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<v Speaker 2>No. The Architect of the Future, the future is now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's futurist Thomas Frye.

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<v Speaker 3>come speak to your organization. I do want to give

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<v Speaker 3>a little payoff for those people who waited David who

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<v Speaker 3>it was too funny not to, he said, Chris Christy

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<v Speaker 3>and Simone Biles. I don't know the thinking behind that,

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<v Speaker 3>but it made me laugh out loud. So thank you

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<v Speaker 3>David for that. We'll talk about that a little bit later.

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<v Speaker 3>But Thomas is on today to talk about robots. And

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<v Speaker 3>you've been you've been deep in the robot rabbit hole

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<v Speaker 3>for a little while. What is uh, what have you

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<v Speaker 3>been seeing in the world of robots, Thomas.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they're going to start evolving very quickly here.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're going to start seeing robots with capabilities

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<v Speaker 1>we never imagined. But I recently wrote this this column

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<v Speaker 1>just titled will robots replace the children that we're not having?

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<v Speaker 2>Replace the kids are not having?

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, it's interesting because there's benefits to having robots

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<v Speaker 1>around it. I mean, as soon as we ironically, as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as we have robots that can change a dirty diaper,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll make it much easier to actually have kids. So

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<v Speaker 1>maybe robots will actually increase the population rather than decrease it.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think there's going to be because I got

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<v Speaker 3>to tell you, as a mom, like, the thought of

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<v Speaker 3>handing over my little baby you to a robot just

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<v Speaker 3>does not drive with me right now, That just does

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<v Speaker 3>not What kind of what kind of curve are we

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<v Speaker 3>looking at for robot acceptance?

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<v Speaker 1>Now?

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<v Speaker 3>You're talking about development, right and I think some of

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<v Speaker 3>the stuff is happening in robot development is fascinating, really

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<v Speaker 3>really fascinating. But when you're talking about a new mom,

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<v Speaker 3>especially of second mom, like second kid, the mom will

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<v Speaker 3>be like take the baby, it's fine. But first time moms,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, how what is that curve going to be

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<v Speaker 3>looking like before we all just accept that we have

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<v Speaker 3>a robot made that come is in our house, or

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<v Speaker 3>a robot taking care of our babies, or a robot

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<v Speaker 3>taking care of our older people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we have to have robots that we're comfortable around.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to have ones that have a soft touch

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<v Speaker 1>that we can have interactive conversations with that they feel

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<v Speaker 1>much more human than anything that we exist today.

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<v Speaker 2>We still have a long.

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<v Speaker 1>Ways to go up, and so there'll be many iterations

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<v Speaker 1>of evolution on the robot world before we get to

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<v Speaker 1>that point. But yeah, I think that having a robot

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<v Speaker 1>that can walk to your kids to school, that can

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<v Speaker 1>actually go out and play with the kids, I think

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<v Speaker 1>people are going to love that.

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<v Speaker 2>And interestingly enough.

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<v Speaker 1>You know people are worried about too much screen time

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<v Speaker 1>for the kids today, Well, they might be worried about

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<v Speaker 1>too much robot time with.

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<v Speaker 2>The kids in the future.

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<v Speaker 3>I would think that that would be concerning to some parents.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know some parents who are very involved.

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<v Speaker 3>I think my questions would more be along the lines

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<v Speaker 3>of if my child asks my robot nanny.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll call it robot nanny. Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>A question, a philosophical question. As little children do they

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<v Speaker 3>ask you these questions throughout their childhood, all of these

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<v Speaker 3>really deep, meaningful questions. How do I program the sort

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<v Speaker 3>of response that I would want my robot to give?

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<v Speaker 3>For instance, I lean conservative politically, liberty and freedom are

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<v Speaker 3>ensure that my robot will reinforce those values that I'm

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<v Speaker 3>trying to instill in my kid?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're not going to have little switches at say

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they are.

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<v Speaker 1>This this role I think these robots, I think will

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<v Speaker 1>evolve around the conversations that are currently being had around

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's any hardcore way of programming the robot, but I

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<v Speaker 2>Currently and how to actually feed on that.

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<v Speaker 1>I see robots becoming much more human like over the

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<v Speaker 1>coming years, and to the to the point where where

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<v Speaker 1>they actually are hybred, actually flesh bots that are we

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<v Speaker 1>actually have human like flesh that grows on the outside

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<v Speaker 1>of these things and so the touch that they have

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be actually real human touch, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course there's going.

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<v Speaker 2>To be all kinds of ups and downs with a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of a lot of weirdness that goes along with this.

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<v Speaker 3>But okay, you just took me right to Star Trek

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<v Speaker 3>next Generation and Data. Okay, Data was a robot, but

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<v Speaker 3>he always looked like his skin had been grown in

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<v Speaker 3>a lab to me. So I mean, is that what

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<v Speaker 3>you're talking about where they look humanoid but they actually

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<v Speaker 3>have a robot in our core?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Right? Yeah, we will see how how this all

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<v Speaker 2>takes place.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's lots of people that have talked about downloading

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<v Speaker 1>their personnel, their their essence of who they are into

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<v Speaker 1>the internet to live forever, but talking about downloading it

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<v Speaker 1>into a robot that actually has physical capabilities so you

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<v Speaker 1>can live forever as a robot.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's a whole different ballgame.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that opens up another wide area of discussion

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<v Speaker 1>that we're currently not prepared to have.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it would be my look that only the irritating,

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<v Speaker 3>annoying people who text me relentlessly every day would find

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<v Speaker 3>a way to download their consciousness into a robot so

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<v Speaker 3>they would never die.

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<v Speaker 4>That it would only be the annoying people, right that

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<v Speaker 3>It wouldn't be the people we actually wanted to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>It would just be people that are irritating and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't know. I mean, I am on the

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very excited about the future of what robot do

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<v Speaker 4>Game changing they can be. And I guess.

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<v Speaker 3>The evolution of not just the robots, but also how

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<v Speaker 3>much slower process, so we'll have time to adapt, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's been kind of funny to me to

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<v Speaker 3>see how quickly people adapted to self driving cars in

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<v Speaker 3>San Francisco, where they're willing to get into a waygo

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<v Speaker 3>that has no driver and go ahead and let it

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<v Speaker 3>take them around San Francisco. I would have thought that

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<v Speaker 3>would have been a much longer curve, but it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>People seem willing to just like, let's do this. Is

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<v Speaker 3>that surprising at all?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading some of the projections on humanoid robots

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<v Speaker 1>and how quickly these things will grow and how many

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<v Speaker 1>people are going to buy these things, and projections are

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<v Speaker 1>by twenty and thirty five. One projection most that we'd

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<v Speaker 1>have one and a half million robots out there.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And another projection that was by twenty and forty was

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<v Speaker 1>that we would have a billion of them out there.

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<v Speaker 1>And so somewhere in the middle, I think is the

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<v Speaker 1>real number. And so how popular will these things be? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it depends on all their capabilities and how easy.

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<v Speaker 2>They are to work with and get along with.

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<v Speaker 1>And certainly if they can take a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>workload off of us, that will they'll make it much

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<v Speaker 1>more valuable in our own minds. So I see, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if a robot can take care of our kids and

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<v Speaker 1>take care of the dogs and clean up the house

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<v Speaker 1>for us.

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<v Speaker 2>If they can wash our dishes, well we still need dishwashers.

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<v Speaker 1>If they can cook our food for us, well we

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<v Speaker 1>still need We still be inclined to go out to restaurants,

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<v Speaker 1>or will be more inclined to to eat dinner at

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<v Speaker 1>home and engage and bring our friends over. And how

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<v Speaker 1>long will it be before a robot comedian is funnier

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<v Speaker 1>than human.

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<v Speaker 3>Comedians or talk show host I mean, I mean everybody

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<v Speaker 3>likes to think, well, my job's not replaceable, but realistically,

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<v Speaker 3>we're very quickly moving to an arena where AI. There

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<v Speaker 3>are radio stations right now that have fully AI DJs,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's not as well recepted, I think, as they

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<v Speaker 3>would have liked, because people are a little turned off

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<v Speaker 3>by that, I guess, But ultimately, I mean, are we

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<v Speaker 3>all replaceable? Are there any Are there any fields where

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<v Speaker 3>it would be safe to say I could not be

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's actually hard to so some of the areas

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't know how we'd replaces. A robot will

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<v Speaker 1>not start a busess will not know how to take

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<v Speaker 1>risks if there's no human involved. I don't think a

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<v Speaker 1>robot will be able to open a bank account. Robots

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<v Speaker 1>don't need clothing, they don't need food. There's lots of

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<v Speaker 1>needs that they don't have. So we still need humans

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<v Speaker 1>to generate our economy. But they can replace a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the workload that we would normally have. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to actually purse us out into Yes, s will work,

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<v Speaker 1>and now that won't work because we're going to figure

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<v Speaker 4>Somebody just asked this question. I think it's kind of interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>If a robot is a witness to a crime in

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<v Speaker 3>the house, how would this impact the accused and their rights?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm assuming that they have the capability of

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<v Speaker 3>out lat least a limited time playback that they could access,

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<v Speaker 3>and they might be an actual video tape of what

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<v Speaker 3>out because I don't want my robot recording everything that

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<v Speaker 2>Could your robot get subpoena? Did in court?

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<v Speaker 4>That's kind of I think what they're asking like, what

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<v Speaker 4>do you know? Do you could the video be subpoena? Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>But could the robot testify? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I don't know if that would be I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if I'm on a jury and a robot

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<v Speaker 3>sits there and says, this is what happened.

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<v Speaker 4>Because they can't swear on a bible. I mean they could,

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<v Speaker 4>but does it really mean anything?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what?

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<v Speaker 4>What's the ethical standards that robots have?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>What does robot bible look like?

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly, exactly, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that we're going to all kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>Well, having robot intruders. A robot breaks into my house,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, fault is it?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it would have to be the people that

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<v Speaker 3>program the robots to break into your house. I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>even think about that, Thomas. That's a whole new worry,

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<v Speaker 3>because a robot could kick in your door, come in,

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<v Speaker 3>overpower you physically and not you. You can't do anything

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<v Speaker 3>to fight back against a robot. And then what are

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<v Speaker 3>you going to identify? Yeah, robot came in my house,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll give you a description. You know, they all look

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<v Speaker 3>the same kind of thing. That's a little bit scary

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<v Speaker 3>as well. So I mean it's going to be as

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<v Speaker 3>soon as criminals get robots. What are criminals going to

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>So so I was I was thinking if if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to buy groceries, should probably want your robot to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the grocery store and buy them for you, right,

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<v Speaker 1>pick them up and bring them home. But you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to give the robot access to your main bank

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<v Speaker 1>accout count.

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<v Speaker 2>So would you set up a separate bank account for

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<v Speaker 2>your robot? I would?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I would because I have had situations where

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<v Speaker 3>someone else was doing my shopping for me and I

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<v Speaker 3>set up a separate bank account just for them, and

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<v Speaker 3>that was a human. I'm not giving a human access

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<v Speaker 3>to my bank account, you know what I mean? I

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<v Speaker 3>mean my husband, yes, but not a general person. So

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<v Speaker 3>that would make sense, I mean yeah, I mean you

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<v Speaker 1>So then if somebody decides to hijack robot and steal

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<v Speaker 1>their money, what does that look like? Then?

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<v Speaker 2>Who's going there's all these what if scenario?

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<v Speaker 3>It was gonna say, how do you hijack a robot?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you talking about hacking in or or standing there

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<v Speaker 3>holding you know, a gun at a robot saying give

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<v Speaker 3>me all your money or I'm gonna I'm gonna shoot you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, something like that. And should a robot be allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to defend itself? And to what extent should it be

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<v Speaker 1>able to disable the person that's trying to harm it?

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<v Speaker 3>I'd say yes, because ultimately, if a robot is there

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<v Speaker 3>to serve and protect you, then they should be able

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<v Speaker 3>to defend themselves, but only in a defensive posture, meaning

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<v Speaker 3>they could block someone from hitting them. They could neutralize

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<v Speaker 3>someone by putting them in a hold, a robot hold,

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<v Speaker 3>so they can't move or do anything while they're simultaneously

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<v Speaker 3>calling the police on their little imaginary headset that I

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<v Speaker 3>just gave them inside their robot heads I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's the most challenging thing for me is that

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<v Speaker 3>I know that the military is working on making robot soldiers,

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<v Speaker 3>and how do you program a robot to kill certain

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<v Speaker 3>people but not others? And what's to prevent someone from

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<v Speaker 3>hacking into that set of robots and turning them on you.

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<v Speaker 3>That's this kind of stuff that I think about.

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas, Right, there's a downside to all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, if you if your robot suddenly calls the

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<v Speaker 1>a police bot that shows up.

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<v Speaker 2>That takes over.

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<v Speaker 1>And so how does a police spot then take care

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<v Speaker 1>of this person that's giving problems? Does that police spot

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<v Speaker 1>have more leeway in dealing with criminals? Yeah, that's it

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<v Speaker 1>raises all kinds of interesting questions. Should they be allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to use me be allowed to use tear gas?

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<v Speaker 3>In theory, you would think that, like, let's talk about

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<v Speaker 3>RoboCop here for a second, not the movie, but an

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<v Speaker 3>actual RoboCop that we're building in my mind here, you

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<v Speaker 3>could make that robot pretty right now, when a police

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<v Speaker 3>officer engages with a criminal in a physical way, there's

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<v Speaker 4>That cop could also get hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you had a robot cop that could then

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<v Speaker 3>sort of disable that person by holding them down or

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<v Speaker 3>getting them still because of their superior strength, and they're

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<v Speaker 3>they're in their unlikelihood of getting hurt, I think that

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<v Speaker 3>we'd be all, like, Yeah, if that robot grabbed you

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<v Speaker 3>and held you and then you hurt yourself because you're fighting,

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<v Speaker 3>that's your own fault, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>What I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I think we'd be willing to give them

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<v Speaker 3>Leeway because they can actually get closer to the criminals

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<v Speaker 3>than actual police officers can.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if we had a situation where somebody actually died

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<v Speaker 1>in the hands of a robot, what kind of feedback

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<v Speaker 1>would happen? Then?

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<v Speaker 2>What kind of backlash would occur?

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<v Speaker 1>A sys another George Floyd situation where we would have

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<v Speaker 1>overpowering robots setter demanding.

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<v Speaker 2>Too much of our people.

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<v Speaker 1>It raises these ethical questions we've just not had discussions

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<v Speaker 1>about yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I Mean, this is all Virgin territory, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Isn't the ethics kind of the hardest part of this

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it is. Is there a regulations that should be

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<v Speaker 1>I think so, but we don't know enough about these

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<v Speaker 3>Well, a lot of my texters are giving you some

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<v Speaker 3>variation of this. Has anyone ever seen the movie Terminator

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<v Speaker 3>or Mandy. I've seen I Robot and Ex Machina. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>good on the robots, but ultimately, you know, we've been

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<v Speaker 3>scared of things in the past. We used to think

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<v Speaker 3>lightning was the gods that were angry, right, so as

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<v Speaker 3>we as our knowledge has evolved, as we become as

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<v Speaker 3>we've traveled in space, we're less likely to believe that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we're gonna have the kind of aliens are

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<v Speaker 3>going to come down and kill us on Independence Day.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think as this stuff starts to roll out,

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<v Speaker 3>because it starts with a roomba, it starts.

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<v Speaker 4>With a robotic law. One of my neighbors has one

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<v Speaker 4>of these.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't start with fully humanoid robots living in our

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<v Speaker 3>That's not how it gets started. So perhaps that will

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<v Speaker 3>make the adoption a little bit easier. But somebody did

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<v Speaker 3>ask this, Thomas, and I think this is an interesting question.

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<v Speaker 3>They said, what happens when the government hacks my robot

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<v Speaker 3>and can see inside my house? Could you, in theory,

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<v Speaker 3>tell your robot if anyone tries to change your programming

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<v Speaker 3>or program you to spy on me, I need you

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<v Speaker 3>to let me know right away. Would that work with

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<v Speaker 3>something that simple, in something that is constructed to work

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<v Speaker 3>within a framework, an ethical framework that has to be created.

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<v Speaker 4>With something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Works, say, look, if anybody's trying to spire on me,

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<v Speaker 3>I need you to tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>I think one of the core pieces of every one

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<v Speaker 1>of these robots is they need to be the guardian

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<v Speaker 1>of your privacy. They need to be your protector, that

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<v Speaker 1>they're watching out for you more than anybody else's interests.

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<v Speaker 2>And so.

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<v Speaker 1>If we don't have that, then I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they're going to sell many of these robots.

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<v Speaker 1>But if the robot is actually working for you, if

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<v Speaker 1>it's doing everything you wanted to do, then you can

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<v Speaker 1>rely on it. It's trustworthy, something that you can count

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<v Speaker 1>on to help you every day, then it becomes super

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<v Speaker 3>Would become I would think I would envision this as

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<v Speaker 3>being robots becoming a part of the family, at least

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<v Speaker 3>in the United States of America. In some other cultures

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<v Speaker 3>where they still have servants and things of that nature,

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<v Speaker 3>perhaps they would be treated like a servant. But I

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<v Speaker 3>could see Americans bringing the the robots in and having

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<v Speaker 3>them become an extended part of their family.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you think, Yeah, these robots should be your buddy bot.

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<v Speaker 2>They should be your best friend, the friend you always

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<v Speaker 2>wish you had.

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<v Speaker 1>Something that can actually finish your sentences for you and

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<v Speaker 1>knows what you're going to be saying next that you

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<v Speaker 1>have all these good conversations with. I think that's the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of robot people want, and I think the people

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<v Speaker 1>that are designing robots are going to go on that

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<v Speaker 1>path and try to figure out, oh, yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>narrow spectrum of things that everybody wants.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's try to include all of that into this robot.

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<v Speaker 3>Thomas rise our futurists. You can find him at futurist

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<v Speaker 3>speaker dot com. Thomas, great conversation and now lie awake

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<v Speaker 3>at night waiting for the robot uprising. Thanks so much

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<v Speaker 3>for that.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, all right, Thomas, I have a good day.