WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.680 You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report 2 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:08.000 a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every 3 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:09.480 thirty one. Do you wish to report a. 4 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:12.960 UFO over hey, we want to one of those. 5 00:00:14.640 --> 00:00:16.559 Areas thirty one. Do you wish to find a report 6 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:19.760 of any kind of it? I wouldn't know what kind 7 00:00:19.760 --> 00:00:24.960 of reports, clouds, time areas thirty one me neither there 8 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:30.480 were self. If it was anybody above us to pass us, 9 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:31.199 Like thirty. 10 00:00:30.920 --> 00:00:34.719 Seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, okay, 11 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:37.039 OFFI the UFO. 12 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:39.719 Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock. 13 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:40.920 Yes, I'll passed over. 14 00:00:42.439 --> 00:00:42.759 I got. 15 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:45.119 I don't know what it was, but it's from at 16 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:47.679 least to three thousand feet above us. See, I passed 17 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:53.479 out over the top of us. Ninety one one. 18 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:55.240 You just called both to be the four. 19 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:58.679 They're after staying the airplanes. 20 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:04.920 He is to God on an. 21 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:08.760 Unidentified object, every liberty or call or calm on an 22 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:14.239 unidentified flying object. 23 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:19.120 A Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share 24 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:24.400 their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had 25 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:26.519 an encounter, I would like to be on the show. 26 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:47.920 You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. 27 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:51.640 Hello everyone, and welcome to the podcast. How are you 28 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:55.000 all this week? I hope you're all ready for the holidays. 29 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:58.920 I'm Nick Canter and you're listening to the UFO Chronicles podcast. 30 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:03.159 This even we have the pleasure of hosting Scratch from 31 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:07.359 South Carolina and here be sharing experiences of UFOs and 32 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:12.919 the paranormal, recounting encounters with various ghosts and apparitions, visits 33 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:16.360 by the Tommy Knockers, and the mysterious sighting of what's 34 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:19.599 known as the Little People during a camping trip in 35 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:24.159 the woods. Scratch is up next, but first, if you 36 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:26.360 enjoyed the show and you would like to help support 37 00:02:26.360 --> 00:02:29.120 the podcast on Patreon, you can do this for as 38 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:31.639 little as one dollar a month. Head on over to 39 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:36.199 patreon dot com forward slash UFO Chronicles podcast. You can 40 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:38.759 also find a link in the description of this episode. 41 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:58.199 Any help is very much appreciated. Now on with the show. Hello, Scratch, 42 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:02.280 Welcome to the podcast, so thank you, thank you. Good 43 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:04.919 to have you with us today. And you're calling from 44 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:06.800 South Carolina in the US. 45 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:09.319 That's correct, wonderful part of the world. 46 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:12.719 Okay, now, Scratch, you have some experiences you're going to 47 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:16.240 be sharing. Would you like to start at the beginning, please, sir, Well, certainly. 48 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:19.159 I'm from South Carolina. I grew up very close to 49 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:22.039 Clinton University. If there anyone out there who knows where 50 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:24.400 that is, I lived there for a good portion of 51 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:27.199 my life. I moved to Atlanta, Georgia for about three 52 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:29.719 years when I was in my middle twenties, and then 53 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:32.560 as I got older, I came back to South Carolina. 54 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:36.879 What we're gonna be talking about tonight basically my UFO experiences. 55 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:39.759 Growing up in the middle of a forest. I grew 56 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:42.039 up in the middle of one hundred acre forest, which 57 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:45.120 is rather large. My whole life, we'd always had strange 58 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:50.639 occurrences around around the household. My mother grew up in 59 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:54.159 the same area where I grew up at when she 60 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:58.639 was in her in her youth, and we'd always seen 61 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:02.039 some just really does things, just stuff that would be 62 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:05.719 out of the ordinary. That there was no science, there 63 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:09.919 was no Internet, There was only like a television show 64 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:12.960 or two hopping The name in search of was about 65 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:14.680 the only thing that you would see that had anything. 66 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:18.439 You were remotely close to what I was experiencing, and 67 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:22.720 my parents were experiencing. We would see unusual lights in 68 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:27.120 the sky. Not satellites, but lights that were closer that 69 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:30.279 moved very quickly, and they moved way too fast to 70 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:33.480 be airplanes. This was long before the internet. This was 71 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:36.680 in the seventies. Back in those days, if you mentioned 72 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:41.800 that you saw UFO, you'd be branded as nuts, you 73 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:44.199 were a lunatic, there was something wrong with you. You needed 74 00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:47.560 medication or talk therapy. So we kept it to ourselves. 75 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:49.720 I'm in my late fifties now and I'm just now 76 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:52.600 starting to talk about it. This is, in fact, my 77 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:55.720 second podcast that I've been able to do with anybody. 78 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:57.959 I am writing a book and eventually we'll have it 79 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:01.279 published under the name Scratch Viewer. I think talking about 80 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:04.480 it is probably my key thing for right now, because 81 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:06.920 I'm getting older. I don't know how many days I 82 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:09.279 have left, and for me to talk about what is 83 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:11.959 important when I think is important for people to know, 84 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:15.439 especially with the government coming out more and more in 85 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:18.480 the US, in the UK and other places talking about 86 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:22.360 UFOs and this sort of thing when they're not releasing 87 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:24.639 everything that they do know. You know, I know that 88 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:28.120 for a fact. Okay, like I said, I've seen lights 89 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:31.560 in the sky around the house, you know, too close 90 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:35.439 and nothing like that. But my father told me when 91 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:38.839 I was just a kid that one night he heard 92 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:43.839 something in the house and he said it sounded like 93 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:46.360 it was coming from the hallway, and he said, from 94 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:50.360 what he could tell, it sounded like two children talking 95 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:53.199 to each other, one turning to the other, one saying 96 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:54.959 something to the fact that they're going to be okay, 97 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:59.439 and the other one replying, yeah, they'll be fine. And 98 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:02.519 then he said, heard like a woosh sound. You didn't 99 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:04.439 see any lights or anything like that, and just got 100 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:08.839 a woosh. And you know, like I said, I've seen 101 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:11.600 things since I was a child, since we since I 102 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:14.279 can remember living in that same house. Until I was 103 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:18.319 in my early twenties. You couldn't call somebody and say, hey, 104 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:19.839 what do you make of this or anything like that. 105 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:22.920 But I said, you'd be basically put on a list. 106 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:25.199 And kind of getting back into it, I've seen some 107 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:28.360 stuff from when I was just a child that didn't 108 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:31.000 make any sense, and so I grew up kind of 109 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:37.319 learning to expect the abnormal, expect the supernatural, expect the paranormal. 110 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:41.560 Because my mother was very highly religious, and I've talked 111 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:46.120 to her about these things, and her her reasoning was 112 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:49.279 pray about it. And as I grew older and I 113 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:52.319 told her more and more things and started to scare 114 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:56.079 her in a way, And finally she revealed me one 115 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:58.360 day that when she was a young girl living in 116 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:01.120 the house, it was just down the road from where 117 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:03.959 we lived, because we were on a long gravel road. 118 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:07.000 She grew up in her mother's and father's house down 119 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:10.439 the road or two football feels away from us. She 120 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:12.560 said that one night when she's going to the outhouse, 121 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:15.560 because back when she was a child, they didn't have 122 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:19.240 plumbing down down that road. Their water system was close 123 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:21.839 to the house, but they had that outhouse, which is 124 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:24.560 a modern day toilet, but it was a separate building 125 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:28.040 away from the house. She said that one night she 126 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:31.720 was walking to the outhouse and she saw a gray 127 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:35.360 ship with multiple lights on her windows as she called 128 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:37.879 it because it looked like windows. There was like coming 129 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:39.839 out of it sat windows tour. But she said it 130 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:43.519 was a gray ship moving very slowly, not too far 131 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:46.240 from the surface of the earth where she was walking. 132 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:49.439 And that kind of intrigues me, and we would intrigue anybody, 133 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:50.920 but that was one of the few times that she 134 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:53.279 actually talked to me about it this stuff, because I 135 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:55.079 think as time went by, she became more and more 136 00:07:55.160 --> 00:07:58.759 fearful of me because of the things that I was experiencing, 137 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:02.800 the things I was experience around the household. It was 138 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:06.199 as though the very land itself was a beacon to 139 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:10.920 these strange and anomalous events that were going on, everything 140 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:14.480 from time slips, to seeing cryptids, to seeing other things 141 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:19.319 that weren't quite cryptis but but weren't shadows. Okay, a 142 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:23.560 couple of encounters with ghosts there. South Carolina is a very, 143 00:08:23.959 --> 00:08:26.240 very old It's a very old part of the country. 144 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:29.079 Where I grew up and where my mother grew up. 145 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:33.600 Native Americans were said to have inhabited their land, and 146 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:37.679 they were tribes there, and so there was a presence 147 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:41.480 of that. It was just an interesting way to grow up. Well, 148 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:43.440 the thing I want to talk about tonight is that, 149 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:45.639 of course, you know, me talking about seeing lights in 150 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:48.799 the sky, my mother seeing us a ship a craft. 151 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:53.279 As I grew older. In those days, the area wasn't 152 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:56.399 what it is now. We didn't have industry like we 153 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:59.919 do now. There weren't very many job opportunities. The main woman. 154 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:03.000 Entertainment was to basically get drunk and hang out with friends. 155 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:05.720 And I'm pretty sure it's still it's always been that way, 156 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:08.440 but back in those days, it's kind of what I did. 157 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:10.399 Go over to a friend's house, would have a number 158 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:12.919 of beers, and sometimes I wouln't even go back home. 159 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:17.039 I'll just stay there and crash on the couch because 160 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:19.000 it was the danger of getting called by the police 161 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:22.639 outweighed the you know, convenience of going back to your bed. 162 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:26.159 And this went on for a number of months because 163 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:30.080 I was borderline depressed, just broken up with a girldfriend 164 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:33.000 that I had for a couple of years, and it 165 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:35.879 was just a way to kill time. I just one night, 166 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:37.600 I just felt like I went to his house, a 167 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:40.879 buddy's house. We were talking and everything. It wasn't late 168 00:09:40.919 --> 00:09:43.759 at night. It was rather early for me. A late 169 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:45.440 night for me, it would be three and a three 170 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:48.240 am in the morning, but it was rather early. It 171 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:51.320 was right around at eleven o'clock. I decided to I 172 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:53.559 decided to go home and finally just just take a 173 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:55.559 night off and drinking, just take a night off of 174 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:59.480 the party and just create some art. So I put 175 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:02.600 on my head I had a Walkman cassette player, and 176 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:04.639 I put on my headphone so I could quietly draw 177 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:10.240 without disturbing anybody in the house and just draw. I 178 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:12.320 love to create r I like to I like to 179 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:16.120 do that sort of thing. So I started drawing a 180 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:19.480 picture of a son. I don't know why. I could 181 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:21.720 have threw faces like whatever in the world. I wanted 182 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:24.720 to draw for some reason. That night, I was going 183 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:29.200 to do a portrait of a galaxy or something like that. 184 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:32.320 And I started and I was listening to a tape 185 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:34.799 by John Siri called and the Stars Go with You. 186 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:40.480 It's just new ag relaxing music to me, and so 187 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:42.559 I was listening to it and looking to it for 188 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:45.159 sort of kind of inspiration, and I kind of grew 189 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:48.559 bored with that. So I said, Okay, I'm going to 190 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:50.279 turn off the light and try to get some sleep. 191 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:54.320 Just goes off listening to this beautiful music. Well, I 192 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:58.519 had a telephone that was a line telephone back in 193 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:01.320 those days. There was no such cell phones in the 194 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:04.200 late eighties. In my bedroom, I had a line telephone 195 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:08.080 right beside my bed, and we had a cordless telephone, 196 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:10.960 which was a kind of a grandfather of the modern 197 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:13.759 day cell phone. But it had to be a It 198 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:16.759 was a phone that had an antenna, and that antenna 199 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:20.000 connected to the base, which was located in the kitchen. 200 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:23.159 It was on a charger, and it had its own 201 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:26.360 specific ring kind of tone, more of a chirp than 202 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:30.360 a ring. My phone would ring. Now I knew about 203 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:33.759 I knew about UFOs from watching different television shows, and 204 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:35.960 it was becoming more and more of a popular subject 205 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:38.480 for people to talk about stuff, more than just in 206 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:42.080 search of or any of other programs. There were magazines 207 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:45.720 that in that time, there were books. You know, just 208 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:50.320 imagine the number of people writing books on the subject, 209 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:54.360 making money from really their story. And I thought it 210 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:57.240 was cool, but I wasn't really heavily into it. Okay, 211 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:00.639 I'm still not. I mean I pay attention, I'm just 212 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:03.440 not overly into the topic because there's so many other 213 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:06.200 things that I have to focus on, and as most 214 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:08.720 people do when they're living a life. So back to 215 00:12:08.759 --> 00:12:12.120 my story. I turned the light out and I rolled 216 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:15.919 back on my back and it was counter five and 217 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:19.519 the phone in the kitchen, the porrible phone make like 218 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:23.399 a chirp sound before my phone would ring. My phone 219 00:12:23.399 --> 00:12:26.919 would go. It was very loud, very loud, it would ring, 220 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:29.639 whereas the phone in the kitchen would chirp. It's the 221 00:12:29.679 --> 00:12:32.480 best way to describe a beat chirp top sound. Well, 222 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:35.960 I heard the phone in the kitchen go beat like 223 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:38.600 it was about to ring, so immediately I just rolled 224 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:40.919 over without turning the light on and started to reach 225 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:44.320 for the phone by my bed, hoping to catch it 226 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:47.159 before it rang again. Somebody calling that late at night. 227 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:50.320 It had to be an emergency or something or something, 228 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:52.480 someone doing some kind of silly parank or something, and 229 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:54.759 I didn't want it. Waking with my parents and the 230 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:58.399 bedroom not too far from mine. Their door wasn't their 231 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:00.440 bedroom wasn't too far from my, I didn't want to 232 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:03.360 wake them up. And just as I'm reaching forth the phone, 233 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:07.720 a brilliant blue light pierced through my window and it 234 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:11.279 came into the room. It freaked me out because right 235 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:15.279 above the phone on the same wall was the electrical 236 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:19.440 panel that basically served the entire house. On the other 237 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:22.639 side of the wall where the light came there was 238 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:26.960 a propane tank that used to keep the heater running 239 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:30.559 that heated the entire house. Well. Seeing a blue light 240 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.480 coming through the window. I kind of just totally forgot 241 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:36.159 about what was going on with the phone for a second. 242 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:39.639 I'm thinking that either the propane tank is somehow connected 243 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:42.600 to the electrical thing, or something's going on with the 244 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:46.840 electrical panel above my head, literally above my head, about 245 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:49.240 four feet away. And then as soon as the light 246 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:52.679 came into the room, the light shut off. I mean 247 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:55.799 it just it was just like real quick, I don't 248 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:58.080 know how count to one two, like kind of a 249 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:01.799 counter two, and the phone in the kitchen made another chirp. 250 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:04.600 My phone never rang. I'm still reaching for it, but 251 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:07.559 my phone never rang. The phone in the kitchen made 252 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:11.600 another chirp. This time I noticed a low bas tone. 253 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:14.440 It would be so low. It wasn't loud, but you 254 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:18.840 could just feel the base tone, a low, low hum. 255 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:21.759 And of course the light came through the window the 256 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:27.159 same time. Now the hom happened, and I'm like, okay, 257 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:29.240 I need to get out of bed. But at the 258 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:33.440 same time, I was kind of just frozen in place 259 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:36.480 with kind of just fear. I don't know how I 260 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:39.639 actually explain it. I just really I couldn't move count 261 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:42.919 one two. The phone in the kitchen would chirp again 262 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:48.000 one two, the hum and the light would come into 263 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:50.279 the room. This time I decided to watch what the 264 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:52.639 hell was going on the room. You know, I wanted 265 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:55.120 to see what is this light happening into the bedroom. 266 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:57.200 I wasn't about to get out of bed just yet. 267 00:14:57.200 --> 00:15:00.960 I kind of wanted just to see what's going on before, 268 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:03.559 you know, assess the situation before I got a bed 269 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:05.720 and start trying to warn everybody, wake up, wake up, 270 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:08.919 there's something going on outside or something. And I noticed 271 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:12.120 that the light just passed the foot of my bed, 272 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:14.679 maybe a foot, so we're talking about like eight or 273 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:18.200 nine feet into the room. And then this is when 274 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:20.679 it really got weird. I mean, it's already weird to 275 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:25.000 begin with, I'll confess that, but I noticed that the 276 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:28.240 light jutted into the room was like a laser show. 277 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:30.799 And in those days, lasers couldn't do this. I don't 278 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:34.240 think lasers can do this now. But the light bent 279 00:15:34.679 --> 00:15:37.759 to the right and it swept like an arm over 280 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:41.200 the bed, over my body, until it met with itself 281 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:43.480 back in the window. It was zinked out and just 282 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:47.639 zeroed completely out. The light basically went from the floor 283 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:50.879 to the ceiling and it just zinked out, and then 284 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:53.919 the chirp in the kitchen happened again. The low hum 285 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:57.919 accompanied the chirp. The light came back in the room again, 286 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:00.759 and I watched this happen two or three times. I 287 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:04.000 wanted it enough to see to notice something that I 288 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:08.200 can only describe as being sunbeams. If you've ever looked 289 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:10.200 through it, you've seen the sun coming through a window, 290 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:12.919 and you can see dust particles floating in the air. 291 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:16.720 As and as you're sitting there observing the sunlight coming 292 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:19.840 through the window through like a prison sort of thing, 293 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:22.320 you can see little particles of dust floating in the air. 294 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:24.720 I don't care where you are, how clean your house is, 295 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:27.600 you're going to see dust particles like I did. I 296 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:30.639 think that pretty much concludes how bright this light was. 297 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:33.399 I mean, this light was wasn't just like a flashlight. 298 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:36.480 This was like a laser light. And if I'm not mistaken, 299 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:38.919 back in those days they had basically two colors, red 300 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:41.440 and green or something. Blue wasn't on the spectrum. In 301 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:43.519 those days, we were way out in the was It 302 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:45.960 wasn't someone playing a trick. We didn't have any neighbors. 303 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:48.559 We had one neighbor and that was my aunt living 304 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:50.519 in my grandmother's houseaid I mentioned at the beginning of 305 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:54.240 this podcast, the technology was not there, and this was, 306 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:57.879 like I said, kind of late late nineteen eighties, early nineties. 307 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:00.159 The technology wasn't there to do this sort of thing. 308 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:02.440 And had it been, who in the world's going to 309 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:06.440 come over and mess with the country boy. There's nothing special, okay, 310 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:09.039 just a kid starting out in life. Really, it wasn't 311 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:11.880 going to happen anyway. Watching the light, listening to the 312 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:14.480 sound of the little bass hum and the phone doing 313 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:17.799 this crazy thing in the kitchen. I finally got my 314 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:21.799 nerve up to scream out, and I screamed out, Dad, 315 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:24.799 get your ass in here now, at the top of 316 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:27.839 my lungs. We didn't swear in my house. My mother 317 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:29.680 was super religious, and so I didn't so much as 318 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:32.599 say the word I asked unless it was something deadly serious. 319 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:35.400 And then, to me, this was deadly serious. I wasn't 320 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:37.119 even thinking about what I was just saying. I was 321 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:39.599 just just saying it. I slept in that room in 322 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:43.319 my bedroom, door open most of the time, but I 323 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:45.640 didn't feel the need to close it. There was really 324 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:48.720 no need to. I looked over just as I'm getting 325 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:51.759 the words out, and I can see my father coming 326 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:53.799 to the door. I turned a light on so that 327 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:55.960 I could see what's going on beside my dad. I 328 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:58.920 had a table beside it. The only things on the 329 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:01.680 table were in a little the lamp and the phone. 330 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:04.319 He comes to the door and he's still trying to 331 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:06.960 watch sleep from his eyes. He's like, what's going on? 332 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:10.559 I'm like, did you not see what's going on out 333 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:13.839 in this room? He said no. My mother was very 334 00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:17.519 ill health. She kind of come in behind him. And 335 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:19.839 I said, did you hear the phone ringing in the kitchen? 336 00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:22.319 And he said no, But my mother said, yeah, I 337 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:24.559 heard the chirping of the phone in the kitchen, but 338 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:26.519 that was all I heard. I said, did you see 339 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:30.279 any lights? And she said no, and he didn't see 340 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:33.160 they lives. So I want to go outside. I want 341 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:34.960 to see what the hell's going on outside. I need 342 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:38.079 to go outside. And my father said, well, from what 343 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:40.240 you're telling me, you don't need to go anywhere. You 344 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:42.839 don't need to go outside. The last thing you need 345 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:46.440 to do is go outside. I was like, really super 346 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:50.759 intense about it, and I said, well, I'm not going outside. 347 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:54.079 I'm not sleeping in this bedroom tonight, I'll sleep in 348 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:57.200 your bedroom on the floor with the shotgun beside me. 349 00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:00.519 I didn't know what was going on. It didn't make 350 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:02.799 any sense at the time, It really didn't, but it 351 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:06.799 was enough to just open my eyes to the possibilities 352 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:09.240 of many, many things that I would learn and carry 353 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:11.039 with me the rest of my life. Now, I could 354 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:14.480 easily have talked about this with somebody, but moof On. 355 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:17.200 I had no idea that it existed in those days. 356 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:19.559 Like I said, I wasn't paying that much attention to things. 357 00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:23.200 I didn't even know that mouf On existed. But that 358 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:25.359 would have been one of the first people I contacted 359 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:27.880 and connect to this and said, hey, what do you 360 00:19:27.920 --> 00:19:30.480 make of this? I'm not sad that I didn't, because 361 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:33.599 many more strange things would happen later in life than 362 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:36.720 even even this was kind of a It was a 363 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:40.440 monumental event in my life, and it was just it 364 00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:43.000 was something big, but it wasn't the biggest thing that 365 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:45.519 ever happened to me, but not the most bizarre thing. 366 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:48.400 It's time to go by, and so that was the 367 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:51.319 first time I had a close encounter, that close, if 368 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:53.240 you will. It was like a week or two later, 369 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:56.039 I was in this I had my own bathroom in 370 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:58.039 that same room, and I was looking out the window, 371 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:01.319 the bathroom window which was on this saying well as 372 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:04.039 the bedroom window, and I noticed that some paint had 373 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:07.279 been charred from the side of the of the propane 374 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:10.000 tank that I mentioned earlier, and it was on the 375 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:12.319 side from where the light would have come from. It 376 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:14.759 was weird because it was like it was super rusted. 377 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:17.680 Propane tanks are painted for a reason and so they 378 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:21.359 don't rust, and this tank wasn't more than two or 379 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:24.119 three years old. There should have been no signs of 380 00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:27.440 rust on that side of the propane tank lid at all, 381 00:20:27.759 --> 00:20:30.440 and that's where the rust was. There was nobody to 382 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:32.160 go out and take a scraping of it and say, hey, 383 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:35.759 is this radioactive material? It probably was, but what would 384 00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:37.920 be the point. And I'd taken a piece of the 385 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:41.079 scrapings of the rest off of the propane tank down 386 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:43.119 to Clinton University and said, hey, what do you guys 387 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:45.079 make of this? And I said it was radioact material? 388 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:48.160 Where the hell did you get this? It would have 389 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:49.359 been a whole bunch and it had been a whole 390 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:52.640 bunch of explanation, explaining and explanation that I didn't really 391 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:54.799 want to get involved in not me in twenty two, 392 00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:58.319 twenty three years old. No, I wasn't going to do it. 393 00:20:58.759 --> 00:21:01.519 It would have been more harmful than good for me. Okay, 394 00:21:01.960 --> 00:21:06.119 So the house was damaged. That kind of encouraged me 395 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:07.440 to go out and look at the back of the house. 396 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:09.079 And I went out and I looked. I looked at 397 00:21:09.079 --> 00:21:11.279 everything around the back of the house where the power 398 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:14.920 lines came in. Nothing was damaged. There was no peeling, 399 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:17.400 a paint from the wall on the outside or anything 400 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:20.440 like that. There was nothing other than just rusting aside 401 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:23.799