1
00:00:09,919 --> 00:00:13,080
Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to see Food Matters and thanks

2
00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,640
for joining us again. Today we're going right back to

3
00:00:17,719 --> 00:00:22,640
the shoreline, but not for fish. We're talking about dulce,

4
00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:27,920
a product that's been part of coastal life for generations,

5
00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,839
yet somehow sits in the fringes of modern food culture.

6
00:00:32,679 --> 00:00:37,640
My guest today is Lorne Hammond, known by many as

7
00:00:37,719 --> 00:00:44,320
the Dulceman. He's built a life and business around something

8
00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:50,200
most people either overlook or misunderstand. So today we're going

9
00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:54,439
to cut through the noise. Is dulce a forgotten tradition

10
00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:59,640
of food ready for a comeback? Or will Lorn tell

11
00:00:59,759 --> 00:01:06,519
Us has never left the front stage? Let's find out. Hi, Laura,

12
00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:08,519
welcome to Seafood Matters.

13
00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:13,079
Speaker 2: Great to have you, Jim, thanks for having me. I'm

14
00:01:13,079 --> 00:01:13,879
excited to be here.

15
00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:20,439
Speaker 1: Great, thank you for looking forward to the chat. Lauren. Well, no,

16
00:01:20,799 --> 00:01:24,319
you as the Dulsman, as we said, But what does

17
00:01:24,359 --> 00:01:26,280
that actually mean day to day?

18
00:01:28,159 --> 00:01:31,480
Speaker 2: You know, that's a really good question, and that's something

19
00:01:31,519 --> 00:01:34,599
that you know, I've been asked about before, and I

20
00:01:34,599 --> 00:01:38,480
would say it's really determined by a lot of things.

21
00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,359
It's determined by the tide schedule, it's determined by the weather,

22
00:01:42,599 --> 00:01:45,760
with the weather, the time of year, so that there's

23
00:01:45,799 --> 00:01:49,079
really a lot of variables that come into play when

24
00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,640
it comes to you know, what I'll be harvesting. And

25
00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,359
I would also say to add to that that between

26
00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,799
May and October are the primary months that I would

27
00:01:59,799 --> 00:02:03,040
be going out in Dulcing, and that means a lot

28
00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,400
of early mornings, a lot of late nights, which can

29
00:02:06,439 --> 00:02:08,479
be trying on a young family. We have a one

30
00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,319
year old and a three year old. But I certainly

31
00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,080
enjoy it. It's awesome being out in the shoreline.

32
00:02:18,599 --> 00:02:23,240
Speaker 1: Fantastic. It's yeah, it must be a real hell. It

33
00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,240
must be so healthy life as well. He's all in

34
00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,360
the main in the main um.

35
00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,719
Speaker 2: Body absolutely absolutely. I'd say it keeps being shape. I'm

36
00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:37,680
almost forty years old, it keeps being in shape. But

37
00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,960
it's also yeah, it's trying on the body. At the

38
00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,400
same time, there's never any time where I'm not in

39
00:02:44,439 --> 00:02:47,280
pain from you know, slipping on the rocks or something

40
00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,360
like that. But I'd say it's worth it. There's something

41
00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,159
to be said about, you know, working in nature and harvesting,

42
00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,120
and I really enjoy that blue collar type of work.

43
00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just be a little bit careful when you're

44
00:03:05,039 --> 00:03:09,319
staying a bit here in your forties, you're talking to somebody,

45
00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:14,120
you're talking to somebody you'll probably paint out your grandfather's

46
00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:16,479
older than a younger than me.

47
00:03:17,479 --> 00:03:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Yeah, yeah, definitely. So I

48
00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,759
would say, yeah, yeah, this is different than what I'm

49
00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,800
used to for sure. You know, we moved here, you know,

50
00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,879
five years ago, and prior to this, I worked in

51
00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,039
funeral care, you know, and a lot of those kinds

52
00:03:36,039 --> 00:03:39,400
of jobs where you're in an office and you know,

53
00:03:39,599 --> 00:03:41,599
I'm not I'm not using my body as much. So

54
00:03:41,719 --> 00:03:44,080
this is a different line of work, but it's definitely rewarding.

55
00:03:44,919 --> 00:03:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I was going to actually come to that

56
00:03:47,199 --> 00:03:50,560
and just say, to take us back, how did you

57
00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:57,840
go from coastal life, yeah, to become synonymous with Dolph

58
00:03:58,960 --> 00:03:59,560
right right?

59
00:04:00,719 --> 00:04:03,120
Speaker 2: You know, I would say, like I said, when we

60
00:04:03,199 --> 00:04:07,439
moved here, there's so many jobs are seasonal here, and

61
00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:11,879
I looked at what the options were, and obviously lobster

62
00:04:11,919 --> 00:04:15,120
fishing is the big thing here. But I would say

63
00:04:15,719 --> 00:04:18,199
over the course of the last five years of living here,

64
00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,680
there's definitely been a decline as far as the catch goes,

65
00:04:22,319 --> 00:04:24,800
and I came to the conclusion that, you know, I'm

66
00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,439
going to need to have a side gig, or multiple

67
00:04:27,519 --> 00:04:30,160
side gigs if we're really going to make a go

68
00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:32,560
of it down here. And it was important for me

69
00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,920
to to figure something out to do on the side.

70
00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:37,839
And so, like I said, I do work at the

71
00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:42,240
funeral home, and it's a small island, you know, but

72
00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,199
that's something I do on the side, so I'm a

73
00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:49,199
local undertaker. And then in addition to that, you know,

74
00:04:49,439 --> 00:04:52,240
I work on the boat as well, fishing lobster and

75
00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,920
scallops and things like that. But then when the summer

76
00:04:54,959 --> 00:05:01,639
comes around, my focus is supplying retail stores with supplying

77
00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:08,319
chefs with different kinds of niche ingredients. So yeah, I

78
00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:10,319
really had to kind of pivot when I moved down

79
00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,680
here and figure out what makes the most sense and

80
00:05:14,079 --> 00:05:15,160
and how I can make a living.

81
00:05:17,639 --> 00:05:21,480
Speaker 1: Or when you see that, is it only dolls or

82
00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:23,560
seaweed in general?

83
00:05:25,079 --> 00:05:28,000
Speaker 2: That's a great question. And you know, I think when

84
00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,800
you talk about dolls, dolls is I think it's synonymous

85
00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,279
with Graham and Ann, you know, along with lobster fishing.

86
00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,800
But people don't realize there are so many things on

87
00:05:37,879 --> 00:05:41,319
the shoreline that you can harvest when you learn to

88
00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,920
identify what's there. And you know, at low tide, when

89
00:05:45,959 --> 00:05:49,040
the beach is the most exposed and you're you're on

90
00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,240
borrowed time, you know, you have you know, three or

91
00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:56,560
four hours to start harvesting. There's so many things that

92
00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,639
you can make money from. And you know, and I'll

93
00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,199
talk of a few of those, norri and sea lettuce,

94
00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,959
sea truffle, which grows almost exclusively around Graham and an

95
00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,680
aside from a few other spots in the world, of course, DoLS,

96
00:06:10,759 --> 00:06:16,519
irish moss, rock weed, laria, different kinds of help. You

97
00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,480
can tell them a little bit of a seaweed nerd.

98
00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting when you talk about all them.

99
00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,120
I know exactly where you're coming from. I don't think

100
00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:31,759
I'm familiar with all you mentioned there, but you know,

101
00:06:31,879 --> 00:06:36,120
it's funny. One of the ones you talk about, sea lettuce. Hmmm,

102
00:06:36,959 --> 00:06:40,879
that's that's really interesting because see, when we were kids,

103
00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,240
do you know what we used to call that?

104
00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,120
Speaker 2: Tell me the sailor soap? Is that right?

105
00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,800
Speaker 1: If we were needing, if we were going to get

106
00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,279
around from our mother when we went home, because we

107
00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,800
were all dirty and black or hands whatever, we were

108
00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,560
mucking about that we would get but now called sea

109
00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:09,240
lettuce were interesting. I'm into the seawater with this, Is

110
00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,800
that right? And our hams would be as clean as shizzles.

111
00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:15,800
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's interesting. I've never heard of that before.

112
00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,360
It's uh. And that just goes to show you there's

113
00:07:18,399 --> 00:07:23,639
so much versatility with seaweed. And not only is there

114
00:07:23,839 --> 00:07:27,560
the nutritional properties and the benefits that you get, but

115
00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,879
you know, you can use you can use seaweed in

116
00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,199
so many different ways, just depending on what we're talking about.

117
00:07:33,279 --> 00:07:36,879
And you know, I think about something like Irish moss,

118
00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,360
for instance, and I think the scientific name for that

119
00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:45,040
is Crispus grondis, and a lot of people get that

120
00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:47,920
mixed up with with sea moss, which is very popular

121
00:07:47,959 --> 00:07:52,639
along African coastlines in the Caribbean, and it's a source

122
00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,879
of fiber and so many other nutrients I think there

123
00:07:54,959 --> 00:07:58,680
is in sea moss or excuse me, Irish moss. There's

124
00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,639
ninety two minerals that the body needs. And so not

125
00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,839
only can you consume it, which is usually consumed through

126
00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,600
a shake like a breakfast shake or something like that.

127
00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,600
I know Jamaicans they have a special drink that they make,

128
00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,000
but you also use it in cosmetics, in ice cream,

129
00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,600
and it's it's interesting. There's so many, so many ways

130
00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:27,160
to use it, so many different applications, and but you

131
00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:28,959
know a lot of people around here, they just they

132
00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:31,240
aren't really familiar with it. The harvesters might pick it,

133
00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:34,000
but they don't know what the endgame is. You know,

134
00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:37,200
where's it going to be used. And there's a a

135
00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:42,480
gelling agent in Irish moss that allows things to kind

136
00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,000
of stick together, and and that's why it's used, like

137
00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,200
I said, for cosmetics and things like that. So so

138
00:08:47,279 --> 00:08:48,799
much versatility in seaweed.

139
00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:55,440
Speaker 1: It's interesting, Yeah, definitely, mm hmm. I can remember, well,

140
00:08:55,600 --> 00:09:01,240
my good buck is my grandmother on father said, I

141
00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,759
mean that was fishing and good bad generations, and she

142
00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:10,840
would if she was just say, picked muscles or something

143
00:09:10,919 --> 00:09:15,000
like that, winkles or that there would be seeweed in

144
00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,519
the pond cooking them right right.

145
00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's overwhelming sometimes when you get down to

146
00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,639
the shoreline and in your mind you think I'm gonna

147
00:09:25,639 --> 00:09:29,600
go harvest dulls today or or you know, Irish moss,

148
00:09:29,639 --> 00:09:32,759
and then you see a bunch of periwinkles. You mentioned wrinkling.

149
00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,919
You see a bunch of periwinkles, which are kind of

150
00:09:34,919 --> 00:09:37,200
like a water snail for somebody who's not familiar with that,

151
00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,360
you know, or you know Norway or sea lettuce. And

152
00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,080
sometimes you kind of will pivot mid mid tide and

153
00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,600
pick something else because there's abundance of it. But and

154
00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,519
that's that's grammin In for you. The ecosystems are so

155
00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:56,440
interesting and so plentiful and uh, it's uh, it's a

156
00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:56,960
lot of fun.

157
00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,759
Speaker 1: Hey, we brushed on it earlier. What is going to

158
00:10:02,799 --> 00:10:05,960
ask you as well, Lauren? Are you familiar of you

159
00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:11,000
with what we find here? Is that I could go

160
00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,919
back to many of the beaches I foraged in and

161
00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,320
played in whatever, and we could there were there would

162
00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:24,159
be a spot where we would get dulls, not the

163
00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:30,039
whole beach. We in Helmsdale, the village I from, we

164
00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:35,519
had a we called it the Dulce Rock. H Are

165
00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,559
you familiar with that that that it's in certain areas,

166
00:10:39,759 --> 00:10:42,440
not extensive over the whole beach.

167
00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:47,799
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, definitely. You know and on Grammar and I

168
00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:52,240
think even you know around the world, there's a certain

169
00:10:52,279 --> 00:10:56,440
area of Grammana on that western coastline which faces main

170
00:10:57,879 --> 00:11:01,799
that's the world famous dolls, and that douls that grows

171
00:11:01,799 --> 00:11:06,919
along that western coastline is actually the same dolls that

172
00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,360
the indigenous past Mcquattye natives used to come over by

173
00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:15,320
canoe from Maine and depending on the season, they would

174
00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,559
come over and they'd harvest seaweed and dolls was such

175
00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,000
a big part of their diet. And you know that

176
00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,639
was you know, that was just over one hundred years ago.

177
00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,240
The last known sighting of the past Mcquatdye was early

178
00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:32,440
nineteen thirties coming over here in harvesting, and interesting enough,

179
00:11:33,639 --> 00:11:36,720
so many years later a lot of the locals use

180
00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:43,000
those same harvesting and processing methods. But yeah, so there's

181
00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:46,399
that well known area on that western coastline, but also

182
00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,320
even in neighboring islands around Gramina as well, you can

183
00:11:49,399 --> 00:11:52,879
find not only dolls, but other seaweed varieties. So there's

184
00:11:52,919 --> 00:11:55,919
definitely known spots, and then there's other spots too, which

185
00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,039
you know I would call, you know, honey holes where

186
00:11:59,279 --> 00:12:02,279
people will go and you know, they try to keep

187
00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,879
these spots secret, but you're always going to have other

188
00:12:04,919 --> 00:12:08,320
harvesters that follow you to certain spots because they saw

189
00:12:08,399 --> 00:12:11,720
what you would harvested the day before, so you know

190
00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,639
that's Graham and Ann right, So yeah, there's there's certainly

191
00:12:16,159 --> 00:12:18,679
lots of different varieties and lots of different places you

192
00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:19,080
could pick.

193
00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:26,559
Speaker 1: You know, when you talk about islands, do you know

194
00:12:25,759 --> 00:12:29,919
and are you familiar with the our area? They're not

195
00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,000
ripping them any North of Scotland and north of US

196
00:12:34,159 --> 00:12:37,080
there's a group of islands called the Orkney Islands.

197
00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:39,039
Speaker 2: I don't think I am no.

198
00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,759
Speaker 1: Okay, there's one of them, one of the islands, North

199
00:12:42,919 --> 00:12:48,519
Ronald's there and they have their own breeder's sheep there

200
00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:55,840
and would you believe it, Lauren, the fence is around

201
00:12:56,279 --> 00:13:00,399
the island and the sheep cannot get all of the

202
00:13:00,399 --> 00:13:04,159
beach because they're in the outside of the fence. On

203
00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,840
the beach, they can't eat. They can't even get in

204
00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,120
fast defence to eat pastures.

205
00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,519
Speaker 2: That sounds like Alcatraz for for sheep or something. That's funny. Yeah,

206
00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:16,360
wow wow.

207
00:13:17,159 --> 00:13:21,919
Speaker 1: And they make an enormous price for them. They have

208
00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,559
a huge name. But that's not just stick into dulls,

209
00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,240
that's just seaweed. And but even in the like of

210
00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:37,879
the Faroe Islands and also Iceland and Greenland, they have

211
00:13:38,879 --> 00:13:41,840
over the course of the year. The sheep will have

212
00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,039
they will be so long on the beach m h

213
00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,639
a certain time on the pastures, and then a certain

214
00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:55,600
time on the on the hill they would be they

215
00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,960
would be in the mountains on the hill, so at

216
00:14:00,039 --> 00:14:04,480
w be three different places that would be eaten over

217
00:14:04,519 --> 00:14:08,799
the course of the year. Let me tell you that

218
00:14:10,639 --> 00:14:14,240
I think that every they are all superb. But the

219
00:14:14,799 --> 00:14:20,360
scandiny of the Iceland and theeaters they reckon greenland lamb

220
00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,320
is the number one.

221
00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,039
Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting? Greenland lamb? That's that's neat okay, And

222
00:14:27,279 --> 00:14:29,600
I really like that you brought up livestock. I wasn't

223
00:14:29,639 --> 00:14:34,960
going to touch on this, but live stock can actually

224
00:14:35,159 --> 00:14:39,679
eat different kinds of seaweed varieties, and it shouldn't be

225
00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,000
a primary feed for them. It should be something that

226
00:14:43,039 --> 00:14:47,279
supplements their feed because it's so high in iodine and

227
00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,639
other things that would be more conducive to the diet

228
00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,679
for you, for you or I. But they can definitely

229
00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,919
eat seaweed. In fact, I dropped off some dolls to

230
00:14:59,039 --> 00:15:05,039
a farmer on the mainland about two months ago for

231
00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:09,600
their horse and sometimes that helps with their coat and

232
00:15:09,919 --> 00:15:13,120
other things too. There's different health benefits for the livestock,

233
00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,919
but again it's just more of a supplement to their feed.

234
00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,000
But yeah, it just goes along with what I said earlier,

235
00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,440
the versatility, you know.

236
00:15:21,279 --> 00:15:25,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. The only other thing I would have to

237
00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,440
see maybe a confession time telling you all about the

238
00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:34,960
special laity is for finding the lake adults. I'm saying

239
00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,120
it here as if I'm being quite open, but I'll

240
00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:42,360
tell you very few people would ever tick to the.

241
00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,159
Speaker 2: Spot, right right, Yeah.

242
00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:54,279
Speaker 1: Like any good photogeny network, never disclosing exactly exactly.

243
00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,639
Speaker 2: And let me tell you, like I have, you know,

244
00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,639
I have my honey holes, and I'm not about to

245
00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:02,320
give them up, right So I would say some of

246
00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,559
these spots, even my my brother might be the only

247
00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,480
person that knows some of these spots. And I'll take

248
00:16:06,519 --> 00:16:09,519
these spots to my grave. But uh, and after people

249
00:16:09,519 --> 00:16:11,759
listen to this podcast, they're gonna they're gonna follow me.

250
00:16:11,919 --> 00:16:13,000
But that's okay.

251
00:16:13,759 --> 00:16:17,080
Speaker 1: You're you mean did you actually mean you're not gonna

252
00:16:18,159 --> 00:16:20,440
give them? What did you say? You're the hunting sports,

253
00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,360
You're not You're not going to give them up?

254
00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:23,919
Speaker 2: I know, definitely not no.

255
00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,240
Speaker 1: Things. Some of the things I was gonna ask you.

256
00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,000
I don't think you're gonna share them either.

257
00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,159
Speaker 2: No, no, I won't be giving you, no, no, any

258
00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,039
kind of coordinates and where to find these spots. But uh,

259
00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,159
but you know what, like I said earlier, there are

260
00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,559
there's so many different spots on the island where you

261
00:16:42,559 --> 00:16:47,039
can harvest, and there's neighboring islands too. And what's interesting

262
00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,759
too is you know, if you go two or three

263
00:16:49,799 --> 00:16:52,320
miles up the road and you stick on the you know,

264
00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:57,240
on the same coastline, it's so diverse. These ecosystems are

265
00:16:57,279 --> 00:17:00,399
so diverse you could there's lots of there's lots of

266
00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:03,559
product wherever you go, so there's no shortage of areas.

267
00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:07,240
And you know, despite the fact that this is kind

268
00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,880
of the main economy in the summertime, there's quite a

269
00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,079
few harvesters. There's lots of different places where they can pick.

270
00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,960
So yeah, yeah, that's not a problem at all.

271
00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,759
Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about the many different uses. I

272
00:17:20,839 --> 00:17:25,559
remember as my father that when we were younger, just

273
00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:30,680
see get in early teens and when we're wanting to

274
00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:35,039
get pocket money. I mean, when I hear what pocket

275
00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,279
money children get, no, I'm almost staggered with it because

276
00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:45,079
when I was that age, and people obviously not just me,

277
00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,000
but everyd by aage. If you didn't work, you hadn't

278
00:17:49,079 --> 00:17:52,440
got pocket money. So we used to get to the beach,

279
00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,720
pick up, pick the wenkles. My father. My father showed

280
00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,599
me how to you know, we have tangle is what

281
00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,599
we called it. There's a there's a stem, quite a

282
00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,799
hard stem on it on a long flat leaf.

283
00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:11,559
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

284
00:18:13,799 --> 00:18:18,319
Speaker 1: He got he had showing me how to set it

285
00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:24,000
in pools where I would maybe get winkles. Leave it,

286
00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:25,519
leave it a few tides.

287
00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:26,759
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

288
00:18:27,559 --> 00:18:31,759
Speaker 1: Come back, pick up the tongle, put it under the bag,

289
00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,640
shake it, shake the tonguele, and you would fill it

290
00:18:35,759 --> 00:18:36,640
with winkles.

291
00:18:37,319 --> 00:18:41,720
Speaker 2: Absolutely, they would stick to this. Yes, that makes so

292
00:18:41,839 --> 00:18:46,640
much sense. And uh, you know, when it comes to kelp,

293
00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,680
I think that might be what you're referring to. There's

294
00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,240
certain kinds of help that you find in these little

295
00:18:51,279 --> 00:18:55,640
tidal pools and sometimes the matter of flipping over the kelp,

296
00:18:56,279 --> 00:18:59,440
and there's dozens of periwinkles that are just sucking the

297
00:18:59,519 --> 00:19:04,359
nutrients out of these pieces of help, and that probably

298
00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:07,599
sometimes influences their size. I don't really know the science there,

299
00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,400
but it probably affects their size. But I can tell

300
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,759
you one other thing. We don't want to sway too

301
00:19:12,839 --> 00:19:16,720
much from dulls here, but you mentioned the periwinkles. This

302
00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:18,759
is something I learned recently from a friend of mine

303
00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:24,279
that the size of the periwinkles is really determined by

304
00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:28,319
how much exposure that coastline has to swell, you know,

305
00:19:28,519 --> 00:19:30,920
tides and things like that. And if this is a

306
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,279
coastline that's major league exposed and it's just all ocean

307
00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,039
and it's just getting hammered all the time, you can

308
00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:42,519
expect those periwinkles, those wrinkles to be massive. And of

309
00:19:42,599 --> 00:19:46,079
course that's you know, beneficial for the harvester because when

310
00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:50,119
you go to process these periwinkles, there's regular size and

311
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,759
there's large size, and when you're shaking them down, you

312
00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:55,240
know you want to have large periwinkles because they pay

313
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,079
thirty cents more than a regular size periwinkle per pounds.

314
00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:03,759
So that's interesting you mentioned about that kelp But that's

315
00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:06,599
a big part of the diet for these little water snails.

316
00:20:06,599 --> 00:20:09,640
These periwinkles fantastic.

317
00:20:10,319 --> 00:20:15,880
Speaker 1: But as you said, dolls, I think you'd ask you no,

318
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:21,519
Lauren but anybody who never tried dolls, you see it

319
00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,039
dolls really is and why should they care it?

320
00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, like I said, not only is it a

321
00:20:29,519 --> 00:20:33,079
big part of the culture here, but it's something that

322
00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:40,440
is used in culinary in you know, application within the kitchen.

323
00:20:40,799 --> 00:20:44,359
You can use it to you know, elevate the flavor

324
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:49,240
profile of the food. You can snack on it. It's funny,

325
00:20:49,279 --> 00:20:51,640
you know, if you were to be hitchhiking down the

326
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,680
road on Graham and An Island where I live, which

327
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,759
is very common here and very safe. A lot of

328
00:20:57,759 --> 00:21:00,920
people hitchhike if they're going to the grocery store, it

329
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,119
wouldn't be uncommon during the summer months to see a

330
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:08,559
handful of DULs on the dash, you know, and somebody's

331
00:21:08,599 --> 00:21:11,759
just snacking on it. They just leave it there. That's

332
00:21:11,839 --> 00:21:14,279
kind of how it is down here. So yeah, it's

333
00:21:14,279 --> 00:21:17,759
such a big part of the culture. And on top

334
00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:20,720
of that too, about ninety five percent of the supply

335
00:21:20,839 --> 00:21:23,400
of dulls in the world comes from Graham and Ann

336
00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:27,319
and so it just goes to show you, you know,

337
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,319
how important it is. But unfortunately, I would say, you know,

338
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:37,319
in recent years, you know, there's definitely been a difference

339
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,920
in the harvesting. You know, I would say more people

340
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,119
are harvesting more than ever now and that's definitely had

341
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,880
an effect on the growth and the quality. You know.

342
00:21:48,079 --> 00:21:49,880
There's different people that you could talk to who have

343
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,000
been dulcing for fifty years of their life and they

344
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,319
would say, you know, back in the seventies and eighties,

345
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,079
dults would grow to three or four feet in length.

346
00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:03,640
But now people are harvesting earlier in the year, in

347
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,680
April and in times like that, where I would say

348
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,359
a lot of the product is still in its infancy stage,

349
00:22:10,519 --> 00:22:12,160
you know, and it doesn't really get a chance to

350
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,880
grow to full maturity and it's just being scraped off

351
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,799
the rock. So it's just it's so important to hold

352
00:22:17,839 --> 00:22:21,960
off and let it grow a little bit and and

353
00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:25,599
then you're going to get the best quality stuff. But yeah, no,

354
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,799
it's it's it's a big part of the economy here,

355
00:22:28,079 --> 00:22:32,599
it's a big part of the lifestyle, and it's versatility.

356
00:22:32,759 --> 00:22:35,599
It's shipped all over the world too, you know. Uh.

357
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,279
And yeah, gram Anders I think are proud of it

358
00:22:39,319 --> 00:22:41,279
as a product. They're proud of it.

359
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 1: Would you ask if I was just sit here taking

360
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,799
a stage further from that, and it's been eaten for

361
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:55,200
generations around the coasts. What have we lost in how

362
00:22:55,279 --> 00:22:58,480
we volue it today or have we lost it or

363
00:22:58,519 --> 00:22:59,519
have we lost anything?

364
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 2: That's a great question, and I feel like somebody like

365
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,160
my father could probably speak better to that. You know,

366
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,799
he's somebody who harvested in the nineteen eighties and the

367
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,720
early nineteen nineties, and I would say the biggest thing

368
00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:20,880
we've lost maybe the sustainability of it. You know, like

369
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,359
I said, there's dozens and dozens of dories and small

370
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,880
boats that will go out and just go overboard in

371
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,039
the harvesting, and there's really not a lot of regulation

372
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,960
when it comes to dolls, and so there's people going out,

373
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,240
you know, prematurely to pick, and so it's a matter,

374
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,359
you know, like I said, giving it a chance to grow.

375
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:46,200
And you know, the quality is so important, and even

376
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,079
when a harvester goes out and picks, they want the

377
00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:51,720
best quality product that they can go and sell, because

378
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,599
when you go to somebody who buys dolls, there's going

379
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,000
to be first quality dolls that's worth a certain amount,

380
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,119
and then there's going to be that second quality dolls.

381
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,240
Second quality dolls is something that might be grinded up

382
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,799
into flakes, and it may aesthetically maybe it doesn't look

383
00:24:07,839 --> 00:24:10,680
as good. Maybe it's got some gray leaf in it,

384
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,240
and gray leaf is something that happens, you know, when

385
00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:17,400
it might be a little bit sun burnt and things

386
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,400
like that. So the quality isn't there, it's it's really

387
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,640
more aesthetically. The flavor is still going to be there,

388
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,720
the taste is going to be there, but it just

389
00:24:24,759 --> 00:24:27,119
doesn't look as good. It's not something that maybe you're

390
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,519
gonna want to buy at the farmer's market. So conditions

391
00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:37,359
are important. And yeah, no, it's about just doing it

392
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,359
right and having integrity when you pick. That's the biggest

393
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:41,920
thing for sure.

394
00:24:43,559 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really good. So from that, do you feel

395
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,880
it's a forgotten food making a comeback or are we

396
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,160
reinventing something that's really never been away.

397
00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 2: I would say it's bec coming more well known to

398
00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:07,960
people and a lot of buyers, a lot of retail

399
00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:11,839
spaces are open to the idea of giving it a

400
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,680
shot for different reasons. I think, well, first of all,

401
00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:20,279
it's got phenomenal shelf life. Dulce is something that can

402
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,200
last up to three years if it's kept in a

403
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:27,000
cool area, a dark space. Usually it flies off the

404
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,559
shelf and during the summer months, but if it's kept

405
00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:34,720
well then it can last for a long time. And

406
00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:37,680
it's such a nutrient dense food too, there's so many

407
00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:41,319
nutrients in DULs. So I think, yeah, I think a

408
00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:45,079
lot of health food suppliers and retail stores are willing

409
00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:47,720
to give it a shot and see how people if

410
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,400
they're going to be receptive to it or not. And

411
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,200
I would say a large part a large demographic of

412
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,599
my customers or baby boomers, you know, a lot of these.

413
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,759
I love hearing stories of people in their sixties and

414
00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:06,079
seventies who, you know, their experience with dolls as a kid,

415
00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:09,680
whether it's going to the store the market with their

416
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,400
grandfather and and then bringing bringing home dolls and maybe

417
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,839
frying it up on the woodstove, kind of like you

418
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,279
would with bacon, you know. And by by the way,

419
00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:22,559
for any vegans out there, this is a great alternative

420
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,720
for bacon. It's got that similar flavor profile and and

421
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:29,680
you don't really feel as guilty, and it's certainly got

422
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,039
better health benefits too. But I would say a lot

423
00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:37,039
of people are giving it a shot, you know, and yeah,

424
00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:41,200
for the health fanatics, they're they're willing to incorporate that

425
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:45,559
into their diet and and give it a try.

426
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:52,559
Speaker 1: You've seen the industry evolve obviously here involvement in that.

427
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:56,559
What changed, do you feel for the better or has

428
00:26:56,759 --> 00:27:01,880
anything gone backwards? Uh?

429
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 2: I love that. You know, you see chefs different restaurants

430
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:12,039
across the country, across Canada incorporating fresh sea seaweed or

431
00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:16,720
seafood into their menus. And you know, I'm not just

432
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:20,039
talking about dulls, different kinds of help and Irish moss

433
00:27:20,039 --> 00:27:23,400
and things like that. They're they're they're you know, implementing

434
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,279
that into their cuisine. And what I'd like to see

435
00:27:28,319 --> 00:27:30,559
happen more with people though, is is using it more

436
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,000
day to day in their kitchen. You know, you know,

437
00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:36,359
like they use salt and pepper, put a pinch of

438
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,839
DULs flakes on your on your eggs in the morning,

439
00:27:40,279 --> 00:27:44,079
or you know, dulse powder, Irish moss, use these things

440
00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:47,799
and you're smoothie get those health benefits. So I'd love

441
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:50,000
to see it, you know, more in the day to day.

442
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,359
And I think you're seeing more of that, I really do,

443
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,319
especially with food influencers, you know, on Instagram and Facebook.

444
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,640
They're they're using things and it starts to I think,

445
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,000
get some traction for sure.

446
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:11,519
Speaker 1: One of BBC had a team up doing a in

447
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:17,319
the area and they had me cooking us cooking fish

448
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:23,039
because the reputation from using what was local. Do you know?

449
00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:26,839
Do you know what the dish the plump on for

450
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,119
me to cook? I think I could probably find a

451
00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:33,839
copy of the video and I could send to you.

452
00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 2: I'd love to see it.

453
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,559
Speaker 1: It was soul with a dullll butter sauce.

454
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:47,759
Speaker 2: Oh, that's nice. That's nice. That sounds great man. Anything

455
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:52,519
seaweed or anything seafood related, I'm in Yeah, that sounds

456
00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:56,440
so good man. And how'd you enjoy that?

457
00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: Oh it was fantastic. But I U there weren't. There

458
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,519
had no trouble. They didn't need to convince me that

459
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:11,160
because we used I used seaweeds so much, you know,

460
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:12,880
when we had the restaurant.

461
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:14,119
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

462
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: Even if it is sort of oysters, there would be

463
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,200
an abet of seaweed.

464
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that. That's great. Yeah, it

465
00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:29,559
h it's neat how you can garnish food with with

466
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,359
something that you just harvest along the coastline and It's

467
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,079
also interesting too, you know, you talked about that dish

468
00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:38,599
with the soul. You probably don't need, you know, that

469
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,559
much dulce or that much sea truffle or or you know,

470
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:45,880
because the flavor, it doesn't take much to really elevate

471
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,519
that flavor profile. When you add something like that, That

472
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:56,119
unami flavor profile is strong, and it's just having a

473
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,880
little bit of that, that subtle flavor to add to

474
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,440
a dish and goes a long way, it really does,

475
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:05,079
you know. I think, you know, even recently, we've talked

476
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:08,559
about sea truffle a little bit. I had some sea truffle,

477
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:10,279
which is one of the products that I harvest. It

478
00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:14,119
was it was showcased at the Canadian Culinary Championships a

479
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,640
couple of months ago, and it really took off. I

480
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,119
think since then. There's a lot of people, chefs in particular,

481
00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:24,839
that reach out to me at a curiosity, you know,

482
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,799
what's the deal with this? How can I use this?

483
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,200
And so that's been something that's really really taken off

484
00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:35,119
in recent months. And like I said, you don't really

485
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,440
need too much of it. And with sea truffle too,

486
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:43,440
it's got such a potent flavor and it's not like dulce.

487
00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:47,119
DULs kind of has that salty flavor, you know, and

488
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,640
with DULs you can snack on it and things like that.

489
00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:53,640
Sea truffle is more of a garnish. It's something that

490
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,039
you would just use in such a mild way for

491
00:30:56,079 --> 00:31:00,720
a dish, and it's it's a bold flavor, but it

492
00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:05,319
adds so much, especially two different seafood related dishes.

493
00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're saying them without snacking. Remember, I was

494
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,960
doing a lot of business with the Paroe islands' that's

495
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,240
you could say from looking at the north of Scotland

496
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:29,599
and Iceland. Pharaoh is right in the middle, and we

497
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,119
used to I used to deal with a lot of

498
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,720
Faiewese boats, that was Faiwes fishermen with her Faiies boats

499
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,000
fishing Pharaoh waters and they would come and land their

500
00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:47,359
fish and scrabs there where I was based. I did

501
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,240
a lot of business for oh I'm talking fifteen to

502
00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:52,920
twenty years, and I got they know a lot of

503
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,720
them really well. And I spent a lot of time

504
00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:58,759
going back and forth to the Pharaohs. One of the

505
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,279
skippers who I classed as a close friend. Unfortunately he

506
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,160
was lost. See you know, his boat was lost lord

507
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,960
and he lost. That was for the family. That was

508
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,960
the father then and son in law all lost.

509
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: Wow.

510
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:25,839
Speaker 1: Wow, so the father son and the daughter's husband that

511
00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:29,359
when they were all before that happened. I was in

512
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,720
the Pharaohs when I long to see them, they asked

513
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:41,599
me along for a meal. And before that there were snacks.

514
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,200
Just when you mentioned snacks, it came to my mind.

515
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:50,599
The what we got. I'm not sure the Quality Street

516
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:59,119
and Macintosh. It's like chocolates with different flavored centers.

517
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: I'm familiar, yes.

518
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:10,759
Speaker 1: Okay, And there was Quality Streets, Macintosh, different topies. There

519
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:17,359
was bits of seaweed and a plate and there were

520
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:24,200
parts of dried fish on it. And the children, every

521
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:28,079
one of the children never touched a chocolate.

522
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,799
Speaker 2: Is that right to turn off?

523
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: Was it? No? Yet? They were on the seaweed and

524
00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:38,880
the dried fish.

525
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:42,079
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm hmm. Interesting.

526
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,079
Speaker 1: I thought that was really really interesting.

527
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:51,359
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, hmm. That's that's different. That's different.

528
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: I think that's just a ats or culture. That's that.

529
00:33:56,079 --> 00:33:58,480
My goodness, How good is that for them?

530
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah, no, definitely, definitely. I mean, I'll I'll eat

531
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,599
anything as long as that's not onions. That's one thing

532
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,599
I've never liked, but uh yeah, it's it's interesting how

533
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:14,960
people use seaweed in in in culinary cuisine. I I

534
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,880
you know, even yesterday I had sprinkled some some dulse

535
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,480
flakes on my popcorn. And you can find different creative

536
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:25,119
ways to use it and get those health benefits. But

537
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,519
I've never heard it paired with fish before. That's really neat.

538
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:36,639
Speaker 1: Okay. Dulcet has often talked about as a superfood. It

539
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,960
does do you buy that? Or it is that marketing

540
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:48,119
getting ahead of reality? Do you feel it?

541
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: It's loaded with nutrients, It's it's high and it's high

542
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:56,679
in iodine. It's a great source for iron, especially if you're,

543
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,920
like I said, a vegan or a vegetarian that doesn't

544
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,800
eat red meat. It's high in those nutrients that sometimes

545
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,400
you know, they don't find elsewhere. It's got potassium, it's

546
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:15,639
got magnesium, it's got calcium, and it's got plant based protein.

547
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:20,079
So you're really you're covering so many bases there, and

548
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,519
I think it should be incorporated more into a lot

549
00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:28,079
of these, you know, people who are older who maybe

550
00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:30,639
have these deficiencies, and it could be almost used as

551
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:33,599
a replacement sometimes I don't want to get myself in

552
00:35:33,639 --> 00:35:38,599
trouble here, but from any pharmacists or doctors. But it's

553
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:42,280
got so many health benefits and I think it should

554
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,559
be incorporated more into into the diet for sure, because

555
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:50,039
one hundred percent it is a superfood. That's a good point.

556
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: Excellent good dams that I would say, because I felt this,

557
00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:55,559
I feel exac same.

558
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,519
Speaker 2: I should say in moderation, you know, like anything you

559
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:02,320
want to eat in moderation because it is high in iodine,

560
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:05,360
but certainly one of the healthiest snacks out there.

561
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely are there risks or misconceptions people should be

562
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,679
aware of, you feel in any.

563
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,639
Speaker 2: Way, Yeah, there might be a few. I would say.

564
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,039
Some people might think that it's, you know, some kind

565
00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:26,639
of miracle food because it checks off so many different

566
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,000
you know, vitamins and minerals you can get. But it's

567
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,239
not you know, you still want to eat from all

568
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,679
the all the food groups that are suggested by the

569
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,320
Canadian you know, food guidelines, but it is nutrient dense

570
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:42,760
and you know, comes straight from the ocean and it's

571
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,119
not processed like you'd have a bag of chips down

572
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:50,559
at the gas station. It's it's it's not going to

573
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:55,079
fix you overnight either, but it's real food, you know,

574
00:36:55,119 --> 00:37:00,239
It's not a shortcut and definitely eating in moderation. But

575
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,039
I don't think there's major misconceptions. I think that there's

576
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:05,400
a lot of people in the Maritimes, most people that

577
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:10,079
be familiar with dulls and and those who like it.

578
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,960
They actually those who love it love it, and those

579
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,280
who hate it hate it. But one thing I should

580
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,159
touch on as well too is as the Eastern Canada

581
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,960
becomes more populated, there's been such an influx of immigrants,

582
00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:30,039
especially from areas like Korea and China and the Philippines,

583
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,440
and a lot of these nations sea seafood in particular

584
00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:37,559
is a big part of their diet, and I feel

585
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:41,239
like they're going to be more interested in trying things

586
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:47,159
like this in their own cuisine, and so it's it's

587
00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:49,159
a cultural thing for us, and I think it's gonna

588
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:51,719
it's gonna become even bigger too, with all these immigrants,

589
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,800
I really do.

590
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: How do you feel about what was going to mention?

591
00:37:57,559 --> 00:38:04,440
Just no Lord, I think I would say a misconception

592
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:10,960
we have people have is they're seeing seaweed and all

593
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:14,920
this sea. It is. Oh, it's just something that lies

594
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:19,280
on the rocks. But if they were to see it

595
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,719
when the tide is in, they would see the importance

596
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,559
of it. Because there's so many. You talked earlier about

597
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:34,159
the different varieties and they all got their uses. Now

598
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,159
we have we have the I'm sure you'll probably have

599
00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:45,679
the same there rack rack, there's bladder rack and a

600
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,519
few different racks now and there'll be there'll be air

601
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:55,440
pockets like like we pops. We would squeeze them and

602
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,000
pop them with the air. Now there is I mean,

603
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,840
they're important because that's what takes them, keeps them up.

604
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:10,239
They're almost like a tree when the waters and the

605
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,679
tide esz. So that's it's it's not just food for

606
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,719
us when the tides out, but that's cover for small fish.

607
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,000
If there's for predators. There's so many. There's so much

608
00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:25,320
importance in seaweed.

609
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 2: Definitely, it's a big part of the ecosystem and it

610
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,920
is going to offer protection, like you said, for some

611
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,119
of those smaller crustaceans you know, from from predators in

612
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:41,079
the sea. And you know you mentioned the bladderwack and

613
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:43,719
that's something it's not something I actually deal with very much.

614
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,360
There's other people here on the island, other buyers that

615
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,920
do deal with it more often, but I'm not not

616
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:53,159
very familiar with it. But it is something that's harvested

617
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:56,239
a lot around here, and it has a lot of

618
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,639
interesting compounds in it too that are actually really good

619
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:05,800
for your skin. And you know, people who have rash

620
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,960
and ezema and things like that. There's a gel agent

621
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,159
in some of these things. I think you can also

622
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:15,920
find it in rock weed and just by rubbing it

623
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:18,480
around your hands and you can find actually some of

624
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:23,039
these things. They will extract the compounds out of these

625
00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:26,719
different seaweeds and they'll put it into lotions and it's

626
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,880
just got incredible, incredible benefits for people who have skin issues.

627
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:33,679
You can find a lot of that bladderwack around Gramminghn

628
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,079
you really can, okay.

629
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: I mean, as children, if we fail in the rock

630
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,400
and cut ourselves, cut a leg or that, it's a

631
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,320
bit to see, we would rob it round with no

632
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,320
bondages or plasters.

633
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely, that's funny. That's not something that we would

634
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,400
use around here. We'd probably just go up to the

635
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,320
hospital and it was great, you know, living on a

636
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,639
little island like this. There's a hospital up the road

637
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,719
that services you know, the twenty four hundred people that

638
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,519
live here, And I would say, honestly, you get the

639
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:14,239
best healthcare on gram and An island. You know there

640
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,280
are there's I think there's three doctors down here, and

641
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,559
the wait time at the hospital is usually about ten

642
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:25,039
minutes compared to maybe twenty four hours on the mainland.

643
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,719
But you know, if there was a big build up

644
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:33,960
of people who who needed injuries to be dealt with,

645
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,960
I think they would probably just get into the shoreline

646
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,760
and they'd get covered up with stewee. That that's a

647
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:38,840
good alternative for sure.

648
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:42,159
Speaker 1: I would just be careful how far you go with

649
00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:45,199
that one, or you're going to find yourself all of

650
00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:46,800
a sudden over populated.

651
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:49,079
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

652
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's not there's not many. There's not many people. Countries,

653
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:58,679
never mind regions could make that claim. You know. Now,

654
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,400
I'll tell you we have a well it's a joke.

655
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,559
It's a joke. It's not it's not real, but it's

656
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:11,960
pretty close to the truth. And it's a joke that's

657
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,760
been born from the situation we have in the UK.

658
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:21,320
Just now, Okay, this guy came through and he says,

659
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,599
he's wife. You fancy a bit of fun. Yeah, I

660
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:31,320
always fancy a bit of fun. Fancy we played doctors

661
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,400
and nurses. Yeah, that would be good, that would be cool,

662
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,639
So he said the guy he gets his wife laser

663
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,719
on the bed, wheels it out to the hall, and

664
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,639
leaves her for forty eight hours.

665
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:53,639
Speaker 2: I didn't know where that joke was going. YMP, that's good.

666
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:54,239
That's good.

667
00:42:55,400 --> 00:43:01,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunately, very much the usual. Now if somebody's taking

668
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:03,559
the hospital, they'll be in the corridor for a d

669
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,880
they're right right before the good loop.

670
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: That Yes, yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah, that's great, man, that's good.

671
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: That's good.

672
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: Any seaweed humor, I love it. Yeah, that's good man.

673
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: It's wild harvesting a though sustainable at scale.

674
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: You know, if I grew up harvesting this stuff forty

675
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,599
fifty years ago, I'd probably have a different answer now.

676
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:35,800
I would say, as long as harvesters can respect the

677
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:41,840
environment and sustainability is valued, then maybe we can get

678
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,639
back to a better place. Maybe these are species that

679
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:50,599
can be scaled at a greater level. But I think

680
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:54,159
the big thing right now is, yeah, respecting the seasons

681
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:59,320
and yeah, not going out prematurely to harvest, you know,

682
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:02,679
but I think think a well managed wild harvest can

683
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:09,280
be extremely sustainable long term. But it's just it's a

684
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,079
matter of like anything, you do it with integrity and definitely,

685
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:18,239
so I think it's it's just your approach. And but

686
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:21,119
i'd love to see it scaled, you know, even more

687
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:22,679
than it is now, and I'd love to see it

688
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:26,199
more well known. But you know, we'll just see how

689
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,119
that plays out over the next few years. But yeah,

690
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:31,840
it'd be interesting to see how that how that goes

691
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:32,800
with that.

692
00:44:33,159 --> 00:44:40,079
Speaker 1: Mind, Lauren, a guy like yourself who is really harms

693
00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:45,400
on with it on the beach, would you not feel Now,

694
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,679
I'm not going to start getting political here, but we

695
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,719
use it a lot because we're very much our politicians

696
00:44:54,760 --> 00:45:00,599
are very much environmental driven more so than as we

697
00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:06,480
say here, there's a massive difference between fictities science and

698
00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:16,079
environmental science. But without trying to come from one side,

699
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,480
do you know, I feel at times people don't give

700
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:28,679
nature as much credit and gredance as it should get.

701
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely, And you know, when people are motivated by greed,

702
00:45:33,639 --> 00:45:40,199
then you know a lot of these regulations and you know,

703
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,039
thoughts about things just kind of go downhill. And I

704
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:48,599
think I think a lot of policies and add this

705
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:54,480
advocacy around seaweed. You know, it's important to consider, you know,

706
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:57,320
like I said, the seasons and stuff like that, and.

707
00:45:59,039 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: You know.

708
00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: The result of of how things have been going over

709
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,440
the last few years. It's just it's not the way

710
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,199
it was, you know, like I said forty years ago.

711
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:15,079
And for instance, see wee gets lumped together, you know,

712
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:18,320
by harvesting dolls completely different from cutting kelp or or

713
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,960
dragging for other marine resources. And so it's important to

714
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:25,840
to go about it in the right way. And and dolls,

715
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:30,000
you know, it's hand harvested. It's selective, and some species

716
00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:33,239
tend to regrow quickly and others don't. And I would

717
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:39,880
say dulce is such unique, unique species, and so you

718
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,719
can't really compare apples to apples because it's every species

719
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:49,239
is so different. So it's important just to to be

720
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,599
familiar with with the guidelines. And there really isn't a

721
00:46:53,639 --> 00:46:56,679
lot of regulations around these kinds of things. So it's

722
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,760
more about just like a gentleman's agreement. You know, we're

723
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,679
gonna go out this month to start harvesting We're not

724
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,280
going to go a couple months before and try to

725
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,880
beat everybody else. You know, it's May now and I

726
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,199
haven't gone out yet, and I want to wait till,

727
00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:12,880
you know, the end of the month. And that's kind

728
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,519
of that's kind of how how it should be.

729
00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:23,559
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean one of the things, Okay,

730
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:26,639
it's not seaweed, it's not dulls. But what's come to

731
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,679
my mind when I was asking you that it's weird

732
00:47:29,679 --> 00:47:35,760
a situation over here where there were you know, the

733
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:42,599
razor clams. Mm hmm, there were and they were putting

734
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:51,000
a shock boats and had electro fishing. They were calling it.

735
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,599
There was putting that cable at the boat and lash

736
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,880
charge and it was given a shock, and I reckon

737
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:07,960
it was it was for a razor clam. And the

738
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:12,239
environmental groups and all the all this the people who

739
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,960
were up in arms about this so that they got

740
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,000
it banned for a while, and there were certain beaches

741
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:27,960
where there were still actively doing this electro fishing for

742
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:33,559
for razor clams. And it got to the stage Lorne

743
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:41,559
where even the compliance officers they are trying to stop

744
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,400
this happening, had to admit and one of them openly

745
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,079
admitted it, said it to me that they were finding

746
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:55,840
even with the electro fishing and the amount of razor clams,

747
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,639
they were almost dredging up. And it obvious I can't

748
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:05,639
read way, way beyond hand picking, but a few tides

749
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:13,559
and here with more razor clums, right right, So I

750
00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:15,800
just feel that that's more or less what I was

751
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,199
coming from. That type of thing when we just we

752
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:26,159
just think negativity, negativity if you if you pick double

753
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,880
the just see you pick dulce today and you pick

754
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:35,960
double tomorrow, or you're fishing yourself out. I just don't

755
00:49:36,199 --> 00:49:39,320
I don't see that right right.

756
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a good it's a good idea

757
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,840
just to kind of mix it up and go to

758
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,880
different spots, let other places, you know, replenish, and naturally

759
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,480
that's going to happen if you if you let an

760
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,239
area you know, replenish and let the tides come in

761
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,440
and out, you know, you go back in a couple

762
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,119
of weeks, they'll be you know that much more you

763
00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:01,159
know product there. So it's go to rotate your spots

764
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,480
as a harvester, and I think that's what a lot

765
00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:06,920
of people like to do. So yeah, I know that's

766
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,000
that's important. That's a good point. That's a good point.

767
00:50:09,679 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. And another big point here, which I feel is

768
00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:19,239
fair to mention, which I'm absolutely sure you're right with

769
00:50:21,079 --> 00:50:25,360
a great saying a lot of fishermen have here, we

770
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:30,519
don't work against nature is you can't work against nature

771
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:36,079
if you if you did, he says, if you were

772
00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:41,920
playing a game with nature and you went against it,

773
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:44,880
they would just kick the board. She would kick the board.

774
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:50,679
So mh they talk about working with there's no other

775
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,960
you don't play against nature. You work with it.

776
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,559
Speaker 2: Definitely, Definitely what you're.

777
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: Saying there, that's exactly what you're doing.

778
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you know, there's so many variables. There's so

779
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:05,719
many things that go into my approach every time I

780
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,840
go oute to harvest, and you know, you want to

781
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,639
look at obviously the tide schedule and to see what

782
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,719
time blow tide is at, but on top of that too,

783
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,000
you want to see what the weather conditions are, what's

784
00:51:16,039 --> 00:51:18,719
it look like as far as wind, what's the swell

785
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,480
going to be like? You know, every time I'm going

786
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:23,840
to wear a life jacket, you know, two kids at home,

787
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,599
I'm always gonna wear a lifejacket and a wife. So

788
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,280
but it's important to look at those conditions because it

789
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,559
just it allows you to anticipate, you know, what what

790
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,760
might happen, and you know, if it's if it's rough,

791
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,960
then maybe it's just not worth going out, even though

792
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,440
it might be a matter of leaving money on the table.

793
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,159
You know, my life's more valuable than that. I've had

794
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:48,119
a few close calls even over the last three or

795
00:51:48,119 --> 00:51:50,920
four years. One was on a scolloping boat and the

796
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,480
two other times were while I was out harvesting product.

797
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,000
So it's just it's it's it's important to consider all

798
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:57,599
the variables.

799
00:51:57,599 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: You know.

800
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 2: One other thing that's huge on gramm And is the fog.

801
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,679
You know, all year round it's always foggy here, and

802
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:09,000
you know, so visibility that's another thing too. So yeah,

803
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,400
it's just good to be aware of of of what

804
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:12,320
to expect. For sure.

805
00:52:14,639 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 1: That's good, that's great. It's a roughly viable market for

806
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,280
dolls beyond sort of niche buyers.

807
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. I would say the short answer is yes.

808
00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:30,480
You know, the eastern provinces of Canada, there's so many

809
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:36,599
meat shops and markets and and retailers that that carry dolls.

810
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,440
But as I said, there's a there's an incrediblemount of

811
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,599
versatility in the product, and it could be used as

812
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:46,400
a salad topper, you know, it could be it could

813
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:51,199
be used like I said in livestock Feed. So yes,

814
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,960
there's there is, there is a viable market for dolls.

815
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,119
It's it's about knowing what it can be used in

816
00:52:57,559 --> 00:52:59,880
and and how it can benefit you. So if you

817
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:02,719
understand those things, then I think there's going to be

818
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:09,199
more awareness about it. Yeah, it can certainly go a

819
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:10,119
long way, for sure.

820
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: It's really interesting. And what you've said before, do you

821
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:25,639
feel where you are that's one of the pame ideots

822
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:26,639
in the world.

823
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 2: Mm hmm for harvesting dolls. Yeah, yeah, definitely. The majority

824
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:37,360
of the dolls that's harvested in this world comes from

825
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:42,039
Graham and Island and that gets shipped all over the world.

826
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:48,239
And there are you know, big companies that produce vitamins

827
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,079
and you know, protein shakes and things like that, and

828
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:57,639
they incorporate not just dolls powder, you know, kelp powder

829
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:01,000
and things like that. Because of the how nutrient dance

830
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,039
it is. It's just it's phenomenal, and I think when

831
00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:08,760
people start to realize, you know, all the different usages.

832
00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:11,599
I think you're going to see, you know, like we

833
00:54:11,639 --> 00:54:13,840
talked about earlier, we're going to see it's hopefully scale

834
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,599
and it's going to become you know, that much more

835
00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:22,599
known around the world. There's so much potential there, you know.

836
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:28,159
Speaker 1: The idiot eleven. Here in northern Scotland, there's a company

837
00:54:29,559 --> 00:54:34,199
who are actually producing you know, we call them crisp

838
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:39,679
you know, snocks, bugs bugs. You can get salt and

839
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:46,360
vinegar or or ready salted. Do you call them crisps

840
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,719
I know? Or chips?

841
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be like a like a kettle chip.

842
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,719
Or are we talking something that's like a seaweed, like

843
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:55,480
a seaweed chip.

844
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,679
Speaker 1: Well, there's a company here, That's what I was going

845
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,280
to see. The meat seaweed Dulse flavor is one of them.

846
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:10,239
And they're sure sure they call themselves if if a

847
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,800
look at it and google it and yeah, they make

848
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,360
a dulls flavor crisp.

849
00:55:16,679 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 2: What we call that sounds that sounds delicious if you

850
00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:21,679
pair that with what what kind of beer would you

851
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:22,119
pair that with?

852
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:31,119
Speaker 1: Jim, Well, I think that's the master the taste I

853
00:55:31,159 --> 00:55:34,960
would have that way. When we talk about bead here.

854
00:55:35,079 --> 00:55:38,599
It could be a brown eel or I would have

855
00:55:38,679 --> 00:55:40,119
a lot what we call a laga.

856
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. That sounds great. That sounds awesome. I there's

857
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,079
nothing that beats having a bruski on the deck in

858
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:53,840
the summertime with dolls. They just pair so well together,

859
00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:58,400
you know. And yeah, that's one of my favorite snack

860
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,280
pairings as a beer and and some dolls. That sounds great.

861
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:08,639
Speaker 1: There's a close friend of mine. He actually he is

862
00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:15,000
not doing it. No, it was hideous things happened. But

863
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:23,599
he was making his own claf vinegar mm hmm. And

864
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,320
one of the flavors which was absolutely to die for

865
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,840
it smoked Dulls vinegar.

866
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 2: Wow wow wow. I love that. Whoever does like product

867
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,840
development in Scotland, I would love to meet them all

868
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,400
these different things smoke dolls. This sounds great. These are

869
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,800
great ideas. I'm not sure why Canadians haven't picked up

870
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:49,280
on this.

871
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,599
Speaker 1: This is you know what it is. You know how

872
00:56:51,679 --> 00:56:54,760
he was what he was smoking them with? Tell me

873
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,920
the chips from whiskey bottle.

874
00:56:58,880 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 2: Wow?

875
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: Oh wow?

876
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 2: And and you've tried that before, have you? Oh?

877
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: Just absolutely well. I used to put it in so

878
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:12,039
many of my sauces and dishes. It was just fantastic.

879
00:57:12,599 --> 00:57:14,840
In fact, I could eat, I could easily put you

880
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,360
in touch with this guy and you could talk because,

881
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,719
like you and me from our conversations, he said his

882
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,519
happiest when he's on a beach. Mmm.

883
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:29,159
Speaker 2: Definitely. Man, that sounds so good.

884
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: Such such a talented chef who some of the products

885
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,920
he's come up with, Lauren were just amazing. But that

886
00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:40,679
for me anyway, that was the best smoke.

887
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,719
Speaker 2: Dulciboy get that sounds so good?

888
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yep. What would you say is the biggest

889
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,480
barrier consumer perception, supply or price?

890
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:59,159
Speaker 2: Hmmm? I would say, I mean, hey, the sales side

891
00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:02,800
for me is is the easy part. But I would

892
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,840
say maybe consumer perception that might be the biggest hurdle.

893
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:11,719
You know, I talked about the inflex in Asian immigrants,

894
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,719
and I think, yeah, once they once they start using

895
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:19,840
that dulls and not just dolls, you know, all those

896
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,920
other kinds of seaweed, and these are different seaweeds that

897
00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:28,320
don't necessarily grow in places like Asia, you know, or

898
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,159
or these other places that they're coming from. I think

899
00:58:31,159 --> 00:58:36,320
when they understand the culinary application for these different seaweeds.

900
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,320
I think you're going to see more of it used.

901
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:43,559
But yeah, I would say consumer perception, that's probably the

902
00:58:43,559 --> 00:58:48,159
biggest hurdle. So ask me that question five years and

903
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:50,320
hopefully it's. Hopefully it's different.

904
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: I'll think I know it. Have you seen big players

905
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,280
come in and misunderstand the product?

906
00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 2: You know a lot of these big players you talk

907
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:07,400
about big players on graham and An Island, there's probably

908
00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:10,719
hopefully I don't misspeak here, but I would say there's

909
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:15,960
probably around seven or eight different big buyers on the island.

910
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:19,039
I have a lot of respect for them, you know,

911
00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:21,639
I do a lot of business with some of them

912
00:59:21,679 --> 00:59:24,320
as well. You know, a lot of these guys they

913
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:29,440
originate from the island, and they come from generations of harvesters.

914
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,199
Their father, their grandfather are harvested and you know, their

915
00:59:33,239 --> 00:59:38,360
grandfather might have used oars and now we use you know,

916
00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:41,960
small outboard motors. You know. But a lot of these

917
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,880
guys are salt the earth kinds of people, and they

918
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,559
were raised well and they're just looking to provide for

919
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:51,079
their family, like myself. But yeah, they have respect for

920
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:54,320
the land. You know, they're third and fourth generational harvesters

921
00:59:55,519 --> 00:59:57,920
and they're all good guys to deal with, they really are.

922
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,760
But you know, there's definitely competitive side do it too,

923
01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:03,960
you know, and you're always you know, you can't help

924
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,920
but looking to see, you know, what they're up to.

925
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,119
But I feel like I've got, you know, enough ideas

926
01:00:10,159 --> 01:00:12,719
inside of me how I want to see, you know,

927
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,719
my brand move forward. I just try to focus on,

928
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,599
you know, what I'm doing. But a lot of the

929
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:21,480
guys here are are really good guys.

930
01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: You know.

931
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 2: There's there's people from the states, from Maine that have

932
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:30,199
ownership and different companies or different stakes down here on

933
01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:33,280
Graham and Ann. But yeah, they're all they're all good

934
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,239
to deal with. They're all good people, and it makes

935
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,320
that much it makes it that much easier to go

936
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,280
out in the shore line and and you know, just

937
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:41,719
get along with everybody, right.

938
01:00:43,559 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the right way to eat dolls? In your

939
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:52,800
remain on what are people getting wrong? Perhaps?

940
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 3: Mmmm?

941
01:00:54,519 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you there are numerous ways to eat dolls.

942
01:00:58,599 --> 01:01:00,880
I mentioned earlier about how you can fry it on

943
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,760
your stove, which probably is something that was more more

944
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:09,119
well known or seen, you know, sixty seventy years ago,

945
01:01:09,159 --> 01:01:12,599
when more people had wood stoves, but wood stoves are

946
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:14,679
actually a big thing on Grammin and even today just

947
01:01:14,719 --> 01:01:21,039
because the houses are so old. But yeah, you can.

948
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:24,159
You can cook it over the stove. Yeah, you can

949
01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:27,719
grind it up into flakes. You can. You could have

950
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,599
it even in the smallest form like powder or flour,

951
01:01:32,639 --> 01:01:35,119
and you could sprinkle it on your salad and it

952
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:37,719
could be snacked. It could be snacked, you know, along

953
01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:40,079
with the beer. Like I said, so, there are so

954
01:01:40,199 --> 01:01:43,559
many ways to use it. There's no right way. People

955
01:01:43,639 --> 01:01:48,880
just have their preferences and it's it's always interesting to see,

956
01:01:49,519 --> 01:01:51,840
you know, how they use it. But I would say

957
01:01:52,039 --> 01:01:57,159
generally it's it's eaten as whole leaf, and that means

958
01:01:57,159 --> 01:02:00,559
there's nothing it's not grinded up at all, just eating

959
01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:02,920
the way it was dried.

960
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:12,039
Speaker 1: Great. Just say we haunted uh or I handed those

961
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:16,199
to a top chef. What would you expect them to

962
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:16,800
do with it?

963
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 2: Hmm. That's a great question. And you know, I have

964
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:23,760
some friends who are chefs, and I think that that

965
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,880
might even that might even make them think too, because

966
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:31,440
I don't think that dolls is used in Michelin Star restaurants,

967
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,239
like maybe other seaweeds are like maybe you see sea

968
01:02:34,239 --> 01:02:38,519
truffle the way that's used. So I think there's maybe

969
01:02:39,159 --> 01:02:41,400
ways that haven't been discovered yet on how you can

970
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:47,400
use dolls in cuisine. But I think, you know, it

971
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,360
can be used in soups and things like that, especially

972
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,519
when it's when it's ground up. But that's a really

973
01:02:53,559 --> 01:02:56,360
good question and that's something that I'm going to have

974
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,039
to look into.

975
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:03,519
Speaker 1: Believe it or Laurens. There's are one of the well

976
01:03:03,519 --> 01:03:07,840
it's reputation though as one of the top restaurants in Scotland,

977
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:15,239
and it's name Dulls no kidding, yep. Now I've never

978
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,400
been there, so I don't know if their use of

979
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:23,320
that Dulls, but I'm certainly hoping to be there and

980
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:30,039
talking to them. I hope it's not just a word

981
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:35,920
that sounded good. It's a seafood restaurant. Yeah, yeah, it

982
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,320
gets great reviews.

983
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. That's interesting. I'd love to see their menu.

984
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,760
I get the sense that, yeah, like you said, seafood

985
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:48,639
and I'm sure they implement a lot of seaweed in

986
01:03:48,719 --> 01:03:51,880
different ways into their menu. Maybe they use use it

987
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,199
for broths and soups and stuff like that. But man,

988
01:03:54,239 --> 01:03:55,360
I would love to get a hold of one of

989
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,119
their menus. That sounds really good.

990
01:03:57,679 --> 01:04:00,559
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure you it'll be online. Dulce is a

991
01:04:00,639 --> 01:04:01,519
name in the restaurant.

992
01:04:03,199 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 2: Hm. Hm, that's delicious. And this is interesting too. You

993
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,440
know you mentioned early in the conversation that dulce is

994
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,400
something that you could find around uh, you know, around

995
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,079
Scotland and some of those areas. I had no idea.

996
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,639
I didn't know that's something that you would find in

997
01:04:17,639 --> 01:04:20,079
that part of the world. But it makes sense. I

998
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:23,360
can see. I can see ecosystems being similar to what

999
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,719
they are here that cold water, and I think that's

1000
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,440
when seaweeds like dolphs excel the most when they're in

1001
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:31,719
those cold conditions.

1002
01:04:33,639 --> 01:04:39,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, mm hmm. Could can dulse ever become a staple

1003
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,840
food or well? It always set on the edge.

1004
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,159
Speaker 2: I hope it becomes a staple food. But because it's

1005
01:04:48,159 --> 01:04:51,840
got such a unique taste, that's a good question. You know,

1006
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,199
if you asked my wife that, I think she would say,

1007
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,599
uh no, because she's she's not somebody who really favors

1008
01:04:59,639 --> 01:05:04,159
seaweed eat and seafood. But I hope it's something you know,

1009
01:05:04,199 --> 01:05:08,639
not just enjoyed by locals, but also by Taurus. And

1010
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:10,920
you know, people who live in the more urban areas,

1011
01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:15,679
they don't have a history with it, you know, So

1012
01:05:16,519 --> 01:05:19,239
it really is a cultural thing here and if it's

1013
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,639
something you're trying for the first time, it might take

1014
01:05:21,679 --> 01:05:23,320
you a while to really get warmed up to it.

1015
01:05:24,519 --> 01:05:26,880
But I would love to see it become more of

1016
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,239
a staple. I mean, it is big in the Maritimes,

1017
01:05:29,239 --> 01:05:32,840
but more in places like New Brunswick and Nova Scotia.

1018
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,719
If you went to Newfoundland or Prince Edward Island, maybe

1019
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:43,239
not as much, but it's it's definitely part part of

1020
01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:44,960
the culture here in New Brunswick for sure.

1021
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:53,519
Speaker 1: You know, it makes me think how strange things are. Lordless,

1022
01:05:53,719 --> 01:05:57,320
we're I'm asking you a question like that and you're

1023
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:02,199
not show it. But when you think back to a

1024
01:06:02,199 --> 01:06:07,840
previous question and you're and you're you're saying about all

1025
01:06:08,039 --> 01:06:15,719
the vital or nutrients that that are you get by

1026
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:22,760
eating it? M hm, calciums and magnesium, my goodness there

1027
01:06:24,239 --> 01:06:25,960
all its essential for us.

1028
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 2: To absolutely absolutely yeah, I know, there's no question. It's

1029
01:06:32,039 --> 01:06:36,719
it's so nutrient dense and it's we touched on it earlier.

1030
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:41,079
It's a superfood and you know, there's there's just so

1031
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:42,320
many ways that can be used.

1032
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: And do you would you we are this one? I

1033
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:51,440
often feel just in general, not yeah, very much about seaweed,

1034
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:56,559
but amos Hian types and that. But when we talk

1035
01:06:56,639 --> 01:07:01,440
about that, I don't know whether maybe like a culture

1036
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:07,679
and we're saying will it become, but it would almost

1037
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:13,320
all be going back to what where we were because

1038
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:19,440
it was a very important ingredient for our well, when

1039
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:23,760
I go back to my grandparents and parents, it was

1040
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,280
really really important.

1041
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 2: Definitely definitely, Yeah. I mean for years, for years, it's

1042
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:36,880
been important. And it's interesting that even in other cultures

1043
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:38,960
it was a big part of their diet, you know,

1044
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:46,239
European cultures and indigenous cultures, and now even today, you know,

1045
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:50,320
twenty first century, it's almost like it's making a comeback,

1046
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:54,400
you know, and it's becoming more well known and I'd

1047
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:58,079
love to see that. It's just so unique.

1048
01:07:59,199 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Would you encourage young people to build a business

1049
01:08:04,599 --> 01:08:10,000
around dolls today as a market big enough? Do you feel, h.

1050
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 2: I would encourage young people to build a business, uh,

1051
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,800
you know, but I would encourage him to build build

1052
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,359
it around something that they're passionate about, you know, and

1053
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,399
you know, as you're asking that question, there's a good

1054
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,279
friend of mine that comes to mind, somebody who have

1055
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,079
you know, been fortunate to travel the world with. And

1056
01:08:31,159 --> 01:08:34,399
you know, nearly twenty years ago, myself and this friend

1057
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:39,159
we went to Australia and you know, we we got

1058
01:08:39,159 --> 01:08:43,600
to have some experiences overseas and he discovered a real

1059
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:48,520
keen interest in water sports, particularly in surfing, and now

1060
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,920
he runs you know, one of the most successful surf

1061
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,960
schools in Eastern Canada. So with that said, I would

1062
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,359
say that, you know, if you have the ambition, it's

1063
01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:59,600
it's heard being an entrepreneur, there's so many challenges. But

1064
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:03,079
you know, if you have that ambition, you know, certainly

1065
01:09:03,119 --> 01:09:06,479
start a business that's related to something you're passionate about.

1066
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:08,560
And for a lot of people that's not going to

1067
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:15,039
be seaweed, you know. But yeah, there's there's definitely a

1068
01:09:15,119 --> 01:09:21,039
need for for more promotion for for seafood and seaweed,

1069
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:25,319
and but on top of that, the importance of sustainability

1070
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:29,840
is is huge too. So but there's definitely, you know,

1071
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,560
there's a lot of hustle related to to starting a

1072
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:36,800
business with something like seafood and seaweed. It's it's a

1073
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:42,680
it's a niche market, but there's definitely there's definitely a

1074
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:43,720
business for it for sure.

1075
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

1076
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 2: That.

1077
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see where is the DULs industry in ten

1078
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,079
years would it be? Do you think it would be bigger,

1079
01:09:57,199 --> 01:09:59,920
better or maybe struggling or.

1080
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:05,520
Speaker 2: I think, you know, by God's grace, it's flourishing. As

1081
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:09,600
the environment is constantly changing, It's so hard to anticipate

1082
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:13,760
these things. But I'd like to think that dulcing will

1083
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,439
be as fruitful now, you know, a decade from now

1084
01:10:17,279 --> 01:10:19,720
than it was in the nineteen seventies and eighties. And

1085
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:25,600
I'm somebody who tends to be optimistic about things, but yeah,

1086
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:29,760
I can see hopefully this is something that's sustainable and

1087
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,279
it's it's, like I said, just as big as it

1088
01:10:32,399 --> 01:10:35,960
was forty years ago. Because I think it's it's important

1089
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,520
now people are I think people are more health conscious

1090
01:10:39,079 --> 01:10:41,319
and they're thinking about, you know, how can I incorporate

1091
01:10:41,359 --> 01:10:44,000
things into my diet. You know, that's going to taste

1092
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,359
first and foremost is it going to taste good? You know?

1093
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,800
But also how's it going to benefit me? How's it

1094
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:54,079
going to help me with my health? And you know,

1095
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,760
so I'd love to see it continue to flourish, you know,

1096
01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:59,920
a decade from now. But we'll see how that goes.

1097
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 1: Great, great, yes, of course. I mean we're talking about

1098
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,760
I'm asking the question. I'm even thinking about my own question.

1099
01:11:09,319 --> 01:11:11,560
I'm asking you what's going to be like in ten years.

1100
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:16,239
Here's me asking that when it's been going on for

1101
01:11:16,399 --> 01:11:18,199
hundreds of years, it's.

1102
01:11:18,039 --> 01:11:22,560
Speaker 2: Been you definitely, definitely, yes, Yeah, Yeah, it's got it's

1103
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:28,359
it's so rich in history, you know, and and it's

1104
01:11:28,399 --> 01:11:33,199
been a big part of you know, of of individual's

1105
01:11:33,239 --> 01:11:36,640
diet for that for a long time. So yeah, hopefully

1106
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,199
that continues to be the case years from now.

1107
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:44,079
Speaker 1: Is there anything you feel needs to change for it

1108
01:11:44,199 --> 01:11:50,840
to be taken series in mainland food culture, mainstreams food culture.

1109
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 2: I think people, you know, they just need to give

1110
01:11:54,039 --> 01:11:57,119
it a chance. And even if it's the flavor profile

1111
01:11:57,159 --> 01:12:02,199
that might deter somebody because it's not something you're accustomed to,

1112
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,239
it's it's it's interesting to me, this boggles me. There's

1113
01:12:05,239 --> 01:12:09,479
people in the Maritimes that have never tried dulse before,

1114
01:12:10,079 --> 01:12:13,119
and but I think if you learn how to pair

1115
01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:16,359
it with something that that you enjoy, the flavor and

1116
01:12:16,399 --> 01:12:19,560
like I said, if that's a beer or or if

1117
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:23,079
you have eggs in the morning, then yeah, no, just

1118
01:12:23,159 --> 01:12:25,159
learn learn to pair it with something that you enjoy

1119
01:12:25,319 --> 01:12:29,399
and maybe you'll you'll get used to flavor profile and

1120
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,640
it'll become something that's part of your diet.

1121
01:12:33,399 --> 01:12:42,520
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you know from a chef in experiences, anybody

1122
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:47,119
that asks me for advice on who to just say

1123
01:12:47,159 --> 01:12:52,880
a lobster, grab any shellfish or the like, and I would,

1124
01:12:53,239 --> 01:12:57,520
I always say, look, goes close as you can to

1125
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:05,000
the environment that they've come from. Peribly, every days says

1126
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:10,279
I would use seawater before I would start adding salt

1127
01:13:11,159 --> 01:13:15,680
water in the top, and I said, use seaweed or

1128
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:19,880
anything like that. Even better still mm hmmm mm hm.

1129
01:13:21,359 --> 01:13:24,119
Are you for that that just keep everything to the

1130
01:13:25,039 --> 01:13:31,119
environment that it's been growing, brought happened.

1131
01:13:32,399 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 2: Definitely. Definitely it's important that you know to to eat

1132
01:13:37,079 --> 01:13:40,239
things that aren't processed right. And uh, you know, it's

1133
01:13:40,279 --> 01:13:45,000
funny people who who eat lobster down here, they will

1134
01:13:45,079 --> 01:13:48,680
often boil their lobster in salt water, you know, rather

1135
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:52,720
than adding salt to the water. And yeah, the closer

1136
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:57,319
you get to to you know, farming and seafood and

1137
01:13:57,399 --> 01:13:59,039
things like that. You know, it's it's only going to

1138
01:13:59,079 --> 01:14:02,560
benefit you, you know, and I'd love to see more

1139
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,880
of that, you know, eating eating local. It's it's so

1140
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:10,119
important and I think it's becoming bigger now than it

1141
01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:11,680
ever has been. And I think a big reason for

1142
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:15,039
that is social media, you know, people promoting things and

1143
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,880
but yeah, supporting local businesses. I can't I can't be

1144
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,359
more of an advocate for that for sure, Lauren.

1145
01:14:23,039 --> 01:14:29,079
Speaker 1: What does Dulce mean to you personally beyond business apart

1146
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:33,520
from the very name you've been given, The Adults Man,

1147
01:14:36,279 --> 01:14:36,880
right right?

1148
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 2: Oh man? Uh yeah, so, I uh, there's definitely a

1149
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:46,439
lot of pride for sure. First of all, pride for

1150
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,479
coming from a place like Graham and Ann Island. It's

1151
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:55,479
just got there's so much beauty here, and you know,

1152
01:14:56,079 --> 01:15:00,680
and Dulce is synonymous with Graham and Ann and you know,

1153
01:15:01,039 --> 01:15:04,399
so I think not forgetting your roots. It's so important,

1154
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,800
you know, to not forget where you came from. And

1155
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,000
you know, I'm proud of of of what I've done

1156
01:15:11,079 --> 01:15:16,079
so far. And you know, hopefully this brand, the Dults Man,

1157
01:15:16,079 --> 01:15:20,199
hopefully this continues to grow and become something that you know,

1158
01:15:20,279 --> 01:15:24,840
maybe you're able to pass down generations from now, but yeah,

1159
01:15:25,159 --> 01:15:28,199
certainly proud of it and and how it's grown over

1160
01:15:28,199 --> 01:15:32,439
the last couple of years. I really appreciate. There's a

1161
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,199
lot of people that I could give credit to, you know,

1162
01:15:34,319 --> 01:15:36,600
different friends who have helped me and encouraged me along

1163
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:40,720
the way. But yeah, just an incredible amount of pride,

1164
01:15:41,039 --> 01:15:43,319
you know, and even though it's just a side hustle

1165
01:15:43,399 --> 01:15:45,800
for me, it's something that you know, I enjoy and

1166
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:48,960
you know, I've got this hat that I wear sometimes

1167
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,520
it's got salt stains on it, but it's a little

1168
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,720
logo of me in a dory the DULs Man, and

1169
01:15:56,079 --> 01:16:00,319
you know it's awesome. Yeah, my wife says the hatsmells

1170
01:16:00,399 --> 01:16:03,039
like salt and anyway, but I know I wear it

1171
01:16:03,159 --> 01:16:05,640
and I love it, and so certainly proud of the

1172
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:11,000
brand and definitely want to continue to ride the momentum

1173
01:16:11,039 --> 01:16:12,439
that I've had over the last couple of years.

1174
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:18,079
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. Well, honestly, I think you've ever any reason

1175
01:16:18,199 --> 01:16:21,720
to be proud of what you've done, and I think

1176
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,399
credit to you as well. It's such a good, healthy

1177
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:31,640
life you're living, and you know physically what you're doing

1178
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:36,399
with your head's in a good place and doing something

1179
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,680
that you're passionate about that's important as well.

1180
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:44,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, yeah. I would say, you know, the quality

1181
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,920
of life down here. People who work around the water,

1182
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,840
you know, and they're being active. You know, it's just

1183
01:16:51,239 --> 01:16:53,680
it really speaks volumes and I think there's so many

1184
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:58,239
benefits to it, you know, so it's it's definitely it

1185
01:16:58,399 --> 01:17:01,319
has been a good place in life mentally, you know,

1186
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:05,000
being around smelling that salt water, and you know, I

1187
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,600
I talked about how some of the most famous dolls

1188
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:12,359
in the world comes from that western coastline of graham

1189
01:17:12,359 --> 01:17:15,920
and An island that that face is Maine, And you know,

1190
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:17,880
when you're out there sometimes you you kind of get

1191
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:19,680
these vibes like you're in Jurassic Park.

1192
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:20,039
Speaker 1: You know.

1193
01:17:20,199 --> 01:17:25,399
Speaker 2: It's there's cliffs, there's there's sea life, there's seals, and

1194
01:17:26,199 --> 01:17:29,359
it's just it's such an epic, epic scenery that you're

1195
01:17:29,399 --> 01:17:34,119
surrounded by, and that really adds to the experience. And uh,

1196
01:17:34,359 --> 01:17:37,119
you know, really fortunate to be able to enjoy this

1197
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:38,520
in the season of life.

1198
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,520
Speaker 1: With talking to you and going through the things that

1199
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:50,079
we've talked about, I'm actually starting to feel now myself.

1200
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,760
Oh maybe, although I've never thought a lot the boot it.

1201
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,319
I've been a pretty good life.

1202
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,159
Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely. Yeah. And you you you understand you can

1203
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:02,079
empathize with a lot of what I'm saying too, because

1204
01:18:02,119 --> 01:18:04,439
you you grew up around the water and a lot

1205
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:08,640
of your memories are are you know, they take place

1206
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,319
around the water. And you mentioned what your dad fishing

1207
01:18:11,399 --> 01:18:14,800
and working in the restaurant industry and you understand do

1208
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:19,199
you understand the hurdles and the sacrifices and the risks

1209
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:24,279
and uh, you know, but certainly it's it's it's a

1210
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:25,840
it's a good place to be in in life, to

1211
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:31,319
be on the coast. I love it and it's it's special.

1212
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 1: Well, if you were open for advice, my advice to

1213
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:40,880
you would be, don't change one thing you're doing.

1214
01:18:42,319 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Jim. I appreciate that, man, and I'll

1215
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:46,520
take your advice.

1216
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:51,159
Speaker 1: I good idea. Lord, Where can our listeners follow you

1217
01:18:51,279 --> 01:18:54,319
on lane? Then your social media presence?

1218
01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah. So I'm on Instagram as the Dults man,

1219
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:05,279
and also on Facebook and that's really where I you know,

1220
01:19:05,399 --> 01:19:07,920
deal with a lot of orders is Instagram at Facebook.

1221
01:19:09,079 --> 01:19:13,479
So yeah, you can definitely communicate with me through those platforms,

1222
01:19:14,079 --> 01:19:17,600
and I'm pretty receptive. I'm pretty quick to respond and

1223
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:22,439
or by email as well, which is Lauren my first

1224
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:26,359
name l O R n E. J w H at

1225
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:31,720
gmail dot com. And you know, if there's different viewers

1226
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,680
out there that have questions about Seaweed or DLS in particular,

1227
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,960
or inquiries, I would love to hear from you, So

1228
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,640
definitely reach out and would love to share with you

1229
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:45,840
a little bit, a little bit about my knowledge for

1230
01:19:46,119 --> 01:19:46,760
for the product.

1231
01:19:49,319 --> 01:19:52,039
Speaker 1: All sounds fantastic, and I have to say it to

1232
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:57,000
Lauren j w H. I've got this feeling it's not

1233
01:19:57,239 --> 01:19:59,039
the last time we're going to talk together.

1234
01:20:00,079 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 2: I hope not, Jim and you know, on that thought too,

1235
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,319
I would love to send you a bag of world

1236
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,920
famous Gramma and douls from the Dolls Man. So after

1237
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,199
we're done with this episode, I need you to send

1238
01:20:11,279 --> 01:20:13,720
me your mailing address and I want to send you

1239
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:17,000
and I want to know as far as flavor profile

1240
01:20:17,279 --> 01:20:21,399
and aesthetically how different the douls is here from what

1241
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:24,000
you're used to growing up on. And I want, honest,

1242
01:20:24,039 --> 01:20:25,520
I know it's going to be hard for you because

1243
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,079
I know there's a bias there, but I want to

1244
01:20:27,159 --> 01:20:29,680
know how different it is than what the dolls you're

1245
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:31,840
used to. So I'm going to send you a bag

1246
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:32,680
on the house.

1247
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:41,119
Speaker 1: Well, students, I feel a little bit guilty from the

1248
01:20:41,199 --> 01:20:45,560
point of view you would have maybe a different way

1249
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:49,359
of seeing this. But what we see in the UK

1250
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:51,520
was do you do not feel it would be like

1251
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:57,199
selling cool to Newcastle? You know, we would talk about

1252
01:20:57,479 --> 01:20:59,800
putting cools us talking a.

1253
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:04,319
Speaker 3: Bit call to some an area that was minding their

1254
01:21:04,359 --> 01:21:09,720
own coal, right, right, So but I love the challenge

1255
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:14,680
that you're you're actually I'm right and saying you're sending

1256
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,239
it to me because you think yours is better.

1257
01:21:19,399 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 2: Actually, respectfully, I do, but to be the judge though.

1258
01:21:25,239 --> 01:21:27,279
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I love it so

1259
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:30,800
thank you so much. Lord. We'll foold up with that

1260
01:21:31,039 --> 01:21:35,000
and really enjoyed it. And as I said, no bullshit,

1261
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:39,479
I do feel we have a lot to do in

1262
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:43,399
the future and a lot to talk about. A lot

1263
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:47,199
of guys are telling you about the famb than the

1264
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:52,199
why the vinegar and stuff like that. Put you in touch. No,

1265
01:21:52,359 --> 01:21:56,880
I think it's been fantastic. Thank you so much, the best.

1266
01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:58,000
Thank you