WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.839 You see somethings going to happen? 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:09.759 What? 3 00:00:09.759 --> 00:00:10.599 What's going to happen? 4 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:13.000 One? 5 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:28.640 What help? Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode, we 6 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:31.960 got a returning guest, very very excited to get Heather 7 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:34.479 Arnold back on again. Another fellow New Yorkers. So it's 8 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:36.640 always nice to have one of them on. But before 9 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:39.079 we introduce her, we will introduce her the other rejects 10 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:42.640 joining us today. We got my man, the Headless Giant? 11 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:43.840 What is going on? Sir? 12 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:47.799 How you doing tonight? Would be a mail bag, but 13 00:00:48.079 --> 00:00:51.640 it's an honor to have Heather Heather Arnold back on 14 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:53.840 the first one blew my mind. I can't wait for 15 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:57.240 this one. But thank you so much. Check me out 16 00:00:57.280 --> 00:01:01.079 on Sundays with Ricardo and Ethan Well, I'll be doing 17 00:01:01.119 --> 00:01:05.760 another edition of the Trialogus and that'll be great. Check 18 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:06.000 it out. 19 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:09.359 Definitely check that out and definitely send this man if 20 00:01:09.359 --> 00:01:12.400 you got any stories please, Thank you very much, sir. 21 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:16.480 And we got Jin the Ninja. What is going on? Fred? 22 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:18.439 What is going on with us? Thank you so much 23 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:22.120 for having me Headless? Ricardo and of course Heather, thank you. 24 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:26.000 I'm this is not my usual topic, but I think 25 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:28.480 Nick threw me and us a wild card, so appreciate that. 26 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:28.760 Nick. 27 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:32.640 If you want to check me out, you can follow 28 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:35.799 my show on Twitter or ex Twitter or ig at 29 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:38.640 Threshold Saints or my personal account at Wukomrie Born to 30 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:41.719 be Uko and g Reborn. My next episode will be 31 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:46.599 with J. David Osborne. Yes all lit Twitter bad Boy, 32 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:49.719 and so we had a really interesting discussion about magic. 33 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:54.280 And of course tomorrow is Gray Lodge Space, So myself 34 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:57.040 and the Branch and several others we're missing a couple down, 35 00:01:57.079 --> 00:02:00.159 a few homies, but we're gonna keep it going anyway, 36 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:03.200 and so myself in the Branch will be talking about 37 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:04.599 corpse culture. 38 00:02:04.799 --> 00:02:08.280 So if you're at that, come on nice And did 39 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:09.520 you know Toby episode drop? 40 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:14.639 Toby did drop? Yes, thank you, Nick, Strange Angles episodes 41 00:02:14.919 --> 00:02:16.159 need very cool. 42 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:19.800 Check it out so much at the ceiling fan all right, 43 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:23.080 so thank you? All right, Riccardo, what is going on? 44 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:23.319 Man? 45 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:25.599 I'm very excited to get you on with Heather. This 46 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:29.759 is exciting. Please let everybody know what do you deal 47 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:30.360 is and everything? 48 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:34.360 Sure, So my tag on X is as it is 49 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:37.000 on the screen, So it's at three cut cavary one 50 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:41.280 at X. I want to plug in the Institute for 51 00:02:41.319 --> 00:02:44.360 Natural Philosophy that you can find at Institute for Philosophy 52 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:47.639 dot org. You have a magazine that is free there 53 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:50.000 to watch and download. I want to plug in the 54 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:54.400 Universe and Veiled podcast where we have our girls doing 55 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:59.560 great work interviewing interesting people. Uh and my books start 56 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:02.960 us The Residents that you can find at Amazon by 57 00:03:03.039 --> 00:03:04.639 that night. So thank you very much. 58 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:04.919 Nick. 59 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:08.680 Excited to hear from Heather, and it's always a pleasure 60 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:10.560 to be with Jim Headless and yourself. 61 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:14.039 Thank you, Oh, thank you sir, And definitely go check 62 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:16.599 out his institute and definitely go check out that podcast. 63 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:19.280 Those those two women have some pretty cool chicks and 64 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:21.639 they've had some really good guests on so go check 65 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:26.159 it out. And Heather, finally, unfortunately the connection issues. We 66 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:28.680 can't see your amazing, beautiful face, but we'll get to 67 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:32.000 hear your voice, so please let everybody know what are 68 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:32.280 you doing? 69 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:33.199 Sorry about that. 70 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:38.039 Yes, this is Heather Arnold. I'm Heather l Arnold on 71 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:40.120 X and I want to thank you so much for 72 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:43.000 inviting me back. I had such a good time last time, 73 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.680 so I was looking forward to this evening. My apologies 74 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:50.639 for the strange issues with connections. Not the first time 75 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:53.319 this has happened. I don't know if it's the ghost 76 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:57.800 of the Giants or what, but very strange things often 77 00:03:57.879 --> 00:03:59.479 happen with these podcasts. 78 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:03.000 But yeah, I'm looking forward to speaking about the giants. 79 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:07.159 So today is a good day for a giantologist because 80 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:11.319 we are hopefully on the path to auditing the Smithsonian. 81 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:15.159 So that's very exciting news for all of us. 82 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:22.519 Who have been barraged and berated with quote unquote archaeologists, 83 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:26.639 pseudo archaeologists, pseudo anthropologists asking us. 84 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:28.480 Where are the bones? Where are the bones? Where are 85 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:29.079 the bones? 86 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:32.879 And now maybe we can finally figure out where the 87 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:36.160 bones are. If you go to my ex account, you'll 88 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:40.439 see I reposted a great article at Esquire magazine that 89 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:43.439 is written about a congress person who is pushing to 90 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:44.680 find the giant. 91 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:49.279 Bones in the Smithsonian. So this is really to me. 92 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:52.000 This is an exciting day. Never in my lifetime did 93 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:53.519 I think this was going to happen. 94 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:58.959 So I'm so excited and sadly, I believe the Smithsonian has. 95 00:04:58.839 --> 00:04:59.759 Sold the bones. 96 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:03.120 Uh, let's hope not. And let's see if we can 97 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:05.199 get to the bottom of this. 98 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:08.600 Let's see. I don't know. This might be a harder 99 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:10.920 not to crack than the Epstein files. I don't know. 100 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:14.839 I'm nervous, but I'm cautiously optimistic. 101 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:18.079 Well, well, do the Epstein files exist this week? I'm 102 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:20.480 not sure. I don't. I don't remember. 103 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:24.800 I think they're on someone's desk or something. 104 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:28.519 But uh, you ever follow? 105 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:29.480 Go ahead, go ahead. 106 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:31.879 I hardly ever follow the news, but I saw that 107 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:35.160 one because those headlines were everywhere. The media was up 108 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:38.560 at arms, how dare you try it? Audit the Smithsonian? 109 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:41.800 As soon as Trump mentioned anything about it, they were nuts. 110 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:45.560 They're like, don't you dare We've got everything under control. 111 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:50.360 Don't look over here. But are you really very vain? 112 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:55.160 How are you really expecting something to come out of it? 113 00:05:58.639 --> 00:05:59.120 I don't know. 114 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:03.319 I mean I hope, so, I don't know. There are 115 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:06.120 a lot of prominent congress people who are pushing for it. 116 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:08.800 Doesn't mean anything will come of it. But you know 117 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:11.360 the problem with the Smithsonian, and I posted this also 118 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:16.360 on my account, is that they are pentacles run deep 119 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:20.800 and wide. For example, the Archaeology Museum here, which is 120 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:24.079 one covering up information. I know because I've been in 121 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:27.079 their basement and the head of the museum is my 122 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:34.360 ex boyfriend. They are this sister museum to the Smithsonian. 123 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:38.639 So the Smithsonian finance the archaeology museum here on a 124 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:39.759 little island off. 125 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:40.920 The coast of South America. 126 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:43.879 Why would the Smithsonian be so wrapped up with an 127 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:48.920 archaeology museum off the coast of South America. I mean, 128 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:51.240 it just doesn't make any sense. But they are this 129 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:56.720 sister museum and also received an extensive amount of financing 130 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:01.000 for a building of the museum, as well as acquiring 131 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:03.199 the collections and setting up the collections. 132 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:09.199 So I think there's a connection between the two. And yeah, 133 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:10.399 and so even if. 134 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:14.680 You dig deep deeply within the Smithsonian, there are so 135 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:19.639 many hundreds, if not maybe even thousands of museums worldwide 136 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:23.720 that were built up from the Smithsonian and are playing 137 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:28.920 the same games. So they really they're an insidious network. 138 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:32.480 And I at least people are talking about it. And 139 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:36.079 it's not a quote unquote conspiracy theory. It's actually people 140 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:42.360 putting things into action and writing strongly worded letters and 141 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:46.439 seeing the people of the Smithsonian up in arms is wonderful. 142 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:54.079 I also heard that there is talk of perhaps firing. 143 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:57.800 The entire board of the Smithsonian, because really that's what 144 00:07:57.839 --> 00:07:58.399 you have to do. 145 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:00.439 The corruption runs so deep there. 146 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:03.519 You can't keep the same people at the Smithsonian and 147 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:06.959 have an audit expect everything to be different. It's not 148 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:09.399 going to be different if we keep the same people. 149 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:11.360 And we're certainly not going to get to the bottom 150 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:14.160 of anything if we keep the same people in charge. 151 00:08:14.920 --> 00:08:18.439 Sure, but I see it as a vast, vast network, 152 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:22.800 like a vast network of roots from a gigantic tree 153 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:26.759 that you can plug one without bringing everything out. So 154 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:29.879 because for instance, Nick is going to have a guest 155 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:35.279 soon that is Prince of Barrows, and we've been dealing 156 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:38.919 with this non pigash thing and the findings and the testing, 157 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:41.679 and when they realize that the results of the testing 158 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:47.559 we're giving dates that contradict the narrative, they contacted the Simsonian. 159 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:51.440 They contacted another archaeologists. They kept him waiting, They didn't 160 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:55.039 show him these emails nor their replies, and they just said, oh, 161 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:58.639 we can test them that the results are negative. They 162 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:01.399 are not sensitive to the test that you require, so 163 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:03.240 we cannot give you the debts. But the that's we 164 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:08.679 found show that they are post Columbus time so nothing 165 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:11.399 to see there, So it's one hundred years old. And 166 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:14.600 then we start reading the paper and the tests cannot 167 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:18.399 differentiate between a thousand and one hundred years old, so 168 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:20.720 they only put the one hundred when they should put 169 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:23.639 it could be a thousand or one hundred years old. 170 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:27.519 So this is a scheme that goes very levels, and 171 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:30.960 they talked with one another in order to don't contradict anyone. 172 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:36.200 So I'm not sure if plugging a head out will 173 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:39.600 do anything to the system, because it's like a vast 174 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:42.840 network of roots. It's very difficult that screwed up. 175 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:45.559 Yeah, I think the key is the funding. 176 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:49.279 You know, cutting off the funding is or limiting the 177 00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:53.759 funding really will start to dry up some of these 178 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:57.840 people who have been maintaining this narrative for lord knows 179 00:09:57.840 --> 00:09:58.320 how long. 180 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:01.120 And also you have to about academia. 181 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:04.559 Academia and the Smithsonian go hand in hand, and so 182 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:08.320 you really have to root out all of the corruption 183 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:12.159 within academia, and that goes hand in hand with the Smithsonian. 184 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:17.480 The Smithsonian who's financed so many archaeological dig sites and 185 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:23.039 pulled funding for example, when the results didn't come across 186 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:26.080 exactly how they had wanted them to come. For example, 187 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:32.559 in Chaco Canyon, Richard Weatherhill, who is buried there, he 188 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:36.200 was given funding by the Museum of Natural History in 189 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:40.679 New York City to investigate the ancient people of Chaco Canyon. 190 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:44.519 And what he discovered is that they were cannibals, and 191 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:48.879 he had the evidence to show on the bones and 192 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:51.720 in the houses in the fire pits. And when he 193 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:55.559 gave that information to the museum, they pulled all of 194 00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:57.120 his funding because they. 195 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:00.759 Were trying at that time Arizona was in. 196 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:05.480 New Mexico, were just territories and they had to negotiate 197 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:09.279 the government with the Native American populations there, and they 198 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:12.120 didn't want the government did not want the Native American 199 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:17.600 populations to think that the Americans were categorizing them as cannibals, 200 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:20.960 so they pulled the funding right away, and Richard Weatherhill. 201 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:22.679 Ended up dying out in Choco Can. 202 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:27.200 Very disappointed because he was the first one to discover 203 00:11:27.399 --> 00:11:32.679 that always not peace and love at Chaco. And interestingly, 204 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:38.000 just about four years ago a more modern investigation occurred 205 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:41.759 where they did determine yes, and they were cannibals, and 206 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:45.679 they were very brutal in the way that they cannibalized people. 207 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:52.120 So yeah, so the narrative pushing is really that's the thing. 208 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:56.240 If we can just put this aside and stop worrying. 209 00:11:55.919 --> 00:12:00.399 About offending people and especially people who have been like, 210 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:04.039 you know, a thousand years, five thousand years. 211 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:07.399 And this brings me to an interesting point. 212 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:10.039 I was just in New York and I was at 213 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:14.320 a museum that is the Vanderbilt Museum and Planetarium, and 214 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:20.720 it is from Vanderbilt, the famous Vanderbilt family, the multi 215 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:25.600 which today they probably put multi trillionaires because they didn't 216 00:12:25.639 --> 00:12:29.519 pay taxes at that time. So there was this beautiful 217 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:33.559 estate on the Gold Coast of Long Island that upon 218 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:38.399 his death, I believe it was William K. Vanderbilt the second. 219 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:42.399 He was an explorer and went all over the world 220 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:49.519 and acquired all of these artifacts and different species of 221 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:53.600 animals and fish and just traveled the world. And he 222 00:12:53.720 --> 00:13:01.080 was an explorer essentially and an amateur archeologists in a sense, 223 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:06.559 an anthropologists. And he gave the museum over to the 224 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:10.080 county Suffolk County, New York. And so my daughter and 225 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:15.879 I went there and excuse me, excuse me. So we 226 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:19.360 went there and they used to have these shrunken heads 227 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:22.679 on display. So when we went to the museum, they're 228 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:26.320 gone now, They've been taken out of the display. So 229 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:28.600 I went to the head of the museum and I asked, 230 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:32.600 what's going on? Why on earth are these are the 231 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:38.080 heads not here anymore? And they said, oh, well it was. 232 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:39.720 They were very I mean it may had been there 233 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:44.559 since the early nineteen hundreds, late maybe nineteen twenties. And 234 00:13:44.679 --> 00:13:47.840 they said, oh, you know, some people were offended by them. 235 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:51.440 And I said, well, what about the p Puvians who 236 00:13:51.480 --> 00:13:53.679 shrunk these heads? What do I mean are you even 237 00:13:53.679 --> 00:13:57.080 concerned if they're offended? I mean, these were gifted. This 238 00:13:57.159 --> 00:13:59.960 is not something. This has been here for a long time. 239 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:03.440 Who cares if people are offended? And so not only 240 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:06.519 were those drunken heads taken away, she told me they're 241 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:09.960 in the archive. Also a series of bones from a 242 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:14.159 cannibal feasts in the Society Islands. 243 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:17.000 That were gifted to Vanderbilt. They were taken out of display. 244 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:22.799 And the next victim may be an Egyptian mummy that 245 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:26.960 is actually on display that Vanderbilt, through the government of 246 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:31.039 the United States, actually President Harrison had the mummy shipped 247 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:33.960 over and would say his private collection and is now 248 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:34.440 in display. 249 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:37.480 She's actually a princess, and she. 250 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:39.559 Might be the next victim to go into the quote 251 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:44.360 unquote basement of the museum, which is so depressing. And 252 00:14:44.440 --> 00:14:48.200 thankfully I have been categorizing all the taking pictures as 253 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:50.399 much as possible in all the museums that I go 254 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:55.120 to as of proof of what these exhibits were and 255 00:14:55.159 --> 00:14:58.000 what was really here. And the scary part is people 256 00:14:58.159 --> 00:14:59.720 going to the museum right today. 257 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:01.519 I have no idea that these. 258 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:04.399 Things were on display that now we have a serenitized 259 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:08.399 version of the museum that appeals to all ages and 260 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:12.960 excuse me, and in place of some of these artifacts, 261 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:17.039 they have now put modern art displays, which is bizarre, 262 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:20.320 and that's a global occurrence that's happening. 263 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:24.440 Do you ever wonder if this sorry, go ahead recorder, 264 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:26.960 go go go, sorry, go go, that was just Sometimes 265 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:29.600 I have wondered if the whole pandering stuff is just 266 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:32.240 a reason to remove things to begin with, like that 267 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:34.679 was the whole reason it was ever brought up, like 268 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:37.840 you know, this is our excuse to start changing things, 269 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:41.320 you know. I wondered about that go ahead recording. 270 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:46.559 As I see, I think this is somewhat and extrumely 271 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:53.399 and in this case related to the infamous knac fra uh. 272 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:59.000 And what are you doing is they are eradicating from 273 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:02.720 from the new generations, all of this part of history, 274 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:07.879 so especially Indigenous peoples. They are trying to remove everything 275 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:11.440 from scene. They're taking books from libraries, they're taking books 276 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:15.840 from schools, universities. The images are disappearing from the internet. 277 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:18.279 You can see the description, but you can no longer 278 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:21.879 see the images because someone might get offended. The problem 279 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:24.480 is there is no one getting offended. This is all 280 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:28.279 an excuse to remove these people, to reopen the chasm 281 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:32.120 between what are Americans today and the Indigenous people. So 282 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:35.080 all the work that was brought to make them be 283 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:38.720 able to mingle one one another into two generations, A 284 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:41.600 child will not know when you reached adultsthood, it will 285 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:44.120 not know what an Indigenous people is because you've never 286 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:47.240 seen it. There's no presence in the museums, there's no 287 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:50.600 books about them, there is no history mentioned in the school, 288 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:54.759 there's nothing. So my question is, and I might be dramatizing, 289 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:58.120 is but how long will it take for America to 290 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:01.440 build a gaza wall and put all on the other side, 291 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:06.079 because they are completely eradicating them from memory of the 292 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:10.240 American people. They're creating this chasm between the two cultures. 293 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:13.480 That's the plan. It's not being people offended. No one's 294 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:17.839 getting offended. And I'm happy to sprun. 295 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:22.799 Up Magra too, because Natra is put now that people 296 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:25.960 starting to question Nagra. And I'm happy because this whole 297 00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:30.759 Smithsonian thing, even if nothing comes of it, which I'm 298 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:34.720 hopeful something will, that it has now spun off all 299 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:37.640 this other attention onto other ways. 300 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:39.160 That our history is being suppressed. 301 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:44.599 And Natra is a perfect example, and no example, nothing 302 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:48.480 exemplifies the problem with Nagra better in my opinion, than 303 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:53.359 the wind Oversite, the windover site in Florida, which is. 304 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:57.400 Probably tens of thousands years of years old, where. 305 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:00.960 People essentially they were buried underwater or in a bog 306 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:03.480 type situation as a matter of fact, very similar to 307 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:06.920 the burials that are here in Aruba, the ancient burials, 308 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:10.000 and because of the way they were buried, they were preserved. 309 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:16.119 DNA was extracted. But in the meantime the site was 310 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:21.200 given over to the Native American populations because because anything 311 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:23.799 older than a certain age that comes out of the 312 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:26.279 ground must be made Native American. And this is all 313 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:28.519 because of Bill Clinton and the law that he created, 314 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:31.680 I believe in nineteen ninety one one, so. 315 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:33.119 It's a new Ish law. 316 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:36.759 And so anyway, the DNA evidence showed that the people 317 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:40.119 were not Native American at all, had no Native American 318 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:45.400 blood at all, no DNA, but were actually closer to Asian, 319 00:18:46.920 --> 00:18:50.400 an Asian DNA genome rather than or. 320 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:51.359 Even closer to. 321 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:58.039 Like a Caucaus mountains that type of genome, but nothing 322 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:02.279 related to Native Americans. Which and so now this site 323 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:05.960 is closed. No one can do any more research. Everything's 324 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:10.240 done with the site. There's no even there's just a 325 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:13.599 tiny museum that just has a couple of plaques that 326 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:16.519 speak about what was at what is at the site. 327 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:21.480 No one knows where anything has gone, the artifacts, the burials, 328 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:26.319 or anything. My whole concern is, okay, aside from giving 329 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:29.359 everything to the Native Americans, I mean, I have tried 330 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:33.200 to do a business deal with Native American populations in 331 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:33.880 the States. 332 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:38.200 An excuse me. I had to meet with several Indian 333 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:39.799 chiefs essentially. 334 00:19:39.839 --> 00:19:42.960 And I met with five different chiefs of five different tribes, 335 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:49.160 and they showed up with like Rolex watches all this goal, 336 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:57.240 I mean, dressed beautifully like a python python belts, and 337 00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:00.480 I'm like, why these guys are loaded, you know? And 338 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:03.039 then it makes me think, because now I'm going down 339 00:20:03.079 --> 00:20:05.279 another rabbit hole that I hate to go down, but 340 00:20:05.359 --> 00:20:09.559 I must go down it. What is happening to these artifacts? 341 00:20:09.640 --> 00:20:13.480 Are they selling them? Is? Are these museums selling them? 342 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:16.799 Is the Smithsonian selling them? Are the Native Americans selling 343 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:19.319 the artifacts? I mean, this could be really blow the 344 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:23.720 lid off of a huge black market of selling these 345 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:27.319 eight ancient artifacts by all the people who have control 346 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:28.440 of the ancient artifacts. 347 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:32.039 That's an interesting idea. I never thought of them actually 348 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:36.440 selling it. I just fege like they're just fighting it. 349 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:39.240 But I mean, all right, go ahead, recall there was 350 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:40.759 something you said and I already lost my thought. 351 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:43.519 No, no, no, I I was just going to say 352 00:20:43.519 --> 00:20:47.240 that among the many, many tribes that exist in the 353 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:51.440 United States, some of them have casinos, and those that 354 00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:55.759 have casinos, they are completely loaded. Right. So I heard 355 00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:59.000 of people just because they live in an area where 356 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:02.240 that tribe has a casino, the guy gets forty thousand 357 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:07.559 a month a month, right, So that's the amount of 358 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:15.319 money that circulates, so I think that them selling artifacts. 359 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:17.880 Of course, there might be one or two that things 360 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:21.480 knows these collectors and this, VHS this, and that. There's 361 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:27.319 always corrupt people everywhere. But I think that the problem 362 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:31.599 in regard to the artifacts and the natives is most 363 00:21:31.640 --> 00:21:34.240 of them they don't belong to them, and they know 364 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:36.400 they don't belong to them, and those that belong they 365 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:39.519 were forced to be removed from the land and so 366 00:21:39.559 --> 00:21:43.079 they moved on, and so they don't consider it theirs anymore. 367 00:21:43.279 --> 00:21:47.559 They have not another belief, they have other totems to follow, 368 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:49.960 so they don't have a purpose for them. So the 369 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:52.599 state is forcing them to accept this, and they don't 370 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:54.319 want it because they don't have a place to put 371 00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:56.640 it or what to do with them, because they don't 372 00:21:56.640 --> 00:22:01.400 recognize them as their own. Again showing that all of 373 00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:03.599 this is in agenda that has nothing to do with 374 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:07.319 Indidia's peoples apart from eradicating their existence. 375 00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:11.160 Well, I'll just say in response to that, Ricardo, actually, 376 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:13.640 very near where you are right now, there are two 377 00:22:13.720 --> 00:22:20.480 trip A class facilities for holding archival materials on reservations. 378 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:24.519 So a lot of how this works is funding through 379 00:22:24.519 --> 00:22:31.480 the federal government and obviously, if you're earmarked massive infrastructure 380 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:35.720 money to get to build museums, to build like high 381 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:41.599 end you know, environmentally not environmentally same, but I'm talking 382 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:45.039 about for the artwork. It has to be environmentally controlled 383 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:47.960 and it has the people have to be trained up 384 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:50.359 to a certain level. Their archival skills have to be 385 00:22:50.680 --> 00:22:55.720 right obviously right. So they've actually done this thing where 386 00:22:55.720 --> 00:22:59.160 they've trained people, built these museums. They actually house very 387 00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:03.039 little and so I think this is a good question, 388 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:06.480 like what Heather is bringing up, Like I I agree 389 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:09.880 with you, Ricardo, they don't. They probably is not being sold. 390 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:13.960 But what happens is these large institutions have huge archives 391 00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:16.319 that are not properly cataloged. 392 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:19.200 Agree absolutely. 393 00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:21.559 You know, I've worked I've worked in one for the summer. 394 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:26.640 It's a you know, it's a it's it's it. They 395 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:29.119 don't really understand like what they have and a lot 396 00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:32.000 of the things are mislabeled. It's a lot more like 397 00:23:32.119 --> 00:23:37.880 bureaucratic disorganization than it is like necessarily a quote unquote conspiracy. 398 00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:41.039 But there is narrative control. And I think that both 399 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:43.640 of you are getting at that. It's like it's like 400 00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:49.200 the funding that is what is the ideological constrictor so 401 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:51.640