Speaker 1: I'm back with Corey Hughes. Corey, good morning, Good morning.
Speaker 1: I have some questions viewer questions since last week talked
Speaker 1: just two of them, but I'm gonna jump in. If
Speaker 1: that's okay with you, go for it. This is from
Speaker 1: David mastra Angelo and he says, I have a question
Speaker 1: about Thomas Arthur Valley and how he fits into the story.
Speaker 1: I'm all in on Israel and dual Oswald's and him
Speaker 1: never being in the TSBD. Is the Chicago plot simply
Speaker 1: to plant the seed of a single nut case pulling
Speaker 1: off an assassination. Is this a Bule Frasier type thing
Speaker 1: where he could have been the scapegoat but they decided
Speaker 1: to use Oswald instead. Does Valley have a similar military
Speaker 1: intelligence background as Oswald or is this just simply a
Speaker 1: nous no friend a guy.
Speaker 2: So that's an interesting one because like that, you know,
Speaker 2: we have the Miami plot in the Chicago plot, which
Speaker 2: were like lead ups to Dallas.
Speaker 3: But honestly, none of that makes any sense to me.
Speaker 2: Sorry about that.
Speaker 3: None of that makes any sense to me because.
Speaker 2: The amount of planning that went into Dallas goes back
Speaker 2: to like March at the earliest or at the latest,
Speaker 2: because that's when they started to that's when they ordered
Speaker 2: the rifle, and that ordering of the rifle is the
Speaker 2: very first thing that's obvious in the setup of Oswald,
Speaker 2: and so they put I mean, there is so much
Speaker 2: going on revolving around Dallas. You got the Perry Russo
Speaker 2: meeting in September, long before Chicago or any of these
Speaker 2: other places. So they were one hundred percent planning on
Speaker 2: killing Kennedy in Dallas. So what are the implications for
Speaker 2: Chicago and Miami. I mean, I just don't know. I
Speaker 2: just don't They've never seemed to fit the larger scale operation,
Speaker 2: and they still are kind of a mystery to me.
Speaker 2: So I really don't know. I just really don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't understand how. I don't know how serious they
Speaker 2: were about planning that. I just can't see them. I
Speaker 2: can't see the Israelis, through Permandex and Clay Shaw and
Speaker 2: the l A Mob and all these guys getting to
Speaker 2: do this assassination and they're getting all worked up for it.
Speaker 2: They're in Dallas already, and then boom, Kennedy's killed in Chicago.
Speaker 3: Like that. Just don't I don't see that.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a lot of money, time effort planning
Speaker 2: out the window, and so I just can't seem to
Speaker 2: fit those into the larger puzzle.
Speaker 1: Right going off there, my own question as a follow
Speaker 1: up would be Richard case Nagel, what of wils your
Speaker 1: kind of where do you come down on him? You
Speaker 1: don't really talk about him.
Speaker 2: Much, No, I don't, because it's kind of a side
Speaker 2: story for me. He was definitely in some loop and
Speaker 2: new names and things, and but.
Speaker 3: I don't really know.
Speaker 2: I've never dig too deep into him because it never
Speaker 2: really offered any new insight to me into the actual assassination,
Speaker 2: because I kind of started with the shooters and worked
Speaker 2: my way backwards, and that kind of eliminates a lot
Speaker 2: of the side stories that we have been told over
Speaker 2: the decades, you know, So we can hear the stories
Speaker 2: about like the oil man and the banker and brown
Speaker 2: Root hair man and like all these different people who
Speaker 2: are like all these guys were all in on it?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 2: Where where were they in on it? Connect them between
Speaker 2: David Ben Gurion and the shooters at the bottom. Show
Speaker 2: me somewhere in this thread where they are, and I
Speaker 2: can't find him anywhere. So we get so many stories
Speaker 2: like that, oh, this person was involved and this player's
Speaker 2: person did this, and like, I can't find any proof
Speaker 2: for any of that stuff.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So we got a lot of hype in this space obviously.
Speaker 1: Since last week talked too. Rob Reiner tragically murdered. He
Speaker 1: did crazy interesting. Yeah, he did some work there on JFK.
Speaker 1: Did you follow what he was putting out there, Corey.
Speaker 2: No, because he's an establishment guy. He's been an establishment
Speaker 2: guy since the meathead days. I'm sure. I mean, that
Speaker 2: guy was like hobnobbing it with Obama and stuff, so's
Speaker 2: he's not an honest actor. So I never paid any
Speaker 2: attention to that at all. I know he put out
Speaker 2: some documentary that was like he named the people who
Speaker 2: killed Kennedy or something. So I don't even know what
Speaker 2: he said, but I'm sure he's wrong.
Speaker 1: He was working with Dick Russell on that. By the way, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's another question for well, this is more of a comment,
Speaker 1: but I want you to weigh in. There were three rifles.
Speaker 1: This is from an unknown uh user. There were three
Speaker 1: rifles found quote unquote or planted by Dallas and Sheriff Police,
Speaker 1: one rifle for each Patsy A Mouser, an Enfield and
Speaker 1: a Carcano for Fairry, for Frasier, and for Oswald, depending
Speaker 1: on which Patsy the government would use. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 1: I think that's half correct. I don't know that they
Speaker 1: would ever set up David Ferry.
Speaker 2: In fact, they went to great lengths to protect him
Speaker 2: after the fact. But the Carkano, like we know where
Speaker 2: the Carcano came from, Carkano came from Adams, consolidated in
Speaker 2: a batch of seventy rifles. Three of them made the
Speaker 2: right in New Orleans. David Ferry had one, Emelio Santana
Speaker 2: had one, and one of them was used in this setup.
Speaker 2: But they found a whole bunch of more rifles than that.
Speaker 2: They found a Johnson, the Johnson thirty et six. The
Speaker 2: Nfield three oh three, which I'm convinced is the rifle
Speaker 2: that took Kennedy's head off, was I believe planted on
Speaker 2: Bil Fraser when they arrested him later that day. Most
Speaker 2: people don't ever talk about that, but they allegedly took
Speaker 2: an Enfield three oh three and a bunch of pointed
Speaker 2: tip three O three ammo off of him. I've guarantee
Speaker 2: that stuff was planted because the Nfield three oh three
Speaker 2: pointed tip bullet was what was planted as the magic
Speaker 2: bullet before the FBI swapped it to the Karkana round.
Speaker 2: So to me, that was a pretty clear indication they
Speaker 2: were they were definitely setting somebody up using an Enfield
Speaker 2: three oh three bullet found by Darryl Thomlinson and op
Speaker 2: Wright turned over to Richard Johnson makes his way to
Speaker 2: the FBI. Then years later it's suddenly a Carcannor round. Right,
Speaker 2: this was all in six seconds in Dallas by Josiah Thompson.
Speaker 2: So I'm convinced beyond all doubt that that Nfield three
Speaker 2: oh three they picked up off a Fraser, because remember
Speaker 2: they were setting Fraser up at the sports drone. The
Speaker 2: person who allegedly went there as Oswald drop the name
Speaker 2: that Fraser drove him there.
Speaker 1: Bullshit.
Speaker 2: I don't buy that at all. They never Bil Fraser
Speaker 2: never drove anybody to the rifle range. I'm convinced of
Speaker 2: that one hundred percent, and that they were using his
Speaker 2: name to set him up as a second patsy. That's
Speaker 2: why they planted the rifle, that's you know, why he
Speaker 2: got picked up that day. But they didn't need to
Speaker 2: at all. I guess after they picked up osball, they're like, okay,
Speaker 2: we got we got it done. So everyone else got
Speaker 2: off the hook.
Speaker 1: We're here. It's gonna be a I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting because Corey's gonna basically be running this this session. Here, Corey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn it over to you. What are we
Speaker 1: What are we doing today?
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about David Ferry and we're gonna show
Speaker 2: the basically unsurmountable evidence that shows that he was not
Speaker 2: only in Dallas, but he shot Kennedy from behind the fence.
Speaker 2: And please ask questions as we go through this. I'm
Speaker 2: going to kind of take my time on this. I
Speaker 2: hope you got some time, but yeah, ask them questions
Speaker 2: as we go. We'll clarify things for the audience here
Speaker 2: we go. I call it this David Ferry the Grassy
Speaker 2: Noel in the Winterland Ice Arena. The Winterland Ice Arena
Speaker 2: being probably the single most important like thing in the
Speaker 2: assassination story, Like it's the weakest link in the whole story,
Speaker 2: because that's where when you go through the Winterland you
Speaker 2: come to understand David Ferry never went to the Winchland.
Speaker 2: And why why is there this a big story about
Speaker 2: David Ferry going to the Winterland if you never went there. Well,
Speaker 2: obviously they were covering for him because he was in Dallas,
Speaker 2: and this was an alibi story. And so we're going
Speaker 2: to go over to slides that basically brought me to this,
Speaker 2: and we'll start off right here. Subsequent investigation is an
Speaker 2: FBI report. Subsequent investigation by New Orleans office disclosed information
Speaker 2: was received by New Orleans Parish District Attorney's Office, New
Speaker 2: Orleans November twenty four to last that when David William
Speaker 2: Ferry allegedly taught Lee Harvey Oswald use of a telescopic
Speaker 2: site on a rifle, well that's false. DA's office concluded
Speaker 2: Fairy possibly involved in assassination of President, conducted investigation to locate.
Speaker 2: Ferry was absent from his residence when investigators and when
Speaker 2: we investigator showed up. That's basically the night of the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty fourth, that they show up there on Sunday.
Speaker 2: All right, assassination President Kennedy November twenty two, nineteen sixty three. Dallas,
Speaker 2: Texas telephone calls November twenty five, last Too Supervisor Richard
Speaker 2: Gallagher from New Orleans reference David William Ferry during the
Speaker 2: morning of November twenty five press inquiry received by New
Speaker 2: Orleans office concerning arrest of Layton Patrick Martin's and Alvin
Speaker 2: Rowland Bobof arrested early morning November twenty five by New
Speaker 2: Orleans PD on vagrancy charges with notation in a rest
Speaker 2: book that they were being held for secret service. So
Speaker 2: they knew about David Ferry immediately, and we're at his
Speaker 2: house on the just after midnight on the twenty fifth,
Speaker 2: which will cause us some problems. Later in Thomas Compton's story,
Speaker 2: Ferry stated that from October eleventh October eighteen sixty three,
Speaker 2: he was in Guatemala, and again from October thirtieth to
Speaker 2: November first, he was in Guatemala in connection with the
Speaker 2: investigation of the Marcelo case. Ferry said that prior to
Speaker 2: a very recent trip, he was last in the state
Speaker 2: of Texas in August nineteen sixty two, at which time
Speaker 2: he was in Orange, Texas. Ferry said he had planned
Speaker 2: during the trial of Marcello case and immediately upon the
Speaker 2: conclusion of that case, he would take a trip for
Speaker 2: the purpose of relaxing He said that he left his
Speaker 2: home at thirty three thirty Louisiana Avenue Parkway, New Orleans,
Speaker 2: November twenty second, sixty three, roughly six thirty pm, in
Speaker 2: his nineteen sixty one light blue Comet fourd or station wagon,
Speaker 2: which he purchased from the Delta Mercury Company in New
Speaker 2: Orleans within the past month. He stated, Charles Graham, salesman
Speaker 2: Delta Mercury Company, sold him the Comet wagon. So this
Speaker 2: is I highlighted this because this is the official story
Speaker 2: on what David Ferry did that day. The official story
Speaker 2: says David Ferry didn't leave New Orleans till six thirty
Speaker 2: He left in his light blue Comet station wagon and
Speaker 2: then just meandered all the way to Houston, where they
Speaker 2: arrive about four thirty in the morning.
Speaker 1: Now, Corey, let's let's go back that same day in
Speaker 1: the morning. We're getting pushed back that he was in
Speaker 1: court and that he's accounted for in New Orleans as
Speaker 1: being present there when the president is shot over in Dallas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that story is stupid.
Speaker 2: It totally falls apart when you put like the real
Speaker 2: story together and then you come to realize that his
Speaker 2: alibi witnesses were a bunch of mobsters and a corrupt
Speaker 2: FBI agent who all were obviously clearly in on this.
Speaker 2: I would like to know the role of Regis Kennedy
Speaker 2: and his relationship with Carlos Marcelo and his role in
Speaker 2: this a little more, because obviously he was aware. He
Speaker 2: knew all the players. He was Hoover's point man for
Speaker 2: the Cubans down there, so he knew all these guys.
Speaker 3: But what got him involved in this, I don't know.
Speaker 2: But the whole story doesn't make any sense once you
Speaker 2: come to find that, like he lied about everything else,
Speaker 2: so fairly related that on leaving his house, he drove
Speaker 2: to the homes of Alvin Boboof and Melvin Coffee and
Speaker 2: picked him up in order that they might accompany him
Speaker 2: on the trip. Just so everyone knows in advance, Melvin
Speaker 2: Coffee is a real person, but it's actually just an
Speaker 2: alias that was being used for Layton Martin's. Why he
Speaker 2: tried to protect Layton Martin's in this, I don't know,
Speaker 2: And why Melvin Coffee was willing to provide his name
Speaker 2: as an alibi, I don't know. He said at the
Speaker 2: time that he left his house, he did not know
Speaker 2: where he was going. He said the purpose of the
Speaker 2: trip was to merely relax, and that at the time
Speaker 2: he did not know whether he was going hunting, drinking,
Speaker 2: or driving. Ferry stated did not take any firearms with
Speaker 2: him when he left his home because he thought he
Speaker 2: might go out of state of Louisiana, did not know
Speaker 2: what the hunting seasons were in other states, and he
Speaker 2: was also concerned about transporting firearms across state lines. Fairry
Speaker 2: said that he'd been considering for some time the feasibility
Speaker 2: and possibility of opening an ice skating rink in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: He claimed he made a telephone call, possibly from Melvin
Speaker 2: Coffee's home, to truck Roland at the Winterland to skating
Speaker 2: rink in Houston, Texas. He advised that this call to
Speaker 2: Roland was charged to either telephone number eight nine nine
Speaker 2: three five nine eight or four eight six three one
Speaker 2: two seven, either Fairies or Melvin Coffee's phone numbers. Faerry
Speaker 2: claimed that he had no prior acquaintance with Roland, but
Speaker 2: had knowledge of the fact that the Winterland skating rink
Speaker 2: was located in Houston, So this is the first indication
Speaker 2: we have that his story is bullshit because the story
Speaker 2: is basically bullshit, right, So he wants to go ice
Speaker 2: skating to day Kennedy gets killed six seven hours away, right,
Speaker 2: it doesn't make any sense. After arriving at the motel,
Speaker 2: he placed a telephone call to Attorney g Rate Gill,
Speaker 2: but was unable to complete this call. He plays a
Speaker 2: second call to the Town and Country Motel and an
Speaker 2: effort to determine whether Attorney Gill was located at the
Speaker 2: Town and Country motel. Ferry further related that Alvin boboof
Speaker 2: may have made a telephone call to his home. He
Speaker 2: said that later they checked out of the Ala Motel
Speaker 2: and went to the bell Air skating rink on Chimney
Speaker 2: Rock Road. This is extremely significant. The bel Air skating
Speaker 2: rink on Chimney Rock Road is extremely significant. And it's
Speaker 2: not on Chimney Rock Road, if I'm not mistaken. It
Speaker 2: was on God, I can't remember the name of the
Speaker 2: street offhand, but it was most certainly not on Chimney
Speaker 2: Rock Road. And actually we'll get to the bailor later,
Speaker 2: but the Beller skating rink didn't exist. It didn't exist
Speaker 2: post nineteen fifty nine, which is really weird that David
Speaker 2: Ferry would seem to have some knowledge of a skate
Speaker 2: rink that was knocked down.
Speaker 3: Four years prior to his trip.
Speaker 2: Verry stated that he looked the skating rink over tried
Speaker 2: to locate the owner, but the owner was unavailable. He
Speaker 2: said he remained at the bell Air for forty five
Speaker 2: minutes to an hour. On leaving the skating rink, they
Speaker 2: drove out Old Spanish Fort trail stopped at a restaurant
Speaker 2: near Telephone Road. Now, something happened on telephone Road. I
Speaker 2: think they had a meeting on Telephone Road. There's references
Speaker 2: to another strip club on Telephone Road, and I have
Speaker 2: a feeling they didn't go to a restaurant. I have
Speaker 2: a feeling and went to that strip club on Telephone Road.
Speaker 2: Also involved in this part of the story, which I
Speaker 2: don't really cover in this too much, there's a guy
Speaker 2: named Monte de Monti who is kind of like a mobster,
Speaker 2: like he's like a famous mobster, sort of like a
Speaker 2: flashy kind of card shark kind of guy. But he
Speaker 2: was known across the country and he gave a huge
Speaker 2: He told a big story about how he was involved
Speaker 2: in meeting with David Ferry. And these guys down here
Speaker 2: in Houston and Galveston, and I just can't seem to
Speaker 2: connect or what he did. So something else happened on
Speaker 2: this trip that no one's aware of. I believe it
Speaker 2: had to do with this telephone road address. I can't
Speaker 2: really prove why.
Speaker 1: Now, how do you know about the Monty statement or how.
Speaker 3: The Manty de MONTI?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So in researching all this stuff I found I
Speaker 2: just stumbled upon an article that was written about this
Speaker 2: kind of card shark, kind of a hustler pool hustler,
Speaker 2: kind of like a like a real flashy, kind of
Speaker 2: low level gangster guy who would you know, run books
Speaker 2: and do stuff like that. And he relayed the story
Speaker 2: to a guy who wrote an article and it's on
Speaker 2: some obscure website that no one's ever seen before, and
Speaker 2: he talks about I believe another guy he knew named
Speaker 2: Sid Tarante, who was the half brother of Jada, and
Speaker 2: he was a friend of his and he was involved
Speaker 2: down in this something that they did on this trip
Speaker 2: down in Houston. And at the time, Monte de Monte
Speaker 2: was living in Oak Cliff, which is really weird. The
Speaker 2: Monte de Monte and the Toronto stuff is like a
Speaker 2: I don't have any idea. I don't know what to
Speaker 2: deal with it is. But they did something to assist
Speaker 2: Ferry on this trip. Hopefully one day I'll figure that out,
Speaker 2: but probably not. There's only two articles on this thing,
Speaker 2: like anywhere. So all right, so at some point they
Speaker 2: said this, I haven't figured out either. I don't know
Speaker 2: why they incorporated this in the alibi story. He said
Speaker 2: that while en route to Galveston, Texas, they stopped at
Speaker 2: the Manned Spacecraft Center.
Speaker 3: I don't understand why.
Speaker 2: I don't know why that's relevant, but that very specific
Speaker 2: statement comes up a couple times in fairy statements about
Speaker 2: visiting the Manned spacecraft S Center. I don't know why
Speaker 2: they did that. I just have no idea. I mean,
Speaker 2: I as for a while I assumed they had something
Speaker 2: to do with maybe the aerospace stuff or whatever, but
Speaker 2: it just seems to be a loose end for now.
Speaker 2: And they looked around for twenty minutes. They then proceeded
Speaker 2: to Galveston, arriving there between ten thirty and eleven thirty PM.
Speaker 2: They immediately checked into Room seventeen at the Driftwood Motel
Speaker 2: three one twenty eight Sea Wall Boulevard and Galveston. Ever
Speaker 2: checking into the hotel, they drove around the vicinity of
Speaker 2: some old clubs in Galveston, returning to the motel sometime
Speaker 2: after midnight, possibly as late as one o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2: So that's the official story. That's what we're working on
Speaker 2: with the story. Fairy stated he and his companions awakened
Speaker 2: roughly at noon after having had breakfast, and went down
Speaker 2: to Main Street to See's Roebuck and Company, where he
Speaker 2: perched the jacket, sweater, and several other items. After leaving Sears,
Speaker 2: they drove directly to the Winterland Ice Skating Rink twenty
Speaker 2: four hundred Norfolk, which is at open to three thirty
Speaker 2: pm and closed at five thirty pm. Ferry stated he
Speaker 2: rented skates and skated at the rink for a while,
Speaker 2: looking in the situation over and also taking into consideration
Speaker 2: the amount of business at the rink. He stated that
Speaker 2: he then introduced himself to Chuck Roland and spoke with
Speaker 2: him at length concerning the cost of installation and operation
Speaker 2: of the rink. Ferry exhibited a leaflet of the Winterland
Speaker 2: Ice Skating Rink twenty four hundred Norfolk, which he had
Speaker 2: in his possession. Fairry stated that during the time he
Speaker 2: was talking to Chuck Roland, other employees of Roland were
Speaker 2: present at the rink. He recalled specifically there was a
Speaker 2: young boy who was passing out skates and an older
Speaker 2: man who was on duty at the rink, but does
Speaker 2: not recall whether he was introduced to these individuals or not.
Speaker 2: Fairy claimed he remained to Winterland for a period of
Speaker 2: approximately two hours, and after leaving there, he returned to
Speaker 2: the motel. Ferry stated that they arose around eight or
Speaker 2: eight thirty am November twenty fourth, sixty three. After having
Speaker 2: breakfast day he took the ferry across the bay to
Speaker 2: pick up the road to Port Arthur that runs along
Speaker 2: the coast. Ferry stated the first stop they made after
Speaker 2: reaching Port Arthur was at the Gulf Service Station on
Speaker 2: the left hand side of the highway in Port Arthur,
Speaker 2: where they purchased a new set of spark plugs for
Speaker 2: the Comet Station wagon. He stated that there was a
Speaker 2: television set in this station and he walked into the station.
Speaker 2: There was a picture on the television set showing the
Speaker 2: shooting of Lee Oswald in the basement of the Dallas
Speaker 2: City jail. Ferry said he presumed he was looking at
Speaker 2: the original live broadcast of the shooting, and that he
Speaker 2: was in the vicinity of it was around twelve o'clock
Speaker 2: noon on that date. He said that after changing the
Speaker 2: spark plugs in the station wagon, he ran the car
Speaker 2: up on the rack in order that the attendant could
Speaker 2: check the transmission in differential. Ferry estimated he remained there
Speaker 2: for twenty to thirty minutes. So this trip is on
Speaker 2: the way home after they do all this stuff with
Speaker 2: the winderland. They're on the way home. They're heading up
Speaker 2: through Port Arthur and they stop here to get spark plugs.
Speaker 2: They then left Port Arthur and drove to Orange, Texas,
Speaker 2: and after crossing the Louisiana state line, and they stopped
Speaker 2: at Buster's Bar and Restaurant.
Speaker 3: He stated.
Speaker 2: The operator of Buster's Bar and Restaurant is Marion James Johnson. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is invented, and so I need you to note
Speaker 2: Ferry's initial statement here. They stopped at Buster's Bar, Mary
Speaker 2: and James Johnson's place on the way home on that
Speaker 2: Sunday leading back to New Orleans. Okay, this is the
Speaker 2: first statement that Ferry makes which will be contradicted here. Shortly,
Speaker 2: he stated he contacted Johnson at the bar and restaurant
Speaker 2: talked to Johnson for thirty minutes discussing the status of
Speaker 2: an appeal on a perjury conviction of Johnson a connection
Speaker 2: with an income tax case on sheriff read at Lake Charles, Louisiana.
Speaker 2: A Coffee stated that Ferry picked up both Key and
Speaker 2: Bobo on Friday evening, November twenty second, sixty three, and
Speaker 2: they left New Orleans and Ferries Comet station wagon and
Speaker 2: drove to John Paul's restaurant in Kenner.
Speaker 3: Where they supper.
Speaker 2: He said they left Kenner between nine and nine thirty
Speaker 2: that night and traveled by way of Baton Rouge, Lafayette,
Speaker 2: Ke Charles, and onto Houston. So Melvin Coffee, let me reiterate,
Speaker 2: never went on this trip. Melvin Coffee is a name
Speaker 2: being used by Leyton Martin's, and they even went so
Speaker 2: far as to use Melvin Coffee's address and phone number
Speaker 2: on documents here along the trip to make it look
Speaker 2: like Melvin Coffee was on this trip, but he never was.
Speaker 2: I don't know why they did any of this stuff.
Speaker 2: Coffee stated. They arrived in Houston about four thirty am
Speaker 2: November twenty third, sixty three checked into the Ala Motel.
Speaker 2: He stated they did not leave the motel that morning,
Speaker 2: but retired shortly after their arrival. He stated that to
Speaker 2: the rest of his to the best of his recollection,
Speaker 2: they arose at approximately two o'clock and that the three
Speaker 2: of them went to Sears Roebucking Company, where they purchased
Speaker 2: jackets and sweaters. Coffee stated they then went to the
Speaker 2: Winterland Skating Rink, where they went ice skating for a
Speaker 2: while and later contacted the owner of the skating rink.
Speaker 2: Coffee related that Ferry was interested in the possibility of
Speaker 2: opening a skating rink and Orleans and talk to the
Speaker 2: owner of the Winterland Skating Rink concerning the costs and
Speaker 2: operator of installation and operation of a skating rink. Well,
Speaker 2: that's funny because none of that stuff ever happens.
Speaker 1: But so let me jump in now. Is Coffee the
Speaker 1: real coffee giving this story.
Speaker 2: Or yeah, he's obviously been fed and coached this story.
Speaker 2: And the absolute proof of that is the photographs of
Speaker 2: Alvin Boboff and Layton Martin's in Daily Plaza, which we'll
Speaker 2: get to here shortly. But yeah, so I don't know
Speaker 2: why he tried to protect Layton Martin's. Out of the
Speaker 2: two Alvin Boboff and Layton Martin's, Alvin Boboof was closer
Speaker 2: to Ferry, So I don't know why he wouldn't try
Speaker 2: to protect him. Why the whole name Shenanigan thing went on,
Speaker 2: I don't understand. I don't see why they did that.
Speaker 2: I don't see what the big deal would have been
Speaker 2: if he went with Layton Martins instead of Melvin Coffee.
Speaker 2: But it'll become very obvious here in a minute that
Speaker 2: Melviyn Coffee never went on this trip, And obviously the
Speaker 2: statements he's making don't jive with what really happened in
Speaker 2: the first place, considering nobody went on this trip, right,
Speaker 2: Nobody left from New Orleans to go to Houston. Nobody
Speaker 2: they went from Dallas down to Houston, not the other
Speaker 2: way around. And therefore Coffee is just straight lining here,
Speaker 2: all right. Coffee said they arose early that morning, November
Speaker 2: twenty fourth, After having had breakfast, drove to Port Arthur.
Speaker 2: He said they then purchased set of spark plugs. They
Speaker 2: then drove through Orange, Texas after crossing the Louisiana state
Speaker 2: line and stopped at a bar and restaurant operated by
Speaker 2: an individual known to him by the name of Buster. Coffee,
Speaker 2: said Fairy new Buster, and that after Ferry had a
Speaker 2: conversation with Buster approximately one half hour, they proceeded to Alexandria, Louisiana.
Speaker 2: I still don't know why they went to Alexandria. Coffee
Speaker 2: State's Alvin Bobuof had relatives in Alexandria, and they stand
Speaker 2: to play their plan.
Speaker 3: To socialize, but that seems to not have happened.
Speaker 2: He said that after arriving Alexandria, David Ferry attempted to
Speaker 2: contact Gil but was unsuccessful to contact him. Ferry then
Speaker 2: called his home and learned that late in Martin's that
Speaker 2: alleged allegations had been made involving Ferry in the assassination
Speaker 2: of President Kennedy. Coffee said that after learning, they immediately
Speaker 2: returned to New Orleans, and then on arrival in New Orleans,
Speaker 2: Ferry dropped him at his home. There's no recorded There's
Speaker 2: no record of a phone call from anywhere to David
Speaker 2: Ferry's residence at the time that he said this would
Speaker 2: have happened. None of the calls in the that are
Speaker 2: relevant in this trip. Whatsoever were ever made to David
Speaker 2: Ferry's residence so that statements a lie Coffee stated he
Speaker 2: never heard David Ferry make any statements that he thought
Speaker 2: the president should be killed and has never heard him
Speaker 2: outline any plans or make any comments as to how
Speaker 2: this could or should be done. Now we come to
Speaker 2: the top half of one of the most important documents
Speaker 2: in reference to this trip. This is another FBI document
Speaker 2: referenced David Ferry. November twenty eight, sixty three. Lee Fletcher,
Speaker 2: porter of the Alamotel, made available the registration card for
Speaker 2: the twenty third November sixty three, which reflected the following information.
Speaker 2: David Ferry, Alvin Bob Buoth, Melvin Coffee checked into Room
Speaker 2: nineteen alam Motel four thirty am, November twenty third, sixty
Speaker 2: three from New Orleans and stayed until November twenty fourth,
Speaker 2: which is Sunday, until eight or nine pm.
Speaker 3: What did I just read?
Speaker 2: These guys left and they went to Galveston where they
Speaker 2: stayed the night at the Driftwood in Galveston and checked
Speaker 2: out about ten o'clock in the morning on Sunday, the
Speaker 2: twenty fourth So here we have the first overt contradiction
Speaker 2: of the trip. They're checked into two motels that night,
Speaker 2: So fundamentally the night of the twenty second, the twenty
Speaker 2: third into the twenty fourth, you've got this utter contradiction
Speaker 2: here in the timeframe because they're checked in the Alamo,
Speaker 2: they're checked into Driftwood, and here they're checking out of
Speaker 2: the Alamotel, like twelve hours or ten hours after they
Speaker 2: check out of the Driftwood. Doesn't make any sense, right, Well,
Speaker 2: obviously there was somebody else staying in that motel, right,
Speaker 2: they had two hotels booked to cover for the fact
Speaker 2: that a group of people stayed at the Alamotel while
Speaker 2: these guys were at the Driftwood. And we know this
Speaker 2: because I don't think I have in a slide presentation here,
Speaker 2: but there was a blonde woman seen at the Alamotel,
Speaker 2: one of the women that worked there. Why is that significant?
Speaker 2: Who's the blonde woman in the story? Well, once you
Speaker 2: come to realize Jack Ruby made his trip down to
Speaker 2: Galveston this weekend and that Samuel Ruby was impersonating him
Speaker 2: all through Dallas, who, now do you know is the
Speaker 2: blonde woman who probably was accompanying Jack Ruby. It was
Speaker 2: probably Candy Bar. Candy Bar in deep with the Israelis,
Speaker 2: sleeping with actively Mickey Cohen m and knock them began,
Speaker 2: and so the blonde woman, I'm convinced Candy Bar and
Speaker 2: she went out with Jack Ruby on his trip to Galveston.
Speaker 2: But we'll come back to that later. But this year
Speaker 2: shows that there was they were checking into two motels
Speaker 2: that same night of the twenty third.
Speaker 1: Now, let me also ask you about that check in
Speaker 1: real quick on that document there, Corey. At another point,
Speaker 1: the porter originally wrote down the twenty second and said, well,
Speaker 1: so early in the morning, you know, the person who
Speaker 1: checked them in, you know, made a mistake and he
Speaker 1: probably meant to write, you know, the morning of the
Speaker 1: twenty third. What do you think of that?
Speaker 2: So I've spent some time on that exact issue, and
Speaker 2: either it's just as they say, which would make excuse me,
Speaker 2: it would make somewhat sense because David Ferry, you know,
Speaker 2: you gotta think he leaves from New Orleans and drives
Speaker 2: and they would have been that night to check in.
Speaker 3: So um, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I kind
Speaker 3: of theorized at.
Speaker 2: One point that maybe they checked in on the twenty second,
Speaker 2: somebody checked in on the twenty second and left the
Speaker 2: car there. I kind of thought that might have been
Speaker 2: the thing, and then why they would change it to
Speaker 2: the twenty third later and then actually provide a statement
Speaker 2: to cover for that. It seemed a little extreme to me,
Speaker 2: so a little outside the realm of possibility. So I
Speaker 2: don't think it's overly relevant unless there was a car
Speaker 2: dropped off there. I think that's the only thing that
Speaker 2: could account for that, other than exactly what the guy said.
Speaker 3: So I think those are our two options.
Speaker 2: It either happened just like he said, or somebody checked
Speaker 2: in the twenty second dropped a car off and then
Speaker 2: they had to come back, and then somebody picked up
Speaker 2: a car. So that's kind of how I look at that.
Speaker 2: So the place that David Ferry allegedly went was the
Speaker 2: Winterland Ice skating Rink, which is formally known as the
Speaker 2: Winterland Ice Arena. Fortunately I was I found a slew
Speaker 2: of photographs going back to the Winterland I think I
Speaker 2: have him at the very end of this presentation. If
Speaker 2: we have time, I'll show them. But this is a
Speaker 2: very rare photograph You're probably never gonna see anywhere else.
Speaker 2: All right, So now we have to talk about Roland
Speaker 2: Chuck Rowland. Roland Chuck Roland is the guy David Ferry
Speaker 2: shows up at the Winterland and he meets it, Roland
Speaker 2: Chuck Roland. Now, I don't know about you. I ain't
Speaker 2: never met nobody named Roland Roland in my whole life.
Speaker 2: I ain't never met anybody named David David my whole life,
Speaker 2: or William William. Okay, so the odds is somebody being
Speaker 2: named Roland Rowland. I thought we're about slim to none,
Speaker 2: and that was absolutely correct. So I just need to
Speaker 2: point out here that everybody in the chain of command
Speaker 2: here and this Kennedy assassination investigation went.
Speaker 3: Along with the fact that Roland Roland.
Speaker 2: Is using a fake name when he testifies before the committee.
Speaker 2: So let me go ahead and read this excerpt testimony
Speaker 2: of Roland Charles Roland, taking in court February twelve, sixty
Speaker 2: nine before the Honorable Edward Haggerty, Judge, Section C. I'll
Speaker 2: skip over the preamble for the record. Would you state
Speaker 2: your full name, please, Roland Charles Roland. Okay, that's a
Speaker 2: lie right there. His name ain't Roland. I don't know
Speaker 2: what the hell people's problem is, but they allowed him
Speaker 2: to say this in a court of law. Now, mister Roland,
Speaker 2: calling your attention to the time you return to the
Speaker 2: ice rank, you have occasion to meet someone, Yes, who
Speaker 2: was that? A very unusual thing? A mister David Ferry.
Speaker 2: The reason this is such a memory to me was
Speaker 2: because of the way he approached me. He had called
Speaker 2: the week before, several days before, asking about our services.
Speaker 2: We get many calls from people coming out of town
Speaker 2: from out of town because ice skating is an unusual
Speaker 2: thing to many people and they want to try the sport.
Speaker 2: Mister Ferry made quite a point. Actually, he made a
Speaker 2: bit of a pest of himself at the time. Mister Rowland,
Speaker 2: I'm to show you an exhibit mark for purposes of
Speaker 2: identification S ten and ask you if you recognize the
Speaker 2: person depicted. Yes, who is that person, mister David Ferry.
Speaker 2: So now we have Roland Chuck Roland testifying that he's
Speaker 2: identifying a picture of David Ferry. Is the man that
Speaker 2: he actually met in his ice skating rink, which will
Speaker 2: show here momentarily is impossible?
Speaker 3: Who is that person?
Speaker 1: It is?
Speaker 2: Mister David Ferry. Is that the man you're now talking about. Yes,
Speaker 2: would you like a description of him?
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: He had a red hair war to pay in a
Speaker 2: sort of ruddy complexion. Did you have a conversation with
Speaker 2: Ferry at that time?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: I did. What was that he came in and made
Speaker 2: known that he was there as party himself and two others.
Speaker 2: Was he with anyone at the time? He was by
Speaker 2: himself when he came up, but later he brought two
Speaker 2: others over and introduced them to me, but I do
Speaker 2: not recall their names. And frankly, he came back to
Speaker 2: me and talked to me. I was waiting on people,
Speaker 2: and he made quite a point of the fact that
Speaker 2: he was there. Mister Diamond says, I object to this conclusion.
Speaker 2: You can testify as to how many times he met
Speaker 2: or spoke to you, but you're drawing a conclusion. Mister
Speaker 2: Alcock says mister Rowland. After this first encounter or introduction
Speaker 2: by Ferry, did you have occasion to talk to him
Speaker 2: again that same afternoon? And this is where it gets important. Yes,
Speaker 2: how many times, approximately five? And what was said on
Speaker 2: these occasions by Fairy nothing except to let me know
Speaker 2: that he was there, okay. So now we got a
Speaker 2: guy who doesn't really match a description of Fairy with
Speaker 2: a ready complexion in a red to pey. Okay. And
Speaker 2: now he's introducing himself five times just to let him
Speaker 2: know that he's there. Why would anybody on earth do that?
Speaker 2: Possibly to draw attention to themselves, to make it absolutely
Speaker 2: clear that David Ferry was at the Winterland five times.
Speaker 2: He says, I think you said that Ferry did not
Speaker 2: rent any skates. That is correct. He did not skate.
Speaker 2: He spent most of his time walking around the lobby,
Speaker 2: looking in the pro shop and watching the skaters. He
Speaker 2: made a number of trips to the telephone booth and
Speaker 2: then to his two companions, and he was talking to
Speaker 2: his companions and talking to me on a number of occasions.
Speaker 2: So Fairy already said that he went skating, and now
Speaker 2: here we have Roland Roland saying Ferry didn't go skating.
Speaker 2: So here we have another big contradiction in the official story.
Speaker 2: Now with respect to your description of mister Ferry, which
Speaker 2: the record will show, you did offer to describe him
Speaker 2: and did describe him, did you not? I believe I did.
Speaker 2: You said he had on a twopey. Yes, and by
Speaker 2: that you meant false hair. That's right.
Speaker 3: You said it was reddish brown. It was reddish in color.
Speaker 3: Well that groomed? Was groomed? Are very messy looking? I
Speaker 3: was quite curly?
Speaker 2: Is the way I would explain it. Would you term
Speaker 2: it spotty? What is your definition of spotty? Appearances of
Speaker 2: having hair missing from it?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Remember this is Saturday afternoon between three and five pm
Speaker 2: in Houston. All right, now, let me ask you with
Speaker 2: respect to David Ferry's eyebrows, did you recall anything unusual
Speaker 2: about them? They were unusual, but I can't explain in
Speaker 2: what way do you recall they were unusual? Like possibly
Speaker 2: they were plucked or some shape? You say, quite possibly?
Speaker 2: You saw them?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Were they bushy? You mean why bushy eyebrows? Well, let
Speaker 2: me help you just a minute. May I have the
Speaker 2: pictures of fairy please, I don't know the number. And
Speaker 2: then by mister Diamond, I show you first the photograph
Speaker 2: that has been marked for identification State eight mister Rowland,
Speaker 2: purporting to be a photograph of David Ferry after his decease,
Speaker 2: and ask you to observe the eyebrow on that photograph. Yes,
Speaker 2: I also show you another photograph mark for identification State ten,
Speaker 2: likewise purporting to be a photograph of Dave Fairy, and
Speaker 2: ask you to observe not only the eyebrows, but the
Speaker 2: back of the hair in the photograph. Okay, having seen
Speaker 2: these photographs, are you willing to give us any more
Speaker 2: detail and a detailed description of the appearance of Dave
Speaker 2: Fairy's eyebrows. Well, they appeared to me what I recalled full.
Speaker 2: They weren't plucked out, but they were like shaped up
Speaker 2: like a woman does hers in the sense of a word.
Speaker 2: You'd say they were full. That is correct. Well, that
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense either, does it right? Because David
Speaker 2: Ferry used to just paint them on. Now, there was
Speaker 2: some speculation that he had pasted hair onto his eyebrows,
Speaker 2: but I haven't found any pictures that substantiate any of that.
Speaker 2: So here we got a guy who's very tall, he's
Speaker 2: got on a red to pey, and his eyebrows are
Speaker 2: very full and wide and fluffed up. Okay, So not
Speaker 2: David Ferry, not in the least. And why is it
Speaker 2: that Chuck Roland would be willing to lie before the
Speaker 2: Warren Commission.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll get to that here momentarily.
Speaker 1: Cot just to clarify, I think this is the clay
Speaker 1: Shaw trial.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, did he testify at clay Shaw?
Speaker 1: I think this is from February twelve, the.
Speaker 3: Sex That's right, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're're correct, you're correct. How many times
Speaker 2: did fairy introduce himself to you? Approximately four or five?
Speaker 2: He mentioned his name on four or five occasions, Yes, sir,
Speaker 2: he did. Did you consider this strange? Quite strange? So, James,
Speaker 2: when you introduce yourself to somebody, do you introduce yourself
Speaker 2: four or five times, making sure to mention your name
Speaker 2: every time?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: Recross examination by mister Diamond. One moment you say that
Speaker 2: fairy introduced himself to you five times? I said a
Speaker 2: number of times, and each time there was quite a
Speaker 2: point made as to who he was. Didn't you say
Speaker 2: five times? I object, your honor, says mister Alcock. The
Speaker 2: witness is not responding to my question. He has a
Speaker 2: right to explain the answer. He has a right to
Speaker 2: explain it. But I asked him nothing about the rest
Speaker 2: the courts has Let me advise the witness, and any
Speaker 2: answer mister Roland, when they ask you a question, you
Speaker 2: can either say yes or no, and if it calls
Speaker 2: for a yes or no, and you will be permitted
Speaker 2: to explain your answer no matter how long it takes.
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. Didn't you say he introduced himself to
Speaker 2: you about five times? I said about five times?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: In what words did he introduce himself to you upon
Speaker 2: these occasions through conversation? Did he say I am Dave
Speaker 2: Ferry five times?
Speaker 1: Or what?
Speaker 2: He pointed out his name, like I Dave Ferry this
Speaker 2: or that in conversation. So he's making a point to
Speaker 2: give the name Dave Ferry every single time that he's
Speaker 2: talking to this guy. Right, how about the first time
Speaker 2: he introduced himself to you? What did he say then?
Speaker 2: He said, I'm Dave Ferry. I'm the one that called
Speaker 2: you from New Orleans about a skating party, and I
Speaker 2: have my party here. Was there anything unusual about that
Speaker 2: that first introduction?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Because when I talked to him on the phone told
Speaker 2: him this is a public session, just come in and skate,
Speaker 2: you thought it unusual for him to identify himself when
Speaker 2: he comes in at a public skating session. I sure
Speaker 2: do it? Happens very very seldom. So here what's important
Speaker 2: is that Chuck Roland is pointing out that Ferry called him,
Speaker 2: and he's like, yeah, just come on in and skate
Speaker 2: like you don't need me to do that. I don't
Speaker 2: got to hold your hand right now. That's basically what
Speaker 2: he's saying here. So now Dave Ferry comes in, introduces
Speaker 2: himself five times, uses his name Dave Ferry all these
Speaker 2: different times, and he went out of his way to
Speaker 2: let him know that he was there. Okay, why is
Speaker 2: he doing this? He's drawing attention to himself. That's it.
Speaker 2: He's creating an alibi story because this zero possibility. The
Speaker 2: man that this guy Rowland is talking to is Dave Ferry.
Speaker 1: Now you're now you think Roland knows that he knows
Speaker 1: that isn't the real fairy.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And we'll get to why he should know that
Speaker 2: coming up in this presentation. So what do we got here?
Speaker 2: So here we got at Galves in Texas, probably talking
Speaker 2: about the Driftwood on November twenty eight, sixty three, Mary
Speaker 2: do Verie Clerk Driftwood Motor Hotel thirty one, twenty eight
Speaker 2: Seawall Boulevard, galveson Texas exhibited hotel registration card three eight
Speaker 2: oh sixty eight, which reflected that Melvin S. Coffee, Alvin Boboof,
Speaker 2: and David W. Ferry registered at this hotel at eleven
Speaker 2: pm November twenty third, nineteen sixty three, and we're assigned
Speaker 2: room one seventeen. Now, remember they're still checked in at
Speaker 2: the Allen Hotel and somebody is staying there because they
Speaker 2: see the blonde woman there. They listed their address as
Speaker 2: six eighteen North Pierce, So there's been a lot of
Speaker 2: debate over the years on whose address this is.
Speaker 1: Everyone.
Speaker 2: I've seen this list as unidentified address more times than
Speaker 2: I can count. It's not unidentified. That's Melvin Coffee's home address.
Speaker 2: Records reflected that they checked out November twenty fourth, nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty three. Time not listed. So they're checking out of
Speaker 2: both motels on the twenty fourth. Kind of not possible
Speaker 2: unless you're like Schrodinger's Ferry Missus DOVERI stated that on
Speaker 2: November twenty fourth, sixty three, one of these individuals made
Speaker 2: a telephone call to Alexandria, Louisiana. Again, I don't know
Speaker 2: why they went called the Alexandria or allegedly went there.
Speaker 2: Alvin Bobu's parents lived there, Clayshaw's parents lived there. There's
Speaker 2: an airport there, there's a fancy hotel there that the
Speaker 2: FBI investigated the hell out of. They went there for
Speaker 2: one of those reasons, which one it is? I don't know,
Speaker 2: and talk three minutes and total charges were dollar five.
Speaker 2: Telephone number called to Alexandria unknown. How is it possibly unknown?
Speaker 2: They got every other phone number in the world but
Speaker 2: not this one. Give me a break. How do they
Speaker 2: not have the phone numbers called from the Winterland by
Speaker 2: David Ferry? How is that possible? Because this is an
Speaker 2: intentionally obfuscated investigation. All right, So November twenty eight, sixty three,
Speaker 2: miss surely dial clerk Driftwood Motel. Recall the above three
Speaker 2: individuals checked out around ten am on November twenty fourth. Okay,
Speaker 2: so ten am on the twenty fourth, and here's where
Speaker 2: they start their trip. This is where they allegedly go
Speaker 2: geese hunting and then go on their trip back to.
Speaker 3: New Orleans.
Speaker 2: None of the story makes any sense because none of
Speaker 2: it's true. The above registration card reflected that these individuals
Speaker 2: were driving a Ford station wagon bearing Louisiana Lisi plate
Speaker 2: seven eight four to eight, nine to five. But David
Speaker 2: Ferry doesn't own a Ford, does he. No, he does not.
Speaker 2: He owns a Mercury Comet station wagon. The cool thing
Speaker 2: about this little bit of trade craft they attempted to
Speaker 2: pull off here was that the Mercury Comet station wagon
Speaker 2: and the Ford Falcon station wagon are identical vehicles with
Speaker 2: different branding. Okay, there are two Ford Falcon station wagons
Speaker 2: light in color unknown color that are in the story.
Speaker 2: One of them was connected to Ferry. I covered it
Speaker 2: recently on my podcast talking about the David Ferry files,
Speaker 2: and so I think that that possibly could be where
Speaker 2: the Ford Falcon station wagon came from. Lord Falcon station
Speaker 2: wagon was also observed up at the house on Belmont
Speaker 2: and Fort Worth at the same place that Kenneth Glenn
Speaker 2: Wilson got arrested. Where I'm convinced David Ferry went and
Speaker 2: did a car swap that's connected to the David Wayne
Speaker 2: house stuff. But the Ford station wagon, he didn't have
Speaker 2: a Ford, he had a Mercury.
Speaker 1: Comment.
Speaker 2: This to me is kind of evidence that they were
Speaker 2: doing license plate swapping between two vehicles.
Speaker 1: Corey. If someone wanted to watch that listen to that
Speaker 1: podcast on the Ferry Files and your other work. Where
Speaker 1: do they go?
Speaker 2: Corey Hughes, Bloody History. I think I'd done like my
Speaker 2: last like ten episodes on Fairry. I probably got like
Speaker 2: a whole lot more. I'm trying to knock out that
Speaker 2: file that I got. There's actually okay, there's one document
Speaker 2: in particular that I'm looking for and it's in the
Speaker 2: Ferry file somewhere and I can't find it. And that's
Speaker 2: why I kind of did this whole series on Ferry
Speaker 2: just to find this one damn document. And when I
Speaker 2: find it, I'll let you know. But it's one of
Speaker 2: my favorite documents in all Kennedy research, and it basically
Speaker 2: puts a rifle in David Ferry's hand. And so when
Speaker 2: I when I when I find that, I will let
Speaker 2: you know because it's one of my favorite documents. It's
Speaker 2: like clear as day that he was involved in the assassination. Everyone,
Speaker 2: all the people in his circle around him seemed to
Speaker 2: know that before this thing happened, you know, So when
Speaker 2: I find that thing, will definitely cover it. Now, we
Speaker 2: got some notes here from Garrison or Garrison's office, the
Speaker 2: JG as Jim Garrison an observation on an American success story.
Speaker 2: Note re subsequent upward mobility of these four arrivals in
Speaker 2: Galveston in November twenty third, sixty three. In early sixty four,
Speaker 2: Ferry and bo Booth jointly open a filling station which
Speaker 2: they got the money from blackmailing Carlos Marcelo. Probably not
Speaker 2: a good idea. Melvin Coffee hired by NASA at Mishaud.
Speaker 2: And then breck Wall moves from Dallas to Las Vegas,
Speaker 2: where he becomes a headliner for years at the Thunderbird,
Speaker 2: which was owned run by Lewis McWillie, but it was
Speaker 2: owned by Mo Dallas and Meyer Lansky. And so the
Speaker 2: point that he's making here is these four guys all
Speaker 2: had stuff happened for them after the assautha.
Speaker 1: Breck Wall.
Speaker 2: The reason that brick Wall comes up in this is
Speaker 2: uh and I don't think I talk about it in
Speaker 2: this particular story, but allegedly Jack Ruby calls brick Wall
Speaker 2: down at the house of the McKenna's well. The McKenna
Speaker 2: is actually Robert McEwan. The So it's one of the
Speaker 2: worst alibis, every one of the worst aliases ever used.
Speaker 2: And so but that's totally false. Brick Wall, I don't
Speaker 2: believe ever went to Galveston. I believe the phone call
Speaker 2: from Ruby to breck Wall was actually brick Wall to
Speaker 2: Ruby because Ruby was definitely out in Galveston. And how
Speaker 2: how would Jack Ruby not check in on his buddy
Speaker 2: Robert McEwen while he's down there, which is exactly what
Speaker 2: I think happens. So the whole brick Wall thing unrelated
Speaker 2: but totally totally conspiracy as well.
Speaker 1: How much in the document do you get more into Ruby?
Speaker 1: So I'll just ask the question. If we get into
Speaker 1: it later, we will. But Ruby went to his synagogue
Speaker 1: the night of the assassination. According that's correct, according to
Speaker 1: the rabbi, is about at eight o'clock at night.
Speaker 2: He estimated, Yeah, I don't buy that. I don't buy
Speaker 2: the Jack Ruby ever went there. I think that was
Speaker 2: Samuel Ruby because Jack Ruby had to leave to go
Speaker 2: to Galveston, and he was seen there the next day
Speaker 2: in a sporting good store or a hardware store buying
Speaker 2: a gun. This is in the Warrant Commission documents. So
Speaker 2: he most certainly left to go to Galveston, where I
Speaker 2: believe he went to bring Andrew Jerome Blackman back to
Speaker 2: his boat, which was waiting for him at the Big
Speaker 2: Galveston Harbor. Why he went and not Samuel, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but to me that it's pretty obvious because Samuel is
Speaker 2: the one in the hallway of the police department. Samuel
Speaker 2: is the one at twelve forty five at w at
Speaker 2: the Dallas Morning News in the background on the telephone.
Speaker 2: You know, we got all these pictures of Samuel Ruby,
Speaker 2: and it's not Jack. It's not Jack Ruby. Jack Ruby
Speaker 2: went to Galveston to take Jerome Blackman back to his boat.
Speaker 2: He doesn't get back to Dallas until late Saturday night. Yeah, so,
Speaker 2: but no, that he's some further clarification one hundred percent
Speaker 2: David Jack Ruby's trip and the other evidence about him
Speaker 2: going to Galveston, I need to flesh out and clarify
Speaker 2: a little more so, David William Ferry. The following investigation
Speaker 2: conducted by Joseph Kilgore at Port Arthur, Texas. They remember
Speaker 2: twenty eight sixty three William Frank Powell Week Service Station
Speaker 2: thirty six forty nine Gulfway Drive, Highway eighty seven, Port Arthur,
Speaker 2: Texas advis here on Sunday November twenty fourth, sixty three,
Speaker 2: about one or two pm, Three men in a light
Speaker 2: blue Commet station wagon stopped at the station. So if
Speaker 2: it's one or two pm, they were not They could
Speaker 2: not have watched Jack shooting Oswald on TV. The motor
Speaker 2: was not running smoothly due to an oil and spark plugs.
Speaker 2: They purchased a new set driver described as a white
Speaker 2: male in his early twenties. He was five foot nine
Speaker 2: to ten inches tall, probably bo Boof at that at
Speaker 2: that height, weigh one hundred and thirty forty one hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty one hundred and forty pounds, with light brown
Speaker 2: hair cut short. One of the other passengers met with
Speaker 2: the same description right bo Boof and Martin's pretty much
Speaker 2: the same description. Third passenger described was a white male
Speaker 2: thirty five to forty five. He was five foot ten
Speaker 2: to six foot tall, heavy build, dark hair. Powell stated
Speaker 2: they did not disclose their origin or destination. These men
Speaker 2: watched television for a short time, believed to be after
Speaker 2: the actual murder of Oswald. Powell advised they seemed to
Speaker 2: be in somewhat of a hurry. Does not recall the
Speaker 2: direction they went when they left the station. No other
Speaker 2: pages in this document pertained fairy, and no pages in
Speaker 2: this document or classified. All right, this is this is
Speaker 2: how I this is one of then other indicators that
Speaker 2: this guy was not fairy. So William Frank Powelleek service
Speaker 2: Station Highway eighty seven, Port Arthuritex's advised in November twenty
Speaker 2: four to last in the early afternoon, three men in
Speaker 2: a light blue sixty one Comet station wagon. So so
Speaker 2: here they leave in a Ford Falcon from the hotel.
Speaker 2: But now we're back in a Comet station wagon, right
Speaker 2: because David Ferry drove the Ford Falcon back up to Hammond,
Speaker 2: and these guys took the Comet all the way back
Speaker 2: to New Orleans. That's why we have this conflict here.
Speaker 2: Driver described as a white male, early twenties, five nine
Speaker 2: inches tall, five a ten inches tall. Uh one three
Speaker 2: zero to one four zero pounds. I'll skip over that stuff.
Speaker 2: This is what got me forty thirty five to forty five,
Speaker 2: five a ten inches tall, the six foot heavy build,
Speaker 2: dark hair, wearing dark trousers and.
Speaker 3: A cowboy hat. Okay, a cowboy hat.
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard or seen a picture of David
Speaker 2: Ferry wearing a cowboy hat. Absolutely not, it doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: David Ferry never wore cowboy hat.
Speaker 1: Familiar in can.
Speaker 2: No way, no freaking way, okay. Who was known to
Speaker 2: wear a cowboy hat in this circle. Sergia Arcocha, who
Speaker 2: was the obvious guy to do this, the build, the
Speaker 2: relationship to Martin's and all that through. You know they
Speaker 2: did that break in at the armory, right, so these
Speaker 2: guys are super tight together Leyton Martin's and Alvin Bobouf
Speaker 2: and Sergeia Arcoca and so that come the cowboy hat
Speaker 2: combined with the build and all that stuff and the
Speaker 2: contradictions with Fairy. To me, it was pretty obvious that
Speaker 2: it was Arcoia, because remember this, the study of history
Speaker 2: is the study of relationships. Right, You're not going to
Speaker 2: go rob a bank with a guy you never met
Speaker 2: before and the stuff you're going to do. That's like
Speaker 2: killing the president. Only your super inner circle is going
Speaker 2: to be in on that. And our Katcha was most
Speaker 2: certainly as close as it gets to David Ferry on
Speaker 2: the inner circle, which is weird because our coach is
Speaker 2: kind of a gung home melting guy. It's surprising that
Speaker 2: he would put up with like a homosexual, kind of
Speaker 2: weirdo who was hanging out with kids.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So our coach is a little strange too on that front.
Speaker 2: Number three described same as driver while waiting for repairs.
Speaker 2: Individuals watch TV as so the murder of Oswald. All right,
Speaker 2: so fairy interview by John vols DA's office, December fifteen,
Speaker 2: sixty six. So now here we are, years later, three
Speaker 2: years later, three years later, we're going to be interviewing
Speaker 2: Ferry and we're going to see all the holes in
Speaker 2: his memory here. So did you take a trip on
Speaker 2: November twenty second? This is why John Voles Fairry says,
Speaker 2: whatever day, that day the verdict was rendered in the
Speaker 2: Marcello case, I took a week in vacation. Where did
Speaker 2: you go? H Houston, Galveston and Vinton. I had some
Speaker 2: business for Gil to take care of business? Was this
Speaker 2: with Gil? One of his cases in federal court? Maryon
Speaker 2: James Johnson was on appeal. I forgot whether I was
Speaker 2: to ask him for money for a transcript or what
Speaker 2: you were going hunting? Did you take any weapons?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Remember last time he said no because he didn't know
Speaker 2: about crossing state lines and stuff. Right, what kind well, shotguns.
Speaker 2: How many? Well, I assume offhand a weapon apiece. Right,
Speaker 2: So he doesn't even remember if he took weapons. He
Speaker 2: doesn't even remember what he told them three years ago
Speaker 2: because he wasn't on this trip. Like this trip didn't happen.
Speaker 2: This is like a total fabrication, just like the lunch
Speaker 2: room coke story. Ninety seconds after the assassination. They just
Speaker 2: made shit up. They straight up just made stuff up.
Speaker 2: Vole says, you went to Houston and went skating. Do
Speaker 2: you recall whether it was the same day he left here?
Speaker 2: We left at night, We stayed in a motel. Have
Speaker 2: to go back to the FBI for accuracy. Why would
Speaker 2: the FBI be the ones to know what his trip
Speaker 2: was like? Sometime that next day we went ice skating.
Speaker 2: I was the only one that knew how. Okay, So
Speaker 2: here we have two different statements years apart from David
Speaker 2: Ferry saying he went skating and he was the only
Speaker 2: one who knew how. But we just heard from Truck
Speaker 2: Rowland who was like, he never went skating. He just
Speaker 2: sat by the phone booth. Right, So there's lies upon
Speaker 2: lies here. Now, if this is an up and up story,
Speaker 2: why is everyone lying.
Speaker 1: And have we heard in the rehabilitation process that Fairy
Speaker 1: and his buddies were just nice guys, that the younger
Speaker 1: some of these younger guys were actually like kind of
Speaker 1: into skating or roller skating or something and that was
Speaker 1: like their way in to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, so bo Boof made some statements that he
Speaker 2: had met some of the other guys who knew Faerry
Speaker 2: at the skating rink. I'm assuming he's meaning roller skating rink.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that they actually believe it or not.
Speaker 2: I have never researched whether or not there was a
Speaker 2: damn ice skating rink in New Orleans. I think somebody
Speaker 2: else told me that there was, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, skating rinks have come up. And why does
Speaker 2: skating rinks come up. Well, that's where you can traffic
Speaker 2: children and they're not going to look out of place
Speaker 2: bringing a kid somewhere, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: I believe that's the ice skating rink connection. That's why
Speaker 2: David Fairy knew about the bell air going all the
Speaker 2: way back, and so yeah, I think the skating rinks
Speaker 2: are quite nefarious when it comes to this story. Vole said,
Speaker 2: did you rent your own skates or do you have
Speaker 2: your own and fairy goes we rented them. I don't
Speaker 2: think I have my own skates. I think we rented them. Well,
Speaker 2: they very didn't rent any skates because he wasn't on
Speaker 2: this trip and he didn't go ice skating, and he
Speaker 2: told people that he did go skating, but we know
Speaker 2: he didn't, so Vole says or asked, did you leave
Speaker 2: for Galveston in the morning or night? Do you know
Speaker 2: what you did when you got to Galveston besides finding
Speaker 2: it dead? I remember the morning in Galveston because we
Speaker 2: went out looking for bars and found the only thing
Speaker 2: you could buy was beer. By our standards, here, it
Speaker 2: was dead. It couldn't get deader. So far the vacation
Speaker 2: had been falling on its head. It seems to me
Speaker 2: it was inclement, some inclemency in the weather, coolness. I
Speaker 2: don't know what we expected for November, but we wanted
Speaker 2: something pleasant. I'm trying to recall whether I stopped at
Speaker 2: Vinton on the way to Houston or coming back. See
Speaker 2: he doesn't know. I can't remember because he wasn't there.
Speaker 2: I think I might have my dates all mixed up here.
Speaker 2: I think we stayed in Vinton that night, the night
Speaker 2: of the twenty second, the night of whatever date we
Speaker 2: left here. So now he doesn't even know when the
Speaker 2: hell they got to the Ala Motel. The story changes
Speaker 2: once again. We went to Mary and James Johnson's roadhouse,
Speaker 2: a combination restaurant, bar, et cetera that was invented. Yes,
Speaker 2: so now he's claiming they stayed in venting the twenty
Speaker 2: second completely impossible. Do you recall where you stayed in Galveston?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Do you recall where you stayed in Alexandria?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: My only source would be the FBI. How could you
Speaker 2: possibly go on one of the most crazy trips in American
Speaker 2: history the day the president gets assassinated and you don't
Speaker 2: remember where you stayed? Okay, it's a lie, he remembers.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, Corey, in your time in police work,
Speaker 1: when you get testimony from somebody three years after an event,
Speaker 1: is it like this?
Speaker 2: You know, I've never had that long of a follow
Speaker 2: up on a case, because most of the time, if
Speaker 2: you get a case that requires that kind of lengthy
Speaker 2: follow up where you can't do anything for like months,
Speaker 2: then that goes to a detective you worked it till
Speaker 2: you can't anymore on the road, and then a detective
Speaker 2: takes over. And so I've never had the opportunity to
Speaker 2: interview someone years after the fact. And this is a
Speaker 2: complicated case with an alibi and stuff. So as a
Speaker 2: street cop, I never really had the opportunity to, you know,
Speaker 2: to get a story like this from somebody. But if
Speaker 2: you so me personally, I've been traveling my whole life
Speaker 2: since I was like eighteen years old. I traveled around
Speaker 2: the country following the band Fish. I've seen him at
Speaker 2: least one hundred and fifty times. I can tell you
Speaker 2: stories about every single place I ever went.
Speaker 3: Okay, how to hell?
Speaker 2: This one guy doesn't remember one thing on one trip
Speaker 2: from three years ago is like totally mind boggling to me.
Speaker 2: Uh So, obviously he's lying, all right. So the only
Speaker 2: way I would know for sure is to call mister Wall.
Speaker 2: Mister Wall, He's not talking about BRECKT.
Speaker 1: Wall.
Speaker 2: He's talking about FBI agent Wall, who also was involved
Speaker 2: in this story.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: So here we have a New York Times article or
Speaker 2: a transcript of it. This was from the Garrison files
Speaker 2: or Wiseber files, I believe. New York Times article by
Speaker 2: Nan robertson February twenty fifth, sixty seven. It does a
Speaker 2: very great job of pointing out the contradictions in the
Speaker 2: story thus far so archives on Faerry's trip FBI reports
Speaker 2: on testimony of Fairy and others left New Orleans about
Speaker 2: nine pm November twenty second with two men. Houston Alla
Speaker 2: Motel registration card shows Ferry, Alvin Bobouf and Melvin Coffee
Speaker 2: checked into Room nineteen at four thirty am November twenty third.
Speaker 2: November twenty third date written over November twenty second date.
Speaker 2: Porter said because as of early morning hours, but he
Speaker 2: was sure it was November twenty third.
Speaker 3: Porters Lee Fletcher records.
Speaker 2: Show men stayed until Sunday, November twenty fourth, but this
Speaker 2: conflicts with the card the FBI showed in Galveston, where
Speaker 2: Mary Deveri, clerk at the Driftwood Motel, showed registration cards
Speaker 2: showing same three men checked into Driftwall eleven pm Saturday,
Speaker 2: November twenty third. Another clerk, Shirley Dial, said they left
Speaker 2: about ten am on Sunday, November twenty fourth. So we
Speaker 2: see the contradiction here already right caught in a published
Speaker 2: article by nineteen sixty seven, right, So why the hell
Speaker 2: in fifty sixty years nobody's focused on David Ferry and
Speaker 2: putting him in Dallas. I really don't have any idea
Speaker 2: when everybody seems to know his story was bunked the
Speaker 2: whole time, right, it's really truly unbelievable. This conflicts with
Speaker 2: the FBI card. I read that part triple A puts
Speaker 2: Houston three hundred and sixty four miles or an eight
Speaker 2: to nine hour drivetime from New Orleans. Galveston fifty miles
Speaker 2: from Houston about one hour, Dallas two hundred and forty
Speaker 2: three miles or five and a half hours from Houston.
Speaker 2: Remember there's no highway system back then, so things took
Speaker 2: a little longer. Record cards for both motels list car
Speaker 2: license as LA seven eight four eight nine to five.
Speaker 2: Ferry told agents it was a light blue nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: one Comet station wagon he had bought New Orleans several
Speaker 2: weeks before. At Houston motel it was listed as a
Speaker 2: Comet automobile. At Galveston it's a Ford station wagon. Right,
Speaker 2: So you see we have two distinct automobiles here in
Speaker 2: two different places, driven by two groups of people. David
Speaker 2: Ferry and the Ford Falcon Arcotia and the kids in
Speaker 2: the Mercury Comet at Houston Motel. Ferry made several long
Speaker 2: distance calls motel records at one local and four to
Speaker 2: New Orleans. Two of these are the radio stations w S,
Speaker 2: H O and WDSH. There is no WDSH. It doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: I drove myself crazy for a month looking for it
Speaker 2: doesn't exists.
Speaker 3: All right, other two town in country?
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Yeah, let me ask you when move gone,
Speaker 1: when we're going all those when you're following the band
Speaker 1: and you checked into a hotel or motel, did you
Speaker 1: call a Did you call radio stations while you're there? No?
Speaker 2: I didn't, No, I didn't. So the radio stations, I
Speaker 2: think are meant to mask phone calls. I think the
Speaker 2: whole purpose of the radio stations is just a Remember
Speaker 2: Carrie Thornley will stop in Alys, Texas at the radio
Speaker 2: station to apply for a job, allegedly, but he makes
Speaker 2: a phone call while he's there. He gives the name Oswald.
Speaker 2: Obviously it's Kerry Thornley setting up Oswald. But he stopped
Speaker 2: at a radio station there. Jack Ruby that morning goes
Speaker 2: to the radio stations. You have the radio stations involved.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: You've got Carry Thornley admitting to Jim Garrison that he
Speaker 2: has multiple friends and strong connections at both WDSU and
Speaker 2: w s h O, which was owned by Hank Greenspun,
Speaker 2: by the way, And so the whole thing is wild
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: I thought the Stern family was w ds U.
Speaker 2: Stern family. Yes, Hank Greenspun owned w s h O.
Speaker 2: Remember Hank Greenspun owned the Sun newspaper in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: And for some reason, for some reason, in the fifties
Speaker 2: and sixties, the CIA went out trying to buy up
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of radio stations all over the country,
Speaker 2: and they used people like Hank Greenspun as the you know,
Speaker 2: benefactor for whatever reason. And yes, yes, yes, there's a
Speaker 2: whole world there going on with the Israelis and the
Speaker 2: gun running and Sonborne and all this stuff in the
Speaker 2: fifties and sixties involving Hank Greenspun, who gets arrested or
Speaker 2: he got he got busted, but then his name was
Speaker 2: taken off the indictment for shipping weapons to in aeroplane
Speaker 2: parts to Israel. Like our country was sunk before you
Speaker 2: and I were born. My friend, it's really a shame.
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: Where was I on?
Speaker 1: Here? Country owned by Marcello?
Speaker 3: Right right down?
Speaker 2: A country is owned by Marcello. They called the radio stations.
Speaker 2: But this doesn't exist. So yeah, this is basically now,
Speaker 2: this is just a showing the contradictions in the story
Speaker 2: thus far. I thought it was a great summary. But
Speaker 2: what did Faerry actually do?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: So this is the most important stuff that kicks off
Speaker 2: the entire assassination story. This is like, this is like
Speaker 2: the first thing that happens, So I'm not going to
Speaker 2: read this whole thing. This is Cedric Gervais talking to
Speaker 2: Jack Martin, and basically this is where Jack Martin because
Speaker 2: Jack Martin made a phone call to the FBI and
Speaker 2: on the twenty second ratted David Ferry out. And basically
Speaker 2: what he tells him is this, He said, I do
Speaker 2: happen to know. I can't tell you how I know,
Speaker 2: but it's damn reliable that Faerry was in Dallas at
Speaker 2: least in Fort Worth two days before the assassination of
Speaker 2: President Kennedy. Then it goes into I understand he was
Speaker 2: the fly three people from there to Rado, Texas. You know,
Speaker 2: all this stuff about pilots flying people out of Dallas
Speaker 2: is totally bunk. Nobody flew out of Dallas except for
Speaker 2: Seymour and Lauren Hall. I mean Lawrence Howard on the
Speaker 2: on the CIA plane with Robert Vincent. Like nobody else flew.
Speaker 2: Everyone else drove. So all to talk about looking for
Speaker 2: planes and crashed pilots off the coast of Mexico. All bunk,
Speaker 2: all right, So check Daily Star. This is from the
Speaker 2: Garrison files, Hammond, Louisiana. Supposedly a graduate student presumed Southeastern
Speaker 2: says Ferry hit out the night of the assassination in
Speaker 2: a dorm in Hammond. There's an airport in Hammond. Also,
Speaker 2: the Homa Shaw's mother, athletic director Grady Martin might have
Speaker 2: some info. There is zero info on athletic director Grady
Speaker 2: Martin at all. So but yes, I one hundred percent
Speaker 2: agree David Ferry was most certainly not in Houston. He
Speaker 2: most certainly hit out the night of the assassination in Hammond.
Speaker 2: And the student they're talking about is Frank J. Hlona Junior,
Speaker 2: which we will get to hear momentary early. So the
Speaker 2: story is that he goes there not the night of
Speaker 2: the assassination, but that he does all this stuff he
Speaker 2: goes on the trip to Houston and Galveston. That he
Speaker 2: gets back to New Orleans, he realizes that the DA's
Speaker 2: after him, and then he allegedly on that Sunday, the
Speaker 2: twenty fourth, drives up to Hammond where he stays that
Speaker 2: Sunday night into Monday in Hammond, Louisiana, before coming back
Speaker 2: and meeting mc garrison in the afternoon.
Speaker 1: A lot of driving for that, Yeah, that weekend, I.
Speaker 2: Know, right, And so this is what Compton says. It's
Speaker 2: very important we go over this word by word because
Speaker 2: he's about to have his story blown out of the
Speaker 2: water by his own roommate. Mister Compton continued to state
Speaker 2: that on Sunday after the assassination, at five thirty am,
Speaker 2: he was awakened by David Ferry in his dormitory bed
Speaker 2: at the University of Southeastern in Hamon, Louisiana. Mister Compton
Speaker 2: stated that until this day he's uncertain how Dave Ferry
Speaker 2: located him on this date. That's a lie. At this time,
Speaker 2: Dave Ferry was in hysterics and near tears as he stated,
Speaker 2: the police are at my home and have taken my things.
Speaker 2: Compton stated that Dave Ferry did not elaborate on my
Speaker 2: things and stated that Faerry also related he didn't do
Speaker 2: anything wrong. Well, let me point on Matt real quick,
Speaker 2: Sunday morning, at five thirty in the morning, it is
Speaker 2: absolutely one hundred percent impossible for any of these events
Speaker 2: to have occurred because none of these events occurred until
Speaker 2: after midnight on Monday. It was not until after midnight
Speaker 2: on Monday that the cops show up at David Ferry's house,
Speaker 2: arrest Bobouf and Martin's searched David Faery's house find all
Speaker 2: kinds of guns and explosives and all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2: That is after midnight Sunday into Monday. So for him
Speaker 2: to say Sunday after the assassination of five thirty is
Speaker 2: completely wrong. In regards to the rest of the story
Speaker 2: he relates about. David Ferry says there's some things missing
Speaker 2: some then official story is that he's still in Galiston
Speaker 2: at this point. Yeah, right, correct, right, yes, So Compton
Speaker 2: has just screwed up on his timing because Compton, I
Speaker 2: promise you, was awakened by Fairry at five thirty in
Speaker 2: the morning on this Sunday that he's talking about. But
Speaker 2: it was not connected to the story that he gave him,
Speaker 2: and I we'll get to that here momentarily.
Speaker 1: But in nineteen sixty three, you can just roll up
Speaker 1: to a college and just find a dorm and go
Speaker 1: up to the guy's dorm room and enter the dorm
Speaker 1: and then just stand over a bede.
Speaker 2: I guess, so, I guess, so that's creepy. I guess
Speaker 2: security wasn't what it was back, you know, back in
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 3: So and then he goes.
Speaker 2: The two talk for a while on different unrelated subjects,
Speaker 2: and then Ferry made two calls to New Orleans. Compton
Speaker 2: believed they were to gra Gill. Compon said Dave Ferry
Speaker 2: left approximately eight thirty am the same morning. Believed he
Speaker 2: returned to New Orleans in a Ford Falcon station wagon
Speaker 2: painted light blue. Here we go a second distinct reference
Speaker 2: to the Ford Falcon station wagon painted light blue. But
Speaker 2: we know that the Mercury Comet station wagon was on
Speaker 2: its way back to New Orleans where it stopped that
Speaker 2: week service station. Right, So clearly two distinctly different vehicles.
Speaker 2: Not a mistake in the description. Compensated he never met Lee.
Speaker 3: Harvey.
Speaker 2: Oswald also said he could not connect him in any
Speaker 2: way with cap only knowledge of Oswald came from mister
Speaker 2: Bill Wolf, who headed the New Orleans Astronomers, which doesn't
Speaker 2: make any sense whatsoever. The connection between Bill Wolf and
Speaker 2: Thomas Compton should not exist. I don't know why it
Speaker 2: does at some Harvey and Lee stuff. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to cover that today. But that statement by Compton that
Speaker 2: he knew mister Bill Wolf is wild, straight up should
Speaker 2: not be. It should not be the case. But it's
Speaker 2: a whole different conversation there, all right. So this is
Speaker 2: the most important Kennedy document of all time, all time.
Speaker 2: Like people will give us the documents, dude, we got
Speaker 2: the document.
Speaker 3: This is it.
Speaker 2: Okay, the most important Kennedy document of all time. I
Speaker 2: will put my I will stake my life on that statement.
Speaker 3: All right, here we go.
Speaker 2: In the fall of nineteen sixty three. This is from
Speaker 2: Frank J. H Alona, Junior, Thomas Compton's actual roommate at
Speaker 2: the time that David Ferry came and stayed with them. Okay,
Speaker 2: in the fall of nineteen sixty three, my roommate was
Speaker 2: Thomas Compton. We were residing in Holloway Smith Hall, Southeastern
Speaker 2: Louisiana College. I think that on approximately November twenty second
Speaker 2: or November twenty third, he told me that a friend
Speaker 2: of his would be staying in our room. Okay, this
Speaker 2: is significant because Compton told the FBI he had no
Speaker 2: idea how Ferry found him. He just showed up one
Speaker 2: day out of the blue. But that's not true because
Speaker 2: Frank Selona is saying something to the complete opposite of that.
Speaker 2: He said that his friend told him that they would
Speaker 2: have a friend staying in the room, so he knew
Speaker 2: that he was coming. Okay, So Thomas Compton is a liar.
Speaker 2: He probably got diddled by Fairry ten years prior in
Speaker 2: the Civil Air Patrol, and so why he's willing to
Speaker 2: give him an alibi I don't know, but obviously he lied.
Speaker 2: The reason for this person staying was said to be
Speaker 2: that he could be where many people could see him. Hello, alibi,
Speaker 2: al he's just explaining analeb. What an alibi is? Okay,
Speaker 2: this is exactly what happened. I was told his name
Speaker 2: was Dave. I don't remember for certain whether I was
Speaker 2: ever told his last name. I was told that he
Speaker 2: was a psychologist. Okay, so are we talking about David Ferry.
Speaker 2: Of course we are I even clipped from the directory
Speaker 2: that year David Fairy psychologist right here, which was in
Speaker 2: the local phone directory at Louisiana Avenue Parkway.
Speaker 3: And my name Dan by the way, yeah, right, right right.
Speaker 3: He got all those fake degrees, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Barrie University, Phoenix, Nerva, whatever.
Speaker 2: Phoenix University. So I was told that he was a psychologist.
Speaker 2: On the twenty third of November, in the afternoon or
Speaker 2: perhaps the evening, so we're talking Saturday, in the afternoon
Speaker 2: or the evening, I went to my room and found
Speaker 2: the man sleeping in my roommate's bed. His back was
Speaker 2: to me, so I couldn't see his face at the time.
Speaker 2: I noticed, however, that he was sleeping fully clothed and
Speaker 2: with his hat on. At this time, I also noticed
Speaker 2: that his hair was very strange looking. I believe I
Speaker 2: was introduced to him later on in the evening, but
Speaker 2: I don't remember the nature of the introduction or what
Speaker 2: was said, except that not much was set at all.
Speaker 2: I asked my roommate about this man, and in particular
Speaker 2: about his hair, and he told me he was bald,
Speaker 2: and that he paced the theatrical hair at the point
Speaker 2: where his hat met his head. I'm not certain that
Speaker 2: he spent the entire night in the room, or that
Speaker 2: he spent even more than a few hours in the
Speaker 2: early evening. The next time I saw him was Sunday
Speaker 2: morning in the lobby of the dormitory. It was very
Speaker 2: crowded as everyone was watching the funeral on TV. The
Speaker 2: funeral wasn't till Monday. I believe I saw him. I
Speaker 2: don't think I saw him after the Sunday morning. Later
Speaker 2: that day, my roommate told me that he David gone
Speaker 2: back home. I don't know how we got home. Perhaps
Speaker 2: my roommate drove him. At a later date, my roommate
Speaker 2: disclosed to me that he had either known or had
Speaker 2: heard of Lee Harvey Oswald through the Civil Air Patrol,
Speaker 2: of which he was a member for a short time.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if you can see it, but
Speaker 2: this is the most important Kennedy document of all time period.
Speaker 2: This debunk's David Fairy's alibi story shows that he was
Speaker 2: never at the Winterland. Why did he fabricate an alibi
Speaker 2: about the Winterland? Obviously because the guy was in Dallas, Okay.
Speaker 2: This to me starts the flow of dominoes that leads
Speaker 2: right to the Grassy Knoll, and I don't understand how
Speaker 2: in sixty goddamn years nobody else could point this out. See,
Speaker 2: I don't get proud that I saw stuff like this.
Speaker 2: This makes me angry. I had to waste the last
Speaker 2: eight years of my goddamn life on this when someone
Speaker 2: else could have done it. Jesus Christ, Like, I swear
Speaker 2: to God, this is my biggest complaint with the JFK
Speaker 2: research world. The answers are right there in front of us,
Speaker 2: and they've been there for sixty years. Okay, that's my rant.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna move on.
Speaker 1: God.
Speaker 4: Has anyone, by the way, has anyone in the years
Speaker 4: so you put out your book in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 4: we've been out there weekly almost whatever, we'll have you
Speaker 4: on talking about it.
Speaker 1: Has anyone come out and said, look like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we've been looking at this wrong. No.
Speaker 3: No, you have two camps.
Speaker 2: You have people who either see it, agree with me,
Speaker 2: and are and acknowledge what's going on. And then you
Speaker 2: have every other Kennedy researcher in the world who either
Speaker 2: ignores it, pretends it doesn't exist, doesn't acknowledge it, hasn't
Speaker 2: ever reviewed it, or doesn't seem to think I'm correct
Speaker 2: in some way or shape or form, because you happen
Speaker 2: to be in court Recrlo's most sallow that morning.
Speaker 3: It's like it drives me up up a wall.
Speaker 1: So there's two things up in the document. I wish
Speaker 1: maybe was which was a little more clear, Like when
Speaker 1: he says I approximately the twenty second or twenty third
Speaker 1: he wasn't. He doesn't even quite know that, and then
Speaker 1: he and then he screws up the Sunday morning thing
Speaker 1: you want.
Speaker 2: To write right, Well, you have to think they had
Speaker 2: they had three days of Kennedy funeral on television Saturday,
Speaker 2: Sunday and Monday. They had three full days on television
Speaker 2: of coverage, Yeah, coverage of stuff. So that's probably why
Speaker 2: he said that about the twenty second. But we know
Speaker 2: he stayed there over that night, because that's the official story.
Speaker 2: He drives up to Hammond from New Orleans and stays there,
Speaker 2: and so we know that's what happened.
Speaker 1: The other Yeah, one way or the other. Hammond factors
Speaker 1: in and so so the official story is that, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm in New Orleans, but now I gotta get I
Speaker 1: just came home, but now I gotta leave again, and
Speaker 1: I go to Hammond.
Speaker 2: Right, I don't think he never went He never went
Speaker 2: to New Orleans. He stayed in Hammond because it was
Speaker 2: Sergei Arcachi who was with the kids on the trip,
Speaker 2: and so they go back, serge ar Kotta drops the
Speaker 2: kids off, and then Serger Arcotta, I don't think he
Speaker 2: was he living in Houston or Dallas at the time.
Speaker 2: He probably drops them off and then goes back to
Speaker 2: wherever he was.
Speaker 1: Houston does sound familiar. Houston does sound familiar at that
Speaker 1: for him that time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or what he probably did was because he was
Speaker 2: driving David Faerry's Mercury Comet. He probably drove the kids
Speaker 2: back to the place, parked the Mercury Comet in front
Speaker 2: of the house, and then found another way back. And
Speaker 2: then David Ferry went and returned his Ford Falcon station wagon,
Speaker 2: goes home, and then you got the Ford the Mercury
Speaker 2: Commet waiting for him. So that's kind of the series
Speaker 2: of events that I see happening there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well, the other thing I want to mention
Speaker 1: too is this this visual of this guy who claims
Speaker 1: to be a psychologist and that hey, you can just
Speaker 1: do you ever live in the door. No, this idea like, hey,
Speaker 1: I got a buddy coming, that's common, right, It's a weekend.
Speaker 1: It's like he's gonna be here. Okay, you know, my
Speaker 1: roommate's got a guy coming. That's fine. Uh. The fact
Speaker 1: that he's sleeping with his clothes on, with that hat on, uh,
Speaker 1: it just fits more rationale than standing over a bed
Speaker 1: at five point thirty in the morning talking about my
Speaker 1: you know, they've taken my things, which doesn't even corroborate
Speaker 1: the time frame anyway. So there's some honesty here. And
Speaker 1: I'm not just trying to let you know, back you
Speaker 1: up on this. I'm just saying, just a story, there's
Speaker 1: more honesty in the story. It feels more real.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And why would David Ferry be wearing all his
Speaker 2: clothes because he just chilled the presidence and drove six
Speaker 2: or eight hours. He's just, oh my god, exhausted, you know,
Speaker 2: and he just got to the bed and probably collapsed,
Speaker 2: like his whole body just collapsed on it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So all of this makes perfect sense to me. The
Speaker 2: contradiction in the story with Thomas Compton totally debunked by
Speaker 2: Frank Jelona. I mean, this guy is a hero. To me,
Speaker 2: I wish I had a picture of this guy. I'd
Speaker 2: put it on my wall. You know, zero information on
Speaker 2: mister Scholona other than the statement wow. So but to me,
Speaker 2: I can't. I've gone through hundreds of thousands of pages
Speaker 2: of documents. Nothing compares to this piece of paper. With
Speaker 2: the exception of like Kerry Thornley's fifty page aff of
Speaker 2: David and the one document of on David Ferry. I'm
Speaker 2: looking for that I haven't come across yet. Where Basically,
Speaker 2: I got a bunch of kids in a cart. They
Speaker 2: stop at a gas station and they're talking to this
Speaker 2: guy about how Dave's gonna kill Kennedy. I mean, it
Speaker 2: was pretty wild.
Speaker 1: I've listened or the second it's.
Speaker 2: It's in one of them. It's in one of the
Speaker 2: two David Ferry. There's two David Ferry files. One about
Speaker 2: four hundred fifty pages, the other one is about three
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty pages.
Speaker 3: It's in there somewhere.
Speaker 2: These kids, all these guys stop at the gas station
Speaker 2: and they tell the clerk at the gas station Kenny's
Speaker 2: Kennedy's coming to town. But we got this guy, Dave
Speaker 2: for the rifle, who's going to take care of it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what great document. Great document. It's in there somewhere.
Speaker 2: I gotta find it, all right, So this is David
Speaker 2: Fairy's actual timeline, ferries in Fort Worth on November twenty
Speaker 2: at sixty three. As for Jack Martin, Jack mart because
Speaker 2: there's some definite obfuscation over the real man's identity. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you've read Coup in Dallas yet by Alborella. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he talks about you know, Lafitte was in New Orleans
Speaker 2: at this time, and Lafitte was a tactical mastermind, and
Speaker 2: Jack Martin was an alcoholic, you know, back Alley abortion
Speaker 2: guy who was never in the military, who'd had no
Speaker 2: tactical training. But some of the statements made by Jack
Speaker 2: Martin allegedly were extremely highly tactical in nature, far outside
Speaker 2: the realm of what Edward Suggs would have ever known.
Speaker 2: And so there is a big I think Alberelli puts
Speaker 2: some very good emphasis on the possibility that we need
Speaker 2: to really do some work into the true identity of
Speaker 2: Jack Martin, because he believes that Lafitte was using Jack
Speaker 2: Martin's identity at some point in time, that it's.
Speaker 1: Jack Lemon by the way in Oliver Stones movie right.
Speaker 2: So then ferries in Dallas eleven twenty two sixty three,
Speaker 2: where he is one of two shooters in the area
Speaker 2: of the knoll. He is one of the two shooters
Speaker 2: tip It along with Kerry Thornley. He then flees and
Speaker 2: hides out in Hammond, Louisiana the night of the twenty
Speaker 2: second As per the Garrison memo, Ferry chilonis he's Ferry
Speaker 2: sleeping on Saturday, November twenty third, sixty three in the
Speaker 2: afternoon or evening in Hammon, Louisiana, and this confirms Ferry
Speaker 2: never went to the Winterland. If he's seeing him in
Speaker 2: the bed on Saturday, he's not at the Winterland. It's Arcota.
Speaker 2: So he goes to the Driftwood motel and he checks
Speaker 2: in at eleven pm. Thomas Compton then puts Fairy and
Speaker 2: Hammond at five thirty am Sunday eleven twenty four till
Speaker 2: eight thirty am. See this is where Thomas Compton screwed up,
Speaker 2: because if David Ferry drives down to Galveston, checks into
Speaker 2: the Driftwood at eleven o'clock and then drives immediately back
Speaker 2: to Hammond, he would show up about five thirty in
Speaker 2: the morning Sunday, which is what I think happened. He
Speaker 2: got back to Thomas Compton's plays five thirty Sunday, but
Speaker 2: the events that Thomas Compton relayed wouldn't happen till the
Speaker 2: next day, and so therefore he kind of smushed his
Speaker 2: two stories together.
Speaker 1: You have Faery leaving that dorm room in Hammond, simply
Speaker 1: driving down to Galveston. Yes, check a check into the Driftwood.
Speaker 1: But hey, I'm here, I'm you know, Davari, I'm here
Speaker 1: to check in right at the desk. And then he
Speaker 1: gets get into his car and leaves. Yes, another vehicle.
Speaker 2: No, he's probably still in the He's still in the
Speaker 2: Ford Falcon station wagon at this time. And why did
Speaker 2: he do that instead of just letting the guys check
Speaker 2: into the motel. Well, he probably had to meet with
Speaker 2: them for some reason. There's probably some other factor that
Speaker 2: I'm unaware of that he needed. He probably needed to
Speaker 2: go down. Yeah, it might have been money, it might
Speaker 2: have been something they needed, you know, whatever it was,
Speaker 2: he probably had to meet with them down there. Jack
Speaker 2: Ruby should be in Galveston at the same time, right Saturday,
Speaker 2: and so maybe he's meeting with Jack Ruby. All these
Speaker 2: guys know each other. I mean, it's not like they
Speaker 2: don't know each other, and so who knows.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: And this is probably where all this stuff with Monte
Speaker 2: de Monte comes in, where something went on down there.
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened, but something went on down there.
Speaker 2: It probably did happen. That's Saturday night, the twenty third.
Speaker 2: But then yeah, David Fairy checks in the motel and
Speaker 2: then drives back to Hammond, where he probably shows up
Speaker 2: around this five point thirty in the morning on Sunday,
Speaker 2: which is about the time that Thomas Compton states. But
Speaker 2: none of the events that Thomas Compton relaid about they
Speaker 2: take some of my things, none of that happens for another,
Speaker 2: you know, like twenty hours. So he obviously mixed up
Speaker 2: his story there. And then Chilona puts Fairry and Hammond
Speaker 2: on eleven twenty five in the morning during Kennedy's funeral,
Speaker 2: and then Fairies in New Orleans where he meets with
Speaker 2: Garrison on the twenty fifth that afternoon. I still will
Speaker 2: never be It always blows me away how quickly they
Speaker 2: almost had this whole thing wrapped up like on Monday,
Speaker 2: by having David Faerry in Garrison's office. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: how close they were all thanks to Jack Martin being
Speaker 2: a drunk rat.
Speaker 1: And Garrison, as we know, doesn't buy the story from
Speaker 1: the outset, right, remember right, Yeah, he finds it completely
Speaker 1: ridiculous's mind blowing. And I wonder if this is where
Speaker 1: a lot of people shut down, because we're not even
Speaker 1: talking about Fairy actually what his actions actually are. In
Speaker 1: the afternoon on the twenty second in the Knoll and
Speaker 1: in o'cliff, we're talking about this official story that we've
Speaker 1: been told, and I think I think you folks are
Speaker 1: struggling to accept it. It's just because it's it's been
Speaker 1: so ingrained Corey as the ice skating rink and everything
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, so you might have to give people
Speaker 1: a rote there to kind of to give them time
Speaker 1: to come around. Maybe another sixty years or so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, another sixty years is about right, you know? So
Speaker 2: what's next? All right? So this I threw this in here.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to read the whole thing. This is
Speaker 2: the Clara Flornoy Gay statement. This was just to give
Speaker 2: some backup to the idea that Ferry was involved.
Speaker 3: Missus.
Speaker 2: Gay goes to Gill's office and she sees that they
Speaker 2: were cleaning out Fairy's desk. She's obviously dealing with Alice Guidros,
Speaker 2: who's a total lying bitch. Also just the secretary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who backs up the idea that Ferry was in court.
Speaker 2: I think correct, right, So the Clara Flornoy Gay goes
Speaker 2: to Gill's office and she sees it. There's like a
Speaker 2: piece of paper with a chart and it said it
Speaker 2: had the word Elm written on it and appeared to
Speaker 2: be a street and there was a building on the
Speaker 2: street with a square letter and with letters of v
Speaker 2: P written in the square. So she's saying, I'm taking
Speaker 2: this at the FBI and CLARIF and Gidros is like no.
Speaker 2: When she grabs it out of her hand and throws
Speaker 2: it in the trash, it's I think it's a I
Speaker 2: think it's a very valid story. And this is reported
Speaker 2: to the local police.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. I mean, has or anyone tried to
Speaker 1: brush off why that that she was lying and that
Speaker 1: this story was made up, that this that she's I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm a witness. That's that's kind of that's damning.
Speaker 2: If it's true, right, And also why was she using
Speaker 2: g ra Gill? He's a mob lawyer, And who the
Speaker 2: hell is this Clara Kloronoy Gay and why was she
Speaker 2: using a mob lawyer for whatever she was using?
Speaker 3: So who knows that?
Speaker 2: You know, I just don't buy that he had any
Speaker 2: legitimate work, all right, So let's talk about the Knoll
Speaker 2: and what I've concluded happened. And I'm open to altering
Speaker 2: my p active on this if someone can bring me
Speaker 2: some evidence, if someone can bring me some Like the
Speaker 2: statements of Ed Hoffman, which we'll get to here in
Speaker 2: a moment, they're kind of ambiguous in regards to the
Speaker 2: direction the shooter was facing here, because you got to think,
Speaker 2: from where Ed Hoffman is standing, he's standing across the
Speaker 2: Stemens Freeway, so he's looking one direction. He would see
Speaker 2: a guy and he didn't see the rifle till the
Speaker 2: guy turned around. If that's only because the rifle had
Speaker 2: to in facing this direction like I have here up
Speaker 2: in the upper left corner, because if it was facing
Speaker 2: the other direction, if that would have been perpendicular to
Speaker 2: Hoffman and he would have seen the rifle the whole time.
Speaker 2: But no Ferry had to turn around, which tells me
Speaker 2: that it was pointed this direction, which is why I've
Speaker 2: drawn the conclusion that Fairy fired the shot that struck
Speaker 2: Kennedy in the throat from the front.
Speaker 1: But how far away is Hoffman roughly from where he's standing,
Speaker 1: how much two hundred feet?
Speaker 2: It's God, no, I'd say it's further than that. Let's
Speaker 2: say it's it's probably further than two hundred feet.
Speaker 1: So he's a way out, okay.
Speaker 2: Right, He fortunately what he provides. He provides a description
Speaker 2: of clothing, and the clothing is relevant, and so that's
Speaker 2: why you know, here's the thing when cop When the
Speaker 2: cops interview somebody and they provide details, and those details
Speaker 2: are relevant or significant, but the witness doesn't understand the
Speaker 2: relevance or significance of those details, then you know he's
Speaker 2: telling the truth. And so I'll give you an example.
Speaker 2: If I have a If I'm a cop and I'm
Speaker 2: investigating a string of burglaries, and every single time the
Speaker 2: guy left in a yellow Mustang, and then I go
Speaker 2: to another burglary and witness said, yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: the guy left in a yellow Mustang. It's the same guy.
Speaker 2: It's that simple. That's how cops think. That's how cops operate.
Speaker 2: It is that simple, okay. And so the very basic
Speaker 2: observations given by given by Hoffmann. He wouldn't have known
Speaker 2: the significance of the dress of David Ferry at that time,
Speaker 2: with the blue jacket in the black felt hat. He
Speaker 2: wouldn't understood the significance of that. But I do because
Speaker 2: those are the same descriptions of the man who was
Speaker 2: at the tip shooting, right, And so that's another connection.
Speaker 2: People have a hard time making the description of the
Speaker 2: man in the blue jacket by Ed Hoffman and the
Speaker 2: man in the blue jacket at the tip of shooting
Speaker 2: clearly the same guy. We know it's linked because we
Speaker 2: also have the Carl Mather's great plymouth there at both scenes.
Speaker 2: I mean, so all the evidence is so overwhelming.
Speaker 1: Now, folks who don't know about Ed Hoffman, I was
Speaker 1: suspicious about him too, because quite frankly, I mean, he
Speaker 1: was a hard guy to believe and I realized because
Speaker 1: I may be projecting because of his condition. He was deaf, mute, right,
Speaker 1: and so, and he was I don't want to say chastise,
Speaker 1: but he was pretty beaten down by the events of
Speaker 1: maybe of his story not being accepted.
Speaker 2: Well, there's other parts of his story that are weird
Speaker 2: that I can't figure out, Like he tried to tell
Speaker 2: a cop what happened, and then somebody tried to pay
Speaker 2: him money to shut up.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, there's some stuff in there that's like,
Speaker 3: what are you talking about? That's just crazy.
Speaker 2: But nonetheless, I mean, and he gave the accurate description
Speaker 2: David Ferry behind the pick offense, which we'll get to
Speaker 2: here surely. But what I've concluded thus far is that
Speaker 2: Fairy fired that first shot that struck the president in
Speaker 2: the throat. I'm willing to alter my perspective on this
Speaker 2: if I can get further clarification on the Ed Hoffman stuff,
Speaker 2: and if I can locate the damn position of Valenti
Speaker 2: also is a major factor too.
Speaker 1: So I know there's there's Hoffman, but hang on, Corey.
Speaker 1: So in order for David Ferry to shoot, that means
Speaker 1: he would have to have been pretty well versed in
Speaker 1: not only shooting someone, but do you think killing someone?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I don't have any evidence he
Speaker 2: killed anybody prior.
Speaker 3: But he Oh that's actually not true. That's not true.
Speaker 3: He told what was it?
Speaker 2: He told Cruche that when he went on that trip
Speaker 2: to Cuba where he got stabbed in the stomach and
Speaker 2: had that big scar. I think he said that he
Speaker 2: killed a bunch of people down there on that on
Speaker 2: that what was that?
Speaker 3: That was a bay of pigs?
Speaker 1: So or what?
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't bay of pigs. It was one of
Speaker 2: his missions to bust the guys out of the Cuban jail.
Speaker 2: But no, I think he had, dude, the guys that
Speaker 2: look at the people he's hanging out with, a bunch
Speaker 2: of mercenaries and stuff. I mean, come on, these guys
Speaker 2: are killers. And so when I point out the fact
Speaker 2: that these guys are already well known to us, you know,
Speaker 2: you got like Laurence Howard and Lauren Hall in the
Speaker 2: book Depository, David Ferry, these are all known names. I
Speaker 2: think people are disappointed when I talk about this stuff,
Speaker 2: because they expect it to be somebody we never heard of,
Speaker 2: like out of some weird assassination factory or some Corsican
Speaker 2: who's all spooky, right right, Like that's what people want.
Speaker 2: They want the big mystery, And they say, no, dude,
Speaker 2: is the ANSWER's been here the whole time. It's all
Speaker 2: the guys in New Orleans and then a couple mob
Speaker 2: guys thrown in for good measure, and like it's it's
Speaker 2: it's simpler than everyone thinks. Is why nobody's coming around
Speaker 2: to these same conclusions are assuming.
Speaker 1: There is a rationality to what you just said. On
Speaker 1: the other hand, when you look at something like the
Speaker 1: Day of the Jackal, you have that coition, you have
Speaker 1: that condition that in order for something this big to happen,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go to some unknown, anonymous guy, pay him
Speaker 1: a lot of money, who's going to go out into
Speaker 1: a field and he's gonna shoot a special bullet that's
Speaker 1: gonna blow up this watermelon right right, and and then
Speaker 1: he's gonna go and go up to a high high
Speaker 1: rise building. Uh, and he's gonna shoot the goal. That
Speaker 1: is kind of what we're thinking. I think. And that's
Speaker 1: why do you notice nobody ever wants to talk about
Speaker 1: the shooters?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, And I think it's a cop out.
Speaker 2: And that's why I that's why when I made a
Speaker 2: decision to do this, that's what my focus was. I
Speaker 2: was like, because no one else is even trying, So yes,
Speaker 2: I don't believe that those assassins who are mysterious, who
Speaker 2: go by the single name, who like no one you
Speaker 2: got you gotta call the Cia brothers, cousin's neighbor in
Speaker 2: order to get ahold of the guy.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think that's myth. That's total myth.
Speaker 2: When you look at the most badass hitmen for the Mob,
Speaker 2: who are you looking at? You're looking at that guys,
Speaker 2: you know, you're looking at Lenny Patrick, You're looking at
Speaker 2: like Sam Di Stefano, right, You're looking at all these
Speaker 2: guys who are like just normal schmos who learned how
Speaker 2: to shoot a gun. They none of them were grown
Speaker 2: in an assassination factory. You know, it's not such a
Speaker 2: such a I don't think so. Well, I you know,
Speaker 2: the closest thing that you're gonna find are when they
Speaker 2: go down to like No Name key and train it
Speaker 2: no name Key. That's an assassination factory, if you ask me,
Speaker 2: and I actually believe that I have. I have some
Speaker 2: suspicion that VOLENTI went down there, met with Lafitte and
Speaker 2: trained at No Name Key.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I have some documents in ZR Rifle that to me
Speaker 2: indicate that even though I'm speculating to some degree. Okay,
Speaker 2: but yeah, that's the assassination factory stuff. We've already known
Speaker 2: the CIA trains guys to kill people down in the keys.
Speaker 2: That's the assassination factory. It doesn't have to be some
Speaker 2: weird you know. There ain't nothing like it. It ain't There
Speaker 2: ain't no John Wicks out there. Okay, that's another example.
Speaker 1: By the way, Uh, Jason Bourne type, you know this
Speaker 1: Jack Ryan type. You know that we've been fed in
Speaker 1: these heroes of intelligence. But real quick, a little background
Speaker 1: before it. I'm very his father being a police captain
Speaker 1: in Cleveland Police one of the most notorious at the time,
Speaker 1: one of the most populous cities in the United States,
Speaker 1: also one of the most notorious in terms of the
Speaker 1: mafia and the mob. And Fairy's boss this is mister Ferry.
Speaker 1: The father his boss for a few years before Ferry
Speaker 1: retired was Elliott Ness, who came from Chicago to run
Speaker 1: Cleveland's Public Safety District division. And I will say, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna throw this out there, folks, if you don't
Speaker 1: know anything about the Torso murders of Cleveland, those were
Speaker 1: going on at the same time unsolved.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I'm gonna have to ask you about that
Speaker 2: after because I'm not familiar with this and it piqued
Speaker 2: my interest. Yeah, so we're gonna have to have a
Speaker 2: conversation about that.
Speaker 1: That sounds killer.
Speaker 3: More on's all mysteries. I love it. So this is
Speaker 3: at Hoffman, the guy in the middle.
Speaker 2: Note of like the description of the man standing to
Speaker 2: his his right, but it's our left with the black hat,
Speaker 2: with the wide felt man and the dark suit. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's very important.
Speaker 1: Looks like somebody we know.
Speaker 3: Yes, it sure does. And so yeah, Ed Hoffman is
Speaker 3: way over here, right, So.
Speaker 1: That's that's pretty far, I mean, okay, so that's a
Speaker 1: good that's a great great talk visual here of where
Speaker 1: Ed Hoffen he pulls off to the side of the
Speaker 1: freeway as because he sees the motorcade right.
Speaker 2: Well, this is the railroad tracks and so he's one over.
Speaker 2: He's a little more over where the cars are, so
Speaker 2: he's even further out, so it's probably like a football field.
Speaker 2: But the only thing relevant that he really has to
Speaker 2: see is this the general height of the guy and.
Speaker 3: What he's wearing. What he's wearing is everything.
Speaker 2: So basically he sees David Ferry right here from there
Speaker 2: from when I calculate David Ferry, well, then, just like
Speaker 2: Ed Hoffman says, he will walk off casually towards the
Speaker 2: railroad yards, but he stops at the pergola. I believe
Speaker 2: he stops at the pergola. And his photographed right here.
Speaker 2: Notice the hat and the jacket, and let me scroll
Speaker 2: right back up to like Ed Hoffman's description, the hat
Speaker 2: and the jacket. I mean, it's like there's nobody else
Speaker 2: who looking like that and in the area. Okay, so
Speaker 2: and this picture again, this picture has been out for
Speaker 2: fifty sixty years. To me, that's pretty obviously David Ferry
Speaker 2: is up there. Even you see the back flap of
Speaker 2: the hack going up a little just like no, but.
Speaker 1: I just gonta say, I just love though that he's
Speaker 1: talking to those women, you know, like I we mentioned before,
Speaker 1: I can you know what happened? I don't know. There's
Speaker 1: something may have happened back here.
Speaker 3: At the right right.
Speaker 2: So here's David Fairry again clearly in the back of
Speaker 2: the railroad yards walking through. And see if I have
Speaker 2: the comparison photo, and this is the comparison photo here.
Speaker 2: I mean, to me, it doesn't get much more slam
Speaker 2: dunk than this. David Fairry was a broke guy. He
Speaker 2: only had one suit that's referenced in the Brochars file.
Speaker 2: I'm confident he's The picture on the left is a
Speaker 2: known picture of David Firry. I'm pretty confident he's wearing
Speaker 2: the same clothes in that picture on the right. And
Speaker 2: once again, this picture has been out for sixty years,
Speaker 2: sixty si zero.
Speaker 1: So what point, what point does that happen? One point
Speaker 1: is is people have already charged the knoll to kind
Speaker 1: of see what's going on, and is that the picture
Speaker 1: up up above or where that fellow is walking away?
Speaker 1: Is that kind of like moments like where.
Speaker 2: Are this one here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So okay, So the series of events as I see it,
Speaker 2: is he he walks off casually, just like Ed Hoffman
Speaker 2: says after throwing the rifle to the railroad man.
Speaker 3: He then walks up to here to the pergoli.
Speaker 2: He's just casual. And then from here he will then
Speaker 2: cut back here in the railroad yards. This is like
Speaker 2: the sequence of events, and then from here he will
Speaker 2: do I have I don't think I have the Velma
Speaker 2: stuff in here, but from here he will go and
Speaker 2: sit in the gray plymouth behind the Texas School Book
Speaker 2: Depository where Velma the callar on Coast to Coast says,
Speaker 2: you know, he had the suit on and the real
Speaker 2: heavy eyebrows and the gray plymouth and gave me a
Speaker 2: real mean look.
Speaker 1: You know. Okay, is this so? Is this? Where is
Speaker 1: this the lee? Can Lee Bauer see this parking lot
Speaker 1: that he you're we're seeing right here? Is this the
Speaker 1: behind the fence?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay? And then could you go up to that map
Speaker 1: of Dueling Plaza real quick where we saw at Hoffman's position.
Speaker 1: And then so the Velma, Velma's back over here where
Speaker 1: the arrow, the red arrow is.
Speaker 2: Velma should be right here behind the book depository, like
Speaker 2: can you see my cursor? Yeah, it should be here.
Speaker 2: Right over here is where she was parked. So David
Speaker 2: Ferry fires the shot, tosses the rifle to I believe
Speaker 2: it's Andrew Jerome Blackman. I'm willing to re examine that too.
Speaker 2: It's only it's one of two people. It's black Men
Speaker 2: or Lewellyn, but I don't think it's Llewellyn. Llewellyn is
Speaker 2: a tall guy, and I just have to get confirmation
Speaker 2: on Blackman's hype. But I'm pretty sure it's black men
Speaker 2: because it corresponds with his trip in in the port
Speaker 2: and leaving on Monday and all that stuff. So but
Speaker 2: David Ferry will then walk from here over to that
Speaker 2: pergola where he was seen. He's obviously they're not not
Speaker 2: there too long. And then we'll walk right and then
Speaker 2: he will walk back into the railroad yards and he's
Speaker 2: probably photographed right about here. Okay, this is probably right
Speaker 2: about where that photograph happens. And then he'll walk continued
Speaker 2: back behind the Texas school Book Depository where he gets
Speaker 2: into that great plymouth where he's then seen by Velma.
Speaker 1: Okay, right now, now real quick, Corey, because from if
Speaker 1: you can go back to that map. Sorry, I just well,
Speaker 1: while I have you here now at the corner mayor
Speaker 1: of elm in Houston, you know we have done that
Speaker 1: work on the laundry the living supply truck which we
Speaker 1: think may have made a right and was onto Houston.
Speaker 1: Now that was under construction or closed off, but uh,
Speaker 1: he may it may have been let go by the officers.
Speaker 1: So there's been some did anyway, is there a witness
Speaker 1: seeing movement out of the Depository. Uh, while Velma is
Speaker 1: sitting there because there's all things going on, right, This
Speaker 1: is moments right after the shooting.
Speaker 2: Right right, So the moment's in the right after the shooting.
Speaker 2: If you want to talk about witnesses from I don't
Speaker 2: have any witnesses from the book Depository who claim to
Speaker 2: see any of this stuff. What I do have is
Speaker 2: a witness from the dal Text building. But that's connected
Speaker 2: to the Larry Floor stuff, which we'll cover another time.
Speaker 2: Many people believe Larry Floor is actually Ted Shackley, which
Speaker 2: I am leaning in that direction as well. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so David Ferry, he then walks back here. He's seen
Speaker 2: in the in the in the vehicle by Velma. And
Speaker 2: this is how Also we know that Tippet was here
Speaker 2: because Velma saw Tippet. And we also have the photograph
Speaker 2: of Tippet on Houston Street from the Robert Hughes film
Speaker 2: The tip It is here right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: Tippet was standing like right here on the street. You
Speaker 2: got the costume people all lined up next to him,
Speaker 2: Miltier across the street.
Speaker 3: Miltier across the street probably by the way, if you.
Speaker 1: Look at that across the if you look at if
Speaker 1: you can pull the costumed uh, and you compare the
Speaker 1: what is that the west maybe? Uh?
Speaker 3: This is west?
Speaker 1: This is easy west side of Houston. Right, this is
Speaker 1: the picture, the very clear picture we see on the
Speaker 1: on the east side of Houston, very normal looking folks
Speaker 1: on that on where the shadow is across the street.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a couple of people who I'm questioning because
Speaker 2: there's a couple of people who I can it looks
Speaker 2: to me like they're wearing Greco Roman style robes. There's
Speaker 2: one of them. There's one on Houston Street, there's one
Speaker 2: on Elm Street, and I think that there's one or
Speaker 2: two on across across Houston on this shadowy side. But
Speaker 2: the pictures are never really that good. So I'd really
Speaker 2: like to something. I'd like to reevaluate.
Speaker 1: Okay, by the way, if you but then you got
Speaker 1: all them good. Anything he's saying is crazy. This is
Speaker 1: the center of Dallas Masonic kind of roofs in Dallas.
Speaker 1: By the way, So the this was this was a
Speaker 1: cultic from the beginning. Folks. Okay, this isn't nut. This
Speaker 1: isn't nuts of stuff. I mean, it.
Speaker 2: Took me, it took me years to even acknowledge the
Speaker 2: possibility of the occult stuff. But once you see it,
Speaker 2: you can never unsee it. And once you see it,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, we're run by a bunch
Speaker 2: of lunatics.
Speaker 1: How many the placement of folks along the a long
Speaker 1: elm uh, how many of those are actors? Do you think?
Speaker 1: How many of those are actual office people who are
Speaker 1: just kind of there there. They seem very subdued.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're all wearing like very nice clothing. If
Speaker 2: you look and notice a lot of them are wearing
Speaker 2: very nice black clothes, like very formal.
Speaker 1: It's gonna say, like like church, sure, almost funeral type.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, all right, I'm convinced that most people, I'm
Speaker 2: convinced most of the people who are actually in daily
Speaker 2: Plaza itself, with the exceptions of the ones who we've identified,
Speaker 2: know are employees of the area. I think the vast
Speaker 2: majority of people in Daily Plaza knew about it, were
Speaker 2: there because they were funneled there.
Speaker 3: To witness it. And yeah, I don't because we don't.
Speaker 2: We haven't identified seventy five percent of the people in
Speaker 2: the pictures in Daily Plaza. Seventy five percent at least
Speaker 2: we look at the picture, but don't have no idea
Speaker 2: who they are, right, and they've never come forward said hey,
Speaker 2: I was there.
Speaker 3: You'd think they would. They have enough for all these years,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: I'd be interested to know how many people and now,
Speaker 1: according to the Rabbi Silvermen, there was a large number
Speaker 1: of people who attended the memorial service that night to
Speaker 1: cheer at Israel. I'd be curious. I don't know if
Speaker 1: anyone has really talked about that. I had never really
Speaker 1: seen many people come out and talk about that service.
Speaker 1: I'd be curious who they were and how many witnessed
Speaker 1: what they saw there? Who went over there.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's scenario I definitely need. I'm definitely I mean,
Speaker 2: these connections from Jack Ruby to his to the greater
Speaker 2: Israeli scheme, I would think are very They're very important.
Speaker 2: They needed further investigation for sure. All Right, So let
Speaker 2: me scroll past this stuff.
Speaker 1: David Fair.
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty clear his day, that's David Fairy.
Speaker 2: He lied about his whole trip. He's clearly I mean,
Speaker 2: the description based on Ed Hoffman and the I mean,
Speaker 2: the hat is virtually identical. He nailed the description there.
Speaker 2: It's to me, I don't know, it's it's obvious his
Speaker 2: days him, Plus he got Leyton Martin's and Alvin Boboof
Speaker 2: right there in daey Plaza. I kind of gave up
Speaker 2: on facial recognition because it's hit or miss, you know, uh,
Speaker 2: But it's clearly his guys standing there. And the one
Speaker 2: thing that really kind of bugs me is like the
Speaker 2: statement that Buell Fraser gave about Oswald driving him to
Speaker 2: work that day. He said that Oswald was wearing a
Speaker 2: gray more or less flannel wool type coat. Well, I
Speaker 2: think you're staring at the only gray more or less
Speaker 2: flannel wool type coat and the whole story. Alvin Boboof
Speaker 2: is wearing a gray more or less flannel wolf coat.
Speaker 2: It's even the same. Look at the you can see
Speaker 2: the curve here and see how the collar starts to
Speaker 2: curve like it folds in on itself. And then you
Speaker 2: can see that clearly in the in the arrest photo, right,
Speaker 2: you can see how it folds in on itself here
Speaker 2: in the arrest photo, same thing it does right here.
Speaker 3: So I'm convinced this is album.
Speaker 2: This is definitely Alvin Bobuf and Layton Martin's and this
Speaker 2: is the proof that Melvin Coffee never went on the
Speaker 2: damn trip. I mean, look at the way the hair
Speaker 2: is flowing too.
Speaker 1: It's the same.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's clearly them. I even sent this to
Speaker 2: my cop friend and was like, oh yeah. They took
Speaker 2: about two seconds and looked at it, go yeah, that's them.
Speaker 2: So I was like, yeah, of course it is. So
Speaker 2: his guys are there too, and Velma.
Speaker 1: Before we get into Velma though, uh oh.
Speaker 3: We skipped Velma. We can get right to the winter Land.
Speaker 3: Is the next stuff?
Speaker 1: Real quick? On facial recognition, Corey, is that you mentioned
Speaker 1: that quite often? I mean, is that a common investigative
Speaker 1: tactic or is that your No?
Speaker 2: No, I just did it because we have the technology
Speaker 2: available to us today. But the problem is, like I've
Speaker 2: run multiple pictures of Jack Valenti, who I know are
Speaker 2: all the same person, and I've had facial facial recognition
Speaker 2: tell me some of them are not the same person,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, that's just wrong. Right, So, facial wrecking
Speaker 2: doesn't get it right all the time, it really doesn't,
Speaker 2: but it can get it close. It can tell you
Speaker 2: like here we got an eighty four percent match based
Speaker 2: on profile to a regular photo.
Speaker 3: Right, So I mean, yeah, the to me, it's good.
Speaker 3: It's a good tool.
Speaker 2: But it's not like it got ted Shackley and Larry
Speaker 2: Floor at a seventy seven percent match. So it gave
Speaker 2: it a positive match at seventy seven percent. Does that
Speaker 2: mean it's him?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: So it's never as conclusive as you think it is.
Speaker 2: You're still with me, Yeah, let's move on to to
Speaker 2: this all right. So now we're at the Winterland Ice
Speaker 2: Skating Rink and the Winterland Ice Arena, Houston, Texas. This
Speaker 2: is I have a whole slew of Americana from the Winterland.
Speaker 2: I would love to get my hands on an actual
Speaker 2: physical patch like this. I'll pay top dollar if anyone
Speaker 2: out there can find one.
Speaker 1: Why do you.
Speaker 2: Because it's owning a piece of history, I mean a
Speaker 2: very important piece of history that no one else even understands.
Speaker 2: Irrelevance of that, to me is the best stuff in
Speaker 2: the world. Stuff that's uber important that no one else understands,
Speaker 2: the relevance of. Like I have a picture, okay, So
Speaker 2: I have a copy of Jack Valenti's first book, signed
Speaker 2: to Frank and Bethany Church. Though to me, that's the
Speaker 2: most significant it's the most significant autograph in history because
Speaker 2: it's the guy yep, because the guy who did the
Speaker 2: first Church committee. He was the guy looking for the
Speaker 2: Grassy nul shooter. And I have a book signed to
Speaker 2: him by the Grassy neal Shooter. It's the most priceless
Speaker 2: book in history, if you asked me, worth millions. If
Speaker 2: nobody understands ther relevance except me, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So it's like fuck, you know, it's like having a
Speaker 2: pot of gold and nobody knows is worth anything more.
Speaker 2: Pictures of the Winterland. It looks like, you know, your
Speaker 2: typical kind of skate rink. You know, I grew up
Speaker 2: going to the what was the Stardust skate rink when
Speaker 2: I grew up in Sarasota, Florida, and I practically lived
Speaker 2: at the Stardust skating rink. So before the Internet, people
Speaker 2: actually did things like this. Oh my, all right, yes,
Speaker 2: So here we got Richard Rowland, allegedly the son of
Speaker 2: Chuck Rowland. We'll get to him here momentarily. His name
Speaker 2: is Roland, Chuck Roland. This is a winterland? Where does
Speaker 2: it say it here? I got one of these here
Speaker 2: that says Houston's only skating. Yeah, so what what what
Speaker 2: Bailey are you talking about? Okay, what belly are you
Speaker 2: talking about? There was only one arena going on at
Speaker 2: this time, and it was the Winterland because I believe
Speaker 2: the Gateway was actually I will get to the Gateway
Speaker 2: here in a second, but it was a roller skating rink.
Speaker 2: So Ferry meets with Roland Chuck Rowland at the Winterland. Okay,
Speaker 2: rolland Chuck Rowland. That's the name on his stuff. But
Speaker 2: his name is not Roland Chuck Rowland. It's Rulan Chuck Rowland.
Speaker 2: He was a famous ice skater. He's half Korean. There
Speaker 2: was some there's some bad information on him. I read
Speaker 2: that he was French Canadian, but that's not true. He
Speaker 2: was born in Cleveland. If I'm not mistaken, you're kidding me,
Speaker 2: or no he was.
Speaker 3: He was born in Iowa.
Speaker 2: Sorry, he was born in iow If he was from
Speaker 2: Cleveland too, that would have been crazy. But his name
Speaker 2: is Ruland Chuck Rowland. His name is not Roland Chuck Rolling.
Speaker 2: Why they plain devils advocated?
Speaker 1: Do you think in When he gave his name, he
Speaker 1: gave it as Ruland and it was typed up as Rowland,
Speaker 1: and so we're reading it as Roland Rowland.
Speaker 2: When you give a deposition, you have to provide identification.
Speaker 2: I mean they have they know, they have to know
Speaker 2: who they're talking to. Every time I know, I've been deposed.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they knew it. They lied, They lied to
Speaker 2: cover it up. Why did they lie to cover it up? Well,
Speaker 2: maybe we can explain that as we move forward. Rulan
Speaker 2: worked with the skating Shrams. They were famous. I guess
Speaker 2: at one point in time I never heard of him.
Speaker 2: But he just goes to show he had a long
Speaker 2: history of working in in professional ice skating. I went
Speaker 2: overboard and kind of pulled a whole bunch of stuff.
Speaker 2: I pulled his birth records and census records and all
Speaker 2: this sudd who was from Utah, Idaho and then utah
Speaker 2: on Iowai. Sorry, so that's where he's from. And then
Speaker 2: what clay show testimony? How long you've been in the business.
Speaker 2: He's like, this is in sixty three or sixty four
Speaker 2: or no, this is sixty nine, right, So he's like,
Speaker 2: I've been connected with ice rinks in the ice business
Speaker 2: since nineteen forty six.
Speaker 3: Are you a professional skater? He says yes, sir, I am.
Speaker 2: But when I go and look through the Houston directory,
Speaker 2: I found he was working for some company called Electrotechnical
Speaker 2: Laboratories and then he was the manager of Doghouse Packaging Company.
Speaker 2: So how does that got to do anything? We're ice
Speaker 2: skating rinks. You know what's going on here?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Nicol, Yeah, that's the key to something.
Speaker 1: I love how Schlumberger's right there too, Slumbridge in ye
Speaker 1: right here does Ferdinand.
Speaker 2: J Oh, that's hilarious. That's hilarious.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh my god. Hold a second, what
Speaker 3: the hell is this? I'm sorry, I'm just noticing this.
Speaker 1: Firstland, Look at that island. Look at it?
Speaker 2: Rowland see also Roland and Roland, row L A and
Speaker 2: D so that's in the directory. And then it's got
Speaker 2: Rulan married to Joyce. What is going on here? Why
Speaker 2: is he listed with two different names in the directory
Speaker 2: in fifty eight? This is wild And I can't believe
Speaker 2: I'm just now noticing this. And what is the connection
Speaker 2: between Chuck Roland and Schlumberjay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what fka?
Speaker 2: All right? This this needs some follow up and I
Speaker 2: can't believe I didn't catch this the first time around.
Speaker 3: But this is wild.
Speaker 2: Ferdinand J. Roland works for Schlumberge. We got to find
Speaker 2: the relationship between Ferdinand and Chuck Roland here. So in
Speaker 2: eighty three he divorces Chuck eighty three divorce Rulan Roland.
Speaker 2: He divorces Joyce Roland. Who's Joyce Roland's his wife? Twenty
Speaker 2: eighteen obituary. He died in twenty eighteen, which you know,
Speaker 2: so many people died after I started my research as crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, so let's get to the Mary Boots Roberts
Speaker 2: and Ronnie Roberts. This is where things get a little wild.
Speaker 2: Mary Boots Roberts and Ronni Roberts again, famous ice skaters,
Speaker 2: going all the way back to forty six, twenty years
Speaker 2: before the assassination. And this is the obituary for Mary
Speaker 2: Boots Roberts White. Must have come in the late eighties
Speaker 2: or nineties. She must have married again, because I can't
Speaker 2: find any reference to her marrying. Somebody named White doesn't
Speaker 2: appear anywhere. Just how it is, I guess, but it
Speaker 2: says here. Mary Boots Roberts White passed away Saturday the
Speaker 2: twenty ninth November. Beloved mother, grandmother and great grandmother and friend.
Speaker 2: She accomplished much in her life, became a professional ice
Speaker 2: skater and worked for NASA during the Apollo and Gemini missions.
Speaker 2: You know what, No she didn't, No, she didn't. I
Speaker 2: spent hours and hours and hours digging for any reference
Speaker 2: to a Mary Boots Roberts White connected to NASA, and
Speaker 2: it doesn't exist. The only place this exists is here
Speaker 2: in this obituary, which tells me she's a spook because
Speaker 2: just like all the other guys who went to work
Speaker 2: for NASA and Michaud and all this stuff from the
Speaker 2: coffee company, right, it's the same thing. These are fronts.
Speaker 2: These are fronts. She's preceded in death by her parents
Speaker 2: Joe and Corene. Call to Geron, and her brother Joe
Speaker 2: call to Geron Junior. Very very important. We'll get to
Speaker 2: that here momentarily. And this is the weird thing. She
Speaker 2: got a whole bunch of kids under the name Roberts, George, Robert, Roland,
Speaker 2: George Roberts, another Land, another Roland. It is very strange, right,
Speaker 2: so very very strange. But she has a first cousin
Speaker 2: named Vincent Calter Geron Junior. And how I kind of
Speaker 2: figured this out was because like, I took a break
Speaker 2: from studying the assassination to study some Jack Valenti for
Speaker 2: a while, and then I come across the name Calter Groone.
Speaker 2: Then when I go back to my studies, I'm like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, cal to Girone, Wait a minute. I
Speaker 2: got call to Garan's at the ice skating rink, and
Speaker 2: I got calt To Groans connected to Jack BLENTI. What's
Speaker 2: going on here right? So that I find this Vincent
Speaker 2: Caldigron Junior. After graduating Saint Thomas High School in forty three,
Speaker 2: Vincent attended Texas A and M University, followed by an
Speaker 2: enlistment in the US Navy Naval Intelligence. Upon discharge, he
Speaker 2: received his bachelor's degree from the University of Houston, followed
Speaker 2: by thirty five years in the insurance business. That's a
Speaker 2: total lie. Vincent was a board member of the National
Speaker 2: YMCA Scuba Program Okay. One of Vincent's recreational diversions was
Speaker 2: teaching scuba at the Houston Downtown YMCA. Vincent was a
Speaker 2: member of the Saint Vincent de Paul Catholic Church, as
Speaker 2: well as the Sacred Heart Society of Little York. The
Speaker 2: most important stuff in this, but all that was very important.
Speaker 2: But the most important stuff here is the fact that
Speaker 2: he was survived by his wife of fifty years, ROBERTA
Speaker 2: Bobby called to Gerone. And that's not the mother of
Speaker 2: his children though. The mother of his children is someone else.
Speaker 2: So his children are Tom Calter Gerone and wife Lou
Speaker 2: called the Groan, and they have a son named Jack
Speaker 2: Calter Gerone. Okay, very very important stuff here, all right.
Speaker 2: So then let me see then, as I'm like I said,
Speaker 2: I was studying Jack Valenti and you got a question.
Speaker 1: Yes I do. I just go back up to that lady.
Speaker 1: That lady here now she was born called to Garne, correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was born Mary called to Gerone.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: Okay, And and why do you just remind us why
Speaker 1: are we talking about her again?
Speaker 2: We're talking about her because this is the woman that
Speaker 2: founded the Winterland Ice Arena with her husband. And we'll
Speaker 2: get to how it how it came about being here momentarily,
Speaker 2: but she was the founder of the Winterland Ice Rink.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: This is her cousin, Vincent Caltagerone Junior, who has a
Speaker 2: son named Tom Calter Geron and a wife named Lou
Speaker 2: cal Degerone and their grandson Jack Calter Gerone. And so
Speaker 2: the name call to Gerone. This is like one of
Speaker 2: the moments that I almost fell off the world. I
Speaker 2: was like, like I couldn't believe it, Like i've this
Speaker 2: was to me the most significant discovery in all of
Speaker 2: Kennedy research up to this date at that time, So
Speaker 2: I start, like I said, I the name Calter Gerone
Speaker 2: popped up when I studied Jack Valenti. And here's why.
Speaker 2: So Lorraine is Jack Valenti's sister. Loraine Valenti Diynerstcene is
Speaker 2: what she'll go on to be Shell marry a guy
Speaker 2: named Ted Dinerstein. Just a side note, the Dinerstein's, the
Speaker 2: Calter Garons, and the Valentes were names that all worked
Speaker 2: for Traffcante Senior in Tampa in the nineteen twenties and thirties.
Speaker 3: Wow, coincidence, I think not so.
Speaker 2: Lorraine, who's Jack Valenti's sister, was preceded death by a
Speaker 2: loving husband, Ted Dinerstein. This was like in the nineties
Speaker 2: or two thousands or something. Her brother Jack Valenti and
Speaker 2: his wife Mary Margaret Valenti and her parents. So we're
Speaker 2: talking about the same Valente's. She is survived by her
Speaker 2: son Tom cal To Gerone and his wife named Lou
Speaker 2: and her son Jack call To Gerone. And it was
Speaker 2: at this moment that I was like, holy shit, because
Speaker 2: when you go back up to Vincent Caltageron Junior, he
Speaker 2: also has a son, Tom Calter Geron and a wife
Speaker 2: named Lou with a Graam's son named Jack. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what are the odds of that? This is about a
Speaker 2: million trillion got billion to one right? So no, they
Speaker 2: were married. The cousin of the founder of the Winterland,
Speaker 2: which David Ferry used as his alibi, was married to
Speaker 2: Jack Valenti's sister. Okay, when I'm starting to realize this,
Speaker 2: my mind is exploding. So here we have from the
Speaker 2: Jack Valenti file where this is talking about a little
Speaker 2: bit of a family background and it lists some relatives.
Speaker 2: It says relatives listed as Joseph Valenti father, this is
Speaker 2: Jack Valenti's dad age sixty seven, Joseph fine To George
Speaker 2: Valenti who was a mother, yeah, age sixty one, and
Speaker 2: then Lorraine Valenti Dinerstein, aged thirty eight, all of Houston.
Speaker 2: He only had one sister, I don't know why they
Speaker 2: redacted it. It's obvious, so that was redacted. But then
Speaker 2: in the column they wrote the name Vincent and drew
Speaker 2: a line to Lorraine. Okay, so the FBI.
Speaker 1: Was well aware, can do that, Okay.
Speaker 2: FBI was well aware of Vincent Calton Grown Junior, well
Speaker 2: aware of the relationship with Jack's sister, and they redacted it.
Speaker 2: And why they redacted it, and why they would write
Speaker 2: Vincent's name in the column, I have no idea. This
Speaker 2: to me was the icing on the cake, showing that
Speaker 2: Jack Valenti's sister had actually married Vincent Calton ger Own Junior,
Speaker 2: who was the cousin of Mary Boots Roberts who founded
Speaker 2: De Winterland and the Winterland was founded just a couple
Speaker 2: of years before the Rolands took it over. This is
Speaker 2: the Lorraine valent Vincent marriage license, proving that Jack Vlndey's
Speaker 2: sister was married to Vincent called the Grown Junior. Now
Speaker 2: let me read this. This is extremely significant. This is
Speaker 2: written by Richard Roland, the guy we saw earlier in
Speaker 2: the picture with the ice skates on. Obviously many years later.
Speaker 2: This is my mom, Joyce Roland. I saw some previous
Speaker 2: posts where there were questions about who owned the Winterland
Speaker 2: ice rink. Her recollection is that the Johnson family built
Speaker 2: the building at the rink. The Johnson family, okay, the
Speaker 2: Johnson Family Enterprise was the company owned by Lyndon Johnson
Speaker 2: and his family. Most people don't know this. Lyndon Johnson
Speaker 2: was the richest president we'd ever had at the time
Speaker 2: that he was came into office. He was worth somewhere
Speaker 2: around three hundred million dollars and him and his family
Speaker 2: business owned about half a downtown Houston, including the Winterland
Speaker 2: ice skating rink, which means Lyndon Johnson was the owner
Speaker 2: of the Winterland. This is absolutely earth shattering. They owned
Speaker 2: the multi story building across the street, the front of Kirby,
Speaker 2: and other real estate throughout Houston. Their motivation was from
Speaker 2: Ronnie and Boots Roberts. Ronnie and Boots owned or managed
Speaker 2: the ice skating studio in the center where the Western
Speaker 2: Kitchen was. It was from there they talked to the
Speaker 2: Johnson's about building a full size rink. Something didn't go
Speaker 2: well with the Roberts, and my parents, Joyce and Chuck
Speaker 2: Roland became the tenants of the building and managed the rink.
Speaker 2: For many years. I have a major problem with that statement,
Speaker 2: which we'll get to here in a second. She's unclear
Speaker 2: why they gave it up. But my dad went into
Speaker 2: business called Landia of Houston. My sister Rulona and Tammy
Speaker 2: both became professional ice skaters and traveled the world with
Speaker 2: holiday on ice and ice capades. Rou Loona, who was
Speaker 2: his sister, went our World Professional Championship during that time period.
Speaker 2: Back then, if you had gone professional, you could not
Speaker 2: compete in the Olympics. I was just a hack hockey player,
Speaker 2: but I loved the rink as well as anybody. Then
Speaker 2: he lists a whole bunch of other players who were
Speaker 2: there back in the day. But the story is that
Speaker 2: the Johnson family Enterprise built owned the rink. They leased
Speaker 2: it to Mary Boots Roberts and Ronnie Roberts, and it
Speaker 2: was built at their inspiration. Okay, so we have a
Speaker 2: very tight relationship between the Johnson's, probably Lyndon Johnson directly,
Speaker 2: actually it has to be Johnson directly and Mary Boots
Speaker 2: Roberts and Ronnie Roberts. So this is the relationship chart
Speaker 2: that we have here. We have Lyndon Johnson, who's the
Speaker 2: new president right. His family business is at Johnson Family Enterprise,
Speaker 2: and he owns the Winterland. He then leases it to
Speaker 2: Mary cal To Gerone, whose brother's Joe cal To Gerone,
Speaker 2: whose first cousin is Vincent cal To Geron Junior, who
Speaker 2: was married to Loraene Valentidynerstein or divorced from, I should say,
Speaker 2: And Loreen Valenti Joynerstein is the sister of Jack Valenti,
Speaker 2: who's the right hand mand to Lyndon Johnson. This is
Speaker 2: the most absolutely incredible and unbelievable series of relationships that
Speaker 2: shouldn't exist in the entire assassination story.
Speaker 1: When did Jack Valenti become the right hand man to LBJ?
Speaker 2: Nineteen fifty six, nineteen fifty six. So here we have
Speaker 2: an obvious intimate relationship between four people, Jack Valenti, Lyndon Johnson,
Speaker 2: Mary Boots Roberts, and Vincent Calticker own Junr. These people
Speaker 2: knew each other intimately. They were family. Literally, they were
Speaker 2: literally family. It's this is shocking, and I'm the only
Speaker 2: person that's figured this part out. No one ever studied
Speaker 2: the Winterland. I don't know why, but I'll have to
Speaker 2: get well here, let me give you some credit this
Speaker 2: post here. This is what helped me put all this together.
Speaker 2: And this wasn't even available till twenty eighteen. This post
Speaker 2: was made in twenty eighteen, So nobody prior to twenty
Speaker 2: eighteen could have had any idea that Lyndon Johnson owned
Speaker 2: the Winterland because it's not anywhere else.
Speaker 1: So guy writing this post is the son of our
Speaker 1: Roland Rowland, who testifies Remyshaw Treu.
Speaker 3: Yes, correct, correct, So.
Speaker 2: All right, so we'll continue on with the story before
Speaker 2: we get to the big kicker at the end. So
Speaker 2: this is back to that original document showing that David
Speaker 2: Ferry and them stayed at whereas the Alam Motel and
Speaker 2: all this stuff, right, so they checked in the Ala
Speaker 2: Hotel and one of the phone calls made. The whole
Speaker 2: point of this part of the document is that they
Speaker 2: made one local call to an unidentified number mo O
Speaker 2: four dash three five eight one. Okay, So one thing
Speaker 2: I just want to comment on on the side note
Speaker 2: says here November twenty eight sixty three, Chuck Roland Winterland's
Speaker 2: skating rink was interviewed, at which time he stated the
Speaker 2: man introduced himself as Ferry Ferris or Ferry contacted him
Speaker 2: by telephone tells his whole story. Garrison was smart enough
Speaker 2: to know the whole story was bunk, and he wrote
Speaker 2: phony right here in the column because he knew the
Speaker 2: whole story was bs right. Garrison knew so much more
Speaker 2: than he ever said publicly. It's wild, So this is
Speaker 2: the Gateway swimming.
Speaker 1: So I was, at least personally, he was so caught
Speaker 1: up in the wsh of skation in that document. I
Speaker 1: never even paid attention to that phone number right below it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, nobody has, and it's listed as unidentified in
Speaker 2: every document and book I've ever seen. The only person
Speaker 2: that ever knew what it was was Garrison, because Garrison
Speaker 2: the number comes back to the Gateway swim and skate,
Speaker 2: which is another ice gating rink. And we'll get to
Speaker 2: the story here in a second. But Garrison knew about
Speaker 2: the Gateway, but I don't know if the rest of
Speaker 2: the references to it were destroyed. But there's no other
Speaker 2: references to the Gateway in any other Kennedy books or
Speaker 2: anything ever period. It's something doesn't exist. And I'd say
Speaker 2: the story of Houston is more about the Gateway than
Speaker 2: it is about the Alam Motel. And so the Gateway
Speaker 2: Swim and Skate. The thing that's significant about the Gateway
Speaker 2: Swim and Skate is that, let me see, do I
Speaker 2: have this yere?
Speaker 3: Weeah'll me go ahead and read this. The Gateway Pool
Speaker 3: opened in nineteen fifty nine. I was ten at the time.
Speaker 2: This is a post from a Houston Architecture forum, and
Speaker 2: they had this huge grand opening and my parents bought
Speaker 2: me a season pass. Our house backed up close to it.
Speaker 2: I would ride my bike through the vacant lot next
Speaker 2: to our house and it was just on the other
Speaker 2: side of the Alam Motel. Okay, so what do we
Speaker 2: got here? We got them staying at the Alam Motel
Speaker 2: next to the gate and we got them calling the Gateway.
Speaker 3: From the Ala Motel. That seems a whole lot more.
Speaker 2: Significant than them going to visit the Winterland, Right, Why
Speaker 2: are they going to Why are they getting a hotel
Speaker 2: directly next to the gateway, and why are they calling
Speaker 2: the gateway? And why is nobody acknowledging that they called
Speaker 2: the gateway?
Speaker 1: Okay? Could it just be like, hey, are you gonna
Speaker 1: still open?
Speaker 2: I mean, sure, if you want to play Devil's Advocate,
Speaker 2: that's what it could be. But now we've established. The
Speaker 2: Gateway is opened in nineteen fifty nine. And why did
Speaker 2: it open in nineteen fifty nine because it used to
Speaker 2: be the bell Air. The bel Air was knocked down
Speaker 2: and they rebuilt the whole thing into the Gateway Swim
Speaker 2: and Skate. But David Ferry used the bell Air as
Speaker 2: his alibi story. So what does that tell you that
Speaker 2: he had been making trips to Houston and was well
Speaker 2: aware of the bell Air which hadn't been open in
Speaker 2: four years. So David Ferry's relationship to call to Garon
Speaker 2: to Houston and to the to the Gateway and all
Speaker 2: this stuff goes back at least four years. Why what
Speaker 2: was Ferry doing in Houston four years prior? And more
Speaker 2: than four years because it was noted down four years prior.
Speaker 2: How what is the relationship here between this bell Air
Speaker 2: and David Ferry? Well, I don't understand.
Speaker 1: Couldn't have been a hub for again, I'm throwing it
Speaker 1: out there for you know, was it a hub for
Speaker 1: Eastern Air? And look, I'm going to meet a couple
Speaker 1: of I'm gonna have a side thing going on while
Speaker 1: I'm in Houston. I'm gonna roll over here, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: stay here I'm gonna hang out, and that's how I
Speaker 1: remember it. I have good memories of bell Air when
Speaker 1: I stayed there. Isn't it some new name now, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, I could have been
Speaker 1: all right. So let's go back to Vincent calling grown
Speaker 1: Junior's obituary. Remember he's the first cousin of the founder
Speaker 1: of the Winchland. One of Vincent's recreational diversions was teaching
Speaker 1: scuba at the Houston Downtown YMCA. Okay, the Downtown Houston
Speaker 1: YMCA was formerly the Gateway Swiming's gate Okay, coincidence, I think,
Speaker 1: not so obviously. To me, Vincent called the Groan was
Speaker 1: probably working at the Gateway Swim and Skate, which is
Speaker 1: why they called him, which is why they went there.
Speaker 1: And that was probably his day gig at the Gateway
Speaker 1: teaching scuba while he was allegedly an insurance professional. Right,
Speaker 1: he's supposed to be an insurance professional, but he don't
Speaker 1: work for no bank for thirty five years. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: why does YMCA keep showing up in Kennedy.
Speaker 2: I think a couple of reasons.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Number one, Jack Valenti at some point sat on the
Speaker 2: border directors of the YMCA. I don't know how relevant
Speaker 2: that is, but he also sat on the Border Directors
Speaker 2: of TWA. So right there off the bat, you got
Speaker 2: an airplane and a place to stay that you can
Speaker 2: get on if you're the board member with no record
Speaker 2: of that seems to me to be pretty significant. He
Speaker 2: sat on the board of the directors of the of
Speaker 2: the of the scuba program for YMCA, so Vincent called
Speaker 2: the grone was connected to national higher ups by some way,
Speaker 2: probably through Jack Valenti, who sat on the Border Directors
Speaker 2: of the YMCA imc A. Why else would it pop.
Speaker 1: Up, Well, he stay at the Tampa YMCA across the
Speaker 1: street from that that when he was had that dependent
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty nine. You know, there was that that
Speaker 1: kind of discrepancy where he had that address, but he
Speaker 1: was also staying at the YMCA. It just sounds like
Speaker 1: a place to meet eyes. Maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I'm sure there was some of that
Speaker 2: going on there for sure, but I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: the YMCA just seems like it's been some sort of
Speaker 2: nefarious like CIA covert safe house thing going on, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jack Martin is known to have stayed at YMCAs.
Speaker 1: I just I mean, like.
Speaker 2: Well, also it was it was very prevalent back then
Speaker 2: where it's not today.
Speaker 3: Nobody exactly why, like.
Speaker 1: Little from where it was like what what is this
Speaker 1: like Lily where they go to play basketball or something?
Speaker 2: You know, right, yeah, yeah, So Vince Caldgirl and Junior
Speaker 2: worked at the downtown Houston YMCA, which was the Gateway.
Speaker 2: Not a coincidence. He was probably the guy the way.
Speaker 2: This is how I kind of put together this with
Speaker 2: the Short Tramp and then Raoul stuff, because basically you
Speaker 2: have all this activity. Obviously this trip to Houston was
Speaker 2: about Vincent. Okay, they're calling the Gateway, they're visiting the Gateway.
Speaker 2: Why why He's the only person in this whole damn
Speaker 2: story connected to any of that stuff. And by my calculations,
Speaker 2: he is also the short Tramp in Daily Plaza, which
Speaker 2: James Earl Ray identified as the real Raoul, which connects
Speaker 2: us to Martin Luther King, which to me again makes
Speaker 2: perfect sense.
Speaker 3: And when you study Raoul, Raoul went.
Speaker 2: To University of Houston, has the same basic flow of
Speaker 2: life that Vincent has.
Speaker 3: It's the same exact thing.
Speaker 1: So James Bay, does he actually say the tramp.
Speaker 2: Phil Yeah, yes, yeah, he identified the short tramp as Raoul.
Speaker 2: So moving on, This is the short tramp on the right.
Speaker 2: This is Vincent called the Garona on the left, from
Speaker 2: about fifteen to twenty years prior, when he didn't have
Speaker 2: as much of a receding hairline. Look at the nose.
Speaker 2: The nose is identical. But one thing I have to
Speaker 2: point out this obfuscation in the photo on the right.
Speaker 2: Look at the guys. Look at his eyes. These eyes
Speaker 2: are not natural they they have clearly been touched up, altered.
Speaker 2: There's actually another photograph where he has a completely different nose,
Speaker 2: like the nose was just pasted on the picture. I'll
Speaker 2: show you that later. But everything about it is the same.
Speaker 2: The chin as identical, the nose is identical. The relationships
Speaker 2: behind are all at play here. I mean, to me,
Speaker 2: it's pretty obvious. Vincent Caltagron was a short tramp also
Speaker 2: identified as row Wull by James ar Away. This to
Speaker 2: me completes a big circle all surrounding the winterland.
Speaker 1: Wow uh, I mean that's the most dashing tramp in history.
Speaker 1: Look at that pop collar and everything. Well, also look.
Speaker 3: At his chin.
Speaker 2: Look at what they're doing. The three champs are experienced.
Speaker 2: When you look at the photographs, they're all distorting their faces.
Speaker 2: Look he's jutting his chin out, he's pushing it out.
Speaker 2: Look at his eyes, he's kind of scrinching his eyes.
Speaker 2: You know, I sent you the photos of Danny Green
Speaker 2: and Liam Massari. They're doing the same thing. They're scrinching
Speaker 2: their face. Look at the picture of Leo LIPSKII and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's totally altering their face because they know they're being photographs,
Speaker 2: Which tells me these guys are experienced. They've done this before.
Speaker 1: So wait to say so, so everyone photographs. We're all
Speaker 1: photographs confiscated from Deli Plaza right.
Speaker 2: To and guess where they were processed.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Jagger, Charles Stovall.
Speaker 1: Oswald's Oswald's former employer.
Speaker 2: Yes, I would think there'd be a conflict of interest there,
Speaker 2: but there's not, obviously.
Speaker 1: And they were handed back, like so Mary Mormon takes
Speaker 1: the famous black and white photo right before he goes back,
Speaker 1: and that's handed that's like giving back to these people
Speaker 1: is like here, like here's your name in at it.
Speaker 1: It feels like that would be a lot of work
Speaker 1: to like Okay, what's your graduress. I'm going to get
Speaker 1: this back to you, but we need it first, but
Speaker 1: you will get this back. Is that what happened?
Speaker 3: That's the impression I get.
Speaker 2: Yes, a lot of people didn't get him back, and
Speaker 2: those pictures probably never got published.
Speaker 1: So and Abraham's appruder screens his film fifteen times or
Speaker 1: so on his I guess private projector I wonder if
Speaker 1: that was the original before it got worked on, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've never seen original. Who the hell knows, man,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I bet you he played it at
Speaker 2: that party that night.
Speaker 3: So is this year?
Speaker 2: Is an interview with Glenda Grabow by James Douglas. This
Speaker 2: gets a little off topic, but it gets onto the
Speaker 2: Raoul stuff. It's pretty fascinating because Glenda Grebo is a
Speaker 2: person who knew of Raoul and the testimony she provides
Speaker 2: is pretty pretty wild. So she's talking to Jim's Douglas.
Speaker 1: Who's the opera of JFK and The Unspeakable, right right.
Speaker 2: So Glenna says, Raoul's like jacquelin Hyde, real nice, and
Speaker 2: then he blow up. Jim says, different from the man
Speaker 2: you once knew who was a friend to you, in
Speaker 2: the early years. Yes, like jacqueal and Hyde, they're two
Speaker 2: different people. That's like when I talked to him on
Speaker 2: the phone for six minutes. Now when this is this
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. How'd you come to talk
Speaker 2: to Raoul on the telephone a couple of years ago? Well,
Speaker 2: I called information and got the number, but the investigators
Speaker 2: didn't want me talking to him. They just wanted me
Speaker 2: to go through them. Why did you telephone Raoul? Where's
Speaker 2: Raoul living now? He's in New York. Did he acknowledge
Speaker 2: on the phone that he knew you?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: He called me, oh, Linda, That's the way he always
Speaker 2: used to pronounce her name. So she's with Roy, who's
Speaker 2: her man at the time, I guess.
Speaker 3: Glenna says.
Speaker 2: And I asked him if he'd seen Lyndon Johnson's one
Speaker 2: time speech writer, Jack Valenti. He said, hey, I haven't.
Speaker 2: He said, hey, I haven't seen him in a long time,
Speaker 2: and Jim goes, so Jack Valenti knew Raoul.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: She drive Raoul to the Alabama Theater in Houston, and
Speaker 2: that's where Jack Valenti was at.
Speaker 1: Boy, this Roy needs to stop talking, I know.
Speaker 2: Did you think Jack Valenti knows Raoul's connection with the
Speaker 2: king assassination, and she goes, sure, so to me, and
Speaker 2: the fact that Vince Caliger own Junior was Jack Valenti's
Speaker 2: former brother in law, and they tried to up to me.
Speaker 2: The identification of Raoul is pretty cut and dry at
Speaker 2: this point. How did you meet Percy Foreman? Oh, this
Speaker 2: is another connection. This is another is a great one,
Speaker 2: more evidence. How did you meet Percy Foreman? And Glenna says, well,
Speaker 2: he was a lawyer in Houston. Roy's brother got in
Speaker 2: trouble one time and he used Percy Foreman as his attorney.
Speaker 2: We never knew he'd been raised attorney. We never paid
Speaker 2: no attention to that. I was raising kids when that happened.
Speaker 2: So we went up to Foreman's office to help Roy's brother.
Speaker 2: Foreman was there. How did Foreman's connection with James Earl
Speaker 2: Ray come up?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, books and all kinds of stuff about Ray and
Speaker 2: there and I got to talking about him and about Raoul.
Speaker 2: How did he respond to your telling him about Raoul
Speaker 2: killing Martin Luther King? He said he knew Raoul. Percy Foreman,
Speaker 2: James Earl Ray's lawyer, knew Raoul what was his attitudes
Speaker 2: towards Ray? Okay, so here we have Percy Foreman admitting
Speaker 2: to Glenda that he knows Raoul. Well, guess what Percy
Speaker 2: Foreman was Vincent called to Geron Junior's lawyer in nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty six when the Mossler murder happened. Okay, so here
Speaker 2: we have even more relationship between Raoul Percy Foreman and
Speaker 2: Vincent Calter Gerham Junior.
Speaker 3: Who was the roommates.
Speaker 2: See Vincent Calter grown Junior keeps popping up in all
Speaker 2: these places. He ain't supposed to be right, So yeah,
Speaker 2: to me, the connection between Jack Valenti and Vincent caldigerown Junior,
Speaker 2: the connection to Glinda and Raoul. To me, this is
Speaker 2: pretty cut. This is all cut and dry. This to
Speaker 2: me is pretty obvious. Then you add to that the
Speaker 2: identification by James R. Array of Vincent the short tramp
Speaker 2: as Raoul, and you got the nail in the coffin
Speaker 2: for the whole story.
Speaker 1: So yes, yeah, let me just add an eating James
Speaker 1: James R. Array was patsied or where what?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: And you know I don't have enough information to say
Speaker 2: this with any certainty, but Jack Valenti was traveling at
Speaker 2: the time that Martin Luther King got killed. I'd be
Speaker 2: willing to put my money on the fact that Jack
Speaker 2: Valenti shot Martin Luther King, and hopefully I'll get be
Speaker 2: able to get to that research one day there and
Speaker 2: that would make sense. It would also substantiate the fact
Speaker 2: that both Vincent and Jack were together a two assassinations,
Speaker 2: meaning that Vincent is the trusted spotter, which would be
Speaker 2: the same relationship like between Lenny Patrick and Dave Yaris,
Speaker 2: who are who were partners for like decades. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean. I think when you're an assassin, you
Speaker 2: got a spotter you know you can You got a
Speaker 2: guy you know you can trust no matter what. And
Speaker 2: in this case, he knew could trust himcause he's a
Speaker 2: former brother in law.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So to me, the whole thing seems to fall into
Speaker 2: place very speculative. I'll admit, well, hey, but when it
Speaker 2: walks like a duck, it qualks like a duck, it's
Speaker 2: probably a duck, you know.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll just say there's a thread I've been
Speaker 1: I've been hunting on James or Ray that I'm hoping
Speaker 1: I can uncover soon. But it's just every movement of
Speaker 1: Ray leading in sixty eight leading up to the assassination
Speaker 1: of King just got reeks of just being intelligence handled,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the fact that he makes it to Montreal and
Speaker 2: Europe and all these places give me a break, all right?
Speaker 1: So so Masler here, so he mentioned this Masler murder.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here we go. So Jaques Mossler. Jacques Mosler was
Speaker 2: like a He's worth like one hundred million dollars all
Speaker 2: the way back in like nineteen sixties, right, So the
Speaker 2: guy's worth a ton of money. He's alleged to have
Speaker 2: been a homosexual. But he's married to this woman named
Speaker 2: Candy Mossler who's like thirty years younger than him, and
Speaker 2: the whole time she's having an affair with her actual nephew,
Speaker 2: a guy named Melvin Powers. Okay, so it's Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: I mean the idea that we had drama before social
Speaker 2: media to me as wild. So so yes, So that
Speaker 2: whole thing is crazy. The whole situation with the Mosler
Speaker 2: murder is crazy. And why is it crazy? Because Vincent
Speaker 2: called the grown junior after the whole thing's being the
Speaker 2: trial is already happening.
Speaker 3: It's already there.
Speaker 2: It's not until the trial is happening that they realize
Speaker 2: Vincent is Mosler's roommate in Miami when he's supposed to
Speaker 2: be an insurance professional in Houston. Right, So he's living
Speaker 2: in Miami working at a bank as a teller, and
Speaker 2: the bank is owned by Mosler. Okay, and he's living
Speaker 2: with Mosler and Moster's an alleged homosexual. You read into
Speaker 2: that what you will. But Massler is stabbed to death.
Speaker 2: He stabbed like eighty times. Dude, He's like, I mean
Speaker 2: this dude. Whoever killed him hated this guy. But Vincent
Speaker 2: is never brought into this as a suspect ever. And
Speaker 2: I have a feeling Vincent had far more to do
Speaker 2: with Massler's murder than than anybody else.
Speaker 1: I'm just good point out there. I mean, he's supposed
Speaker 1: to be Yeah, he's supposed to be doing an insurance
Speaker 1: in Houston. Uh is this the same guy?
Speaker 3: Yeah? One hundred percent the same guy.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, former brother in law of Jack Valenti. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I notice the day on here, Yeah, February tenth,
Speaker 2: sixty six. This is very important because Jack Valenti will
Speaker 2: be out of the White House within three months.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. So, by the way, so on
Speaker 1: the twenty second in November, he gets kind of a promotion.
Speaker 1: You can, you might say, He's like you're with me now,
Speaker 1: kind of like you're not leaving my side, like everything
Speaker 1: that's good. And so you in order to get a
Speaker 1: meeting with the Oval Office, you will.
Speaker 3: Go through Jack exactly.
Speaker 2: And he was basically Lyndon Johnson's gatekeeper all the way
Speaker 2: up until about May year of sixty six, May of
Speaker 2: sixty six, because in May of sixty six, this story
Speaker 2: breaks about about Vincent Calthic Geron Junior. It mentions Jack
Speaker 2: Valenti by fucking name, I'm like, holy shit, right there,
Speaker 2: It actually mentions Jack, connecting him to Vincent in the newspaper. Fuck,
Speaker 2: I'm holy god, this isn't greable, this is great, Oh
Speaker 2: my god. Right, and so but then Jack, almost instantly
Speaker 2: by May, he's taken out of his position as gatekeeper.
Speaker 2: He never had a policy position. He was just the
Speaker 2: guy you talked to. He was like Lyndon Johnson's like
Speaker 2: do boy, right, And so all of a sudden, though
Speaker 2: all of the policy stuff was taken away from Bill
Speaker 2: Moyer's and it was given to Jack Valenti, and from
Speaker 2: May to June, Jack Valenti was the policy guy that
Speaker 2: everyone had to go to. He starts meeting with Richard
Speaker 2: Helms of the CIA, and of sixty six sixty six yes,
Speaker 2: of sixty six, Jack Valenti becomes right, completely unqualified. He
Speaker 2: becomes the top guy in the White House for policy. Okay,
Speaker 2: he does that for a month and a half or so,
Speaker 2: and then he's out, and then he's he never leaves DC.
Speaker 2: He takes over the NPAA and manages Hollywood from DC.
Speaker 2: So like, uh, what you know, Yeah, he was CIA
Speaker 2: the whole time. Here's the kicker for me with the
Speaker 2: Mary Boots Roberts stuff. So on the left is Joyce Roland,
Speaker 2: the mother of Richard Rowland, the wife of uh Chuck Land,
Speaker 2: and then on the right you got Mary Boots Roberts.
Speaker 2: That's the same goddamn person. And the big giveaway is
Speaker 2: look at look at the chin, the jowls, the turkey neck,
Speaker 2: the eyebrow, the direction of the hair wave. Obviously, the
Speaker 2: picture on the left is many years after the picture
Speaker 2: on the right, or vice versa. But this is the
Speaker 2: same woman, Joyce Rowland and Mary Boots Roberts. I don't
Speaker 2: even know what to say at this point about this.
Speaker 2: What are they doing here? What are they what's going on?
Speaker 2: And then obviously Richard Roland had to have been on
Speaker 2: this to some degree because he goes, I don't know
Speaker 2: what happened with the Roberts, but my mother, Joyce Roland
Speaker 2: took over the Winterland bullshit.
Speaker 1: Hang on, So so Joyce Rowland here and Boost Roberts,
Speaker 1: NIMI call to gron right, this is Vincent's sister, cousin, cousin,
Speaker 1: first cousin, So Roland, you're saying it's the same woman,
Speaker 1: Roland Rowland and who tested my clay Shaw is the cousin.
Speaker 1: The wife is the cousin of Vincent called to grone right,
Speaker 1: But I.
Speaker 3: Don't know why that she would lie, change her name
Speaker 3: all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Or you're the one who's writing the book about Oswald.
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean I understand it. I'm just documenting it.
Speaker 2: So it's all yeah, it's all over and again this
Speaker 2: woman alleged they went to go work for NASA during
Speaker 2: the Apollo and Gemini missions, but this zero record of
Speaker 2: her name attached to any of those programs and it's
Speaker 2: just clear by visuals alone it's the same person. So
Speaker 2: why would they do this? I don't understand. I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is one of those things that I'm super confused about.
Speaker 2: Why the hell would they do this? I and why
Speaker 2: would they keep her? Why would they keep her at
Speaker 2: the Winterland? Why would they switch her name and keep
Speaker 2: her at the Winterland and are a different name? Like
Speaker 2: people aren't gonna know. Like, I just don't get it.
Speaker 1: It worked for a long time, Yes it did.
Speaker 3: So I got a couple more slides left. I don't
Speaker 3: remember what.
Speaker 2: Oh the rest of this is just gonna be yes.
Speaker 2: I got a bunch of Americana. So this is all
Speaker 2: stuff I gathered on the Winterland, you know, just some
Speaker 2: from the newspapers. You got pictures of it. This is
Speaker 2: this some of the only pictures you'll ever see of
Speaker 2: the Winterland.
Speaker 3: I got these.
Speaker 2: Houston Figure Skating Club things with pictures and names of
Speaker 2: people who went there.
Speaker 1: Is that our guy other way, the half Korean?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Uh No, it doesn't look like it now.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: I did found a picture of him before he died.
Speaker 2: He was u He looked very Korean in his older
Speaker 2: in his old age. These are some pictures for the
Speaker 2: ice review that some of the kids had drawn. Okay,
Speaker 2: Larry Ross, he's an interesting guy.
Speaker 3: Larry Ross.
Speaker 2: He was like the head trainer during this time at
Speaker 2: the Winterland. He was a gay guy, and he used
Speaker 2: to have these it's said, I don't remember where I
Speaker 2: referenced this, but he has to have three gay boys
Speaker 2: from New Orleans come over and then they would go
Speaker 2: over to a gay bar local near in Houston called
Speaker 2: Folly's and they would put on drag shows there. And
Speaker 2: Larry Ross was all connected to these guys in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: Probably another connection, we don't know, Probably not involved in
Speaker 2: the assassination at all, but just another one of those
Speaker 2: background characters, remember a lot of these. There was a
Speaker 2: whole big gay community thing going on in the background
Speaker 2: of all this stuff. More pictures. It's just that that's
Speaker 2: the fact.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I don't think we're you know, people
Speaker 1: over time have tried to bring that out as some
Speaker 1: kind of like a Garrison vengeful thing. Oh yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just that's what it is. Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Here we have John Hopes for farm jobs. So he
Speaker 2: was another guy on the hockey team, with Richard Roland
Speaker 2: that it was mentioned earlier, got the Houston Figure Skating Club.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, all of these names I think
Speaker 2: are here. We got Deborah Silverman. I wonder if there's
Speaker 2: a relationship there.
Speaker 1: Mhm.
Speaker 2: But I'm paranoid everybody who got the same names in
Speaker 2: on it, all right, So, I mean, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not the best person to ask about stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Here's Rulona Roland ice age seventy five.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: This is not pee weee hockey team. More stuff on
Speaker 2: the hockey team, you know, more of this, but uh yeah.
Speaker 3: So that's basically it.
Speaker 2: And I think basically I've done a pretty good job
Speaker 2: of showing that David Ferry didn't do anything he said
Speaker 2: he did. He was in Hammond when he was supposed
Speaker 2: to be in Houston. You know, this is what they
Speaker 2: covered up. This everything that we just talked about is
Speaker 2: this is the story of the assassination. And once you
Speaker 2: realize David Ferry is involved, you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: all those other guys down in New Orleans, those are
Speaker 2: the other guys. That's when you get the Richard. You
Speaker 2: get Arnold Rowland, another Roland. Arnold Rowland witnesses, the guy
Speaker 2: up in the sniper's nest who said he's got something something,
Speaker 2: His face was very wrinkled or marked in some kind
Speaker 2: of way.
Speaker 3: Laurence Toward.
Speaker 2: Then if that's Lauren Toward, who's else is on the
Speaker 2: You got Lauren Hall obviously, right, So you got that's
Speaker 2: why the William Seymour, Howard and Hall relationship is so important.
Speaker 2: I mean, you trace those guys traveling back and forth
Speaker 2: across the country between sixty one and sixty three, going
Speaker 2: to la and Houston, Dallas, New Orleans, Miami. You realize
Speaker 2: those guys are part of the group, and you're not
Speaker 2: gonna kill the president with a bunch of strangers. You're
Speaker 2: gonna do it with your inner circle guys who were
Speaker 2: in on the planning of this thing. And that's where
Speaker 2: that's how it really exposed New Orleans as like ground
Speaker 2: zero for this thing. With a handful of exceptions. Vilente,
Speaker 2: you know, Yaris, a couple of the mob guys, the
Speaker 2: Cleveland guys, right, So this is on, But those guys
Speaker 2: you could obviously see how the chain of command went
Speaker 2: because it all leads back to Giancanna and then to
Speaker 2: Meyer Lansky and then the israelis right, and so the
Speaker 2: chainea man is all there, the overall structure is all there,
Speaker 2: And it was really the fun realizing David Ferry was
Speaker 2: the shooter that was seen by Ed Hoffman shooter scene
Speaker 2: behind the fence, and that his entire alibi story is
Speaker 2: a bunch of eyes. That kind of was really what
Speaker 2: started me in the direction of realizing most of this
Speaker 2: was based around New Orleans and that Oswald never interacted
Speaker 2: with any of these people, like none zero. Oswald had
Speaker 2: nothing to do with none of these guys. Oswald was
Speaker 2: kept at a distance, he was kept over here while
Speaker 2: they were setting them up over here. You're never gonna
Speaker 2: let your patsy wander around your operation and know what's
Speaker 2: going on. So the whole idea that Oswald knew any
Speaker 2: of these people is ridiculous to me. So yeah, that's
Speaker 2: where the whole thing stemmed from. This David Ferry stuff.
Speaker 2: He's the center of the Kennedy universe, and everybody should
Speaker 2: be going out and at least trying to double check
Speaker 2: what I've done and verify what I've done to show
Speaker 2: that it's not this isn't really my work. This is
Speaker 2: what the documents say.
Speaker 1: So well, no, and you know, if anyone wants a challenge,
Speaker 1: I also welcome anyone to comment on this and and geez,
Speaker 1: we'll bring you on and we'll all chat. But but
Speaker 1: I was, if you want to do that, look at
Speaker 1: that Winter Winterlind trail, because man, that that graf you
Speaker 1: did of who owns what? I think. What I would
Speaker 1: love to confirm though, is the Johnson Family Enterprises is
Speaker 1: at the is at the top of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if we'll be able to confirm that.
Speaker 2: We'd have to find some documentation on that, because that
Speaker 2: came from Richard Roland, who got it from his parents
Speaker 2: who got it.
Speaker 1: You know. So I believe it.
Speaker 2: I know it's true, but we don't have any other
Speaker 2: documentary evidence to support that. It can't be that hard.
Speaker 2: There have to be ownership records going back to the
Speaker 2: six He's still available. I really I wish I had
Speaker 2: a pile of money and I could just go to
Speaker 2: Houston for like a week and just pull all these documents.
Speaker 2: I mean, I need Jack Velnny's birth certificate because Jack
Speaker 2: Valenti half his friends all his life called him Mel.
Speaker 2: Why they call him Mel? Where's Mel come from? Malosh Malachi.
Speaker 2: You know, he's got another name on it. Jack Valenti
Speaker 2: has another name that's not on the records because nobody's
Speaker 2: named Jack.
Speaker 1: Is that nobody is that Hebrew or something?
Speaker 2: Yes, Angel angel Milash is Hebrew for angel. And and
Speaker 2: you know, according to I can't really prove this, but
Speaker 2: according to Dawson, him and his whole family are crypto Jews.
Speaker 1: So Valette.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so but that's that. That's my story on David Ferry.
Speaker 2: And I think if people just focused on David Ferry,
Speaker 2: I would be that would be great, and at least
Speaker 2: an acknowledgment of all this stuff, because no one's even
Speaker 2: acknowledged us except my little group that you're in, you know,
Speaker 2: my little research group. It's outside of that. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean people seem to want to reject this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I I think it needs to
Speaker 1: be debated. And this is guys, this is this is
Speaker 1: the new wave of Kennedy research coming that's coming our way.
Speaker 1: So be prepared because that the old the old group
Speaker 1: is going down. I mean, they're just by sheer age
Speaker 1: and time is like going to be on our side.
Speaker 1: And and I think this, and you know, the rationale
Speaker 1: is standing up. You know, the idea, like I said,
Speaker 1: of Chelona's story about this guy sleeping in his bed
Speaker 1: like that, you know, that's that just holds more water
Speaker 1: than than this. When you listen to all this testimony
Speaker 1: of this, these stories it just they just you know,
Speaker 1: they don't hold, they don't wash, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it just goes to show how many people
Speaker 2: were in on the cover up story, you know, how
Speaker 2: many people were willing to lie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Corey, I thanks you for coming on and doing
Speaker 1: all this. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I appreciate your having metely.
Speaker 1: Get some comments going and we'll see you next time