WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:12.400 Warning the following podcast it contains graphic content and material 2 00:00:12.519 --> 00:00:17.760 intended for a mature audience. Listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:36.439 --> 00:00:38.560 Welcome to Wicked and Grim. 4 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:42.119 What's up, guys. My name's Ben, and yeah, this is 5 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:44.479 a true crime podcast. It's Wicked and Grimm. 6 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:45.799 Hmm doesn't get better? 7 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:48.479 Right? What really doesn't get better? Do you want to know? 8 00:00:48.520 --> 00:00:51.799 Do you want to know? Yeah, in like two weeks 9 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:54.640 or something like that one year motherfucking anniversary. 10 00:00:54.759 --> 00:00:57.039 Oh my goodness. 11 00:00:57.039 --> 00:01:01.679 Like, holy shit, we've been podcasting for almost a year. 12 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:03.719 That's crazy town. Great. 13 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:06.599 Well, I had on my Facebook just like a personal like, 14 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:09.519 you know, like a reminder thing like oh this time 15 00:01:09.680 --> 00:01:14.200 last year's Yeah, I had the uh the logo for 16 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:16.280 Wicked and Grim pop up on Facebook because I was 17 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:18.079 all like, look at what we're doing. I made this thing. 18 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:20.000 And then yeah, I was like, oh fuck. 19 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:24.120 And we would have never in our wildest dreams expected 20 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:27.159 it to be this like at this point right now. 21 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:31.879 Yeah, the support you guys are giving us is fucking ridiculous. 22 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:33.519 I'm sorry, I'm swearing a lot right now, but like 23 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:36.560 it's you just can't handle I can't handle it. It's 24 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:40.799 how I'm getting my emotions across because our minds are blown. Guys. Yeah, 25 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:42.280 thank you so much for all the support. We got 26 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:44.799 some really cool stuff coming down the pipe for one 27 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:46.519 year anniversary, so watch out for that. 28 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:48.519 We're gonna plan some cool shit. 29 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:49.120 We are. 30 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:51.760 We got to celebrate. There's not much to celebrate. You 31 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:58.840 got to celebrate oprate one, your podcast like that. Yeah, yeah, 32 00:01:58.879 --> 00:02:01.359 I think we're gonna are an not talking about anything 33 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:01.879 that we're going to do. 34 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:06.079 Sure, I mean if you want to. Sure, we haven't decided, 35 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:07.439 have we No, We're kind of. 36 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:09.159 Tossing around ideas, but there's probably going to be a 37 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:10.560 giveaway of sorts. 38 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:13.520 Yep. We're probably going to do a live stream of sorts, 39 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:14.960 our first ever live stream, some. 40 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:19.560 Sort of live Q and a possibly you something like that. 41 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:22.759 So yeah, look out for that. If you guys have 42 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:24.680 requests or suggestions and what we could do, we'd love 43 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:26.840 to hear it. Ably, not saying we will do it 44 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:29.719 for sure, but we're definitely opened to those suggestions. So 45 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:31.120 hit us up, let us know what you want to 46 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:35.360 see or hear for our one year anniversary of the podcast. 47 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:36.240 Of Wicked and Grim. 48 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:41.039 Yeah. Wow, one wicked year Hey, oh shit, that'd be 49 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:44.039 a cool fucking thing that's actually really cool. One wicked year. 50 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:47.680 I just came up with that, your head, Wow, well done. 51 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:48.919 Look at me. I deserve a pat on the back, 52 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:49.400 you do. 53 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:52.639 Yeah, maybe that's what happens when you're not drinking beer. 54 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:53.840 Maybe you have ideas. 55 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:56.280 I got to present today, so I need to not 56 00:02:56.400 --> 00:02:59.919 have consumption of alcohol consistently throughout me listening. I got 57 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:01.240 to actually speak words. 58 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:04.520 I'm drinking a peach cider that's actually made in Camlip 59 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:07.039 Specie and it's freakin delish nice. 60 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:10.919 I'm drinking water good for you, too, good for but 61 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:12.800 because I'm a child, I'm drinking it through a straw. 62 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:17.879 You love straw straws. We got to thank some Patreons 63 00:03:18.520 --> 00:03:22.000 Patreon supporters who do we got your I'm going. 64 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:25.680 To thank them. Yeah, so you've got Beth Sanchez love 65 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:32.280 that last name. Yeah, Wendy Moon, Roxane Rocks, Sane, Annie Winter, 66 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:34.479 and Caitlin Black. 67 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:37.439 You guys are absolutely amazing. Thank you so much for 68 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:39.280 saving me for Patreon and supporting us. 69 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:41.719 Oh, it's just it's an amazing way to support us, 70 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:43.000 like it just warms my heart. 71 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:45.759 Well, and being able to actually communicate with our patrons. 72 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:47.840 Over on Patreon is pretty cool too, so. 73 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:50.360 Oh yeah, well yeah that one. If I have time 74 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:52.840 to answer comments, I'm going to go on there before anything. 75 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:56.520 Else, so they get our top priority because they're just 76 00:03:56.560 --> 00:03:58.599 that awesome and support us. Now that you guys out 77 00:03:58.599 --> 00:04:01.919 there who aren't a Patreon aren't awesome, you on percent are, 78 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:04.560 so don't think that. We don't think otherwise. 79 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:06.120 We just think everyone's awesome. 80 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:11.599 Hell yeah, yeah, especially our badass of the goodness. 81 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:12.680 This is so exciting. 82 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:15.400 So if you remember a couple episodes back, we were 83 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:20.160 all like, whoever goes out and purchases one of our 84 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:24.519 blankets for our merch blanket and sends us a photo, 85 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:27.680 the first person to do so is our official badass 86 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:28.399 of the day. 87 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:30.279 So and we got one. 88 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:33.519 We had someone send us a photo of them with 89 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:35.959 their wiket and grim blanket, and they are our official 90 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:39.639 badass of the day. Going out to Meghan Dylann or Dallan. 91 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:41.920 I'm sorry if I passed your name wrong, but Megan, 92 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:44.160 you are awesome. The photo of that is going to 93 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:45.879 go up on Facebook and Instagram because you are just 94 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:47.720 that oh my god ass. 95 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:50.040 Yeah, well she beat me to it. I was going 96 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:51.879 to buy a blanket, so I could be the badass 97 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:55.319 of the day. She was on it, so so she 98 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:58.879 deserves it, are the badass of the day. Absolutely, what 99 00:04:59.000 --> 00:04:59.560 else we got? 100 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:01.720 What about? What do we got to talk about? Anything else? 101 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:04.759 Oh? Goodness. We had one other thing, and that is 102 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:09.279 that we have officially switched over from anchor to a cast. 103 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:11.639 Yes, it took us a while because it take us 104 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:14.480 a bit of time. Our daily life is just so busy, 105 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:16.639 so that there were some hiccups and it took us 106 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:19.000 a long time to work out those hiccups. But we've 107 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:21.800 got it figured out. So what that means is that 108 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:23.720 we're going to be available on a few more platforms 109 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:25.959 out there to listen on to. So we're still available 110 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:29.879 on Spotify, Apple Podcast, all that sort of stuff. We're 111 00:05:29.879 --> 00:05:32.519 crossing our fingers to make sure that the transition is smooth. Yeah, 112 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:35.360 because when we upload this episode, there's a small chance 113 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:37.759 that it doesn't upload to Spotify and all that stuff 114 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:39.639 right away. If it doesn't, we're gonna be on it. 115 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:40.240 We're going to fix it. 116 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:41.639 It will get fixed for sure. 117 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:43.839 But we're going to be on a few more new 118 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:47.839 platforms and we are going to be starting some advertisements, 119 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:49.040 so in that way we can get a little bit 120 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:52.160 of money coming in from from doing these because we 121 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:53.959 put a lot and a lot of effort into these, 122 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:56.120 and it'd be amazing if we could one day chase 123 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:57.360 it and do this full time. 124 00:05:57.399 --> 00:05:58.720 Oh my gosh, that's like the dream. 125 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:00.000 That would be the dream. 126 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:02.920 Would one hundred and ten percent of the dream. But 127 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:07.560 then yeah, if you are a patron though you post them, 128 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:09.800 we'll post them on their ads free, So if ads 129 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:13.000 like doesn't follow your boat, then you could become a 130 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:18.480 patron boom and just like that. Yeah, that's exciting stuff though. 131 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:20.720 It is, And I think what was our last episode, 132 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:24.600 sixtieth episodes, We've done sixty ad free episodes. 133 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:26.160 So far, which is actually pretty dope. 134 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:26.600 It is. 135 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:30.800 Yeah, So honestly, I don't know, I'm just like so 136 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:33.360 excited that at this point we're like a year in 137 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:36.560 and we're already have like I don't know, signed with 138 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:37.839 a network and stuff like that. 139 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:40.959 Is it's incredible. Wow, And we have nothing but you 140 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:43.399 guys to thank for it, so thank you so much. 141 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:45.079 We would not be here without you. 142 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:48.759 You guys are wicked, wickedly awesome and you made our 143 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:52.199 first year one wicked year I love that. 144 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:54.639 I love that. That is dope. And I just realized 145 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:56.600 you're wearing a Jacko shirt. Well done, Yeah, I am. 146 00:06:57.399 --> 00:06:59.240 I did not get the dress code. 147 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:01.680 For your wearing a Cinderella shirt. 148 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:03.639 Yeah. That says I'm on my way and I'm in bed. 149 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:08.240 Yeah. Glorious. Very representative of who we are, I think. 150 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:08.800 Hmm. 151 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:11.439 Okay, So you ready to buckle down and talk about 152 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:12.199 today's episode? 153 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:14.240 I am. I'm pretty pumped for this one, actually so, 154 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:16.240 because I don't know a lot about it. 155 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:18.759 Our patrons got a heads up on what this one was. 156 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:20.759 And then of course we did the clue over on 157 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:22.759 Instagram and Facebook. Some of you guys got it right 158 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:25.399 over there. And of course thank you to the patrons 159 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:28.600 for not not a letting the cat out of the 160 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:30.759 bad and keeping it secret. You guys are awesome for that. 161 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:33.319 I never even thought that they Yeah, they don't. Well, 162 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:33.800 thank you. 163 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:40.920 Yeah. So this is the Black Dahlia, the infamous Black Dahlia. 164 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:44.800 And for anyone out there listening, this is going to 165 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:47.160 be a two parter. So if you really want to 166 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:49.639 listen to it all in one part, maybe wait for 167 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:51.800 the second part to come out. But this is a doozy. 168 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:54.480 There is like no way this can be done in 169 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:56.560 one episode because there is a lot to go through. 170 00:07:56.720 --> 00:07:59.560 Yeah, you've been spending a lot of time on this case, 171 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:00.240 that's for sure. 172 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:04.399 Yeah, So let's buckle down and let's get right into it. 173 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:06.439 You ready, I'm totally ready. I'm pumped. 174 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:09.800 Okay. So it all started at around ten am on 175 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:14.639 January fifteenth, nineteen forty seven, a woman by the name 176 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:18.360 of Betty Bursinger was walking and pushing her young daughter 177 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:20.040 in a stroller while she was on her way to 178 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:23.800 a cobbler to have shoes repaired. As they strolled down 179 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:26.680 the sidewalk in the thirty eight hundred block of Norton 180 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:29.839 Street in Leemurt Park, Los Angeles, she caught a glimpse 181 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:32.360 of what appeared to be a broken department store mannekin 182 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:34.159 lying in the weeds on the side of the street. 183 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:37.679 The top half had been separated from the lower half, 184 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:41.000 and as she approached the mannequin, the woman quickly realized 185 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:44.799 that the dull, white plaster mannequin was actually the pale, 186 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:49.039 lifeless skin of a nude woman whose body had been mutilated. 187 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:51.960 The woman quickly went to the nearest to the nearest 188 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:55.279 home to call and contact authorities, who arrived on the 189 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:59.720 scene to begin the investigation. And this is where the 190 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:01.919 story of the Black Dahlia begins. 191 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:08.279 Wow, so had Okay, that's just like so innocent that 192 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:11.360 you just like think that it's a mannequin. Yeah, and 193 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:14.559 then as you approach that it's like a fucking human. 194 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:19.039 Yeah, definitely not a mannequin. So you don't know much 195 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:20.799 about this case. What do you know about this case? 196 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:22.120 That that's it? 197 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:24.279 Really? 198 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:26.879 I know, I don't know how I've lived this long? 199 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:29.360 Okay, Okay, Well you're about to learn a lot more 200 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:33.399 because this goes deep. So the woman's body lay on 201 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:36.000 the grass in an odd fashion. She was, of course 202 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:38.559 newt as I had mentioned, her lower half being cut 203 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:41.960 from her top half at the waist. Her top half 204 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:45.240 laid about a foot away from her bottoms, with her 205 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:47.960 arms extended above her head bent almost in like a 206 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:51.200 flexing muscle type pose. But she wasn't clearly wasn't flexing right, 207 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:53.200 but just kind of like in that arms up pose. 208 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:53.840 Okay. 209 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:57.480 She had obvious signs of other mutilation, including one of 210 00:09:57.480 --> 00:10:01.600 the most notable her mouth. She had lacerations extending from 211 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:04.200 the corner of her mouth going upwards to her ears, 212 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:08.480 approximately three inches long on each side, an injury which 213 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:10.720 is also known as the Glasgow smile. 214 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:15.000 Good lord, Okay, because like whoever did this to her, 215 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:18.639 like there was some serious like either the person was 216 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:24.559 completely psychotic or just like hated her with a fiery passion. Yeah, 217 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:25.759 because that's sentence. 218 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:28.759 Yeah, there's there's a lot of theories about that. 219 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:30.240 So wow. 220 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:33.000 Yeah, and actually, well, kind of what you said there 221 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:36.600 starts one of their the authorities what they go looking 222 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:38.480 for and what they say. Okay, here's like the description 223 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:40.799 of who are looking for sort of thing that's kind 224 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:43.960 of along the same lines, like, Okay, someone didn't like her, 225 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:46.360 someone knew her and didn't like her, and did this 226 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:50.480 specifically targeted to her. So that's kind of what they 227 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:53.240 were set out looking for in their their prime suspect. 228 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:59.320 Case quickly garnished variety within new sources and was, as 229 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:02.559 per many other cases around the world, you know, given 230 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:09.080 a nickname, and this unknown victim was dubbed the Black Dahlia. Now, 231 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:11.000 there are mixed reports and how the name actually came 232 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:14.519 into existence, but one of the more notifiable ones says 233 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:18.639 it was from from the staff and patrons at a 234 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:21.440 Long Beach drug store in the mid nineteen forty six, 235 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:24.519 as the wordplay of the film had just been released, 236 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:28.600 called the Blue Dahlia. Sorry, so it's kind of playing 237 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:32.159 off that, okay. Some of the other origins make mention 238 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:36.440 of her black hair, her clothes that she wore, and 239 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:39.159 even the idea of her adorning a dahlia flower in 240 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:42.559 her hair. Many of these were actual references to more 241 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:45.919 personal things about the women, personal things that they would 242 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:48.840 find out once authorities actually identified who she was. 243 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:51.480 Did she have a flower in her hair? Sorry at 244 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:51.840 the time. 245 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:54.159 No, not at the time, but. 246 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:56.799 It just was part of who she kind of. 247 00:11:56.879 --> 00:11:59.879 Was, reportedly a part of who she was. I couldn't 248 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:03.279 I ever find any reports on her ever actually wearing 249 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:05.039 a dahlia in her hair or a flower in her hair, 250 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:08.360 but apparently I'm sure maybe she wore a flower in 251 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:10.639 hair once or twice or something, but whether it was 252 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:12.720 a thing, I could not find that. 253 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:13.440 Okay. 254 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:18.519 Yeah, so they did actually manage to identify who she 255 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:22.080 was after shortly opening the case, which is good. The 256 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:24.360 Black Dahlia turned out to be the woman by the 257 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:27.840 name of Elizabeth Short, and they were able to identify 258 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:30.799 her via fingerprints. It may have been a harder time 259 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:33.320 figuring out who she was actually if it wasn't for 260 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:37.039 a prior incident where she was actually arrested for underage drinking. 261 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:40.519 Oh wow, So she had her fingerprints on file and 262 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:42.960 luckily enough they were able to get a match pretty quick. 263 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:44.799 Yeah. So it wasn't for that, it would have taken 264 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:45.559 much longer. 265 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:48.000 Yeah. Well, I'm sure family might have identified her sort 266 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:51.799 of soon enough or whatever, but missing reports sort of thing, right, 267 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:55.559 But needless to say, it was a quick process. They 268 00:12:55.639 --> 00:12:58.879 managed to identify her fast. Now we're going to go 269 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:00.879 back a little bit here. I'm gonna start talking about 270 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:02.480 Elizabeth's backstory and who she was. 271 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:03.360 Good. So. 272 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:06.639 Elizabeth was born in July twenty ninth, nineteen twenty four, 273 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:12.360 in Boston, Massachusetts, the third of five daughters. Her parents 274 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:16.759 were father Cleo Short, and mother Phoebe Sawyer. In nineteen 275 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:20.000 twenty seven, the Short family briefly relocated to Portland, Maine, 276 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:24.919 before settling in Medford, Massachusetts. Cleo had built a miniature 277 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:29.039 had built miniature golf courses. I was gonna say, golf, 278 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:31.279 that's super fun, right, that'd be a dope job. 279 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:34.600 Yeah, like that's her dad. Yeah, that is so fun. 280 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:38.000 I know I want that job, no kidding. 281 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:39.840 Being like, yeah, I'm just gonna go build another course 282 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:42.080 today and be like have a hole in one. 283 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:43.919 Uh huh. Or I have to test this shit like 284 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:44.879 that's like the best. 285 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:48.440 Darn you know, we gotta quality test this course today. 286 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:50.559 Shucks up. 287 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:56.000 So anyways, he built these miniature golf courses until unfortunately 288 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:59.679 he lost his savings in the historical nineteen twenty nine 289 00:13:59.679 --> 00:14:01.200 stock market crash. 290 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:01.960 Dang. 291 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:05.039 And then in the nineteen thirties, his car was found 292 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:09.480 sitting on the Charleston Bridge. It seemed like many other 293 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:13.080 people during the stock market crash, just like them before, 294 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:15.759 Cleo had lost too much and took his own life 295 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:18.679 by leaping off the bridge into the Charles River. 296 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:22.960 Dang. That's really fucking sad. 297 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:26.360 Yeah, so they only found his car sitting there, unfortunately. 298 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:27.039 Dang. 299 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:32.799 But life goes on right unfortunately. So Elizabeth's mother, Phoebe, 300 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:35.840 began working as a bookkeeper to support the family, which 301 00:14:36.039 --> 00:14:38.879 wasn't easy as a single parent of five. I can't 302 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:41.320 imagine having five daughters running around home and trying to 303 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:44.960 support and look after them all. On my own, whether 304 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:48.840 it's monetary or not, just emotionally having the capability of 305 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:50.879 carrying for five young kids. 306 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:57.360 Holy fuck the poor thing. Yeah, it must have been exhausted. Yeah, 307 00:14:57.399 --> 00:14:59.080 that makes me want to refill my drink. 308 00:14:59.399 --> 00:15:02.960 I I get exhausted, but our two dogs at times, huh. 309 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:04.840 I get exhausted with you at times. 310 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:06.639 Wow, love you too, Thanks. 311 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:09.159 I do love you, But man, you exhausting sometimes. I'm 312 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:11.759 sure I'm exhausting at times too. So holy shit, you 313 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:13.360 are you pouring another drink? 314 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:15.840 Yeah? I already feel like I need more alcohol. 315 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:17.679 Just because I said you're exhausting. 316 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:20.559 I don't know. This is just an exhausting conversation. 317 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:25.519 Well, it's an exhausting case. So in some years later, 318 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:29.000 Elizabeth underwent lung surgery at the age of fifteen due 319 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:32.639 to bronchitis and severe asthma. Holy man, after which doctor 320 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:35.960 suggested that she relocate to at least spend more time 321 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:39.240 in a milder climate. So, whether it was permanent or temporary, 322 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:41.679 they suggested she spend more time somewhere warmer. 323 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:45.519 Can someone suggests that to me, right, please. 324 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:47.440 Be like, you've got a bad case of needing to 325 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:48.120 go to Mexico? 326 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:50.559 And drink tequila or needing to just move to like 327 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:54.679 Hawaii somewhere. A lot of freaking warmer on this Doc Dishaustis. 328 00:15:55.240 --> 00:16:00.879 I'd be like, hey, no kidding, well, I mean she 329 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:02.279 at least had a medical. 330 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:04.879 Reason, I know. I just yeah, it. 331 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:07.360 Was to prevent further respiratory problem. 332 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:09.919 We're in the thicker winter, and that just sounds real 333 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:11.000 nice to me right now. 334 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:13.320 Yeah, that would just be for us to further prevent 335 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:16.120 our face hurting from the air now you go, and 336 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:21.039 our toes from freezing off as we walk. Anyways, Elizabeth 337 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:23.879 would spend winters in Miami, Florida with family and friends 338 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:26.679 over the next three years, as per doctor's orders. 339 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:28.080 Nice. 340 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:31.000 As time moved on, the family had adapted, and it 341 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:34.279 was in the late nineteen forties when a letter arrived 342 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:36.919 to Phoebe. It was from Cleo. 343 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:41.480 What okay, I'm like shocked. 344 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:44.200 It was an apology letter where he revealed that he 345 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:48.200 was in fact alive and started a new life in California. 346 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:49.240 What the shit? 347 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:51.159 He faked his own death? 348 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:59.759 Okay, I was not expecting that. Actually when he first 349 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:01.840 told me that, like he jumped us like, oh, like 350 00:17:01.879 --> 00:17:04.839 maybe that he'll come back. But like then I was like, no, 351 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:07.440 what how long had this been? 352 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:12.359 Sorry between true? That would have been she like eight 353 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:16.119 ninety or something like that. Whoa because when he left 354 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:20.720 Elizabeth was I believe six, and she was like, oh, 355 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:22.519 she would have been older. She should have eighteen when 356 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:23.880 he came back, so longer twelve? 357 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:27.160 You're autually shit. So what the fuck was in this note? 358 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:31.119 It must it better have been real good, because that's bad. 359 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:36.160 That's bad, you think, Well, it didn't sit well with 360 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:38.680 the family. Clear wasn't much of a father or husband 361 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:41.119 to any of them. While he was around, and just 362 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:44.599 running away like that, it didn't make them think much 363 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:47.720 more of him. So an apology letter and a second 364 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:51.160 chance wasn't necessarily in the forefront of anyone's mind when 365 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:55.079 they received this letter. That is, except Elizabeth. 366 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:57.720 Oh she's a good person. 367 00:17:58.359 --> 00:18:01.119 She was eager to go spend time with her dad 368 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:04.240 and learn who he was and get over it all. 369 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:08.119 Seriously, Yeah, holy, that shows a lot of her character. 370 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:12.759 So that December, at age eighteen, Elizabeth moved to California 371 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:15.880 to live with her father, whom she had not seen 372 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:19.240 until since he left when she was six. Now it 373 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:22.000 was a romanticized reunion a bit, you know, it's very 374 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:25.839 luss you know of like my father's back in my life, 375 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:27.680 he wants to see me, all this sort of stuff. 376 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:30.880 And the following year, arguments between the two of them 377 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:34.119 led her to actually move out on January nineteen forty three. 378 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:36.559 So it didn't last very long. 379 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:38.839 It didn't last very long. And I'm not too sure 380 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:41.519 if he was like out of the picture permanently again 381 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:44.400 or if they fought terribly. I just she was there 382 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:46.680 for about a year and arguments caused her to move out. 383 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:50.119 That's about the extent that I could find. And it's 384 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:53.079 not really a lot of important information, but it's just 385 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:57.039 kind of building up who Elizabeth became and who she 386 00:18:57.279 --> 00:18:59.319 was and what her backstory is. So it's a little 387 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:00.720 bit important to understand. 388 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:04.960 But well, ionestly think that's super impressive. Yeah, no kidding, 389 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:08.359 because I'm pretty sure I'd have been like yeah bye, yeah. 390 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:10.720 Well it shows right there that she's a super trusting person, right, 391 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:13.279 and super nice yeah, and super forgiving. 392 00:19:13.599 --> 00:19:14.799 Yeah. 393 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:17.200 So she was now on her own though, when she 394 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:20.359 moved to Santa Barbara. It was there where she was 395 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:23.720 arrested on September twenty third, nineteen forty three for drinking 396 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:26.920 at a local bar while under age. Now the juvenile 397 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:30.079 authority sent her back to Massachusetts, but instead she went 398 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:33.519 back to Florida, making only occasional visits to visit her 399 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:38.519 family in Massachusetts. So while spending your days in Florida, 400 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:43.160 Elizabeth met Major Matthew Michael Gordon, Junior, who was a 401 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:47.559