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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, Nicole, if we if you and I

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<v Speaker 2>knew that the Celtics would go for a measly six

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<v Speaker 2>point three billion, we could have probably got in on

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<v Speaker 2>this action too pocket change right, Well, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it's a little bit, but you and I we

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<v Speaker 2>could have covered it totally.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, then again, people seem to think that we're like

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<v Speaker 3>millionaires in radio.

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<v Speaker 2>That is not the kid. Anything that I could do

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<v Speaker 2>to reinforce that.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe if it was you know, six and a half dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe, oh yeah, absolutely, no question no. But it's exciting.

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<v Speaker 4>This is big news.

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<v Speaker 2>It is it is big news. The folks who all

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<v Speaker 2>the Celtics turned quite a profit, they call that return

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<v Speaker 2>ROI return on investment. I think they bought it for

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred mil. Yes, I saw that. Good for them

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes good for them? Yeah hopefully, Well yeah, that can

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<v Speaker 2>go to pay off the national debt. Says all about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to chat. We owe each other a phone call. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you, thanks to Gold, talk to you. Good night.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome on in everyone. My name is Dan Ray, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is Night's Out. We've got a great show. Schedule

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<v Speaker 2>for you tonight. Once again, we have some subjects that

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<v Speaker 2>you may not have thought a lot about. But the

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<v Speaker 2>whole idea here on Nightside is we try to make

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<v Speaker 2>people think. I do care that you're thinking. It matters

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<v Speaker 2>not to me what you're thinking. You can come to

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<v Speaker 2>any conclusion on any subject and you can use our

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<v Speaker 2>microphone to shout it to the world. It's as simple

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<v Speaker 2>as that. My name's Dan Ray. Rob Brooks, the producer

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<v Speaker 2>of this fine program, is back at Broadcast Central headquarters.

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<v Speaker 2>He's going to make sure everything goes smoothly. There will

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<v Speaker 2>be no phone calls until after nine o'clock because we

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<v Speaker 2>have four guests, as we do every eight o'clock, and

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<v Speaker 2>they are interesting topics. Tonight, my first guest is doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Fara Mustafa. She's a dermatologist and director of laser and

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<v Speaker 2>cosmetics at Tuft's Medical Center, kind of close to home. Welcome,

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Mustapha. How are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 5>Hi?

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<v Speaker 6>Dan, how are you? I'm doing well? Thanks, I'm doing great.

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<v Speaker 2>We are going to talk about something that I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know a lot about, and so bear with me if

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<v Speaker 2>I ask any dumb questions. But that's what I get

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<v Speaker 2>paid to do. The Federal and Drug Administration Apparently they've

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<v Speaker 2>decided to recall some acne treatment products over benzene levels.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea. I know what acne treatment products are,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know what the problem is with benzene levels.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure you can explain it to my audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this a big deal?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, I'm happy to explain it. Well, it's good for consumers.

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<v Speaker 4>To know about, for sure, of course.

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<v Speaker 6>So benzel peroxidism and over the counter acne treatment, it's

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<v Speaker 6>in a lot of spot treatments for acne. And about

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<v Speaker 6>a year ago, there was an independent lab that kind

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<v Speaker 6>of put this out that many acne treatments that you

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<v Speaker 6>can buy over the counter actually had the breakdown products

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<v Speaker 6>of benzene in these in these containers, which is a

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<v Speaker 6>known unfortunately a known carcinogen. So so the FDA recently

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<v Speaker 6>made out this statement. Just last week, they did their

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<v Speaker 6>own independent test and and although they actually found a

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<v Speaker 6>lot less more contaminated than the third party lab found,

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<v Speaker 6>there were a few products that still had levels of

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<v Speaker 6>benzene and those companies have voluntarily issued recalls.

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<v Speaker 2>This This must have freaked out a lot of teenagers,

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<v Speaker 2>many of whom deal with ACNE. I assume the world,

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<v Speaker 2>the world would have spread like wildfire amongst you know,

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<v Speaker 2>middle schools and and high schools. Should parents who might

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<v Speaker 2>be listening to they need to do anything now in

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<v Speaker 2>response to this if their son or daughter was used.

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<v Speaker 2>We're using any of these products.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, not necessarily. I benzene is all around us, So

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<v Speaker 6>that's one thing to kind of take into account. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>it's in car exhaust, it's a byproduct of gasoline, and

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<v Speaker 6>so it's not like we're not exposed to it into

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<v Speaker 6>our in our everyday lives. It's all about you know,

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<v Speaker 6>limiting exposure especially and knowing what you're exposed to. So

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<v Speaker 6>I definitely did get things in my you know, my

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<v Speaker 6>on TikTok and Instagram about people you know that we're

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<v Speaker 6>kind of hyped up about this, and I totally understand that.

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<v Speaker 6>I think for now, the most reasonable thing to do

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<v Speaker 6>would be not to purchase the ones that the FDA's

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<v Speaker 6>I would trust the FDA's tests more than the third

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<v Speaker 6>party test. So there are a few products that kind

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<v Speaker 6>of stood out, like the leoche pos e faclaire duo,

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<v Speaker 6>another proactive which is a very popular one that has

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<v Speaker 6>some name recognition. But if if if you have those

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<v Speaker 6>products at home or they're close to their expiration date,

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<v Speaker 6>especially because a lot of the products kind of break

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<v Speaker 6>down over time or as they get closer to their

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<v Speaker 6>expiration date, then it would make sense to avoid using

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<v Speaker 6>avoid using them at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure. Sure, So benzene does that have a a benzine?

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<v Speaker 2>Does it have? Is it is? It? Is it on

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<v Speaker 2>the periodic table? It is? Is this some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a chemical that actually can have some positive use or

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<v Speaker 2>does it just appear as byproduct? Uh? And it's a

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous by product?

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<v Speaker 6>It's it's that's exactly right, it's a dangerous byproduct. Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>it's it's a chemical breakdown of benzyl peroxide in this case,

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<v Speaker 6>which benzyl peroxide you know, is a safe and good

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<v Speaker 6>to use active ingredient that has antibiotic properties and anti

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<v Speaker 6>insulimmatory property, so really good for acne. But the breakdown benzene,

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<v Speaker 6>that's just a it's a chemical that's kind of out

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<v Speaker 6>there that has negative effects for humans.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is not a chemical that is put into

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<v Speaker 2>a product in a small amount.

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<v Speaker 6>And no, no, it's like a breakdown. Usually it breaks

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<v Speaker 6>down at like high temperatures or so in this lab,

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<v Speaker 6>the initial lab that did the tests, that the products

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<v Speaker 6>were supposed to really high temperatures, which is not what

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<v Speaker 6>you're normally doing, right, You're not putting There were even

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<v Speaker 6>jokes online like I'm not putting my acne cream baking

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<v Speaker 6>it in the oven at four hundred and fifty degrees right,

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<v Speaker 6>So how was just like a real risk. But having

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<v Speaker 6>said that, having said that, of course when they did

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<v Speaker 6>the when they did the repeat testing, they found that

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<v Speaker 6>there were some products that actually had them at low levels,

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<v Speaker 6>just kind of as they exist normally, right, like if

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<v Speaker 6>it's in your shower or on your bathroom sink. There

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<v Speaker 6>were still some products that had some low levels.

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<v Speaker 2>This comes back to announcer, prevention is worth a pound

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<v Speaker 2>of cure. Why do you want to us with something

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<v Speaker 2>like this if you know about it. I'm sure the

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<v Speaker 2>companies aren't thrilled to take products or recall products, but

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<v Speaker 2>can they not produce the products in a way that

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<v Speaker 2>this benzene is not produced, is not created as a

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<v Speaker 2>by product. I assume I have to go back and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe reconfigure the acne me medication, the acne treatment. But

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<v Speaker 2>let's do it safely. I assume that's the lesson.

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<v Speaker 6>Here, right, Yes, I absolutely agree, and it was, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>and they actually issued the voluntary recalls of their own products,

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<v Speaker 6>which was was a nice thing to do and the

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<v Speaker 6>responsible thing to do. So that wasn't an fd you know,

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<v Speaker 6>it was an FDA mandated recall or anything. But they

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<v Speaker 6>the companies themselves had retailer based recall, so that means

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<v Speaker 6>they took them out of the stores. It's not like,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, they're messaging people and saying, Okay, if you

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<v Speaker 6>have this, you got to take it back or get

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<v Speaker 6>rid of it or anything like that. But they just

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<v Speaker 6>remove them from the stores until they can figure out

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<v Speaker 6>how to safely produce them without benzine by products.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds great. Well, look, thank you very much for explaining it.

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<v Speaker 2>And is there a place that people could go to

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<v Speaker 2>get more information on this? Is there a news article

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<v Speaker 2>or some journal that if parents are concerned or just

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<v Speaker 2>google benzene levels, products with benzene levels and they'll find

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<v Speaker 2>some news stories.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, I will. Yeah, the FDA website itself actually has

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<v Speaker 6>the list of the products that did come back for benzene.

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<v Speaker 6>It's important to know also a lot of the products

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<v Speaker 6>were tested and did not have it. So probably if

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<v Speaker 6>I was a concern parent, I would just say, let

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<v Speaker 6>you know, let me look on this website and see

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<v Speaker 6>what not to buy, and then everything else is you know,

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<v Speaker 6>more fair game.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So just go to the FDA website and look

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<v Speaker 2>for products with benzene levels or just google something like

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<v Speaker 2>that and you'll find it. I assume it correct.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, the FDA benzene acting product. Yes, absolutely sounds great.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Mustafa, thank you very much for your time and

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for what you do. We will talk again,

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<v Speaker 2>I suspect, thanks.

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<v Speaker 6>So much, thank you, thanks a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>You're very welcome when we get up. When we get back.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people talk about spring cleaning. Today is

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<v Speaker 2>with Nick Burns in just a couple of minutes. Now

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<v Speaker 2>back to Dan Ray live from the Window World night

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<v Speaker 2>Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. All right, welcome back

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<v Speaker 2>as we head through the eight o'clock hour. Here, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk when you think about spring. Spring arrived

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<v Speaker 2>today at five o't one in the morning, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know that all of us when you think about spring,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things you think about is spring cleaning,

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<v Speaker 2>which of course means dusting and straightening up and all

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<v Speaker 2>of that. But there's another sort of spring cleaning that

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<v Speaker 2>you might think about, and that is what's around you

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<v Speaker 2>with us. As Nick Burns, he's a Google tech expert. Nick,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm all ears. I'd love to know one of the

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<v Speaker 4>Go right ahead, Yeah, you've got it. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 4>much for having me. Well, as you said, spring is

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<v Speaker 4>the season of renewal, and we're seeing that many people

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<v Speaker 4>are searching for ways to clean and organize their home,

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<v Speaker 4>focus on their health and fitness, refresh their wardrobes, and

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<v Speaker 4>Search of interest in decuttering has hit a five year

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<v Speaker 4>in the past month alone. So people are really looking

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<v Speaker 4>for help here in Massachusetts specifically, people are looking for

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<v Speaker 4>ways to organize their kitchen more than any other room.

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<v Speaker 4>And one of the really best things I always go

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So that takes care of cleaning up our office

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<v Speaker 2>in desk area, and you talked about people also decide to,

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<v Speaker 2>year people are thinking that. But that's okay. What other

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely so.

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<v Speaker 5>Spring self care rose more than two hundred percent in

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<v Speaker 5>than they were last month. So, you know, when it

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<v Speaker 5>And one of the best ways you can do that

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<v Speaker 5>is you know, I wear the pixel Watch three to

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<v Speaker 5>to really tell you how how well you're sleeping. And

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<v Speaker 5>in the morning you get like this really cool score

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<v Speaker 5>and a bunch of metrics about how much time you

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<v Speaker 5>spent in each type of stage of sleep. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm a data guy too. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>they call myself a data nerd, but I'm a data

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<v Speaker 2>guy and I've seen some of those, and to be

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<v Speaker 2>I I think when you get up in the morning,

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<v Speaker 2>most people know if they've had a good night's sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, one of the things that people if

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<v Speaker 2>if you can calm your mind, which I've tried to do.

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<v Speaker 2>into heated subjects, okay, And at midnight, my day is over,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to calm down, and I do the crossword

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<v Speaker 2>puzzles out of the newspapers. I actually still get a

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<v Speaker 2>feel I get a better night's sleep if it's a

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<v Speaker 2>little shorter, if it's only six or seven hours, as

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<v Speaker 2>opposed to trying to go to bed and not have

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<v Speaker 2>a RESTful night sleep. For me, that half hour doing

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<v Speaker 2>a crossword puzzle and giving up when I'm tired, that

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<v Speaker 2>helps me. Now I don't have a pixel watch on it.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't prove it to you, but I can tell

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<v Speaker 2>you it helps. Does that make any sense to you

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<v Speaker 2>as somebody who who I'm sure follows what people do

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<v Speaker 4>Oh? Absolutely, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>I think everybody has their their kind of rituals before

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<v Speaker 5>the pixel Watch three is, you know, you get a

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<v Speaker 5>score in the morning and you say, okay, I didn't

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<v Speaker 5>maybe I didn't sleep that well. It'll actually fit fit up,

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<v Speaker 5>will give you tips to say, okay, here are certain

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<v Speaker 5>ways that you can kind of have good sleep hygiene

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<v Speaker 5>that that are really gonna relax you and help you

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<v Speaker 5>have kind of a nice regular routine and mitual before

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I got a really regular routine I

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<v Speaker 2>work with. If the show does it in until eleven

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<v Speaker 2>fifty eight, ten, so late night, Well it is, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's also intellectually your mind is running. That's my problem,

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<v Speaker 2>and you shut it down when the last caller ends

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<v Speaker 2>and you sign off. Everything is done. All you got

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<v Speaker 2>to do then is do you know a little tidying

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<v Speaker 2>up and you're all set. But it's it's tough. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like people ending work at five o'clock and saying, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to drive home. You have to sleep. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>here's a bed, go to bed. Tough you do. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you have a regular schedule? Are you a nine to

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<v Speaker 2>five guy and you can you can get that time

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<v Speaker 2>between five and whenever you go to bed to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of kick back and relax a little bit, or are

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<v Speaker 4>I'd have to say, I'm a little bit all over

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<v Speaker 4>And in the day, you know, go to the gym

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<v Speaker 4>early in the morning, before work, go to work till

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<v Speaker 4>about you know, five, six, seven, and then come home

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<v Speaker 4>and have a nice dinner and by then I'm in

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<v Speaker 4>bed by ten. That's kind of nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, hopefully listening to Night's I only kidding. My most

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<v Speaker 2>and the energy to get up, don't eat breakfast, go

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<v Speaker 2>to the gym first. That if that should be that

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<v Speaker 2>should be the key rule of my life that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>taking from our interview, because if you can get up

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<v Speaker 2>and go to the gym, so can I. Nick, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>see at the gym. Thanks so much. How can folks

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<v Speaker 2>find you and get some other information from you? That

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<v Speaker 2>you must have a website or somewhere we can direct

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<v Speaker 2>people to.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh absolutely so. For more trends, you can always go

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<v Speaker 4>to Google dot com Fast Trends, or if you're interested

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<v Speaker 4>in the pixel watch, you can go to the Google

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<v Speaker 4>dot com Fast Story, where you can find a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of wearable products that can help you sleep and fitness

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<v Speaker 4>and off work with stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm afraid to ask how expensive are those pixel watches.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not as bad as you would saying. We have

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<v Speaker 2>You're telling me, you're telling me they're under fifty bucks, right, No,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm only kidding. I suspect they're more than Thanks Nick,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just having a thanks Nick. Okay, when we get

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<v Speaker 2>back right after the news, at the bottom of the hour,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about something that does impact your

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<v Speaker 2>sleep negatively, and that is drinking. We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the alcohol matrix. We have a guest who's an author,

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<v Speaker 2>former alcoholic and PhD in psychology, Dustin dunbar awaits the

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<v Speaker 2>other side of the eight thirty news here on Nightside,

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<v Speaker 2>my name is Dan Ray. Stay with us. We get

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<v Speaker 2>lots to cover between now and midnight. I promise. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>All right, it is funny. Last hour we talked. Last segment,

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<v Speaker 2>we were talking about sleep and perhaps the adverse impact

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<v Speaker 2>it keeps your mind active with us as Dustin Dunbar.

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<v Speaker 2>He's an author, former alcoholic and a PhD in psychology.

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<v Speaker 2>He's written I believe it's a book, am I correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Called the Alcohol Matrix.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you're doing great, and other lies alcohol told me.

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<v Speaker 2>Alcohol told me, oh, oh you're doing great, and other

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<v Speaker 2>lies alcohol told me. Okay, I get that. I see

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<v Speaker 2>in quotes here alcohol matrix a web of lies and

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<v Speaker 2>illusions that kept Dustin and many others trapped for years.

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<v Speaker 2>Where does the phrase alcohol matrix come from?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's basically we're changing people's consciousness. So any Grace

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<v Speaker 1>sales that were a million sold, and her and I

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<v Speaker 1>are teaming up and guaranteeing that people will learn to

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<v Speaker 1>which is the consciousness that is saying that alcohol is

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<v Speaker 1>the elixir of life, that you needed to have more fun,

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep better, to have better sex, to do all

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<v Speaker 1>these things, to go to parties, to do sporting events,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's all just total total consciousness raising myths. You

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I think everybody knows what alcohol free means,

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<v Speaker 2>he was an alcoholic, and I guess also alcoholics always

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<v Speaker 2>say once you're an alcoholic, even though when you get

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<v Speaker 2>rid of it, you're always an alcoholic. I get that.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a lot of friends of mine who are

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<v Speaker 2>of it and just saying you know this, I'm getting

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<v Speaker 2>to utilize it but keep it under control? Because so

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<v Speaker 2>many of my friends have made that one mistake one night,

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<v Speaker 2>How is it more difficult to kick the habit or

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<v Speaker 1>Dustin in your opinion, Yeah, everybody's different. Everybody's individual. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't use the word alcoholic at all needed as

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<v Speaker 1>And that's just absolutely not true. I have at zero cravings.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like somebody who'd smoke two packs of cigarette

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<v Speaker 1>to day and later it was like, oh my god,

423
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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe it used to do that. I stunk,

424
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<v Speaker 1>I felt terrible. It was totally brainwashed everything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever I see the best wine, beer, whatever, all I

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<v Speaker 1>see is the amount of ethanol by volume. So ethanol

427
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<v Speaker 1>is a scientific term for alcohol. And whenever we start

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<v Speaker 1>saying ethanol versus alcohol, it takes away all of big

429
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<v Speaker 1>Alcohol's brainwashing that they've done to us. And you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, why would you drink ethanol right versus alcohol?

431
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<v Speaker 1>So you whatever, you have a bottle of wine up there,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like thirteen percent ethanol in there. You can

433
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<v Speaker 1>put your finger up on the bottle and show, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>there's thirteen percent ethanol that I'm going to put in

435
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<v Speaker 1>my body if I drink this, and it's just a

436
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<v Speaker 1>total different way, and then you're cure. And that's what

437
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<v Speaker 1>we talk about. The magic till. Everybody wants the magic

438
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<v Speaker 1>till these days, and the magic till is that we're

439
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<v Speaker 1>completely using science and changing people's consciousness and we're not

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<v Speaker 1>blaming the person for becoming addicted to a one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>perc addictive substance.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you get rid of the monkey or off

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<v Speaker 2>your back or whatever you however you want to call it?

444
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<v Speaker 2>Different people call it different things, and I want to

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<v Speaker 2>use language that you're comfortable with. How did you become

446
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<v Speaker 2>alcohol free?

447
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Well, Annie Grace was my morpheus, if you will,

448
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<v Speaker 1>with the matrix, and she just got my consciousness to

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<v Speaker 1>agree to where we all know that ethanol alcohol is

450
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<v Speaker 1>horrible for us, and we're like, oh jeez, yeah, but

451
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<v Speaker 1>we're still doing it. It's kind of our crutch. It's

452
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<v Speaker 1>our way to unwind all these things, right. But then

453
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<v Speaker 1>there's this other side that we're like, what, I can

454
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<v Speaker 1>still do it. I can handle it all these other

455
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<v Speaker 1>other things. So the key to this is is to

456
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<v Speaker 1>get both sides and have the cognitive dissonance. Is what

457
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<v Speaker 1>is the problem where you're fully conscious that this stuff

458
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<v Speaker 1>is ethanol and ethanol is poison. It's toxic, it's one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent and addictive. Nobody can handle their ethanol. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care if you're the biggest, baddest, you know, New

461
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<v Speaker 1>Zealand rugby player. Ever, once enough ethanol is consumed, you

462
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<v Speaker 1>will get addicted.

463
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<v Speaker 2>So help me out. And I probably am ignorant when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm asking this question. Why are you interchanging? And I

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<v Speaker 2>have not read your material, so forgive me for that.

466
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<v Speaker 2>But why are you interchanging the word alcohol with ethanol?

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<v Speaker 1>Or Yeah, like I said, that's the scientific word for

468
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<v Speaker 1>so it's the same substance. Alcohol and ethanol are the

469
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<v Speaker 1>exact same thing. But what big alcohol companies have done

470
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<v Speaker 1>is such a wonderful job of brainwashing us with the

471
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<v Speaker 1>word alcohol that it's this elixir and that it's fun

472
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<v Speaker 1>and enjoy it and all this stuff. You gotta have

473
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<v Speaker 1>it and you can drink it, no problems, two glasses

474
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<v Speaker 1>a day, responsibly, moderately, socially. Exactly what I did, and

475
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<v Speaker 1>of course I got I got addicted. Sothanol is the

476
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<v Speaker 1>is what it is, and then we change people's way

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<v Speaker 1>of thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny when you say ethanol to me. I'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>you what I think. Okay, I think about a oh,

480
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<v Speaker 2>a gas station that the ethanol I think in gasoline

481
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<v Speaker 2>is there not?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So ethanol what it is is the byproduct of

483
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<v Speaker 1>fruits and vegetables. So the ethanol that you see in gasoleene,

484
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<v Speaker 1>it's mostly from corn is where they get thatthanol. Yeah,

485
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<v Speaker 1>so you're that's the exact same product that you go

486
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<v Speaker 1>up to the gas station and you're like, oh, I'm

487
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<v Speaker 1>not putting there's ten ethanol in that gas. I'm not

488
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<v Speaker 1>putting that in my motor. Well, then just later you

489
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<v Speaker 1>go to a place and you get your order whiskey,

490
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<v Speaker 1>and it's fortythanol in the same thing, and you're putting

491
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<v Speaker 1>it in your brain, your body, your spirit, and it's

492
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<v Speaker 1>pure toxic poison.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's great way to look at it. I

494
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<v Speaker 2>gotta tell you, Dustin, you have explained it very well

495
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<v Speaker 2>to me. If my questions seemed ignorant, it was because, frankly,

496
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<v Speaker 2>I had never made that connection. I thank you for

497
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<v Speaker 2>making that connection for me and my audience. How can

498
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<v Speaker 2>folks get your book? You're doing great and otherwise alcohol

499
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<v Speaker 2>told me how I assume Amazon and all the typical

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<v Speaker 2>sites if they're interested in getting the book for themselves

501
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<v Speaker 2>or for a friend.

502
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Dustin dash dunbar dot com and you can pick

503
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<v Speaker 1>up Annie Grace's book and my book right there. All

504
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<v Speaker 1>the links are there, so Dustin Dash dunbar dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>The U S T I N Dash. I assume that's

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<v Speaker 2>like a hyphen dunbar dou n b a r dot

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<v Speaker 2>com the alcohol free gu all right, Hey, Dustin, I

508
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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed the conversation. I learned something from our conversation. I

509
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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it very much. Take you taking the.

510
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<v Speaker 1>Time dumb questions, I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>I happened. I happen to believe that too, because I

512
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<v Speaker 2>learned that when I was in law school many many

513
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<v Speaker 2>years ago, the only dumb questions were the questions that

514
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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have the courage to ask, because often those

515
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<v Speaker 2>are the questions they came up on the midterm or

516
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<v Speaker 2>the final exam. So I am totally with you, and

517
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<v Speaker 2>that's why I guess this is why I do this job.

518
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not embarrassed to ask a question if I don't

519
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<v Speaker 2>know the answer, because if I don't know the answer,

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<v Speaker 2>I choose not to ask the question. I'll never know

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<v Speaker 2>the answer, will I Thanks, Dustin, I appreciate it very much.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll take care.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye bye. When we come up, we have one final

524
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<v Speaker 2>guest tonight, and we are going to talk about a

525
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<v Speaker 2>huge problem that probably we need to focus on much more.

526
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<v Speaker 2>And that is a nursing shortage here in New England

527
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<v Speaker 2>and a nursing shortage nationwide. And I know I have

528
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<v Speaker 2>many listeners, including one specific nurse who is always listening. Uh.

529
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<v Speaker 2>And I want to dedicate this segment to every nurse

530
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<v Speaker 2>who's listening to us night Side. We've heard about doctors shortages,

531
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<v Speaker 2>but the shortage of nurses might even be statistically worse.

532
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<v Speaker 2>Think about it. We're coming back with a great guest.

533
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<v Speaker 2>Now back to Dan ray Line from the window World

534
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<v Speaker 2>of night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. All right,

535
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<v Speaker 2>let's talk to my next guest here. Her name is

536
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<v Speaker 2>Dina Redding Girl. She's the executive. She's an executive NBA

537
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<v Speaker 2>with thirty five years of experience in healthcare, author of

538
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<v Speaker 2>a book entitled Healing Healthcare, Evidence Based Strategies for Mending

539
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<v Speaker 2>Our Broken System. Well, she wrote that, by the way,

540
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<v Speaker 2>with Sharon Weinstein, who is a registered nurse. Look, we

541
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<v Speaker 2>have some problems with our medical system in this country.

542
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<v Speaker 2>I still think it's the best of any in the world.

543
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<v Speaker 2>But I will tell you, Dina, we have a huge

544
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<v Speaker 2>doctor shortage here in Boston. We like to think of

545
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<v Speaker 2>ourselves as the medical capital. And when I say Boston,

546
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<v Speaker 2>I mean Greater Boston, which makes up about half of

547
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<v Speaker 2>New England. And there's a nursing shortage. I've seen it

548
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<v Speaker 2>myself recently when I've had friends who were in hospitals

549
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<v Speaker 2>and or rehabilitation centers. What happened? How did this happen?

550
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, did everybody decide to retire at COVID? Was

551
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<v Speaker 2>that what happened?

552
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<v Speaker 3>I'm serious, I said no, it's very First off, Dan,

553
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<v Speaker 3>thank you for having me. And this is a critical

554
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<v Speaker 3>issue that we have. I mean, this is so big

555
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<v Speaker 3>and people really need to wake up. And we've had

556
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<v Speaker 3>this problem before. What's exacerbated was the COVID situation, and

557
00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:46.559
<v Speaker 3>we continue to have this problem, except it's worse now.

558
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<v Speaker 3>We've got nurses that are leaving because they're fatigued, they're

559
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<v Speaker 3>burned out, they're overworked, they're overwhelmed. There's incivility, and they're

560
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<v Speaker 3>staff shortages and they are frantic, but they're just they're

561
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<v Speaker 3>shaking head and going, I can't take this anymore, and

562
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<v Speaker 3>we lose our nurse. The nurses, you know, is the

563
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<v Speaker 3>person who's the voice of you, the patient, but they're

564
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<v Speaker 3>also the collaborator with the physician who's going to help

565
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<v Speaker 3>make decisions about your care. So this is critical, very

566
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<v Speaker 3>critical time.

567
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<v Speaker 2>It's totally critical. Now the shortage is it standard across

568
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<v Speaker 2>the country or are there some areas just focusing on

569
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<v Speaker 2>the nursing shortage where it's greater than ever. Is it

570
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<v Speaker 2>rural communities or is it urban areas? Where is it?

571
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<v Speaker 2>Where's this nursing shortage the most critical?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>First off, it's everywhere. So I'm just going to say

574
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<v Speaker 3>that when we do have the outlying areas that we have,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, when you start looking at nurses that are

576
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<v Speaker 3>falling out and quitting, you know, it affects everybody. Across

577
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<v Speaker 3>the United States. There are forty two states according to

578
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<v Speaker 3>the Beckers Hospital Review, that have closed. You know a

579
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<v Speaker 3>lot of medical centers have closed. Forty two medical centers

580
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<v Speaker 3>have closed this last year. So and they're they're everywhere

581
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<v Speaker 3>they can be, rule they can be inside of you know,

582
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<v Speaker 3>the main suburbs of our city.

583
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<v Speaker 4>So it's it's a critical issue.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's just going to get worse. So we see

585
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<v Speaker 3>it everywhere.

586
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<v Speaker 2>So are there not enough nurses coming out of nursing schools?

587
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know that there's a lot of nursing schools.

588
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<v Speaker 2>Do they need to move more women. I know that

589
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people, men and women have decided to

590
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<v Speaker 2>become let's see physician's assistance. I think is the friends

591
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<v Speaker 2>pas uh is that considered to be, you know, a

592
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<v Speaker 2>higher calling than being a nurse. I can't imagine anything

593
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<v Speaker 2>that is a higher calling than being.

594
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<v Speaker 4>A nurse now.

595
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<v Speaker 3>I think the nurse is one of the most trusted

596
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<v Speaker 3>careers that in the United States and really across the world.

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<v Speaker 3>And according to the American Nurse Foundation. You know, when

598
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<v Speaker 3>we look at this shortage, now, we've got a lot

599
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<v Speaker 3>of nurses that are leaving, but we also have a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people that are interested in being a nurse.

601
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<v Speaker 3>But yet we have a huge number of you know,

602
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<v Speaker 3>nurses who are being denied getting into school because there's

603
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<v Speaker 3>not enough nurses to actually teach the academic side of nursing.

604
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<v Speaker 3>Then we get into the problem of we've got a

605
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<v Speaker 3>lot of nurses that have been nurses for a long

606
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<v Speaker 3>time they've decided to kind of throw up their hands

607
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<v Speaker 3>or saying I'm done. I've had my share of nursing.

608
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<v Speaker 3>I love it, but it's time for me to go.

609
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<v Speaker 3>And we see all of that knowledge leaving, you know,

610
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<v Speaker 3>with all of the older nurses. Now we've got new

611
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<v Speaker 3>nurses that are trying to come out being new nurses.

612
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<v Speaker 3>But then we don't even have the schools being able

613
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<v Speaker 3>to take on the nurses who even want to meet

614
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<v Speaker 3>nurses because of the academic shortage and that knowledge loss.

615
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<v Speaker 3>So we've got a great, big chunk of knowledge that

616
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<v Speaker 3>is leaving, and people don't understand when you leave that,

617
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<v Speaker 3>you know, that nurse knowledge leaves, it's hard to find

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<v Speaker 3>that and get that back.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's a critical time.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm a math guy. I'm a math guy. So

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<v Speaker 2>my question is we've had a period of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>decades where the uh, the number of children babies that

623
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<v Speaker 2>are being born is not at the rate that it

624
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<v Speaker 2>used to be back in the day of a family.

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<v Speaker 2>Now of three is considered a large of three children

626
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<v Speaker 2>is considered wow, three children, whereas in the old days

627
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<v Speaker 2>that you had to get the double digits before anyone

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<v Speaker 2>really noticed. And you also had this aging population they're

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<v Speaker 2>my group called the baby boomers. So those two mathematical

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<v Speaker 2>sets of statistics, a huge wave of boomers now going

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<v Speaker 2>through their seventies and into their eighties, with a smaller

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<v Speaker 2>population coming behind. Is that a mathematical fact factor that

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<v Speaker 2>has to be considered here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, And on top of that, what we have as

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<v Speaker 3>far as the statistics through the American Nurse Foundation is

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<v Speaker 3>also stating that, you know, new nurses are deciding to

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<v Speaker 3>get out and they've only been a nurse for two years.

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<v Speaker 3>So you take those numbers that you just talked about,

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<v Speaker 3>and you talk about new nurses coming out, they're not confident.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't have enough preceptors right now. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Jen Riggins, who is part of the Virginia second Congressional District,

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<v Speaker 3>has got a bill out there called the Precept Nurses Act,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's a seven year pilot program that they're trying

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<v Speaker 3>to get passed through to be able to create a

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<v Speaker 3>gap here, you know, something that will fill that gap

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<v Speaker 3>for new hires nurses who need more knowledge so that

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<v Speaker 3>it can precept the students and actually help also those

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<v Speaker 3>advanced practitioner candidates as well. So there's some things that

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<v Speaker 3>are happening, but you know, the numbers are striking when you.

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<v Speaker 4>Look at all of it.

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<v Speaker 3>There's so many things that are happening right now, and

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<v Speaker 3>new nurses if they don't stay. You know, Sharon and

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<v Speaker 3>I predicted in twenty years there won't be any healthcare.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let me ask you this. You use the word

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<v Speaker 2>with which I'm unfamiliar and I when I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>a word? What does preceptor mean? What does is that

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<v Speaker 2>a term of art? Yeah, in the nursing community, explain

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<v Speaker 2>what that means?

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<v Speaker 3>Now, preceptor is like a mentorship, right, So, nurses who

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<v Speaker 3>want to be preceptors for other nurses, they have to

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<v Speaker 3>go through a very rigorous training to do that. Most

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<v Speaker 3>of the preceptors have to do a lot of extra

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<v Speaker 3>training that's on their own expense. And if this bill passes,

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<v Speaker 3>it really allows these preceptors to realize a two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>dollars tax credit. So I think, you know, the society

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<v Speaker 3>needs to know how can we help nurses too? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>you can help by getting involved with your state, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>local people that are part of you know that your

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<v Speaker 3>congressional district, and try to help push some of this

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<v Speaker 3>agenda of making sure that we retain this key knowledge

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<v Speaker 3>that we're using at a vast rate right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But if let's say some veteran nurses would like

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<v Speaker 2>to be mentors to some mentees who are interested. Why

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<v Speaker 2>do we even have to have government involved in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't we just say to those nurses, hey, you

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead, you go and help whoever you can help,

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<v Speaker 2>give them some insight into the field. I mean, what's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if someone wants to become a golfer and

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<v Speaker 2>they want to go and take some golf lessons, we

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<v Speaker 2>don't need a congressional you know study on that. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you just got golf, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>We do.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you've got to have You know, these nurses

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<v Speaker 3>that have been nurses for a really long time, they

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<v Speaker 3>have been screaming for somebody to listen to them for

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<v Speaker 3>so long. We've missed the boat. We've got to wake up.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got to be able to create the environment for

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<v Speaker 3>these nurses so they can stay. They've been shouting this

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<v Speaker 3>from the mountaintops for a really long time, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they're just to this point that they're shaking their hands

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<v Speaker 3>and they're saying, we've got to get some help, wake

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<v Speaker 3>up world help.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, keep us posted as to anything we can do.

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<v Speaker 2>Your book, Healing Healthcare, Evidence Based Strategies for Mending our

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<v Speaker 2>Broken System, Dina reading Er, thank you so much. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for talking about this tonight. I'd love to do it again,

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<v Speaker 2>so Le Sucky, we would love.

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<v Speaker 6>To do that too.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much, and you can go to diagnosticsthinking

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<v Speaker 3>dot com if you want some other resources. Take care

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<v Speaker 3>and thanks for having me on.

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<v Speaker 2>You're welcome. Dan. When we get back right after the

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<v Speaker 2>nine o'clock news, I'm going to talk to you about

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<v Speaker 2>the strangest, weirdest story that I have seen in years,

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<v Speaker 2>and it happened in Waterbury, Connecticut. Why do you hear

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<v Speaker 2>this story? You won't believe it