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<v Speaker 1>I do feel like this song encapsulates what our next

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<v Speaker 1>guest means to The Drive Live Monday through Friday, two

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<v Speaker 1>to six, Chris CAMARADDI live in studio on a Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>used today like exclusively Fridays, and we got you on

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<v Speaker 1>a Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's summertime. Yeah, and my significant other is no

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<v Speaker 2>longer working fair enough public educator. Yes, so I am

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<v Speaker 2>free of my constraints.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we appreciate you rolling in Beach Boys fan Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson passing this.

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<v Speaker 2>Week, huge fan. Yeah, I was listening to Fresh Air

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<v Speaker 2>and they re aired his last two interviews with Terry

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<v Speaker 2>Gross in nineteen eighty eight, nineteen ninety eight and very

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating guy, very very sad story. If you don't know

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<v Speaker 2>about Brian Wilson, like a very depressing but also enlightening

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<v Speaker 2>human being, Like went through a lot of mental health challenges, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but a genius in his own right. And this song

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<v Speaker 2>is one of my favorites of all time for a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of reasons. But it always reminds me of the

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<v Speaker 2>end Boogie Knights for sure, with the buck sup.

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<v Speaker 3>It.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was. It was fascinating to listen to Brian

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<v Speaker 2>Wilson himself talk about all of his stuff in these

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<v Speaker 2>old interviews.

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<v Speaker 1>This week, we'll have to check that. I mean, I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen the documentaries. And then there was a movie made,

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<v Speaker 1>Love and Mercy, which was excellent. I lucked out. When

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<v Speaker 1>I was ten years old, my uncle Nate played in

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<v Speaker 1>a Beach Boys cover band called Surf's Up. Naturally, they

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<v Speaker 1>played a lagoon and I thought he was like a

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<v Speaker 1>beach boy. Wow, you know. And so when we moved

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<v Speaker 1>back East, my uncle Nate, to his credit, yeah, to

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<v Speaker 1>his ever living credit. Quite frankly, I think he knew

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<v Speaker 1>this was going to be a difficult move for a

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<v Speaker 1>ten year old. Sure, he gave me pet sounds on tape. Okay, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>because I had a walkman at the time, not even

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<v Speaker 1>a dismand this was nineteen eighty eight. Yeah, he gave

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<v Speaker 1>me pet sounds on tape. He gave me Revolver on tape,

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<v Speaker 1>Sergeant Pepper's on tape, and then another Beach Boys. He

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<v Speaker 1>gave me two Beatles album and two Beach Boys albums

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<v Speaker 1>on tape.

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<v Speaker 2>Why haven't we hung out with Uncle Nate? Is he

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<v Speaker 2>still around?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, he's around. He's the best.

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<v Speaker 2>Why why haven't we hung out with uncle Nate. He

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<v Speaker 2>is you know, uh, let's do it is he? Is

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<v Speaker 2>he a namesake for your brother? Don't you have a brother?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my brother Nate was named after my uncle Nate. No,

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<v Speaker 1>my uncle Nate lives in Bountiful. Yeah. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>has five six kids a bunch of grandkids.

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<v Speaker 2>Now too, would uncle Nate want to hang out with

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<v Speaker 2>Nate Bench?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and now that's all I want, quite frankly. No,

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<v Speaker 1>he's the sweetest guy and he he very much colored

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<v Speaker 1>my musical taste as a kid, which I'm very grateful for.

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<v Speaker 1>And he so he introduced me to the Beach Boys.

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<v Speaker 1>Greatest American rock band of all time?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, probably, I think most influential at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like, if the Beatles don't burst out of

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<v Speaker 2>the scene, I think the Beach Boys ride out the sixties,

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<v Speaker 2>basically dominating that decade. But the Liverpool Invasion changed the dude.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, if we're talking about if we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>Beach Boys versus you know, the soft dad rock of

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<v Speaker 2>the seventies with the Eagles, Doobie Brothers, the yacht we

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<v Speaker 2>get into some good yacht rock. Ironically, it's weird, like

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<v Speaker 2>how many of those like I'm thinking of just off

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<v Speaker 2>the top of my head, just like the band's basically

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned or pseudo mentioned and almost famous. Most of them

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<v Speaker 2>are British bands for sure. Like it's yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I know that this is what people are wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>listen to on a Friday, but on the sports radio.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's like, it's fascinating. How if you really break

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<v Speaker 2>it down in the lexicon of history of American rock

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<v Speaker 2>and roll, the Beach Boys are absolutely up there.

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<v Speaker 1>I think anyone who's listening to you and I knows

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<v Speaker 1>the deal by now. I would hope so we might

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<v Speaker 1>get into the top Phillips you more hoppin movies of

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<v Speaker 1>all time? Again we did almost famous. So best American

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<v Speaker 1>rock band of all time? Aerosmith, Eagles, this is Rolling Stones, List,

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<v Speaker 1>Van Halen, The Doors, Metallica, Creedence, Grateful Dead, Tom.

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<v Speaker 2>Petty, Creeden's gotta be up there, r Em.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to get weird, uh, Nirvana, Leonard Skinner, Velvet, Underground,

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<v Speaker 1>Guns N' Roses, Dally Dan. It might be the Beach Boys. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that might be the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think out of all those bands that you named,

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<v Speaker 2>I would go Beach Boys, Steely Dan's gotta be in

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<v Speaker 2>there and criminally under credence. Oh yeah, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>And CCR R em fan. I would imagine you a

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<v Speaker 1>phase at one point. Yeah, you know, not too much

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<v Speaker 1>and probably not the greatest.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of miss like your like I unfortunately didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get the ninety one to ninety five grunge.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, our guy that we talked about that you forgot

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<v Speaker 2>passed away like ten years ago, Chris Cornell, like like that,

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of missed that window due to my age.

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<v Speaker 2>And you bring that up, by.

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<v Speaker 1>The way, I just had stumbled upon a Chris Cornell

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<v Speaker 1>cover of Nothing Compares to You, Okay, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>very impressed. I forgot he died literally a decade Sound

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<v Speaker 1>Garden Food Fighters, Red Hot, Chill.

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<v Speaker 2>Dow, I would throw red I throw Red Hot in

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<v Speaker 2>the mix at least for a contemporary point of view

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<v Speaker 2>for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Pearl Jam, Crosby, Stills, Nash, and if my dad's listening,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to include Young. In my house it was Crosby, Stills,

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<v Speaker 1>Nash and Young because my dad was a huge Neil

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<v Speaker 2>Well he was the best one.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, David Crosby man, Yeah, okay, I mean Melissa Etheridge

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<v Speaker 1>chose him as her sperm donor to have a kid

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<v Speaker 1>because he was such a talented musician. Let's stay and

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<v Speaker 1>do this for an hour. That's cool, It's all I

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<v Speaker 1>want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope to be that guy one day.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't be you're that guy today. Okay, not one day,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Chris. Since we're getting weird, let's keep getting weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh my guy poach who my guy poached? Tino? Let

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<v Speaker 1>me start here. Does this change the way we view

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<v Speaker 1>the job Greg did?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it does not, No, But I you know I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like two to my own horn. But do you

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<v Speaker 2>remember my hottest take before the last World Cup?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, remind me.

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<v Speaker 2>Was that I would not be surprised if we didn't qualify.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, last week you did warn us, which was accurate,

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<v Speaker 1>and we.

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<v Speaker 2>Got dangerously close for a second. I mean we missed

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<v Speaker 2>in eighteen. We got dangerously close in twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 2>and Guitar.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't you call that we would miss eighteen to.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you didn't. I that still too soon? The wounds

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<v Speaker 2>are too deep, yeah, Trinidad and Tobago. Anyways, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>change the job that Greg did because Greg didn't do

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<v Speaker 2>a bad job and I think that's one thing that

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<v Speaker 2>the soccer fans in this country are always going to

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<v Speaker 2>be torn apart of the seams of how do we

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<v Speaker 2>best utilize the talent that we have, How is this

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<v Speaker 2>talent pool best deployed? And traditionally we've been and by

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<v Speaker 2>traditionally I mean like our most successful international tournaments on

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<v Speaker 2>the men's side in the last twenty years have been

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of guys who defend like hell and get

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<v Speaker 2>it to your guys up front and makes them bleep happen.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's not to say that those teams were incapable

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<v Speaker 2>of playing this very fluid, possession style soccer that so

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<v Speaker 2>many people worldwide play. But odds are when you're in

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<v Speaker 2>a major international tournament as the US men's national team,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to more often than not be it a

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<v Speaker 2>talent discrepancy, Like there is going to be a talent

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<v Speaker 2>discrepancy and you're going to be on the other side

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<v Speaker 2>of the coin. So when you get to these tournaments,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you best utilize your talent? This quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>Golden Generation was supposed to be the era that would

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<v Speaker 2>take us into the play with flair, possession, break teams down,

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<v Speaker 2>tire them out and you have players that are capable

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<v Speaker 2>of playing that style, but for a multitude of reasons,

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<v Speaker 2>guys have been hurt over the years. You're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>lots of drama. I mean, side note, we finally arrived

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<v Speaker 2>as a soccer country because we just can't get out

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<v Speaker 2>of our own way in terms of like the drama

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<v Speaker 2>like that. That's when you like national teams worldwide are

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<v Speaker 2>just like the most talked about sports soap opera, because

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<v Speaker 2>that's all like it really is.

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<v Speaker 1>You sent me an article on the French national team.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you my, yeah, like moms getting involved with stuff

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<v Speaker 2>and like telling players that they shouldn't like tackle their

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<v Speaker 2>sons in training. Yes, that was I think that was

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<v Speaker 2>Euro twenty twenty two, when France flamed out after winning

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<v Speaker 2>the World Cup in eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>But Greg didn't do a bad job. And I and.

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<v Speaker 3>I I think what what what the run of results

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<v Speaker 3>under Pochatino showed us is that we have to recalibrate

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<v Speaker 3>our expectations of this team because we're everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Is talking about this landmark once in a generational moment

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<v Speaker 2>next summer across the US, Mexico and Canada. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it is, but I don't know if we're to the

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<v Speaker 2>point now, Spence, that you're going to bring in people

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<v Speaker 2>that haven't bought into the sport. Like I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that you're gonna have parents watch the US men's national

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<v Speaker 2>team play. Let's just let's just say like Slovakia or

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<v Speaker 2>Switzerland next year in Austin, in Dallas, and they're not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say, oh, I'm gonna have to get my kid

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<v Speaker 2>involved in soccer now right right the people who involved

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<v Speaker 2>on the ground level as fans are are loving it.

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<v Speaker 2>No matter what. People will get their Olympic fever type,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, temperature every four years with the World Cup.

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<v Speaker 2>But I I just I think everybody kind of has

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<v Speaker 2>to pump the brakes on. This is going to change

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<v Speaker 2>soccer in this country. I don't know if it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's it's a fair point. When the last World

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<v Speaker 1>Cup was here in ninety four, it did spawn the

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<v Speaker 1>creation of Major League Soccer of MLS, so there was that.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, when it comes to the effect of

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<v Speaker 1>a World Cup in our region on the sport, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just something that I hear every time. You know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>I remember when we brought the club here on two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and four. Don Garber was saying, this is great

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<v Speaker 1>timing because the World Cup's in two years. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>here two thousands in Germany two thousand and six World Cup.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the first World Cup I watched. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is awesome. Yeah, and we got worked. We did

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<v Speaker 1>get worked. But I think there is a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a initial bump that the sport receives every time

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<v Speaker 1>there's a World Cup cycle, but it's never fully sustained.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this sport has been a slow grow and

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<v Speaker 1>a slow burn just to get to where it is

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<v Speaker 1>and if it's ever going to get to where it

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<v Speaker 1>potentially could be. When you watch the way it's played internationally,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still decades and decades away.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not in our DNA man. Like I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to sound like a fatalist here, but if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>like it, you don't love it, you don't like it,

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't love it, like you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>tune in casually to watch a soccer game. You're just not.

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<v Speaker 2>And that bleeds into all of the issues going around

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<v Speaker 2>the men's national team right now, Like you know, who

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<v Speaker 2>players who are often the speakerphone now for you know,

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<v Speaker 2>being the guys on the lawn shaking their fists in

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<v Speaker 2>the air. Like I said, we've we've kind of arrived

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<v Speaker 2>in a sense like that. It's it's kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>bleep show. And that's how it is around most of

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<v Speaker 2>the world because it's it's what matters to most people,

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<v Speaker 2>Like they have so much pride their national teams, and

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<v Speaker 2>often national teams are very chaotic because personalities drive it all.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Christiano Ronald was forty years old and he's

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<v Speaker 2>still scoring in finals. But he's he's also a pain

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<v Speaker 2>in the ass. But people know that, like when you're

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<v Speaker 2>once in a generational player, you're gonna put up with

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know where this team goes. Like That's why

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<v Speaker 2>I say, I think we have to recalibrate how we

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<v Speaker 2>look at next Summer's World Cup as a as a whole,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's awesome that it's here. But I mean, we've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about this before, man, Like we're talking about putting

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<v Speaker 2>soccer in football stadiums, American football stadiums, around the country,

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<v Speaker 2>which generally doesn't make they're not built. It's gonna look different,

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna feel different. They're gonna be laying grass over

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<v Speaker 2>artificial turf in some places. Now I'll be a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of elitist. In Mexico will look better because they're

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<v Speaker 2>how soccer Matt is full time Canada the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>But this team was never going to be the team

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<v Speaker 2>even before this poor run of form with Pochettino, that

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be like, Oh, these guys are gonna

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<v Speaker 1>Well, one of the points you made earlier, which is

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the front foot. We are going to

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<v Speaker 2>That's who he is, man.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not who we are.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's who we want to be. But we

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<v Speaker 2>aren't there.

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<v Speaker 1>But to your point earlier, whenever we've even had a

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<v Speaker 1>modicum of success, it's like one nill Landon scores a

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<v Speaker 1>miracle goal at the death against Algeria or whatever. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>we've never been the team that's like gonna lose five

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<v Speaker 1>to four or win three to two. We're always the gritty,

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<v Speaker 1>defensive club that relies on our keeper. Historically speaking, we

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<v Speaker 1>have had pretty elite keepers. I'm not sure if that's

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<v Speaker 1>the deal now.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a backwards US team, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And relies on a back four and even a team

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<v Speaker 1>catching on the counter or maybe get lucky. That's who

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<v Speaker 1>we've always been. But Pochettino wants a different approach. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that he has the personnel for that.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't. Yeah, Like I said, this is a backwards team.

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<v Speaker 2>The strength in this team is in the attacking third,

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<v Speaker 2>and the weakness in this team is in the defensive

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<v Speaker 2>third ending goal, which is like you, I don't. You

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<v Speaker 2>probably couldn't say that about a US team going back

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<v Speaker 2>all the way till the eighties, like honestly, like until

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<v Speaker 2>really Casey Keller burst on the scene in the mid nineties. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a very hard team to deconstruct from a

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<v Speaker 2>like a tactical point of view, because they don't do

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<v Speaker 2>a lot well. It's odd, though, because so many of

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<v Speaker 2>these guys came up playing with each other, So like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like Greg or Pochettino were making these guys

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<v Speaker 2>like solve ap calculus. Like it's not. I think, like

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<v Speaker 2>the nerds need to put their their drawing boards away

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<v Speaker 2>and just be like, why can't these guys play well

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<v Speaker 2>together in any sort of system, whether it's under greg

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<v Speaker 2>Or Pochettino or BJ Callahan who was the interim. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean they played well under PJ, but like it was

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<v Speaker 2>a very short stint, But like, why is it that

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<v Speaker 2>this group that by all accounts is the most talented,

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<v Speaker 2>that grew up with each other for all intents and purposes,

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<v Speaker 2>why can't they consistently play well together when they do

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<v Speaker 2>come together for these national team camps.

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<v Speaker 1>So part of me believes, whether it was Bob Bradley

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<v Speaker 1>or Jurgen or Greg or now Pochettino, you gotta find

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<v Speaker 1>the guy you like and you got to stick with him.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, I mean that that's my opinion. However, when

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<v Speaker 1>you juxtapose that here to other places, other countries that

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<v Speaker 1>are really good change their managers so every cycle.

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<v Speaker 2>Right if not if yeah, they'll rip them, they'll take them.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll rip the band aid right off. If there's a

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<v Speaker 2>bad run of form.

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<v Speaker 1>So when it comes to how impatient we've been with coaches,

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<v Speaker 1>is that just status quo or do you think we

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<v Speaker 1>need to find the guy that we like to ride

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<v Speaker 1>with them.

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<v Speaker 2>No. I mean, like I would be surprised if Pochettino

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<v Speaker 2>is the coach after this World Cup. I think he

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<v Speaker 2>was brought in to try to take this group to

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<v Speaker 2>new heights. And you're talking about a national You're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about a national team coach coaching the national team level

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time. He's been a club He's been

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<v Speaker 2>a club manager forever. And when you're a club manager,

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<v Speaker 2>you're around these guys Spence basically more than really any

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<v Speaker 2>other professional sport in the world. These guys take a

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<v Speaker 2>four week break in the summertime. That's it. That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Otherwise they're they're back training in August and they some

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<v Speaker 2>of them play all the way through May or June.

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<v Speaker 2>So like I'm talking about like four to six weeks tops.

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<v Speaker 2>So these coaches, like Paunch is used to having his

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<v Speaker 2>finger tips on guys at his disposal, like whenever he wants.

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<v Speaker 2>And now you're talking about a dude who has gotten

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<v Speaker 2>a few camps together, hasn't had his best strikers have

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<v Speaker 2>been hurt, Balagan's been hurt, Pepi's been hurt. Uh Pulisic

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<v Speaker 2>has you know, getting getting knocks. Nobody knows what's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>happen with Geo Rena. Again, it's not what people want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear, but like, I just think we have to

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<v Speaker 2>try and recalibrate the expectations of this group going into

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<v Speaker 2>next year. Regardless of where this was going to be held,

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<v Speaker 2>if this was going to be held in Japan or

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa or wherever in Germany, this group hasn't shown

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<v Speaker 2>that they've been able to take in the next st

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I can't believe it's almost been four years

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<v Speaker 2>since Guitar three and a half because they played in

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<v Speaker 2>the winter time, but there hasn't been results. Nobody's really

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<v Speaker 2>made that much of a jump. Christian's been really good

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<v Speaker 2>at AC Milan, but like he's finally realizing the expectations

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<v Speaker 2>that everybody put on him. But other than that, you're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like, who's going to step up and take

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<v Speaker 2>a game by the scruff outside of Christian And we

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<v Speaker 2>don't really have any of those guys.

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<v Speaker 1>So if we didn't have the auto qualification situation as

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<v Speaker 1>a result of the World Cup being here, would we

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<v Speaker 1>be in trouble?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so, because this is I just have

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<v Speaker 2>a hard time seeing that happening, but it is. It is.

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<v Speaker 2>We're at a time now where it's kind of like bleeper,

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<v Speaker 2>get off the pot in terms of figuring out who's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be in your starting eleven, who's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be in your game day roster, how do you want

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<v Speaker 2>to play? Who are you going to play against? Like

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<v Speaker 2>you don't we won't know the World Cup drop for

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<v Speaker 2>a few months now, but like man, I shudder at

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of what would happen if the US lays

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<v Speaker 2>another egg on home soil after Copa America, after your

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<v Speaker 2>favorite tournament Conka Caffe Nations lead. That is my jam.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the only time this group has shown up weirdly

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<v Speaker 2>is against Mexico in big tournaments in recent years, but

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<v Speaker 2>against everybody else when the lights are the brightest, they

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<v Speaker 2>kind of cower and it's really fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>So what is your opinion on uh? Christian polistic? H

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<v Speaker 1>Tyler Adams was hurt right?

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<v Speaker 2>Tyler played?

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<v Speaker 1>Tyler played Okay Weston, McKinney.

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<v Speaker 2>Weston and Tim Ware with Juventus because they're at club

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<v Speaker 2>where they're playing in this club world for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And we had Donny on yesterday and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I can name like the top four or five dudes

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<v Speaker 1>and weren't there. Donny gave me a list of like

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<v Speaker 1>eleven or twelve players that he thinks will be on

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<v Speaker 1>the World Cup roster that are not on the Goal

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<v Speaker 1>Cup roster, and he said probably seven starters.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about this dynamic where the Gold Cup, historically speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>has been an opportunity for some of the players that

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<v Speaker 1>aren't in the first choice group to showcase their talents.

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<v Speaker 1>We have examples here before Kyle and Nick were part

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<v Speaker 1>of the legitimate rotation for a World Cup. They kind

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<v Speaker 1>of made their name in the Goal Cup. Kyle scored

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<v Speaker 1>a goal, Nick was one of the starting keepers, played well.

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<v Speaker 1>Beltran was on a Gold Cup roster. That's right. So,

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<v Speaker 1>historically speaking, the Gold Cup is a place for lesser

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<v Speaker 1>known players to showcase their abilities. Do you have a

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<v Speaker 1>problem with these players tapping out based on the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that this Goal Cup is one year away from the

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<v Speaker 1>World Cup.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think. I think I'm the rare voice or

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<v Speaker 2>you know opinion that nobody really cares about outside of

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<v Speaker 2>we care about it. You're right, That's one thing that

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<v Speaker 2>can't be lost here is historically the Gold Cup was

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<v Speaker 2>a place for people who needed to cut their teeth

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<v Speaker 2>and impress the manager to try to get on the

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<v Speaker 2>radar for the next big tournament the following summer or

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<v Speaker 2>in the years to come. So Christian not playing have

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<v Speaker 2>no problem with it. The guys at the Club World

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<v Speaker 2>Cup have no problem with it. You know, Anthony Robinson,

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<v Speaker 2>who is one of our best players, had to get

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<v Speaker 2>knee surgery. I'm trying to think desk is coming back

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<v Speaker 2>from an acl Like honestly, I think people are just

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<v Speaker 2>over compensating with their rationale, with their frustration of guys

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<v Speaker 2>not being available or being there versus the current player

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<v Speaker 2>pool that paulch has just not being good enough.

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<v Speaker 1>And that to me was the main takeaway, Like if

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<v Speaker 1>we look that bad without our top players, it is

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<v Speaker 1>a commentary on we just don't have depth.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't have depth and don't know how to play. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like if you I don't know if you watched the

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<v Speaker 2>Switzerland match, but like the first.

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<v Speaker 1>I got home and turned it on, it was four nail.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean the first half was basically it was

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<v Speaker 2>everybody on their own. Nobody knew how to press together,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody knew how to defend together. Nobody were staying in blocks.

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<v Speaker 2>The lines were being broken. So I mean, like those

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<v Speaker 2>goals that they were giving up, man, like that was

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<v Speaker 2>like embarrassing. It was really really embarrassing. And like couple

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<v Speaker 2>that with Matt Turner spilling one and like there he

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<v Speaker 2>already doesn't have a lot of you know, success in

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<v Speaker 2>between the pipes in recent years, and you just wonder,

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<v Speaker 2>like do these guys believe themselves? And I think that,

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<v Speaker 2>to me is one of the most you know, interesting

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<v Speaker 2>kind of underlying parts of this whole conversation is you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about a young generation who is easily the most

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<v Speaker 2>talented and have the most success at the international club level.

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<v Speaker 2>But the when like I said, when the bright lights shine,

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<v Speaker 2>they haven't been able to deliver. So like are is

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<v Speaker 2>there is there a little bit of doubt in the

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<v Speaker 2>minds of the guys. Is their collective doubt Like you

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<v Speaker 2>just want to see some sort of change like between

431
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<v Speaker 2>World Cup cycles and you just haven't seen it. Granted,

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<v Speaker 2>I will say I'll have to correct myself. The the

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<v Speaker 2>the asen hind decision to bring Greg Burhalter back after

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<v Speaker 2>the last World Cup and then have that whole thing

435
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<v Speaker 2>flame out was ridiculous. So there is a change in

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<v Speaker 2>a sense. But like I said, the only player that

437
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<v Speaker 2>really has burst onto the scene, so to speak, is

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<v Speaker 2>a dude from here, like it is Wild. That's not

439
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<v Speaker 2>taking nothing away from Diego. Diego has proved that he

440
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<v Speaker 2>should be in the World Cup roster next year. But

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<v Speaker 2>like considering where a lot of these guys play, like

442
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<v Speaker 2>and and the amount of resources that we've you know,

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<v Speaker 2>devoted to so many of these guys and the youth

444
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<v Speaker 2>system here, like this golden generation, nobody else is coming

445
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<v Speaker 2>through the pipeline. Like if you're if your top level

446
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<v Speaker 2>guys are not there, then there needs to be some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of reinforcements behind this quote unquote golden generation behind him.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure, It's a great point because I can also

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<v Speaker 1>remember when we brought rs here in two thousand and four,

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<v Speaker 1>the Commissioner Garber and Mark ab and others talking about

451
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<v Speaker 1>how we are a generation away from really seeing our

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<v Speaker 1>national team fly because of all of the resources that

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<v Speaker 1>have been put in place to develop players who at

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<v Speaker 1>the time are the players that we're seeing now. And

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<v Speaker 1>to be fair, there have been some success stories like

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<v Speaker 1>Christian and others, but I don't feel like we're any

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<v Speaker 1>closer than we were twenty years ago to really having

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<v Speaker 1>a legitimate shot of doing anything other than just getting

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<v Speaker 1>out of the birth.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's okay, And that's what I mean when I

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<v Speaker 2>say like we have to just everyone needs to take

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<v Speaker 2>a breather and understand where we sit in the world landscape.

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<v Speaker 1>Something well. Jurgen Klinsman himself was asked will the US

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<v Speaker 1>every win a World Cup? And he was like no,

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<v Speaker 1>and he got a viscery lost his job.

466
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<v Speaker 2>He's not wrong, I know, man, And that's okay. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there are listen, there are there are football. There are

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<v Speaker 2>soccer countries in Europe that produce an insane amount of

469
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<v Speaker 2>talented players that have trouble getting to the Euros right

470
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<v Speaker 2>every four years because of how much talent they have

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<v Speaker 2>to go up against. So the fact that we're in

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<v Speaker 2>our geographical footprint, we have it. Okay. Canada is coming on.

473
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<v Speaker 2>It's great for Conca cap It's good for this region.

474
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<v Speaker 2>Mexico is starting to wake up a little bit. The

475
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<v Speaker 2>Central American teams are a little shaky compared to where

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<v Speaker 2>they have been historically. But like, if we can get

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<v Speaker 2>out of group stage and and have a puncher's chance

478
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<v Speaker 2>and the puncher's chance in the round of sixteen every

479
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<v Speaker 2>single Men's World Cup, I think that's a success. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we're operating there. You have delusions of grandeur if

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<v Speaker 2>you think that this country, even with the current playerpool

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<v Speaker 2>it has right now, needs to be on the precipice

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<v Speaker 2>of making a run to the World Cup final. We

484
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<v Speaker 2>just don't have the horses. And that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>You ever met Alexi Laless I.

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<v Speaker 2>Have, and I've talked to Alexi multiple times. He's always

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<v Speaker 2>he's always been very good to me. He's always given

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<v Speaker 2>me a lot of you know, interesting insight, especially back

489
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<v Speaker 2>when I was on the RSL beat days. But hey man,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody gets a check, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, before we catch a break, just give me

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<v Speaker 1>a quick Rsel thought. So no diego, no don Mark, Zuke,

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<v Speaker 1>no gozo. Uh your guy Johnny Russell in the starting

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<v Speaker 1>eleven coming up against DC on Saturday. DC is coming

495
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<v Speaker 1>off a game where they got smoke seven to one.

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<v Speaker 2>Not great. I was at home too, it was at home.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh not great. Bob, as the kids would say, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know who's going to be in the attack because

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<v Speaker 1>they're Tyler Wolf.

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<v Speaker 2>No love for Tyler Wolf. RSL is a developmental club spence.

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<v Speaker 1>Not based off the interviews I've gone over the past

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks. I mean, Peel's gonna be up top or

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<v Speaker 1>what my guy a big WILLI goals?

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<v Speaker 2>He's coming, he's coming off a goal recently.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, Peel's not with them? Actually, oh is he not?

506
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<v Speaker 2>So?

507
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<v Speaker 1>Will be big Willy goals up top? And your guy

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<v Speaker 1>Johnny Russell starting. Diego is back in the good graces

509
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<v Speaker 1>of Pablo. Can they win on Saturday? At least? Can

510
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<v Speaker 1>they just get three points on Saturday? Probably not.

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<v Speaker 2>They will need Diogo to put together one of his best,

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<v Speaker 2>if not his best performance in an RSL kit, and

513
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<v Speaker 2>they need to show some semblance of being able to

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<v Speaker 2>have an idea in the attacking third and also not

515
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<v Speaker 2>give up very stupid goals. That's asking a lot about

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<v Speaker 2>this team right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It is all right, we'll catch a break coming up next. Ck,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll break down house to the NCAA settlement. What's next?

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<v Speaker 1>How will the funds be distributed? What does it mean

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<v Speaker 1>a Friday Drive on ESPN seven hundred, one hundred, Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Camaradi is live in studio for one more big segments.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, man did a little soccer. Last segments move

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<v Speaker 1>over to the space of college football. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>any exciting athletic teases for the upcoming season. I know

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<v Speaker 1>you were back east for meetings. Anything you want to know, Jack,

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<v Speaker 1>you strong meetings?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have some some some bigger enterprise stories coming

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<v Speaker 2>down the pipe? This summer and this fall will be

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<v Speaker 2>on the road for some of the more interesting college

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<v Speaker 2>football games from a culture perspective, and it'll be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, there there, there are. There are big ones,

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<v Speaker 2>but nothing I can tease necessarily, But there will be

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<v Speaker 2>stories that we will definitely be talking about on this

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<v Speaker 2>radio show.

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<v Speaker 1>Will you be covering Bill Belichick and his young girlfriend?

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<v Speaker 2>I will not. We have a great North Carolina bas

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<v Speaker 2>writer named Brendan Marx who covers North Carolina and duke basketball,

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<v Speaker 2>but with Bill being there, his job is changed.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of an odd story that people seem to be

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<v Speaker 1>very obsessed with. I'm not one that clutches pearls, over

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<v Speaker 1>age gaps and relationships. And why do you think it's

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<v Speaker 1>captured so many people's imaginations.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it was all their fault. The CBS sent this.

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<v Speaker 2>If they don't, if they don't make a stink about

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<v Speaker 2>the Sunday Morning interview, I think I think that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you gave people a reason to think anything they want, basically,

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<v Speaker 2>and and you're talking about like, dude, Sunday Morning, my

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<v Speaker 2>parents watch CBS and like you're not getting You're not

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great I love it, but I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 2>like you're not dealing with like hard hitting, like you're

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<v Speaker 2>nobody's been being grilled over this, Like Bill was toting

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<v Speaker 2>a book. He wrote a book about his own life,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're trying to control the narrative about what questions

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<v Speaker 2>were pre you know, given the greenlight can be break, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>So after that happened, I think the gloves were off

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<v Speaker 2>because people were already kind of fascinated. And now that

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<v Speaker 2>he's at a public institution, like you can get a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of stuff because you can foy and grandmother stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, guys like Brandon. I mentioned Matt, my colleague,

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Baker, who is a public recordswizz. Like we've broken

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of stuff about Bill Belichick and his girlfriend

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<v Speaker 2>and just how odd it is at the University of

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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina because it's a public institution, and of all

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<v Speaker 2>the things that I never thought we'd be talking about

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty five, it's Bill Belichick, who historically has

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<v Speaker 2>always been a very guarded, curmudgeonly fellow, toting his own

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<v Speaker 2>book with his you know, with his girlfriend at his side,

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<v Speaker 2>with his girlfriend supposedly having a lot to do behind

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<v Speaker 2>the scenes in college football in twenty twenty five. Never

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<v Speaker 2>would have thought. I mean, like growing up, like you

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<v Speaker 2>would watch Bill Belichick press conferences and you'd be like, what, like,

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<v Speaker 2>is this dude having a bad day? And now he's

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<v Speaker 2>he has to kind of mean, he's out recruiting, he's

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<v Speaker 2>doing all this stuff. He's he's chosen us a new

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<v Speaker 2>lease on life. Let's just say.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, for sure, for sure, all right, Chris. Last Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>about ten minutes after we signed off air, I got

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<v Speaker 1>the alart on my phone that the house of v

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<v Speaker 1>NCAA settlement was actually finally pushed across the line.

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<v Speaker 2>Friday news dump, Friday news.

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<v Speaker 1>Dump after the show. So twenty point five million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>at the disposal. Aflect of athletic departments to now pay

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<v Speaker 1>the young people to play sports and institutions I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like the term student athlete. The general model seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be and this is not every institution in P four.

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<v Speaker 1>It will change based off the variants of what your

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<v Speaker 1>unique situation is. Like Utah does have a gymnastics program

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<v Speaker 1>that brings a lot of revenue and eyes right, but

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<v Speaker 1>the general model seems to be seventy five percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty point five mil will go to football. I

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<v Speaker 1>think ten percent will go to men's basketball or no,

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen percent will go to men's basketball, five percent goes

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<v Speaker 1>to women's basketball, and five percent is left over for

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<v Speaker 1>everybody else. Do you feel like that's kind of where

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<v Speaker 1>most of the institutions will land.

630
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, based on my conversations with folks at the P

631
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<v Speaker 2>four and the Group of five level, they've said, and

632
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<v Speaker 2>this was before it got pasted, they were waiting in

633
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<v Speaker 2>the world of anywhere from fifty to seventy five going

634
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<v Speaker 2>to football. And these are different institutions around the country

635
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<v Speaker 2>that have different you know, points of view, that have

636
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:41.039
<v Speaker 2>different powerhouse programs that aren't necessarily football. But it's going

637
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:45.559
<v Speaker 2>to be interesting to see which teams vacillate between you know,

638
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.880
<v Speaker 2>going all in on football, which most will do. But

639
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:51.680
<v Speaker 2>there will be lots of schools that don't have to

640
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:56.599
<v Speaker 2>because they know that in investing in I mean investing

641
00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:59.519
<v Speaker 2>in men's basketball, women's basketball. There will be exceptions, like

642
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.079
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned with Utah and the Red Rocks. I would

643
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:05.319
<v Speaker 2>imagine there will be others. I mean, Oklahoma softball is

644
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:08.119
<v Speaker 2>a powerhouse, like you're gonna have to, you know, pay

645
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:13.880
<v Speaker 2>these folks the the Texas Tech picture that signed from

646
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Stanford and who became the first female softball player to

647
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:18.960
<v Speaker 2>earn a million dollars in an IL like, you're going

648
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:24.000
<v Speaker 2>to have to figure out a way to market yourself

649
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:27.279
<v Speaker 2>and be tantalizing enough to student athletes. Even if we're

650
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:31.400
<v Speaker 2>talking beyond the revenue generating sports of football and men's

651
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:32.359
<v Speaker 2>men's basketball.

652
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:35.839
<v Speaker 1>Do you think, and this is an interesting conversation because

653
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:40.519
<v Speaker 1>there are multiple layers here. You just can't debate that

654
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:44.599
<v Speaker 1>the football program is your cash cow. You cannot debate

655
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:48.319
<v Speaker 1>that football generates the most revenue. Next year will mark

656
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:52.160
<v Speaker 1>a decade between NC DOUBLEA appearances for Utah men's basketball,

657
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:54.440
<v Speaker 1>which is wild to think about. If you're a P

658
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:56.920
<v Speaker 1>four basketball program and you are not making the NC

659
00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:59.240
<v Speaker 1>DOUBLEA tournament, you are leaving a grip of cash on

660
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:02.440
<v Speaker 1>the table. So Mark has an interesting decision to make.

661
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:09.119
<v Speaker 1>Right But, just theoretically speaking or philosophically speaking, should the

662
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:13.839
<v Speaker 1>money be allocated to your product that does give you

663
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:16.119
<v Speaker 1>the best return on investment or is there a case

664
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<v Speaker 1>to be made that some of this money should probably

665
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:21.480
<v Speaker 1>go to sports that have not historically received the investment

666
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:23.519
<v Speaker 1>or attention they need. Because if you're a women's soccer

667
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:25.880
<v Speaker 1>player at the University of Utah, men's baseball player. Yeah,

668
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:28.799
<v Speaker 1>and you see the final split and you go up

669
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:31.079
<v Speaker 1>to the dorm or whatever, and the football players are

670
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:35.079
<v Speaker 1>showing you their paycheck and you're like, wait a seconds.

671
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:38.200
<v Speaker 1>These things are more complex than meets the eye. So

672
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:41.759
<v Speaker 1>what are your thoughts on, just philosophically, how this revenue

673
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:42.319
<v Speaker 1>should be split.

674
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:44.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you came to me because I know that

675
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.839
<v Speaker 2>you know that when it comes to investments, yes and markets, Yes,

676
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:48.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm the guy.

677
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:50.440
<v Speaker 1>How is your portfolio these days?

678
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:52.279
<v Speaker 2>I would say strong to quite strong.

679
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:58.359
<v Speaker 1>It's Bolivian Wormwood. It took seventy two hours. I believe

680
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:01.119
<v Speaker 1>they call it a hookah. I still think think it's

681
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:04.799
<v Speaker 1>it's Ben Stiller's best movie. I know you disagree it's

682
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:05.559
<v Speaker 1>I still believe that.

683
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:08.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's just because it's a it's a nostalgia thing.

684
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:11.519
<v Speaker 2>It's heavyweights for me, and it was a big shot,

685
00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:14.800
<v Speaker 2>a big show. Listen, you can look at it from

686
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:18.039
<v Speaker 2>a multitude of ways. You can look at it by

687
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:21.639
<v Speaker 2>investing in a historically downtrodden program that if it hits,

688
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:25.000
<v Speaker 2>we'll bring more money in. If we're talking about Utah,

689
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:28.719
<v Speaker 2>for example, or you can you can theoretically go fifty

690
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:32.039
<v Speaker 2>to fifty or or give more. Because if we're talking

691
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:35.679
<v Speaker 2>about Utah women's gymnastics, they are the exception. I don't

692
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:40.599
<v Speaker 2>think you have a lot of non revenue generating sports

693
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:45.039
<v Speaker 2>that are revenue generating sports like Utah gymnastics is around

694
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:48.400
<v Speaker 2>the country. Like it's it's hard to quantify how unique

695
00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:51.000
<v Speaker 2>it is. They're selling that place out every single night.

696
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:52.559
<v Speaker 2>When was the last time you're waiting to drop and

697
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:58.639
<v Speaker 2>meet the parents? Y day by day? Oh lord? Three?

698
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:02.679
<v Speaker 2>See lord, Like, when was the last time Utah men's

699
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:05.920
<v Speaker 2>basketball sold out the Huntsman Center? I mean, like, like

700
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.320
<v Speaker 2>legit hold it out, like the Red Rocks are doing that.

701
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:10.480
<v Speaker 2>I know they don't have as many home meets as

702
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:12.599
<v Speaker 2>men's basketball has teams, but like.

703
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:14.280
<v Speaker 1>There have been some one offs here and there, but

704
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:17.199
<v Speaker 1>can see but honestly, I'm not even sure there's been

705
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:18.119
<v Speaker 1>that in a long time.

706
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:21.840
<v Speaker 2>So when it comes to investments, you have to you

707
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:24.119
<v Speaker 2>have to pick your pick your spots.

708
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:30.199
<v Speaker 1>And are you a podthead falker? Sorry I keep going,

709
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:31.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm listening.

710
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:34.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, I was thinking about the poem that he

711
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:38.880
<v Speaker 2>your name was Angela.

712
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:44.719
<v Speaker 1>You gave me milk like an unstoppable rebel force. Oh

713
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:45.440
<v Speaker 1>so good.

714
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:49.880
<v Speaker 2>The parallels between the House Settlement and Robert De Niro

715
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:53.880
<v Speaker 2>dialogue is not lost on me. Anyways. If we're talking

716
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:57.719
<v Speaker 2>about UTAH specifically, Mark and his team have hard questions answered,

717
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:03.320
<v Speaker 2>because you can't leave a program that has made you

718
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:06.400
<v Speaker 2>money and has put butts in the seats at the altar,

719
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:10.159
<v Speaker 2>so to speak, in favor of the one that historically

720
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:11.840
<v Speaker 2>in the last ten years you mentioned it'll be ten

721
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:14.519
<v Speaker 2>years since they've made an NCAA tournament that hasn't really

722
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:17.800
<v Speaker 2>given you much from a revenue generating point of view.

723
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:22.000
<v Speaker 2>So it's it's tough, man, it's this. This is where

724
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:25.199
<v Speaker 2>now that we know and eventually they'll tell us like,

725
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:27.800
<v Speaker 2>this is where everybody gets to figure out a way

726
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:34.039
<v Speaker 2>that you can accurately criticize or or applaud an athletic

727
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:35.679
<v Speaker 2>department for doing their jobs.

728
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:40.000
<v Speaker 1>The other element is what was Alex Jensen promised before

729
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:42.000
<v Speaker 1>he left a really good job to take this job.

730
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:46.840
<v Speaker 1>And you also do have to balance. You make a

731
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:48.639
<v Speaker 1>good point about like, well, look, if we're not making

732
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:52.639
<v Speaker 1>the NCAA tournament, do you guys deserve investment or if

733
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:55.800
<v Speaker 1>we could make the NCAA tournament consistently, that does provide

734
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:58.239
<v Speaker 1>a lot more revenue than the basketball program has brought in.

735
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:00.360
<v Speaker 1>Or do you bump that up a little bit to

736
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:03.199
<v Speaker 1>give the basketball team more support so they can actually

737
00:37:03.559 --> 00:37:05.599
<v Speaker 1>start winning games and make and making the tournament?

738
00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:07.159
<v Speaker 2>Are we talking honestly on the drive?

739
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:10.079
<v Speaker 1>We only talk honestly on the drive.

740
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:14.599
<v Speaker 2>Do we know enough? Is there enough empirical data to

741
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:17.920
<v Speaker 2>say whether or not Utah is going to be a

742
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:20.920
<v Speaker 2>potential nc double A tournament team next year? I would

743
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:21.320
<v Speaker 2>say no.

744
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:23.519
<v Speaker 1>I would agree with you. I think that's a tough

745
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:24.360
<v Speaker 1>ask year one.

746
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:28.679
<v Speaker 2>For al tough ask. And again I would I would

747
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:31.599
<v Speaker 2>ask all of your listeners to not always drink the

748
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:34.000
<v Speaker 2>kool aid of the folks in this media market who

749
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:39.119
<v Speaker 2>are saying, you know these guys, watch out for these guys.

750
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:43.280
<v Speaker 2>My guy, who is also your guy, tweeted that there's

751
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:45.880
<v Speaker 2>at least going to be one pro player on this

752
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.159
<v Speaker 2>upcoming Utah men's basketball roster. Our guy.

753
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:51.400
<v Speaker 1>He also joined the show and set his sources indicate

754
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:52.679
<v Speaker 1>any direction is possible.

755
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, alright at five okay.

756
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:58.760
<v Speaker 1>So yes, yeah, and who knows, maybe he's right.

757
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.320
<v Speaker 2>And maybe he's right, But what I'm saying is that

758
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:06.880
<v Speaker 2>you have to have some sort of foundational data as

759
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Alex from Alex as a head coach before you can,

760
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:11.519
<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, go really all in.

761
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:14.559
<v Speaker 1>You're no, You're right, And I've said that from the

762
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:16.719
<v Speaker 1>start because I just, you know, I think Al's the

763
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:19.039
<v Speaker 1>right guy. I think it was the right hire, and

764
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:21.000
<v Speaker 1>so I am not going to be over the top

765
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:24.239
<v Speaker 1>about expectations for this roster. Y're one, and if anybody

766
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:26.320
<v Speaker 1>out there is telling you they've been grinding tape on

767
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:28.679
<v Speaker 1>these new players, they're lying. We don't know what it's gonna.

768
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Be Delaware State, I don't. I mean, let's be honest.

769
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:34.039
<v Speaker 2>If I think one dude came from like Cincinnati, I

770
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:36.960
<v Speaker 2>don't even know. I'm I'm not schooled on where these

771
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:39.880
<v Speaker 2>guys came from. But they're not coming from. There's an

772
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:43.079
<v Speaker 2>Auburn guy that I think maybe didn't play a lot,

773
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:44.239
<v Speaker 2>and Auburn's been good.

774
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Well in that case, championship.

775
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, championship, but other than that, let's everyone take a

776
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:49.559
<v Speaker 2>chill pill.

777
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:51.719
<v Speaker 1>While we're in the space of taking a chill pill,

778
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:55.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm here. Vegas over under Utah football wins seven point five.

779
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:59.599
<v Speaker 1>Every single you guys at the Athletic two four seven, ESPN,

780
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:01.719
<v Speaker 1>everybody does the whole like, hey, way too early, Big

781
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:05.599
<v Speaker 1>twelve look ahead. Utah is pretty Utah football is pretty

782
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:09.039
<v Speaker 1>squarely in the middle. They don't have the expectations of

783
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:10.840
<v Speaker 1>winning the thing, at least from what I've seen. I

784
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:14.159
<v Speaker 1>think Phil Steele, your guy, did pick Utah as one

785
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.119
<v Speaker 1>of the top three teams if I saw that correctly.

786
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:18.400
<v Speaker 1>So taking a chill pill.

787
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Utah football expected Devin Dampier Heisman candidacy.

788
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:23.239
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen it yet, but you know I.

789
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:26.559
<v Speaker 2>Means based on what I've been told by multiple people

790
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:29.760
<v Speaker 2>who watch practice secretly, he's going to be a Heisman

791
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Trophy candidate.

792
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:31.480
<v Speaker 1>I've been told to say.

793
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:33.199
<v Speaker 2>I say that in jest, but I don't know if

794
00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:33.920
<v Speaker 2>people really get it.

795
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:35.599
<v Speaker 1>Well a few KSL videos with it.

796
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Listen, man, again, beyond basketball, nobody knows what the hell

797
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:44.920
<v Speaker 2>this football team's going to look like offensively next year.

798
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:47.480
<v Speaker 2>So we're taking chill pills. I employ you all to

799
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:50.679
<v Speaker 2>take a chill pill. Devin damp Pierce tape. His highlights

800
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:53.079
<v Speaker 2>that you watched on Twitter are awesome. I guarantee you

801
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:56.199
<v Speaker 2>didn't watch the twelve interceptions he threw. Last year he

802
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:59.119
<v Speaker 2>threw he had like a fifty eight percent completion rate.

803
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.760
<v Speaker 2>You were probably looking at a lot of awesome plays

804
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:05.960
<v Speaker 2>that he made, but you probably weren't watching, you know,

805
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:08.239
<v Speaker 2>some air and throws that he had, which is fine.

806
00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:11.360
<v Speaker 2>One thing we have to get out in the clear

807
00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:14.599
<v Speaker 2>in this market is that just because you're not bending

808
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:18.039
<v Speaker 2>the knee, you're not You're not a villain, You're not

809
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:22.159
<v Speaker 2>a but you can be critical without being viewed as

810
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:22.599
<v Speaker 2>the villain.

811
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:23.639
<v Speaker 1>You're preaching to the choir man.

812
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:25.440
<v Speaker 2>I know you are, but I'm just saying, like we are,

813
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:28.960
<v Speaker 2>we are venturing into very dangerous territory here.

814
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.599
<v Speaker 1>But that's also But that's not just Utah.

815
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:33.239
<v Speaker 2>No, I know that. I'm just saying, it's it's everywhere.

816
00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:35.400
<v Speaker 1>It's our guys downtown center.

817
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.159
<v Speaker 2>And it's the guy's forty miles down south. I get that.

818
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:41.599
<v Speaker 2>It's everywhere, So it's not it's not specific to the

819
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:45.519
<v Speaker 2>guys off or car away. But will Utah be better

820
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:48.920
<v Speaker 2>next year? They will? I promise you. Are they going

821
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:51.800
<v Speaker 2>to change the world offensively? Probably not? Will they be

822
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:54.199
<v Speaker 2>better offensively? God? You have to hope. So because of

823
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:57.079
<v Speaker 2>how terrible they be worse, can't be worse. They got

824
00:40:57.079 --> 00:41:00.079
<v Speaker 2>a couple first round tackles on their roster, got some

825
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:03.000
<v Speaker 2>running backs you've really never heard of, got some receivers

826
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:05.639
<v Speaker 2>you absolutely have never heard of, and the defense should

827
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:09.079
<v Speaker 2>be good. Other than that, Vegas setting it at seven

828
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:09.880
<v Speaker 2>and a half makes sense.

829
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:11.960
<v Speaker 1>That feels right, That feels right, all right? The other

830
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.280
<v Speaker 1>element and you know, you know, actually, let me leave

831
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:18.280
<v Speaker 1>with this. Is there ever going to be an accurate

832
00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:21.599
<v Speaker 1>way to really even the playing field in college football?

833
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so either. There will always be the

834
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:27.199
<v Speaker 1>car dealer in Tuscaloosa that's fine, paying whatever it is

835
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:28.079
<v Speaker 1>over for it.

836
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:28.239
<v Speaker 3>Man.

837
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:28.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

838
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

839
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.840
<v Speaker 1>But the reason I bring it up is there is

840
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:35.800
<v Speaker 1>a new College Sports Commission and the CEO is a

841
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:38.480
<v Speaker 1>guy named Brian Seely, who was a former Major League

842
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:41.280
<v Speaker 1>Baseball executive. See I think what a lot of people

843
00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:43.840
<v Speaker 1>either don't know or forgot is the NCAA was literally

844
00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:45.880
<v Speaker 1>told two years ago you are no longer allowed to

845
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.719
<v Speaker 1>enforce anything which is a wild, wild format, and that's

846
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:51.480
<v Speaker 1>why we've been in this area of chaos. So at

847
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:54.159
<v Speaker 1>least there are some best laid plans in place with

848
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:57.719
<v Speaker 1>a new CEO of this enforcement organization called the College

849
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Sports Commission, and starting on June's all of these young

850
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:04.599
<v Speaker 1>people who play sports for institutions who are benefiting off

851
00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:08.360
<v Speaker 1>of NIL now have to report every NIL deal of

852
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:11.119
<v Speaker 1>more than six hundred dollars to the College Sports Commission.

853
00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:14.199
<v Speaker 1>It's going to go through some derivative of an LBI

854
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:17.519
<v Speaker 1>software program in Deloitte, who runs the NBA Draft lottery

855
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:19.119
<v Speaker 1>for all you Jazz fans that are mad.

856
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:22.960
<v Speaker 2>And runs a lot of stuff at a much higher correct.

857
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:24.239
<v Speaker 2>The stakes are much higher.

858
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:26.599
<v Speaker 1>They have a lot on their plate, There's no doubt

859
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:29.000
<v Speaker 1>about that. So how do you think this process is

860
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:30.840
<v Speaker 1>going to work? And do you think it will corral

861
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:33.000
<v Speaker 1>a little bit some of the crazy spending on NIL.

862
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:35.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's going to corral the spending.

863
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:37.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it'll hold people more accountable, okay. And I

864
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:43.239
<v Speaker 2>would hope that this commission makes all of this stuff

865
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:45.480
<v Speaker 2>if it's a if it's a public institution, I would

866
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:48.679
<v Speaker 2>hope it'll be made public so people can understand because

867
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:50.400
<v Speaker 2>you're still at the end of the day, you're still

868
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:54.280
<v Speaker 2>asking people to donate, like NIL is not going away. No, No,

869
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:57.079
<v Speaker 2>Like the twenty point five million is is for the

870
00:42:57.079 --> 00:43:00.960
<v Speaker 2>benefit of the players and one for the benefit of

871
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:03.559
<v Speaker 2>the universities. But you're still going to talk about players

872
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:06.960
<v Speaker 2>who are getting third party deals, dealers with deals with

873
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.719
<v Speaker 2>dealerships in town, so on and so forth. So I

874
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:13.079
<v Speaker 2>think it will add if it's done the right way,

875
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:18.599
<v Speaker 2>it will show us the red tape basically that we've

876
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:20.679
<v Speaker 2>been missing for a very long time.

877
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:26.239
<v Speaker 1>So ultimately, Mark Carlin himself has said they will utilize

878
00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:29.800
<v Speaker 1>every penny of the twenty point five million dollars. Brian Santiago,

879
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:32.480
<v Speaker 1>the new athletic director of Brigham Young, has not made

880
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:34.519
<v Speaker 1>that statement. It doesn't mean they're not going to do it,

881
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:36.719
<v Speaker 1>but the money stuff down there is just different.

882
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:38.960
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if they need to say anything

883
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:40.800
<v Speaker 2>publicly because they're a private institution.

884
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:42.360
<v Speaker 1>So how do you think they'll handle it that?

885
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:46.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, if we're talking about recent

886
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:49.800
<v Speaker 2>history and how much money the basketball program has gotten,

887
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:54.519
<v Speaker 2>and if you're talking about historically the football program has

888
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:58.760
<v Speaker 2>carried the load there, so you would think that they

889
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:02.360
<v Speaker 2>would give most of it. In my opinion, you would

890
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:05.000
<v Speaker 2>think they would give most of it to football, knowing

891
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:07.960
<v Speaker 2>that your high profile donors are still probably going to

892
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.360
<v Speaker 2>be giving to Kevin Young and his staff to go

893
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:13.280
<v Speaker 2>out and pay players. But I don't know. The private

894
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:15.320
<v Speaker 2>school thing is going to be interesting. I should ask.

895
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:18.119
<v Speaker 2>I'll talk to some of my smart some of my

896
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:20.119
<v Speaker 2>smart colleagues that you should have on who know about

897
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:23.480
<v Speaker 2>all this publicrappy toff. Yeah, happy, because it'll be interesting

898
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:26.800
<v Speaker 2>to see, like when this stuff gets made public, if

899
00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:30.119
<v Speaker 2>private schools need to be involved in this and whatnot

900
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:31.360
<v Speaker 2>on the commission side of things.

901
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, and to your point about the basketball program, the

902
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:36.679
<v Speaker 1>money is already in the bank for this year, and

903
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Goodman has reported that AJ's getting seven mil. This

904
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:43.920
<v Speaker 1>new rob Right kid apparently is three Richie is seven figures.

905
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:47.559
<v Speaker 1>If you just do some quick math, nil money for

906
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:50.079
<v Speaker 1>this year's BYU basketball program is in the area of

907
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:53.719
<v Speaker 1>thirteen to fifteen million dollars, right, But that's all nil.

908
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:56.199
<v Speaker 1>That's before these kids can get paid. Yep. So I

909
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:58.679
<v Speaker 1>wonder if you're Brian Santiago and you know that the

910
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:01.440
<v Speaker 1>basketball team has already dial in with their nil stuff,

911
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:05.480
<v Speaker 1>do you bump more funds to Claudie and his team?

912
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Obviously more players.

913
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:09.119
<v Speaker 2>I would think, So, yeah, you have to, don't you

914
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:14.559
<v Speaker 2>more players? More depth? I mean, basketball rosters are small

915
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:16.920
<v Speaker 2>man and like they're always going to be front loaded.

916
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:20.440
<v Speaker 2>You have to be able to disperse the correct amount

917
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:22.440
<v Speaker 2>of resources to a football team in order to make

918
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:25.440
<v Speaker 2>them good. Like I understand in the NFL, who gets

919
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:29.320
<v Speaker 2>paid the most quarterbacks one, But like if you have

920
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.280
<v Speaker 2>a really good offensive tackle, you're going to invest in them.

921
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:35.000
<v Speaker 2>If you have a really good defensive end Miles Garrett

922
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:37.239
<v Speaker 2>or Nick Bosa, you're going to invest in them. And

923
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:40.440
<v Speaker 2>then there will be positions that maybe don't get that

924
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:43.239
<v Speaker 2>so much. Like you know, middle linebackers don't get paid

925
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:46.000
<v Speaker 2>the boatload of money that other positions do. And I

926
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:48.039
<v Speaker 2>don't know if if safeties are getting paid a lot

927
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:51.960
<v Speaker 2>of money. So because of the roster size, and because

928
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:56.239
<v Speaker 2>the BYU men's basketball program is already in theoretically in

929
00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:59.320
<v Speaker 2>a good space from the nil component, I would think

930
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:02.840
<v Speaker 2>if you're Bryan's Antiago, you would say, Klan, here's a

931
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:03.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of money.

932
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I would hope so. And you know, they just had

933
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:07.760
<v Speaker 1>a really good year. BAU football is coming off a

934
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.920
<v Speaker 1>really good season. Do you think that when it? Because

935
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:15.079
<v Speaker 1>your points about the payscale based off positions will be

936
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:18.800
<v Speaker 1>interesting to follow. I still believe and if you would

937
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:20.880
<v Speaker 1>have asked me three years ago, I would have told

938
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:23.599
<v Speaker 1>you that we were already in this space. And we're not.

939
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:26.039
<v Speaker 1>And so I can't even put a timeframe on it,

940
00:46:26.079 --> 00:46:28.400
<v Speaker 1>but based off of everything that still needs to be

941
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:32.280
<v Speaker 1>figured out, and the inevitability because money changes everything, it

942
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:34.840
<v Speaker 1>just does. I think anyone that lives.

943
00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:37.000
<v Speaker 2>In everybody everything and everybody right.

944
00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:38.760
<v Speaker 1>And I think anyone that has a little bit of

945
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:42.599
<v Speaker 1>lived experience in the world knows that, whether it's family, friends, business,

946
00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:47.079
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is, when money gets involved, people change, and

947
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:51.119
<v Speaker 1>people change their values, their jealousies, there's anger. It just

948
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:54.880
<v Speaker 1>is inevitable that the women's soccer team in Utah will

949
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:57.280
<v Speaker 1>find out what the starting quarterback is making from the

950
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:01.559
<v Speaker 1>school and say, wait a second, this doesn't feel fair. Inevitably,

951
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:04.400
<v Speaker 1>there has to be collective bargaining. I still believe that

952
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:07.239
<v Speaker 1>I agree, but I don't know when that's going to happen.

953
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:11.599
<v Speaker 1>I do think we will. We will feel more momentum

954
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:15.360
<v Speaker 1>in that direction starting now now that payer the players

955
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:17.280
<v Speaker 1>are getting paid, now that people can see what the

956
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:18.039
<v Speaker 1>checks look.

957
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Like, now that they're being paid directly by those correct verses.

958
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:25.079
<v Speaker 1>Correct, and so disgruntled athletes will contact lawyers. A lot

959
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:29.960
<v Speaker 1>of them already have agents, and once those complaints start

960
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:32.480
<v Speaker 1>spilling in, I think everyone's gonna understand that the only

961
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:35.360
<v Speaker 1>way to really make this thing work is for allowing

962
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:39.039
<v Speaker 1>the players to unionize and therefore collectively bargained to come

963
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:40.159
<v Speaker 1>to some sort of agreement.

964
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:42.559
<v Speaker 2>And I wonder if and when we get to that point,

965
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:46.280
<v Speaker 2>are there going to be individual unions that are NC

966
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:50.320
<v Speaker 2>double A football unions, NC double A basketball unions, or

967
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:54.199
<v Speaker 2>do they all come together do the I mean probably

968
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:57.639
<v Speaker 2>close to millions. I don't know, do all the Division

969
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:01.119
<v Speaker 2>I athletes across the landscape this country come together and

970
00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:03.760
<v Speaker 2>form a union? Because if so, then you're talking about

971
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:04.199
<v Speaker 2>some heft.

972
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:04.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

973
00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Sure, now I think like a football union would have

974
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:10.320
<v Speaker 2>its heft. But if you're talking about if you're talking

975
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:15.519
<v Speaker 2>about athletes who play in non revenue revenue generating sports,

976
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:18.639
<v Speaker 2>you would hope that they get to have a piece

977
00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:20.480
<v Speaker 2>of the pie. So if there does come a point

978
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:24.519
<v Speaker 2>where there is collective bargaining, you'd have to believe that

979
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:27.960
<v Speaker 2>even the folks like the like the football players, like

980
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:30.320
<v Speaker 2>the basketball players, would would want to bring those folks

981
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:31.039
<v Speaker 2>along with them.

982
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:33.119
<v Speaker 1>Okay, final thing, and I'll set you loose on this

983
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:40.599
<v Speaker 1>as it pertains to the ongoing UH lawsuits that we

984
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:43.199
<v Speaker 1>see left and right. There was a lawsuit filed by

985
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:46.119
<v Speaker 1>a group of female athletes that say this violates Title nine.

986
00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:50.840
<v Speaker 1>There are rumors of other lawsuits being filed, you know,

987
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.760
<v Speaker 1>labor law. This isn't fair. That isn't fair. Are we

988
00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:58.960
<v Speaker 1>just in an area in collegian athletics now where it's

989
00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:01.679
<v Speaker 1>time to accept that stuff like this will continue to

990
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:05.400
<v Speaker 1>go on? And maybe every single year there's gonna be

991
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.880
<v Speaker 1>another lawsuit filed, there's gonna be another appeal filed, and

992
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:12.599
<v Speaker 1>we're just gonna have to deal with this, maybe in perpetuity.

993
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:14.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know that it ever really ends.

994
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:19.239
<v Speaker 2>No will. It will not end until Sorry I'm contradicting myself.

995
00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:23.320
<v Speaker 2>It will not end unless people finally get their stuff

996
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:25.760
<v Speaker 2>together and get their ducks in a row. And there

997
00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:33.599
<v Speaker 2>is a model built that allows universities, coaches, players, agents,

998
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:36.480
<v Speaker 2>everybody to be in lockstep on how things are done.

999
00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Until then, you're gonna have people filing these lawsuits saying

1000
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:43.440
<v Speaker 2>that you know, I deserve this piece of the pie

1001
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:45.559
<v Speaker 2>because X, Y and Z, and a lot of times

1002
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:47.760
<v Speaker 2>they're right. So that's the reality we face.

1003
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:49.360
<v Speaker 1>Who do you want the Jazz to draft a five?

1004
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:55.079
<v Speaker 2>I've been told and everything's on the table. But if

1005
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:58.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm going for do you think they go best player

1006
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:00.679
<v Speaker 2>available at five? Okay?

1007
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Because they need everything.

1008
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:05.880
<v Speaker 2>So since they need everything, I'm going to go with

1009
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:09.639
<v Speaker 2>the dude from Baylor DJ. Is he going to be there?

1010
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Maybe?

1011
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay?

1012
00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:11.559
<v Speaker 1>Probably not?

1013
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So then I'm gonna go with not the guy

1014
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:19.239
<v Speaker 2>from Duke, not not the guy from Duke or the

1015
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:22.760
<v Speaker 2>other guy from not Con and not the tall guy

1016
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:23.199
<v Speaker 2>from Duke.

1017
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:25.320
<v Speaker 1>He won't be there at five. No, the other tall

1018
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:27.480
<v Speaker 1>guy he might be there at five.

1019
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:28.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't want him either.

1020
00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:31.079
<v Speaker 1>Okay, fair enough, Great to see you go enjoy your weekend,

1021
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:31.719
<v Speaker 1>all right, my man,