1 00:00:25,839 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: It's the Internet. You're busy, Let's do this. Welcome to 2 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,839 the Game Mesticides podcast. This is the podcast where we 3 00:00:30,879 --> 00:00:32,840 decide everything about the world of games, so you never 4 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,560 have to think for yourself. I'm your host Jeff Grubb 5 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:40,280 and with me is Mike Minatti. In today's episode, I'm back. 6 00:00:40,719 --> 00:00:42,000 So it's Marvel baby. 7 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:44,039 Speaker 2: Is that what that means? Fair enough? 8 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: PS five is seven hundred dollars more Xbox layoffs and 9 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,920 a tier list of console redesigns, refreshes, slims, pros. 10 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: I put a bunch of shit in to a tear 11 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,399 maker list. We'll do that here in a little bit. 12 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:01,039 But first, Mike, how are you doing? I think okay. 13 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,920 I was feeling rough. I think I'm feeling better today. 14 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:06,439 So you know, we got the weekend ahead. I think 15 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,120 I'm going to actually be able to relax a bit 16 00:01:08,239 --> 00:01:11,760 this weekend. So yeah, yeah, I think I'm good. I 17 00:01:11,799 --> 00:01:13,840 think I'm good. I'm excited for the weekend to play 18 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,359 some video games and whatnot. 19 00:01:15,719 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm looking forward to geting some some downtime, 20 00:01:18,799 --> 00:01:20,680 especially after having a big trip and all that stuff. 21 00:01:20,719 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 2: So yeah, looking forward to that as well. 22 00:01:22,719 --> 00:01:25,799 Speaker 1: Hoping, not hoping, I don't get the COVID rebound, although 23 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,000 I hear it's it's pretty common, pretty common to get that. 24 00:01:28,079 --> 00:01:31,079 Speaker 2: So I rebound was way worse than just my normal 25 00:01:31,159 --> 00:01:33,319 COVID I think, I don't know. I was like, you know, 26 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,000 laural COVID was like a cold. Then I was good 27 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,000 for a couple of days, and then like all of 28 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,239 a sudden, I just felt like absolutely hit by a truck. 29 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,200 It was weird, but yeah, sorry to feel fine. 30 00:01:45,439 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, Emmy started sneezing tonight, so no, I got. Yeah, 31 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,359 I'm pretty sure she's probably getting at least a cold, 32 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,359 but she could have COVID as well, at least for kids, 33 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,799 I think they bounce back really quick, so hoping that well. 34 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,359 Speaker 2: Watching one of the gimmicks run around with their little 35 00:01:58,359 --> 00:02:01,120 astroblock doll, it was very cute, but didn't make me 36 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,840 laugh about that time, like what like three years ago, 37 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,680 back when the consoles were launching or so, when you 38 00:02:06,719 --> 00:02:09,759 were labeled, I was like a very obvious sony hater 39 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:13,840 in the pocket of Big Xbox, and just seeing your 40 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,240 child walk around an astrobot doll made me laugh. 41 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: Yep, we are, We're a big astro house now. Everyone 42 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,240 in this family loves astrobot me especially U. 43 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, let's get into this. Thank you, Thank 44 00:02:26,759 --> 00:02:28,560 you everybody for joining us. Really appreciate it. 45 00:02:28,599 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: Give us a good rating wherever you are listening, hit 46 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,680 that like button on YouTube please it helps people find 47 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,919 the show. 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I think I'll do it not 66 00:03:21,759 --> 00:03:25,599 this week, but the weekend after next, because I'll be 67 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:26,879 able to talk about like where I was on my 68 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,800 trip then, and it might be fun to bring some 69 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,360 of that stuff up in the Q and A. So 70 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,000 we'll do that all right now that it's some huge, 71 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,520 big thing, everybody, don't get your hope. 72 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: So okay, Mike, let's see big topics of the week. 73 00:03:37,879 --> 00:03:40,840 You want to get into it, Yeah, let's do it. 74 00:03:41,319 --> 00:03:44,680 Let's start. Hey, that PS five pro is seven hundred 75 00:03:45,159 --> 00:03:48,520 United States of America dollars as written here. I know 76 00:03:48,599 --> 00:03:52,159 what the hell? Who could have foreseen it coming? And 77 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,000 I didn't believe. I'm sorry. 78 00:03:55,439 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: It doesn't come with a stand, It does not come 79 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,080 with a disk drive, Blu ray drive, and it does 80 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,159 it's I think Kristian right here or the love of 81 00:04:03,199 --> 00:04:04,000 a proud parent. 82 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,479 Speaker 2: That's fair, that's true. 83 00:04:06,599 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: It has it does have an improved GPU, it has 84 00:04:10,479 --> 00:04:15,400 pisser technology, let's go. It has the PlayStation Soviet Socialist 85 00:04:15,479 --> 00:04:18,000 Republic technology. Very impressive that they were able to get 86 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,439 that for this console. What was the other pillar? 87 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:22,959 Speaker 2: What was that? That can't remember they said there's a something 88 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:29,360 so no the pisser right, so right, Okay. 89 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,199 Speaker 1: I think it's kind of funny that things went down 90 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,639 mostly how we were talking about, like they would try 91 00:04:35,639 --> 00:04:39,040 to price this thing as much they can, and they 92 00:04:39,079 --> 00:04:41,759 would probably struggle to have a very succinct way of 93 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,639 marketing this thing, even though I think they tried to 94 00:04:43,639 --> 00:04:46,120 be succinct with a nine minute video, two minutes of 95 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,800 which we're talking about how awesome the PS five Vanilla is. 96 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,199 So really seven minutes of trying to sell people on 97 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,480 the PS five Pro, they tried to boil it down 98 00:04:53,519 --> 00:04:56,720 to be very succinct. It's just not as succinct as 99 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,519 you just got a four K TV, buy our four 100 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,920 K console. You've done bastards, And so yeah, I think 101 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,759 they are kind of feeling it right now, and yet 102 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,720 they're selling it for seven hundred dollars without a stand, 103 00:05:06,759 --> 00:05:07,519 without the disk drive. 104 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 2: The disk drive is already selling out. 105 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: Who knows how many of those things are in the 106 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,480 supply chain, but I think the demand seems like it's 107 00:05:13,519 --> 00:05:16,120 going to be there, and at the end of the 108 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,720 the end of the day, for as much as like 109 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,680 I know, these companies talk about, hey, component prices are 110 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:21,439 still so high. 111 00:05:21,439 --> 00:05:23,399 Speaker 2: Oh my god, we can't lower the price of these things. 112 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,360 That's a lie. That's such a lie. 113 00:05:25,519 --> 00:05:28,079 Speaker 1: Maybe those prices are high, sure, maybe, but that's not 114 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,439 why the price is what it is. The price is 115 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,319 what the market can bear. Sony believes that seven hundred 116 00:05:33,319 --> 00:05:35,600 dollars is what people will pay for this. I think 117 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,560 they're probably for the most part, right, what do you think? 118 00:05:40,079 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: You know, I think in that presentation they identified the 119 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,800 problem or at least, you know, my problem with with 120 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,079 mono console gaming, right, having to pick between two graphics modes, right, 121 00:05:50,079 --> 00:05:53,319 And they just talked about that straight up, and they 122 00:05:53,399 --> 00:05:55,160 kind of made seem like they're trying to bridge that 123 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,079 gap there a little bit. Although obviously this isn't a 124 00:05:58,079 --> 00:06:00,480 perfect solution, but you know, they know some of the 125 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,040 things that they were talking about, like, hey, here's here 126 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,959 is you know, uh, performance modes with better fidelity or 127 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,399 fidelity modes with better performances. I'm like, okay, And even 128 00:06:11,399 --> 00:06:13,959 seeing you know, uh, you know, John for Digital Foundry 129 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,399 talking about Wow PlayStation or a Final Fantasy seven Reaper 130 00:06:17,399 --> 00:06:19,519 if really does look a lot better on this thing, 131 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,720 I'm like, okay, but man, seven hundred bucks, right, and 132 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,480 again the for the actual real benefits, and there's some 133 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,720 inherent ones like games have to be designed with this 134 00:06:30,199 --> 00:06:35,160 and that list is just thirteen games or something right now. 135 00:06:35,959 --> 00:06:38,480 And then you know the disk drive thing, there is 136 00:06:38,519 --> 00:06:41,600 something about that that is just, man, it's pretty it's 137 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,000 pretty wild that it's a premium well, because it's you know, 138 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,000 the whole fingers like, well, this is a premium product, 139 00:06:47,319 --> 00:06:49,120 but you don't get a disk drive. I'm like, really, 140 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,199 that doesn't feel very premium. And then like, you know, 141 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,480 the the fucking you don't get the plastic stand even 142 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,519 it's like, okay, now you're just committed to a bit 143 00:06:57,639 --> 00:07:01,199 or something. At this point. It's it's it's like there's 144 00:07:01,199 --> 00:07:03,000 a part and it's like, yeah, like, look, I would 145 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:07,639 like a PlayStation five that runs games a bit better. 146 00:07:07,639 --> 00:07:09,240 I would like maybe some of my games look a 147 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,240 bit sharper or run a bit smoother. But boy, that's 148 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,839 a that's a big price, and you know, I am 149 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,959 trying desperately figure out how this thing is going to do. 150 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,079 I guess I just have to wait and see because 151 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,920 usually yeah, like you know, new PlayStations do sell really well. 152 00:07:26,519 --> 00:07:29,360 Now I'm curious if this is finally pushing that limit, like, man, 153 00:07:29,399 --> 00:07:32,959 here's here's something with just you know, not not something 154 00:07:33,079 --> 00:07:37,240 very obvious or very easy to distill in a simple 155 00:07:37,279 --> 00:07:40,639 marketing pitch in terms of upgrade for a whole heck 156 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,639 of a lot of money more mm hmm, it's uh, yeah, 157 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:46,120 it's stranger. 158 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: I think you're right about the premium positioning of this 159 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,319 thing and and not including some of those features that like, 160 00:07:51,879 --> 00:07:54,519 it's not even just premium. Same pro implies like this 161 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,879 is what the professionals need, which of course has never 162 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,600 really been what pro moniker. 163 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:00,879 Speaker 2: Means on the system. 164 00:08:01,319 --> 00:08:05,639 Speaker 1: But yeah, it feels like some conniving and nickel and 165 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,279 diming to really sell for an even higher price than 166 00:08:08,279 --> 00:08:10,360 seven hundred dollars, because I mean, how the drive is 167 00:08:10,399 --> 00:08:13,399 like eighty five dollars, right, eighty dollars something like that. 168 00:08:13,879 --> 00:08:15,519 It's it's in the it's like eighty dollars frond the 169 00:08:15,519 --> 00:08:18,000 PlayStation direct. So we're talking at seven hundred and eighty 170 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,879 dollars before the stand, and the stand I think is 171 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,160 thirty dollars in that range. 172 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,519 Speaker 2: Maybe it's less than that, but. 173 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: Basically all in this console is eight hundred dollars, And 174 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,839 so they the reason they didn't put this thing on 175 00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:31,240 the shelf with the desk drive, and the stand is 176 00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:33,399 they didn't want to have a big price. They didn't 177 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,799 want the five ninety nine thing to happen. Again, I 178 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:37,960 think that still happened to some degree. Obviously there was 179 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,000 a huge backlash to this, but I think they were like, 180 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,399 we'll put it seven hundred and then we'll let people 181 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,600 who only the people who really want those things, which 182 00:08:44,639 --> 00:08:46,960 I think most people are gonna want to stand long term. 183 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,360 I think people will be able to talk themselves out 184 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,320 of it. But if you're already spending seven hundred dollars 185 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:52,799 on a on a console, you just get the fucking 186 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,519 thing that makes a stand up vertically. But yeah, they 187 00:08:55,519 --> 00:08:57,200 didn't want to have it be like seven hundred and 188 00:08:57,279 --> 00:09:00,000 then seven, you know, seven hundred ninety nine US dollars 189 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,039 and just like because that really is a number, that 190 00:09:02,159 --> 00:09:04,879 is a lot, that feels like actually the line now, 191 00:09:04,919 --> 00:09:07,720 which I think for all of the back last year, 192 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:10,120 I think they probably did still find the right side 193 00:09:10,159 --> 00:09:12,879 of the line. At seven hundred, six hundred ninety nine dollars. 194 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:14,720 It's like, yeah, that's terrible. 195 00:09:14,799 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: This sucks. I can't believe we're here. But I think 196 00:09:16,879 --> 00:09:17,759 a lot of people. 197 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: The target audience for this thing is probably they're already 198 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,559 justifying ways to make this make sense of their head. 199 00:09:23,639 --> 00:09:26,679 A lot of them talking about selling their current PS five, right. 200 00:09:27,159 --> 00:09:28,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, well though that drives me a little weird. People 201 00:09:28,799 --> 00:09:31,159 like me, what do you think about, Like Rey, we 202 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,279 think about, well, if you sew your current PS five, 203 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,519 it's it's not it's not as much. I'm like, guess 204 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,039 if you sell things you currently own, then you yeah, 205 00:09:38,159 --> 00:09:41,440 things become more of a value. I guess, right, you know, 206 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,279 they're the scaling is kind of wild in places like 207 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,919 Canada in Europe right where you know, it gets really 208 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:49,320 out of hand very fast. Yeah, so then it gets 209 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,759 through again. Like I don't know, I guess this will 210 00:09:52,759 --> 00:09:56,360 probably still do fine whatever their expectations are for it. 211 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,559 But I am curious because you know, we this is 212 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,279 a we are living in a world where things when 213 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,279 things do flop, they flop bad, right, Like just look 214 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:07,759 at Concord a little bit ago, or even you know, 215 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,559 in the Hollywood world border Lands. It's like when when 216 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,799 people just signed that's a side that something in the 217 00:10:12,919 --> 00:10:16,399 entertainment world is not worth their money. They make that 218 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:19,279 decision in a way. 219 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: Yes, it feels like that. It's like you are gonna 220 00:10:21,639 --> 00:10:25,360 pay for even suggesting this now. I mean, do you 221 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,440 think that could happen here? Because I don't know if 222 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:28,279 that happens here. 223 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like reassessing a lot of things in 224 00:10:30,519 --> 00:10:33,960 video games. I wouldn't bet on it, Jeff, But there's 225 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,519 like there's a part of me that's that worries. It's 226 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,279 just it's a big price. I'm probably I'm probably off 227 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:41,120 base there. It's probably not happy. It's not what I 228 00:10:41,159 --> 00:10:43,840 think is going to happen, but I'm you're right that 229 00:10:43,879 --> 00:10:46,600 they're at least flirting with that. Like this feels like 230 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,440 it is. It's not trying to go the obvious. You 231 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:50,879 can get away with six hundred dollars here. 232 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:52,919 Speaker 1: I think everyone would have said there would have been 233 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,759 some grumbling about six hundred, but everyone been like going 234 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,799 shrew a little bit, because it's like they're not trying 235 00:10:57,799 --> 00:11:00,559 to get away with as much as possible. This feels 236 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,600 like them trying to get away with as much as possible, 237 00:11:02,879 --> 00:11:05,159 which suggests that they're going to continue to do that 238 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,240 if they don't really face any repercussions here, which means 239 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,440 the next time around, Like, I don't think the PS 240 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,159 six launches and anything less than like six fifty, it's 241 00:11:14,159 --> 00:11:15,240 probably gonna be seven hundred. 242 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 2: Why would they go back down from here? Because the 243 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,919 PS four unless this is an absolute disaster at this price, right, right, exactly, 244 00:11:20,919 --> 00:11:26,000 everything you can't do engineer that won't cost seven hundred dollars, right. 245 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,320 But you know, the other thing is just you know, 246 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,919 this whole pitch is about how your older games are 247 00:11:30,919 --> 00:11:33,159 gonna rent better on it. The one new game that 248 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,440 they talk about in this thing was Assassin's Creed Shadows. 249 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,279 Even in their big, big new game, Astrobot isn't a 250 00:11:40,279 --> 00:11:42,120 part of this equation at all because it just already 251 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,559 kind of looks at it already the game that it's 252 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:45,039 supposed to be. 253 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, that presentation, I don't think this is I think 254 00:11:49,759 --> 00:11:53,039 everyone tends to agree with this not great. It just 255 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,000 didn't do a good job of making the argument. And 256 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,960 I think a big, huge part of that is it's 257 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,960 a tough argument to make. If there was a succeame 258 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,519 thing they could have said, they would have said it. 259 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,759 So instead they are forced to pretend that they are 260 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,320 digital foundry, and surprise, they're not as good at digital 261 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,480 foundry as showing this stuff off where it's like they're 262 00:12:10,519 --> 00:12:13,159 showing a tiny little segment of a screen. They're not 263 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,279 even really blowing it up, which maybe they're worried about 264 00:12:15,759 --> 00:12:18,320 false advertising, I suppose, because like that's not what's really 265 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:19,320 gonna look like on your screen. 266 00:12:19,399 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: I was watching the Million Dude react to this, and 267 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:23,960 it was like that part where like they zoom in 268 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,960 on like the text on some watchtower in the background 269 00:12:27,279 --> 00:12:28,879 of Last of Us Part two, and they're like, look 270 00:12:28,879 --> 00:12:30,879 how much clearer it is with the places of five 271 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,399 pro and like Maxis almost started laughing, like wow, this 272 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,360 is where we are now. The era of diminishing returns 273 00:12:38,399 --> 00:12:39,399 is more real than ever. 274 00:12:39,639 --> 00:12:42,519 Speaker 1: It's it's like yeah, And so you couple up a 275 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,399 lackluster presentation, one that did feel a little bit meandering, 276 00:12:47,399 --> 00:12:50,159 a little bit looking for some ground to stand on trying. 277 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: I mean, god, I. 278 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,399 Speaker 1: Care about ray tracing to a small degree, almost academically 279 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,159 at this point more than anything else where. It's like, 280 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,399 I think it's fun when I see developers using it 281 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,759 in ways. It's like, Man, I like the idea of 282 00:13:03,799 --> 00:13:06,480 a computer doing the math to figure out how light 283 00:13:06,519 --> 00:13:08,159 bounces around a surface in real time. 284 00:13:08,279 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: That tickles me. 285 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,799 Speaker 1: But I would never really bring that to these podcasts anymore, 286 00:13:12,919 --> 00:13:14,759 any podcast and like be like, hey, let's talk about 287 00:13:14,799 --> 00:13:17,559 retracing because no one cares. And for that to be 288 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,320 one of their pillars, and for that to be one 289 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,200 of their pillars in a handful of games, and it's like, 290 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,279 you know, Hogwarts Legacy, the reflections are good. It's like 291 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,639 man reflections and games already look really good, right the. 292 00:13:28,519 --> 00:13:31,759 Speaker 2: Astrogut doesn't have any rate tracing, and it's reflections look great. 293 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:34,159 And by the way, Hogwarts running at thirty fps still 294 00:13:34,159 --> 00:13:35,840 on a PlayStation five pretty cool. 295 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: Yes, that which is you know, not anything they could 296 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,080 do anything about because that game's just locked at thirty 297 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,759 frames per second on the console. But it's like that's 298 00:13:42,799 --> 00:13:44,759 still the one thing you have to show off here. 299 00:13:44,879 --> 00:13:47,440 It just I think it shows the slim pickings. Now, 300 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:49,240 you know, that's that's third party. A lot of their 301 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,879 first party stuff did have some improvements where it is 302 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,159 sixty and you know, high quality at the same time. 303 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,440 But the problem is with a PlayStation game, those games 304 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,080 already look amazing, just astonishing, even in performance mode, even 305 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,000 on performance mode on the fucking PS four the last 306 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,519 of US Part two looked better than just about any 307 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:14,799 game ever made. The diminishing returns have already been there since, 308 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,519 like the PS four for some of these games, in 309 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,440 terms of Sony being able to get the power out 310 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,279 of these consoles already. So again, it just makes the 311 00:14:22,279 --> 00:14:25,480 PS five pro argument that much more tougher to make. 312 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't just say four K like they did 313 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,360 with the Placiation four pro, which again was at least 314 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,000 a succinct argument, And you know, there just wasn't anything 315 00:14:34,039 --> 00:14:36,080 like that here. I mean, it would have been hilarious 316 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,279 if they said the words eight K. Right. I'm still 317 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,960 reeling from eight K being on the box of Placation 318 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,759 five and they had to get rid of it, right right, yeah, 319 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,399 because they were thinking about it like, well, we need something. 320 00:14:47,399 --> 00:14:50,279 We need a eight k's twice as much as four K. 321 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,159 That's a simple message. 322 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: Right, yep, yeah right, And it's like they learned that 323 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,360 people don't care about that. They also are like, the 324 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,480 thing's not really outputting eight K. Now, Grant almost seven 325 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:02,879 apparently is going to have an eight K mode. They say, 326 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:07,480 that's seen it incredible, but that's you know, polyphony digital 327 00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:09,840 is that the developer there, they love that horseshit, they 328 00:15:09,879 --> 00:15:11,919 love resolution over there. 329 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: Whatever. But it's like going back to ray tracing. 330 00:15:14,919 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: I think this is a thing where it is difficult 331 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,080 to get people to care and it really is maybe 332 00:15:21,159 --> 00:15:23,679 the one actual new thing that is happening with this 333 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,480 because that you know, the rumor now is it's going 334 00:15:25,519 --> 00:15:27,360 to be our DNA four based. It might have some 335 00:15:27,399 --> 00:15:30,480 new am D technology that could be equivalent to the 336 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:33,919 ray tracing engine that's inside of the Nvidia GPUs for 337 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,159 a while now that has made in Vidio GPUs so 338 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,480 much better at ray tracing than AMD for this whole generation. 339 00:15:39,799 --> 00:15:43,480 And it's like, OK, hey, that's that's great. But I 340 00:15:44,039 --> 00:15:46,000 think the boat has sailed on getting people to care 341 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,080 about this and that's your one new thing. It just 342 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,080 feels like the marketing has missed the messaging and what 343 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,240 is accurate? Well, you're actually able to deliver here, and 344 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:55,519 these things are just not going to be able to 345 00:15:55,519 --> 00:15:59,559 come together into a compelling argument. Now again we say 346 00:15:59,559 --> 00:16:01,320 all this, and I feel like this thing's probably going 347 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,399 to sell to that same audience. It always shows up 348 00:16:03,399 --> 00:16:04,960 for this stuff, So I don't know how much it 349 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:05,519 all matters. 350 00:16:06,399 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's what I'm curious about. Uh, let 351 00:16:08,759 --> 00:16:10,200 me ask you a question that Sean and I talked 352 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,279 about and leasser than a ten dollars while you're away, 353 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,360 what do you think a switch to cost? Now you 354 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,039 think the shade, this is what you thought it was 355 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,519 going to cost, so you still have a price in mind. 356 00:16:19,559 --> 00:16:21,440 That was the price you had in mind last week. 357 00:16:21,759 --> 00:16:23,399 I am certain at this point that it will be 358 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,519 no less than four hundred dollars. Yeah, that's for su Yeah, 359 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:27,039 I don't think it's a there's no way it's a 360 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:27,879 less than four hundred. 361 00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: That's right, don't There's no way anymore that it's less 362 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:31,799 than four hundred. And that's where I was kind of 363 00:16:31,799 --> 00:16:34,559 at before. So now like I was like thinking it 364 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,000 probably would be four hundred, Now I'm like, that thing's 365 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,240 probably going to be five hundred dollars at the very least. 366 00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:43,320 At the very least, it's four hundred dollars. And then 367 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,399 then o lead comes a year later at five hundred 368 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,440 pretty quickly, and I think they could do that, but 369 00:16:49,799 --> 00:16:51,960 they will. They will have a switch to on the 370 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,519 shelves that costs five hundred dollars in some way within 371 00:16:54,559 --> 00:16:56,000 the first couple of years of that system. 372 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's that's where're at now. 373 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,159 Speaker 1: Part of that is Nintendo does see the way the 374 00:17:02,159 --> 00:17:04,759 wind is blowing as they want to make a profit 375 00:17:04,799 --> 00:17:06,400 on these devices. They want to make a lot of 376 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,880 profit on these devices, and then I think they are 377 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,839 also looking around of being like, man, we are kind 378 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:14,279 of the only game in town for this kind of 379 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,640 experience at home, this family video gaming console that delivers 380 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,559 Mario Mario Party regularly and gives these families what they need. 381 00:17:23,559 --> 00:17:25,519 And we know that these people are now putting more 382 00:17:25,559 --> 00:17:28,240 money towards the budget for that sort of experience than 383 00:17:28,279 --> 00:17:29,200 they ever have before. 384 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,759 Speaker 2: They might feel pretty comfortable with that. So I don't know. 385 00:17:32,839 --> 00:17:34,759 Speaker 1: I think it probably behooves them to have something that 386 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,119 is three ninety nine ninety nine, because really, if you're 387 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:39,599 going for the after those families, do you want to 388 00:17:39,599 --> 00:17:42,920 have some price sensitivity. And I don't think the hardware 389 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,039 that they're going to use it's going to be the 390 00:17:44,039 --> 00:17:46,759 most expensive thing in the world. They are conservative on 391 00:17:46,799 --> 00:17:49,279 that stuff, and it sounds like they've had this thing 392 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,119 and the works for a very long time now. They 393 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,799 probably use something from Nvidia that is relatively you know, 394 00:17:54,839 --> 00:17:57,920 aging into growing in maturity in terms of how easy 395 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,279 it is for video to produce it with its partner's 396 00:18:00,279 --> 00:18:04,559 probably at Sam Sung or TSMC. So yeah, I still 397 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:06,319 think it's probably gonna end up being four hundred at 398 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,480 the initial burst, but we'll see. I don't know where'd 399 00:18:09,519 --> 00:18:10,359 you land with that. 400 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I definitely think four hundred is I'm still 401 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,200 I guess being saying four hundred, But hey, I would 402 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,920 not have guessed seven hundred on a PlayStation five pro right, 403 00:18:22,079 --> 00:18:24,960 I would have thought that'd be six hundred, six to fifty, 404 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,519 probably six fifty. So what do I know now? 405 00:18:28,039 --> 00:18:31,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think all those times where it's like I 406 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,400 was like, hey, it could be seven hundred, but it's 407 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,240 probably gonna be six fifty, and it's I think, I 408 00:18:36,279 --> 00:18:38,960 think whenever we have these companies in a situation like that, 409 00:18:39,039 --> 00:18:41,240 maybe we should be leaning more towards that it could 410 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,039 be so it's going to be man. 411 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 2: So, like, I don't know, it is just wild that 412 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,799 we are so far removed from the world where like 413 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,559 you know, forget about price cuts right, which used to 414 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,799 be I think that happened at consoles very quickly, like 415 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,559 crazy right to the point where they got super affordable 416 00:18:57,559 --> 00:19:00,160 and just it's the opposite. They just find ways to 417 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,960 make the consoles more expensive. Now. It's it's it uh huh. 418 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,599 You know, we don't mean a bit to go in 419 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,359 this too long because it's been happening before, but uh, 420 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,519 it's it definitely at least for me, pushes me more 421 00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:16,359 and more towards just investing more into my PC. Uh yeah, 422 00:19:16,519 --> 00:19:19,480 because it just it just seems smarter. We see again 423 00:19:19,519 --> 00:19:22,039 seven hundred bucks. Like I can make a big investment 424 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,319 in my PC for seven hundred bucks. It's not we're 425 00:19:24,319 --> 00:19:27,160 not even talking about making like uh like like a 426 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,200 little bit of a chip in there. This is like 427 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:30,880 a whole thing I can do now. 428 00:19:31,319 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: And I get that's not for everybody, but like let's 429 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,079 make it clear that that is Sony knows that, and 430 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:39,119 they're taking that's what they're exploiting. Here is the people 431 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:40,759 that are going like, well, I'm not going to build 432 00:19:40,759 --> 00:19:41,039 a PC. 433 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 2: That's not for me. So Sony's sitting around going all right, well, 434 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,200 what are you gonna do When we're gonna sell ps 435 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,759 five or seven hundred dollars? What are you gonna do? 436 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,839 Speaker 1: Either you're gonna keep playing on PlayStation five you already have. 437 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,000 We're fine with that, but we know you're not gonna 438 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,039 go buy an Xbox and you already told us you're 439 00:19:55,079 --> 00:19:56,039 not gonna go build a PC. 440 00:19:56,839 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: So when you're when you. 441 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,759 Speaker 1: Put us in a situation of telling us that you 442 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,200 want a console, you want console gaming, and you want 443 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,480 more power, like, we're going to price it as high 444 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,440 as we possibly can get away with. And we know 445 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,319 we're gonna be able to get away with more because 446 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:12,839 you told us you're not going to go to the 447 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,079 other real competition now being PC. So yeah, that's how 448 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:18,799 we end up in this situation. Now again, I'm not 449 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,839 telling people now that means you have to go buy PC. 450 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,720 It's just I agree with you. As the price gets 451 00:20:24,799 --> 00:20:28,279 hiring consoles, I am more happy with my investment in PC. 452 00:20:28,839 --> 00:20:31,359 And then I also look at the way things are 453 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,119 going with the disk drive not being included in the thing, 454 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,359 and that's Sony signifying more and more that like the 455 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,480 future is not you know, a you know, hard media, 456 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,200 it is going to be digital. And while I'm someone 457 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,240 who buys digital, I feel much more comfortable doing that 458 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,119 on the open platform PC. 459 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 2: So right, it's just like some of the arguments like 460 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,480 for consecuting which I used to hold onto very dear myself, right, 461 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,559 Like you know, again the fact that you would have 462 00:20:57,559 --> 00:21:00,920 this physical library, well that's being emphasize in a lot 463 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,880 of ways. And look, we already have this console, the 464 00:21:04,319 --> 00:21:07,880 big next placiation console doesn't have a disk drive mandatory. 465 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,000 How just how much longer is it? So there just 466 00:21:10,279 --> 00:21:13,240 isn't one at all, so you don't have that anymore. 467 00:21:13,319 --> 00:21:14,839 And then again, like the other thing was like, well 468 00:21:14,839 --> 00:21:17,079 it's so much more affordable, right, it's just way cheaper 469 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,759 than a PC. It's like, eh, how much cheaper is 470 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:22,039 it anymore? So you know, the be the one main 471 00:21:22,079 --> 00:21:24,359 benefit still is just that ease of you stuff, right, 472 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:25,920 that kind of pick up and play nature of it, 473 00:21:26,039 --> 00:21:27,559 And that is still there and I get why that's 474 00:21:27,839 --> 00:21:30,079 appealing to a lot of people, but I don't know 475 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,000 if it's enough for me. 476 00:21:32,079 --> 00:21:36,279 Speaker 1: Also, also, like steam Deck has happened, and now that 477 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,119 now steam Os being ready to go on PCs, maybe 478 00:21:39,599 --> 00:21:42,880 is going to force Microsoft to have to improve Windows 479 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,119 for the for use on TVs and devices dedicated devices. 480 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,279 Speaker 2: They're just gonna have to do that. 481 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,279 Speaker 1: And so the world of using the PC on your 482 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:54,079 television is only going to. 483 00:21:54,079 --> 00:21:54,799 Speaker 2: Get better from here. 484 00:21:55,039 --> 00:21:56,799 Speaker 1: And if that's what what people's big hang up is, 485 00:21:56,839 --> 00:21:58,240 I think that you are going to You're in for 486 00:21:58,279 --> 00:21:59,960 a lot of good news coming up real soon. 487 00:21:59,839 --> 00:22:02,279 Speaker 2: And you already got some good news this week. Steam 488 00:22:02,319 --> 00:22:05,519 family sharing just blows the other shit out of the water. 489 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,640 So if you have multiple people in your household playing 490 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,000 on devices, you get a PC, you have a Steam deck, 491 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:11,920 you want to like hand the Steam deck to a 492 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,039 kids while you continue to continue to play your game 493 00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:16,519 on the PC at your desktop. 494 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,799 Speaker 1: That's going to be easier than ever with the family 495 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:22,400 sharing that Steam does. So it's their benefits, but again 496 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,920 I guess it's not for everybody. And I we say 497 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,079 all this, Mike, I'm I'm, I'm I know me. I'm 498 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,079 probably get it up with a PS five pro, even 499 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,599 though this is probably the PS five is probably up there. 500 00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:36,359 We honestly this in the Xbox series X up there 501 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:37,920 with the console. So I spent the least amount of 502 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,759 time in during the generation that they were active. 503 00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, I really don't know, and I 504 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:43,720 know so as I say that then a joke, I'm 505 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,799 going to get one anyways, Like, look if there's you know, 506 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,920 there's always chances like maybe I'll get one because of work, 507 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,480 and of course that'll be fine, Right, that's a different 508 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,240 conversation for sure. Yeah, but I don't know seve hundred dollars. 509 00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:56,599 And there's even some aspects of it again, like I 510 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,359 love the idea of Found Fantasy seven Rebirth specifically looking back, right, 511 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,279 that's the game I loved, and it was a game 512 00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:05,720 that had a pretty fuzzy performance mode. And I still 513 00:23:05,839 --> 00:23:08,079 had to have the performance mode because I care about 514 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,079 frans per second that much more. But it was a 515 00:23:10,079 --> 00:23:12,160 pretty fuzzy performance mode. I would love for that to 516 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,920 be sharper. I don't know if I seven hundred dollars 517 00:23:17,319 --> 00:23:21,799 I want that, right, We'll see, we'll see. I'm curious 518 00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:22,640 how it all goes down. 519 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we did get a lot of super chats 520 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,680 about this topic. So let's get through the rest of 521 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,519 the news. Then we'll hit the super chats that talk 522 00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:30,319 about all this stuff. Looking forward to answering some of 523 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,640 those from game File. Steven Tatillo doing the workout there 524 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,240 first to report that Microsoft is laying off six hundred 525 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,559 and fifty employees from its gaming division, mostly from at 526 00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:44,799 the Activision Blitzer to acquisition, excuse me, and then mostly 527 00:23:44,839 --> 00:23:48,319 from it seemed like management and publishing roles, not from like. 528 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,319 Speaker 2: Game dev roles. 529 00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:53,519 Speaker 1: But that's on top of the nineteen hundred people that 530 00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:58,119 were cut earlier this year, So just Microsoft cutting basically, 531 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,759 you know, two thousand and five people, two thousand and 532 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:02,839 five hundred and fifty people or in that range. 533 00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 2: Excuse me. It just continues to be a bloodbath. It is. 534 00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:10,759 Speaker 1: You know, what is Microsoft's explanation for this, Mike, It 535 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,640 is the same thing as always, This helps them grow faster? 536 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 2: And how does it help them grow by paying fewer 537 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:16,559 people money? 538 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: And I think I continues to be very grim that 539 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,480 that's where we're at, that the growth is not coming 540 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:24,759 from making new video games. It is coming from twenty 541 00:24:24,759 --> 00:24:28,000 people less. I don't think this is a good sign. 542 00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:30,079 Obviously it's not a good sign, but I feel like 543 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,359 they keep talking about growth like it's our problem, or 544 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,200 like it's the problem the people that they've hired and 545 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,759 or the Activision Blistered hired before the acquisition. And I'm 546 00:24:39,799 --> 00:24:42,839 just getting kind of sick of that because we're I 547 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,119 don't care about your growth. That has nothing to do 548 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,079 with why I'm here. I'm here because you guys happen 549 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,200 to make video games occasionally sometimes I care about them. 550 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,480 Tell me when you're doing that, and if you're not 551 00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:57,160 doing that, anything choice that you're making is is happenstance. 552 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,200 And when it's a big negative choice like this of 553 00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:01,599 laying off a bunch of people, it just makes you 554 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,480 look cruel and incompetent. 555 00:25:03,599 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 2: And I don't know how else to view it. I mean, 556 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,400 I thought the whole point of the acquisition, I thought 557 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,599 you're supposed to get growth because you own call of duty. Now, 558 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,720 like there must be growth there, and there has been 559 00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:15,960 growth there, so of course there. Yeah, it's just wild. 560 00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:18,160 It seems cruel. It just seems like the bleeding can't 561 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,960 stop there, and there's almost a bit of like let's 562 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,200 see if we can squeeze a few more through kind 563 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,519 of nature to this that. Yeah, it feels distasteful, it 564 00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:29,359 feels bad. You know, they better be at the end 565 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,000 of it over there, right, you know, I know it's 566 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,759 the conversation has been a lot about PlayStation lately. It's 567 00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:38,359 been this weird whirlwind of Concord astro but I mean 568 00:25:39,759 --> 00:25:40,440 bunge of lay offs. 569 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,799 Speaker 1: But right before that Yeah, yeah, it's been a lot, 570 00:25:43,839 --> 00:25:46,880 it's not it's a rocky road at both of these companies. Uh, 571 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,039 and things are not going to settle down for really 572 00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:52,480 either side because there's no like one big answer. I 573 00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:56,039 think that's what's scary is these companies have big pokers 574 00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:59,359 in the fire. PS five pro, a bunch of games 575 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,079 from first parties, so many studios that well will eventually 576 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,599 start getting announced at some point Stay of Play later 577 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:05,000 this month. 578 00:26:05,079 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 2: I don't know if any of that stuff's happening there. 579 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: In fact, I would bet it's mostly third party at 580 00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:10,720 that thing, and mostly third party talking about how their 581 00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:12,200 games are going to be better on PS five Pro. 582 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,920 Who knows though, And then you know, Microsoft hays Indiana 583 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,279 Jones coming out for Xbox PC and then later PS 584 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,640 five Even if like Indiana Jones is some massive hit, 585 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,640 like a massive hit, I don't know if that changes 586 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,160 much of the calculus of how Microsoft us anything, because 587 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,920 it's like there's still so much risk exposure at that company. 588 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,319 That's That's where I'm gett kind of bummed about all this, 589 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,359 is like it doesn't feel like even if the answers 590 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,119 that they have are successful answers that it really makes 591 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,039 things feel that much better in the industry overall. 592 00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 2: Right, it was like there's so few releases and yet 593 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,960 somehow the releases themselves feel inconsequential, like more so than 594 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,279 ever in a weird way, Like, you know, help Bay 595 00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:55,599 came out and it did whatever it did, and it's like, well, 596 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,720 was that good or bad? I don't know, I don't 597 00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:00,400 know what happened because of the hell Blade yep. 598 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:06,279 Speaker 1: Definitely Also Bloomberg, Jason Schreyer reported that Anna Perna video 599 00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:10,279 Games team has resigned, leaving partners scrambling. Megan Ellison led 600 00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:14,279 firm Seese staffers quit after spinoff talks fail. So apparently 601 00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:17,680 it goes like this Anna Perna on the game side. 602 00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:21,079 You know, I think Anna Perna also mixed movies. I 603 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,680 never like keep track of that stuff, but I think 604 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,079 that's right. Anna Perna the video game side has published 605 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:28,480 a lot of cool stuff. They like published the Outer Wilds, 606 00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:31,839 things like that. They have a team of like twenty 607 00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:34,400 five people that work on the publishing team gathering up 608 00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:36,160 new games to put out. There's a lot of big 609 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,759 stuff that they are working on. In fact, they just 610 00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:41,039 had a deal with Remedy to publish or work on 611 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,000 or fund or something maybe not published. I think Remedy 612 00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:46,759 is still going to publish Control too, but they're helping 613 00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:48,279 to fund that. And then they have a deal to 614 00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:50,799 help make the movies and television shows based on that. 615 00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:54,279 That all just happened. At the same time, the people 616 00:27:54,319 --> 00:27:58,960 at Anna Perna were having conversations to with Megan Ellison, 617 00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:02,039 daughter of Larry Ellison, who was the founder of Oracle Enterprises, 618 00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:06,720 the big tech conglomerate. Megan Ellison that was going to say, hey, 619 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,400 we will spin you off. You guys will be in 620 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,599 charge of yourself over on your own as your own company, 621 00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:14,839 and everyone was gonna stay around because of that. That 622 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,440 fell through sounds like because of Megan Ellison, and that 623 00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:22,880 led to every single person who currently works in Annapurna 624 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,400 to resign and leave the company. And they put out 625 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,240 a joint message saying that's why and they're getting out 626 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,759 of here and that this sucks. They didn't they didn't 627 00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:31,319 want to do this, but they feel like they have 628 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,599 no choice. This is it's a wild thing, Mike, but 629 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,079 it's hard to get a reading on it. 630 00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:38,519 Speaker 2: What do you think, Yeah, it's just, I mean, such 631 00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:42,000 a drastic measure. You have to wonder about the kind 632 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,920 of drama that it led up to it, because it 633 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,880 must have been some intense stuff. But as a sham, 634 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,119 we got a lot of really good games from Annapurna 635 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,640 Interactive in recent years. Lowerline Laser Eyes was this year. 636 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,200 One of my favorites. Some last year was a Cocoon. 637 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,880 Neon White was freaking Ana Purna geez, just a great hits. 638 00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:01,960 Yeah yeah, and there's like, you know, there's some stuff 639 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,519 in the horizon, like one of the Solid Hill games, Townfall, 640 00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:09,640 was supposed to be with Perna. My understanding with the 641 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,000 Remedy stuff is like that deal was more part of 642 00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:15,079 in a Purna proper and a Purna pictures and stuff. 643 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,119 Speaker 1: That's fine, right because because the whole deal the whole 644 00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:20,480 time was Remedy is still going to self publish those games, 645 00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:21,599 which means they would have no. 646 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,039 Speaker 2: Use for the game side. Okay, all right, that makes 647 00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:29,079 it's just pictures that I made. I see in chatting 648 00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:30,440 up people are saying, so Remedy is fine. 649 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,079 Speaker 1: The Megan ellis in the same everyone else's working with 650 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,000 us will also be fine. We intend to see these 651 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,079 deals through, but with no one working there, I mean, 652 00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:39,519 what is that? 653 00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:43,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, what does it look like? So I don't know, 654 00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:45,880 maybe hopefully like the current deals all work out, but 655 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,039 there's clearly no future to this thing. And it seemed 656 00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,440 like there was something special here that was benefiting a 657 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,160 lot of people, and it kind of just went up 658 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,599 and smoked for no reason, right, And it's like, what 659 00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:56,319 is a company? 660 00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: It is the people who work there all Obviously, all 661 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,480 those people were out there making deals, making relationships to 662 00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:02,920 get these deals done in the first place. 663 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,559 Speaker 2: They're gonna be able to do that wherever they go. 664 00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: Likely twenty five people all resigning at the same time 665 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,799 could just start up a new thing, probably gonna be 666 00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:13,200 able to get funding from someone who maybe they prefer 667 00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:15,240 working with. Again, I don't know what it was like there, 668 00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:17,559 but I'm assuming they probably just didn't like working with 669 00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:19,119 Megan Ellison specifically. 670 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:19,759 Speaker 2: That's what it. 671 00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: Sounds like, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. 672 00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:25,039 And so you take all that talent, you take all 673 00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:28,240 those relationships, you go get some funding somewhere, you could 674 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,119 start up your own thing. Honestly, a lot of people 675 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,079 probably ality well connected and are able to get that 676 00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:35,440 funding one way or another. Already, so yeah, we'll see 677 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:40,279 how that spins out. But it's unfortunate and weird. And 678 00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:43,319 then let's see here, last thing, Unity did drop their 679 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,319 run time fee, so they were gonna do that then 680 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,920 where it was gonna be every time someone downloads a game, 681 00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:50,200 whether whether it's a free, free to play game or not, 682 00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:51,599 you got to give us money. 683 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 2: There's a huge backlash, massive backlash to that. 684 00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:56,839 Speaker 1: Now they announced today they are going back to the 685 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,599 old way of doing things. Basically, it's like, let's see, 686 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,079 there's a Unity Pro subscription, an eight percent subscription price 687 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,519 to twenty two hundred dollars annually per seat. So basically, 688 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:09,559 I think every time you have a a developer working 689 00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:10,240 on it, it goes. 690 00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 2: Up a little bit. 691 00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:14,079 Speaker 1: Uh, But it's much more reasonable now. And they are 692 00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:16,079 like making all these changes as they're getting ready to 693 00:31:16,119 --> 00:31:18,799 launch Unity six. So it seems like they were just 694 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:20,359 waiting for this to come along before they made a 695 00:31:20,359 --> 00:31:24,440 bunch of changes. I kind of kept track of this 696 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,160 back when it was first happening, and I thought they 697 00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:28,400 had a completely backtrack, but apparently it's like they were 698 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,680 just kind of yeah, told it. 699 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought they had already backed up, but I 700 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,359 guess there's a pool back a little bit. I have 701 00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:36,279 no idea what they're ever thinking with that. It sounded 702 00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:39,200 insanely stupid, especially at a time where people were kind 703 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,920 of feeling down on Unity anyway, So what the hell 704 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,799 are you doing here? I don't know. I still don't 705 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:46,720 feel great about the future of Unity. It doesn't really 706 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,519 seem like they know what they're doing over there. 707 00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:51,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, And that's definitely seems to be the case. 708 00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:53,559 Is that the company did go public, I believe, and 709 00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:57,039 it's been a rough ride for them ever since that Ipoh, 710 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,720 all right, let's take a quick break. Lots of super 711 00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:01,559 cheat It's like I mentioned, have already come in. We 712 00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:07,839 will get to all those right after this, and we're back, Mike. 713 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,640 We got a bunch of super chats. Let's get into those. 714 00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 2: I wish my glasses were smaller and my muscles were bigger, 715 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,279 so I felt more like Batista when I put them on. 716 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:20,240 H very Batista coated. Oh that's a great beard. Ah, 717 00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:23,079 Jacob bent the glad hand the bone. Miss. I want 718 00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:25,720 to look more Batista coated. But thank you, Jacob. 719 00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: I did I did get I hadn't for a long time, 720 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,200 but I did get Aquaman at the at the pharmacy 721 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,640 the other day. She said, you look like Aquaman and 722 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,759 then I said maybe Aquaan was left out in the sun, 723 00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:37,480 which though was my go to joke, and she laughed 724 00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:38,680 very much on that. 725 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 2: Then that hurt my feelings so that hard. No, I'm 726 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,920 allowed to think it's that's the you're to go, Oh no, no, no, 727 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,880 you don't have to say that, but no, she just laughed. 728 00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:51,160 I got to catch myself because I like to be 729 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,599 self deprecating, right like it's it's sometimes it becomes like 730 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,640 invitation where people like, ah, I'll make fun of you 731 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,559 too that I'm like, no, I don't know you do 732 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,880 it job, I'm doing it so you won't, right like, No, No, 733 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,839 I like I could say, I look like the bad 734 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,000 guy from Toy Story two? Would you do it? It 735 00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:10,039 makes me depressed for a day. 736 00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:13,319 Speaker 1: Please, I can say, Jason Momoa, who's been microwave for 737 00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:14,079 thirty seconds? 738 00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 2: That's what I But you please don't say that exactly. Uh, 739 00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:19,400 take a betch. Just keep up the great work and 740 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,599 get well sued Mike. Thank you. I feel like I 741 00:33:21,599 --> 00:33:24,960 am feeling much better today. Even even last night I 742 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,359 was just laying there with a headache. You know what, 743 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,960 I think a big part of my problem was, and 744 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,559 I'm probably gonna get yelled at based off current things 745 00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:36,079 I said. I think I was pretty dehydrated. Maybe I 746 00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:40,759 think I was not drinking water. Mike, Yeah, so water, 747 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:46,640 shouldn't drink water. We're good. That would have it, Andy 748 00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:48,519 g there's third super Chi. I think he says the 749 00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:51,039 PlayStation five Pro is going to cost one thousand, three 750 00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:54,240 hundred and sixty dollars with the disc dribe. In Australia, 751 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,759 the PS four Pro was only five hundred and sixty dollars. 752 00:33:58,039 --> 00:33:59,960 All I won is sixty fps. And I feel for 753 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,119 the first time of twenty years that Sony is trying 754 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,279 to rip me off. It is I mean, gosh, that 755 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:06,880 is wild. 756 00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:11,599 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the reality is that the pricing 757 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,960 is very much based on what they feel they can 758 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,239 get away with, and that is always also then dictated 759 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,840 by what they feel their competitors are doing. And I 760 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,039 just don't think PlayStation feels any competition pressure anymore. And 761 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,159 you know, we go back to we talked about this 762 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:26,920 in a recent episode where it's like back when they 763 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,559 were first going up against Nintendo and Sega, and they 764 00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:32,440 felt like they had to really undercut Sega hard. They 765 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,360 were always cutting the price of that PlayStation one. That's 766 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,599 the story from the beginning, and now they just don't 767 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:39,480 feel they need to do that anymore. And that's the 768 00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:40,639 sad reality. 769 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,679 Speaker 2: Do you think a lot of that is because we 770 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,599 don't have a strong xbox right now? Do you think 771 00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:46,239 that's a big part of it. I think it's a 772 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,320 huge part of it. Yeah. I think they are looking. 773 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,639 I mean, that's huge part of it. 774 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: And I think they just realized they should not be 775 00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:54,480 thinking about what the other company is doing for a 776 00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:57,199 variety of reasons, but also because it's not a strong Xbox. 777 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,119 Speaker 2: But Born PCTs Choiceway five super chat no message been. 778 00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:05,199 Thank you so much, blood Born Daily Beating or Lincoln 779 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,880 member says, Jeff, did you try what a burger? I 780 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,360 did try what a burger? And I thought it was 781 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,639 very good, very tasty. 782 00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:13,559 Speaker 1: I was like kind of looking lost a little bit, 783 00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:15,800 and I was like trying to find the right ketchup 784 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,320 and went over and the lady was like media like 785 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,199 in her Texas. 786 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 2: Accent, Nope, get the spicy ketchup. It's right there. Oh, 787 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,000 thank you so much. I was That's what I was 788 00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:25,360 looking for. That was very good. 789 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 1: I got a jalapeno cheeseburger that I thought was very 790 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:29,880 very tasty. 791 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,679 Speaker 2: So yeah, very I was pretty impressed by it. 792 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,039 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's something that like I would 793 00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,519 always seek out, but it's definitely something I would want 794 00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:39,599 to try again. I have gotten back into Wendy's recently, 795 00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:41,079 and I think it's kind of up there with Wendy's. 796 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 2: It's a funny. 797 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,519 Speaker 1: It's a funny sentence. Hey, I got back into Windy's recently. 798 00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:47,119 It's true that's where I am in my life. 799 00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:50,079 Speaker 2: But yesterday when I was feeling rough and after I 800 00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:51,639 got my blood work, just to make sure there wasn't 801 00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:54,639 anything really weird wrong, Like I was just craving a 802 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,840 cheeseburger and I almost went to Wendy's and I went 803 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,679 to five guys instead. I have getten it. I used 804 00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:02,199 to used to like when I was like thirteen right 805 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,400 and I could just see anything. God, I loved Wendy's. 806 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,599 Speaker 1: Wendy's thirteen in Ohio is like I think most meals 807 00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:09,800 are done at Wendy's for thirty. 808 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just prime Wendy's time Wendy's high school. 809 00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:15,360 Every day after high school, we would drive there, just 810 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,880 like Arbi's. Wendy started in Ohio. We're a fast food 811 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,039 capital of the world. We do. We do a lot 812 00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:22,480 of great stuff here, that's right. I'm very jous. I 813 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,360 have not had what a Burger. One of my best 814 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,239 friends from like high school, I still talked to all 815 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,119 the time. I think he went to school at the 816 00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,199 University of Texas, so he loved what a Burger. It 817 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,679 talks about it all the time still. So I did. 818 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:35,920 To me, it sounds amazing. 819 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,679 Speaker 1: I did do On the way back, I was back 820 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,119 at Houston, and I did go to Papasitos, which is 821 00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:44,039 the other restaurant people suggested, and that the Mexican restaurant, 822 00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:45,840 and that was very good. Although I think I was 823 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,199 told to get the fijidas and I did a burrito instead. 824 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,280 Speaker 2: And I'm like, I kind of regret. I wish I 825 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:55,000 would have done the fichidas. I didn't get some the fajitas. Travels, 826 00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:57,079 I had a labor and Charlie had to get I 827 00:36:57,159 --> 00:36:59,400 had to chance to get some bo Jangles and that 828 00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:01,239 was fun. The one I've never had bo jingles, I 829 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,840 definitely want to try that again pretty somewhere to pop eyes. 830 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,280 Uh el Grog says, how does Mike feel knowing he 831 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,920 is a better gamer, role model and person than Jeff 832 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,920 and Dan for having oriole Coke zero on today, it 833 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,360 feels good. I have to acknowledge it. I have to 834 00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:19,119 and my tribal chief you need to get one. I'm 835 00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:21,800 not over selling it. I was. I'm very impressed. 836 00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:24,039 Speaker 1: I want to be clear, Like before you had it, 837 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,760 I was was talking to Steph and she brought it up. 838 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,760 And she never cares about this gimmick shit. She's a 839 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,079 grown woman, like she doesn't care about that sort of thing. 840 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,039 But I guess her sister told her about it. It 841 00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:35,519 was good and my wife was like, hey, we should 842 00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:37,760 try it, And I'm like, okay, I guess, well, if 843 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,639 you want to, we're definitely making this happen. 844 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 2: So you sound like you two are about to like 845 00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:47,639 try hims or something. I'm gonna bring it in the bed. 846 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: Yeah absolutely, but no, I'm just like very curious to 847 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:52,559 see her reaction. 848 00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 2: But I'm like, I bet it's gonna work on me. 849 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,159 I'm gonna like it quite a bit. I tell you what, 850 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:57,800 Like you know they make they do a lot of 851 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,559 these gimmick cokes us Usually I either think they're fine 852 00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:02,880 l right straight up don't like them, like that spiced 853 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,400 coke zero, big disappointment they were dropped, the base one, 854 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,519 the Galaxy one. How do you think that one was not? 855 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,719 I didn't like that one that much either, Like this 856 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,199 one should maybe just be an ongoing flavor of coc 857 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:21,880 Now it's fantastic. I'm a very big gu remember vanilla coke, 858 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,519 which I think is probably still a thing, but no, 859 00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:25,519 coca is still a thing. It's like it's it's it 860 00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:29,519 is there. But it actually does have that kind of 861 00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:33,840 like Oreo cookie flavor too, And that's like the lingering 862 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,039 taste on your mouth. Is that like? And it's really good. 863 00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:38,960 It's right good. I'm gonna try it. 864 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 3: Uh. 865 00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 2: Gorgarth their first superstat, says Mike. I'm pretty sure you 866 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,360 were my first match. Marves' is capcom too against the 867 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,360 person in fifteen years. Thanks for picking the Japanese rum. 868 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,559 Couldn't find my assist. Now, I did play somebody who 869 00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:54,480 was using the Japanese rum. I didn't pick it though, 870 00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:57,039 I don't know how it happened. But if you played 871 00:38:57,039 --> 00:38:59,199 me and it was my my my team. I don't 872 00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:00,719 know if you heard Jeff my team and Morris is 873 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,239 Kalkma two Now is just every lady in the game 874 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,559 who has a hat. The fem had talls. So that's 875 00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:08,960 really good, that's really well. Vicky came up with the 876 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,079 decided that, so it was Yeah, so I have Joe, Valentine, 877 00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:16,320 Cammy and Ruby Hart so that's my team right now. 878 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,239 But yeah, yeah, ladies, sure, yeah, the hat ladies. The 879 00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:21,400 fem had talls. That's exciting. 880 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: Okay, well, I will want to play that game so 881 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:24,920 I'll see them in person. 882 00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 2: It's funny if I if I did actually play Goredguard there, 883 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,119 I will say so far, I want all my sets online. 884 00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:36,360 I feeling very happy, very competent in that game when 885 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,800 I played, Yeah, I was. I was just like blindly 886 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,760 pressing buttons and you seem to know what you were doing. 887 00:39:41,039 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 4: Magniet technically using a hat does that count? 888 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,760 Speaker 2: No, ladies, I said, ladies, ladies, ladies and hats. So no, 889 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,880 I'm Bison. No Magneto helmets is a little iff because Spiral, 890 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,199 I think, where's a helmet or whatever? And I'm not 891 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,199 I'm not playing a spiral. I'm sorry, no offense. Uh. 892 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,880 Next one, here's Willow. David says, since I correctly diagnosed 893 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,880 your guys COVID, I'll say Mike has parifhera aka vampire disease. 894 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,280 Sail the sun and take an iron supplements. You don't 895 00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:12,639 steal it from people's blood. There's no cure. Okay, I'll 896 00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:14,679 just never go outside again. Thank you, Willow. Yeah, that 897 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,679 sounds good to me already. X Kun of Effectus Placetation 898 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,320 five pro huge win for new gen Xbox in twenty 899 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,840 twenty six, new Xbox can be more powerful and hopefully 900 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,000 six hundred dollars plus it will have Steam and PlayStation games. 901 00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:28,880 Please spatis Fi Pro in Canada is nine hundred and 902 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,079 sixty dollars. That's too much for anyone to justify. What 903 00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:33,760 are what is the Xbox side of things there? Because 904 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,079 they're not gonna have a pro model. But we also, 905 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,159 you know, a Placetation six is maybe four years away. 906 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,679 There's no way the next Xbox is four years away. 907 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,800 I think, what does the place come in twenty twenty six? 908 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,519 That sounds right, but it ain't gonna be six hundred dollars. 909 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,280 Speaker 1: Like there's they've they've already built it up by saying 910 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,559 this will be the biggest leap between consoles, which we 911 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,199 just it's just no. 912 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,800 Speaker 2: Way that's true. But whatever, that's a lie they're but 913 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,039 they're gonna have to try to play to that. And 914 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:01,840 I think it's boutique. 915 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: I think it's I think the thing is probably eight 916 00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:07,960 hundred dollars, and really it could be nine hundred, and 917 00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:09,880 what do we just say if it could be, it's 918 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,079 going to be. So I think there's there's a world 919 00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:15,519 in which the next Xbox is mega boutique, mega powerful, 920 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,920 and they just try to sell it to only the 921 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,599 most hardcore Xbox fans who will pay just about anything. 922 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,559 Speaker 2: I think it's nine hundred dollars. We'll see again, a 923 00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:27,719 lot of this is going to be sort of decided 924 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,199 based off how well the Piece five pro does. I'm 925 00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:32,320 sure Microsoft is going to be paying very close attention 926 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:32,840 to this thing. 927 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just after this last generation that they will 928 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,199 I think they're done undercutting their own prices, both these companies. 929 00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 2: I am glad that these two are kind of out 930 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,480 of sync with each other. Finally, though right out, yes, 931 00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:47,079 it's clearly was desperately needed. 932 00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 1: It just didn't make it made everything so boring and 933 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,679 safe and conservative, and we just they needed to like 934 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,440 do their own thing and try to find ways to 935 00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:57,880 like get like hook shots in on the other one 936 00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,679 instead of just straight jabbing at one another. 937 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,679 Speaker 2: It was boring. Bandana Bush says. The rumor is the 938 00:42:03,679 --> 00:42:06,760 PlayStation five Pro is going to have architecture that modern 939 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,000 rDNA three a m d GPUs don't have. Have you 940 00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:13,400 all heard anything about that. I think that's what they 941 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,159 mean by quote advance ray tracing end quote. 942 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:17,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is what we talked about a 943 00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:19,599 little bit. It's going to have our DNA four features, 944 00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:23,599 probably to power the ray tracing, which is stuff that's like, again, 945 00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:26,559 this is what Nvidia GPUs have, not the same exact thing. 946 00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:29,639 Obviously it'll be AMD's version of that, but Nvidia has, 947 00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:33,679 you know, the tensor cores whatever they're called, to power 948 00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:37,000 the ray tracing, and that is something AMD has not 949 00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:39,679 been able to match even in our DNA three. So 950 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,079 that's probably going to be in the next generation of GPUs. 951 00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:45,159 It sounds like Sony has been asking for exactly that, 952 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,559 and we'll be able to debut this stuff in the 953 00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:48,280 PS five Pro. 954 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 2: Now again, I just don't who cares about ray tracing? 955 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,880 But I think, yeah, I think that's probably right. Jesse 956 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,719 Sachin says in the grouper verse, Jeff is the postmaster 957 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,920 at FedEx and Mike a doctor. Actually his parents proud 958 00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:03,559 you left getting behind, But you still host podcasts? What 959 00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:06,159 are they about? And what's the names? Uh? Do we 960 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:10,360 have like a conspiracy theory podcast? Yeah? Probably because because 961 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,239 we got to, like, we both have big important jobs, 962 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,960 We're gonna let our hair down a little bit. We like, 963 00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:17,400 we definitely start off with Bigfoot, but what we do 964 00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:20,519 one episode about like a big political conspiracy and it 965 00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:22,320 does way better than everything else, and then we just 966 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,960 immediately become grifters. 967 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 968 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know how to react to people when 969 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,320 they tell me they like conspiracy deers because I and 970 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,239 I don't want to ask them this, but I don't know, 971 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,079 it's like, oh, you mean, like you think that's like 972 00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:36,639 a fun thing even though you know it's not true, 973 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,880 or do you you actually believe it? I was at 974 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,840 a party and somebody's like, was there talking about Bigfoot? 975 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,239 For I was like, oh, yeah, I love Bigfoot. I 976 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,239 take someone all Bob and the parties like this, This 977 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,480 is a motherfucker really believe in Bigfoot? Or is it 978 00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:49,199 just like fun? 979 00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:51,679 Speaker 1: I think you're right because I think people the reason 980 00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:53,880 people like say, oh I do it for fun is 981 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,400 because they want to believe it, or they do believe it, 982 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,559 and they know they can get away with it. They 983 00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:00,000 say it's just a joke. I think you're one hundred 984 00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:03,159 percent right about that. I only ever like it when 985 00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:06,199 it's I like watching a bunch of those flat earth 986 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,559 conspiracy videos and then I like watching all the people 987 00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:10,400 that debunk it, because that's watching it. 988 00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:12,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. I hate watching exactly. 989 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,360 Speaker 1: You're you're you're all cowing it or yeah, yeah, all right, 990 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,199 and I'm like losing my mind and pulling my hair out. 991 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,960 And then I'll watch a bunch of smart people debunk 992 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:19,639 it and that's a good time. 993 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. To be clear, I did not like easy I 994 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,639 hate them. But yeah, our pockets will be called losing 995 00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:27,440 our mind. There we go. I like it. Yeah, perfect, 996 00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:31,960 Uh to be maybe we get really into politics to 997 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,360 do that. And to be clear, what I remember telling 998 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,280 Dan about that when I was hanging out with him 999 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,639 was I thought, I told him, I'm surprised, how butch 1000 00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:44,480 you talk about politics. It realized that right talk about 1001 00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:47,920 politics more than anybody I know. That's not true. 1002 00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:51,679 Speaker 1: He I mean, he pays a ton of attention to 1003 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,320 that stuff in like a cursory way where it's like 1004 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,880 he does know what's going on and is ready to 1005 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:57,760 talk about it all the time. 1006 00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,320 Speaker 2: But all I do is do it to is a 1007 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,480 comble band that he around like Mike. Mike thinks I 1008 00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:03,920 no warm uposics And what he does isn't he an idiot? 1009 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,920 Dance a bad dance using his bad memory against me. 1010 00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:13,280 Lately to meet the sea and this is fantastic, right, 1011 00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:16,320 he brought up like, oh, I finally met grumpy Mic 1012 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,679 while we're traveling, But yeah, Dad, one of my crows 1013 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,400 was flaring up the one day. And then when I 1014 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,360 had COVID and you made me walk up a hill 1015 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,519 for a mile. Yeah, like you heard that was grumpy Mic. 1016 00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:27,639 But it's like you had your excuses. You're so good 1017 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,599 most of the times. So good. 1018 00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:31,119 Speaker 4: Uh. 1019 00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:34,599 Speaker 2: Anyways, let's talk shit about Dan. Dan was wild today 1020 00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:38,039 with some of the things he was asking. Yeah, well 1021 00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:40,400 I don't remember any of them, but yeah, I remember too. 1022 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:46,840 May I remind you please? Number one, does metal conduct electricity? 1023 00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:59,000 Pretty wild? Is all beef cow? Yeah, he did say 1024 00:45:59,000 --> 00:45:59,559 those things. 1025 00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:03,280 Speaker 1: At this point, it's like it's so shocking that I 1026 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,480 just have to kind of like immediately let it go 1027 00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:06,760 out in one ear and out the other. 1028 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,400 Speaker 2: Uh. But it's like, yeah, of course, like what else 1029 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,119 canucks like if you wanted to? When you put the 1030 00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:15,800 batteries in, what do you like? What do you think 1031 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:22,840 the metals art battery? What are lights? What are light bulbs? Actually? Tom, 1032 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,800 what is that tungsten? Doing you think tungsten? 1033 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:26,039 Speaker 4: All? 1034 00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 2: Right? I love you, Dan. Next up this from Chris Pratt, 1035 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,360 who uh oh mikes my bad. We actually have one 1036 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,800 from a postman Dan. Postman Dan, Is that right? Why 1037 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,519 I feel like I'm missing something? Postman Dan says, Thursday 1038 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,079 beef and cheddar injection. This is right? Is this? It 1039 00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,440 is this the event horizon of console gaming? It feels 1040 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,480 like we're heading for a gaming black hole. Jeff, I've 1041 00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:53,320 been listening to an audiobook about the history of computers. 1042 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,880 I'm learning a lot about computer science finally, right, right, 1043 00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:58,760 So I've learned. I'm learning about Moore's law and things 1044 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,280 like that, and I feel it was like Moore's law 1045 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,320 is not a thing. Anymore. 1046 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 4: Right, it's not a thing. 1047 00:47:05,199 --> 00:47:11,199 Speaker 2: It's well, it was a thing. What's not a law? Right, okay, law, 1048 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,760 it's not like Newton's law of gravity. I understand that. Yeah, thanks. 1049 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,760 Speaker 1: For a long time there did follow this principle of 1050 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,400 they got twice as powerful and twice and half as 1051 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,440 expensive at the same rate for a very long time. 1052 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 2: And it's definitely not a thing anymore. 1053 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,239 Speaker 1: They will I think what's happening here is actually a 1054 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,159 good sort of allegory for what will happen with consoles. 1055 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,000 So what's going to happen with Moore's law is they 1056 00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:38,760 were just shrinking the size of the the die, and 1057 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,880 they were shrinking the size of the lithograph that they 1058 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,960 were using. So when they talk about like seven nanometers 1059 00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:46,880 versus five nanometers, that's just like basically how thick the 1060 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,679 lines are on the printed circuit board, and the smaller 1061 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,639 those lines are, the less heat they produce, so the 1062 00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:53,320 more efficient they are and the more powerful they can 1063 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,199 be running the same instructions. And at the same time 1064 00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,840 they were actually able to make the instructions run better. Overall, 1065 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,880 they were improving that that stuff whatever that is kind 1066 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,639 of reached the physical limit. They kind of can't make 1067 00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:07,880 things that much smaller than three and animeters, two and animeters, 1068 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,360 and every when they do it takes a lot longer 1069 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,079 than it's taken in the past. So what they're gonna 1070 00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:13,880 do is they're going to find new ways to make 1071 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,360 these things improve in terms of performance, but it's going 1072 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,519 to require some more experimentation and thinking outside the box 1073 00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:21,480 instead of just doing the same thing they've always done. 1074 00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:23,800 And I think we just talked about we're glad that 1075 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,039 Microsoft and PlayStation are out of sync and are now 1076 00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:28,199 trying things that are different for what they've always done. 1077 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,480 So they will also kind of slowly find new ways 1078 00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:33,800 ways to build on top of the console experience, it 1079 00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:36,559 experience and keep it valid. If they don't, they're kind 1080 00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:38,840 of fucked. So they're gonna have to like that. And 1081 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,639 that's the same thing for the power. 1082 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,199 Speaker 2: Of the processors, Chris Pratt says. My friend Jim Ryan 1083 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,599 said tupas would appear in eight K on PlayStation five Pro. 1084 00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:50,159 We've come a long way since the days of stomping 1085 00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,880 yupahs on an ARKADECRT. Yes, we have Chris Pratt, that's right, 1086 00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:02,320 that's beautiful thing. After a period period and then dot 1087 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:09,920 dot dot every timepus thinking about those tupas. Connle Wood 1088 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,519 says long Floppy Bird too was revealed to be crypto junk? 1089 00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:16,079 Is that doesn't seem too surprising. I don't know if 1090 00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:19,119 it's true, but it's the Flappy Bird revival of crypto thing. 1091 00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:21,679 Speaker 1: Getting bad vibes from it when people mentioned that it 1092 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:26,039 was apparently acquired by some holding company and that's how 1093 00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:28,320 they they and then they took some other game and 1094 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,559 made that Flappy Bird. So yeah, people in chat are saying, yes, 1095 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:33,320 that doesn't seem too surprising. 1096 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,719 Speaker 2: Holy shit, I'm glad. I never really cared to watch 1097 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,079 my flat people, but I know he met a lot 1098 00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:40,079 to you, Jeff, I'm sorry, thank you. Floppy Bird does 1099 00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:40,639 mean a lot to me. 1100 00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:43,920 Speaker 1: I like that game a lot, But anytime a holding 1101 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,840 company shows up like by, I'm like, oh those. 1102 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,679 Speaker 2: Are crypto bros. This is Yeah, that not surprising at all. 1103 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,960 Coddy Bishop says, have you ever watched the cinema Snob 1104 00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:55,400 on YouTube? I have not, Jeff not either, No, I 1105 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,639 does not does not ring a bell. Speaking of cinemas, 1106 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:03,800 did you see Beetlejuice Beetlejuice? Nah, it seemed mid to me. 1107 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,239 So when you went and confirmed that, not too surprised. 1108 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,519 Some people do like it, though, so maybe I'm just 1109 00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:12,639 you know, just way, way, way more. 1110 00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,679 Speaker 1: It's fine than I've heard people who like and even 1111 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,360 the people who like it are like ten do agree. 1112 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,119 Speaker 2: I almost want you to see it just to make sure, 1113 00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:21,440 like I'm not crazy, because there's just one scene in 1114 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,239 the movie where, like they the script doesn't want Beetlejuice 1115 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,519 to the next seed, and instead of like using like 1116 00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:30,159 the subplots going around, like the ex wife who wants 1117 00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:32,400 to kill him as a means to like get him 1118 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,599 out of the scene, he just goes, I have to 1119 00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:39,039 go to the bathroom and like goes a different way 1120 00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:41,559 down the hallway than the other character. I'm like, what 1121 00:50:41,679 --> 00:50:44,679 that's It's crazy. And then when he reappears, he's like, 1122 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,320 I have to find Lydia. I'm like, yeah, well you 1123 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,480 you you're the one who left her. I don't know. 1124 00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:53,679 I was going crazy. This sounds pretty bad. 1125 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. I was hearing good stuff about this moment until 1126 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,320 Mike said, like always kind of man. And then after 1127 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,800 he said that, I started seeing all they bought takes 1128 00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:03,400 like they said it's bad, and was like yo, damn, 1129 00:51:03,519 --> 00:51:05,079 maybe I should he loved it. 1130 00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:10,519 Speaker 2: He broke the damn Yeah yeah, uh yeah. Cinnamon Cinemas Now, 1131 00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:13,719 maybe I'll look that up. Connor Wood says, also Anna 1132 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,039 Perna and Xbox jobs. Garbage news today, yeah, not great, 1133 00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:18,360 not great news day. Huh. 1134 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:18,679 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1135 00:51:18,679 --> 00:51:21,639 Speaker 2: It's just a kind of a been that way the 1136 00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,719 roller coaster right where things are good and then things 1137 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,840 are really bad again. Mikey O'Leary says, p S five 1138 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,519 pro officially announced. You know what that means? Quackshot remake confirmed. 1139 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,920 R let's Drake's got to stop dodging it. Nick says 1140 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,039 In the Mushroom Kingdom, they're eating the goombas, these brothers 1141 00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:44,639 that came in, they're eating the Cooper. Uh it's pretty good. Yeah, yes, lost, 1142 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:50,079 he lost his mind for sure, absolutely. Uh. James Downs says, 1143 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,760 do you I'll tell you what that's that's not hopping 1144 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,079 the whole Ohio being a mean state lately. Thing, by 1145 00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:59,519 the way, that's great. Uh. James Down says, do you 1146 00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:01,440 think even the PS six will have enough of a 1147 00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:03,800 jump at technology to make the upgrade from PS five 1148 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:08,159 worth it? Will there be software to support it? I 1149 00:52:08,159 --> 00:52:08,519 don't know. 1150 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,920 Speaker 1: I feel like these next two to four years, however 1151 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,639 long it takes to get a PS six will probably 1152 00:52:14,679 --> 00:52:15,320 be closer. 1153 00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:15,719 Speaker 2: To four than two. 1154 00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:18,840 Speaker 1: Is about figuring out a lot of the problems that 1155 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,320 they will need to figure out to make a PS 1156 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,239 six make sense. And I have some faith that that 1157 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,719 will happen, just because there's so much money at stake. 1158 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,599 So yeah, I think they'll be able to get a 1159 00:52:29,639 --> 00:52:32,800 powerful console, sell it for a relatively reasonable price. What 1160 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,119 will be reasonable then will be seven hundred dollars though, 1161 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,800 and then whether or not will there be software. I 1162 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,280 think I think a lot of developers are going to 1163 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,000 be figuring that stuff out. I think they mostly have, 1164 00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:43,920 and now we're going to see the fruits of them 1165 00:52:44,039 --> 00:52:45,840 sort of experimenting and be like, here's how we're going 1166 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,840 to make games make sense. And I think we'll start 1167 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,320 to really see that land in about three to four years. 1168 00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,920 Speaker 2: El Gregg says, actual question for once, but there is 1169 00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:57,800 no shot that GTA six, Muster Underworlds or even Dragon 1170 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,280 Zongba two will be sixty FS on the PlayStation five 1171 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:01,119 pro Right. 1172 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,800 Speaker 1: It's hard for me to just go off the top 1173 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,360 of my head, but I mean, I think. 1174 00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:10,400 Speaker 2: Monster Hunter Wild's probably I don't think any Capcom games 1175 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,400 were in that initial list, right, there's no Dragons dog Whether, 1176 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,679 there was no like Resident Evil for uh or you know, 1177 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:18,199 anything like that. 1178 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,679 Speaker 1: Dragon's Dogma two, My guess I'm trying to remember. I 1179 00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,599 thought that was pretty CPU bound, that they were trying 1180 00:53:24,599 --> 00:53:26,960 to like simulate so much across the world there, And 1181 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,559 of course GPUs aren getting better at simulation. They are, 1182 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,480 but I don't think these games, these developers are actually 1183 00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,719 taking advantage of that for these games. And I don't 1184 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,639 know how to reach for the Moon Engine works in 1185 00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,400 regards to that. So yeah, I think Dragon's Dogma two 1186 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,079 will probably continue to be thirty. Maybe it gets like 1187 00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:44,079 a forty five frames per second mode, which I wouldn't hate. 1188 00:53:44,199 --> 00:53:48,159 GTA six, I'm not like ready to confirm. Oh, that's 1189 00:53:48,159 --> 00:53:50,679 definitely only gonna be thirty frames per second. Maybe some 1190 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,480 miracle happens. But with GTA, has any GTA since three 1191 00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:57,000 launched it higher than thirty frames per second on console? 1192 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,119 It was like GT three even sixty frames. 1193 00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:03,840 Speaker 3: Was unlocked, but it ran around thirty. 1194 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,719 Speaker 2: Okay, right, it was it went up and down. They 1195 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:06,280 might do that. 1196 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,159 Speaker 1: They might unlock it and say, hey, just use your 1197 00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,599 VRR to get like a smoother experience. I don't know, 1198 00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,519 I'm gonna it's probably be closer to thirty than the 1199 00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:14,119 sixty though. 1200 00:54:14,679 --> 00:54:16,960 Speaker 2: Edgar Marina says about to hit ten thousand matches on 1201 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,280 street Fighter six, send help. Hey, you know you need 1202 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,199 to jump on that Marvels Capcom Fighting game collection things 1203 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,800 with me. Yeah that I throwed down a Marvel. 1204 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,039 Speaker 4: Baby only ten thousand, Edgar, what's going on? 1205 00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:28,320 Speaker 2: Buddy? 1206 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,800 Speaker 4: You need you need to put this number up. Come on, Bobby, 1207 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,000 I was gonna I think I have like twenty or 1208 00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:33,599 something like that. 1209 00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:36,880 Speaker 3: I want to play some shouts to Egger. That's all 1210 00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:40,000 the people I met at EVO. Ten thousand. 1211 00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:43,760 Speaker 4: Hell yeah, good needs help getting this number up. Let's go, baby. 1212 00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:48,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do want to play some more street Fighter 1213 00:54:48,199 --> 00:54:51,320 six once Terry comes out, for sure. Uh. Brito says 1214 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,559 SteamOS is great, but I found the base deck is 1215 00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:58,199 not super optimized for TV hookup. Who Microsoft aavetctera? Do 1216 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,400 you think might be the first to the stationary PC? 1217 00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:04,519 Is TV Space? Sorry if I misinterpreted your comments. I 1218 00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:07,519 got here. That's that's that's basically kind of what I 1219 00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,079 already made a jump for that Mark at one time, right, 1220 00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:11,599 they made a. 1221 00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:14,719 Speaker 1: Play there, right, I think uh a little early maybe 1222 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,480 a little early kind of misreading the market at that time. Also, 1223 00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:22,000 I think people were rightful, rightfully skeptical of like a 1224 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,360 steam big picture mode at that moment. That's it's really improved. 1225 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,119 I think if you take the steam Os experience now 1226 00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:29,679 put it on stuff. I don't know who necessarily first 1227 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,239 shaker w a bet right now, it does feel like 1228 00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,639 it is probably gonna be steam Os, and they'll probably 1229 00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:36,559 just partner up with like a SEUs or something one 1230 00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:40,800 of these small tiny PC manufacturers had that that actually 1231 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,760 launch with steam Os, and that could be very cool 1232 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,880 at this moment, but I think that Microsoft will have 1233 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:47,559 to respond. 1234 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,119 Speaker 2: You know, I'm learning about in my computer book right now. 1235 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:51,960 I would love to hear it actually about how about 1236 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,280 how about how z Rocks was the one who funded 1237 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,000 a lot of the major developments of the of the 1238 00:55:57,039 --> 00:56:00,320 Internet and personal computers and then like didn't gooies yeap, 1239 00:56:01,199 --> 00:56:03,159 like didn't like know how to actually make anybody or 1240 00:56:03,199 --> 00:56:04,079 sell any of it. 1241 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,800 Speaker 1: Have you have you ever seen Pirates of Silicon Valley? No, 1242 00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:09,639 you're reading this right now, you should go. Honestly, I 1243 00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:12,480 don't know where it might just be on YouTube. That's 1244 00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:16,360 about Steve Jobs and uh and Bill Gates and about 1245 00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:17,639 how they basically. 1246 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,920 Speaker 2: Like, there's a whole speech at the end. We both 1247 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,320 have these rich neighbors called Xerox, and we went into 1248 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,199 their house and stole their ship. And you want to 1249 00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:26,000 say I stole from you? We both stole from Xerox. 1250 00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:28,079 You know, great movie. It really may have seen the 1251 00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:30,000 end of that's a TV movie, right. I may seem 1252 00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:33,320 when it like first came out. I remember because I 1253 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,840 remember because it wasn't it a sticking point that Steve 1254 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,199 Jobs were trying to say, you stole the mouse from us? Yes, 1255 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:40,639 and he's like, what are you talking? 1256 00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:42,679 Speaker 1: You know, we both stole it from Xerox, you fucking 1257 00:56:42,679 --> 00:56:45,079 crazy person. And not to be fair, he definitely stole 1258 00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:45,800 a lot from Mac. 1259 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:51,800 Speaker 2: But I love imagining this alternate reality where Xerox is 1260 00:56:52,039 --> 00:56:54,800 the computer company and it could have been it should 1261 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,159 have been a bear, right, all the research a lot 1262 00:56:57,199 --> 00:56:57,400 of you. 1263 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely, yes, Sark, I love about that stuff. What is 1264 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:01,760 the what is this book? 1265 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,000 Speaker 2: Uh, it's called The Dream Machine. It's it's it's it's 1266 00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:10,440 largely from link Lighter's perspective or leak lick lighter. Right, 1267 00:57:10,599 --> 00:57:13,320 that guy, the guy who like first was like detailing 1268 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,000 what the internet would be. Oh okay, sure his name 1269 00:57:16,039 --> 00:57:18,760 is a bunch of letters than lick lighter. Yeah, okay, 1270 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:19,840 all right, Like. 1271 00:57:21,559 --> 00:57:23,960 Speaker 4: You should listen to the behind the bustar episodes on 1272 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,079 sip jobs. It's really good. They really go in detail 1273 00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:29,719 of how he managed that company. It's pretty good. 1274 00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:34,400 Speaker 2: J c R lick lighter excuse me, okay, JCR lick lighter. Okay. Yeah. 1275 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,519 The guy who, uh, symbiosis was his memo that detailed 1276 00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:41,639 what personal computers and what would become the Internet could 1277 00:57:41,679 --> 00:57:47,000 possibly be. And yeah, uh. Next up is from Antonio 1278 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,280 Morales link at member for twenty months. Think. He says, 1279 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,320 now that time has passed, I can finally admit this. 1280 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,639 Dan was right. Kirby is not a good speed running game. 1281 00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,159 How was that Dan's position? Dan was, it's not a 1282 00:57:57,199 --> 00:58:01,920 good video game. Wow. But it was his attempts to 1283 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,880 try to speed run it in the TENRIBLD Championships that 1284 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,880 really set him off against like double tapping to run them. Yeah. 1285 00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:11,360 Speaker 1: I kind of got into the I kind of gotten 1286 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,400 to Kirby with that stuff, but I get it. 1287 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,719 Speaker 2: It's an acquiry taste. Alian Miracle says, what's this about 1288 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,039 squirrel Girls? And look, I don't have to elaborate on 1289 00:58:20,119 --> 00:58:24,000 everything I say. Matt Rare Monkey says, how many people 1290 00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:25,679 is just the fuck up? 1291 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,760 Speaker 3: Hang on, how many years have you given me ship 1292 00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,480 for my fox thing? And now you're on squirrel Girls 1293 00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:31,920 and you think. 1294 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:37,199 Speaker 2: You don't like squirrel Girls? To be clear, God, I 1295 00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:42,480 don't talk. I don't like them too much. Matt Rare 1296 00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:45,239 Munkey says, how many people did you squirrel girl? No 1297 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:49,119 gadgets a rat? Okay, there were squirrels in that show 1298 00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:52,320 in that one episode. I'm just asking questions. No's she's 1299 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,440 a mouse or probably more of a mouse than a rat. 1300 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,280 She's a mouse. Matt Rare Munkey says, how many people 1301 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,320 is justin one going to make refund Marble cap. 1302 00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:04,199 Speaker 4: Come my god, oh my god, this motherfucker. You can't 1303 00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:07,320 in Marvel's Captain and in dis Collection, you can't assign 1304 00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:10,800 like shortcuts for the supers. So he's playing sang GiB 1305 00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:14,000 So he was fucking level three motherfuckers out of the blue, 1306 00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:16,639 out of nowhere. Because if you had to do the motion, 1307 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,760 you can see a comment, or you had to Champagne. 1308 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,000 Now he's doing She's like, because of Marvel, you move 1309 00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:23,840 like a thousand miles per hour. He was like running 1310 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,599 and SHOs level three motherfuckers left and right all night. 1311 00:59:26,639 --> 00:59:27,480 He was crazy. 1312 00:59:27,519 --> 00:59:30,360 Speaker 2: I thought, on ranked mode, you couldn't do that super 1313 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,320 shortcut thing at least, but who knows, maybe he's messing 1314 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:33,079 around on log. 1315 00:59:34,159 --> 00:59:36,440 Speaker 4: He was first cooking people. He's crazy. 1316 00:59:36,599 --> 00:59:39,880 Speaker 2: They're the like the ceiling is very high. Marvelsus's cap 1317 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,519 on too, And I was worried about that, just jumping 1318 00:59:41,519 --> 00:59:43,679 into a random online matches because like you know, you 1319 00:59:43,719 --> 00:59:46,519 can't do things like infinites and and and whatnot. But 1320 00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:49,480 so at least so far, I haven't like had a 1321 00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:52,280 bathroom like you know, just want to throw my computer away, 1322 00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,519 which is the things that happens in other fighting games. 1323 00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:57,360 Speaker 4: Today, I got one Infinite today down on somebody and 1324 00:59:57,599 --> 00:59:59,519 doesn't I can't get anymore. 1325 00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:01,199 Speaker 2: Is it the iron Man one or something else? 1326 01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:01,559 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1327 01:00:01,719 --> 01:00:01,880 Speaker 3: I do. 1328 01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:03,800 Speaker 4: I use war Machine, but for some reason, I could 1329 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,079 it get it in war Machine done, so I like, oh, well, 1330 01:00:06,119 --> 01:00:08,280 I'm gonna play on fucking I know Ironment it's better, 1331 01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,079 but I kind of play as war Machine anyways, because 1332 01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:12,519 I like his bark when he does Proton Canon more. 1333 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:14,960 Speaker 2: It's my Sunday's best. 1334 01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:19,000 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yes, so right, yeah, this is fucking war 1335 01:00:19,079 --> 01:00:19,920 Machine rules. 1336 01:00:20,719 --> 01:00:23,880 Speaker 2: And next up is Jay Reunpurdo says, Jeff, How can 1337 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,599 you say Xbox isn't strong when they're about to overtake 1338 01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,360 PlayStation revenue? Both could do better, but Xbox just needs 1339 01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:33,000 to release games. Yeah, I mean, I. 1340 01:00:33,239 --> 01:00:35,480 Speaker 1: Think it was the point of comparison that we're making. 1341 01:00:35,559 --> 01:00:38,800 Is that why is PlayStation feels so much like they 1342 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,400 can get away with this price. It's because they don't 1343 01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,519 feel much competition from Xbox in hardly in terms of 1344 01:00:44,599 --> 01:00:48,119 selling consoles and console sales. Right, yes, if there was, 1345 01:00:48,639 --> 01:00:51,320 I think it's the It's the thing the sentence I said, 1346 01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:53,519 we're gonna set this at seven hundred dollars is PS 1347 01:00:53,559 --> 01:00:55,440 five pro and what are you gonna do? We don't 1348 01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:56,840 think you're gonna go buy an Xbox and we know 1349 01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,039 you're not gonna go buy a PC? And is that 1350 01:00:59,639 --> 01:01:01,480 not how they feel? Is there a reason they shouldn't 1351 01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:01,960 feel that way? 1352 01:01:02,159 --> 01:01:04,039 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't see the argument why they shouldn't 1353 01:01:04,039 --> 01:01:04,440 feel that way. 1354 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,159 Speaker 1: I think they write they're right to feel that way, 1355 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,400 and so they're gonna get away with it because Xbox 1356 01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,639 is not strong in that particular way. Now, maybe is 1357 01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,440 Xbox stronger for setting up for some new future of 1358 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,039 what video games look like? That that feels like a 1359 01:01:18,039 --> 01:01:21,079 post console future. Maybe I think that's yet to be seen, 1360 01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:24,519 but maybe they are. And having Call of Duty obviously 1361 01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:26,920 helps with that. I mean, if we're talking about the 1362 01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,000 long term future fifty years from now, maybe Microsoft is 1363 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,880 in a better position. But right now for setting the 1364 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,199 price of a console, clearly PlayStations in a better position. 1365 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,440 Speaker 2: Concord the plant says, might switch joycon stick stopped working again. 1366 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,360 Well that's fun. Sorry to hear about that. Yeah, that's ugh, 1367 01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,599 I'm sorry. Yeah that boy Jerras is why does Star 1368 01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:46,480 Wars Outlaws take like ten plus hours to get interesting? 1369 01:01:46,519 --> 01:01:48,599 It's a problem with airy ubisal game and it makes 1370 01:01:48,599 --> 01:01:52,519 me worried for Assasus Creech Shadows you. Yeah, we're playing Outlaws? 1371 01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:53,800 Is it a slow start again? 1372 01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:58,360 Speaker 1: It's scattered start? Is I think how I would describe it, 1373 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,960 Where it's just you feel like there's probably some interesting 1374 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,760 stuff over here, and then the game sort of like 1375 01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,880 just sends you in a bunch of different directions at first, 1376 01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,719 and then once you start getting your ship and you're traveling, 1377 01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,400 you run into like fucking Lando Calrissian and you can 1378 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:11,920 go to tattoo In and do some cool stuff on 1379 01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:13,719 with Jaba. Even though it's tatooing, we've seen it a 1380 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,320 million times, but there is more interesting stuff on there. 1381 01:02:16,639 --> 01:02:18,719 Speaker 2: It is definitely a game that gets better the more 1382 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:19,280 you play. 1383 01:02:19,519 --> 01:02:21,360 Speaker 1: I liked it enough it's at the start, but like 1384 01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,760 the more I played, I'm like, yeah, they maybe should 1385 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,360 have given you some of these blaster abilities quicker at 1386 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:26,719 the start. 1387 01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,880 Speaker 2: You see they're like patching some of the early stealth 1388 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,960 missions that make them a bit more forgiving. Apparently that 1389 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,239 was a bit of a pain point with people. 1390 01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,239 Speaker 1: I think that's the right move because I think some 1391 01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,280 of the later stealth missions that I've done post ten 1392 01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,760 hours into the game is have been very interesting. A 1393 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,360 lot of a big part of that is they're just 1394 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,599 more interesting levels in terms of their design, and then 1395 01:02:44,599 --> 01:02:47,119 they're also more interesting in their setting because I'm like 1396 01:02:47,159 --> 01:02:50,639 going into imperial facilities and that's just cool to see 1397 01:02:50,679 --> 01:02:54,039 and seeing all the different stormtroopers and stuff like that. Yeah, 1398 01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:56,119 a game that definitely gets better, and if they could 1399 01:02:57,079 --> 01:02:58,320 expedite that process of. 1400 01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,400 Speaker 2: It getting better, that the game would better for all. 1401 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,239 And Jedi Moss says, a wild thing about the PlayStation 1402 01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,440 five Pro video is a big marketing beat is improvements 1403 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,599 to PS four games. Jets don't matter, No games are 1404 01:03:09,679 --> 01:03:14,400 left behind anymore. Yeah. Yeah, there's like like sixty games 1405 01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:14,960 or something like that. 1406 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,239 Speaker 1: They say, we'll just be improved day one. It doesn't 1407 01:03:17,239 --> 01:03:18,719 feel like a huge list. Maybe it's more than that, 1408 01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,480 maybe it's a bunch more, but I thought that was 1409 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,880 the number I heard. Yeah, the people will want to 1410 01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,360 see that. It's just not some magic bullet that's gonna 1411 01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,159 get people what they really want, which is Bloodborne at 1412 01:03:28,159 --> 01:03:29,119 sixty frames per second. 1413 01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,440 Speaker 2: So right, all right, that's it for supersets right now. 1414 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:34,199 If you all want to send in anymore, we will 1415 01:03:34,199 --> 01:03:36,400 read them before the end of the show. But Jeff 1416 01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:36,920 back to you. 1417 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:37,800 Speaker 3: All right. 1418 01:03:38,119 --> 01:03:39,960 Speaker 1: What we're gonna do is take another quick break while 1419 01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,320 I get set up for our tier list. We're gonna 1420 01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:46,320 do a tier list of mid gen refreshes and upgrades 1421 01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,480 and slim models and all that stuff. 1422 01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:54,639 Speaker 2: Right after this. All right, we're back. 1423 01:03:55,159 --> 01:03:57,960 Speaker 1: It's a game mess asides, I'm your house Jeff Grubb, 1424 01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,320 there's Mike Minatti Stell. We are going to do a 1425 01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,000 tier list. So I made a little thing a tear maker. 1426 01:04:03,159 --> 01:04:04,599 They have a bun that has a bunch of the 1427 01:04:04,679 --> 01:04:10,199 console refreshes. Whether those are slims, top loaders, pros, whatever, 1428 01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,440 they're all on here, sps, They're all represented in one 1429 01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:14,920 way or the other for the most part. Maybe I 1430 01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,119 forgot something. I don't think I really did, though, but 1431 01:04:18,199 --> 01:04:21,039 if I did, we'll cross that bridge. But Mike, I 1432 01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:22,639 want to ask you, what do you think is the 1433 01:04:22,639 --> 01:04:25,159 best criteria we should use here, because I'm thinking maybe 1434 01:04:25,159 --> 01:04:26,960 we should just go based on vibes. 1435 01:04:27,519 --> 01:04:29,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there are so many things that it 1436 01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:33,039 is a lot of a I think vibe, the new 1437 01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:37,239 you know, appearance, maybe maybe a price, if there were 1438 01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,360 any actual improvements to the hardware, stuff like that, because yeah, 1439 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,639 there's a lot of things there. Yeah, I think there's 1440 01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:43,320 a lot of things. 1441 01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,079 Speaker 1: And I think these consoles get by, especially like once 1442 01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:49,760 they're such known quantities on how much people are excited 1443 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,239 by them, and there's a bunch of reasons they might 1444 01:04:51,239 --> 01:04:52,079 be excited about it. 1445 01:04:53,239 --> 01:04:55,199 Speaker 2: All right, Oh sorry, my heartburn's really hit me. I'm 1446 01:04:55,199 --> 01:04:56,400 just sicking. All right, there we go. 1447 01:04:57,199 --> 01:05:00,840 Speaker 1: Okay, let's just kind of go in the general order 1448 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,320 I have here, although I put the NES top loader. 1449 01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:04,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just do that one first. That one feels 1450 01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,440 like an early good example. All right, Mike, we had 1451 01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,239 the NES, then we got the NES top loader. How 1452 01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,159 do you feel about that one? What tier do you 1453 01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:12,960 want to put in here? 1454 01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,320 Speaker 1: We have S, A, B, C, and D and I 1455 01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,199 could add tiers or remove them as needed. 1456 01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,440 Speaker 2: Probably enough, Tiars toplader is pretty good. I mean the 1457 01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,920 best thing about the top loader is that it just worked. 1458 01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:23,840 Beat It just worked. 1459 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:28,079 Speaker 1: Yes, you'll toast there right Forever I thought it was 1460 01:05:28,119 --> 01:05:30,360 the games, It's like, oh no, it was the NES 1461 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,000 that was the problem, and the top loader just fixed 1462 01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:34,800 all those issues. So every game I had that I 1463 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,760 was blowing into or whatever or cleaning with those alcohol 1464 01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,280 swabs just worked when I put them in the top loader, 1465 01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:41,760 and that was very exciting to see. 1466 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,760 Speaker 2: Also, I kind of like the way it lookshi. The 1467 01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,199 way it looks it's almost so small. It's like, oh wow, 1468 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,400 this thing almost feels kind of like it felt more 1469 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,840 like a toy than ever. Yeah, it always was a toy, 1470 01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:53,880 but that was also kind of the neat you know 1471 01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:55,719 thing of it, and we talked about Moore's law. Here 1472 01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,199 was a point where the revision of a console would 1473 01:05:58,199 --> 01:06:01,719 be significantly small at this point because it was just 1474 01:06:02,159 --> 01:06:06,239 so much easier to make smaller versions of these things. Granted, 1475 01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:08,400 at this point, you know, this is a revision of 1476 01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,760 hardware that dated back to like eighty four. 1477 01:06:10,679 --> 01:06:12,880 Speaker 1: And pan with a fama coom right, and it was 1478 01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:14,880 based on a processor that had been around for a 1479 01:06:15,079 --> 01:06:16,360 very long time at that point. 1480 01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,360 Speaker 2: So yeah, you have the new controls with it that 1481 01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,320 are a bit more comfortable, though you know, I still 1482 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,679 have more nostalgia for the hard edges of the original 1483 01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,960 endance control. I like that power switching it. I was 1484 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:31,480 felt satisfying, that big red switch, the throw up and down. 1485 01:06:31,639 --> 01:06:34,440 I mean, I feel like it's probably at least an 1486 01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:35,280 a right. 1487 01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking maybe a BEE, just because it 1488 01:06:38,639 --> 01:06:41,760 came so late, or at least it felt it came 1489 01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,159 so late that it was like there weren't a lot 1490 01:06:44,159 --> 01:06:46,480 of people out there getting these things, and I think 1491 01:06:46,519 --> 01:06:47,840 a lot of people didn't feel the need for it, 1492 01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,119 even though obviously would have solved the problem. I kind 1493 01:06:50,119 --> 01:06:51,280 of lean toward B but I don't know if you 1494 01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:52,599 want to put in a we could we could start 1495 01:06:52,599 --> 01:06:54,719 off strong. And I think it's an day for now, 1496 01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:56,760 and okay, that's so I. 1497 01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,480 Speaker 2: Feel good about it. I think that's fine. Okay. The 1498 01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:02,719 Atari Links generation two. I didn't know there was more 1499 01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:04,119 than one Atarry Links. Jeff. 1500 01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think kind of just by a you know, 1501 01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,760 sort of default, maybe the thing can go pretty low. 1502 01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:10,599 Speaker 2: I don't hate it. 1503 01:07:10,599 --> 01:07:12,480 Speaker 1: I mean when I look at that it's I think 1504 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,440 it was just like skinnier maybe or maybe they had 1505 01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:15,280 a better screen on it. 1506 01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,119 Speaker 2: But I don't know much about this thing. I'm shot 1507 01:07:17,159 --> 01:07:20,079 that the Links lasted long enough to get a revision. Yeah, 1508 01:07:20,199 --> 01:07:21,039 it was definitely. 1509 01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:22,360 Speaker 1: I think it was like one where it's like I 1510 01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,760 think there was some serious problems with the first generation 1511 01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:26,360 or something like that, and they just kind of made 1512 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:27,760 into somewhat better. 1513 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,079 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 1514 01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:30,719 Speaker 1: We can either put it one of these tiers or 1515 01:07:30,719 --> 01:07:32,679 you can just like make a dumper tier and just 1516 01:07:32,719 --> 01:07:33,199 like dump it. 1517 01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:36,000 Speaker 2: Off like a dumper tier. Let's dump it, okay, all right, 1518 01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:41,679 let me do that, get dumped and add a robe truck. Yes, 1519 01:07:41,719 --> 01:07:44,639 And then I got Dan didn't like the word dump truck. 1520 01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:46,760 Is he associates dumps with shit too much? 1521 01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:48,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, I was like, all right, Dan, I get it, 1522 01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:50,280 but just be a little bit more creative with your 1523 01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:51,800 thinking here, get on. 1524 01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:55,239 Speaker 2: Get on board with the new Lingo bud Okay, the 1525 01:07:55,320 --> 01:08:00,800 Turbo Graphics sixteen Mini, the Mini. Isn't that a mini console? 1526 01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:01,960 Or is that a revision? 1527 01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,760 Speaker 1: Always that that might be a mini console. I did 1528 01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:05,960 just kind of take this from the thing. You can 1529 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,000 double check though, because I was just kind of I'm like, 1530 01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,320 I saw that, like, did they make a smaller one 1531 01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:10,840 called the Mini? 1532 01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:12,800 Speaker 2: That might be the just a mini, that's just a 1533 01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:14,800 retro console. So I'll just dump that in the dump 1534 01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:21,159 then I'll get rid of that. The game Boy pocket ooh, oh, 1535 01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:25,279 the game Boy pocket. That's some good stuff because the 1536 01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:29,039 original game Boy was hefty, it was really big, and 1537 01:08:29,079 --> 01:08:32,319 it did have that kind of awkward green yellow tint 1538 01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:37,479 to it. This thing was just the ideal form of 1539 01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,760 the game Boy's what Plato was talking about, right, There's 1540 01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:42,880 like the ideal form of a chair, and all of 1541 01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:44,880 the chairs in the real world are just bad copies 1542 01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,119 of it. This was the ideal original game Boy and 1543 01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:51,279 it was glorious. Uh, it was sleeking, sexy like it 1544 01:08:51,319 --> 01:08:53,039 was like and it was like when the first time 1545 01:08:53,079 --> 01:08:55,359 the Tendo had really accomplished that with one of these devices. 1546 01:08:55,399 --> 01:08:56,960 They would I think they'd do it a bunch more, 1547 01:08:57,319 --> 01:08:59,359 but it was like they made it. 1548 01:08:59,319 --> 01:09:02,079 Speaker 1: Feel so attractive, and especially in the marketing, which I 1549 01:09:02,079 --> 01:09:04,840 thought was very very good, just slipping in the and 1550 01:09:05,159 --> 01:09:06,239 pocket and stuff. 1551 01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:08,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a cool looking device. I'm an s 1552 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,960 TRE for me. Uh yeah, I think we could do 1553 01:09:12,079 --> 01:09:13,640 s here, but I think we might, Like there just 1554 01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,279 might be some that might are definitely clearly better, and 1555 01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:17,800 maybe we could just put them ahead of this, but 1556 01:09:18,079 --> 01:09:18,560 maybe there. 1557 01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,079 Speaker 1: Is like a god teer we could put above this 1558 01:09:20,199 --> 01:09:22,680 or something like that. But s tier feels right for 1559 01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,800 the game Boy pocket. It's a really cool device. Well 1560 01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,119 then what about the Super nes generation too? 1561 01:09:30,279 --> 01:09:33,760 Speaker 2: Gosh to me, it's just an uglier s ne S. 1562 01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,359 I'd be honest, even if I don't necessarily know if 1563 01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:38,520 I think it's ugly, but I think it's very pedestrian 1564 01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:42,680 and it's just so blair to look at. Yeah, it's 1565 01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,399 really simple. It's just I don't know, like the original 1566 01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,960 sn S, something about that design really works with me. 1567 01:09:49,119 --> 01:09:52,000 The colors and the edges and the lines and this 1568 01:09:52,199 --> 01:09:55,880 is this is just this. I don't know, it's boring. 1569 01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:56,880 It's kind of boring. 1570 01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, boring, I think it's the right way to 1571 01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,159 put it. Does boring get you C or D though? 1572 01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,359 Speaker 2: Uh? Probably just C. It's not offensive. 1573 01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,479 Speaker 1: I think that's where I'm at too. It's like it 1574 01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,960 feels very much like just the mediocre. Uh, you turned 1575 01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:12,560 in your homework, so you're gonna get a grade, and 1576 01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:13,119 you're gonna. 1577 01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:16,359 Speaker 2: Get a C. All right, then the Genesis Generation two 1578 01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:21,720 generous Genesis two is actually pretty good. I think I 1579 01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:26,840 might ultimately prefer the way the original looks, but I 1580 01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,680 don't hate the way the Generation two looks at all. 1581 01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,680 And it was a more I think it was a 1582 01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:36,479 more slightly more reliable machine im this one. Yeah yeah, 1583 01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,640 I think like games actually sound a little bit different 1584 01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:39,680 on it. I can't remember if it was right. 1585 01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,680 Speaker 1: There's definitly definitely one of these has a different sound processor, 1586 01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:47,000 sound chip whatever they call it. That definitely happened. But 1587 01:10:47,079 --> 01:10:49,000 I don't know if it's like bad or is it 1588 01:10:49,079 --> 01:10:50,680 just a matter of taste. I think it's kind of 1589 01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:51,960 how it comes down for some of these. 1590 01:10:52,159 --> 01:10:54,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I mean, I like this one. 1591 01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,600 I don't love it, but I think the Genesis two 1592 01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:00,560 is a head gun jack. No, it doesn't have a 1593 01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,600 headphone jack. It goes in the dump. Then no, be 1594 01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:03,920 a B. 1595 01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,359 Speaker 1: I think this one is our first B and I 1596 01:11:08,119 --> 01:11:10,199 think it's very good. I like the Genesis two quite 1597 01:11:10,199 --> 01:11:14,319 a lot. The Genesis Gin three, though, was this kind 1598 01:11:14,359 --> 01:11:14,960 of junkie. 1599 01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:21,319 Speaker 2: This thing looks like garbage. To look that fucking three 1600 01:11:22,399 --> 01:11:24,720 on it looks so stupid. 1601 01:11:25,119 --> 01:11:29,600 Speaker 1: It's like, so yeah, it's a It's kind of embarrassing 1602 01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,479 and try hard. I like trying to make it matter 1603 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,479 by putting the number on there to be like Gin three. 1604 01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,760 Speaker 2: It's just it's no good. I hate the way the 1605 01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:37,960 gen three looks. 1606 01:11:38,279 --> 01:11:40,039 Speaker 1: Right and okay, yeah, and I thought that, yeah, the 1607 01:11:40,079 --> 01:11:42,720 Majestico General Genesis three, Yeah, is this Like, wasn't this 1608 01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,359 made by someone else other than Sega, Like they like 1609 01:11:45,399 --> 01:11:47,640 outsourceds or something like that. Again, I'm trying to place 1610 01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,039 my history. I just remember this thing being considered to 1611 01:11:50,039 --> 01:11:51,199 be junk. For the most part. 1612 01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:55,920 Speaker 2: I hate looking at it. It's I said, we put 1613 01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:56,640 it in d then. 1614 01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,159 Speaker 4: Like Asilium. 1615 01:12:00,119 --> 01:12:02,760 Speaker 2: Sold these in the US, they sold these here. It 1616 01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:04,800 was definitely, Like I think Christian might be awesome. I 1617 01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,880 think it was sold there first in South America or 1618 01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,119 like it was a bigger market there, but we dig in. 1619 01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:12,399 Oh my god, Jeff is right. It was basically a 1620 01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:14,800 clone console that they like outsourced, even though it was 1621 01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:25,520 Brazil's fault. Like always the Game Boy Color, Fuck you 1622 01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,159 what is that doing on here? Okay, okay, I want 1623 01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:30,960 to really ask you, Well, everything else we just talked about, 1624 01:12:31,239 --> 01:12:33,800 you really think the Game Boy Color is like all 1625 01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,560 these other things we just talked about. Look, it is 1626 01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,439 clearly not just like the rest of these. It is 1627 01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:39,880 it is. 1628 01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,800 Speaker 1: I think it's still a revision, it's but it's it 1629 01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,399 goes beyond just being a revision. I think it is 1630 01:12:45,399 --> 01:12:47,840 the thing that formed Nintendo that going forward that they 1631 01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,640 don't need to do such hard revisions in the future. 1632 01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:54,199 They can just make smaller improvements. But this, you know, 1633 01:12:54,239 --> 01:12:56,000 the game Boy was begging for color, so that made 1634 01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,520 it made it feel like a new console. We don't 1635 01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:00,560 have to actually put it on this list. I won't 1636 01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,079 even put it in the dumper, all right, I can 1637 01:13:02,119 --> 01:13:07,199 kind of just okay that that's fine. It's not just 1638 01:13:07,239 --> 01:13:09,560 like the rest of these. I think that's fair. But 1639 01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,560 I think I do have the PS four pro on here, 1640 01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,560 and I think that would be that would be a revision, right, 1641 01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:18,039 That's right, that's the generary forress sure. All right, the 1642 01:13:18,199 --> 01:13:21,239 PlayStation one O in E or the jin two of 1643 01:13:21,279 --> 01:13:23,600 the PlayStation I love this thing. 1644 01:13:24,119 --> 01:13:26,319 Speaker 2: I I don't love it like some people do, but 1645 01:13:26,359 --> 01:13:27,640 I do like it. I mean what I really do 1646 01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:29,680 like it. But it has a screen on it. The 1647 01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:33,520 screens that's made. What I mostly like about it is 1648 01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,439 that it was like, you know, the Topplers kind of 1649 01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:38,119 this too. It's like, hey, like we made the thing 1650 01:13:38,199 --> 01:13:41,720 smaller and more affordable, like more so than the other ones. 1651 01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,199 I associate this thing with, like like, wow, the playsation 1652 01:13:44,319 --> 01:13:45,840 one is a great deal. Right now. You can get 1653 01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:51,159 a PS one spelled out an E for very cheap 1654 01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:53,880 and it has this amazing library now on a lot 1655 01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,520 of those games are pretty inexpensive, and it's a very 1656 01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,880 sturdy piece of hardware. So yeah, I definitely like the 1657 01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:01,479 PS one. 1658 01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,079 Speaker 1: I think all those things you said are are like 1659 01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:06,960 huge bonuses and pluses. Get the fact, you know, ninety 1660 01:14:07,039 --> 01:14:09,279 nine dollars, like the fact that was so affordable, and 1661 01:14:09,319 --> 01:14:11,760 then I think it's like, there's two kinds of revisions, right, 1662 01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:13,880 there's the ones that like make it look sleek and sexy, 1663 01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:15,560 or they're the ones that make it look even cuter. 1664 01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,319 And this is the best. This is the best cute 1665 01:14:18,319 --> 01:14:21,479 revision that's ever happened. I think it's I think it's 1666 01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,039 adorable to look at. It's so soft and round and 1667 01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:26,319 looks so friendly, and then you do put the screen 1668 01:14:26,359 --> 01:14:26,760 on it, and. 1669 01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,720 Speaker 2: Then it kind of becomes sleek and sexy. It's such 1670 01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:31,000 a cool little technical piece. And I don't know this 1671 01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:33,159 is I have this. I still it's one of the 1672 01:14:33,199 --> 01:14:34,600 consoles I have in this room right over there. I 1673 01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,479 love looking at it still. I want to put it 1674 01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:39,479 in nes Mike, okay, you know. And I also like 1675 01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:44,199 how it's still is clearly a PlayStation one ye, all 1676 01:14:44,279 --> 01:14:46,560 the same design language. Yes, go for it. 1677 01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:51,079 Speaker 1: And it's just a cutie. The three d oh Gen two. 1678 01:14:52,279 --> 01:14:57,479 Speaker 2: A man, they tried, They did try. We don't want 1679 01:14:57,479 --> 01:14:59,000 to send the dumper. If we don't if the dump, 1680 01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:00,439 if we don't care, we to throw it the dump. 1681 01:15:01,039 --> 01:15:02,880 I might not care because I never had I had 1682 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:04,199 a three d O. I didn't have a three d 1683 01:15:04,279 --> 01:15:07,000 O Gen two three yo was weird because multiple people 1684 01:15:07,039 --> 01:15:09,439 made three d os, Like to me, when I think 1685 01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:13,760 of the three do I think of the Panasonico. And 1686 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,399 then there was a bunch of other weird things that 1687 01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:16,880 I'm like, I'm not really sure what the hell was 1688 01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,319 going on over there with that. That sounds it sounds 1689 01:15:19,359 --> 01:15:21,079 like the dump. Sounds like the Dump. 1690 01:15:21,119 --> 01:15:23,720 Speaker 1: Then, because I kind of I agree with all that, Uh, 1691 01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,239 the Game Boy, Let's do the Game Boy Advance. 1692 01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:34,159 Speaker 2: SP the SP. That's because that is, Oh, is there 1693 01:15:34,199 --> 01:15:35,840 a new tier for the SP. 1694 01:15:36,079 --> 01:15:38,479 Speaker 1: I think there's a new tier for the SP and 1695 01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:41,560 I think we just call it SP SP. I think 1696 01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:45,640 tier because holy shit, the Game Boy Advance Advanced SP 1697 01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:49,079 is like everything we talked about with the Pocket like 1698 01:15:49,159 --> 01:15:52,319 turned up to one hundred. It was it was such 1699 01:15:52,319 --> 01:15:55,800 a needed feature with the back light or whatever, the 1700 01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:56,439 front light, whatever. 1701 01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,239 Speaker 2: It was the fact that it's a clamshell, so it. 1702 01:15:59,239 --> 01:16:01,840 Speaker 1: Felt like it it protected itself and that felt like 1703 01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,600 such a new innovation. And then the marketing was so 1704 01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,960 good and made it feel like such a cool and 1705 01:16:07,039 --> 01:16:09,960 must have thing and it just made games that were 1706 01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:10,760 great better. 1707 01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:14,239 Speaker 2: It's such a good device. Yeah, it it you know, 1708 01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:16,640 like all these other ones. It's like, oh, you know, yeah, 1709 01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:18,039 I like the PS one, but I still want an 1710 01:16:18,079 --> 01:16:20,840 original PlayStation one, even the original game Boy. There's still 1711 01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,880 something to that. Even though the pocket's better, I don't 1712 01:16:24,319 --> 01:16:27,159 I never need to hold an original game Boy Advance 1713 01:16:27,279 --> 01:16:29,880 ever again. Once the SP came out, I just don't 1714 01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:31,800 even want to think about it. SP's perfect. Yeah. 1715 01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:33,600 Speaker 1: I think at the time when I was like, you know, 1716 01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:35,720 this is nostalgic and all that stuff whatever. But the 1717 01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:37,960 time that I think I was happiest with gaming was 1718 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:39,880 just having a Game Boy Advanced SP in my pocket 1719 01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:43,279 for four or five straight years and loving every second 1720 01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:43,439 of that. 1721 01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:46,720 Speaker 2: Is it was the most device comfortable, pocket constolet we 1722 01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:47,920 ever had. It was great for that. 1723 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:52,840 Speaker 1: I holding one fixes me, is how I feel about it. It 1724 01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:56,359 just makes me feel better, all right. Game Boy Micro. 1725 01:16:58,199 --> 01:17:02,079 Speaker 2: Unnecessary, Yeah, kind of cute. It's like it's always more 1726 01:17:02,119 --> 01:17:05,479 collectible than a serious piece of gaming hardware. To me, 1727 01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,439 it's kind of like a c Yeah. 1728 01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:10,399 Speaker 1: I think it's like one of these ones where it's 1729 01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:12,800 at the end of the generation, right you just you're 1730 01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,359 you're gonna do something strange, go for it. 1731 01:17:16,319 --> 01:17:18,359 Speaker 2: I liked the idea of people. 1732 01:17:18,079 --> 01:17:20,359 Speaker 1: Like wearing it on necklaces and just having their game, 1733 01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,399 their Pokemon games with them everywhere they went. 1734 01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,039 Speaker 2: That's fun, But I don't know if that does much 1735 01:17:25,079 --> 01:17:26,600 more than a c I think you're right on the 1736 01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,560 money on that one, especially again when the SP is 1737 01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:31,720 already so small and affordable. Anyways, I just you know, 1738 01:17:32,359 --> 01:17:34,640 it think's cute, especially when they may like special addition 1739 01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,079 ones like this one looks like a Famicom or whatever. Okay, 1740 01:17:37,239 --> 01:17:39,439 that's neat, but eah, there's not much of a point 1741 01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,359 to it. Uh yeah. God that d S came out 1742 01:17:42,359 --> 01:17:44,520 two years after the Game Boy Advanced SP Is that right, 1743 01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:45,680 Jesus timeline? 1744 01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:49,760 Speaker 1: So it was a different time, so different all right. 1745 01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,079 The PlayStation two Slim the GIN two. I like this 1746 01:17:53,079 --> 01:17:53,560 one a lot. 1747 01:17:54,119 --> 01:17:55,640 Speaker 2: I don't like it as much as the PS one. 1748 01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,199 I agree with you. I didn't like it. I don't. 1749 01:18:00,279 --> 01:18:02,520 It felt cheaper to me in a way, And maybe 1750 01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:05,279 it's because I really didn't like the opening disc train 1751 01:18:05,359 --> 01:18:07,560 set of the sliding disk drive. I know, maybe that 1752 01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,920 seems stupid, but the sliding disk drive felt really nice 1753 01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,199 to me, and just opening up that tray, it always 1754 01:18:13,319 --> 01:18:16,359 it felt very flimsy that tray, like it was gonna 1755 01:18:16,399 --> 01:18:17,720 snap off at any moment. 1756 01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:21,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it probably, like a lot of times 1757 01:18:21,319 --> 01:18:24,199 with these revisions, they are doing this to make things cheaper, 1758 01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:26,439 for sure, and so that probably does come through in that. 1759 01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:29,199 Speaker 2: But when I look at it, I like looking at it. 1760 01:18:29,239 --> 01:18:31,199 I think it's a good looking I'm not saying it's bad. 1761 01:18:31,279 --> 01:18:32,680 I'm saying it's an A maybe not. 1762 01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:34,800 Speaker 1: I think it's a right when you said it's not, 1763 01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:36,479 because the PS one, I think that's right. I think 1764 01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:38,239 this is our other a right right next to it. Well, 1765 01:18:38,399 --> 01:18:39,920 I think I'll put in front of the top loader 1766 01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:41,680 because I think it's better than the top loader. 1767 01:18:42,119 --> 01:18:45,000 Speaker 2: But not Yeah, I think this is right. And I 1768 01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,520 think with PS one and S this in a that 1769 01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:48,279 feels good to me. 1770 01:18:49,079 --> 01:18:55,359 Speaker 1: Okay, the Xbox three sixty s, the Gen two, the 1771 01:18:55,399 --> 01:18:59,279 one that kind of like like sharpened this suckingd Remember 1772 01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:01,560 the Xbox you had the sort of the suck in, 1773 01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:03,319 and this is I had like a sharper suck in. 1774 01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:06,600 Speaker 2: It's kind of it's kind of hard because it's a 1775 01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:10,079 definitely a much more reliable console right right, and like 1776 01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:13,399 I associate with it with you know, more hard dized space, 1777 01:19:13,399 --> 01:19:18,039 which was definitely needed at the time. I don't. I 1778 01:19:18,039 --> 01:19:19,399 don't hate the way it looks, but I don't I 1779 01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,960 think it looks worse than an og Xbox three sixty. 1780 01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:25,359 Speaker 1: You know, uh, let's yeah, let's it's it's it's not 1781 01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,600 sane as much like the original Xbox three six. 1782 01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,159 Speaker 2: You just felt bold in some ways that this feels like, yeah, 1783 01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:32,840 this feels like a consumer electronics device. It feels yeah. 1784 01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:34,920 But it'll say for I also associate it with like, 1785 01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,000 you know, they just slowly made the UI for the 1786 01:19:38,079 --> 01:19:40,399 xbous th sixty more generic and less interesting as time 1787 01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:41,680 went on, And I kind of assure you. 1788 01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:43,880 Speaker 1: I think that we're talking about vibes, so I think 1789 01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:45,920 you can hang it on that. I think that's fair. 1790 01:19:46,399 --> 01:19:48,760 Speaker 2: To me. This is like, this is in B. I 1791 01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:50,800 think it's a B because it's better than the sn 1792 01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:52,520 E s Gen two. I think it's better than this 1793 01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:54,880 for sure. Absolutely, yes, it absolutely I think B is 1794 01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,079 the right place. Yeah. I think calling it the equivalent 1795 01:19:57,079 --> 01:19:59,039 of the Genesis Mark two or whatever it seems right 1796 01:19:59,079 --> 01:20:03,000 to me. I think exactly right. The Xbox three sixty E, 1797 01:20:03,279 --> 01:20:06,640 the Gen three one, which I thought maybe one of 1798 01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:07,600 the better Gen. 1799 01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,600 Speaker 1: Threes we've ever seen. I like this one a lot. 1800 01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:11,840 Did you ever have one of these? 1801 01:20:13,159 --> 01:20:14,800 Speaker 2: I can't remember if I had one of these, Like 1802 01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:16,319 this is the one? Like now, this is why I 1803 01:20:16,399 --> 01:20:19,000 associate with the Cannet right in some weird right. 1804 01:20:19,239 --> 01:20:20,960 Speaker 1: And to be fair, I think the and I'm talking 1805 01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:25,600 about esthetics wise, I think the reliabilities actually dip down 1806 01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:28,039 compared to the Gen two because they kind of were 1807 01:20:28,039 --> 01:20:30,600 trying to make things cheaper again. So I think these 1808 01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:33,119 ones I had like distrafts that broke. And I say 1809 01:20:33,119 --> 01:20:34,760 that because I had one that had a distract that broke, 1810 01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:37,199 and that was when I was trying to play Ride 1811 01:20:37,199 --> 01:20:37,880 to Hell Retribution. 1812 01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:39,600 Speaker 2: So maybe that's because it's years later, but whatever. 1813 01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,560 Speaker 1: This is probably also just B, but maybe that the 1814 01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:46,239 head of B is kind of what I'm thinking. 1815 01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:49,640 Speaker 2: And I think I like the second version more than 1816 01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:52,680 this one either. If you're like, okay, all right, it's close, though, 1817 01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:54,079 you could do what you want to do, well. 1818 01:20:54,319 --> 01:20:56,119 Speaker 1: Let's just put it in B. Then I'm fine with that. 1819 01:20:56,159 --> 01:20:57,960 I think, right next to each other. I think that's 1820 01:20:57,960 --> 01:20:59,920 fair because I'm saying the top of B, I think 1821 01:21:00,039 --> 01:21:00,640 we can keep it in BE. 1822 01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:04,760 Speaker 2: I'm fine with that. Fine, all right, let's see here 1823 01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,720 next up the D s Light. 1824 01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,840 Speaker 4: Oh sorry, you have one? 1825 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:13,319 Speaker 2: Do you have one that I forgot? Please let me know. 1826 01:21:13,399 --> 01:21:16,760 Speaker 4: You had the three sixty Arcade Edition remember that one? 1827 01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:20,880 Speaker 2: Well yeah, but that's that's a launch console, right, wasn't 1828 01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:22,560 it edition? 1829 01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,119 Speaker 4: No, it's a different well. 1830 01:21:25,079 --> 01:21:25,760 Speaker 2: It's a different skew. 1831 01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:27,199 Speaker 3: But I thought that was the launch There was a 1832 01:21:27,239 --> 01:21:28,199 different configuration. 1833 01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:30,720 Speaker 1: It's a different configuration of the launch console that we're 1834 01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,439 not doing those. It's the launch just has slightly different 1835 01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:35,000 because like there will be like you know, there's the 1836 01:21:35,039 --> 01:21:37,760 we U and then the we without the storage and stuff. 1837 01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:39,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, perfect comparison. 1838 01:21:39,159 --> 01:21:43,479 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay, So D s Light how many how 1839 01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:45,399 many other d s's are there? Because I know there's 1840 01:21:45,399 --> 01:21:46,279 a lot of them, Like. 1841 01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:49,479 Speaker 1: Like, there's so many fucking DS's about how many did? Well, 1842 01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:52,680 there's actually more three DS's, right, there's d s L 1843 01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:54,479 d s I x L d s I. We're gonna 1844 01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:55,039 do all those. 1845 01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:58,720 Speaker 2: Back to back because it's like it all once. If 1846 01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,520 you want, no, no, we can get to it. But 1847 01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,199 I mean, look, this is definitely again, much better than 1848 01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:06,840 the base DS. I don't I didn't hate the DS 1849 01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:10,479 fat like some people did. Right, it's not as much 1850 01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,359 is so much better it's a lot better. It's a 1851 01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:18,479 lot better again dumb, like I think. I listen, Yeah, 1852 01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:19,840 the DS looks dumb. 1853 01:22:20,119 --> 01:22:24,760 Speaker 1: It does, and the DS light looks cool, and it 1854 01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,159 doesn't look as cool as an SP It doesn't go 1855 01:22:27,239 --> 01:22:27,960 on the SP tire. 1856 01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,760 Speaker 2: I don't know if anything else does. Probably not, but 1857 01:22:31,399 --> 01:22:33,239 I get I think it says an argument for the 1858 01:22:33,359 --> 01:22:33,720 S tier. 1859 01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:36,760 Speaker 1: It's certainly it's certainly s t okay, all right, well 1860 01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:39,000 let's just pop it up there. Yes, like god, I 1861 01:22:39,039 --> 01:22:40,239 love that thing good. 1862 01:22:41,239 --> 01:22:44,439 Speaker 2: Now. The d s I, which I don't. I think 1863 01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:45,680 I got a d s I XL. I don't think 1864 01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:47,960 I ever got a d s I. I had a 1865 01:22:48,039 --> 01:22:49,239 d s I and I liked my d s I 1866 01:22:49,319 --> 01:22:52,760 a lot. I mean, you know, it was pretty It's 1867 01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:55,720 pretty similar to a d S light except the camera 1868 01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,079 was the big thing. Right now, I'm trying to remember 1869 01:22:58,359 --> 01:22:59,920 what the hell do we actually do with that cam 1870 01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:01,319 on a d s I. 1871 01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:03,600 Speaker 1: I don't know people kids would take pictures. I guess 1872 01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:05,640 I think I did. It have kind of like a 1873 01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,960 Matt finish to It's like outer shell. 1874 01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:11,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that's pretty cool. 1875 01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,680 Speaker 2: It was. Oh did this one lost? The Game Boy 1876 01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:18,920 Advanced Cartridge that's rough for me, because that's probably why 1877 01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:19,520 I didn't get one. 1878 01:23:20,279 --> 01:23:23,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I had to go back to the light 1879 01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,279 to play the Guitar Hero game. I had this one, 1880 01:23:26,319 --> 01:23:26,800 and I had to. 1881 01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,880 Speaker 1: Like, oh right, yeah, yeah, because then you have to 1882 01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:33,439 plug it in the GBA cartoon. So I don't hate 1883 01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:34,800 the d SI, but I kind of feel like it's 1884 01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:35,000 a B. 1885 01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,000 Speaker 2: It's probably maybe a B. It almost felt like it 1886 01:23:38,119 --> 01:23:39,520 was a bit like, hey, I think you guys already 1887 01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:43,199 got it with the ds light, but here's the eye anyway, Sure, and. 1888 01:23:43,199 --> 01:23:44,600 Speaker 1: I think it's a B because it's I think I 1889 01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:46,960 would then put the d S I x L into Eggs. 1890 01:23:47,039 --> 01:23:48,520 I think that was even better. But I don't know 1891 01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:49,199 what do you think? 1892 01:23:49,319 --> 01:23:50,920 Speaker 2: I mean at that point, it was like, hey, it's bigger. 1893 01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:54,960 I guess uh yeah, that's the fourth iteration. I mean, 1894 01:23:55,159 --> 01:23:57,439 is there anything to that aside from it just it 1895 01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:00,680 was bigger at that point? Did have better screens or something? 1896 01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:05,399 Speaker 3: Actually, yes, every single DSIXL has IPS screens, so mods 1897 01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:07,680 that people do nowadays for the retro consoles. It had 1898 01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,119 those out of the box. It still looks incredible, right. 1899 01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,840 Speaker 1: It's like the DSIXL is the thing where people talk about, Hey, 1900 01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:15,600 what's the best way to play a DSi games? Just 1901 01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:21,159 get a dsixl They're cheap and they're awesome. Yeah, the 1902 01:24:21,279 --> 01:24:23,760 we many Now, this is not a mini console. This 1903 01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,199 is a Canadian console which made the same thing. I 1904 01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:29,640 don't know, uh, you know, I never had one of these. 1905 01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:31,880 I don't hate the way it looks, though. I like 1906 01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:32,720 that it's read. 1907 01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,039 Speaker 2: What was like the Big Sacrist is like no Wi 1908 01:24:35,159 --> 01:24:39,199 Fi chip or something. It did have internet or something. 1909 01:24:39,239 --> 01:24:43,279 Speaker 3: I think, no Wi Fi, no output other than component 1910 01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:48,399 video right, functionality whatsoever. It's oh, no game I think 1911 01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:50,399 maybe even no SD card support. 1912 01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:53,119 Speaker 2: It's weird because the Wii is already it was like 1913 01:24:53,279 --> 01:24:55,680 at start a budget console that time. 1914 01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:57,920 Speaker 1: Why they didn't release it in the United States or 1915 01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:00,359 it maybe released it somewhere else, I might it was 1916 01:25:00,359 --> 01:25:01,359 always just cand This was. 1917 01:25:01,359 --> 01:25:03,039 Speaker 4: For people like living in the middle of the mountain 1918 01:25:03,119 --> 01:25:04,960 that people that write a move for work and that 1919 01:25:05,039 --> 01:25:05,960 type of shit, isn't. 1920 01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:09,640 Speaker 2: It that's just a Canadians. I think it's kind of 1921 01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,560 I think it's probably just a d I mean, I 1922 01:25:13,079 --> 01:25:15,760 I don't it looks That's all I can say, right exactly. 1923 01:25:16,039 --> 01:25:18,920 Speaker 1: I think it's kind of cute, but I don't know. 1924 01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:21,239 I think let's just put in D that's that's that's 1925 01:25:21,279 --> 01:25:26,399 probably right. Okay, the PlayStation three GIN two. I guess 1926 01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:29,800 this is like the This is not the Slim. I 1927 01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:31,920 guess it's I it's it's slimmer. But I don't remember 1928 01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:35,159 if anyone colloquially colloquially this is not just Slim. 1929 01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:37,640 Speaker 4: No, because they did a Slim for the police station. 1930 01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a Gen three coming up, but we'll 1931 01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:43,239 talk about that. And that's clearly I don't remember anybody 1932 01:25:43,319 --> 01:25:45,000 calling this it's just the one that got rid of 1933 01:25:45,039 --> 01:25:48,680 the backwards compatibility, because that sucks that well, didn't weren't there. 1934 01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:50,960 Speaker 1: There was the two launch models, and one didn't have 1935 01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:54,600 the backward compatibility, right, So that was there from the start. 1936 01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys are talking about three now, Yeah, three 1937 01:26:00,079 --> 01:26:02,560 p S three got rid of backwards compatibility within the 1938 01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:04,640 first two years. So there are PS three fats that 1939 01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:08,119 do not have backwards compatability. It was gone before the Slim. 1940 01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:10,479 Speaker 2: Okay, so is that what this is? 1941 01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,880 Speaker 3: Okay, we don't see it on screen, Amemore, Jeff, but 1942 01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,000 it's the one with like the silver trim in the front. Yes, 1943 01:26:15,039 --> 01:26:15,600 that's the PS three. 1944 01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:16,640 Speaker 2: Yea, that's that's what it is. 1945 01:26:17,279 --> 01:26:19,600 Speaker 3: That one was fantastic because it was like half the 1946 01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:20,840 size of the original PS three. 1947 01:26:21,359 --> 01:26:22,079 Speaker 4: I love this ship. 1948 01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,760 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so then okay, here the here are the two. 1949 01:26:25,279 --> 01:26:27,319 Here's the gent two GENT three. I know it's kind 1950 01:26:27,359 --> 01:26:27,720 of small. 1951 01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:31,640 Speaker 3: The Super Slim was the like the one with the 1952 01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:33,800 sliding panel on the front for the disc trade. 1953 01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:36,880 Speaker 2: This this one right here is much smaller. Yeh. 1954 01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,840 Speaker 1: So this was like the original Slim. Yes, this is 1955 01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:41,840 the problem what people think when they think of the Slim. Yes, 1956 01:26:42,159 --> 01:26:43,920 that's the one that people like, is the Yeah, this 1957 01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:45,840 is good. Yeah, it's good. 1958 01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,880 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we had already lost backward compatibility 1959 01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,199 by this point. Wasn't this thing's fault? Right? 1960 01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:52,680 Speaker 3: You know? 1961 01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:57,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, this thing is good. It's probably what most people 1962 01:26:57,319 --> 01:26:59,560 use for PS three these days, because a lot of 1963 01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:02,760 the ones did kind of start failing. Yeah, the George 1964 01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:06,079 Foreman grow Yes, yeah, you know, I never hated that, George. 1965 01:27:06,199 --> 01:27:08,920 You know me, I'm a sicko for going to go 1966 01:27:09,079 --> 01:27:12,560 for it. Uh, this is probably more palatable for a 1967 01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:13,159 lot of seep. 1968 01:27:13,239 --> 01:27:16,319 Speaker 1: This is definitely in that that a wheelhouse of making 1969 01:27:16,359 --> 01:27:19,279 it look more like a modern consumer electronic device, and 1970 01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,119 I think they did a good job of that, so 1971 01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:22,399 I lean towards B. 1972 01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:24,319 Speaker 2: But I don't know. I'm wild geah to be. It's 1973 01:27:24,359 --> 01:27:26,079 like right there with that three sixty revision. 1974 01:27:26,319 --> 01:27:28,600 Speaker 1: Honestly, Yeah, I think it's kind of like a d 1975 01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:30,800 s I as well. Yeah, all right, then there is 1976 01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,560 this one, the PlayStation three Super Slim. 1977 01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:34,560 Speaker 4: But that sh. 1978 01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:40,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah yeah that that sliding tray feels terrible in 1979 01:27:40,159 --> 01:27:40,359 this thing. 1980 01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:43,520 Speaker 1: I that this is like I realized gin threes are 1981 01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,520 always really cheap, and this is like, yeah, really cheap again. 1982 01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:48,560 Speaker 2: It felt unncessarily. The slim model kind of got you 1983 01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,600 there already, So this is this is maybe D for me. 1984 01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:53,920 Don't forget the DUP isn't the worst tier everyone. The 1985 01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,119 DOP is just we don't know what to do with it, right, 1986 01:27:56,279 --> 01:27:58,520 So D is our worst tier. I could make a 1987 01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:00,600 new tier below D if we want to make an aff. No, 1988 01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:02,960 I already can't you already barely have the thing fitting 1989 01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:06,520 in the window? D fair enough? All right, Uh let's 1990 01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:08,119 see here the PSP go. 1991 01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:12,840 Speaker 4: Fuck. Yeah, I'm the only one who depends disconsole all around. 1992 01:28:13,359 --> 01:28:15,720 Speaker 2: No, I didn't put all the other like Vita variations 1993 01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:17,680 in here. I guess I could do that, but I mean, no, 1994 01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:19,920 that's fine. I mean, I know there's like the one 1995 01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:23,079 of the better old screen, but right, any more than 1996 01:28:23,119 --> 01:28:26,640 that to consider it a major revision. People love this thing. 1997 01:28:27,039 --> 01:28:30,560 I I was never much of a PSP guy in general, 1998 01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:32,560 I have to ma'am. I was not a PSP guy. 1999 01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,239 I kind of want to like go back and play 2000 01:28:34,279 --> 01:28:36,840 all the hits still. But I do like the form factor, 2001 01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:38,840 and I think I do like the sliding nature of it. 2002 01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:40,920 I think that's neat. I remember at that time because 2003 01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:42,600 this thing was all was this thing all digital and 2004 01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:44,359 wasn't that kind of controversial at the time. Yes, it 2005 01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:44,920 was all digital. 2006 01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,640 Speaker 1: There was no physical media for this, uh this which 2007 01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,399 you know, the PSP famously had the Universal Media disc. 2008 01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:53,039 Speaker 2: I think that's what UMD stands for. I do like 2009 01:28:53,079 --> 01:28:55,159 the way this thing looks. I think it might I 2010 01:28:55,239 --> 01:28:56,760 think certainly at least to be and I could see 2011 01:28:56,760 --> 01:29:00,279 it being in a pretty easily. I yeah, I I 2012 01:29:00,319 --> 01:29:02,920 always liked the idea of a sliding system because I 2013 01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:06,000 always was a sidekick freak, and this didn't slide like 2014 01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:07,600 a sidekick. But it's still slid and I like that. 2015 01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:12,000 I don't know. I think let's just put it in B. 2016 01:29:12,359 --> 01:29:14,479 It does feel probably like a B. Really you're not 2017 01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:18,199 feeling A for it? All right? Listen, you said B 2018 01:29:18,319 --> 01:29:20,720 and I said B, and then I said, but maybe 2019 01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:22,880 in A. I don't know. I want to hear. Why 2020 01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,439 is it bing? Not A? Because I'm just not too 2021 01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:26,840 moved by it when I look at it. 2022 01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:31,239 Speaker 1: But I tell you I don't moved, Mike. When I 2023 01:29:31,279 --> 01:29:33,439 think about the slide, I get moved. So I'm fine 2024 01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:34,560 with that. I'm not against it. 2025 01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:36,279 Speaker 2: I just I don't know. I think i'd like the 2026 01:29:36,319 --> 01:29:39,760 way though you were looks better. It's ambitious, it went 2027 01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:45,760 for it, and it was a statement for sure, all right, Mike, 2028 01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:46,319 he won. 2029 01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:47,760 Speaker 4: Let's go, Mike. 2030 01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:48,000 Speaker 2: Uh. 2031 01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:51,520 Speaker 1: The Xbox one S, which is the jintu of the 2032 01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:54,399 Xbox One, that white one that had you know, a 2033 01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:55,199 slightly better. 2034 01:29:55,119 --> 01:30:01,760 Speaker 2: CPU, right right right? I mean, listen, this is ten 2035 01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,680 thousand times better than the VCR. Yeah. 2036 01:30:05,279 --> 01:30:07,039 Speaker 1: I think I've really grown to like kind of find 2037 01:30:07,039 --> 01:30:12,119 the VCR disgusting. It felt like a Gen three from 2038 01:30:12,159 --> 01:30:14,920 the start, like it felt janky and busted and broken. 2039 01:30:15,079 --> 01:30:17,079 Speaker 2: And I mean it looks like an Xbox three sixty 2040 01:30:17,159 --> 01:30:18,720 Gen three, which I guess makes sense. It was the 2041 01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:20,359 last Xbox three sixty. 2042 01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:23,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this says the four K Blu Ray Drive. 2043 01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:28,199 I just this is like, you know, obviously there's a 2044 01:30:28,319 --> 01:30:30,319 factor of where do you start where do you end up? 2045 01:30:30,399 --> 01:30:32,239 Like that, Like this is such a big gap that 2046 01:30:32,279 --> 01:30:34,359 that's helping it here. But also I think in general, 2047 01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,039 this is a pretty good looking console that worked in 2048 01:30:37,079 --> 01:30:39,600 the way that people wanted it to work and kind 2049 01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:40,880 of did exactly what it was supposed to do. 2050 01:30:41,359 --> 01:30:44,720 Speaker 2: A day to me, you know, I guess BBCP. But 2051 01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:46,640 if you want to go a I can do that. Yeah, 2052 01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,880 I think I'm gonna let's go with a what do 2053 01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:54,159 A for it? The Xbox one X So this is 2054 01:30:54,239 --> 01:30:57,000 the pro model Okay, so this is a yeah, so 2055 01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:00,840 this is like maybe our first real I guess maybe 2056 01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:02,840 our first, but pretty close our first big pro model 2057 01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:07,680 thing DSi kind of close there. This thing was an 2058 01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:11,920 upgrade for sure, right, yes, it absolutely was, and in 2059 01:31:12,399 --> 01:31:14,600 ways maybe a bigger upgrade than even We'll see what 2060 01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:16,000 the PlayStation four Pro. 2061 01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:20,840 Speaker 1: Huh, I mean it took a generation that kind of was. 2062 01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:22,840 I mean, both this and the PS four Bro Pro 2063 01:31:23,039 --> 01:31:25,039 did that some uh, I think we have the pro 2064 01:31:25,319 --> 01:31:28,720 right there. Yes, they kind of take a generation that 2065 01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:32,079 ended up much stronger than these consoles these console makers 2066 01:31:32,119 --> 01:31:35,000 thought they would be, uh and and made those consoles 2067 01:31:35,079 --> 01:31:37,920 be what they everyone thought they could be from the start, 2068 01:31:38,039 --> 01:31:39,520 like kind of what they imagined they were going to be, 2069 01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:44,439 And I think it should get credit for that. I 2070 01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:48,319 don't know, Yeah, playing games on the Xbox one X 2071 01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:49,920 was probably one of the best ways to be playing 2072 01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:52,840 games at that generation, So I don't know, it could 2073 01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:53,800 probably go up pretty high. 2074 01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:55,800 Speaker 2: I don't know, what do you think, I think it? Yeah, 2075 01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:58,680 I mean it's certainly, I mean, certainly at least be 2076 01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:02,039 it certainly probably at least in a honestly, I don't 2077 01:32:02,039 --> 01:32:04,279 feel per d there's like a part of me that 2078 01:32:04,359 --> 01:32:07,239 like almost maybe resents the cycle it has put us 2079 01:32:07,319 --> 01:32:09,640 in this place before pro to want to put it 2080 01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:12,000 in an s like I don't know if I'd necessarily 2081 01:32:12,279 --> 01:32:14,359 thought that this whole thing is a good idea, this 2082 01:32:15,279 --> 01:32:18,359 kind of big, big gen refresh instead of maybe like hey, 2083 01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:21,359 maybe why don't we just do the gen slightly faster 2084 01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:23,720 than we would have if we didn't have one of these, right, like. 2085 01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:26,239 Speaker 1: This gen and the PS four Pro and the Xbox 2086 01:32:26,279 --> 01:32:28,840 one X still had hard drives, right, They didn't have SSDs. 2087 01:32:29,239 --> 01:32:31,159 Speaker 2: It was just hard drives. So yeah, yeah, that was 2088 01:32:31,239 --> 01:32:34,079 exciting thing. With five you could have like you could 2089 01:32:34,119 --> 01:32:36,119 have put in SSD and now I know that's the CPUs. 2090 01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:38,039 Speaker 1: Probably wouldn't be able to take huge advantage of it, 2091 01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:41,600 but I don't know, and something anything to make that stuff. 2092 01:32:41,359 --> 01:32:43,600 Speaker 2: Go a little bit faster was pretty rough. And part 2093 01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:45,399 of my thing too is like I remember, at least 2094 01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:48,000 the pitch for the Xbox one X was very much 2095 01:32:48,359 --> 01:32:51,159 four K K four K, four K, and I rolled 2096 01:32:51,239 --> 01:32:53,279 my eyes at that a bit. Yeah, for sure. And 2097 01:32:53,359 --> 01:32:56,199 it's like it was definitely like the fake four K. 2098 01:32:56,359 --> 01:32:57,960 Speaker 1: It's like outputting at four K, and then a lot 2099 01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,079 of the games were running at like eighteen hundred p 2100 01:33:00,199 --> 01:33:00,920 at best or whatever. 2101 01:33:02,399 --> 01:33:02,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 2102 01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:05,840 Speaker 1: I think we put it in a because I think 2103 01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:08,279 it's it's it accomplished everything it needed to do as 2104 01:33:08,319 --> 01:33:10,079 a revision. I just don't know if it gets into 2105 01:33:10,199 --> 01:33:12,520 s because I don't get I think you're right about 2106 01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:14,199 like the whole generation sort of drags it down a 2107 01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:20,319 little bit. Okay, let's see here, uh they but let's 2108 01:33:20,319 --> 01:33:23,399 do the PlayStation for Slim first. 2109 01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:26,760 Speaker 2: Oh, the Slim, the PlayStation for I kind of like, 2110 01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:29,079 I kind of forget that there was a PlayStation four. 2111 01:33:30,039 --> 01:33:32,439 I like the way it looks a lot, you know, 2112 01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:35,680 very much a PlayStation four but smaller, and I kind 2113 01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:40,159 of like that again, just like the softer edges again, Yeah, yeah, 2114 01:33:40,199 --> 01:33:43,680 you're right, it looks fine. Yeah, I do like the 2115 01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:48,960 rounded edges. Yeah, for sure, it almost looks. It almost looks. 2116 01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:50,359 I don't mean this in a bad way, like what 2117 01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:55,279 AI would have guessed a PlayStation for Slim would look like. Right, Yes, 2118 01:33:55,399 --> 01:33:58,960 I see that for sure. I think it's like a B. 2119 01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:03,840 It's a B. It's fine. Yeah, it is a little 2120 01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:06,119 weird because we again, we do have a pro. Yeah, 2121 01:34:06,279 --> 01:34:08,319 and we do a pro so PS four Pro. 2122 01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:10,640 Speaker 4: What's up, Christian, Oh, it looks like an ice cream 2123 01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:12,000 sandwich the Slim. 2124 01:34:12,159 --> 01:34:15,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. PS four Pro, which is the triple decker. 2125 01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:18,960 It does look it does It is just like, let's 2126 01:34:19,039 --> 01:34:21,039 just you know how we have those kind of slabs 2127 01:34:21,079 --> 01:34:22,479 on it. What if you just do a third one 2128 01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,079 relates exactly what it is? Yeah, yeah, I don't. I 2129 01:34:26,119 --> 01:34:29,319 don't really like the way it looks, but otherwise i'd 2130 01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:31,800 pretty similar to Xbox one X so though not quite 2131 01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:35,319 as powerful as an Xbox one X, right, yeah, yeah, 2132 01:34:35,359 --> 01:34:38,399 but I think it accomplished all the same stuff in 2133 01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:40,079 the end. Yeah, for the most part. 2134 01:34:40,199 --> 01:34:42,159 Speaker 1: Like I get, yeah, the Xbox one X definitely ran 2135 01:34:42,239 --> 01:34:45,239 games better when you compare them, but in order, like 2136 01:34:46,279 --> 01:34:48,079 when it came to making people feel good about the. 2137 01:34:48,119 --> 01:34:50,359 Speaker 2: Generation, I think it had the exact same effect on 2138 01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:53,399 PlayStation players. Is it one tier below just because it's 2139 01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:56,800 uglier and it's like not probably? Maybe it's a B 2140 01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:58,640 instead of an A. It's a it's a B instead 2141 01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:01,600 of an A. All right, how many two D or 2142 01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:03,720 how many three dss do you think we have? Well, 2143 01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:06,520 let's see, there would have to be the there's the 2144 01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:10,079 two DS, the two D SXL, the new three DS, 2145 01:35:10,319 --> 01:35:12,479 the three D, the new three D SXL, and the 2146 01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:13,399 three DSXL. 2147 01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:16,319 Speaker 1: Right, that is correct, that's the five models we will 2148 01:35:16,359 --> 01:35:21,239 be considering. Shit, let's start with the three DS XL. 2149 01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:27,800 Speaker 2: The three D SXL come with a second analog nub 2150 01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:31,199 on it. I think that's I think, isn't that the 2151 01:35:31,319 --> 01:35:34,319 new that's the new three DS? Yeah that's that. No, no, no, 2152 01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:37,680 this this thing has the little nub already. Oh yeah, oh, 2153 01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:40,439 you're right. Just the new does okay, Yes, you're right. Then, 2154 01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:44,319 well then I don't really care for it too much. 2155 01:35:44,399 --> 01:35:46,199 Is just bigger. I guess it's nice that it's bigger, 2156 01:35:46,279 --> 01:35:48,319 but considering what would come, maybe they could have just 2157 01:35:48,399 --> 01:35:49,840 held off for a little. Yeah. 2158 01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:53,920 Speaker 1: I definitely was like into the three DSXL and and 2159 01:35:54,119 --> 01:35:56,039 was like whenever they had have a special version of it, 2160 01:35:56,159 --> 01:35:57,680 I would be like, man, I think I want to 2161 01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:59,560 upgrade to that, even it was never an upgrade. 2162 01:36:01,079 --> 01:36:03,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe it's just a B. It might 2163 01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:08,239 just be a B all right. Uh the two DS 2164 01:36:08,399 --> 01:36:12,199 the slab, I don't look. I think the twods was 2165 01:36:12,279 --> 01:36:15,600 market wise a very smart decision to get a cheap 2166 01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:17,039 one into the hands of a lot of kids I 2167 01:36:17,079 --> 01:36:19,000 wanted to play Pokemon. I hate it. I hate the 2168 01:36:19,039 --> 01:36:20,760 way it looks. I hate the way it looks, I 2169 01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:22,840 hate the way it feels. I do not like it. 2170 01:36:24,399 --> 01:36:27,239 So it's a smart business decision, but I don't like it. 2171 01:36:28,199 --> 01:36:30,399 Speaker 3: See you guys ever own a two D S. 2172 01:36:32,079 --> 01:36:33,640 Speaker 2: One. I've held on plenty of times. 2173 01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:35,439 Speaker 3: I had one for a brief period. It gave me 2174 01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:37,520 twenty different kinds of hand pains. Put that in the 2175 01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:38,159 lowest series. 2176 01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:40,960 Speaker 2: It hurt my friend Sean put it in the D. 2177 01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:44,640 That's right, worse dual sense dammit, yeah, D. Don't you 2178 01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:49,520 dare hurt Sean? Uh okay, let's do the two DSXL. 2179 01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:51,960 Then it's great. It's bigger. 2180 01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:56,920 Speaker 1: Also, the two DSXL is actually clamshell, and it's like, 2181 01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:57,920 oh it was got it. 2182 01:36:58,279 --> 01:37:01,279 Speaker 2: That's it's like basically a really good three DS, just 2183 01:37:01,319 --> 01:37:05,159 without three D. Oh you're right, yeah, okay, it looks 2184 01:37:05,279 --> 01:37:08,560 it's just significantly better because of that. I guess I'm 2185 01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:10,359 still like, look, I guess if you are like the 2186 01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:12,479 three D, I'm still kind of like, what's the point? 2187 01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:15,039 Come on, live a little, have a little three D 2188 01:37:15,159 --> 01:37:18,159 as a treat and it has the other analog and 2189 01:37:18,239 --> 01:37:20,279 up yet it's definitely look, it's at least a C, 2190 01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:23,199 at least if the normal TWDS is a D. 2191 01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:27,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, you're right, let's put it in C, 2192 01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:29,279 because I'm like, what am I gonna argue for? I 2193 01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:31,039 get that, it's like, it feels good, but I would 2194 01:37:31,079 --> 01:37:33,399 just rather have a three DSXL or new three DSXL. 2195 01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:35,239 Speaker 2: Specifically, speaking of which, where's that go? 2196 01:37:36,239 --> 01:37:40,640 Speaker 1: Three SX new New three D SXL the New three DS? 2197 01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:42,760 Did that ever come out in the United States? 2198 01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:45,319 Speaker 2: But do we just have an XL? Is what you're asking? 2199 01:37:45,399 --> 01:37:49,279 Speaker 3: We had the small one only on Black Friday one 2200 01:37:49,399 --> 01:37:49,840 year jo. 2201 01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:51,920 Speaker 2: Okay, holy shit? Is that real? 2202 01:37:52,319 --> 01:37:55,000 Speaker 3: Canada had it more regularly as part of an animal 2203 01:37:55,039 --> 01:37:57,439 crossing bundle. But yes, I had one of these because 2204 01:37:57,439 --> 01:37:59,319 I had to go to Walmart on Black Friday. I 2205 01:37:59,359 --> 01:37:59,600 get it. 2206 01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:01,439 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, then I want to consider because I love 2207 01:38:01,479 --> 01:38:03,199 the face plates on this study. I love the way 2208 01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:05,199 I love the way the New three DS looks. 2209 01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:07,600 Speaker 2: Let's do that one first. Then New three DS, not XL. 2210 01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:13,119 That's cost I'll leave it to you then, because I don't. 2211 01:38:13,319 --> 01:38:14,640 To me, it's just a smaller news. 2212 01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:17,399 Speaker 3: This is also the one with the Super Family comstyle buns. 2213 01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:22,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like it. I think I want to 2214 01:38:22,159 --> 01:38:25,800 put it in a yes, because I love the face plates. 2215 01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:29,199 I yeah, but Sean, you had one. I don't help 2216 01:38:29,279 --> 01:38:31,600 us out here because I only ever like played around 2217 01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:32,359 with it a couple of times. 2218 01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:35,199 Speaker 3: I would put it on like the low end of 2219 01:38:35,359 --> 01:38:38,239 a it's like less iconic, but it is a really 2220 01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:39,520 really nice system. 2221 01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:40,159 Speaker 2: Okay. 2222 01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:42,600 Speaker 1: Then the New three DSXL, which was the one that 2223 01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:44,359 we most people would have in the United States. 2224 01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:47,199 Speaker 2: I love my new three DSXL. I love it, right, 2225 01:38:47,279 --> 01:38:48,640 I still think about all the time. It's got to 2226 01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:50,840 be an S for me. Okay, I love it. Yeah, 2227 01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:52,439 let's do it. I think it's the most comfortable of 2228 01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:56,600 all the xls that we kind of got from Nintendo, right. 2229 01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:58,840 I think it does kind of still, you know, I 2230 01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:02,000 think it sort of feels a bit more premium. It's 2231 01:39:02,039 --> 01:39:04,680 got all the buttons and analog nubbies that I need. 2232 01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:07,479 We have some great variance. I still have that Adora's 2233 01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:09,880 mask one, right, Like that's uh, that's my go to 2234 01:39:10,359 --> 01:39:13,600 when I think of this console. Yeah, I mean it's 2235 01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:15,119 kind of the last one we got out of these, right, 2236 01:39:15,319 --> 01:39:18,600 the game Boy line. Essentially, this kind of feels like 2237 01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:20,159 the culmination of it. 2238 01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:22,600 Speaker 1: Argent put it at the top of s like ahead 2239 01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:26,439 of Game Boy Pocket and PS one and sure, why not? 2240 01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:27,159 Speaker 3: Why not? 2241 01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:30,800 Speaker 2: Maybe? Yes, like goes right behind it. Then all right 2242 01:39:31,159 --> 01:39:38,439 the switch light. That's where we're at now. It's kind 2243 01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:40,159 of like the TDS with me, but not as bad. 2244 01:39:40,399 --> 01:39:45,000 I get it. It has very little appeal to me personally. 2245 01:39:45,039 --> 01:39:47,039 I think you probably like it a bit more. I 2246 01:39:47,199 --> 01:39:49,399 I like it quite a bit. The big part of 2247 01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:52,920 it is it all being one body, so there are 2248 01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:55,600 no joy cons that can come off, but that also 2249 01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:59,920 makes it feel more sturdy and more comfortable. I like 2250 01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:01,600 a lot. I think I want to put it in B. 2251 01:40:02,359 --> 01:40:04,399 You could put it in B. I, yeah, it does 2252 01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:07,439 nothing for me. All right, Well, then do we want 2253 01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:11,279 to consider the switch o led Yeah, because yeah, that's 2254 01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:14,079 you know, kind of what we got basically in terms 2255 01:40:14,079 --> 01:40:16,800 of a premium switch. Uh, I think it was. 2256 01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:19,680 Speaker 1: I think it's it's definitely the successor to the Game 2257 01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:20,680 Boy color lineage. 2258 01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:25,720 Speaker 2: I agree, Mic, Yeah, Oh my god, it's funny because 2259 01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:28,880 like I love that OLED screen and otherwise I think 2260 01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:30,680 it's disappointed that this is kind of all we ever 2261 01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:33,479 got in terms of like improvements to a base switch. 2262 01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:36,720 Speaker 1: There was a pretty serious improvement to battery life, which 2263 01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:39,680 was important because you know, this is this is how 2264 01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:41,720 handheld's win. At this point, it was like two to 2265 01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:43,479 five hours is what the range we were in after 2266 01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:45,560 the Game Boy was you know, thirty hours or whatever 2267 01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:49,720 the fuck it was. But getting like, you know, an 2268 01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:51,680 extra hour and a half out of one of these 2269 01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:53,479 systems was pretty impressive at the time. 2270 01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:57,600 Speaker 2: So I feel pretty good. Kickstands better. Yeah, kickstand is better. 2271 01:40:57,680 --> 01:41:02,359 Jeff Backlar again praises it. Should we put it in C? No, 2272 01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:04,760 it's better than C for sure? All right? All right, 2273 01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:08,159 well cool, I really like the Olds. So what do 2274 01:41:08,239 --> 01:41:11,880 you think? Do you think of B or A? Then? Um, 2275 01:41:13,199 --> 01:41:16,039 maybe b's find it, But I could, I could. I 2276 01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:18,439 think I could almost be persuaded. I just I guess 2277 01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:20,279 I just wish it did a little bit something else, 2278 01:41:20,279 --> 01:41:21,560 a little bit more juice on it. 2279 01:41:22,079 --> 01:41:22,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of. 2280 01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:25,159 Speaker 1: But it's like if the new three D S XLSS 2281 01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:28,720 and then the new three DS and PSP go are A. 2282 01:41:29,039 --> 01:41:31,600 Speaker 2: I think the switch Old's definitely A. We could put it. Okay, 2283 01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:34,199 let's do that. But that sounds right, all right? Uh? 2284 01:41:34,319 --> 01:41:36,039 Speaker 1: And then there is the PS five pro here, but 2285 01:41:36,119 --> 01:41:37,319 we don't have one of those, so we could just 2286 01:41:37,399 --> 01:41:38,520 not now yeah, who knows? 2287 01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:42,359 Speaker 2: Who knows? All right? Uh, Mike, uh, I will read 2288 01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:42,800 this off. 2289 01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:45,119 Speaker 1: Here's here are results, uh in the dump because we 2290 01:41:45,119 --> 01:41:46,880 didn't know what to do with them. The Atari links 2291 01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:49,800 Gen two, the turbographics sixteen mini, which isn't even the 2292 01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:51,359 things that's why it's in the dump. And then uh, 2293 01:41:51,399 --> 01:41:53,720 it's you know, just a modern mini console from twenty 2294 01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:56,399 twenty apparently h and then the three d O companies. 2295 01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:58,960 Speaker 2: Uh, the three d oh Gen two. Yeah, we don't 2296 01:41:59,119 --> 01:42:01,039 we know, I'm fucking that thing, all right. 2297 01:42:01,119 --> 01:42:04,840 Speaker 1: So then in D tier the Sega Genesis Gen three, 2298 01:42:05,399 --> 01:42:07,880 the we many Both those things feel exactly the same 2299 01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:12,239 to me, so the s the PlayStation three Gen three 2300 01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:15,359 also very similar. And then the two DS, which we 2301 01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:18,960 just don't like looking at or holding because of Sean's hands. 2302 01:42:19,359 --> 01:42:23,720 The C tier the Super Nintendo Gen two, the game 2303 01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:27,680 Boy Micro, and the two DSXL. It's the Nintendo category there. 2304 01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:33,840 B tier is Genesis Generation two, the Xbox three sixty S, 2305 01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:37,199 the Xbox three sixty E, the D s I, the 2306 01:42:37,279 --> 01:42:41,560 PlayStation three Gen two, the Slim, the PlayStation four Slim, 2307 01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:45,520 the PlayStation four Pro, the three DSXL and switch Light. 2308 01:42:46,119 --> 01:42:50,279 A tier is PlayStation two Slim, the top Loader, n E, 2309 01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:54,399 s d s I XL, PSP, GO, Xbox one, S, 2310 01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:58,520 Xbox one X, New three DS, and the switch O lead. 2311 01:42:59,279 --> 01:43:02,239 The S tier is New three DSXL, the DS Light, 2312 01:43:02,399 --> 01:43:03,439 game Boy Pocket, and. 2313 01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:06,439 Speaker 2: The PlayStation one the Slim model for that generation. 2314 01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:11,640 Speaker 1: Then alone in the SP's here the game Boy advance Spy. 2315 01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:14,079 Speaker 2: It sounds great to me that like that looks brogiy ye. 2316 01:43:14,159 --> 01:43:15,960 So no changes or anything. You feel pretty good about it. 2317 01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:17,319 I feel good about it. 2318 01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:20,479 Speaker 1: All right, I've downloaded the image. Let's go post this 2319 01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:23,640 to Twitter and see what the kids have to say 2320 01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:25,640 about it right there. 2321 01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:28,319 Speaker 2: In the meantime, let's take one more break. We'll be 2322 01:43:28,399 --> 01:43:34,520 back after this. Talk about what we've been playing. And 2323 01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:39,800 we're back, Mike, what have you been playing? Ah? Cut 2324 01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:43,720 amount of stuff? You know, I'm organ on that platinum 2325 01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:47,319 for Astrobot. That's something I definitely want to get done 2326 01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:47,640 by it. 2327 01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:50,479 Speaker 1: Like where are you at generally on that? You're just 2328 01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:53,079 like the credits have rolled and now you're cleaning things up. 2329 01:43:53,119 --> 01:43:55,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, roll credits a while go. I've got 2330 01:43:56,359 --> 01:43:58,960 I think World's one, two, three, and maybe even four. 2331 01:44:00,119 --> 01:44:02,840 It so like well on my way, like I have 2332 01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:05,560 like two hundred and eighty something bots, and then just 2333 01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:07,039 got to clear up the puzzle pause. I think I've 2334 01:44:07,079 --> 01:44:10,560 unlocked all the uh, you know, secret exits, so that's 2335 01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:13,600 not a concern anymore. So it's a matter of that. 2336 01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:15,960 And then like you know, there's some things like hidden Trophy, 2337 01:44:16,079 --> 01:44:17,600 and I know it seems like a lot of that 2338 01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:19,760 stuff is relatively simple. Things you do at the home 2339 01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:21,720 base and you go hit one of the guest spots. 2340 01:44:22,119 --> 01:44:24,600 So that's fine. So hopefully there's not like too much 2341 01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:26,760 there that I have to like go digging around in 2342 01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:29,680 a world for. But yeah, it's like, you know, I'm 2343 01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:33,199 not usually super compelled to get platinums, but for one thing. 2344 01:44:34,279 --> 01:44:35,840 One of the germs I do, like the one hundred 2345 01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:38,039 percent in general is three D platformers. Like the last 2346 01:44:38,079 --> 01:44:40,399 time I really went on my way to one hundred 2347 01:44:40,399 --> 01:44:44,239 percent a game in general was probably Mario Odyssey. Right, yeah, 2348 01:44:44,359 --> 01:44:46,920 it's going well there, so just you know, I'm happy 2349 01:44:47,039 --> 01:44:50,079 to do that with h with this game. And uh 2350 01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:52,199 it's like, you know, at the certain points, like I 2351 01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:54,880 think this game deserves my platinum, I don't know what 2352 01:44:55,119 --> 01:44:57,600 what that means, but it's like I felt the same way, 2353 01:44:57,720 --> 01:45:02,439 you know, Yeah, so yeah we'll do that. But you've 2354 01:45:02,520 --> 01:45:04,199 done that already, so you're kind of in like a 2355 01:45:04,239 --> 01:45:06,720 holding powder waiting for those speed run levels now, huh 2356 01:45:07,119 --> 01:45:07,600 a little bit. 2357 01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:09,560 Speaker 1: But you know, the kids are playing, and just like 2358 01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:12,199 they've been doing with Astro's play room for years now, 2359 01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:14,399 they say, hey, can you help me with this, and 2360 01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:17,520 then suddenly I find myself playing Astro again and being like, oh, 2361 01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:19,479 this is fantastic. What a great way to keep playing 2362 01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:21,720 the game, just popping in here and there helping the 2363 01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:24,319 kids out with something that's just slightly too frustrating for them. 2364 01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:27,520 They're getting better, like they're doing levels, so I'm like, oh, this, 2365 01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:28,920 this is gonna be too hard for them. They're gonna 2366 01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:30,680 need my help, and I'll get busy and I'll be 2367 01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:33,520 like I'm taking off the trash, I'm doing the laundry, 2368 01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:35,680 the dishes. Guys, I can't just stop everything go play 2369 01:45:35,720 --> 01:45:37,960 the game for you. And then I come back down 2370 01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:38,960 to check on I'm like, all right, what do you 2371 01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:40,199 need help with the I'm like, oh no, we got 2372 01:45:40,279 --> 01:45:40,640 past that. 2373 01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:42,520 Speaker 2: So they're getting better at. 2374 01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:44,199 Speaker 1: It, but it's still I'm happy when they ask for 2375 01:45:44,279 --> 01:45:46,279 help because then I get to play more Astro and 2376 01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:49,560 I'm really enjoying that. But yes, when the speed run 2377 01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:52,119 levels come out, it's going to get messy over here. 2378 01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:55,399 I'm curious about how they're. 2379 01:45:55,239 --> 01:45:56,159 Speaker 2: Planning to roll those out. 2380 01:45:56,199 --> 01:45:57,760 Speaker 1: If it really is going to be like just five 2381 01:45:57,840 --> 01:45:59,920 speed run levels, like the early reporting set of the 2382 01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:01,520 there's going to be a lot more than that, because 2383 01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:02,960 there's a lot of levels that could be speed run 2384 01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:04,720 levels based on what we played so right, And I. 2385 01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:06,840 Speaker 2: Mean, I'm curious, like, is it just like you're taking 2386 01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:09,279 these levels. Is it something new that we're getting. I'm 2387 01:46:09,319 --> 01:46:12,920 not sure, but excited to see what it is. Sorry 2388 01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:15,159 for that. A lot of my switch nighttime gaming has 2389 01:46:15,279 --> 01:46:18,520 been that Castlevania Dominus collection, and I'm now sort of 2390 01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:21,119 halfway through Order of Eclesia, so I really kind of 2391 01:46:21,239 --> 01:46:24,319 just been rolling through all of that just having a 2392 01:46:24,399 --> 01:46:27,079 good time. In Order of Clasia is interesting because it's 2393 01:46:27,159 --> 01:46:29,560 the one that, yeah, it's like it's almost it's a 2394 01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:31,359 lot more linear, at least at first. There's like a 2395 01:46:31,479 --> 01:46:34,000 level select and you know spoilers. I know, at the 2396 01:46:34,119 --> 01:46:36,359 end you do go into a castle. When it comes 2397 01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:38,640 becomes a bit more traditional, but you know, like I 2398 01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:42,079 don't mind this right now. Again, especially in the context 2399 01:46:42,199 --> 01:46:44,479 of the collection, even back then when you were gaining 2400 01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:47,079 things every once a year, it's like, oh, yeah, this 2401 01:46:47,239 --> 01:46:49,000 is you know, they're switching it up a little bit. 2402 01:46:49,039 --> 01:46:51,199 It almost feels like a little bit more like an 2403 01:46:51,239 --> 01:46:54,359 older like the more linear Castlevanias. But honestly, the game 2404 01:46:54,399 --> 01:46:58,159 plan everything is still very much in that Ega Vena style, 2405 01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:00,680 and I like that soul syste. I like that you 2406 01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:02,840 can assign them to X and Y and kind of 2407 01:47:02,920 --> 01:47:05,560 combo things. There's a lot more spells and whatnot that 2408 01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:09,199 you can use there. The art style is better than 2409 01:47:09,279 --> 01:47:12,279 that bad anime style the other two ones had before it. 2410 01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:15,680 So yeah, just I'm just really happy playing a ton 2411 01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:18,720 of Castlevania. So so glad that we got this collection 2412 01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:20,800 and now we have all six of those games just 2413 01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:23,640 easily accessible on the switch. Is just just a really 2414 01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:25,039 really nice thing. Yep. 2415 01:47:25,319 --> 01:47:27,920 Speaker 1: I continue to be impressed by that collection, for sure. 2416 01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:30,560 It's one that I've spent a little bit of time 2417 01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:33,239 with while I was traveling. But the other thing I 2418 01:47:33,279 --> 01:47:35,279 played while I was traveling is Space Marine too. I 2419 01:47:35,359 --> 01:47:36,520 got that working on the steam deck and. 2420 01:47:37,119 --> 01:47:41,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, brother, do you kill heretics for for the Emperor God? 2421 01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:44,000 Speaker 2: I'm killing some heretics for my Emperor God. Yeah. 2422 01:47:44,079 --> 01:47:47,039 Speaker 1: He kept me alive and turned me into an ultramarine 2423 01:47:47,079 --> 01:47:48,960 and now my shoulders stay ultra on it, and that's 2424 01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:49,439 pretty cool. 2425 01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:52,039 Speaker 4: Excuse me get a ride? 2426 01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:53,319 Speaker 2: Well, sorry, what is it? 2427 01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:54,920 Speaker 4: Pri Marius Marine? 2428 01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:58,520 Speaker 2: You went through the Rameris Marine? That's right, Yeah, I 2429 01:47:59,199 --> 01:48:03,840 love this game's bowl shit, all the you know, the God. 2430 01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:05,800 Speaker 1: Emperor and all that stuff, and these guys that just 2431 01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:12,199 are hyper dogmatic in their super military you know, space, Catholicism, religion. 2432 01:48:12,359 --> 01:48:15,039 Speaker 2: It's a good time. And then you go out, you 2433 01:48:15,399 --> 01:48:18,560 fight a bunch of of things that obviously are taken 2434 01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:20,520 from like the The World Wars. The engine. 2435 01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:22,680 Speaker 1: I saw what people mean of, like how the Tyrannids 2436 01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:24,760 are climbing on top of one another to get up walls. 2437 01:48:25,039 --> 01:48:27,079 It's like all that just looks like that the trailer 2438 01:48:27,119 --> 01:48:29,520 for that movie The World Wars with Brad Pitt. And 2439 01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:31,840 now I'm just shooting these guys and shooting them with 2440 01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:33,640 the grenades and kind of taking out the foundation and 2441 01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:36,840 watching them fall down. It's a cool technology, and it 2442 01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:38,640 just it makes you feel like you're always under this 2443 01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:43,079 huge barrage of an assault. And then you know when 2444 01:48:43,079 --> 01:48:45,119 they get up close and you take out your big 2445 01:48:45,319 --> 01:48:48,399 chainsaw sword and start chopping them up and they blow 2446 01:48:48,439 --> 01:48:50,640 apart in but bloody mess. It's just a fun time. 2447 01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:53,079 It's it's kind of like one of the ways I 2448 01:48:53,119 --> 01:48:55,000 always like games to be, which is just like silly, 2449 01:48:55,079 --> 01:48:55,680 gory fun. 2450 01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:58,600 Speaker 2: And this this nails that stuff. We're gonna be doing 2451 01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:03,000 the multiplayer tomorrow on Eyebombs, so looking forward to that. Uh, 2452 01:49:03,279 --> 01:49:04,960 and then anything else. 2453 01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:09,279 Speaker 1: I kind of like couldn't get Outlaws working great on 2454 01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:11,199 the steam deck, so I haven't had a chance to 2455 01:49:11,279 --> 01:49:14,279 keep playing that Star Wars Outlaws. But now I'm back home, 2456 01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:16,920 I got that updated. Apparently it's running even better now, 2457 01:49:17,039 --> 01:49:18,600 so I'm gonna spend some more time with that here 2458 01:49:18,640 --> 01:49:21,399 pretty soon. The problem is, it's like there are more 2459 01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:23,119 like this Eldas out in a couple of weeks. There 2460 01:49:23,119 --> 01:49:24,560 are a bunch of games like coming. I don't want 2461 01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:26,119 to be playing. Plucky Squire is going to be here 2462 01:49:26,159 --> 01:49:28,199 before we know it. So it's like it's getting hard 2463 01:49:28,239 --> 01:49:30,600 to keep on top of the backlog while also keeping 2464 01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:32,560 up on games that I'm like, oh, this stuff I 2465 01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:35,439 could be talking about on the BombCast. So yeah, it's 2466 01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:37,880 it's getting out of hand again. But I'm gonna keep 2467 01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:39,560 playing Space Marine too, cause I don't think it's too long, 2468 01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:40,439 right Christian, you beat it? 2469 01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:43,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not too long. 2470 01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:45,640 Speaker 2: It's like seven or eight hours. 2471 01:49:46,079 --> 01:49:48,680 Speaker 4: Seven yeah, see seven eight hours? If you like she's 2472 01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:52,439 cook She was like, because again I was playing on 2473 01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:55,439 like the heart the difficulty like an idiot for a 2474 01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:58,079 long for the longest time, and I kept dying, so 2475 01:49:58,239 --> 01:50:00,680 it took me longer. But I feel like seven hours, 2476 01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:02,479 eight hours, like that. 2477 01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:04,680 Speaker 1: Sounds that sounds just right to me. That feels like something. 2478 01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:07,239 I'm like, I got this started, I'm a couple hours in. 2479 01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:09,720 I might as well just see it through, even if, like, 2480 01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:11,800 even if it does get kind of repetitive. Maybe at 2481 01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:13,640 some point, I'm like, that's not gonna bother me if 2482 01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:16,960 it's only seven hours. So yeah, enjoying that game quite 2483 01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:20,720 a bit. Beyond that, though there was some you know, 2484 01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:22,159 new stuff will be coming out soon. Be able to 2485 01:50:22,159 --> 01:50:23,600 talk about some stuff soon. I'll be able to talk 2486 01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:25,159 about what I was doing on my trip soon, things 2487 01:50:25,279 --> 01:50:28,479 like that, Mike. Anything else from you is that. 2488 01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:32,000 Speaker 2: Mars capcom collection, which has been mostly just MVC two 2489 01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:35,159 played through like some Marque for funzies. Is working on 2490 01:50:35,239 --> 01:50:38,439 my you know all girls who wear Hats team the 2491 01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:42,079 fem Hataals, like I said earlier, was doing some online 2492 01:50:42,239 --> 01:50:44,399 matches which felt very good. All right, So it is 2493 01:50:44,479 --> 01:50:48,319 just deat to have net code MVC two, But I'm 2494 01:50:48,399 --> 01:50:51,000 excited to play through some of the other games on there, 2495 01:50:51,119 --> 01:50:53,640 especially like you know Children of the Atom x Men 2496 01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:57,439 versus story for even Marvelus Capcom one, which is very 2497 01:50:57,520 --> 01:50:59,680 much its own vibe. It was another Dreamcast game that 2498 01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:01,439 I did play a lot of, and it was why 2499 01:51:01,479 --> 01:51:04,000 I was so excited for Mars's Capcom two back when 2500 01:51:04,039 --> 01:51:06,760 it was God uh, for some reason, that makes me 2501 01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:10,159 feel older than almost anything else. Remembering waiting for Marvus 2502 01:51:10,319 --> 01:51:12,560 Capcom two to come out, it was like games. I 2503 01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:15,840 remember way before that being like, oh wow, I can't 2504 01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:17,279 wait to talker at a time comes out. But some 2505 01:51:17,359 --> 01:51:21,880 reason thinking about uh, pre ordering Marvelus Capcom two and 2506 01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:24,079 then I'm not honoring my pre order because I was 2507 01:51:24,079 --> 01:51:25,479 the only one to pre ordered it, so they just 2508 01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:30,520 didn't order the game. That's what That's what makes me feel. Yeah, 2509 01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:32,760 I was very mad because it's like, you know, time 2510 01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:35,359 is going so fast and slow during that time in 2511 01:51:35,439 --> 01:51:37,479 some ways. And then that is like, you know what 2512 01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:39,600 what year was that, like two thousand? It was like 2513 01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:41,119 two thousand. I think that's the thing too, is like 2514 01:51:41,560 --> 01:51:44,199 like the whole like being there for that whole cycle 2515 01:51:44,399 --> 01:51:47,359 of nobody cared and like the game and when the 2516 01:51:47,399 --> 01:51:49,319 kay came out, people like weren't necessarily that hot in 2517 01:51:49,399 --> 01:51:52,680 it to it becoming this monolith in the fighting game 2518 01:51:52,760 --> 01:51:55,920 community and this beloved, transcendent thing that it is in 2519 01:51:56,000 --> 01:52:00,439 the whole life of a game like that. Yeah, that right, exactly. Yeah, yeah, 2520 01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:02,720 in a nice way though on something like sure, yeah, 2521 01:52:03,039 --> 01:52:05,119 you know it's it's it's fun. It's nice to be 2522 01:52:05,279 --> 01:52:07,119 around for these things. Yeah, it's nice to have witnessed 2523 01:52:07,159 --> 01:52:10,479 this the gaming history for sure. All right then, Mike, 2524 01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:12,560 super chests. Let's let's get out here. So what do 2525 01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:14,560 we Yeah? Yeah, yeah, a few more super chests here 2526 01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:18,560 from Simon from Saskatchewan says, new member to your content. 2527 01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:20,920 But I've listened for free for so long I thought 2528 01:52:20,920 --> 01:52:23,159 I should find contribute. I was look forward to your stuff. 2529 01:52:23,319 --> 01:52:25,079 Jeff got me to Giant b I. I'm very grateful. 2530 01:52:25,279 --> 01:52:27,760 Thanks a lot. This is the first super chet for Simon. Simon, 2531 01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:30,640 thank thank you a lot. That's very appreciating. Yeah, I 2532 01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:34,319 definitely appreciate that absolutely. Mikey Oleari says, anytime the game 2533 01:52:34,359 --> 01:52:36,680 Boy Pocket comes up, I must mention that I won 2534 01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:40,479 mind the green game Boy pocket opening a bottle of Surge. 2535 01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:43,199 That's incredible. I hope you still have that one. That rules. 2536 01:52:43,439 --> 01:52:47,800 It's the Surge game Boy pocket. Jacob Bench says two 2537 01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:50,359 ds XL might be one of the best looking devices. 2538 01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:52,119 That was one of you know, people seem to agree 2539 01:52:52,159 --> 01:52:53,600 with us for the most part. Some people thought we 2540 01:52:53,680 --> 01:52:55,800 were maybe harsh on the two DSXL or I was 2541 01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:56,760 harsh on it anyway. 2542 01:52:56,800 --> 01:52:59,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just I don't have much love 2543 01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:03,119 for I do remember that My biggest memory of the 2544 01:53:03,159 --> 01:53:06,560 two DSXL is from this past summer game fest. A 2545 01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:10,520 unhinged Greg Miller was going to pick up a two 2546 01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:12,520 DSXL that just happened to be sitting in front of 2547 01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:14,720 him and was gonna throw it across the room. And 2548 01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:16,319 I had to tell them that this is an important 2549 01:53:16,359 --> 01:53:18,920 two DSXL that was just in like a video that 2550 01:53:19,039 --> 01:53:20,640 someone that I can't remember where they were at, but 2551 01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:22,960 they just had a video about the street passing in 2552 01:53:23,079 --> 01:53:24,640 twenty twenty four and they just put it up and 2553 01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:25,880 it did really well for them, and I'm like. 2554 01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:28,600 Speaker 2: I watched that video. That's that two DSXL right there, 2555 01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:30,880 and Greg Miller was going to destroy it live in 2556 01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:32,880 front of an audience, and pow, he was just gonna 2557 01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:36,560 throw the It's not he threw a copy of WWF 2558 01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:39,439 fucking whatever it was. He already had destroyed that at 2559 01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:41,600 that point, he was just looking for more things to destroy. 2560 01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:43,399 Speaker 1: He threw that and they threw it on the ground 2561 01:53:43,399 --> 01:53:45,000 and spiked and went right past the head of the 2562 01:53:45,039 --> 01:53:46,720 producer and almost took his head off. 2563 01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:49,359 Speaker 4: So oh, next year, when you when you have it, 2564 01:53:49,399 --> 01:53:51,560 next year you have you have to have like an 2565 01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:55,079 extra place so he can destroy. I will watch that 2566 01:53:55,199 --> 01:53:55,920 shit all the time. 2567 01:53:55,960 --> 01:53:58,439 Speaker 1: I'll have a rage room for him to go in. 2568 01:54:00,199 --> 01:54:03,359 You could destroy whatever he wants. I do remember though, 2569 01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:05,000 when I look down at the two D sex out 2570 01:54:05,039 --> 01:54:08,279 thinking that's a good looking device. So I don't know 2571 01:54:08,359 --> 01:54:09,880 that that's the best I could do for you. Ever, 2572 01:54:10,079 --> 01:54:11,800 it's a big I provement on the two DS, the 2573 01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:14,680 normal two DS. I'll give it that, which massive, yes. 2574 01:54:15,199 --> 01:54:18,199 Speaker 2: Ol Grugg says, that's between three Grand Festival goes hard. 2575 01:54:18,319 --> 01:54:20,439 I know this event's happening. I don't know very much 2576 01:54:20,479 --> 01:54:20,800 about it. 2577 01:54:21,640 --> 01:54:23,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of want to check back in on 2578 01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:25,399 spoletoon and I bet I could convince we had. 2579 01:54:25,359 --> 01:54:27,720 Speaker 2: To play that roguelike mode that they added that apparently 2580 01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:29,199 is fun. I definitely need to do that. 2581 01:54:29,399 --> 01:54:31,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, Octa expansion in two as well. 2582 01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:34,800 Speaker 2: I will, I will, I will, and Ali Merkle says, 2583 01:54:34,840 --> 01:54:38,760 hear me out the Sega Nomad the original switch. I 2584 01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:41,319 did have a Sega Nomad, and that thing did rule. 2585 01:54:41,399 --> 01:54:42,640 Speaker 1: It was just I guess I could have put it 2586 01:54:42,680 --> 01:54:44,079 on the list. I just when I looked at him, like, 2587 01:54:44,119 --> 01:54:46,079 it's different to me, it's a different thing. Yeah, that's 2588 01:54:46,119 --> 01:54:47,840 kind of what my gut reaction there. 2589 01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:49,600 Speaker 2: So I don't know. I wouldn't have included it, but 2590 01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:51,680 I did. I did like it. It was you know, 2591 01:54:51,720 --> 01:54:54,000 it was very novel at that point. You just have 2592 01:54:54,119 --> 01:54:58,760 an official portable Sega Genesis and then Dan the Brats 2593 01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:01,600 is long time be fan. There's about three minutes of 2594 01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:03,119 the tour you have to do on your own and 2595 01:55:03,199 --> 01:55:04,880 Space Marine before you can play multiplayer. 2596 01:55:05,079 --> 01:55:08,800 Speaker 1: Just in case you don't know, is that separate from 2597 01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:11,760 like I'm playing the single player. That's the tutorial right. 2598 01:55:12,159 --> 01:55:12,800 Speaker 4: For a single play. 2599 01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:13,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, because because they. 2600 01:55:13,880 --> 01:55:15,399 Speaker 1: Gave me the two other guys, and I assumed those 2601 01:55:15,439 --> 01:55:17,760 were the guys that could be the online dudes, because yeah, 2602 01:55:18,119 --> 01:55:18,880 all the invite stuff. 2603 01:55:18,920 --> 01:55:21,800 Speaker 4: Therefore, there's another mode where you get like it's like 2604 01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:25,640 strikes in Destiny where you have like to pick like 2605 01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:28,560 a class, but that doesn't have a tutorial. But you 2606 01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:31,159 can't play online it has matchmaking and everything. 2607 01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:34,159 Speaker 2: All right, well, well I'll make sure that Jan and 2608 01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:35,600 Dan know about that for me. 2609 01:55:36,039 --> 01:55:38,119 Speaker 3: Let them know. And also you can skip that tutorial. 2610 01:55:38,159 --> 01:55:39,680 I don't know if that's why they added later. 2611 01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:42,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, you just okay, oh yeah cool, thanks for 2612 01:55:42,640 --> 01:55:46,079 helping all that shit. Sean appreciate it, all right, cool boys, 2613 01:55:46,119 --> 01:55:48,520 I think we're good. Right, that's it. Thank you. Everybody 2614 01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:52,000 appreciate it. Oh, I hit both, but I have both. 2615 01:55:54,039 --> 01:55:58,319 Let's again run it back. We've got to fix the 2616 01:55:58,399 --> 01:56:01,920 twods ex sels placement. We're so sorry everybody. You're right 2617 01:56:01,960 --> 01:56:03,439 to show and delete everything. 2618 01:56:04,039 --> 01:56:06,840 Speaker 1: Uh like, Manati, how are you doing what? We'll find 2619 01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:08,800 you on the internet? One more super chat hit it. 2620 01:56:09,680 --> 01:56:11,239 Speaker 2: I don't see it. Chat said there was, but I 2621 01:56:11,279 --> 01:56:14,520 don't see it. Maybe I think you got it. I 2622 01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:16,039 don't see it. I think we're good. I think I 2623 01:56:16,479 --> 01:56:18,960 think yeah, we're fine. What'd you say to me? I 2624 01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:19,279 don't know. 2625 01:56:19,319 --> 01:56:21,000 Speaker 1: I think I was starting to introduced, to introduce the 2626 01:56:21,039 --> 01:56:25,840 show again, because then you got a new nineties guess 2627 01:56:25,880 --> 01:56:27,039 you coming out in like the next week or so. 2628 01:56:27,159 --> 01:56:30,159 Speaker 2: You guys got to zero point five here soon check 2629 01:56:30,199 --> 01:56:32,600 out Blike Club, though, I went back into the lonely 2630 01:56:32,680 --> 01:56:34,199 of dark minds. That was terrible. 2631 01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:37,600 Speaker 1: That was quite an adventure today. There was several times 2632 01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:39,800 where I'm like, he's just never gonna figure this out? 2633 01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:42,159 Speaker 2: What is this game? And then you do get past everything. 2634 01:56:42,239 --> 01:56:45,520 You make proggies, but it's painful progies. It is completely 2635 01:56:45,560 --> 01:56:47,760 different than anything we have done on Bike Club before. 2636 01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:50,680 That's for sure. It is its own special. Hell uh, 2637 01:56:51,159 --> 01:56:53,720 it's a great time. Everyone should definitely watch it, like 2638 01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:55,399 a lot of people did watch it. That first episode 2639 01:56:55,399 --> 01:56:57,479 did really well. Yeah, thank you everybody? 2640 01:56:58,239 --> 01:56:58,479 Speaker 5: Did you? 2641 01:56:59,479 --> 01:57:01,159 Speaker 2: Did you forget docks yourself on this episode? 2642 01:57:01,159 --> 01:57:01,279 Speaker 3: Though? 2643 01:57:01,279 --> 01:57:01,960 Speaker 2: Should we go back to. 2644 01:57:03,439 --> 01:57:04,640 Speaker 4: Right right now? 2645 01:57:05,600 --> 01:57:06,000 Speaker 3: Do it? Oh? 2646 01:57:06,079 --> 01:57:08,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no there's another super chat from Symbiosis. Mike 2647 01:57:09,359 --> 01:57:14,359 Sibiosa says, one more chat very much. Hell yeah, uh 2648 01:57:15,159 --> 01:57:18,359 the name of flick Lighter's paper about computers there you go. 2649 01:57:19,479 --> 01:57:22,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh, I'll tell you a lot more thing column 2650 01:57:22,239 --> 01:57:23,119 Columbus soon. 2651 01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:27,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, happen soon time next week. Yeah, it's been hard 2652 01:57:27,439 --> 01:57:29,199 to do all. I've been traveling and stuff, but that's 2653 01:57:29,720 --> 01:57:31,319 everything traveling and. 2654 01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:34,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I did push back the game miss game 2655 01:57:34,439 --> 01:57:37,520 quot discussion today just because I'm not feeling one last weekend, 2656 01:57:37,720 --> 01:57:39,439 having so much else to do today. But we'll get 2657 01:57:39,479 --> 01:57:40,119 back on that soon. 2658 01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:42,960 Speaker 1: We'll get back on schedule with a lot of things, everybody, 2659 01:57:43,039 --> 01:57:45,239 but thanks for sticking with us. We appreciate every time 2660 01:57:45,279 --> 01:57:46,800 everyone tunes in, even when one of us is in 2661 01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:49,359 here or both of us aren't here or whatever, it 2662 01:57:49,479 --> 01:57:51,560 means a lot nice. We love doing these shows still, 2663 01:57:51,680 --> 01:57:55,560 so thanks everybody. I'm trying to think last thing, no, no, 2664 01:57:55,680 --> 01:57:56,159 last thing. 2665 01:57:56,359 --> 01:57:57,800 Speaker 2: Have a good one, Take take care of for stuff, 2666 01:57:57,800 --> 01:57:58,560 and goodbye bye. 2667 01:57:58,680 --> 01:58:29,239 Speaker 5: Mike Sean by Forever fatass white crob Astro Chief comes. 2668 01:58:30,600 --> 01:58:34,520 Speaker 2: Oh classic. Yeah, most people are beating it right now. 2669 01:58:36,359 --> 01:58:41,119 They are going to come for Zelda rck. 2670 01:58:41,199 --> 01:58:44,239 Speaker 4: I forgot to put floppy barl It's coming back. My bad. 2671 01:58:45,079 --> 01:58:46,600 Speaker 2: There's a there's a super chat about it. 2672 01:58:48,640 --> 01:58:52,159 Speaker 4: This Unity thing reminds me like they're taking away the 2673 01:58:52,399 --> 01:58:54,880 made with Unity splash cream. They made it. They're gonna 2674 01:58:54,920 --> 01:58:58,239 make it optional if you for Unity for Unit six. 2675 01:58:58,279 --> 01:59:00,640 So it's like remember all those memes like oh maybe 2676 01:59:00,640 --> 01:59:03,279 with uned to somebody didn't pay for the thing. Now 2677 01:59:03,319 --> 01:59:05,039 that's it's gonna be out of the window. 2678 01:59:05,119 --> 01:59:07,199 Speaker 1: Unreal does something similar unless you put it on like 2679 01:59:07,239 --> 01:59:08,920 the Epic Store. If you put it on the Epic Store, 2680 01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:10,439 then you don't have to pay the money to get 2681 01:59:10,479 --> 01:59:10,720 rid of that. 2682 01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:16,640 Speaker 2: Or Sean's handle is under my videos right now. 2683 01:59:16,760 --> 01:59:19,600 Speaker 4: Yes, for it's been there for I don't know, like 2684 01:59:19,680 --> 01:59:20,159 two months. 2685 01:59:20,159 --> 01:59:26,159 Speaker 2: I don't know what really. Yeah, yeah, I'll get rid 2686 01:59:26,159 --> 01:59:32,840 of that real quick, go to I think so right here, 2687 01:59:33,600 --> 01:59:35,399 there we go. Okay, let's bring it back. 2688 01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:37,560 Speaker 4: Let's use go out everybody fuck unity. 2689 01:59:39,119 --> 01:59:44,479 Speaker 2: Light punch medium punch, medium punch, which is punch twice. 2690 01:59:46,319 --> 01:59:46,760 Speaker 4: Hout you. 2691 01:59:47,680 --> 01:59:51,119 Speaker 2: I love that, no problem? Do you think. 2692 01:59:52,319 --> 01:59:54,319 Speaker 4: I'm a I'm a mazed. Mike doesn't know that. 2693 01:59:54,720 --> 01:59:55,600 Speaker 3: It's like the. 2694 01:59:57,079 --> 02:00:00,760 Speaker 4: He's like D video D E n B see video Like. 2695 02:00:01,039 --> 02:00:03,479 Speaker 3: Did you did you listen to the BombCast now, Christian? 2696 02:00:03,880 --> 02:00:04,560 Speaker 4: No, I didn't. 2697 02:00:04,680 --> 02:00:10,279 Speaker 3: I didn't, Okay, I Tam. Tam convinced him to bring 2698 02:00:10,359 --> 02:00:13,720 it up while we were in the episode. Mike just 2699 02:00:13,800 --> 02:00:16,479 kept a straight facing like this is an interesting video. 2700 02:00:16,840 --> 02:00:17,680 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 2701 02:00:18,279 --> 02:00:20,520 Speaker 3: He clearly heard what he needed to hear. 2702 02:00:20,640 --> 02:00:26,880 Speaker 4: It was really good like bunch medium, like I have 2703 02:00:27,039 --> 02:00:31,119 a bunch. It's a good infinite it's a you see 2704 02:00:31,159 --> 02:00:32,000 his infinite. 2705 02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:36,279 Speaker 3: Do you see say Jam's new tournament that was rating 2706 02:00:36,319 --> 02:00:41,760 his discord Christian, No, what I miss? Well? I think 2707 02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:44,000 it's like community run, but it's like under his banner 2708 02:00:44,119 --> 02:00:52,199 the the Burrito Bowl spot. Yeah, good stuff a location. 2709 02:00:53,800 --> 02:00:55,520 Good guy, good guy, good guy. 2710 02:00:56,800 --> 02:00:58,840 Speaker 2: I think I see this enough in chat you want to, 2711 02:00:59,119 --> 02:01:00,840 I can maybe make a little bit bigger and just 2712 02:01:00,920 --> 02:01:02,239 have this other stuff off of the right cut off 2713 02:01:02,439 --> 02:01:02,880 the letter. 2714 02:01:03,279 --> 02:01:04,000 Speaker 3: That's what matters. 2715 02:01:04,279 --> 02:01:10,359 Speaker 2: Okay, cool. Yeah we can add an f. 2716 02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:15,600 Speaker 4: Some people some people put on their submissions. 2717 02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:20,479 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, add a robe a little bit to accommodate. 2718 02:01:20,560 --> 02:01:22,560 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I'll be able to do that. 2719 02:01:22,640 --> 02:01:25,840 Speaker 4: Let's just see how how it puts out whatever. Whenever 2720 02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:28,680 you move something into the Rose is gonna adjust it 2721 02:01:28,760 --> 02:01:29,359 to the size. 2722 02:01:29,600 --> 02:01:34,359 Speaker 2: Don't worry about it, all right, right right? Okay? And 2723 02:01:34,479 --> 02:01:37,920 I think I got most of the consoles. I might 2724 02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:38,960 have missed something here or there. 2725 02:01:39,399 --> 02:01:43,039 Speaker 3: Oh we cannot up this is this is a pre 2726 02:01:43,159 --> 02:01:44,359 made one, right, you didn't make it. 2727 02:01:44,439 --> 02:01:46,479 Speaker 1: Digit I did make this because I could not find 2728 02:01:46,720 --> 02:01:48,079 that I did not. I could not find one that 2729 02:01:48,479 --> 02:01:50,640 was what I needed. So I took one that had 2730 02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:53,039 a bunch of these pictures. I went to inspect Element 2731 02:01:53,479 --> 02:01:56,039 so I could actually download the fucking pictures because tear 2732 02:01:56,119 --> 02:01:58,279 makers like we got to protect these go to hell. 2733 02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:01,439 So I inspect the elements a bunch, and the one 2734 02:02:01,439 --> 02:02:04,199 I had did not have the ney S top loader, 2735 02:02:04,319 --> 02:02:05,840 so I'm like, already this is not great. 2736 02:02:05,880 --> 02:02:07,600 Speaker 2: But then they had a bunch. They had a bunch 2737 02:02:07,680 --> 02:02:09,079 of the rest, so I think we're pretty good for 2738 02:02:09,079 --> 02:02:09,359 the rest. 2739 02:02:09,359 --> 02:02:12,199 Speaker 3: And then I put the PS five, pro PS two 2740 02:02:12,279 --> 02:02:14,159 slim and the sp you'll cover, like. 2741 02:02:15,880 --> 02:02:21,199 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, for sure, yes, God, yeah, there's there's there's 2742 02:02:21,199 --> 02:02:21,960 a lot of ones in here. 2743 02:02:23,239 --> 02:02:23,479 Speaker 2: Why not. 2744 02:02:24,279 --> 02:02:26,199 Speaker 4: It's not like they're protecting the thing. I think is 2745 02:02:26,399 --> 02:02:28,039 probably whatever code are run. 2746 02:02:28,039 --> 02:02:30,880 Speaker 2: And sure sure to make it to make it interactable. Yeah, 2747 02:02:30,920 --> 02:02:32,439 and that you're probably right. I don't know. I bet 2748 02:02:32,479 --> 02:02:34,279 they can make it interactable and still let me write, 2749 02:02:34,319 --> 02:02:37,640 click and download. But whatever, inspect element ain't. Ain't that 2750 02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:40,119 hard to do. It's like one extra step. 2751 02:02:40,279 --> 02:02:43,359 Speaker 4: Do you know that you can't just go to applications 2752 02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:46,039 on the thing and see that all the images on 2753 02:02:46,119 --> 02:02:46,479 the site. 2754 02:02:48,239 --> 02:02:50,079 Speaker 2: Uh No, I didn't know that. How do I do that? 2755 02:02:50,399 --> 02:02:51,520 Speaker 4: I'll tell you? 2756 02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:53,159 Speaker 2: Okay, cool? 2757 02:02:53,239 --> 02:02:56,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean just you know, the saying inspect elements 2758 02:02:57,319 --> 02:03:00,000 and then just click right here and then it actually 2759 02:03:00,439 --> 02:03:01,880 if you click yeah yeah. 2760 02:03:01,760 --> 02:03:04,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but if you go to like the bar 2761 02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:10,000 about on top and go to applications, you can go 2762 02:03:10,119 --> 02:03:13,000 to the thing to the to the list and lest 2763 02:03:13,119 --> 02:03:16,079 you all the images that are on the page. Cool 2764 02:03:18,880 --> 02:03:26,000 and all right, different, All right, listen, okay, okay, wait, 2765 02:03:26,039 --> 02:03:27,640 do you have the thread up? Also? 2766 02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:33,479 Speaker 2: Uh, double check, I'll send you the link if you 2767 02:03:34,640 --> 02:03:37,479 I got it right there, podcast, So. 2768 02:03:37,520 --> 02:03:41,960 Speaker 4: You can't just switch it outrum. 2769 02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:51,439 Speaker 2: I'll just have to Okay, let's do this and Wenna 2770 02:03:51,439 --> 02:03:51,960 bring it back in. 2771 02:03:53,680 --> 02:03:56,000 Speaker 4: All right, Sorry, we need to check the thread, but 2772 02:03:56,159 --> 02:03:58,960 we're going too long, so we had to skip. 2773 02:04:00,680 --> 02:04:03,000 Speaker 1: We're honestly people, we hadn't done a tier list in 2774 02:04:03,119 --> 02:04:05,800 quite some time, if ever, I can't remember, I don't remember. 2775 02:04:08,039 --> 02:04:09,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we just didn't know how it was going 2776 02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:10,119 to go. 2777 02:04:10,199 --> 02:04:11,920 Speaker 1: So today when we were talking about it, we're like, 2778 02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:14,319 should we take podcast producers submissions? 2779 02:04:14,359 --> 02:04:15,920 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people ended up saying the 2780 02:04:16,159 --> 02:04:18,039 top ones that we picked anyhow, anyhow. 2781 02:04:17,960 --> 02:04:20,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it pretty much lined up with what you 2782 02:04:20,520 --> 02:04:20,960 guys said. 2783 02:04:21,319 --> 02:04:24,000 Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, we appreciate that always everybody. 2784 02:04:23,720 --> 02:04:26,159 Speaker 3: Except thinking that you're crazy for on the PS two 2785 02:04:26,199 --> 02:04:26,920 Slim and nest here. 2786 02:04:27,520 --> 02:04:29,960 Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, that was my that was me. You 2787 02:04:29,960 --> 02:04:32,079 can put that one on me, I guess all right. 2788 02:04:32,239 --> 02:04:36,079 Let's see here, let's do this silver one. Put it 2789 02:04:36,159 --> 02:04:39,239 on me and my love of retractable disk drives. 2790 02:04:41,880 --> 02:04:45,119 Speaker 3: I'll give you that. But it's impressive that the disk 2791 02:04:45,239 --> 02:04:50,479 drive is most of the console. Yeah, like the like 2792 02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:53,760 you've ever seen a PS two Slim trim down. No, 2793 02:04:54,439 --> 02:04:56,479 people remove the disk drive and you can make the 2794 02:04:56,520 --> 02:04:58,720 PS two Slim like half the size that the Slim 2795 02:04:58,840 --> 02:04:59,239 even is. 2796 02:04:59,319 --> 02:05:00,359 Speaker 2: It's double. 2797 02:05:00,680 --> 02:05:01,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so cool. 2798 02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:04,840 Speaker 2: Alright, let's uh, let's get back, let's go