WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.000 Now one of your pudding. I got a string going 2 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:06.120 on here, something just because my dog. Something killed your dog. 3 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:08.960 My dog. We're flying through the air over the tree. 4 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:13.640 I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm 5 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:16.120 really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over 6 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:17.800 the fence and he was dead. And once you hit 7 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:19.679 the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I 8 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:38.320 saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what 9 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:42.960 are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling 10 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:51.920 around out here? Did you see what it was? 11 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:52.240 Or was it was? 12 00:00:52.320 --> 00:00:54.719 Standing enough? I'm out here looking through the window now 13 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:57.479 and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside, 14 00:00:58.240 --> 00:01:05.480 Jesus Quice you bick Hello, hit the boddy out here, quin, 15 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:06.079 I'm out there. 16 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:06.719 I thought of a. 17 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:10.480 Bitch about tech forty nine. I don't know easy out there. Yeah, 18 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:12.480 I'm buking right, Hey you do. 19 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:14.480 Thanks so much for joining me for the show. I 20 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:16.680 got to sit down and talk to Michael Abe and 21 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:20.519 Connor from the Minnesota Bigfoot Research team. I actually met 22 00:01:20.519 --> 00:01:23.640 Abe out at the Ohio Bigfoot conference earlier this summer. 23 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:25.719 We had a blast hanging out there with those guys, 24 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:27.680 so I invited them on to talk about some of 25 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:30.159 their amazing experiences while they're out in the field looking 26 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:33.840 for these creatures, and they did not disappoint. Michael starts 27 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:36.599 off telling us about his three Class A sidings. Then 28 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:38.280 we move on to Connor and some of the amazing 29 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:41.000 experiences he's had, and then we finish up with Abe 30 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:43.120 and some of the things that he's experienced while he's 31 00:01:43.159 --> 00:01:45.239 been out in the field. This is definitely something you 32 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:47.359 don't want to miss. So I really appreciate you guys 33 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:49.719 being here. I am still traveling as you guys are 34 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:52.519 listening to this. I am still out West filming for 35 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:54.560 the new documentary that I'm a part of, so I 36 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:56.959 will be back later this week, but have no fear 37 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:00.280 of the episodes will continue to drop as always. So 38 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:02.079 without further ado, all this left for you to do 39 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:03.920 is sit back, relax. 40 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:04.719 And enjoy the show. 41 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:07.079 So welcome our guests to the show. First, I want 42 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:09.240 to start with Michael from Minnesota. Welcome to the show. 43 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:11.439 Man, Hi, glad to be here. 44 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:14.000 I'm glad to have you. Connor, Welcome to the show, 45 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:14.479 my friend. 46 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:17.159 Thank you matter to be here. Thanks for having me on. 47 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:19.319 I'm glad to have you guys, I've been looking forward 48 00:02:19.360 --> 00:02:21.199 to this for a while. Let me go to Michael 49 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:24.080 first year in the hot seat, my friend, Let's start 50 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:26.639 with what got you interested in the subject a bigfoot? 51 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:28.080 To begin with, I. 52 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:31.759 Was about fourteen years old on my deerstand and I 53 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:35.120 had one walk into a shooting lane at about i'd 54 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:38.159 say twenty twenty five feet away from me. I was 55 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:41.960 sitting there in disbelieve. I couldn't believe what I was witnessing. 56 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:47.639 This thing was about seven feet tall, very dark in color. 57 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:52.919 My face looked prehistorically a caveman face. I shat there 58 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:56.199 for about thirty seconds to a minute before I finally 59 00:02:56.400 --> 00:03:00.319 said something. This thing turned and looked at me. Within 60 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:03.599 two steps was off into the woods, into the cedars. 61 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:04.520 That was it. 62 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:08.199 But prior to that I could smell it, the scent 63 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:11.639 the wind was coming towards me. This saying seemed real, 64 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:15.960 confused because it knew something wasn't right. It walked into 65 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:18.960 a shooting lane a few weeks prior to that that 66 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:22.960 shooting lane was not there. It was looking around confused 67 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:25.560 until I said something and it turned and looked right 68 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:28.560 at me, like I say, two steps and was going 69 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:31.639 into the woods. That got me into that. That was 70 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:36.360 back in the early seventies. For the last basically forty years, 71 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:39.840 I've been researching up here and part of the Minnesota 72 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:42.879 Bigfoot research team up here in northern Minnesota. 73 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:46.599 Prior to you having that experience, was Bigfoot something on 74 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:49.439 your radar? Had you seen the Patterson Gimlin fam had 75 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:51.759 you seen some of the Jerry cru stuff in the fifties? 76 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:53.879 Was it on your radar at all? And did you 77 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:56.199 immediately know what you were looking at when this thing 78 00:03:56.240 --> 00:03:57.280 stepped out in front of you. 79 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:00.639 You got to realize back then, I've never heard of 80 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:03.159 such a thing, And we did not have television up 81 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:05.639 here when I was a kid. We're lucky to have 82 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:10.360 FM radio. So I found out through other people what 83 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:13.280 I had seen. Some of the old time loggers that 84 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:16.839 were up here actually had stories of their own. They 85 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:20.560 seen the same creature out on the logging sites. I'm 86 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:23.800 talking back in the forties fifties when they were doing 87 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:27.399 major logging up here in Minnesota. So I got educated 88 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:31.040 that way. When we finally got television, a little more 89 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:33.759 educated off of that. But a lot of it has 90 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:36.560 just been from my experiences out in the woods. I've 91 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:39.800 had infrasound under me. I've had them follow me, I've 92 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:43.000 heard their mumble talk. I've had quite a few things 93 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:45.839 happened to me out in the woods. I've actually seen 94 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:49.279 three of them. The second one was out on the 95 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:53.199 lake in March, walking across the ice. That was my 96 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:57.120 second encounter, and the third encounter I had was what 97 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:00.480 the group called all gas and no breaks. Abe and 98 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:02.519 I took them out in the woods for the night 99 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:06.120 and had the third encounter. One stepped out onto the trail, 100 00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:10.360 probably about thirty yards ahead of me, and stood here 101 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:13.160 for a few minutes, and then walked back into the woods. 102 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:17.120 Upon returning to our vehicles, which was about I want 103 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:21.639 to say, five mile Hiken. This thing paralleled me and 104 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:25.199 another person that was with me for at least three 105 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:28.160 and a half to four miles of paralleledness. It wasn't 106 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:31.519 a moose. A moose will usually follow you for maybe 107 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:34.439 a few blocks, but not three four miles like this 108 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:37.360 thing did. Abe missed it. He was in the woods 109 00:05:37.399 --> 00:05:39.519 with the guys off the trail showing him how to 110 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:42.000 do tree knocks, and this thing come out under the trail. 111 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:44.480 I had a young man by the name of Dylan 112 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:46.920 that was standing with me on the trail. This kid 113 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:49.920 freaked out. He took off running. I actually had to 114 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:52.680 go grab him. He wanted to get out of the woods. 115 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:55.879 This thing scared the heck got him. Yeah. Throughout the 116 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:59.000 last forty years, I've had some interesting things happened to me. 117 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:00.560 Sounds like it. 118 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:03.600 Let's go back to your first sighting of this thing. 119 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:06.399 Once you saw this thing step out into the shooting lane, 120 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:09.639 you obviously saw this thing was huge. You identified it 121 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:13.120 as a bigfoot sasquatch. Can you talk about what happened 122 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:15.279 in the days after. Was it something that you shared 123 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:17.519 with other people. Was it something that you talked about, 124 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:19.680 or did you keep it to yourself and then go 125 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:23.240 down the rabbit hole and start doing the investigations after that? Then, 126 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:25.560 if you wouldn't mind, after you answer those couple of questions, 127 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:28.519 go into that second experience where you saw one of 128 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:31.040 these things and talk a little bit about the surroundings, 129 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:32.439 what was going on when you saw it. 130 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:35.720 Prior to my first sighting, I could chee something moving 131 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:38.720 through It was dark. First, I thought it was maybe 132 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:42.480 a moose, and I could hear this chirping noise, shawned 133 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:45.399 like a bird, chirping was really strange, and then it 134 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:50.079 walked out. After I'd seen it, I grabbed my gear, 135 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:52.480 my rifle and stuff, and I got the heck OUTITOR 136 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:56.279 met my dad back at base camp and told my 137 00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:59.680 dad what I had seen. He had told me, don't 138 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:02.399 shame nothing about it, but he didn't want to be embarrassed, 139 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:06.000 so I kept it on myself. I told a few people, 140 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:10.160 and that's when I essentially got educated on what I 141 00:07:10.199 --> 00:07:12.720 had seen. My dad and I went out there the 142 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:15.560 next day. Back to my stand, I said the thing 143 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:18.920 was standing about a foot below the pine branch coming 144 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:21.920 off this white pine, so we estimated the height of 145 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:26.639 it at about seven feet. Eventually I had another sighting. 146 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:29.680 That's when I got really big into the research. The 147 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:32.920 second sighting I had was out on the ice. I 148 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:35.959 had moved back up here in two thousand and seven 149 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:39.000 or two thousand and eight. I didn't have running water. 150 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:41.319 I'm living in an old cabin that my dad and 151 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:43.560 I built in the seventies, next door to where I 152 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:47.040 grew up. So my ritual every morning was to walk 153 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:49.720 down onto the ice as the sun was coming up. 154 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:52.160 I had a hole chopped in the ice and i'd 155 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:54.920 get water for the sun on it, or the dishes 156 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:58.120 and whatever I needed. I would sit out there on 157 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:01.160 the ice until the sun came up. This thing came 158 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:04.759 out of the northeast side of the lake, out of 159 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:07.519 the boat landing, walked along the north side of the 160 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:10.120 lake on the shore or actually out on the ice, 161 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:12.920 but along the shore lane. The lake that I'm on 162 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:15.959 is pretty narrow. You can see across it, pretty easy, 163 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:20.079 small lake. This thing walked along the shore lane on 164 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:23.160 the ice and back into the woods. But it covered 165 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:27.160 about a block of two blocks in a matter of minutes. 166 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:30.279 This thing was just hiking. I couldn't walk that fast. 167 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:34.480 It was just unbelievable. After that, I came out of 168 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:37.159 the closet. I kept it to myself. All these years, 169 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:39.519 I did research, but I didn't tell anybody what I 170 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:43.360 was doing. After that, the gloves were off, I was 171 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:46.039 all into the Bigfoot research at that point. 172 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:48.600 Let's talk about your third siding. I found it interesting 173 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:51.759 you were talking about this thing paralleling you out. Let's 174 00:08:51.759 --> 00:08:53.519 talk about where you were at where you were doing. 175 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:55.919 I'm assuming you guys were doing research at the time 176 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:57.720 when you had this sideing, because you mentioned Abe was 177 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:00.159 there and he mentioned he missed it. Can you talk 178 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:01.720 a little bit about what you guys were doing and 179 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:04.399 tell us more in detail what you saw when you 180 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:05.480 had your third signing. 181 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:08.879 Actually we were up in Reamer. I don't believe it 182 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:10.559 was the big Foot data. I think it was the 183 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:14.639 Harvest festival. But anyhow, all gas and no brakes were 184 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:17.399 in town. He talked to Abe, talked to us into 185 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:20.480 taking them out into the field that night. So we 186 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:24.360 took him out in an undisclosed location out of Reamer. 187 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:27.440 Like I say, we walked in about four to five 188 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:32.039 miles at least, and Abe was demonstrating different tree knocks 189 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:35.200 and vocalizations and this and that, and we were making 190 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:38.759 an excessive amount of noise. Abe had walked off the 191 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:41.519 trail with these guys and the cameras and he was 192 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:44.519 demonstrating a tree knock. And this young man by the 193 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:47.120 name of Dillon Kim and I were standing on the 194 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:50.720 trail and I happened to look up the trail and 195 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:54.120 this thing walked out standing there and it was swaying 196 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:57.759 back and forth for probably thirty seconds or so. I 197 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:00.320 yelled to Abe. I said, Abe, you guys, we got 198 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:02.440 one on the trail. But By the time they walked 199 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:04.480 out to the trail where we were, this thing had 200 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:08.240 stepped into the woods. So from that point we continued 201 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:11.799 up the trail doing tree knocks. We got up probably 202 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:15.480 i want to say, another two miles maybe two and 203 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:18.279 a half miles up the trail. At that point it 204 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:21.759 was getting pretty dark. We decided, okay, we're going to leave. 205 00:10:21.799 --> 00:10:24.399 We're going to get out of there. The film crew 206 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:27.039 wanted to get back. Gill and I were to last 207 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:29.600 two in line, and we were probably a good hundred 208 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:33.639 yards behind Abe and the film crew. This thing paralleled 209 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:35.960 us the whole way out. We could hear it walk 210 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:40.240 into our right. We'd stop, it stopped, we'd stop it stopped. 211 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:43.720 It did this I want to say probably three miles 212 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:46.840 maybe four miles to the tee in the trail. That's 213 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:48.879 where we all met up, and from there it was 214 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:52.279 a straight shot to the vehicle. Moose are very curious. 215 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:54.960 I've been followed in the woods by moose more than once, 216 00:10:55.039 --> 00:10:59.279 even bear, but usually after a few blocks they figure 217 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:00.879 out what they are and then they just bought her 218 00:11:00.919 --> 00:11:04.240 own direction. But this thing followed us. It followed us 219 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:07.399 for three miles at least, Like they say, we'd move it. 220 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:10.799 When we'd stop, it would stop. It wasn't trying to 221 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:12.200 be quiet by any means. 222 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:14.000 I want to bring Connory and to put you on 223 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:16.240 the hot seat a little bit here, buddy, what guy 224 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:18.440 you interested in the subject to begin with? 225 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:23.720 So as a kid, I was always interested in the 226 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:27.799 idea of monsters, wear wolves and alhariis Frankenstein, whatever. But 227 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:32.159 Bigfoot was one that was something tangible, right, something that 228 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:35.480 could exist. I remember as a kid, I'd watch all 229 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:40.120 the old Bigfoot movies. I saw the Patterson Giblin film, 230 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:42.960 I've seen all the documentaries associated with it. I had 231 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:45.759 my own opinion based on the evidence and obviously the 232 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:47.440 desire for it to be real. 233 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:50.000 So it's always been a passion of mine, and I've 234 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:51.919 always liked being out of the woods and hiking. They 235 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:54.840 go hand in hand. But as I got older, I. 236 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:57.279 Fell off of the subject just because a lot of 237 00:11:57.320 --> 00:11:59.200 the TV shows out there are kind of hokey in 238 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:03.440 my opinion, they made the subject feel less authentic, so 239 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:08.120 I fell off. But I found Expedition Bigfoot when I 240 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:11.399 was sick at home for COVID. That's where I fell 241 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:13.840 back in love with it because of the evidence right. 242 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:16.600 Although the show might be a little hopey, the evidence 243 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:19.639 withstood made me see pass that in a way. So 244 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:21.200 that's what kind of brought me back to it. And 245 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:21.720 here I am. 246 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:24.879 Now you're a part of the Minnesota Bigfoot Research team. 247 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:26.480 So I'm assuming you get out in the woods. What 248 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:29.120 kind of experiences have you had while you're out looking 249 00:12:29.159 --> 00:12:31.320 for these things or any other time you've been out. 250 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:31.879 In the woods. 251 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:35.600 So with that interest, I started looking at sightings in Minnesota. 252 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:38.279 I was using the BFROL website. I was trying to 253 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:41.000 find clustered sightings and not sightings that were from like 254 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:44.399 nineteen eighty six or like even nineteen ninety, but more 255 00:12:44.440 --> 00:12:49.120 so recent right like twenty eleven, twenty thirteen. It doesn't 256 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:51.559 seem like they updated too frequently. But I was trying 257 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:54.679 to find something within the time we live right now. 258 00:12:55.159 --> 00:12:57.960 So I took my little brother. I planned a trip 259 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:01.159 to Voyager National Park pretty close to the border of 260 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:03.799 Canada up north Minnesota. I think that took us about 261 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:06.120 a four and a half hours up or something. I 262 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:08.960 wasn't prepared at all for it. We trudged through the woods. 263 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:11.720 I got him lost a couple of times this trail. 264 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:13.919 I called it's not named that, but I called the 265 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:16.480 Forgotten Trail because we spent forever trying to find it, 266 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:19.480 and it was just so overgrown and it was hidden 267 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:21.519 with the trees, and the brush that was on the 268 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:22.840 trail was like up. 269 00:13:22.759 --> 00:13:24.720 To your waist. You couldn't see your feet at all. 270 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:28.080 I took him through there. Eventually we lost the trail. 271 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:31.000 Whatever trail there was, we lost it. It's hard to 272 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:34.080 think about if it was just us out there lost 273 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:35.799 and the fact that it was eerie, or if it 274 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:38.960 was actually eerie because something else. But all I know 275 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:41.440 is when we turned around and went back, because we 276 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:44.480 couldn't find the campsite, we decided to go camp somewhere else. 277 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:47.720 There was this bridge that was going over a stream. 278 00:13:47.919 --> 00:13:49.679 That was the only place that you would get any 279 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:52.360 reprieve from the bugs. The mosquitos were so thick that 280 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:54.080 he said that the back of my pants I was 281 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:56.639 weren't blue jeans, but the back of my pants were brown. 282 00:13:56.759 --> 00:13:57.960 Because of all the mosquitos. 283 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:00.840 So the only place we could get on your reprieve 284 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:02.799 was on this bridge. We laid on the bridge. We're 285 00:14:02.840 --> 00:14:05.639 just sitting there, just enjoying the sun and no bugs 286 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:09.799 and we hear a knock, and I'm like, oh, okay, 287 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:11.960 And at first I didn't really make a big deal 288 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:15.240 of it, but then it happened a second time and 289 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:18.240 he heard them both right, So we hear these knocks. 290 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:21.919 I knocked back, but nothing happens. Then he goes Connor, 291 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:23.919 do you have your binoculars? I was like, I do, 292 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:26.639 but they're buried in my backpack. Why And he's honestly, 293 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:28.399 I'm not trying to get your hopes up or anything, 294 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:32.000 but I see something like moving behind a tree. So anyway, 295 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:33.919 I fumble, I get the binoculars out. I give him 296 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:35.840 to him because he sees where it is. I talked 297 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:38.559 to him about this last Thursday because it just got 298 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:39.039 brought up. 299 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:40.399 I'm with the group now and. 300 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:42.480 I've had experiences and I'm just talking about him, and 301 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:44.639 then this comes up. He's I can't tell you what 302 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:47.559 it was, but he goes, I know for a fact 303 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:51.159 that it was auburn brown and it was moving behind 304 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:54.240 a tree. So when I grabbed the binoculars, I didn't 305 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:57.039 see it, but he says he did. So I walked 306 00:14:57.039 --> 00:14:59.960 down to where it was. There's a dip in the terrain, 307 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:02.000 so you're going to where this tree was that he 308 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:04.440 saw it, and there's a dip in the terrain. When 309 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:06.559 I get there, I'm yelling at him, hey can you 310 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:08.799 see me? And he can just see my head. So 311 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:11.440 if he did see something there, it had to be 312 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:13.200 much taller than I was in order for him to 313 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:15.159 see it, just because of the slope in the ground. 314 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:19.200 So that was interesting. That was my first experience. But 315 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:21.679 I know for sure that when we were in the woods, 316 00:15:21.879 --> 00:15:24.840 we didn't hear anything like, no knocking, nothing, And then 317 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:26.679 as soon as we get to that bridge and we 318 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:28.840 sit down, we hear it. So I don't know if 319 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:31.000 they're communicating to each other that we were out or what, 320 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:34.360 and then he saw something. So that was the first 321 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:37.639 experience that I had that was real. 322 00:15:38.320 --> 00:15:40.480 Have you had other experiences when you've been out looking 323 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:41.240 for these things? 324 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:42.120 Yeah. 325 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:45.240 So there's a place in Superior National Park that there 326 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:48.039 was a cluster of sightings. It was probably about eight 327 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:50.360 or nine years ago that they had them. For the 328 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:52.840 most recent one, I went there. It was just a 329 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:54.519 shot in the dark that went with me and my dog. 330 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:57.240 Once again, he's up there towards the border of Canada. 331 00:15:57.279 --> 00:16:00.480 It's a campground this time so it's a proved of site, 332 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:03.559 but it's connected to a campground. I get there, I 333 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:06.120 set up camp, and by the time I go to bed, 334 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:08.240 I'm laying there and I'm about to close my eyes. 335 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:12.240 Then I hear knocking happening across the lake. It was 336 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:14.840 almost like code, like they were communicating to each other 337 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:18.320 across the lake. It was like knock and then knock, 338 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:20.720 and then I'd go knock and be like, nah, it was 339 00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:24.000 really weird. I heard it for probably like an hour 340 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:26.679 they were doing it. The thing is, it's not normal. 341 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:29.919 There's islands out on that lake which have campgrounds, but 342 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:33.759 you would see fire, there would be people there. Plus 343 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:36.240 I would always go on a Thursday, so a lot 344 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.039 of the times there wasn't too many people up there 345 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:41.639 yet until Friday evening. But just like the time of night, 346 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:44.919 how rapid they were and how loud they were, I 347 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:47.840 don't think it was people. When I got back to service, 348 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:51.279 I looked up online if woodpeckers are nocturnal, and they're not. 349 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:53.840 They do their thing during the day, they sleep and 350 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:56.919 nest at night. Not only that, but just the sound 351 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:00.759 is different. It's more rapid instead of like methodical, like 352 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:03.679 Morris code, and they don't communicate to each other either. 353 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:06.559 They're not sitting there knocking and the other one knocks back. 354 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:09.160 We're doing it to find food. So it's just really interesting. 355 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:13.480 So that happened, and I took my little brother up there, 356 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:15.519 the same one that I took through Hell. I took 357 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:18.519 him up there, probably a couple weeks later, same thing. 358 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:21.160 We're about to go to bed. We hear it again. 359 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:23.559 It was cool for me, but I had heard it. 360 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:25.839 I was tired, so I fell asleep, but he stayed 361 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:28.720 up the entire night listening to it. He refused to 362 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:31.720 go pete. He held his peet the entire night. So 363 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:33.920 when we got up in the morning, I asked him 364 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:35.960 if he heard it. He was like, yeah, Then obviously 365 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:36.599 I fell asleep. 366 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:37.440 He held his pee. 367 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:39.720 Then we got up in the morning. I was like, so, 368 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:42.319 how was that. He goes that wasn't normal. I was like, no, 369 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:45.640 it wasn't normal. I think I told you that's creepy. 370 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:49.519 So it's something as simple as knocking, but you just 371 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:51.119 get like this feeling about it. 372 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:51.680 It's so weird. 373 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:53.720 You can't explain it, but it's like your body knows 374 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:57.440 that this is not normal. So I had asked him 375 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:01.160 to go camping with me again, and here he was like, oh, 376 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:01.640 hell no. 377 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:03.400 He was like, no, I'm not going. 378 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:06.759 So mine are pretty tame as far as that goes. 379 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:10.400 I did take my sister's camping a few weeks ago too, 380 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:15.039 and another situation where it was Superior National Forest. I 381 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:18.079 used the cluster of sightings to pinpoint somewhere and it's 382 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:18.880 like a shot in the dark. 383 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:20.680 I like to take people so they. 384 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:22.559 Don't think I'm nuts because my whole family that's the 385 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:24.799 Bigfoot thing. They're like, oh, yeah, it's the Bigfoot. 386 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:26.319 Huh Yeah. 387 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:29.319 It's hard not to just word vomit and give them 388 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:31.599 everything I know, because then they still think you're nuts. 389 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:34.240 But either way, I took them up there and we're 390 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:38.880 sitting around the fire. I'm hoping, but obviously I've been 391 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:42.400 out there many times hoping and nothing has ever happened, right, 392 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:46.079 So it's disappointing. So I'm ready for the disappointment. But 393 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:48.240 then we're sitting around the campfire, we're talking about old 394 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:51.319 family stuff and then I hear it and I'm like, 395 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:52.240 did you guys hear that? 396 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:54.680 And they're like yeah. 397 00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:57.119 I'm like okay, so you sit there around the campfire, 398 00:18:57.119 --> 00:19:00.559 and we're just listening to it, right, and I decided 399 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:02.920 to knock back for the first time. I got this 400 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:06.519 cool knocking stick from Abe at the Ohio Bigfoot Conference, 401 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:08.680