WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:04.040 I'm back with Corey Hughes. Corey, good morning, Good morning. 2 00:00:04.879 --> 00:00:08.199 I have some questions viewer questions since last week talked 3 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:10.240 just two of them, but I'm gonna jump in. If 4 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:13.400 that's okay with you, go for it. This is from 5 00:00:13.960 --> 00:00:18.920 David mastra Angelo and he says, I have a question 6 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:23.440 about Thomas Arthur Valley and how he fits into the story. 7 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:27.199 I'm all in on Israel and dual Oswald's and him 8 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:31.120 never being in the TSBD. Is the Chicago plot simply 9 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:34.119 to plant the seed of a single nut case pulling 10 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:37.920 off an assassination. Is this a Bule Frasier type thing 11 00:00:37.960 --> 00:00:40.960 where he could have been the scapegoat but they decided 12 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:45.320 to use Oswald instead. Does Valley have a similar military 13 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:48.079 intelligence background as Oswald or is this just simply a 14 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:50.560 nous no friend a guy. 15 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:53.880 So that's an interesting one because like that, you know, 16 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:56.000 we have the Miami plot in the Chicago plot, which 17 00:00:56.039 --> 00:00:57.799 were like lead ups to Dallas. 18 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:01.439 But honestly, none of that makes any sense to me. 19 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:03.159 Sorry about that. 20 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:05.400 None of that makes any sense to me because. 21 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:10.040 The amount of planning that went into Dallas goes back 22 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:12.840 to like March at the earliest or at the latest, 23 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:15.760 because that's when they started to that's when they ordered 24 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:17.799 the rifle, and that ordering of the rifle is the 25 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:20.840 very first thing that's obvious in the setup of Oswald, 26 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:24.760 and so they put I mean, there is so much 27 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:27.840 going on revolving around Dallas. You got the Perry Russo 28 00:01:27.959 --> 00:01:31.280 meeting in September, long before Chicago or any of these 29 00:01:31.319 --> 00:01:34.400 other places. So they were one hundred percent planning on 30 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:38.040 killing Kennedy in Dallas. So what are the implications for 31 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:40.519 Chicago and Miami. I mean, I just don't know. I 32 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:44.760 just don't They've never seemed to fit the larger scale operation, 33 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:46.959 and they still are kind of a mystery to me. 34 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:50.920 So I really don't know. I just really don't know. 35 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:53.879 I don't understand how. I don't know how serious they 36 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:57.400 were about planning that. I just can't see them. I 37 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:00.319 can't see the Israelis, through Permandex and Clay Shaw and 38 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:02.319 the l A Mob and all these guys getting to 39 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:04.640 do this assassination and they're getting all worked up for it. 40 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:08.240 They're in Dallas already, and then boom, Kennedy's killed in Chicago. 41 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:10.319 Like that. Just don't I don't see that. 42 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:12.680 I mean, that's a lot of money, time effort planning 43 00:02:12.719 --> 00:02:15.719 out the window, and so I just can't seem to 44 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:17.280 fit those into the larger puzzle. 45 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:20.879 Right going off there, my own question as a follow 46 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:24.840 up would be Richard case Nagel, what of wils your 47 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:26.919 kind of where do you come down on him? You 48 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:28.000 don't really talk about him. 49 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:31.080 Much, No, I don't, because it's kind of a side 50 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:35.439 story for me. He was definitely in some loop and 51 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:39.439 new names and things, and but. 52 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:40.680 I don't really know. 53 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:43.879 I've never dig too deep into him because it never 54 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:46.759 really offered any new insight to me into the actual assassination, 55 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:48.759 because I kind of started with the shooters and worked 56 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:51.280 my way backwards, and that kind of eliminates a lot 57 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:54.120 of the side stories that we have been told over 58 00:02:54.199 --> 00:02:58.319 the decades, you know, So we can hear the stories 59 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:01.280 about like the oil man and the banker and brown 60 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:03.400 Root hair man and like all these different people who 61 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:04.719 are like all these guys were all in on it? 62 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:05.000 Really? 63 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:08.479 Where where were they in on it? Connect them between 64 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:11.000 David Ben Gurion and the shooters at the bottom. Show 65 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:12.800 me somewhere in this thread where they are, and I 66 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:15.360 can't find him anywhere. So we get so many stories 67 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:17.800 like that, oh, this person was involved and this player's 68 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:19.759 person did this, and like, I can't find any proof 69 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:20.599 for any of that stuff. 70 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:20.840 You know. 71 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:25.319 So we got a lot of hype in this space obviously. 72 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:31.639 Since last week talked too. Rob Reiner tragically murdered. He 73 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:34.840 did crazy interesting. Yeah, he did some work there on JFK. 74 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:37.919 Did you follow what he was putting out there, Corey. 75 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:41.199 No, because he's an establishment guy. He's been an establishment 76 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:45.159 guy since the meathead days. I'm sure. I mean, that 77 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:49.319 guy was like hobnobbing it with Obama and stuff, so's 78 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:52.159 he's not an honest actor. So I never paid any 79 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:54.520 attention to that at all. I know he put out 80 00:03:54.560 --> 00:03:56.319 some documentary that was like he named the people who 81 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:58.120 killed Kennedy or something. So I don't even know what 82 00:03:58.159 --> 00:03:59.199 he said, but I'm sure he's wrong. 83 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:04.400 He was working with Dick Russell on that. By the way, Okay, 84 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:06.479 here's another question for well, this is more of a comment, 85 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:08.639 but I want you to weigh in. There were three rifles. 86 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:11.800 This is from an unknown uh user. There were three 87 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:17.399 rifles found quote unquote or planted by Dallas and Sheriff Police, 88 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:23.439 one rifle for each Patsy A Mouser, an Enfield and 89 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:28.920 a Carcano for Fairry, for Frasier, and for Oswald, depending 90 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:32.240 on which Patsy the government would use. What are your thoughts? 91 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:37.040 I think that's half correct. I don't know that they 92 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:38.720 would ever set up David Ferry. 93 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:40.600 In fact, they went to great lengths to protect him 94 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:48.879 after the fact. But the Carkano, like we know where 95 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:52.439 the Carcano came from, Carkano came from Adams, consolidated in 96 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:55.800 a batch of seventy rifles. Three of them made the 97 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:58.439 right in New Orleans. David Ferry had one, Emelio Santana 98 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:01.759 had one, and one of them was used in this setup. 99 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:04.639 But they found a whole bunch of more rifles than that. 100 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:09.439 They found a Johnson, the Johnson thirty et six. The 101 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:11.800 Nfield three oh three, which I'm convinced is the rifle 102 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:14.720 that took Kennedy's head off, was I believe planted on 103 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:16.759 Bil Fraser when they arrested him later that day. Most 104 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:19.279 people don't ever talk about that, but they allegedly took 105 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:21.040 an Enfield three oh three and a bunch of pointed 106 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:24.360 tip three O three ammo off of him. I've guarantee 107 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:27.399 that stuff was planted because the Nfield three oh three 108 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:29.639 pointed tip bullet was what was planted as the magic 109 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:32.120 bullet before the FBI swapped it to the Karkana round. 110 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:34.639 So to me, that was a pretty clear indication they 111 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:37.160 were they were definitely setting somebody up using an Enfield 112 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:40.199 three oh three bullet found by Darryl Thomlinson and op 113 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:42.800 Wright turned over to Richard Johnson makes his way to 114 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:46.959 the FBI. Then years later it's suddenly a Carcannor round. Right, 115 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:49.519 this was all in six seconds in Dallas by Josiah Thompson. 116 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:53.720 So I'm convinced beyond all doubt that that Nfield three 117 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:55.480 oh three they picked up off a Fraser, because remember 118 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:58.120 they were setting Fraser up at the sports drone. The 119 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:00.959 person who allegedly went there as Oswald drop the name 120 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:02.279 that Fraser drove him there. 121 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:03.360 Bullshit. 122 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:06.519 I don't buy that at all. They never Bil Fraser 123 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:08.399 never drove anybody to the rifle range. I'm convinced of 124 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:10.519 that one hundred percent, and that they were using his 125 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:12.600 name to set him up as a second patsy. That's 126 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:15.079 why they planted the rifle, that's you know, why he 127 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:17.560 got picked up that day. But they didn't need to 128 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:19.680 at all. I guess after they picked up osball, they're like, okay, 129 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:23.160 we got we got it done. So everyone else got 130 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:23.639 off the hook. 131 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:27.279 We're here. It's gonna be a I think it's gonna 132 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:32.560 be interesting because Corey's gonna basically be running this this session. Here, Corey, 133 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:34.120 I'm gonna turn it over to you. What are we 134 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:35.279 What are we doing today? 135 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:37.720 We're gonna talk about David Ferry and we're gonna show 136 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:42.399 the basically unsurmountable evidence that shows that he was not 137 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:45.480 only in Dallas, but he shot Kennedy from behind the fence. 138 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:49.800 And please ask questions as we go through this. I'm 139 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:51.120 going to kind of take my time on this. I 140 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:54.360 hope you got some time, but yeah, ask them questions 141 00:06:54.360 --> 00:07:00.519 as we go. We'll clarify things for the audience here 142 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:03.480 we go. I call it this David Ferry the Grassy 143 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:05.959 Noel in the Winterland Ice Arena. The Winterland Ice Arena 144 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:09.480 being probably the single most important like thing in the 145 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:13.399 assassination story, Like it's the weakest link in the whole story, 146 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:15.800 because that's where when you go through the Winterland you 147 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:17.920 come to understand David Ferry never went to the Winchland. 148 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:20.000 And why why is there this a big story about 149 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:22.560 David Ferry going to the Winterland if you never went there. Well, 150 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:24.839 obviously they were covering for him because he was in Dallas, 151 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:28.560 and this was an alibi story. And so we're going 152 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:32.399 to go over to slides that basically brought me to this, 153 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:36.800 and we'll start off right here. Subsequent investigation is an 154 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:40.199 FBI report. Subsequent investigation by New Orleans office disclosed information 155 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:43.000 was received by New Orleans Parish District Attorney's Office, New 156 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:45.759 Orleans November twenty four to last that when David William 157 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:48.959 Ferry allegedly taught Lee Harvey Oswald use of a telescopic 158 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:52.600 site on a rifle, well that's false. DA's office concluded 159 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:56.920 Fairy possibly involved in assassination of President, conducted investigation to locate. 160 00:07:56.959 --> 00:08:00.839 Ferry was absent from his residence when investigators and when 161 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:03.759 we investigator showed up. That's basically the night of the 162 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:08.160 twenty twenty fourth, that they show up there on Sunday. 163 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:15.279 All right, assassination President Kennedy November twenty two, nineteen sixty three. Dallas, 164 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:19.120 Texas telephone calls November twenty five, last Too Supervisor Richard 165 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:22.560 Gallagher from New Orleans reference David William Ferry during the 166 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:25.480 morning of November twenty five press inquiry received by New 167 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:28.120 Orleans office concerning arrest of Layton Patrick Martin's and Alvin 168 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:32.000 Rowland Bobof arrested early morning November twenty five by New 169 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:35.960 Orleans PD on vagrancy charges with notation in a rest 170 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:37.840 book that they were being held for secret service. So 171 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:43.720 they knew about David Ferry immediately, and we're at his 172 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:46.559 house on the just after midnight on the twenty fifth, 173 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:49.759 which will cause us some problems. Later in Thomas Compton's story, 174 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:53.360 Ferry stated that from October eleventh October eighteen sixty three, 175 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:55.559 he was in Guatemala, and again from October thirtieth to 176 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:58.200 November first, he was in Guatemala in connection with the 177 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:01.639 investigation of the Marcelo case. Ferry said that prior to 178 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:03.480 a very recent trip, he was last in the state 179 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:05.720 of Texas in August nineteen sixty two, at which time 180 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:08.480 he was in Orange, Texas. Ferry said he had planned 181 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:10.720 during the trial of Marcello case and immediately upon the 182 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:13.200 conclusion of that case, he would take a trip for 183 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:16.240 the purpose of relaxing He said that he left his 184 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:19.279 home at thirty three thirty Louisiana Avenue Parkway, New Orleans, 185 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:22.960 November twenty second, sixty three, roughly six thirty pm, in 186 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:25.799 his nineteen sixty one light blue Comet fourd or station wagon, 187 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:28.600 which he purchased from the Delta Mercury Company in New 188 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:31.159 Orleans within the past month. He stated, Charles Graham, salesman 189 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:33.639 Delta Mercury Company, sold him the Comet wagon. So this 190 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:36.799 is I highlighted this because this is the official story 191 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:39.519 on what David Ferry did that day. The official story 192 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:41.720 says David Ferry didn't leave New Orleans till six thirty 193 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:44.960 He left in his light blue Comet station wagon and 194 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:47.879 then just meandered all the way to Houston, where they 195 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:49.840 arrive about four thirty in the morning. 196 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:54.120 Now, Corey, let's let's go back that same day in 197 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:57.279 the morning. We're getting pushed back that he was in 198 00:09:57.320 --> 00:10:00.759 court and that he's accounted for in New Orleans as 199 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:05.000 being present there when the president is shot over in Dallas. 200 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:08.360 Yeah, that story is stupid. 201 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:10.759 It totally falls apart when you put like the real 202 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:12.759 story together and then you come to realize that his 203 00:10:12.799 --> 00:10:15.080 alibi witnesses were a bunch of mobsters and a corrupt 204 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:19.080 FBI agent who all were obviously clearly in on this. 205 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:22.000 I would like to know the role of Regis Kennedy 206 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:25.919 and his relationship with Carlos Marcelo and his role in 207 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:28.159 this a little more, because obviously he was aware. He 208 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:31.919 knew all the players. He was Hoover's point man for 209 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:34.039 the Cubans down there, so he knew all these guys. 210 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:36.879 But what got him involved in this, I don't know. 211 00:10:36.919 --> 00:10:38.960 But the whole story doesn't make any sense once you 212 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:41.480 come to find that, like he lied about everything else, 213 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:45.840 so fairly related that on leaving his house, he drove 214 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:48.919 to the homes of Alvin Boboof and Melvin Coffee and 215 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:51.519 picked him up in order that they might accompany him 216 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:54.399 on the trip. Just so everyone knows in advance, Melvin 217 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:56.799 Coffee is a real person, but it's actually just an 218 00:10:56.799 --> 00:10:59.919 alias that was being used for Layton Martin's. Why he 219 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:01.919 tried to protect Layton Martin's in this, I don't know, 220 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:04.720 And why Melvin Coffee was willing to provide his name 221 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:08.679 as an alibi, I don't know. He said at the 222 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:11.159 time that he left his house, he did not know 223 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:12.840 where he was going. He said the purpose of the 224 00:11:12.840 --> 00:11:15.039 trip was to merely relax, and that at the time 225 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:17.039 he did not know whether he was going hunting, drinking, 226 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:20.000 or driving. Ferry stated did not take any firearms with 227 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:21.600 him when he left his home because he thought he 228 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:24.080 might go out of state of Louisiana, did not know 229 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:26.200 what the hunting seasons were in other states, and he 230 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:30.080 was also concerned about transporting firearms across state lines. Fairry 231 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:33.080 said that he'd been considering for some time the feasibility 232 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:35.879 and possibility of opening an ice skating rink in New Orleans. 233 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:38.519 He claimed he made a telephone call, possibly from Melvin 234 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:41.720 Coffee's home, to truck Roland at the Winterland to skating 235 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:44.639 rink in Houston, Texas. He advised that this call to 236 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:47.919 Roland was charged to either telephone number eight nine nine 237 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:50.240 three five nine eight or four eight six three one 238 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:53.960 two seven, either Fairies or Melvin Coffee's phone numbers. Faerry 239 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:56.360 claimed that he had no prior acquaintance with Roland, but 240 00:11:56.639 --> 00:11:58.879 had knowledge of the fact that the Winterland skating rink 241 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:03.960 was located in Houston, So this is the first indication 242 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:06.120 we have that his story is bullshit because the story 243 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:09.799 is basically bullshit, right, So he wants to go ice 244 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:12.840 skating to day Kennedy gets killed six seven hours away, right, 245 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:16.240 it doesn't make any sense. After arriving at the motel, 246 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:18.399 he placed a telephone call to Attorney g Rate Gill, 247 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:20.759 but was unable to complete this call. He plays a 248 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:22.519 second call to the Town and Country Motel and an 249 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:25.399 effort to determine whether Attorney Gill was located at the 250 00:12:25.399 --> 00:12:28.159 Town and Country motel. Ferry further related that Alvin boboof 251 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:30.399 may have made a telephone call to his home. He 252 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.360 said that later they checked out of the Ala Motel 253 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:35.519 and went to the bell Air skating rink on Chimney 254 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:39.639 Rock Road. This is extremely significant. The bel Air skating 255 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:44.080 rink on Chimney Rock Road is extremely significant. And it's 256 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:46.159 not on Chimney Rock Road, if I'm not mistaken. It 257 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.799 was on God, I can't remember the name of the 258 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:50.919 street offhand, but it was most certainly not on Chimney 259 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:53.240 Rock Road. And actually we'll get to the bailor later, 260 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:55.279 but the Beller skating rink didn't exist. It didn't exist 261 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:58.200 post nineteen fifty nine, which is really weird that David 262 00:12:58.240 --> 00:12:59.960 Ferry would seem to have some knowledge of a skate 263 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:01.360 rink that was knocked down. 264 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:02.759 Four years prior to his trip. 265 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:06.360 Verry stated that he looked the skating rink over tried 266 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:08.480 to locate the owner, but the owner was unavailable. He 267 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:10.639 said he remained at the bell Air for forty five 268 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:13.519 minutes to an hour. On leaving the skating rink, they 269 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:16.120 drove out Old Spanish Fort trail stopped at a restaurant 270 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:19.120 near Telephone Road. Now, something happened on telephone Road. I 271 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:22.399 think they had a meeting on Telephone Road. There's references 272 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:25.799 to another strip club on Telephone Road, and I have 273 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:27.320 a feeling they didn't go to a restaurant. I have 274 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:29.480 a feeling and went to that strip club on Telephone Road. 275 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:34.600 Also involved in this part of the story, which I 276 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:37.240 don't really cover in this too much, there's a guy 277 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:40.200 named Monte de Monti who is kind of like a mobster, 278 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:43.600 like he's like a famous mobster, sort of like a 279 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:46.200 flashy kind of card shark kind of guy. But he 280 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:49.440 was known across the country and he gave a huge 281 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:51.960 He told a big story about how he was involved 282 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:54.639 in meeting with David Ferry. And these guys down here 283 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:59.679 in Houston and Galveston, and I just can't seem to 284 00:13:59.679 --> 00:14:01.759 connect or what he did. So something else happened on 285 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:03.679 this trip that no one's aware of. I believe it 286 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:05.879 had to do with this telephone road address. I can't 287 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:07.279 really prove why. 288 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:13.279 Now, how do you know about the Monty statement or how. 289 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:14.080 The Manty de MONTI? 290 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:17.840 Yeah, So in researching all this stuff I found I 291 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:21.240 just stumbled upon an article that was written about this 292 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:24.440 kind of card shark, kind of a hustler pool hustler, 293 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:28.360 kind of like a like a real flashy, kind of 294 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:31.279 low level gangster guy who would you know, run books 295 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:35.440 and do stuff like that. And he relayed the story 296 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:37.360 to a guy who wrote an article and it's on 297 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:41.200 some obscure website that no one's ever seen before, and 298 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:44.240 he talks about I believe another guy he knew named 299 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:49.279 Sid Tarante, who was the half brother of Jada, and 300 00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:51.519 he was a friend of his and he was involved 301 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:55.000 down in this something that they did on this trip 302 00:14:55.559 --> 00:14:59.000 down in Houston. And at the time, Monte de Monte 303 00:14:59.320 --> 00:15:02.759 was living in Oak Cliff, which is really weird. The 304 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:05.279 Monte de Monte and the Toronto stuff is like a 305 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:08.200 I don't have any idea. I don't know what to 306 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:10.320 deal with it is. But they did something to assist 307 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:13.960 Ferry on this trip. Hopefully one day I'll figure that out, 308 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:15.879 but probably not. There's only two articles on this thing, 309 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:20.360 like anywhere. So all right, so at some point they 310 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:22.240 said this, I haven't figured out either. I don't know 311 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:24.519 why they incorporated this in the alibi story. He said 312 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:26.799 that while en route to Galveston, Texas, they stopped at 313 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:28.480 the Manned Spacecraft Center. 314 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:30.559 I don't understand why. 315 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:33.679 I don't know why that's relevant, but that very specific 316 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:36.200 statement comes up a couple times in fairy statements about 317 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:39.279 visiting the Manned spacecraft S Center. I don't know why 318 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:40.919 they did that. I just have no idea. I mean, 319 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:43.000 I as for a while I assumed they had something 320 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:45.240 to do with maybe the aerospace stuff or whatever, but 321 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:47.240 it just seems to be a loose end for now. 322 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:50.600 And they looked around for twenty minutes. They then proceeded 323 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:53.519 to Galveston, arriving there between ten thirty and eleven thirty PM. 324 00:15:53.799 --> 00:15:56.480 They immediately checked into Room seventeen at the Driftwood Motel 325 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:59.480 three one twenty eight Sea Wall Boulevard and Galveston. Ever 326 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:01.519 checking into the hotel, they drove around the vicinity of 327 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:03.840 some old clubs in Galveston, returning to the motel sometime 328 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:06.679 after midnight, possibly as late as one o'clock in the morning. 329 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:09.440 So that's the official story. That's what we're working on 330 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:12.000 with the story. Fairy stated he and his companions awakened 331 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:15.120 roughly at noon after having had breakfast, and went down 332 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:16.960 to Main Street to See's Roebuck and Company, where he 333 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:20.919 perched the jacket, sweater, and several other items. After leaving Sears, 334 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:23.320 they drove directly to the Winterland Ice Skating Rink twenty 335 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:27.320 four hundred Norfolk, which is at open to three thirty 336 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:30.200 pm and closed at five thirty pm. Ferry stated he 337 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:32.320 rented skates and skated at the rink for a while, 338 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:35.399 looking in the situation over and also taking into consideration 339 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:37.919 the amount of business at the rink. He stated that 340 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:40.399 he then introduced himself to Chuck Roland and spoke with 341 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:43.159 him at length concerning the cost of installation and operation 342 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:46.679 of the rink. Ferry exhibited a leaflet of the Winterland 343 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:49.279 Ice Skating Rink twenty four hundred Norfolk, which he had 344 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:51.919 in his possession. Fairry stated that during the time he 345 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:55.200 was talking to Chuck Roland, other employees of Roland were 346 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:57.200 present at the rink. He recalled specifically there was a 347 00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:59.840 young boy who was passing out skates and an older 348 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:01.360 man who was on duty at the rink, but does 349 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:04.000 not recall whether he was introduced to these individuals or not. 350 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:06.559 Fairy claimed he remained to Winterland for a period of 351 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:08.920 approximately two hours, and after leaving there, he returned to 352 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:16.359 the motel. Ferry stated that they arose around eight or 353 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:19.319 eight thirty am November twenty fourth, sixty three. After having 354 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:21.400 breakfast day he took the ferry across the bay to 355 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:24.240 pick up the road to Port Arthur that runs along 356 00:17:24.279 --> 00:17:26.680 the coast. Ferry stated the first stop they made after 357 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:29.319 reaching Port Arthur was at the Gulf Service Station on 358 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:31.279 the left hand side of the highway in Port Arthur, 359 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:33.279 where they purchased a new set of spark plugs for 360 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:36.319 the Comet Station wagon. He stated that there was a 361 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:39.480 television set in this station and he walked into the station. 362 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:42.440 There was a picture on the television set showing the 363 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:44.839 shooting of Lee Oswald in the basement of the Dallas 364 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:47.599 City jail. Ferry said he presumed he was looking at 365 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:49.839 the original live broadcast of the shooting, and that he 366 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:52.000 was in the vicinity of it was around twelve o'clock 367 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:54.640 noon on that date. He said that after changing the 368 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:57.200 spark plugs in the station wagon, he ran the car 369 00:17:57.240 --> 00:17:58.720 up on the rack in order that the attendant could 370 00:17:58.759 --> 00:18:02.160 check the transmission in differential. Ferry estimated he remained there 371 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:03.920 for twenty to thirty minutes. So this trip is on 372 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:05.400 the way home after they do all this stuff with 373 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:07.839 the winderland. They're on the way home. They're heading up 374 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:12.240 through Port Arthur and they stop here to get spark plugs. 375 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:16.480 They then left Port Arthur and drove to Orange, Texas, 376 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:19.240 and after crossing the Louisiana state line, and they stopped 377 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:20.640 at Buster's Bar and Restaurant. 378 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:21.400 He stated. 379 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:25.000 The operator of Buster's Bar and Restaurant is Marion James Johnson. Okay, 380 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:28.319 this is invented, and so I need you to note 381 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:32.759 Ferry's initial statement here. They stopped at Buster's Bar, Mary 382 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:36.000 and James Johnson's place on the way home on that 383 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:39.200 Sunday leading back to New Orleans. Okay, this is the 384 00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:42.960 first statement that Ferry makes which will be contradicted here. Shortly, 385 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:46.359 he stated he contacted Johnson at the bar and restaurant 386 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:48.440 talked to Johnson for thirty minutes discussing the status of 387 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:50.599 an appeal on a perjury conviction of Johnson a connection 388 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:54.839 with an income tax case on sheriff read at Lake Charles, Louisiana. 389 00:18:57.160 --> 00:18:59.599 A Coffee stated that Ferry picked up both Key and 390 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:02.079 Bobo on Friday evening, November twenty second, sixty three, and 391 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:04.240 they left New Orleans and Ferries Comet station wagon and 392 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:06.119 drove to John Paul's restaurant in Kenner. 393 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:07.079 Where they supper. 394 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:09.839 He said they left Kenner between nine and nine thirty 395 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:12.599 that night and traveled by way of Baton Rouge, Lafayette, 396 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:15.640 Ke Charles, and onto Houston. So Melvin Coffee, let me reiterate, 397 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:18.599 never went on this trip. Melvin Coffee is a name 398 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:22.319 being used by Leyton Martin's, and they even went so 399 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:25.759 far as to use Melvin Coffee's address and phone number 400 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:27.640 on documents here along the trip to make it look 401 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:29.640 like Melvin Coffee was on this trip, but he never was. 402 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:31.640 I don't know why they did any of this stuff. 403 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:34.720 Coffee stated. They arrived in Houston about four thirty am 404 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:37.160 November twenty third, sixty three checked into the Ala Motel. 405 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:39.319 He stated they did not leave the motel that morning, 406 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:42.240 but retired shortly after their arrival. He stated that to 407 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:44.480 the rest of his to the best of his recollection, 408 00:19:44.519 --> 00:19:47.039 they arose at approximately two o'clock and that the three 409 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:49.160 of them went to Sears Roebucking Company, where they purchased 410 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:51.359 jackets and sweaters. Coffee stated they then went to the 411 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:53.400 Winterland Skating Rink, where they went ice skating for a 412 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:55.720 while and later contacted the owner of the skating rink. 413 00:19:56.319 --> 00:19:59.000 Coffee related that Ferry was interested in the possibility of 414 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:01.240 opening a skating rink and Orleans and talk to the 415 00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:03.920 owner of the Winterland Skating Rink concerning the costs and 416 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:07.160 operator of installation and operation of a skating rink. Well, 417 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:09.039 that's funny because none of that stuff ever happens. 418 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:12.599 But so let me jump in now. Is Coffee the 419 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:16.119 real coffee giving this story. 420 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:20.039 Or yeah, he's obviously been fed and coached this story. 421 00:20:20.039 --> 00:20:23.079 And the absolute proof of that is the photographs of 422 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:26.119 Alvin Boboff and Layton Martin's in Daily Plaza, which we'll 423 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:30.160 get to here shortly. But yeah, so I don't know 424 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:32.359 why he tried to protect Layton Martin's. Out of the 425 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:35.200 two Alvin Boboff and Layton Martin's, Alvin Boboof was closer 426 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:37.079 to Ferry, So I don't know why he wouldn't try 427 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:41.759 to protect him. Why the whole name Shenanigan thing went on, 428 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:44.440 I don't understand. I don't see why they did that. 429 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:46.279 I don't see what the big deal would have been 430 00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:48.279 if he went with Layton Martins instead of Melvin Coffee. 431 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:51.079 But it'll become very obvious here in a minute that 432 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:54.640 Melviyn Coffee never went on this trip, And obviously the 433 00:20:54.640 --> 00:20:57.400 statements he's making don't jive with what really happened in 434 00:20:57.400 --> 00:20:59.920 the first place, considering nobody went on this trip, right, 435 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.720 Nobody left from New Orleans to go to Houston. Nobody 436 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:07.519 they went from Dallas down to Houston, not the other 437 00:21:07.519 --> 00:21:10.880 way around. And therefore Coffee is just straight lining here, 438 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:15.599 all right. Coffee said they arose early that morning, November 439 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:17.759 twenty fourth, After having had breakfast, drove to Port Arthur. 440 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:19.920 He said they then purchased set of spark plugs. They 441 00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:23.039 then drove through Orange, Texas after crossing the Louisiana state 442 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:25.359 line and stopped at a bar and restaurant operated by 443 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:28.000 an individual known to him by the name of Buster. Coffee, 444 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:29.920 said Fairy new Buster, and that after Ferry had a 445 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:34.319 conversation with Buster approximately one half hour, they proceeded to Alexandria, Louisiana. 446 00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:38.400 I still don't know why they went to Alexandria. Coffee 447 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:40.920 State's Alvin Bobuof had relatives in Alexandria, and they stand 448 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:41.960 to play their plan. 449 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:44.359 To socialize, but that seems to not have happened. 450 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:48.119 He said that after arriving Alexandria, David Ferry attempted to 451 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:51.559 contact Gil but was unsuccessful to contact him. Ferry then 452 00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:54.240 called his home and learned that late in Martin's that 453 00:21:54.279 --> 00:21:57.000 alleged allegations had been made involving Ferry in the assassination 454 00:21:57.039 --> 00:22:00.640 of President Kennedy. Coffee said that after learning, they immediately 455 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:03.400 returned to New Orleans, and then on arrival in New Orleans, 456 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:06.160 Ferry dropped him at his home. There's no recorded There's 457 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:08.599 no record of a phone call from anywhere to David 458 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:10.759 Ferry's residence at the time that he said this would 459 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:13.079 have happened. None of the calls in the that are 460 00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:16.319 relevant in this trip. Whatsoever were ever made to David 461 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:20.359 Ferry's residence so that statements a lie Coffee stated he 462 00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:22.400 never heard David Ferry make any statements that he thought 463 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:24.640 the president should be killed and has never heard him 464 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:27.359 outline any plans or make any comments as to how 465 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:30.640 this could or should be done. Now we come to 466 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.000 the top half of one of the most important documents 467 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:36.880 in reference to this trip. This is another FBI document 468 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:40.000 referenced David Ferry. November twenty eight, sixty three. Lee Fletcher, 469 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:42.839 porter of the Alamotel, made available the registration card for 470 00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:46.359 the twenty third November sixty three, which reflected the following information. 471 00:22:46.759 --> 00:22:49.119 David Ferry, Alvin Bob Buoth, Melvin Coffee checked into Room 472 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:52.359 nineteen alam Motel four thirty am, November twenty third, sixty 473 00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:56.519 three from New Orleans and stayed until November twenty fourth, 474 00:22:56.559 --> 00:22:59.759 which is Sunday, until eight or nine pm. 475 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:01.240 What did I just read? 476 00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:04.279 These guys left and they went to Galveston where they 477 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:06.920 stayed the night at the Driftwood in Galveston and checked 478 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:09.559 out about ten o'clock in the morning on Sunday, the 479 00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:13.759 twenty fourth So here we have the first overt contradiction 480 00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:16.720 of the trip. They're checked into two motels that night, 481 00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:21.079 So fundamentally the night of the twenty second, the twenty 482 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:28.519 third into the twenty fourth, you've got this utter contradiction 483 00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:32.039 here in the timeframe because they're checked in the Alamo, 484 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:34.640 they're checked into Driftwood, and here they're checking out of 485 00:23:34.680 --> 00:23:38.640 the Alamotel, like twelve hours or ten hours after they 486 00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:41.279 check out of the Driftwood. Doesn't make any sense, right, Well, 487 00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:44.799 obviously there was somebody else staying in that motel, right, 488 00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:47.359 they had two hotels booked to cover for the fact 489 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:49.920 that a group of people stayed at the Alamotel while 490 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:52.200 these guys were at the Driftwood. And we know this 491 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:55.519 because I don't think I have in a slide presentation here, 492 00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:58.839 but there was a blonde woman seen at the Alamotel, 493 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:03.680 one of the women that worked there. Why is that significant? 494 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:06.559 Who's the blonde woman in the story? Well, once you 495 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:08.960 come to realize Jack Ruby made his trip down to 496 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:11.799 Galveston this weekend and that Samuel Ruby was impersonating him 497 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:14.039 all through Dallas, who, now do you know is the 498 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:17.519 blonde woman who probably was accompanying Jack Ruby. It was 499 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:23.960 probably Candy Bar. Candy Bar in deep with the Israelis, 500 00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:28.559 sleeping with actively Mickey Cohen m and knock them began, 501 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:32.960 and so the blonde woman, I'm convinced Candy Bar and 502 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:34.839 she went out with Jack Ruby on his trip to Galveston. 503 00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:37.480 But we'll come back to that later. But this year 504 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:39.359 shows that there was they were checking into two motels 505 00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:40.960 that same night of the twenty third. 506 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:43.599 Now, let me also ask you about that check in 507 00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:49.839 real quick on that document there, Corey. At another point, 508 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:55.640 the porter originally wrote down the twenty second and said, well, 509 00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:57.720 so early in the morning, you know, the person who 510 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:00.359 checked them in, you know, made a mistake and he 511 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:02.720 probably meant to write, you know, the morning of the 512 00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:05.920 twenty third. What do you think of that? 513 00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:09.400 So I've spent some time on that exact issue, and 514 00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:14.640 either it's just as they say, which would make excuse me, 515 00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:16.559 it would make somewhat sense because David Ferry, you know, 516 00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:22.359 you gotta think he leaves from New Orleans and drives 517 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:24.480 and they would have been that night to check in. 518 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:29.000 So um, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I kind 519 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:29.839 of theorized at. 520 00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:31.920 One point that maybe they checked in on the twenty second, 521 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:34.359 somebody checked in on the twenty second and left the 522 00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:36.599 car there. I kind of thought that might have been 523 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:38.759 the thing, and then why they would change it to 524 00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:41.039 the twenty third later and then actually provide a statement 525 00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:42.880 to cover for that. It seemed a little extreme to me, 526 00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:47.119 so a little outside the realm of possibility. So I 527 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:49.960 don't think it's overly relevant unless there was a car 528 00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:51.759 dropped off there. I think that's the only thing that 529 00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:54.079 could account for that, other than exactly what the guy said. 530 00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:56.240 So I think those are our two options. 531 00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:58.319 It either happened just like he said, or somebody checked 532 00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:00.119 in the twenty second dropped a car off and then 533 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:02.000 they had to come back, and then somebody picked up 534 00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:05.359 a car. So that's kind of how I look at that. 535 00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:09.440 So the place that David Ferry allegedly went was the 536 00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:14.279 Winterland Ice skating Rink, which is formally known as the 537 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:19.559 Winterland Ice Arena. Fortunately I was I found a slew 538 00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:22.240 of photographs going back to the Winterland I think I 539 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:23.839 have him at the very end of this presentation. If 540 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:27.000 we have time, I'll show them. But this is a 541 00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:29.440 very rare photograph You're probably never gonna see anywhere else. 542 00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:35.160 All right, So now we have to talk about Roland 543 00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:38.359 Chuck Rowland. Roland Chuck Roland is the guy David Ferry 544 00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:40.440 shows up at the Winterland and he meets it, Roland 545 00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:43.200 Chuck Roland. Now, I don't know about you. I ain't 546 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:45.880 never met nobody named Roland Roland in my whole life. 547 00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:48.839 I ain't never met anybody named David David my whole life, 548 00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:52.200 or William William. Okay, so the odds is somebody being 549 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:54.559 named Roland Rowland. I thought we're about slim to none, 550 00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:58.039 and that was absolutely correct. So I just need to 551 00:26:58.039 --> 00:26:59.799 point out here that everybody in the chain of command 552 00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:02.039 here and this Kennedy assassination investigation went. 553 00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:04.680 Along with the fact that Roland Roland. 554 00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:09.079 Is using a fake name when he testifies before the committee. 555 00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:11.359 So let me go ahead and read this excerpt testimony 556 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:14.319 of Roland Charles Roland, taking in court February twelve, sixty 557 00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:18.119 nine before the Honorable Edward Haggerty, Judge, Section C. I'll 558 00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:21.319 skip over the preamble for the record. Would you state 559 00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:24.880 your full name, please, Roland Charles Roland. Okay, that's a 560 00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:26.799 lie right there. His name ain't Roland. I don't know 561 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:29.200 what the hell people's problem is, but they allowed him 562 00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:31.920 to say this in a court of law. Now, mister Roland, 563 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:33.519 calling your attention to the time you return to the 564 00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:36.519 ice rank, you have occasion to meet someone, Yes, who 565 00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:39.839 was that? A very unusual thing? A mister David Ferry. 566 00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:41.680 The reason this is such a memory to me was 567 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:44.079 because of the way he approached me. He had called 568 00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:46.960 the week before, several days before, asking about our services. 569 00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:49.160 We get many calls from people coming out of town 570 00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:51.279 from out of town because ice skating is an unusual 571 00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:53.640 thing to many people and they want to try the sport. 572 00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:55.920 Mister Ferry made quite a point. Actually, he made a 573 00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:59.920 bit of a pest of himself at the time. Mister Rowland, 574 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:01.519 I'm to show you an exhibit mark for purposes of 575 00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:03.920 identification S ten and ask you if you recognize the 576 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:08.200 person depicted. Yes, who is that person, mister David Ferry. 577 00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:12.160 So now we have Roland Chuck Roland testifying that he's 578 00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:14.480 identifying a picture of David Ferry. Is the man that 579 00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:17.200 he actually met in his ice skating rink, which will 580 00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:19.480 show here momentarily is impossible? 581 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:22.880 Who is that person? 582 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:23.000 It is? 583 00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:25.720 Mister David Ferry. Is that the man you're now talking about. Yes, 584 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:27.079 would you like a description of him? 585 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:27.759 Go ahead. 586 00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:30.799 He had a red hair war to pay in a 587 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:35.640 sort of ruddy complexion. Did you have a conversation with 588 00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:36.519 Ferry at that time? 589 00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:36.960 Yes? 590 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:39.680 I did. What was that he came in and made 591 00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:42.519 known that he was there as party himself and two others. 592 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:44.880 Was he with anyone at the time? He was by 593 00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:47.200 himself when he came up, but later he brought two 594 00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:49.279 others over and introduced them to me, but I do 595 00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:51.599 not recall their names. And frankly, he came back to 596 00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:53.599 me and talked to me. I was waiting on people, 597 00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:55.440 and he made quite a point of the fact that 598 00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:59.519 he was there. Mister Diamond says, I object to this conclusion. 599 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:04.480 You can testify as to how many times he met 600 00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:08.000 or spoke to you, but you're drawing a conclusion. Mister 601 00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:10.920 Alcock says mister Rowland. After this first encounter or introduction 602 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:12.519 by Ferry, did you have occasion to talk to him 603 00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:15.960 again that same afternoon? And this is where it gets important. Yes, 604 00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:21.160 how many times, approximately five? And what was said on 605 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:24.759 these occasions by Fairy nothing except to let me know 606 00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:26.640 that he was there, okay. So now we got a 607 00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:29.119 guy who doesn't really match a description of Fairy with 608 00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:31.640 a ready complexion in a red to pey. Okay. And 609 00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:36.680 now he's introducing himself five times just to let him 610 00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:39.359 know that he's there. Why would anybody on earth do that? 611 00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:42.799 Possibly to draw attention to themselves, to make it absolutely 612 00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:46.279 clear that David Ferry was at the Winterland five times. 613 00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:49.359 He says, I think you said that Ferry did not 614 00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:52.400 rent any skates. That is correct. He did not skate. 615 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:54.400 He spent most of his time walking around the lobby, 616 00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.759 looking in the pro shop and watching the skaters. He 617 00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:58.839 made a number of trips to the telephone booth and 618 00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:01.039 then to his two companions, and he was talking to 619 00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:04.119 his companions and talking to me on a number of occasions. 620 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:08.000 So Fairy already said that he went skating, and now 621 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:11.519 here we have Roland Roland saying Ferry didn't go skating. 622 00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:15.359 So here we have another big contradiction in the official story. 623 00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:19.720 Now with respect to your description of mister Ferry, which 624 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:22.000 the record will show, you did offer to describe him 625 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:24.359 and did describe him, did you not? I believe I did. 626 00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:26.880 You said he had on a twopey. Yes, and by 627 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:28.599 that you meant false hair. That's right. 628 00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:31.480 You said it was reddish brown. It was reddish in color. 629 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:35.000 Well that groomed? Was groomed? Are very messy looking? I 630 00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:35.839 was quite curly? 631 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.680 Is the way I would explain it. Would you term 632 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:42.400 it spotty? What is your definition of spotty? Appearances of 633 00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:44.079 having hair missing from it? 634 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:45.559 Now? 635 00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:49.119 Remember this is Saturday afternoon between three and five pm 636 00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:52.400 in Houston. All right, now, let me ask you with 637 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:55.359 respect to David Ferry's eyebrows, did you recall anything unusual 638 00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:58.519 about them? They were unusual, but I can't explain in 639 00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:03.319 what way do you recall they were unusual? Like possibly 640 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:06.640 they were plucked or some shape? You say, quite possibly? 641 00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:07.160 You saw them? 642 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:07.440 Yes? 643 00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:10.880 Were they bushy? You mean why bushy eyebrows? Well, let 644 00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:12.799 me help you just a minute. May I have the 645 00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.680 pictures of fairy please, I don't know the number. And 646 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:18.079 then by mister Diamond, I show you first the photograph 647 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:20.400 that has been marked for identification State eight mister Rowland, 648 00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:22.960 purporting to be a photograph of David Ferry after his decease, 649 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:26.599 and ask you to observe the eyebrow on that photograph. Yes, 650 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:29.920 I also show you another photograph mark for identification State ten, 651 00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:32.839 likewise purporting to be a photograph of Dave Fairy, and 652 00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:35.119 ask you to observe not only the eyebrows, but the 653 00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:38.599 back of the hair in the photograph. Okay, having seen 654 00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:40.599 these photographs, are you willing to give us any more 655 00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:42.880 detail and a detailed description of the appearance of Dave 656 00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:46.960 Fairy's eyebrows. Well, they appeared to me what I recalled full. 657 00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:49.960 They weren't plucked out, but they were like shaped up 658 00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:52.440 like a woman does hers in the sense of a word. 659 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:55.759 You'd say they were full. That is correct. Well, that 660 00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:57.640 doesn't make any sense either, does it right? Because David 661 00:31:57.640 --> 00:31:59.599 Ferry used to just paint them on. Now, there was 662 00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:04.160 some speculation that he had pasted hair onto his eyebrows, 663 00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:06.960 but I haven't found any pictures that substantiate any of that. 664 00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:10.799 So here we got a guy who's very tall, he's 665 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:15.359 got on a red to pey, and his eyebrows are 666 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:18.319 very full and wide and fluffed up. Okay, So not 667 00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.640 David Ferry, not in the least. And why is it 668 00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:25.920 that Chuck Roland would be willing to lie before the 669 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:26.920 Warren Commission. 670 00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:29.720 Well, we'll get to that here momentarily. 671 00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:32.400 Cot just to clarify, I think this is the clay 672 00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:33.039 Shaw trial. 673 00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:38.079 No, no, no, no, did he testify at clay Shaw? 674 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:40.400 I think this is from February twelve, the. 675 00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:42.759 Sex That's right, that's right, that's right. 676 00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:46.359 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're're correct, you're correct. How many times 677 00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:49.200 did fairy introduce himself to you? Approximately four or five? 678 00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:52.680 He mentioned his name on four or five occasions, Yes, sir, 679 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:57.799 he did. Did you consider this strange? Quite strange? So, James, 680 00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:00.519 when you introduce yourself to somebody, do you introduce yourself 681 00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:03.079 four or five times, making sure to mention your name 682 00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:03.880 every time? 683 00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:04.400 No? 684 00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:05.720 I don't think so. 685 00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:05.960 No. 686 00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:10.079 Recross examination by mister Diamond. One moment you say that 687 00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:13.000 fairy introduced himself to you five times? I said a 688 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:14.880 number of times, and each time there was quite a 689 00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:18.000 point made as to who he was. Didn't you say 690 00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:21.480 five times? I object, your honor, says mister Alcock. The 691 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.960 witness is not responding to my question. He has a 692 00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:26.440 right to explain the answer. He has a right to 693 00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:28.599 explain it. But I asked him nothing about the rest 694 00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:31.759 the courts has Let me advise the witness, and any 695 00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:33.680 answer mister Roland, when they ask you a question, you 696 00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:35.880 can either say yes or no, and if it calls 697 00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:37.759 for a yes or no, and you will be permitted 698 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:39.599 to explain your answer no matter how long it takes. 699 00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:43.079 Thank you, sir. Didn't you say he introduced himself to 700 00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:45.400 you about five times? I said about five times? 701 00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:45.680 Yes? 702 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:46.000 Yes? 703 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:49.759 In what words did he introduce himself to you upon 704 00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:53.400 these occasions through conversation? Did he say I am Dave 705 00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:54.319 Ferry five times? 706 00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:54.559 Or what? 707 00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:58.079 He pointed out his name, like I Dave Ferry this 708 00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:01.359 or that in conversation. So he's making a point to 709 00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:04.559 give the name Dave Ferry every single time that he's 710 00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:06.920 talking to this guy. Right, how about the first time 711 00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:08.519 he introduced himself to you? What did he say then? 712 00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:10.639 He said, I'm Dave Ferry. I'm the one that called 713 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:12.440 you from New Orleans about a skating party, and I 714 00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:15.559 have my party here. Was there anything unusual about that 715 00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:16.480 that first introduction? 716 00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:17.280 Yes? 717 00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:19.199 Because when I talked to him on the phone told 718 00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:21.119 him this is a public session, just come in and skate, 719 00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:24.440 you thought it unusual for him to identify himself when 720 00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:27.400 he comes in at a public skating session. I sure 721 00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:31.000 do it? Happens very very seldom. So here what's important 722 00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:35.159 is that Chuck Roland is pointing out that Ferry called him, 723 00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:37.039 and he's like, yeah, just come on in and skate 724 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:38.320 like you don't need me to do that. I don't 725 00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:39.960 got to hold your hand right now. That's basically what 726 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:43.559 he's saying here. So now Dave Ferry comes in, introduces 727 00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:47.079 himself five times, uses his name Dave Ferry all these 728 00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:50.079 different times, and he went out of his way to 729 00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:52.440 let him know that he was there. Okay, why is 730 00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:55.519 he doing this? He's drawing attention to himself. That's it. 731 00:34:55.880 --> 00:35:00.079 He's creating an alibi story because this zero possibility. The 732 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:03.039 man that this guy Rowland is talking to is Dave Ferry. 733 00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:08.079 Now you're now you think Roland knows that he knows 734 00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:09.320 that isn't the real fairy. 735 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:12.719 Absolutely, And we'll get to why he should know that 736 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:17.000 coming up in this presentation. So what do we got here? 737 00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:19.760 So here we got at Galves in Texas, probably talking 738 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:23.000 about the Driftwood on November twenty eight, sixty three, Mary 739 00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:26.119 do Verie Clerk Driftwood Motor Hotel thirty one, twenty eight 740 00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:29.920 Seawall Boulevard, galveson Texas exhibited hotel registration card three eight 741 00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:33.719 oh sixty eight, which reflected that Melvin S. Coffee, Alvin Boboof, 742 00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:37.559 and David W. Ferry registered at this hotel at eleven 743 00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:40.119 pm November twenty third, nineteen sixty three, and we're assigned 744 00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:42.159 room one seventeen. Now, remember they're still checked in at 745 00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:44.519 the Allen Hotel and somebody is staying there because they 746 00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:47.559 see the blonde woman there. They listed their address as 747 00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:50.119 six eighteen North Pierce, So there's been a lot of 748 00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:52.159 debate over the years on whose address this is. 749 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:52.559 Everyone. 750 00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:55.280 I've seen this list as unidentified address more times than 751 00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:59.119 I can count. It's not unidentified. That's Melvin Coffee's home address. 752 00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:03.119 Records reflected that they checked out November twenty fourth, nineteen 753 00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:05.719 sixty three. Time not listed. So they're checking out of 754 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:09.199 both motels on the twenty fourth. Kind of not possible 755 00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:14.360 unless you're like Schrodinger's Ferry Missus DOVERI stated that on 756 00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.960 November twenty fourth, sixty three, one of these individuals made 757 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:20.199 a telephone call to Alexandria, Louisiana. Again, I don't know 758 00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:23.159 why they went called the Alexandria or allegedly went there. 759 00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:27.199 Alvin Bobu's parents lived there, Clayshaw's parents lived there. There's 760 00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:29.440 an airport there, there's a fancy hotel there that the 761 00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:32.159 FBI investigated the hell out of. They went there for 762 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:33.880 one of those reasons, which one it is? I don't know, 763 00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:37.639 and talk three minutes and total charges were dollar five. 764 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:41.760 Telephone number called to Alexandria unknown. How is it possibly unknown? 765 00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:43.920 They got every other phone number in the world but 766 00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:46.039 not this one. Give me a break. How do they 767 00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:48.719 not have the phone numbers called from the Winterland by 768 00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:52.000 David Ferry? How is that possible? Because this is an 769 00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:57.400 intentionally obfuscated investigation. All right, So November twenty eight, sixty three, 770 00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:00.559 miss surely dial clerk Driftwood Motel. Recall the above three 771 00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:03.480 individuals checked out around ten am on November twenty fourth. Okay, 772 00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:05.480 so ten am on the twenty fourth, and here's where 773 00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:07.760 they start their trip. This is where they allegedly go 774 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:10.320 geese hunting and then go on their trip back to. 775 00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:12.360 New Orleans. 776 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:13.960 None of the story makes any sense because none of 777 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:18.719 it's true. The above registration card reflected that these individuals 778 00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:21.639 were driving a Ford station wagon bearing Louisiana Lisi plate 779 00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:24.519 seven eight four to eight, nine to five. But David 780 00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:26.840 Ferry doesn't own a Ford, does he. No, he does not. 781 00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:30.239 He owns a Mercury Comet station wagon. The cool thing 782 00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:33.280 about this little bit of trade craft they attempted to 783 00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:37.199 pull off here was that the Mercury Comet station wagon 784 00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:40.400 and the Ford Falcon station wagon are identical vehicles with 785 00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:46.880 different branding. Okay, there are two Ford Falcon station wagons 786 00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:50.119 light in color unknown color that are in the story. 787 00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:51.920 One of them was connected to Ferry. I covered it 788 00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:54.440 recently on my podcast talking about the David Ferry files, 789 00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:57.719 and so I think that that possibly could be where 790 00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:00.760 the Ford Falcon station wagon came from. Lord Falcon station 791 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:03.519 wagon was also observed up at the house on Belmont 792 00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:05.639 and Fort Worth at the same place that Kenneth Glenn 793 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:08.400 Wilson got arrested. Where I'm convinced David Ferry went and 794 00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:11.000 did a car swap that's connected to the David Wayne 795 00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:16.320 house stuff. But the Ford station wagon, he didn't have 796 00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:17.679 a Ford, he had a Mercury. 797 00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:17.960 Comment. 798 00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:20.599 This to me is kind of evidence that they were 799 00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:22.800 doing license plate swapping between two vehicles. 800 00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:25.719 Corey. If someone wanted to watch that listen to that 801 00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:28.199 podcast on the Ferry Files and your other work. Where 802 00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:28.639 do they go? 803 00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:32.639 Corey Hughes, Bloody History. I think I'd done like my 804 00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:36.360 last like ten episodes on Fairry. I probably got like 805 00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:38.840 a whole lot more. I'm trying to knock out that 806 00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:41.760 file that I got. There's actually okay, there's one document 807 00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:43.960 in particular that I'm looking for and it's in the 808 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:46.320 Ferry file somewhere and I can't find it. And that's 809 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:48.199 why I kind of did this whole series on Ferry 810 00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:50.079 just to find this one damn document. And when I 811 00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:51.280 find it, I'll let you know. But it's one of 812 00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:54.079 my favorite documents in all Kennedy research, and it basically 813 00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:57.199 puts a rifle in David Ferry's hand. And so when 814 00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:59.119 I when I when I find that, I will let 815 00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:01.320 you know because it's one of my favorite documents. It's 816 00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:04.679 like clear as day that he was involved in the assassination. Everyone, 817 00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:06.440 all the people in his circle around him seemed to 818 00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:09.559 know that before this thing happened, you know, So when 819 00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:12.079 I find that thing, will definitely cover it. Now, we 820 00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:16.920 got some notes here from Garrison or Garrison's office, the 821 00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:21.039 JG as Jim Garrison an observation on an American success story. 822 00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:26.800 Note re subsequent upward mobility of these four arrivals in 823 00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:30.800 Galveston in November twenty third, sixty three. In early sixty four, 824 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:33.400 Ferry and bo Booth jointly open a filling station which 825 00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:35.840 they got the money from blackmailing Carlos Marcelo. Probably not 826 00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:39.760 a good idea. Melvin Coffee hired by NASA at Mishaud. 827 00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:44.079 And then breck Wall moves from Dallas to Las Vegas, 828 00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:48.079 where he becomes a headliner for years at the Thunderbird, 829 00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:51.199 which was owned run by Lewis McWillie, but it was 830 00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:56.400 owned by Mo Dallas and Meyer Lansky. And so the 831 00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:58.320 point that he's making here is these four guys all 832 00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:00.320 had stuff happened for them after the assautha. 833 00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:02.239 Breck Wall. 834 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:04.599 The reason that brick Wall comes up in this is 835 00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:06.239 uh and I don't think I talk about it in 836 00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:09.199 this particular story, but allegedly Jack Ruby calls brick Wall 837 00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:11.639 down at the house of the McKenna's well. The McKenna 838 00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:14.719 is actually Robert McEwan. The So it's one of the 839 00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:18.079 worst alibis, every one of the worst aliases ever used. 840 00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:21.960 And so but that's totally false. Brick Wall, I don't 841 00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:24.559 believe ever went to Galveston. I believe the phone call 842 00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:27.599 from Ruby to breck Wall was actually brick Wall to 843 00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:30.519 Ruby because Ruby was definitely out in Galveston. And how 844 00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:33.400 how would Jack Ruby not check in on his buddy 845 00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:36.199 Robert McEwen while he's down there, which is exactly what 846 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:38.519 I think happens. So the whole brick Wall thing unrelated 847 00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:41.800 but totally totally conspiracy as well. 848 00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:48.239 How much in the document do you get more into Ruby? 849 00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:50.400 So I'll just ask the question. If we get into 850 00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:55.000 it later, we will. But Ruby went to his synagogue 851 00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:59.000 the night of the assassination. According that's correct, according to 852 00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:01.239 the rabbi, is about at eight o'clock at night. 853 00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:04.840 He estimated, Yeah, I don't buy that. I don't buy 854 00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:06.239 the Jack Ruby ever went there. I think that was 855 00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:10.400 Samuel Ruby because Jack Ruby had to leave to go 856 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:14.199 to Galveston, and he was seen there the next day 857 00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:17.000 in a sporting good store or a hardware store buying 858 00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.679 a gun. This is in the Warrant Commission documents. So 859 00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:23.239 he most certainly left to go to Galveston, where I 860 00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:25.639 believe he went to bring Andrew Jerome Blackman back to 861 00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:28.039 his boat, which was waiting for him at the Big 862 00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:32.480 Galveston Harbor. Why he went and not Samuel, I don't know, 863 00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:35.239 but to me that it's pretty obvious because Samuel is 864 00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:38.440 the one in the hallway of the police department. Samuel 865 00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:40.719 is the one at twelve forty five at w at 866 00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:43.400 the Dallas Morning News in the background on the telephone. 867 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.039 You know, we got all these pictures of Samuel Ruby, 868 00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:49.320 and it's not Jack. It's not Jack Ruby. Jack Ruby 869 00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:51.719 went to Galveston to take Jerome Blackman back to his boat. 870 00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:58.519 He doesn't get back to Dallas until late Saturday night. Yeah, so, 871 00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:01.519 but no, that he's some further clarification one hundred percent 872 00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:04.280 David Jack Ruby's trip and the other evidence about him 873 00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:08.639 going to Galveston, I need to flesh out and clarify 874 00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:11.960 a little more so, David William Ferry. The following investigation 875 00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:15.199 conducted by Joseph Kilgore at Port Arthur, Texas. They remember 876 00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:18.719 twenty eight sixty three William Frank Powell Week Service Station 877 00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:23.199 thirty six forty nine Gulfway Drive, Highway eighty seven, Port Arthur, 878 00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:25.760 Texas advis here on Sunday November twenty fourth, sixty three, 879 00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:28.559 about one or two pm, Three men in a light 880 00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:31.280 blue Commet station wagon stopped at the station. So if 881 00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:33.159 it's one or two pm, they were not They could 882 00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:37.559 not have watched Jack shooting Oswald on TV. The motor 883 00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:39.880 was not running smoothly due to an oil and spark plugs. 884 00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:42.760 They purchased a new set driver described as a white 885 00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:44.840 male in his early twenties. He was five foot nine 886 00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:48.079 to ten inches tall, probably bo Boof at that at 887 00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:50.639 that height, weigh one hundred and thirty forty one hundred 888 00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:52.199 and thirty one hundred and forty pounds, with light brown 889 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:54.519 hair cut short. One of the other passengers met with 890 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:58.000 the same description right bo Boof and Martin's pretty much 891 00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:00.679 the same description. Third passenger described was a white male 892 00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:03.320 thirty five to forty five. He was five foot ten 893 00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:07.079 to six foot tall, heavy build, dark hair. Powell stated 894 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:10.360 they did not disclose their origin or destination. These men 895 00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:13.239 watched television for a short time, believed to be after 896 00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.480 the actual murder of Oswald. Powell advised they seemed to 897 00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:18.679 be in somewhat of a hurry. Does not recall the 898 00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:22.639 direction they went when they left the station. No other 899 00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.639 pages in this document pertained fairy, and no pages in 900 00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:29.719 this document or classified. All right, this is this is 901 00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:31.320 how I this is one of then other indicators that 902 00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:34.599 this guy was not fairy. So William Frank Powelleek service 903 00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:37.840 Station Highway eighty seven, Port Arthuritex's advised in November twenty 904 00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:41.239 four to last in the early afternoon, three men in 905 00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:43.760 a light blue sixty one Comet station wagon. So so 906 00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:46.280 here they leave in a Ford Falcon from the hotel. 907 00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:48.000 But now we're back in a Comet station wagon, right 908 00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:51.239 because David Ferry drove the Ford Falcon back up to Hammond, 909 00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:54.239 and these guys took the Comet all the way back 910 00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.440 to New Orleans. That's why we have this conflict here. 911 00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:00.480 Driver described as a white male, early twenties, five nine 912 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.760 inches tall, five a ten inches tall. Uh one three 913 00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:06.440 zero to one four zero pounds. I'll skip over that stuff. 914 00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:10.519 This is what got me forty thirty five to forty five, 915 00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:12.519 five a ten inches tall, the six foot heavy build, 916 00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:14.320 dark hair, wearing dark trousers and. 917 00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:17.400 A cowboy hat. Okay, a cowboy hat. 918 00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:20.400 Have you ever heard or seen a picture of David 919 00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:24.280 Ferry wearing a cowboy hat. Absolutely not, it doesn't exist. 920 00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:26.039 David Ferry never wore cowboy hat. 921 00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:27.320 Familiar in can. 922 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:31.519 No way, no freaking way, okay. Who was known to 923 00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:35.000 wear a cowboy hat in this circle. Sergia Arcocha, who 924 00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:38.119 was the obvious guy to do this, the build, the 925 00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:40.719 relationship to Martin's and all that through. You know they 926 00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:42.679 did that break in at the armory, right, so these 927 00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:46.480 guys are super tight together Leyton Martin's and Alvin Bobouf 928 00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:51.119 and Sergeia Arcoca and so that come the cowboy hat 929 00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:52.920 combined with the build and all that stuff and the 930 00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:55.719 contradictions with Fairy. To me, it was pretty obvious that 931 00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:58.679 it was Arcoia, because remember this, the study of history 932 00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:00.480 is the study of relationships. Right, You're not going to 933 00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:02.000 go rob a bank with a guy you never met 934 00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:04.000 before and the stuff you're going to do. That's like 935 00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:06.760 killing the president. Only your super inner circle is going 936 00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:08.719 to be in on that. And our Katcha was most 937 00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:11.239 certainly as close as it gets to David Ferry on 938 00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:13.400 the inner circle, which is weird because our coach is 939 00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:15.280 kind of a gung home melting guy. It's surprising that 940 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:17.440 he would put up with like a homosexual, kind of 941 00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:18.880 weirdo who was hanging out with kids. 942 00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:19.280 You know. 943 00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.920 So our coach is a little strange too on that front. 944 00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:26.679 Number three described same as driver while waiting for repairs. 945 00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:31.239 Individuals watch TV as so the murder of Oswald. All right, 946 00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:34.800 so fairy interview by John vols DA's office, December fifteen, 947 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:37.400 sixty six. So now here we are, years later, three 948 00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:40.639 years later, three years later, we're going to be interviewing 949 00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:43.880 Ferry and we're going to see all the holes in 950 00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:45.960 his memory here. So did you take a trip on 951 00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:48.800 November twenty second? This is why John Voles Fairry says, 952 00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:51.159 whatever day, that day the verdict was rendered in the 953 00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:53.800 Marcello case, I took a week in vacation. Where did 954 00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:57.400 you go? H Houston, Galveston and Vinton. I had some 955 00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:00.920 business for Gil to take care of business? Was this 956 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:03.519 with Gil? One of his cases in federal court? Maryon 957 00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:06.400 James Johnson was on appeal. I forgot whether I was 958 00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:09.039 to ask him for money for a transcript or what 959 00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:13.280 you were going hunting? Did you take any weapons? 960 00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:13.880 Yes? 961 00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:16.519 Remember last time he said no because he didn't know 962 00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:20.199 about crossing state lines and stuff. Right, what kind well, shotguns. 963 00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:23.199 How many? Well, I assume offhand a weapon apiece. Right, 964 00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:25.400 So he doesn't even remember if he took weapons. He 965 00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:27.480 doesn't even remember what he told them three years ago 966 00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:31.639 because he wasn't on this trip. Like this trip didn't happen. 967 00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:33.800 This is like a total fabrication, just like the lunch 968 00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:36.679 room coke story. Ninety seconds after the assassination. They just 969 00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:39.320 made shit up. They straight up just made stuff up. 970 00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:42.360 Vole says, you went to Houston and went skating. Do 971 00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:44.400 you recall whether it was the same day he left here? 972 00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:47.320 We left at night, We stayed in a motel. Have 973 00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:49.760 to go back to the FBI for accuracy. Why would 974 00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:51.400 the FBI be the ones to know what his trip 975 00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:54.320 was like? Sometime that next day we went ice skating. 976 00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:57.280 I was the only one that knew how. Okay, So 977 00:46:57.360 --> 00:46:59.440 here we have two different statements years apart from David 978 00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:01.119 Ferry saying he went skating and he was the only 979 00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:03.400 one who knew how. But we just heard from Truck 980 00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:04.960 Rowland who was like, he never went skating. He just 981 00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.119 sat by the phone booth. Right, So there's lies upon 982 00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:09.519 lies here. Now, if this is an up and up story, 983 00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:10.719 why is everyone lying. 984 00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:16.599 And have we heard in the rehabilitation process that Fairy 985 00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:19.800 and his buddies were just nice guys, that the younger 986 00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.000 some of these younger guys were actually like kind of 987 00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:25.039 into skating or roller skating or something and that was 988 00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:27.719 like their way in to go. 989 00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:32.519 Yeah, so, so bo Boof made some statements that he 990 00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:34.920 had met some of the other guys who knew Faerry 991 00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:38.880 at the skating rink. I'm assuming he's meaning roller skating rink. 992 00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:41.440 I'm not sure that they actually believe it or not. 993 00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:42.920 I have never researched whether or not there was a 994 00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.119 damn ice skating rink in New Orleans. I think somebody 995 00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:46.679 else told me that there was, but I don't know. 996 00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:49.119 But yeah, skating rinks have come up. And why does 997 00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:51.599 skating rinks come up. Well, that's where you can traffic 998 00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:53.119 children and they're not going to look out of place 999 00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:55.239 bringing a kid somewhere, you know what I mean. So 1000 00:47:55.960 --> 00:47:59.679 I believe that's the ice skating rink connection. That's why 1001 00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:01.559 David Fairy knew about the bell air going all the 1002 00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:05.079 way back, and so yeah, I think the skating rinks 1003 00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:09.639 are quite nefarious when it comes to this story. Vole said, 1004 00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:11.320 did you rent your own skates or do you have 1005 00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:13.199 your own and fairy goes we rented them. I don't 1006 00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:14.960 think I have my own skates. I think we rented them. Well, 1007 00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:16.719 they very didn't rent any skates because he wasn't on 1008 00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:18.760 this trip and he didn't go ice skating, and he 1009 00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:21.440 told people that he did go skating, but we know 1010 00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:26.039 he didn't, so Vole says or asked, did you leave 1011 00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:28.400 for Galveston in the morning or night? Do you know 1012 00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:30.599 what you did when you got to Galveston besides finding 1013 00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:33.199 it dead? I remember the morning in Galveston because we 1014 00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:35.159 went out looking for bars and found the only thing 1015 00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:37.039 you could buy was beer. By our standards, here, it 1016 00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:39.960 was dead. It couldn't get deader. So far the vacation 1017 00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:42.360 had been falling on its head. It seems to me 1018 00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:45.920 it was inclement, some inclemency in the weather, coolness. I 1019 00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:47.960 don't know what we expected for November, but we wanted 1020 00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:50.400 something pleasant. I'm trying to recall whether I stopped at 1021 00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:54.559 Vinton on the way to Houston or coming back. See 1022 00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:56.719 he doesn't know. I can't remember because he wasn't there. 1023 00:48:57.480 --> 00:48:59.559 I think I might have my dates all mixed up here. 1024 00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:02.440 I think we stayed in Vinton that night, the night 1025 00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:04.599 of the twenty second, the night of whatever date we 1026 00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:06.440 left here. So now he doesn't even know when the 1027 00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:09.079 hell they got to the Ala Motel. The story changes 1028 00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:12.400 once again. We went to Mary and James Johnson's roadhouse, 1029 00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.559 a combination restaurant, bar, et cetera that was invented. Yes, 1030 00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:17.880 so now he's claiming they stayed in venting the twenty 1031 00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:22.960 second completely impossible. Do you recall where you stayed in Galveston? 1032 00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:23.440 No? 1033 00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:25.599 Do you recall where you stayed in Alexandria? 1034 00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:26.199 No? 1035 00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:29.840 My only source would be the FBI. How could you 1036 00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:32.679 possibly go on one of the most crazy trips in American 1037 00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:35.960 history the day the president gets assassinated and you don't 1038 00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:39.599 remember where you stayed? Okay, it's a lie, he remembers. 1039 00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:42.679 Let me ask you, Corey, in your time in police work, 1040 00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:48.760 when you get testimony from somebody three years after an event, 1041 00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:50.440 is it like this? 1042 00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:53.519 You know, I've never had that long of a follow 1043 00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:56.519 up on a case, because most of the time, if 1044 00:49:56.519 --> 00:49:58.400 you get a case that requires that kind of lengthy 1045 00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:00.400 follow up where you can't do anything for like months, 1046 00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:02.920 then that goes to a detective you worked it till 1047 00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:04.920 you can't anymore on the road, and then a detective 1048 00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:06.840 takes over. And so I've never had the opportunity to 1049 00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:09.639 interview someone years after the fact. And this is a 1050 00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:11.760 complicated case with an alibi and stuff. So as a 1051 00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:14.639 street cop, I never really had the opportunity to, you know, 1052 00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:19.000 to get a story like this from somebody. But if 1053 00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:23.400 you so me personally, I've been traveling my whole life 1054 00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:25.559 since I was like eighteen years old. I traveled around 1055 00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:27.559 the country following the band Fish. I've seen him at 1056 00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:29.760 least one hundred and fifty times. I can tell you 1057 00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:31.639 stories about every single place I ever went. 1058 00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:33.800 Okay, how to hell? 1059 00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:35.800 This one guy doesn't remember one thing on one trip 1060 00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:38.159 from three years ago is like totally mind boggling to me. 1061 00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:45.039 Uh So, obviously he's lying, all right. So the only 1062 00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:46.840 way I would know for sure is to call mister Wall. 1063 00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:48.400 Mister Wall, He's not talking about BRECKT. 1064 00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:48.559 Wall. 1065 00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:51.719 He's talking about FBI agent Wall, who also was involved 1066 00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:52.599 in this story. 1067 00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:54.880 All right. 1068 00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:56.960 So here we have a New York Times article or 1069 00:50:57.000 --> 00:50:59.320 a transcript of it. This was from the Garrison files 1070 00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:02.559 or Wiseber files, I believe. New York Times article by 1071 00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:04.920 Nan robertson February twenty fifth, sixty seven. It does a 1072 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:08.639 very great job of pointing out the contradictions in the 1073 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:12.280 story thus far so archives on Faerry's trip FBI reports 1074 00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:15.199 on testimony of Fairy and others left New Orleans about 1075 00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:17.920 nine pm November twenty second with two men. Houston Alla 1076 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:21.519 Motel registration card shows Ferry, Alvin Bobouf and Melvin Coffee 1077 00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:24.400 checked into Room nineteen at four thirty am November twenty third. 1078 00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:27.400 November twenty third date written over November twenty second date. 1079 00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:29.719 Porter said because as of early morning hours, but he 1080 00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:31.159 was sure it was November twenty third. 1081 00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:33.400 Porters Lee Fletcher records. 1082 00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:36.599 Show men stayed until Sunday, November twenty fourth, but this 1083 00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:39.239 conflicts with the card the FBI showed in Galveston, where 1084 00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:42.360 Mary Deveri, clerk at the Driftwood Motel, showed registration cards 1085 00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:45.880 showing same three men checked into Driftwall eleven pm Saturday, 1086 00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:49.239 November twenty third. Another clerk, Shirley Dial, said they left 1087 00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:51.920 about ten am on Sunday, November twenty fourth. So we 1088 00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:55.159 see the contradiction here already right caught in a published 1089 00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:57.880 article by nineteen sixty seven, right, So why the hell 1090 00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:01.559 in fifty sixty years nobody's focused on David Ferry and 1091 00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:03.280 putting him in Dallas. I really don't have any idea 1092 00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:05.519 when everybody seems to know his story was bunked the 1093 00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:10.280 whole time, right, it's really truly unbelievable. This conflicts with 1094 00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:12.239 the FBI card. I read that part triple A puts 1095 00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:14.960 Houston three hundred and sixty four miles or an eight 1096 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:18.880 to nine hour drivetime from New Orleans. Galveston fifty miles 1097 00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:21.159 from Houston about one hour, Dallas two hundred and forty 1098 00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:23.239 three miles or five and a half hours from Houston. 1099 00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:25.280 Remember there's no highway system back then, so things took 1100 00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:29.360 a little longer. Record cards for both motels list car 1101 00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:31.719 license as LA seven eight four eight nine to five. 1102 00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:34.679 Ferry told agents it was a light blue nineteen sixty 1103 00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:36.960 one Comet station wagon he had bought New Orleans several 1104 00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:39.760 weeks before. At Houston motel it was listed as a 1105 00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:43.239 Comet automobile. At Galveston it's a Ford station wagon. Right, 1106 00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:45.920 So you see we have two distinct automobiles here in 1107 00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:49.079 two different places, driven by two groups of people. David 1108 00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:52.079 Ferry and the Ford Falcon Arcotia and the kids in 1109 00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:56.559 the Mercury Comet at Houston Motel. Ferry made several long 1110 00:52:56.559 --> 00:52:59.440 distance calls motel records at one local and four to 1111 00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:03.360 New Orleans. Two of these are the radio stations w S, 1112 00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:06.519 H O and WDSH. There is no WDSH. It doesn't exist. 1113 00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:08.239 I drove myself crazy for a month looking for it 1114 00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:09.320 doesn't exists. 1115 00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:13.159 All right, other two town in country? 1116 00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:15.760 Go ahead, Yeah, let me ask you when move gone, 1117 00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:18.599 when we're going all those when you're following the band 1118 00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:21.760 and you checked into a hotel or motel, did you 1119 00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:25.480 call a Did you call radio stations while you're there? No? 1120 00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:28.639 I didn't, No, I didn't. So the radio stations, I 1121 00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:31.239 think are meant to mask phone calls. I think the 1122 00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:33.400 whole purpose of the radio stations is just a Remember 1123 00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:36.480 Carrie Thornley will stop in Alys, Texas at the radio 1124 00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:38.400 station to apply for a job, allegedly, but he makes 1125 00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:41.000 a phone call while he's there. He gives the name Oswald. 1126 00:53:41.559 --> 00:53:43.960 Obviously it's Kerry Thornley setting up Oswald. But he stopped 1127 00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:46.639 at a radio station there. Jack Ruby that morning goes 1128 00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:49.719 to the radio stations. You have the radio stations involved. 1129 00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:50.000 Here. 1130 00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:54.039 You've got Carry Thornley admitting to Jim Garrison that he 1131 00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:57.159 has multiple friends and strong connections at both WDSU and 1132 00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:59.639 w s h O, which was owned by Hank Greenspun, 1133 00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:03.360 by the way, And so the whole thing is wild 1134 00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:03.639 to me. 1135 00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:09.960 I thought the Stern family was w ds U. 1136 00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:14.239 Stern family. Yes, Hank Greenspun owned w s h O. 1137 00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:19.559 Remember Hank Greenspun owned the Sun newspaper in Las Vegas. 1138 00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.360 And for some reason, for some reason, in the fifties 1139 00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:24.199 and sixties, the CIA went out trying to buy up 1140 00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:26.039 a whole bunch of radio stations all over the country, 1141 00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:29.960 and they used people like Hank Greenspun as the you know, 1142 00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:36.920 benefactor for whatever reason. And yes, yes, yes, there's a 1143 00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:40.280 whole world there going on with the Israelis and the 1144 00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:43.480 gun running and Sonborne and all this stuff in the 1145 00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:46.519 fifties and sixties involving Hank Greenspun, who gets arrested or 1146 00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:48.320 he got he got busted, but then his name was 1147 00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:50.960 taken off the indictment for shipping weapons to in aeroplane 1148 00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:54.920 parts to Israel. Like our country was sunk before you 1149 00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:56.679 and I were born. My friend, it's really a shame. 1150 00:54:58.960 --> 00:54:59.280 All right? 1151 00:54:59.280 --> 00:54:59.880 Where was I on? 1152 00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:04.840 Here? Country owned by Marcello? 1153 00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:06.360 Right right down? 1154 00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:09.880 A country is owned by Marcello. They called the radio stations. 1155 00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:11.840 But this doesn't exist. So yeah, this is basically now, 1156 00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:15.079 this is just a showing the contradictions in the story 1157 00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:17.079 thus far. I thought it was a great summary. But 1158 00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:18.360 what did Faerry actually do? 1159 00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:22.280 All right? 1160 00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:24.400 So this is the most important stuff that kicks off 1161 00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:27.119 the entire assassination story. This is like, this is like 1162 00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:30.360 the first thing that happens, So I'm not going to 1163 00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:34.400 read this whole thing. This is Cedric Gervais talking to 1164 00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:38.679 Jack Martin, and basically this is where Jack Martin because 1165 00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:41.119 Jack Martin made a phone call to the FBI and 1166 00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:44.519 on the twenty second ratted David Ferry out. And basically 1167 00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:46.360 what he tells him is this, He said, I do 1168 00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:48.840 happen to know. I can't tell you how I know, 1169 00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:52.320 but it's damn reliable that Faerry was in Dallas at 1170 00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:55.400 least in Fort Worth two days before the assassination of 1171 00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:58.960 President Kennedy. Then it goes into I understand he was 1172 00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:00.960 the fly three people from there to Rado, Texas. You know, 1173 00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:03.400 all this stuff about pilots flying people out of Dallas 1174 00:56:03.519 --> 00:56:06.320 is totally bunk. Nobody flew out of Dallas except for 1175 00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:09.840 Seymour and Lauren Hall. I mean Lawrence Howard on the 1176 00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:13.639 on the CIA plane with Robert Vincent. Like nobody else flew. 1177 00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:16.360 Everyone else drove. So all to talk about looking for 1178 00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:20.800 planes and crashed pilots off the coast of Mexico. All bunk, 1179 00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:28.000 all right, So check Daily Star. This is from the 1180 00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:31.840 Garrison files, Hammond, Louisiana. Supposedly a graduate student presumed Southeastern 1181 00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:34.719 says Ferry hit out the night of the assassination in 1182 00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:37.760 a dorm in Hammond. There's an airport in Hammond. Also, 1183 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:40.679 the Homa Shaw's mother, athletic director Grady Martin might have 1184 00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:44.360 some info. There is zero info on athletic director Grady 1185 00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:48.559 Martin at all. So but yes, I one hundred percent 1186 00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:51.599 agree David Ferry was most certainly not in Houston. He 1187 00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:54.559 most certainly hit out the night of the assassination in Hammond. 1188 00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:57.960 And the student they're talking about is Frank J. Hlona Junior, 1189 00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:02.239 which we will get to hear momentary early. So the 1190 00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:05.239 story is that he goes there not the night of 1191 00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:07.360 the assassination, but that he does all this stuff he 1192 00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:10.480 goes on the trip to Houston and Galveston. That he 1193 00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:13.920 gets back to New Orleans, he realizes that the DA's 1194 00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:17.519 after him, and then he allegedly on that Sunday, the 1195 00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:20.400 twenty fourth, drives up to Hammond where he stays that 1196 00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:23.840 Sunday night into Monday in Hammond, Louisiana, before coming back 1197 00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:25.519 and meeting mc garrison in the afternoon. 1198 00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:29.559 A lot of driving for that, Yeah, that weekend, I. 1199 00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:33.440 Know, right, And so this is what Compton says. It's 1200 00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:35.719 very important we go over this word by word because 1201 00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:37.360 he's about to have his story blown out of the 1202 00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:40.800 water by his own roommate. Mister Compton continued to state 1203 00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:43.440 that on Sunday after the assassination, at five thirty am, 1204 00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:46.239 he was awakened by David Ferry in his dormitory bed 1205 00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:49.480 at the University of Southeastern in Hamon, Louisiana. Mister Compton 1206 00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:51.880 stated that until this day he's uncertain how Dave Ferry 1207 00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:55.000 located him on this date. That's a lie. At this time, 1208 00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:57.559 Dave Ferry was in hysterics and near tears as he stated, 1209 00:57:57.559 --> 00:57:59.559 the police are at my home and have taken my things. 1210 00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:02.559 Compton stated that Dave Ferry did not elaborate on my 1211 00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:05.239 things and stated that Faerry also related he didn't do 1212 00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:07.159 anything wrong. Well, let me point on Matt real quick, 1213 00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:10.719 Sunday morning, at five thirty in the morning, it is 1214 00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:13.440 absolutely one hundred percent impossible for any of these events 1215 00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:16.039 to have occurred because none of these events occurred until 1216 00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:19.599 after midnight on Monday. It was not until after midnight 1217 00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:21.679 on Monday that the cops show up at David Ferry's house, 1218 00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:25.760 arrest Bobouf and Martin's searched David Faery's house find all 1219 00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:28.039 kinds of guns and explosives and all kinds of stuff. 1220 00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:31.119 That is after midnight Sunday into Monday. So for him 1221 00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:34.079 to say Sunday after the assassination of five thirty is 1222 00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:37.360 completely wrong. In regards to the rest of the story 1223 00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:39.880 he relates about. David Ferry says there's some things missing 1224 00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:42.960 some then official story is that he's still in Galiston 1225 00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:48.960 at this point. Yeah, right, correct, right, yes, So Compton 1226 00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:51.440 has just screwed up on his timing because Compton, I 1227 00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:54.280 promise you, was awakened by Fairry at five thirty in 1228 00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:56.639 the morning on this Sunday that he's talking about. But 1229 00:58:56.679 --> 00:58:58.679 it was not connected to the story that he gave him, 1230 00:58:58.679 --> 00:58:59.880 and I we'll get to that here momentarily. 1231 00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:02.400 But in nineteen sixty three, you can just roll up 1232 00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:04.960 to a college and just find a dorm and go 1233 00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:07.199 up to the guy's dorm room and enter the dorm 1234 00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:09.800 and then just stand over a bede. 1235 00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:12.840 I guess, so, I guess, so that's creepy. I guess 1236 00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:14.840 security wasn't what it was back, you know, back in 1237 00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:15.239 the day. 1238 00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:18.119 So and then he goes. 1239 00:59:18.159 --> 00:59:20.079 The two talk for a while on different unrelated subjects, 1240 00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:22.159 and then Ferry made two calls to New Orleans. Compton 1241 00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:24.960 believed they were to gra Gill. Compon said Dave Ferry 1242 00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:28.239 left approximately eight thirty am the same morning. Believed he 1243 00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:31.239 returned to New Orleans in a Ford Falcon station wagon 1244 00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:34.320 painted light blue. Here we go a second distinct reference 1245 00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:36.880 to the Ford Falcon station wagon painted light blue. But 1246 00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:39.599 we know that the Mercury Comet station wagon was on 1247 00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:41.559 its way back to New Orleans where it stopped that 1248 00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:46.280 week service station. Right, So clearly two distinctly different vehicles. 1249 00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:51.719 Not a mistake in the description. Compensated he never met Lee. 1250 00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:52.039 Harvey. 1251 00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:53.960 Oswald also said he could not connect him in any 1252 00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:56.880 way with cap only knowledge of Oswald came from mister 1253 00:59:56.920 --> 01:00:00.960 Bill Wolf, who headed the New Orleans Astronomers, which doesn't 1254 01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:03.440 make any sense whatsoever. The connection between Bill Wolf and 1255 01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:05.960 Thomas Compton should not exist. I don't know why it 1256 01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:08.159 does at some Harvey and Lee stuff. I'm not going 1257 01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:10.760 to cover that today. But that statement by Compton that 1258 01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:14.400 he knew mister Bill Wolf is wild, straight up should 1259 01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:16.320 not be. It should not be the case. But it's 1260 01:00:16.360 --> 01:00:21.920 a whole different conversation there, all right. So this is 1261 01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:26.639 the most important Kennedy document of all time, all time. 1262 01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:29.360 Like people will give us the documents, dude, we got 1263 01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:29.920 the document. 1264 01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:30.559 This is it. 1265 01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:33.599 Okay, the most important Kennedy document of all time. I 1266 01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:36.599 will put my I will stake my life on that statement. 1267 01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:38.719 All right, here we go. 1268 01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:42.199 In the fall of nineteen sixty three. This is from 1269 01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:45.880 Frank J. H Alona, Junior, Thomas Compton's actual roommate at 1270 01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:48.000 the time that David Ferry came and stayed with them. Okay, 1271 01:00:48.920 --> 01:00:50.960 in the fall of nineteen sixty three, my roommate was 1272 01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:54.519 Thomas Compton. We were residing in Holloway Smith Hall, Southeastern 1273 01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:58.400 Louisiana College. I think that on approximately November twenty second 1274 01:00:58.519 --> 01:01:01.599 or November twenty third, he told me that a friend 1275 01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:04.639 of his would be staying in our room. Okay, this 1276 01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:07.840 is significant because Compton told the FBI he had no 1277 01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:10.639 idea how Ferry found him. He just showed up one 1278 01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:13.559 day out of the blue. But that's not true because 1279 01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:16.000 Frank Selona is saying something to the complete opposite of that. 1280 01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:19.119 He said that his friend told him that they would 1281 01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:21.079 have a friend staying in the room, so he knew 1282 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:23.760 that he was coming. Okay, So Thomas Compton is a liar. 1283 01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:26.360 He probably got diddled by Fairry ten years prior in 1284 01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:29.920 the Civil Air Patrol, and so why he's willing to 1285 01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:32.280 give him an alibi I don't know, but obviously he lied. 1286 01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:36.519 The reason for this person staying was said to be 1287 01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:41.280 that he could be where many people could see him. Hello, alibi, 1288 01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:44.400 al he's just explaining analeb. What an alibi is? Okay, 1289 01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:47.480 this is exactly what happened. I was told his name 1290 01:01:47.559 --> 01:01:50.280 was Dave. I don't remember for certain whether I was 1291 01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:52.679 ever told his last name. I was told that he 1292 01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:55.480 was a psychologist. Okay, so are we talking about David Ferry. 1293 01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:59.159 Of course we are I even clipped from the directory 1294 01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:02.639 that year David Fairy psychologist right here, which was in 1295 01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:05.960 the local phone directory at Louisiana Avenue Parkway. 1296 01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:10.760 And my name Dan by the way, yeah, right, right right. 1297 01:02:11.360 --> 01:02:12.880 He got all those fake degrees, you. 1298 01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:16.239 Know, Barrie University, Phoenix, Nerva, whatever. 1299 01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:21.719 Phoenix University. So I was told that he was a psychologist. 1300 01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:24.400 On the twenty third of November, in the afternoon or 1301 01:02:24.440 --> 01:02:26.800 perhaps the evening, so we're talking Saturday, in the afternoon 1302 01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:29.400 or the evening, I went to my room and found 1303 01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:32.480 the man sleeping in my roommate's bed. His back was 1304 01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:34.400 to me, so I couldn't see his face at the time. 1305 01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:37.719 I noticed, however, that he was sleeping fully clothed and 1306 01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:40.119 with his hat on. At this time, I also noticed 1307 01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:43.039 that his hair was very strange looking. I believe I 1308 01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:45.719 was introduced to him later on in the evening, but 1309 01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:47.960 I don't remember the nature of the introduction or what 1310 01:02:48.079 --> 01:02:49.920 was said, except that not much was set at all. 1311 01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:52.360 I asked my roommate about this man, and in particular 1312 01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:54.440 about his hair, and he told me he was bald, 1313 01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:56.599 and that he paced the theatrical hair at the point 1314 01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:59.280 where his hat met his head. I'm not certain that 1315 01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:01.320 he spent the entire night in the room, or that 1316 01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:03.000 he spent even more than a few hours in the 1317 01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:05.320 early evening. The next time I saw him was Sunday 1318 01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:07.800 morning in the lobby of the dormitory. It was very 1319 01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:10.039 crowded as everyone was watching the funeral on TV. The 1320 01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:12.880 funeral wasn't till Monday. I believe I saw him. I 1321 01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:15.039 don't think I saw him after the Sunday morning. Later 1322 01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:17.079 that day, my roommate told me that he David gone 1323 01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:19.039 back home. I don't know how we got home. Perhaps 1324 01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:21.679 my roommate drove him. At a later date, my roommate 1325 01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:23.599 disclosed to me that he had either known or had 1326 01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:25.960 heard of Lee Harvey Oswald through the Civil Air Patrol, 1327 01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:28.000 of which he was a member for a short time. 1328 01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:30.079 So I don't know if you can see it, but 1329 01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:32.519 this is the most important Kennedy document of all time period. 1330 01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:35.440 This debunk's David Fairy's alibi story shows that he was 1331 01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:37.679 never at the Winterland. Why did he fabricate an alibi 1332 01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:40.400 about the Winterland? Obviously because the guy was in Dallas, Okay. 1333 01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:43.639 This to me starts the flow of dominoes that leads 1334 01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:46.760 right to the Grassy Knoll, and I don't understand how 1335 01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:50.920 in sixty goddamn years nobody else could point this out. See, 1336 01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:53.239 I don't get proud that I saw stuff like this. 1337 01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:56.119 This makes me angry. I had to waste the last 1338 01:03:56.119 --> 01:03:57.760 eight years of my goddamn life on this when someone 1339 01:03:57.760 --> 01:04:00.679 else could have done it. Jesus Christ, Like, I swear 1340 01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:03.039 to God, this is my biggest complaint with the JFK 1341 01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:05.920 research world. The answers are right there in front of us, 1342 01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:09.800 and they've been there for sixty years. Okay, that's my rant. 1343 01:04:09.800 --> 01:04:10.400 I'm gonna move on. 1344 01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:11.280 God. 1345 01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:13.960 Has anyone, by the way, has anyone in the years 1346 01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:16.360 so you put out your book in twenty twenty three, 1347 01:04:17.119 --> 01:04:21.599 we've been out there weekly almost whatever, we'll have you 1348 01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:22.679 on talking about it. 1349 01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:26.559 Has anyone come out and said, look like, yeah, I 1350 01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:29.599 mean we've been looking at this wrong. No. 1351 01:04:30.199 --> 01:04:31.119 No, you have two camps. 1352 01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:33.360 You have people who either see it, agree with me, 1353 01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:37.280 and are and acknowledge what's going on. And then you 1354 01:04:37.360 --> 01:04:40.679 have every other Kennedy researcher in the world who either 1355 01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:45.039 ignores it, pretends it doesn't exist, doesn't acknowledge it, hasn't 1356 01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:48.400 ever reviewed it, or doesn't seem to think I'm correct 1357 01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:50.320 in some way or shape or form, because you happen 1358 01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:52.119 to be in court Recrlo's most sallow that morning. 1359 01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:54.760 It's like it drives me up up a wall. 1360 01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:58.920 So there's two things up in the document. I wish 1361 01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:02.559 maybe was which was a little more clear, Like when 1362 01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:05.599 he says I approximately the twenty second or twenty third 1363 01:05:06.280 --> 01:05:08.400 he wasn't. He doesn't even quite know that, and then 1364 01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:10.519 he and then he screws up the Sunday morning thing 1365 01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:11.440 you want. 1366 01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:13.320 To write right, Well, you have to think they had 1367 01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:18.159 they had three days of Kennedy funeral on television Saturday, 1368 01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:21.440 Sunday and Monday. They had three full days on television 1369 01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:26.519 of coverage, Yeah, coverage of stuff. So that's probably why 1370 01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:28.360 he said that about the twenty second. But we know 1371 01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:31.880 he stayed there over that night, because that's the official story. 1372 01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:34.880 He drives up to Hammond from New Orleans and stays there, 1373 01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:35.920 and so we know that's what happened. 1374 01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:39.559 The other Yeah, one way or the other. Hammond factors 1375 01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:46.320 in and so so the official story is that, Okay, 1376 01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:48.679 I'm in New Orleans, but now I gotta get I 1377 01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:51.159 just came home, but now I gotta leave again, and 1378 01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:52.480 I go to Hammond. 1379 01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:54.920 Right, I don't think he never went He never went 1380 01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:57.039 to New Orleans. He stayed in Hammond because it was 1381 01:05:57.039 --> 01:05:59.239 Sergei Arcachi who was with the kids on the trip, 1382 01:05:59.239 --> 01:06:01.760 and so they go back, serge ar Kotta drops the 1383 01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:04.280 kids off, and then Serger Arcotta, I don't think he 1384 01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:05.960 was he living in Houston or Dallas at the time. 1385 01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:07.519 He probably drops them off and then goes back to 1386 01:06:07.519 --> 01:06:08.159 wherever he was. 1387 01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:11.519 Houston does sound familiar. Houston does sound familiar at that 1388 01:06:11.559 --> 01:06:12.599 for him that time. 1389 01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:14.760 Yeah, or what he probably did was because he was 1390 01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:18.519 driving David Faerry's Mercury Comet. He probably drove the kids 1391 01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:20.920 back to the place, parked the Mercury Comet in front 1392 01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:23.480 of the house, and then found another way back. And 1393 01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:26.360 then David Ferry went and returned his Ford Falcon station wagon, 1394 01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:28.360 goes home, and then you got the Ford the Mercury 1395 01:06:28.360 --> 01:06:30.920 Commet waiting for him. So that's kind of the series 1396 01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:32.280 of events that I see happening there. 1397 01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:34.480 Yeah. Yeah, Well, the other thing I want to mention 1398 01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:39.239 too is this this visual of this guy who claims 1399 01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:41.559 to be a psychologist and that hey, you can just 1400 01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:47.679 do you ever live in the door. No, this idea like, hey, 1401 01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:51.280 I got a buddy coming, that's common, right, It's a weekend. 1402 01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:53.840 It's like he's gonna be here. Okay, you know, my 1403 01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:57.440 roommate's got a guy coming. That's fine. Uh. The fact 1404 01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:02.159 that he's sleeping with his clothes on, with that hat on, uh, 1405 01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:08.400 it just fits more rationale than standing over a bed 1406 01:07:08.440 --> 01:07:10.320 at five point thirty in the morning talking about my 1407 01:07:10.519 --> 01:07:13.719 you know, they've taken my things, which doesn't even corroborate 1408 01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:19.400 the time frame anyway. So there's some honesty here. And 1409 01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:21.079 I'm not just trying to let you know, back you 1410 01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:24.039 up on this. I'm just saying, just a story, there's 1411 01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:27.760 more honesty in the story. It feels more real. 1412 01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:31.239 Yeah. And why would David Ferry be wearing all his 1413 01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:34.079 clothes because he just chilled the presidence and drove six 1414 01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:37.559 or eight hours. He's just, oh my god, exhausted, you know, 1415 01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:40.480 and he just got to the bed and probably collapsed, 1416 01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:42.280 like his whole body just collapsed on it. 1417 01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:42.760 You know. 1418 01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:44.840 So all of this makes perfect sense to me. The 1419 01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:47.760 contradiction in the story with Thomas Compton totally debunked by 1420 01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:49.960 Frank Jelona. I mean, this guy is a hero. To me, 1421 01:07:49.960 --> 01:07:51.280 I wish I had a picture of this guy. I'd 1422 01:07:51.280 --> 01:07:56.079 put it on my wall. You know, zero information on 1423 01:07:56.119 --> 01:08:00.719 mister Scholona other than the statement wow. So but to me, 1424 01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:04.440 I can't. I've gone through hundreds of thousands of pages 1425 01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:07.840 of documents. Nothing compares to this piece of paper. With 1426 01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:10.400 the exception of like Kerry Thornley's fifty page aff of 1427 01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:14.559 David and the one document of on David Ferry. I'm 1428 01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:18.520 looking for that I haven't come across yet. Where Basically, 1429 01:08:18.520 --> 01:08:20.359 I got a bunch of kids in a cart. They 1430 01:08:20.359 --> 01:08:22.000 stop at a gas station and they're talking to this 1431 01:08:22.039 --> 01:08:24.319 guy about how Dave's gonna kill Kennedy. I mean, it 1432 01:08:24.399 --> 01:08:25.199 was pretty wild. 1433 01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:30.159 I've listened or the second it's. 1434 01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:32.039 It's in one of them. It's in one of the 1435 01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:34.319 two David Ferry. There's two David Ferry files. One about 1436 01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:35.880 four hundred fifty pages, the other one is about three 1437 01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:36.760 hundred and fifty pages. 1438 01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:37.760 It's in there somewhere. 1439 01:08:38.119 --> 01:08:40.319 These kids, all these guys stop at the gas station 1440 01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:43.279 and they tell the clerk at the gas station Kenny's 1441 01:08:43.319 --> 01:08:45.119 Kennedy's coming to town. But we got this guy, Dave 1442 01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:46.560 for the rifle, who's going to take care of it. 1443 01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:50.479 I'm like, what great document. Great document. It's in there somewhere. 1444 01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:53.560 I gotta find it, all right, So this is David 1445 01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:58.079 Fairy's actual timeline, ferries in Fort Worth on November twenty 1446 01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:03.640 at sixty three. As for Jack Martin, Jack mart because 1447 01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:07.239 there's some definite obfuscation over the real man's identity. I 1448 01:09:07.279 --> 01:09:11.960 don't know if you've read Coup in Dallas yet by Alborella. Yeah, 1449 01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:15.640 he talks about you know, Lafitte was in New Orleans 1450 01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:19.159 at this time, and Lafitte was a tactical mastermind, and 1451 01:09:19.239 --> 01:09:22.199 Jack Martin was an alcoholic, you know, back Alley abortion 1452 01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:24.359 guy who was never in the military, who'd had no 1453 01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:27.119 tactical training. But some of the statements made by Jack 1454 01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:32.079 Martin allegedly were extremely highly tactical in nature, far outside 1455 01:09:32.119 --> 01:09:35.039 the realm of what Edward Suggs would have ever known. 1456 01:09:35.399 --> 01:09:38.520 And so there is a big I think Alberelli puts 1457 01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:40.359 some very good emphasis on the possibility that we need 1458 01:09:40.399 --> 01:09:43.079 to really do some work into the true identity of 1459 01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:46.079 Jack Martin, because he believes that Lafitte was using Jack 1460 01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:48.359 Martin's identity at some point in time, that it's. 1461 01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:51.600 Jack Lemon by the way in Oliver Stones movie right. 1462 01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:56.079 So then ferries in Dallas eleven twenty two sixty three, 1463 01:09:56.119 --> 01:09:58.319 where he is one of two shooters in the area 1464 01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:00.000 of the knoll. He is one of the two shooters 1465 01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:03.039 tip It along with Kerry Thornley. He then flees and 1466 01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:05.439 hides out in Hammond, Louisiana the night of the twenty 1467 01:10:05.479 --> 01:10:10.520 second As per the Garrison memo, Ferry chilonis he's Ferry 1468 01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:13.439 sleeping on Saturday, November twenty third, sixty three in the 1469 01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:16.720 afternoon or evening in Hammon, Louisiana, and this confirms Ferry 1470 01:10:16.760 --> 01:10:18.760 never went to the Winterland. If he's seeing him in 1471 01:10:18.760 --> 01:10:21.199 the bed on Saturday, he's not at the Winterland. It's Arcota. 1472 01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:23.359 So he goes to the Driftwood motel and he checks 1473 01:10:23.359 --> 01:10:26.880 in at eleven pm. Thomas Compton then puts Fairy and 1474 01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:29.800 Hammond at five thirty am Sunday eleven twenty four till 1475 01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:32.439 eight thirty am. See this is where Thomas Compton screwed up, 1476 01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:36.119 because if David Ferry drives down to Galveston, checks into 1477 01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:39.520 the Driftwood at eleven o'clock and then drives immediately back 1478 01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:41.880 to Hammond, he would show up about five thirty in 1479 01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:44.039 the morning Sunday, which is what I think happened. He 1480 01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:47.199 got back to Thomas Compton's plays five thirty Sunday, but 1481 01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:50.319 the events that Thomas Compton relayed wouldn't happen till the 1482 01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:52.520 next day, and so therefore he kind of smushed his 1483 01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:53.840 two stories together. 1484 01:10:55.159 --> 01:11:01.319 You have Faery leaving that dorm room in Hammond, simply 1485 01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:06.399 driving down to Galveston. Yes, check a check into the Driftwood. 1486 01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:08.720 But hey, I'm here, I'm you know, Davari, I'm here 1487 01:11:08.720 --> 01:11:10.600 to check in right at the desk. And then he 1488 01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:15.840 gets get into his car and leaves. Yes, another vehicle. 1489 01:11:17.239 --> 01:11:18.960 No, he's probably still in the He's still in the 1490 01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:21.439 Ford Falcon station wagon at this time. And why did 1491 01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:23.079 he do that instead of just letting the guys check 1492 01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:25.239 into the motel. Well, he probably had to meet with 1493 01:11:25.279 --> 01:11:28.399 them for some reason. There's probably some other factor that 1494 01:11:28.439 --> 01:11:31.680 I'm unaware of that he needed. He probably needed to 1495 01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:33.079 go down. Yeah, it might have been money, it might 1496 01:11:33.119 --> 01:11:35.760 have been something they needed, you know, whatever it was, 1497 01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:38.880 he probably had to meet with them down there. Jack 1498 01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:42.840 Ruby should be in Galveston at the same time, right Saturday, 1499 01:11:43.119 --> 01:11:45.399 and so maybe he's meeting with Jack Ruby. All these 1500 01:11:45.399 --> 01:11:46.960 guys know each other. I mean, it's not like they 1501 01:11:47.600 --> 01:11:49.680 don't know each other, and so who knows. 1502 01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:50.039 I don't know. 1503 01:11:50.079 --> 01:11:51.960 And this is probably where all this stuff with Monte 1504 01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:53.720 de Monte comes in, where something went on down there. 1505 01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:55.640 I don't know what happened, but something went on down there. 1506 01:11:55.760 --> 01:11:58.840 It probably did happen. That's Saturday night, the twenty third. 1507 01:12:00.039 --> 01:12:01.800 But then yeah, David Fairy checks in the motel and 1508 01:12:01.840 --> 01:12:03.960 then drives back to Hammond, where he probably shows up 1509 01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:05.800 around this five point thirty in the morning on Sunday, 1510 01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:08.119 which is about the time that Thomas Compton states. But 1511 01:12:08.159 --> 01:12:11.000 none of the events that Thomas Compton relaid about they 1512 01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:13.039 take some of my things, none of that happens for another, 1513 01:12:13.159 --> 01:12:16.199 you know, like twenty hours. So he obviously mixed up 1514 01:12:16.199 --> 01:12:20.439 his story there. And then Chilona puts Fairry and Hammond 1515 01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:22.720 on eleven twenty five in the morning during Kennedy's funeral, 1516 01:12:22.720 --> 01:12:24.399 and then Fairies in New Orleans where he meets with 1517 01:12:24.439 --> 01:12:28.560 Garrison on the twenty fifth that afternoon. I still will 1518 01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:32.000 never be It always blows me away how quickly they 1519 01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:34.199 almost had this whole thing wrapped up like on Monday, 1520 01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:36.520 by having David Faerry in Garrison's office. I mean, that's 1521 01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:38.960 how close they were all thanks to Jack Martin being 1522 01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:39.960 a drunk rat. 1523 01:12:40.279 --> 01:12:43.960 And Garrison, as we know, doesn't buy the story from 1524 01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:48.520 the outset, right, remember right, Yeah, he finds it completely 1525 01:12:49.199 --> 01:12:53.600 ridiculous's mind blowing. And I wonder if this is where 1526 01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:56.960 a lot of people shut down, because we're not even 1527 01:12:56.960 --> 01:13:00.159 talking about Fairy actually what his actions actually are. In 1528 01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:02.720 the afternoon on the twenty second in the Knoll and 1529 01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:05.920 in o'cliff, we're talking about this official story that we've 1530 01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:09.399 been told, and I think I think you folks are 1531 01:13:09.439 --> 01:13:14.439 struggling to accept it. It's just because it's it's been 1532 01:13:14.479 --> 01:13:19.359 so ingrained Corey as the ice skating rink and everything 1533 01:13:19.439 --> 01:13:23.199 like that. Yeah, so you might have to give people 1534 01:13:23.520 --> 01:13:26.039 a rote there to kind of to give them time 1535 01:13:26.119 --> 01:13:28.960 to come around. Maybe another sixty years or so. 1536 01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:33.239 Yeah, another sixty years is about right, you know? So 1537 01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:36.800 what's next? All right? So this I threw this in here. 1538 01:13:36.840 --> 01:13:38.000 I'm not going to read the whole thing. This is 1539 01:13:38.039 --> 01:13:40.399 the Clara Flornoy Gay statement. This was just to give 1540 01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:42.800 some backup to the idea that Ferry was involved. 1541 01:13:43.760 --> 01:13:44.039 Missus. 1542 01:13:44.079 --> 01:13:46.800 Gay goes to Gill's office and she sees that they 1543 01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:50.319 were cleaning out Fairy's desk. She's obviously dealing with Alice Guidros, 1544 01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:56.000 who's a total lying bitch. Also just the secretary. 1545 01:13:55.560 --> 01:13:59.000 Yeah, who backs up the idea that Ferry was in court. 1546 01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:03.000 I think correct, right, So the Clara Flornoy Gay goes 1547 01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:04.640 to Gill's office and she sees it. There's like a 1548 01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:06.800 piece of paper with a chart and it said it 1549 01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:08.479 had the word Elm written on it and appeared to 1550 01:14:08.479 --> 01:14:09.840 be a street and there was a building on the 1551 01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:11.800 street with a square letter and with letters of v 1552 01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:13.840 P written in the square. So she's saying, I'm taking 1553 01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:16.840 this at the FBI and CLARIF and Gidros is like no. 1554 01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:18.239 When she grabs it out of her hand and throws 1555 01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:21.000 it in the trash, it's I think it's a I 1556 01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:23.840 think it's a very valid story. And this is reported 1557 01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:24.600 to the local police. 1558 01:14:24.680 --> 01:14:28.239 Oh my goodness. I mean, has or anyone tried to 1559 01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:32.039 brush off why that that she was lying and that 1560 01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:34.960 this story was made up, that this that she's I 1561 01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:39.479 don't know, I'm a witness. That's that's kind of that's damning. 1562 01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:44.359 If it's true, right, And also why was she using 1563 01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:46.000 g ra Gill? He's a mob lawyer, And who the 1564 01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:47.960 hell is this Clara Kloronoy Gay and why was she 1565 01:14:48.039 --> 01:14:49.760 using a mob lawyer for whatever she was using? 1566 01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:51.199 So who knows that? 1567 01:14:51.319 --> 01:14:52.760 You know, I just don't buy that he had any 1568 01:14:52.800 --> 01:14:55.840 legitimate work, all right, So let's talk about the Knoll 1569 01:14:56.079 --> 01:14:59.520 and what I've concluded happened. And I'm open to altering 1570 01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:01.520 my p active on this if someone can bring me 1571 01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:05.279 some evidence, if someone can bring me some Like the 1572 01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:07.600 statements of Ed Hoffman, which we'll get to here in 1573 01:15:07.600 --> 01:15:10.399 a moment, they're kind of ambiguous in regards to the 1574 01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:14.079 direction the shooter was facing here, because you got to think, 1575 01:15:14.079 --> 01:15:16.279 from where Ed Hoffman is standing, he's standing across the 1576 01:15:16.279 --> 01:15:19.720 Stemens Freeway, so he's looking one direction. He would see 1577 01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:21.279 a guy and he didn't see the rifle till the 1578 01:15:21.279 --> 01:15:24.279 guy turned around. If that's only because the rifle had 1579 01:15:24.319 --> 01:15:26.279 to in facing this direction like I have here up 1580 01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:28.600 in the upper left corner, because if it was facing 1581 01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:31.439 the other direction, if that would have been perpendicular to 1582 01:15:33.039 --> 01:15:35.079 Hoffman and he would have seen the rifle the whole time. 1583 01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:37.680 But no Ferry had to turn around, which tells me 1584 01:15:37.720 --> 01:15:40.000 that it was pointed this direction, which is why I've 1585 01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:42.560 drawn the conclusion that Fairy fired the shot that struck 1586 01:15:42.640 --> 01:15:45.079 Kennedy in the throat from the front. 1587 01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:50.199 But how far away is Hoffman roughly from where he's standing, 1588 01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:52.920 how much two hundred feet? 1589 01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:55.439 It's God, no, I'd say it's further than that. Let's 1590 01:15:55.479 --> 01:15:58.319 say it's it's probably further than two hundred feet. 1591 01:15:58.600 --> 01:16:01.640 So he's a way out, okay. 1592 01:16:01.359 --> 01:16:05.359 Right, He fortunately what he provides. He provides a description 1593 01:16:05.439 --> 01:16:07.560 of clothing, and the clothing is relevant, and so that's 1594 01:16:07.600 --> 01:16:09.840 why you know, here's the thing when cop When the 1595 01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:13.439 cops interview somebody and they provide details, and those details 1596 01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:17.760 are relevant or significant, but the witness doesn't understand the 1597 01:16:17.800 --> 01:16:20.760 relevance or significance of those details, then you know he's 1598 01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:23.199 telling the truth. And so I'll give you an example. 1599 01:16:23.479 --> 01:16:24.840 If I have a If I'm a cop and I'm 1600 01:16:24.840 --> 01:16:27.880 investigating a string of burglaries, and every single time the 1601 01:16:27.920 --> 01:16:30.239 guy left in a yellow Mustang, and then I go 1602 01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:32.960 to another burglary and witness said, yeah, I don't know 1603 01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:35.359 the guy left in a yellow Mustang. It's the same guy. 1604 01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:38.560 It's that simple. That's how cops think. That's how cops operate. 1605 01:16:38.840 --> 01:16:41.840 It is that simple, okay. And so the very basic 1606 01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:48.159 observations given by given by Hoffmann. He wouldn't have known 1607 01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:51.640 the significance of the dress of David Ferry at that time, 1608 01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:53.840 with the blue jacket in the black felt hat. He 1609 01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:56.520 wouldn't understood the significance of that. But I do because 1610 01:16:56.520 --> 01:16:59.439 those are the same descriptions of the man who was 1611 01:16:59.479 --> 01:17:02.479 at the tip shooting, right, And so that's another connection. 1612 01:17:02.520 --> 01:17:04.239 People have a hard time making the description of the 1613 01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:06.159 man in the blue jacket by Ed Hoffman and the 1614 01:17:06.199 --> 01:17:07.880 man in the blue jacket at the tip of shooting 1615 01:17:08.119 --> 01:17:10.039 clearly the same guy. We know it's linked because we 1616 01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:13.479 also have the Carl Mather's great plymouth there at both scenes. 1617 01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:16.439 I mean, so all the evidence is so overwhelming. 1618 01:17:16.720 --> 01:17:21.920 Now, folks who don't know about Ed Hoffman, I was 1619 01:17:21.960 --> 01:17:27.079 suspicious about him too, because quite frankly, I mean, he 1620 01:17:27.119 --> 01:17:29.600 was a hard guy to believe and I realized because 1621 01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:34.039 I may be projecting because of his condition. He was deaf, mute, right, 1622 01:17:34.319 --> 01:17:38.760 and so, and he was I don't want to say chastise, 1623 01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:42.439 but he was pretty beaten down by the events of 1624 01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:46.640 maybe of his story not being accepted. 1625 01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:49.399 Well, there's other parts of his story that are weird 1626 01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:51.239 that I can't figure out, Like he tried to tell 1627 01:17:51.279 --> 01:17:53.279 a cop what happened, and then somebody tried to pay 1628 01:17:53.319 --> 01:17:54.399 him money to shut up. 1629 01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:56.720 I mean, like, there's some stuff in there that's like, 1630 01:17:56.760 --> 01:17:58.560 what are you talking about? That's just crazy. 1631 01:17:58.920 --> 01:18:01.439 But nonetheless, I mean, and he gave the accurate description 1632 01:18:01.560 --> 01:18:04.640 David Ferry behind the pick offense, which we'll get to 1633 01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:07.159 here surely. But what I've concluded thus far is that 1634 01:18:07.279 --> 01:18:09.800 Fairy fired that first shot that struck the president in 1635 01:18:09.800 --> 01:18:12.239 the throat. I'm willing to alter my perspective on this 1636 01:18:12.439 --> 01:18:15.600 if I can get further clarification on the Ed Hoffman stuff, 1637 01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:18.399 and if I can locate the damn position of Valenti 1638 01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:20.319 also is a major factor too. 1639 01:18:20.920 --> 01:18:23.720 So I know there's there's Hoffman, but hang on, Corey. 1640 01:18:23.840 --> 01:18:29.119 So in order for David Ferry to shoot, that means 1641 01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:33.880 he would have to have been pretty well versed in 1642 01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:39.199 not only shooting someone, but do you think killing someone? 1643 01:18:39.479 --> 01:18:44.279 Oh yeah, oh yeah, I don't have any evidence he 1644 01:18:44.359 --> 01:18:45.199 killed anybody prior. 1645 01:18:46.359 --> 01:18:50.039 But he Oh that's actually not true. That's not true. 1646 01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:51.680 He told what was it? 1647 01:18:51.680 --> 01:18:53.680 He told Cruche that when he went on that trip 1648 01:18:53.720 --> 01:18:55.960 to Cuba where he got stabbed in the stomach and 1649 01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:58.079 had that big scar. I think he said that he 1650 01:18:58.159 --> 01:19:01.119 killed a bunch of people down there on that on 1651 01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:02.399 that what was that? 1652 01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:03.600 That was a bay of pigs? 1653 01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:05.079 So or what? 1654 01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:06.319 No, it wasn't bay of pigs. It was one of 1655 01:19:06.319 --> 01:19:08.279 his missions to bust the guys out of the Cuban jail. 1656 01:19:09.119 --> 01:19:11.239 But no, I think he had, dude, the guys that 1657 01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:13.399 look at the people he's hanging out with, a bunch 1658 01:19:13.439 --> 01:19:15.760 of mercenaries and stuff. I mean, come on, these guys 1659 01:19:15.760 --> 01:19:19.159 are killers. And so when I point out the fact 1660 01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:21.199 that these guys are already well known to us, you know, 1661 01:19:21.279 --> 01:19:23.399 you got like Laurence Howard and Lauren Hall in the 1662 01:19:23.439 --> 01:19:27.600 book Depository, David Ferry, these are all known names. I 1663 01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:30.039 think people are disappointed when I talk about this stuff, 1664 01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:32.439 because they expect it to be somebody we never heard of, 1665 01:19:32.680 --> 01:19:36.039 like out of some weird assassination factory or some Corsican 1666 01:19:36.079 --> 01:19:38.920 who's all spooky, right right, Like that's what people want. 1667 01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:41.119 They want the big mystery, And they say, no, dude, 1668 01:19:41.239 --> 01:19:43.119 is the ANSWER's been here the whole time. It's all 1669 01:19:43.119 --> 01:19:45.119 the guys in New Orleans and then a couple mob 1670 01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:48.000 guys thrown in for good measure, and like it's it's 1671 01:19:48.039 --> 01:19:51.479 it's simpler than everyone thinks. Is why nobody's coming around 1672 01:19:51.520 --> 01:19:53.319 to these same conclusions are assuming. 1673 01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:55.640 There is a rationality to what you just said. On 1674 01:19:55.720 --> 01:19:57.960 the other hand, when you look at something like the 1675 01:19:58.039 --> 01:20:01.960 Day of the Jackal, you have that coition, you have 1676 01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:05.119 that condition that in order for something this big to happen, 1677 01:20:05.920 --> 01:20:09.720 you're gonna go to some unknown, anonymous guy, pay him 1678 01:20:09.760 --> 01:20:11.560 a lot of money, who's going to go out into 1679 01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:14.439 a field and he's gonna shoot a special bullet that's 1680 01:20:14.439 --> 01:20:18.319 gonna blow up this watermelon right right, and and then 1681 01:20:18.359 --> 01:20:20.640 he's gonna go and go up to a high high 1682 01:20:20.840 --> 01:20:24.239 rise building. Uh, and he's gonna shoot the goal. That 1683 01:20:24.439 --> 01:20:26.520 is kind of what we're thinking. I think. And that's 1684 01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:29.720 why do you notice nobody ever wants to talk about 1685 01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:30.279 the shooters? 1686 01:20:31.640 --> 01:20:34.600 Yes, yes, yes, And I think it's a cop out. 1687 01:20:34.760 --> 01:20:36.439 And that's why I that's why when I made a 1688 01:20:36.479 --> 01:20:38.319 decision to do this, that's what my focus was. I 1689 01:20:38.359 --> 01:20:42.800 was like, because no one else is even trying, So yes, 1690 01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:46.000 I don't believe that those assassins who are mysterious, who 1691 01:20:46.079 --> 01:20:48.880 go by the single name, who like no one you 1692 01:20:48.920 --> 01:20:51.640 got you gotta call the Cia brothers, cousin's neighbor in 1693 01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:52.680 order to get ahold of the guy. 1694 01:20:52.800 --> 01:20:55.680 I don't think so. I think that's myth. That's total myth. 1695 01:20:55.760 --> 01:20:57.840 When you look at the most badass hitmen for the Mob, 1696 01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:00.720 who are you looking at? You're looking at that guys, 1697 01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:03.359 you know, you're looking at Lenny Patrick, You're looking at 1698 01:21:03.399 --> 01:21:06.119 like Sam Di Stefano, right, You're looking at all these 1699 01:21:06.159 --> 01:21:08.199 guys who are like just normal schmos who learned how 1700 01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:09.960 to shoot a gun. They none of them were grown 1701 01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:12.920 in an assassination factory. You know, it's not such a 1702 01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:16.479 such a I don't think so. Well, I you know, 1703 01:21:16.680 --> 01:21:18.720 the closest thing that you're gonna find are when they 1704 01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:20.720 go down to like No Name key and train it 1705 01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:23.439 no name Key. That's an assassination factory, if you ask me, 1706 01:21:23.439 --> 01:21:25.960 and I actually believe that I have. I have some 1707 01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:28.479 suspicion that VOLENTI went down there, met with Lafitte and 1708 01:21:28.520 --> 01:21:29.439 trained at No Name Key. 1709 01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:30.159 Wow. 1710 01:21:30.359 --> 01:21:32.319 I have some documents in ZR Rifle that to me 1711 01:21:33.359 --> 01:21:36.720 indicate that even though I'm speculating to some degree. Okay, 1712 01:21:36.760 --> 01:21:40.119 but yeah, that's the assassination factory stuff. We've already known 1713 01:21:40.279 --> 01:21:43.319 the CIA trains guys to kill people down in the keys. 1714 01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:45.840 That's the assassination factory. It doesn't have to be some 1715 01:21:45.920 --> 01:21:48.439 weird you know. There ain't nothing like it. It ain't There 1716 01:21:48.439 --> 01:21:51.880 ain't no John Wicks out there. Okay, that's another example. 1717 01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:55.880 By the way, Uh, Jason Bourne type, you know this 1718 01:21:56.119 --> 01:21:58.479 Jack Ryan type. You know that we've been fed in 1719 01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:02.600 these heroes of intelligence. But real quick, a little background 1720 01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:06.680 before it. I'm very his father being a police captain 1721 01:22:06.680 --> 01:22:10.800 in Cleveland Police one of the most notorious at the time, 1722 01:22:11.119 --> 01:22:13.680 one of the most populous cities in the United States, 1723 01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:16.600 also one of the most notorious in terms of the 1724 01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:21.159 mafia and the mob. And Fairy's boss this is mister Ferry. 1725 01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:24.279 The father his boss for a few years before Ferry 1726 01:22:24.319 --> 01:22:28.159 retired was Elliott Ness, who came from Chicago to run 1727 01:22:28.239 --> 01:22:33.520 Cleveland's Public Safety District division. And I will say, I'm 1728 01:22:33.520 --> 01:22:36.079 just gonna throw this out there, folks, if you don't 1729 01:22:36.079 --> 01:22:39.520 know anything about the Torso murders of Cleveland, those were 1730 01:22:39.560 --> 01:22:42.600 going on at the same time unsolved. 1731 01:22:43.199 --> 01:22:48.079 But anyway, I'm gonna have to ask you about that 1732 01:22:48.119 --> 01:22:50.199 after because I'm not familiar with this and it piqued 1733 01:22:50.199 --> 01:22:51.800 my interest. Yeah, so we're gonna have to have a 1734 01:22:51.800 --> 01:22:52.600 conversation about that. 1735 01:22:52.520 --> 01:22:53.399 That sounds killer. 1736 01:22:54.199 --> 01:22:58.319 More on's all mysteries. I love it. So this is 1737 01:22:58.319 --> 01:22:59.439 at Hoffman, the guy in the middle. 1738 01:23:00.239 --> 01:23:03.199 Note of like the description of the man standing to 1739 01:23:03.239 --> 01:23:06.319 his his right, but it's our left with the black hat, 1740 01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:09.000 with the wide felt man and the dark suit. Okay, 1741 01:23:09.039 --> 01:23:09.920 it's very important. 1742 01:23:10.159 --> 01:23:11.119 Looks like somebody we know. 1743 01:23:12.239 --> 01:23:14.680 Yes, it sure does. And so yeah, Ed Hoffman is 1744 01:23:14.720 --> 01:23:15.720 way over here, right, So. 1745 01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:18.199 That's that's pretty far, I mean, okay, so that's a 1746 01:23:18.199 --> 01:23:21.359 good that's a great great talk visual here of where 1747 01:23:21.840 --> 01:23:24.079 Ed Hoffen he pulls off to the side of the 1748 01:23:24.119 --> 01:23:26.640 freeway as because he sees the motorcade right. 1749 01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:29.800 Well, this is the railroad tracks and so he's one over. 1750 01:23:29.960 --> 01:23:32.159 He's a little more over where the cars are, so 1751 01:23:32.199 --> 01:23:34.600 he's even further out, so it's probably like a football field. 1752 01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:36.479 But the only thing relevant that he really has to 1753 01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:39.319 see is this the general height of the guy and. 1754 01:23:39.359 --> 01:23:41.279 What he's wearing. What he's wearing is everything. 1755 01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:43.800 So basically he sees David Ferry right here from there 1756 01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:46.239 from when I calculate David Ferry, well, then, just like 1757 01:23:46.359 --> 01:23:49.000 Ed Hoffman says, he will walk off casually towards the 1758 01:23:49.039 --> 01:23:52.560 railroad yards, but he stops at the pergola. I believe 1759 01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:54.760 he stops at the pergola. And his photographed right here. 1760 01:23:55.720 --> 01:23:59.479 Notice the hat and the jacket, and let me scroll 1761 01:23:59.560 --> 01:24:01.720 right back up to like Ed Hoffman's description, the hat 1762 01:24:01.760 --> 01:24:05.640 and the jacket. I mean, it's like there's nobody else 1763 01:24:05.640 --> 01:24:07.600 who looking like that and in the area. Okay, so 1764 01:24:08.039 --> 01:24:09.720 and this picture again, this picture has been out for 1765 01:24:09.720 --> 01:24:13.479 fifty sixty years. To me, that's pretty obviously David Ferry 1766 01:24:13.520 --> 01:24:16.399 is up there. Even you see the back flap of 1767 01:24:16.439 --> 01:24:19.039 the hack going up a little just like no, but. 1768 01:24:19.239 --> 01:24:21.600 I just gonta say, I just love though that he's 1769 01:24:21.640 --> 01:24:25.880 talking to those women, you know, like I we mentioned before, 1770 01:24:26.039 --> 01:24:28.840 I can you know what happened? I don't know. There's 1771 01:24:28.840 --> 01:24:30.479 something may have happened back here. 1772 01:24:30.319 --> 01:24:31.600 At the right right. 1773 01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:36.800 So here's David Fairry again clearly in the back of 1774 01:24:36.800 --> 01:24:38.760 the railroad yards walking through. And see if I have 1775 01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:40.920 the comparison photo, and this is the comparison photo here. 1776 01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:42.920 I mean, to me, it doesn't get much more slam 1777 01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:46.520 dunk than this. David Fairry was a broke guy. He 1778 01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:49.319 only had one suit that's referenced in the Brochars file. 1779 01:24:50.359 --> 01:24:52.279 I'm confident he's The picture on the left is a 1780 01:24:52.319 --> 01:24:54.319 known picture of David Firry. I'm pretty confident he's wearing 1781 01:24:54.359 --> 01:24:56.279 the same clothes in that picture on the right. And 1782 01:24:56.319 --> 01:24:58.319 once again, this picture has been out for sixty years, 1783 01:24:58.920 --> 01:25:00.479 sixty si zero. 1784 01:25:01.760 --> 01:25:05.000 So what point, what point does that happen? One point 1785 01:25:05.560 --> 01:25:09.680 is is people have already charged the knoll to kind 1786 01:25:09.680 --> 01:25:13.279 of see what's going on, and is that the picture 1787 01:25:13.359 --> 01:25:16.279 up up above or where that fellow is walking away? 1788 01:25:16.880 --> 01:25:19.439 Is that kind of like moments like where. 1789 01:25:21.000 --> 01:25:21.680 Are this one here? 1790 01:25:21.880 --> 01:25:22.279 Yeah? 1791 01:25:22.359 --> 01:25:25.479 So okay, So the series of events as I see it, 1792 01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:28.319 is he he walks off casually, just like Ed Hoffman 1793 01:25:28.399 --> 01:25:30.960 says after throwing the rifle to the railroad man. 1794 01:25:31.279 --> 01:25:33.640 He then walks up to here to the pergoli. 1795 01:25:33.680 --> 01:25:37.520 He's just casual. And then from here he will then 1796 01:25:37.560 --> 01:25:41.520 cut back here in the railroad yards. This is like 1797 01:25:41.560 --> 01:25:45.239 the sequence of events, and then from here he will 1798 01:25:46.439 --> 01:25:47.720 do I have I don't think I have the Velma 1799 01:25:47.760 --> 01:25:49.600 stuff in here, but from here he will go and 1800 01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:51.880 sit in the gray plymouth behind the Texas School Book 1801 01:25:51.920 --> 01:25:55.640 Depository where Velma the callar on Coast to Coast says, 1802 01:25:55.640 --> 01:25:56.880 you know, he had the suit on and the real 1803 01:25:56.920 --> 01:25:58.560 heavy eyebrows and the gray plymouth and gave me a 1804 01:25:58.560 --> 01:25:59.159 real mean look. 1805 01:25:59.439 --> 01:26:02.039 You know. Okay, is this so? Is this? Where is 1806 01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:05.880 this the lee? Can Lee Bauer see this parking lot 1807 01:26:05.960 --> 01:26:08.720 that he you're we're seeing right here? Is this the 1808 01:26:09.079 --> 01:26:10.279 behind the fence? 1809 01:26:11.159 --> 01:26:11.439 Yes? 1810 01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:14.279 Okay? And then could you go up to that map 1811 01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:17.279 of Dueling Plaza real quick where we saw at Hoffman's position. 1812 01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:24.199 And then so the Velma, Velma's back over here where 1813 01:26:24.239 --> 01:26:25.680 the arrow, the red arrow is. 1814 01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:31.479 Velma should be right here behind the book depository, like 1815 01:26:31.520 --> 01:26:33.920 can you see my cursor? Yeah, it should be here. 1816 01:26:34.279 --> 01:26:36.960 Right over here is where she was parked. So David 1817 01:26:37.039 --> 01:26:41.560 Ferry fires the shot, tosses the rifle to I believe 1818 01:26:41.560 --> 01:26:45.119 it's Andrew Jerome Blackman. I'm willing to re examine that too. 1819 01:26:45.159 --> 01:26:46.800 It's only it's one of two people. It's black Men 1820 01:26:46.880 --> 01:26:49.039 or Lewellyn, but I don't think it's Llewellyn. Llewellyn is 1821 01:26:49.039 --> 01:26:51.000 a tall guy, and I just have to get confirmation 1822 01:26:51.079 --> 01:26:52.920 on Blackman's hype. But I'm pretty sure it's black men 1823 01:26:52.920 --> 01:26:55.720 because it corresponds with his trip in in the port 1824 01:26:55.760 --> 01:26:58.079 and leaving on Monday and all that stuff. So but 1825 01:26:58.199 --> 01:27:00.800 David Ferry will then walk from here over to that 1826 01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:03.239 pergola where he was seen. He's obviously they're not not 1827 01:27:03.279 --> 01:27:06.119 there too long. And then we'll walk right and then 1828 01:27:06.159 --> 01:27:08.399 he will walk back into the railroad yards and he's 1829 01:27:08.439 --> 01:27:11.600 probably photographed right about here. Okay, this is probably right 1830 01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:14.159 about where that photograph happens. And then he'll walk continued 1831 01:27:14.239 --> 01:27:17.479 back behind the Texas school Book Depository where he gets 1832 01:27:17.479 --> 01:27:20.079 into that great plymouth where he's then seen by Velma. 1833 01:27:20.319 --> 01:27:23.439 Okay, right now, now real quick, Corey, because from if 1834 01:27:23.439 --> 01:27:26.000 you can go back to that map. Sorry, I just well, 1835 01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:28.880 while I have you here now at the corner mayor 1836 01:27:28.920 --> 01:27:31.319 of elm in Houston, you know we have done that 1837 01:27:31.359 --> 01:27:35.560 work on the laundry the living supply truck which we 1838 01:27:35.720 --> 01:27:40.239 think may have made a right and was onto Houston. 1839 01:27:40.279 --> 01:27:43.359 Now that was under construction or closed off, but uh, 1840 01:27:43.720 --> 01:27:46.159 he may it may have been let go by the officers. 1841 01:27:46.279 --> 01:27:53.960 So there's been some did anyway, is there a witness 1842 01:27:54.359 --> 01:28:01.640 seeing movement out of the Depository. Uh, while Velma is 1843 01:28:01.680 --> 01:28:06.720 sitting there because there's all things going on, right, This 1844 01:28:06.840 --> 01:28:08.760 is moments right after the shooting. 1845 01:28:08.439 --> 01:28:11.439 Right right, So the moment's in the right after the shooting. 1846 01:28:11.479 --> 01:28:14.600 If you want to talk about witnesses from I don't 1847 01:28:14.600 --> 01:28:16.560 have any witnesses from the book Depository who claim to 1848 01:28:16.600 --> 01:28:18.479 see any of this stuff. What I do have is 1849 01:28:18.479 --> 01:28:21.039 a witness from the dal Text building. But that's connected 1850 01:28:21.079 --> 01:28:23.840 to the Larry Floor stuff, which we'll cover another time. 1851 01:28:25.159 --> 01:28:28.239 Many people believe Larry Floor is actually Ted Shackley, which 1852 01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:31.600 I am leaning in that direction as well. But yeah, 1853 01:28:31.680 --> 01:28:33.800 so David Ferry, he then walks back here. He's seen 1854 01:28:33.960 --> 01:28:36.880 in the in the in the vehicle by Velma. And 1855 01:28:36.920 --> 01:28:38.560 this is how Also we know that Tippet was here 1856 01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:40.760 because Velma saw Tippet. And we also have the photograph 1857 01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:43.479 of Tippet on Houston Street from the Robert Hughes film 1858 01:28:43.760 --> 01:28:45.319 The tip It is here right there. 1859 01:28:45.520 --> 01:28:46.159 Yeah, it was. 1860 01:28:46.199 --> 01:28:48.439 Tippet was standing like right here on the street. You 1861 01:28:48.520 --> 01:28:52.119 got the costume people all lined up next to him, 1862 01:28:52.199 --> 01:28:53.880 Miltier across the street. 1863 01:28:54.359 --> 01:28:57.880 Miltier across the street probably by the way, if you. 1864 01:28:57.840 --> 01:28:59.520 Look at that across the if you look at if 1865 01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:03.760 you can pull the costumed uh, and you compare the 1866 01:29:03.399 --> 01:29:07.239 what is that the west maybe? Uh? 1867 01:29:07.439 --> 01:29:08.119 This is west? 1868 01:29:08.119 --> 01:29:12.279 This is easy west side of Houston. Right, this is 1869 01:29:12.319 --> 01:29:15.279 the picture, the very clear picture we see on the 1870 01:29:15.359 --> 01:29:19.439 on the east side of Houston, very normal looking folks 1871 01:29:19.800 --> 01:29:23.159 on that on where the shadow is across the street. 1872 01:29:23.680 --> 01:29:26.159 Yeah, there's a couple of people who I'm questioning because 1873 01:29:26.159 --> 01:29:28.159 there's a couple of people who I can it looks 1874 01:29:28.199 --> 01:29:31.079 to me like they're wearing Greco Roman style robes. There's 1875 01:29:31.079 --> 01:29:34.039 one of them. There's one on Houston Street, there's one 1876 01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:36.439 on Elm Street, and I think that there's one or 1877 01:29:36.479 --> 01:29:41.840 two on across across Houston on this shadowy side. But 1878 01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:44.560 the pictures are never really that good. So I'd really 1879 01:29:44.600 --> 01:29:46.399 like to something. I'd like to reevaluate. 1880 01:29:46.760 --> 01:29:48.520 Okay, by the way, if you but then you got 1881 01:29:48.520 --> 01:29:53.760 all them good. Anything he's saying is crazy. This is 1882 01:29:53.800 --> 01:29:59.119 the center of Dallas Masonic kind of roofs in Dallas. 1883 01:29:59.119 --> 01:30:01.159 By the way, So the this was this was a 1884 01:30:01.239 --> 01:30:05.479 cultic from the beginning. Folks. Okay, this isn't nut. This 1885 01:30:05.560 --> 01:30:07.680 isn't nuts of stuff. I mean, it. 1886 01:30:07.680 --> 01:30:12.920 Took me, it took me years to even acknowledge the 1887 01:30:12.960 --> 01:30:15.840 possibility of the occult stuff. But once you see it, 1888 01:30:16.039 --> 01:30:18.039 you can never unsee it. And once you see it, 1889 01:30:18.079 --> 01:30:20.359 you're like, oh my god, we're run by a bunch 1890 01:30:20.399 --> 01:30:21.760 of lunatics. 1891 01:30:22.760 --> 01:30:27.960 How many the placement of folks along the a long 1892 01:30:28.039 --> 01:30:31.520 elm uh, how many of those are actors? Do you think? 1893 01:30:31.560 --> 01:30:34.319 How many of those are actual office people who are 1894 01:30:34.359 --> 01:30:41.720 just kind of there there. They seem very subdued. 1895 01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:44.039 Yeah, and they're all wearing like very nice clothing. If 1896 01:30:44.039 --> 01:30:46.760 you look and notice a lot of them are wearing 1897 01:30:46.920 --> 01:30:50.239 very nice black clothes, like very formal. 1898 01:30:50.279 --> 01:30:55.039 It's gonna say, like like church, sure, almost funeral type. 1899 01:30:55.560 --> 01:30:59.119 Right, Okay, all right, I'm convinced that most people, I'm 1900 01:30:59.159 --> 01:31:01.439 convinced most of the people who are actually in daily 1901 01:31:01.479 --> 01:31:04.039 Plaza itself, with the exceptions of the ones who we've identified, 1902 01:31:04.159 --> 01:31:06.800 know are employees of the area. I think the vast 1903 01:31:06.800 --> 01:31:08.840 majority of people in Daily Plaza knew about it, were 1904 01:31:08.840 --> 01:31:10.279 there because they were funneled there. 1905 01:31:10.159 --> 01:31:14.079 To witness it. And yeah, I don't because we don't. 1906 01:31:14.119 --> 01:31:16.239 We haven't identified seventy five percent of the people in 1907 01:31:16.239 --> 01:31:19.600 the pictures in Daily Plaza. Seventy five percent at least 1908 01:31:20.039 --> 01:31:21.399 we look at the picture, but don't have no idea 1909 01:31:21.399 --> 01:31:24.560 who they are, right, and they've never come forward said hey, 1910 01:31:24.560 --> 01:31:25.039 I was there. 1911 01:31:25.279 --> 01:31:27.640 You'd think they would. They have enough for all these years, 1912 01:31:27.920 --> 01:31:28.279 you know. 1913 01:31:28.439 --> 01:31:30.680 I'd be interested to know how many people and now, 1914 01:31:30.680 --> 01:31:33.880 according to the Rabbi Silvermen, there was a large number 1915 01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:37.159 of people who attended the memorial service that night to 1916 01:31:37.319 --> 01:31:40.560 cheer at Israel. I'd be curious. I don't know if 1917 01:31:40.560 --> 01:31:42.880 anyone has really talked about that. I had never really 1918 01:31:42.920 --> 01:31:45.720 seen many people come out and talk about that service. 1919 01:31:46.279 --> 01:31:49.920 I'd be curious who they were and how many witnessed 1920 01:31:49.960 --> 01:31:51.880 what they saw there? Who went over there. 1921 01:31:54.359 --> 01:31:58.039 Yes, that's scenario I definitely need. I'm definitely I mean, 1922 01:31:58.279 --> 01:32:01.279 these connections from Jack Ruby to his to the greater 1923 01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:05.960 Israeli scheme, I would think are very They're very important. 1924 01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:10.920 They needed further investigation for sure. All Right, So let 1925 01:32:10.920 --> 01:32:12.439 me scroll past this stuff. 1926 01:32:12.680 --> 01:32:13.079 David Fair. 1927 01:32:13.119 --> 01:32:14.840 I think it's pretty clear his day, that's David Fairy. 1928 01:32:15.159 --> 01:32:17.359 He lied about his whole trip. He's clearly I mean, 1929 01:32:17.399 --> 01:32:19.520 the description based on Ed Hoffman and the I mean, 1930 01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:21.920 the hat is virtually identical. He nailed the description there. 1931 01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:24.560 It's to me, I don't know, it's it's obvious his 1932 01:32:24.680 --> 01:32:27.279 days him, Plus he got Leyton Martin's and Alvin Boboof 1933 01:32:27.399 --> 01:32:30.199 right there in daey Plaza. I kind of gave up 1934 01:32:30.239 --> 01:32:33.600 on facial recognition because it's hit or miss, you know, uh, 1935 01:32:33.800 --> 01:32:36.239 But it's clearly his guys standing there. And the one 1936 01:32:36.239 --> 01:32:37.760 thing that really kind of bugs me is like the 1937 01:32:37.800 --> 01:32:41.199 statement that Buell Fraser gave about Oswald driving him to 1938 01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:44.319 work that day. He said that Oswald was wearing a 1939 01:32:44.359 --> 01:32:49.159 gray more or less flannel wool type coat. Well, I 1940 01:32:49.199 --> 01:32:51.920 think you're staring at the only gray more or less 1941 01:32:51.920 --> 01:32:54.960 flannel wool type coat and the whole story. Alvin Boboof 1942 01:32:55.000 --> 01:32:56.720 is wearing a gray more or less flannel wolf coat. 1943 01:32:56.960 --> 01:32:58.880 It's even the same. Look at the you can see 1944 01:32:58.880 --> 01:33:01.239 the curve here and see how the collar starts to 1945 01:33:01.319 --> 01:33:04.039 curve like it folds in on itself. And then you 1946 01:33:04.039 --> 01:33:07.119 can see that clearly in the in the arrest photo, right, 1947 01:33:07.159 --> 01:33:08.760 you can see how it folds in on itself here 1948 01:33:08.760 --> 01:33:11.000 in the arrest photo, same thing it does right here. 1949 01:33:11.600 --> 01:33:13.359 So I'm convinced this is album. 1950 01:33:13.439 --> 01:33:15.920 This is definitely Alvin Bobuf and Layton Martin's and this 1951 01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:17.520 is the proof that Melvin Coffee never went on the 1952 01:33:17.600 --> 01:33:19.279 damn trip. I mean, look at the way the hair 1953 01:33:19.319 --> 01:33:19.840 is flowing too. 1954 01:33:19.840 --> 01:33:20.239 It's the same. 1955 01:33:20.239 --> 01:33:22.239 I mean, it's clearly them. I even sent this to 1956 01:33:22.279 --> 01:33:24.039 my cop friend and was like, oh yeah. They took 1957 01:33:24.079 --> 01:33:26.119 about two seconds and looked at it, go yeah, that's them. 1958 01:33:26.279 --> 01:33:28.159 So I was like, yeah, of course it is. So 1959 01:33:28.560 --> 01:33:31.359 his guys are there too, and Velma. 1960 01:33:31.199 --> 01:33:33.960 Before we get into Velma though, uh oh. 1961 01:33:33.800 --> 01:33:35.560 We skipped Velma. We can get right to the winter Land. 1962 01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:36.119 Is the next stuff? 1963 01:33:36.319 --> 01:33:40.399 Real quick? On facial recognition, Corey, is that you mentioned 1964 01:33:40.439 --> 01:33:44.079 that quite often? I mean, is that a common investigative 1965 01:33:44.119 --> 01:33:47.600 tactic or is that your No? 1966 01:33:47.600 --> 01:33:49.079 No, I just did it because we have the technology 1967 01:33:49.119 --> 01:33:50.800 available to us today. But the problem is, like I've 1968 01:33:50.880 --> 01:33:53.039 run multiple pictures of Jack Valenti, who I know are 1969 01:33:53.039 --> 01:33:56.199 all the same person, and I've had facial facial recognition 1970 01:33:56.239 --> 01:33:57.680 tell me some of them are not the same person, 1971 01:33:57.720 --> 01:33:59.880 and I'm like, that's just wrong. Right, So, facial wrecking 1972 01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:02.199 doesn't get it right all the time, it really doesn't, 1973 01:34:02.720 --> 01:34:04.159 but it can get it close. It can tell you 1974 01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:06.119 like here we got an eighty four percent match based 1975 01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:08.560 on profile to a regular photo. 1976 01:34:08.640 --> 01:34:12.520 Right, So I mean, yeah, the to me, it's good. 1977 01:34:12.600 --> 01:34:13.479 It's a good tool. 1978 01:34:13.520 --> 01:34:15.960 But it's not like it got ted Shackley and Larry 1979 01:34:16.039 --> 01:34:20.479 Floor at a seventy seven percent match. So it gave 1980 01:34:20.560 --> 01:34:22.600 it a positive match at seventy seven percent. Does that 1981 01:34:22.640 --> 01:34:23.279 mean it's him? 1982 01:34:23.279 --> 01:34:23.680 I don't know. 1983 01:34:23.960 --> 01:34:26.640 So it's never as conclusive as you think it is. 1984 01:34:29.239 --> 01:34:34.159 You're still with me, Yeah, let's move on to to 1985 01:34:34.239 --> 01:34:36.279 this all right. So now we're at the Winterland Ice 1986 01:34:36.279 --> 01:34:41.039 Skating Rink and the Winterland Ice Arena, Houston, Texas. This 1987 01:34:41.119 --> 01:34:45.359 is I have a whole slew of Americana from the Winterland. 1988 01:34:45.680 --> 01:34:48.119 I would love to get my hands on an actual 1989 01:34:48.319 --> 01:34:51.319 physical patch like this. I'll pay top dollar if anyone 1990 01:34:51.319 --> 01:34:52.199 out there can find one. 1991 01:34:52.640 --> 01:34:53.880 Why do you. 1992 01:34:55.720 --> 01:34:57.880 Because it's owning a piece of history, I mean a 1993 01:34:57.960 --> 01:35:00.840 very important piece of history that no one else even understands. 1994 01:35:00.840 --> 01:35:03.119 Irrelevance of that, to me is the best stuff in 1995 01:35:03.159 --> 01:35:05.880 the world. Stuff that's uber important that no one else understands, 1996 01:35:05.880 --> 01:35:07.600 the relevance of. Like I have a picture, okay, So 1997 01:35:07.680 --> 01:35:10.840 I have a copy of Jack Valenti's first book, signed 1998 01:35:11.439 --> 01:35:15.520 to Frank and Bethany Church. Though to me, that's the 1999 01:35:15.520 --> 01:35:18.760 most significant it's the most significant autograph in history because 2000 01:35:18.840 --> 01:35:21.920 it's the guy yep, because the guy who did the 2001 01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:24.079 first Church committee. He was the guy looking for the 2002 01:35:24.079 --> 01:35:26.000 Grassy nul shooter. And I have a book signed to 2003 01:35:26.079 --> 01:35:28.720 him by the Grassy neal Shooter. It's the most priceless 2004 01:35:28.720 --> 01:35:31.560 book in history, if you asked me, worth millions. If 2005 01:35:31.600 --> 01:35:33.479 nobody understands ther relevance except me, you. 2006 01:35:33.399 --> 01:35:33.880 Know what I mean. 2007 01:35:33.920 --> 01:35:36.920 So it's like fuck, you know, it's like having a 2008 01:35:36.920 --> 01:35:39.960 pot of gold and nobody knows is worth anything more. 2009 01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:41.920 Pictures of the Winterland. It looks like, you know, your 2010 01:35:41.920 --> 01:35:43.920 typical kind of skate rink. You know, I grew up 2011 01:35:44.199 --> 01:35:47.600 going to the what was the Stardust skate rink when 2012 01:35:47.600 --> 01:35:50.439 I grew up in Sarasota, Florida, and I practically lived 2013 01:35:50.439 --> 01:35:53.279 at the Stardust skating rink. So before the Internet, people 2014 01:35:53.319 --> 01:35:57.920 actually did things like this. Oh my, all right, yes, 2015 01:35:59.199 --> 01:36:02.159 So here we got Richard Rowland, allegedly the son of 2016 01:36:02.520 --> 01:36:05.079 Chuck Rowland. We'll get to him here momentarily. His name 2017 01:36:05.119 --> 01:36:10.359 is Roland, Chuck Roland. This is a winterland? Where does 2018 01:36:10.399 --> 01:36:12.199 it say it here? I got one of these here 2019 01:36:12.239 --> 01:36:19.960 that says Houston's only skating. Yeah, so what what what 2020 01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:22.159 Bailey are you talking about? Okay, what belly are you 2021 01:36:22.159 --> 01:36:23.840 talking about? There was only one arena going on at 2022 01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:26.439 this time, and it was the Winterland because I believe 2023 01:36:26.479 --> 01:36:28.159 the Gateway was actually I will get to the Gateway 2024 01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:30.600 here in a second, but it was a roller skating rink. 2025 01:36:30.880 --> 01:36:33.640 So Ferry meets with Roland Chuck Rowland at the Winterland. Okay, 2026 01:36:33.760 --> 01:36:35.640 rolland Chuck Rowland. That's the name on his stuff. But 2027 01:36:35.720 --> 01:36:38.720 his name is not Roland Chuck Rowland. It's Rulan Chuck Rowland. 2028 01:36:38.760 --> 01:36:42.920 He was a famous ice skater. He's half Korean. There 2029 01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:45.680 was some there's some bad information on him. I read 2030 01:36:45.720 --> 01:36:47.680 that he was French Canadian, but that's not true. He 2031 01:36:47.760 --> 01:36:51.199 was born in Cleveland. If I'm not mistaken, you're kidding me, 2032 01:36:51.880 --> 01:36:52.279 or no he was. 2033 01:36:52.479 --> 01:36:53.239 He was born in Iowa. 2034 01:36:53.239 --> 01:36:55.840 Sorry, he was born in iow If he was from 2035 01:36:55.840 --> 01:36:58.000 Cleveland too, that would have been crazy. But his name 2036 01:36:58.039 --> 01:37:00.319 is Ruland Chuck Rowland. His name is not Roland Chuck Rolling. 2037 01:37:00.359 --> 01:37:02.800 Why they plain devils advocated? 2038 01:37:02.880 --> 01:37:06.319 Do you think in When he gave his name, he 2039 01:37:06.399 --> 01:37:09.960 gave it as Ruland and it was typed up as Rowland, 2040 01:37:10.039 --> 01:37:12.199 and so we're reading it as Roland Rowland. 2041 01:37:13.800 --> 01:37:16.199 When you give a deposition, you have to provide identification. 2042 01:37:16.359 --> 01:37:18.359 I mean they have they know, they have to know 2043 01:37:18.359 --> 01:37:21.199 who they're talking to. Every time I know, I've been deposed. 2044 01:37:21.880 --> 01:37:25.039 So yeah, they knew it. They lied, They lied to 2045 01:37:25.079 --> 01:37:27.439 cover it up. Why did they lie to cover it up? Well, 2046 01:37:27.479 --> 01:37:31.239 maybe we can explain that as we move forward. Rulan 2047 01:37:31.359 --> 01:37:34.520 worked with the skating Shrams. They were famous. I guess 2048 01:37:34.520 --> 01:37:37.920 at one point in time I never heard of him. 2049 01:37:37.960 --> 01:37:39.800 But he just goes to show he had a long 2050 01:37:39.880 --> 01:37:44.239 history of working in in professional ice skating. I went 2051 01:37:44.279 --> 01:37:45.840 overboard and kind of pulled a whole bunch of stuff. 2052 01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:47.560 I pulled his birth records and census records and all 2053 01:37:47.600 --> 01:37:49.720 this sudd who was from Utah, Idaho and then utah 2054 01:37:49.760 --> 01:37:55.159 on Iowai. Sorry, so that's where he's from. And then 2055 01:37:55.199 --> 01:37:58.600 what clay show testimony? How long you've been in the business. 2056 01:37:58.840 --> 01:38:01.199 He's like, this is in sixty three or sixty four 2057 01:38:01.680 --> 01:38:03.359 or no, this is sixty nine, right, So he's like, 2058 01:38:03.520 --> 01:38:05.359 I've been connected with ice rinks in the ice business 2059 01:38:05.399 --> 01:38:06.439 since nineteen forty six. 2060 01:38:06.720 --> 01:38:08.760 Are you a professional skater? He says yes, sir, I am. 2061 01:38:09.439 --> 01:38:11.920 But when I go and look through the Houston directory, 2062 01:38:11.960 --> 01:38:14.840 I found he was working for some company called Electrotechnical 2063 01:38:14.920 --> 01:38:18.399 Laboratories and then he was the manager of Doghouse Packaging Company. 2064 01:38:18.520 --> 01:38:19.960 So how does that got to do anything? We're ice 2065 01:38:19.960 --> 01:38:22.000 skating rinks. You know what's going on here? 2066 01:38:22.560 --> 01:38:25.960 I don't know, Nicol, Yeah, that's the key to something. 2067 01:38:27.239 --> 01:38:30.119 I love how Schlumberger's right there too, Slumbridge in ye 2068 01:38:30.720 --> 01:38:33.199 right here does Ferdinand. 2069 01:38:32.760 --> 01:38:36.479 J Oh, that's hilarious. That's hilarious. 2070 01:38:36.479 --> 01:38:38.960 Oh my god, Oh my god. Hold a second, what 2071 01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:40.840 the hell is this? I'm sorry, I'm just noticing this. 2072 01:38:41.119 --> 01:38:45.600 Firstland, Look at that island. Look at it? 2073 01:38:45.720 --> 01:38:48.880 Rowland see also Roland and Roland, row L A and 2074 01:38:49.000 --> 01:38:52.239 D so that's in the directory. And then it's got 2075 01:38:52.319 --> 01:38:57.439 Rulan married to Joyce. What is going on here? Why 2076 01:38:57.560 --> 01:38:59.640 is he listed with two different names in the directory 2077 01:39:00.079 --> 01:39:04.119 in fifty eight? This is wild And I can't believe 2078 01:39:04.119 --> 01:39:06.199 I'm just now noticing this. And what is the connection 2079 01:39:06.279 --> 01:39:08.560 between Chuck Roland and Schlumberjay. 2080 01:39:08.159 --> 01:39:10.840 Yeah, yeah, what fka? 2081 01:39:11.159 --> 01:39:13.760 All right? This this needs some follow up and I 2082 01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:15.640 can't believe I didn't catch this the first time around. 2083 01:39:15.640 --> 01:39:16.840 But this is wild. 2084 01:39:17.439 --> 01:39:20.880 Ferdinand J. Roland works for Schlumberge. We got to find 2085 01:39:20.920 --> 01:39:25.800 the relationship between Ferdinand and Chuck Roland here. So in 2086 01:39:25.840 --> 01:39:31.039 eighty three he divorces Chuck eighty three divorce Rulan Roland. 2087 01:39:31.279 --> 01:39:35.600 He divorces Joyce Roland. Who's Joyce Roland's his wife? Twenty 2088 01:39:35.640 --> 01:39:38.479 eighteen obituary. He died in twenty eighteen, which you know, 2089 01:39:38.560 --> 01:39:41.520 so many people died after I started my research as crazy. Yeah, 2090 01:39:41.840 --> 01:39:43.720 all right, so let's get to the Mary Boots Roberts 2091 01:39:43.720 --> 01:39:45.720 and Ronnie Roberts. This is where things get a little wild. 2092 01:39:46.760 --> 01:39:49.560 Mary Boots Roberts and Ronni Roberts again, famous ice skaters, 2093 01:39:49.560 --> 01:39:51.720 going all the way back to forty six, twenty years 2094 01:39:52.319 --> 01:39:58.079 before the assassination. And this is the obituary for Mary 2095 01:39:58.239 --> 01:40:01.439 Boots Roberts White. Must have come in the late eighties 2096 01:40:01.520 --> 01:40:03.920 or nineties. She must have married again, because I can't 2097 01:40:03.960 --> 01:40:06.159 find any reference to her marrying. Somebody named White doesn't 2098 01:40:06.159 --> 01:40:09.000 appear anywhere. Just how it is, I guess, but it 2099 01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:11.680 says here. Mary Boots Roberts White passed away Saturday the 2100 01:40:11.720 --> 01:40:14.720 twenty ninth November. Beloved mother, grandmother and great grandmother and friend. 2101 01:40:15.000 --> 01:40:17.079 She accomplished much in her life, became a professional ice 2102 01:40:17.119 --> 01:40:21.239 skater and worked for NASA during the Apollo and Gemini missions. 2103 01:40:21.279 --> 01:40:24.199 You know what, No she didn't, No, she didn't. I 2104 01:40:24.319 --> 01:40:27.399 spent hours and hours and hours digging for any reference 2105 01:40:27.439 --> 01:40:30.600 to a Mary Boots Roberts White connected to NASA, and 2106 01:40:30.640 --> 01:40:33.560 it doesn't exist. The only place this exists is here 2107 01:40:33.600 --> 01:40:37.039 in this obituary, which tells me she's a spook because 2108 01:40:37.119 --> 01:40:38.479 just like all the other guys who went to work 2109 01:40:38.479 --> 01:40:40.279 for NASA and Michaud and all this stuff from the 2110 01:40:40.319 --> 01:40:43.520 coffee company, right, it's the same thing. These are fronts. 2111 01:40:43.960 --> 01:40:47.600 These are fronts. She's preceded in death by her parents 2112 01:40:47.880 --> 01:40:51.399 Joe and Corene. Call to Geron, and her brother Joe 2113 01:40:51.399 --> 01:40:54.159 call to Geron Junior. Very very important. We'll get to 2114 01:40:54.159 --> 01:40:57.439 that here momentarily. And this is the weird thing. She 2115 01:40:57.439 --> 01:41:01.439 got a whole bunch of kids under the name Roberts, George, Robert, Roland, 2116 01:41:01.520 --> 01:41:06.079 George Roberts, another Land, another Roland. It is very strange, right, 2117 01:41:06.119 --> 01:41:12.279 so very very strange. But she has a first cousin 2118 01:41:12.439 --> 01:41:16.239 named Vincent Calter Geron Junior. And how I kind of 2119 01:41:16.319 --> 01:41:18.760 figured this out was because like, I took a break 2120 01:41:18.800 --> 01:41:21.319 from studying the assassination to study some Jack Valenti for 2121 01:41:21.319 --> 01:41:23.600 a while, and then I come across the name Calter Groone. 2122 01:41:23.840 --> 01:41:25.399 Then when I go back to my studies, I'm like, 2123 01:41:25.439 --> 01:41:27.479 wait a minute, cal to Girone, Wait a minute. I 2124 01:41:27.479 --> 01:41:29.159 got call to Garan's at the ice skating rink, and 2125 01:41:29.199 --> 01:41:31.119 I got calt To Groans connected to Jack BLENTI. What's 2126 01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:33.840 going on here right? So that I find this Vincent 2127 01:41:33.840 --> 01:41:36.840 Caldigron Junior. After graduating Saint Thomas High School in forty three, 2128 01:41:36.920 --> 01:41:39.800 Vincent attended Texas A and M University, followed by an 2129 01:41:39.880 --> 01:41:44.079 enlistment in the US Navy Naval Intelligence. Upon discharge, he 2130 01:41:44.119 --> 01:41:46.760 received his bachelor's degree from the University of Houston, followed 2131 01:41:46.800 --> 01:41:49.720 by thirty five years in the insurance business. That's a 2132 01:41:49.760 --> 01:41:52.439 total lie. Vincent was a board member of the National 2133 01:41:52.520 --> 01:41:57.560 YMCA Scuba Program Okay. One of Vincent's recreational diversions was 2134 01:41:57.560 --> 01:42:02.039 teaching scuba at the Houston Downtown YMCA. Vincent was a 2135 01:42:02.079 --> 01:42:05.159 member of the Saint Vincent de Paul Catholic Church, as 2136 01:42:05.159 --> 01:42:08.000 well as the Sacred Heart Society of Little York. The 2137 01:42:08.039 --> 01:42:10.359 most important stuff in this, but all that was very important. 2138 01:42:10.359 --> 01:42:12.279 But the most important stuff here is the fact that 2139 01:42:12.319 --> 01:42:15.119 he was survived by his wife of fifty years, ROBERTA 2140 01:42:15.159 --> 01:42:19.079 Bobby called to Gerone. And that's not the mother of 2141 01:42:19.119 --> 01:42:21.520 his children though. The mother of his children is someone else. 2142 01:42:21.680 --> 01:42:24.600 So his children are Tom Calter Gerone and wife Lou 2143 01:42:24.680 --> 01:42:26.800 called the Groan, and they have a son named Jack 2144 01:42:26.800 --> 01:42:30.439 Calter Gerone. Okay, very very important stuff here, all right. 2145 01:42:30.520 --> 01:42:34.560 So then let me see then, as I'm like I said, 2146 01:42:34.560 --> 01:42:36.800 I was studying Jack Valenti and you got a question. 2147 01:42:36.800 --> 01:42:42.159 Yes I do. I just go back up to that lady. 2148 01:42:42.399 --> 01:42:48.680 That lady here now she was born called to Garne, correct. 2149 01:42:48.479 --> 01:42:50.359 Yeah, she was born Mary called to Gerone. 2150 01:42:50.439 --> 01:42:50.800 Correct. 2151 01:42:50.880 --> 01:42:55.000 Okay, And and why do you just remind us why 2152 01:42:55.039 --> 01:42:56.520 are we talking about her again? 2153 01:42:57.680 --> 01:42:59.840 We're talking about her because this is the woman that 2154 01:43:00.079 --> 01:43:04.359 founded the Winterland Ice Arena with her husband. And we'll 2155 01:43:04.359 --> 01:43:07.279 get to how it how it came about being here momentarily, 2156 01:43:07.720 --> 01:43:09.840 but she was the founder of the Winterland Ice Rink. 2157 01:43:10.119 --> 01:43:10.439 Okay. 2158 01:43:11.760 --> 01:43:14.600 This is her cousin, Vincent Caltagerone Junior, who has a 2159 01:43:14.640 --> 01:43:16.560 son named Tom Calter Geron and a wife named Lou 2160 01:43:16.600 --> 01:43:20.800 cal Degerone and their grandson Jack Calter Gerone. And so 2161 01:43:21.840 --> 01:43:23.800 the name call to Gerone. This is like one of 2162 01:43:23.800 --> 01:43:25.720 the moments that I almost fell off the world. I 2163 01:43:25.800 --> 01:43:28.760 was like, like I couldn't believe it, Like i've this 2164 01:43:28.840 --> 01:43:31.960 was to me the most significant discovery in all of 2165 01:43:32.039 --> 01:43:36.119 Kennedy research up to this date at that time, So 2166 01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:39.079 I start, like I said, I the name Calter Gerone 2167 01:43:39.079 --> 01:43:41.079 popped up when I studied Jack Valenti. And here's why. 2168 01:43:41.600 --> 01:43:44.640 So Lorraine is Jack Valenti's sister. Loraine Valenti Diynerstcene is 2169 01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:45.840 what she'll go on to be Shell marry a guy 2170 01:43:45.880 --> 01:43:48.359 named Ted Dinerstein. Just a side note, the Dinerstein's, the 2171 01:43:48.399 --> 01:43:51.319 Calter Garons, and the Valentes were names that all worked 2172 01:43:51.319 --> 01:43:54.199 for Traffcante Senior in Tampa in the nineteen twenties and thirties. 2173 01:43:54.399 --> 01:43:57.640 Wow, coincidence, I think not so. 2174 01:43:57.880 --> 01:44:01.560 Lorraine, who's Jack Valenti's sister, was preceded death by a 2175 01:44:01.560 --> 01:44:04.199 loving husband, Ted Dinerstein. This was like in the nineties 2176 01:44:04.279 --> 01:44:08.119 or two thousands or something. Her brother Jack Valenti and 2177 01:44:08.119 --> 01:44:10.319 his wife Mary Margaret Valenti and her parents. So we're 2178 01:44:10.319 --> 01:44:13.039 talking about the same Valente's. She is survived by her 2179 01:44:13.079 --> 01:44:15.800 son Tom cal To Gerone and his wife named Lou 2180 01:44:16.239 --> 01:44:18.960 and her son Jack call To Gerone. And it was 2181 01:44:19.000 --> 01:44:23.199 at this moment that I was like, holy shit, because 2182 01:44:23.199 --> 01:44:26.159 when you go back up to Vincent Caltageron Junior, he 2183 01:44:26.239 --> 01:44:28.560 also has a son, Tom Calter Geron and a wife 2184 01:44:28.680 --> 01:44:32.000 named Lou with a Graam's son named Jack. I'm like, 2185 01:44:32.279 --> 01:44:34.039 what are the odds of that? This is about a 2186 01:44:34.039 --> 01:44:36.960 million trillion got billion to one right? So no, they 2187 01:44:36.960 --> 01:44:41.239 were married. The cousin of the founder of the Winterland, 2188 01:44:41.239 --> 01:44:44.479 which David Ferry used as his alibi, was married to 2189 01:44:45.359 --> 01:44:48.479 Jack Valenti's sister. Okay, when I'm starting to realize this, 2190 01:44:48.640 --> 01:44:54.680 my mind is exploding. So here we have from the 2191 01:44:54.760 --> 01:44:58.159 Jack Valenti file where this is talking about a little 2192 01:44:58.159 --> 01:45:01.359 bit of a family background and it lists some relatives. 2193 01:45:01.399 --> 01:45:04.039 It says relatives listed as Joseph Valenti father, this is 2194 01:45:04.079 --> 01:45:07.680 Jack Valenti's dad age sixty seven, Joseph fine To George 2195 01:45:07.720 --> 01:45:11.039 Valenti who was a mother, yeah, age sixty one, and 2196 01:45:11.079 --> 01:45:15.079 then Lorraine Valenti Dinerstein, aged thirty eight, all of Houston. 2197 01:45:15.760 --> 01:45:17.279 He only had one sister, I don't know why they 2198 01:45:17.359 --> 01:45:20.520 redacted it. It's obvious, so that was redacted. But then 2199 01:45:20.560 --> 01:45:24.760 in the column they wrote the name Vincent and drew 2200 01:45:24.760 --> 01:45:28.199 a line to Lorraine. Okay, so the FBI. 2201 01:45:28.439 --> 01:45:30.119 Was well aware, can do that, Okay. 2202 01:45:31.199 --> 01:45:34.239 FBI was well aware of Vincent Calton Grown Junior, well 2203 01:45:34.279 --> 01:45:38.079 aware of the relationship with Jack's sister, and they redacted it. 2204 01:45:38.479 --> 01:45:40.800 And why they redacted it, and why they would write 2205 01:45:40.880 --> 01:45:43.279 Vincent's name in the column, I have no idea. This 2206 01:45:43.319 --> 01:45:45.199 to me was the icing on the cake, showing that 2207 01:45:45.319 --> 01:45:48.800 Jack Valenti's sister had actually married Vincent Calton ger Own Junior, 2208 01:45:49.000 --> 01:45:51.960 who was the cousin of Mary Boots Roberts who founded 2209 01:45:51.960 --> 01:45:55.239 De Winterland and the Winterland was founded just a couple 2210 01:45:55.279 --> 01:45:59.199 of years before the Rolands took it over. This is 2211 01:45:59.239 --> 01:46:04.960 the Lorraine valent Vincent marriage license, proving that Jack Vlndey's 2212 01:46:04.960 --> 01:46:08.479 sister was married to Vincent called the Grown Junior. Now 2213 01:46:08.600 --> 01:46:11.760 let me read this. This is extremely significant. This is 2214 01:46:11.760 --> 01:46:14.079 written by Richard Roland, the guy we saw earlier in 2215 01:46:14.079 --> 01:46:17.439 the picture with the ice skates on. Obviously many years later. 2216 01:46:17.720 --> 01:46:20.479 This is my mom, Joyce Roland. I saw some previous 2217 01:46:20.520 --> 01:46:23.840 posts where there were questions about who owned the Winterland 2218 01:46:23.880 --> 01:46:27.239 ice rink. Her recollection is that the Johnson family built 2219 01:46:27.239 --> 01:46:30.319 the building at the rink. The Johnson family, okay, the 2220 01:46:30.439 --> 01:46:34.359 Johnson Family Enterprise was the company owned by Lyndon Johnson 2221 01:46:34.359 --> 01:46:37.279 and his family. Most people don't know this. Lyndon Johnson 2222 01:46:37.359 --> 01:46:39.760 was the richest president we'd ever had at the time 2223 01:46:39.760 --> 01:46:43.439 that he was came into office. He was worth somewhere 2224 01:46:43.439 --> 01:46:46.479 around three hundred million dollars and him and his family 2225 01:46:46.520 --> 01:46:51.479 business owned about half a downtown Houston, including the Winterland 2226 01:46:51.479 --> 01:46:55.760 ice skating rink, which means Lyndon Johnson was the owner 2227 01:46:55.760 --> 01:47:01.079 of the Winterland. This is absolutely earth shattering. They owned 2228 01:47:01.079 --> 01:47:03.239 the multi story building across the street, the front of Kirby, 2229 01:47:03.319 --> 01:47:05.880 and other real estate throughout Houston. Their motivation was from 2230 01:47:05.960 --> 01:47:09.600 Ronnie and Boots Roberts. Ronnie and Boots owned or managed 2231 01:47:09.600 --> 01:47:11.960 the ice skating studio in the center where the Western 2232 01:47:12.039 --> 01:47:14.000 Kitchen was. It was from there they talked to the 2233 01:47:14.039 --> 01:47:16.960 Johnson's about building a full size rink. Something didn't go 2234 01:47:17.079 --> 01:47:19.800 well with the Roberts, and my parents, Joyce and Chuck 2235 01:47:19.920 --> 01:47:22.760 Roland became the tenants of the building and managed the rink. 2236 01:47:22.800 --> 01:47:24.960 For many years. I have a major problem with that statement, 2237 01:47:24.960 --> 01:47:27.319 which we'll get to here in a second. She's unclear 2238 01:47:27.359 --> 01:47:30.039 why they gave it up. But my dad went into 2239 01:47:30.079 --> 01:47:33.239 business called Landia of Houston. My sister Rulona and Tammy 2240 01:47:33.600 --> 01:47:36.000 both became professional ice skaters and traveled the world with 2241 01:47:36.039 --> 01:47:38.720 holiday on ice and ice capades. Rou Loona, who was 2242 01:47:38.760 --> 01:47:42.199 his sister, went our World Professional Championship during that time period. 2243 01:47:42.680 --> 01:47:44.800 Back then, if you had gone professional, you could not 2244 01:47:44.840 --> 01:47:47.560 compete in the Olympics. I was just a hack hockey player, 2245 01:47:47.760 --> 01:47:49.840 but I loved the rink as well as anybody. Then 2246 01:47:49.840 --> 01:47:51.640 he lists a whole bunch of other players who were 2247 01:47:51.640 --> 01:47:57.720 there back in the day. But the story is that 2248 01:47:57.760 --> 01:48:01.840 the Johnson family Enterprise built owned the rink. They leased 2249 01:48:01.840 --> 01:48:03.840 it to Mary Boots Roberts and Ronnie Roberts, and it 2250 01:48:03.880 --> 01:48:06.399 was built at their inspiration. Okay, so we have a 2251 01:48:06.479 --> 01:48:10.239 very tight relationship between the Johnson's, probably Lyndon Johnson directly, 2252 01:48:10.279 --> 01:48:13.880 actually it has to be Johnson directly and Mary Boots 2253 01:48:13.960 --> 01:48:18.640 Roberts and Ronnie Roberts. So this is the relationship chart 2254 01:48:18.680 --> 01:48:20.800 that we have here. We have Lyndon Johnson, who's the 2255 01:48:20.800 --> 01:48:24.199 new president right. His family business is at Johnson Family Enterprise, 2256 01:48:24.239 --> 01:48:26.920 and he owns the Winterland. He then leases it to 2257 01:48:26.960 --> 01:48:29.840 Mary cal To Gerone, whose brother's Joe cal To Gerone, 2258 01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:33.000 whose first cousin is Vincent cal To Geron Junior, who 2259 01:48:33.079 --> 01:48:36.840 was married to Loraene Valentidynerstein or divorced from, I should say, 2260 01:48:37.079 --> 01:48:41.159 And Loreen Valenti Joynerstein is the sister of Jack Valenti, 2261 01:48:41.159 --> 01:48:43.479 who's the right hand mand to Lyndon Johnson. This is 2262 01:48:43.760 --> 01:48:49.600 the most absolutely incredible and unbelievable series of relationships that 2263 01:48:49.600 --> 01:48:52.239 shouldn't exist in the entire assassination story. 2264 01:48:53.119 --> 01:48:56.399 When did Jack Valenti become the right hand man to LBJ? 2265 01:48:57.359 --> 01:49:04.159 Nineteen fifty six, nineteen fifty six. So here we have 2266 01:49:04.199 --> 01:49:08.720 an obvious intimate relationship between four people, Jack Valenti, Lyndon Johnson, 2267 01:49:08.800 --> 01:49:12.359 Mary Boots Roberts, and Vincent Calticker own Junr. These people 2268 01:49:12.520 --> 01:49:17.039 knew each other intimately. They were family. Literally, they were 2269 01:49:17.079 --> 01:49:23.159 literally family. It's this is shocking, and I'm the only 2270 01:49:23.199 --> 01:49:25.039 person that's figured this part out. No one ever studied 2271 01:49:25.039 --> 01:49:27.439 the Winterland. I don't know why, but I'll have to 2272 01:49:27.439 --> 01:49:29.039 get well here, let me give you some credit this 2273 01:49:29.399 --> 01:49:31.760 post here. This is what helped me put all this together. 2274 01:49:31.800 --> 01:49:34.359 And this wasn't even available till twenty eighteen. This post 2275 01:49:34.399 --> 01:49:37.359 was made in twenty eighteen, So nobody prior to twenty 2276 01:49:37.399 --> 01:49:39.840 eighteen could have had any idea that Lyndon Johnson owned 2277 01:49:39.840 --> 01:49:42.039 the Winterland because it's not anywhere else. 2278 01:49:42.439 --> 01:49:46.560 So guy writing this post is the son of our 2279 01:49:47.520 --> 01:49:50.159 Roland Rowland, who testifies Remyshaw Treu. 2280 01:49:50.319 --> 01:49:53.319 Yes, correct, correct, So. 2281 01:49:55.279 --> 01:49:58.319 All right, so we'll continue on with the story before 2282 01:49:58.319 --> 01:50:01.399 we get to the big kicker at the end. So 2283 01:50:01.479 --> 01:50:04.880 this is back to that original document showing that David 2284 01:50:04.920 --> 01:50:07.880 Ferry and them stayed at whereas the Alam Motel and 2285 01:50:07.920 --> 01:50:09.439 all this stuff, right, so they checked in the Ala 2286 01:50:09.479 --> 01:50:11.600 Hotel and one of the phone calls made. The whole 2287 01:50:11.640 --> 01:50:14.119 point of this part of the document is that they 2288 01:50:14.159 --> 01:50:16.800 made one local call to an unidentified number mo O 2289 01:50:17.039 --> 01:50:21.359 four dash three five eight one. Okay, So one thing 2290 01:50:21.399 --> 01:50:23.039 I just want to comment on on the side note 2291 01:50:23.079 --> 01:50:25.760 says here November twenty eight sixty three, Chuck Roland Winterland's 2292 01:50:25.760 --> 01:50:28.840 skating rink was interviewed, at which time he stated the 2293 01:50:28.880 --> 01:50:32.000 man introduced himself as Ferry Ferris or Ferry contacted him 2294 01:50:32.000 --> 01:50:35.760 by telephone tells his whole story. Garrison was smart enough 2295 01:50:35.760 --> 01:50:37.359 to know the whole story was bunk, and he wrote 2296 01:50:37.399 --> 01:50:39.680 phony right here in the column because he knew the 2297 01:50:39.680 --> 01:50:42.840 whole story was bs right. Garrison knew so much more 2298 01:50:42.880 --> 01:50:47.520 than he ever said publicly. It's wild, So this is 2299 01:50:47.520 --> 01:50:48.279 the Gateway swimming. 2300 01:50:50.359 --> 01:50:52.479 So I was, at least personally, he was so caught 2301 01:50:52.560 --> 01:50:56.640 up in the wsh of skation in that document. I 2302 01:50:56.800 --> 01:50:59.279 never even paid attention to that phone number right below it. 2303 01:50:59.520 --> 01:51:02.319 Yeah, yeah, nobody has, and it's listed as unidentified in 2304 01:51:02.359 --> 01:51:04.920 every document and book I've ever seen. The only person 2305 01:51:04.960 --> 01:51:08.039 that ever knew what it was was Garrison, because Garrison 2306 01:51:08.239 --> 01:51:10.279 the number comes back to the Gateway swim and skate, 2307 01:51:11.119 --> 01:51:12.960 which is another ice gating rink. And we'll get to 2308 01:51:13.000 --> 01:51:16.399 the story here in a second. But Garrison knew about 2309 01:51:16.399 --> 01:51:18.319 the Gateway, but I don't know if the rest of 2310 01:51:18.359 --> 01:51:21.439 the references to it were destroyed. But there's no other 2311 01:51:21.479 --> 01:51:23.680 references to the Gateway in any other Kennedy books or 2312 01:51:23.840 --> 01:51:26.960 anything ever period. It's something doesn't exist. And I'd say 2313 01:51:27.000 --> 01:51:29.279 the story of Houston is more about the Gateway than 2314 01:51:29.319 --> 01:51:31.800 it is about the Alam Motel. And so the Gateway 2315 01:51:31.800 --> 01:51:34.640 Swim and Skate. The thing that's significant about the Gateway 2316 01:51:34.640 --> 01:51:37.279 Swim and Skate is that, let me see, do I 2317 01:51:37.319 --> 01:51:37.600 have this yere? 2318 01:51:37.600 --> 01:51:40.319 Weeah'll me go ahead and read this. The Gateway Pool 2319 01:51:40.359 --> 01:51:43.239 opened in nineteen fifty nine. I was ten at the time. 2320 01:51:43.319 --> 01:51:46.279 This is a post from a Houston Architecture forum, and 2321 01:51:46.319 --> 01:51:48.199 they had this huge grand opening and my parents bought 2322 01:51:48.199 --> 01:51:50.239 me a season pass. Our house backed up close to it. 2323 01:51:50.399 --> 01:51:52.840 I would ride my bike through the vacant lot next 2324 01:51:52.840 --> 01:51:54.279 to our house and it was just on the other 2325 01:51:54.359 --> 01:51:56.680 side of the Alam Motel. Okay, so what do we 2326 01:51:56.720 --> 01:51:59.039 got here? We got them staying at the Alam Motel 2327 01:51:59.319 --> 01:52:02.880 next to the gate and we got them calling the Gateway. 2328 01:52:03.199 --> 01:52:06.479 From the Ala Motel. That seems a whole lot more. 2329 01:52:06.399 --> 01:52:10.000 Significant than them going to visit the Winterland, Right, Why 2330 01:52:10.039 --> 01:52:11.680 are they going to Why are they getting a hotel 2331 01:52:11.720 --> 01:52:13.920 directly next to the gateway, and why are they calling 2332 01:52:13.920 --> 01:52:16.680 the gateway? And why is nobody acknowledging that they called 2333 01:52:16.680 --> 01:52:17.079 the gateway? 2334 01:52:17.119 --> 01:52:19.600 Okay? Could it just be like, hey, are you gonna 2335 01:52:19.640 --> 01:52:20.119 still open? 2336 01:52:23.039 --> 01:52:24.840 I mean, sure, if you want to play Devil's Advocate, 2337 01:52:24.880 --> 01:52:29.760 that's what it could be. But now we've established. The 2338 01:52:30.159 --> 01:52:33.680 Gateway is opened in nineteen fifty nine. And why did 2339 01:52:33.680 --> 01:52:35.600 it open in nineteen fifty nine because it used to 2340 01:52:35.680 --> 01:52:38.239 be the bell Air. The bel Air was knocked down 2341 01:52:38.680 --> 01:52:41.119 and they rebuilt the whole thing into the Gateway Swim 2342 01:52:41.159 --> 01:52:43.920 and Skate. But David Ferry used the bell Air as 2343 01:52:43.960 --> 01:52:46.359 his alibi story. So what does that tell you that 2344 01:52:46.439 --> 01:52:48.600 he had been making trips to Houston and was well 2345 01:52:48.640 --> 01:52:50.880 aware of the bell Air which hadn't been open in 2346 01:52:50.920 --> 01:52:55.760 four years. So David Ferry's relationship to call to Garon 2347 01:52:56.119 --> 01:52:59.159 to Houston and to the to the Gateway and all 2348 01:52:59.199 --> 01:53:02.479 this stuff goes back at least four years. Why what 2349 01:53:02.600 --> 01:53:05.720 was Ferry doing in Houston four years prior? And more 2350 01:53:05.760 --> 01:53:08.199 than four years because it was noted down four years prior. 2351 01:53:08.560 --> 01:53:11.359 How what is the relationship here between this bell Air 2352 01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:13.920 and David Ferry? Well, I don't understand. 2353 01:53:13.960 --> 01:53:16.720 Couldn't have been a hub for again, I'm throwing it 2354 01:53:16.720 --> 01:53:19.039 out there for you know, was it a hub for 2355 01:53:19.119 --> 01:53:23.479 Eastern Air? And look, I'm going to meet a couple 2356 01:53:23.520 --> 01:53:26.119 of I'm gonna have a side thing going on while 2357 01:53:26.119 --> 01:53:28.680 I'm in Houston. I'm gonna roll over here, I'm gonna 2358 01:53:28.680 --> 01:53:31.279 stay here I'm gonna hang out, and that's how I 2359 01:53:31.319 --> 01:53:33.239 remember it. I have good memories of bell Air when 2360 01:53:33.239 --> 01:53:36.359 I stayed there. Isn't it some new name now, you 2361 01:53:36.399 --> 01:53:40.600 know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, I could have been 2362 01:53:41.600 --> 01:53:43.199 all right. So let's go back to Vincent calling grown 2363 01:53:43.239 --> 01:53:46.319 Junior's obituary. Remember he's the first cousin of the founder 2364 01:53:46.359 --> 01:53:49.840 of the Winchland. One of Vincent's recreational diversions was teaching 2365 01:53:49.840 --> 01:53:53.359 scuba at the Houston Downtown YMCA. Okay, the Downtown Houston 2366 01:53:53.479 --> 01:53:59.600 YMCA was formerly the Gateway Swiming's gate Okay, coincidence, I think, 2367 01:53:59.640 --> 01:54:03.560 not so obviously. To me, Vincent called the Groan was 2368 01:54:03.560 --> 01:54:05.800 probably working at the Gateway Swim and Skate, which is 2369 01:54:05.800 --> 01:54:07.600 why they called him, which is why they went there. 2370 01:54:08.600 --> 01:54:11.239 And that was probably his day gig at the Gateway 2371 01:54:11.239 --> 01:54:14.680 teaching scuba while he was allegedly an insurance professional. Right, 2372 01:54:14.720 --> 01:54:16.640 he's supposed to be an insurance professional, but he don't 2373 01:54:16.640 --> 01:54:19.560 work for no bank for thirty five years. Yeah, So 2374 01:54:21.680 --> 01:54:25.319 why does YMCA keep showing up in Kennedy. 2375 01:54:26.359 --> 01:54:27.399 I think a couple of reasons. 2376 01:54:28.479 --> 01:54:28.600 Well. 2377 01:54:28.680 --> 01:54:32.640 Number one, Jack Valenti at some point sat on the 2378 01:54:32.640 --> 01:54:35.079 border directors of the YMCA. I don't know how relevant 2379 01:54:35.119 --> 01:54:36.800 that is, but he also sat on the Border Directors 2380 01:54:36.800 --> 01:54:39.439 of TWA. So right there off the bat, you got 2381 01:54:39.439 --> 01:54:41.760 an airplane and a place to stay that you can 2382 01:54:41.760 --> 01:54:43.479 get on if you're the board member with no record 2383 01:54:43.520 --> 01:54:48.239 of that seems to me to be pretty significant. He 2384 01:54:48.319 --> 01:54:50.079 sat on the board of the directors of the of 2385 01:54:50.119 --> 01:54:53.359 the of the scuba program for YMCA, so Vincent called 2386 01:54:53.359 --> 01:54:55.760 the grone was connected to national higher ups by some way, 2387 01:54:56.039 --> 01:54:58.159 probably through Jack Valenti, who sat on the Border Directors 2388 01:54:58.199 --> 01:55:02.800 of the YMCA imc A. Why else would it pop. 2389 01:55:02.680 --> 01:55:09.039 Up, Well, he stay at the Tampa YMCA across the 2390 01:55:09.079 --> 01:55:11.960 street from that that when he was had that dependent 2391 01:55:12.000 --> 01:55:14.680 in nineteen forty nine. You know, there was that that 2392 01:55:14.800 --> 01:55:17.199 kind of discrepancy where he had that address, but he 2393 01:55:17.319 --> 01:55:19.760 was also staying at the YMCA. It just sounds like 2394 01:55:19.800 --> 01:55:22.479 a place to meet eyes. Maybe. 2395 01:55:23.319 --> 01:55:24.840 Yeah. I mean, I'm sure there was some of that 2396 01:55:24.880 --> 01:55:28.760 going on there for sure, but I don't know. I mean, 2397 01:55:29.079 --> 01:55:31.560 the YMCA just seems like it's been some sort of 2398 01:55:31.760 --> 01:55:36.319 nefarious like CIA covert safe house thing going on, you know. 2399 01:55:36.439 --> 01:55:39.640 Yeah, Jack Martin is known to have stayed at YMCAs. 2400 01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:41.159 I just I mean, like. 2401 01:55:41.279 --> 01:55:43.560 Well, also it was it was very prevalent back then 2402 01:55:43.600 --> 01:55:44.319 where it's not today. 2403 01:55:44.520 --> 01:55:45.520 Nobody exactly why, like. 2404 01:55:45.479 --> 01:55:48.199 Little from where it was like what what is this 2405 01:55:48.359 --> 01:55:50.720 like Lily where they go to play basketball or something? 2406 01:55:50.800 --> 01:55:54.439 You know, right, yeah, yeah, So Vince Caldgirl and Junior 2407 01:55:54.439 --> 01:55:56.880 worked at the downtown Houston YMCA, which was the Gateway. 2408 01:55:56.920 --> 01:55:59.119 Not a coincidence. He was probably the guy the way. 2409 01:55:59.239 --> 01:56:00.640 This is how I kind of put together this with 2410 01:56:00.680 --> 01:56:05.239 the Short Tramp and then Raoul stuff, because basically you 2411 01:56:05.359 --> 01:56:08.359 have all this activity. Obviously this trip to Houston was 2412 01:56:08.399 --> 01:56:12.399 about Vincent. Okay, they're calling the Gateway, they're visiting the Gateway. 2413 01:56:12.439 --> 01:56:15.880 Why why He's the only person in this whole damn 2414 01:56:15.920 --> 01:56:19.520 story connected to any of that stuff. And by my calculations, 2415 01:56:19.640 --> 01:56:22.079 he is also the short Tramp in Daily Plaza, which 2416 01:56:22.159 --> 01:56:25.079 James Earl Ray identified as the real Raoul, which connects 2417 01:56:25.119 --> 01:56:26.960 us to Martin Luther King, which to me again makes 2418 01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:27.439 perfect sense. 2419 01:56:27.439 --> 01:56:30.439 And when you study Raoul, Raoul went. 2420 01:56:30.279 --> 01:56:34.199 To University of Houston, has the same basic flow of 2421 01:56:34.239 --> 01:56:35.760 life that Vincent has. 2422 01:56:35.880 --> 01:56:36.880 It's the same exact thing. 2423 01:56:37.279 --> 01:56:42.680 So James Bay, does he actually say the tramp. 2424 01:56:42.520 --> 01:56:46.560 Phil Yeah, yes, yeah, he identified the short tramp as Raoul. 2425 01:56:50.119 --> 01:56:53.760 So moving on, This is the short tramp on the right. 2426 01:56:53.840 --> 01:56:55.600 This is Vincent called the Garona on the left, from 2427 01:56:55.640 --> 01:56:57.920 about fifteen to twenty years prior, when he didn't have 2428 01:56:57.920 --> 01:57:00.600 as much of a receding hairline. Look at the nose. 2429 01:57:00.680 --> 01:57:02.600 The nose is identical. But one thing I have to 2430 01:57:02.600 --> 01:57:04.560 point out this obfuscation in the photo on the right. 2431 01:57:04.600 --> 01:57:06.680 Look at the guys. Look at his eyes. These eyes 2432 01:57:06.680 --> 01:57:09.880 are not natural they they have clearly been touched up, altered. 2433 01:57:10.560 --> 01:57:14.880 There's actually another photograph where he has a completely different nose, 2434 01:57:15.279 --> 01:57:17.000 like the nose was just pasted on the picture. I'll 2435 01:57:17.000 --> 01:57:19.720 show you that later. But everything about it is the same. 2436 01:57:19.800 --> 01:57:23.800 The chin as identical, the nose is identical. The relationships 2437 01:57:23.840 --> 01:57:26.640 behind are all at play here. I mean, to me, 2438 01:57:26.640 --> 01:57:29.439 it's pretty obvious. Vincent Caltagron was a short tramp also 2439 01:57:29.479 --> 01:57:32.880 identified as row Wull by James ar Away. This to 2440 01:57:32.920 --> 01:57:35.520 me completes a big circle all surrounding the winterland. 2441 01:57:35.920 --> 01:57:39.640 Wow uh, I mean that's the most dashing tramp in history. 2442 01:57:39.680 --> 01:57:42.720 Look at that pop collar and everything. Well, also look. 2443 01:57:42.560 --> 01:57:43.079 At his chin. 2444 01:57:43.119 --> 01:57:45.560 Look at what they're doing. The three champs are experienced. 2445 01:57:45.600 --> 01:57:48.399 When you look at the photographs, they're all distorting their faces. 2446 01:57:48.720 --> 01:57:51.560 Look he's jutting his chin out, he's pushing it out. 2447 01:57:51.760 --> 01:57:53.920 Look at his eyes, he's kind of scrinching his eyes. 2448 01:57:54.560 --> 01:57:57.119 You know, I sent you the photos of Danny Green 2449 01:57:57.159 --> 01:57:59.720 and Liam Massari. They're doing the same thing. They're scrinching 2450 01:57:59.720 --> 01:58:03.920 their face. Look at the picture of Leo LIPSKII and yeah, yeah, 2451 01:58:03.960 --> 01:58:07.279 he's totally altering their face because they know they're being photographs, 2452 01:58:07.279 --> 01:58:09.680 Which tells me these guys are experienced. They've done this before. 2453 01:58:10.840 --> 01:58:14.239 So wait to say so, so everyone photographs. We're all 2454 01:58:14.279 --> 01:58:19.439 photographs confiscated from Deli Plaza right. 2455 01:58:19.279 --> 01:58:23.159 To and guess where they were processed. 2456 01:58:23.159 --> 01:58:23.520 I don't know. 2457 01:58:24.399 --> 01:58:25.880 Jagger, Charles Stovall. 2458 01:58:26.319 --> 01:58:28.800 Oswald's Oswald's former employer. 2459 01:58:29.640 --> 01:58:31.439 Yes, I would think there'd be a conflict of interest there, 2460 01:58:31.439 --> 01:58:32.720 but there's not, obviously. 2461 01:58:32.760 --> 01:58:35.399 And they were handed back, like so Mary Mormon takes 2462 01:58:35.439 --> 01:58:38.439 the famous black and white photo right before he goes back, 2463 01:58:38.680 --> 01:58:41.520 and that's handed that's like giving back to these people 2464 01:58:41.600 --> 01:58:43.920 is like here, like here's your name in at it. 2465 01:58:44.000 --> 01:58:45.840 It feels like that would be a lot of work 2466 01:58:45.920 --> 01:58:48.079 to like Okay, what's your graduress. I'm going to get 2467 01:58:48.079 --> 01:58:49.960 this back to you, but we need it first, but 2468 01:58:50.039 --> 01:58:52.439 you will get this back. Is that what happened? 2469 01:58:53.520 --> 01:58:54.600 That's the impression I get. 2470 01:58:54.680 --> 01:58:57.760 Yes, a lot of people didn't get him back, and 2471 01:58:57.800 --> 01:58:59.279 those pictures probably never got published. 2472 01:58:59.720 --> 01:59:05.800 So and Abraham's appruder screens his film fifteen times or 2473 01:59:05.800 --> 01:59:10.239 so on his I guess private projector I wonder if 2474 01:59:10.279 --> 01:59:14.760 that was the original before it got worked on, and. 2475 01:59:14.760 --> 01:59:18.800 Yeah, we've never seen original. Who the hell knows, man, 2476 01:59:19.159 --> 01:59:20.640 I don't know. I bet you he played it at 2477 01:59:20.680 --> 01:59:21.359 that party that night. 2478 01:59:22.520 --> 01:59:24.359 So is this year? 2479 01:59:24.439 --> 01:59:26.760 Is an interview with Glenda Grabow by James Douglas. This 2480 01:59:26.800 --> 01:59:28.279 gets a little off topic, but it gets onto the 2481 01:59:28.359 --> 01:59:32.000 Raoul stuff. It's pretty fascinating because Glenda Grebo is a 2482 01:59:32.000 --> 01:59:36.319 person who knew of Raoul and the testimony she provides 2483 01:59:36.359 --> 01:59:41.760 is pretty pretty wild. So she's talking to Jim's Douglas. 2484 01:59:42.439 --> 01:59:46.119 Who's the opera of JFK and The Unspeakable, right right. 2485 01:59:46.279 --> 01:59:49.680 So Glenna says, Raoul's like jacquelin Hyde, real nice, and 2486 01:59:49.720 --> 01:59:52.319 then he blow up. Jim says, different from the man 2487 01:59:52.359 --> 01:59:53.720 you once knew who was a friend to you, in 2488 01:59:53.760 --> 01:59:56.119 the early years. Yes, like jacqueal and Hyde, they're two 2489 01:59:56.119 --> 01:59:58.039 different people. That's like when I talked to him on 2490 01:59:58.039 --> 02:00:00.479 the phone for six minutes. Now when this is this 2491 02:00:00.520 --> 02:00:02.239 a couple of years ago. How'd you come to talk 2492 02:00:02.279 --> 02:00:04.520 to Raoul on the telephone a couple of years ago? Well, 2493 02:00:04.520 --> 02:00:06.880 I called information and got the number, but the investigators 2494 02:00:06.920 --> 02:00:09.159 didn't want me talking to him. They just wanted me 2495 02:00:09.239 --> 02:00:14.359 to go through them. Why did you telephone Raoul? Where's 2496 02:00:14.439 --> 02:00:17.159 Raoul living now? He's in New York. Did he acknowledge 2497 02:00:17.159 --> 02:00:18.159 on the phone that he knew you? 2498 02:00:18.359 --> 02:00:18.560 Yes? 2499 02:00:18.640 --> 02:00:21.239 He called me, oh, Linda, That's the way he always 2500 02:00:21.279 --> 02:00:23.319 used to pronounce her name. So she's with Roy, who's 2501 02:00:23.319 --> 02:00:25.720 her man at the time, I guess. 2502 02:00:25.520 --> 02:00:26.199 Glenna says. 2503 02:00:26.239 --> 02:00:28.680 And I asked him if he'd seen Lyndon Johnson's one 2504 02:00:28.680 --> 02:00:31.760 time speech writer, Jack Valenti. He said, hey, I haven't. 2505 02:00:32.000 --> 02:00:33.880 He said, hey, I haven't seen him in a long time, 2506 02:00:34.520 --> 02:00:37.039 and Jim goes, so Jack Valenti knew Raoul. 2507 02:00:37.399 --> 02:00:37.640 Yes. 2508 02:00:38.479 --> 02:00:42.159 She drive Raoul to the Alabama Theater in Houston, and 2509 02:00:42.199 --> 02:00:43.600 that's where Jack Valenti was at. 2510 02:00:44.439 --> 02:00:47.600 Boy, this Roy needs to stop talking, I know. 2511 02:00:48.479 --> 02:00:50.800 Did you think Jack Valenti knows Raoul's connection with the 2512 02:00:50.840 --> 02:00:55.760 king assassination, and she goes, sure, so to me, and 2513 02:00:55.800 --> 02:00:58.600 the fact that Vince Caliger own Junior was Jack Valenti's 2514 02:00:58.640 --> 02:01:00.880 former brother in law, and they tried to up to me. 2515 02:01:01.199 --> 02:01:04.079 The identification of Raoul is pretty cut and dry at 2516 02:01:04.079 --> 02:01:08.920 this point. How did you meet Percy Foreman? Oh, this 2517 02:01:09.000 --> 02:01:11.039 is another connection. This is another is a great one, 2518 02:01:11.279 --> 02:01:14.039 more evidence. How did you meet Percy Foreman? And Glenna says, well, 2519 02:01:14.039 --> 02:01:16.199 he was a lawyer in Houston. Roy's brother got in 2520 02:01:16.199 --> 02:01:18.520 trouble one time and he used Percy Foreman as his attorney. 2521 02:01:18.760 --> 02:01:21.119 We never knew he'd been raised attorney. We never paid 2522 02:01:21.119 --> 02:01:23.920 no attention to that. I was raising kids when that happened. 2523 02:01:23.920 --> 02:01:26.079 So we went up to Foreman's office to help Roy's brother. 2524 02:01:26.159 --> 02:01:29.439 Foreman was there. How did Foreman's connection with James Earl 2525 02:01:29.479 --> 02:01:29.960 Ray come up? 2526 02:01:30.239 --> 02:01:30.359 Oh? 2527 02:01:30.439 --> 02:01:32.199 Yeah, books and all kinds of stuff about Ray and 2528 02:01:32.239 --> 02:01:34.279 there and I got to talking about him and about Raoul. 2529 02:01:34.880 --> 02:01:37.840 How did he respond to your telling him about Raoul 2530 02:01:37.880 --> 02:01:41.760 killing Martin Luther King? He said he knew Raoul. Percy Foreman, 2531 02:01:42.079 --> 02:01:45.680 James Earl Ray's lawyer, knew Raoul what was his attitudes 2532 02:01:45.720 --> 02:01:50.319 towards Ray? Okay, so here we have Percy Foreman admitting 2533 02:01:50.399 --> 02:01:54.239 to Glenda that he knows Raoul. Well, guess what Percy 2534 02:01:54.319 --> 02:01:59.000 Foreman was Vincent called to Geron Junior's lawyer in nineteen 2535 02:01:59.520 --> 02:02:05.000 sixty six when the Mossler murder happened. Okay, so here 2536 02:02:05.039 --> 02:02:08.560 we have even more relationship between Raoul Percy Foreman and 2537 02:02:08.640 --> 02:02:10.239 Vincent Calter Gerham Junior. 2538 02:02:09.960 --> 02:02:10.920 Who was the roommates. 2539 02:02:11.000 --> 02:02:13.680 See Vincent Calter grown Junior keeps popping up in all 2540 02:02:13.720 --> 02:02:17.960 these places. He ain't supposed to be right, So yeah, 2541 02:02:18.000 --> 02:02:22.880 to me, the connection between Jack Valenti and Vincent caldigerown Junior, 2542 02:02:22.920 --> 02:02:25.640 the connection to Glinda and Raoul. To me, this is 2543 02:02:25.720 --> 02:02:27.720 pretty cut. This is all cut and dry. This to 2544 02:02:27.760 --> 02:02:29.720 me is pretty obvious. Then you add to that the 2545 02:02:29.800 --> 02:02:34.880 identification by James R. Array of Vincent the short tramp 2546 02:02:35.159 --> 02:02:37.720 as Raoul, and you got the nail in the coffin 2547 02:02:37.760 --> 02:02:38.439 for the whole story. 2548 02:02:38.640 --> 02:02:40.960 So yes, yeah, let me just add an eating James 2549 02:02:41.159 --> 02:02:44.359 James R. Array was patsied or where what? 2550 02:02:44.640 --> 02:02:46.520 Oh yeah, oh yeah, one hundred percent. 2551 02:02:46.920 --> 02:02:49.399 And you know I don't have enough information to say 2552 02:02:49.399 --> 02:02:51.920 this with any certainty, but Jack Valenti was traveling at 2553 02:02:51.920 --> 02:02:53.840 the time that Martin Luther King got killed. I'd be 2554 02:02:53.880 --> 02:02:55.520 willing to put my money on the fact that Jack 2555 02:02:55.600 --> 02:02:58.119 Valenti shot Martin Luther King, and hopefully I'll get be 2556 02:02:58.159 --> 02:03:01.239 able to get to that research one day there and 2557 02:03:01.279 --> 02:03:03.520 that would make sense. It would also substantiate the fact 2558 02:03:03.560 --> 02:03:08.680 that both Vincent and Jack were together a two assassinations, 2559 02:03:08.680 --> 02:03:13.000 meaning that Vincent is the trusted spotter, which would be 2560 02:03:13.039 --> 02:03:15.920 the same relationship like between Lenny Patrick and Dave Yaris, 2561 02:03:15.920 --> 02:03:18.600 who are who were partners for like decades. You know 2562 02:03:18.640 --> 02:03:20.439 what I mean. I think when you're an assassin, you 2563 02:03:20.520 --> 02:03:22.279 got a spotter you know you can You got a 2564 02:03:22.279 --> 02:03:24.720 guy you know you can trust no matter what. And 2565 02:03:24.720 --> 02:03:26.159 in this case, he knew could trust himcause he's a 2566 02:03:26.199 --> 02:03:26.880 former brother in law. 2567 02:03:27.039 --> 02:03:27.159 Right. 2568 02:03:27.279 --> 02:03:29.239 So to me, the whole thing seems to fall into 2569 02:03:29.279 --> 02:03:32.760 place very speculative. I'll admit, well, hey, but when it 2570 02:03:32.800 --> 02:03:34.319 walks like a duck, it qualks like a duck, it's 2571 02:03:34.319 --> 02:03:35.079 probably a duck, you know. 2572 02:03:35.239 --> 02:03:37.159 You know, I'll just say there's a thread I've been 2573 02:03:37.399 --> 02:03:40.600 I've been hunting on James or Ray that I'm hoping 2574 02:03:41.119 --> 02:03:44.720 I can uncover soon. But it's just every movement of 2575 02:03:44.880 --> 02:03:47.880 Ray leading in sixty eight leading up to the assassination 2576 02:03:48.000 --> 02:03:52.600 of King just got reeks of just being intelligence handled, 2577 02:03:53.039 --> 02:03:53.880 you know. Yeah. 2578 02:03:54.079 --> 02:03:54.319 Yeah. 2579 02:03:54.800 --> 02:03:56.239 And the fact that he makes it to Montreal and 2580 02:03:56.239 --> 02:03:59.199 Europe and all these places give me a break, all right? 2581 02:03:59.319 --> 02:04:03.439 So so Masler here, so he mentioned this Masler murder. 2582 02:04:04.319 --> 02:04:07.560 Yeah, here we go. So Jaques Mossler. Jacques Mosler was 2583 02:04:07.560 --> 02:04:10.039 like a He's worth like one hundred million dollars all 2584 02:04:10.079 --> 02:04:12.079 the way back in like nineteen sixties, right, So the 2585 02:04:12.119 --> 02:04:15.840 guy's worth a ton of money. He's alleged to have 2586 02:04:15.920 --> 02:04:17.880 been a homosexual. But he's married to this woman named 2587 02:04:17.920 --> 02:04:20.760 Candy Mossler who's like thirty years younger than him, and 2588 02:04:20.840 --> 02:04:23.239 the whole time she's having an affair with her actual nephew, 2589 02:04:23.640 --> 02:04:26.399 a guy named Melvin Powers. Okay, so it's Jesus Christ. 2590 02:04:26.399 --> 02:04:28.279 I mean the idea that we had drama before social 2591 02:04:28.359 --> 02:04:33.520 media to me as wild. So so yes, So that 2592 02:04:33.600 --> 02:04:35.680 whole thing is crazy. The whole situation with the Mosler 2593 02:04:35.760 --> 02:04:37.600 murder is crazy. And why is it crazy? Because Vincent 2594 02:04:37.640 --> 02:04:41.119 called the grown junior after the whole thing's being the 2595 02:04:41.199 --> 02:04:42.319 trial is already happening. 2596 02:04:42.399 --> 02:04:43.039 It's already there. 2597 02:04:43.319 --> 02:04:45.439 It's not until the trial is happening that they realize 2598 02:04:45.520 --> 02:04:49.079 Vincent is Mosler's roommate in Miami when he's supposed to 2599 02:04:49.079 --> 02:04:51.840 be an insurance professional in Houston. Right, So he's living 2600 02:04:51.880 --> 02:04:54.720 in Miami working at a bank as a teller, and 2601 02:04:54.840 --> 02:04:57.600 the bank is owned by Mosler. Okay, and he's living 2602 02:04:57.640 --> 02:05:00.640 with Mosler and Moster's an alleged homosexual. You read into 2603 02:05:00.680 --> 02:05:03.359 that what you will. But Massler is stabbed to death. 2604 02:05:03.399 --> 02:05:05.680 He stabbed like eighty times. Dude, He's like, I mean 2605 02:05:05.760 --> 02:05:10.119 this dude. Whoever killed him hated this guy. But Vincent 2606 02:05:10.279 --> 02:05:12.600 is never brought into this as a suspect ever. And 2607 02:05:12.800 --> 02:05:14.520 I have a feeling Vincent had far more to do 2608 02:05:14.640 --> 02:05:17.640 with Massler's murder than than anybody else. 2609 02:05:17.920 --> 02:05:21.199 I'm just good point out there. I mean, he's supposed 2610 02:05:21.199 --> 02:05:22.840 to be Yeah, he's supposed to be doing an insurance 2611 02:05:22.880 --> 02:05:26.439 in Houston. Uh is this the same guy? 2612 02:05:28.039 --> 02:05:29.520 Yeah? One hundred percent the same guy. 2613 02:05:30.720 --> 02:05:33.800 Oh yeah, former brother in law of Jack Valenti. Okay, yeah, 2614 02:05:34.520 --> 02:05:35.039 this is crazy. 2615 02:05:35.159 --> 02:05:37.720 Yeah, I notice the day on here, Yeah, February tenth, 2616 02:05:37.800 --> 02:05:40.840 sixty six. This is very important because Jack Valenti will 2617 02:05:40.840 --> 02:05:42.479 be out of the White House within three months. 2618 02:05:42.640 --> 02:05:45.800 That's right, that's right. So, by the way, so on 2619 02:05:45.960 --> 02:05:48.520 the twenty second in November, he gets kind of a promotion. 2620 02:05:48.720 --> 02:05:51.279 You can, you might say, He's like you're with me now, 2621 02:05:51.479 --> 02:05:53.920 kind of like you're not leaving my side, like everything 2622 02:05:54.000 --> 02:05:55.960 that's good. And so you in order to get a 2623 02:05:56.079 --> 02:05:59.239 meeting with the Oval Office, you will. 2624 02:05:59.119 --> 02:06:01.399 Go through Jack exactly. 2625 02:06:01.479 --> 02:06:05.119 And he was basically Lyndon Johnson's gatekeeper all the way 2626 02:06:05.239 --> 02:06:09.680 up until about May year of sixty six, May of 2627 02:06:09.760 --> 02:06:13.560 sixty six, because in May of sixty six, this story 2628 02:06:13.640 --> 02:06:17.039 breaks about about Vincent Calthic Geron Junior. It mentions Jack 2629 02:06:17.119 --> 02:06:19.640 Valenti by fucking name, I'm like, holy shit, right there, 2630 02:06:19.720 --> 02:06:24.039 It actually mentions Jack, connecting him to Vincent in the newspaper. Fuck, 2631 02:06:24.079 --> 02:06:27.159 I'm holy god, this isn't greable, this is great, Oh 2632 02:06:27.239 --> 02:06:30.600 my god. Right, and so but then Jack, almost instantly 2633 02:06:30.680 --> 02:06:33.399 by May, he's taken out of his position as gatekeeper. 2634 02:06:33.439 --> 02:06:35.560 He never had a policy position. He was just the 2635 02:06:35.640 --> 02:06:38.479 guy you talked to. He was like Lyndon Johnson's like 2636 02:06:38.640 --> 02:06:41.760 do boy, right, And so all of a sudden, though 2637 02:06:42.159 --> 02:06:45.840 all of the policy stuff was taken away from Bill 2638 02:06:45.920 --> 02:06:48.279 Moyer's and it was given to Jack Valenti, and from 2639 02:06:48.359 --> 02:06:51.239 May to June, Jack Valenti was the policy guy that 2640 02:06:51.319 --> 02:06:53.640 everyone had to go to. He starts meeting with Richard 2641 02:06:53.680 --> 02:06:59.439 Helms of the CIA, and of sixty six sixty six yes, 2642 02:07:00.199 --> 02:07:04.600 of sixty six, Jack Valenti becomes right, completely unqualified. He 2643 02:07:04.640 --> 02:07:08.119 becomes the top guy in the White House for policy. Okay, 2644 02:07:08.319 --> 02:07:09.960 he does that for a month and a half or so, 2645 02:07:10.159 --> 02:07:13.159 and then he's out, and then he's he never leaves DC. 2646 02:07:13.600 --> 02:07:16.279 He takes over the NPAA and manages Hollywood from DC. 2647 02:07:17.359 --> 02:07:22.920 So like, uh, what you know, Yeah, he was CIA 2648 02:07:23.000 --> 02:07:25.079 the whole time. Here's the kicker for me with the 2649 02:07:25.399 --> 02:07:28.359 Mary Boots Roberts stuff. So on the left is Joyce Roland, 2650 02:07:28.920 --> 02:07:32.960 the mother of Richard Rowland, the wife of uh Chuck Land, 2651 02:07:34.079 --> 02:07:35.880 and then on the right you got Mary Boots Roberts. 2652 02:07:36.399 --> 02:07:39.319 That's the same goddamn person. And the big giveaway is 2653 02:07:39.359 --> 02:07:41.680 look at look at the chin, the jowls, the turkey neck, 2654 02:07:42.079 --> 02:07:45.159 the eyebrow, the direction of the hair wave. Obviously, the 2655 02:07:45.239 --> 02:07:47.359 picture on the left is many years after the picture 2656 02:07:47.399 --> 02:07:49.199 on the right, or vice versa. But this is the 2657 02:07:49.239 --> 02:07:53.680 same woman, Joyce Rowland and Mary Boots Roberts. I don't 2658 02:07:53.680 --> 02:07:55.119 even know what to say at this point about this. 2659 02:07:56.159 --> 02:07:58.479 What are they doing here? What are they what's going on? 2660 02:07:58.920 --> 02:08:00.840 And then obviously Richard Roland had to have been on 2661 02:08:00.880 --> 02:08:02.199 this to some degree because he goes, I don't know 2662 02:08:02.239 --> 02:08:05.079 what happened with the Roberts, but my mother, Joyce Roland 2663 02:08:05.079 --> 02:08:06.439 took over the Winterland bullshit. 2664 02:08:07.880 --> 02:08:13.279 Hang on, So so Joyce Rowland here and Boost Roberts, 2665 02:08:13.760 --> 02:08:21.399 NIMI call to gron right, this is Vincent's sister, cousin, cousin, 2666 02:08:21.600 --> 02:08:25.199 first cousin, So Roland, you're saying it's the same woman, 2667 02:08:25.479 --> 02:08:29.399 Roland Rowland and who tested my clay Shaw is the cousin. 2668 02:08:29.960 --> 02:08:34.199 The wife is the cousin of Vincent called to grone right, 2669 02:08:34.640 --> 02:08:34.920 But I. 2670 02:08:34.920 --> 02:08:36.840 Don't know why that she would lie, change her name 2671 02:08:36.960 --> 02:08:37.479 all this stuff. 2672 02:08:38.760 --> 02:08:41.079 Or you're the one who's writing the book about Oswald. 2673 02:08:43.039 --> 02:08:45.439 That doesn't mean I understand it. I'm just documenting it. 2674 02:08:45.880 --> 02:08:49.439 So it's all yeah, it's all over and again this 2675 02:08:49.560 --> 02:08:51.560 woman alleged they went to go work for NASA during 2676 02:08:51.600 --> 02:08:53.760 the Apollo and Gemini missions, but this zero record of 2677 02:08:53.840 --> 02:08:56.800 her name attached to any of those programs and it's 2678 02:08:56.880 --> 02:08:59.000 just clear by visuals alone it's the same person. So 2679 02:08:59.000 --> 02:09:01.119 why would they do this? I don't understand. I'm like, 2680 02:09:01.199 --> 02:09:03.000 this is one of those things that I'm super confused about. 2681 02:09:03.199 --> 02:09:04.880 Why the hell would they do this? I and why 2682 02:09:04.920 --> 02:09:06.600 would they keep her? Why would they keep her at 2683 02:09:06.600 --> 02:09:08.640 the Winterland? Why would they switch her name and keep 2684 02:09:08.640 --> 02:09:10.000 her at the Winterland and are a different name? Like 2685 02:09:10.039 --> 02:09:12.199 people aren't gonna know. Like, I just don't get it. 2686 02:09:12.680 --> 02:09:17.279 It worked for a long time, Yes it did. 2687 02:09:17.359 --> 02:09:19.000 So I got a couple more slides left. I don't 2688 02:09:19.000 --> 02:09:19.279 remember what. 2689 02:09:19.520 --> 02:09:21.520 Oh the rest of this is just gonna be yes. 2690 02:09:21.680 --> 02:09:23.840 I got a bunch of Americana. So this is all 2691 02:09:23.880 --> 02:09:26.279 stuff I gathered on the Winterland, you know, just some 2692 02:09:26.439 --> 02:09:28.560 from the newspapers. You got pictures of it. This is 2693 02:09:28.600 --> 02:09:30.079 this some of the only pictures you'll ever see of 2694 02:09:30.119 --> 02:09:30.640 the Winterland. 2695 02:09:32.439 --> 02:09:33.439 I got these. 2696 02:09:35.319 --> 02:09:38.439 Houston Figure Skating Club things with pictures and names of 2697 02:09:38.479 --> 02:09:39.199 people who went there. 2698 02:09:39.560 --> 02:09:41.840 Is that our guy other way, the half Korean? 2699 02:09:43.920 --> 02:09:44.359 I don't know. 2700 02:09:44.840 --> 02:09:46.279 Uh No, it doesn't look like it now. 2701 02:09:49.039 --> 02:09:49.199 I do. 2702 02:09:49.359 --> 02:09:51.039 I did found a picture of him before he died. 2703 02:09:51.119 --> 02:09:53.279 He was u He looked very Korean in his older 2704 02:09:53.359 --> 02:09:55.520 in his old age. These are some pictures for the 2705 02:09:55.560 --> 02:09:58.079 ice review that some of the kids had drawn. Okay, 2706 02:09:58.199 --> 02:09:59.880 Larry Ross, he's an interesting guy. 2707 02:10:00.079 --> 02:10:00.680 Larry Ross. 2708 02:10:01.640 --> 02:10:04.680 He was like the head trainer during this time at 2709 02:10:04.720 --> 02:10:08.479 the Winterland. He was a gay guy, and he used 2710 02:10:08.520 --> 02:10:11.560 to have these it's said, I don't remember where I 2711 02:10:11.640 --> 02:10:13.720 referenced this, but he has to have three gay boys 2712 02:10:13.760 --> 02:10:16.119 from New Orleans come over and then they would go 2713 02:10:16.239 --> 02:10:19.279 over to a gay bar local near in Houston called 2714 02:10:19.359 --> 02:10:22.039 Folly's and they would put on drag shows there. And 2715 02:10:22.199 --> 02:10:25.239 Larry Ross was all connected to these guys in New Orleans. 2716 02:10:26.039 --> 02:10:28.079 Probably another connection, we don't know, Probably not involved in 2717 02:10:28.079 --> 02:10:29.720 the assassination at all, but just another one of those 2718 02:10:29.760 --> 02:10:31.920 background characters, remember a lot of these. There was a 2719 02:10:31.960 --> 02:10:34.760 whole big gay community thing going on in the background 2720 02:10:34.800 --> 02:10:39.000 of all this stuff. More pictures. It's just that that's 2721 02:10:39.039 --> 02:10:39.479 the fact. 2722 02:10:39.640 --> 02:10:42.119 And I mean, I don't think we're you know, people 2723 02:10:42.520 --> 02:10:45.199 over time have tried to bring that out as some 2724 02:10:45.399 --> 02:10:49.680 kind of like a Garrison vengeful thing. Oh yeah, it's 2725 02:10:49.800 --> 02:10:54.039 just that's what it is. Yep. Yeah. 2726 02:10:54.279 --> 02:10:56.000 Here we have John Hopes for farm jobs. So he 2727 02:10:56.119 --> 02:10:59.199 was another guy on the hockey team, with Richard Roland 2728 02:10:59.479 --> 02:11:03.520 that it was mentioned earlier, got the Houston Figure Skating Club. 2729 02:11:04.159 --> 02:11:06.119 You know, I mean, all of these names I think 2730 02:11:06.159 --> 02:11:08.600 are here. We got Deborah Silverman. I wonder if there's 2731 02:11:08.600 --> 02:11:09.399 a relationship there. 2732 02:11:09.520 --> 02:11:09.840 Mhm. 2733 02:11:11.479 --> 02:11:14.560 But I'm paranoid everybody who got the same names in 2734 02:11:14.680 --> 02:11:16.359 on it, all right, So, I mean, you know, I'm 2735 02:11:16.680 --> 02:11:18.039 not the best person to ask about stuff like that. 2736 02:11:18.359 --> 02:11:21.479 Here's Rulona Roland ice age seventy five. 2737 02:11:21.640 --> 02:11:21.840 You know. 2738 02:11:23.640 --> 02:11:27.680 This is not pee weee hockey team. More stuff on 2739 02:11:27.800 --> 02:11:35.279 the hockey team, you know, more of this, but uh yeah. 2740 02:11:35.319 --> 02:11:36.399 So that's basically it. 2741 02:11:36.680 --> 02:11:38.479 And I think basically I've done a pretty good job 2742 02:11:38.560 --> 02:11:43.279 of showing that David Ferry didn't do anything he said 2743 02:11:43.319 --> 02:11:46.199 he did. He was in Hammond when he was supposed 2744 02:11:46.199 --> 02:11:49.239 to be in Houston. You know, this is what they 2745 02:11:49.319 --> 02:11:52.039 covered up. This everything that we just talked about is 2746 02:11:52.600 --> 02:11:55.079 this is the story of the assassination. And once you 2747 02:11:55.159 --> 02:11:57.800 realize David Ferry is involved, you're like, oh my god, 2748 02:11:58.119 --> 02:12:00.560 all those other guys down in New Orleans, those are 2749 02:12:00.600 --> 02:12:03.119 the other guys. That's when you get the Richard. You 2750 02:12:03.199 --> 02:12:06.520 get Arnold Rowland, another Roland. Arnold Rowland witnesses, the guy 2751 02:12:06.640 --> 02:12:09.319 up in the sniper's nest who said he's got something something, 2752 02:12:09.399 --> 02:12:11.399 His face was very wrinkled or marked in some kind 2753 02:12:11.439 --> 02:12:11.680 of way. 2754 02:12:12.000 --> 02:12:12.720 Laurence Toward. 2755 02:12:13.159 --> 02:12:14.920 Then if that's Lauren Toward, who's else is on the 2756 02:12:15.000 --> 02:12:17.680 You got Lauren Hall obviously, right, So you got that's 2757 02:12:17.680 --> 02:12:21.720 why the William Seymour, Howard and Hall relationship is so important. 2758 02:12:21.800 --> 02:12:23.560 I mean, you trace those guys traveling back and forth 2759 02:12:23.720 --> 02:12:27.079 across the country between sixty one and sixty three, going 2760 02:12:27.079 --> 02:12:30.920 to la and Houston, Dallas, New Orleans, Miami. You realize 2761 02:12:30.960 --> 02:12:32.800 those guys are part of the group, and you're not 2762 02:12:32.880 --> 02:12:34.960 gonna kill the president with a bunch of strangers. You're 2763 02:12:35.000 --> 02:12:36.560 gonna do it with your inner circle guys who were 2764 02:12:36.560 --> 02:12:38.279 in on the planning of this thing. And that's where 2765 02:12:38.640 --> 02:12:42.159 that's how it really exposed New Orleans as like ground 2766 02:12:42.239 --> 02:12:45.479 zero for this thing. With a handful of exceptions. Vilente, 2767 02:12:46.800 --> 02:12:49.239 you know, Yaris, a couple of the mob guys, the 2768 02:12:49.319 --> 02:12:51.720 Cleveland guys, right, So this is on, But those guys 2769 02:12:51.760 --> 02:12:54.479 you could obviously see how the chain of command went 2770 02:12:54.600 --> 02:12:56.680 because it all leads back to Giancanna and then to 2771 02:12:56.840 --> 02:12:59.520 Meyer Lansky and then the israelis right, and so the 2772 02:12:59.640 --> 02:13:02.359 chainea man is all there, the overall structure is all there, 2773 02:13:02.600 --> 02:13:05.640 And it was really the fun realizing David Ferry was 2774 02:13:05.680 --> 02:13:08.520 the shooter that was seen by Ed Hoffman shooter scene 2775 02:13:08.560 --> 02:13:10.960 behind the fence, and that his entire alibi story is 2776 02:13:10.960 --> 02:13:13.239 a bunch of eyes. That kind of was really what 2777 02:13:13.319 --> 02:13:15.039 started me in the direction of realizing most of this 2778 02:13:15.159 --> 02:13:18.079 was based around New Orleans and that Oswald never interacted 2779 02:13:18.079 --> 02:13:20.359 with any of these people, like none zero. Oswald had 2780 02:13:20.399 --> 02:13:22.279 nothing to do with none of these guys. Oswald was 2781 02:13:22.319 --> 02:13:24.880 kept at a distance, he was kept over here while 2782 02:13:24.920 --> 02:13:26.680 they were setting them up over here. You're never gonna 2783 02:13:26.720 --> 02:13:28.720 let your patsy wander around your operation and know what's 2784 02:13:28.760 --> 02:13:30.880 going on. So the whole idea that Oswald knew any 2785 02:13:30.880 --> 02:13:34.159 of these people is ridiculous to me. So yeah, that's 2786 02:13:34.199 --> 02:13:36.319 where the whole thing stemmed from. This David Ferry stuff. 2787 02:13:36.319 --> 02:13:39.239 He's the center of the Kennedy universe, and everybody should 2788 02:13:39.279 --> 02:13:40.840 be going out and at least trying to double check 2789 02:13:40.880 --> 02:13:43.000 what I've done and verify what I've done to show 2790 02:13:43.000 --> 02:13:45.239 that it's not this isn't really my work. This is 2791 02:13:45.279 --> 02:13:46.279 what the documents say. 2792 02:13:46.439 --> 02:13:50.720 So well, no, and you know, if anyone wants a challenge, 2793 02:13:50.960 --> 02:13:55.359 I also welcome anyone to comment on this and and geez, 2794 02:13:55.439 --> 02:13:58.840 we'll bring you on and we'll all chat. But but 2795 02:13:59.039 --> 02:14:01.079 I was, if you want to do that, look at 2796 02:14:01.119 --> 02:14:09.479 that Winter Winterlind trail, because man, that that graf you 2797 02:14:09.560 --> 02:14:13.079 did of who owns what? I think. What I would 2798 02:14:13.119 --> 02:14:16.359 love to confirm though, is the Johnson Family Enterprises is 2799 02:14:16.479 --> 02:14:18.479 at the is at the top of that. 2800 02:14:21.279 --> 02:14:23.479 Yeah. I don't know if we'll be able to confirm that. 2801 02:14:23.520 --> 02:14:25.680 We'd have to find some documentation on that, because that 2802 02:14:25.760 --> 02:14:27.600 came from Richard Roland, who got it from his parents 2803 02:14:27.640 --> 02:14:28.000 who got it. 2804 02:14:28.279 --> 02:14:29.359 You know. So I believe it. 2805 02:14:29.439 --> 02:14:31.800 I know it's true, but we don't have any other 2806 02:14:31.880 --> 02:14:35.399 documentary evidence to support that. It can't be that hard. 2807 02:14:35.479 --> 02:14:37.880 There have to be ownership records going back to the 2808 02:14:37.920 --> 02:14:40.439 six He's still available. I really I wish I had 2809 02:14:40.439 --> 02:14:41.560 a pile of money and I could just go to 2810 02:14:41.600 --> 02:14:43.920 Houston for like a week and just pull all these documents. 2811 02:14:44.239 --> 02:14:46.520 I mean, I need Jack Velnny's birth certificate because Jack 2812 02:14:46.600 --> 02:14:48.680 Valenti half his friends all his life called him Mel. 2813 02:14:49.960 --> 02:14:54.479 Why they call him Mel? Where's Mel come from? Malosh Malachi. 2814 02:14:55.159 --> 02:14:57.560 You know, he's got another name on it. Jack Valenti 2815 02:14:57.600 --> 02:14:59.520 has another name that's not on the records because nobody's 2816 02:14:59.560 --> 02:14:59.960 named Jack. 2817 02:15:00.199 --> 02:15:02.199 Is that nobody is that Hebrew or something? 2818 02:15:03.640 --> 02:15:09.119 Yes, Angel angel Milash is Hebrew for angel. And and 2819 02:15:09.680 --> 02:15:11.760 you know, according to I can't really prove this, but 2820 02:15:11.800 --> 02:15:15.039 according to Dawson, him and his whole family are crypto Jews. 2821 02:15:15.439 --> 02:15:16.199 So Valette. 2822 02:15:17.239 --> 02:15:22.640 Yeah, so but that's that. That's my story on David Ferry. 2823 02:15:22.680 --> 02:15:25.760 And I think if people just focused on David Ferry, 2824 02:15:26.279 --> 02:15:28.000 I would be that would be great, and at least 2825 02:15:28.039 --> 02:15:30.359 an acknowledgment of all this stuff, because no one's even 2826 02:15:30.359 --> 02:15:32.279 acknowledged us except my little group that you're in, you know, 2827 02:15:32.319 --> 02:15:35.880 my little research group. It's outside of that. Yeah, I 2828 02:15:35.960 --> 02:15:37.439 mean people seem to want to reject this. 2829 02:15:37.800 --> 02:15:40.039 Yeah, I don't know. I I think it needs to 2830 02:15:40.079 --> 02:15:44.159 be debated. And this is guys, this is this is 2831 02:15:44.199 --> 02:15:47.520 the new wave of Kennedy research coming that's coming our way. 2832 02:15:47.760 --> 02:15:51.399 So be prepared because that the old the old group 2833 02:15:51.800 --> 02:15:55.319 is going down. I mean, they're just by sheer age 2834 02:15:56.199 --> 02:15:58.800 and time is like going to be on our side. 2835 02:15:58.880 --> 02:16:02.039 And and I think this, and you know, the rationale 2836 02:16:02.680 --> 02:16:05.960 is standing up. You know, the idea, like I said, 2837 02:16:06.000 --> 02:16:09.359 of Chelona's story about this guy sleeping in his bed 2838 02:16:09.560 --> 02:16:13.840 like that, you know, that's that just holds more water 2839 02:16:14.159 --> 02:16:17.079 than than this. When you listen to all this testimony 2840 02:16:17.159 --> 02:16:20.079 of this, these stories it just they just you know, 2841 02:16:20.159 --> 02:16:21.800 they don't hold, they don't wash, you know. 2842 02:16:22.640 --> 02:16:25.079 Yeah, so it just goes to show how many people 2843 02:16:25.119 --> 02:16:27.039 were in on the cover up story, you know, how 2844 02:16:27.079 --> 02:16:28.119 many people were willing to lie. 2845 02:16:29.359 --> 02:16:32.600 Yeah, Corey, I thanks you for coming on and doing 2846 02:16:32.639 --> 02:16:33.120 all this. Man. 2847 02:16:34.319 --> 02:16:36.200 Yeah, man, I appreciate your having metely. 2848 02:16:37.280 --> 02:16:39.040 Get some comments going and we'll see you next time