Speaker 1: You see somethings going to happen?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: What's going to happen?
Speaker 4: One?
Speaker 5: What help? Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode, we
Speaker 5: got a returning guest, very very excited to get Heather
Speaker 5: Arnold back on again. Another fellow New Yorkers. So it's
Speaker 5: always nice to have one of them on. But before
Speaker 5: we introduce her, we will introduce her the other rejects
Speaker 5: joining us today. We got my man, the Headless Giant?
Speaker 5: What is going on? Sir?
Speaker 2: How you doing tonight? Would be a mail bag, but
Speaker 2: it's an honor to have Heather Heather Arnold back on
Speaker 2: the first one blew my mind. I can't wait for
Speaker 2: this one. But thank you so much. Check me out
Speaker 2: on Sundays with Ricardo and Ethan Well, I'll be doing
Speaker 2: another edition of the Trialogus and that'll be great. Check
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 5: Definitely check that out and definitely send this man if
Speaker 5: you got any stories please, Thank you very much, sir.
Speaker 5: And we got Jin the Ninja. What is going on? Fred?
Speaker 3: What is going on with us? Thank you so much
Speaker 3: for having me Headless? Ricardo and of course Heather, thank you.
Speaker 3: I'm this is not my usual topic, but I think
Speaker 3: Nick threw me and us a wild card, so appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Nick.
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Speaker 3: be Uko and g Reborn. My next episode will be
Speaker 3: with J. David Osborne. Yes all lit Twitter bad Boy,
Speaker 3: and so we had a really interesting discussion about magic.
Speaker 3: And of course tomorrow is Gray Lodge Space, So myself
Speaker 3: and the Branch and several others we're missing a couple down,
Speaker 3: a few homies, but we're gonna keep it going anyway,
Speaker 3: and so myself in the Branch will be talking about
Speaker 3: corpse culture.
Speaker 5: So if you're at that, come on nice And did
Speaker 5: you know Toby episode drop?
Speaker 3: Toby did drop? Yes, thank you, Nick, Strange Angles episodes
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Speaker 5: Check it out so much at the ceiling fan all right,
Speaker 5: so thank you? All right, Riccardo, what is going on?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 5: I'm very excited to get you on with Heather. This
Speaker 5: is exciting. Please let everybody know what do you deal
Speaker 5: is and everything?
Speaker 2: Sure, So my tag on X is as it is
Speaker 2: on the screen, So it's at three cut cavary one
Speaker 2: at X. I want to plug in the Institute for
Speaker 2: Natural Philosophy that you can find at Institute for Philosophy
Speaker 2: dot org. You have a magazine that is free there
Speaker 2: to watch and download. I want to plug in the
Speaker 2: Universe and Veiled podcast where we have our girls doing
Speaker 2: great work interviewing interesting people. Uh and my books start
Speaker 2: us The Residents that you can find at Amazon by
Speaker 2: that night. So thank you very much.
Speaker 5: Nick.
Speaker 2: Excited to hear from Heather, and it's always a pleasure
Speaker 2: to be with Jim Headless and yourself.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Oh, thank you sir, And definitely go check
Speaker 5: out his institute and definitely go check out that podcast.
Speaker 5: Those those two women have some pretty cool chicks and
Speaker 5: they've had some really good guests on so go check
Speaker 5: it out. And Heather, finally, unfortunately the connection issues. We
Speaker 5: can't see your amazing, beautiful face, but we'll get to
Speaker 5: hear your voice, so please let everybody know what are
Speaker 5: you doing?
Speaker 4: Sorry about that.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is Heather Arnold. I'm Heather l Arnold on
Speaker 1: X and I want to thank you so much for
Speaker 1: inviting me back. I had such a good time last time,
Speaker 1: so I was looking forward to this evening. My apologies
Speaker 1: for the strange issues with connections. Not the first time
Speaker 1: this has happened. I don't know if it's the ghost
Speaker 1: of the Giants or what, but very strange things often
Speaker 1: happen with these podcasts.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm looking forward to speaking about the giants.
Speaker 1: So today is a good day for a giantologist because
Speaker 1: we are hopefully on the path to auditing the Smithsonian.
Speaker 1: So that's very exciting news for all of us.
Speaker 6: Who have been barraged and berated with quote unquote archaeologists,
Speaker 6: pseudo archaeologists, pseudo anthropologists asking us.
Speaker 4: Where are the bones? Where are the bones? Where are
Speaker 4: the bones?
Speaker 1: And now maybe we can finally figure out where the
Speaker 1: bones are. If you go to my ex account, you'll
Speaker 1: see I reposted a great article at Esquire magazine that
Speaker 1: is written about a congress person who is pushing to
Speaker 1: find the giant.
Speaker 4: Bones in the Smithsonian. So this is really to me.
Speaker 4: This is an exciting day. Never in my lifetime did
Speaker 4: I think this was going to happen.
Speaker 1: So I'm so excited and sadly, I believe the Smithsonian has.
Speaker 4: Sold the bones.
Speaker 1: Uh, let's hope not. And let's see if we can
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 4: Let's see. I don't know. This might be a harder
Speaker 4: not to crack than the Epstein files. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm nervous, but I'm cautiously optimistic.
Speaker 5: Well, well, do the Epstein files exist this week? I'm
Speaker 5: not sure. I don't. I don't remember.
Speaker 4: I think they're on someone's desk or something.
Speaker 2: But uh, you ever follow?
Speaker 5: Go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I hardly ever follow the news, but I saw that
Speaker 2: one because those headlines were everywhere. The media was up
Speaker 2: at arms, how dare you try it? Audit the Smithsonian?
Speaker 2: As soon as Trump mentioned anything about it, they were nuts.
Speaker 2: They're like, don't you dare We've got everything under control.
Speaker 2: Don't look over here. But are you really very vain?
Speaker 2: How are you really expecting something to come out of it?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean I hope, so, I don't know. There are
Speaker 4: a lot of prominent congress people who are pushing for it.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean anything will come of it. But you know
Speaker 1: the problem with the Smithsonian, and I posted this also
Speaker 1: on my account, is that they are pentacles run deep
Speaker 1: and wide. For example, the Archaeology Museum here, which is
Speaker 1: one covering up information. I know because I've been in
Speaker 1: their basement and the head of the museum is my
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend. They are this sister museum to the Smithsonian.
Speaker 1: So the Smithsonian finance the archaeology museum here on a
Speaker 1: little island off.
Speaker 4: The coast of South America.
Speaker 1: Why would the Smithsonian be so wrapped up with an
Speaker 1: archaeology museum off the coast of South America. I mean,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't make any sense. But they are this
Speaker 1: sister museum and also received an extensive amount of financing
Speaker 1: for a building of the museum, as well as acquiring
Speaker 1: the collections and setting up the collections.
Speaker 4: So I think there's a connection between the two. And yeah,
Speaker 4: and so even if.
Speaker 1: You dig deep deeply within the Smithsonian, there are so
Speaker 1: many hundreds, if not maybe even thousands of museums worldwide
Speaker 1: that were built up from the Smithsonian and are playing
Speaker 1: the same games. So they really they're an insidious network.
Speaker 1: And I at least people are talking about it. And
Speaker 1: it's not a quote unquote conspiracy theory. It's actually people
Speaker 1: putting things into action and writing strongly worded letters and
Speaker 1: seeing the people of the Smithsonian up in arms is wonderful.
Speaker 4: I also heard that there is talk of perhaps firing.
Speaker 1: The entire board of the Smithsonian, because really that's what
Speaker 1: you have to do.
Speaker 4: The corruption runs so deep there.
Speaker 1: You can't keep the same people at the Smithsonian and
Speaker 1: have an audit expect everything to be different. It's not
Speaker 1: going to be different if we keep the same people.
Speaker 1: And we're certainly not going to get to the bottom
Speaker 1: of anything if we keep the same people in charge.
Speaker 2: Sure, but I see it as a vast, vast network,
Speaker 2: like a vast network of roots from a gigantic tree
Speaker 2: that you can plug one without bringing everything out. So
Speaker 2: because for instance, Nick is going to have a guest
Speaker 2: soon that is Prince of Barrows, and we've been dealing
Speaker 2: with this non pigash thing and the findings and the testing,
Speaker 2: and when they realize that the results of the testing
Speaker 2: we're giving dates that contradict the narrative, they contacted the Simsonian.
Speaker 2: They contacted another archaeologists. They kept him waiting, They didn't
Speaker 2: show him these emails nor their replies, and they just said, oh,
Speaker 2: we can test them that the results are negative. They
Speaker 2: are not sensitive to the test that you require, so
Speaker 2: we cannot give you the debts. But the that's we
Speaker 2: found show that they are post Columbus time so nothing
Speaker 2: to see there, So it's one hundred years old. And
Speaker 2: then we start reading the paper and the tests cannot
Speaker 2: differentiate between a thousand and one hundred years old, so
Speaker 2: they only put the one hundred when they should put
Speaker 2: it could be a thousand or one hundred years old.
Speaker 2: So this is a scheme that goes very levels, and
Speaker 2: they talked with one another in order to don't contradict anyone.
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure if plugging a head out will
Speaker 2: do anything to the system, because it's like a vast
Speaker 2: network of roots. It's very difficult that screwed up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the key is the funding.
Speaker 1: You know, cutting off the funding is or limiting the
Speaker 1: funding really will start to dry up some of these
Speaker 1: people who have been maintaining this narrative for lord knows
Speaker 1: how long.
Speaker 4: And also you have to about academia.
Speaker 1: Academia and the Smithsonian go hand in hand, and so
Speaker 1: you really have to root out all of the corruption
Speaker 1: within academia, and that goes hand in hand with the Smithsonian.
Speaker 1: The Smithsonian who's financed so many archaeological dig sites and
Speaker 1: pulled funding for example, when the results didn't come across
Speaker 1: exactly how they had wanted them to come. For example,
Speaker 1: in Chaco Canyon, Richard Weatherhill, who is buried there, he
Speaker 1: was given funding by the Museum of Natural History in
Speaker 1: New York City to investigate the ancient people of Chaco Canyon.
Speaker 1: And what he discovered is that they were cannibals, and
Speaker 1: he had the evidence to show on the bones and
Speaker 1: in the houses in the fire pits. And when he
Speaker 1: gave that information to the museum, they pulled all of
Speaker 1: his funding because they.
Speaker 4: Were trying at that time Arizona was in.
Speaker 1: New Mexico, were just territories and they had to negotiate
Speaker 1: the government with the Native American populations there, and they
Speaker 1: didn't want the government did not want the Native American
Speaker 1: populations to think that the Americans were categorizing them as cannibals,
Speaker 1: so they pulled the funding right away, and Richard Weatherhill.
Speaker 4: Ended up dying out in Choco Can.
Speaker 1: Very disappointed because he was the first one to discover
Speaker 1: that always not peace and love at Chaco. And interestingly,
Speaker 1: just about four years ago a more modern investigation occurred
Speaker 1: where they did determine yes, and they were cannibals, and
Speaker 1: they were very brutal in the way that they cannibalized people.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so the narrative pushing is really that's the thing.
Speaker 4: If we can just put this aside and stop worrying.
Speaker 1: About offending people and especially people who have been like,
Speaker 1: you know, a thousand years, five thousand years.
Speaker 4: And this brings me to an interesting point.
Speaker 1: I was just in New York and I was at
Speaker 1: a museum that is the Vanderbilt Museum and Planetarium, and
Speaker 1: it is from Vanderbilt, the famous Vanderbilt family, the multi
Speaker 1: which today they probably put multi trillionaires because they didn't
Speaker 1: pay taxes at that time. So there was this beautiful
Speaker 1: estate on the Gold Coast of Long Island that upon
Speaker 1: his death, I believe it was William K. Vanderbilt the second.
Speaker 1: He was an explorer and went all over the world
Speaker 1: and acquired all of these artifacts and different species of
Speaker 1: animals and fish and just traveled the world. And he
Speaker 1: was an explorer essentially and an amateur archeologists in a sense,
Speaker 1: an anthropologists. And he gave the museum over to the
Speaker 1: county Suffolk County, New York. And so my daughter and
Speaker 1: I went there and excuse me, excuse me. So we
Speaker 1: went there and they used to have these shrunken heads
Speaker 1: on display. So when we went to the museum, they're
Speaker 1: gone now, They've been taken out of the display. So
Speaker 1: I went to the head of the museum and I asked,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Why on earth are these are the
Speaker 1: heads not here anymore? And they said, oh, well it was.
Speaker 1: They were very I mean it may had been there
Speaker 1: since the early nineteen hundreds, late maybe nineteen twenties. And
Speaker 1: they said, oh, you know, some people were offended by them.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, what about the p Puvians who
Speaker 1: shrunk these heads? What do I mean are you even
Speaker 1: concerned if they're offended? I mean, these were gifted. This
Speaker 1: is not something. This has been here for a long time.
Speaker 1: Who cares if people are offended? And so not only
Speaker 1: were those drunken heads taken away, she told me they're
Speaker 1: in the archive. Also a series of bones from a
Speaker 1: cannibal feasts in the Society Islands.
Speaker 4: That were gifted to Vanderbilt. They were taken out of display.
Speaker 1: And the next victim may be an Egyptian mummy that
Speaker 1: is actually on display that Vanderbilt, through the government of
Speaker 1: the United States, actually President Harrison had the mummy shipped
Speaker 1: over and would say his private collection and is now
Speaker 1: in display.
Speaker 4: She's actually a princess, and she.
Speaker 1: Might be the next victim to go into the quote
Speaker 1: unquote basement of the museum, which is so depressing. And
Speaker 1: thankfully I have been categorizing all the taking pictures as
Speaker 1: much as possible in all the museums that I go
Speaker 1: to as of proof of what these exhibits were and
Speaker 1: what was really here. And the scary part is people
Speaker 1: going to the museum right today.
Speaker 4: I have no idea that these.
Speaker 1: Things were on display that now we have a serenitized
Speaker 1: version of the museum that appeals to all ages and
Speaker 1: excuse me, and in place of some of these artifacts,
Speaker 1: they have now put modern art displays, which is bizarre,
Speaker 1: and that's a global occurrence that's happening.
Speaker 5: Do you ever wonder if this sorry, go ahead recorder,
Speaker 5: go go go, sorry, go go, that was just Sometimes
Speaker 5: I have wondered if the whole pandering stuff is just
Speaker 5: a reason to remove things to begin with, like that
Speaker 5: was the whole reason it was ever brought up, like
Speaker 5: you know, this is our excuse to start changing things,
Speaker 5: you know. I wondered about that go ahead recording.
Speaker 2: As I see, I think this is somewhat and extrumely
Speaker 2: and in this case related to the infamous knac fra uh.
Speaker 2: And what are you doing is they are eradicating from
Speaker 2: from the new generations, all of this part of history,
Speaker 2: so especially Indigenous peoples. They are trying to remove everything
Speaker 2: from scene. They're taking books from libraries, they're taking books
Speaker 2: from schools, universities. The images are disappearing from the internet.
Speaker 2: You can see the description, but you can no longer
Speaker 2: see the images because someone might get offended. The problem
Speaker 2: is there is no one getting offended. This is all
Speaker 2: an excuse to remove these people, to reopen the chasm
Speaker 2: between what are Americans today and the Indigenous people. So
Speaker 2: all the work that was brought to make them be
Speaker 2: able to mingle one one another into two generations, A
Speaker 2: child will not know when you reached adultsthood, it will
Speaker 2: not know what an Indigenous people is because you've never
Speaker 2: seen it. There's no presence in the museums, there's no
Speaker 2: books about them, there is no history mentioned in the school,
Speaker 2: there's nothing. So my question is, and I might be dramatizing,
Speaker 2: is but how long will it take for America to
Speaker 2: build a gaza wall and put all on the other side,
Speaker 2: because they are completely eradicating them from memory of the
Speaker 2: American people. They're creating this chasm between the two cultures.
Speaker 2: That's the plan. It's not being people offended. No one's
Speaker 2: getting offended. And I'm happy to sprun.
Speaker 1: Up Magra too, because Natra is put now that people
Speaker 1: starting to question Nagra. And I'm happy because this whole
Speaker 1: Smithsonian thing, even if nothing comes of it, which I'm
Speaker 1: hopeful something will, that it has now spun off all
Speaker 1: this other attention onto other ways.
Speaker 4: That our history is being suppressed.
Speaker 1: And Natra is a perfect example, and no example, nothing
Speaker 1: exemplifies the problem with Nagra better in my opinion, than
Speaker 1: the wind Oversite, the windover site in Florida, which is.
Speaker 4: Probably tens of thousands years of years old, where.
Speaker 1: People essentially they were buried underwater or in a bog
Speaker 1: type situation as a matter of fact, very similar to
Speaker 1: the burials that are here in Aruba, the ancient burials,
Speaker 1: and because of the way they were buried, they were preserved.
Speaker 1: DNA was extracted. But in the meantime the site was
Speaker 1: given over to the Native American populations because because anything
Speaker 1: older than a certain age that comes out of the
Speaker 1: ground must be made Native American. And this is all
Speaker 1: because of Bill Clinton and the law that he created,
Speaker 1: I believe in nineteen ninety one one, so.
Speaker 4: It's a new Ish law.
Speaker 1: And so anyway, the DNA evidence showed that the people
Speaker 1: were not Native American at all, had no Native American
Speaker 1: blood at all, no DNA, but were actually closer to Asian,
Speaker 1: an Asian DNA genome rather than or.
Speaker 4: Even closer to.
Speaker 1: Like a Caucaus mountains that type of genome, but nothing
Speaker 1: related to Native Americans. Which and so now this site
Speaker 1: is closed. No one can do any more research. Everything's
Speaker 1: done with the site. There's no even there's just a
Speaker 1: tiny museum that just has a couple of plaques that
Speaker 1: speak about what was at what is at the site.
Speaker 1: No one knows where anything has gone, the artifacts, the burials,
Speaker 1: or anything. My whole concern is, okay, aside from giving
Speaker 1: everything to the Native Americans, I mean, I have tried
Speaker 1: to do a business deal with Native American populations in
Speaker 1: the States.
Speaker 4: An excuse me. I had to meet with several Indian
Speaker 4: chiefs essentially.
Speaker 1: And I met with five different chiefs of five different tribes,
Speaker 1: and they showed up with like Rolex watches all this goal,
Speaker 1: I mean, dressed beautifully like a python python belts, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, why these guys are loaded, you know? And
Speaker 1: then it makes me think, because now I'm going down
Speaker 1: another rabbit hole that I hate to go down, but
Speaker 1: I must go down it. What is happening to these artifacts?
Speaker 1: Are they selling them? Is? Are these museums selling them?
Speaker 1: Is the Smithsonian selling them? Are the Native Americans selling
Speaker 1: the artifacts? I mean, this could be really blow the
Speaker 1: lid off of a huge black market of selling these
Speaker 1: eight ancient artifacts by all the people who have control
Speaker 1: of the ancient artifacts.
Speaker 5: That's an interesting idea. I never thought of them actually
Speaker 5: selling it. I just fege like they're just fighting it.
Speaker 5: But I mean, all right, go ahead, recall there was
Speaker 5: something you said and I already lost my thought.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I I was just going to say
Speaker 2: that among the many, many tribes that exist in the
Speaker 2: United States, some of them have casinos, and those that
Speaker 2: have casinos, they are completely loaded. Right. So I heard
Speaker 2: of people just because they live in an area where
Speaker 2: that tribe has a casino, the guy gets forty thousand
Speaker 2: a month a month, right, So that's the amount of
Speaker 2: money that circulates, so I think that them selling artifacts.
Speaker 2: Of course, there might be one or two that things
Speaker 2: knows these collectors and this, VHS this, and that. There's
Speaker 2: always corrupt people everywhere. But I think that the problem
Speaker 2: in regard to the artifacts and the natives is most
Speaker 2: of them they don't belong to them, and they know
Speaker 2: they don't belong to them, and those that belong they
Speaker 2: were forced to be removed from the land and so
Speaker 2: they moved on, and so they don't consider it theirs anymore.
Speaker 2: They have not another belief, they have other totems to follow,
Speaker 2: so they don't have a purpose for them. So the
Speaker 2: state is forcing them to accept this, and they don't
Speaker 2: want it because they don't have a place to put
Speaker 2: it or what to do with them, because they don't
Speaker 2: recognize them as their own. Again showing that all of
Speaker 2: this is in agenda that has nothing to do with
Speaker 2: Indidia's peoples apart from eradicating their existence.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll just say in response to that, Ricardo, actually,
Speaker 3: very near where you are right now, there are two
Speaker 3: trip A class facilities for holding archival materials on reservations.
Speaker 3: So a lot of how this works is funding through
Speaker 3: the federal government and obviously, if you're earmarked massive infrastructure
Speaker 3: money to get to build museums, to build like high
Speaker 3: end you know, environmentally not environmentally same, but I'm talking
Speaker 3: about for the artwork. It has to be environmentally controlled
Speaker 3: and it has the people have to be trained up
Speaker 3: to a certain level. Their archival skills have to be
Speaker 3: right obviously right. So they've actually done this thing where
Speaker 3: they've trained people, built these museums. They actually house very
Speaker 3: little and so I think this is a good question,
Speaker 3: like what Heather is bringing up, Like I I agree
Speaker 3: with you, Ricardo, they don't. They probably is not being sold.
Speaker 3: But what happens is these large institutions have huge archives
Speaker 3: that are not properly cataloged.
Speaker 2: Agree absolutely.
Speaker 3: You know, I've worked I've worked in one for the summer.
Speaker 3: It's a you know, it's a it's it's it. They
Speaker 3: don't really understand like what they have and a lot
Speaker 3: of the things are mislabeled. It's a lot more like
Speaker 3: bureaucratic disorganization than it is like necessarily a quote unquote conspiracy.
Speaker 3: But there is narrative control. And I think that both
Speaker 3: of you are getting at that. It's like it's like
Speaker 3: the funding that is what is the ideological constrictor so
Speaker 3: like you're getting it from this grant, from this foundation,
Speaker 3: from this foundation, then of course they're gonna select projects
Speaker 3: that suit what they are, you know, whatever they're looking
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you that there is a proposition
Speaker 2: in motion that we expect it gets to the right hands.
Speaker 2: And one of the propositions it does to try and
Speaker 2: correct this is that it has to have a lot
Speaker 2: of I don't know how to say it in English,
Speaker 2: but people have to be educated on what they're doing.
Speaker 2: So those that are going to sites and seeing if
Speaker 2: this is theirs is not, if it's sacred, if it's
Speaker 2: not sacred. It has to be people that has to
Speaker 2: be educated, not only academically, but also in indigenous practices,
Speaker 2: so and preferably they would be Indigenous people trained in
Speaker 2: their arts and in academic realm. And has to be
Speaker 2: people that have to be selected for their honesty and
Speaker 2: for their integrity. So it's not easy, but it's the
Speaker 2: only way to start going through the net and saying Okay,
Speaker 2: this stays in the museum, this goes to us, but
Speaker 2: goes into this place proper catalog protally identified put in
Speaker 2: a museum inside our land, and everything keeps being exposed
Speaker 2: and shown. So I think that not everything is black
Speaker 2: and white, and this isn't black and white as I've
Speaker 2: been putting, our Heather is being putting. I think, Jen,
Speaker 2: you are closer to the mark.
Speaker 3: You're right though, Ricardo is that there has been a
Speaker 3: large scale move what's called the decolonization of institutions, the
Speaker 3: decolonization of especially in the museum and the archive. And
Speaker 3: so this, right, this is a kind this is not
Speaker 3: really talked about in like the American political discourse, but
Speaker 3: in Canada this was like our number one primary mode
Speaker 3: of quote unquote wokeness. So it is kind of interesting,
Speaker 3: this decolonization model, and and just like what it means
Speaker 3: and it is about, it is kind of what Ricardo's
Speaker 3: talking about, Like it's hiding the archive. It's like, okay,
Speaker 3: so we don't know really know what's in the archive,
Speaker 3: but this is like a more it's obscuring it even
Speaker 3: further because you're you're saying, okay, all these artifacts are nebulous.
Speaker 3: We don't know who which title is a big part
Speaker 3: of this, Like who claims the title? I'm sure Cardon
Speaker 3: knows Lave of Us, but like exactly like what tribe
Speaker 3: claims it, and then there will be multiple tribes that
Speaker 3: dispute ownership of the relics or the bones or whatever
Speaker 3: it is. So then that has to go through a
Speaker 3: long many years of litigation, and then it has to
Speaker 3: go through like a crown a crown. Excuse me, I
Speaker 3: can't even speak a crown like mediation process between the
Speaker 3: different tribes because the government will also fight it. That's
Speaker 3: the whole thing. That's how it works here. This is
Speaker 3: the government will also say, oh, it's ours, so they'll
Speaker 3: all be suing each other. They'll be like a it's
Speaker 3: That's that's how they complicate all these things like what
Speaker 3: hell they're talking about? Like showing auditing the Smithsonian. It's
Speaker 3: very difficult to do here because everything is so entwined
Speaker 3: with federal funding.
Speaker 4: And I just wanted to bring up a very famous
Speaker 4: person who's been hiding things.
Speaker 1: The Zahi Hawas in Egypt is the king of hiding things.
Speaker 4: He also, let's not forget, he was in jail. He
Speaker 4: was jailed. I don't know who let him out.
Speaker 1: Someone in the government let him out. He was supposed
Speaker 1: to be in jail for a very long time, and
Speaker 1: he was in jail for selling off Egypt's antiquities. That's
Speaker 1: exactly why he was in jail. So he was and
Speaker 1: somehow the government change and he got out of jail.
Speaker 1: But that's what he was doing. He was giving favors
Speaker 1: to people if they so they could have access to
Speaker 1: some of the antiquities, they could have access to some
Speaker 1: of the digs, exclusive access. So he was jailed for this,
Speaker 1: and so it's not to me. I mean, Egypt is
Speaker 1: a prime example of people selling off stuff. I mean
Speaker 1: remember Tut and commons tomb. I can't recall the lord,
Speaker 1: the lord's name, the one who allegedly first excavated the tomb.
Speaker 4: It's escaping me.
Speaker 1: But anyway, they found in one of his homes that
Speaker 1: he had in the UK a hidden wall and within
Speaker 1: this entire wall were all these artifacts from King Tut's tomb.
Speaker 1: And this was recently that this was discovered. So I
Speaker 1: think this has been going on a long time. I mean,
Speaker 1: think about mummy dust. I mean remember.
Speaker 4: Back in the nineteen twenties when people.
Speaker 1: Were going over to Egypt and making selling the mummies
Speaker 1: to make mummy dust so they could put it on
Speaker 1: their skin to look younger and so I just have
Speaker 1: a you know, maybe I'm just more cynical, but I
Speaker 1: just have a bad feeling getting back to the Smithsonian,
Speaker 1: in particular that a lot of these artifacts, especially the
Speaker 1: giant bones, are already gone.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Jim Vieira, who is also a studier of the giants,
Speaker 1: he went through all of the articles, newspaper articles that
Speaker 1: he could possibly be fine going back as far as
Speaker 1: he could and seeing that the saying that we, oh,
Speaker 1: we were on a farm and they dug up these
Speaker 1: giant bones, and they're all over in almost every state
Speaker 1: in the United States of America.
Speaker 4: And the end result of every article.
Speaker 1: Is and so and so from the Smithsonian came and
Speaker 1: they took the bones.
Speaker 4: Well, Jim made a catalog, a list of all these bones,
Speaker 4: and he.
Speaker 1: Actually called the Smithsonian and found out their catalog numbers
Speaker 1: of these bones that were actually entered into the archives
Speaker 1: and asked them, well, do you have this number in
Speaker 1: this and they said no, they had no record of
Speaker 1: any of those bones at all.
Speaker 4: So yes, of course they could be misplaced. I know exactly.
Speaker 1: The basement here in the Archaeology Museum in Aruba is
Speaker 1: just a it's a disaster. I mean, they don't even
Speaker 1: know what they have. My ex boyfriend, I remember, he
Speaker 1: called me one day, so, oh, I just found a
Speaker 1: skull I've been looking for for like two years.
Speaker 4: You know. And this is a small museum, so I
Speaker 4: know that things.
Speaker 1: Could definitely be misplaced in. It's just sloppy management. And
Speaker 1: the whole job of the archaeologist is to catagalogue, catalog
Speaker 1: things and categorize things, and yet and archives them properly,
Speaker 1: and sadly they haven't done so. But also I think
Speaker 1: there's this nefarious arm of things going on the black market.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there was a story and it
Speaker 1: was covered up so quickly of the owner, the CEO
Speaker 1: of hobby Lobby, and he was shipping.
Speaker 5: I was going to bring this up, I should you not.
Speaker 5: I was going to wait for a break because I
Speaker 5: was kind of a little bit off topic. Anybody know
Speaker 5: about hobby Lobby, Yes, so please continue?
Speaker 1: Oh so yeah, no, he So they were they opened
Speaker 1: up something that was supposed to be like paints or
Speaker 1: something innocuous for a hobby's hobby store, and instead it
Speaker 1: was these ancient religious artifacts.
Speaker 4: I'm not quite sure what it was. I never could
Speaker 4: find specifically what it was. But it was cret at
Speaker 4: to create.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just one thing, and it was labeled as
Speaker 1: something but like innocuous, but it was.
Speaker 4: Actually all these religious artifacts. Where did he get those from?
Speaker 4: And and by the way, nothing happened. I don't even know.
Speaker 4: I don't think he got fined. I don't think the
Speaker 4: store is still bigger than ever. They're expanding. So how
Speaker 4: did he get them? Who was he buying them from?
Speaker 4: Why was it covered up?
Speaker 5: So that's right now, sorry guys, and he did them,
Speaker 5: I think half of them were saying too.
Speaker 4: Did he forfeited?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he had been doing this for a while,
Speaker 1: so he This wasn't just a yeah, that's someone that
Speaker 1: they caught, but that they hey had been doing this
Speaker 1: for a long time. And still, okay, maybe he forfeited,
Speaker 1: but what did they do with it now they forfeited?
Speaker 1: Would they send it back, send it back to where
Speaker 1: it was all these different channels.
Speaker 4: They couldn't even figure out where they exactly came from.
Speaker 1: It was just so covered up. It was very advanced,
Speaker 1: and this was a business. And so that's the type
Speaker 1: of stuff I'm always thinking about because I'll even.
Speaker 4: See online and I'm in some groups where they're selling artifacts.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, okay, maybe they're fake, but man, they
Speaker 1: do look real. And I'm always wondering, like shrunken heads.
Speaker 1: I'm in a group that's selling shrunken heads. Look where
Speaker 1: are they getting the shrunken heads?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: So it's just to me, it's very it's very interesting
Speaker 1: and puzzling and horrifying because I think there is a
Speaker 1: black market and it's being fueled by these museums.
Speaker 5: You know, George Soros has a house in Katona. I
Speaker 5: just saw that a giant found in Katona.
Speaker 7: There will to be a nag perthek So all these
Speaker 7: elitists are related to these giants, right, and so they're
Speaker 7: just taking back the bones of their families, right right, yes, exactly.
Speaker 5: Oh shit.
Speaker 3: It is interesting that the hobby lobby Garden West fundeling
Speaker 3: Gnostic tax as we often talk about on the show,
Speaker 3: like how much Book of Enoch three is like so
Speaker 3: pervasive among quote unquote conspiracy culture.
Speaker 5: And they're closed on Sundays because they like that they're
Speaker 5: so young Christian. No, those guys are going to anastic
Speaker 5: mess yeah and go to church.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's sadly I think that you know, that's
Speaker 1: why with the Smithsonian. I mean, these bones, then we're
Speaker 1: going back to the eighteen hundreds. I just I don't
Speaker 1: have much faith in it. But you know, for example,
Speaker 1: we're missing both there's all these skeletal remains that the
Speaker 1: museum here has no clue where the skeleton remains went.
Speaker 1: I just posted recently on my ex account of something
Speaker 1: from the archaeological reports of these two elongated giant skulls
Speaker 1: that were unearthed in a burial not far from where
Speaker 1: I'm sitting right now, and they are totally gone. They're
Speaker 1: completely vanished. The last known location was Hunter College in
Speaker 1: New York City. Why were they in Hunter College? No
Speaker 1: one even knows they weren't even here excavating. So that's
Speaker 1: the kind of thing that always makes me curious, you know,
Speaker 1: why why weren't they Why didn't they stay in the islands.
Speaker 4: Why didn't they go to Holland.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know this, Aruba is part of the
Speaker 1: Kingdom of the Netherlands, and they have a lot of
Speaker 1: the stuff from Aruba and Bonair and curs out as well,
Speaker 1: and they have a lot of the giant bones too.
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, I'm hopeful that at least we
Speaker 1: can revisit napro with this whole unearthing of what's going
Speaker 1: on in the Smithsonian.
Speaker 4: And it's mainstream now.
Speaker 1: It's not just us talking to each other on Twitter,
Speaker 1: you know, it's now and on podcasts now.
Speaker 4: Actually everyone's talking about this.
Speaker 1: It's a front page story and now, and for that
Speaker 1: I'm happy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you that in the Simpsonian you
Speaker 2: won't find many giant bones. First of all, because they
Speaker 2: dispersed them, others, they just destroyed them. There is records
Speaker 2: of them destroying them, and so I don't I don't
Speaker 2: fancy that we're going to find any significant bones of
Speaker 2: giants within the vaults of the Simpsony. They're all gone,
Speaker 2: either sold or destroyed or remove from archive and some
Speaker 2: box that no one will open. So yeah, yeah, But
Speaker 2: but if you've seen the screen that I shared, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of articles mentioning.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you want to put that back up and we'll
Speaker 5: take a look at it. I was going to ask
Speaker 5: you to put it back up. I'm so sorry. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I was gonna wait for her to finish, and then
Speaker 5: I was going to ask you if you wanted to
Speaker 5: show that. I think it's kind of interesting. Remember one
Speaker 5: time when I don't remember for what reason, I was
Speaker 5: covering it. You hear about like androids or auto autoumaton
Speaker 5: or whatever they called them back in the day, and
Speaker 5: I found like old newspaper clippings from like the seventeen
Speaker 5: hundreds and I think the eighteen hundreds of like them
Speaker 5: them mentioning like telling you to come down to this
Speaker 5: area at twelve o'clock during the day and we're gonna
Speaker 5: have a six year old boy that looks like, you know,
Speaker 5: a six year old boy size you know android. Oh
Speaker 5: it is because Albertus Magnus, that's right, Saint Albertus Magnus.
Speaker 5: I think it's from like one thousand. He had a Android.
Speaker 5: And supposedly Thomas Aquinas, who is fucking huge in the
Speaker 5: Catholic Church. Some of them actually don't even say what
Speaker 5: would Jesus do? Anymore? They say what would Thomas Aquinas do?
Speaker 5: That's how big this guy is. He supposedly destroyed the
Speaker 5: android because they got them all nervous and scared. But
Speaker 5: supposedly one of the saints even had an android. Sure,
Speaker 5: the word android is came from his his device. The
Speaker 5: word reason we even have the word android is because
Speaker 5: of that guy's thing.
Speaker 2: If you go and look my paper automata, you'll find
Speaker 2: that there was already automata around the year one thousand BC.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, so, and these were recorded in history
Speaker 2: as most of them were musical, and there is rumors
Speaker 2: of flying birds, replicas of insects, and they started to
Speaker 2: increase the size of things. And then for instance what
Speaker 2: Nick was talking about the boys, if you go and
Speaker 2: look around the sixteen hundreds, they were doing extremely complicated
Speaker 2: automata that could write. So there is this still in
Speaker 2: the museum, this automata that can write an entire story
Speaker 2: like a child. You look at it and it's exactly
Speaker 2: like a child writing. It's it's quite impressive to watch.
Speaker 5: So crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. What they didn't have is programming in terms of
Speaker 2: writing in a computer and making him the different things.
Speaker 2: So it follows a type of wheels and spikes, and
Speaker 2: so they could change the movements, but it was once
Speaker 2: it sat. It only does that until you have to
Speaker 2: change completely the way that these wheels and these spikes
Speaker 2: will interact with one another. And the ones in one
Speaker 2: thousand BC, some of them were by steam, so they
Speaker 2: didn't use steam as a locomotive of anything. But they
Speaker 2: use steam as a form of entertainment. They knew the
Speaker 2: technology to just they didn't use it as we use
Speaker 2: them as you use it.
Speaker 5: Sorry, That's what I had kind of a soumed I
Speaker 5: think I had. I had guests I think like doing
Speaker 5: it differently. I think in one article that I read,
Speaker 5: they suggested it might have been magnets of mercury or whatever.
Speaker 2: But sure some of them, yeah, some of them.
Speaker 5: Had Yeah, But I was I did say, I was like,
Speaker 5: I guarantee you these things are just like take understanding
Speaker 5: almost simples actually believe it or not, and just like
Speaker 5: playing around with it. I mean, if you you know,
Speaker 5: I guess like if you kind of just study these
Speaker 5: things kind of in a basic understanding, you'd probably be
Speaker 5: able to fool around and make that if you had
Speaker 5: the time to do it.
Speaker 2: Oh of course, of course.
Speaker 5: So it was just like I think they were just
Speaker 5: taking advantage of stuff that most people didn't just know about.
Speaker 2: Sure, it's it's imagine imagine a clock. You see how
Speaker 2: many cogs and wheels a clock has. They did that
Speaker 2: and created automaton the same way you build a watch.
Speaker 2: So the principle is the same, it's just wheels and cogs.
Speaker 5: That's interesting.
Speaker 1: Just going back to the museum component because I have
Speaker 1: something upcoming in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: I'm going to be traveling.
Speaker 1: To Curasao and Kurasao is one of the ABC islands,
Speaker 1: also called the Islands of the Giants. So so we
Speaker 1: had two skulls here, also giant skulls.
Speaker 4: One was the largest skull ever unearthed and it was
Speaker 4: here in Aruba.
Speaker 1: And they are all these skulls also, aside from being
Speaker 1: a large, are also elongated. So these two skulls were
Speaker 1: last seen. They were taken from Aruba, and we have
Speaker 1: the documentation that's actually in a scientific report. They were
Speaker 1: taken from Aruba and brought to Currosau and Curasau. For
Speaker 1: a long time, no one would look at the skulls
Speaker 1: until finally the head of anthropology at the Tropical Museum
Speaker 1: in Amsterdam eventually came over to Currosau and did examine
Speaker 1: the skulls and she wrote up an archaeological report and
Speaker 1: in that report she stated that they were indeed giant
Speaker 1: skulls with elongation that appeared to be natural. Soon after, sadly,
Speaker 1: she died in a plane crash. However, those skulls were
Speaker 1: then housed. No museum would take the skulls, so the
Speaker 1: man in charge of financing the unearthing of the skulls
Speaker 1: he created his own museum built around the skulls, and
Speaker 1: it's called the Cursew Museum, which I was. I was
Speaker 1: just there last year and it's still there. So I
Speaker 1: went to the curers Down Museum last year after I
Speaker 1: made many phone calls and I asked about where are
Speaker 1: the skulls, and they said they had the skulls, but
Speaker 1: they disappeared and they had no idea who had them.
Speaker 1: So while I was there, the head of the museum,
Speaker 1: which is part of the actually part of the government
Speaker 1: of Cursow, the Dutch government, he contacted the head of
Speaker 1: the archaeology museum in Cursew and asked this woman, do
Speaker 1: you have the skulls?
Speaker 4: And she would.
Speaker 1: Neither confirm or deny whether or not they had the skulls.
Speaker 1: So my goal is to get the skulls back to
Speaker 1: Aruba and housed in the museum here. There's no reason
Speaker 1: why they have to be in Curasao unless they're being
Speaker 1: hidden from the public. So when I go back in
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, I have an appointment to see
Speaker 1: the head of archaeology in Curisu, and I'm hopeful that
Speaker 1: they will be honest with me, and if so, I'm
Speaker 1: hopeful that I can begin the process to repatriate the
Speaker 1: skulls back to Aruba, which I've been trying to do
Speaker 1: now for at least six years, and so I will
Speaker 1: keep you posted on that.
Speaker 4: But they just again, it just goes with the ties with.
Speaker 1: This whole thing with the Smithsonian and what my daughter
Speaker 1: and I witnessed this couple of weeks ago at the
Speaker 1: museum in New York. It's this constant hiding of the narrative.
Speaker 1: But I think I feel it's getting out of their
Speaker 1: hands now that it's getting so big and people can
Speaker 1: be waking up so fast and thank goodness for your
Speaker 1: shows like yours and sharing stories on social media. We're
Speaker 1: able to communicate faster than they're able to hide the things,
Speaker 1: not like how they used to do. And it's getting
Speaker 1: out there that these things are disappearing, particularly from museums
Speaker 1: that a lot of cases we're funding with our taxpayer dollars,
Speaker 1: so you know, it's it's the people's museum, and it's
Speaker 1: about our human story. We all have the right to
Speaker 1: see these things.
Speaker 4: And I mean.
Speaker 1: There are three fingered statues right now in the basement
Speaker 1: of the Archaeology Museum here in Aruba that they told
Speaker 1: me we'll never see the light of day because it
Speaker 1: doesn't fit any of the narrative. That's literally what they said.
Speaker 4: One of them. Actually they was just shipped over to.
Speaker 1: A museum in Leiden in the Netherlands, which if it
Speaker 1: had no value, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Why they shifted over there. So but it's just.
Speaker 1: Like again, this whole covering up the stories is really
Speaker 1: what I think is the is so difficult because then
Speaker 1: when you tell people that there were giants, well where
Speaker 1: are the bones?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: And this snide remark as if you know, that's the
Speaker 1: simplest part of the story. So yeah, I just I'm
Speaker 1: hopeful that I will make headway because it's been six
Speaker 1: years of me trying to get these skulls. First of all,
Speaker 1: to find them. The last known location, as I said,
Speaker 1: was the Currostyle Museum. The last written documentation of someone
Speaker 1: seeing them was in the nineteen eighties. I believe it
Speaker 1: was nineteen eighty six mentioned in the reading Eagle out
Speaker 1: of reading Pennsylvania, and in the article, the journalist mentions
Speaker 1: that she saw the two skulls in the basement and
Speaker 1: the lower level, not the basement, the lower level of
Speaker 1: the museum and documents.
Speaker 4: I mean, I have a copy of that article.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so they were there, and now they're not there,
Speaker 1: and no one wants to tell me where they are,
Speaker 1: which is very strange. I mean, why would you not
Speaker 1: want to do that. It just doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 1: And why they holding onto something that's not theirs. That's
Speaker 1: the other part of the story.
Speaker 7: Well, Heather, the whole tridactyl pH and I going on
Speaker 7: right now in Peru could be related to why they're
Speaker 7: trying to cover up these three fingered statues. Yeah, there
Speaker 7: could be a crossover between the tridactyls there and what's
Speaker 7: going on in Aruba, which could also be related to
Speaker 7: the giants in some way. All I know is that
Speaker 7: these pieces can come together until we get some transparency.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's funny because the whoever runs i't account the tridactyls.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure who. But I posted a statue that
Speaker 4: was here in the museum.
Speaker 1: I know, last I checked it was still here, and
Speaker 1: they actually reposted my post because it has three fingers
Speaker 1: and they look like aliens.
Speaker 4: I don't know if anyone's seen them.
Speaker 1: They're very strange looking creatures with elongates skilled big, big
Speaker 1: like eyes but like coffee being eyes, which are another
Speaker 1: strange thing that all these artifacts seem to have. And
Speaker 1: then the three fingers very strange, but I agree, I
Speaker 1: think that's part of it too.
Speaker 4: They don't but how can they explain it? You know,
Speaker 4: what is it?
Speaker 1: Where would they get the inspiration from this? I mean
Speaker 1: from mushroom being on a mushroom trip.
Speaker 4: I mean I don't think so.
Speaker 7: The Tritactal mummies that are found in Peru have the
Speaker 7: exact same features, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: Once I saw that he reposted my or she. I
Speaker 1: don't know who's run side account, but they reposted. Then
Speaker 1: I went and I looked at the mummies again and
Speaker 1: specifically their eyes, and I never realized, wow, that maybe
Speaker 1: that's what they were representing with these coffee bean eyes.
Speaker 1: They were representing these big eyes that were because the
Speaker 1: eyes don't look human. No human has eyes that look
Speaker 1: like that, and no human has three fingers, and their
Speaker 1: heads are elongated.
Speaker 4: They're very strange, and the.
Speaker 1: One statue I recently posted also has their hands around
Speaker 1: their belly button their navel, just like the moi and
Speaker 1: all these other many Yes, exactly that same position. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: exactly in Bali. As a matter of fact, they look
Speaker 1: almost exactly like the ones in Indonesia, which is even
Speaker 1: stranger and so as a matter of fact, one of
Speaker 1: the artifacts of these creatures was stolen from the museum,
Speaker 1: and I had an official from the museum send me
Speaker 1: a message on social media and asked me to not
Speaker 1: mention the statues anymore.
Speaker 4: Because they were afraid they were going to be stolen
Speaker 4: from the basement.
Speaker 1: By the way, they've never been on display, so rich
Speaker 1: and asked me to take down my post, which of
Speaker 1: course I didn't.
Speaker 4: So uh, they really really really want to hide these things.
Speaker 2: Sure you have the case of the of the stone
Speaker 2: that was stolen from Gobecu Tepe, still so well guarded,
Speaker 2: they are so protective of it, and still one of
Speaker 2: the stones weighs at about eighty pounds. I believe they
Speaker 2: managed to take it away and take it home. So
Speaker 2: nothing is safe. Basically, it's just a matter of opportunity
Speaker 2: for these people to take this kind of stuff. They
Speaker 2: I think there's some millionaires to have this on their rooms.
Speaker 7: The Peruvian government tried to stop a press conference where
Speaker 7: they were talking about these triedactls and they came into
Speaker 7: the room with the police to stop the press conference.
Speaker 7: They were hoping that they could seize them on site.
Speaker 7: And so one of the guys involved is now suing
Speaker 7: the Peruvian government for three hundred million dollars and so
Speaker 7: they're going ahead with the lawsuit. They're gonna, you know,
Speaker 7: make some headway against this. So I think there is hope,
Speaker 7: you know, I mean, the Smithsonian and all the rest
Speaker 7: of this stuff.
Speaker 2: I think it's linked together. Well, well, the tried acles
Speaker 2: is not It's not the worst case because the university
Speaker 2: they is studying them are exposing some of the results
Speaker 2: that they have, even them being so controversial, I think.
Speaker 2: And to me that I don't know, it was unique
Speaker 2: that interviewed. Uh it was right here that we interviewed
Speaker 2: was gonna yeah. So to me that what marked me
Speaker 2: more is the fact that these creatures come from X.
Speaker 2: So that that differentiates us completely from them because they
Speaker 2: come from X and they come from larvae. It's a
Speaker 2: larvae that comes from the eggs, right, and this larvae
Speaker 2: are also represented in many cultures around the world. Well,
Speaker 2: this is all speculation, but it seems to be the
Speaker 2: same phenomenon. So when you associate that usually this larvas
Speaker 2: need an environment to uh have the metamorphosis, right, Uh?
Speaker 2: Which which what? I what is that environment is? Is
Speaker 2: it human?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 2: What is they used in order to become what they become?
Speaker 2: One of their adults? I find that very interesting.
Speaker 4: Mhm Heather, Yes, yes, no, I'm here. No.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, you know, it's funny because there
Speaker 1: are over and over you see that same face, you know,
Speaker 1: those same like the There are carvings here in Cursau
Speaker 1: of this like alien face. You know, it's like upside
Speaker 1: down triangle face and big eyes, and you keep seeing it.
Speaker 4: Even at Bandolier.
Speaker 1: National Monument in New Mexico, not far from Chaco Canyon.
Speaker 1: Actually on one wall of the entire wall of the
Speaker 1: canyon are all those same heads, those like upside down
Speaker 1: triangle with the big eyes carved.
Speaker 4: Over and over and over and over.
Speaker 1: And I remember I went to the visitors center because again,
Speaker 1: in my whole life, I'm arguing with people at museums
Speaker 1: and national monuments, et cetera. I went to the ranger
Speaker 1: and I said, why don't you tell people about all
Speaker 1: those drawings? Like I mean, I can't believe how many
Speaker 1: times I've been to Bandolier and I've never seen these
Speaker 1: heads carved into the wall. And they said, I don't know,
Speaker 1: they said, And actually a younger person there, a younger
Speaker 1: seemed to be newer of our rangers, said what heads?
Speaker 1: They didn't even know what I was talking about. So,
Speaker 1: and then another time, just with the grand cover up,
Speaker 1: I went to Chaco Canyon specifically to see the six
Speaker 1: fingered hand prints and six toed prints that are on
Speaker 1: the walls of Pablo Bonita in Chaco Canyon, and these
Speaker 1: have been documented, there are photos of them. So I
Speaker 1: spoke to the head park ranger at Chaco Canyon and
Speaker 1: I asked him if he could go out with me
Speaker 1: to Pueblo Bonita and show me exactly.
Speaker 4: Where the prints were in the walls. These were petroglyph prints,
Speaker 4: and he said, oh no, we covered them up with cement.
Speaker 4: I said what, and he said, yeah.
Speaker 1: Too many people were coming by and looking at that,
Speaker 1: looked at them, so we just covered them up with cement.
Speaker 1: I looked at it.
Speaker 4: I said, are you making a joke.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it, and he said, no, I'm serious,
Speaker 1: he said, we just because an article had come out
Speaker 1: and I can't recall where, and it mentioned about the
Speaker 1: six fingered six toes prints in Pueblo Bonita and how
Speaker 1: a majority of the people who lived in Chaco at
Speaker 1: that time had.
Speaker 4: Six fingers and six toes and so instead.
Speaker 1: Of maybe protecting it or fencing it off or something,
Speaker 1: they just covered it up with cement and I never
Speaker 1: got to see them, and.
Speaker 4: I, I don't believe it.
Speaker 1: I specifically went, I mean, anyone who's been to Chaco Canyon.
Speaker 1: I've been there four, three or four times, actually maybe
Speaker 1: even five who's been there knows that it's such an
Speaker 1: ordeal to get to Chaco Canyon. It's not like there's
Speaker 1: a little road and then you park your card. No,
Speaker 1: it's like you have to drive way into the middle
Speaker 1: of the desert, then go off the paved road. Then
Speaker 1: you're on fifty miles fifty miles on dirt, totally a
Speaker 1: not maintained road, with wildlife running out at you and stuff.
Speaker 1: And then finally you get to the visitor center at
Speaker 1: Chaco Canyon. It's just a quite an ordeal, and to
Speaker 1: go all.
Speaker 4: The way there to see those prints and then be
Speaker 4: so beyond.
Speaker 1: Disappoint and mortified at the conclusion that the park had
Speaker 1: decided to cover.
Speaker 4: Up the Prince with cement. And this is just going
Speaker 4: on and on, and now you have to wonder how
Speaker 4: long has this been going on for? How many museums
Speaker 4: have we gone to and the head have been completely
Speaker 4: scrubbed and sanitized.
Speaker 1: It's very frustrat treading when you the people you trust
Speaker 1: in trust with these with these treasures of our human story,
Speaker 1: are betraying us.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure that the cement will lead the pigments
Speaker 2: on the rock. So right, if someone decides to one
Speaker 2: day take the cement out, there will be nothing on
Speaker 2: the wall because it will lead the very minerals of
Speaker 2: the of the wall itself.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, it will totally have destroyed the Prince, just
Speaker 1: like the olive trees and go back like tape, the same.
Speaker 2: Thing exactly, This purposeful.
Speaker 4: Destruction and such a nonchalant attitude about it.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's like they have a shield. They know,
Speaker 2: they know that they can do this because first of
Speaker 2: all the people that do this, the guy that applied
Speaker 2: the cement couldn't care less of what he's doing is
Speaker 2: getting paid to do a job. So it doesn't understand
Speaker 2: nothing about this. It would be a very good coincidence
Speaker 2: if it did and accept it to do the job.
Speaker 2: And who's really responsible is someone who paid and there's
Speaker 2: this puppet that agrees with it. Right, whoever is working
Speaker 2: there knows the value of those images no matter what
Speaker 2: they're trying to say. So, Uh, that's the person that
Speaker 2: I would call somewhat responsible. But what are they going
Speaker 2: to do? Quit the jobs? And then they don't have
Speaker 2: a means to sustain the sustain their families. So it's
Speaker 2: a very complicated situation. Well it's I think. I think
Speaker 2: it's interesting.
Speaker 7: You've got other worldly objects being treated with other worldly irresponsibility.
Speaker 4: Definitely exactly, Uh, Ricardo, did you did you?
Speaker 5: Did you happen to have those slides?
Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah, put them right up all right? Can you
Speaker 2: see them?
Speaker 5: M no, not yet.
Speaker 2: A press share screen just as oh no, no, now
Speaker 2: it is there. We go okay. So in this image
Speaker 2: we're seeing the expedition of the Majullum, the very famous expedition. Uh,
Speaker 2: and this is pig piglia. I can't see the name.
Speaker 2: So they were on the Yeah, they were on the
Speaker 2: ship and saw this naked giant on the shore, and
Speaker 2: so they send the guy to the shore and then
Speaker 2: appeared the wife of the giant guy. And they did
Speaker 2: a drawing of what they saw. And this is the scale.
Speaker 1: We have a similar picture like this in Aruba of
Speaker 1: when Vespucci met the giants.
Speaker 2: Actually sure, and this I can let me see, I
Speaker 2: have this. It really complicates. So this is a sign
Speaker 2: of some of the news that were pretty common when
Speaker 2: they found giants somewhere.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, that was New York Times, August seventeenth, eighteen
Speaker 5: eighty five.
Speaker 2: Eighteen eighty five. Yes, skeletons seven feet long, a race
Speaker 2: of giants in Old Gold eighteen ninety. This is all
Speaker 2: New York Times. Fine giant Indian bones, workmen on Harlan Road,
Speaker 2: on Earth, rolls of Ticus tribe, several skeletons of unusual size.
Speaker 2: Then in Malchael Creed Greek. This guy is from Sweden,
Speaker 2: the living colossus. This is giant bones in mound seven
Speaker 2: hundred years ago. Let me see if we say be size.
Speaker 1: Yes, I was just going to say they were sent
Speaker 1: to the American Indian Museum, which is part of the Smithsonian.
Speaker 2: Here we have news about a race of Indian giants.
Speaker 2: Giant skeletons found cave in Mexico gives up the bones
Speaker 2: of an ancient race, two hundred skeletons. All of these
Speaker 2: disappeared eight feet and eleven inches. So the femur alone
Speaker 2: reached the normal person on the side. Just a femur.
Speaker 5: The molders are big enough to crack a coconut.
Speaker 7: Abraham Lincoln mentioned giants and one of his speeches, sure,
Speaker 7: we're all just dumbfounded today that they, you know, don't
Speaker 7: exist or whatever. It's it's maddening, like how did they
Speaker 7: know more about the world around them back then than
Speaker 7: we do today? Look look at this fellow. Why is
Speaker 7: he not in the history book?
Speaker 2: This guy was two point six meters tall eight feet
Speaker 2: and six inches. Wow. His footwear was also legendary, and
Speaker 2: the expression Maximus's boots come to be used in popular parlance.
Speaker 2: This is ohio.
Speaker 5: Ft six inches. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think some of this gigantism might be the
Speaker 2: result of eugenics, Like if you have controlled breeding programs
Speaker 2: for you know, generation upon generation trying to get the
Speaker 2: maximum height and like muscle tone. Why not you know
Speaker 2: that could happen. Well, in my paper, the first thing
Speaker 2: I tried to convey to people is for people to
Speaker 2: understand what is a giant? Right, because most people, Oh.
Speaker 5: We lost you, we lost your ricardo for some reason.
Speaker 5: We just we lost the audio we can see you.
Speaker 5: That's weird. Yeah, all of a sudden just went out.
Speaker 5: That is so weird.
Speaker 2: The nephel.
Speaker 5: Right, Yo, it's just like I don't know oils and
Speaker 5: just cut off.
Speaker 2: No, he was about to drop a truth ball day.
Speaker 5: I'm wondering if if maybe it might be worth just
Speaker 5: leaving and coming back. Unfortunately, I don't know. Sometimes Streamyard
Speaker 5: gets a little weird. Yeah, yeah right in his paper.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I want to hear about the paper. We
Speaker 1: know the giants here in Aruba. You know, people always like, well,
Speaker 1: how big are the giants? You know, they think they're
Speaker 1: like five four fun, you know, like they're hearkening back
Speaker 1: to their childhood. But the giants here, the tallest one
Speaker 1: so far was over eight feet tall, but in the
Speaker 1: archaeological reports it stated they could be as large as
Speaker 1: twelve feet tall. So but it wasn't just their height that.
Speaker 4: Was so representative. Of them being giants.
Speaker 1: But also their width, their whole, their their bones were bigger,
Speaker 1: their muscles. They were huge people, not just by their
Speaker 1: length but by therewith and so they weren't these tall,
Speaker 1: lanky NBA players. These were massive, massive people. That also
Speaker 1: led to them being called giants. Aside from just their height, They're.
Speaker 2: Like ice age megafauna.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, very similar.
Speaker 5: Regardless. You want to try to see if now you're muted.
Speaker 5: You're muted now anyway, No, what the hell happened? That
Speaker 5: is so weird. Damn I got muted out of nowhere
Speaker 5: that as well. So sorry, sir. No, So, Heather, did
Speaker 5: you happen to notice any more funeral homes over by
Speaker 5: the Freeman's lodges?
Speaker 4: I know now I'm upseessed this.
Speaker 1: Now you have me looking all the time because we
Speaker 1: have so many Masonic temples here. Now I'm always looking
Speaker 1: where is the closest funeral?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought that was hilarious. It was like ten
Speaker 5: minutes after the show you sent me a screenshot.
Speaker 4: You're like, oh my god, yes, because now I'm like,
Speaker 4: why gosh, He's totally right.
Speaker 1: Every time there is a Masonic temple right down the street,
Speaker 1: there is a funeral home.
Speaker 4: It's just bizarre. It's actually scary. But now it's you know, addicting.
Speaker 1: Ye, once you see a Masonic temple, where's the closest
Speaker 1: funeral home? Right right?
Speaker 5: What kind of stuff do you got you have anything
Speaker 5: like moving forward that you're looking to do. I think
Speaker 5: you might have mentioned it earlier, but so, yeah, so
Speaker 5: we'll be going.
Speaker 1: To cure us out and actually the end of September,
Speaker 1: like yeah, the last week of September.
Speaker 4: I have that trip set.
Speaker 1: So that's hopefully where I can finally track down the
Speaker 1: two giant skulls that I've been looking for that were
Speaker 1: unearthed here in nineteen seventy from the Malmuk Cemetery, which
Speaker 1: is probably the largest cemetery of ancient cemetery in the
Speaker 1: entire Caribbean. They stopped digging at seventy two skeletal remains
Speaker 1: simply because they were all disintegrating. But out of this
Speaker 1: archaeological dig they were able to salvage two skulls, and
Speaker 1: those two skulls were the ones that went over to
Speaker 1: Kersau and then the Cursau Museum and then disappeared off
Speaker 1: the face of the earth. And after I went to
Speaker 1: the last known location to try to find them, they
Speaker 1: were told that I was told that they could be
Speaker 1: at the Archaeology Museum, so.
Speaker 4: I'm hoping to track them down there, So that'll be.
Speaker 1: My next adventure, still trying to find these skulls and
Speaker 1: get them back to Aruba where they belong.
Speaker 4: I would love to see them in a museum here
Speaker 4: in Aruba.
Speaker 1: I mean, even even if they would ever put them
Speaker 1: on display, you know now, you're just so worried about
Speaker 1: even if we brought them back here, would they ever
Speaker 1: make it to the main floor of the museum, or
Speaker 1: would they be banished to the basement or worse yet disappeared.
Speaker 4: So I still would love to continue the quest to
Speaker 4: find them. And now that I have this hunch that
Speaker 4: maybe they're.
Speaker 1: Still in Curisal, I'm hoping that I will be at
Speaker 1: least able to see them, but I don't know so,
Speaker 1: but it's worth it. I'll be spending a couple of
Speaker 1: days over there trying to find enough contacts that maybe
Speaker 1: can tell me about the skulls. I did meet someone
Speaker 1: who actually did see the skulls when they were at
Speaker 1: the Curasau Museum, and they mentioned to me how huge
Speaker 1: they were, so I'm very much looking forward to hopefully
Speaker 1: at least tracking them down, maybe seeing some other photos
Speaker 1: of them. The only known reports we have of them
Speaker 1: are in the Archaeological Record with some photos, and actually
Speaker 1: I think I have some of them posted on my Instagram.
Speaker 5: Oh if I follow your Instagram to check that out?
Speaker 4: Sure, Actually I think I don't.
Speaker 5: Know if I think I only know you from from Twitter,
Speaker 5: so I have to check it out your link.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I try to post different things on all my
Speaker 1: social media just to keep it interesting. But like today
Speaker 1: with the Smithsonian, I had to post about that on
Speaker 1: all my social media because I think it's so exciting.
Speaker 4: And even if it might not nothing might come of it.
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that at least we're having these discussions in
Speaker 1: the mainstream, which is really important. And of course maybe
Speaker 1: we can revisit NACRA and decide that it's not good
Speaker 1: for our human story. So even if we could just
Speaker 1: start little and move forward, I don't know. Representative Luna
Speaker 1: follows me on X so I'm hoping that you know,
Speaker 1: when I send her messages, I hope.
Speaker 4: That it influences some of her investigations in DC.
Speaker 5: I see doubt it. Uh No, No, good luck with
Speaker 5: all that stuff too in the future. I really hope
Speaker 5: there'd be some wild stuff if you can actually get
Speaker 5: your hands on that.
Speaker 4: Oh, I would love to, Yes, I would love to.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, if they would hopefully be brought back
Speaker 1: and put on display.
Speaker 4: I mean that's the other component, so you know, it's
Speaker 4: kind of balancing it.
Speaker 1: I don't know why no one in Aruba has tried
Speaker 1: to get those skulls back to Aruba all these years.
Speaker 4: It doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 1: Since nineteen seventy they've been on another island where they
Speaker 1: weren't from, and now they're not even on display anymore,
Speaker 1: and now people don't even really know where they are.
Speaker 1: So I'm not quite sure why the museum here in
Speaker 1: Aruba wouldn't have pushed for them to be brought back, unless,
Speaker 1: of course, they don't want them on display, which is
Speaker 1: probably one hundred percent the reason.
Speaker 5: I would think that. And then like, the average person
Speaker 5: probably doesn't even know the exist even like ask about so, yeah,
Speaker 5: which is unfortunate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, Well, I mean the people even here
Speaker 1: in Aruba, they didn't even know that Aruba was called
Speaker 1: the Islands of the Giants.
Speaker 4: They didn't know the whole history of what Americo's interaction
Speaker 4: with the giants or any of the details. I mean,
Speaker 4: America Respucci is a very highly detailed account of when
Speaker 4: he interacted with the giants in fourteen ninety nine. So
Speaker 4: this and he I mean very detailed and what they
Speaker 4: were wearing, what they looked like, how they interacted, what
Speaker 4: their weapons were, how big they were, how aggressive they became,
Speaker 4: how he thought he was going to die that day
Speaker 4: when he interacted with them. So these are really important.
Speaker 1: I think historical facts. I mean, I don't I can't
Speaker 1: envision Americo Verospucci adding to that story because he, just
Speaker 1: like Vanderbilt, considered himself a historian and our archae kind
Speaker 1: of an amateur archaeologist in a way, an anthropologist, and
Speaker 1: wanted to gather all this information to share to people
Speaker 1: with people, you know, wanted people to know about these
Speaker 1: things from all over the world that general people couldn't
Speaker 1: have access to. So, you know, his account for me,
Speaker 1: and in the archaeological report that analyzes the Bonair skeleton,
Speaker 1: which is actually a giant skeleton that hopefully to this
Speaker 1: day is still on display. Last year was I went
Speaker 1: to the museum in Bonair and it was still on display,
Speaker 1: and that archaeological report written about the Bonair skeletons actually
Speaker 1: called the Bonair Skeleton.
Speaker 4: That report was written in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1: The conclusion of the investigators was that Vespuci's account of
Speaker 1: the giants seems to be real and that there were
Speaker 1: giants on the island. That's an actual quote from the
Speaker 1: investigators in the archaeological report.
Speaker 4: So I also have the confirmation from the head.
Speaker 1: Of the archaeology museum in Bonaire who told me that, yes,
Speaker 1: indeed it was a giant skeleton. Yes, oh, I see
Speaker 1: you a post about Solomon Islands. Oh, yes, the Solomon
Speaker 1: Islands are.
Speaker 4: To me, that's one of the craziest places.
Speaker 1: I would love to go to, the Solomon Islands, and
Speaker 1: because they have to this day, the local people speak
Speaker 1: of the giants on one particular island of the Solomon
Speaker 1: Islands that they don't go to, none of them go to.
Speaker 4: And there were reports, I believe maybe I spoke.
Speaker 1: Last time about this, about how the giants had kidnapped
Speaker 1: one of the village village.
Speaker 4: Girls, young girls, and brought them.
Speaker 1: The giants brought them into their tribe type atmosphere on
Speaker 1: their island and she became like half giant half I mean,
Speaker 1: even though she wasn't a giant, we.
Speaker 4: Get to act like them.
Speaker 1: And then she made it with a giant and had
Speaker 1: a high child, and allegedly it was just recently that
Speaker 1: the child died. And the people of the Solomon Islands,
Speaker 1: when they speak of the giants, they speak of the
Speaker 1: giants as if they are real, not like they're a myth,
Speaker 1: not like there are some sort of a fantasy or
Speaker 1: some strange story, but that they are actually real and
Speaker 1: and they're and they're frightened of them.
Speaker 5: Mhm.
Speaker 2: That is fascinating. So what do you think it is
Speaker 2: about islands and giants?
Speaker 7: Right? It's it's always the islands, right, you think about
Speaker 7: ancient Greece, they talk about uh, you know when uh
Speaker 7: in the Odyssey, Odysseus comes across the island of these
Speaker 7: one eyed giants. Right, And so you've got that theme
Speaker 7: over and over again of giants and islands.
Speaker 4: It's very strange.
Speaker 1: You know, the only thing I could ever think of
Speaker 1: about that is that some thing happened. Either they were
Speaker 1: forced out of somewhere, either by threats of violence, either
Speaker 1: by some cataclysmic event, and that they believed maybe islands.
Speaker 4: I mean, even look at Easter Island Rapanui, same thing.
Speaker 1: There were reports of giants on Easter Islands, so that
Speaker 1: maybe they fled to these islands and for safety purposes.
Speaker 1: They were able to patrol these islands very easily. There
Speaker 1: were tall people, they could see people coming very easily,
Speaker 1: and I think that it afforded them protection, I would think,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure. But it is strange that there
Speaker 1: is this connection between islands and giants, and repeatedly, over
Speaker 1: and over we hear about giants on islands, ancient giants
Speaker 1: living on islands, and interestingly, they all kind of looked
Speaker 1: alike too, huge people, elongated skulls. So I'm thinking there
Speaker 1: was some sort of event that forced them to flee
Speaker 1: to these islands for some sort of protection, and that
Speaker 1: these islands provided the perfect way to protect themselves as
Speaker 1: well as police the area around.
Speaker 4: The islands to make sure that they weren't interfered with.
Speaker 4: That's the only thing I can come up with.
Speaker 7: I think it could have to do with the energies,
Speaker 7: because you know, these people seem connected to something otherworldly, right,
Speaker 7: and these islands generally where they congregate, have massive you
Speaker 7: know energetic spikes. This is also where we get the
Speaker 7: concept of cyclopean architecture, right that's named directly after the Cyclopsis.
Speaker 1: So yes, true, and we're also we just actually on Monday,
Speaker 1: we had an earthquake here. We have a lot of
Speaker 1: earthquakes here in Aruba. We are on a major fault line,
Speaker 1: and through fault lines usually energy comes out. So for example,
Speaker 1: the balance stone in North Salem, New York, which I
Speaker 1: just recently saw a couple of weeks ago, again, that
Speaker 1: is on a major fault line, and there could be.
Speaker 4: This electricity that's formed from.
Speaker 1: This massive stone on top of these little smaller stones
Speaker 1: and the fault line, and there's a water like a
Speaker 1: creek nearby, a small creek. So maybe the connection of
Speaker 1: all three of these could either create an energetic field,
Speaker 1: create a.
Speaker 4: Portal as something of this nature.
Speaker 1: Because we have a lot of things like that here
Speaker 1: too in Aruba, with balanced stones and fault lines.
Speaker 2: It's the same formula for a mound site too.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and we have in Aruba tons of mounts,
Speaker 4: most of which have been destroyed. This is so funny.
Speaker 1: So the archaeologists here supposed to protect the land, so
Speaker 1: before they build all these massive hotels here they have
Speaker 1: the archaeologists come and so there are burials that they
Speaker 1: just green lit every building of every hotel, over all
Speaker 1: these ancient burial sites of shell middens. So these people
Speaker 1: in Aruba, they had shell middens that were definitely for refuse.
Speaker 1: And if you see the shell middens that are still
Speaker 1: in existence on the island, you can tell right away
Speaker 1: there for refuse.
Speaker 4: So you could find.
Speaker 1: Ash in there, old pottery, old conch shells that had
Speaker 1: been opened, et cetera, from extinct species, actually oyster shells
Speaker 1: that have been opened. But then you'll see the burial mounds,
Speaker 1: the burial shell mounds, which are entirely different, completely different construction,
Speaker 1: a lot more with grave gifts such as bones, animal bones.
Speaker 4: Very rare shells for that time, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But the they are all mounds, and they're all in
Speaker 1: these very highly considered highly energetic places by limestone, for example,
Speaker 1: which has crystalline properties. So I think that there is
Speaker 1: a connection between where these locations are, especially megalithic sites, and.
Speaker 4: Where the energy is. I agree with you, especially with
Speaker 4: the mounds. It's the same. It's the same concept over
Speaker 4: and over again.
Speaker 2: Was back and you hear me, no, yes, yes, it
Speaker 2: wasn't Odyssey to come back here. No, No, I have
Speaker 2: to I have to answer a Microsoft QUESTIONNAIREY in order
Speaker 2: to enter back in the computer. Then I was kicked
Speaker 2: out of Google. Then I was kicked out of X
Speaker 2: because the link is on No, no, I am. I
Speaker 2: apologize for this. And now my screen is extremely dark
Speaker 2: and I don't understand what's going on. So I know
Speaker 2: I have something to increase it.
Speaker 5: You know, one thing I did want to just add
Speaker 5: to what you're saying, Heather, and I mean even headless
Speaker 5: between what I mean. I know Ricardo showed a newspaper
Speaker 5: before and even Gregory Little on the show have both
Speaker 5: mentioned mounds with giants bones being found in them.
Speaker 4: Two.
Speaker 5: So it's interesting with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Gregory is you know a lot of the
Speaker 1: artifacts that he finds in that are well, we're in museums.
Speaker 1: He also made a post recently about how a lot
Speaker 1: of these artifacts are disappearing from the museums and are
Speaker 1: being replaced with art.
Speaker 4: You know, this is the new thing.
Speaker 1: These archaeology museums are becoming art museums out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: And he showed a lot of the of the artifacts
Speaker 1: are actually not even the artifacts themselves. They're duplicates, so
Speaker 1: they're replicas. And this is another trend that's happening that
Speaker 1: they're having replicas and sell the actual artifact on display,
Speaker 1: which I have no idea what the.
Speaker 4: Reason he is behind them, but he has been sorely.
Speaker 1: Disappointed when he's been circling back to some of these
Speaker 1: museums at the at the disappearance of these artifacts and
Speaker 1: then being replaced with art. And he does not blame,
Speaker 1: but he credits a lot of these disappearances to Nagpra
Speaker 1: and how the Native American populations are asking for these
Speaker 1: things back and they're giving them back, and sometimes they're
Speaker 1: even being reburied, which is just ridiculous.
Speaker 7: I had a depressing thought, what would you do before
Speaker 7: a cataclysm the old stuff and put it into the
Speaker 7: into the bonkers, right, yeah, get all the good stuff
Speaker 7: and put it in the bonkers right.
Speaker 4: Always?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's always the case before any sort of war
Speaker 1: or anything, these things.
Speaker 4: Are hidden and safely kept. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: No, it's a possibility, courl you know, if there are
Speaker 5: situations with mounts and the giants, well.
Speaker 2: I think I think Heather summarize it pretty well with
Speaker 2: what's going on, is they when they find them, either
Speaker 2: they don't record them, make the records of them at all,
Speaker 2: or they just hide them again where they were, or
Speaker 2: they just disappeared so we don't find them that Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: there's not much to say beyond the few reports we have,
Speaker 2: and most of them are mouths to mouth because they
Speaker 2: don't don't make it records of them, So it's it's
Speaker 2: pretty much impossible to follow up unless we know where
Speaker 2: they were and you can go there and see if
Speaker 2: they're there. The problem is we can't go beyond the
Speaker 2: doors because they don't let us in. So it's a
Speaker 2: very situation, a very hard situation to turn into our favor.
Speaker 4: So have you had Fritz Zimmerman.
Speaker 5: On your showed? Actually, oh no, it might be thinking
Speaker 5: of somebody else.
Speaker 1: He's also done extensive work with the giants, particularly as
Speaker 1: it pertains to mounds in the United States, and he
Speaker 1: posted on Facebook or x recently and I responded that
Speaker 1: there was a drawing at Grave Creek Mound, which I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever been to Grave Creek Mount,
Speaker 1: but it's absolutely fascinating and within that mound we're found giants.
Speaker 4: And they have a very nice.
Speaker 1: Museum there, well it was at that time, and this
Speaker 1: was a couple of years ago, who knows now. And
Speaker 1: in the museum, in the center of the museum, they
Speaker 1: have an entire exhibit saying that there were never any
Speaker 1: giants in the mounds.
Speaker 4: I mean, they go out of their.
Speaker 1: Way to tell you there were no giants, and they
Speaker 1: show a picture from an illustration from I guess the
Speaker 1: newspaper in the eighteen hundreds of these a mother and
Speaker 1: a child looking at this skeleton on display, and the
Speaker 1: original drawing. The original illustration showed a giant skeleton, a
Speaker 1: huge giant skeleton.
Speaker 4: In the daughter or tiny little figures at.
Speaker 1: The base looking up at the giant. And then in
Speaker 1: this quote unquote giant display now in the museum at
Speaker 1: the Grave Creek Mound which is called Moundsville, West Virginia,
Speaker 1: they took that drawing and made the giant like a
Speaker 1: normal size person, completely altered the original artwork and used
Speaker 1: it as proof that there were never any giants in
Speaker 1: the mounds, when in essence they've completely lied, altered the evidence,
Speaker 1: and now are bending over backwards to try to tell
Speaker 1: you like crazy that there were never any giants in
Speaker 1: the mound.
Speaker 4: It's just sorry, it's just even this small. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's not a small museum.
Speaker 1: It's actually it's an impressive museum, quite frankly. But and
Speaker 1: the Grave Creek Mound is just your jaw drops when
Speaker 1: you see it. You can believe that hardly anyone knows
Speaker 1: about this thing.
Speaker 4: And it's so massive. Okay, it's in an isolated part
Speaker 4: of West Virginia. It's not very.
Speaker 7: Either, but I've been there. I was actually at a
Speaker 7: lock and at the prison right across from the mound.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that prison is so I was always asking,
Speaker 1: I wonder if the prison is haunted.
Speaker 2: Because they hated tours of it.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, because it's right by the barrel mounts,
Speaker 1: so you know, there were other mounds that they destroyed.
Speaker 4: It with that prison.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, that place was haunted. I mean the shadows all
Speaker 7: over that place were just jumping. You could see it
Speaker 7: with your flashlight and everything had a lot of energy.
Speaker 4: Wow. So did you go to the museum.
Speaker 7: This is in the middle of the night, so I
Speaker 7: only saw it from across the street and I'm like,
Speaker 7: what is that over there? I walked across the street
Speaker 7: and it's this massive mound, and I start seeing these
Speaker 7: sides for it and stuff. But they don't really take
Speaker 7: too good a care of it, you know, No, they
Speaker 7: just thought I was there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, they they don't.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I have no idea why, but you're right,
Speaker 1: it's they don't maintain it very well.
Speaker 4: It's funny.
Speaker 1: I was saying the same thing to my daughter. I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe that they weren't maintained. I mean, to me,
Speaker 1: it's I don't even know why. It's more interesting than
Speaker 1: Disney World. I mean, this place is so strange and
Speaker 1: the energy is weird, and it's surrounded by mounds.
Speaker 4: I mean, there were mounds everywhere.
Speaker 1: And then once you see the mounds, you can't stop
Speaker 1: seeing the mountain everywhere you going.
Speaker 4: Just you know, across the street is Ohio very close.
Speaker 4: It's very close to Oho Ohio.
Speaker 1: Border, and you'll see cemeteries all built on top of mounds,
Speaker 1: which modern cemeteries.
Speaker 4: It's very, very strange, riddled with mounds, and no one
Speaker 4: even really knows about it.
Speaker 1: It's very sad, actually, because it's a fascinating part of
Speaker 1: the human story.
Speaker 4: Are the burial mounds and it's global. Burial mounds are everywhere.
Speaker 2: Driving through that topography really reminded me of going out
Speaker 2: to Older Riby. Have you ever been out there?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: I haven't.
Speaker 7: Oh Older Riby is great. It's sort of like all
Speaker 7: these canyon areas. And I went out there to see
Speaker 7: it was like January of two thousand and one, and
Speaker 7: they actually you know, invited us in even though it
Speaker 7: was in the off season, and we got to participate
Speaker 7: the naming ceremony for a small child there.
Speaker 1: So wow. It reminds me also if the I always wondered,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if it's you know, this is
Speaker 1: just me always thinking.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know if you've.
Speaker 1: Been in Washington State to the Polue, those massive they
Speaker 1: look the same as burial mounds.
Speaker 4: I mean, no one can understand where did they come from?
Speaker 1: They what was the geo in terms of geography and topography,
Speaker 1: doesn't they don't even make sense.
Speaker 4: It's just this patch of land where it's just these
Speaker 4: I mean they look all like Grave Creek Mound after.
Speaker 1: Grave Creek Round, after Great Creek Mound, and actually there's
Speaker 1: this steepest hill they call them hills, steepest hills farmed
Speaker 1: in North America and all over. They have they have
Speaker 1: science like to not tip the tractors because they're so steep,
Speaker 1: and they actually have to have different devices on their
Speaker 1: tractors so that they don't flip over them and kill
Speaker 1: the farmer, which happens often in this area.
Speaker 4: Of Washington there, Washington State, Yes, Washington State. It's called
Speaker 4: the Polue. They're very streams. Yes, And I'm always wondering
Speaker 4: if they were burial mounts.
Speaker 1: I just recently saw a whole special on them, and
Speaker 1: and the geologist was trying to figure out why were
Speaker 1: they even in the specific area, what was the geological
Speaker 1: occurrence that made them form? And more questions and answers
Speaker 1: of course.
Speaker 2: But there's mounts or rock mounts there I.
Speaker 4: Believes are earth because they're farmed.
Speaker 2: Okay, So and and that did that program you watch
Speaker 2: mention any alignments because it's easy to find if there
Speaker 2: are mounds, because if they are, they are aligned right.
Speaker 1: Yes, they didn't mention it because there was more like
Speaker 1: a mainstream type show just kind of mentioning this strange
Speaker 1: geologic formation and how they were. You know that they
Speaker 1: didn't know where they came from. It wasn't very in
Speaker 1: depth like a conversation we would have. But if I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would love to know if there are alignments.
Speaker 2: I have no ideas, and I think it's a very
Speaker 2: simple thing for everyone to do. Is if it's think
Speaker 2: you're watching a mound, see if it is a linear mound,
Speaker 2: if it is an effigy mount, if it is around linear,
Speaker 2: et cetera, and try to figure out where its direction,
Speaker 2: and just either with your phone or with a compass,
Speaker 2: just see I feed the lines with the north, southeast
Speaker 2: or west, and most likely if it is east or west,
Speaker 2: and if you follow its direction, you will find another mound.
Speaker 2: And then you'll find another mound. Sometimes you walk a
Speaker 2: long time, other times it's just nearby and you'll find them.
Speaker 1: So you can use the stun Seeker app. And the
Speaker 1: Sunseeker app is great because you can put in any
Speaker 1: date and it will tell you if you know, for example,
Speaker 1: the summer sostice in five hundred BC, for example, and
Speaker 1: you can aim it towards the direction where you think
Speaker 1: the alignment is and it will tell you if there's
Speaker 1: an alignment or not. Yeah, so it's it's very helpful.
Speaker 1: I've found so many alignments here in Aruba through that app. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I believe it's free, but I don't remember because
Speaker 1: I paid for so.
Speaker 4: Many apps I don't even know.
Speaker 1: I don't even about one and now this is the
Speaker 1: ticket and don't tell me about it. So I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if it's free or not. But it is something
Speaker 1: I use in the field all the time, and it's
Speaker 1: and it's accurate.
Speaker 4: That's a good tool, Yes, excellent tool.
Speaker 2: And do you know anything about the Mammoth Cave? Weren't
Speaker 2: there found also those redhead dry Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if it was Matt was at Mammoth.
Speaker 4: I know in Nevada. It was actually in the New
Speaker 4: York Post recently. I have that on my X account recently.
Speaker 4: They was posted in New York Post about the Lovelock Giants.
Speaker 4: And yes, and it was in the New York Post.
Speaker 4: And that's why, and that's kind.
Speaker 1: Of why I posted the article from Esquire today too,
Speaker 1: which actually X gave me a very hard time. They
Speaker 1: would not let me share the article from Esquire, so
Speaker 1: I posted that in the posts too. They kept saying,
Speaker 1: putting it in draft, putting it in draft, putting it
Speaker 1: in draft, would not let me post it somehow, Facebook
Speaker 1: let me post it. But that's another strange thing. Why
Speaker 1: aren't you This is Esquire magazine. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: something strange.
Speaker 4: But nonetheless, so that was about the giants. The New
Speaker 4: York Post was.
Speaker 1: The first article. That was a couple of months ago.
Speaker 1: Then a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4: I forget which newspaper.
Speaker 1: I think it might have been a post again, but
Speaker 1: I posted on my ex as well, posted about how
Speaker 1: this Roman grave was found and the person in it
Speaker 1: must have been a giant because they found giant shoes.
Speaker 1: So they talk on and on about these the giant
Speaker 1: accouterments of this alleged giant. So that's another that mainstream
Speaker 1: legacy media again talking about giants. And now this whole
Speaker 1: thing in Esquire magazine about the Smithsonian, how this congressman
Speaker 1: believes that there are giant bones that the Smithsonian. So
Speaker 1: to me, it's like drip, drip, drip, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like the slow disclosure, the soft disclosure about the giants.
Speaker 1: Because I've never seen so much legacy media broadcasting or
Speaker 1: writing about the giants at all ever since I've been
Speaker 1: studying the giants, and now it's almost twenty.
Speaker 2: Years I'm not trying to be negative, but there's a
Speaker 2: lot of hype about uh U, A, p S and
Speaker 2: w FOS for sixty years, right, with ups and downs,
Speaker 2: and the results is just the same.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we're talking about.
Speaker 7: Me and Nick, we're talking about the perfect ending to
Speaker 7: this whole thing where they pull out the arc of
Speaker 7: the Covenant and then they aim it at the UFOs
Speaker 7: that are coming to destroy Earth and they've blasted. That's
Speaker 7: the perfect ending for what we're going through.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I think we were saying it was there
Speaker 5: was the Covenant that the Knights Temple found too, right,
Speaker 5: they're claiming that they found You're gonna save us, They're
Speaker 5: gonna bless UFOs out of the sky.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that that love lock story. If I recall correctly,
Speaker 2: they the population of the time, because they were cannibals,
Speaker 2: managed to who gathered a few survivors into a cave,
Speaker 2: blocked the cave and then made a fire and killed
Speaker 2: them inside. Yes, it's that it right, That's how I
Speaker 2: call it.
Speaker 1: And there are and still they and they found bones
Speaker 1: in there. So they found archaeological remains, so skeleton remains
Speaker 1: and also artifacts. So it was interesting why all of
Speaker 1: a sudden out of nowhere, the New York Post is
Speaker 1: writing about the Lovelock Cave and scientists still baffled by
Speaker 1: giant bones found in cave in Nevada. I think that
Speaker 1: was kind of paraphrasing the headline, and I just thought
Speaker 1: it was so strange and out of nowhere that this
Speaker 1: was posted. Same with this Roman giant skeleton on Earth
Speaker 1: with giant shoes and that he must have been a giant.
Speaker 4: And now this congressman talking about giants.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 1: I think it's hoping we're turning a corner in the
Speaker 1: in the field of giants, because I think if we
Speaker 1: unlocked the giants, we can.
Speaker 4: Unlock a lot more too.
Speaker 1: And don't forget with the UAP phenomena quote unquote that
Speaker 1: giants are attributed a lot to extraterrestrial interactions. A lot
Speaker 1: of times people say they were they saw giants coming
Speaker 1: from a UFO, or the people were giants and they
Speaker 1: were so yeah, giant sized people interacting with giant sized people.
Speaker 4: I can't recall it was. I believe it was the
Speaker 4: president of Grenada who spoke about his interaction with giant
Speaker 4: a giant a UFO that landed on a beach and
Speaker 4: giants came out.
Speaker 1: I believe it was him, and then he ended up
Speaker 1: dead the president or ousted or something shortly thereafter he
Speaker 1: was disappeared. But it was a strange story, rather recent
Speaker 1: and recent times, but that it was a UFO landed
Speaker 1: and these giants came out and he interacted.
Speaker 4: With them, and they were over eight feet tall.
Speaker 1: So I hope that we're not They're not going to
Speaker 1: glomb the giants, the ancient giants in with these UFO
Speaker 1: alien giants and try to confuse everything, you know how
Speaker 1: sometimes they do that too, to even discredit things further.
Speaker 2: Shoe hoard it all in there. If it happens, I'm
Speaker 2: dove for it.
Speaker 5: Shoeharn it, yes, shovel it out.
Speaker 2: Before the New York Times we had lots of reports
Speaker 2: of them. So just briefly, we have the whole city
Speaker 2: of Basham. If people go and look, the houses are huge,
Speaker 2: the doors are huge. Everything seems to be made for
Speaker 2: different kind of people. So, and it's from two thousand BC.
Speaker 2: We then have let Me Go Down in the fifteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: That's the image we saw from Antonio Pigafetta. Now I
Speaker 2: said the name correctly in the nineteenth century. Let me
Speaker 2: see what I found here. So, for instance, in eighteen
Speaker 2: eighty we have a skeleton which is reported to have
Speaker 2: been of enormous dimensions, was found in a clay coffin
Speaker 2: with a sandstone slab containing hieroglyphs during mound explorations by
Speaker 2: doctor Everhart near Zandsville, Ohio. So this is from the
Speaker 2: American antiquarian. Then we have ten skeletons of both sexes
Speaker 2: and of gigantic size. We're taken from a mound at Warrent,
Speaker 2: Minnesota in eighteen eighty three. So a skeleton seven feet
Speaker 2: and six inteens long was found in a massive stone
Speaker 2: structure that was linked to a temple chamber within a
Speaker 2: mound in Kanawacha Country, West Virginia eighteen eighty four. So
Speaker 2: I could read them all, but I don't know to
Speaker 2: put people. So this is all reports that are not fake.
Speaker 4: They are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's a lot of material in this regard.
Speaker 2: So we are not talking about something that is woo.
Speaker 2: Giants are real saying, right, And what I was mentioning
Speaker 2: before is people shouldn't confuse gigantism with actual giants because
Speaker 2: people that suffer from gigantism. They look like giants, but
Speaker 2: they are deep. They are not proportional. The heads are huge,
Speaker 2: the hands are huge. There is something there that's not proportional.
Speaker 2: A true giant will be completely proportional and not like that,
Speaker 2: so it won't die of disease at young age like
Speaker 2: people that unfortunately they have gigantism do and so on,
Speaker 2: so the different types. What I can say is, and
Speaker 2: I have had less mention, this is that that people
Speaker 2: that suffer from gigantism, there is a recessive gene coming
Speaker 2: from this line of giants that's somehow interacted with the
Speaker 2: line and this like twins that jumps generations, This jumps
Speaker 2: for probably much more a lot of mat generations, but
Speaker 2: it researches somehow, and people have this medical condition that
Speaker 2: I think comes from that. It's debatable, but it's it's
Speaker 2: just my opinion. They sequenced the DNA on the tridactyls
Speaker 2: and found that they contained a rare gene for polydactyle, yeah,
Speaker 2: which could mean more than one finger or less than
Speaker 2: you know, five fingers. So yeah, that's an interesting connection
Speaker 2: between the six fingers, the six toes, the double rows,
Speaker 2: of tens and the genes of the frog. How do
Speaker 2: we include that in an intelligent creature because it also
Speaker 2: has frog genes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the moon and in Philadelphia, which is also
Speaker 1: a medical university museum, not museum research center.
Speaker 4: Essentially you can go there.
Speaker 1: The public can go there, and and there are all
Speaker 1: sorts of genetic oddities. You know, babies with two heads.
Speaker 1: They did actually the day I was there. I've been
Speaker 1: there twice. The first time I went there was a
Speaker 1: whole shrunken head exhibit which was quite interesting from people's
Speaker 1: private collections. All the heads were from private collections, which
Speaker 1: again ties.
Speaker 4: Back to maybe selling off artifacts.
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, they also have a giant skeleton on display there.
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to take pictures in the museum, but
Speaker 1: somehow I got pictures of me with the giant skeleton,
Speaker 1: which maybe I will post. But this skeleton clearly has
Speaker 1: agro megley because they're not not proportionate.
Speaker 4: You know, it has a hunt back and the arms
Speaker 4: are longer.
Speaker 1: You know, they're not the right proportion And you can
Speaker 1: tell right away that this, I mean, it was very
Speaker 1: very large skeleton.
Speaker 4: I believe it's almost nine feet.
Speaker 1: Tall, but you can tell that it definitely is not
Speaker 1: the same as the giants who were very well proportioned.
Speaker 1: And in all the reports, including the reports here in
Speaker 1: Aruba of people on earthingness, they're giants or Vespucci for example,
Speaker 1: coming across the real live giants in the fourteen hundreds,
Speaker 1: they talk about the proportions of the giants and how
Speaker 1: proportionate they were. Well proportioned is always an adjective that
Speaker 1: goes along with the giants when their remains are found
Speaker 1: or they're interactive with in the case of Vespucci. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you can definitely tell right away the difference between and
Speaker 1: someone suffering from agra magle and then someone who or
Speaker 1: who is actually genetically a.
Speaker 2: Giant exactly in terms of and and I think hatlasts
Speaker 2: will be much better than me. And this according to
Speaker 2: religious records. This is what I hope it's on screen.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's it's the nephil. Yeah, so that's holid,
Speaker 2: it's frants according to them.
Speaker 7: Well, it's it's kind of interesting because they had different
Speaker 7: names for them before and after the flood. So before
Speaker 7: the flood they were called Nephelim, and then after the
Speaker 7: flood they were called Rapaying and You've got a lot
Speaker 7: of these mounds over in Israel that are attributed to Og,
Speaker 7: king Ogg, one of these giants, right, well, they called
Speaker 7: them king Og, but it's Gog didn't make but King
Speaker 7: Og was supposedly a giant that was a Phoenician in
Speaker 7: this land. And again there's this huge Phoenician connection to.
Speaker 2: The New World.
Speaker 7: That is uh, you know, it's hard to ignore how
Speaker 7: much the Bible talks about giants associated with the Canonits
Speaker 7: and Phoenicians, and also how much the Canits and Phoenicians
Speaker 7: influenced the New World. You know, there's there's that crossover there.
Speaker 2: Too, exactly. That's well spunted.
Speaker 4: Yeah, where is this ricarded? Where is this? This this
Speaker 4: from what you've posted here, I mean, what you're what
Speaker 4: you have up here?
Speaker 2: Oh, it's just from my records.
Speaker 4: Very interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is very incomplete because this is this is
Speaker 2: just a biblical perspective, right right, It's just put in
Speaker 2: in a way that is simple to understand. Mh.
Speaker 5: Is there anything else you wanted to bring up, Heather,
Speaker 5: or any questions anybody had Excuse.
Speaker 1: Me, you know, I wanted to just bring up that
Speaker 1: I'm I'm still doing tours of the giants here in Aruba,
Speaker 1: if anyone is.
Speaker 4: In Aruba and is interested, and I'm in talks now.
Speaker 1: With a major tour company here in Aruba who will
Speaker 1: hopefully be promoting my tours. So I'm hopeful that some
Speaker 1: of you, if you're here, you'll come take a tour
Speaker 1: with me and I show you the ancient burial ground
Speaker 1: where the giants were buried.
Speaker 4: I'll show you a refuse shell midden versus.
Speaker 1: A burial shell midden, and I'll show you two burial
Speaker 1: shell middens, as well as the megaliths and monoliths that
Speaker 1: also have celestial and astrological, astronomical and astrological.
Speaker 4: Occurrences, alignments significance.
Speaker 1: It's a great tour and I you know, I'm adding
Speaker 1: more and more to it every day, and it can
Speaker 1: be altered to do if you're into hiking, I can
Speaker 1: do a hike and include a hike with it. They're
Speaker 1: very flexible tours, and I just really enjoy sharing all
Speaker 1: of the knowledge and information I've accumulated for over twenty
Speaker 1: years with people who are visiting here, and so I
Speaker 1: just wanted to mention that if anyone's in Aruba, that
Speaker 1: I'd love to take them on a tour.
Speaker 5: Good thank you, hell us or jin or Ricardo. Do
Speaker 5: you have anything you want to add?
Speaker 2: Orsk, I'm trying to share just the image of the
Speaker 2: unborn elongated skull.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: But I have one hundred and sixty seven books and
Speaker 2: papers on this folder alone, so slowly, just give me
Speaker 2: a second because I know it from the cover, but
Speaker 2: I need to see the cover to know which one
Speaker 2: is it?
Speaker 8: So okay, no, there it is. Okay, I found it awesome.
Speaker 8: I just need to share it now, no second, share screen?
Speaker 8: Is it in the window? It isn't some type of screen?
Speaker 2: It is, sure? Can you see it? Yes? Okay, So
Speaker 2: this is an actual academic paper and large it so
Speaker 2: elongated skulling neutral farewell to the artificial cranium deformation paradigm. Finally,
Speaker 2: so we had to be a Russian. But uh so
Speaker 2: this is from the Martin collection and this is the
Speaker 2: skull number, just for you to get an idea how
Speaker 2: many skulls of this there are. This is call four
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety six of this collection. Okay, so this
Speaker 2: is how it looks. This is from Peruvian Antiquities from
Speaker 2: eighteen fifty one. These are artificially modified heads. So you
Speaker 2: can see the difference. I think it's very clear when
Speaker 2: it's when it's made by pressing wood planks on the
Speaker 2: brain or even bind it as they do in Africa.
Speaker 2: From very timely age. You can see the difference in
Speaker 2: the skull. So you cannot obtain this length by putting
Speaker 2: plates on the skull because you don't grow bone.
Speaker 1: You just roll.
Speaker 2: The spine hooks up to the skull in a different place,
Speaker 2: completely different.
Speaker 1: Yes, And the same occurrences here with the giants here too,
Speaker 1: because the brain case is so heavy that the spine
Speaker 1: has to the neck has to go further back into
Speaker 1: the skull to account for the heaviness of the back
Speaker 1: of the skull, And the same case happened here in Aruba. Actually,
Speaker 1: the archaeologists went crazy trying to find any evidence of
Speaker 1: of headboarding or headbinding, and they finally had to admit
Speaker 1: in one of the archaeological reports. I believe it was
Speaker 1: the one about Kanaschito Caves where they found several burials
Speaker 1: with elongated skull giants that they finally admitted that they
Speaker 1: must have been genetically elongated skulls and not the result
Speaker 1: of artificial cranial deformation. And then finally, the other part
Speaker 1: of the story is they found a pregnant giant with
Speaker 1: a fetus, and the fetus had an elongated skull. So
Speaker 1: that was the nail in the coffin against artificial cranial deformation,
Speaker 1: because in a child, a baby, if you're going to
Speaker 1: artificially deform their skull to be elongated, it will take
Speaker 1: six months for that skull to be elongated to start
Speaker 1: to show the signs of elongation. So since the fetus
Speaker 1: had an elongated skull, it was evident that they were
Speaker 1: genetically inclined to have elongated skulls.
Speaker 2: Yes, and if you look at the image on the right,
Speaker 2: when you see the skull from the front, those that
Speaker 2: are familiar with supposedly star child from the Late White Pie,
Speaker 2: which might also be an unborn feeders. You considered it
Speaker 2: a small alien, but I think it's unborn fetus with
Speaker 2: an elongated head because if this is very reminiscent of
Speaker 2: what the star Child is called.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's what it reminded me of. The Star Child.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's also yeah, so possibly another unborn feeders with
Speaker 2: a aalogated head. And you can see that the where
Speaker 2: the I don't know how you call these lines because
Speaker 2: in English are they call it.
Speaker 4: The futures the sutures.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you see that the sutures, this has not
Speaker 2: been deformed in any way. That's exactly how the brain
Speaker 2: is the skull. Sorry, there's no deformation here. Wow. So
Speaker 2: unfortunately there's only one paper about this. It should be many.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a subject that can can make you
Speaker 2: get out of funding. So as a mentor, so.
Speaker 4: The one I.
Speaker 1: Mentioned her briefly, the head of the Tropical Museum in
Speaker 1: Amsterdam who came over to Carouse out to investigate the
Speaker 1: two giant skulls and we're on Earth from.
Speaker 4: Aruba heard she wrote an archaeological report which I have,
Speaker 4: which I have, thank goodness. It took me years to
Speaker 4: get a hold.
Speaker 1: She mentioned that the next step should be some sort
Speaker 1: of carbon fourteen dating. At the time, of course, they
Speaker 1: didn't have DNA analysis, and so she went on a
Speaker 1: plane because she was an expert in elongated skulls and
Speaker 1: she was going down to Peru to do further research
Speaker 1: on elongated skulls. And so her last recommendation on the
Speaker 1: paper is to try to do some dating on the skulls,
Speaker 1: and then she gets on a plane to go to
Speaker 1: South America and the plane crashes and she dies. So
Speaker 1: I just think it's kind of I don't know. I
Speaker 1: always thought it was so strange. You know, here is
Speaker 1: this woman who has a very prominent job, and she
Speaker 1: was the only person of her authority and of her
Speaker 1: stature as being an anthropologist who was willing to come
Speaker 1: and investigate the skulls, and soon after her investigation, she
Speaker 1: dies in a plane crash. So I always thought that
Speaker 1: was kind of interesting because it's a similar funding.
Speaker 4: Being pulled and this whole.
Speaker 2: Kind of I mean, maybe this was just an accident
Speaker 2: and it probably but well, Heather, I think people already
Speaker 2: know that. I usually say this coincidence, explaining.
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, there's no conspiracies there, it's no coincidence exactly.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, uh, I think maybe we'll just wrap
Speaker 5: it up here. Guys on mind, anybody's got something else
Speaker 5: to say? You speak, Yeah, no, that was great stuff.
Speaker 5: Thank you for both of you. Uh yeah, before we
Speaker 5: wrap it up all and everybody plug their own work again.
Speaker 5: Uh head, looks my man, please mind everybody about this
Speaker 5: email to you? Got it?
Speaker 7: Yeah, this was a mind blowing episode. I love talking
Speaker 7: about the giants. We're so close, you know, we can
Speaker 7: get it over the finish line, I think. So, I mean,
Speaker 7: people know about this stuff. It's right in front of
Speaker 7: their faces, you know. I mean, how much longer can
Speaker 7: we just keep denying this stuff? But anyways, you can
Speaker 7: reach me at the Headless Giant podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 7: If you've got any strange, paranormal or spooky dream stories,
Speaker 7: so send them there and I'll do it on Thursdays.
Speaker 7: So check that show as well.
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you sir, and.
Speaker 3: Gin then Ninja is thank you boss, and thank you
Speaker 3: so much other It was really great to hear this.
Speaker 3: And also we're Cardo head lists and I learned a lot,
Speaker 3: so this was more of a Gin sitting back and learning.
Speaker 3: But it's cool. I you know, exchend your mind, everything speculative,
Speaker 3: all reality, so I can I can hang. So if
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Speaker 3: who was in the chat as well as Joseph. Both
Speaker 3: of them are co hosts on and The Gray Lodge
Speaker 3: and also brother Dingbat. So thank you guys, and also
Speaker 3: if you're interested, check us out Friday Night Live.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Hell yeah, yeah, I think we'll be might possibly be
Speaker 5: having the brand to join us in the next Kabala
Speaker 5: episode too, So something right, isn't that what you say? Agin?
Speaker 3: I would like? Yeah, I told I told him please come,
Speaker 3: and I asked, obviously asked Nick for you know, the boss.
Speaker 3: I had to ask the Boss. But yeah, hopefully we'll
Speaker 3: set that up and if not, we'll have him come
Speaker 3: on an episode really soon.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, and hopefully we'll be also having Matt,
Speaker 5: so yeah, definitely check out the Kabala hopefully within the
Speaker 5: next few weeks. I think I was trying to set
Speaker 5: a date with Jen and we'll probably go live with
Speaker 5: that one again or something, and I will say, but yeah,
Speaker 5: definitely looking forward to that, and thank you Jin and Ricardo.
Speaker 2: Sure so very quickly they can't call free wet x
Speaker 2: Institute for Natal Philosophy dot org. Uh you Universe and
Speaker 2: Veiled podcast you can find on x and on YouTube
Speaker 2: and my books The Residence Earth and start us that
Speaker 2: you can find at Amazon. I think that's it. Thank you, Nick,
Speaker 2: and thank you Weather for for all of this.
Speaker 5: Oh, thank you. I appreciate you coming on and you
Speaker 5: definitely added some great stuff to the show. I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: That's why I have you here.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I hope so at least I tried.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you, and have that. Please let me
Speaker 5: remind everybody where they can find you if they want
Speaker 5: to check out all your stuff.
Speaker 4: Yes, thank you so much Nick for having me back on.
Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoyed it, and it was nice to speak
Speaker 1: to Headless and meet Jin and also meet Ricardo in
Speaker 1: person because we've interacted on X but never interacted in person.
Speaker 4: Well in person, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean. Yes, please follow me on X
Speaker 1: Heather l Arnold on all platforms Facebook, Instagram and X
Speaker 1: and on threads. And if you're in Aruba, please hit
Speaker 1: me up. Maybe we can do a tour together in
Speaker 1: the footsteps of the Giants. My company is called Each
Speaker 1: Aruba Tours. And if you have any information of giants
Speaker 1: or rock formations, anything pertaining to megaliths, monoliths, feel free
Speaker 1: to send me a message. I respond to all of
Speaker 1: my messages. That I get on social media, and I
Speaker 1: look forward to speaking further about maybe what might what
Speaker 1: happens when I go to Curisau to track down these
Speaker 1: giant skeletal remains, and I'm hopeful that I will and
Speaker 1: maybe we'll get some good news from the Smithsonian in
Speaker 1: the coming weeks, but who knows.
Speaker 4: Let's be optimistic.
Speaker 5: Yeah, awesome, Yes, Well, thank you very much, Heather. That
Speaker 5: was an awesome show. I mean, I already knew what
Speaker 5: was going to be, but that was great, So thank
Speaker 5: you very much. And again, Ricardo, I really appreciate it
Speaker 5: and jin and headless of making the time to jump
Speaker 5: on and everything, and I appreciate everybody in the chat.
Speaker 5: That is what's up. There's a lot of great stuff
Speaker 5: in there, a lot of these here. I appreciate it,
Speaker 5: and that's why we go live. And until the next one,
Speaker 5: everybody be well.