Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So, since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property, And for this week of October eighth,
Speaker 1: we are continuing with Lost, Season one, episode fourteen special.
Speaker 1: What a sad episode this was? Yeah, young Walt, you
Speaker 1: have not been the recipient of good parenting from anybody,
Speaker 1: No wonder your following lock around like a little lap
Speaker 1: dog and throwing knives at trees.
Speaker 2: Just man? Yeah, so rough a what a you know? Gosh?
Speaker 2: That poor kid?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean his you can understand the dynamic
Speaker 1: between him and Michael now, because not only did he
Speaker 1: never live with his father that he can remember, he
Speaker 1: didn't even know he existed. He thought somebody else was
Speaker 1: his father, who he's now lost.
Speaker 2: Also because it wanted him on the first.
Speaker 1: At least doesn't want him once he realized he's creepy. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I mean, Michael was kind and didn't tell Walt
Speaker 1: that guy you think is your father doesn't want you,
Speaker 1: so you're stuck with me. He gave him an out,
Speaker 1: which he totally did not deserve. Made himself the bad guy, right,
Speaker 1: But at least he stole the guy's dog. That's the
Speaker 1: least of what that dude deserves.
Speaker 2: He said, you could have the dog. Also, I know
Speaker 2: that this is you know that we need to look
Speaker 2: past these things. But he shows up in New York
Speaker 2: and he says, Susan died yesterday. Yes. Now, it takes
Speaker 2: a very long time.
Speaker 1: Even if you don't crash land on an island, it
Speaker 1: takes a while.
Speaker 2: It takes a while. Like did he just like flee
Speaker 2: from the hospital room and just directly to the airport.
Speaker 1: Why would he not have Well, I guess he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to take Walt with him because Walt's weird, and
Speaker 1: maybe you would crash the plane as he did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yep, but yeah, yeah, he should have just
Speaker 2: takenim out and been like, hey, dude, we're going on
Speaker 2: a trip.
Speaker 1: See you never Yeah, but then we wouldn't have met
Speaker 1: the smartest nanny in the business who sees all the
Speaker 1: letters in a box, clocks that and then handsome to Michael. Wow,
Speaker 1: give that lady a tip. She did not have to
Speaker 1: do that or to know that. And she just looked
Speaker 1: like it's been bothering her for years and now now
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it to him deadly.
Speaker 2: And maybe she was like, hey, you should take the dog.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm gonna give her credit for that. That's excellent.
Speaker 2: He really loves that dog. She'll take it with him.
Speaker 1: I don't think that she is a fan of the stepdad, Yeah,
Speaker 1: nor the mother if the mother was one not giving
Speaker 1: the kid the letters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm.
Speaker 1: Just I'm just writing a whole plot line for that nanny.
Speaker 1: But she's done a great deal of satisfaction in turn
Speaker 1: over those letters. Yes, I also slipped something into your
Speaker 1: food so you die of a blood disorder.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but oh, Walt, Walt, He's special.
Speaker 1: Manifestation of things, birds and polar bears and all sorts
Speaker 1: of who knows what right, and the comic book and
Speaker 1: a book about a plane crash when he was on
Speaker 1: the plane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe he was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean they could they have focused on
Speaker 1: the polar bear on the burning comic book any longer.
Speaker 2: I did notice it before it was burning, you know.
Speaker 2: And I'm pretty sure there was a hatch of some
Speaker 2: kind in that comic book, yes, yes, And I actually
Speaker 2: I thought we were done with bolar bear. I thought
Speaker 2: that was just a one time thing. But apparently not.
Speaker 1: Either it wasn't killed the last time, or or there's
Speaker 1: more than one, or Walt just made this one appear.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, also I don't think they killed it this
Speaker 2: time either, because it just kind of away, like probably
Speaker 2: real mad and bleeding.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but apparently did not come upon Clara. And
Speaker 1: it's so blumpering about because she turns up.
Speaker 2: She turns alive. Yeah, do you think that she's gonna
Speaker 2: be a little mad? Like, guys, was nobody looking for me?
Speaker 2: Charlie had to read your diary first, but he was
Speaker 2: in totally. He was gonna start looking for what I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm very interested to see what what happens next regarding that,
Speaker 2: because gosh, yeah, as we've been saying every week, like
Speaker 2: somebody look for her.
Speaker 1: Really said she'd been gone a week, which is less
Speaker 1: time than we've been waiting, but still a week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, you're not gonna go look for If it
Speaker 1: was anyone of you and somebody didn't come immediately, it
Speaker 1: would be the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 2: Exactly. You have time for gardening at golf mm hmmm,
Speaker 2: additional golf tournament.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what is wrong with these people? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're working on the map, figuring things out.
Speaker 2: They're not just gonna go running into the jungle this
Speaker 2: time up like every other time, every other time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I guess this time too, because Walt went
Speaker 1: into the jungle and so they had to run into
Speaker 1: the jungle after him, right, but uh.
Speaker 2: And then Vincent ran into the jungle, and Walt had
Speaker 2: to run after Vincent. Oh, Vincen vinceid it's a good
Speaker 2: looking dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still say for the amount of time that
Speaker 1: dog has been through a plane crash and in the
Speaker 1: jungle and on the beach and in.
Speaker 2: The caves, it's very clean. It's very clean. My dog
Speaker 2: goes out in the yard to pee and she comes
Speaker 2: in dirty mat right, and it's your dog is not
Speaker 2: like blonde like that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my dog is black. And still what is
Speaker 1: this sticking to your coat? There's definitely there's we know
Speaker 1: there's a pharmacy on the island and a dog groomer
Speaker 1: and possibly a day small. Maybe that's where Claire's been. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these people people look pretty still looking pretty dewy.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, and I just during this episode said
Speaker 2: to my husband, like, how is Shannon's hair so clean?
Speaker 2: Like it's so clean. I mean, I guess she's like
Speaker 2: little bottles of shampoo or something.
Speaker 1: It's like Sawyer collected a bunch of stuff. She went
Speaker 1: through and took all the.
Speaker 2: Shampoo, all the shampoo, conditioner, and like a blow dryer.
Speaker 2: I think too.
Speaker 1: I did enjoy boone, just like not picking up what
Speaker 1: she's putting down, not having any one like your dad.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty much over your nosis, right, you want to
Speaker 1: go get captured by a monster.
Speaker 2: I haven't had it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Ooh, him bringing up her eating disorder when she's complaining.
Speaker 2: Yeah, get us some burn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's that's some sibling nastiness.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: Goodness, Oh and just gosh, right off the bat, right
Speaker 1: off the beginning of the episode, Hurley's saying that Michael
Speaker 1: hates being a dad.
Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, that seems unnecessary. Dude's trying.
Speaker 1: Come on, of course, all he's doing is just yelling
Speaker 1: at the kid and making him stop doing things that
Speaker 1: he enjoys doing. But still, you know, he's still in
Speaker 1: the first section of the dad manual.
Speaker 2: He hasn't gotten to be fun dad yet. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: he really kind of got screwed out of the whole first, really,
Speaker 2: did you know? The first year seems like he was like,
Speaker 2: you know, playing on the floor with the baby, like,
Speaker 2: you know, enjoying it all, and then boom. Yeah, Susan's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm going I didn't understand. I mean, I guess obviously
Speaker 2: she didn't want him to, but why was there no
Speaker 2: discussion of him going with her, Yeah, to even to
Speaker 2: not live with her, but so he could be near
Speaker 2: the baby.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, he didn't seem to have any that much
Speaker 1: tie in him down, but I think she made it
Speaker 1: pretty clear he wasn't welcome. We're done, Yes, Even though
Speaker 1: she claims that they're not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just need some time apart. I'm gonna go yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that was brutal. And then of course, you
Speaker 1: know he's gonna go visit them. And then he makes
Speaker 1: the rookie mistake of hanging up the payphone and stepping
Speaker 1: out into the street right by a car. Wait, that
Speaker 1: was a blast from the past.
Speaker 2: Pa, a phone and a yellow taxi. I mean they recently.
Speaker 1: But I do some work copy editing for educational materials,
Speaker 1: and there was a high school history lesson. It was
Speaker 1: social studies. It was talking about never mind what was
Speaker 1: talking about. But the history lesson involved somebody using a payphone.
Speaker 1: It was a Supreme Court case that involved in your
Speaker 1: privacy your payphone, and they had to have a little
Speaker 1: box that explains what a payphone was. In the seventies
Speaker 1: when this case was, people would go into a booth
Speaker 1: on the street and put in a small amount of
Speaker 1: money in order to talk on the phone. Oh dear,
Speaker 1: I like my hair started turning white as I was
Speaker 1: reading it. Now have they never seen the parent trap?
Speaker 1: She goes into a phone booth.
Speaker 2: It's not that foreign. How old does that movie? Don't answer?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Also, you know veron five yeah, there's a song. That
Speaker 2: song is from like twenty t God, that's not that
Speaker 2: not that well, yes it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people of today are what is this payphone of?
Speaker 2: Would you speak?
Speaker 1: Why didn't they just use the phone in his pocket?
Speaker 2: Was the battery dead? He was on an island that
Speaker 2: didn't have any power.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you love it if they just went around the
Speaker 1: corner on the island and there's a pay phone.
Speaker 2: I mean there is a big metal hatch, so.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, so you know it could happen. Would you
Speaker 1: if you were on mystery island and you just came
Speaker 1: through a clearing and there was a payphone box in
Speaker 1: the middle of a clearing?
Speaker 2: Would you get into that? I mean the door open? Also,
Speaker 2: who do you call? I say, like, do you call
Speaker 2: your mom? Be like, Mom, I need you to pick
Speaker 2: me up.
Speaker 1: That's right, just let it ring three times in hang off.
Speaker 2: They'll know they don't want to pay the collect call.
Speaker 1: Hopefully they still have the diamond their shoe.
Speaker 2: Yes, for there for that purpose? What else did anybody?
Speaker 2: What did Jack do in this episode? Not very much,
Speaker 2: very much? And Sawyer. Sawyer had his you know, one
Speaker 2: minute scene to just be his same usual smug sawyerself
Speaker 2: and have this diary that everyone was looking for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in a rut. Yeah, I mean it's like,
Speaker 2: what are we going to do with this character? I
Speaker 2: don't know, But for now he can just lounge around
Speaker 2: on the beach and smirk at people.
Speaker 1: It ain't a bad life, you know, It's only better
Speaker 1: than what he had on the mainland, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was running away from that guy whose money
Speaker 2: he left. Yeah. Yeah, man, he's got some shade. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he was getting in some kind of trouble in
Speaker 2: Australia that we saw on Boone's episode. That's right. So
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 1: Boone's just now like Locke's secondhand. Man. He really is
Speaker 1: just beating up people for him hanging around, Yeah, off
Speaker 1: to the side.
Speaker 2: He definitely did make his decision not to tell Shannon anything. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think he's done. He's done there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's gonna drive her crazy now, Yeah, she'll.
Speaker 2: Probably I mean, will it drive her crazy enough for
Speaker 2: her to like follow him or is she probably expend
Speaker 2: that effort? Right since aid? Yeah, I think you should
Speaker 2: go follow my brother. Yeah, pick something's up out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see her Robin through the jungle, but
Speaker 1: never know, she may want the camera time.
Speaker 2: True.
Speaker 1: And then we had the return of the dog whistle.
Speaker 1: Yes hey, although he apparently also calls missing pregnant lady. Still,
Speaker 1: who knew glad it didn't call the polar bear. That's right,
Speaker 1: he's taking a risk. Vincent's just living his best life,
Speaker 1: isn't he? Just like, you know, you can run all
Speaker 1: the way into the jungle anytime I want, come back
Speaker 1: anytime I want good small rodents.
Speaker 2: Probably anytime I want. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It's a magical island. So I never get fleas.
Speaker 2: Ye, I never get dirty, never get dirty, never have
Speaker 2: to go to the vet and get shots or anything
Speaker 2: like that. I'm away from that stepdad dude, who was
Speaker 2: oh yeah, you know, technically his dog. But okay, I
Speaker 2: did enjoy that detail. We talked about that already, but like,
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, you can have the dog.
Speaker 1: I hope he really loved that dog dude too, But
Speaker 1: that bends it was like, you're not a nice man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going with the kid. The kid needs me.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, have been through a lot, guy, he is, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just what the heck, I don't care how scared.
Speaker 2: You are the kid. Yeah, he's a child, that's rough.
Speaker 2: How old do we think he needs a psychic to
Speaker 2: go around and say, like he needs you? You can't
Speaker 2: be raised by another.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Walt was raised by another. Maybe that's what happens
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 2: That's why you get.
Speaker 1: All sorts of weird ability to uh do weird island things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's I think he's like ten.
Speaker 1: I think so it's old enough to say, who are you?
Speaker 1: I'm not going to nowhere? Right, but look at all
Speaker 1: these letters I wrote to you with bad jokes on.
Speaker 2: Them, had dad jokes. That's how you know I'm an
Speaker 2: actual dad dad geez?
Speaker 1: I mean from a parenting point of view, to suddenly
Speaker 1: be thrust into a parenting role when your kid is ten,
Speaker 1: with very little the kid who doesn't really know that
Speaker 1: you exist, Yeah, and with you know, so weird. The
Speaker 1: only notice you had was basically the time you spent
Speaker 1: on an airplane, right, you know, he's like, here, here's
Speaker 1: two plane tickets.
Speaker 2: It is so weird. Yeah, yeah, I like that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe he knew that.
Speaker 1: Like you say, it's like you just like you must
Speaker 1: have immediately ran from the hospital.
Speaker 2: I need to be on the next flight to New
Speaker 2: York and then.
Speaker 1: Turned around and flew back right back, presumably but on
Speaker 1: a different plane.
Speaker 2: Right, He's like, here's a ticket for you. I will
Speaker 2: not be with you.
Speaker 1: I mean he could at least be there to talk.
Speaker 1: Just gosh, raised a kid for at least state years. Yep,
Speaker 1: we put you in the bad stepdad Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: along with the bad dads. We've had sister mom either here.
Speaker 1: So I think we're gonna we got bad dads, bad sisters,
Speaker 1: bad mothers, bad stepdads.
Speaker 2: Step step mother to like Boone's mom.
Speaker 1: Yes, was step mom to Shannon right right, So I
Speaker 1: guess we have two bad stepdads or was she is?
Speaker 2: I think it was the mom.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but also but whoever the step whoever Shannon's
Speaker 1: somebody was bad to boon to. Yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I think there was badness all around, just just all
Speaker 1: of them. Yes, this show is a very bad show
Speaker 1: to take parenting gifts from.
Speaker 2: It's mostly don't do that.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, don't do that do it?
Speaker 2: Yes, well that's what we're learning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, nothing good can come of all these things
Speaker 1: you're doing. People, Just do your job. I think again,
Speaker 1: as with Claire, Michael could use a parent But we've
Speaker 1: said this before that Michael needs a parenting book.
Speaker 2: You need a parenting book.
Speaker 1: We need a you know, baby parenting book for Claire.
Speaker 1: We need a ten year old parenting book for Michael.
Speaker 1: At the time this came out, surely, I say again,
Speaker 1: surely there was somebody on that airplane who was reading
Speaker 1: a parenting book.
Speaker 2: Somebody's luggage and all that luggage that they've been spending
Speaker 2: all these weeks sorting and looking through.
Speaker 1: Some poor mom was taking this flight to read about
Speaker 1: what to do about her horrible child. Honestly, I have
Speaker 1: myself possibly read parenting books on an airplane. Come on,
Speaker 1: they're there, They're somewhere. Maybe there's a case full.
Speaker 2: Of them someplace.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe Walt can think real hard and make.
Speaker 2: One appear exactly. I bet he could think.
Speaker 1: Of all the things you would like your father to know,
Speaker 1: and then, you know, imagine it in a book. Because
Speaker 1: it's clear that Michael has no clue whatsoever how.
Speaker 2: To be a father. Although he did have, there hasn't
Speaker 2: been he had the presence to number one lie about
Speaker 2: Brian to protect Walt's feelings, and number two total Brian Stuck.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true, and I wish there had been some
Speaker 1: way to spare Walt's feelings without giving that bleep cover
Speaker 1: and making himself look like the bad guy. I am
Speaker 1: the one who is taking you from this father, the
Speaker 1: only father you've ever known, right, and now I am
Speaker 1: your father now. But he could have just said he
Speaker 1: fell out a window and we're very sorry. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: also had a blood disorder.
Speaker 2: Right. Turns out they were a match made in heaven,
Speaker 2: question mark. Yep, he was.
Speaker 1: You know, he's going back to the airport and he
Speaker 1: stepped out into traffic and boa boom.
Speaker 2: He wasn't as lucky as I was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because kid's never going to go Well, I guess
Speaker 1: you wouldn't know that the kid's never going to go
Speaker 1: back to Australia at that time. But still that was
Speaker 1: very noble of him to do, but had the side
Speaker 1: effect of making Walt kind of hate him. Yeah, instead
Speaker 1: of the person who should rightly be hated. We mentioned
Speaker 1: how terrible that guy was.
Speaker 2: Maybe achieved man.
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh well, now we have the cliffhanger of Claire
Speaker 1: being there. Yes, next week we shall see what she's
Speaker 1: been doing. What kind of shape she's in right, and
Speaker 1: how ticked she.
Speaker 2: Is, and if she's still pregnant beleeping nobody came to
Speaker 2: find you? Yes, and if she's still pregnant, because that
Speaker 2: was definitely obscured at this Yes, it was at this.
Speaker 1: Juncture to make us wonder. As the week goes by,
Speaker 1: ulus we go on lost Apedia find it. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know read the description for.
Speaker 2: The next episode. That would be wrong. I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1: Well, you've never seen it before.
Speaker 2: I could just be refreshing right for you. You've seen it so.
Speaker 1: Though. Interestingly this episode, when it was over, both my
Speaker 1: husband and I turned to each other and said, I
Speaker 1: have no memory of ever.
Speaker 2: Watching that episode.
Speaker 1: I don't remember any of those plot points at all. Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: it just.
Speaker 2: Did you remember that Claire came back?
Speaker 1: I didn't remember. I mean, I knew that she at
Speaker 1: some point came back.
Speaker 2: I didn't remember it. This episode.
Speaker 1: Just we have no Maybe maybe we missed it somehow,
Speaker 1: maybe we were doing something that week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you did, then you wouldn't necessarily get
Speaker 2: the chance.
Speaker 1: I knew generally some of the plot points, but I
Speaker 1: didn't remember.
Speaker 2: You probably read it father, you read a recap instead
Speaker 2: of actually.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't remember the whole drama of why he
Speaker 1: took Walt back other than I just assumed his mom died.
Speaker 1: And so it's like, because we talked a few weeks
Speaker 1: ago about why didn't Brian just adopt him, Well Brian
Speaker 1: did adopt him and then so I did not remember
Speaker 1: any of this at all. Okay, I did remember Walt
Speaker 1: being special, but not from this episode, from an episode
Speaker 1: that's coming up. Okay, So anyway made a real impression
Speaker 1: on me at the time, on both of us. So
Speaker 1: maybe we really just never saw it. Yeah, that could
Speaker 1: be back in the day when if you missed an
Speaker 1: episode of TV, you just kind of missed an episode
Speaker 1: of TV and it was fine. Oh well, so next
Speaker 1: Tuesday we will continue with season one, episode fifteen of
Speaker 1: Lost home Coming.
Speaker 2: Is there going to be a parade?
Speaker 1: I assumed that this would be a clear flashback episode,
Speaker 1: because don't we want to flash back in her and.
Speaker 2: Your very Yes?
Speaker 1: But no, in fact, it is a Charlie episode because
Speaker 1: it's all about him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's already had his turn. He yes, he has.
Speaker 2: But wait a second before we get into you, let
Speaker 2: me talk.
Speaker 1: About my trimming, right, all right, man, Okay, you go ahead,
Speaker 1: She'll just wait and then hitch you over the head
Speaker 1: with something for reading her diary.
Speaker 2: But also, what a waste of time that scene of
Speaker 2: him like trying to resist the urge to read her diary,
Speaker 2: which we all knew he was going to do. He
Speaker 2: knew he was going to do. They spent like thirty
Speaker 2: seconds of him like putting it down, picking it up,
Speaker 2: putting it down, picking it up, putting it back in
Speaker 2: the bag, moving the bag like Okay, we get it.
Speaker 1: Episode came in thirty minute, thirty seconds short, and I thought, well,
Speaker 1: we could like have the polar bear for another thirty seconds,
Speaker 1: or we could just get dominic something to do.
Speaker 2: Okay, Ella, here's has been a business for you man,
Speaker 2: Yeah boy, yoh boy. He went with it. He did.
Speaker 1: It's an opportunity for everybody to get up and get
Speaker 1: another beverage from the kitchen. Well, thank you for listening.
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