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your support. A couple of remaining points on the payoff

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of the police chief who is keeping his job as

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far as I know. I mean, he threatens to sue

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his employer and they're like, okay, here's your money, and

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then that's it, and he keeps the job and no harm,

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no foul, I guess. And are we going to overlook

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the fact that he coordinated with the local NAACP chapter

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to try to get the complaint against Tarkbacari like that,

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like that's that's something else although Bookari was trying to

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get he was calling on Chief Jennings to resign, right

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he was like, if you're not going to buy these

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bulletproof vests for the cops, and you're saying that your

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reason is purely esthetic. You don't like the way they

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look on the outside of the uniform, even though the

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cops are like, yeah, you could store all sorts of

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stuff because the vests are on the outside and they're

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better protection or whatever. You need to resign. Can Bookary

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fire the police chief? No he cannot. No, he cannot,

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and he definitely can't now because he's not on council

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any longer. But he could. He was one Republican vote

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on an eleven member council, nine of whom are Democrats.

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He was one of two Republicans versus nine Democrats, so

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you can't. He could not get the chief housted. So

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what exactly, what exactly did Bokary What kind of pressure

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did he bring to bear on the chief in this

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very blue city, in a blue county. My submission is

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there was no reputational harm. The only harm that resulted

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in this spat between Bokari and Jennings the chief was

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of Jennings's own doing because he crossed his own people.

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His own employees wanted the vests, and when Bokhari said,

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I want this to be a budget item, he tried

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to add the money into the budget and the Democrats

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would not go along with it because that would cross

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the chief. Bakari then pulls it from the budget proposal

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and says, screw it, I'll raise the money myself and

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then does so, gets the money, buys the vests, and

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that's when the chief offers the vests to the rank

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and file. So if any reputational damage occurred, it was

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because of his position. But that's it. Now there's another

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component has to do with the Fraternal Order of Police.

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I did not get into this yesterday or in the

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last hour, so I will get into it a little

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bit deeper. Now. This is from WSOCTV and they go

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through There are three controversies now regarding the CMPD Right,

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one is the payoff to Chief Jennings. Next, you have

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the ethics complaint that was filed against Councilman and former

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Councilman Bokari for his actions. It was filed by the

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NAACP president Korean Mack, but Charlotte City Council members were

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not aware of the complaint nor of its dismissal. It

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was dismissed. Council members were also unaware that two aids

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to the police chief had advised Korean mack on what

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to put into the complaint. The city says that the

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aids did not violate any laws or policies because they

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were doing it on their own email accounts, not on

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the city email accounts. No indication that they had done

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this on company time, right, and there is there is

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no restriction of people, you know, work for the city government.

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They are allowed to engage in political activity outside of

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the office. And so that's why, that's why the aids

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were not found to be you know, violating any city policy.

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One of those aids is Sandy Vastola, the CMPD top spokesperson.

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She is now suing the president of the Charlotte Mecklenberg

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Fraternal Order of Police, Daniel Redford. She is suing him

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for defamation. It goes back to comments she claims he

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made about her because of her response to reporter. So

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reporter says something, asks a question to her, whatever, she

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responds and Redford, the FOP guy, Redford makes some comments

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about her because of what she said to the reporter.

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She files a complaint. A judge dismissed that claim, but

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she is now appealing. As for the president of the FOP,

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Daniel Redford, he was suspended and transferred, and the FOP

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is claiming that that was retaliatory, which, yeah, kind of

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seems like it was. Again, don't know any of the details,

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but that does seem kind of fishy. This was from

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a couple of days ago. Yeah, May fifth, pieced by

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Jonathan Lowe, also WSOCTV. In addition to the ethics complaint

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and potential litigation from Chief Jennings, Sandy Vestola sued the

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FOP and its president. The lawsuit was filed October thirtieth.

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The lawsuit centered around comments she claims Redford made about

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her because of her response to a story that was

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pursued by another Charlotte TV outlet. She alleged Redford's comments

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were false and defamatory, but a judge dismissed that case.

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Court record show she filed an appeal last week. The FOP,

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citing the ongoing litigation, said that the use of personal

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emails is concerning, and it called out Charlotte City Manager

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Marcus Jones to hold everybody involved in the matter accountable. Yeah,

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there needs to be an investigation. Guys. I'm sorry. I

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know you probably tried to keep a lid on all

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of this. All these shenanigans. But it's time for some sunlight.

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Everybody's going to have to open the books here, show

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us what's been going on. What are these games you

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guys have been playing? This lack of professionalism, you know,

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hurt feelings, complaints, allegations of defamation and all of this

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other stuff. Let's hear it all. Let's just get to

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the bottom of it. Hey, you know what, Jeff Jackson

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is our attorney general. Why don't you ask the City

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of Charlotte should ask Jeff Jackson, the attorney General, to

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come in here and figure out what the bleep has

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been going on. I am always reminded there was an

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officer I knew up in well, i'll just say in

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western North Carolina, and we had a bunch of scandals

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up there at the time. Retaliation, inter office politics and squabbles,

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people getting suspended and all that sort of stuff. It

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was pretty nasty. This was out of the Asheville Police Department.

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And I had a law enforcement officer tell me, he said,

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in a lot of ways, it's like high school, like

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with all of the clicks and the groups and stuff

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and the pettiness and the Yeah, it's like high school.

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But we all have guns, he said, And when I

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see stories like this, I always reminded of that comment

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he made to me, because that does kind of seem

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like that sometimes. The FOP says that the Charlotte Mecklenburg

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Police Department suspended and transferred its president due to statements

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the organization made against CMPD. Now, the Charlotte FOP has

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more than two thousand members, a lot of them are CMPD,

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and they put out a statement saying we will not

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be threatened, intimidated, or coerced by any entity to uphold

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our members' rights, wants, and needs, regardless of rank. Charlotte

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City Manager Marcus Jones must hold everybody involved in this

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matter accountable for their actions. Yeah, there is a lot

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of smoke here people. I'm not saying there's fire. Maybe

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somebody is just smoking, but there's a lot of smoke.

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Let me get to some emails. We got a bunch

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wanting to talk about this quote settlement with the chief

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of police because he threatened to sue because he claimed

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that he had reputational harm from a public fight over

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police vests. DG says, maybe start a go fundme page

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to pay tark Bookari's legal fees as he sues the

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city Council and Chief of Police for damaging his reputation

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might be the only way to figure out what game

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is being played here. Well, yeah, see, that's the thing.

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You settle when you don't want there to be discovery, right,

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when you don't want this stuff coming out, that's why

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you settle. And so that has to be part of

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our analysis. There was obviously six council members, well five voted,

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one left early, and they're vote counted as a yes

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for the settlement. So five of the eleven council members

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agreed to pay this for some reason, and some reason

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might be the discovery phase. You go to court when

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you file a complaint, then yeah, you have to list

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the stuff and you got to show evidence to support

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your allegations. And so maybe they didn't want this stuff

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coming out in litigation. What stuff? I don't know, John says.

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The city council and mayor would be good to remember

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when they go begging for more transportation dollars hat in

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hand in Washington, d C. That they'll be bowing before

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tark Bocari. Yeah, because he took a gig with the

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transportation department up there, like deputy secretary, is something up there?

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Lance says, howdy beat, Howdy Lance. It looks like Chief

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Jennings took a page from Reverend Jesse Jackson's shake down playbook. Well,

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I don't know this. This is a formula that we

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have seen other people and organizations run right, make a

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big deal about something threatened, litigation, promise to make things

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difficult or embarrassing, and then the organization that has the

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deep pockets just pays them to go away. Is that

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what happened here? Again, we don't know because the elected

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officials that agreed to this dumb assery have not told

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us what the rationale for it is. They've not told

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us what reputational harm was suffered. Bob says, I am

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a proverbial taxpayer, and I am outraged. If Chief Jennings

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has three hundred thousand dollars worth of dirt on council,

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terminate him now. It's not healthy for one city employee

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to hold such a blackmail card. But this isn't about morals.

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It's politics, that's yeah, so right? Is that part of

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it too? Are council members somehow compromised into just going

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along with this even if they don't want to? But

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they're like I have to go along with it because

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the chief is going to in discoveries, you know, prove

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stuff about me. I don't know, Jabrill. First of all,

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he says, I like the Chief and I think he's

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a respectable and stand up guy. With that said, I

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would not have voted to give him that money. They're

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calling a settlement without even a lawsuit. How did Corin

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Mack of the NAACP get involved and why, Gabrill I

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can tell you that according to our news department, which

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reported this yesterday, that Jennings apparently asked Mac to file

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the complaint against and then two of his you know,

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chief staffers gave her the language to put into the complaint,

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which was dismissed, and she is appealing. His email continues,

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if there's any issue between the Chief and Bokari, that

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should be between them and not the counsel or the taxpayers.

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That is correct. This is another case of Charlotte gov

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Co dishing out taxpayer money like it's candy. We saw

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this not too long ago with the school board and

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the former superintendent. This is show, This is so Charlotte. Yeah,

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I remember that they did this with jim Phwsley several

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years back. You know twenty years ago where the school

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board just threw a whole bunch of money at him

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because they were like, he should be the highest paid

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official because I think Harry Jones, the or Pam Seifert,

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the city and county managers, they had gotten pay raises,

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and so Charlot Meckelberg school board was like, well, education

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is the most important and so therefore he should be

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the highest paid. They just threw a bunch of money

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at him. They held a closed session one time to

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yell at Larry Gavreau, but they went into closed session

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under the premise that it was a personnel matter, and

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the way they argued it was that if we didn't

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go into closed session, or if we don't yell at Larry,

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then the superintendent may quit because Larry's been dragging him

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and fighting him in public all the time, and so

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he's feeling really bad about it and he wants to quit.

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So we got to go in there to make sure

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he doesn't quit. And so they just like bashed Larry

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Gavreau in closed session for like an hour. That is

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not an appropriate use of a closed session. You don't

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by a reporter from the Charlotte Observer after the Monday

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night closed session about the city council approving a settlement

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before a lawsuit is even filed, the Mayor Vy Lyles

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said she's not the right person to ask. Quote, I'm

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not a biologist. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, She says, I'm

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not a lawyer. Yeah, you are the right person to ask, mayor.

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Mayor Lyles, you are the right person to ask, why

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would y'all entertain settlement when there isn't even a lawsuit?

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This is so dumb at best, corrupt at worst. And

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there was a time when I would think, surely, there's

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no way they would do such a thing. But that

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was before our mayor went to federal prison. And as

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somebody called in to remind me, that was before we

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had a county commissioner who was bedridden with Alzheimer's and

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had family members voting for her via zoom, and everybody

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covered it up in order to keep her collecting health insurance.

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So yeah, no, I no longer believe that our local

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government would be above doing something like this. I'm sorry,

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you guys got to come with some receipts. You got

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to show me something otherwise like this is. This is

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on all of y'all, and I'm just going to assume

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default position. Y'all are corrupt. Mar says, you are exactly right.

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He was either worried about optics rather than the safety

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of his men. Right the vests, Yeah, the fight over

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the vests. See I said this, I think last hour,

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whatever reputational harm police Chief Jennings suffered, and I would submit,

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there wasn't any at least among the public. I've never

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heard anybody say anything negative about our chief of police

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in Charlotte The only negative reputational damage that could have

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occurred in my mind that I can think of, that's

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like logical, that's reasonable, is among his officers. But that

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was because of his position, not because of what tark

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Bocari did. It was because he said no to his

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rank and file officers who were asking for better vests

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and when they were presented with an ability to get

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the vests with a budget request and Jennings refused. Now,

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maybe Jennings also refused because here's it, just thinking this through,

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like literally just thinking this right now. But here's here's

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the possibility. Maybe Jennings was open to the idea, but

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then council members said, no, we're not going to spend

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that money. Don't ask us for that money. You have

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to oppose this ask, you have to say no. And

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that's why Jennings comes out against them. And so he

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was doing the bidding of the council, not doing what

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was right by the officers and making the request and

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letting the request get shot down by the council because

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that would jam up the council. See, the council can

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fire Jennings. So maybe maybe Jennings didn't care one way

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or the other. And maybe council members didn't want to

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give the cops what they wanted, didn't want to spend

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five hundred thousand dollars out of their two billion dollar

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budget or whatever it's up to now. I think it

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is probably somewhere around there. And so he does what

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the council did demands of him. He starts getting attacked

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for it. And so now he's going back to council saying, hey,

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where are you guys giving me cover on this? And

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they just let him twist in the wind. And maybe

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that's what his lawsuit does because he couldn't get he

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couldn't get them to stand by, stand with him or whatever.

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I don't know, stand by, stand down to quote Donald Trump,

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maybe that's what happened.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I wish I could tell you, But

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like I'm just like I said, I'm trying to just

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game out the different theories, trying to see the different angles,

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trying to make it make sense. Jonathan says, you may

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have already touched on this. I only just started listening.

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How dare you, Jonathan? You should listen get the get

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the podcast at the peapod dot com. Okay, he says,

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do we know which five council members voted yes for

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this please pipe down package? We do not. We do

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not know what the vote totals were. But I will

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say this, and this was in a piece over at

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the Charlotte Observer by Mary Ramsey. State law allows for

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closed session votes on settlements, but the terms must be

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made public quote as soon as possible with a reasonable

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with a reasonable time after the settlement is concluded. That's

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according to attorney Mike Taddich that the Observer spoke with

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about the matter. The Charlotte Observer has filed a public

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records request for the settlement, reportedly approved Monday, So we

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should know the terms of this settlement. Let me see

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here this is from Seth What exactly does Jennings have

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on city council members for them to fold like that

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one hundred percent shakedown? Yeah? I don't know, and again

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it could be anything, it could be nothing. We don't know.

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There was also a component here where the Bookari and

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the FOP were of a like mind on this vest issue.

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And I think it was the FOP that originally said

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it and then Bokari amplified it, retweeted it or whatever.

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Facebook posts or something. But somebody made a reference to

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jennings lake house. Does he have like and they made

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a comment about how he has CMPD officers providing additional

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security for him at his lakehouse, and that's what they

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call doxing him. They're like, oh, totally where he lives.

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I'm not so sure that's the same thing as doxing.

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I don't believe they said where he lives. They were

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pointing out that he's bringing officers over to standguard for him,

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but when presented the opportunity to give them additional protection,

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he said, no, this is Jim. I agree. Chief Jennings

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seemed more professional than Sheriff Gary. Not my fault McFadden did,

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but like others before them in that position, he finally

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showed his true colors. Ken. I'm not sure if this

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has been touched on yet. I try to listen to everything,

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but I am supposed to be working. Come on, Ken,

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where are your priorities? Maybe the chief has a lot

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of undisclosed information dirt that would be spelled out in

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any actual lawsuit filing. Granted, there's no way the city

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leaders should have personal concerns, but maybe they are simply

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trying to protect otherwise innocent city administrators from unsubstantiated claims

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that would have to be addressed. Yeah again, like we're

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all just spitballing. We're all trying to think of like,

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why would you do this as the police chief? Why

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would you do this?

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how are you?

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Speaker 3: I am good. I've been in like a doghouse I

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put myself in after I accidentally referred to fertilizer last

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time I talked to you, and yeah, I apologize.

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Speaker 1: I see I forgot all about that. Uh yeah, I

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totally I did not remember that you had done that.

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So let's try to keep it clean here, Snake.

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Speaker 3: We're going to try to remember we're on the radio.

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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you.

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Speaker 3: It's going to say like the uh the you know,

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law enforcement, as you know, often knows what kind of

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nonsense the politicians are up to, and so when push

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comes to shove, it's easy for a lawyer to work

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all that into a complaint and make it public and

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so you kind of get what you want, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in discovery and that, and if you're trying to

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avoid the discovery phase where that stuff would then be

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put to paper, you're absolutely correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's you know, that's my best guess. Or

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we could have actually just been entitled to damages. Who knows.

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But the only other thing I wanted to add is,

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I don't know if you talked about today, but if you,

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if you didn't read George Will, that's worth reading. I

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know it's in the failing Washington Post, but that was

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that was worth reading.

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Speaker 1: What was it about Trump and Ukraine? Oh?

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Speaker 3: The Master Negotiator? Yeah, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Okay, No, I haven't seen it, but I generally don't

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have access because they pay well everything at the WAPO,

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so I don't generally get to see it. So but

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I'll see if I can find it. Thanks Nake, I

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appreciate it. Sure, How are you too? Let me go

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now talk to Kirk. Hello, Kirk? How are you?

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Speaker 2: I am good, Pete, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing okay, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Taking my call.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember a while back I was I was

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talking to your other gentleman there in the studio that

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somebody either donated or raised money for the police department

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to purchase a number of vests.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how we Yeah, because the city council would

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not Apparently there were not enough votes to put the

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five hundred thousand dollars into the budget to pay for

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the vests, and so Bakari himself pulled that out of

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the budget proposal and then said I will raise the

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money privately, and then proceeded to do so and bought

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the vests. And at that point the Chief said, fine,

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if anybody wants these vests, they'll be allowed to wear them.

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Speaker 2: Do you suppose that maybe the chief could have taken

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that as a slap in the face.

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Speaker 1: Well that, I mean, that's what I think. He is

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claiming that all of the that that entire fight over

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the vests did him some reputational damage or, as the

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FOP called it, hurt his feelings.

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Speaker 2: Have you have you ever heard the one about sticks

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and stones and may break my bones, but names will

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never hurt me.

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Speaker 1: I have that actually heard that? Although I think that

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is of an older generation because nowadays words are violence.

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I'm not sure you're aware. The kids, Yeah, the kids

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change that whole thing.

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Speaker 2: I've heard that, Kirk.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the call.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing when you walk into the political arena,

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and I tell people this all the time. When I

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speak in front of groups, which I do, I give

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them this. You know, if I'm giving some advice and

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for some reason people ask me to come and speak

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to them and ask for advice on stuff. I don't

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know why, but I try to figure out some you know,

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things that I think might help them. And one of

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the things that I tell people was or is that?

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And see now I'm giving it away. Not that I

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charge for speeches, but whatever. Like, if you're going to

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make the decision to engage in the political arena, if

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this is what you want to actually do, okay, then

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you have to walk towards the fight. You have to

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be the happy warrior. You have to have your information.

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You have to know the topics. You have to understand

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your opponents and what they think and why they think

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it right. If you decide to enter the political arena,

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you don't get to pretend that you're not in the arena.

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This is one of the beefs I have with a

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lot of reporters is that they pretend that they're there,

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just as like you know observers. That's not as I

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was saying it. I'm not attacking the Charlotte observer. I swear,

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not really I swear, but a lot of these reporters

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will pretend that, oh, I'm just here off to the

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sidelines and I'm just like documenting what's actually happening. Yeah,

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but when I read your finished product, I can tell

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that that's not simply what you're doing. You're telling a

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story about what you saw and what you think people

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need to know. And in that process, subjectivity is involved.

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Nobody is completely objective, and reporters who engage in political

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news coverage are in the political arena, and so you

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have to be aware of that. Reporters have to be

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aware of that. When reporters develop sources inside politics, you're

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using them, but they're using you. Never forget that. I

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never forgot that. You can't forget it. I use you,

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you use me. That's why. Like when anonymous sources give

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fake information, false information to reporters who then run with it,

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and then the story turns out to be, you know,

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fake news. I'd burn my source. You do that to me,

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you're burned. You give me a bunch of fake information

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and there's no way for me to confirm it because

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it's anonymous source. You're the only one in the room

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that saw this, you know, top secret thing or whatever,

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and that turns out to be a lie. You told

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me a lie, then you're torched. So I mean that

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like you people think that there aren't you know, there's

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no code in journalism. There is. Everybody's got a different

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one though. So Jennings is in the he's in the

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public limelight. He is a political actor. You do not

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get to engage in the political arena and then pretend

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that you're not in the arena. And that's what I

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feel like he's doing on this Like, oh, look at me.

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I was just you know, I'm just a you know,

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a beat cop here and I'm being savaged by the

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by you know, Bookari with his you know, power of

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one vote on the council. Like please, but again, I

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cannot confirm any of this because I don't have any

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information because nobody is talking. You guys need to say something,

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and you need to say something soon. All right. That'll

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do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening.

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thank you so much for listening, and don't you anything

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while I'm gone.