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Speaker 1: This ain't my first time at the rodeos. Alright, everyone,
Speaker 1: you know what it is. It's the Cosmic Peach Podcast.
Speaker 1: And tonight our guest is so when you may recognize
Speaker 1: from a past episode, the Vampire Priestess episode, we have
Speaker 1: Rye from Codega's Codex of Curiosities, which is a really
Speaker 1: interesting name. Actually, I like it. I like it. You don't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't give too much away.
Speaker 2: I agree. It's a it's got a lot a lot
Speaker 2: in the name, you know. And I like that it
Speaker 2: had curiosities because I I'm always drawn to curiosities, and
Speaker 2: you know, there was always like the what do they
Speaker 2: call those, the like I don't want to say the
Speaker 2: freak show, but you know, like you go in and
Speaker 2: check out these strange, strange things that you you just
Speaker 2: never seen before, and you you want to go and
Speaker 2: so that's where I came with the Curiosities, but the Codega,
Speaker 2: that Moniker has kind of stuck with me for a
Speaker 2: while and I finally got to put it to use,
Speaker 2: So I was quite happy with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's like a lot of podcast names.
Speaker 1: They it's all in the title, you know, Nephelum, Death Squad,
Speaker 1: conspiracy whatever. With yours, it's kind of like, well, what
Speaker 1: exactly am I going to discover?
Speaker 2: What am I? What am I in for? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: And for those who don't know, like I'll give a
Speaker 2: brief history of the Codega. Codega was in Venice, Italy,
Speaker 2: and he was a guide that would guide people around
Speaker 2: the fourteenth to the sixteenth century. He would guide people
Speaker 2: with a lantern through the dark alleys in Venice, keeping
Speaker 2: away thieves, criminals, ghosts, and demons, and then along the
Speaker 2: way he would pass on he would tell them stories
Speaker 2: and he would also hear stories from his guests as well,
Speaker 2: the people that he would be protecting, and he would
Speaker 2: take them from someplace to someplace safe, you know, take
Speaker 2: them home or something like that. So that Monika, I
Speaker 2: just like that this guide who is walking you, keeping
Speaker 2: you safe along your journey and imparting some knowledge and
Speaker 2: some wisdom along the way.
Speaker 1: I like the name even more now there we go.
Speaker 1: No idea, but that was I was like, that could
Speaker 1: be like his uncle or something.
Speaker 2: As my daughter originally thought it was bodega, like bodega
Speaker 2: where you go and get something and so and so
Speaker 2: that kind of stuck in a way that I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: that's gonna be my merch store name. You know, likedgas
Speaker 2: codegas bodega.
Speaker 1: That's actually really cool. I like that. Well, so thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us. I'm really glad to have you here.
Speaker 1: When we worked together last time, we talked about the
Speaker 1: Vampire Priestess. But after we were finished recording, we kind
Speaker 1: of visited for a while, and you know, a bunch
Speaker 1: of we just talked about all kinds of stuff, but
Speaker 1: there was one thing in particular, and I wish we
Speaker 1: would maybe not because I want it for my own show,
Speaker 1: but uh, we weren't recording, but you were telling me
Speaker 1: about this vision you had one day, and I literally
Speaker 1: got like straight up goose bumps, like by the time
Speaker 1: you got to the end of the story, because I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, people can have visions and it's
Speaker 1: not just like a ha loose Nasian or something like that.
Speaker 1: It's like the real is shit. So I mean, what
Speaker 1: exactly did you see?
Speaker 2: Okay, this is and this even freaked me out because
Speaker 2: I was starting to get a little terrified at the
Speaker 2: end of all of this. Now, and this didn't last
Speaker 2: a short time. This was like possibly fifteen minutes in total.
Speaker 2: So I had just pulled up to this this local
Speaker 2: supermarket here, just it's very small and I needed to
Speaker 2: get some things from the deli. So I as I parked,
Speaker 2: my vision starts to get distorted. And now this is
Speaker 2: where they kind of have a medical scientific explanation for it,
Speaker 2: which would be called an ocular migraine. So what happened
Speaker 2: is I started getting this and people call it as
Speaker 2: a kaleidoscope, but I don't call it a kaleidoscope because
Speaker 2: coliscope is all throughout your whole vision. What this was
Speaker 2: was lines. I started seeing these lines of immense bright
Speaker 2: light and it wasn't white, say, it was like fluctuating
Speaker 2: between pinks and purples and oranges and yellows as well,
Speaker 2: and it was rolling on itself, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: So think of you have one line and it started
Speaker 2: from the left, was it started from the Yeah, it
Speaker 2: started from the left small and it opened up large
Speaker 2: to the right, and it was like a triangular shape
Speaker 2: and it was in all intensities purposes, a rip in
Speaker 2: my reality. Okay, So this started to form, and some
Speaker 2: people describe this as an ocular migraine. Now their actual
Speaker 2: knowledge of what an ocular migraine, and it is nothing.
Speaker 2: They're like, well, it doesn't have any pain. You just
Speaker 2: see these kaleidoscope of colors. Fair enough, that's and if
Speaker 2: that's all that happened, I would say, Okay, well I
Speaker 2: guess I had an ocular migraine, and I will call
Speaker 2: it off to that. So I'm walking through the store
Speaker 2: and this is starting to take up about fifty percent
Speaker 2: of my vision. Okay. So it's this rip that I
Speaker 2: see from left to right, this triangular and I'm standing
Speaker 2: in line at the deli now, and I checked my
Speaker 2: eyes and by doing that, I closed one eye and
Speaker 2: I'm holding my fingers over it. I'm doing it right now,
Speaker 2: and I could still see it. So then I switched
Speaker 2: eyes and I could still see it, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: what is going on? One thing I never did was
Speaker 2: close both eyes and see if I could still see it.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, what is going on and that's when
Speaker 2: I started to actually see through this. Okay, So it
Speaker 2: wasn't like there was just this bright colors and yay,
Speaker 2: that's the end of it. This is where things change.
Speaker 2: So I start to see theory of this, and I
Speaker 2: can see, I would say, clear as day, as if
Speaker 2: I was just looking across the street and seeing the
Speaker 2: house next door. And what I saw was the ground
Speaker 2: was strewn full of rubble. And this was okay, So
Speaker 2: it was ground was strewn full of rubble. I from
Speaker 2: where I was looking, it looked as if I was
Speaker 2: in some sort of industrial warehouse or a warehouse of sorts.
Speaker 2: I could see cinder block walls on my left hand side.
Speaker 2: And then, like I said, the ground was strewn with rubble.
Speaker 2: It looked like broken cinder blocks at best, if I
Speaker 2: could guess what it was. Though they weren't sharp edges.
Speaker 2: They were kind of rounded, slightly rounded, so you could
Speaker 2: tell that they have been broken for a while. Then
Speaker 2: on the right hand side and up, I can see
Speaker 2: the sky and I can see clouds whipping by. Now
Speaker 2: directly ahead of me, I can also see and this
Speaker 2: is much further in the distance. If I had to gauge,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm not good with feet and all, but I
Speaker 2: would say maybe like a one hundred to one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty feet in front of me are these large
Speaker 2: industrial sized fans, and they're each in a box unit
Speaker 2: with a cage front on it. The fans are slowly
Speaker 2: and just some things details I picked up the clan.
Speaker 2: The fans were slowly turning in a counterclockwise manner. They're
Speaker 2: just slowly just turning now. The and I know hink
Speaker 2: it was I'm not sure maybe but Nick or something
Speaker 2: who said, was it Sepia? Did you see in Sepia?
Speaker 2: And and I don't know if it was really Sepia.
Speaker 2: But every color was like this brown and rust color.
Speaker 2: The clouds were as well, like the clouds were whitish,
Speaker 2: but like where they were darker. It was this brown,
Speaker 2: rusty color. The ground was strewn with this as well,
Speaker 2: and the big box fans in the back were the same.
Speaker 2: The walls were like this. They were darker, of course,
Speaker 2: but that's what I saw. And on the right I
Speaker 2: actually never really said this much, but there was like
Speaker 2: the wall was blown out on the right hand side,
Speaker 2: so there was no wall on that side. I did
Speaker 2: see a ceiling as well, a partial ceiling. If you
Speaker 2: ask me what it was, I don't know if it
Speaker 2: was like tin or something else like that, but I
Speaker 2: don't know. Now I'm standing in line seeing all this
Speaker 2: at the deli, trying to order, trying to pretend that
Speaker 2: everything is cool and normal, though I can't see really
Speaker 2: the lady that I'm talking to. I can't even see
Speaker 2: this lady, and I'm like, okay, you know, and I'm
Speaker 2: ordering in Spanish. You know, I want bacon and I
Speaker 2: want cheese. And then I like walking back through the
Speaker 2: aisles and I can see out the periphery of my eyes,
Speaker 2: so I know that I'm in the middle of the
Speaker 2: eh and I go on, pay duo.
Speaker 1: Did you feel like you were going to have like
Speaker 1: a panic attack? Though, seeing like being in the middle
Speaker 1: of the store, that's gotta be horrible.
Speaker 2: Now, so I've had a panic There was a time,
Speaker 2: maybe like five six years ago, where I had a
Speaker 2: couple of panic attacks in a row, and I know
Speaker 2: what those are, and I would say that I felt
Speaker 2: very anxious and very terrified and scared, but I wasn't
Speaker 2: having a panic attack. It was nothing like that, though,
Speaker 2: But because that was intense, I'm not saying that this
Speaker 2: wasn't either. This was very intense, but it felt different.
Speaker 2: It was like it was intriguing at first. It was
Speaker 2: intriguing at first, but then it started become a little
Speaker 2: scary because this is not going away. And now my
Speaker 2: point of view within this where I was looking through
Speaker 2: never changed. Okay, so even if I was moving in
Speaker 2: this world, that world was like a fixed I had
Speaker 2: a fixed vision of what I was seeing. And again,
Speaker 2: like it was it was very realistic, like there was
Speaker 2: not like, okay, I think this is happening. Oh I
Speaker 2: see this in my mind's I know now, I wasn't
Speaker 2: paying attention to it all the time because I'm trying
Speaker 2: to pay attention to the periphery. So I'm not focusing
Speaker 2: on that. I'm trying to pay attention to the world
Speaker 2: that I'm in right now so I can actually interact,
Speaker 2: pay for my stuff, get in my car and drive,
Speaker 2: which was you know, yeah, I was about a block
Speaker 2: about a block away from home, so I'm like, I
Speaker 2: need I just need to get home. That was in
Speaker 2: my mind. I'm like, I need to get home, I
Speaker 2: need to get safe. And so I paid for my cheese,
Speaker 2: my bacon, walked to the car and I'm driving, and
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like, try even but you're trying to
Speaker 2: move your head to peer around, but you can't see it.
Speaker 2: So you just have to kind of like remain your
Speaker 2: head still and focus on the outsides of the outskirts
Speaker 2: of your vision to see what you're seeing. Now, it
Speaker 2: wasn't very busy and I didn't run into really any
Speaker 2: traffic or anything like that, so it was nothing to
Speaker 2: worry about. But yeah, and I parked the car, went
Speaker 2: inside and and I I told my wife, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I need to lay down. I think I I think
Speaker 2: I have a headache. I didn't know what I had.
Speaker 2: I think I had a headache, is what I said.
Speaker 2: And I went and I was going to take some advil,
Speaker 2: but I was like, no, no, I don't even want
Speaker 2: to do that. So I'd lay down and then I actually,
Speaker 2: I want this gone. I don't know what the hell
Speaker 2: I'm seeing, you know, please take this, take this away
Speaker 2: from me. And within a minute to a minute and
Speaker 2: a half was gone, So what what was happening was
Speaker 2: gone like that, So that was what I saw.
Speaker 1: And you didn't, just for the listener's sake, you weren't
Speaker 1: taking like any psychedelics or you weren't like trying to
Speaker 1: see something, you were just randomly on your way to
Speaker 1: the store and got hit with.
Speaker 2: This, right exactly, Yes, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: So what it sounds like is like we talked about
Speaker 1: it before, but almost kind of like a post apocalyptic
Speaker 1: weird you know, disheveled warehouse with these fans and like
Speaker 1: just kind of almost like a deserted place kind of.
Speaker 1: And so what do you take from seeing this, Like,
Speaker 1: what do you think you saw?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm no experts, I don't I'm just going on
Speaker 2: my gut feeling and what I believe. I believe it
Speaker 2: was seeing through. I don't want to say the veil
Speaker 2: because I think that's so cliche. I saw through to
Speaker 2: another world that exists alongside ours. I actually believe that
Speaker 2: this world is where the disembodied spirits live, they inhabit
Speaker 2: the When something I saw that was kind of similar
Speaker 2: was when Constantine kills you know, like kind of commits
Speaker 2: a bit of a suicide and he goes to Hell
Speaker 2: to rescue that woman. That landscape of Hell it was
Speaker 2: much more intense, but it was similar to what I
Speaker 2: saw as well, Like I feel that these spirits are
Speaker 2: inhabiting this wasteland, the suppost apocalyptic wasteland. And if those
Speaker 2: people who don't know what disembodied spirits are, these are
Speaker 2: the spirits of the dead Nephalo, because they are cursed
Speaker 2: to wander the land. They thirst, but can never quench
Speaker 2: that thirst. They hunger, but can never satisfy their hunger.
Speaker 2: And they will they they just looking and looking, and
Speaker 2: that's why we get and again this is all speculation.
Speaker 2: That is why we get possessions, because these spirits are
Speaker 2: looking to possess us so that they can satisfy their hunger,
Speaker 2: they can quench their thirst, they can experience the world
Speaker 2: as we know it. We can see this beautiful world.
Speaker 2: We look out the window, we see you know, trees
Speaker 2: and this blue sky. And it's to escape this wasteland
Speaker 2: that they are stuck in.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm. I know you had on Gary Wayne, and
Speaker 1: he's a wealth of information. I've learned so much from
Speaker 1: that guy. But he's he always said to me that
Speaker 1: every ancient culture throughout history has the flood story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and after after the flood, there was this place that
Speaker 1: you saw, this wasteland, this post apocalyptic, you know, horrible
Speaker 1: place that was created to send these souls to of
Speaker 1: the Nephilem, and they're constantly looking for someone to possess
Speaker 1: because they're trapped there unless they can find somebody. And
Speaker 1: what I also feel like is true is some of
Speaker 1: the I don't want to say like elite, but that's
Speaker 1: probably who it is. I feel like you don't have
Speaker 1: to be elite to conjure one of these spirits up,
Speaker 1: but they actually want to be possessed because they feel
Speaker 1: like they'll get some type of like power or magic
Speaker 1: or something by letting these beings like inhabit their bodies.
Speaker 1: And what I mean, what do you feel about that?
Speaker 2: Well, I haven't thought too much about it, but I
Speaker 2: do have some opinions on it though that I do
Speaker 2: believe that is possible. You know. They it's kind of
Speaker 2: like a symbia type of relationship where Okay, I'm going
Speaker 2: to allow you in and you give me this, and
Speaker 2: I give you this earthly world as well. You know,
Speaker 2: I give you access to this. I do believe that
Speaker 2: it's completely possible. And we've seen that how many times
Speaker 2: in movies, you know. I believe movies are not only
Speaker 2: like a soft disclosure, but they're also I believe some
Speaker 2: people believe it's all soft disclosure in Hollywood in these movies,
Speaker 2: but I and my friend Brad from the Awaken podcast,
Speaker 2: we are on a bit of an understanding as well
Speaker 2: that it's not just soft disclosure, but it's also trying
Speaker 2: to get people to imagine that this is a reality,
Speaker 2: that we actually manifest that reality then as well. But sorry,
Speaker 2: I digress back to your question. Is I totally believe
Speaker 2: that there are people that are and I don't like
Speaker 2: using the word deep state or anything like that because
Speaker 2: I feel that those as soon as we discover something,
Speaker 2: I feel that it is stolen and tainted from us
Speaker 2: just to just to muddy the waters so that they
Speaker 2: don't have you know, it loses, it loses, it's it's forced.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, okay, we'll call it deep state.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Everybody's calling it deep state, and they just do that
Speaker 2: out of a joke, you know, just to to make
Speaker 2: this of a joke, and then it makes us look
Speaker 2: more of like a joke as well. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: do believe that possessions happen as a partnership as well,
Speaker 2: and I and I feel that possessions happen a lot
Speaker 2: more than we give, you know, give credit to it.
Speaker 2: Let's say a Wigi boorg. You're you're working with a
Speaker 2: Wigi boarg. What is happening. Your hands are moving the
Speaker 2: plan chet right, so that means you're inviting these spirits
Speaker 2: into It's kind of like a very light type of possession.
Speaker 2: So they're moving your hands without you really knowing to
Speaker 2: to spell out these messages and to give you messages
Speaker 2: that that, of course are there's truth to them, but
Speaker 2: it's just a it just a gateway to something else. Completely.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of the Marvel movie Venom. It's like
Speaker 1: you'll get some type of exchange with this being that
Speaker 1: you let inhabit your body, and they always are like
Speaker 1: craving flesh and stuff in these movies. It makes you
Speaker 1: like blood thirsty. And I don't know, I just I've
Speaker 1: done a lot of research on the nepheline, and you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know how far into it you are, but
Speaker 1: I'm like, full on. I think that you know, they
Speaker 1: have created like biological vessels for these things to enter
Speaker 1: into to interact in the physical world. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that they are totally aware of their existence
Speaker 1: and that they've been trying to get them over here
Speaker 1: so they could even gain It's like they're all you know,
Speaker 1: not all powerful, but they have like all this wisdom
Speaker 1: and stuff that they want to like get from these beings.
Speaker 1: And I mean if you think they've been around since
Speaker 1: the beginning of time, so that's how they get you,
Speaker 1: Like there's they can tell you things. They could probably
Speaker 1: predict the future and all this stuff. But so I
Speaker 1: saw that you have an episode about like witchcraft and
Speaker 1: Wika and stuff like that. I mean, where do you
Speaker 1: draw the line between like evil and not Like you
Speaker 1: mentioned the Ouiji board, right, yeah, I think anytime you
Speaker 1: use one of those things, you could be contacting a
Speaker 1: neflam spirit, a demon, I mean, and they'll come across
Speaker 1: you like, oh, you know it's your dead granny or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I mean what I saw that episode and I
Speaker 1: was just curious, like what do you think about stuff
Speaker 1: like that?
Speaker 2: So I think it's a very difficult road. Like I
Speaker 2: I think, if we have the right intention, we're given
Speaker 2: a lot of tools. Okay, but it's what we do
Speaker 2: with those tools now. We shouldn't use divination divination such
Speaker 2: as like the Louisi board. I think is it's exactly I'm
Speaker 2: completely along with you on this one where I believe
Speaker 2: that yeah, it's your dead grandma. Well, of course they
Speaker 2: know everything. They've been watching, you know, hence called the watchers.
Speaker 2: I know that's the fallen ones, not the Nephileine, but
Speaker 2: that is what they do. They watch, they know. I'm
Speaker 2: sure they can read your mind and tell you everything
Speaker 2: that you have. These have questions for so they can
Speaker 2: try to convince you to get in there. But so
Speaker 2: sometimes I believe that you can call things differently, but
Speaker 2: we could still be worships being the same true God. Okay,
Speaker 2: so wicca and witches. There are some that I believe
Speaker 2: are evil. They are are black magic. There are other
Speaker 2: ones that are you know, they have these and I
Speaker 2: don't say good intentions, but they're actually doing good. They're actually,
Speaker 2: you know, create aiding tinctures.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And they're they're creating I don't want to say potions
Speaker 2: because that sounds they do.
Speaker 1: They they have stuff like I've been to the store,
Speaker 1: the store. I mean, they have these little shops and
Speaker 1: stuff you can go you get crystals. They have little
Speaker 1: things for you and.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you crystals like everyone's like, oh, be
Speaker 2: careful of crystals. Why that is of that that is
Speaker 2: a natural device. That is something that is natural device.
Speaker 2: I mean like it's a natural mineral, it's a natural product.
Speaker 1: That was creat to use that way though.
Speaker 2: Now yeah, but now if you use this to put
Speaker 2: pour your evil intentions into and then pass it off
Speaker 2: to someone, then then yeah, then then you're you have
Speaker 2: evil intentions and you are you are evil kind of thing.
Speaker 2: But like there is I have a friend in the
Speaker 2: next city over. She they call herself like the Green
Speaker 2: Witch or or the White Witch, and she and her
Speaker 2: daughter they create tintures and they're of the Christian you
Speaker 2: know that they're Christians. But they go out and they
Speaker 2: work the land. And I believe that's something that we
Speaker 2: have forgotten. We think that, you know, working with herbs
Speaker 2: and creating cures for ailments is something that's bad, but
Speaker 2: it isn't. That is working with you know, natural products.
Speaker 2: I think working with anything natural and trying to help
Speaker 2: to help someone else is good. But if you start
Speaker 2: worshiping you know, false idols per se, then I say
Speaker 2: you better watch where you're where you're treading.
Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent with you, and I think for
Speaker 1: the longest time I thought that all crystals must be
Speaker 1: evil because everything we know has been corrupted in a
Speaker 1: little bit of a way. So it's like they give
Speaker 1: you a tool and then they tell you how to
Speaker 1: use it, and then you know it welcomes something bad
Speaker 1: into your life because you're not using it right. But
Speaker 1: I'm coming around to the idea of thinking like everything
Speaker 1: could be a tool in your tool bag that you use,
Speaker 1: and it depends on what your intention is behind you
Speaker 1: using these tools. Except for a ogi boarder, I don't
Speaker 1: think that's good in any capacity.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they're just available at Toys r us no
Speaker 2: problems or you know. That's where I first got mine,
Speaker 2: was that Toys r US. I was there when I
Speaker 2: was like sixteen years old and with my sisters and
Speaker 2: we bought it and it ramped things up in our house,
Speaker 2: Like our house was already had some issues, and it
Speaker 2: went crazy. It went crazy after that.
Speaker 1: Well, are you familiar with Ed and Lorraine Warren, those
Speaker 1: paranormal investigator They were like the og paranormal investigators.
Speaker 2: Were they the ones who investigated investigated the amit Amititeville
Speaker 2: horror House?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, okay, so they did. There's they've made a
Speaker 1: bunch of movies about them, but like The Conjuring Annabelle,
Speaker 1: Amityville Horror, those are all based on real stories of Edin,
Speaker 1: Lorraine Warren and the Exorcist. Actually, so, there was a
Speaker 1: little boy somewhere I think it was Saint Louis but
Speaker 1: Eden Lorraine Warren went to their house and they said, well,
Speaker 1: he got a demon in him from playing with a
Speaker 1: Wigi board. And that story went so viral, and they
Speaker 1: had these two on the news and da da da
Speaker 1: da da, And they said the year that they made
Speaker 1: that story go viral, about this kid, Ouiji boards like
Speaker 1: sold off the shelves. So you almost have to wonder,
Speaker 1: like are things sensationalized to get people interested in certain things?
Speaker 1: I mean, they put it on the news, they put
Speaker 1: it on talk shows, they put it. Then they made
Speaker 1: the movie obviously, and you know they're selling them at
Speaker 1: toy stores. Even so, it just makes you it's a
Speaker 1: story about a possess, a demon possessed person, and all
Speaker 1: it did was make people want to go out and
Speaker 1: buy one and do it for themselves to find out,
Speaker 1: like it's literally like programming your mind.
Speaker 2: Oh it is, and people are inherently curious the name
Speaker 2: of the show. But that is the thing is sometimes
Speaker 2: if you're told something, you're like, I got to see
Speaker 2: it with my own eyes. And sometimes that they're like,
Speaker 2: oh this is or some people don't, they don't give
Speaker 2: enough credence. They're just like, yeah, this is hilarious, let's
Speaker 2: just do this, you know, and it's they don't know
Speaker 2: what they're actually playing with. They're playing with fire, and
Speaker 2: that's what's happening. It's like some guys will go and
Speaker 2: do it because they want to impress the girls. Look
Speaker 2: at me, look at me.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's that that testosterone egotist kind of thing, those young
Speaker 2: foolish people that go and do that, and it's it's
Speaker 2: something that should not be, you know, thought off lightly
Speaker 2: at all. And because you, like you said, like those
Speaker 2: tools those things can be well that specifically wi you wore,
Speaker 2: I think is is very nefarious. You're you're opening the
Speaker 2: door for something you can't see. It's like randomly calling someone,
Speaker 2: but calling someone in a prison actually and hoping you
Speaker 2: get someone who is who is kind and nice. Yeah, good,
Speaker 2: good luck with that. I don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: You said something earlier and I wanted to respond to it.
Speaker 2: So you said that with the nephileine, like they're making
Speaker 2: these empty kind of things for the nephiline and have it.
Speaker 2: I want to take it one step further. Something that
Speaker 2: I believe is the hybrid hybridization of aliens and humans.
Speaker 2: I believe is that exactly that is the process that's happening.
Speaker 2: So they hybridize these humans. So but they're born soulless, okay,
Speaker 2: and that is where they put and this is this
Speaker 2: is just speculation, but for I'm hearing so many stories
Speaker 2: that I've had on my show, I'm coming up with
Speaker 2: this theory that that's what they're doing. They're creating these
Speaker 2: empty shells so that they could be the Nephelin. Disembodied
Speaker 2: spirits can re enter the world. But that's not it
Speaker 2: doesn't end. It doesn't end there. But wait, there's more.
Speaker 2: Is that I believe that they are trying to get
Speaker 2: back into heaven like it is a secret unlock, back
Speaker 2: door entrance to try to get back in because now
Speaker 2: we're embodying a human body. Now perhaps I have a
Speaker 2: second chance of getting in, and could that start a
Speaker 2: secondary you know, war in the heavens. I don't know.
Speaker 2: This is just a just a thought that I've been
Speaker 2: having that that I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. You know what I thought, Well, it
Speaker 1: could go with your theory. Actually, okay, that the grays
Speaker 1: that people see are these empty biological vessels for the
Speaker 1: spirits of these neflam to inhabit. But they could have
Speaker 1: been like a prototype for what you're talking about, because
Speaker 1: now they want to get them to be able to
Speaker 1: interact in the world. Right, you can't just send a
Speaker 1: gray to the White House, but you can if it's
Speaker 1: a human body, Yes, and it's like one of these
Speaker 1: spirits coming into it.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I agree with you with the grace. They
Speaker 2: are these suits of sorts, you know, biological suits that
Speaker 2: can be you know, you can enter into these suits
Speaker 2: and function and control it and possibly even with consciousness
Speaker 2: as well. So if you know, I could remotely like VR,
Speaker 2: put on a VR headset and now I'm fully integrated
Speaker 2: with this with a gray, so I don't even have
Speaker 2: to be there to be able to interact and to
Speaker 2: do this. But yeah, I agree. And then if they're
Speaker 2: not because usually a lot of times the smaller grays
Speaker 2: are kind of more robotic, and there's like taller grades actually,
Speaker 2: and those ones have more of a personality to them
Speaker 2: from what I've heard from experiences. So perhaps the taller
Speaker 2: ones are being operated by another being. I don't know.
Speaker 1: So the people that you've talked to have they had
Speaker 1: like overwhelmingly negative experiences, I would imagine.
Speaker 2: I would say ninety percent of them do. Even some
Speaker 2: of them that have negative experiences, though some of them
Speaker 2: will like kind of think it's a good experience in
Speaker 2: a way, but yeah, ninety percent of them have had
Speaker 2: negative experiences with these. And let me tell you that
Speaker 2: if you are being abducted, that means you are being
Speaker 2: taken against your will. That is something evil. I don't
Speaker 2: care who you are or what you believe they are.
Speaker 2: That is like, that is evil. Now, with that being said,
Speaker 2: my belief of the aliens is is that they are
Speaker 2: connected into this. All they are connected to possibly the
Speaker 2: fallen you know, the fallen angels or the Watchers or
Speaker 2: the Nephilme of sorts. But if there is there always
Speaker 2: has to be a balance. So there's good and there
Speaker 2: has to be like if there's evil, there has to
Speaker 2: be good. So I do believe that there are good
Speaker 2: beings out there. You know, the angels heavenly angels, but
Speaker 2: they're under rules that they're not supposed to interact with us.
Speaker 2: That is not what they're supposed to do, you know.
Speaker 2: They it's kind of like what is that the Star Trek?
Speaker 2: You know, the prime directive is to not interfere with
Speaker 2: a with a civilization. I believe that is exactly kind
Speaker 2: of what they do as well. They they will like
Speaker 2: not interfere. They're not going to abduct you. They will
Speaker 2: not interfere, but sometimes they do. Sometimes they do not
Speaker 2: abduct you, but sometimes they they help a situation.
Speaker 1: Or send you messages or well, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: like these other guys, not heavenly angels, but like these
Speaker 1: fallen ones. They're playing by their own rules. You know.
Speaker 1: That's where you get like abductions and crazy stuff like
Speaker 1: experimentation and like doing all this because they have no
Speaker 1: one to answer to that they are playing by their
Speaker 1: own rules. And you know, I would I've always felt
Speaker 1: that way about abduction because it's like you said, sometimes
Speaker 1: people will say, well, you know, I'm glad I had
Speaker 1: the experience or like whatever, and they try to find
Speaker 1: like a silver lining. But would they say that if
Speaker 1: if some random guy broke into their house in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night and took their kid for a
Speaker 1: couple hours and brought them back. It's like, oh, but
Speaker 1: let's look at the silver lining. Did at least they
Speaker 1: didn't rape them, Like what are you talking about? Like
Speaker 1: this was an abduction? Like this is bad, this is
Speaker 1: not okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree totally. And I never actually thought of
Speaker 2: wording it like that or bringing that analogy in. But
Speaker 2: that's a great analogy. It's perfect. It's perfect, you know,
Speaker 2: it's just not okay. Now you can take that experience,
Speaker 2: even though it was negative, and you can say that
Speaker 2: helped shape my life and it was. I I'm as
Speaker 2: bad as an experience. It wasn't glad I had it
Speaker 2: because now I am who I am today. Now I
Speaker 2: know everything that I know because of what happened, and
Speaker 2: now i'm, you know, fighting for the truth or doing
Speaker 2: something like that. Okay, that works, but being abducted and
Speaker 2: being experimented on sometimes it's not a good thing. It's
Speaker 2: not a good thing at all.
Speaker 1: Do you think that they're harvesting Obviously they're doing something,
Speaker 1: so in my opinion, they've got to be like harvesting
Speaker 1: DNA and stuff, because how could you then create a
Speaker 1: human vessel without getting something from us, you know, because
Speaker 1: we have divine DNA, you know, it's from God. We
Speaker 1: have the ga GI we have you know, the guy
Speaker 1: who discovered the double helix shape of human DNA, Francis Crick,
Speaker 1: He was like, I don't know where DNA comes from, honestly,
Speaker 1: because there's no explanation for it whatsoever. And he thought
Speaker 1: that we were aliens because he said, there's got to
Speaker 1: be something else going on here, because there's no reason
Speaker 1: whatsoever for us to have this type of DNA. And
Speaker 1: so I think that they're trying to siphon that off,
Speaker 1: create these these empty vessels, and they're using it to
Speaker 1: maybe it's like you said, to grow babies or something,
Speaker 1: so they can that that.
Speaker 2: Is exactly what is happening. Now. I've talked to two
Speaker 2: people who have been adopted abducted specifically for that purpose.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if you ever talked to Karen Wilkinson,
Speaker 2: she's written the book Stolen Seed, Evil Harvest. I believe
Speaker 2: you guys have talked Vicky Vicky joy Anderson recently. So
Speaker 2: Vicky works with Karen like like this, Uh, they're really
Speaker 2: good friends. And so Karen has written this book because
Speaker 2: she's she was a lifelong abductee and she was abducted
Speaker 2: and impregnated multiple times and then they took it out.
Speaker 2: There's she even has like medical proof that she was
Speaker 2: pregnant and then there was no pregnancy anymore. And this
Speaker 2: was approximately I think she said it was like after
Speaker 2: two It was very a short time, like two months,
Speaker 2: might be even less than that. And then they they
Speaker 2: removed the embryo and uh, yeah, so this has happened.
Speaker 2: And she says that she actually met her high bred children.
Speaker 2: I think it was two of them, yes, And and
Speaker 2: I know it sounds it sounds crazy to some people.
Speaker 1: They might be like, what that that's that's crazy.
Speaker 2: And then I interviewed another person, raf Rafael Skits Rafael
Speaker 2: the Skits Lugo. He is he was a rapper and
Speaker 2: after he's had these experiences, he used them to actually
Speaker 2: change it. Now he does like this motivational hip hop
Speaker 2: almost or this motivational rapp it's really good. But he
Speaker 2: has talked about being abducted multiple times and that he
Speaker 2: at one time he was brought into like this nursery
Speaker 2: and given this baby that looked humanish, but not so.
Speaker 2: He says. The eyes were like black and a little
Speaker 2: bit larger as well. And the mental image he was
Speaker 2: given to by the by like the caretaker, like the babysitter,
Speaker 2: I don't want to say a babysitter, but like the
Speaker 2: caretaker of these of these children, was like this was yours,
Speaker 2: this was yours. And he said this and Karen also
Speaker 2: said this as well, is that they needed they need
Speaker 2: the human touch, so they need to be held for
Speaker 2: just a little bit to given this humanity.
Speaker 1: Yes, terrifying, Yes, yes, that is terrifying.
Speaker 2: M hm and so. And Karen has been adducted. She
Speaker 2: doesn't believe she was taken off world. She believes she
Speaker 2: was taken to an underground facility. Oh that makes sense, yep, exactly.
Speaker 2: Raphael has been adducted into the ship. He talked about
Speaker 2: being in a large and I don't think it was
Speaker 2: on our ship. He went somewhere else could have been
Speaker 2: underground as well. He was in a large auditorium of
Speaker 2: sorts which was filled with hundreds and hundreds of other
Speaker 2: people who were like him, who were being abducted, and
Speaker 2: they were harvesting their their DNA from Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like, how do you tell people you've
Speaker 1: had this experience that?
Speaker 2: I agree? And that's where that's kind of where I
Speaker 2: bring my show in. One of the things is like
Speaker 2: I want to give them a platform to know that Listen,
Speaker 2: I don't think you're crazy. I think these things are happening.
Speaker 2: And by you getting your word out, it might make
Speaker 2: you feel a little better to get it off your chest,
Speaker 2: but you're also empowering other people who've had this experience
Speaker 2: to know that I'm not alone.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine, like what if it was you, Like,
Speaker 1: what would you do? How do you even tell your family?
Speaker 2: You can't?
Speaker 1: You can't, Like, that's crazy. I'm not saying they're crazy,
Speaker 1: but that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, and that's what I say, Like I
Speaker 2: tell them, I said, listen, I'm going to ask you
Speaker 2: questions about the experience. I'm not going to question that
Speaker 2: you had the experience because these things are happening and
Speaker 2: it is. It is crazy. It is absolutely crazy. And
Speaker 2: it's kind of like it's not like one a person
Speaker 2: is abducted once. I've been finding that it's kind of
Speaker 2: if you're chosen almost it's kind of like multiple abductions.
Speaker 2: And Karen was able to stop it bye by bringing
Speaker 2: in like, you know, calling out Jesus Christ, you know,
Speaker 2: to leave me alone and just calling it. So that
Speaker 2: tells you is that if you're using the name of Christ,
Speaker 2: you know, Jesus, and it's stopping it, that means they're
Speaker 2: of this world, they're of this creation because that has
Speaker 2: power over them.
Speaker 1: Yep, because there's power in the name. And obviously if
Speaker 1: it didn't mean anything, they would just keep doing it.
Speaker 1: But you know what sets is crazy is I've had
Speaker 1: this theory for the longest time that they're doing like
Speaker 1: this hybridization with animals too, because it does say and
Speaker 1: I've brought this up before, like old Testament style, that
Speaker 1: they were having sex with animals and humans alike and
Speaker 1: creating these giant beings and what have you. But if
Speaker 1: they were having sex with like humans and animals alike,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and I'm super curious and see what
Speaker 1: you think. But this is where we get a lot
Speaker 1: of the cryptid stuff from. So I mean, just your
Speaker 1: opinion on that.
Speaker 2: I believe that plays a role in these cryptids for sure,
Speaker 2: you know, like Chaimera's and whatnot. I definitely believe it's sirens,
Speaker 2: which are Mermaids, which is funny. I bring that up
Speaker 2: because I was just listening to an episode today about
Speaker 2: the siren of the Starbucks cup there right right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a whole other topic. But that's kind of like
Speaker 2: way a new way to worship old gods. And you know,
Speaker 2: it's like we don't go to temple, like Starbucks is
Speaker 2: a temple and you're you're purchasing these you're you're you're
Speaker 2: donating money for this. But okay, that's a whole that's
Speaker 2: a topic.
Speaker 1: I've talked about it too, because it's like that double
Speaker 1: tailed serpent teams. Yeah, so like do you think and
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've interviewed people who have had experiences, but
Speaker 1: these cryptid beings are inner dimensional probably in nature, and
Speaker 1: they're they have magic like their parents probably had magic, uh,
Speaker 1: being these fallen ones and they are evil in nature
Speaker 1: because they are they're fallen creatures. But I have only
Speaker 1: ever heard people talk about like dog men and Mothman,
Speaker 1: and it's like and even Bigfoot in some instances. It's
Speaker 1: like not usually a positive experience, like these things are
Speaker 1: crazed there they'll get you if you let them. They
Speaker 1: they like Mothman's like this harbinger of doom and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's Mothman is an interesting one and I is
Speaker 2: he a harbinger of doom or is he a like
Speaker 2: messenger to warn people of the upcoming? But it's all
Speaker 2: in riddles. So everything that kind of happened in around,
Speaker 2: like the silver Birds collapse, was kind of all in riddles.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of riddles. Riddles. Yes, that's what
Speaker 2: I said. Okay, Sorry, I was like, did I say
Speaker 2: the word wrong? Though, But there's a lot of riddles
Speaker 2: around it trying to decipher it, and at the end,
Speaker 2: after everything happened, that's when everybody was able to piece
Speaker 2: it all together. So it's kind of like, I guess
Speaker 2: if he was there for good, he would have really
Speaker 2: warned the people and told them that this was happening.
Speaker 2: But instead, you know, they received dreams and premonitions of
Speaker 2: what happened. But back to like dog Man, Yeah, dog Man,
Speaker 2: I've never heard of a positive experience, not once with
Speaker 2: a dog Man. Now Bigfoot, I've heard some positive experiences,
Speaker 2: and then I've heard people gifting Bigfoot, like leaving peanut
Speaker 2: butter out and food out, and I'm like, what do
Speaker 2: you do? And you're messing with something that you shouldn't
Speaker 2: be messing with. I think of the wigil board as well,
Speaker 2: like like what are you doing? Like stay away from that.
Speaker 2: There was a family that was doing that and then
Speaker 2: these then they stopped, and these bigfoot started getting aggressive
Speaker 2: and they actually called in some some locals to help
Speaker 2: them with it. And the bigfoot entities then followed these
Speaker 2: local this local home, and he had to deal with
Speaker 2: them as well. It was it was ridiculous. Now, now
Speaker 2: this is something that's kind of I'm going to go
Speaker 2: into a theory a bit, a bit about bigfoot, if
Speaker 2: that's all right. So bigfoot is and and this ties
Speaker 2: into like like vampires as well. Okay, what is the
Speaker 2: what is the what is the thing about vampires? They
Speaker 2: can't come into your home unless you invite them. And
Speaker 2: I'm not saying i've personally, I've never heard of a
Speaker 2: story of a bigfoot ever entering a house. I heard
Speaker 2: them beating the crap out of the house, and but
Speaker 2: never break in a window. They just have to like
Speaker 2: tap on a win so they can break a window,
Speaker 2: but it's never happened. I've never heard and a dog
Speaker 2: man entering a house as well, So I think there
Speaker 2: is something about the threshold of your home that protects you.
Speaker 2: Now that being said, I also think that we need
Speaker 2: to watch out for welcome mets on on your front porch.
Speaker 2: If you put a welcome mat, that's a general invitation
Speaker 2: to come on in. So you got to watch out
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 1: But back then that's a good point.
Speaker 2: That's something. Yeah, it's like, Okay, don't have a welcome
Speaker 2: you can put an unwelcome mat out front, and then.
Speaker 1: You'll say you, Matt, exactly.
Speaker 2: Get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1: Yes, sactly you.
Speaker 2: But so my theory is is that these entities have
Speaker 2: to abide by some laws, you know. And I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that they're abiding abiding by any like physics or
Speaker 2: anything like that, because they're able to walk through or
Speaker 2: they're able to walk through portals and disappear and go
Speaker 2: into black mysts and whatnot. But there's certain things that
Speaker 2: they just cannot seem to break. Now, a lot of
Speaker 2: Native folklore talks about the hairy Man, okay, and I
Speaker 2: believe that they interacted quite a lot than we are
Speaker 2: led to believe, to the point that traditions were intertwined.
Speaker 2: Because one thing that the Bigfoot will do is they
Speaker 2: will slap a house. This is one thing they do
Speaker 2: is they will slap the house. This is I've heard
Speaker 2: this multiple times. So again I'm speculating. And I've talked
Speaker 2: with a Native, a Native elder on this one as well,
Speaker 2: and he's like that's great. Well, he's like saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: that makes sense. Is that it's very similar to something
Speaker 2: called counting coup. Okay, So I don't know if you
Speaker 2: if you know what the principle of counting coup is.
Speaker 2: Counting coup is a Native type of tradition that a
Speaker 2: warrior would do. It would just show how brave he
Speaker 2: without killing someone or doing something like that. He would
Speaker 2: some of them would invade an enemies camp, maybe at night,
Speaker 2: and take something or do something to show that he
Speaker 2: was the better warrior. Okay, So my theory is that
Speaker 2: the Bigfoot have taken on that sort of style, that tradition.
Speaker 2: Slapping of the houses is a form of counting coup.
Speaker 2: But I totally digress from your first initial statement. I
Speaker 2: believe that these are hybridizations. They are in stual or
Speaker 2: like bestiality type of things. But they said that they
Speaker 2: would they experimented on animals. I totally believe that, and
Speaker 2: this has been around for so much longer, Like a
Speaker 2: lot of people are like, oh, this dog man thing
Speaker 2: is just is just coming up. This is new. I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: it's not. Go look at a Nubis. Anubis was a
Speaker 2: dog headed god, right, and then we go to I know,
Speaker 2: Saint Christopher is a debatable but many people believe and
Speaker 2: it could be due to a translation, but many people
Speaker 2: believe that Saint Christopher was a dog headed person. Now
Speaker 2: there was also whereas there's an I I don't remember
Speaker 2: the name, but in the Mayan and Aztecs there is
Speaker 2: a dog headed god as well, so there was this
Speaker 2: dog they have they.
Speaker 1: Have a bat headed one, yes too.
Speaker 2: Oh uh yeah. So there was a lot of people
Speaker 2: believing that Batman came from this this like they're like, look.
Speaker 1: At this is this it was bas tech, I think.
Speaker 2: Yes, but it's not. This was a an artist who
Speaker 2: made this depiction. And then someone made this post go
Speaker 2: viral saying this was a god, a batman type of god,
Speaker 2: which it wasn't.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't Jared leto Bro.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's it's it's always good to know to investigate
Speaker 2: these kinds of things. Because there's so many, so many
Speaker 2: things out there, and like there's so many syops out
Speaker 2: there to try to credit everything as well they want you.
Speaker 2: But if there's syops, you know you're on the right trail.
Speaker 2: This is this is the thing. If they're trying to
Speaker 2: discredit it and you know, change the narrative or add
Speaker 2: more narratives into it, that's usually what they'll do is
Speaker 2: they'll throw in you know, it could be eighty percent
Speaker 2: real and twenty percent syops. But as soon as you
Speaker 2: are able to discredit a syop, then the rest just
Speaker 2: falls apart. So if you kind of lump this all together,
Speaker 2: let's say nine to eleven, and you say, oh, there
Speaker 2: was an actual planes, and then there's so many videos,
Speaker 2: even private videos that show these planes like, well, no,
Speaker 2: it actually was a plane that hit the trade center Pentagon.
Speaker 2: It's different story, but correct. But I don't want to
Speaker 2: go too far into nine eleven because that's a whole
Speaker 2: other bag of worms. I'm with you though, But that's
Speaker 2: the thing is that they can like if everybody's believing
Speaker 2: that this one story, well then they can throw everything
Speaker 2: else out because oh no, it's all crap because.
Speaker 1: You believe this, Yeah, the one bad apple spoiling the.
Speaker 2: Whole exactly thing exactly, And that's what I believe. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna that's what I believe. With so many
Speaker 2: of movements and and uh and groups, so many movements
Speaker 2: and groups were all started with good intentions, but then
Speaker 2: they were perverted and taken over and just driven into
Speaker 2: the ground into like this depravity, you know, into this craziness,
Speaker 2: and all these movements have been like because what's the
Speaker 2: best way, what's the best way to take care of
Speaker 2: a movement and to get rid of it is not
Speaker 2: to fight it. It's just to corrupt it from the
Speaker 2: inside and make it morally corrupt. And what's even crazier,
Speaker 2: people still follow it. There's this people still follow this
Speaker 2: craziness they have.
Speaker 1: They make it almost like disgustingly dramatic in ways to
Speaker 1: wear like a normal and would be like what the
Speaker 1: fuck is this? Yes, like I could have gotten on board,
Speaker 1: but now it's like the circus.
Speaker 2: And that's like with these cults, like when we're talking
Speaker 2: about Magdalena Solis. You know, when when they first started
Speaker 2: the cult, it was like just drugs and sex, and
Speaker 2: then it went into this crazy deprevity and people just
Speaker 2: went along with it instead of like having this moral
Speaker 2: compass of being able to stand back and say no.
Speaker 2: And and that's the biggest issue with like these political parties.
Speaker 2: Like I I can pick the political party that I
Speaker 2: can that I support, I can still stand back and
Speaker 2: say that's crap, Like I'm not going to follow them blindly.
Speaker 2: And that's that's important that we have to stop following
Speaker 2: people blindly. But sorry, like, but you have.
Speaker 1: To use your discernment on everything.
Speaker 2: And it's okay to say that's crap, you know, like
Speaker 2: I I don't that's the person I support, but that
Speaker 2: is crap. I don't support that.
Speaker 1: It's so so okay. This is going to be a
Speaker 1: multi layer question. So what would you say to the
Speaker 1: people who have recently I know because for somehow I've
Speaker 1: gotten grouped in with them. They say that people who
Speaker 1: talk about the nephlem and the follen ones that we're
Speaker 1: all pushing this propaganda train of like false narrative weirdness,
Speaker 1: and that anybody who gets behind the Nephelene thing, it's
Speaker 1: like the next we're just you know, pushing like the
Speaker 1: UFO thing when it was super pop crop circles and
Speaker 1: all that and everybody was all UFO crazy and that
Speaker 1: was the thing. Now it's Nepheline. Now we're all pushing
Speaker 1: this and I've been called all kinds of names for it,
Speaker 1: like I can't believe you're going along with this Nephelin
Speaker 1: propaganda stuff, and like I feel like if you put
Speaker 1: enough time into it, it speaks for itself. I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, where are you on that?
Speaker 2: So I believe that we do take it a step
Speaker 2: further because we're speculating. But if we go back to
Speaker 2: Genesis six, one of the oldest books in history. That
Speaker 2: because the Bible, okay, and everybody's like, oh, the Bible,
Speaker 2: that's a religious book. No, it's a historical book. Okay,
Speaker 2: Let's go back to history, and it's talked about for
Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of years of the Nepheline and the
Speaker 2: fallen angels. So we can agree that that is that happened.
Speaker 2: That is the truth there. Now, some of the things
Speaker 2: that I was talking about, and I've said that it's
Speaker 2: just speculating, you know, I'm speculating that this is what
Speaker 2: this is. I truly don't know. There's no experts on anything,
Speaker 2: but but that's what we can do right now is
Speaker 2: just take it step by step and be careful with
Speaker 2: what we're doing and not. We can't say everything is
Speaker 2: a every red circle is a is a Nephilim. And
Speaker 2: if you know what I mean by that, that is
Speaker 2: like people who take these pictures in Paradalia and their
Speaker 2: circle everything. Oh I saw big foot, big foot, back
Speaker 2: foot bigfoot. No, but but it's still out there. We
Speaker 2: still need to be careful with what we're doing. We
Speaker 2: have to take our steps forward. And these are my beliefs.
Speaker 2: But I'm not saying that everybody has to believe it.
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm I'm open to criticism of what I
Speaker 2: believe and discussion. But we cannot deny that there are abductions,
Speaker 2: There are evil people out there. There are history books
Speaker 2: about the Nephiline, the watchers, the flood everything.
Speaker 1: So the existence of giants in every culture.
Speaker 2: Yes, the existence of giants in every culture is there.
Speaker 1: And not just Christian you know, not just in the Bible,
Speaker 1: every single Mexico, yes, what was it? Egypt and go
Speaker 1: back like tape and all.
Speaker 2: These in North America and the natives talk about the
Speaker 2: the the long red haired giants as well.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 2: This this happens everywhere. But one of the things is
Speaker 2: to pull knowledge or wisdom out of the population, all
Speaker 2: you need is one generation. Okay, So if you change
Speaker 2: the narrative one generation later, you're going to have them
Speaker 2: believing the new narrative, and then everybody else they're going
Speaker 2: to be calling, oh, you guys are are liars, you're this,
Speaker 2: you're that, you know, and but everybody else before it
Speaker 2: was like, no, this is the way it was. But
Speaker 2: just that one generation, there's that gap. There's that gap,
Speaker 2: and once you start getting it, then it starts a
Speaker 2: snowball and that becomes the new truth. Is it the truth? No,
Speaker 2: it's not, but that is what we're told. That's what's
Speaker 2: written down in our new books.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: The narrative just is so easy to change. That is
Speaker 2: one thing that I've heard about speaking of that, that's
Speaker 2: kind of like what I heard about the Mandela effect.
Speaker 2: The Mandela effect is truly happening, but it's not as
Speaker 2: crazy as we think it is. It's the one theory
Speaker 2: I've heard is that it's corporations and government trying to
Speaker 2: see how easy it is to manipulate the population to
Speaker 2: believe that something didn't happen even though it did.
Speaker 1: So, wow, that is fucked.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is, it completely is.
Speaker 1: So. So then I have to ask you your thoughts
Speaker 1: on this new discovery thing under the pyramids and all
Speaker 1: this nonsense, like they've discovered these secrets. And it almost
Speaker 1: made me think of Edgar Casey for a minute, because
Speaker 1: he had all these visions of stuff hidden under the
Speaker 1: sphinx and hidden under the the pyramids and all that.
Speaker 2: He had a like you got it. Well, this is different,
Speaker 2: this is different. But this is based on his reading
Speaker 2: some of his readings. Yeah, this is about Atlantis. Visions
Speaker 2: of Atlantis. Michael Laflemm wrote that book. It was it's
Speaker 2: a fantastic book. But it has all to do with educacy,
Speaker 2: predicting that, oh, like the Chamber of Knowledge I can't remember,
Speaker 2: would be underneath the paw of the sphinx right right now? Okay,
Speaker 2: So if we thinking engineering style, okay, with these new
Speaker 2: discoveries underneath the pyramids, I think it's and of course
Speaker 2: there has to be something underneath the periods. Think about
Speaker 2: the weight of the pyramids. Okay, each block is minimum
Speaker 2: one ton, right, so how much weight is sitting on there. Now,
Speaker 2: if you build a building a sky rise, do you
Speaker 2: just build it right on the ground or do you
Speaker 2: actually have to build a foundation. You need to build
Speaker 2: a huge foundation to support that. So I don't know
Speaker 2: exactly what those those tunnels are and everything, but it
Speaker 2: very much could be some sort of engineering support system.
Speaker 2: Can it be something else more? Yeah, of course it
Speaker 2: can be. But if we want to look at it
Speaker 2: scientifically and mathematically, we need to distribute that weight. We
Speaker 2: need something to hold it up so it's not going
Speaker 2: to sink into the ground. Okay, So that's what I believe,
Speaker 2: at least what it can be, But it can definitely
Speaker 2: be something more.
Speaker 1: Well, do you really believe they're just discovering it now? Okay, no,
Speaker 1: me either. If it's been there, it's been there and
Speaker 1: they've known about it.
Speaker 2: Well, what's his name? And I keep forgetting his name,
Speaker 2: but like the Egyptian curator, like the guy who's involved
Speaker 2: of all the antiquities, that guy is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know his name, but I know who
Speaker 1: you're talking.
Speaker 2: Yes, that guy is an absolute joke, you know there is.
Speaker 2: And here's a question. How many people do you think
Speaker 2: still believe that the Pyramids were built as tombs.
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say, Right, they're supposed
Speaker 1: to be burial chambers, but they got all this going on.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: Like, we have the Valley of the Kings where all
Speaker 2: the kings are damned near buried. Okay, I believe there
Speaker 2: was one pyramid where they found Apacus inside. You know,
Speaker 2: they found one of the Kings inside one of the pyramids.
Speaker 2: Every other one is buried in the Valley of the Kings.
Speaker 2: And we're still like you talk to people, they're still like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: the pyramids, that's where they that's the tombs. You know. No,
Speaker 2: they're not.
Speaker 1: They're definitely not.
Speaker 2: No. I like, I can't tell you what they are,
Speaker 2: but I can tell you that they're not a frickin' tomb,
Speaker 2: because that is not it. There's so much more to them.
Speaker 1: And even when they came out with this new discovery,
Speaker 1: right and they're talking about these cylinders that are there,
Speaker 1: and they say that they're made from the same limestone
Speaker 1: or whatever that the pyramid is made out of that
Speaker 1: was quarried like hundreds of miles away, brought there tons
Speaker 1: of it by what carrier pigeons or something like that,
Speaker 1: and then they want you not to believe your own eyes.
Speaker 1: You know, they don't want you to ask yourself, well,
Speaker 1: who could move big stones like that? Oh, I don't
Speaker 1: know giant people. I don't know people who have advanced technology.
Speaker 1: I don't know people. It's like you have to literally
Speaker 1: ask yourself and then you're looking at them. And then
Speaker 1: if you just go based on your discernment and looking
Speaker 1: at them, you would know they're like big some kind
Speaker 1: of big energy conductors or something crazy like that. They
Speaker 1: got all these little they they're like, I forget what
Speaker 1: they call them on the inside of the pyramid, but
Speaker 1: they're like little chambers they're calling them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're like sounding chambers as well.
Speaker 2: They're supposed to have frequencies in them.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, they're like resonators.
Speaker 2: Sorry resonator.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's the word I was looking for. But anyways,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, that's what it was. It was a
Speaker 1: big tomb and they used a couple hundred slaves, whips
Speaker 1: and chains and they toted these these massive five ton
Speaker 1: stones into place. And it's just they've there's been such
Speaker 1: an effort to get us to not believe our own
Speaker 1: eyes on a lot of this stuff and it's just
Speaker 1: it's I'm so glad that you have that, Edgar Casey,
Speaker 1: but because I wasn't sure if you know who I
Speaker 1: was talking about.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, sleeping the sleeping prophet.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, so what do you think then about I
Speaker 1: know we we talked about CRYPTI is a little bit.
Speaker 1: Something else that falls in the nepheleem lore is fairies
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. What is your what are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: I that is one area that I did interview Monica Rawlins,
Speaker 2: who had some good information on fairies, but I haven't
Speaker 2: done a deep of a dive into into fairies though
Speaker 2: I believe it's it's all the same now, like they're
Speaker 2: little people. They're little folk right dwin Days as some
Speaker 2: people will call them as well. I think they're They're
Speaker 2: all connected. It doesn't matter where in the world you are,
Speaker 2: they're all these these little folk now here where I live.
Speaker 2: The little folk that they have is called alushes. But
Speaker 2: there is a theory about how an alosh is created.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like a what's the word I'm looking
Speaker 2: for a homunculus. So an alush is kind of like
Speaker 2: a homunculus. Now, I know I'm getting away from your
Speaker 2: from fairies. I don't have enough information on fairies to
Speaker 2: go too deep, but there I will tell you about.
Speaker 1: Ahead spiritually created.
Speaker 2: Then the alushes are kind of spiritually created, but they're
Speaker 2: also it's kind of like a golam. Think of a golam.
Speaker 2: So they would use corn meal and they would use
Speaker 2: clay and dirt from the area that you're in. You
Speaker 2: would create this and you would bloodlet on it as well,
Speaker 2: and for nine days you would pray to it, and
Speaker 2: on the ninth day, this creature, this thing will come
Speaker 2: alive and protect your land, protect your place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a tiny Pinocchio story.
Speaker 2: Kind of kind of yes, didn't have those strings. And
Speaker 2: but once you died, this this creature, this thing will
Speaker 2: to go on protecting the land. So if new people
Speaker 2: come to take over the land, it will start to
Speaker 2: act out and try to like throw rocks at you
Speaker 2: and and things like that to get you to leave.
Speaker 2: It will be mischievous, so you need to you need
Speaker 2: to kind of.
Speaker 1: Like appease them, appease them or.
Speaker 2: Or or put out dominance, you know, like be dominant,
Speaker 2: like I am now the new owner. I am now
Speaker 2: the new proprietor of this and you can either serve
Speaker 2: me or you can leave. And that is that is
Speaker 2: the gist of the aluses. Now. I know a lot
Speaker 2: of people have never heard that phrase before. I never
Speaker 2: did until I moved here. And for those who don't know,
Speaker 2: I live in Mexico in the Yucatan Peninsula. But you
Speaker 2: can't throw a rock without hitting someone who has their
Speaker 2: own le'ld say, almost their own personal allus story, or
Speaker 2: at least know someone who does who's had one.
Speaker 1: So do you believe that the I mean if you
Speaker 1: you can't for me, and I'm not talking about you,
Speaker 1: but for me, I've always said, you can't be a
Speaker 1: hypocrite about these things. If you believe in Bigfoot, Mofman
Speaker 1: and dog Man, and you've had a paranormal experience, and
Speaker 1: you know that you believe in the nepheline, there's always
Speaker 1: like this little fine line where it's like, but fairies
Speaker 1: don't exist. I put it, where are you on it?
Speaker 1: I believe they have a tiny little.
Speaker 2: I believe all our lore and our legends and our history.
Speaker 2: I think it all existed, just because I haven't looked
Speaker 2: into it. And I you know, like I am skeptical
Speaker 2: on many things. It doesn't sound like I am because
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I believe that. I believe that, but
Speaker 2: it's I believe that they exist. Have I experienced anything
Speaker 2: to do with the fairy or the fae? No, I
Speaker 2: have not. But yeah, who am I to say that
Speaker 2: doesn't exist when I've I've seen some other things that
Speaker 2: that shouldn't exist, but I've seen it myself. So I
Speaker 2: do believe that there is a lot of things out
Speaker 2: there that we don't know or we just can't see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on that. I mean, I've had
Speaker 1: paranormal experiences myself. It sounds like you played with the
Speaker 1: Wiji board one time and you started conjuring some stuff
Speaker 1: up in your house. But I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: seen a ghost or anything, but I think that stuff
Speaker 1: is just as real as anything else. What did you
Speaker 1: get a demon?
Speaker 2: So I went before the wig aboard. I've always been
Speaker 2: able to see things, so I've had experience lifelong experiences.
Speaker 2: I still do to this day. I see stuff on
Speaker 2: the regular. But my one experience after the wiji aboard
Speaker 2: was kind of this craziness. When I'm not sure, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you. So I had came home from being out
Speaker 2: with some friends. I was like seventeen or eighteen years old.
Speaker 2: I wasn't drinking or anything. And I had gotten home
Speaker 2: and I remember that the northern lights wrote in full effect,
Speaker 2: and so I was watching them. But I had to
Speaker 2: be up early in the morning. So I went to sleep,
Speaker 2: tried to go to sleep, and I was watching the
Speaker 2: clock and watching the hours tick by, and you know,
Speaker 2: as a as you would do when you're younger, you know,
Speaker 2: I fall asleep. Now I have seven hours and fifty
Speaker 2: three minutes, and then it's seven hours and twelve minutes.
Speaker 2: And so I was watching the clock and tossing and
Speaker 2: turning them. I felt like I I did not hear
Speaker 2: like a voice to tell me to do this. I
Speaker 2: wasn't like in my mind or mind speaking like that.
Speaker 2: But I just felt this urge that I needed to
Speaker 2: roll over onto my back and look up. So I did,
Speaker 2: and floating above me, about three and a half feet
Speaker 2: above me, was this shadow being. And it's dark in
Speaker 2: my room, but I can see the head, the shoulders,
Speaker 2: the neck, you know, I can see the shoulders, the arms,
Speaker 2: and the waist. And when it got down to about
Speaker 2: the waist, area. It drifted off into a white, vapory,
Speaker 2: wispy smoke. The rest was blacker than black now. Its
Speaker 2: eyes though, its eyes were glowing red, not like flashlights,
Speaker 2: but like an incandescent glowing red. And and I don't
Speaker 2: know how long it was there for. And I laid there.
Speaker 2: I was motionless. I could not move. And some people
Speaker 2: are like, oh, that's sleep process, Like, well, no, I
Speaker 2: wasn't asleep though. I was like you know when you
Speaker 2: have your fight flight or freeze, and I was frozen.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. It was maybe there for like
Speaker 2: three to five seconds, and it disappeared. And I don't
Speaker 2: know how long I laid there for. I laid there
Speaker 2: for a long time, and then next thing I know,
Speaker 2: I got up in the morning, and it was kind
Speaker 2: of that was like the event, you know. I talked
Speaker 2: about that there being like a bad event that you
Speaker 2: can shape your life to go in a direction. That
Speaker 2: was the event. That was my event that I was like,
Speaker 2: I need to do something about this because this was
Speaker 2: not good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, yeah, I think some people just are more
Speaker 1: sensitive to see in this.
Speaker 2: Stuff, right, Yeah. I think we. I think we all
Speaker 2: have that ability. It's just that some are maybe tuned
Speaker 2: in a little bit more, or or like perhaps with
Speaker 2: like mediums or psychics, we have like a muscle that
Speaker 2: is a little more Strengthen. I'm not saying I'm a
Speaker 2: medium or psychic, because I don't believe I am at all,
Speaker 2: but I believe that we Yeah, I believe I am
Speaker 2: sensitive to this all and I'm able to. Maybe I'm
Speaker 2: just tuned in a little bit more than most. My
Speaker 2: wife says, is because I had a little bit of
Speaker 2: a rough childhood or you know, like things were kind
Speaker 2: of crazy. So instead of living in this reality, I
Speaker 2: decided to explore other realities.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, childhood trauma can do it to you every time. Well,
Speaker 1: do you think that's why they select certain people to
Speaker 1: become part of these experiments and be like abducted multiple
Speaker 1: times over and over again. It's like they have the
Speaker 1: secret sauce whatever it is that they're looking for. And
Speaker 1: I think almost they do this ancestry DNA stuff to
Speaker 1: kind of see if there's something about certain people that
Speaker 1: could be used in these experiments and stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: sensitive people's psyche gigs, this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Don't get me started on that ancestry DNA kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know what I'm talking about, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I do. I do. I believe they're searching.
Speaker 2: They're using it to search for somebody. I believe that
Speaker 2: they're well I would say somebody, but I believe it's
Speaker 2: a it's a process that they're like, we know the
Speaker 2: DNA we're we're looking for, and we now have a
Speaker 2: database and black Rock now owns that database. Yay.
Speaker 1: So it's nefarious to say the least.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know if I'll get in trouble
Speaker 2: for saying this, but that's what I think the PCR
Speaker 2: test was as well.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, one time.
Speaker 2: The PCR test was a DNA sampler as well.
Speaker 1: It's a big collection, a big data collection experiment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's me being out in the far the
Speaker 2: far field.
Speaker 1: But I I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I believe that that was there too to gather DNA.
Speaker 1: Well, I think so too. And I think they're looking
Speaker 1: for specific markers that people can have. And me, like
Speaker 1: a freaking dumb idiot before I was ever a conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 1: I got one for Christmas, and I did it and
Speaker 1: now I regret it because I'm like, one day I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get abducted. I just know it, but.
Speaker 2: I want I wanted to do it as well. My parents.
Speaker 2: My parents are weird. So my parents are like not
Speaker 2: conspiracy theorists, but sometimes they just don't. There's certain things
Speaker 2: that they just don't abide by, and that was one
Speaker 2: of them. My sister had given them for Christmas the
Speaker 2: DNA ancestry, and they never did it. They also were like,
Speaker 2: Wi Fi is bad, and at that point I was like, no,
Speaker 2: it's not, it's nothing. And then now you know, there's
Speaker 2: more and more people coming out saying, yeah, the shit's
Speaker 2: not good for.
Speaker 1: Us, right, Yeah, it cooks your brain and does all kinds.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, sure, that's why I don't use any Bluetooth.
Speaker 2: I use Bluetooth.
Speaker 1: I was just say, my brain's gonna be some fry.
Speaker 2: I walked away from Bluetooth about two years ago and
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, that's it.
Speaker 1: I'm done creature comforts, you know, because they they are
Speaker 1: a trojan horse, to say the least. Still everything that
Speaker 1: they give us as a trojan horse, including the ancestry
Speaker 1: dn anything, because like, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: if you find out you're twenty five percent Norwegian, does
Speaker 1: it really change your life in any way.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, you know, but you know what I
Speaker 2: really think it is because people are looking for like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm part native or I'm part black, you know, and
Speaker 2: they can be like yes, now I can make exotic,
Speaker 2: yes exactly, and it's like, I know, you know what
Speaker 2: we're all gonna be, this mixed mash kind of a
Speaker 2: little bit of everything mulatto people. Yeah, we'll all end
Speaker 2: up beij That's what we're gonna be. We're just gonna
Speaker 2: be I say too.
Speaker 1: That's what I say too, is we're all gonna end
Speaker 1: up in like twenty years from now, just a bunch
Speaker 1: of mulatto. Nobody really. But I've taken up a lot
Speaker 1: of your time, But I do have one last question
Speaker 1: for you. I'm just dying to know because it's something
Speaker 1: that I've covered and it's a hodgepodge of everything that
Speaker 1: we've talked about. So a long time ago, I did
Speaker 1: an episode on the Dachtlaf Pass, and there are so
Speaker 1: many theories. There was a Bigfoot, there was extraterrestrials. They
Speaker 1: were doing experiments out there with like radiation stuff, and
Speaker 1: there's just so many theories as to what happened to
Speaker 1: these people that that died in the Diochtlive Past incident.
Speaker 1: I believe there was nine people died.
Speaker 2: I know, I know a little bit about it.
Speaker 1: But yes, so I saw you had an episode and
Speaker 1: it was called flight Image three seventy and Dyochtlive Pass.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I see I went and my friend went
Speaker 2: deep on the on the past. What's it call it that?
Speaker 1: But yes, sure, sure, yeah, what are your thoughts about?
Speaker 1: And how could they be possibly connected?
Speaker 2: Okay, so well the past in so there was a
Speaker 2: active military exercise going on and the general saw lights
Speaker 2: off in that distance where these people were had this incident.
Speaker 2: I believe that it was a cross between a an
Speaker 2: abduction scenario because I think one of them had his
Speaker 2: tongue cut out as well. Yeah right, and that ties
Speaker 2: into cattle mutilation, right, and some one of them had
Speaker 2: his like chest like blown out as well. It was
Speaker 2: it was crazy, So I think that ties more into
Speaker 2: abduction though. I do believe that because a lot of
Speaker 2: times there is bigfoot sightings around UFO sightings. It's not
Speaker 2: to say, you know, people always say a correlation does
Speaker 2: not make causation, but what happens if it does? What
Speaker 2: happens if there has been so many of these sightings
Speaker 2: together that they are connected. Maybe maybe they're not like
Speaker 2: Bigfoot is in the UFO. Maybe the UFO was studying
Speaker 2: Bigfoot as well, so they're at the same location at
Speaker 2: the same time, which is possibility. But I think there
Speaker 2: was abduction and also possible Bigfoot activity on that one.
Speaker 2: I know it's I'm being very vague on that, but well.
Speaker 1: I only ask because when I covered it, I said,
Speaker 1: this is one percent either something supernatural or like a
Speaker 1: government experiment, and they blasted these guys with like a
Speaker 1: directed energy weapon or something like that. And the person
Speaker 1: I was arguing with on that episode said, one they
Speaker 1: died in an avalanche case closed period. There's nothing supernatural,
Speaker 1: nothing paranormal about it. And it just that just never
Speaker 1: could settle with me. With the injuries that these dudes sustained.
Speaker 1: Was one of them was orange and one was up
Speaker 1: in a tree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I also believe, Yeah, I believe there was
Speaker 2: radiation too. I definitely believe there was radiation involved with that.
Speaker 2: So when you're saying directed energy weapon, it very much
Speaker 2: could be that as well, you know, and that's what
Speaker 2: caused them to freak out and to lose their marbles
Speaker 2: and literally run out without clothes on and shoes and yeah,
Speaker 2: no shoes, Like Okay, if an avalanche happens, you're going
Speaker 2: to be buried right then and there. You're not going
Speaker 2: to go running down a hill because they found their tents.
Speaker 2: Why why did they leave their tents if there was
Speaker 2: an avalanche and the tents are still standing?
Speaker 1: Were cut from the inside?
Speaker 2: Correct? Correct?
Speaker 1: So what's going on? That's why I just I'm so
Speaker 1: glad we're on the same page with that, because I
Speaker 1: hadn't heard anybody else talk about that specifically, and I
Speaker 1: always thought there had to be something more going on
Speaker 1: than just slab avalanche is what it's called. I was like,
Speaker 1: my ass, it's a slab avalanche.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Unfortunately it was my friend who did more of
Speaker 2: the We each picked the subjects. I picked m H
Speaker 2: three seventy and.
Speaker 1: So what's going on with that? Though?
Speaker 2: So much, so much so? Aston Forbes is the the
Speaker 2: closest thing to an expert that you're gonna find, you know,
Speaker 2: I was. I'd loosely follow him, and the airplane was abducted.
Speaker 2: It was taken through a portal. What happened to it?
Speaker 2: I don't know, we don't know. It was spotted on
Speaker 2: many different occasions. It was spotted on fire as well,
Speaker 2: and the fire could be from all the lithium ion
Speaker 2: batteries that were in the hole. Now, the fumes from
Speaker 2: the Litheon Litheon ion batteries are extremely toxic, to the
Speaker 2: point that as soon as you start to notice something,
Speaker 2: you're done. You are out. So it and it could
Speaker 2: have been on autopilot at that point. So where they
Speaker 2: discovered it, and I don't think it crashed. I don't believe.
Speaker 2: I believe it was abducted. Now was it abducted by
Speaker 2: aliens or was it abducted by military or clandestine governments
Speaker 2: or other I think so. I think they There was
Speaker 2: so much more to it. There is so much more
Speaker 2: to it. It is not enough time.
Speaker 1: And about yeah he was on where I found him?
Speaker 1: Is he was on an episode of Candice Owens. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he has a video and he's got he went
Speaker 1: after like some CIA guy and tried to get information.
Speaker 1: And like when you make these statements, I know because
Speaker 1: I watched the same episode you probably did. There's so
Speaker 1: many layers to why he thinks that this is what happened.
Speaker 1: And then if you watch the video, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: one hundred, it flew right into like a Bermuda triangle
Speaker 1: type of it's like a portal in the sky exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, So he the first time I heard him,
Speaker 2: he was on The Confessionals with Tony Tony Merkle, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I gotta have this guy on and
Speaker 2: he was going to come on my show, but then
Speaker 2: we just couldn't. We couldn't connect at that time. But
Speaker 2: now he's kind of blowing up even more because it
Speaker 2: was kind of like a wave actually, so he was
Speaker 2: really promoting it and they thought they had something, but
Speaker 2: then there was discredits coming in so like the SI
Speaker 2: of to discredit him, so he kind of dropped out.
Speaker 2: But then he was able to prove the legitimacy of
Speaker 2: all the videos that he has, including like he went
Speaker 2: down into specifics of like this is a Predator drone
Speaker 2: with a camera module on this side videoing this. They
Speaker 2: also had the heat the like the flur camera as
Speaker 2: well that that does the heat.
Speaker 1: It signals and.
Speaker 2: Yes, the signatures yes. So it's extremely extremely interesting and
Speaker 2: how deep he goes. So I kind of like touched
Speaker 2: on it as best as I could there was the
Speaker 2: theory that the theory that the pilot was on a
Speaker 2: suicide mission, which is completely ridiculous, garbage as fuck, ar badge.
Speaker 2: And and for those people who are out there saying,
Speaker 2: just leave it alone, let these let these people, let
Speaker 2: the victims rest, you know, quit bringing this up. Have
Speaker 2: you talked to the families, because the families aren't buying
Speaker 2: this at all, you know, like like, don't don't assume
Speaker 2: for someone else, don't. I hate that. Actually when people
Speaker 2: get offended for someone else without actually knowing the whole story.
Speaker 2: It's like completely yes, you you got to know. These
Speaker 2: families are in dire straits because they know they were taken.
Speaker 2: They know that this was all bullshit. They know it
Speaker 2: was all crap and the story that they're given is
Speaker 2: not true. And like the the aliaryon that they that
Speaker 2: they found in the water, you know, it had a
Speaker 2: certain amount of muscle growth on it, like you know,
Speaker 2: like the clams on it, the muscles on it were
Speaker 2: is only for a certain amount of time. So it
Speaker 2: had only been in the water for this x amount
Speaker 2: of time and that was like, let's say, for like
Speaker 2: five months, and that was when they found it was
Speaker 2: like a year and a half or two years later
Speaker 2: or something ridiculous. So it's like where was this? And
Speaker 2: they did find parts, they did find pieces on these
Speaker 2: other areas, but it's like, no, this, what happened to this?
Speaker 1: It never none of it adds up actually, and the
Speaker 1: timeline is all crazy. And think of it like cause
Speaker 1: I know they say that about think think of the
Speaker 1: families and why are you making this big deal? Like okay,
Speaker 1: think of it like this if you one of your
Speaker 1: loved ones was murdered. Okay, I'm sure you don't want
Speaker 1: them to have autopsy and be sliced open and do
Speaker 1: all this stuff. I'm sure you don't want them to
Speaker 1: be doing forensics and trying. But we're trying to catch
Speaker 1: the killer, asshole. That's the point, I mean, the point
Speaker 1: we get it like rip to the victims, but let
Speaker 1: us do what we need to do so they have justice.
Speaker 1: That's the point. Yes, this is the point.
Speaker 2: People died or people are missing, Okay, Like I am
Speaker 2: not denying that at all. You know, we go to
Speaker 2: like nine to eleven as well. Completely there were people
Speaker 2: that were people that die, people that are missing, but
Speaker 2: the true narrative has never been told. They're like, well,
Speaker 2: just just let it go. No, because those people are
Speaker 2: still running out there, they're still doing stuff and you're
Speaker 2: okay with it. No, because this is gonna happen again,
Speaker 2: because it has happened again multiple times because guess what
Speaker 2: you just said, Oh, just leave it go, just don't
Speaker 2: talk about it. No, that we need to talk about this.
Speaker 2: We need to make so much noise that they actually
Speaker 2: start to look into this. Like there is over three
Speaker 2: thousand architects that have signed a petition for them to
Speaker 2: open the investigation on Building seven, you know, because they
Speaker 2: all agree, because so many of them were showing the
Speaker 2: video and they all said, oh, that's a controlled demolition.
Speaker 2: That's controlled demolition. Not one has said that, oh that's
Speaker 2: that's a building coming down naturally, you know from structural fires,
Speaker 2: which is like nothing nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are people out there wanting answers, and then
Speaker 2: there's the people out there who just don't have a
Speaker 2: clue and they just believe that everything is fine in
Speaker 2: this world.
Speaker 1: Well, those people are definitely going to find no interest
Speaker 1: in either one of our podcasts because I like to
Speaker 1: dig deep. I like to find the answers. I think
Speaker 1: people deserve to know the truth, and it's important now
Speaker 1: more than ever because so many weird things are coming
Speaker 1: out JFK files, there's cylinders under the pyramid, there's this,
Speaker 1: there's that we're going to get disclosure were people need
Speaker 1: to understand where to put their trust into question everything
Speaker 1: because there's just so we're being inundated right now with
Speaker 1: this crazy bullshit.
Speaker 2: Which that's one thing, Like I'm kind of stepping back
Speaker 2: a little bit because there's so much going out right now,
Speaker 2: and when when we get a boatload of information given
Speaker 2: to us, I'm like, Okay, what are they justtry from us?
Speaker 2: What's over that way, what's going on over here? You
Speaker 2: know now? Or is this the truth? Are we actually
Speaker 2: given the truth? Or is this this kind of misleading information?
Speaker 2: And so you gotta do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, for those of my listeners who have never
Speaker 1: heard you before, I'm sure they heard the Magdalene episode
Speaker 1: because that was awesome, But if they are listening for
Speaker 1: the first time, can you tell everyone where they can
Speaker 1: find your work?
Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah, I'm I'm I'm like you. I'm on YouTube,
Speaker 2: So I am I am at Codega's Codex of Curiosities.
Speaker 2: I interview all walks of people, people who've had experiences, experiencers, researchers,
Speaker 2: and everybody in between. And it's everything from Bigfoot, Cryptid's
Speaker 2: alien abductions to Atlantis, Edgar Casey, Gary, Wayne Nephelim, all
Speaker 2: the above.
Speaker 1: I love it all too.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, and Spotify, Apple YouTube rumble.
Speaker 1: What if one of the listeners has seen a UFO
Speaker 1: or something like that, they want to get in touch
Speaker 1: with you. How do you want people to contact you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they can. They can reach out faith thanks
Speaker 2: for that. They can reach out to like Facebook, Rye Vos,
Speaker 2: I have my my group. I know Facebook is kind
Speaker 2: of like this dying thing, but for some reason, I
Speaker 2: just touched. I'm attached to it.
Speaker 1: I still have Facebook.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still on I'm on Instagram as well. Or
Speaker 2: they can or they can email codecs of Curiosities at
Speaker 2: gmail dot com and reach out and uh, we'll have
Speaker 2: a discussion.
Speaker 1: That's so awesome. I'm so glad you came on. I
Speaker 1: had all these questions typed up because I finally found
Speaker 1: a podcast that's like talking about all the same things
Speaker 1: I'm interested in. So I hope I didn't talk your
Speaker 1: ear off, but thanks.
Speaker 2: Not at all. It was great. It was a great
Speaker 2: conversation I thoroughly appreciate, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, Me too. And you know, whether it's
Speaker 1: on a cult reject or my show, or if I
Speaker 1: come on your show or whatever. I hope to work
Speaker 1: with you again in the future. And thanks to all
Speaker 1: the listeners out there, we will catch you on the
Speaker 1: next one.