WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.960 --> 00:00:01.760 All right, let's get it. 2 00:00:01.840 --> 00:00:05.200 Drive time Thursday afternoon, ten minutes past the hour of 3 00:00:05.200 --> 00:00:08.599 two o'clock. It is hot, man, It is scorching hot today, 4 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:11.640 about ninety two degrees sunny here in. 5 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:13.160 Downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. 6 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:17.640 Have like a random cool down Saturday, Sunday Monday situation, 7 00:00:17.679 --> 00:00:20.480 which might feel kind of good. We hit one hundred 8 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:22.600 a little bit earlier. It's going to be a hot 9 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:25.320 tomorrow as well. But as it is every single day, 10 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:28.079 it's good to have you along for the ride. Spence 11 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:31.600 checkets beyond the mic, Porter Larson back behind the glass 12 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:34.240 after pulling double duty today, Porter and James holding it 13 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:37.600 down as Sean is on the road with the PFL. 14 00:00:37.719 --> 00:00:39.000 So Porter and James. 15 00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:41.399 Doing a good job midday today on the radio station. 16 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:44.960 Appreciate their work. So Porter is producing the show. He 17 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:47.679 can take a few deep breaths after three hours on air, 18 00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:50.560 and we are jam packed and busy on a Thursday 19 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:53.920 edition of the program. Could be the final day of 20 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:56.159 the NBA season, could be the final day of the 21 00:00:56.240 --> 00:00:59.000 season in Pro basketballs the Oklahoma City Thunder, We'll look 22 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:03.439 to complete what has really been a historic season all 23 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:05.120 year long. They're going to try to knock off the 24 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:08.400 Pacers tonight. As the series has returned to the Brick 25 00:01:08.439 --> 00:01:12.840 House in Indianapolis, Indiana Gainsbridge Field House, Oklahoma City is a 26 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:15.519 healthy favor to win tonight, and all eyes on the 27 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:20.719 status of Tyrese Haliburt. As of now, we are about 28 00:01:20.760 --> 00:01:25.799 fifty minutes away from Indiana's walkthrough prior to tip tonight, 29 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:31.640 and sources indicate, not mine, others, not wildely sourced in Indianapolis, 30 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:36.200 that they will decide excuse me, after the workout tonight 31 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:38.560 whether or not Tyrees is going to go. 32 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:39.840 So we'll let you know. 33 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:41.959 It's about fifty minutes away from right now. Of course 34 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:44.719 that decision will affect the line, and of course it 35 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:49.200 will affect the flow of the basketball game. Tyree's really 36 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:50.640 makes them go in a lot of ways. We'll talk 37 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:53.040 about it on the show today. There ain't non the 38 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:56.079 postseason when he scores twenty plus points, they're actually nine 39 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:59.239 to zero. In the postseason when he has eleven plus assists, 40 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:02.760 they're six and seven when he goes beneath twenty points. 41 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:05.640 So of course they badly need him to go. But 42 00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:07.799 we'll get into it on the show. We are six 43 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:11.199 days away from the NBA Draft, where the Utah Jazz 44 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:13.120 as of now have the number five and the number 45 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:14.919 twenty one pick in the first round, a couple of 46 00:02:14.919 --> 00:02:17.960 second rounders to boot. So we'll see if the Jazz 47 00:02:18.039 --> 00:02:19.800 Dan Patt, if they try to move up, or if 48 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:22.560 they make a move prior to NBA Draft night. Want 49 00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:25.599 to remind you that we will have excellent coverage of 50 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:27.960 the NBA Draft, coverage you won't find anywhere else, certainly 51 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:30.759 in this market. But you know, low Bar Gordy chaser 52 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:33.319 Richard Smith live in studio. I'll be anchoring our coverage 53 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:36.360 for the both Round one and Round two coming up 54 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:39.639 next week and then the Utah Mammoth almost at Hockey Club. 55 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:40.240 We'll get there. 56 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:44.319 We'll draft fourth overall in the NHL Draft the day 57 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:47.639 after the NBA Draft concludes. So the latest on some 58 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:50.120 of these prospects. Something weird is going on with Ace Bailey. 59 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:55.599 Ace Bailey canceled his workout today in Philadelphia. 60 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:56.240 And. 61 00:02:57.800 --> 00:02:59.240 You know he's taking a lot of heat. 62 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:01.479 Let me just say this, these decisions are never made 63 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:05.360 by these young prospects, and Ace is very young. He's eighteen, 64 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:09.280 He's still very much a kid. So it's not an 65 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:12.800 Ace Bailey problem. That could be who is representing him, 66 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:14.759 could be a problem with his reps or his agent 67 00:03:14.840 --> 00:03:18.919 or what have you. Rumors are that his agent, Ace 68 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:22.599 is the only client that this agent has. I don't know, 69 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:26.719 never heard of the agent. Really, what this usually means 70 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:29.520 is the young man has a promise from a team. 71 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:31.960 But as porter pointing it out during crosstalk, Philly is 72 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:35.960 drafting three and it would be a wild upset if 73 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:38.199 he had a promise from the top two. Certainly not one. 74 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:42.479 There's no intrigue this year. That's Cooper Flagg. And most 75 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:44.840 people believe Dylan Harper's off the board of two. So 76 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:47.360 there's something up up here, and I'm not sure what 77 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:49.319 it is. Now, if he's there at five, what do 78 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:53.319 the Jazz do because and we'll get into this to 79 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:55.520 help you guys kind of understand the landscape of NBA 80 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:58.199 prospects prior to the draft and help Jazz fans get 81 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:01.439 familiar with some of these young men. About five six 82 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:04.800 months ago, there was a legitimate debate about Ace as 83 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:06.759 one of the top two picks, let alone one of 84 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:10.000 the top three. Now, Dylan Harper seems to have separated 85 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:13.680 himself he's the only US based prospect yet to visit 86 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:19.399 any clubs. He's declined multiple invitations from multiple teams. People 87 00:04:19.439 --> 00:04:22.079 still believe he's probably going to be drafted three to eight. 88 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:23.839 Is he a player the Jazz would look at even 89 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:24.839 though he's not going to show up. 90 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:25.439 I don't know. 91 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:28.360 We'll have to see. So we'll talk to some NBA 92 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:31.639 drafted on the show. NFL offseason news. Not a lot 93 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:33.800 right now is OTA's and mini camps. You're kind of 94 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:36.000 wrap it up, but we will talk some NFL today 95 00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:39.600 on the program with a really good guest, one of 96 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:43.759 our favorites to talk NFL offseason. College football quiet right now, 97 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:45.920 although if you're a BYU fan, you need to know 98 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:49.000 the name Ryder Lions. He is the top rated quarterback 99 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:55.639 in the twenty twenty six incoming recruiting class, and he 100 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:59.319 is going to make his decision between Oregon and Brigham 101 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:02.600 young Man the school on June the twenty fourth. 102 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:05.040 And look, I'm not going to. 103 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:07.639 Tell you I've been grinding tape on Rider Lions, but 104 00:05:07.720 --> 00:05:09.839 the more you read about him, the more that you 105 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:11.480 understand he's very highly thought of. 106 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:13.040 So it could be a big day for BYU. 107 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:15.560 Grabbing the top draft pick, or excuse me, the top 108 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:19.199 prospect in the twenty twenty six class. Utah Football has 109 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:21.000 announced their home promotions. 110 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:22.959 If you're into such things, we'll tell you what those are. 111 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:26.360 For Utah Football, we have a little Gold Cup action 112 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:28.720 as the US men's national team will be at action 113 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:32.959 tonight against Saudi Arabia in group play. Diego Luna, our 114 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:36.040 own Diego Luna from RSL, has been, in my estimation 115 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:39.279 through one match, the best player on this team. So 116 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:41.079 if you're looking for something to watch tonight and you're 117 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:44.839 not necessarily a basketball fan, there's a little soccer on 118 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:48.319 your television. A little bit later, we know the details 119 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:50.240 on the cell of the La Lakers. We'll get in 120 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:53.199 some of that stuff today, and I want to talk 121 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:55.680 about throughout the course of the show with a couple 122 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:59.279 of guests. I don't really know qual Tricks finances. I 123 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:02.639 don't know Ryan's finances at all now. When it was 124 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:04.560 announced that he was taking over the Jazz, a lot 125 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:06.240 of people talked about I think a number of about 126 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:09.319 twenty four to twenty five billion dollars, and I certainly 127 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:11.439 would never crack a microphone and tell you that's not. 128 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:12.560 A lot of money. 129 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:15.480 But the money that's now coming into professional basketball. We're 130 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:20.240 talking about groups and individuals that are like ten times 131 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:25.040 wealthier than that number, which is astronomical. And the business 132 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:28.800 of basketball worldwide is booming NBA Africa, of course, all 133 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:31.600 the money to make in China. Ask Daryl Morey about 134 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:35.439 how sensitive that topic is. So the finances of the 135 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:38.720 NBA are changing, the business of basketball are changing. Behemoths 136 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:41.279 are taking over basketball teams, and the new order of 137 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:43.040 the Lakers is the owner of the Dodgers, and their 138 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:45.959 payroll is about one hundred and thirty million more than 139 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:49.040 any other team in Pro BAS. This dude is like 140 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:52.720 disgustingly loaded. And the Lakers will now be able to 141 00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:55.319 operate like a legitimate business because they really have kind 142 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:56.759 of been a sneaky mob and pop. 143 00:06:56.560 --> 00:06:59.279 Shop for a long time. Doctor Buss was not a 144 00:06:59.360 --> 00:06:59.680 rich man. 145 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:02.959 Everything he had to buy the Lakers in nineteen seventy nine, 146 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:06.600 and you fast forward. He paid sixty seven million for 147 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:08.959 the Lakers in seventy nine and the valuation now was 148 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:12.160 ten billion dollars. The business of basketball is very good, 149 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:14.399 So a lot to do on the program. Really Good 150 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:16.560 Guest List three of my favorite guests will stop by today. 151 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:19.199 We'll start off with some football, some NFL football with 152 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:23.639 Ben Solac. For me, ESPN, I always enjoyed chatting football 153 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:26.839 with Ben. He's a consistent friend of the show, has 154 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:29.120 been before he became like uber famous. I feel like 155 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:31.839 we kind of made Ben quite frankly, I would ever 156 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:33.360 say that to him, even though I have a couple 157 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:36.000 of different times. So we'll bring in Ben Solac on 158 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:38.920 the program today to talk a little football. Move over 159 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:43.040 to Chris com Rodnie live in studio Friday staple most 160 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:45.480 of the time, but Ck will stop by today and 161 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:47.480 we'll talk about a bunch of different things with Chris, 162 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:51.120 some college football, some Utah football, maybe a little RSL 163 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:53.319 us men's national team. And then good day to have 164 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:56.439 Dave mcminnamon stopped by live from Indianapolis the preview tonight's 165 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:59.839 game and to talk about the sell the LA Lakers, 166 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:03.839 a little business of basketball conversation. The world of professional 167 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:06.560 golf is focused on the Travelers Championship, where Austin eck 168 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:10.319 Wrote shot a sixty two to eight hundred par Wyndham, Clark, 169 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:14.000 Roy McElroy, Keegan Bradley, all of five under Scottie Scheffler five. 170 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:14.680 Hundred through eleven. 171 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:17.000 These guys are going low today after the challenge of 172 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:19.920 the US Open. I would imagine they're breathing very, very easy. 173 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:23.319 So Ben Solach, Chris Camrodnie Dave mcmanman and me Spence Check. 174 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:25.959 Its all of you the great listeners. Happy Thursday afternoon 175 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:27.879 to you. You're almost to the weekend. Hang on, you're 176 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:32.000 almost there. And that guy pulling double duty today three 177 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:35.120 hours in the midday hosting a show now producing Afternoon Drive. 178 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:37.600 Hello Porter, Happy Thursday. How are you young man? 179 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:40.279 Happy Thursday to you, Spence doing well, do well already 180 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:44.279 you know, as you mentioned, well into the radio day, 181 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:47.440 so ready to ready to finish it off. 182 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:49.519 There you go, there you go, So a lot to 183 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:52.039 get to on the program. 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So of course, all the 234 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:02.519 eyes are on this status of Tyree Saliburton, the head 235 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:04.759 of the Snake of the Pacers, the star point guard 236 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:08.039 of the Pacers, who had a really, really rough Game five. 237 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:08.759 And just didn't look right. 238 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:11.440 Indiana is going to hold a walk through and work 239 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:14.039 out in about forty five minutes from right now. It 240 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:18.440 will make a determination after that, according to ESPN and others. 241 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:23.480 I think it's an interesting dynamic to consider. It probably 242 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:25.679 will just list him game time and then we'll see 243 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:27.559 if he's actually out there to play. I mean, I 244 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:30.759 don't know if this is gainsmanship from Rick Carlisle. Rick 245 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:34.120 is known for his gamesmanship. You can ask Tom Thibodaux 246 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:35.840 about that, so this could be a bit of a 247 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.120 smoke screen. I honestly have no clue what does Indiana 248 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:40.799 do if he cannot go? But I always find this 249 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:45.159 dynamic interesting because Tyree's talked about this himself after Game 250 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:48.320 five when he was asked like so, in Game five, 251 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.159 Tyree Sliburton had five drives to the basket. Five drives 252 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:53.639 to the basket for a guy that likes to get 253 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:56.360 to the ten, that's the lowest amount of drives he's 254 00:11:56.360 --> 00:12:00.360 had all year long, regular season, postseason, combined. 255 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:01.600 He didn't look right. 256 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:03.440 And you know, I always get a kick out of 257 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:07.240 media members that played doctor in these situations talking about 258 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:09.279 what could happen if he plays. But when it comes 259 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:12.200 to this calf strain, we do have several examples of 260 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:14.799 potential collateral damage if you push it and you go. 261 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:17.120 You remember Kevin Durant going down. 262 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:19.240 For the Golden State Warriors when the Toronto Raptors won 263 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:22.600 the NBA Championship. That was as a result of a 264 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:25.799 calf strain that they pushed in the wrong direction, and 265 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:29.080 of course that adversely affected Durant quite frankly for a 266 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:31.519 couple of years. He missed an entire season of basketball, 267 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:35.360 wasn't really himself when he initially came back. So there's 268 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:37.679 that risk, and you do need to mitigate that if 269 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:40.559 you're an organization, and if you also remember during that series. 270 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:45.639 So it's very rare after an NBA Finals game to 271 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:47.919 hear from anyone other than players and coaches. 272 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:49.399 It almost never happens. 273 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:52.399 And I'm watching the game, Durant goes down, you know, 274 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:56.159 and the Raptors win, And the first person from the 275 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:59.519 Golden State Warriors to address the media was Bob Myers. 276 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:00.600 Manager. 277 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:03.679 It wasn't Steve Kerr, it wasn't steph of course, it 278 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:06.000 wasn't KD. I'd go to the hospital. It wasn't Draymond, 279 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:09.720 wasn't Clay, it was Bob Myers, because he had to 280 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:12.759 get out in front of the story that they potentially 281 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:16.879 could be held liable here for their malfeasance allowing Kevin 282 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:20.080 Durant to play when he was clearly compromised. You have 283 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:22.000 to stop the narrative that you do not have a 284 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:24.879 great health and conditioning staff, that your training staff might 285 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:28.039 have made the wrong call. So Bob Myers clearly stepping 286 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:29.919 in front of a microphone to try to get in 287 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:33.039 front of that really really was somewhat interesting to me. 288 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:35.519 And so if you're Indiana, you've got to be careful here. 289 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:38.200 But the other side of this, as Tyree said himself 290 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:43.320 after Game five, this is a lifelong dream for Hoopers, 291 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:47.360 for basketball players, this is a lifelong dream anyone who's 292 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:50.080 ever played basketball with any premonition of being good at it, 293 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:52.120 You dreamed of hitting a game winning shot in the 294 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:54.919 NBA Finals. You're out in your backyard, you count down 295 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:56.840 three to two to one, you shoot the shot, You 296 00:13:56.879 --> 00:13:58.720 make it. Okay, we beat the Bulls. That was my 297 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:01.759 thing because the Bulls always be the Nicks, and you 298 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:05.519 dream about the opportunity that Tyreese has right now. And 299 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:09.360 if we're honest, the highway of NBA basketball Pro basketball 300 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:12.200 is littered with bodies of players that made it to. 301 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:14.399 One NBA Finals and never made it back. 302 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:19.000 So if you're Tyree Saliburton, you badly want to play tonight. 303 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:24.440 But on the flip side, conversely, if you're compromised, you 304 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:28.000 could cost your team a chance at fortune a game seven. Now, 305 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:30.240 do I think Indiana can go to Oklahoma City and 306 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:31.080 win a game seven? 307 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:31.399 No? 308 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:35.519 But so many crazy things happen when it simply do 309 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:39.200 or die. It's what makes March Madness so awesome. And 310 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:42.759 when it's a one off, what if Shay rolls an 311 00:14:42.759 --> 00:14:45.000 ankle in the first quarter. What if I don't know, 312 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:47.639 Benedict Matherin just goes nuts and goes for a half 313 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:50.840 a hundred or something, we've seen it. What if the 314 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:54.399 thunder just frees up because they're a young team that's 315 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:57.519 never had this opportunity before. If you can force a 316 00:14:57.559 --> 00:15:00.679 game seven, everything is on the table. That's why game 317 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:04.559 sevens are awesome. So if you're Tyree Saliburton, you have 318 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:08.320 to weigh that is it smarter to sit if you're 319 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:12.600 compromised and hope that the Bill Simmons Patrick Ewing theory 320 00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:14.240 actually comes to fruition. 321 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:16.159 And that's simply this. 322 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:18.320 When your star player goes down, the sum of the 323 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:21.120 parts are able to step up and maybe play better 324 00:15:21.159 --> 00:15:23.159 basketball than they ever have before to make sure that 325 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:26.720 they're keeping up despite losing their best player. 326 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:29.279 And we do see it happen quite often. 327 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:33.120 There are potentially only two games left for the Pacers 328 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:35.600 to lift a championship that nobody thought they had a 329 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:38.559 shot of even sniffing. So if you're ty reech you 330 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:40.960 have to weigh that out. And if it really is 331 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:43.240 up to the training staff. After he does this walk 332 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:45.320 through coming up in about forty minutes, my guess is 333 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:48.679 he does not go. If he has any say, my 334 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:51.080 guess is he tries. But here's the problem with that. 335 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:55.799 If Tyree Saliburton is fifty sixty percent and he steps 336 00:15:55.840 --> 00:15:57.279 out on the floor and tries to give it a go, 337 00:15:57.320 --> 00:15:59.679 you know what Mark Dadnold's gonna do. Put him in 338 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:03.879 every every single action possible on defense, pick and roll. 339 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:07.799 They will milk the clock until there's five seconds left 340 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:11.039 to force switches to get Tyres on the ball to 341 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:13.840 make sure he's moving as much as possible, and then, 342 00:16:13.879 --> 00:16:15.600 of course if you do that, what happens on the 343 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:17.960 other end of the floor. Offensively, he's simply not gonna 344 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:20.720 be the same because he's so gassed. This is a 345 00:16:20.840 --> 00:16:23.720 very interesting dynamic. Not sure how it's going to play out, 346 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:26.919 but it will be really interesting again. In about thirty 347 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:31.039 five minutes from right now, Indiana has their walkthrough prior 348 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:34.799 to the game tonight. We will know then, according to sources, 349 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:37.840 whether or not Tyres is gonna go. Let me rephrase 350 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:41.440 that they will make the determination during the walkthrough if 351 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:44.159 he's going to play. My guess is we won't know 352 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:47.159 until tip whether or not he's going. The line has 353 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:49.600 not moved. Okay, so it's still five and a half 354 00:16:50.360 --> 00:16:52.759 for whatever that says. Vegas believes Oklahoma City is a 355 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:56.120 five point five point favorite. Tyree's status doesn't seem to 356 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:58.720 have affected that one way or the other, but we'll 357 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:00.000 have to see how it goes. We have some good 358 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:05.200 NBA guest one live in Indianapolis and Dave mcminnimon could 359 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:08.079 be the final game of the NBA season tonight could 360 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:11.000 be saying goodbye to pro basketball coming up in about 361 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:13.519 four hours from right now. Tip Off is six thirty 362 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:17.359 Mountain time at Gainesbridge Field House in Indianapolis, Indiana, where 363 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:19.119 you're home of the NBA Finals. So when we say 364 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:22.039 good night at six o'clock, we'll send you live to 365 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:26.519 ESPN's coverage of the game tonight. We've got Chris Comaddie 366 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:28.680 and studio. We have Dave mcminnimon live on site. 367 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:30.960 Today. The LA Lakers were sold. We'll get to that. 368 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:32.440 But our first guests. 369 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:35.160 I always enjoy talking football with the great Ben Solac 370 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:35.920 from ESPN. 371 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:37.359 Ben, Happy Thursday, man. How you doing? 372 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:39.160 Oh well then, how you Ben? 373 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:41.480 I'm good buddy. So what's got your attention right now? 374 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:43.920 This really is a little bit of a down period. 375 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:46.559 Of course, football is always topical for people. But what's 376 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:49.079 got the Ben Solac antenna's up right now? 377 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:51.440 What are you talking about? The Ravens are still in 378 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:53.319 mini camp, but it's like day six or something. What 379 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:57.480 a thrill? Yeah. The biggest thing that I'm watching for 380 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:00.799 at this stage is always contract extensions hold out that 381 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:03.480 sort of a thing. Bengals and Trey Henderson is something 382 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:05.440 that's been covered now for over a year, since he's 383 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:08.359 been requesting a trade and requesting an extension. I'm very 384 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:11.200 curious to see how that continues, especially with stimulate a 385 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:13.960 lot of the locker room behind the tray and really 386 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:16.079 the players kind of understanding why he's holding out like this. 387 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:17.440 I think this is going to go a long running 388 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:19.880 as can to go through training camp, and I expect, 389 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:21.799 I think it's more likely than not to end in 390 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:24.000 a trade. It's like a sixty to forty thing. I 391 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:26.640 think they're both likely, but I would expect to trade 392 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:27.960 in that one. And then the other one that's a 393 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:31.359 big deal is in Washington wide receiver Terry mclauran, who 394 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:33.319 I very much expect to be back in a commander's 395 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:35.759 uniform this year. I think that will end in an extension. 396 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:38.599 But Terry's asking for a lot of money and rightfully so, 397 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:41.240 and the commanders are kind of, you know, painting into 398 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:43.079 a corner here with his demands. They do not have 399 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:46.359 a strong wide receiver room behind mclaur and obviously they 400 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:47.799 added Deebo same with this year, but it's still a 401 00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:50.680 thin group and they're trying to compete, right, it's June Dangles, 402 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:52.519 it's a rookie contract time. Like, let's go, we were 403 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:54.880 just an ant a championship game. They can't waste time 404 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:58.279 with screw around mclaur not at camp, and then you know, 405 00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:00.440 potentially missing time and what have you. And so the 406 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:02.039 main thing that I'm watching whenever we get to this, 407 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:05.720 right June July window is usually franchise tag stuff. But 408 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:07.720 the only guy in the tag was here was Trey 409 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:10.039 Smith and the then his contract extension stuff. 410 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:12.920 All right, good stuff, good stuff. Let's start with low 411 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:16.319 hanging fruit. Good ridden. Saron Rodgers as a Jets fan. 412 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:20.240 He's the quarterback for the Steelers. Now, of course, everybody 413 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:22.559 was waiting for the decision. It came down in very 414 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:25.599 classic Aaron Rodgers fashion. How's this going to look? What 415 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:29.599 do you think it's going to look like in Pittsburgh? 416 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:33.680 Fine? Okay, acceptable, You know, it's hard to get thrilled 417 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:36.200 about this. I think even if you got some version 418 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:38.359 of Aaron Rodgers that was an MVP guy three or 419 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:39.960 four or five years ago, which I just don't think 420 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:42.319 he can get given how old he is now coming 421 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:44.200 off of the injury and what have you, we're still 422 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:46.599 talking about a team. His best weapon is dcame met Calf, 423 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:49.160 which is decays a good receiver in the NFL, but 424 00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:51.519 as far as wide receiver ones go, he's more on 425 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:54.640 the low end of that spectrum. Their second third options 426 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:57.039 are are Pat Fryar Music who again to have like 427 00:19:57.039 --> 00:20:00.640 a league average tight end, Calvin Austin, Robert Woods. They 428 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:02.880 got a third round rookie running back and Caleb Johnson 429 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:05.400 there to split time with. With Jalen Woren out, Najie 430 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:07.319 Harrison out of the building, You've Arthur Smith at a 431 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:09.400 play caller. It's guys who's been around. It's guys that 432 00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:11.799 can be handy. Again, like it's not a bad group 433 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:14.559 by any stretch, but it's just not a great supporting cast. 434 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:17.359 And that's if you get good Rogers. There's also a 435 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:19.200 lot of worlds where you get bad Rogers. It's the 436 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:20.920 world of the j just been living through alasco of 437 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:23.160 last season, I should say, in terms of some of 438 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:25.319 the decision making and kind of throwing a whole bunch 439 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:27.799 of go balls really early, and he can't extend plays anymore. 440 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:30.920 He gets frustrated with his receivers, with his play callers. 441 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:32.839 There there's just there's a lot that can go wrong 442 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:36.119 in Pittsburgh. And then even if you hit right and 443 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:38.640 you nail the netcap trade and Rogers is good for 444 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:40.559 a year and what have you, it stills me a 445 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:43.400 pretty low stealing offense. So they're hoping, I guess, for 446 00:20:43.519 --> 00:20:46.440 that right sixteenth best offense and then a top ten 447 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:48.480 defense and that that brings him to the playoffs again. 448 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:50.079 But it's hard for me to see them getting any 449 00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:50.759 further than that. 450 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:52.359 We'll stick with low hanging fruit. 451 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:55.359 And I will ask you about Justin Fields and Aaron 452 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:58.079 Glenn and my New York Jets, even though, as I've 453 00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:00.839 told you over the years, no part to me believes 454 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:03.400 in their ability to do anything right. And I'm still 455 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:05.359 in that space. What it's going to what's what's this 456 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:08.240 going to look like? Ben both now and what's the plan? 457 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:10.079 What's the plan for this team moving forward? 458 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:14.000 Yeah, so I think that the Justin Fields tire kick 459 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:16.160 is the correct way to go about things. This is 460 00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:18.359 going to be a long term rebuild. There's no doubt 461 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:20.559 about that. Aaron Gunn was in Detroit, which is the 462 00:21:20.599 --> 00:21:23.400 team that took things very slow in there, rebuilt General 463 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:25.880 manager Darren Moogie was in Denver. What is the team 464 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:28.160 that tried to fast track or reload right, all right, 465 00:21:28.279 --> 00:21:31.960 Nathania Hacket Russell Wilson's humongous trade, big extension go and 466 00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:32.640 it didn't work. 467 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:32.799 Right. 468 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:35.079 You kind of experienced how you put the car before 469 00:21:35.079 --> 00:21:37.559 the horse. You end up crashing and burning, and you 470 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:39.759 can really throw a wrench in your team's future cap space. 471 00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:43.160 So I effect the build here to go quite slow. Accordingly, 472 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:46.079 you bring in a player like Fields on a like 473 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:49.039 fee tier contract, right, it feels like a big contract 474 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:51.079 out twenty million per year if you look at NFL 475 00:21:51.160 --> 00:21:53.240 quarterback contracts, I mean, like you know, Danio Jones got 476 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:55.759 fourteen million for one season. Right, This is just kind 477 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:58.000 of the maybe he can be a spot star for 478 00:21:58.119 --> 00:22:01.720 US deal. It's totally to bring in Field to parent 479 00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:03.880 Mcgarrett Wilson has been the probably he's gonna be the 480 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:06.559 best receiver that Fields has played with at the NFL level. 481 00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:09.119 And you give Kanner Engstrom the new OC there a 482 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:10.839 year or two figure out what he can do with 483 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:13.319 the rushing quarterback. Justin Field is not a hard quarterback 484 00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:15.000 to figure out. You have to involve him in the 485 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:16.960 design running game. You have to play option football. You 486 00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:18.880 have to let him run downhill. But most of his 487 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:21.559 coordinators have historically not wanted to do this with him. Right, 488 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:24.519 Arthur Smith was running quick game stuff, being not involved 489 00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:26.359 in too much in the option game there in Pittsburgh. 490 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:29.160 Before that, you go to Denver where it was Shane 491 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:31.079 Waldron and it was Matt Naggy, and they just were 492 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:34.039 not heavy movers of the guy. 493 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:34.279 Right. 494 00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:37.200 They did wasn't run the option offense. And so I 495 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:40.599 think that Aaron Glenn's experience in Detroit and his Lions teams, 496 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:43.440 his Lions defenses tended to get shredded by fields on 497 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:46.680 the ground. He was so good against Detroit's man covered specifically, 498 00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:49.599 I think he knows the value of having that eleven 499 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.279 or eleven quarterback, that true dual threat option quarterback. I 500 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:54.240 think you just see fields carry the ball at some 501 00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:56.480 of the league highest levels this year for quarterbacks, and 502 00:22:56.480 --> 00:22:59.480 they're gonna have some splashy off at the performances. Accordingly, 503 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:02.000 it's turning out the consistency in the draftback game and 504 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:04.440 not taking them any sacks. That's what limits justin field. 505 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:06.440 So you give him a year kind of see if 506 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:08.880 he can earn an extension from you if he can 507 00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:11.160 be a guy long term. It's not dissimilar to what 508 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:13.119 they did with Jared Goffen Detroit. They brought him in 509 00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:15.440 and said, you were good in the past, We're gonna 510 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:16.960 try to see if you can do something here. We're 511 00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:18.759 gonna let you hold the job, and if you hold 512 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:20.160 it for a year, hold it for another. Your hope 513 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:22.680 for he has yours if you can to take control 514 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:24.160 of it. That's exactly what Golf did. I think that's 515 00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:25.720 what they're doing with Fields in New York. 516 00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:28.000 I'll take advantage of Avenue on today to get a 517 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:30.319 couple of thoughts on local storylines. And it was a 518 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:33.960 quiet draft for our local college teams, juxtaposed to what 519 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:37.039 it typically is with you. Todd Bergham Young but Jackson 520 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:39.200 Dark played his high school ball about twenty minutes from 521 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:41.759 where we're broadcasting today. He lands with the Giants, who 522 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:45.319 of course also have signed Russell Wilson and Jamis Winston. 523 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:47.279 Do you think they'll be able to keep him on 524 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:49.240 the bench all year or do you think they've seen 525 00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:51.519 enough where maybe he gets a look as a rookie. 526 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:53.720 I'd be stunned if they can keep him on the 527 00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:56.920 bench all year simply because Brian da able to head 528 00:23:56.960 --> 00:23:58.960 coach there Joe Shane the general manager. There are both 529 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:01.200 guesses in round for years. Seat's starting to get a 530 00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:04.799 little hot. The objective for both those individuals is to 531 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:07.319 get to the twenty twenty six off season and be 532 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:09.480 able to turn to the Merit family and claim, this 533 00:24:09.519 --> 00:24:11.079 is why you got to keep me for another year. Right, 534 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:13.359 This is hold onto the job here. See, if you 535 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:16.119 try to rebuild it again, it's hard to get there 536 00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:18.519 with excitement for Russell Wilson, It's hard to get there 537 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:20.559 with the excitement for Jameis Winston. But if you can 538 00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:23.000 get a good back half of the season for Jackson Dart, 539 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:24.880 all we're building on something. We went four and four 540 00:24:24.920 --> 00:24:26.680 down the stretch, Like you know, we're figuring it out. 541 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:28.359 Many of the ability to kind of hold onto that 542 00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:30.240 job for another year, get another crack in an off 543 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:32.599 season to draft and build from there. So I very 544 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:35.519 much expect Jackson Dart to start at some point. I 545 00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:38.240 would not be surprised if you kind of see the 546 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:42.319 sacrificial veteran starter quarterback until we get to kind of 547 00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:44.359 an easier part of the schedule, and then we play 548 00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:47.359 the rookie. If you look at the Giants starting the season, 549 00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:50.480 they have the Commanders, the Cowboys, the Chiefs, the Chargers, 550 00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:53.200 the Saints, the Eagles, the Broncos, the Eagles. That's their 551 00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:53.880 first eight weeks. 552 00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:54.519 That's brutal. 553 00:24:54.559 --> 00:24:56.880 Man. I think that is fair. There's a lot of 554 00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.039 playoffs being in the first half of the schedule, so 555 00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:02.359 I think they're going to to start Russ, be training 556 00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:04.359 Jackson up, and then be looking for that opportunity to 557 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:06.799 kind of get him a soft onboard a few easier 558 00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:08.799 start somewhere mid season. That'd be my ETI vacation. 559 00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:11.960 It's probably okay to say that the Niners had no 560 00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:15.680 choice to pay brock Party what they did, But it's 561 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:17.759 also probably fair to say, wow, that's a lot for 562 00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:21.200 brock Party. Since you and I last spoke, the contract 563 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:24.440 came down five years to sixty five. Obviously, San Fran 564 00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:26.680 had to make some really difficult decisions. So your thoughts 565 00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:29.200 on the pretty contract and what it means for the Niners. 566 00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:32.599 Yeah, you say that here. It's past of doing business, right. 567 00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:37.039 Quarterback contracts and quarterback rankings feel like they should be 568 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:39.759 something that's very like complex. It's actually that's very simple, 569 00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:41.960 It's okay, can we go to the super Bowl with 570 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:43.680 this guy? Like if he if he above a bar 571 00:25:43.839 --> 00:25:46.000 such that we can make a Super Bowl rue with him, yes, 572 00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:49.039 then he's going to get paid an insane amount of money. 573 00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:51.640 Right now, if he were Lamar Jackson not brock perty 574 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:53.599 maybe he's making sixty three million a year instead of 575 00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:55.400 fifty three million a year, but he's going to be 576 00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:58.039 above that. That kind of Mendoza Ligne, right, you should 577 00:25:58.039 --> 00:25:59.440 be the Derek Car line. Derek Car is not the 578 00:25:59.480 --> 00:26:02.559 league anymore, but that line, like is a Baker Mayfield 579 00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:05.160 Trevor Lawrence line of this guy's just good enough. Like, 580 00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:08.039 if you're better than these players, then yeah, you're just 581 00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:10.240 gonna get mega contracts. And if you're worse than these players, 582 00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:13.000 you're probably not. You know, it becomes oddly black and 583 00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:15.599 white for such an important position, such a complex position. 584 00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:18.160 You either are a dude capable of taking a team 585 00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:20.519 there or you aren't. And then Niners obviously have proof 586 00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:22.759 of concept. They have been to that game with Brockberty 587 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:25.839 at quarterbacks. Now, if they had to come in at 588 00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:28.880 sixty million per year, I would maybe be here and say, man, 589 00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:30.559 I don't know if that feels like too much, how 590 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:32.759 did he get above Justin Herbert? How to get above 591 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:34.839 these other guys? I thought the guy at a pretty 592 00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:37.039 decent price tag for where the rest of the quarterbacks 593 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:38.880 are coming in. They got him around with Trevor Lawrence 594 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:40.839 two a huge by lot the number that feels correct 595 00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:43.559 to me in terms of where he ranks among those 596 00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:46.680 top twelve, top fifteen quarterbacks. But there's no doubt that 597 00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:49.240 the Margins get a lot center now for Kyle Shanahan 598 00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:52.039 and for John Lynch and Kyle s canahan's been making 599 00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:55.480 his money. You know, Kyle Sknahan's been providing value on 600 00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:57.319 his contract as the head coach to the forty nine ers. 601 00:26:57.319 --> 00:26:58.720 There's no doubt he's one of the best steamers in 602 00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:01.519 the league. Lynch, he's been doing his part. They're very 603 00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:04.200 successful drafting these brown three guys, round four guys. That's 604 00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:06.920 still the defense. With all these rookies. Lynch and Chann 605 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:08.680 have been doing the jobs. Now they have a quarterback 606 00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:10.799 in brock Through financially speaking, is saying this is the 607 00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:12.599 guy for us. So the Niners are selling you a 608 00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:14.920 bill that we have the general manager to make this run. 609 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:16.599 The head coach make this run and the quarterback to 610 00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:17.799 make this run. We'll see. 611 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:18.400 It was a big. 612 00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:20.519 Reload year for them. I don't think twenty twenty five 613 00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:22.400 necessarily year they're going to get back to the big game. 614 00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:24.519 But if they get some good plan of these young players, 615 00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:27.160 rebuild the offense a little bit, twenty twenty six spect 616 00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:28.359 now just to be back in full force. 617 00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:31.160 Another local story of a player that you and I 618 00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:33.880 have spoke about over the years, and I never really 619 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.480 understood the Jets being enamored enough with Zach Wilson to 620 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:40.680 draft him when they did. And I also understand BYU 621 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:43.839 fans that are blind and blue saying he landed in 622 00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:46.880 the wrong organization. There's merit there, for sure. He is 623 00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:49.319 getting a second chance, though, what do you think it 624 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:51.200 looks like? And will he be the backup by the way, 625 00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:53.799 the first choice backup to two in Miami. 626 00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:55.599 Yeah, I think he will be the backup to two 627 00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:58.200 in Miami. And I also think that because it'll be 628 00:27:58.200 --> 00:27:59.880 the backup to two in Miami, will probably see them 629 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:01.920 at some point. Right. That's just kind of what to 630 00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:04.680 his health situation usually ends up being. It's a good 631 00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:08.680 offense for him. The success of Zach Wilson. The good 632 00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:11.279 of Zach Wilson is the quick release, the ability to 633 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:13.839 throw off platform which is a non negotiable in this 634 00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:15.599 Dolphins offense. You have to get rid of the ball 635 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:18.079 very quickly. You have to be able to throw RPOs, 636 00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:20.240 you know, play action throw for some weird platforms. So 637 00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:22.480 I think it's an offense in which he can look good. 638 00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:26.680 And the nature of quarterbacking, and specifically quarterback two in 639 00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:29.039 the NFL is that if you got drafted early, you 640 00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:31.119 get like three or four cracks of this. Right, it's 641 00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:34.319 Baker Mayfield theorem. Right, who went to Carolina? It did 642 00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:36.079 not work. He was waived in all of the season. 643 00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:38.400 You went to the Rams started one random week. Okay, 644 00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:39.960 he goes to the Buccaneers on a one year, four 645 00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:42.279 million dollar deal. Bang, all of a sudden, we figured 646 00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:42.559 it out. 647 00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:42.799 Do you know? 648 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:45.240 Smith, same thing. A couple of backup spots before the 649 00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:48.559 Seattle success, Sam Donald, a couple of backup spots before 650 00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:51.119 the Minnesota success. Zach Wilson was the second overall pick. 651 00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:55.279 Everybody in the league knows his name, scouted him, watched 652 00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:58.079 one of his BYU games for multiple years, loved the 653 00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:00.920 arm talent, loved the mobility. He's going to keep getting 654 00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:02.960 bite of the apple. Right, He got his bite in 655 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:04.759 the apple in Denver. All Right, Bonix is good to 656 00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:06.000 worry about it. He's going to get his biting in 657 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.519 the apple in Miami. Maybe two. It does go down 658 00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:10.559 for eight weeks. Maybe Zachelson has a great eight weeks 659 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:12.200 and it gives him a chance to win a starting 660 00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:14.920 job somewhere else. Or maybe it never happens and he'll 661 00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:18.400 be the backup in Los Angeles. Rams and it's che McVay, 662 00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:20.880 and it's another bite. That's just when you're early drafted, 663 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:24.160 you get so many cracks of this that it's very 664 00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:26.720 likely you carvel a decent career as a QB two 665 00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:28.440 just by virtue of name recognition. 666 00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:29.599 All Right. 667 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:32.559 PAC twelve may rest in peace, even though it's been resurrected. 668 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:34.480 It's just a different league. But of course, as a 669 00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:36.960 result of the University of Utah's affiliation for a number 670 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:38.759 of years, we saw a lot of these quarterbacks play 671 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:40.359 up close. So I want to stick with the quarterbacks 672 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:43.240 and stick with some former Pac twelve quarterbacks. And it 673 00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:46.359 was a wild off season for Caleb Williams for a 674 00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:49.279 number of different reasons. You know, they have a new 675 00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:53.000 coach who's an offensive juggernaut at least that's his reputation, 676 00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:55.440 and they do have a loaded offensive roster. What does 677 00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:58.240 year two for Caleb Williams in Chicago look like? 678 00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:01.119 Ben, Yeah, So go back and you watch some like 679 00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:05.480 truly disastrous rookie quarterback seasons. You go back and you 680 00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:07.680 watch twenty eighteen Mitch Trubisky, and you go back, you 681 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:10.039 watch twenty twenty three Bryce Young, like the sort of 682 00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:12.039 seasons that we watched and we were like, dang, like 683 00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:14.920 this is just this might not be he might be done. 684 00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:17.480 And then you go and you watch Caleb. Caleb clearly 685 00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:19.839 had a better season than that group. He absolutely did. 686 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.920 Like statistically, it's born out, he's you know, higher yards 687 00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:25.119 for drop back, higher success right, Like he just was 688 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:27.519 overall a little bit more effective. But then when you 689 00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:31.240 watch it especially, you see more peak plays, more than 690 00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:33.720 ninety percentile, Holy smokes, how did he throw that? How 691 00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.279 did he escape that place? You see fewer like ten percentile? 692 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:39.720 What a disaster? What was he looking at? Horrible stack, 693 00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:42.480 horrible interception plays? And then the reality is that the 694 00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:45.400 plays in between the kind of average plays good plays, 695 00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:48.519 not so good plays just continues to fail at the 696 00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:51.720 feet of a extremely bad offensive system there in Chicago, 697 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:56.799 so poorly coached receivers constantly out of position, lazy routes, 698 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.119 bad pass production, bad rules, back flowing, the responsibility, a 699 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:04.079 horrible situational football like it just the incubator was so bad. 700 00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.000 Anybody who says, oh, you know, Zach Wilson ended up 701 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:08.920 in the bath spot with the Jets for as correct 702 00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:11.279 as they might be, like the Caleb Williams landing spot 703 00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:13.119 for the twenty twenty four Bears, and that Shane Waldron 704 00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:17.680 offense was deplorable, so you just assumed that the floor right. 705 00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:20.480 Just Williams. Again, we're not talking about the nineties percentile 706 00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:23.200 heroics plays got m drafted first overall, nor are we 707 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:26.200 talking about the terrible ten percentile plays he had. Bad misses. 708 00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:29.200 He takes these egregious acts. Just his middling plays, his 709 00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:32.400 average plays, are going to result in much more functional offenses. 710 00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:34.680 There's gonna be a lot more second and sixes, a 711 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:36.920 lot more third and fours in this offensive than were 712 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:38.920 last year, where it was second in tens and third 713 00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:42.519 and fifteen. Because the tide should rise around him that 714 00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:44.880 rising tide of Ben Johnson, that rising tide of better 715 00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.799 players should just lift all boats there in the Chicago offense. 716 00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:50.160 So I expect a much better year two. He's got 717 00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:52.000 to get the stack numbers down. God learned how to 718 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:53.440 get rid of the ball a little bit quicker. The 719 00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:55.759 lack of deep ball connections with Roma, Dunesday and DJ 720 00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:58.720 Mories are serious concerns. There's things to improve upon, But 721 00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:01.079 if he plays like exactly the same as he does 722 00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:03.359 as he did last year, there's no improvement. The Bear's 723 00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:04.720 offense is still is going to be a lot better 724 00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:07.160 because the other can around him, plus play color are 725 00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:08.279 just gonna be a lot more functional. 726 00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:10.119 I don't know if you heard Ben, but should Or 727 00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:11.640 Sanders fell the fifth round. 728 00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:13.319 I'm not sure if you caught. 729 00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:13.920 Win for me? 730 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:15.839 Yeah, all right, I'm breaking news on the radio. 731 00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:16.240 There you go. 732 00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:19.160 So the Browns QB room is Joe Flacco. Can he Pickett, 733 00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:22.279 Dylan Gabriel and should Or Sanders? Who comes out on top? 734 00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:23.920 Who's under center for the Browns this year? 735 00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:26.440 I asked me in August, Man, I got no idea. 736 00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:30.400 It's so it's about as bad of a quarterback room 737 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:33.880 situation and that I've ever heard of. I'll tell you 738 00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.400 what I what I believe to be true, what I 739 00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:39.319 believe confidently, and then I've got nothing for you afterwards. 740 00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:42.799 I don't think this team will keep Sanders and cut 741 00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:44.960 Dylan Gabriel. It would be shocking, right, It's gonna be 742 00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:47.440 hard to carry four quarterbacks already hard enough to carry three. 743 00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:49.559 And so if they are committed to flacout and they're 744 00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:52.119 committed to picket, I think that they're going to keep 745 00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:54.519 Dylan Gabriel. They drafted him two rounds earlier. He's not 746 00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:57.440 the you know, media headache that Sanders is. And then 747 00:32:57.440 --> 00:32:58.880 they'll cut Sanders and we'll see if they can get 748 00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:00.720 him back on the practice farder me somebody else will 749 00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:02.519 take them up. So I firmly believe that if they 750 00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:05.680 keep the two veterans, they keep Gabriel over Sanders, and 751 00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:07.799 un accordingly, Sanders would be a fifty three men cut 752 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:09.680 in August. Doesn't mean he won't make the practice squad 753 00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:11.759 and we won't see him play, which is that will 754 00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:14.000 be the transaction when we get the fifty three men 755 00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:16.240 roster cut. So I believe that to be true. And 756 00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:18.079 then the second thing I believe to be true, is 757 00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:20.519 that Kenny Picket's the worst quarterback in that group. I 758 00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:23.039 just I've seen enough Picket at the NFL level. I 759 00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:26.640 know that there's just there's a very thin window to 760 00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:29.680 the future for Kenny Picket. Physical attributes are not that strong. 761 00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:32.079 The mental attributes are really lacking over his time there 762 00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:34.319 in Pittsburgh. I don't think this is a good offensive 763 00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:36.519 system for him. It's very hard to imagine beating out 764 00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:39.960 just Joe Flacco and what Flacco has been in the 765 00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:42.039 past of the Browns, and so I do think that 766 00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:45.119 from a quality perspective, there's a way for Sanders to 767 00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:47.480 be the third best or maybe even better quarterback on 768 00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:50.480 that roster. But I'm not sure he's going to get 769 00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:52.279 that sort of a treatment over a veteran like Ticket 770 00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:53.880 for whom they traded it. Of course, they traded for 771 00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:56.359 Piket and then drafted two quarterbacks later. So I think 772 00:33:56.359 --> 00:33:58.519 he's a dart throw just like the rest of them. 773 00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:03.079 So again, I think I think Gabriel's on the roster 774 00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:05.119 for sure. I think Flack was on the roster for sure. 775 00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:07.000 I got nothing else through you after that. 776 00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:09.760 Fair enough, we've got a lot of Bronco fans around here, 777 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:12.360 and they've got a former Pack twelve quarterback under center. 778 00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:15.599 Year two, they had Evan Ingram, they grab r j 779 00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:17.960 Harvey in the second round, and they've got a good 780 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.519 young wide receiver group Courtland Sutton. Of course, really good 781 00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:23.760 year last year. What is year two for Denver look 782 00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:25.119 like with BONICKX under center. 783 00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:29.920 I think it's going to quite good. They knew they 784 00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:32.280 needed to get more weapons. They did a very nice job, 785 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:34.400 you know, kind of coloring in the best. They coued 786 00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:37.000 players like Marvin Min's last year and the big rotation 787 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:39.599 at tight end von Bele. And so they add ar 788 00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:41.840 Jie Harvey in the second round running back out of UCF, 789 00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:44.480 theyd Pat Bryant out of Illinois, third round wide receiver, 790 00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:47.079 to bring Evan Ingram the tight end like you brought up. 791 00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:51.280 Just to bring more weapons into the fold. Champagne's offense 792 00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:52.800 is always going to be an offense that sees a 793 00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:54.840 lot of mouths, and so it's not sort of offense 794 00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:57.400 where it's like, all right, we have Courtland Sutton, let's go, 795 00:34:57.639 --> 00:34:59.039 you know, trade for a star receiver. 796 00:34:59.119 --> 00:34:59.239 Now. 797 00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:00.800 They just kind of want to have bodies on bodies. 798 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:03.679 They big rotations. They have tons of personnel groupings, and 799 00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:06.039 that's how they say. They stay very multiple and they 800 00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:07.960 stay hard to deal with. It's gonna be a very 801 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:10.719 high floor offense. It's gonna be a very functional offense. 802 00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:12.559 That's what it was for the back half of last season. 803 00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.400 We've got to remember Nick started the season really rough, right. 804 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:18.400 It was had no touchdowns to four picks. He was 805 00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:19.960 one of the worst quarterbacks in the league by the 806 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.400 success rate time to throw. The water was up to 807 00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:24.239 his neck. He was kind of drinking through the fire 808 00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:27.199 hose the way the rookies often due. And then Sean 809 00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:30.079 did a nice job I think dialing back some of 810 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:32.079 what Boat was responsible for in the offense. They started 811 00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:33.880 throwing the ball behind the line of scrimmage, a lot 812 00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:36.880 swing passes, screens designed to check down, just get rid 813 00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:38.639 of the ball quickly. We had a lot of sprint 814 00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:40.800 out stuff that he was familiar with in college, and 815 00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:43.400 that eased his onboarding process. Got a lot more confident, 816 00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:45.239 got a lot more accurate as the season went on. 817 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:48.320 Very interesting to see how we come out of the 818 00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:50.239 gate in year two. If he is Boat ready for 819 00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:52.840 a bigger menu, or if we put a bigger menu 820 00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:54.280 in front of him. Is he going to have a 821 00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:56.000 regression again, We're going to kind of have to dial 822 00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:59.360 back his responsibility. So the floor is set quite nicely. 823 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:01.440 Sean Payton run great offense. They have a lot of weapons. 824 00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:03.639 The ceiling is bo and the ceiling is if you 825 00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:06.880 took a sophomore leap from a game management perspective, from 826 00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.840 aggressivest and throwing down the field perspective in year two. 827 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:11.800 That remains to be seen. We'll find out in September. 828 00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:14.559 Jordan Love played his college ball here in State and 829 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:16.760 of course sat behind Aaron for a minute, and then 830 00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:19.480 for two years he has started for the Packers under center, 831 00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:20.320 and he's been good. 832 00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:22.079 I don't think there's any debate about that. 833 00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:25.599 I mean, fifth last year in QBR twenty five touchdown passes, 834 00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:29.239 eleven and six. That's a tough division. It's tough to 835 00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:32.159 make a lot of headway there. But is there more 836 00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:34.719 in the tank? Do we see Jordan Love? You know, 837 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:37.199 while us a cliche, reach the next level this year? 838 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:40.280 Yeah, there is a next level to be reached. There 839 00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:42.840 absolutely is. Jordan Love last two seasons as a starter, 840 00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:45.760 he's had eleven interceptions in both of the seasons, thirty 841 00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:48.519 sacks in twenty twenty three, only fourteen in twenty twenty four. 842 00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:50.480 He cut down on the sack total, which is great, 843 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.800 but Love is a very aggressive pocket passer, and in 844 00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:58.079 a league that is increasingly scrambling and leave, it shows 845 00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.079 that quarterbacks want to get outside of the pocket, and 846 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.000 that the scramble is one of the most valuable plays 847 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:04.519 that we have. It turns a sack into a positive gain. 848 00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:08.079 It eliminates negatives and create positives. Love continues to just 849 00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:11.239 resist scrambling. He's got the movement skills, he does not 850 00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:13.440 really want to use them, and so we have a 851 00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:15.800 high interception player who did a good job cutting down 852 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:18.239 on the sacks, but doesn't create enough when he moves 853 00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:21.480 outside of the pocket. And accordingly that packers offense, which 854 00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:24.039 is good. It is a good offense, There's no doubt. 855 00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:26.280 I just did my top ten offense ranking SERIOSPN. They 856 00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:30.159 were in my top ten. They do have three four 857 00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:33.320 games a year where it just feels like they you know, 858 00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:35.320 le dou say right, they just come out flat and 859 00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:37.280 they totally miss and they can never get the engine going. 860 00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:40.000 And it's because they're so predicated on these explosives they 861 00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:42.599 pro downfield so much, they rip off these big games 862 00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:45.719 that when they're not there, they don't do enough to 863 00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:48.239 kind of keep the sticks moving, you know, scrambling instead 864 00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:50.440 of attempting those deep passes. Just move the sticks, get 865 00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:53.239 a new set of downs. They were third last year 866 00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:56.760 in explosive pass rate. They're only fifteenth in success rate, 867 00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:58.800 which is just a measurement of what percentage of your 868 00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:02.079 players are positive percentage. Your plays are expected to generate 869 00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:04.119 points for you, So they need to foot out, They 870 00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:05.679 need to be a little bit more consistent, and a 871 00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:08.039 lot of that falls on the quarterback and his decision 872 00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:11.039 making process. So love knocking on the door of top 873 00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:13.039 ten quarterbacks playing in the NFL right now. I think 874 00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:14.920 some people would have him in that top ten, and 875 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.480 deservedly so. But there is the next level to reach 876 00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:19.320 and a lot of it is the same growth you 877 00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.280 saw from Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen in their youth, 878 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:24.320 which is learning how to just take the positive play 879 00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:26.199 fight for another down when. 880 00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:27.400 You measured by proximity. 881 00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:31.079 Now, the closest pro football team to our little city 882 00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:33.719 out here is the Las Vegas Raiders, and Gino Smith 883 00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:37.119 is not a recent PAC twelve guy. But Chip Kelly 884 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.199 coaching the PAC twelve and so did Pete Carroll, so 885 00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:42.000 we have an interesting kind of new partnership. Yeah, what's 886 00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:44.400 it going to look like for Vegas with Gino Smith 887 00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:45.119 and Chip Kelly? 888 00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:46.239 What's that pairing going to look like? 889 00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:50.079 I'm extremely bullish. I think the Raiders are the team 890 00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:52.599 that I expect to potentially improves the most from their 891 00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:54.760 twenty twenty four win total to their twenty twenty five 892 00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:57.360 win total, which is a hard thing to say. In 893 00:38:57.400 --> 00:38:59.400 a division with the Chiefs, the Chargers, and the Broncos, 894 00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:01.480 they have to play a sixth game, but the Raiders 895 00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:03.599 tend to play their division game is very tight. I 896 00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:08.400 think that the Antonio Pierce Raiders were really poorly coached. 897 00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:10.280 I think that there's just a lot of meat left 898 00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:12.320 on the bone. I think that that team un rabbit 899 00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:14.159 of the season went on. You saw Devonty Adams force 900 00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:16.920 his way out via trade, like is a bad situation. 901 00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:19.800 Pete Cale is such an immediate floor raizer, such an 902 00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:23.159 immediate cultural culture setter. As far as the head coach goes, 903 00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:24.480 you know they're going to be serious. You know they're 904 00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:26.239 gona be successful. Away, they're going to be disciplined, they're 905 00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:28.400 going to be on top of of their schemes, and 906 00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:31.440 then so on and so forth. Then you throw in Chip, 907 00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:35.280 who I think Chip at the NFL head coach got 908 00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:37.480 too far over the skis and got too you know, 909 00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:40.920 obsessed with his own system and maximizing that and kind 910 00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:43.480 of just mid maxing for the spread and the tenth 911 00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:45.679 phone what have you. I think Gipboc is going to 912 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:48.400 have a nice more bridle on him right his second 913 00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:51.119 time here in the NFL, a little bit better understanding 914 00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:53.400 of what he can and can't get away with quarterback 915 00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:56.000 and Gino Smith is a very reliable trigger man who 916 00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:57.719 throws the ball exactly what's supposed to be when he's 917 00:39:57.719 --> 00:39:59.960 supposed to be there. He's smart, he's aggressive, he's accurate, 918 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.320 a young back and ashing gents you can take on 919 00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:04.360 a high volume of touches already in the NFL. And 920 00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:06.760 then brought Bowers, who just is like the coolest dude 921 00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.840 in the world. Bowers is going to be in the 922 00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:11.920 conversation for best tight end of football by this time 923 00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:13.400 next year, and like, I don't know if he's going 924 00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:15.320 to be it. George KITT's still round Tree mc bride 925 00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:16.840 a good players, but he's going to be in that 926 00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:19.519 conversation because he's such a unique and youthful player at 927 00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:21.280 the tight end position. I think they're going to be 928 00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:23.159 quite good. The Raiders too. I think they're gonna be 929 00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:25.880 better than five hundred knocking on the wall card race pretty. 930 00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:26.159 Much the whole way. 931 00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:30.079 Two deared question, last quarterback question. Then I've got one 932 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:32.280 more for you, Ben that I'll set you loose. So Minnesota, 933 00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:35.519 to no one's surprise, really will ride with JJ McCarthy 934 00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:38.840 and Sam Darnold, who, as I've told you before, when 935 00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:41.119 the Jets drafted Sam, I'm like, Okay, finally this is 936 00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:44.000 the guy didn't turn out that way makes his way 937 00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:46.760 out to the Pacific Northwest to play for the Seahawks. 938 00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:49.159 So what do you make of Minnesota's decision? What do 939 00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:50.719 you think it's going to look like with JJ? And 940 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:52.519 then your thoughts on Sam in Seattle? 941 00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:57.159 Yeah, Minnesota, you had to like read some key leaves, 942 00:40:57.159 --> 00:40:59.400 but you also don't because they drafted j Jim McCarthy 943 00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:01.239 tenth overall, they very clearly like him and they think 944 00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:03.559 he's going to be the future. They were talking to 945 00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:05.960 Sam Donald about contracts. I don't think the door was 946 00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:09.639 shut on Sam Donald coming back and competing with JJ, 947 00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:12.599 essentially holding that job as JJ came back, But they 948 00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:14.079 got priced out of where they wanted to be on 949 00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:17.000 the Sam Donald market. They one hundred percent checked on 950 00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:19.559 the veteran quarterback market after Sam Right, there was Aaron 951 00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:21.960 Rodgers rumors, but they were, you know, doing all their 952 00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:24.079 homework on all the quarterbacks. They didn't really have a 953 00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:27.519 QB two as well as not necessarily having a QB one, right, 954 00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:31.360 they didn't have a good backup behind Donald or scum 955 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:34.159 mean bye McCarthy once Donald lesson in free agency. And 956 00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:36.960 so do you read into that as a lack of 957 00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:38.679 faith in McCarthy or do you just think, hey, they 958 00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:40.719 wanted to find a veteran QB two because it's good 959 00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:42.440 to have a veteran QB two in the NFL. You know, 960 00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:45.639 you're you're a little bit prognosticating from the outside. The 961 00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:49.000 long and the short of it that Kevin O'Connell's extremely good. 962 00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:51.639 He deserves to be mentioned in the air of Stomac 963 00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:54.960 Bay and Kyle Shanahan. He is extremely good at coaching 964 00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:57.719 around a quarterback and he has a rookie that he 965 00:41:57.760 --> 00:41:59.880 hand selected who was spent now a year in the 966 00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:02.079 to me even if he wasn't physically able to do anything, 967 00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:05.679 and he showed O'Connell shot was last year his ability 968 00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:07.360 to work around a quarterback in the past the game 969 00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:09.719 and creates most of the games out of average quarterback play. 970 00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:12.719 And now they've made huge investments in the running game right. 971 00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:15.360 They have three new interior offensive linemen from last year 972 00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:17.559 into this year. Donovan Jackson the rookie at left guard, 973 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:20.360 Will Fries at right guard, Ryan kellyott center. They added 974 00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:22.760 Jordan Mason from the forty nine ers to be a 975 00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:25.679 good ball carrier for them as well. Like they might 976 00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:28.719 even be better of a quarterback incubator than they were previously. 977 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:32.039 So McCarthy could be the twenty fourth best quarterback in 978 00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:33.760 the NFL and they might still go eleven and six 979 00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:36.920 just because of how good that offensive infrastructure has become. 980 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:39.280 So a lot of faith in Minnesota, even if you 981 00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:40.840 know there were a couple of red flags over the 982 00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:43.960 course of this offseason, and then Donald and Seattle, I 983 00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:45.519 don't know what to tell you. I mean, I think 984 00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:48.519 they downgraded Geno to Sam. I think that's pretty clear 985 00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:50.480 when you'll get those guys last few years of starting 986 00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:53.639 Clinton Kobiak Obviously, the new OC there in Seattle spent 987 00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:55.840 time with Sam when they were together in San Francisco, 988 00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:59.159 so there's some scheme comfort there. It's not a dissimilar 989 00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:01.920 to scheme to what Sam ran with the Vikings, but 990 00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:04.480 instead of doing it with Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison 991 00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.000 and TG Hawkins, and you're doing it with Cooper Cup 992 00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:09.599 and Jackson Smith and Jigbu and Noah Fan. It's just 993 00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:11.960 not the same caliber weapons. The off of the line 994 00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:13.760 there in Seattle is not too strong either, and we 995 00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:15.599 know the one thing that Sam really can't deal with 996 00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:19.719 this pressure. I understand why they're taking the you know, 997 00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:22.960 quote unquote low risk swing on seeing a Sam Donald's 998 00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:25.199 career resurgence is legit, but I think the cost of 999 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:27.079 moving on from Gino was too much. So I'm not 1000 00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:29.719 too excited about what we'll see from Sam and Seattle, 1001 00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:31.599 but rooting for the guy because if you can turn 1002 00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:33.159 this career around, that'll be a cool thing to say. 1003 00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:34.840 Last thing, Bat, I'll set you loose on this. 1004 00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:37.519 According to Vegas, they're telling us that the Eagles, the 1005 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:39.960 Chiefs the Ravens and the Bills and the Lions. Those 1006 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:43.119 five teams are the safest bets to win the Super 1007 00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:45.199 Bowl this year. So my two tiered question before I 1008 00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:46.840 say you loose is do you believe the super Bowl 1009 00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:50.199 winner will come from that group? And if there's a 1010 00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:52.880 team outside of that, you know that group of five, 1011 00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:53.920 who may that be? 1012 00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:55.079 Yeah? 1013 00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:57.599 So I think anytime you give me Chiefs, Ravens, Bills, 1014 00:43:57.639 --> 00:43:59.400 I want to have that group. I just think that 1015 00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:03.360 be the top tier of the AFC is so clear 1016 00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:05.679 the Bills and the Ravens are just miles out of 1017 00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:08.880 anybody from a roster perspective, quarterback play perspective. And then 1018 00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:10.960 even if the Chiefs have their works as they clearly 1019 00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:13.079 do proof the putting in the e and we can't 1020 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:15.119 count them out of this thing. They were like awful 1021 00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:17.159 and offense last years and they still made it. So 1022 00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:19.559 anytime I get that group, I'm taking that group. And 1023 00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:21.400 if you give me the Egels and the Lions, as 1024 00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:23.800 Cherry's on top, I think it's more likely than not 1025 00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:25.880 your super Bowl winners and that five. And outside of 1026 00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:28.440 that five, I will say that to me, the odd 1027 00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:30.440 man out in that group is the Lions. You lose 1028 00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:34.280 both your coordinators, your longtime center, and Frank ragnow retires. 1029 00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:37.320 This is a team that's been close to not quite 1030 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:39.199 in the cheaper years. Now they're starting to get a 1031 00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:41.599 little bit more expensive, so it's hard to see them 1032 00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:44.320 kind of making the improvements in the margins of the 1033 00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.360 roster that they need to. Jared Goff, just as as 1034 00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:50.440 a Super Bowl quarterback does not inspire me the way 1035 00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:52.519 that you're gonna get from Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar 1036 00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:54.599 Jackson and to the Lions. To me read it the 1037 00:44:54.639 --> 00:44:57.119 odd team out. I would be more willing to put 1038 00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:00.920 a Matthew Stafford led Rams team tea or a Baker 1039 00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:03.159 Mayfield led Buccaneers team. To be honest, think the Buccaneers 1040 00:45:03.159 --> 00:45:05.840 gonna be very good this year. In that NFC conversation, 1041 00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:08.280 not necessarily ahead of the Lions, but I think the 1042 00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:10.239 Lions deserve to be in the tier with the Rams 1043 00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:12.119 and the Bucks, not up there with the Eagles, who 1044 00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:14.920 are the understandable and presumed favorites in the NFC. 1045 00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:17.320 Ben good stuff, My friend will set you loose. But 1046 00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:19.880 just so you know, I've got a great testosterone guy, 1047 00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:20.639 just hit me up. 1048 00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:21.440 I can send him you away. 1049 00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:24.599 Okay, Yeah, I'm worried about this now of my career. 1050 00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:25.400 All right. 1051 00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:28.039 The great Ben Solac covers the NFL for ESPN. Get 1052 00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.440 him on Twitter at Benjamin Solac is where you find him. 1053 00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:33.400 We've been having been on the show for about well 1054 00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:36.199 in August, it will be six years, and it's been 1055 00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:38.079 fun to watch him rise through the ranks. Man, He's 1056 00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:41.239 a bright kid, does a really good job of analyzing 1057 00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:44.000 the league for ESPN. So at Benjamin Solac is where 1058 00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:46.760 you find him on social. It would be the final 1059 00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:49.960 day of the NBA season and for Duane Elton John, 1060 00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:51.440 I'm gonna need a little tiny dance And I know 1061 00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:54.079 it's cliche, but we need a little almost famous vibe 1062 00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:55.280 on the show today. 1063 00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:57.000 It could be the final day of the pro. 1064 00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:59.719 Basketball season as Oklahoma City is looking to eliminate the. 1065 00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:00.840 India the Pacers tonight. 1066 00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:04.400 The Pacers just took the floor eight minutes ago for 1067 00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:07.880 their pregame walk through, and during that walk through, the 1068 00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:11.599 status of Tyreese Saliburton will be determined by the medical staff. 1069 00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:13.320 We probably won't know until Tip. 1070 00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:19.440 Live in studio injury experts, among other things, Chris Cameronnie 1071 00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:21.440 I always get a kick out of guys in our 1072 00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:23.800 business when there's like an injured player who just played 1073 00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:27.920 doctor on air or on TV. Strain calf could lead 1074 00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:29.960 to a torn achilles all the things. 1075 00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:31.559 Do you have any is that what he's doing? Yeah, 1076 00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:32.119 strain calf? 1077 00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:33.840 Do you have any hot medical takes for us on 1078 00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:36.320 Tyree Saliburton's status. Well, I've heard that a strained calf 1079 00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:39.440 can lead to an achilles. That's the take today. I've 1080 00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:41.079 heard that twenty five times today. 1081 00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:44.599 People are probably just lazy and assuming that a strained 1082 00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:47.760 calf that Kevin Durant suffered six or seven years ago 1083 00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:50.239 in the finals that led to a torn achilles could 1084 00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:52.840 potentially do the same thing. I know there is a correlation, 1085 00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:54.360 so you can't discount that. 1086 00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:55.960 Sure, sure, but. 1087 00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:00.440 My Haliburton take is the Pacers probably need how Burton 1088 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:01.480 to win Game six. 1089 00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:03.840 Good take, good take, good take. 1090 00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:04.679 Is it gonna happen? 1091 00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:07.840 I don't think so. I mean, I picked Oklahoma City 1092 00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:10.800 in five. It's a it's a historic season. When you 1093 00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:12.559 look at the metrics, and you know me, I'm a 1094 00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:14.000 data guy, analytics. 1095 00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:14.679 Let's get into it. 1096 00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:17.639 Yeah, their net was plus thirteen, what about their pr? 1097 00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:20.440 The pr is a little bit dated. TK Okay, so 1098 00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:23.880 you know, okay, yeah, God bless John Hollinger. Okay, but 1099 00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:25.599 the pr is a little bit dated. Have you ever 1100 00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:27.599 been aggregated, by the way. 1101 00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:33.400 Yes, but not for like online stuff, more just stories 1102 00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:38.480 I got. I got aggregated up the wazoo when I 1103 00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:40.800 went and hung out with Stone Cold Steve Austin, because like, 1104 00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:42.360 he doesn't give a lot of interviews. 1105 00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:42.760 Yeah. 1106 00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:46.519 Yeah, so all of the wrestling blog websites aggregated a 1107 00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:50.119 lot of my stuff. And one of my colleagues, Chris Vanini, 1108 00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:54.559 national writer at at the Athletic, is a huge wrestling fan, 1109 00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:58.239 and he was like, dude, this this aggregated tweet has 1110 00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:01.440 like over like a thousand and retweets in like an hour, 1111 00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:05.800 and it was just basically somebody rewriting the most interesting 1112 00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:07.519 things that Steve told me in our interview. 1113 00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:11.119 Well, somebod who doesn't frequent wrestling blogs. I guess that's 1114 00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:13.960 why I was unaware that you were aggregated for Stone Cold. 1115 00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:17.199 You have, over the course of your career doing this. 1116 00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:20.039 How long have you been doing this in media? Thirteen fourteen, 1117 00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:24.199 thirteen years. You've interviewed a lot of really fascinating characters. 1118 00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:26.199 And one of the things I like about your work 1119 00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:28.000 is you really do think out of the box. So 1120 00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:32.039 I've heard cliche things say, is there one that stands out? 1121 00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:35.039 Like instantly if I say to you, most interesting conversation 1122 00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:37.119 you've ever had in your life. 1123 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:38.679 As a journalist is the record? Yeah? Is there one 1124 00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:39.360 that stands. 1125 00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:42.519 Out if we're talking on the record, honestly, it might 1126 00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:44.519 be recency ad biased, but it might be my days 1127 00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:48.960 in Hawaii with Trevor Rightley. Yeah, like honestly, like just 1128 00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:54.199 because for about forty eight hours, Trevor and I were 1129 00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:58.920 basically on the record driving around the Big Island about 1130 00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:03.039 anything from the University of Utah football recruiting to Dion 1131 00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:09.400 Sanders to visiting the Middle East and how you go 1132 00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:13.360 about making sure you don't have any cultural you know, 1133 00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:17.400 misguided mis cues all those things. Yeah. I mean, my 1134 00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:20.039 my brain's been fried since becoming a parent, so I'll 1135 00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:23.960 go recency biases definitely, Trevor. But there there are there 1136 00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:27.920 are other ones. I mean even last year Steve's up there. 1137 00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:30.239 There's a lot of them. Man, I'm gonna have to 1138 00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:37.960 circle back to was really good? Yeah, Yes, sometimes people 1139 00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:42.400 are interesting sometimes their stories are more interesting. Like a 1140 00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:47.719 few years ago, I went out to Colorado to to 1141 00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:51.920 do a story on Trey McBride, who is second. You know, 1142 00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:54.159 he was the second round pick of the Cardinals and 1143 00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:56.000 now he's one of the highest paid t I think 1144 00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:58.639 he is the highest paid tight end in the NFL. 1145 00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:02.480 Went to Colorado State and he was raised by two moms, 1146 00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:05.320 and that that I don't really don't really have a 1147 00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:08.559 lot of historical context for NFL players who were raised 1148 00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:10.679 by two moms. So I went out there and spent 1149 00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:13.679 two days with them and got to hang out at 1150 00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:16.400 their house, go with them while they did meals on 1151 00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:19.519 wheels and all the stuff. And it was very very cool. 1152 00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:22.480 So there are interesting people and then there are people 1153 00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:26.480 who have very very cool stories. Sure, there's a lot. 1154 00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:28.800 I'm gonna have to circle back because my brain is 1155 00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:30.320 a little mushy since you. 1156 00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:35.679 Know, when my phone rings and it's Trevor, Yeah, I go, okay, 1157 00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:36.239 here we go. 1158 00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:37.719 What's what's there to happen? 1159 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:42.079 Because you dude, you never know ever, Like truly, I 1160 00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:45.360 cannot predict what's about to happen. And every conversation includes 1161 00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:49.199 some wild twist and turn where you at what are 1162 00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:52.039 you doing for work? You know, Like I can't say 1163 00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:53.639 what he told me as far as what he's going 1164 00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:55.199 to do next the last time I talked to him, 1165 00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:57.400 But it's a completely different thing than what he's been doing. 1166 00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:02.760 It's it's interesting, like the people like that. A lot 1167 00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:06.760 of most people would assume that they're usually bloviating or 1168 00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:11.599 or more often than not, stretching the truth. But in 1169 00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:14.280 my time with Trevor, everything that sounded too good to 1170 00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:16.920 be true actually was true. There's a lot of people 1171 00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:19.400 that are like that. Some people are just very good storytellers. 1172 00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:23.599 Some people have very interesting lived life experience. So it's like, yeah, 1173 00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:26.639 I mean, I know Trevor had a very interesting lived 1174 00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:30.039 experience working for Deon Sanders, but like the guy got 1175 00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:34.559 into a physical altercation with his assistant coach, like it 1176 00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:37.559 was caught on video and like Warren Sap is narrating it, 1177 00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:42.639 Like I appreciate people like Trevor who are a DIMA 1178 00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:46.239 doesn't in the sports in the sports world because he 1179 00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:51.960 doesn't necessarily have time for the he what's the word, like, 1180 00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:56.599 he doesn't necessarily like cow taw to what most people 1181 00:51:56.679 --> 00:52:00.239 expect to be like the norm in that he just 1182 00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:01.880 going to tell you the truth and what happened. And 1183 00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:05.880 he's not going to like, maybe you know, what's the 1184 00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:08.920 word I'm looking for here. He's just going to tell 1185 00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:12.960 you what happened, and that's you generally, what happened the norm. 1186 00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:15.599 He's just yeah, I mean like he told me that. 1187 00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:18.239 You know, back in the day, you know, Utah's sids 1188 00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:20.960 were always like shaking in their boots anytime Trevor was 1189 00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:23.440 requested to talk as a player, because Trevor was just 1190 00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:27.360 going to be like, yeah, UCLA's quarterback sucks, right, yeah, 1191 00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:30.239 And it's just like you don't get guys like that 1192 00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:32.760 in this industry really ever. So when you get them, 1193 00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:34.679 you have to appreciate what they can offer for you. 1194 00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:37.719 Well, it's a dream for people like us because what 1195 00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:38.760 it's turned. 1196 00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:41.280 Into because he does, sorry to interrupted me, because he 1197 00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:45.159 doesn't expect any sort of reciprocation, which is also which 1198 00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:48.000 is maybe where you were going in this day and 1199 00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:50.760 age where it's kind of like scratch my backs, I'll 1200 00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:54.320 scratch yours, which is not how my job goes. And 1201 00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:56.400 I mean Trevor's proman he played in the NFL for 1202 00:52:56.440 --> 00:52:59.000 like six years. He played here, he knows how it goes. 1203 00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:01.760 Whereas a lot of people who either make it to 1204 00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:05.679 that level or even don't generally are operating in a 1205 00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:10.800 realm of maybe maybe mistrust, because it's it's not easy 1206 00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:12.800 to trust people that you don't know that well or 1207 00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:16.960 entrust them with your story or your word. But Trevor 1208 00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:19.960 is the type of person that will just tell you 1209 00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:22.880 and move on like he's not he's not thinking about it. 1210 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:25.000 You know, as soon as I filed my story, it 1211 00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:26.559 wasn't one of those things where it's like, oh, I 1212 00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:28.440 wonder if Trevor's going to be pissed about what's in 1213 00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:28.840 the story. 1214 00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:29.079 Yeah. 1215 00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:31.000 Yeah, it was like the next time I heard from him, 1216 00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:33.000 it wasn't like you even talk about it. 1217 00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:35.519 Probably wasn't even on his radar, correct, right? Who would 1218 00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:39.599 play Trevor in the biopic Chris Pratt? 1219 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:42.760 No, God, no, come on, how dare you? 1220 00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:45.119 I just try to think of like action because I 1221 00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:48.719 always used to Trevor and I did a ton of 1222 00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:50.599 radio back in the day together, a lot of pre 1223 00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:54.199 adf and post game football, you know, for both Utah 1224 00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:56.599 and BYU. And he would roll in studio for an 1225 00:53:56.599 --> 00:53:58.679 hour at the old station. And he still rolls in 1226 00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:01.599 here when he's in town, and he would tell me 1227 00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:06.280 these stories off air that were so wild yet to 1228 00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:10.000 your point, true that they actually happened. And I started 1229 00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:11.920 telling I'm like, you're Batman, dude, like you're a real 1230 00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:14.559 life that you're the real life Batman. It's it's wild 1231 00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:17.199 to consider all the nutty things our guy has really 1232 00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:18.079 gotten himself into. 1233 00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:21.679 The problem is is guys who are funny generally aren't 1234 00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:26.000 six or five Keanu Reeves, Yeah, Kiana is not funny enough, 1235 00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:31.880 like Kno was like stoner funny, like this Billtad. We're 1236 00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:34.840 gonna have to circle back on this. Let's take let's table, 1237 00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:36.920 let's table it like that, right, it might come to me. 1238 00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:39.639 But what I was gonna say is the reason Trevor 1239 00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:42.800 is such a breath of fresh air. And I don't 1240 00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:44.920 really know when to pinpoint this as far as when 1241 00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:49.039 it happened, but like I have stopped following athletes on 1242 00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:52.639 social media, like I don't need to follow Steph where 1243 00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:54.920 it's like all right, game time, or Donovan like Cava, 1244 00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:58.920 Like you don't get anything interesting from most of these athletes. 1245 00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:01.000 Now that's not a blanket statement. That's true for all 1246 00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:01.360 of them. 1247 00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:04.360 But whether it's a coach or a player sitting down 1248 00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:07.079 with a journalist like you, doing an interview with a 1249 00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:09.920 radio host like me, or addressing the media post game, 1250 00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:14.960 it's rare that you get something that is anything other 1251 00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:17.800 than boilerplate cliche, walk the company line. 1252 00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:19.559 But you know why that is. But it didn't used 1253 00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:20.159 to be that way. 1254 00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:25.199 Yeah, I mean, it used to be that beat writers 1255 00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:31.159 reporters were entrusted with the word of the athlete because 1256 00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:33.960 there wasn't social media. The Internet really hadn't taken off. 1257 00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:36.840 And even like within the last I would say, the 1258 00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:41.039 last five to seven years, that's changed. Even as Twitter started, 1259 00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:44.880 you were still you still hadn't seen the marketing, the 1260 00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:49.840 monetization of the social media platforms my story and my 1261 00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:54.960 own words. And that's fine. I don't necessarily get frustrated 1262 00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:59.639 that athletes no longer give the scoop to You know, 1263 00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:02.199 a a lot of these guys are writing the players 1264 00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:06.639 tribune stuff, and oftentimes they're they're very, very good. Sometimes 1265 00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:09.119 you know, they come on the fourth of July in 1266 00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:12.639 consecutive years. Sometimes you know, your Fourth of July is 1267 00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:14.679 ruined and key time Gordon too big. 1268 00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:18.480 But we need to bring back a little too big. 1269 00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:23.760 Yeah we do. But yeah, it that that that is 1270 00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:25.639 a reality check topic. 1271 00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:26.320 I like that. 1272 00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:28.920 We could we could spend hours and hours on that. 1273 00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:29.599 Yeah. 1274 00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:33.840 Yeah, it's just interesting and consider any other. So Trevor 1275 00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:37.360 Riley certainly good answer the question from a local standpoint. 1276 00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:40.639 I mean, I don't mean to butter you up. 1277 00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:42.440 You're very good at your job, so you get good 1278 00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:45.039 things from Kyle when you sit down with Kyle. You 1279 00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:48.480 get good things from you know, our local players and 1280 00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:50.400 coaches when you have access to them. Is there any 1281 00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:53.960 other whether it's Jazz or BYU or even RSL or 1282 00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:57.480 the University of Utah, any other notable interviews or stories 1283 00:56:57.519 --> 00:56:59.880 you've done that really stand out or characters kind of 1284 00:56:59.880 --> 00:57:01.400 like in the elk of trav. 1285 00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:04.599 Quinn's The Quinn Profile. 1286 00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:05.079 I did. 1287 00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:08.880 I think the year after it was not the year 1288 00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:11.880 that they beat Okay, see when they had Paul George 1289 00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:15.119 and Russ and Carmelos the year after, so they were 1290 00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:17.159 still kind of on their upward trajectory. 1291 00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:19.880 The reason you know that so well is because Ricky 1292 00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:22.840 Rubio played for the Jazz and people people confused me 1293 00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:23.119 for you. 1294 00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:24.880 Sorry, man, you just look like. 1295 00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:26.760 It when I when I would go to the ZBBC, 1296 00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:30.280 fans were waiting outside asking for interviews, and one time 1297 00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:33.519 somebody like basically almost stepped out in front of my 1298 00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:36.320 crappy rusty Sue Brew and it was like Ricky and 1299 00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:36.800 I was like. 1300 00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:38.920 Come on, man, didn't you have a Rubio kit? 1301 00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:39.760 Yeah? 1302 00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:42.639 I was gifted a Rubio kit? Yeah do you want? 1303 00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:43.920 I mean, you know who gave. 1304 00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:44.079 It to me? 1305 00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:45.719 I would guess it was fault. 1306 00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:50.400 Yeah, it's not Antonio Daniels Vancouver kid. Oh by the way, 1307 00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:53.519 real quick before you continue, Trav had no frame of 1308 00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:56.639 reference we were talking about because we we're gonna play 1309 00:57:56.719 --> 00:57:58.519 was at chun you know, we're gonna get up and 1310 00:57:58.559 --> 00:57:59.400 we're wash out. 1311 00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:00.599 Yeah, you didn't gone to the text. 1312 00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:02.320 So I had a busy couple of days, bro, did 1313 00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:04.000 you Okay? I had a busy couple of days. But 1314 00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:04.599 we're so I was. 1315 00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:07.079 I was talking to Trav about it because Trav was 1316 00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:09.599 doing the finals and for our listeners. Travis Henderson, the 1317 00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:15.239 supremely talented executive producer of Jazz Broadcast Games, is currently 1318 00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:17.480 broadcast in the NBA Finals. Our guy could do what 1319 00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:22.519 he does, like people in our market don't know how talented. 1320 00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:25.559 Travis Sanderson is like, he is a gem to have here. 1321 00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:28.280 So he's currently doing the finals, but we're going back 1322 00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:31.840 and forth about our Washatch weekend and he didn't know 1323 00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:34.400 the Antonio, he didn't know the context. He's like, is 1324 00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:37.320 he gonna wear that Antonio Daniel Daniel Jersey again, I'm 1325 00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:40.199 like probably, Like he's like, where did he get that? 1326 00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:43.920 I'm like, your boy over here. It's a great story too. 1327 00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:45.880 It's a great story. I can't believe you found it 1328 00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:49.679 in such good condition. Yeah, like it's I mean, it's 1329 00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:52.159 got to be at least twenty years old and it 1330 00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:52.559 fits you. 1331 00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:55.239 It's great. Like, like I said, it's in great condition. 1332 00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:56.639 It's on a hangar in my closet. 1333 00:58:56.679 --> 00:58:57.280 That a guy. 1334 00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:00.360 It was literally the only one online I did a 1335 00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:01.639 bunch of it was eBay. 1336 00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:04.559 I found it on eBay. But for our listeners, c K. 1337 00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:06.639 You were in studio with Amy I think. 1338 00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:06.960 Yeah. 1339 00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:07.840 It was during COVID. 1340 00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:09.559 During COVID, so stuff was weird. 1341 00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:09.960 Yeah. 1342 00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:12.400 Yeah, we both had man buns. Yeah, and we were. 1343 00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:15.519 You talked about like I dropped like an Antonio Daniel's 1344 00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:17.239 reference and you were like, if you can name the 1345 00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:20.719 first team that Antonio Daniels played for I'll give you 1346 00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:22.159 a hundred bucks, and I was like, if I can 1347 00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:23.800 name him, I'll take a jersey. 1348 00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:25.800 And then that's close, was it? 1349 00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:28.320 So what happened was no, you brought up the fact 1350 00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:32.960 Jazz fans were mad that Antonio Daniels had something critical 1351 00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:35.400 to say about Donovan and my thing was like, why 1352 00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:37.840 do we care what Antonio Daniels says? And I said 1353 00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:39.199 to the two of you, if you can name the 1354 00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:42.960 team that drafted Antonio Daniels, I'll give you one thousand dollars. 1355 00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:45.159 That's how convinced I was. You weren't gonna be able 1356 00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.519 to do it. Taken that and you didn't even pump 1357 00:59:47.559 --> 00:59:51.480 fake boom Vancouver Grizzlies. And then because you're a gentleman, 1358 00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:54.719 you said, I will accept an Antonio Daniel's jersey instead 1359 00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:55.400 of a thousand dollars. 1360 00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:57.039 It's the best jersey in the history of the NBA. 1361 00:59:57.119 --> 01:00:00.800 It's a great jersey and segue. Antonio dani also played 1362 01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:03.280 for the Seattle SuperSonics. He did who once upon a 1363 01:00:03.320 --> 01:00:05.960 time where the Seattle SuperSonics before they were the Oklahoma 1364 01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:06.480 City Thunder. 1365 01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:08.719 Yes, yes, yes he did. Since you brought that up 1366 01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:10.280 real quick. We got a couple of minutes here in 1367 01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:13.320 this segment before we break. I think the NBA is 1368 01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:15.400 going to approve expansion this year. Really, I think in 1369 01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:17.559 the off season. I don't know this to be true, 1370 01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:19.159 but the more and more I read into it, the 1371 01:00:19.159 --> 01:00:22.000 more and more I talk to people, there's a lot 1372 01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:24.920 of momentum to get a team back in Seattle and 1373 01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:26.400 then have one in Las Vegas. 1374 01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:29.480 I think that is going to be approved this offseason. 1375 01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:29.840 Now. 1376 01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:32.800 The undercurrent of the Vegas team is that Lebron wants 1377 01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:35.000 to be an owner, and so a lot of people 1378 01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:38.400 believe that Adam Silver is kind of brokering that deal 1379 01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:39.119 behind the scenes. 1380 01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:41.199 And Lebron has one year left on his contract. 1381 01:00:41.679 --> 01:00:43.320 He got his kid a job in the league, so 1382 01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:45.480 I think he's probably ready to step aside, and then 1383 01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:48.119 he'll probably be the face. 1384 01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:49.519 Of the Vegas NBA franchise. 1385 01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:51.360 I don't know what the Seattle situation is going to 1386 01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:53.880 look like, but it was announced yesterday ck that the 1387 01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:58.280 La Lakers were sold. And when you dig into this, 1388 01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:01.679 and then you look at the new owners in Dallas, 1389 01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:05.760 and you look at the new owners in Phoenix, Ishpia 1390 01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:11.599 and potentially Lebron and his crew in Vegas with deep 1391 01:01:11.599 --> 01:01:15.440 pocketed investors, and I would imagine plenty of Titans of 1392 01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:18.760 industry up in Seattle. So whoever gets that organization? The 1393 01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:20.800 reason I'm bringing it up is the Lakers were sold 1394 01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:26.239 to a gentleman who currently owns the Dodgers, and man, 1395 01:01:26.719 --> 01:01:27.519 where's his name here? 1396 01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:28.039 Mark Walter? 1397 01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:30.360 Mark Walter, thank you? So Mark Walter is currently the 1398 01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:33.679 owner of the Dodgers. He tried to buy the Clippers. 1399 01:01:33.920 --> 01:01:37.119 He was outbid by Steve Balmer. Steve Balmer has a 1400 01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:40.360 net worth of one hundred and thirty billion dollars. This 1401 01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:45.480 Mark Walter gentleman allegedly or reportedly has a net worth 1402 01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:47.480 that is in that cul de sac one hundred and 1403 01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:53.039 thirty billion dollars. The money that's coming into like, I 1404 01:01:53.079 --> 01:01:57.079 don't know Qualtricks financials. When Ryan bob the team, the 1405 01:01:58.519 --> 01:02:02.000 number I saw was, wasn't it well less than two? 1406 01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:05.360 I think Qualtricks The Qualtrics valuation I think was twenty 1407 01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:06.159 twenty four billion. 1408 01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:07.480 Oh, I was talking about the Jazz sale. 1409 01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:10.360 The Jazz sale, Ryan paid eight hundred million for it. 1410 01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:13.960 And then I think with investors, let's see porter, will 1411 01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:15.880 you look up what Ryan bought the Jazz war please, 1412 01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:20.079 so I think it was approaching to it was over one, right, 1413 01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:22.920 so one point four one point five maybe closer to two. 1414 01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:25.599 Ryan himself wrote a check for eight hundred million. 1415 01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:28.719 And again I don't really know the financials of Qualtrics 1416 01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:32.280 or Ryan, but Ryan, his brother, his dad at the time, 1417 01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:34.840 moved tragically has passed, and one of their business partners 1418 01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:38.239 I believe, split it four ways. Obviously Ryan has investors 1419 01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:44.239 other than his own bank account. But there's this movement 1420 01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:48.559 and momentum in the NBA now where even if you 1421 01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:51.639 have five six billion dollars, one point six billion dollars 1422 01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:55.480 was the price tech like when so Ryan put up 1423 01:02:55.480 --> 01:02:57.320 half of that. So when Ryan took over the team, 1424 01:02:57.400 --> 01:03:00.400 the narrative was, well, okay, we've got a tech bro 1425 01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:02.440 that has deeper pockets than the Miller's. 1426 01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:04.280 I don't know if that's the case anymore. 1427 01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:07.719 Like there's a world now where Ryan is no longer 1428 01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:10.639 this guy that has such deep pockets, Like if there 1429 01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:16.000 are one hundred and thirty billion dollars, you'll pay whatever 1430 01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:19.559 you want to for your NBA team. I mean, Mark, 1431 01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:22.599 the guy that just bought the Lakers, owns the Dodgers. 1432 01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:26.320 Their payroll is one hundred and forty million dollars more 1433 01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:28.559 than whoever is in second. I think it might be 1434 01:03:28.599 --> 01:03:31.440 the Angels. The Yankees are actually in fourth. There's like 1435 01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:33.920 this movement now where these guys have monopoly money and 1436 01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:36.719 it might even make the playing field more uneven if 1437 01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:39.159 they don't give a rip about luxury tax or second apron. 1438 01:03:39.320 --> 01:03:43.199 Yeah. I don't know how much that affects the jazz though, 1439 01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:44.920 because at the end of the day, the jazz are 1440 01:03:44.920 --> 01:03:48.599 never going to outbid anybody for free agents. So like that, 1441 01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:54.440 that might affect the the New York, Chicago, Dallas, LA. Markets. 1442 01:03:54.679 --> 01:03:57.559 Maybe it'll affect the Vegas market if that comes to fruition. 1443 01:03:57.880 --> 01:03:59.920 But for Salt Egg, for the jazz, that's never gonna 1444 01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:03.480 affect the people working for them here because you have 1445 01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:06.280 to be able to strike the lottery four or five 1446 01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:09.719 times in a decade in order to build a contender. 1447 01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:13.320 And I didn't mean. I didn't mean to use the 1448 01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:15.599 word lottery in such a painful year for the jazz, 1449 01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:19.239 So apologies for the jazz fans listening. But like I 1450 01:04:19.239 --> 01:04:21.920 always and it's lazy, but I always think of the Spurs, 1451 01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:24.239 and I think of the Spurs after David Robinson you 1452 01:04:24.280 --> 01:04:28.760 think of I think you have to get a you know, 1453 01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:31.280 a top three pick or the first pick would be great. 1454 01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:33.719 You get Tim Duncan and then from there they build 1455 01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:37.559 a dynasty out of a bunch of dudes that people 1456 01:04:37.719 --> 01:04:41.440 either didn't rate, underrated, or just never really of even round. 1457 01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:46.320 So it's doable. But I don't know how much monopoly 1458 01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:49.920 money that billionaires are spending in larger markets will affect 1459 01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:50.880 the team here. 1460 01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:54.119 Yeah, that's I mean, it's the right parallel to use. 1461 01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:55.960 And I don't think it's lazy because I think it's 1462 01:04:56.039 --> 01:04:58.639 the and it's a different league now, it's a different 1463 01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:01.599 collective bargain agreement. So it's hard to draw a straight line. 1464 01:05:01.639 --> 01:05:04.239 But what the Spurs did with that group should give 1465 01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:06.800 Jazz fans hope that in a city like Salt Lake, 1466 01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:07.599 you can actually do it. 1467 01:05:07.639 --> 01:05:09.719 I mean, but you could still, like look at the Nuggets. 1468 01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:11.440 The Nuggets drafted the best player in the world, the 1469 01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:14.000 second round, second round player, So it's like it's still doable. 1470 01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:16.559 You just, yeah, it sounds reductive, but at the end 1471 01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:18.320 of the day, all you have to do is get 1472 01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:18.679 good time. 1473 01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:21.440 Somebody listens to the drive bugget through Friday two to six. 1474 01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:24.440 Monod you nobly second round pick better known around here 1475 01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:26.840 as a rich man's talon Horton Tucker. 1476 01:05:27.079 --> 01:05:27.760 That's what I've heard. 1477 01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:30.320 You got to stop sending me that kid's tweets, all right? 1478 01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:34.639 ESPN seven hundred Welcomes Nate Jackson to Kingsbury Hall November seventh, 1479 01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:35.480 twenty twenty five. 1480 01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:39.639 Tickets around sale now on Spence Jackets facts c K. 1481 01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:40.400 Are you ready for it? 1482 01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:44.480 Yeah, let's get his mike on. You ready for a 1483 01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:48.320 little known Spence Jackets. I just went third person twice 1484 01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:53.239 and never do that. Love Elton John, absolutely love Elton John. 1485 01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:56.519 I saw Elton John and Billy Joel together Madison Square Garden, 1486 01:05:57.440 --> 01:06:00.280 I don't know, maybe fifteen twenty years ago, the best 1487 01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:01.079 shows I've ever seen. 1488 01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:03.440 That's very cool. Yeah that so were they on a 1489 01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:04.920 tour together? Was okay? 1490 01:06:04.960 --> 01:06:06.039 No, they were on a tour together? 1491 01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:06.400 Yeah? 1492 01:06:07.159 --> 01:06:11.719 Yeah. My in laws went to Elton's last concert here. 1493 01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:13.599 I had a bunch of friends go to Elton's concert 1494 01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:17.599 last concert here. I bet he puts on a really 1495 01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:18.320 good show. 1496 01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:21.280 And I haven't seen it in fifteen years or so, 1497 01:06:21.480 --> 01:06:22.280 Like how old is that? 1498 01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:24.079 How old would you guess Alton John. 1499 01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:26.599 Is Now I'm going to guess Porter's gonna fact check 1500 01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:30.639 or you're going to fact check. I'm going to go seventy. 1501 01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:34.119 Four, seventy eight. Oh, they're pretty close. So I don't 1502 01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:36.679 know what sort of energy he has at this stage 1503 01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:38.119 of his career. So I saw him when he was 1504 01:06:38.119 --> 01:06:40.760 just like little kids, man, does he yeah, Okay, I 1505 01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:41.800 feel like these old rich. 1506 01:06:41.639 --> 01:06:42.960 People are just say yeah, I feel like being a 1507 01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:43.400 dad again. 1508 01:06:43.880 --> 01:06:44.559 Dave Letterman. 1509 01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:47.920 I listened to an interview with Dave Letterman and he's like, yeah, 1510 01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:49.079 I've just started having kids. 1511 01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:50.199 He's like in his seventies. 1512 01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:52.840 No, Dave had a kid towards the tail end of 1513 01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:56.360 his show, because I remember it was a big deal 1514 01:06:56.480 --> 01:07:00.480 because he really didn't have kids until he was like 1515 01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:03.440 in his fifties, and then he had like the heart thing. 1516 01:07:03.800 --> 01:07:05.719 Because I was a Letterman guy. I remember it was 1517 01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:07.440 a big deal that Dave Letterman had a kid. 1518 01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:10.000 You are correct, Harry Letterman is twenty one years old. 1519 01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:11.760 But then there was a gap, and I think he's 1520 01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:14.800 had a couple more. Really all right, Anyway, in this interview, 1521 01:07:14.880 --> 01:07:18.960 Picasso potentially in this interview, he was asked like what 1522 01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:20.920 are your regrets. And he said that I didn't become 1523 01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:24.400 a father younger. So I don't know Elton's current kid situation. 1524 01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:26.960 But I saw him on tour. Let's see, he probably 1525 01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:29.440 was in his early sixties, so I don't know what 1526 01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:32.000 energy he has in his late seventies, but I would 1527 01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:34.159 imagine it's worth a while. I know he didn't write 1528 01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:36.119 most of his songs, but it's just like I love 1529 01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:39.159 his voice. The vibes are good, the vibes are great. 1530 01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:42.920 Yeah, I would imagine that, like it is hard to 1531 01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:47.639 have somebody like Bollocks up the energy at a Elton 1532 01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:50.239 John concert, for sure, unless somebody is maybe singing a 1533 01:07:50.280 --> 01:07:53.599 little too loud. I think that's outside of talking in 1534 01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:56.280 the movie theater. Being at a concert and having somebody 1535 01:07:56.480 --> 01:07:59.920 close to you singing louder than the actual person singing 1536 01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:03.119 to me is like nails on a chalkboard. 1537 01:08:03.239 --> 01:08:03.400 You know. 1538 01:08:03.440 --> 01:08:04.880 Another reason, yes, I agree with you. 1539 01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:08.559 Another recent development of mine is and I noticed this 1540 01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:10.639 went to a music festival. 1541 01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:14.320 You were your shoes off, of course, did you take 1542 01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:14.760 a rug? 1543 01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:19.760 Of course? Obviously shoes off? Gummy, the whole. 1544 01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:22.399 Thing really tightened together. 1545 01:08:22.479 --> 01:08:23.840 It was in Bridgeport, Connecticut. 1546 01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:29.760 Dave and tim right, Little Little Camp, Little Father John Misty. 1547 01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:37.079 Oh naturally, let's see uh John Butler Trio. Yeah for real? 1548 01:08:37.159 --> 01:08:44.720 Wow, Yes, excellent poll Little DAWs potentially randomly Goo Goo Dolls, 1549 01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:46.000 which pissed everybody off. 1550 01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:49.279 Heys is a great song. 1551 01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:53.399 Listen, man, we're of different eras. That was probably the 1552 01:08:53.439 --> 01:08:56.079 annoying song when you were in college, and for me 1553 01:08:56.319 --> 01:08:58.720 it was the song that you wanted to dance with, 1554 01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:03.720 dance with a girl too, in like eighth ninth grade. Okay, 1555 01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:07.720 So like everybody has those songs man, where you're just 1556 01:09:07.720 --> 01:09:09.319 like kind of like, ooh do I do I have 1557 01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:09.960 the Cojones. 1558 01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:12.239 I'm gonna hit you with this lineup and it's gonna 1559 01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:13.279 be right on brand for me. 1560 01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:13.880 Kay, I'm ready. 1561 01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:14.680 This is why we went. 1562 01:09:14.800 --> 01:09:19.079 Okay so sound on Sound Music Festival twenty twenty two Lumineers, 1563 01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:23.000 Father John Misty, Head in the Heart the National Band 1564 01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:28.279 of Horses, Trampled by Turtles, Brandy Carlyle, Stevie Nicks was incredible. 1565 01:09:29.399 --> 01:09:31.560 Zach Bryan. I actually saw Zach Bryan play. 1566 01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:34.880 Not a country singer. According to our guy Porter Larson. 1567 01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:36.600 Oh no, yeah, dude, I made the mistake of being 1568 01:09:36.640 --> 01:09:38.159 like dude, I found a new country and he was 1569 01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:41.600 so mad at me. He's pop country. Okay, fair enough. 1570 01:09:42.359 --> 01:09:44.520 The roots were there as well, so that was fun. 1571 01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:47.840 But what I realized is this is a young man's game, dude. 1572 01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:51.119 Music festivals are a young man's game. Wait when was 1573 01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:53.079 this twenty twenty two? But like, what time of your 1574 01:09:53.119 --> 01:09:58.279 Sorry it was summer, so it was hot humidity. Yes, yes, augusty, 1575 01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:01.840 I believe SPF fo are you working with forty five? 1576 01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:05.640 So my whole let's go down this path. 1577 01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:11.399 My sunscreen approaches this forty five to fifty base fifteen 1578 01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:15.039 spray with a little banana oil, right, well, coconut oil. 1579 01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:16.359 Your smell's really nice. 1580 01:10:16.399 --> 01:10:19.119 You're looking to get some some melanin in there. 1581 01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:21.439 Oh look look at me, man, I mean you you 1582 01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:22.319 ten instantly? 1583 01:10:22.520 --> 01:10:22.760 Yeah? 1584 01:10:22.800 --> 01:10:24.640 I need a minute. Yeah, okay, I need a couple. 1585 01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:26.760 Of But let's not yeah, bro, but we got to 1586 01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:28.479 be careful with those burns. As long as you're hitting 1587 01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:29.119 the dirm, you're wrong. 1588 01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:33.439 We've been lied to have we's. 1589 01:10:31.960 --> 01:10:32.359 Good for you. 1590 01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:35.439 Good for you? Now, don't take my word for it. 1591 01:10:35.479 --> 01:10:36.880 Anyone listening wear sunscreen? 1592 01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:38.760 Okay, don't be like, Hey, I heard Spence said I 1593 01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:40.960 should just get burned all the time. No, it's a 1594 01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:43.479 slow burn, okay, and then eventually I tan and it's 1595 01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:48.039 a good look. So that that's my sunscreen approach. Fifty bays. 1596 01:10:48.199 --> 01:10:50.000 Then we go with the spray with about five ten 1597 01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:52.000 fifteen banana oil. Wasn't ready for that. 1598 01:10:52.119 --> 01:10:53.119 It smells so nice? 1599 01:10:53.159 --> 01:10:54.239 Do you do that on the golf course? 1600 01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:54.399 Oh? 1601 01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:55.600 Yeah, okay, yeah all right. 1602 01:10:55.920 --> 01:10:58.800 In fact, next time you see our guy Gerald, he 1603 01:10:58.840 --> 01:11:02.800 gives me this crap for it because it attracts bees. 1604 01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:05.359 Aren't you worried that it might like spill in your bag? 1605 01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:08.319 And then the spray? I mean the oil. 1606 01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:10.520 No, First of all, I keep it in the side pocket. 1607 01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:10.920 Natural. 1608 01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:13.239 Would you like to know my golf bag set up? Yeah, 1609 01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:16.720 outside pocket. Two gloves usually new to make sure I'm 1610 01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:20.319 good when I set up the bag, take the glove out, 1611 01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:22.439 put the keys in the wallet in the outside pocket. 1612 01:11:22.840 --> 01:11:27.920 Inside pocket, sunscreen, CBD oil for the back, yep, you know, 1613 01:11:28.239 --> 01:11:31.000 vapor type vix rub for the shoulder. I'm an old 1614 01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:32.319 man at this point, so I have to make sure 1615 01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:35.560 my injuries are all taken care of. Upper right pocket, 1616 01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:39.560 my green Uh you know the tool you used to 1617 01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:41.319 fix the green I know you do. 1618 01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:41.880 Yeah, of court. 1619 01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:45.600 Obviously, my ballmarker, which is magnetic that sticks to that. 1620 01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:46.760 Trap into a quarter. 1621 01:11:47.600 --> 01:11:49.479 I have a couple of cores in there because Trey 1622 01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:50.560 never has a ball marker. 1623 01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:53.920 Well, the guy from Happy Gilmore just picked it up. Good, 1624 01:11:54.039 --> 01:11:57.520 good pull coming coming. The two two's coming this summer. 1625 01:11:57.560 --> 01:11:59.640 Man like next month. It's going to be bad. I 1626 01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:02.000 know we can talk about it. I'm going to interrupt you. 1627 01:12:02.359 --> 01:12:04.840 We'll go back. Have you watched Stick on Apple TV? 1628 01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:08.399 I have not own Wilson. There's it's bugs, it's Ted 1629 01:12:08.479 --> 01:12:12.760 Lasso for golf. But but Amanda is actually learning about golf, 1630 01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:17.119 so they actually talk about golf. Okay, I think thirty 1631 01:12:17.119 --> 01:12:19.279 minutes shows. I'm just throwing it out there. There's nothing 1632 01:12:19.319 --> 01:12:21.720 else to watch. I get it. I get it. He 1633 01:12:22.439 --> 01:12:25.600 to me, it's a little too wow, I get it. 1634 01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:26.399 Yes, exactly. 1635 01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:30.640 It's his his character Midnight in Paris. His best roles 1636 01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:34.199 are in Wes Anderson movies historically. But the cast is 1637 01:12:34.239 --> 01:12:36.960 good and the golf, the golf is good. So I 1638 01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:40.079 would just recommend that. So back to your golf bag. Well, okay, 1639 01:12:40.199 --> 01:12:41.840 let me finish that. Then we'll go to the best 1640 01:12:41.880 --> 01:12:44.079 own Wilson movies because we have to. Yeah, that's it's 1641 01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:46.560 like a staple of you. And it's also June. 1642 01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:48.840 So if you want to rank Utah's wide receivers from 1643 01:12:48.840 --> 01:12:52.920 the Pac twelve era, just calm down. So in the 1644 01:12:52.960 --> 01:12:56.279 pocket with my tool and my ballmark, that's where I 1645 01:12:56.359 --> 01:13:00.399 keep my tea's Okay, pocket, below that, I have every 1646 01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:02.319 potential tool that I would need to fix a club. 1647 01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:04.279 So you have like a little screwdriver thing. I've got 1648 01:13:04.319 --> 01:13:06.279 a couple of rings in case you fix a club. 1649 01:13:06.439 --> 01:13:07.880 You have to fix a club when you have a 1650 01:13:07.920 --> 01:13:09.840 powerful athletic swing, Chris. 1651 01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:11.159 Or when you break a club on the. 1652 01:13:11.079 --> 01:13:15.119 Course unnecessary drop in And by the way, for the record, 1653 01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:20.039 this year, no broken club Okay, what's changed the economic 1654 01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:22.920 impact of breaking several clubs throughout the course of the 1655 01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:25.640 season In this economy, I cannot say that I've had 1656 01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:28.960 zero club throws, but I've had zero club breaks. 1657 01:13:29.079 --> 01:13:33.239 What feels better letting go of a club in anger 1658 01:13:33.960 --> 01:13:35.800 or swishing a three pointer? 1659 01:13:36.039 --> 01:13:36.239 Oh? 1660 01:13:37.079 --> 01:13:40.279 What a great question. Because look, here's the bottom line. 1661 01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:44.560 If you can keep yourself to under three club breaks 1662 01:13:44.600 --> 01:13:49.800 a year, it sounds horrible. There's nothing more satisfying than 1663 01:13:49.920 --> 01:13:51.000 breaking a club. 1664 01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:53.359 After the knee or I've been over the knee. 1665 01:13:54.439 --> 01:13:57.439 There's nothing more satisfying than breaking like a wedge. So 1666 01:13:57.840 --> 01:13:59.800 if you hit like a if you rope your drive 1667 01:13:59.880 --> 01:14:02.039 and you're like ninety five yards out, if you chunk it, 1668 01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:05.600 chunk it or scull it within it, whatever, yep, because 1669 01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:07.399 a new wedge is like one hundred and ten bucks, 1670 01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:11.760 and that's not expensive enough to dissuade me from the 1671 01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:16.359 sandy pitching gap gap. Yeah we're ninety five yards out. 1672 01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:17.000 Oh, I know you do. 1673 01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:19.720 And we'll get to your thoughts on the current tournament 1674 01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:22.960 that's going on right now in the world of professional golf. 1675 01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:26.760 But the problem is, one hundred and ten dollars is 1676 01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:29.439 worth the price of how good it feels to break 1677 01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:32.560 a wedge after you scull a little wedge, you. 1678 01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:33.640 Know, after roping a drive. 1679 01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:35.439 So if you can keep it to one or two 1680 01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:38.199 club breaks a year, then you're actually doing okay. But 1681 01:14:38.279 --> 01:14:40.720 the problem is a couple of seasons we were your 1682 01:14:40.720 --> 01:14:42.800 boy over here, we're talking four or five club breaks. 1683 01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:46.279 Yeah, I would imagine that a driver would be the 1684 01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:49.920 easiest club to break. It is because it is, it's 1685 01:14:50.119 --> 01:14:56.039 more less titanium steel, or maybe I don't know, it's 1686 01:14:56.119 --> 01:14:56.920 urban fiber. 1687 01:14:57.159 --> 01:14:59.680 Look at you. It is easier to break. But the 1688 01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:01.800 problem is that's a little more punitive. A new driver, 1689 01:15:02.079 --> 01:15:05.319 you know, three hundred and fifty four hundred bucks, but 1690 01:15:05.439 --> 01:15:07.079 a new wedge is like one hundred and ten dollars. 1691 01:15:07.279 --> 01:15:09.720 So if you break a wedge, it feels so good. 1692 01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:12.079 Now you're judged instantly by the group and people are 1693 01:15:12.119 --> 01:15:13.840 probably I don't want to play with this dude, like 1694 01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:14.600 he's throwing clubs. 1695 01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:16.279 Can you play golf with people who judge you? 1696 01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:19.399 Well, I also play golf with other golfers who get 1697 01:15:19.439 --> 01:15:22.039 angrier than I do, and I judge them, So therefore 1698 01:15:22.039 --> 01:15:22.920 I know I'm being judged. 1699 01:15:23.399 --> 01:15:26.279 Golf course seems to be a very therapeutic place. 1700 01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:26.560 It is. 1701 01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:27.920 Yeah, naturally it is. 1702 01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:31.000 Let's see, we don't need to go over my club 1703 01:15:31.079 --> 01:15:32.039 selection of my golf back. 1704 01:15:32.079 --> 01:15:33.039 But that's the gist of it. 1705 01:15:33.359 --> 01:15:37.960 I could survive in the wilderness, oh, et Ceterrin, okay, 1706 01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:39.760 in the left pocket where the sunscreen you. 1707 01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:42.039 Talk an exceedrin migraine or just playing extend. 1708 01:15:41.880 --> 01:15:44.079 Plain, et cetera. Now you're an expert. Is there a 1709 01:15:44.079 --> 01:15:44.680 big difference? 1710 01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:45.000 Yes? 1711 01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:47.560 Is there a difference in the caffeine boots. Yes, oh yeah. 1712 01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:48.960 Should I get migraine. 1713 01:15:48.600 --> 01:15:52.000 Oh yeah, unless you get a certain type of headache. 1714 01:15:52.039 --> 01:15:55.000 But yes, it's always good to have exceerin migraine handy, Okay, 1715 01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:58.079 they have. They have a smaller bottle. It's like twenty pills. Okay, 1716 01:15:58.119 --> 01:15:59.439 it's like six bucks. Okay. 1717 01:15:59.479 --> 01:16:04.079 Back to the Owen Wilson First of all, Dick saying, okay, 1718 01:16:04.119 --> 01:16:07.800 I'll check it out an admission about why I'm somewhat 1719 01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:11.520 anti Owen Wilson, and it's really not his fault. So 1720 01:16:11.680 --> 01:16:15.359 Vince Vaughn had this like eight year run where nobody 1721 01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:20.000 could match his ability to just basically ad lib and 1722 01:16:20.039 --> 01:16:21.640 be really quick and really funny. 1723 01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:24.039 Hot route, hot route. You know, I don't. 1724 01:16:24.079 --> 01:16:25.600 I was all state. I can put it wherever I 1725 01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:27.239 want out here. 1726 01:16:27.399 --> 01:16:27.880 I hate you. 1727 01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:32.560 So it's really not Owen Wilson's fault that in the 1728 01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:35.680 movie Wedding Crashers, he tried really hard to do the 1729 01:16:35.720 --> 01:16:39.039 Vince Vaughn ad lib thing and it never landed to 1730 01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:41.520 me because he was going next, you know, toe to 1731 01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:45.319 toe with the Master. Yeah you know, so after that 1732 01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:48.399 I became very anti Owen Wilson. But best Owen Wilson 1733 01:16:48.399 --> 01:16:49.079 movie of all time? 1734 01:16:49.159 --> 01:16:52.399 Is what his best best movie or his best performance? 1735 01:16:52.520 --> 01:16:55.279 Either We've got Midnight in Paris. I think it was 1736 01:16:55.279 --> 01:16:55.880 a good movie. 1737 01:16:55.960 --> 01:16:59.359 I think his best movie is Midnight in Paris. 1738 01:17:00.359 --> 01:17:04.279 Got Grand Budapest. The West stuff is Tarjaline is really good. 1739 01:17:04.399 --> 01:17:09.479 Yeah, I would probably go best performance somewhere between Darjeeling 1740 01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:14.279 and Royal. He was like, Royal is the answer? Yeah, 1741 01:17:14.279 --> 01:17:15.960 I think so that's the answer. It was written in 1742 01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:17.720 a sort of obsolete vernacular. 1743 01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:21.039 Royal is the answer? Yeah, Well see I knew we'd 1744 01:17:21.079 --> 01:17:24.760 land on a wildcat rush. He was in Rushmore, but 1745 01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:28.239 very briefly, but bit part. Rushmore, as it's well documented, 1746 01:17:28.359 --> 01:17:31.279 is the best West movie period. Uh, Starski and Hutch 1747 01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:35.880 was pretty good. Let's see Hall Pass was underrated. 1748 01:17:35.880 --> 01:17:38.560 Funny. Yes, it's not the answer, no, but it was. 1749 01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:41.079 Underrated funny yes, Becausecus is funny too. 1750 01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:44.000 All Right, anyway, what are we doing? 1751 01:17:44.199 --> 01:17:47.000 Let's uh, it's no easy transition, but this is what 1752 01:17:47.039 --> 01:17:50.520 we do when you roll in the studio. Gold Cup tonight, 1753 01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:53.720 US men's national team taking on Saudi Arabia. 1754 01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:56.000 I believe, uh are we back? 1755 01:17:56.319 --> 01:18:01.239 After our dominant performance against the Trinida Trinidadians, Trinidad and Tobago, 1756 01:18:01.319 --> 01:18:05.399 Tobago whatever. Are we back now? Are we so back? 1757 01:18:05.439 --> 01:18:07.159 As the kids would say, We're not so back? I 1758 01:18:07.199 --> 01:18:09.760 think it'll depend on the result tonight, the performance tonight. 1759 01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:17.039 Locally. We'll see if your boy Poch deploys Diego Luna again, 1760 01:18:17.319 --> 01:18:22.359 who moon man, who is basically you know, had a 1761 01:18:22.359 --> 01:18:25.039 goal stolen from him on that shot, had an assist. 1762 01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:28.880 Seems to play very free and well in the system 1763 01:18:28.920 --> 01:18:32.960 that Mauricio Poctino likes to play. So I think Diego 1764 01:18:33.039 --> 01:18:35.439 Luna plays better for the national team than he does 1765 01:18:35.479 --> 01:18:37.840 for RSL because I feel like he's he has less 1766 01:18:37.840 --> 01:18:39.840 on his shoulders, He's able to be more creative. It 1767 01:18:39.920 --> 01:18:41.800 makes sense, and he's you know, playing with a higher 1768 01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:45.720 caliber player across the board. For the most part, Are 1769 01:18:45.760 --> 01:18:48.920 we back? I mean five five goals on a bad 1770 01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:53.279 Trinidad and Tobago team is a good start. Saudi Arabia 1771 01:18:53.319 --> 01:18:56.239 is historically not a good team in Asia, so should 1772 01:18:56.359 --> 01:18:58.279 it should be another. 1773 01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:00.319 Win. 1774 01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:02.199 I don't know if it will be an easy win, 1775 01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:06.039 but it should be a win. I am. I'm enjoying. 1776 01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:07.800 I don't know if you've been watching. I've been enjoying 1777 01:19:07.800 --> 01:19:08.560 the Club World Cup. 1778 01:19:08.600 --> 01:19:10.279 I was gonna ask you about MESSI scored. 1779 01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:13.159 Right, yeah, and they beat they beat Porto, which is 1780 01:19:13.199 --> 01:19:14.479 no small feet yeah nothing. 1781 01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:14.760 Yeah. 1782 01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:19.520 I mean our former friends, former friends of the program, 1783 01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:22.479 Danny Mussovski and Albert Rusnach are in the starting eleven 1784 01:19:22.520 --> 01:19:27.079 for Seattle against against Athletico Madrid. It starts at four o'clock. 1785 01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:29.640 So and then oh, that's why you're looking at the clock. 1786 01:19:29.720 --> 01:19:30.159 That's well. 1787 01:19:30.199 --> 01:19:32.640 And then their next their last group game is PSG 1788 01:19:32.760 --> 01:19:34.359 Seattle's so is it really? 1789 01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:36.399 Yeah, Mbape is in the hospital. He's not with the 1790 01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:37.319 SG anymore anyway. 1791 01:19:37.439 --> 01:19:39.399 No, he's with Madrid, but he's in the hospital here. 1792 01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:42.640 He's in the hospital a cute gastro enteritis, which is 1793 01:19:42.680 --> 01:19:46.800 I think basically like scientific terms for like neurovirus. So 1794 01:19:46.840 --> 01:19:49.880 he might have got the worst, the worst thing imaginable. 1795 01:19:50.319 --> 01:19:51.359 Don't wish that on anybody. 1796 01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:53.439 No, No, because I mean the NBA went through this 1797 01:19:53.479 --> 01:19:55.439 weird phase where like they would sit players out with 1798 01:19:55.479 --> 01:19:58.960 gastric distress. Yes, every time Jamal Tinsley went back to Brooklyn, 1799 01:19:58.960 --> 01:20:02.079 he missed like three games with with like gas distressed. 1800 01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:04.119 Like no, he went home and got loose with his hommies. 1801 01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:04.520 Yeah. 1802 01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:06.039 So when I saw that, I was like, what is 1803 01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:09.760 that bad gas? But it certainly it's that must be 1804 01:20:09.800 --> 01:20:10.359 so painful. 1805 01:20:10.399 --> 01:20:12.840 I bet bad gas is probably like ninth on the 1806 01:20:12.880 --> 01:20:15.159 list of all the bad things that he's currently dealing with. 1807 01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:18.319 Are you good at understanding where the line is between 1808 01:20:18.399 --> 01:20:20.239 bad gas and a heart attack? There have been days 1809 01:20:20.239 --> 01:20:22.079 where I'm like, I'm having a heart attack. It's like, no, 1810 01:20:22.119 --> 01:20:22.920 you're just plugged up. 1811 01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:25.760 So this is great radio, So like we can talk, 1812 01:20:25.800 --> 01:20:28.880 we can talk about this. One of my closest friends, 1813 01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:33.520 he has a hard line of delineation between what is 1814 01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:38.880 like a stomach ache and what is like gas. To him, 1815 01:20:39.640 --> 01:20:40.560 a stomach. 1816 01:20:42.399 --> 01:20:43.920 This is great, No, I love it. 1817 01:20:44.079 --> 01:20:48.399 Stomach ache is feeling a little nauseous, okay to him, 1818 01:20:48.720 --> 01:20:51.399 like he doesn't have time for the downtown stuff. It's 1819 01:20:51.439 --> 01:20:55.920 more like it is it? Yes? And I tend to 1820 01:20:55.960 --> 01:20:59.239 agree with it. Yeah, So I can tell you anything 1821 01:20:59.239 --> 01:21:01.359 and everything you want to know about stomach issues. 1822 01:21:01.920 --> 01:21:03.119 Is it something you experience? 1823 01:21:03.279 --> 01:21:03.520 Yeah? 1824 01:21:03.760 --> 01:21:05.560 Really? Oh yeah, like ever since you were a kid. 1825 01:21:05.600 --> 01:21:07.880 Oh yeah. Are there certain food you have to avoid 1826 01:21:07.920 --> 01:21:08.439 or else your. 1827 01:21:09.159 --> 01:21:12.159 I can't I can't eat spice anymore. Spice spice. Yeah, 1828 01:21:12.159 --> 01:21:14.359 it's not even like I can't even eat a halpino. 1829 01:21:14.520 --> 01:21:16.520 You're the one that introduced me to Afghan kitchen. You 1830 01:21:16.600 --> 01:21:19.359 can't eat spice. So if you for me, if you 1831 01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:20.960 grab some Afghan what's the order now? 1832 01:21:22.560 --> 01:21:27.680 It's been a while. Everything Spicyani chicken chicken is spicy. 1833 01:21:27.800 --> 01:21:31.680 It's not, no, bro, it's not. I mean maybe you 1834 01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:34.439 can ask to ask to increase the spice level. I 1835 01:21:34.479 --> 01:21:35.079 definitely don't. 1836 01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:37.399 Well, you can choose your level of spice. Yeah, Oh 1837 01:21:37.439 --> 01:21:39.720 it's it's it's always a zero, a zero. 1838 01:21:40.119 --> 01:21:40.520 Yeah. 1839 01:21:41.279 --> 01:21:44.000 Is this a recent development the last ten years? Porter? 1840 01:21:44.079 --> 01:21:45.119 How's your stomach with spice? 1841 01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:49.720 Can you handle spy? I? Uh, I have a literal 1842 01:21:49.720 --> 01:21:53.600 garbage disposal, Like I could eat rotting meat and I 1843 01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:55.600 think my stomach would just be that cool. 1844 01:21:55.720 --> 01:21:58.359 He's also like, what are you thirty yet? 1845 01:21:58.560 --> 01:21:58.920 Barely? 1846 01:21:58.960 --> 01:22:00.760 He's also very young man? 1847 01:22:01.239 --> 01:22:03.640 Yeah, I don't. I mean I'm jealous of it. 1848 01:22:03.720 --> 01:22:04.239 I am too. 1849 01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:07.600 Anyway, Diego plays better for the US men's national team 1850 01:22:08.359 --> 01:22:10.600 than he does for RSL, plays more free. 1851 01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:12.680 Was Johnny Russell the missing piece all along? 1852 01:22:12.760 --> 01:22:13.680 Johnny Goles, our. 1853 01:22:13.600 --> 01:22:16.520 Guy Johnny Goles has taken a moniker from Johnny Mendez. 1854 01:22:17.159 --> 01:22:20.359 Well, he's taken. He's taken the goals moniker from basically 1855 01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:23.079 everyone else on the roster outside of Diego. 1856 01:22:23.319 --> 01:22:26.000 Gozo has two Gozo has to listen. 1857 01:22:26.680 --> 01:22:28.880 It does not bode I mean it's it's a good 1858 01:22:28.880 --> 01:22:31.720 development for RSL, but it does not bode well for 1859 01:22:31.800 --> 01:22:34.079 the state of the talent, of the of the attacking 1860 01:22:34.119 --> 01:22:35.520 talent on the roster. And I know a lot of 1861 01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:38.720 them were gone, but they literally brought an old dude 1862 01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:42.800 off the street and he scored a goal in like 1863 01:22:42.840 --> 01:22:47.920 his third game, first start. Some stuff you can't teach. 1864 01:22:48.560 --> 01:22:51.239 Johnny Russell has like almost seventy goals in MLS, So 1865 01:22:51.239 --> 01:22:52.800 the dude knows how to find the back of the net. 1866 01:22:53.159 --> 01:22:55.359 Might be old, it might be a little bigger U. 1867 01:22:55.640 --> 01:22:57.920 It will help having that voice in the locker room, 1868 01:22:57.920 --> 01:23:01.239 but man, it does not speak well to the depth 1869 01:23:01.279 --> 01:23:03.199 of the attacking talent on that team right now. But 1870 01:23:03.199 --> 01:23:08.000 but Gozo, Gozo's been I think outside of Luna, Gozo's 1871 01:23:08.039 --> 01:23:11.079 been the second best thing on this team this year. 1872 01:23:11.119 --> 01:23:13.880 I would agree with that. And I think they've got 1873 01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:16.760 something with him. Yeah, just graduated high school like two 1874 01:23:16.760 --> 01:23:17.840 months ago, which is why. 1875 01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:20.560 And a local kid, which is which is cool. Historically 1876 01:23:20.600 --> 01:23:26.000 we've been known to develop, uh, you know, defenders and midfielders. 1877 01:23:26.239 --> 01:23:32.199 I guess we do have some kids, the the. 1878 01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:32.439 The the U sixteens or whatever. 1879 01:23:32.479 --> 01:23:35.079 No, the brothers who are playing in Europe, the Booth brothers, 1880 01:23:35.239 --> 01:23:37.800 both brothers that were from Eden. They're they're over there, 1881 01:23:37.800 --> 01:23:41.520 they're attacking players. But yeah, it's it's cool that Xavier 1882 01:23:41.600 --> 01:23:43.960 is actually like a Utah born for sure. 1883 01:23:44.039 --> 01:23:44.439 For sure. 1884 01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:48.800 Nick Romondo is inducted into the Ring of Honor, which 1885 01:23:48.840 --> 01:23:52.720 now has Jason Krice, Javier Morales and Nikki was the third. 1886 01:23:53.439 --> 01:23:55.039 Surprised that we don't have our guy. 1887 01:23:55.199 --> 01:23:57.479 I think I think he's I think I read somewhere 1888 01:23:57.520 --> 01:23:59.359 that they're planning on doing that next year. 1889 01:23:59.439 --> 01:24:02.239 Oh okay, surprised that it was Nick first and Kyle 1890 01:24:02.279 --> 01:24:04.760 am I making something out of nothing? 1891 01:24:04.840 --> 01:24:06.680 Did Nick retire before Kyle? 1892 01:24:06.800 --> 01:24:09.039 Yes, he did, good point, that might be it. Yeah, 1893 01:24:09.079 --> 01:24:10.880 and I guess Jaber retired before Nick. 1894 01:24:11.159 --> 01:24:14.159 Okay, yeah, because if we're talking, I mean, you know, 1895 01:24:14.399 --> 01:24:17.079 as a as a sports guy, generally you're you're up 1896 01:24:17.119 --> 01:24:21.840 for such nominations either very local or national or whatever 1897 01:24:22.079 --> 01:24:24.239 based on the time you retire. 1898 01:24:24.319 --> 01:24:25.119 This is true. 1899 01:24:25.760 --> 01:24:28.600 You read Gordo's piece on Jay right on Jason Christ 1900 01:24:28.640 --> 01:24:30.720 you sent it to me, I didn't well, I knew. 1901 01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:31.319 Were invisible men. 1902 01:24:31.399 --> 01:24:31.960 Yes, I knew. 1903 01:24:32.159 --> 01:24:33.840 I knew it was in the works because of our 1904 01:24:33.880 --> 01:24:38.239 guy sending us the heads up. It's a really interesting 1905 01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:43.359 path to consider, how when Jay was here as the 1906 01:24:43.359 --> 01:24:47.000 coach manager, excuse me, winning MLS cop you know nine 1907 01:24:47.159 --> 01:24:50.399 the gaffer thank you and then should have wanted in thirteen? 1908 01:24:50.880 --> 01:24:53.479 Thirteen was probably the best team right of RSL history? 1909 01:24:53.520 --> 01:24:54.399 Is that fair? 1910 01:24:54.479 --> 01:24:56.680 Should Yeah, and probably should have won Champions League? 1911 01:24:56.680 --> 01:24:59.640 Should have won Champions League? It was thirteen second time 1912 01:24:59.720 --> 01:25:01.920 was their lost? Would you say that's the best club 1913 01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:02.840 in RSL history? 1914 01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:05.439 Talent wise better? 1915 01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:05.560 No? 1916 01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:07.239 Nine, even though they won the cup. 1917 01:25:07.319 --> 01:25:10.880 Well, I think ten to eleven twelve were probably the 1918 01:25:11.399 --> 01:25:17.840 best teams, but roster talent wise probably thirteen. But I mean, 1919 01:25:18.159 --> 01:25:19.880 you could make an argument that some of these teams 1920 01:25:19.880 --> 01:25:22.800 in recent years have been more talented top to bottom 1921 01:25:22.840 --> 01:25:24.840 for sure, roster wise, but they didn't get the results 1922 01:25:24.840 --> 01:25:25.239 that those. 1923 01:25:25.119 --> 01:25:26.039 Guys did last year. 1924 01:25:26.119 --> 01:25:28.720 That fifteen game stretch, that's the best soccer I've ever 1925 01:25:28.760 --> 01:25:31.840 seen played. Yeah, for RSL, you might want to keep 1926 01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:33.800 a couple of those guys around, but you know, what 1927 01:25:33.800 --> 01:25:36.239 are you going to do? What are your as Nicky 1928 01:25:36.239 --> 01:25:39.079 goes into the Ring of honor, what's your recollection of 1929 01:25:39.159 --> 01:25:43.319 kind of when he established himself as who he ultimately became, 1930 01:25:44.079 --> 01:25:45.439 because it wasn't right out of the gates. 1931 01:25:45.640 --> 01:25:52.479 No, yeah, I mean probably the year before they won 1932 01:25:52.600 --> 01:25:55.000 the Cup because they had a pretty deep playoff run 1933 01:25:55.039 --> 01:25:55.560 in OH eight. 1934 01:25:56.359 --> 01:25:58.159 Was that the Eastern Conference finale where they. 1935 01:25:58.159 --> 01:26:00.399 Hit the post like six times? So I think that 1936 01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:02.520 was the first year Rio Tinto was open. It was, 1937 01:26:03.199 --> 01:26:04.680 and it was a big deal that they got so 1938 01:26:04.800 --> 01:26:06.359 far in their first year in their new stadium. 1939 01:26:06.359 --> 01:26:07.439 My name's on a beam, yep. 1940 01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:12.159 I think that was. That was back when the league 1941 01:26:12.239 --> 01:26:17.159 was so dumb that teams from different conferences could enter 1942 01:26:17.279 --> 01:26:19.520 the other team's playoff race. Because I think the Red 1943 01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:20.960 Bulls beat RSL. 1944 01:26:21.039 --> 01:26:23.479 They did that in that final and if I remember 1945 01:26:23.560 --> 01:26:28.520 correctly in two thousand and nine, yes, RSL beat. 1946 01:26:28.439 --> 01:26:32.279 Chicago and penalties and then Columbus. I think, how did 1947 01:26:32.319 --> 01:26:34.640 that work? Because it's dumb. It is a dumb you 1948 01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:36.840 know what, the dumbest it's still a dumb league. Yeah, 1949 01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:38.600 maybe it's not as dumb as it once was. It's 1950 01:26:38.640 --> 01:26:42.600 still a very very dumb league. You're gonna watch Seattle Athletic. 1951 01:26:43.119 --> 01:26:45.119 Well, now that I know that Moose, Hey, Porter, will 1952 01:26:45.159 --> 01:26:47.199 you find Seattle at Athletic? 1953 01:26:47.399 --> 01:26:48.199 What channel is it on? 1954 01:26:48.560 --> 01:26:51.800 Uh? So I've learned this this d D a Z 1955 01:26:52.039 --> 01:26:54.560 N acronym. Know how you pronounce it? 1956 01:26:54.720 --> 01:26:58.039 DOZ zone? The zone? Yeah, that sucks. 1957 01:26:58.359 --> 01:27:01.279 Dunny was on the was on the Miami call Kay, 1958 01:27:01.359 --> 01:27:03.920 which was cool. But I think this one is on 1959 01:27:04.199 --> 01:27:08.079 the Zone and it's streaming for free online. 1960 01:27:06.479 --> 01:27:10.920 If we are antiquated in the studio, we cannot stream 1961 01:27:10.960 --> 01:27:12.840 on the television, so I guess I'll have to watch 1962 01:27:12.840 --> 01:27:15.760 the replay. But I didn't know Moose was in the 1963 01:27:15.800 --> 01:27:18.479 eleven Your guy, Well, it's John Paul's guy. 1964 01:27:18.920 --> 01:27:20.000 I mean really like. 1965 01:27:20.159 --> 01:27:22.279 The Moose is loose against one of the best teams 1966 01:27:22.319 --> 01:27:22.800 in the world. 1967 01:27:22.840 --> 01:27:25.680 We lost JP as a club when we didn't take 1968 01:27:25.680 --> 01:27:26.199 care of Moose. 1969 01:27:26.239 --> 01:27:28.439 You think so, oh, I know, so not not losing 1970 01:27:28.520 --> 01:27:30.000 Chico and going No, it was Moose. 1971 01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:32.640 Moose was the beginning of the decline where John Paul 1972 01:27:32.720 --> 01:27:34.439 is legitimately no longer an RSEL fan. 1973 01:27:34.479 --> 01:27:35.119 It's very sad. 1974 01:27:35.479 --> 01:27:36.840 What about you? 1975 01:27:37.399 --> 01:27:37.600 Was it? 1976 01:27:37.640 --> 01:27:37.960 Crooks? 1977 01:27:38.039 --> 01:27:40.399 No, no, no, no, I stand on my feet, dude, 1978 01:27:40.439 --> 01:27:43.159 I shouted out. Real, I am here for the lads. 1979 01:27:43.199 --> 01:27:45.039 They have not lost me. I'm in for life, man. 1980 01:27:45.159 --> 01:27:45.800 That's what happens. 1981 01:27:45.800 --> 01:27:46.960 Is they going to make a push? 1982 01:27:47.319 --> 01:27:47.680 Oh? 1983 01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:51.960 Yeah, They're so boring, so boring, it's so uninspiring. It's 1984 01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:54.920 like I I watch I watch every Jazz game, even 1985 01:27:54.920 --> 01:27:57.880 this year. Uh so, I watch every RSL game, but 1986 01:27:58.119 --> 01:28:01.119 it is a task. I find myself of scrolling doom 1987 01:28:01.199 --> 01:28:04.560 scrolling during RCEL matches, and then if something exciting happens, 1988 01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:07.239 I'll hear the announcer. I'll just pull up apples, like 1989 01:28:07.279 --> 01:28:09.600 you know, Apple does the whole moments that you missed. 1990 01:28:10.600 --> 01:28:14.279 Do you still watch every yarsel that I tried to? Yeah, 1991 01:28:14.399 --> 01:28:15.640 we're the Jazz gonna take. 1992 01:28:17.960 --> 01:28:18.239 Well. 1993 01:28:19.640 --> 01:28:23.319 I really hope Dj edgecumb falls. I think he's really good. 1994 01:28:24.239 --> 01:28:26.920 Happy anniversary in nineteen eighty four NBA draft class, which 1995 01:28:26.960 --> 01:28:31.000 included one Michael Jordan, aquiem Olajuan and one John Stockton. 1996 01:28:31.880 --> 01:28:33.680 All right, Chris, I'll let you go. You gotta go 1997 01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:36.800 watch the game. That was an entertaining, weird hour. Thanks 1998 01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:38.840 so much for your time, and we'll see how today. 1999 01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:40.000 But it's Thursday. 2000 01:28:40.159 --> 01:28:41.920 It's Friday for me. That's why you're here, is it? 2001 01:28:41.960 --> 01:28:44.560 I'm off tomorrow? Yeah, good to say it, buddy. About 2002 01:28:44.560 --> 01:28:49.239 two hours away ish from tip as the Pacers will 2003 01:28:49.239 --> 01:28:52.960 try to stave off elimination tonight and the Oklahoma City 2004 01:28:52.960 --> 01:28:57.399 Thunder will try to win the NBA Championship. Live to Indianapolis, 2005 01:28:57.439 --> 01:28:59.680 we go, I believe. So that's where we find our guy, 2006 01:28:59.760 --> 01:29:01.119 David committed on a Thursday. 2007 01:29:01.199 --> 01:29:02.359 Dave, you are live on site? 2008 01:29:02.439 --> 01:29:04.640 Yes, I'm in La. 2009 01:29:06.079 --> 01:29:11.840 Okay, see, okay, see on Saturdays. Should Indianapolis take care 2010 01:29:11.840 --> 01:29:12.640 of business tonight? 2011 01:29:12.800 --> 01:29:13.760 Oh? Wow? 2012 01:29:14.039 --> 01:29:15.800 A little bit of a story going on out in 2013 01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:17.920 La that I've been working on, you know, So it's 2014 01:29:17.960 --> 01:29:20.960 not that I'm just sitting around here twiddling my thumbs. 2015 01:29:21.039 --> 01:29:23.760 Okay, Well, the natural first question is how excited were 2016 01:29:23.760 --> 01:29:26.199 you that that story broke? So therefore you did not 2017 01:29:26.359 --> 01:29:28.720 have to make the trip to Indiana. 2018 01:29:29.119 --> 01:29:33.319 There you go, good, good positioning there. That's I'm sure 2019 01:29:33.359 --> 01:29:34.359 we'll talk about the sale. 2020 01:29:34.399 --> 01:29:37.279 But I am. I wish I was in India, and 2021 01:29:37.359 --> 01:29:38.439 I to be honest. 2022 01:29:38.199 --> 01:29:40.960 Because being there for three and four it was an 2023 01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:45.840 incredible atmosphere and I seeing some of the quotes coming 2024 01:29:45.880 --> 01:29:52.439 out from guys like Miles Turner and Andrew Nemhard. They 2025 01:29:52.520 --> 01:29:56.079 sound like a confident group that aren't. 2026 01:29:56.159 --> 01:29:57.760 You know, sometimes a team gets to this. 2027 01:29:57.800 --> 01:30:00.760 Point, they're looking towards the finish line, and they suffer 2028 01:30:00.800 --> 01:30:03.119 an injury to one of their stars and it's like, well. 2029 01:30:03.039 --> 01:30:03.920 Let's pack it up. 2030 01:30:05.039 --> 01:30:07.840 It doesn't seem like that's their mentality now that they 2031 01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:12.039 could very well be outclassed by the Thunders. They had 2032 01:30:12.039 --> 01:30:14.399 the last two games, and Brian Windhors pointed out today 2033 01:30:14.439 --> 01:30:18.840 that the thunderscore fifty two points off of the Pacers 2034 01:30:18.840 --> 01:30:21.159 turnovers last two games, like that will be the recipe 2035 01:30:21.199 --> 01:30:25.560 for disaster if it goes that way tonight. But I'm 2036 01:30:25.680 --> 01:30:27.159 kind of holding out hope that we get a really 2037 01:30:27.199 --> 01:30:30.840 competitive game and a chance for a game seven on Sunday. 2038 01:30:31.279 --> 01:30:33.479 How jealous was your wife when she found out that 2039 01:30:33.520 --> 01:30:34.319 you were staying home? 2040 01:30:36.880 --> 01:30:41.199 She also she loves being there, love love's mixing it up. 2041 01:30:42.039 --> 01:30:46.800 Dave, Come on, man, you're talking to me, dude, Yeah, sorry, yeah? 2042 01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:48.119 Are you sending her pictures? 2043 01:30:48.199 --> 01:30:50.520 Are you sending her pictures of like the Santa Monica 2044 01:30:50.600 --> 01:30:51.560 pier and the beach? 2045 01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:52.319 Are you doing that? 2046 01:30:53.119 --> 01:30:54.880 I'm more like, send of your pictures of like the 2047 01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:58.000 laundry that I've done and the mail that I've opened. 2048 01:30:58.960 --> 01:31:04.560 But okay, all right, if there was a second iteration, 2049 01:31:04.720 --> 01:31:08.000 a modern day iteration of winning time, who plays Dave mcminnimon. 2050 01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:13.800 Okay, this is a good one. I've been told before. 2051 01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:16.640 I have a bit of a I can have a 2052 01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:21.520 squinty look, and and when I'm in shape, which is 2053 01:31:21.600 --> 01:31:23.479 not right now, but when I am in shape, I'm 2054 01:31:23.479 --> 01:31:26.199 a little lanky. So I've been compared to Ed Norton before, 2055 01:31:26.520 --> 01:31:29.399 and Ed Norton is a tremendous actor, so I'll go 2056 01:31:29.439 --> 01:31:30.079 with Ed Norton. 2057 01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:31.000 I like Ed Norton. 2058 01:31:31.199 --> 01:31:34.199 H My producer has chimed in and he's offering Charlie 2059 01:31:34.279 --> 01:31:35.720 Day because you're kind of a funny guy. 2060 01:31:35.880 --> 01:31:36.600 How does that land? 2061 01:31:38.039 --> 01:31:40.039 They get always funny connection? 2062 01:31:40.159 --> 01:31:42.199 Sorry, well it was. 2063 01:31:42.279 --> 01:31:45.359 It was an awesome series. I was bummed when HBO 2064 01:31:45.479 --> 01:31:47.680 canceled it. But it did bring a lot of interesting 2065 01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:50.600 perspective based off of Pelman's book on the part on 2066 01:31:50.680 --> 01:31:53.640 the path that doctor Jerry Buss and of course his 2067 01:31:53.640 --> 01:31:57.199 family have taken that has now ended in a you know, 2068 01:31:57.279 --> 01:31:59.960 it's incorrect to say they sold it for ten billion. 2069 01:32:00.439 --> 01:32:02.640 I know it's a little bit more nuanced and complex 2070 01:32:02.680 --> 01:32:05.680 than that. And let me say you and timmy good time. 2071 01:32:05.760 --> 01:32:09.159 Bontemp's great piece today. It was awesome. I've used it great, 2072 01:32:09.239 --> 01:32:12.720 so great job. Take us through the process. What's this 2073 01:32:12.840 --> 01:32:14.960 been like for the Bus family dating all the way 2074 01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:17.760 back to when doctor Buss really risked it all? And 2075 01:32:18.000 --> 01:32:20.560 what do you think it means to them to land 2076 01:32:20.600 --> 01:32:21.960 on this day to day? And of course what does 2077 01:32:22.000 --> 01:32:23.439 it mean for the Los Angeles Lakers. 2078 01:32:24.600 --> 01:32:30.079 Yeah, obviously a tremendous series of events when doctor Buss 2079 01:32:30.159 --> 01:32:34.159 was able to acquire the team for jacking Cook back 2080 01:32:34.159 --> 01:32:37.439 in the seventies and kind of put all of his 2081 01:32:38.000 --> 01:32:41.159 fortune on the line that he developed in real estate 2082 01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:45.560 in order to make it happen for sixty seven million dollars, 2083 01:32:45.760 --> 01:32:49.199 you know, now we're fast forward and to this moment 2084 01:32:49.279 --> 01:32:52.760 of a ten billion dollar valuation. That's just a tremendous 2085 01:32:53.199 --> 01:32:55.479 American success story in itself. 2086 01:32:55.600 --> 01:32:59.479 And the way that trust was set up was the 2087 01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:01.279 sixth siblings. 2088 01:33:02.399 --> 01:33:05.159 You basically weren't getting now. 2089 01:33:05.319 --> 01:33:07.800 Of course, the team, let me start here. 2090 01:33:07.920 --> 01:33:12.039 The team was operating at a profit, so the six 2091 01:33:12.079 --> 01:33:15.720 siblings were able to live a comfortable lifestyle based on 2092 01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:18.560 the revenue generated from the Lakers on a year to 2093 01:33:18.640 --> 01:33:24.920 year basis. But comfortable, you know, it's a very varying 2094 01:33:26.199 --> 01:33:31.359 descriptor word. And there's levels of comfort where you're vacationing 2095 01:33:32.119 --> 01:33:37.000 at a you know, a Maria, and there's a level 2096 01:33:37.000 --> 01:33:39.520 of comfort where you're vacationing in the Maldives on a 2097 01:33:39.520 --> 01:33:40.279 private island. 2098 01:33:40.520 --> 01:33:45.000 And by going with a sale like this, it's Maldives 2099 01:33:45.039 --> 01:33:45.680 all the time. 2100 01:33:45.880 --> 01:33:49.399 You know, each of the siblings will clear somewhere in 2101 01:33:49.439 --> 01:33:55.239 the neighborhood of a billion dollars, which is just a tremendous, 2102 01:33:55.399 --> 01:34:00.000 tremendous number. And they the way the trust set up, 2103 01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:03.680 none of the siblings would get paid out until the 2104 01:34:03.720 --> 01:34:07.239 team was sold. So it's not like, hey, I want 2105 01:34:07.279 --> 01:34:09.800 to sell my part to the rest of the siblings, 2106 01:34:09.840 --> 01:34:12.239 give me my money, and I'll be on my merry. 2107 01:34:12.319 --> 01:34:13.840 Way, It couldn't work that way. 2108 01:34:14.479 --> 01:34:18.039 And with several of the siblings getting up there in age, 2109 01:34:19.119 --> 01:34:23.399 you know, and this tremendous opportunity from a guy Mark Walter, 2110 01:34:23.600 --> 01:34:28.640 who you know, became someone who Genie Bust trusted through 2111 01:34:29.399 --> 01:34:32.000 the relationship with matgew Johnson and seeing the way that 2112 01:34:32.600 --> 01:34:35.680 he's taken care of kind of a civic point of 2113 01:34:35.800 --> 01:34:38.279 Pride organization and LA Dodgers. 2114 01:34:39.159 --> 01:34:39.520 It was. 2115 01:34:39.760 --> 01:34:41.680 They decided it was the time to do it. So 2116 01:34:41.720 --> 01:34:44.279 the family did a vote yesterday, the majority vote between 2117 01:34:44.319 --> 01:34:46.720 the siblings, and you know, here. 2118 01:34:46.560 --> 01:34:50.560 We go is is Jim going to be included? Here 2119 01:34:50.640 --> 01:34:52.359 are they? Are they really going to give Jim his 2120 01:34:52.439 --> 01:34:53.119 billion dollars? 2121 01:34:54.479 --> 01:34:56.680 Jim will be getting his billion dollars, not what he 2122 01:34:56.760 --> 01:34:57.319 does with it. 2123 01:34:57.880 --> 01:34:59.880 We're all waiting with baita breath. 2124 01:35:02.319 --> 01:35:02.520 Jim. 2125 01:35:02.800 --> 01:35:05.800 The funny thing about Jim, you know, I was covering 2126 01:35:05.800 --> 01:35:09.079 the Lakers when he had an influential role in the 2127 01:35:09.079 --> 01:35:13.520 front office, and I've always liked Jim. He thinks a 2128 01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:18.439 little bit outside the box and he's you know, not cut. 2129 01:35:19.600 --> 01:35:22.159 From the cloth of corporate America, I don't think. But 2130 01:35:22.880 --> 01:35:23.880 he cares about the team. 2131 01:35:23.920 --> 01:35:27.920 And obviously it was back in twenty seventeen when him 2132 01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:32.359 and Johnny Buss, you know, sued their sister Jeanie to 2133 01:35:32.439 --> 01:35:37.960 try to you know, wrestle control from away from her 2134 01:35:38.199 --> 01:35:41.399 for the organization like that was pretty ugly. But in 2135 01:35:41.479 --> 01:35:45.520 recent years. 2136 01:35:43.760 --> 01:35:45.199 That bridge has been repaired. 2137 01:35:45.239 --> 01:35:48.439 And obviously Jeannie is the aunt to his kids, and 2138 01:35:48.520 --> 01:35:50.079 I think that has something to do with it and 2139 01:35:50.560 --> 01:35:52.920 the family did a Hulu documentary a couple of years ago, 2140 01:35:53.000 --> 01:35:55.039 and I think that was kind of like, hey, let's 2141 01:35:55.039 --> 01:35:58.199 put this all out in the open and let's move forward. 2142 01:35:58.319 --> 01:35:59.680 And Jim's been around. 2143 01:35:59.479 --> 01:36:01.840 A little bit more more since that documentary came out, So, 2144 01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:04.359 you know, I think that was another sign that this 2145 01:36:04.359 --> 01:36:07.439 this could happen, because if I think there was still 2146 01:36:07.520 --> 01:36:11.039 rancor between the siblings, I don't think we would have 2147 01:36:11.039 --> 01:36:12.399 come to this point that we're at now. 2148 01:36:12.960 --> 01:36:14.800 So you and Tim did a really good job today. 2149 01:36:15.000 --> 01:36:18.039 And I'm not sure how many sports fans or basketball 2150 01:36:18.079 --> 01:36:20.880 fans really know because you hear the Lakers, you hear Tinseltown, 2151 01:36:20.960 --> 01:36:23.199 you hear Los Angeles, and you just assume that they 2152 01:36:23.239 --> 01:36:25.760 have the same bank roll to like the Knicks do 2153 01:36:25.920 --> 01:36:29.399 with Jimmy Dolan. But that isn't the case, Dave, is it. 2154 01:36:29.399 --> 01:36:32.279 It really has not been how this organization has been run. 2155 01:36:32.399 --> 01:36:34.439 So she had some light on that kind of a 2156 01:36:35.079 --> 01:36:37.199 you know, glorified mom and pop shop, And what do 2157 01:36:37.239 --> 01:36:39.720 you think this acquisition will mean for the way they 2158 01:36:39.760 --> 01:36:41.159 run the business moving forward? 2159 01:36:42.279 --> 01:36:46.920 Yeah, So they spent on salary and they spent on 2160 01:36:47.159 --> 01:36:51.920 luxury techs. If the salaries required that you know, in 2161 01:36:51.960 --> 01:36:54.560 the Genie bus era since twenty thirteen when she became 2162 01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:58.560 the governor, they spent more than one hundred and usween 2163 01:36:58.600 --> 01:37:01.640 one point five billion dollars, eighth most out of any 2164 01:37:01.640 --> 01:37:04.159 team in the league in that time, and they have 2165 01:37:04.239 --> 01:37:07.079 the second most amount of championships in that time. Only 2166 01:37:07.359 --> 01:37:11.760 franchise with more since twenty thirteen is the Warriors of four. 2167 01:37:12.039 --> 01:37:16.000 And then whoever wins Tonight's Night Finals or Sunday's Finals 2168 01:37:16.039 --> 01:37:18.960 game will be the ninth team to win one. 2169 01:37:19.159 --> 01:37:21.039 So you know they've been competitives. 2170 01:37:21.640 --> 01:37:25.640 Where they haven't spent as much is on their scouting department, 2171 01:37:26.159 --> 01:37:32.239 on their coaches, on their analytics department, and those things. 2172 01:37:32.560 --> 01:37:33.199 When you're in a. 2173 01:37:33.199 --> 01:37:37.199 Hyper competitive space like the NBA is and it's being 2174 01:37:37.279 --> 01:37:42.079 filled in that same amount of time by billionaires, you 2175 01:37:42.279 --> 01:37:46.800 can be looked at as you know, behind the times. 2176 01:37:47.560 --> 01:37:52.159 When it came to the NBA and this deal and 2177 01:37:52.279 --> 01:37:56.640 Mark Walter, who is involved with the Googenheim group, you 2178 01:37:56.680 --> 01:38:03.880 know they men's they'll have those extra resources to spend 2179 01:38:03.920 --> 01:38:06.159 on all the stuff that isn't controlled by the salary 2180 01:38:06.199 --> 01:38:10.319 cap that the Lakers, you know, under Genie. 2181 01:38:10.079 --> 01:38:13.640 Bust chose not to spend on because again. 2182 01:38:13.479 --> 01:38:17.800 I mean basically like they secondly probably could have afforded 2183 01:38:17.840 --> 01:38:20.680 some of that stuff more. But then what's left for 2184 01:38:22.000 --> 01:38:25.119 you know, the bus siblings to live on? You know, 2185 01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:31.640 like basically all six of the siblings were, you know, 2186 01:38:31.800 --> 01:38:33.680 living off of the Lakers wealth. 2187 01:38:34.600 --> 01:38:38.920 So what have you learned about Mark Walter and what 2188 01:38:39.199 --> 01:38:41.720 you know? What sort of owner? Excuse me, obviously he 2189 01:38:41.800 --> 01:38:43.560 tried to buy the clips that went to Balmer. 2190 01:38:43.640 --> 01:38:44.640 He owns the Dodgers. 2191 01:38:45.319 --> 01:38:48.560 Dodgers payroll is far more than any other team in 2192 01:38:48.560 --> 01:38:51.760 the Major League Baseball? What what sort of uh you know, 2193 01:38:51.880 --> 01:38:54.119 majority owner will he be? I know Genie is still 2194 01:38:54.159 --> 01:38:56.000 going to be the governor, But what have you learned 2195 01:38:56.039 --> 01:38:57.680 about Mark? And what sort of owner do you think 2196 01:38:57.680 --> 01:38:59.960 he's going to be? So far? 2197 01:39:00.439 --> 01:39:04.359 You know, I've spoken several people who know him from 2198 01:39:04.640 --> 01:39:07.840 the Dodgers. I haven't spoken to him directly. I look 2199 01:39:07.880 --> 01:39:11.239 forward to that chance. But he has been for the 2200 01:39:11.239 --> 01:39:15.520 most part hands off. He is very much involved when 2201 01:39:15.520 --> 01:39:19.640 it comes to finding the right people that he wants 2202 01:39:19.680 --> 01:39:22.600 to put in place for the job. But once he's 2203 01:39:23.680 --> 01:39:28.840 been through that process, it's not like Barry Jones coming 2204 01:39:29.239 --> 01:39:32.199 down from above and meddling with the decision makers. He 2205 01:39:32.239 --> 01:39:34.239 wants to trust those people and am power those people. 2206 01:39:34.840 --> 01:39:37.399 Of course they'll be signed off on certain things, but 2207 01:39:39.239 --> 01:39:45.479 the general thought is that he recognizes that if you 2208 01:39:46.039 --> 01:39:51.760 bring more smart voices in a room, it's better versus 2209 01:39:51.960 --> 01:39:55.399 feeling like, oh, you know, be intimidated perhaps, or you know, 2210 01:39:55.439 --> 01:39:57.199 maybe I'm not going to be as influential if I 2211 01:39:57.199 --> 01:40:01.600 bring in someone with real bona FIDE's And that's similar 2212 01:40:01.640 --> 01:40:05.720 to the model that the Clippers have followed by using 2213 01:40:05.840 --> 01:40:09.079 Steve Balmer as well for building a robust front office, 2214 01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:11.800 bringing in someone like Jerry West, who's, you know, considered 2215 01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:15.079 one of the most shrewd general managers in the history 2216 01:40:15.079 --> 01:40:18.479 of the sport, you know, prior to him passing away, 2217 01:40:18.680 --> 01:40:21.800 you know, that is what he's kind of done with 2218 01:40:21.840 --> 01:40:25.760 the Dodgers, and go out identify a young kind of 2219 01:40:26.079 --> 01:40:29.880 quant in Andrew Friedman, who had a ton of respect 2220 01:40:29.920 --> 01:40:32.439 around the sport but didn't have the resources in Tampa Bay. 2221 01:40:32.800 --> 01:40:35.159 And it's like, use those same instincts for us, and 2222 01:40:35.560 --> 01:40:39.159 you'll have my wallet to do so. And so certainly, 2223 01:40:39.199 --> 01:40:41.399 I think the next question a lot of us are 2224 01:40:41.439 --> 01:40:45.159 asking is, I don't think any in the short term 2225 01:40:45.319 --> 01:40:48.520 that we expect any major changes to the decision makers. 2226 01:40:48.560 --> 01:40:50.079 In terms of Jeanie. 2227 01:40:49.840 --> 01:40:52.439 Buff we already have reporting on that, and Rob Blinka, 2228 01:40:52.520 --> 01:40:56.239 we've reported on his contract extension that he signed shortly 2229 01:40:56.760 --> 01:40:58.359 after the Luca Dodgers trade. 2230 01:40:59.199 --> 01:41:01.199 But in the mid. 2231 01:41:01.079 --> 01:41:03.600 To long term, who are those extra voices they are 2232 01:41:03.640 --> 01:41:06.159 going to be involved in this team for the Lakers, 2233 01:41:06.159 --> 01:41:07.720 because we anticipate there will be. 2234 01:41:08.560 --> 01:41:12.239 I believe it was nineteen eighty three, maybe eighty four 2235 01:41:12.560 --> 01:41:16.720 when Larry Miller secured a three million dollar loan from 2236 01:41:16.760 --> 01:41:19.119 a bank here in Utah to purchase half of the 2237 01:41:19.199 --> 01:41:23.079 Jazz and later had to secure another three million dollars 2238 01:41:23.119 --> 01:41:25.840 by leveraging. His business at the time was not big, 2239 01:41:25.880 --> 01:41:30.079 it was growing to buy the remaining remaining shares of 2240 01:41:30.079 --> 01:41:32.159 the Jazz six to seven million dollars in eighty four. 2241 01:41:33.039 --> 01:41:36.399 To wrap your head around a ten billion dollar valuation 2242 01:41:36.560 --> 01:41:38.279 for a pro basketball. 2243 01:41:37.680 --> 01:41:38.960 Team, Dave is something else. 2244 01:41:38.960 --> 01:41:42.159 I'll tell you what help me and our listeners understand 2245 01:41:42.439 --> 01:41:46.359 exactly why the business of basketball is so good right now. 2246 01:41:48.359 --> 01:41:52.720 I mean, listen, some of it is in a marketplace 2247 01:41:52.960 --> 01:41:54.600 like Los Angeles in particular. 2248 01:41:54.920 --> 01:41:59.560 It is a really strong brand and it allow you to. 2249 01:42:01.079 --> 01:42:06.840 Sell all sorts of marketing opportunities, brand partnerships, et cetera 2250 01:42:07.119 --> 01:42:13.760 with businesses in the LA area. And when you have 2251 01:42:14.039 --> 01:42:18.399 those chances, then you know you are also then building 2252 01:42:18.479 --> 01:42:22.399 out luxury suites et cetera, et cetera, that you are 2253 01:42:23.399 --> 01:42:26.039 making sure they're filled by these corporations that you have 2254 01:42:26.199 --> 01:42:31.399 these business relationships with. Beyond that, it's an international brand. 2255 01:42:31.479 --> 01:42:35.680 I mean, the Lakers aren't just one of the biggest 2256 01:42:35.720 --> 01:42:38.479 brands in North America, but literally in the world. And 2257 01:42:39.560 --> 01:42:43.039 if you have the right type of people that have 2258 01:42:43.119 --> 01:42:46.520 the right type of connections overseas and in different markets, 2259 01:42:47.000 --> 01:42:51.199 you can turn that brand name into business opportunities. 2260 01:42:51.359 --> 01:42:54.159 And what have the Dodgers been doing. I mean with shohe. 2261 01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:57.960 Atani, they have a whole commerce, They have an whole 2262 01:42:57.960 --> 01:43:03.560 industry based on the shift with Japanese corporations that they've 2263 01:43:03.560 --> 01:43:06.920 been able to build out since getting him from the 2264 01:43:06.920 --> 01:43:10.239 Anheiam Angels. And so you know, that's the same thing, 2265 01:43:10.319 --> 01:43:13.279 like Japan will necessarily be the destination with the Lakers product, 2266 01:43:13.279 --> 01:43:16.159 but I'm sure they'll try to pair up some business 2267 01:43:16.159 --> 01:43:20.319 opportunities there. But you know, Mark Walter has soccer team 2268 01:43:20.319 --> 01:43:23.720 in England Mark Walter also has business interests in the 2269 01:43:23.800 --> 01:43:24.520 LA Sparks. 2270 01:43:24.560 --> 01:43:26.199 Like he will try to. 2271 01:43:27.760 --> 01:43:30.560 You know, basically the way your cable is bundled. He's 2272 01:43:30.600 --> 01:43:34.399 going to bundle his sports interests in a way that 2273 01:43:34.479 --> 01:43:40.359 he can do scaled deals that are unlike many other 2274 01:43:40.640 --> 01:43:44.319 owners can offer. Two major brands that choose to work 2275 01:43:44.319 --> 01:43:44.680 with him. 2276 01:43:45.199 --> 01:43:49.199 Are you the brains behind Magic Johnson's tweets? 2277 01:43:49.920 --> 01:43:53.960 I was shocked someone at ESPN when he was in 2278 01:43:54.600 --> 01:43:57.159 doing a first take last week. I need to find 2279 01:43:57.159 --> 01:44:00.000 this out and commend whoever the producer was got him 2280 01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:02.920 to like read some of his dry tweets from the 2281 01:44:02.960 --> 01:44:05.119 past and try to explain what the heck was going 2282 01:44:05.159 --> 01:44:09.039 on through his mind when he had those tweets set out. 2283 01:44:09.119 --> 01:44:13.560 So I applaug whoever you know you got magic to trust. 2284 01:44:13.279 --> 01:44:15.039 Them enough to go through that process. 2285 01:44:15.159 --> 01:44:18.119 So it is really him, that's really Magic Johnson tweeting 2286 01:44:18.159 --> 01:44:19.159 out those tweets. 2287 01:44:19.479 --> 01:44:23.079 There is a segment that FBI Social shared that he 2288 01:44:23.159 --> 01:44:27.680 went through a couple tweets that read like Highlights magazine 2289 01:44:27.800 --> 01:44:29.439 and he claimed ownership of them. 2290 01:44:29.479 --> 01:44:33.079 So okay, all right, good to know, all right, moving 2291 01:44:33.119 --> 01:44:37.880 on here, Dave any insight. There are several in look, 2292 01:44:38.319 --> 01:44:41.439 the business now, certainly on social is really weird. I 2293 01:44:41.479 --> 01:44:44.039 feel like I'm aggregated every day. I can't imagine what 2294 01:44:44.159 --> 01:44:46.880 somebody with a platform like you feels like. So there's 2295 01:44:46.880 --> 01:44:48.840 a lot of aggregation. There are a lot of rumors, 2296 01:44:48.840 --> 01:44:50.920 but there continues to be So. There are two rumors 2297 01:44:50.920 --> 01:44:54.039 that have surfaced over the past twenty four hours regarding 2298 01:44:54.079 --> 01:44:57.239 conversations between the Jazz and the Lakers. One is the 2299 01:44:57.239 --> 01:44:59.600 Walker Castler scenario that we've talked about. The other is 2300 01:44:59.760 --> 01:45:02.720 like an John Collins RUI Hotcha Mura type situation. I 2301 01:45:02.720 --> 01:45:05.000 don't know how much you've seen of either of these, 2302 01:45:05.039 --> 01:45:06.720 but we'll end with the finals. But before we get there, 2303 01:45:06.760 --> 01:45:10.079 any insight on Jazz Lakers trade talks. 2304 01:45:10.119 --> 01:45:13.279 Right, I mean, obviously, you know we've talked about Kestler 2305 01:45:13.840 --> 01:45:17.640 several times on your program, and yeah, I saw that. 2306 01:45:17.920 --> 01:45:20.920 You know, some of our conversation last week was aggregated, 2307 01:45:20.960 --> 01:45:22.800 and you know, everything we. 2308 01:45:22.880 --> 01:45:25.640 Discussed is you know, it is what it is like. 2309 01:45:26.039 --> 01:45:30.159 There remains interest on the Lakers end, and we presented 2310 01:45:30.199 --> 01:45:33.039 the assets they could present in a deal, and that 2311 01:45:33.199 --> 01:45:37.399 remains the case unless the Lakers were to do another 2312 01:45:37.479 --> 01:45:41.760 trade prior to you know, expressing interests again to the 2313 01:45:41.840 --> 01:45:44.439 Jazz and having different assets to show at that point, 2314 01:45:44.840 --> 01:45:47.000 or obviously a three team deal or something like that. 2315 01:45:46.920 --> 01:45:50.359 But just one to one that remains the same. I saw. 2316 01:45:51.159 --> 01:45:54.439 I believe it was Andy Larson of the Salt Lake 2317 01:45:54.680 --> 01:46:00.279 Tribune who mentioned some interests the Lakers have in John Collins. 2318 01:46:00.680 --> 01:46:02.840 I saw, I believe you mentioned on a podcast. I 2319 01:46:02.840 --> 01:46:04.920 haven't listened to the podcast. I saw in the aggregation 2320 01:46:05.560 --> 01:46:08.600 of what he supposedly said and the package that the 2321 01:46:08.680 --> 01:46:13.319 Lakers would potentially deal with Ruey and. 2322 01:46:13.439 --> 01:46:15.640 Max Kleeber and you know. 2323 01:46:16.439 --> 01:46:22.159 Multiple first rounders to me, sounds like an extreme overpay 2324 01:46:22.319 --> 01:46:25.359 for a guy I think Colin's not expiring contracts of him. 2325 01:46:25.399 --> 01:46:27.359 I'm not correct, correct. 2326 01:46:27.279 --> 01:46:28.399 Yeah, so it. 2327 01:46:30.159 --> 01:46:32.880 Didn't really pass the smell test to me. 2328 01:46:33.680 --> 01:46:34.800 I don't have reporting on the. 2329 01:46:34.800 --> 01:46:39.520 Lakers talking to the Jazz about Collins. Of course, I'm 2330 01:46:39.560 --> 01:46:43.039 not saying or feuding what Andy's heard. I just I 2331 01:46:43.079 --> 01:46:47.439 haven't heard it personally. I would say, though, if what 2332 01:46:47.560 --> 01:46:51.079 I saw in terms of what the trade package would 2333 01:46:51.079 --> 01:46:54.640 be was accurate, because again I didn't listen to his podcast, 2334 01:46:54.680 --> 01:46:56.760 I'm not sure exactly what I saw. 2335 01:46:56.720 --> 01:46:59.760 Was accurate, But if that is accurate. I'd have a 2336 01:46:59.760 --> 01:47:00.960 hard time seeing. 2337 01:47:00.720 --> 01:47:05.560 The Lakers offering anywhere close to Collins at this stage 2338 01:47:05.640 --> 01:47:06.479 or his career. 2339 01:47:06.520 --> 01:47:07.079 Is that right now? 2340 01:47:07.079 --> 01:47:10.079 There's there's still a lot of really hatching Mora fans 2341 01:47:10.119 --> 01:47:14.199 in this organization like big time. And again we talked 2342 01:47:14.199 --> 01:47:19.039 about the Japanese business interests, really Hachima. It can be 2343 01:47:19.119 --> 01:47:22.159 something that Mark Walter's team can tap into in Japan 2344 01:47:23.079 --> 01:47:26.359 about so shore, John Collins provides that much more of 2345 01:47:26.359 --> 01:47:29.880 a basketball advantage that you would turn your back on 2346 01:47:30.319 --> 01:47:32.399 seeing what you can do with that really hatchema connection. 2347 01:47:32.560 --> 01:47:34.720 Okay, good point, but watch your mouth. John Collins was 2348 01:47:34.720 --> 01:47:36.760 born in Augden, Utah. Have you ever been ogged in Utah? 2349 01:47:36.800 --> 01:47:41.720 It's quite pleasant, Dave, Okay, sure. 2350 01:47:40.560 --> 01:47:42.199 It's not all right. 2351 01:47:42.600 --> 01:47:45.800 Breaking news sham Shararnia, who I believe you work with. 2352 01:47:46.439 --> 01:47:50.199 Tyres Halliburton will play tonight in Game six of the 2353 01:47:50.279 --> 01:47:53.920 NBA Finals, Dave, your install reaction, Yeah. 2354 01:47:53.800 --> 01:47:56.119 That's where this thing has been trending. 2355 01:47:56.199 --> 01:47:59.880 And obviously after Game five, when the adrenaline still pump 2356 01:48:00.319 --> 01:48:02.479 and he says he's going to play, you do have 2357 01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:05.880 to raise an eyebrow a little bit. But you know, 2358 01:48:06.960 --> 01:48:10.279 we've had folks on our air report about it. 2359 01:48:10.520 --> 01:48:14.039 I text with some folks connected. 2360 01:48:13.680 --> 01:48:21.680 To Indiana who were basically presenting the scenario of we're 2361 01:48:22.600 --> 01:48:26.439 going to trust him and not take away this opportunity 2362 01:48:26.479 --> 01:48:30.359 from him, for sure, but we have to be ready 2363 01:48:31.960 --> 01:48:35.359 and have a contingency plan if if he just doesn't 2364 01:48:35.399 --> 01:48:39.239 look right, not only to protect him, but also to 2365 01:48:39.279 --> 01:48:42.520 protect this opportunity in front of because this is a 2366 01:48:42.600 --> 01:48:47.159 winner go home, your season's over scenario. And as great 2367 01:48:47.159 --> 01:48:50.720 as Tyres Haliburton is, and he's tremendous. 2368 01:48:50.159 --> 01:48:51.920 He has moxie, he has a sense. 2369 01:48:51.720 --> 01:48:54.680 Of the moment, he's a great floor general, brings a 2370 01:48:54.680 --> 01:48:58.840 great attitude, all those things, they are not built the 2371 01:48:58.920 --> 01:49:03.880 Pacers needing thirty and fifteen from Tyres Haliburton to win, 2372 01:49:04.039 --> 01:49:07.680 even to be the team as good as Oklahoma City Thunder. 2373 01:49:07.800 --> 01:49:10.520 I mean, I think Halburt had like fourteen to sixteen 2374 01:49:10.560 --> 01:49:11.319 points in Game one. 2375 01:49:11.359 --> 01:49:13.479 Obviously he hit the biggest shot of the night, but 2376 01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:14.239 it wasn't. 2377 01:49:14.000 --> 01:49:17.640 Like he was dominant leading to the point where they 2378 01:49:17.680 --> 01:49:20.880 got that win. And so you know, of course we 2379 01:49:20.960 --> 01:49:23.920 all watched Game five and we saw the great third 2380 01:49:24.000 --> 01:49:25.520 quarter that TJ McConnell had. 2381 01:49:25.560 --> 01:49:26.560 He'll be part of the mix. 2382 01:49:26.920 --> 01:49:30.960 I'm looking at Matherin and Nemhard as really the swing 2383 01:49:31.039 --> 01:49:34.439 players for Indie to Night because they have the skill, 2384 01:49:34.680 --> 01:49:39.359 they have the physicality, they have the you know, the 2385 01:49:39.760 --> 01:49:45.840 ability to play with athleticism and match with the you know, 2386 01:49:45.920 --> 01:49:46.880 those guys on. 2387 01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:47.880 The thunder end of things. 2388 01:49:47.920 --> 01:49:50.439 We talked about Shake gils I, was Ander and Jalen Williams, 2389 01:49:51.319 --> 01:49:53.880 and I don't think they're intimidated whatsoever. They's got to 2390 01:49:53.920 --> 01:49:57.479 play better. You know, nem Aar didn't shoot it well 2391 01:49:57.760 --> 01:50:00.359 at all. Mathurin missed those free through was at the 2392 01:50:00.439 --> 01:50:03.279 end of game four and maybe maybe Pacers are up 2393 01:50:03.279 --> 01:50:05.600 three to one at that point. Like I look at 2394 01:50:05.600 --> 01:50:09.359 those guys, and then obviously Pastelsiacam he had a really 2395 01:50:09.359 --> 01:50:10.560 strong Game five. 2396 01:50:11.439 --> 01:50:14.079 He can be that guy. He's won a championship before. 2397 01:50:15.279 --> 01:50:19.600 You know, if those guys, you know, bring their a game, 2398 01:50:20.159 --> 01:50:24.319 I think they could make up or mask a you know, 2399 01:50:24.600 --> 01:50:28.239 ce performance out of Tyres Haliburton and extend the series. 2400 01:50:28.760 --> 01:50:30.880 So you referenced a couple of the options I was 2401 01:50:30.880 --> 01:50:34.239 debating earlier. If Tyres didn't play. You know, TJ only 2402 01:50:34.279 --> 01:50:37.039 started one game this year, and I feel like Rick 2403 01:50:37.079 --> 01:50:40.239 wants him to run that second unit, and if we're honest, oftentimes, 2404 01:50:40.319 --> 01:50:42.319 like backup players in the NBA, it's kind of like 2405 01:50:42.359 --> 01:50:46.119 the backup quarterback in football always the most popular player 2406 01:50:46.239 --> 01:50:48.600 in the stadium. If the starter isn't going well, you 2407 01:50:48.680 --> 01:50:51.520 just want to insert the backup. But the fact of 2408 01:50:51.520 --> 01:50:55.479 the matter is, oftentimes TJ is playing better against backups. 2409 01:50:55.520 --> 01:50:59.359 It's not entirely true in the case that Tyres gives 2410 01:50:59.359 --> 01:51:02.079 it a go because you dave, you know what Mark 2411 01:51:02.159 --> 01:51:04.119 Dagnold's going to do, Like Tyree's is going to be 2412 01:51:04.119 --> 01:51:05.960 in every single action and lou Dord is going to 2413 01:51:06.000 --> 01:51:09.840 be up in his jersey from jump. If after two 2414 01:51:09.960 --> 01:51:12.640 three minutes it's pretty clear to Rick Carlisle that Tyres 2415 01:51:12.640 --> 01:51:14.560 doesn't have it, what does it look like? Is it 2416 01:51:14.600 --> 01:51:17.920 straight Tyree's for TJ? Is its sled Nemhar to point 2417 01:51:18.239 --> 01:51:20.600 put in Benedict Matheren, who started I think forty nine 2418 01:51:20.640 --> 01:51:23.560 games for them, what do you think that contingency for 2419 01:51:23.600 --> 01:51:24.880 the Pacers actually looks? 2420 01:51:24.960 --> 01:51:31.439 Like Nemard said at their player availability that he has 2421 01:51:32.119 --> 01:51:34.760 been told that he's going to be handling the Ballmore so, 2422 01:51:35.159 --> 01:51:37.439 if we take him out his word, we should see more. 2423 01:51:37.279 --> 01:51:37.640 Of that. 2424 01:51:39.520 --> 01:51:43.119 TJ. As you mentioned, he's tremendous, and you. 2425 01:51:43.039 --> 01:51:46.000 Know, I think he is one of the better role 2426 01:51:46.039 --> 01:51:49.279 players in the entire NBA. But some of that mix 2427 01:51:49.560 --> 01:51:54.159 is literally maximizing every iota of energy in his body 2428 01:51:54.159 --> 01:51:57.600 any given moment he's on the court, and given his 2429 01:51:57.720 --> 01:52:02.680 physical size and the guys he's matching up against, you 2430 01:52:02.840 --> 01:52:03.840 hit a ceiling. 2431 01:52:03.520 --> 01:52:06.680 On that, and you know you're not. 2432 01:52:08.159 --> 01:52:11.039 You're asking a lot to get more than like twenty 2433 01:52:11.079 --> 01:52:14.960 five minutes of that level from TJ McConnell, and that's 2434 01:52:15.000 --> 01:52:16.479 probably even asking too much. 2435 01:52:16.600 --> 01:52:18.720 And so I think you'd rather. 2436 01:52:19.119 --> 01:52:21.319 Put him in an environment that you already know is 2437 01:52:21.359 --> 01:52:25.520 successful versus then perhaps Okay, all of a sudden, now 2438 01:52:25.560 --> 01:52:28.079 he's going to be guarded by Ludort. 2439 01:52:28.600 --> 01:52:31.079 And rendered ineffective there. 2440 01:52:31.239 --> 01:52:33.800 And you're like, oh, so I took one advantage I 2441 01:52:33.840 --> 01:52:37.560 had here to try to stabilize something over here, and 2442 01:52:37.600 --> 01:52:40.199 now I lost both of them. Like, I don't think 2443 01:52:40.239 --> 01:52:44.079 that's really the solution there, And you know, I think 2444 01:52:45.239 --> 01:52:48.439 whomever is on the court, they need to push the 2445 01:52:48.520 --> 01:52:52.159 ball and get into their actions quicker. Because what we 2446 01:52:52.239 --> 01:52:55.560 saw in Game four, and you know, credits to Indiana, 2447 01:52:55.680 --> 01:52:57.560 it was ugly early and they did make that run 2448 01:52:57.600 --> 01:53:01.600 in the second half, but they were stagnant getting into 2449 01:53:01.640 --> 01:53:03.960 their offense. So they're getting pushed all the way out 2450 01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:11.199 to the timeline almost where like the before they screen 2451 01:53:11.520 --> 01:53:14.760 to try to get downhill, like it's just it's not 2452 01:53:16.000 --> 01:53:17.880 effective basketball playing that way. 2453 01:53:18.439 --> 01:53:18.560 Uh. 2454 01:53:18.840 --> 01:53:22.199 And then when you do get downhill, you know, that's 2455 01:53:22.239 --> 01:53:26.159 when the thunder are so good at collapsing already, and 2456 01:53:26.199 --> 01:53:29.840 it's you know, they have more space to collapse versus 2457 01:53:29.880 --> 01:53:32.760 like they had to make that quick trigger decision where 2458 01:53:32.760 --> 01:53:35.880 you're right at the hoop versus you're gonna shooter dump 2459 01:53:35.920 --> 01:53:40.760 it off, they're gonna have success against you. And so 2460 01:53:41.399 --> 01:53:43.880 you know, they got it first. The pace got to 2461 01:53:43.880 --> 01:53:46.600 take take care of the basketball and they got to 2462 01:53:46.640 --> 01:53:50.119 recognize that if Tier doesn't have it, all the other 2463 01:53:50.159 --> 01:53:51.920 guys just got to give, you know, a little bit 2464 01:53:51.960 --> 01:53:53.479 better than they have becase. I mean, listen, it was 2465 01:53:53.479 --> 01:53:54.199 a two point game. 2466 01:53:54.039 --> 01:53:55.119 Of the fourth quarter the other night. 2467 01:53:56.640 --> 01:53:58.680 Okay, see it was great from that point on, but 2468 01:53:58.800 --> 01:54:00.560 it was a two point game of the fourth indye 2469 01:54:00.560 --> 01:54:01.720 should have a shot tonight. 2470 01:54:02.560 --> 01:54:03.159 Do you have Allen? 2471 01:54:03.439 --> 01:54:04.720 Do you have a lien you feel like at enst 2472 01:54:04.680 --> 01:54:06.800 to I Do you feel like the Pacers extended to seven. 2473 01:54:07.680 --> 01:54:10.319 I was texted with Simmy good times nice. 2474 01:54:10.319 --> 01:54:15.840 Today and I went fifty five forty five. Okay see 2475 01:54:16.359 --> 01:54:20.039 he said his instinct sixty five thirty five okay see. 2476 01:54:20.079 --> 01:54:23.239 But I mean both of us giving a legitimate shot 2477 01:54:23.439 --> 01:54:26.319 to the Pacers, Like it doesn't feel like a foregone 2478 01:54:26.359 --> 01:54:29.039 conclusion that this thing's over tonight, all. 2479 01:54:29.000 --> 01:54:30.319 Right, Dave, before I say you loose. 2480 01:54:30.960 --> 01:54:34.479 If Oklahoma City gets it done, it will culminate what 2481 01:54:34.680 --> 01:54:37.520 has been a historic season in many different ways. 2482 01:54:37.560 --> 01:54:38.720 And you and I have talked about this. 2483 01:54:38.800 --> 01:54:42.279 Maybe we just should have been more reductive and simplistic, like, yeah, 2484 01:54:42.279 --> 01:54:44.439 they're awesome, They're probably gonna win it. Maybe Boston would 2485 01:54:44.479 --> 01:54:47.720 have had something to say if Tatum stayed healthy. But 2486 01:54:48.039 --> 01:54:51.720 what is your opinion on just how long this team 2487 01:54:51.800 --> 01:54:53.720 can play at this level? You know they will have 2488 01:54:53.800 --> 01:54:57.920 some extensions on the table. You know, Shay as a 2489 01:54:57.960 --> 01:55:01.319 result of his MVP and team all NBA is due 2490 01:55:01.319 --> 01:55:04.359 for supermacs. They have not extended CHET, which they'll do. 2491 01:55:04.640 --> 01:55:07.640 And obviously Jalen just went for a forty a forty 2492 01:55:07.640 --> 01:55:09.960 piece in the NBA Finals. He's gonna get paid as well. 2493 01:55:10.359 --> 01:55:12.479 So if we assume they lock those three in which, 2494 01:55:12.479 --> 01:55:14.880 of course they will. I believe that's just going to 2495 01:55:14.960 --> 01:55:18.159 be like the core. And then you like an Alex Caruso, 2496 01:55:18.439 --> 01:55:21.159 you know, you like an Isaiah Hartenstein, you like Aludort. 2497 01:55:21.239 --> 01:55:25.279 Certainly I'm not diminishing those other players. But when you 2498 01:55:25.319 --> 01:55:29.920 look at Bobby Mark's future NBA draft rankings, Oklahoma City 2499 01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:33.479 is number one. They have thirteen future first round picks. 2500 01:55:33.520 --> 01:55:36.720 They have all seven of their own. Everybody owes them something. 2501 01:55:37.159 --> 01:55:39.399 So it feels like Sam Presty, who just is the 2502 01:55:39.439 --> 01:55:42.000 best in the business that what he does, has plenty 2503 01:55:42.079 --> 01:55:45.840 of options at his disposal to add talent around those 2504 01:55:45.880 --> 01:55:48.000 three to kind of keep this thing ticking. But it 2505 01:55:48.039 --> 01:55:49.800 is a new world in the NBA, it is a 2506 01:55:49.800 --> 01:55:53.159 new CBA. How long do you think Oklahoma City can 2507 01:55:53.279 --> 01:55:54.319 make this thing last? 2508 01:55:56.079 --> 01:55:59.800 I really it comes down to I think your belief 2509 01:56:00.119 --> 01:56:04.720 in just how great Shay is, and he's made me 2510 01:56:04.760 --> 01:56:08.439 a believer, and so I think, like you're looking at 2511 01:56:08.439 --> 01:56:10.760 at least a five year window where they should be 2512 01:56:10.840 --> 01:56:16.039 the if not the favorite, in the contender favorites conversation, 2513 01:56:17.079 --> 01:56:20.680 because everything I see from say is that like he 2514 01:56:20.800 --> 01:56:26.920 is singularly focused, basketball is complete consumption of his life. 2515 01:56:27.439 --> 01:56:32.279 And something like the idea of a teammate getting too 2516 01:56:32.319 --> 01:56:35.760 much shine or living in a city local in the 2517 01:56:35.760 --> 01:56:38.520 city compared to some of the other NBA locales, I 2518 01:56:38.520 --> 01:56:41.960 don't think is going to change how he views the 2519 01:56:42.039 --> 01:56:44.640 game of basketball and views his role with this team. 2520 01:56:45.119 --> 01:56:49.199 And so you have that established. I think even if 2521 01:56:49.239 --> 01:56:53.920 something unforeseen or unfortunate was to happen, like you know, 2522 01:56:54.199 --> 01:56:56.680 chet Holmgren has already been through two major injuries in 2523 01:56:56.720 --> 01:56:59.760 his career, and with the body build like that, you'd 2524 01:56:59.800 --> 01:57:02.279 have to think that it's possible that he would have 2525 01:57:02.319 --> 01:57:02.560 out the. 2526 01:57:02.640 --> 01:57:05.920 Injuries pop up. Let's say something like that, that's happening, 2527 01:57:06.039 --> 01:57:07.640 he has a major injury. Sit back. 2528 01:57:08.159 --> 01:57:11.920 Because of all that draft capital they have moved forward, they. 2529 01:57:11.760 --> 01:57:14.239 Are able to pivot. 2530 01:57:14.880 --> 01:57:18.520 They're able to either use the draft picks themselves to 2531 01:57:18.520 --> 01:57:20.479 figure out, you know, kind of. 2532 01:57:20.399 --> 01:57:23.000 The new talent that's homegrown. 2533 01:57:22.479 --> 01:57:24.840 That that can help them through a lean time when 2534 01:57:24.840 --> 01:57:27.720 a guy is injured or a guy's not producing, or 2535 01:57:27.880 --> 01:57:30.720 you just go PLoP it out and trade for any 2536 01:57:30.720 --> 01:57:33.720 of the guys on the market, even if it's just 2537 01:57:33.720 --> 01:57:38.079 for a year, because you just it's an embarrassment of 2538 01:57:38.199 --> 01:57:39.119 riskness that they have. 2539 01:57:40.680 --> 01:57:43.680 So yeah, they're they won't be spending a lot of time. 2540 01:57:43.680 --> 01:57:47.119 In the playoffs in Oklahoma City over the next five years. 2541 01:57:47.119 --> 01:57:50.119 And I don't really go beyond five years because like 2542 01:57:50.279 --> 01:57:53.720 the NBA is, you know, the stuff's always unpredictable. But 2543 01:57:53.840 --> 01:57:55.800 I'll give it a solid five year window moving forward. 2544 01:57:55.840 --> 01:57:57.560 All right, fair enough, I'll sell you lose so you 2545 01:57:57.600 --> 01:57:59.800 can text your wife a picture of your nobuu while 2546 01:57:59.800 --> 01:58:04.600 she's eating her hot dog at halftime, Dave, thanks, thanks 2547 01:58:04.640 --> 01:58:07.640 for the time, and enjoy the game, all right, the 2548 01:58:07.640 --> 01:58:10.800 Great Dave mcminham an NBA Finals ninety minutes away game 2549 01:58:10.920 --> 01:58:14.760 six tyree Saliburton will play. Probably cliche to say, but 2550 01:58:14.840 --> 01:58:18.079 this has to be his best song, and maybe it is. 2551 01:58:18.159 --> 01:58:22.399 The almost famous scene where the guitarist his name is 2552 01:58:22.479 --> 01:58:26.760 Escaping Me played by Billy Crude, drops acid, jumps off 2553 01:58:26.800 --> 01:58:29.520 a roof of a house in to Peka, Kansas at 2554 01:58:29.560 --> 01:58:33.079 a party, lands in the swimming pool, and then is saved. 2555 01:58:34.000 --> 01:58:36.239 And then the bus scene. Of course, Penny Lane. I mean, 2556 01:58:36.279 --> 01:58:39.960 come on, doesn't get better than Penny Lane. 2557 01:58:41.119 --> 01:58:43.800 I think I think it's got to be the best song. 2558 01:58:44.840 --> 01:58:48.840 I'm not necessarily like a Elton John expert, to be clear. 2559 01:58:50.520 --> 01:58:52.479 I don't know that. I could name you a whole a 2560 01:58:52.479 --> 01:58:55.560 lot of his songs, but hey, this is a classic 2561 01:58:55.840 --> 01:58:58.439 no matter which way you stick. 2562 01:58:58.640 --> 01:59:01.199 Yeah, I mean it is almost famous. Is one of 2563 01:59:01.199 --> 01:59:03.840 my top five movies. It is a phenomenal film. Yes, 2564 01:59:03.920 --> 01:59:05.600 I call it a film because I'm pretentious. 2565 01:59:05.680 --> 01:59:06.119 I like that. 2566 01:59:06.239 --> 01:59:08.800 Shout out to Cameron Crowe. Kate Hudson is Penny Lane, 2567 01:59:08.960 --> 01:59:09.760 come on, man. 2568 01:59:09.920 --> 01:59:11.000 Film I call him? 2569 01:59:11.039 --> 01:59:12.439 I call him cinematic Adventures? 2570 01:59:12.479 --> 01:59:14.039 Okay, don't be pretentious. 2571 01:59:14.640 --> 01:59:17.359 Biggest movie crush you've ever had in your life, even 2572 01:59:17.359 --> 01:59:18.479 when you were young or whatever. 2573 01:59:18.600 --> 01:59:19.439 That's a good question. 2574 01:59:19.560 --> 01:59:22.319 Kate Hudson is Penny Penny Lane has to be up there. 2575 01:59:25.199 --> 01:59:26.319 Megan Fox was a big one. 2576 01:59:26.399 --> 01:59:28.560 Okay. Transformers, Yeah, you are a kid. 2577 01:59:29.279 --> 01:59:32.319 Jennifer Aniston always are. 2578 01:59:32.159 --> 01:59:32.840 You an Aniston? 2579 01:59:32.840 --> 01:59:33.000 Guy? 2580 01:59:33.000 --> 01:59:35.079 I didn't know that about you. Yeah, you want to? 2581 01:59:35.119 --> 01:59:36.960 You want to hear a super scorching hot take before 2582 01:59:36.960 --> 01:59:40.439 we say good night. Cordney Cox better looking than Jennifer Anis. 2583 01:59:40.520 --> 01:59:40.720 Wow? 2584 01:59:40.840 --> 01:59:42.359 Yeah, hot. I know it's a hot take. It's a 2585 01:59:42.359 --> 01:59:44.279 hot friend's take, but that's what the people come here 2586 01:59:44.279 --> 01:59:44.720 to listen to. 2587 01:59:44.800 --> 01:59:45.640 Hot friends takes. 2588 01:59:46.520 --> 01:59:50.479 Both pretty Kate, Jennifer Aniston's always wearing the Nick's gear 2589 01:59:50.560 --> 01:59:51.479 in the Friends episode. 2590 01:59:51.560 --> 01:59:52.680 True, it's true. 2591 01:59:52.680 --> 01:59:54.239 That may have been uh, I may have been the 2592 01:59:54.279 --> 01:59:55.279 killing see the The. 2593 01:59:55.199 --> 01:59:58.840 Only issue like obviously Kate Hudson playing Penny Lane. It's 2594 01:59:58.880 --> 02:00:03.479 a fictional character, and it's always like Rachel mcadam's wedding crashers. 2595 02:00:04.039 --> 02:00:06.640 There's no like, that's not real. Okay, she was way 2596 02:00:06.640 --> 02:00:08.520 too cool and way too Joe, Like, that's not a 2597 02:00:08.560 --> 02:00:10.600 real thing. So you fall in love with movie characters 2598 02:00:10.600 --> 02:00:11.920 but they're not real. But I'm gonna die on the 2599 02:00:12.000 --> 02:00:15.239 hill that Elton John's best song is a his tiny 2600 02:00:15.319 --> 02:00:18.920 dancer almost famous, Porter Larson, Are we talking about Game 2601 02:00:18.960 --> 02:00:21.319 seven tomorrow or are we talking about okac is the 2602 02:00:21.399 --> 02:00:22.039 NBA champs? 2603 02:00:22.039 --> 02:00:24.760 I think we're talking about an NBA champion Oklahoma City Thunder. 2604 02:00:24.840 --> 02:00:29.920 But I hope that's not true. I hope I'm wrong. Obviously, 2605 02:00:29.960 --> 02:00:33.079 Game seven's are something that if you're a sports fan, 2606 02:00:33.600 --> 02:00:35.600 especially if you're not a fan of the Pacers or 2607 02:00:35.640 --> 02:00:39.319 the Oklahoma City Thunder. That's all I'm cheering for is 2608 02:00:39.359 --> 02:00:42.159 to see a Game seven. There's nothing that matches that 2609 02:00:42.279 --> 02:00:45.439 level of urgency, that level of pressure, and there's not 2610 02:00:45.600 --> 02:00:49.920 you know, an uneven level of pressure. Both teams are winner, 2611 02:00:49.960 --> 02:00:55.079 go home, come at game seven. So you know, I 2612 02:00:55.079 --> 02:00:59.680 don't think so, but I think there's a chance. Here's 2613 02:00:59.680 --> 02:01:03.600 the thing with how this postseason has gone and how 2614 02:01:03.760 --> 02:01:07.720 Indiana has stayed alive through some of it, you almost 2615 02:01:07.800 --> 02:01:09.760 expect them to win a game six in which you 2616 02:01:09.800 --> 02:01:12.600 don't expect them to win. I know that doesn't make 2617 02:01:12.600 --> 02:01:15.920 any sense, but it's it's kind of the way I 2618 02:01:15.960 --> 02:01:19.520 feel going into this one. You know, an injured star player, 2619 02:01:20.960 --> 02:01:23.640 you're kind of counted out. Well, that's the perfect time 2620 02:01:23.640 --> 02:01:25.399 for the Pacers to win a game six and force 2621 02:01:25.439 --> 02:01:30.239 a game seven. But ultimately, if not tonight, I do 2622 02:01:30.279 --> 02:01:32.640 think we'll be talking about an OKAC thunder Championship in 2623 02:01:32.680 --> 02:01:33.399 the next few days. 2624 02:01:33.439 --> 02:01:34.399 I think I agree with you. 2625 02:01:34.520 --> 02:01:38.039 I'm gonna say my hot NBA Finals take tonight is 2626 02:01:38.079 --> 02:01:41.840 that it is over after this game. So we'll see, Okay, 2627 02:01:41.960 --> 02:01:44.920 see Indiana Pacers Game six, and the NBA Finals comes 2628 02:01:44.920 --> 02:01:46.920 your way coming up on the other side, all right, 2629 02:01:47.000 --> 02:01:49.279 port it before we say a goodnight? What comes our way? 2630 02:01:49.399 --> 02:01:51.800 On a Friday edition of this radio show. 2631 02:01:51.960 --> 02:01:55.439 On a Friday edition of the Drive, of course, we 2632 02:01:55.520 --> 02:02:00.479 will recap the NBA Finals Game six. It is okay 2633 02:02:00.520 --> 02:02:03.000 see in Indiana, Howard Beck stops buy for that one. 2634 02:02:03.039 --> 02:02:05.640 We'll double up on the NBA Daily Assist with one 2635 02:02:05.840 --> 02:02:09.439 Zach Harper Paul Pugmeyer for the latest in the golf world, 2636 02:02:09.439 --> 02:02:15.279 including reaction to jjspawns US Open, and we'll go from there. 2637 02:02:15.359 --> 02:02:18.279 Of course, it's myself and our friend Tony Parks in 2638 02:02:18.319 --> 02:02:18.520 for you. 2639 02:02:18.680 --> 02:02:20.680 There you go, yep, I'm out tomorrow, so give Porter 2640 02:02:20.720 --> 02:02:22.760 and Tony your ears. I'll be back on Monday and 2641 02:02:22.800 --> 02:02:25.079 we will say good night. Special thank you to Ben Solac, 2642 02:02:25.720 --> 02:02:28.319 Chris com, Ronnie, Dave mcminnimum Little Sports Court action on 2643 02:02:28.359 --> 02:02:29.760 a Thursday as well. 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Give Porter and 2655 02:02:54.119 --> 02:02:55.720 Tony your attention tomorrow and I'll talk to you on 2656 02:02:55.760 --> 02:02:58.520 a Monday edition of The Drive NBA Finals coming up 2657 02:02:58.600 --> 02:03:01.119 on the other side, right here on ESPN seven hundred 2658 02:03:01.159 --> 02:03:02.600 ninety two NFM. We are proud to be part of 2659 02:03:02.720 --> 02:03:04.560 Utah's ESPN Radio network.