Speaker 1: I do feel like this song encapsulates what our next
Speaker 1: guest means to The Drive Live Monday through Friday, two
Speaker 1: to six, Chris CAMARADDI live in studio on a Friday,
Speaker 1: used today like exclusively Fridays, and we got you on
Speaker 1: a Friday.
Speaker 2: Well it's summertime. Yeah, and my significant other is no
Speaker 2: longer working fair enough public educator. Yes, so I am
Speaker 2: free of my constraints.
Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate you rolling in Beach Boys fan Brian
Speaker 1: Wilson passing this.
Speaker 2: Week, huge fan. Yeah, I was listening to Fresh Air
Speaker 2: and they re aired his last two interviews with Terry
Speaker 2: Gross in nineteen eighty eight, nineteen ninety eight and very
Speaker 2: fascinating guy, very very sad story. If you don't know
Speaker 2: about Brian Wilson, like a very depressing but also enlightening
Speaker 2: human being, Like went through a lot of mental health challenges, sure,
Speaker 2: but a genius in his own right. And this song
Speaker 2: is one of my favorites of all time for a
Speaker 2: lot of reasons. But it always reminds me of the
Speaker 2: end Boogie Knights for sure, with the buck sup.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was fascinating to listen to Brian
Speaker 2: Wilson himself talk about all of his stuff in these
Speaker 2: old interviews.
Speaker 1: This week, we'll have to check that. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: seen the documentaries. And then there was a movie made,
Speaker 1: Love and Mercy, which was excellent. I lucked out. When
Speaker 1: I was ten years old, my uncle Nate played in
Speaker 1: a Beach Boys cover band called Surf's Up. Naturally, they
Speaker 1: played a lagoon and I thought he was like a
Speaker 1: beach boy. Wow, you know. And so when we moved
Speaker 1: back East, my uncle Nate, to his credit, yeah, to
Speaker 1: his ever living credit. Quite frankly, I think he knew
Speaker 1: this was going to be a difficult move for a
Speaker 1: ten year old. Sure, he gave me pet sounds on tape. Okay, wow,
Speaker 1: because I had a walkman at the time, not even
Speaker 1: a dismand this was nineteen eighty eight. Yeah, he gave
Speaker 1: me pet sounds on tape. He gave me Revolver on tape,
Speaker 1: Sergeant Pepper's on tape, and then another Beach Boys. He
Speaker 1: gave me two Beatles album and two Beach Boys albums
Speaker 1: on tape.
Speaker 2: Why haven't we hung out with Uncle Nate? Is he
Speaker 2: still around?
Speaker 1: Oh, he's around. He's the best.
Speaker 2: Why why haven't we hung out with uncle Nate. He
Speaker 2: is you know, uh, let's do it is he? Is
Speaker 2: he a namesake for your brother? Don't you have a brother?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, my brother Nate was named after my uncle Nate. No,
Speaker 1: my uncle Nate lives in Bountiful. Yeah. I think he
Speaker 1: has five six kids a bunch of grandkids.
Speaker 2: Now too, would uncle Nate want to hang out with
Speaker 2: Nate Bench?
Speaker 1: Yes, and now that's all I want, quite frankly. No,
Speaker 1: he's the sweetest guy and he he very much colored
Speaker 1: my musical taste as a kid, which I'm very grateful for.
Speaker 1: And he so he introduced me to the Beach Boys.
Speaker 1: Greatest American rock band of all time?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, probably, I think most influential at the time.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, if the Beatles don't burst out of
Speaker 2: the scene, I think the Beach Boys ride out the sixties,
Speaker 2: basically dominating that decade. But the Liverpool Invasion changed the dude.
Speaker 2: But like, if we're talking about if we're talking about
Speaker 2: Beach Boys versus you know, the soft dad rock of
Speaker 2: the seventies with the Eagles, Doobie Brothers, the yacht we
Speaker 2: get into some good yacht rock. Ironically, it's weird, like
Speaker 2: how many of those like I'm thinking of just off
Speaker 2: the top of my head, just like the band's basically
Speaker 2: mentioned or pseudo mentioned and almost famous. Most of them
Speaker 2: are British bands for sure. Like it's yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: I know that this is what people are wanting to
Speaker 2: listen to on a Friday, but on the sports radio.
Speaker 2: But it's like, it's fascinating. How if you really break
Speaker 2: it down in the lexicon of history of American rock
Speaker 2: and roll, the Beach Boys are absolutely up there.
Speaker 1: I think anyone who's listening to you and I knows
Speaker 1: the deal by now. I would hope so we might
Speaker 1: get into the top Phillips you more hoppin movies of
Speaker 1: all time? Again we did almost famous. So best American
Speaker 1: rock band of all time? Aerosmith, Eagles, this is Rolling Stones, List,
Speaker 1: Van Halen, The Doors, Metallica, Creedence, Grateful Dead, Tom.
Speaker 2: Petty, Creeden's gotta be up there, r Em.
Speaker 1: If you want to get weird, uh, Nirvana, Leonard Skinner, Velvet, Underground,
Speaker 1: Guns N' Roses, Dally Dan. It might be the Beach Boys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that might be the answer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think out of all those bands that you named,
Speaker 2: I would go Beach Boys, Steely Dan's gotta be in
Speaker 2: there and criminally under credence. Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: And CCR R em fan. I would imagine you a
Speaker 1: phase at one point. Yeah, you know, not too much
Speaker 1: and probably not the greatest.
Speaker 2: I kind of miss like your like I unfortunately didn't
Speaker 2: get the ninety one to ninety five grunge.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, our guy that we talked about that you forgot
Speaker 2: passed away like ten years ago, Chris Cornell, like like that,
Speaker 2: I kind of missed that window due to my age.
Speaker 2: And you bring that up, by.
Speaker 1: The way, I just had stumbled upon a Chris Cornell
Speaker 1: cover of Nothing Compares to You, Okay, and I was
Speaker 1: very impressed. I forgot he died literally a decade Sound
Speaker 1: Garden Food Fighters, Red Hot, Chill.
Speaker 2: Dow, I would throw red I throw Red Hot in
Speaker 2: the mix at least for a contemporary point of view
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: Pearl Jam, Crosby, Stills, Nash, and if my dad's listening,
Speaker 1: I have to include Young. In my house it was Crosby, Stills,
Speaker 1: Nash and Young because my dad was a huge Neil
Speaker 1: Young fan.
Speaker 2: Well he was the best one.
Speaker 1: Well, David Crosby man, Yeah, okay, I mean Melissa Etheridge
Speaker 1: chose him as her sperm donor to have a kid
Speaker 1: because he was such a talented musician. Let's stay and
Speaker 1: do this for an hour. That's cool, It's all I
Speaker 1: want to do.
Speaker 2: I hope to be that guy one day.
Speaker 1: You can't be you're that guy today. Okay, not one day,
Speaker 1: all right, Chris. Since we're getting weird, let's keep getting weird.
Speaker 1: Uh my guy poach who my guy poached? Tino? Let
Speaker 1: me start here. Does this change the way we view
Speaker 1: the job Greg did?
Speaker 2: No, it does not, No, But I you know I
Speaker 2: don't like two to my own horn. But do you
Speaker 2: remember my hottest take before the last World Cup?
Speaker 1: Well, remind me.
Speaker 2: Was that I would not be surprised if we didn't qualify.
Speaker 1: Yes, last week you did warn us, which was accurate,
Speaker 1: and we.
Speaker 2: Got dangerously close for a second. I mean we missed
Speaker 2: in eighteen. We got dangerously close in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: and Guitar.
Speaker 1: Didn't you call that we would miss eighteen to.
Speaker 2: No, you didn't. I that still too soon? The wounds
Speaker 2: are too deep, yeah, Trinidad and Tobago. Anyways, it doesn't
Speaker 2: change the job that Greg did because Greg didn't do
Speaker 2: a bad job and I think that's one thing that
Speaker 2: the soccer fans in this country are always going to
Speaker 2: be torn apart of the seams of how do we
Speaker 2: best utilize the talent that we have, How is this
Speaker 2: talent pool best deployed? And traditionally we've been and by
Speaker 2: traditionally I mean like our most successful international tournaments on
Speaker 2: the men's side in the last twenty years have been
Speaker 2: a bunch of guys who defend like hell and get
Speaker 2: it to your guys up front and makes them bleep happen.
Speaker 2: And that's not to say that those teams were incapable
Speaker 2: of playing this very fluid, possession style soccer that so
Speaker 2: many people worldwide play. But odds are when you're in
Speaker 2: a major international tournament as the US men's national team,
Speaker 2: you're going to more often than not be it a
Speaker 2: talent discrepancy, Like there is going to be a talent
Speaker 2: discrepancy and you're going to be on the other side
Speaker 2: of the coin. So when you get to these tournaments,
Speaker 2: how do you best utilize your talent? This quote unquote
Speaker 2: Golden Generation was supposed to be the era that would
Speaker 2: take us into the play with flair, possession, break teams down,
Speaker 2: tire them out and you have players that are capable
Speaker 2: of playing that style, but for a multitude of reasons,
Speaker 2: guys have been hurt over the years. You're talking about
Speaker 2: lots of drama. I mean, side note, we finally arrived
Speaker 2: as a soccer country because we just can't get out
Speaker 2: of our own way in terms of like the drama
Speaker 2: like that. That's when you like national teams worldwide are
Speaker 2: just like the most talked about sports soap opera, because
Speaker 2: that's all like it really is.
Speaker 1: You sent me an article on the French national team.
Speaker 2: Yes, you my, yeah, like moms getting involved with stuff
Speaker 2: and like telling players that they shouldn't like tackle their
Speaker 2: sons in training. Yes, that was I think that was
Speaker 2: Euro twenty twenty two, when France flamed out after winning
Speaker 2: the World Cup in eighteen.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: But Greg didn't do a bad job. And I and.
Speaker 3: I I think what what what the run of results
Speaker 3: under Pochatino showed us is that we have to recalibrate
Speaker 3: our expectations of this team because we're everybody.
Speaker 2: Is talking about this landmark once in a generational moment
Speaker 2: next summer across the US, Mexico and Canada. I mean
Speaker 2: it is, but I don't know if we're to the
Speaker 2: point now, Spence, that you're going to bring in people
Speaker 2: that haven't bought into the sport. Like I don't think
Speaker 2: that you're gonna have parents watch the US men's national
Speaker 2: team play. Let's just let's just say like Slovakia or
Speaker 2: Switzerland next year in Austin, in Dallas, and they're not
Speaker 2: gonna say, oh, I'm gonna have to get my kid
Speaker 2: involved in soccer now right right the people who involved
Speaker 2: on the ground level as fans are are loving it.
Speaker 2: No matter what. People will get their Olympic fever type,
Speaker 2: you know, temperature every four years with the World Cup.
Speaker 2: But I I just I think everybody kind of has
Speaker 2: to pump the brakes on. This is going to change
Speaker 2: soccer in this country. I don't know if it is.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's a fair point. When the last World
Speaker 1: Cup was here in ninety four, it did spawn the
Speaker 1: creation of Major League Soccer of MLS, so there was that.
Speaker 1: But you know, when it comes to the effect of
Speaker 1: a World Cup in our region on the sport, it's
Speaker 1: just something that I hear every time. You know, there's
Speaker 1: I remember when we brought the club here on two
Speaker 1: thousand and four. Don Garber was saying, this is great
Speaker 1: timing because the World Cup's in two years. It wasn't
Speaker 1: here two thousands in Germany two thousand and six World Cup.
Speaker 1: It was the first World Cup I watched. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is awesome. Yeah, and we got worked. We did
Speaker 1: get worked. But I think there is a little bit
Speaker 1: of a initial bump that the sport receives every time
Speaker 1: there's a World Cup cycle, but it's never fully sustained.
Speaker 1: I mean, this sport has been a slow grow and
Speaker 1: a slow burn just to get to where it is
Speaker 1: and if it's ever going to get to where it
Speaker 1: potentially could be. When you watch the way it's played internationally,
Speaker 1: it's still decades and decades away.
Speaker 2: It's not in our DNA man. Like I don't want
Speaker 2: to sound like a fatalist here, but if you don't
Speaker 2: like it, you don't love it, you don't like it,
Speaker 2: and you don't love it, like you're not going to
Speaker 2: tune in casually to watch a soccer game. You're just not.
Speaker 2: And that bleeds into all of the issues going around
Speaker 2: the men's national team right now, Like you know, who
Speaker 2: decided to show up for the Gold Cup, who was
Speaker 2: told not to show up for the Gold Cup. Former
Speaker 2: players who are often the speakerphone now for you know,
Speaker 2: being the guys on the lawn shaking their fists in
Speaker 2: the air. Like I said, we've we've kind of arrived
Speaker 2: in a sense like that. It's it's kind of a
Speaker 2: bleep show. And that's how it is around most of
Speaker 2: the world because it's it's what matters to most people,
Speaker 2: Like they have so much pride their national teams, and
Speaker 2: often national teams are very chaotic because personalities drive it all.
Speaker 2: I mean, Christiano Ronald was forty years old and he's
Speaker 2: still scoring in finals. But he's he's also a pain
Speaker 2: in the ass. But people know that, like when you're
Speaker 2: once in a generational player, you're gonna put up with
Speaker 2: a pain in the ass because that's just what you do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know where this team goes. Like That's why
Speaker 2: I say, I think we have to recalibrate how we
Speaker 2: look at next Summer's World Cup as a as a whole,
Speaker 2: because it's awesome that it's here. But I mean, we've
Speaker 2: talked about this before, man, Like we're talking about putting
Speaker 2: soccer in football stadiums, American football stadiums, around the country,
Speaker 2: which generally doesn't make they're not built. It's gonna look different,
Speaker 2: it's gonna feel different. They're gonna be laying grass over
Speaker 2: artificial turf in some places. Now I'll be a little
Speaker 2: bit of elitist. In Mexico will look better because they're
Speaker 2: gonna be in stadiums that are designed to play and
Speaker 2: how soccer Matt is full time Canada the same way.
Speaker 2: But this team was never going to be the team
Speaker 2: even before this poor run of form with Pochettino, that
Speaker 2: was going to be like, Oh, these guys are gonna
Speaker 2: have what it takes to make the semis. I just
Speaker 2: didn't believe it.
Speaker 1: Well, one of the points you made earlier, which is
Speaker 1: a really good one, because Pochettino said, we are going
Speaker 1: to be on the front foot. We are going to
Speaker 1: play with flair, we are going to attack.
Speaker 2: That's who he is, man.
Speaker 1: But that's not who we are.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's who we want to be. But we
Speaker 2: aren't there.
Speaker 1: But to your point earlier, whenever we've even had a
Speaker 1: modicum of success, it's like one nill Landon scores a
Speaker 1: miracle goal at the death against Algeria or whatever. Right,
Speaker 1: we've never been the team that's like gonna lose five
Speaker 1: to four or win three to two. We're always the gritty,
Speaker 1: defensive club that relies on our keeper. Historically speaking, we
Speaker 1: have had pretty elite keepers. I'm not sure if that's
Speaker 1: the deal now.
Speaker 2: This is a backwards US team, yeah.
Speaker 1: And relies on a back four and even a team
Speaker 1: that will defend as a group and then they be
Speaker 1: catching on the counter or maybe get lucky. That's who
Speaker 1: we've always been. But Pochettino wants a different approach. I
Speaker 1: don't know that he has the personnel for that.
Speaker 2: He doesn't. Yeah, Like I said, this is a backwards team.
Speaker 2: The strength in this team is in the attacking third,
Speaker 2: and the weakness in this team is in the defensive
Speaker 2: third ending goal, which is like you, I don't. You
Speaker 2: probably couldn't say that about a US team going back
Speaker 2: all the way till the eighties, like honestly, like until
Speaker 2: really Casey Keller burst on the scene in the mid nineties. Like,
Speaker 2: this is a very hard team to deconstruct from a
Speaker 2: like a tactical point of view, because they don't do
Speaker 2: a lot well. It's odd, though, because so many of
Speaker 2: these guys came up playing with each other, So like,
Speaker 2: it's not like Greg or Pochettino were making these guys
Speaker 2: like solve ap calculus. Like it's not. I think, like
Speaker 2: the nerds need to put their their drawing boards away
Speaker 2: and just be like, why can't these guys play well
Speaker 2: together in any sort of system, whether it's under greg
Speaker 2: Or Pochettino or BJ Callahan who was the interim. I
Speaker 2: mean they played well under PJ, but like it was
Speaker 2: a very short stint, But like, why is it that
Speaker 2: this group that by all accounts is the most talented,
Speaker 2: that grew up with each other for all intents and purposes,
Speaker 2: why can't they consistently play well together when they do
Speaker 2: come together for these national team camps.
Speaker 1: So part of me believes, whether it was Bob Bradley
Speaker 1: or Jurgen or Greg or now Pochettino, you gotta find
Speaker 1: the guy you like and you got to stick with him.
Speaker 1: I think, I mean that that's my opinion. However, when
Speaker 1: you juxtapose that here to other places, other countries that
Speaker 1: are really good change their managers so every cycle.
Speaker 2: Right if not if yeah, they'll rip them, they'll take them.
Speaker 2: They'll rip the band aid right off. If there's a
Speaker 2: bad run of form.
Speaker 1: So when it comes to how impatient we've been with coaches,
Speaker 1: is that just status quo or do you think we
Speaker 1: need to find the guy that we like to ride
Speaker 1: with them.
Speaker 2: No. I mean, like I would be surprised if Pochettino
Speaker 2: is the coach after this World Cup. I think he
Speaker 2: was brought in to try to take this group to
Speaker 2: new heights. And you're talking about a national You're talking
Speaker 2: about a national team coach coaching the national team level
Speaker 2: for the first time. He's been a club He's been
Speaker 2: a club manager forever. And when you're a club manager,
Speaker 2: you're around these guys Spence basically more than really any
Speaker 2: other professional sport in the world. These guys take a
Speaker 2: four week break in the summertime. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 2: Otherwise they're they're back training in August and they some
Speaker 2: of them play all the way through May or June.
Speaker 2: So like I'm talking about like four to six weeks tops.
Speaker 2: So these coaches, like Paunch is used to having his
Speaker 2: finger tips on guys at his disposal, like whenever he wants.
Speaker 2: And now you're talking about a dude who has gotten
Speaker 2: a few camps together, hasn't had his best strikers have
Speaker 2: been hurt, Balagan's been hurt, Pepi's been hurt. Uh Pulisic
Speaker 2: has you know, getting getting knocks. Nobody knows what's gonna
Speaker 2: happen with Geo Rena. Again, it's not what people want
Speaker 2: to hear, but like, I just think we have to
Speaker 2: try and recalibrate the expectations of this group going into
Speaker 2: next year. Regardless of where this was going to be held,
Speaker 2: if this was going to be held in Japan or
Speaker 2: South Africa or wherever in Germany, this group hasn't shown
Speaker 2: that they've been able to take in the next st
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't believe it's almost been four years
Speaker 2: since Guitar three and a half because they played in
Speaker 2: the winter time, but there hasn't been results. Nobody's really
Speaker 2: made that much of a jump. Christian's been really good
Speaker 2: at AC Milan, but like he's finally realizing the expectations
Speaker 2: that everybody put on him. But other than that, you're
Speaker 2: kind of like, who's going to step up and take
Speaker 2: a game by the scruff outside of Christian And we
Speaker 2: don't really have any of those guys.
Speaker 1: So if we didn't have the auto qualification situation as
Speaker 1: a result of the World Cup being here, would we
Speaker 1: be in trouble?
Speaker 2: I don't think so, because this is I just have
Speaker 2: a hard time seeing that happening, but it is. It is.
Speaker 2: We're at a time now where it's kind of like bleeper,
Speaker 2: get off the pot in terms of figuring out who's
Speaker 2: going to be in your starting eleven, who's going to
Speaker 2: be in your game day roster, how do you want
Speaker 2: to play? Who are you going to play against? Like
Speaker 2: you don't we won't know the World Cup drop for
Speaker 2: a few months now, but like man, I shudder at
Speaker 2: the idea of what would happen if the US lays
Speaker 2: another egg on home soil after Copa America, after your
Speaker 2: favorite tournament Conka Caffe Nations lead. That is my jam.
Speaker 2: Like the only time this group has shown up weirdly
Speaker 2: is against Mexico in big tournaments in recent years, but
Speaker 2: against everybody else when the lights are the brightest, they
Speaker 2: kind of cower and it's really fascinating.
Speaker 1: So what is your opinion on uh? Christian polistic? H
Speaker 1: Tyler Adams was hurt right?
Speaker 2: Tyler played?
Speaker 1: Tyler played Okay Weston, McKinney.
Speaker 2: Weston and Tim Ware with Juventus because they're at club
Speaker 2: where they're playing in this club world for the first time.
Speaker 1: Okay, And we had Donny on yesterday and you know,
Speaker 1: I can name like the top four or five dudes
Speaker 1: and weren't there. Donny gave me a list of like
Speaker 1: eleven or twelve players that he thinks will be on
Speaker 1: the World Cup roster that are not on the Goal
Speaker 1: Cup roster, and he said probably seven starters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this dynamic where the Gold Cup, historically speaking,
Speaker 1: has been an opportunity for some of the players that
Speaker 1: aren't in the first choice group to showcase their talents.
Speaker 1: We have examples here before Kyle and Nick were part
Speaker 1: of the legitimate rotation for a World Cup. They kind
Speaker 1: of made their name in the Goal Cup. Kyle scored
Speaker 1: a goal, Nick was one of the starting keepers, played well.
Speaker 1: Beltran was on a Gold Cup roster. That's right. So,
Speaker 1: historically speaking, the Gold Cup is a place for lesser
Speaker 1: known players to showcase their abilities. Do you have a
Speaker 1: problem with these players tapping out based on the fact
Speaker 1: that this Goal Cup is one year away from the
Speaker 1: World Cup.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I think I'm the rare voice or
Speaker 2: you know opinion that nobody really cares about outside of
Speaker 2: we care about it. You're right, That's one thing that
Speaker 2: can't be lost here is historically the Gold Cup was
Speaker 2: a place for people who needed to cut their teeth
Speaker 2: and impress the manager to try to get on the
Speaker 2: radar for the next big tournament the following summer or
Speaker 2: in the years to come. So Christian not playing have
Speaker 2: no problem with it. The guys at the Club World
Speaker 2: Cup have no problem with it. You know, Anthony Robinson,
Speaker 2: who is one of our best players, had to get
Speaker 2: knee surgery. I'm trying to think desk is coming back
Speaker 2: from an acl Like honestly, I think people are just
Speaker 2: over compensating with their rationale, with their frustration of guys
Speaker 2: not being available or being there versus the current player
Speaker 2: pool that paulch has just not being good enough.
Speaker 1: And that to me was the main takeaway, Like if
Speaker 1: we look that bad without our top players, it is
Speaker 1: a commentary on we just don't have depth.
Speaker 2: Don't have depth and don't know how to play. I mean,
Speaker 2: like if you I don't know if you watched the
Speaker 2: Switzerland match, but like the first.
Speaker 1: I got home and turned it on, it was four nail.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the first half was basically it was
Speaker 2: everybody on their own. Nobody knew how to press together,
Speaker 2: nobody knew how to defend together. Nobody were staying in blocks.
Speaker 2: The lines were being broken. So I mean, like those
Speaker 2: goals that they were giving up, man, like that was
Speaker 2: like embarrassing. It was really really embarrassing. And like couple
Speaker 2: that with Matt Turner spilling one and like there he
Speaker 2: already doesn't have a lot of you know, success in
Speaker 2: between the pipes in recent years, and you just wonder,
Speaker 2: like do these guys believe themselves? And I think that,
Speaker 2: to me is one of the most you know, interesting
Speaker 2: kind of underlying parts of this whole conversation is you're
Speaker 2: talking about a young generation who is easily the most
Speaker 2: talented and have the most success at the international club level.
Speaker 2: But the when like I said, when the bright lights shine,
Speaker 2: they haven't been able to deliver. So like are is
Speaker 2: there is there a little bit of doubt in the
Speaker 2: minds of the guys. Is their collective doubt Like you
Speaker 2: just want to see some sort of change like between
Speaker 2: World Cup cycles and you just haven't seen it. Granted,
Speaker 2: I will say I'll have to correct myself. The the
Speaker 2: the asen hind decision to bring Greg Burhalter back after
Speaker 2: the last World Cup and then have that whole thing
Speaker 2: flame out was ridiculous. So there is a change in
Speaker 2: a sense. But like I said, the only player that
Speaker 2: really has burst onto the scene, so to speak, is
Speaker 2: a dude from here, like it is Wild. That's not
Speaker 2: taking nothing away from Diego. Diego has proved that he
Speaker 2: should be in the World Cup roster next year. But
Speaker 2: like considering where a lot of these guys play, like
Speaker 2: and and the amount of resources that we've you know,
Speaker 2: devoted to so many of these guys and the youth
Speaker 2: system here, like this golden generation, nobody else is coming
Speaker 2: through the pipeline. Like if you're if your top level
Speaker 2: guys are not there, then there needs to be some
Speaker 2: sort of reinforcements behind this quote unquote golden generation behind him.
Speaker 1: For sure, It's a great point because I can also
Speaker 1: remember when we brought rs here in two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: the Commissioner Garber and Mark ab and others talking about
Speaker 1: how we are a generation away from really seeing our
Speaker 1: national team fly because of all of the resources that
Speaker 1: have been put in place to develop players who at
Speaker 1: the time are the players that we're seeing now. And
Speaker 1: to be fair, there have been some success stories like
Speaker 1: Christian and others, but I don't feel like we're any
Speaker 1: closer than we were twenty years ago to really having
Speaker 1: a legitimate shot of doing anything other than just getting
Speaker 1: out of the birth.
Speaker 2: And that's okay, And that's what I mean when I
Speaker 2: say like we have to just everyone needs to take
Speaker 2: a breather and understand where we sit in the world landscape.
Speaker 1: Something well. Jurgen Klinsman himself was asked will the US
Speaker 1: every win a World Cup? And he was like no,
Speaker 1: and he got a viscery lost his job.
Speaker 2: He's not wrong, I know, man, And that's okay. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there are listen, there are there are football. There are
Speaker 2: soccer countries in Europe that produce an insane amount of
Speaker 2: talented players that have trouble getting to the Euros right
Speaker 2: every four years because of how much talent they have
Speaker 2: to go up against. So the fact that we're in
Speaker 2: our geographical footprint, we have it. Okay. Canada is coming on.
Speaker 2: It's great for Conca cap It's good for this region.
Speaker 2: Mexico is starting to wake up a little bit. The
Speaker 2: Central American teams are a little shaky compared to where
Speaker 2: they have been historically. But like, if we can get
Speaker 2: out of group stage and and have a puncher's chance
Speaker 2: and the puncher's chance in the round of sixteen every
Speaker 2: single Men's World Cup, I think that's a success. I
Speaker 2: think we're operating there. You have delusions of grandeur if
Speaker 2: you think that this country, even with the current playerpool
Speaker 2: it has right now, needs to be on the precipice
Speaker 2: of making a run to the World Cup final. We
Speaker 2: just don't have the horses. And that's okay.
Speaker 1: You ever met Alexi Laless I.
Speaker 2: Have, and I've talked to Alexi multiple times. He's always
Speaker 2: he's always been very good to me. He's always given
Speaker 2: me a lot of you know, interesting insight, especially back
Speaker 2: when I was on the RSL beat days. But hey man,
Speaker 2: everybody gets a check, all right.
Speaker 1: All right, before we catch a break, just give me
Speaker 1: a quick Rsel thought. So no diego, no don Mark, Zuke,
Speaker 1: no gozo. Uh your guy Johnny Russell in the starting
Speaker 1: eleven coming up against DC on Saturday. DC is coming
Speaker 1: off a game where they got smoke seven to one.
Speaker 2: Not great. I was at home too, it was at home.
Speaker 1: Uh not great. Bob, as the kids would say, I
Speaker 1: don't know who's going to be in the attack because
Speaker 1: they're Tyler Wolf.
Speaker 2: No love for Tyler Wolf. RSL is a developmental club spence.
Speaker 1: Not based off the interviews I've gone over the past
Speaker 1: few weeks. I mean, Peel's gonna be up top or
Speaker 1: what my guy a big WILLI goals?
Speaker 2: He's coming, he's coming off a goal recently.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, Peel's not with them? Actually, oh is he not?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Will be big Willy goals up top? And your guy
Speaker 1: Johnny Russell starting. Diego is back in the good graces
Speaker 1: of Pablo. Can they win on Saturday? At least? Can
Speaker 1: they just get three points on Saturday? Probably not.
Speaker 2: They will need Diogo to put together one of his best,
Speaker 2: if not his best performance in an RSL kit, and
Speaker 2: they need to show some semblance of being able to
Speaker 2: have an idea in the attacking third and also not
Speaker 2: give up very stupid goals. That's asking a lot about
Speaker 2: this team right now.
Speaker 1: It is all right, we'll catch a break coming up next. Ck,
Speaker 1: we'll break down house to the NCAA settlement. What's next?
Speaker 1: How will the funds be distributed? What does it mean
Speaker 1: for nil? So stay tuned for that. But before we
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Speaker 1: a Friday Drive on ESPN seven hundred, one hundred, Chris
Speaker 1: Camaradi is live in studio for one more big segments.
Speaker 1: All right, man did a little soccer. Last segments move
Speaker 1: over to the space of college football. First of all,
Speaker 1: any exciting athletic teases for the upcoming season. I know
Speaker 1: you were back east for meetings. Anything you want to know, Jack,
Speaker 1: you strong meetings?
Speaker 2: Do you have some some some bigger enterprise stories coming
Speaker 2: down the pipe? This summer and this fall will be
Speaker 2: on the road for some of the more interesting college
Speaker 2: football games from a culture perspective, and it'll be fun.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there there, there are. There are big ones,
Speaker 2: but nothing I can tease necessarily, But there will be
Speaker 2: stories that we will definitely be talking about on this
Speaker 2: radio show.
Speaker 1: Will you be covering Bill Belichick and his young girlfriend?
Speaker 2: I will not. We have a great North Carolina bas
Speaker 2: writer named Brendan Marx who covers North Carolina and duke basketball,
Speaker 2: but with Bill being there, his job is changed.
Speaker 1: Kind of an odd story that people seem to be
Speaker 1: very obsessed with. I'm not one that clutches pearls, over
Speaker 1: age gaps and relationships. And why do you think it's
Speaker 1: captured so many people's imaginations.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was all their fault. The CBS sent this.
Speaker 2: If they don't, if they don't make a stink about
Speaker 2: the Sunday Morning interview, I think I think that's it.
Speaker 2: Like you gave people a reason to think anything they want, basically,
Speaker 2: and and you're talking about like, dude, Sunday Morning, my
Speaker 2: parents watch CBS and like you're not getting You're not
Speaker 2: It's a great I love it, but I'm just saying
Speaker 2: like you're not dealing with like hard hitting, like you're
Speaker 2: nobody's been being grilled over this, Like Bill was toting
Speaker 2: a book. He wrote a book about his own life,
Speaker 2: and they're trying to control the narrative about what questions
Speaker 2: were pre you know, given the greenlight can be break, dude.
Speaker 2: So after that happened, I think the gloves were off
Speaker 2: because people were already kind of fascinated. And now that
Speaker 2: he's at a public institution, like you can get a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff because you can foy and grandmother stuff,
Speaker 2: and you know, guys like Brandon. I mentioned Matt, my colleague,
Speaker 2: Matt Baker, who is a public recordswizz. Like we've broken
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff about Bill Belichick and his girlfriend
Speaker 2: and just how odd it is at the University of
Speaker 2: North Carolina because it's a public institution, and of all
Speaker 2: the things that I never thought we'd be talking about
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, it's Bill Belichick, who historically has
Speaker 2: always been a very guarded, curmudgeonly fellow, toting his own
Speaker 2: book with his you know, with his girlfriend at his side,
Speaker 2: with his girlfriend supposedly having a lot to do behind
Speaker 2: the scenes in college football in twenty twenty five. Never
Speaker 2: would have thought. I mean, like growing up, like you
Speaker 2: would watch Bill Belichick press conferences and you'd be like, what, like,
Speaker 2: is this dude having a bad day? And now he's
Speaker 2: he has to kind of mean, he's out recruiting, he's
Speaker 2: doing all this stuff. He's he's chosen us a new
Speaker 2: lease on life. Let's just say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, for sure, for sure, all right, Chris. Last Friday,
Speaker 1: about ten minutes after we signed off air, I got
Speaker 1: the alart on my phone that the house of v
Speaker 1: NCAA settlement was actually finally pushed across the line.
Speaker 2: Friday news dump, Friday news.
Speaker 1: Dump after the show. So twenty point five million dollars
Speaker 1: at the disposal. Aflect of athletic departments to now pay
Speaker 1: the young people to play sports and institutions I don't
Speaker 1: like the term student athlete. The general model seems to
Speaker 1: be and this is not every institution in P four.
Speaker 1: It will change based off the variants of what your
Speaker 1: unique situation is. Like Utah does have a gymnastics program
Speaker 1: that brings a lot of revenue and eyes right, but
Speaker 1: the general model seems to be seventy five percent of
Speaker 1: the twenty point five mil will go to football. I
Speaker 1: think ten percent will go to men's basketball or no,
Speaker 1: fifteen percent will go to men's basketball, five percent goes
Speaker 1: to women's basketball, and five percent is left over for
Speaker 1: everybody else. Do you feel like that's kind of where
Speaker 1: most of the institutions will land.
Speaker 2: Yeah, based on my conversations with folks at the P
Speaker 2: four and the Group of five level, they've said, and
Speaker 2: this was before it got pasted, they were waiting in
Speaker 2: the world of anywhere from fifty to seventy five going
Speaker 2: to football. And these are different institutions around the country
Speaker 2: that have different you know, points of view, that have
Speaker 2: different powerhouse programs that aren't necessarily football. But it's going
Speaker 2: to be interesting to see which teams vacillate between you know,
Speaker 2: going all in on football, which most will do. But
Speaker 2: there will be lots of schools that don't have to
Speaker 2: because they know that in investing in I mean investing
Speaker 2: in men's basketball, women's basketball. There will be exceptions, like
Speaker 2: you mentioned with Utah and the Red Rocks. I would
Speaker 2: imagine there will be others. I mean, Oklahoma softball is
Speaker 2: a powerhouse, like you're gonna have to, you know, pay
Speaker 2: these folks the the Texas Tech picture that signed from
Speaker 2: Stanford and who became the first female softball player to
Speaker 2: earn a million dollars in an IL like, you're going
Speaker 2: to have to figure out a way to market yourself
Speaker 2: and be tantalizing enough to student athletes. Even if we're
Speaker 2: talking beyond the revenue generating sports of football and men's
Speaker 2: men's basketball.
Speaker 1: Do you think, and this is an interesting conversation because
Speaker 1: there are multiple layers here. You just can't debate that
Speaker 1: the football program is your cash cow. You cannot debate
Speaker 1: that football generates the most revenue. Next year will mark
Speaker 1: a decade between NC DOUBLEA appearances for Utah men's basketball,
Speaker 1: which is wild to think about. If you're a P
Speaker 1: four basketball program and you are not making the NC
Speaker 1: DOUBLEA tournament, you are leaving a grip of cash on
Speaker 1: the table. So Mark has an interesting decision to make.
Speaker 1: Right But, just theoretically speaking or philosophically speaking, should the
Speaker 1: money be allocated to your product that does give you
Speaker 1: the best return on investment or is there a case
Speaker 1: to be made that some of this money should probably
Speaker 1: go to sports that have not historically received the investment
Speaker 1: or attention they need. Because if you're a women's soccer
Speaker 1: player at the University of Utah, men's baseball player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you see the final split and you go up
Speaker 1: to the dorm or whatever, and the football players are
Speaker 1: showing you their paycheck and you're like, wait a seconds.
Speaker 1: These things are more complex than meets the eye. So
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on, just philosophically, how this revenue
Speaker 1: should be split.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you came to me because I know that
Speaker 2: you know that when it comes to investments, yes and markets, Yes,
Speaker 2: I'm the guy.
Speaker 1: How is your portfolio these days?
Speaker 2: I would say strong to quite strong.
Speaker 1: It's Bolivian Wormwood. It took seventy two hours. I believe
Speaker 1: they call it a hookah. I still think think it's
Speaker 1: it's Ben Stiller's best movie. I know you disagree it's
Speaker 1: I still believe that.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just because it's a it's a nostalgia thing.
Speaker 2: It's heavyweights for me, and it was a big shot,
Speaker 2: a big show. Listen, you can look at it from
Speaker 2: a multitude of ways. You can look at it by
Speaker 2: investing in a historically downtrodden program that if it hits,
Speaker 2: we'll bring more money in. If we're talking about Utah,
Speaker 2: for example, or you can you can theoretically go fifty
Speaker 2: to fifty or or give more. Because if we're talking
Speaker 2: about Utah women's gymnastics, they are the exception. I don't
Speaker 2: think you have a lot of non revenue generating sports
Speaker 2: that are revenue generating sports like Utah gymnastics is around
Speaker 2: the country. Like it's it's hard to quantify how unique
Speaker 2: it is. They're selling that place out every single night.
Speaker 2: When was the last time you're waiting to drop and
Speaker 2: meet the parents? Y day by day? Oh lord? Three?
Speaker 2: See lord, Like, when was the last time Utah men's
Speaker 2: basketball sold out the Huntsman Center? I mean, like, like
Speaker 2: legit hold it out, like the Red Rocks are doing that.
Speaker 2: I know they don't have as many home meets as
Speaker 2: men's basketball has teams, but like.
Speaker 1: There have been some one offs here and there, but
Speaker 1: can see but honestly, I'm not even sure there's been
Speaker 1: that in a long time.
Speaker 2: So when it comes to investments, you have to you
Speaker 2: have to pick your pick your spots.
Speaker 1: And are you a podthead falker? Sorry I keep going,
Speaker 1: I'm listening.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I was thinking about the poem that he
Speaker 2: your name was Angela.
Speaker 1: You gave me milk like an unstoppable rebel force. Oh
Speaker 1: so good.
Speaker 2: The parallels between the House Settlement and Robert De Niro
Speaker 2: dialogue is not lost on me. Anyways. If we're talking
Speaker 2: about UTAH specifically, Mark and his team have hard questions answered,
Speaker 2: because you can't leave a program that has made you
Speaker 2: money and has put butts in the seats at the altar,
Speaker 2: so to speak, in favor of the one that historically
Speaker 2: in the last ten years you mentioned it'll be ten
Speaker 2: years since they've made an NCAA tournament that hasn't really
Speaker 2: given you much from a revenue generating point of view.
Speaker 2: So it's it's tough, man, it's this. This is where
Speaker 2: now that we know and eventually they'll tell us like,
Speaker 2: this is where everybody gets to figure out a way
Speaker 2: that you can accurately criticize or or applaud an athletic
Speaker 2: department for doing their jobs.
Speaker 1: The other element is what was Alex Jensen promised before
Speaker 1: he left a really good job to take this job.
Speaker 1: And you also do have to balance. You make a
Speaker 1: good point about like, well, look, if we're not making
Speaker 1: the NCAA tournament, do you guys deserve investment or if
Speaker 1: we could make the NCAA tournament consistently, that does provide
Speaker 1: a lot more revenue than the basketball program has brought in.
Speaker 1: Or do you bump that up a little bit to
Speaker 1: give the basketball team more support so they can actually
Speaker 1: start winning games and make and making the tournament?
Speaker 2: Are we talking honestly on the drive?
Speaker 1: We only talk honestly on the drive.
Speaker 2: Do we know enough? Is there enough empirical data to
Speaker 2: say whether or not Utah is going to be a
Speaker 2: potential nc double A tournament team next year? I would
Speaker 2: say no.
Speaker 1: I would agree with you. I think that's a tough
Speaker 1: ask year one.
Speaker 2: For al tough ask. And again I would I would
Speaker 2: ask all of your listeners to not always drink the
Speaker 2: kool aid of the folks in this media market who
Speaker 2: are saying, you know these guys, watch out for these guys.
Speaker 2: My guy, who is also your guy, tweeted that there's
Speaker 2: at least going to be one pro player on this
Speaker 2: upcoming Utah men's basketball roster. Our guy.
Speaker 1: He also joined the show and set his sources indicate
Speaker 1: any direction is possible.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, alright at five okay.
Speaker 1: So yes, yeah, and who knows, maybe he's right.
Speaker 2: And maybe he's right, But what I'm saying is that
Speaker 2: you have to have some sort of foundational data as
Speaker 2: Alex from Alex as a head coach before you can,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, go really all in.
Speaker 1: You're no, You're right, And I've said that from the
Speaker 1: start because I just, you know, I think Al's the
Speaker 1: right guy. I think it was the right hire, and
Speaker 1: so I am not going to be over the top
Speaker 1: about expectations for this roster. Y're one, and if anybody
Speaker 1: out there is telling you they've been grinding tape on
Speaker 1: these new players, they're lying. We don't know what it's gonna.
Speaker 2: Be Delaware State, I don't. I mean, let's be honest.
Speaker 2: If I think one dude came from like Cincinnati, I
Speaker 2: don't even know. I'm I'm not schooled on where these
Speaker 2: guys came from. But they're not coming from. There's an
Speaker 2: Auburn guy that I think maybe didn't play a lot,
Speaker 2: and Auburn's been good.
Speaker 1: Well in that case, championship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, championship, but other than that, let's everyone take a
Speaker 2: chill pill.
Speaker 1: While we're in the space of taking a chill pill,
Speaker 1: I'm here. Vegas over under Utah football wins seven point five.
Speaker 1: Every single you guys at the Athletic two four seven, ESPN,
Speaker 1: everybody does the whole like, hey, way too early, Big
Speaker 1: twelve look ahead. Utah is pretty Utah football is pretty
Speaker 1: squarely in the middle. They don't have the expectations of
Speaker 1: winning the thing, at least from what I've seen. I
Speaker 1: think Phil Steele, your guy, did pick Utah as one
Speaker 1: of the top three teams if I saw that correctly.
Speaker 1: So taking a chill pill.
Speaker 2: Utah football expected Devin Dampier Heisman candidacy.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet, but you know I.
Speaker 2: Means based on what I've been told by multiple people
Speaker 2: who watch practice secretly, he's going to be a Heisman
Speaker 2: Trophy candidate.
Speaker 1: I've been told to say.
Speaker 2: I say that in jest, but I don't know if
Speaker 2: people really get it.
Speaker 1: Well a few KSL videos with it.
Speaker 2: Listen, man, again, beyond basketball, nobody knows what the hell
Speaker 2: this football team's going to look like offensively next year.
Speaker 2: So we're taking chill pills. I employ you all to
Speaker 2: take a chill pill. Devin damp Pierce tape. His highlights
Speaker 2: that you watched on Twitter are awesome. I guarantee you
Speaker 2: didn't watch the twelve interceptions he threw. Last year he
Speaker 2: threw he had like a fifty eight percent completion rate.
Speaker 2: You were probably looking at a lot of awesome plays
Speaker 2: that he made, but you probably weren't watching, you know,
Speaker 2: some air and throws that he had, which is fine.
Speaker 2: One thing we have to get out in the clear
Speaker 2: in this market is that just because you're not bending
Speaker 2: the knee, you're not You're not a villain, You're not
Speaker 2: a but you can be critical without being viewed as
Speaker 2: the villain.
Speaker 1: You're preaching to the choir man.
Speaker 2: I know you are, but I'm just saying, like we are,
Speaker 2: we are venturing into very dangerous territory here.
Speaker 1: But that's also But that's not just Utah.
Speaker 2: No, I know that. I'm just saying, it's it's everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's our guys downtown center.
Speaker 2: And it's the guy's forty miles down south. I get that.
Speaker 2: It's everywhere, So it's not it's not specific to the
Speaker 2: guys off or car away. But will Utah be better
Speaker 2: next year? They will? I promise you. Are they going
Speaker 2: to change the world offensively? Probably not? Will they be
Speaker 2: better offensively? God? You have to hope. So because of
Speaker 2: how terrible they be worse, can't be worse. They got
Speaker 2: a couple first round tackles on their roster, got some
Speaker 2: running backs you've really never heard of, got some receivers
Speaker 2: you absolutely have never heard of, and the defense should
Speaker 2: be good. Other than that, Vegas setting it at seven
Speaker 2: and a half makes sense.
Speaker 1: That feels right, That feels right, all right? The other
Speaker 1: element and you know, you know, actually, let me leave
Speaker 1: with this. Is there ever going to be an accurate
Speaker 1: way to really even the playing field in college football?
Speaker 1: I don't think so either. There will always be the
Speaker 1: car dealer in Tuscaloosa that's fine, paying whatever it is
Speaker 1: over for it.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the reason I bring it up is there is
Speaker 1: a new College Sports Commission and the CEO is a
Speaker 1: guy named Brian Seely, who was a former Major League
Speaker 1: Baseball executive. See I think what a lot of people
Speaker 1: either don't know or forgot is the NCAA was literally
Speaker 1: told two years ago you are no longer allowed to
Speaker 1: enforce anything which is a wild, wild format, and that's
Speaker 1: why we've been in this area of chaos. So at
Speaker 1: least there are some best laid plans in place with
Speaker 1: a new CEO of this enforcement organization called the College
Speaker 1: Sports Commission, and starting on June's all of these young
Speaker 1: people who play sports for institutions who are benefiting off
Speaker 1: of NIL now have to report every NIL deal of
Speaker 1: more than six hundred dollars to the College Sports Commission.
Speaker 1: It's going to go through some derivative of an LBI
Speaker 1: software program in Deloitte, who runs the NBA Draft lottery
Speaker 1: for all you Jazz fans that are mad.
Speaker 2: And runs a lot of stuff at a much higher correct.
Speaker 2: The stakes are much higher.
Speaker 1: They have a lot on their plate, There's no doubt
Speaker 1: about that. So how do you think this process is
Speaker 1: going to work? And do you think it will corral
Speaker 1: a little bit some of the crazy spending on NIL.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's going to corral the spending.
Speaker 2: I think it'll hold people more accountable, okay. And I
Speaker 2: would hope that this commission makes all of this stuff
Speaker 2: if it's a if it's a public institution, I would
Speaker 2: hope it'll be made public so people can understand because
Speaker 2: you're still at the end of the day, you're still
Speaker 2: asking people to donate, like NIL is not going away. No, No,
Speaker 2: Like the twenty point five million is is for the
Speaker 2: benefit of the players and one for the benefit of
Speaker 2: the universities. But you're still going to talk about players
Speaker 2: who are getting third party deals, dealers with deals with
Speaker 2: dealerships in town, so on and so forth. So I
Speaker 2: think it will add if it's done the right way,
Speaker 2: it will show us the red tape basically that we've
Speaker 2: been missing for a very long time.
Speaker 1: So ultimately, Mark Carlin himself has said they will utilize
Speaker 1: every penny of the twenty point five million dollars. Brian Santiago,
Speaker 1: the new athletic director of Brigham Young, has not made
Speaker 1: that statement. It doesn't mean they're not going to do it,
Speaker 1: but the money stuff down there is just different.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if they need to say anything
Speaker 2: publicly because they're a private institution.
Speaker 1: So how do you think they'll handle it that?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, if we're talking about recent
Speaker 2: history and how much money the basketball program has gotten,
Speaker 2: and if you're talking about historically the football program has
Speaker 2: carried the load there, so you would think that they
Speaker 2: would give most of it. In my opinion, you would
Speaker 2: think they would give most of it to football, knowing
Speaker 2: that your high profile donors are still probably going to
Speaker 2: be giving to Kevin Young and his staff to go
Speaker 2: out and pay players. But I don't know. The private
Speaker 2: school thing is going to be interesting. I should ask.
Speaker 2: I'll talk to some of my smart some of my
Speaker 2: smart colleagues that you should have on who know about
Speaker 2: all this publicrappy toff. Yeah, happy, because it'll be interesting
Speaker 2: to see, like when this stuff gets made public, if
Speaker 2: private schools need to be involved in this and whatnot
Speaker 2: on the commission side of things.
Speaker 1: Well, and to your point about the basketball program, the
Speaker 1: money is already in the bank for this year, and
Speaker 1: Jeff Goodman has reported that AJ's getting seven mil. This
Speaker 1: new rob Right kid apparently is three Richie is seven figures.
Speaker 1: If you just do some quick math, nil money for
Speaker 1: this year's BYU basketball program is in the area of
Speaker 1: thirteen to fifteen million dollars, right, But that's all nil.
Speaker 1: That's before these kids can get paid. Yep. So I
Speaker 1: wonder if you're Brian Santiago and you know that the
Speaker 1: basketball team has already dial in with their nil stuff,
Speaker 1: do you bump more funds to Claudie and his team?
Speaker 1: Obviously more players.
Speaker 2: I would think, So, yeah, you have to, don't you
Speaker 2: more players? More depth? I mean, basketball rosters are small
Speaker 2: man and like they're always going to be front loaded.
Speaker 2: You have to be able to disperse the correct amount
Speaker 2: of resources to a football team in order to make
Speaker 2: them good. Like I understand in the NFL, who gets
Speaker 2: paid the most quarterbacks one, But like if you have
Speaker 2: a really good offensive tackle, you're going to invest in them.
Speaker 2: If you have a really good defensive end Miles Garrett
Speaker 2: or Nick Bosa, you're going to invest in them. And
Speaker 2: then there will be positions that maybe don't get that
Speaker 2: so much. Like you know, middle linebackers don't get paid
Speaker 2: the boatload of money that other positions do. And I
Speaker 2: don't know if if safeties are getting paid a lot
Speaker 2: of money. So because of the roster size, and because
Speaker 2: the BYU men's basketball program is already in theoretically in
Speaker 2: a good space from the nil component, I would think
Speaker 2: if you're Bryan's Antiago, you would say, Klan, here's a
Speaker 2: lot of money.
Speaker 1: I would hope so. And you know, they just had
Speaker 1: a really good year. BAU football is coming off a
Speaker 1: really good season. Do you think that when it? Because
Speaker 1: your points about the payscale based off positions will be
Speaker 1: interesting to follow. I still believe and if you would
Speaker 1: have asked me three years ago, I would have told
Speaker 1: you that we were already in this space. And we're not.
Speaker 1: And so I can't even put a timeframe on it,
Speaker 1: but based off of everything that still needs to be
Speaker 1: figured out, and the inevitability because money changes everything, it
Speaker 1: just does. I think anyone that lives.
Speaker 2: In everybody everything and everybody right.
Speaker 1: And I think anyone that has a little bit of
Speaker 1: lived experience in the world knows that, whether it's family, friends, business,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, when money gets involved, people change, and
Speaker 1: people change their values, their jealousies, there's anger. It just
Speaker 1: is inevitable that the women's soccer team in Utah will
Speaker 1: find out what the starting quarterback is making from the
Speaker 1: school and say, wait a second, this doesn't feel fair. Inevitably,
Speaker 1: there has to be collective bargaining. I still believe that
Speaker 1: I agree, but I don't know when that's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I do think we will. We will feel more momentum
Speaker 1: in that direction starting now now that payer the players
Speaker 1: are getting paid, now that people can see what the
Speaker 1: checks look.
Speaker 2: Like, now that they're being paid directly by those correct verses.
Speaker 1: Correct, and so disgruntled athletes will contact lawyers. A lot
Speaker 1: of them already have agents, and once those complaints start
Speaker 1: spilling in, I think everyone's gonna understand that the only
Speaker 1: way to really make this thing work is for allowing
Speaker 1: the players to unionize and therefore collectively bargained to come
Speaker 1: to some sort of agreement.
Speaker 2: And I wonder if and when we get to that point,
Speaker 2: are there going to be individual unions that are NC
Speaker 2: double A football unions, NC double A basketball unions, or
Speaker 2: do they all come together do the I mean probably
Speaker 2: close to millions. I don't know, do all the Division
Speaker 2: I athletes across the landscape this country come together and
Speaker 2: form a union? Because if so, then you're talking about
Speaker 2: some heft.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sure, now I think like a football union would have
Speaker 2: its heft. But if you're talking about if you're talking
Speaker 2: about athletes who play in non revenue revenue generating sports,
Speaker 2: you would hope that they get to have a piece
Speaker 2: of the pie. So if there does come a point
Speaker 2: where there is collective bargaining, you'd have to believe that
Speaker 2: even the folks like the like the football players, like
Speaker 2: the basketball players, would would want to bring those folks
Speaker 2: along with them.
Speaker 1: Okay, final thing, and I'll set you loose on this
Speaker 1: as it pertains to the ongoing UH lawsuits that we
Speaker 1: see left and right. There was a lawsuit filed by
Speaker 1: a group of female athletes that say this violates Title nine.
Speaker 1: There are rumors of other lawsuits being filed, you know,
Speaker 1: labor law. This isn't fair. That isn't fair. Are we
Speaker 1: just in an area in collegian athletics now where it's
Speaker 1: time to accept that stuff like this will continue to
Speaker 1: go on? And maybe every single year there's gonna be
Speaker 1: another lawsuit filed, there's gonna be another appeal filed, and
Speaker 1: we're just gonna have to deal with this, maybe in perpetuity.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that it ever really ends.
Speaker 2: No will. It will not end until Sorry I'm contradicting myself.
Speaker 2: It will not end unless people finally get their stuff
Speaker 2: together and get their ducks in a row. And there
Speaker 2: is a model built that allows universities, coaches, players, agents,
Speaker 2: everybody to be in lockstep on how things are done.
Speaker 2: Until then, you're gonna have people filing these lawsuits saying
Speaker 2: that you know, I deserve this piece of the pie
Speaker 2: because X, Y and Z, and a lot of times
Speaker 2: they're right. So that's the reality we face.
Speaker 1: Who do you want the Jazz to draft a five?
Speaker 2: I've been told and everything's on the table. But if
Speaker 2: I'm going for do you think they go best player
Speaker 2: available at five? Okay?
Speaker 1: Because they need everything.
Speaker 2: So since they need everything, I'm going to go with
Speaker 2: the dude from Baylor DJ. Is he going to be there?
Speaker 1: Maybe?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Probably not?
Speaker 2: Okay, So then I'm gonna go with not the guy
Speaker 2: from Duke, not not the guy from Duke or the
Speaker 2: other guy from not Con and not the tall guy
Speaker 2: from Duke.
Speaker 1: He won't be there at five. No, the other tall
Speaker 1: guy he might be there at five.
Speaker 2: I don't want him either.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, Great to see you go enjoy your weekend,
Speaker 1: all right, my man,