was hilarious. He didn't have any idea who Mary

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Speaker 1: Oh, did you know what Chernobyl was? Well, that's good,

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that's good. There you go. Okay, So screw starts off

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with a guy who was in the original skit for

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Saturday Night Live. Okay, not John Belushi, Yeah, the other guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, tell me about that.

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Speaker 1: So very first skit, it's this cold open Saturday Night Live.

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John Belushi plays this foreign guy who seems to be

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going in for some language lessons, and the guy who's

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given them the language lessons is telling him some of

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the weirdest phrases.

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Speaker 2: I am going to feed your fingertips to the wolverines.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to feed our fingertips to the wolverines. Yes,

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and then this guy has a heart attack, falls over

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and dies, and John Belushi, thinking this is part of

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the lesson, also has a heart attack and falls over

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the guys, Yes he does. Chevy Chase comes out as

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a stage manager and is the first one to say

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live from New York, it's Saturday Night. The guy who's

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playing the language teacher is a guy who's a writer

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for the show. He had come from National Lampoon and

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it's a guy named Michael o'donahue. Okay, as we were,

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you know, as we do, as we text our Patreon friends,

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David writes like, I hope you talk about this guy. So, David,

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I'm sorry to not read the Saturday Night Live book

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that you have, but I can tell you that this

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guy had this idea back in the early eighties, maybe

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even back into the seventies, of doing another comedy dark

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style of a Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens. Okay, I

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mean he wanted to scare the dickens out of people.

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Nobody gets that joke. Nobody gets me. Okay. So he

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writes this script. He shows it to Bill Murray. Later on,

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Bill Murray's like, it's not so good. And then things happen,

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you know, Saturday Night Left becomes big. Michael o'donahue has

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writing jobs that he continues to do. Then Ghostbusters happens,

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and Bill Murray is huge, right, and he decides to

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does very poorly. And so he is in this situation

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where he's got this outrageous fame. All of a sudden

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he's suddenly getting panned by the critics for this serious

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movie that he's done, and he basically decides to go

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into hiding. And after four years of being in hiding,

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not doing a single movie except a really small part

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in a movie called Little Shop of Horrors, which is fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Movie by his cameo is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's great. He plays the masochistic patient of the

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Steve Martin Dennis. Yes, absolutely brilliant. And by the way,

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in case I forget it, it comes up at the

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end of Scrooged a little part when he's doing when

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he's doing his little weird you know ad lib, he says,

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feed me seed more right at the end of the movie.

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Speaker 2: Quick question for you, Yes, have you ever seen Ghostbusters?

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Speaker 1: Have you seen? Yes?

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Speaker 2: How many times? Million times?

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Speaker 1: A bunch?

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Speaker 2: How many times you've seen razeis Age zero times. I've

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never seen racists, never seen.

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Speaker 1: Rach I would watch it I'm curious to see what

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a pil curious, serious piece would be.

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I've never got around to it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, another side note, just throw it over to Christmas

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Vacation real quick. Jonathan Johnny Gilicky Yeah believe is how

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you pronounced his last name? Yeah? Yeah, thirteen years old,

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first comedy he's ever done, first big picture that he's

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ever done. He said that chevy Chase would like point

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at him for when he was supposed to say his line, right, Yeah,

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he's supposed to, you know, and he was just he

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and he appreciated. He's like I was thirteen, I didn't

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know comic timing, and Chevy Chase was a master at

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comic timing. Right. He has shown it to him, and

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chevy Chase kind of took him under his wing. They'd

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Speaker 2: Yes, one of the funniest lines in the movie.

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also they go and visit the set of Ghostbusters too. Really, yeah,

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that's fantastic. There are all kinds of ties in this movie,

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and we usually do this at the beginning, we talk

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about the various ties. Yeah, and obviously we've got Brian

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Speaker 2: We talked about this in our Diehard Versus Lethal Weapon episode.

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entire movie is shot in la and it's snowy and

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looks like Chicago. That's movie magic. Todd and Margo obviously

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and four. Yes, it's Todd and Margo's house is also

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Speaker 1: Right, So why is that important? Because Richard Donner, the

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director of Lethal Weapon, is also the guy who directed Scrooged.

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Speaker 2: That's good. That's good. By the way, I gotta throw

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this for those of you who like our stuff and

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follow us or whatever. We have covered Ghostbusters two with

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lot of fun. Go over there and check them out.

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Speaker 1: Guys. I just got to say, some of those episodes

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that we've done with those guys are some of my favorites,

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especially the Ghostbusters two And that was our first one

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together and we got done with that one was like,

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that was fantastic. Yeah, those guys are great. I mean,

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it was just a very very enjoyable experience to do

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that podcast. Please go check out, go subscribe a film

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Speaker 2: By the way, I've got one more connection between these

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two movies that want to bring up. Okay it's a

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small one though, Okay, but since we're making broad connections,

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so in Scrooge, Yes, Bill Murray's secretary, her name is Grace.

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Speaker 1: Oh what Grace? She died thirty years ago, blasting yes,

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that actress is from Tulsa, Oklahoma with Juffy she is

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from Tulsa. That he did not know that not the

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Betty Boop actress the Woodard Yeah yeah, yeah, Oklhoma.

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Speaker 2: How about that.

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Speaker 1: You guys may have passed in the street and you

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So back to Michael o'donahue. He is a hot tempered

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He's a strange dude, right, He's a strange dude. When

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we were talking text wise, I was like, Okay, this

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guy has had zero successful films other than this film. Like,

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he's got scrooged, he's got all of the Saturday Night

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Live stuff. But he did write a little movie called

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tar Zoom, which is an X rated cartoon from the

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mid seventies. Oh my gosh. Yeah, my Google search history

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has to be deleted after we do some of these research.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, so Michael donahue has written the script. Bill Barry

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wasn't interested. But now, four years after his time Ghostbusters,

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with just a brief cameo in the Little Shop of

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fourst He's like, you know what, that movie sounds interesting again,

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let me see it. Oh, I forgot. There's one more

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cameo that you probably don't remember because it wasn't in

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a movie. It was in a video, and it was

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a video by a guy we in the eighties knew

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as Buster Poindexter.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Now. If you're if you're maybe ten years twenty years

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older than us, you might remember this guy as the

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lead singer for the New York Dolls.

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Speaker 2: David Johansson, Buster Poindexter, Same guy, same guy.

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Speaker 1: This is loungejack. Personality is Buster Poindexter, and you will remember,

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probably most prominently, no matter what age you are, his

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rendition of the song Hot Hot, Hot Hot. By the way,

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he calls this the bane of his existence because it's

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like karaoke and all of the other it's just like,

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h I'm just so sorry I did the song. Now,

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he probably made a bajillion dollars from doing the song,

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but I sent you the video last night, and I

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was like, check out who shows up at one minute

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and fifty seven seconds in.

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Speaker 2: Mister Bill Murray.

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Speaker 1: Mister Bill freaking Murray shows up And there's his other

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cameo before this movie. Now, as it turns out, I'm

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just kinda learned this today, Buster Poindexter David Johansson. He

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has the part of Christmas Past in this movie. Right, Well,

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that wasn't originally supposed to go to him. This is

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mind blowing the actor that it was supposed to go to.

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And just just close your eyes and imagine this, if

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you will. It was supposed to go to mister Sam Kennison.

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Can you imagine perfect I can see it. I can

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definitely see it. And I think that David Johanson did

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a fantastic job with it. I mean he's a very

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and he's a guy from New York. Something makes sense.

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it's a little it would be a different, different character

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entirely Sam Kennison.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tulsa, Oklahoma. Yeah, by the way, and that makes

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more sense when you look at the broad picture.

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Speaker 1: You've got a.

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Speaker 2: Big comedian, Bill Murray, You've got Bobcat Goldthwaite, you know,

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plugged in to carry the comedic weight, right.

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Speaker 1: Well, Sam Kennison was really upset that he didn't get

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this part, and then when his buddy Bobcat Goldthwaite gets

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a part in the movie, he's even more for us.

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Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, I didn't hear that story. Yeah, let's back

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up for just a second. Yeah, Bill Murray, when you

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said he was hiding out, he was in France, like

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living in Paris. He thought about giving up acting altogether.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: When I think about that, I'm like, Okay, Bill Murray

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was hotter than hot. In fact, I read a note

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that said when they were building the idea of doing Scrooge,

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they said, there's two guys that can carry this movie.

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They paid Bill Murray six million dollars to do this.

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The only other person at the time that was hot

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enough to handle this Eddie Murphy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was doing his own thing with Harlem Knights.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we would have missed out on what about

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Bob Ghostbusters two? The ed Wood character. That's hilarious, Just

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a lot of parts that Bill Murray. It was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Inn Just just keep in mind that six million dollar figure.

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For the time, he made more money than the director,

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the rest of the cast and the writers combined. Wow.

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So originally slated to direct was Sidney Pollock, okay, who

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had worked with Bill Murray before, but it was in

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TUTSI oh, yeahmates, he's the roommate. Sidney Pollack directed that movie,

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but I don't remember what the reason was. But Sidney

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Pollack had to bow out, and so they went with

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another big director up and coming. Really but I mean,

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he had done Superman, he had done the Omen and

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he was he had done Goonies, he had done Goonies

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and Leith the Weapon and Leath the Weapon, which at

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that point, I don't know that anybody really had the

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idea who he was with Lethal Weapon. I mean it

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was like, I think he got that job before Lethal

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Weapon had exploded onto the scene like it had. But

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he gets slated to direct and he's a little unsure.

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He's like, I've never done a comedy before. I mean,

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obviously Lethal Weapon has its comedic moments, but not a

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full blown comedy like this one is. But I gotta

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say he knocked it out of the park. His comedy

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in this movie, with the timing of like the very

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unsettling zombie scenes and you know, mice coming out of

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people's skulls and followed up by something that's absolutely hysterical,

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is brilliant, Absolutely brilliant. Richard Donner can do all the

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comedies he wants to do.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, I'm glad that you touched on that

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because you take a super funny improv, you know, Second

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City type performance by Bill Murray, and you add some

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really cool special effects dangling him outside the window, and

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then the Christmas futures the skeleton with the guys running

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around his body. You know, we watched him Quinn Quinn's like,

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whoa dude.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I happen to see the Japanese poster

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for this particular movie. Yeah, and it's got a picture

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of Bill Murray down at the bottom and it's like

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there's a laser coming out of his hand, like he's

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Emperor Palipatine or something, and it's zooming up to the

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sky where it's like the ghules that are in the

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chest of Christmas future. Like it's not at all related

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to the movie. It's just kind of this weird take.

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And then there's another one from Australia where it's got

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like the three ghosts up above him and he's still

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smoking the cigar. But the tagline is basically now it's

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Bill Murray against three ghosts, which is obviously a Ghostbuster's reference.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about that. Since you brought it up, I'm

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gonna go ahead and say this. Yeah, the poster for

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the movie scrooged and the poster for movie Christmas Vacation

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to the worst in the eighties. I hate them both, really, yes,

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tell me why. On Scrooge, you got Bill Murray's giant

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face and he's making this goofy look and his hair's

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crazy and it's drawn, it's not a picture, and he's

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lighting a cigar that's being lit by a skilled just bad.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't tell you anything about the movie at all,

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and it's not particularly engaging.

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Speaker 2: No, and it's just it's just a draw. I mean,

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it's like somebody drew it, you know, and somebody an

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art class, you know, and second semester.

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Speaker 1: Right, well, and the one for Christmas Vacation looks even

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more construct Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now you compare that to the original of a vacation

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poster where he's you know, it's got Christy Brinkley and

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Beverly D'Angelo and he's kind of muscled up and he

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looks like a champion. You know.

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Speaker 2: And then you have a second semester art student in

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charge of this one. It looks terrible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, two portly done posters for two great movies.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I saw an alternate poster for Christmas

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Vacation in Europe. I don't really get this, okay, so

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let me paint this picture for you. So it's Christmas Vacation.

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He's being shocked by Christmas lights and he's wearing a

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: In this European poster I saw, it's called Holiday Vacation,

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no Santa get up, and he's just wearing like a coat.

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It's it's the weirdest thing. He's still getting shocked. It

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just they changed his clothes and it's really weird. Okay.

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So back to Richard Donner for a second. Yeah, I

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thought this was really interesting. He had some complimentary things

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to say about Bill Murray, says one of the most

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creative guys he's worked with, but he's off the rails.

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He's difficult to direct.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: When you ask Bill Murray his experience in this movie,

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he say it was a misery the entire time, and

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00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,000
he and Donner disagreed about everything all the time, constantly.

465
00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:26,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

466
00:23:26,319 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 2: One of the things he said, Donner kept telling him

467
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,920
to do it again and do it louder, and Bill

468
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,960
Murray said, I just think he was deaf. One more

469
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,039
tidbit on Richard Donner. He used to direct Gillingdon's Island. Yes,

470
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:39,839
there's a trivia question in the movie.

471
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: What boat do they take to Gillingdon's Island?

472
00:23:43,039 --> 00:23:45,599
Speaker 2: And the whole time Bill Murray's like, you know this.

473
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,759
Speaker 1: This is easy. Nice. I toldly missed that connection. Nice one.

474
00:23:50,759 --> 00:23:53,200
That's a good one, thank you. Okay, so kind of

475
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,160
talked about how Scrooge came into being. Let's jump over

476
00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:01,480
to Christmas Vacation. Burns some dust here, Rubbert. So this

477
00:24:01,559 --> 00:24:05,640
one's another great story. We have our eighties beloved writer

478
00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:09,920
and director of all time, mister John Hughes. Now, the

479
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,200
original story was in National Lampoon magazine, and this was

480
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,680
actually the second story. First vacation story was National Lampoon's

481
00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:20,400
Vacation that became the movie. Then the second story in

482
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,000
the magazine came out December nineteen eighty and that was

483
00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:26,279
the Christmas version written by John Hughes, who then of

484
00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:29,559
course wrote the script for this movie as well. Right now,

485
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,920
John Hughes had found this guy that we've talked about

486
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:38,440
before in our Grimlins episode. Yeah, and He says, hey, dude,

487
00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:41,400
I'd like you to come direct this new Christmas movie

488
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,440
that I've written. And that guy's name was Chris Columbus,

489
00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:49,440
and the new movie was Christmas Vacation, right, and a

490
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,240
lot of you are going to be right now going

491
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,000
I didn't know Chris Columbus directed Christmas Vacation, and you

492
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,000
would be right. He did not. He did not Before

493
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,599
one the aim of film was shot. Chris Columbus, despite

494
00:25:03,599 --> 00:25:06,720
the fact that this was his first opportunity to direct

495
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,359
and he was dying to direct a movie. He calls

496
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,480
up John Hughes to say, I don't think I can

497
00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:15,960
work with Chevy Chase. Chevy Chase had from the outset

498
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,559
made his life a living hell, thought he was inexperienced,

499
00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:21,519
didn't want to work with him, had this other guy

500
00:25:21,599 --> 00:25:25,599
in mind that he wanted to work with, and basically

501
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,720
he could see the writing on the wall. This was

502
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,279
not going to work. He calls John Hughes ready to quit,

503
00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:34,519
and before he can even say what he wants to say,

504
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,079
John Hughes says, Hey, you know what, I don't think

505
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,519
you're gonna fit right with this movie, but I've got

506
00:25:39,559 --> 00:25:42,240
another movie that I think you'd be perfect for So

507
00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:45,400
it's this really beautiful like, hey, I know what you're

508
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,799
about to say, and it's okay, right, what a great

509
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,920
thing to do for this guy. And then of course

510
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,559
the movie that he gets to do is Home Alone.

511
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,799
Speaker 2: No, man, it's so incredible. John Hughes knew Chevy Chase

512
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,200
was tough to work for. Yeah, and Chris Columbus is not.

513
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,119
I mean, he was a screenwrid. He wrote Grimlins, he

514
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,200
wrote Goonies. Yeah, I mean, this guy is an up

515
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,440
and coming major talent.

516
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,839
Speaker 1: So he had done a couple of movies before this.

517
00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:12,759
He had done Adventures in Babysitting in eighty seven, and

518
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,400
he did Heartbreak Hotel, which of course was at the

519
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,440
same time that this was going out. And you remember

520
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:22,680
he was super excited to meet Hoyt Axton on the

521
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,359
set of Grimlins because Hoyt Axton his mom had written

522
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:27,359
Heartbreak Hotel.

523
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 2: Right, that's right.

524
00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:32,319
Speaker 1: So anyway, he did Adventures in Babysitting before Home Alone

525
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,960
ultimately materialized, and Heartbreak Hotel, which was kind of a

526
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,519
disappointing thing. And so this was kind of when Christmas

527
00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:40,519
Vacation was out there. It was like, this may be

528
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:43,720
your last shot. Buddy. But then he gets home alone

529
00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:48,559
and with a lower budget than Christmas Vacation, it rakes.

530
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 2: It in, blows the floors off, Yeah.

531
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:51,839
Speaker 1: Mind blowing.

532
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: How big that movie was, Oh yes, humongous. And then

533
00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:56,640
ultimately he gets the Harry Potter movies.

534
00:26:56,759 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, just talk about a million things that

535
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:02,279
he's done. But yeah, yes, absolutely, missus doubt fire nine months,

536
00:27:02,319 --> 00:27:02,960
step mom.

537
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: So in steps this guy named Jeremiah Chechnik. Now, then

538
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:10,000
I looked at his IMDb page. I don't know a

539
00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:12,319
lot about this guy. He hadn't done very much. But

540
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,079
the one thing that stood out to me that he

541
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,839
had done one thing the music video for Van Halen's

542
00:27:20,079 --> 00:27:20,759
when It's Love.

543
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: That's it.

544
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,319
Speaker 2: To me, that was the biggest thing on his resume before.

545
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:33,279
Speaker 1: This, before this, yeah, right now, he did a few

546
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:34,000
movies after this.

547
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But to go from that to this.

548
00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: He did a couple movies after this. I mean, he's

549
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,319
done several things. He's still he's still right, he's still

550
00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:44,839
making stuff. But our audience will be familiar with Benny

551
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,839
and June. Yeah. Well, I mean that was a huge

552
00:27:46,839 --> 00:27:49,759
one for Johnny DApp Yes, and then he did this

553
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,920
movie called diabolic which he almost won the Worst Director

554
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,640
of the Year award for but lost out to Gus

555
00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:59,000
van Zandt, who did the remake of Psycho.

556
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,839
Speaker 2: I believe it's Diabolique.

557
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: You say so, buddy, Okay, I didn't getch that.

558
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,039
Speaker 2: That's okay. So when they went to John Hughes, he said,

559
00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:11,400
you know what, guys, I'm kind of done with the

560
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,319
Griswold story and I'll do this third one. If we

561
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,640
can think of some idea that's really good, I'll sticker

562
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,119
out if it's really good. And to me, this kind

563
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,799
of tells how great of a writer he is, because

564
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:26,039
he forgets about Christmas fifty nine, like he's put out

565
00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:27,880
all this stuff, and when he's kind of going through

566
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,480
his old stuff, he's like, oh, yeah, Christmas fifty nine. Yeah,

567
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:31,279
that's a good idea.

568
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,559
Speaker 1: Christmas fifty nine. By the way, just because we didn't

569
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:35,960
clarify it, that's the name of the story from National

570
00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:38,319
Lampoon that came out in nineteen eighty. Yeah, I mean,

571
00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:40,960
this is we're talking about eight years later when he's

572
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,599
looking at this. From what I understand, there were pages

573
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,079
coming in every day and they were doing a lot

574
00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:48,240
of things on the fly. Now you talked about the

575
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,839
fact that Jeremiah Chechnik had only.

576
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,039
Speaker 2: Done Ben Halenalen.

577
00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Before that time, he had directed some commercials as well,

578
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,039
but I mean this was his first filming job. And

579
00:28:58,119 --> 00:28:59,920
do you know what the first thing that they filmed

580
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:03,319
what it's the first scene in the movie where the

581
00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:08,039
station wagon goes underneath the logger truck. And I mean,

582
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,079
can you imagine a harder scene to film on your

583
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,160
very first day? He was like, I was sure somebody

584
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,480
who's gonna die and this would be the end of

585
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,319
my career before it ever started. Yeah, But fortunately they

586
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,559
had a guy on set who was a fantastic stunt driver.

587
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:24,000
His name was Dick Zycker. Okay, they called him z Man,

588
00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:26,119
but he was an absolute pro and he was just

589
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,119
able to go at the exact same speed slide that

590
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,480
car under there. And that first scene is so perfect,

591
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,240
because how are you going to have a driving scene

592
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:37,839
in a Christmas vacation movie that's supposed to take place

593
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,240
at the house of the Griswolds, right, sure, sure, well,

594
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:43,400
because they're driving out to get the treat, but you've

595
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,039
got to have that tie in. By the way, they

596
00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:47,759
asked Lindsay Buckingham to write a song for this one,

597
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:48,839
and he was like, I don't want to be known

598
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,680
as the soundtrack for vacation guy.

599
00:29:50,759 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: Well, it's the only vacation movie that doesn't have holiday

600
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:53,440
road in it.

601
00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

602
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: By the way, you talked about it, but that scene

603
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,000
was shot in Breckenridge, Colorado.

604
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, all of the scenes that they needed lots of

605
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:04,559
snow for they went and shot at Breckinridge because Breckenridge

606
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:07,640
always has snow early. Well, they come to Breckinridge, they

607
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,920
show up and no snow. Uh huh. So they're like,

608
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,240
oh crap, and so they have to make their own snow, right.

609
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:17,720
They make a lot of snow, and then as soon

610
00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:20,039
as they get it all laid out, a snowstorm comes

611
00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:23,720
in and it doesn't stop snowing the entire time that

612
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:24,160
they're there.

613
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,519
Speaker 2: You know, I've been to Breckridge and I've been to Chicago.

614
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,200
I've noticed that the Rocky Mountains are not in Chicago.

615
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,559
Speaker 1: We don't know how far they drove.

616
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: Yes for The Grid World Family Christmas.

617
00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:40,039
Speaker 1: Okay, So that kind of does it for the beginnings

618
00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:47,680
of these movies. Let's talk about the casting, all right.

619
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: So the cast of Scrooge is fantastic. You've got Bill

620
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,759
Murray's return. You've got Karen Allen, who we fell in

621
00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:56,000
love with as Marion Ravenwood from Raiders of the Lost Stars.

622
00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: She's like a little like a little warm hug. Yeah,

623
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,519
she's just so pleasant, like she's a very different character

624
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,559
than Mary and Ravenwood, and she's got just a warm,

625
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,440
lovely smile.

626
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:09,599
Speaker 2: So now you've got John Forsyth as Lou Hayward. Yeah,

627
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,920
John Forsyth from Dynasty. Yes, this guy is awesome in

628
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,039
this movie. You've got to play this pretty well straight. Yeah,

629
00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:18,160
And he's crusty and all he doesn't have any eyeballs

630
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,359
and he is dusty, dirty and pulled out of the

631
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,519
grave once again.

632
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,599
Speaker 1: The brilliance behind the comedy is to hire straight actors

633
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:26,720
for most of the part. That's right. Yeah, And I

634
00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:28,920
got to say one of the guys that I don't

635
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,480
even think about until I watched this movie, but when

636
00:31:31,519 --> 00:31:33,759
he comes on, he's just like this burst of energy

637
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:36,559
and he really engages the movie and is such a

638
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:40,720
great character. And that's John Glover playing Bryce Chris Cummings. Right. Yeah,

639
00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:42,759
it's like my lacrosse coach used to tell me, there

640
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:46,599
is no I in team. That guy is brilliant. I

641
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,079
love him. He's funny.

642
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: And then the just the subtle looks that Bill Murray

643
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,000
gives the camera and you know.

644
00:31:54,079 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: They you would absolutely hate to be around this guy.

645
00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:00,799
He plays the obnoxiously friendly guy. Would see. Let's talk

646
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:04,240
about Bobcat Goldthwaite for a second. Why did he have

647
00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:08,559
only shaky stuff? Why don't you know that? Because that's

648
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:11,200
a character. His stand up guy was a character. And

649
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,920
this movie is our first opportunity to see Bobcat Goldthwaite

650
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:17,279
just being Bob. I thought he was perfect.

651
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:20,079
Speaker 2: He's a little bit scared, but he's you know, brave

652
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,880
enough to kind of take on the boss in a

653
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:27,519
few scenes, you know, Yeah, that scene when he's running

654
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:30,480
around the shotgun going you a better watch out?

655
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:32,519
Speaker 1: Hello wet.

656
00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:34,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

657
00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: I think it's fantastic that the Ghost of Christmas Future

658
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,960
gets interrupted by bobcat Golf. Yeah that's right, right, I

659
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,400
mean he's louder Milk. Is his character's name, Ellie Loudermilk. Yeah,

660
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,559
he's supposed to be going like he's supposed to be

661
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:51,240
taking Bill Murray into this frightening termifying hell experience. But

662
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,680
he's like, oh, hold on, there's the shotgun here.

663
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: I'll wait when Loudermilk gets fired. That scene was hilarious

664
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:01,359
because he's like, you know, I think you're a bit

665
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,119
off base right there. And he's like, fire that man immediately,

666
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,200
and they're like, but sir, it's Christmas. He's like, thank you,

667
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:10,440
call it county and cancel his bonus, right, and then

668
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,960
he watches from the telescope they toss him out on

669
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:13,319
his butt.

670
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:16,039
Speaker 1: He's like, he's laughing. Yeah, you hate this guy right

671
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:17,799
off the bat right four and a half minutes.

672
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:21,519
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So we've already talked about David Johansson as

673
00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:23,440
the Ghost of Christmas Past, even though he does a

674
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,279
fantastic job.

675
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm surprised he didn't do more stuff. He's

676
00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:28,960
got a very character he face. I don't know why

677
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,599
he didn't do more. Honestly, maybe he's just living off

678
00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:32,519
the royalties of Hot.

679
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: Hot, Hot, probably, so he's probably embarrassed to see those

680
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:39,400
ridiculous weird ears that he has to wear in this movie,

681
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,400
or the teeth or the green teeth. Yeah, alright, but

682
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,920
Carol Caine as the Ghost of Christmas Present is my

683
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,119
absolute favorite character in this entire movie. Sometimes you have

684
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:54,079
to just to get that attention. Yeah, and I'm taking

685
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:56,839
on my buddy Jeff Johnson because he kind of was like, gosh,

686
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,200
she's so annoying. I'm like, yeah, but that's the whole point.

687
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: She's supposed to be annoying. His crab.

688
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely so sweet that she makes your teeth shirt right right,

689
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:07,440
But the violence, of course that goes.

690
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: I mean it's sweet mixed with violence. And that, by

691
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,679
the way, was how Richard Donner can miss her to

692
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:14,559
be in the part. He's like, this is gonna be

693
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,519
like Glinda the Good Witch, except she's extremely extremely violent.

694
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:22,159
It's like, oh, that sounds like a fantastic part to play.

695
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,719
And then Bill Murray tells her. He's like, I want

696
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,519
you to really hit me. I want you to really like,

697
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:28,880
don't hold back. Yeah, give it to me. And so

698
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:31,360
a lot of those scenes she's really smacking the crap

699
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,559
out of him. And you'll remember there's one part where

700
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:36,239
she grabs his bottom lip and like pulls it down.

701
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:41,639
Speaker 2: Yes, fine, slap me in the face, but you kicked

702
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:42,559
me in a wall.

703
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: They had to stop filming because she basically ripped the

704
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,440
little tissue that holds the teeth the to the lip

705
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:56,119
off of Bill Murray for like four days they shut

706
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,440
down production. Yeah yeah, I mean there were a couple

707
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,519
that was that was the injury and screw huge. There

708
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:03,159
was another on Christmas Vacation. Chevy Chase is beating up

709
00:35:03,199 --> 00:35:05,760
all of the Santa and the reindeer and all that.

710
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,679
When he punches the Santa. When you see him punch

711
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:09,320
the Santa, he breaks his pinky.

712
00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 2: Fever, I know. And then he improves where he karate

713
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,440
chops the antlers off and stuff. He wasn't supposed to

714
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:13,639
do that.

715
00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's He's like, well, my hand's hurt. I guess

716
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,079
I'll start kicking. Really.

717
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,199
Speaker 2: Carol Caine though, as the Glinda Goodwitch when she puts

718
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,239
that glitter X on his cheek and then the first

719
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,239
time I saw this, I could not stop laughing. She

720
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,519
beats the crap out of him.

721
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:37,639
Speaker 1: You cloth, I'm through well, and they've got the uh.

722
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,280
They got the other brothers of Bill Murray in this

723
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,159
movie as well. I don't know if there's another movie

724
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:44,320
where all four brothers are in the same thing, so

725
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,199
I think this is the only one. But the scene

726
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,079
where she's hitting where Carol Caine is hitting him with

727
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:53,800
the toaster, Like Joel Murray said, he thought, oh my gosh,

728
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,599
she's gonna hit him every time. He was like, she

729
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,519
was just barely missing him every time. But there's this

730
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:02,679
scene where she's doing little ballerina toes. She's working around. Yes,

731
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,599
she practiced four months to get the ballerina top point,

732
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:09,679
like really went to ballet classes to get this down.

733
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:12,719
And she got kind of upset because when she did it.

734
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,079
Richard Donner thought it was absolutely hysterical. Yes, so she's like,

735
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:17,760
I was trying to do the best that I could.

736
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,280
It's hilarious.

737
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 2: Keep going. Yeah, she was awesome.

738
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:26,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was really good.

739
00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 2: Back to John, Joel and Brian Murray real quick. So,

740
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,679
Brian Doyle Murray, you've seen him a million things, Wayne's World,

741
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,599
Caddie Shack Vacation. We already talked about him. Of course,

742
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:36,679
Bill Murray has been and everything.

743
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,039
Speaker 1: John Murray was in an.

744
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: Eighties classic, Moving Violations, which I love. It's kind of

745
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:45,519
like a police Academy type of movie. Okay, John Murray

746
00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:48,679
is the star of that movie, Moving Violation.

747
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: Okay. So John Murray is the Mark Harmon to Steve

748
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,599
Gutenberg's Kevin cost.

749
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pretty much, pretty much.

750
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: I don't even know. That's a complicated math, right there.

751
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: Joel Murray was in One Crazy Summer with Bobcat Goldway.

752
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right there, you go.

753
00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: Some connections to some eighties classics.

754
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: There, all right, who else? We've got some big hitter

755
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:16,199
actors in this one. You've already mentioned John Forthscyth, but

756
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,960
we also have Robert Mitchum.

757
00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 2: Robert freaking Mitcham.

758
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, talk about an icon. I mean, he's

759
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:25,119
There are too many movies to mention. One of my

760
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:28,559
favorites is Cape Fear, but he is an icon of

761
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,480
the early twentieth century movies, and here he comes in

762
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:36,480
as this kind of ridiculous executive who wants to do

763
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:42,760
programming for cats. As it turns out, yeah, this is

764
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,360
actually a prediction of the future. The Roku has programming

765
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:50,960
that is specifically designed for your pets, ladies and gentlemen.

766
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:54,000
If you want to entertain your dog or your cat

767
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:56,559
while you're away from the house, Roku has a channel

768
00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:56,800
for that.

769
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,039
Speaker 2: Yes, Robert Mitcham. And in fact, I was going to

770
00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:00,679
tell you when Quinn and I this My son and

771
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:02,559
I watched this last night together. I wanted to kind

772
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:05,039
of gauge his reaction to it. He laughed out loud

773
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:07,440
at the end when Bill Murray's you know the finale

774
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,480
where he kind of takes over the Christmas Carol and

775
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,920
he starts improving and saying, you know, the Christmas Miracle,

776
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,280
when we can do this, and Robert Mitcham's character is

777
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,039
really mad and he turns around and hauls off and

778
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,599
kicks his cat. He just takes this big old kick

779
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:23,360
and yeah, yeah, you know, my son thought that part

780
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,519
was hilarious, so very good. It's very fun, Robert Mitcham. Funny. Okay,

781
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,119
you talked about Aufrey Woodard, you talked about John Glover.

782
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,599
I want to bring up Mary Ellen Traynor. Mary Ellen

783
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:35,760
Traynor is the woman that you see that Bill Murray's

784
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,840
trying to kind of sweet talk into bed maybe.

785
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: Right whenever the grandmother dies from Bill Murray's Commershall. She's

786
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,639
the one who's showing him the lines and he's like,

787
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,960
this is great. This is You can see her starting

788
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:49,360
to massage his shoulders and him kind of giving her

789
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,360
the eye or whatever. But yeah, we've talked about her

790
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,239
a few times.

791
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,559
Speaker 2: So she has been in a lot of other Richard

792
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:55,960
Daughter movies. She was in Gooney she played the mom

793
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:56,519
and Goonies.

794
00:38:56,599 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: Right, Yep, she's the mom and Goonies. She's the psychiatrist

795
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:00,000
in Lethal Way.

796
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: Yes, she also plays with the newscaster in Diehard.

797
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah, she was.

798
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: Married to Robert Zemeckis. She was in Romance in The Stone.

799
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,320
She's the sister that got hit by the Boomerang rocks

800
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,719
that they were trying to rescue from Bolivia's right, that's right.

801
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,199
The last guy I want to talk about is this

802
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,679
guy named Michael J. Pollard.

803
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: Perfect, That's where I was gonna go, Okay, okay, what

804
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,239
you got No, So, Michael J. Pollard is the guy

805
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,199
who you will remember from this movie. He's one of

806
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:31,639
the guys who thinks that Bill Murray is Richard Burt. Okay,

807
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,320
when they he's one of the homeless guys. Bill Murray

808
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,760
shows up at the homeless shelter, He's like, say one

809
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,159
of the lines like it's and then said, as Bill

810
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,039
Murray is leaving, he's like, hey, Richard, can you give

811
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:44,119
me two dollars so I can turn my heat back on?

812
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:46,719
And then a little later on we see him down

813
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,719
in like a little sewer area and he's frozen to death, right, Yes,

814
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,360
that he's just he's got a very cherubim face. You know,

815
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,960
he's just got this very pleasing little and his eyes

816
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,440
are frozen open, just like just like Julie at Lewis

817
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,079
and Christmas Vacation. And it was interesting to me that

818
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,280
in the old Superboy series, he's the guy that plays

819
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,679
mister Mitch Mitchel plick. Oh really, and he's perfect. He's

820
00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:13,920
got the perfect hair. He's gonna be the perfect And

821
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,239
we have another podcast, ladies and gentlemen called Podcast Full

822
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,599
of Kryptonite where we talk about Superman and Lois, the

823
00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:24,519
TV series that's on the CW. You should go check

824
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:27,440
that out. But I maintain that's a character that needs

825
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,400
to show up in that series. Mister missile, mister mitchle Plack. Yeah, Okay,

826
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,920
one more guy I want to talk about real quick

827
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,039
Jack McGhee. Okay, he's the guy who.

828
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: Says I can barely see them nipples improved.

829
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:41,679
Speaker 1: He improvably, right, yeah, and Bill.

830
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:43,599
Speaker 2: Murray right after him. He's like, see and these guys

831
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:46,159
are really trying. Yeah, that guy has been in some

832
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:48,880
other Dnner movies as well. Okay, he was in Lethal

833
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,840
Weapon too. He's the guy who's shooting the nail gun

834
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,920
that Murta uses later to nail and bull.

835
00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go, there you go. All right. So

836
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,719
there are a ton of cameos in this one, especially

837
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,840
because of the Christmas Carol, which they're calling Scrooge. By

838
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,639
the way, they don't ever say the Christmas Carol or

839
00:41:06,639 --> 00:41:10,880
a Christmas Carol, they say Scrooge. And so you've got

840
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,760
Buddy Hackett's Scrooge. You've got Jamie Farr as one of

841
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,119
the go oh no, he's Jacob Marley in that one, right,

842
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,719
And then you've got some other cameos. You've got Robert

843
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:23,199
Goulay a Cajun Christmas yes. And you've got Lee Majors

844
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,039
in the Night the Reindeer Died. I would watch the

845
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:31,880
Lee Majors been a good Boy this year. And you

846
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,840
got John Houseman as the narrator, who I knew from

847
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,000
the paper Chase when I was a kid, influence on

848
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:39,760
my desire to become an attorney. But when I saw

849
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,760
the movie this time, and I saw Grace's mom, right,

850
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,360
Grace is the secretary her mom, I'm like I know

851
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,000
that lady. Okay, that actress is Mabel King, and she

852
00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:52,079
was in a TV series called What's Happening, which I

853
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:55,000
remembered her from that, but you will probably remember her

854
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:59,679
as the mom from The Jerk. I made a sandwich

855
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:01,360
for you, wrapped it in cell a phane, just like

856
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:01,800
you like.

857
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,679
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh awesome another Saturday nightye play.

858
00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:12,599
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay this. A ton of fantastic cameos throughout

859
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:15,119
this one, and I don't I'm sure we've mentioned maryly written,

860
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:18,440
but Mary le Retten as Mary lou Ratten. Don't forget

861
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,880
the Solid Gold Dancers. Oh my gosh. By the way,

862
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,119
just in a weird coincidence, Solid Gold was canceled the

863
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:25,639
same year that this movie came out.

864
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,199
Speaker 2: This is the last time we ever see the Solid

865
00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:29,119
Gold Dancer, and.

866
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: Man, they did a heck of a performance in it.

867
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,400
I gotta say, you could hardly even see them nipples and.

868
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 2: I was really trying, I was really try. Actually the

869
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,800
kiss that Bill Murray has with the Solid Gold Dancer

870
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,760
under the mistletoe, yes, improut.

871
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,199
Speaker 1: She did a good job with that one.

872
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah she's grabbing his nicktime. Yeah, okay, were ready to

873
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,360
flip back to the cast of Christmas Vacation.

874
00:42:50,480 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: Let's do it all right, Oh my gosh, what an

875
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,000
all star lineup we have for such a small cast.

876
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: I know, right, you're gonna have to help me understand

877
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,880
the magnitude of some of these older actors. Okay, sure,

878
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,800
all right, So let's start off. I mean you have

879
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,679
to have Chevy Chase as Clark w Griswold.

880
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,559
Speaker 1: I mean you can't change the family members. Oh wait,

881
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:21,599
wait a minute.

882
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:22,679
Speaker 2: Yes, yes you can't.

883
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: Actually, so weird that every single time, not only are

884
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,679
they different actors, but they're different ages.

885
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:32,199
Speaker 2: Like it's very weird, and they reverse, you know, like I.

886
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: Think they even mentioned Rusty in this episode as being

887
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,119
in the Navy, as though there's a Russ and a Rusty.

888
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,360
I don't and Bethany is just confused. It's all very weird.

889
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: Okay, So you got Chevy Chase as you know, Sparky.

890
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: Clark w was Griswold. I cannot tell you how many

891
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,159
times in my household, not in any inappropriate way, I've

892
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:58,519
said almost there, I'm gonna go for it, wild animals.

893
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,679
Speaker 2: And then you have Beverly DiAngelo as Ellen Griswold. She's back.

894
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,119
Speaker 1: I believe she was the first set of movie boobies

895
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:06,639
I ever saw.

896
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,199
Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, for a lot of people.

897
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned she was not very old.

898
00:44:11,639 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 2: She was twenty nine when she did the first Vacation movie. Yeah,

899
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,079
and she's supposed to be the mother of like fifteen

900
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:18,039
to sixteen year olds.

901
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:20,519
Speaker 1: Right. I can see Beverly Angelo getting busy a little

902
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:24,400
bit early on Majors. Yeah, Majors. Yeah, she's sexy.

903
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:28,119
Speaker 2: Yep. Then you have Juliette Lewis as Audrey Griswold.

904
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: Right now, Juliet Lewis. I didn't realize this until later.

905
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:33,760
Have you seen every which way of Loose? Yes? I

906
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,199
have the guy who's in that as Clint Eastwood's kind

907
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:40,880
of sidekick guy. Yes, her dad. I knew that. Yes. Yeah.

908
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:44,840
So in this one, we've got John Galecki as Rusty.

909
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,599
He's little thirteen year old kid in this one, despite

910
00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:49,400
the fact that he was older than the other ones. Right,

911
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,320
and this is his first movie comedy scenario. I mentioned

912
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,719
earlier that Chevy Chase was kind of pointing at him

913
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,320
and feeding him lines. There's the one part where he's

914
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,559
like He's like, we checked every bull right, and he's like, yeah,

915
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,159
so maybe we should go. Oh, I gotta get to bed.

916
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,199
I gotta feed the hog. Yeah, ghost through all that,

917
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,280
those were all ad little lines that chevy Chase had

918
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,599
given him. And if you'll notice, he pulls his sleeve

919
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,800
back and he looks at his wrist as though there's

920
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,480
a watch there, and there's no watch there, which is

921
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:25,719
a classic chevy Chase bit. So he totally fed him

922
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,920
all of that wonderful which, of course, now John Glecky

923
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,960
goes on to be one of the major cast members

924
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:34,440
in The Big Bang Theory, which is a huge comp

925
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:34,880
it is.

926
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:37,679
Speaker 2: Yes, I saw an interview with him and they said

927
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,320
that his friends several years later they like, so you

928
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,519
were in that movie with Juliet Lewis. He's like yeah,

929
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:43,880
and they're like, do you make out with her?

930
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: I was twelve.

931
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: No, I didn't make out with her. She barely knew

932
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:49,679
I existed.

933
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: She was into older guys, god younger. Yes.

934
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: By the way, Juliet Lewis natural born killers California huge.

935
00:45:57,559 --> 00:45:59,480
I mean, she's been in tons of stuff, tons of stuff.

936
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glacky. Also, I remember him from Roseanne. He

937
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:04,920
was the one of the boyfriends that's Roseanne.

938
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 2: Okay, Diane Ladd plays Nora Griswold, that's Clark's mom.

939
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

940
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,519
Speaker 2: Now she's classic Hollywood actress.

941
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: Yes, she was in Chinatown, she was in Wild at Heart.

942
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: She's been a ton of stuff. So she's good friends

943
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:18,760
with Shirley McLean.

944
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: Okay.

945
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,159
Speaker 2: So Diane Ladd had gone on and married this doctor

946
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,559
and they moved to Florida, and Shirley McLean calls her

947
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:26,119
and says.

948
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,079
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Why are you not in Hollywood.

949
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,039
Speaker 2: She's like, well, I'm married to this guy and we're

950
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:32,360
living in Florida. Plus, there's no good roles for me

951
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,199
in Hollywood anymore. Okay, And Shirley mcclan's like, get your

952
00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:37,880
butt back to Hollywood right now. There's tons of great

953
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,559
stuff for you. You're too good an actress to be

954
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:40,599
hiding out in Florida.

955
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:41,519
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

956
00:46:41,559 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 2: So she said fine, So she went back to Hollywood

957
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,039
and that's when she landed this role.

958
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: Wow, she's in movies that are coming out right now

959
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:47,880
this year.

960
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:51,519
Speaker 2: She plays Clark's mom and she's only like six years

961
00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:52,639
older than Chevy Chase.

962
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 1: Then we have a couple of big hitters. We've got E. G. Marshall.

963
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, then, yeah.

964
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: He was. He is a monster. And what was that

965
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,440
We've talked about another movie that he was in. What

966
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,000
did we talk about?

967
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: He was the president in Superman one and two.

968
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,519
Speaker 1: That's right, that is right. Go check out our Superman

969
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:20,079
one and two versus Man of Steel episode. But yeah,

970
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:22,599
I had forgotten about that. Yeah, he plays the president.

971
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:27,039
And of course classic I mean, brilliant actor again, big

972
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:28,400
twenty century actor.

973
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,559
Speaker 2: By the way, Go ahead, Superman directed by Richard donnerd

974
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:35,239
there you go. Then we've got Doris Roberts who plays Francis.

975
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:40,119
She's hysterical. You've seen her in a million things. She's

976
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:42,920
always going to be Ray's mom from Everybody Less Raymond,

977
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:46,559
right right, she is the freaking funniest in that in

978
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:48,559
that TV show. I don't think she really gets to

979
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:50,880
shine in Christmas Vacation as much as she does. And

980
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:51,960
everybody loves Raymond.

981
00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: Well, she has the fantastic part where she faints with

982
00:47:56,079 --> 00:48:01,199
the squirrel. Hysterical. Yes, And then we have the return

983
00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:04,920
of cousin Eddie himself, mister Randy Quaid Eddie.

984
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 2: If I woke up tomorrow with my head's on to

985
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,400
the clipt I would not be as surprised as as am.

986
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,039
Speaker 1: Right now. I can still remember hearing that line for

987
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:16,079
the first time and I could not stop like it

988
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:21,840
was so well placed, so brilliant, loved loved it. Now

989
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,760
here's a deep cut for you. Are you ready? Yeah? Yeah, okay,

990
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,039
So gene Autry has a song in this one. Here

991
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:35,159
comes down clas Randy Quaid's grandfather. Is gene Autry's cousin? Really, okay?

992
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,559
And the only reason I know that is because I

993
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:40,360
watched the audio commentary and he's like, oh yeah, gene Autry, there,

994
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,480
that's my third cousin. And he's They're like, what makes

995
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:46,159
it a third cousin? He's like, is my grandfather's cousin?

996
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:48,480
How about that?

997
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: That's cool?

998
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: Right? And then of course also the return of Miriam Flynn,

999
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,639
who plays cousin Eddie's wife, cousin.

1000
00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: Catherine Kevin Catherine. Just the chemistry between those two is

1001
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:01,719
so good. When he's kind of pinching our button stuff,

1002
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,519
He's like, don't forget the rubber sheets and the gerbils.

1003
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:10,199
That's a throwaway line that you can barely hear. It's brilliant,

1004
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,599
and she just rolls with it, just for whatever.

1005
00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:15,199
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, it is. It's really hysterical. And she

1006
00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:17,639
this is the thing that she pointed out. They're watching

1007
00:49:17,679 --> 00:49:20,320
the movie as they do the commentary, and she's like, oh,

1008
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,519
he's got a Tasmanian there's a Tasmanian Devil cup. And

1009
00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:27,079
I'm like, so, Sister Clark drinking out of this cup? Right.

1010
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,440
She was the voice of Taz's mom in the Tasmanian

1011
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,599
Devil series that was on back in the whatever it was.

1012
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a Marty Moose cup, by.

1013
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: The way, not that cup when he's in the office.

1014
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,559
When he's seen in the office all the guys march in,

1015
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,599
he's drinking out of a Tasmanian double cup.

1016
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, cool, cool.

1017
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,679
Speaker 1: Okay, Way, first Christmas that we had at my office

1018
00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:50,079
party about everybody Marty the Moose cups. Nice.

1019
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,079
Speaker 2: Nice. I saw them on sale Target the other day.

1020
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:56,320
By the way, in this movie, you have the infamous

1021
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,880
actress from the movie Troll that I just watched the

1022
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,159
other day, which was terrible. Okay, Julia Louise Dreyfuss.

1023
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,679
Speaker 1: Okay, you mentioned that she was super hot back then, yes, yeah,

1024
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,840
and she had been in Saturday Night Live at this point.

1025
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:13,119
She's obviously got brilliant comedic timing still looks really good,

1026
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:16,199
and this one looks great. It's almost like they've got

1027
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:19,400
a separate movie going on for those two, and I

1028
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,960
love it. The guy who plays her husband is a

1029
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,400
guy named Nicholas Guest. Okay, you probably have heard of

1030
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:30,280
his brother, Christopher Guests. Oh yeah, I have waiting for Guffman.

1031
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,920
He's the six fingered man in Princess Bride, I mean

1032
00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:37,119
spinal tap. Also married to Jamie Lee Curtis, by the way,

1033
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,199
So good job him, Yeah for him. Yeah, he's doing

1034
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,920
great there. So his brother, Nicholas Guest is the guy

1035
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,800
who plays Todd. And how many times in your life

1036
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,559
do you say, why is the carpet weed Todd?

1037
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 2: I don't know, Margo, It's it is.

1038
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 1: A thing that we go to routinely every year.

1039
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: Okay, we also have to bring up William Hickey as

1040
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:03,519
Lewis Griswold.

1041
00:51:03,679 --> 00:51:07,119
Speaker 1: Dude, an acting icon. Was a teacher for a ton

1042
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,239
of great actors, but really just kind of did it

1043
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:11,599
for the love of the game. I mean he would

1044
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:15,400
give acting lessons for five dollars, but brilliant actor. He

1045
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:19,440
was twenty years younger than Aunt Bethany whenever he's playing

1046
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,400
this part, but nails that. It was originally that part

1047
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,480
was supposed to be George Burns, so you can see

1048
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,440
that with the stogies and the wig and all that

1049
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,960
other stuff. He totally nails that despite the fact that

1050
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,280
he was a much younger I think he was maybe

1051
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:36,559
not even quite sixty, I mean, very very young guy

1052
00:51:36,639 --> 00:51:37,360
playing this part.

1053
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 2: But he has some of the best lines in the movie, yeah,

1054
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,159
where he's like, you couldn't hear a dump truck drive

1055
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,000
through a nitro glycerin plant?

1056
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,559
Speaker 1: Yes? The blessing Yes.

1057
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,599
Speaker 2: And then, of course we have Aunt Bethany played by

1058
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,199
may Questal.

1059
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: May Questaal, who was the original Betty Boop and also

1060
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:02,800
the original Olive Oil. Holy crap, talk about a resume here.

1061
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 2: I knew she was Betty, but I didn't know she

1062
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:04,920
was Olive Oil.

1063
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously she's passed on since then, but man,

1064
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,360
all of her scenes are iconic in this In.

1065
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 2: This way, Grace died thirty years ago.

1066
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,039
Speaker 1: Oh did I pass When? Did the room clear out?

1067
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: So funny? Okay, and one more person we got to

1068
00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:26,480
talk about, Yeah, Nicolette Scorsese.

1069
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,679
Speaker 1: Not related to Martin Scorsese. Yeah, but I don't care.

1070
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:30,679
Speaker 2: I don't either.

1071
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,039
Speaker 1: I just have to think. For the casting process for

1072
00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:36,920
this movie, they had to go, can we see your

1073
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:42,480
hip exactly? And she had the perfect hip. She could

1074
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,679
barely even see the lines, can even see the lions?

1075
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 2: Yes, Hey, you know something funny that I'm going to

1076
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,119
be the dummy here for a second.

1077
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1078
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: It took me a few viewings to realize that the

1079
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,199
girl working in the retail lingerie part of the store

1080
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:03,280
where she's showing her underwear to Clark, she's the pool girl.

1081
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:05,679
It's the same girl.

1082
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,559
Speaker 1: Oh, Jason, Oh my gosh. There's just some things that

1083
00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:13,800
you can't say out loud. This goes back to our

1084
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,920
Rio episode all over again. I'm not even going to

1085
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,679
revisit that. How did you not know that that was

1086
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:19,639
the same girl.

1087
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: I just thought she was another girl in a red

1088
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:22,840
baby same.

1089
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: My gosh, my guy, my guy. I don't know what

1090
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,880
to say about that. We better move on.

1091
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 2: She wasn't wearing lingeride.

1092
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: She threw me off. I was looking at her face.

1093
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,840
I was looking at cousin Eddie there for a second. Yeah.

1094
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: If I know, father, he's out there. Jason Bieber, Okay,

1095
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:42,159
do you have any more?

1096
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,679
Speaker 1: Nope, that's it. Okay, So there's one more name that

1097
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,679
I got to mention. This is kind of you could

1098
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,800
easily glaze over this one, but it's it's just worth

1099
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,920
worth mentioning. Okay, Okay, maybe just because of this random

1100
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:58,880
movie trivia. The boss's wife, right, yes, okay, played by

1101
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:04,440
Natalia Nogolish, Yes you can kind of heargolis. I tell

1102
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,400
you the goolis? Was that something that I missed?

1103
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 2: Maybe she was related to the guy who did Caroll

1104
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,519
the bells but keep going no, okay.

1105
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: Not even one similar letter.

1106
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 2: Okay, then al okay.

1107
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,079
Speaker 1: To tell you to Gulich. Okay, So she's the wife, right,

1108
00:54:24,159 --> 00:54:26,119
and he's like, you know, I was thinking about not

1109
00:54:26,199 --> 00:54:28,159
doing bonuses this year, and she's like.

1110
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:29,159
Speaker 2: Oh you didn't.

1111
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. That actress provided the voice for mon Mathma

1112
00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:37,639
in the radio adaptation of Return of the Jedi.

1113
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 2: Okay, that is a random bit of trivia.

1114
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,599
Speaker 1: But I saw it and I was like, well, I

1115
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:43,480
miss what we do here at the Shirley Podcast.

1116
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 2: Mathma.

1117
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:45,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.

1118
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: That is fantastic.

1119
00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: Yep. Okay, guys, that is going to do it. For

1120
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:53,679
part one of this comparison, We will be back next

1121
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,199
week for part two, where we will give you the

1122
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:02,000
production and the reception of the movies, and we'll give

1123
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,280
you our final judgal judgment on which one of these

1124
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:05,159
movies is the best.

1125
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,119
Speaker 2: Come back next week. It's gonna be a lot of fun.

1126
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 1: Don't forget to subscribe or follow on your podcast app.

1127
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,760
Don't forget to come check us out on Twitter at

1128
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,800
Shirley Podcast or on Facebook at Shirley Podcast. We're on

1129
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,920
Instagram too. We don't do a lot over there, but

1130
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,440
go ahead and check us out. Man. We love the

1131
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,039
followers wherever we can get them. That's right.

1132
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 2: Check out our YouTube page. We've got some videos out

1133
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,920
there now. You can check those out. It's pretty cool.

1134
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,679
Speaker 1: You can see what we look like exactly.

1135
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 2: We did have somebody, our friend Amanda said that she

1136
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:30,840
had us switched.

1137
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Another person that we've never met before

1138
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,559
commented on our YouTube page and she's like, you guys

1139
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:39,320
looked nothing like I thought you did. Okay, well, we

1140
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:40,159
didn't scare you off.

1141
00:55:41,519 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 2: That's not what I heard. I heard. You guys looked

1142
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:44,360
freaking awesome.