Speaker 1: All right, let's get it.
Speaker 2: Drive time Thursday afternoon, ten minutes past the hour of
Speaker 2: two o'clock. It is hot, man, It is scorching hot today,
Speaker 2: about ninety two degrees sunny here in.
Speaker 1: Downtown Salt Lake City, Utah.
Speaker 2: Have like a random cool down Saturday, Sunday Monday situation,
Speaker 2: which might feel kind of good. We hit one hundred
Speaker 2: a little bit earlier. It's going to be a hot
Speaker 2: tomorrow as well. But as it is every single day,
Speaker 2: it's good to have you along for the ride. Spence
Speaker 2: checkets beyond the mic, Porter Larson back behind the glass
Speaker 2: after pulling double duty today, Porter and James holding it
Speaker 2: down as Sean is on the road with the PFL.
Speaker 1: So Porter and James.
Speaker 2: Doing a good job midday today on the radio station.
Speaker 2: Appreciate their work. So Porter is producing the show. He
Speaker 2: can take a few deep breaths after three hours on air,
Speaker 2: and we are jam packed and busy on a Thursday
Speaker 2: edition of the program. Could be the final day of
Speaker 2: the NBA season, could be the final day of the
Speaker 2: season in Pro basketballs the Oklahoma City Thunder, We'll look
Speaker 2: to complete what has really been a historic season all
Speaker 2: year long. They're going to try to knock off the
Speaker 2: Pacers tonight. As the series has returned to the Brick
Speaker 2: House in Indianapolis, Indiana Gainsbridge Field House, Oklahoma City is a
Speaker 2: healthy favor to win tonight, and all eyes on the
Speaker 2: status of Tyrese Haliburt. As of now, we are about
Speaker 2: fifty minutes away from Indiana's walkthrough prior to tip tonight,
Speaker 2: and sources indicate, not mine, others, not wildely sourced in Indianapolis,
Speaker 2: that they will decide excuse me, after the workout tonight
Speaker 2: whether or not Tyrees is going to go.
Speaker 1: So we'll let you know.
Speaker 2: It's about fifty minutes away from right now. Of course
Speaker 2: that decision will affect the line, and of course it
Speaker 2: will affect the flow of the basketball game. Tyree's really
Speaker 2: makes them go in a lot of ways. We'll talk
Speaker 2: about it on the show today. There ain't non the
Speaker 2: postseason when he scores twenty plus points, they're actually nine
Speaker 2: to zero. In the postseason when he has eleven plus assists,
Speaker 2: they're six and seven when he goes beneath twenty points.
Speaker 2: So of course they badly need him to go. But
Speaker 2: we'll get into it on the show. We are six
Speaker 2: days away from the NBA Draft, where the Utah Jazz
Speaker 2: as of now have the number five and the number
Speaker 2: twenty one pick in the first round, a couple of
Speaker 2: second rounders to boot. So we'll see if the Jazz
Speaker 2: Dan Patt, if they try to move up, or if
Speaker 2: they make a move prior to NBA Draft night. Want
Speaker 2: to remind you that we will have excellent coverage of
Speaker 2: the NBA Draft, coverage you won't find anywhere else, certainly
Speaker 2: in this market. But you know, low Bar Gordy chaser
Speaker 2: Richard Smith live in studio. I'll be anchoring our coverage
Speaker 2: for the both Round one and Round two coming up
Speaker 2: next week and then the Utah Mammoth almost at Hockey Club.
Speaker 1: We'll get there.
Speaker 2: We'll draft fourth overall in the NHL Draft the day
Speaker 2: after the NBA Draft concludes. So the latest on some
Speaker 2: of these prospects. Something weird is going on with Ace Bailey.
Speaker 2: Ace Bailey canceled his workout today in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 1: You know he's taking a lot of heat.
Speaker 2: Let me just say this, these decisions are never made
Speaker 2: by these young prospects, and Ace is very young. He's eighteen,
Speaker 2: He's still very much a kid. So it's not an
Speaker 2: Ace Bailey problem. That could be who is representing him,
Speaker 2: could be a problem with his reps or his agent
Speaker 2: or what have you. Rumors are that his agent, Ace
Speaker 2: is the only client that this agent has. I don't know,
Speaker 2: never heard of the agent. Really, what this usually means
Speaker 2: is the young man has a promise from a team.
Speaker 2: But as porter pointing it out during crosstalk, Philly is
Speaker 2: drafting three and it would be a wild upset if
Speaker 2: he had a promise from the top two. Certainly not one.
Speaker 2: There's no intrigue this year. That's Cooper Flagg. And most
Speaker 2: people believe Dylan Harper's off the board of two. So
Speaker 2: there's something up up here, and I'm not sure what
Speaker 2: it is. Now, if he's there at five, what do
Speaker 2: the Jazz do because and we'll get into this to
Speaker 2: help you guys kind of understand the landscape of NBA
Speaker 2: prospects prior to the draft and help Jazz fans get
Speaker 2: familiar with some of these young men. About five six
Speaker 2: months ago, there was a legitimate debate about Ace as
Speaker 2: one of the top two picks, let alone one of
Speaker 2: the top three. Now, Dylan Harper seems to have separated
Speaker 2: himself he's the only US based prospect yet to visit
Speaker 2: any clubs. He's declined multiple invitations from multiple teams. People
Speaker 2: still believe he's probably going to be drafted three to eight.
Speaker 2: Is he a player the Jazz would look at even
Speaker 2: though he's not going to show up.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: We'll have to see. So we'll talk to some NBA
Speaker 2: drafted on the show. NFL offseason news. Not a lot
Speaker 2: right now is OTA's and mini camps. You're kind of
Speaker 2: wrap it up, but we will talk some NFL today
Speaker 2: on the program with a really good guest, one of
Speaker 2: our favorites to talk NFL offseason. College football quiet right now,
Speaker 2: although if you're a BYU fan, you need to know
Speaker 2: the name Ryder Lions. He is the top rated quarterback
Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty six incoming recruiting class, and he
Speaker 2: is going to make his decision between Oregon and Brigham
Speaker 2: young Man the school on June the twenty fourth.
Speaker 1: And look, I'm not going to.
Speaker 2: Tell you I've been grinding tape on Rider Lions, but
Speaker 2: the more you read about him, the more that you
Speaker 2: understand he's very highly thought of.
Speaker 1: So it could be a big day for BYU.
Speaker 2: Grabbing the top draft pick, or excuse me, the top
Speaker 2: prospect in the twenty twenty six class. Utah Football has
Speaker 2: announced their home promotions.
Speaker 1: If you're into such things, we'll tell you what those are.
Speaker 2: For Utah Football, we have a little Gold Cup action
Speaker 2: as the US men's national team will be at action
Speaker 2: tonight against Saudi Arabia in group play. Diego Luna, our
Speaker 2: own Diego Luna from RSL, has been, in my estimation
Speaker 2: through one match, the best player on this team. So
Speaker 2: if you're looking for something to watch tonight and you're
Speaker 2: not necessarily a basketball fan, there's a little soccer on
Speaker 2: your television. A little bit later, we know the details
Speaker 2: on the cell of the La Lakers. We'll get in
Speaker 2: some of that stuff today, and I want to talk
Speaker 2: about throughout the course of the show with a couple
Speaker 2: of guests. I don't really know qual Tricks finances. I
Speaker 2: don't know Ryan's finances at all now. When it was
Speaker 2: announced that he was taking over the Jazz, a lot
Speaker 2: of people talked about I think a number of about
Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty five billion dollars, and I certainly
Speaker 2: would never crack a microphone and tell you that's not.
Speaker 1: A lot of money.
Speaker 2: But the money that's now coming into professional basketball. We're
Speaker 2: talking about groups and individuals that are like ten times
Speaker 2: wealthier than that number, which is astronomical. And the business
Speaker 2: of basketball worldwide is booming NBA Africa, of course, all
Speaker 2: the money to make in China. Ask Daryl Morey about
Speaker 2: how sensitive that topic is. So the finances of the
Speaker 2: NBA are changing, the business of basketball are changing. Behemoths
Speaker 2: are taking over basketball teams, and the new order of
Speaker 2: the Lakers is the owner of the Dodgers, and their
Speaker 2: payroll is about one hundred and thirty million more than
Speaker 2: any other team in Pro BAS. This dude is like
Speaker 2: disgustingly loaded. And the Lakers will now be able to
Speaker 2: operate like a legitimate business because they really have kind
Speaker 2: of been a sneaky mob and pop.
Speaker 1: Shop for a long time. Doctor Buss was not a
Speaker 1: rich man.
Speaker 2: Everything he had to buy the Lakers in nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 2: and you fast forward. He paid sixty seven million for
Speaker 2: the Lakers in seventy nine and the valuation now was
Speaker 2: ten billion dollars. The business of basketball is very good,
Speaker 2: So a lot to do on the program. Really Good
Speaker 2: Guest List three of my favorite guests will stop by today.
Speaker 2: We'll start off with some football, some NFL football with
Speaker 2: Ben Solac. For me, ESPN, I always enjoyed chatting football
Speaker 2: with Ben. He's a consistent friend of the show, has
Speaker 2: been before he became like uber famous. I feel like
Speaker 2: we kind of made Ben quite frankly, I would ever
Speaker 2: say that to him, even though I have a couple
Speaker 2: of different times. So we'll bring in Ben Solac on
Speaker 2: the program today to talk a little football. Move over
Speaker 2: to Chris com Rodnie live in studio Friday staple most
Speaker 2: of the time, but Ck will stop by today and
Speaker 2: we'll talk about a bunch of different things with Chris,
Speaker 2: some college football, some Utah football, maybe a little RSL
Speaker 2: us men's national team. And then good day to have
Speaker 2: Dave mcminnamon stopped by live from Indianapolis the preview tonight's
Speaker 2: game and to talk about the sell the LA Lakers,
Speaker 2: a little business of basketball conversation. The world of professional
Speaker 2: golf is focused on the Travelers Championship, where Austin eck
Speaker 2: Wrote shot a sixty two to eight hundred par Wyndham, Clark,
Speaker 2: Roy McElroy, Keegan Bradley, all of five under Scottie Scheffler five.
Speaker 1: Hundred through eleven.
Speaker 2: These guys are going low today after the challenge of
Speaker 2: the US Open. I would imagine they're breathing very, very easy.
Speaker 2: So Ben Solach, Chris Camrodnie Dave mcmanman and me Spence Check.
Speaker 2: Its all of you the great listeners. Happy Thursday afternoon
Speaker 2: to you. You're almost to the weekend. Hang on, you're
Speaker 2: almost there. And that guy pulling double duty today three
Speaker 2: hours in the midday hosting a show now producing Afternoon Drive.
Speaker 1: Hello Porter, Happy Thursday. How are you young man?
Speaker 4: Happy Thursday to you, Spence doing well, do well already
Speaker 4: you know, as you mentioned, well into the radio day,
Speaker 4: so ready to ready to finish it off.
Speaker 2: There you go, there you go, So a lot to
Speaker 2: get to on the program. Ben Solak will be our
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Speaker 2: this could be the final matchup of the NBA season
Speaker 2: as the Oklahoma City Thunder will look to close out
Speaker 2: the Indiana Pacers tonight at game Gainsbridge Fieldhouse. We are
Speaker 2: your home, of course of the NBA Finals in the market.
Speaker 2: It is a six thirty tip. After we say goodnight
Speaker 2: at six o'clock, we will send you to live coverage
Speaker 2: of this matchup tonight and it could be the final
Speaker 2: game of the NBA season. So of course, all the
Speaker 2: eyes are on this status of Tyree Saliburton, the head
Speaker 2: of the Snake of the Pacers, the star point guard
Speaker 2: of the Pacers, who had a really, really rough Game five.
Speaker 1: And just didn't look right.
Speaker 2: Indiana is going to hold a walk through and work
Speaker 2: out in about forty five minutes from right now. It
Speaker 2: will make a determination after that, according to ESPN and others.
Speaker 2: I think it's an interesting dynamic to consider. It probably
Speaker 2: will just list him game time and then we'll see
Speaker 2: if he's actually out there to play. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know if this is gainsmanship from Rick Carlisle. Rick
Speaker 2: is known for his gamesmanship. You can ask Tom Thibodaux
Speaker 2: about that, so this could be a bit of a
Speaker 2: smoke screen. I honestly have no clue what does Indiana
Speaker 2: do if he cannot go? But I always find this
Speaker 2: dynamic interesting because Tyree's talked about this himself after Game
Speaker 2: five when he was asked like so, in Game five,
Speaker 2: Tyree Sliburton had five drives to the basket. Five drives
Speaker 2: to the basket for a guy that likes to get
Speaker 2: to the ten, that's the lowest amount of drives he's
Speaker 2: had all year long, regular season, postseason, combined.
Speaker 1: He didn't look right.
Speaker 2: And you know, I always get a kick out of
Speaker 2: media members that played doctor in these situations talking about
Speaker 2: what could happen if he plays. But when it comes
Speaker 2: to this calf strain, we do have several examples of
Speaker 2: potential collateral damage if you push it and you go.
Speaker 1: You remember Kevin Durant going down.
Speaker 2: For the Golden State Warriors when the Toronto Raptors won
Speaker 2: the NBA Championship. That was as a result of a
Speaker 2: calf strain that they pushed in the wrong direction, and
Speaker 2: of course that adversely affected Durant quite frankly for a
Speaker 2: couple of years. He missed an entire season of basketball,
Speaker 2: wasn't really himself when he initially came back. So there's
Speaker 2: that risk, and you do need to mitigate that if
Speaker 2: you're an organization, and if you also remember during that series.
Speaker 2: So it's very rare after an NBA Finals game to
Speaker 2: hear from anyone other than players and coaches.
Speaker 1: It almost never happens.
Speaker 2: And I'm watching the game, Durant goes down, you know,
Speaker 2: and the Raptors win, And the first person from the
Speaker 2: Golden State Warriors to address the media was Bob Myers.
Speaker 1: Manager.
Speaker 2: It wasn't Steve Kerr, it wasn't steph of course, it
Speaker 2: wasn't KD. I'd go to the hospital. It wasn't Draymond,
Speaker 2: wasn't Clay, it was Bob Myers, because he had to
Speaker 2: get out in front of the story that they potentially
Speaker 2: could be held liable here for their malfeasance allowing Kevin
Speaker 2: Durant to play when he was clearly compromised. You have
Speaker 2: to stop the narrative that you do not have a
Speaker 2: great health and conditioning staff, that your training staff might
Speaker 2: have made the wrong call. So Bob Myers clearly stepping
Speaker 2: in front of a microphone to try to get in
Speaker 2: front of that really really was somewhat interesting to me.
Speaker 2: And so if you're Indiana, you've got to be careful here.
Speaker 2: But the other side of this, as Tyree said himself
Speaker 2: after Game five, this is a lifelong dream for Hoopers,
Speaker 2: for basketball players, this is a lifelong dream anyone who's
Speaker 2: ever played basketball with any premonition of being good at it,
Speaker 2: You dreamed of hitting a game winning shot in the
Speaker 2: NBA Finals. You're out in your backyard, you count down
Speaker 2: three to two to one, you shoot the shot, You
Speaker 2: make it. Okay, we beat the Bulls. That was my
Speaker 2: thing because the Bulls always be the Nicks, and you
Speaker 2: dream about the opportunity that Tyreese has right now. And
Speaker 2: if we're honest, the highway of NBA basketball Pro basketball
Speaker 2: is littered with bodies of players that made it to.
Speaker 1: One NBA Finals and never made it back.
Speaker 2: So if you're Tyree Saliburton, you badly want to play tonight.
Speaker 2: But on the flip side, conversely, if you're compromised, you
Speaker 2: could cost your team a chance at fortune a game seven. Now,
Speaker 2: do I think Indiana can go to Oklahoma City and
Speaker 2: win a game seven?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: But so many crazy things happen when it simply do
Speaker 2: or die. It's what makes March Madness so awesome. And
Speaker 2: when it's a one off, what if Shay rolls an
Speaker 2: ankle in the first quarter. What if I don't know,
Speaker 2: Benedict Matherin just goes nuts and goes for a half
Speaker 2: a hundred or something, we've seen it. What if the
Speaker 2: thunder just frees up because they're a young team that's
Speaker 2: never had this opportunity before. If you can force a
Speaker 2: game seven, everything is on the table. That's why game
Speaker 2: sevens are awesome. So if you're Tyree Saliburton, you have
Speaker 2: to weigh that is it smarter to sit if you're
Speaker 2: compromised and hope that the Bill Simmons Patrick Ewing theory
Speaker 2: actually comes to fruition.
Speaker 1: And that's simply this.
Speaker 2: When your star player goes down, the sum of the
Speaker 2: parts are able to step up and maybe play better
Speaker 2: basketball than they ever have before to make sure that
Speaker 2: they're keeping up despite losing their best player.
Speaker 1: And we do see it happen quite often.
Speaker 2: There are potentially only two games left for the Pacers
Speaker 2: to lift a championship that nobody thought they had a
Speaker 2: shot of even sniffing. So if you're ty reech you
Speaker 2: have to weigh that out. And if it really is
Speaker 2: up to the training staff. After he does this walk
Speaker 2: through coming up in about forty minutes, my guess is
Speaker 2: he does not go. If he has any say, my
Speaker 2: guess is he tries. But here's the problem with that.
Speaker 2: If Tyree Saliburton is fifty sixty percent and he steps
Speaker 2: out on the floor and tries to give it a go,
Speaker 2: you know what Mark Dadnold's gonna do. Put him in
Speaker 2: every every single action possible on defense, pick and roll.
Speaker 2: They will milk the clock until there's five seconds left
Speaker 2: to force switches to get Tyres on the ball to
Speaker 2: make sure he's moving as much as possible, and then,
Speaker 2: of course if you do that, what happens on the
Speaker 2: other end of the floor. Offensively, he's simply not gonna
Speaker 2: be the same because he's so gassed. This is a
Speaker 2: very interesting dynamic. Not sure how it's going to play out,
Speaker 2: but it will be really interesting again. In about thirty
Speaker 2: five minutes from right now, Indiana has their walkthrough prior
Speaker 2: to the game tonight. We will know then, according to sources,
Speaker 2: whether or not Tyres is gonna go. Let me rephrase
Speaker 2: that they will make the determination during the walkthrough if
Speaker 2: he's going to play. My guess is we won't know
Speaker 2: until tip whether or not he's going. The line has
Speaker 2: not moved. Okay, so it's still five and a half
Speaker 2: for whatever that says. Vegas believes Oklahoma City is a
Speaker 2: five point five point favorite. Tyree's status doesn't seem to
Speaker 2: have affected that one way or the other, but we'll
Speaker 2: have to see how it goes. We have some good
Speaker 2: NBA guest one live in Indianapolis and Dave mcminnimon could
Speaker 2: be the final game of the NBA season tonight could
Speaker 2: be saying goodbye to pro basketball coming up in about
Speaker 2: four hours from right now. Tip Off is six thirty
Speaker 2: Mountain time at Gainesbridge Field House in Indianapolis, Indiana, where
Speaker 2: you're home of the NBA Finals. So when we say
Speaker 2: good night at six o'clock, we'll send you live to
Speaker 2: ESPN's coverage of the game tonight. We've got Chris Comaddie
Speaker 2: and studio. We have Dave mcminnimon live on site.
Speaker 1: Today. The LA Lakers were sold. We'll get to that.
Speaker 1: But our first guests.
Speaker 2: I always enjoy talking football with the great Ben Solac
Speaker 2: from ESPN.
Speaker 1: Ben, Happy Thursday, man. How you doing?
Speaker 7: Oh well then, how you Ben?
Speaker 2: I'm good buddy. So what's got your attention right now?
Speaker 2: This really is a little bit of a down period.
Speaker 2: Of course, football is always topical for people. But what's
Speaker 2: got the Ben Solac antenna's up right now?
Speaker 7: What are you talking about? The Ravens are still in
Speaker 7: mini camp, but it's like day six or something. What
Speaker 7: a thrill? Yeah. The biggest thing that I'm watching for
Speaker 7: at this stage is always contract extensions hold out that
Speaker 7: sort of a thing. Bengals and Trey Henderson is something
Speaker 7: that's been covered now for over a year, since he's
Speaker 7: been requesting a trade and requesting an extension. I'm very
Speaker 7: curious to see how that continues, especially with stimulate a
Speaker 7: lot of the locker room behind the tray and really
Speaker 7: the players kind of understanding why he's holding out like this.
Speaker 7: I think this is going to go a long running
Speaker 7: as can to go through training camp, and I expect,
Speaker 7: I think it's more likely than not to end in
Speaker 7: a trade. It's like a sixty to forty thing. I
Speaker 7: think they're both likely, but I would expect to trade
Speaker 7: in that one. And then the other one that's a
Speaker 7: big deal is in Washington wide receiver Terry mclauran, who
Speaker 7: I very much expect to be back in a commander's
Speaker 7: uniform this year. I think that will end in an extension.
Speaker 7: But Terry's asking for a lot of money and rightfully so,
Speaker 7: and the commanders are kind of, you know, painting into
Speaker 7: a corner here with his demands. They do not have
Speaker 7: a strong wide receiver room behind mclaur and obviously they
Speaker 7: added Deebo same with this year, but it's still a
Speaker 7: thin group and they're trying to compete, right, it's June Dangles,
Speaker 7: it's a rookie contract time. Like, let's go, we were
Speaker 7: just an ant a championship game. They can't waste time
Speaker 7: with screw around mclaur not at camp, and then you know,
Speaker 7: potentially missing time and what have you. And so the
Speaker 7: main thing that I'm watching whenever we get to this,
Speaker 7: right June July window is usually franchise tag stuff. But
Speaker 7: the only guy in the tag was here was Trey
Speaker 7: Smith and the then his contract extension stuff.
Speaker 2: All right, good stuff, good stuff. Let's start with low
Speaker 2: hanging fruit. Good ridden. Saron Rodgers as a Jets fan.
Speaker 2: He's the quarterback for the Steelers. Now, of course, everybody
Speaker 2: was waiting for the decision. It came down in very
Speaker 2: classic Aaron Rodgers fashion. How's this going to look? What
Speaker 2: do you think it's going to look like in Pittsburgh?
Speaker 7: Fine? Okay, acceptable, You know, it's hard to get thrilled
Speaker 7: about this. I think even if you got some version
Speaker 7: of Aaron Rodgers that was an MVP guy three or
Speaker 7: four or five years ago, which I just don't think
Speaker 7: he can get given how old he is now coming
Speaker 7: off of the injury and what have you, we're still
Speaker 7: talking about a team. His best weapon is dcame met Calf,
Speaker 7: which is decays a good receiver in the NFL, but
Speaker 7: as far as wide receiver ones go, he's more on
Speaker 7: the low end of that spectrum. Their second third options
Speaker 7: are are Pat Fryar Music who again to have like
Speaker 7: a league average tight end, Calvin Austin, Robert Woods. They
Speaker 7: got a third round rookie running back and Caleb Johnson
Speaker 7: there to split time with. With Jalen Woren out, Najie
Speaker 7: Harrison out of the building, You've Arthur Smith at a
Speaker 7: play caller. It's guys who's been around. It's guys that
Speaker 7: can be handy. Again, like it's not a bad group
Speaker 7: by any stretch, but it's just not a great supporting cast.
Speaker 7: And that's if you get good Rogers. There's also a
Speaker 7: lot of worlds where you get bad Rogers. It's the
Speaker 7: world of the j just been living through alasco of
Speaker 7: last season, I should say, in terms of some of
Speaker 7: the decision making and kind of throwing a whole bunch
Speaker 7: of go balls really early, and he can't extend plays anymore.
Speaker 7: He gets frustrated with his receivers, with his play callers.
Speaker 7: There there's just there's a lot that can go wrong
Speaker 7: in Pittsburgh. And then even if you hit right and
Speaker 7: you nail the netcap trade and Rogers is good for
Speaker 7: a year and what have you, it stills me a
Speaker 7: pretty low stealing offense. So they're hoping, I guess, for
Speaker 7: that right sixteenth best offense and then a top ten
Speaker 7: defense and that that brings him to the playoffs again.
Speaker 7: But it's hard for me to see them getting any
Speaker 7: further than that.
Speaker 1: We'll stick with low hanging fruit.
Speaker 2: And I will ask you about Justin Fields and Aaron
Speaker 2: Glenn and my New York Jets, even though, as I've
Speaker 2: told you over the years, no part to me believes
Speaker 2: in their ability to do anything right. And I'm still
Speaker 2: in that space. What it's going to what's what's this
Speaker 2: going to look like? Ben both now and what's the plan?
Speaker 2: What's the plan for this team moving forward?
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I think that the Justin Fields tire kick
Speaker 7: is the correct way to go about things. This is
Speaker 7: going to be a long term rebuild. There's no doubt
Speaker 7: about that. Aaron Gunn was in Detroit, which is the
Speaker 7: team that took things very slow in there, rebuilt General
Speaker 7: manager Darren Moogie was in Denver. What is the team
Speaker 7: that tried to fast track or reload right, all right,
Speaker 7: Nathania Hacket Russell Wilson's humongous trade, big extension go and
Speaker 7: it didn't work.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 7: You kind of experienced how you put the car before
Speaker 7: the horse. You end up crashing and burning, and you
Speaker 7: can really throw a wrench in your team's future cap space.
Speaker 7: So I effect the build here to go quite slow. Accordingly,
Speaker 7: you bring in a player like Fields on a like
Speaker 7: fee tier contract, right, it feels like a big contract
Speaker 7: out twenty million per year if you look at NFL
Speaker 7: quarterback contracts, I mean, like you know, Danio Jones got
Speaker 7: fourteen million for one season. Right, This is just kind
Speaker 7: of the maybe he can be a spot star for
Speaker 7: US deal. It's totally to bring in Field to parent
Speaker 7: Mcgarrett Wilson has been the probably he's gonna be the
Speaker 7: best receiver that Fields has played with at the NFL level.
Speaker 7: And you give Kanner Engstrom the new OC there a
Speaker 7: year or two figure out what he can do with
Speaker 7: the rushing quarterback. Justin Field is not a hard quarterback
Speaker 7: to figure out. You have to involve him in the
Speaker 7: design running game. You have to play option football. You
Speaker 7: have to let him run downhill. But most of his
Speaker 7: coordinators have historically not wanted to do this with him. Right,
Speaker 7: Arthur Smith was running quick game stuff, being not involved
Speaker 7: in too much in the option game there in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 7: Before that, you go to Denver where it was Shane
Speaker 7: Waldron and it was Matt Naggy, and they just were
Speaker 7: not heavy movers of the guy.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 7: They did wasn't run the option offense. And so I
Speaker 7: think that Aaron Glenn's experience in Detroit and his Lions teams,
Speaker 7: his Lions defenses tended to get shredded by fields on
Speaker 7: the ground. He was so good against Detroit's man covered specifically,
Speaker 7: I think he knows the value of having that eleven
Speaker 7: or eleven quarterback, that true dual threat option quarterback. I
Speaker 7: think you just see fields carry the ball at some
Speaker 7: of the league highest levels this year for quarterbacks, and
Speaker 7: they're gonna have some splashy off at the performances. Accordingly,
Speaker 7: it's turning out the consistency in the draftback game and
Speaker 7: not taking them any sacks. That's what limits justin field.
Speaker 7: So you give him a year kind of see if
Speaker 7: he can earn an extension from you if he can
Speaker 7: be a guy long term. It's not dissimilar to what
Speaker 7: they did with Jared Goffen Detroit. They brought him in
Speaker 7: and said, you were good in the past, We're gonna
Speaker 7: try to see if you can do something here. We're
Speaker 7: gonna let you hold the job, and if you hold
Speaker 7: it for a year, hold it for another. Your hope
Speaker 7: for he has yours if you can to take control
Speaker 7: of it. That's exactly what Golf did. I think that's
Speaker 7: what they're doing with Fields in New York.
Speaker 2: I'll take advantage of Avenue on today to get a
Speaker 2: couple of thoughts on local storylines. And it was a
Speaker 2: quiet draft for our local college teams, juxtaposed to what
Speaker 2: it typically is with you. Todd Bergham Young but Jackson
Speaker 2: Dark played his high school ball about twenty minutes from
Speaker 2: where we're broadcasting today. He lands with the Giants, who
Speaker 2: of course also have signed Russell Wilson and Jamis Winston.
Speaker 2: Do you think they'll be able to keep him on
Speaker 2: the bench all year or do you think they've seen
Speaker 2: enough where maybe he gets a look as a rookie.
Speaker 7: I'd be stunned if they can keep him on the
Speaker 7: bench all year simply because Brian da able to head
Speaker 7: coach there Joe Shane the general manager. There are both
Speaker 7: guesses in round for years. Seat's starting to get a
Speaker 7: little hot. The objective for both those individuals is to
Speaker 7: get to the twenty twenty six off season and be
Speaker 7: able to turn to the Merit family and claim, this
Speaker 7: is why you got to keep me for another year. Right,
Speaker 7: This is hold onto the job here. See, if you
Speaker 7: try to rebuild it again, it's hard to get there
Speaker 7: with excitement for Russell Wilson, It's hard to get there
Speaker 7: with the excitement for Jameis Winston. But if you can
Speaker 7: get a good back half of the season for Jackson Dart,
Speaker 7: all we're building on something. We went four and four
Speaker 7: down the stretch, Like you know, we're figuring it out.
Speaker 7: Many of the ability to kind of hold onto that
Speaker 7: job for another year, get another crack in an off
Speaker 7: season to draft and build from there. So I very
Speaker 7: much expect Jackson Dart to start at some point. I
Speaker 7: would not be surprised if you kind of see the
Speaker 7: sacrificial veteran starter quarterback until we get to kind of
Speaker 7: an easier part of the schedule, and then we play
Speaker 7: the rookie. If you look at the Giants starting the season,
Speaker 7: they have the Commanders, the Cowboys, the Chiefs, the Chargers,
Speaker 7: the Saints, the Eagles, the Broncos, the Eagles. That's their
Speaker 7: first eight weeks.
Speaker 6: That's brutal.
Speaker 7: Man. I think that is fair. There's a lot of
Speaker 7: playoffs being in the first half of the schedule, so
Speaker 7: I think they're going to to start Russ, be training
Speaker 7: Jackson up, and then be looking for that opportunity to
Speaker 7: kind of get him a soft onboard a few easier
Speaker 7: start somewhere mid season. That'd be my ETI vacation.
Speaker 2: It's probably okay to say that the Niners had no
Speaker 2: choice to pay brock Party what they did, But it's
Speaker 2: also probably fair to say, wow, that's a lot for
Speaker 2: brock Party. Since you and I last spoke, the contract
Speaker 2: came down five years to sixty five. Obviously, San Fran
Speaker 2: had to make some really difficult decisions. So your thoughts
Speaker 2: on the pretty contract and what it means for the Niners.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you say that here. It's past of doing business, right.
Speaker 7: Quarterback contracts and quarterback rankings feel like they should be
Speaker 7: something that's very like complex. It's actually that's very simple,
Speaker 7: It's okay, can we go to the super Bowl with
Speaker 7: this guy? Like if he if he above a bar
Speaker 7: such that we can make a Super Bowl rue with him, yes,
Speaker 7: then he's going to get paid an insane amount of money.
Speaker 7: Right now, if he were Lamar Jackson not brock perty
Speaker 7: maybe he's making sixty three million a year instead of
Speaker 7: fifty three million a year, but he's going to be
Speaker 7: above that. That kind of Mendoza Ligne, right, you should
Speaker 7: be the Derek Car line. Derek Car is not the
Speaker 7: league anymore, but that line, like is a Baker Mayfield
Speaker 7: Trevor Lawrence line of this guy's just good enough. Like,
Speaker 7: if you're better than these players, then yeah, you're just
Speaker 7: gonna get mega contracts. And if you're worse than these players,
Speaker 7: you're probably not. You know, it becomes oddly black and
Speaker 7: white for such an important position, such a complex position.
Speaker 7: You either are a dude capable of taking a team
Speaker 7: there or you aren't. And then Niners obviously have proof
Speaker 7: of concept. They have been to that game with Brockberty
Speaker 7: at quarterbacks. Now, if they had to come in at
Speaker 7: sixty million per year, I would maybe be here and say, man,
Speaker 7: I don't know if that feels like too much, how
Speaker 7: did he get above Justin Herbert? How to get above
Speaker 7: these other guys? I thought the guy at a pretty
Speaker 7: decent price tag for where the rest of the quarterbacks
Speaker 7: are coming in. They got him around with Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 7: two a huge by lot the number that feels correct
Speaker 7: to me in terms of where he ranks among those
Speaker 7: top twelve, top fifteen quarterbacks. But there's no doubt that
Speaker 7: the Margins get a lot center now for Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 7: and for John Lynch and Kyle s canahan's been making
Speaker 7: his money. You know, Kyle Sknahan's been providing value on
Speaker 7: his contract as the head coach to the forty nine ers.
Speaker 7: There's no doubt he's one of the best steamers in
Speaker 7: the league. Lynch, he's been doing his part. They're very
Speaker 7: successful drafting these brown three guys, round four guys. That's
Speaker 7: still the defense. With all these rookies. Lynch and Chann
Speaker 7: have been doing the jobs. Now they have a quarterback
Speaker 7: in brock Through financially speaking, is saying this is the
Speaker 7: guy for us. So the Niners are selling you a
Speaker 7: bill that we have the general manager to make this run.
Speaker 7: The head coach make this run and the quarterback to
Speaker 7: make this run. We'll see.
Speaker 6: It was a big.
Speaker 7: Reload year for them. I don't think twenty twenty five
Speaker 7: necessarily year they're going to get back to the big game.
Speaker 7: But if they get some good plan of these young players,
Speaker 7: rebuild the offense a little bit, twenty twenty six spect
Speaker 7: now just to be back in full force.
Speaker 2: Another local story of a player that you and I
Speaker 2: have spoke about over the years, and I never really
Speaker 2: understood the Jets being enamored enough with Zach Wilson to
Speaker 2: draft him when they did. And I also understand BYU
Speaker 2: fans that are blind and blue saying he landed in
Speaker 2: the wrong organization. There's merit there, for sure. He is
Speaker 2: getting a second chance, though, what do you think it
Speaker 2: looks like? And will he be the backup by the way,
Speaker 2: the first choice backup to two in Miami.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he will be the backup to two
Speaker 7: in Miami. And I also think that because it'll be
Speaker 7: the backup to two in Miami, will probably see them
Speaker 7: at some point. Right. That's just kind of what to
Speaker 7: his health situation usually ends up being. It's a good
Speaker 7: offense for him. The success of Zach Wilson. The good
Speaker 7: of Zach Wilson is the quick release, the ability to
Speaker 7: throw off platform which is a non negotiable in this
Speaker 7: Dolphins offense. You have to get rid of the ball
Speaker 7: very quickly. You have to be able to throw RPOs,
Speaker 7: you know, play action throw for some weird platforms. So
Speaker 7: I think it's an offense in which he can look good.
Speaker 7: And the nature of quarterbacking, and specifically quarterback two in
Speaker 7: the NFL is that if you got drafted early, you
Speaker 7: get like three or four cracks of this. Right, it's
Speaker 7: Baker Mayfield theorem. Right, who went to Carolina? It did
Speaker 7: not work. He was waived in all of the season.
Speaker 7: You went to the Rams started one random week. Okay,
Speaker 7: he goes to the Buccaneers on a one year, four
Speaker 7: million dollar deal. Bang, all of a sudden, we figured
Speaker 7: it out.
Speaker 4: Do you know?
Speaker 7: Smith, same thing. A couple of backup spots before the
Speaker 7: Seattle success, Sam Donald, a couple of backup spots before
Speaker 7: the Minnesota success. Zach Wilson was the second overall pick.
Speaker 7: Everybody in the league knows his name, scouted him, watched
Speaker 7: one of his BYU games for multiple years, loved the
Speaker 7: arm talent, loved the mobility. He's going to keep getting
Speaker 7: bite of the apple. Right, He got his bite in
Speaker 7: the apple in Denver. All Right, Bonix is good to
Speaker 7: worry about it. He's going to get his biting in
Speaker 7: the apple in Miami. Maybe two. It does go down
Speaker 7: for eight weeks. Maybe Zachelson has a great eight weeks
Speaker 7: and it gives him a chance to win a starting
Speaker 7: job somewhere else. Or maybe it never happens and he'll
Speaker 7: be the backup in Los Angeles. Rams and it's che McVay,
Speaker 7: and it's another bite. That's just when you're early drafted,
Speaker 7: you get so many cracks of this that it's very
Speaker 7: likely you carvel a decent career as a QB two
Speaker 7: just by virtue of name recognition.
Speaker 1: All Right.
Speaker 2: PAC twelve may rest in peace, even though it's been resurrected.
Speaker 2: It's just a different league. But of course, as a
Speaker 2: result of the University of Utah's affiliation for a number
Speaker 2: of years, we saw a lot of these quarterbacks play
Speaker 2: up close. So I want to stick with the quarterbacks
Speaker 2: and stick with some former Pac twelve quarterbacks. And it
Speaker 2: was a wild off season for Caleb Williams for a
Speaker 2: number of different reasons. You know, they have a new
Speaker 2: coach who's an offensive juggernaut at least that's his reputation,
Speaker 2: and they do have a loaded offensive roster. What does
Speaker 2: year two for Caleb Williams in Chicago look like?
Speaker 7: Ben, Yeah, So go back and you watch some like
Speaker 7: truly disastrous rookie quarterback seasons. You go back and you
Speaker 7: watch twenty eighteen Mitch Trubisky, and you go back, you
Speaker 7: watch twenty twenty three Bryce Young, like the sort of
Speaker 7: seasons that we watched and we were like, dang, like
Speaker 7: this is just this might not be he might be done.
Speaker 7: And then you go and you watch Caleb. Caleb clearly
Speaker 7: had a better season than that group. He absolutely did.
Speaker 7: Like statistically, it's born out, he's you know, higher yards
Speaker 7: for drop back, higher success right, Like he just was
Speaker 7: overall a little bit more effective. But then when you
Speaker 7: watch it especially, you see more peak plays, more than
Speaker 7: ninety percentile, Holy smokes, how did he throw that? How
Speaker 7: did he escape that place? You see fewer like ten percentile?
Speaker 7: What a disaster? What was he looking at? Horrible stack,
Speaker 7: horrible interception plays? And then the reality is that the
Speaker 7: plays in between the kind of average plays good plays,
Speaker 7: not so good plays just continues to fail at the
Speaker 7: feet of a extremely bad offensive system there in Chicago,
Speaker 7: so poorly coached receivers constantly out of position, lazy routes,
Speaker 7: bad pass production, bad rules, back flowing, the responsibility, a
Speaker 7: horrible situational football like it just the incubator was so bad.
Speaker 7: Anybody who says, oh, you know, Zach Wilson ended up
Speaker 7: in the bath spot with the Jets for as correct
Speaker 7: as they might be, like the Caleb Williams landing spot
Speaker 7: for the twenty twenty four Bears, and that Shane Waldron
Speaker 7: offense was deplorable, so you just assumed that the floor right.
Speaker 7: Just Williams. Again, we're not talking about the nineties percentile
Speaker 7: heroics plays got m drafted first overall, nor are we
Speaker 7: talking about the terrible ten percentile plays he had. Bad misses.
Speaker 7: He takes these egregious acts. Just his middling plays, his
Speaker 7: average plays, are going to result in much more functional offenses.
Speaker 7: There's gonna be a lot more second and sixes, a
Speaker 7: lot more third and fours in this offensive than were
Speaker 7: last year, where it was second in tens and third
Speaker 7: and fifteen. Because the tide should rise around him that
Speaker 7: rising tide of Ben Johnson, that rising tide of better
Speaker 7: players should just lift all boats there in the Chicago offense.
Speaker 7: So I expect a much better year two. He's got
Speaker 7: to get the stack numbers down. God learned how to
Speaker 7: get rid of the ball a little bit quicker. The
Speaker 7: lack of deep ball connections with Roma, Dunesday and DJ
Speaker 7: Mories are serious concerns. There's things to improve upon, But
Speaker 7: if he plays like exactly the same as he does
Speaker 7: as he did last year, there's no improvement. The Bear's
Speaker 7: offense is still is going to be a lot better
Speaker 7: because the other can around him, plus play color are
Speaker 7: just gonna be a lot more functional.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard Ben, but should Or
Speaker 2: Sanders fell the fifth round.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you caught.
Speaker 6: Win for me?
Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, I'm breaking news on the radio.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: So the Browns QB room is Joe Flacco. Can he Pickett,
Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel and should Or Sanders? Who comes out on top?
Speaker 2: Who's under center for the Browns this year?
Speaker 7: I asked me in August, Man, I got no idea.
Speaker 7: It's so it's about as bad of a quarterback room
Speaker 7: situation and that I've ever heard of. I'll tell you
Speaker 7: what I what I believe to be true, what I
Speaker 7: believe confidently, and then I've got nothing for you afterwards.
Speaker 7: I don't think this team will keep Sanders and cut
Speaker 7: Dylan Gabriel. It would be shocking, right, It's gonna be
Speaker 7: hard to carry four quarterbacks already hard enough to carry three.
Speaker 7: And so if they are committed to flacout and they're
Speaker 7: committed to picket, I think that they're going to keep
Speaker 7: Dylan Gabriel. They drafted him two rounds earlier. He's not
Speaker 7: the you know, media headache that Sanders is. And then
Speaker 7: they'll cut Sanders and we'll see if they can get
Speaker 7: him back on the practice farder me somebody else will
Speaker 7: take them up. So I firmly believe that if they
Speaker 7: keep the two veterans, they keep Gabriel over Sanders, and
Speaker 7: un accordingly, Sanders would be a fifty three men cut
Speaker 7: in August. Doesn't mean he won't make the practice squad
Speaker 7: and we won't see him play, which is that will
Speaker 7: be the transaction when we get the fifty three men
Speaker 7: roster cut. So I believe that to be true. And
Speaker 7: then the second thing I believe to be true, is
Speaker 7: that Kenny Picket's the worst quarterback in that group. I
Speaker 7: just I've seen enough Picket at the NFL level. I
Speaker 7: know that there's just there's a very thin window to
Speaker 7: the future for Kenny Picket. Physical attributes are not that strong.
Speaker 7: The mental attributes are really lacking over his time there
Speaker 7: in Pittsburgh. I don't think this is a good offensive
Speaker 7: system for him. It's very hard to imagine beating out
Speaker 7: just Joe Flacco and what Flacco has been in the
Speaker 7: past of the Browns, and so I do think that
Speaker 7: from a quality perspective, there's a way for Sanders to
Speaker 7: be the third best or maybe even better quarterback on
Speaker 7: that roster. But I'm not sure he's going to get
Speaker 7: that sort of a treatment over a veteran like Ticket
Speaker 7: for whom they traded it. Of course, they traded for
Speaker 7: Piket and then drafted two quarterbacks later. So I think
Speaker 7: he's a dart throw just like the rest of them.
Speaker 7: So again, I think I think Gabriel's on the roster
Speaker 7: for sure. I think Flack was on the roster for sure.
Speaker 7: I got nothing else through you after that.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, we've got a lot of Bronco fans around here,
Speaker 2: and they've got a former Pack twelve quarterback under center.
Speaker 2: Year two, they had Evan Ingram, they grab r j
Speaker 2: Harvey in the second round, and they've got a good
Speaker 2: young wide receiver group Courtland Sutton. Of course, really good
Speaker 2: year last year. What is year two for Denver look
Speaker 2: like with BONICKX under center.
Speaker 7: I think it's going to quite good. They knew they
Speaker 7: needed to get more weapons. They did a very nice job,
Speaker 7: you know, kind of coloring in the best. They coued
Speaker 7: players like Marvin Min's last year and the big rotation
Speaker 7: at tight end von Bele. And so they add ar
Speaker 7: Jie Harvey in the second round running back out of UCF,
Speaker 7: theyd Pat Bryant out of Illinois, third round wide receiver,
Speaker 7: to bring Evan Ingram the tight end like you brought up.
Speaker 7: Just to bring more weapons into the fold. Champagne's offense
Speaker 7: is always going to be an offense that sees a
Speaker 7: lot of mouths, and so it's not sort of offense
Speaker 7: where it's like, all right, we have Courtland Sutton, let's go,
Speaker 7: you know, trade for a star receiver.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 7: They just kind of want to have bodies on bodies.
Speaker 7: They big rotations. They have tons of personnel groupings, and
Speaker 7: that's how they say. They stay very multiple and they
Speaker 7: stay hard to deal with. It's gonna be a very
Speaker 7: high floor offense. It's gonna be a very functional offense.
Speaker 7: That's what it was for the back half of last season.
Speaker 7: We've got to remember Nick started the season really rough, right.
Speaker 7: It was had no touchdowns to four picks. He was
Speaker 7: one of the worst quarterbacks in the league by the
Speaker 7: success rate time to throw. The water was up to
Speaker 7: his neck. He was kind of drinking through the fire
Speaker 7: hose the way the rookies often due. And then Sean
Speaker 7: did a nice job I think dialing back some of
Speaker 7: what Boat was responsible for in the offense. They started
Speaker 7: throwing the ball behind the line of scrimmage, a lot
Speaker 7: swing passes, screens designed to check down, just get rid
Speaker 7: of the ball quickly. We had a lot of sprint
Speaker 7: out stuff that he was familiar with in college, and
Speaker 7: that eased his onboarding process. Got a lot more confident,
Speaker 7: got a lot more accurate as the season went on.
Speaker 7: Very interesting to see how we come out of the
Speaker 7: gate in year two. If he is Boat ready for
Speaker 7: a bigger menu, or if we put a bigger menu
Speaker 7: in front of him. Is he going to have a
Speaker 7: regression again, We're going to kind of have to dial
Speaker 7: back his responsibility. So the floor is set quite nicely.
Speaker 7: Sean Payton run great offense. They have a lot of weapons.
Speaker 7: The ceiling is bo and the ceiling is if you
Speaker 7: took a sophomore leap from a game management perspective, from
Speaker 7: aggressivest and throwing down the field perspective in year two.
Speaker 7: That remains to be seen. We'll find out in September.
Speaker 2: Jordan Love played his college ball here in State and
Speaker 2: of course sat behind Aaron for a minute, and then
Speaker 2: for two years he has started for the Packers under center,
Speaker 2: and he's been good.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any debate about that.
Speaker 2: I mean, fifth last year in QBR twenty five touchdown passes,
Speaker 2: eleven and six. That's a tough division. It's tough to
Speaker 2: make a lot of headway there. But is there more
Speaker 2: in the tank? Do we see Jordan Love? You know,
Speaker 2: while us a cliche, reach the next level this year?
Speaker 7: Yeah, there is a next level to be reached. There
Speaker 7: absolutely is. Jordan Love last two seasons as a starter,
Speaker 7: he's had eleven interceptions in both of the seasons, thirty
Speaker 7: sacks in twenty twenty three, only fourteen in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 7: He cut down on the sack total, which is great,
Speaker 7: but Love is a very aggressive pocket passer, and in
Speaker 7: a league that is increasingly scrambling and leave, it shows
Speaker 7: that quarterbacks want to get outside of the pocket, and
Speaker 7: that the scramble is one of the most valuable plays
Speaker 7: that we have. It turns a sack into a positive gain.
Speaker 7: It eliminates negatives and create positives. Love continues to just
Speaker 7: resist scrambling. He's got the movement skills, he does not
Speaker 7: really want to use them, and so we have a
Speaker 7: high interception player who did a good job cutting down
Speaker 7: on the sacks, but doesn't create enough when he moves
Speaker 7: outside of the pocket. And accordingly that packers offense, which
Speaker 7: is good. It is a good offense, There's no doubt.
Speaker 7: I just did my top ten offense ranking SERIOSPN. They
Speaker 7: were in my top ten. They do have three four
Speaker 7: games a year where it just feels like they you know,
Speaker 7: le dou say right, they just come out flat and
Speaker 7: they totally miss and they can never get the engine going.
Speaker 7: And it's because they're so predicated on these explosives they
Speaker 7: pro downfield so much, they rip off these big games
Speaker 7: that when they're not there, they don't do enough to
Speaker 7: kind of keep the sticks moving, you know, scrambling instead
Speaker 7: of attempting those deep passes. Just move the sticks, get
Speaker 7: a new set of downs. They were third last year
Speaker 7: in explosive pass rate. They're only fifteenth in success rate,
Speaker 7: which is just a measurement of what percentage of your
Speaker 7: players are positive percentage. Your plays are expected to generate
Speaker 7: points for you, So they need to foot out, They
Speaker 7: need to be a little bit more consistent, and a
Speaker 7: lot of that falls on the quarterback and his decision
Speaker 7: making process. So love knocking on the door of top
Speaker 7: ten quarterbacks playing in the NFL right now. I think
Speaker 7: some people would have him in that top ten, and
Speaker 7: deservedly so. But there is the next level to reach
Speaker 7: and a lot of it is the same growth you
Speaker 7: saw from Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen in their youth,
Speaker 7: which is learning how to just take the positive play
Speaker 7: fight for another down when.
Speaker 1: You measured by proximity.
Speaker 2: Now, the closest pro football team to our little city
Speaker 2: out here is the Las Vegas Raiders, and Gino Smith
Speaker 2: is not a recent PAC twelve guy. But Chip Kelly
Speaker 2: coaching the PAC twelve and so did Pete Carroll, so
Speaker 2: we have an interesting kind of new partnership. Yeah, what's
Speaker 2: it going to look like for Vegas with Gino Smith
Speaker 2: and Chip Kelly?
Speaker 1: What's that pairing going to look like?
Speaker 7: I'm extremely bullish. I think the Raiders are the team
Speaker 7: that I expect to potentially improves the most from their
Speaker 7: twenty twenty four win total to their twenty twenty five
Speaker 7: win total, which is a hard thing to say. In
Speaker 7: a division with the Chiefs, the Chargers, and the Broncos,
Speaker 7: they have to play a sixth game, but the Raiders
Speaker 7: tend to play their division game is very tight. I
Speaker 7: think that the Antonio Pierce Raiders were really poorly coached.
Speaker 7: I think that there's just a lot of meat left
Speaker 7: on the bone. I think that that team un rabbit
Speaker 7: of the season went on. You saw Devonty Adams force
Speaker 7: his way out via trade, like is a bad situation.
Speaker 7: Pete Cale is such an immediate floor raizer, such an
Speaker 7: immediate cultural culture setter. As far as the head coach goes,
Speaker 7: you know they're going to be serious. You know they're
Speaker 7: gona be successful. Away, they're going to be disciplined, they're
Speaker 7: going to be on top of of their schemes, and
Speaker 7: then so on and so forth. Then you throw in Chip,
Speaker 7: who I think Chip at the NFL head coach got
Speaker 7: too far over the skis and got too you know,
Speaker 7: obsessed with his own system and maximizing that and kind
Speaker 7: of just mid maxing for the spread and the tenth
Speaker 7: phone what have you. I think Gipboc is going to
Speaker 7: have a nice more bridle on him right his second
Speaker 7: time here in the NFL, a little bit better understanding
Speaker 7: of what he can and can't get away with quarterback
Speaker 7: and Gino Smith is a very reliable trigger man who
Speaker 7: throws the ball exactly what's supposed to be when he's
Speaker 7: supposed to be there. He's smart, he's aggressive, he's accurate,
Speaker 7: a young back and ashing gents you can take on
Speaker 7: a high volume of touches already in the NFL. And
Speaker 7: then brought Bowers, who just is like the coolest dude
Speaker 7: in the world. Bowers is going to be in the
Speaker 7: conversation for best tight end of football by this time
Speaker 7: next year, and like, I don't know if he's going
Speaker 7: to be it. George KITT's still round Tree mc bride
Speaker 7: a good players, but he's going to be in that
Speaker 7: conversation because he's such a unique and youthful player at
Speaker 7: the tight end position. I think they're going to be
Speaker 7: quite good. The Raiders too. I think they're gonna be
Speaker 7: better than five hundred knocking on the wall card race pretty.
Speaker 6: Much the whole way.
Speaker 2: Two deared question, last quarterback question. Then I've got one
Speaker 2: more for you, Ben that I'll set you loose. So Minnesota,
Speaker 2: to no one's surprise, really will ride with JJ McCarthy
Speaker 2: and Sam Darnold, who, as I've told you before, when
Speaker 2: the Jets drafted Sam, I'm like, Okay, finally this is
Speaker 2: the guy didn't turn out that way makes his way
Speaker 2: out to the Pacific Northwest to play for the Seahawks.
Speaker 2: So what do you make of Minnesota's decision? What do
Speaker 2: you think it's going to look like with JJ? And
Speaker 2: then your thoughts on Sam in Seattle?
Speaker 7: Yeah, Minnesota, you had to like read some key leaves,
Speaker 7: but you also don't because they drafted j Jim McCarthy
Speaker 7: tenth overall, they very clearly like him and they think
Speaker 7: he's going to be the future. They were talking to
Speaker 7: Sam Donald about contracts. I don't think the door was
Speaker 7: shut on Sam Donald coming back and competing with JJ,
Speaker 7: essentially holding that job as JJ came back, But they
Speaker 7: got priced out of where they wanted to be on
Speaker 7: the Sam Donald market. They one hundred percent checked on
Speaker 7: the veteran quarterback market after Sam Right, there was Aaron
Speaker 7: Rodgers rumors, but they were, you know, doing all their
Speaker 7: homework on all the quarterbacks. They didn't really have a
Speaker 7: QB two as well as not necessarily having a QB one, right,
Speaker 7: they didn't have a good backup behind Donald or scum
Speaker 7: mean bye McCarthy once Donald lesson in free agency. And
Speaker 7: so do you read into that as a lack of
Speaker 7: faith in McCarthy or do you just think, hey, they
Speaker 7: wanted to find a veteran QB two because it's good
Speaker 7: to have a veteran QB two in the NFL. You know,
Speaker 7: you're you're a little bit prognosticating from the outside. The
Speaker 7: long and the short of it that Kevin O'Connell's extremely good.
Speaker 7: He deserves to be mentioned in the air of Stomac
Speaker 7: Bay and Kyle Shanahan. He is extremely good at coaching
Speaker 7: around a quarterback and he has a rookie that he
Speaker 7: hand selected who was spent now a year in the
Speaker 7: to me even if he wasn't physically able to do anything,
Speaker 7: and he showed O'Connell shot was last year his ability
Speaker 7: to work around a quarterback in the past the game
Speaker 7: and creates most of the games out of average quarterback play.
Speaker 7: And now they've made huge investments in the running game right.
Speaker 7: They have three new interior offensive linemen from last year
Speaker 7: into this year. Donovan Jackson the rookie at left guard,
Speaker 7: Will Fries at right guard, Ryan kellyott center. They added
Speaker 7: Jordan Mason from the forty nine ers to be a
Speaker 7: good ball carrier for them as well. Like they might
Speaker 7: even be better of a quarterback incubator than they were previously.
Speaker 7: So McCarthy could be the twenty fourth best quarterback in
Speaker 7: the NFL and they might still go eleven and six
Speaker 7: just because of how good that offensive infrastructure has become.
Speaker 7: So a lot of faith in Minnesota, even if you
Speaker 7: know there were a couple of red flags over the
Speaker 7: course of this offseason, and then Donald and Seattle, I
Speaker 7: don't know what to tell you. I mean, I think
Speaker 7: they downgraded Geno to Sam. I think that's pretty clear
Speaker 7: when you'll get those guys last few years of starting
Speaker 7: Clinton Kobiak Obviously, the new OC there in Seattle spent
Speaker 7: time with Sam when they were together in San Francisco,
Speaker 7: so there's some scheme comfort there. It's not a dissimilar
Speaker 7: to scheme to what Sam ran with the Vikings, but
Speaker 7: instead of doing it with Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison
Speaker 7: and TG Hawkins, and you're doing it with Cooper Cup
Speaker 7: and Jackson Smith and Jigbu and Noah Fan. It's just
Speaker 7: not the same caliber weapons. The off of the line
Speaker 7: there in Seattle is not too strong either, and we
Speaker 7: know the one thing that Sam really can't deal with
Speaker 7: this pressure. I understand why they're taking the you know,
Speaker 7: quote unquote low risk swing on seeing a Sam Donald's
Speaker 7: career resurgence is legit, but I think the cost of
Speaker 7: moving on from Gino was too much. So I'm not
Speaker 7: too excited about what we'll see from Sam and Seattle,
Speaker 7: but rooting for the guy because if you can turn
Speaker 7: this career around, that'll be a cool thing to say.
Speaker 1: Last thing, Bat, I'll set you loose on this.
Speaker 2: According to Vegas, they're telling us that the Eagles, the
Speaker 2: Chiefs the Ravens and the Bills and the Lions. Those
Speaker 2: five teams are the safest bets to win the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl this year. So my two tiered question before I
Speaker 2: say you loose is do you believe the super Bowl
Speaker 2: winner will come from that group? And if there's a
Speaker 2: team outside of that, you know that group of five,
Speaker 2: who may that be?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: So I think anytime you give me Chiefs, Ravens, Bills,
Speaker 7: I want to have that group. I just think that
Speaker 7: be the top tier of the AFC is so clear
Speaker 7: the Bills and the Ravens are just miles out of
Speaker 7: anybody from a roster perspective, quarterback play perspective. And then
Speaker 7: even if the Chiefs have their works as they clearly
Speaker 7: do proof the putting in the e and we can't
Speaker 7: count them out of this thing. They were like awful
Speaker 7: and offense last years and they still made it. So
Speaker 7: anytime I get that group, I'm taking that group. And
Speaker 7: if you give me the Egels and the Lions, as
Speaker 7: Cherry's on top, I think it's more likely than not
Speaker 7: your super Bowl winners and that five. And outside of
Speaker 7: that five, I will say that to me, the odd
Speaker 7: man out in that group is the Lions. You lose
Speaker 7: both your coordinators, your longtime center, and Frank ragnow retires.
Speaker 7: This is a team that's been close to not quite
Speaker 7: in the cheaper years. Now they're starting to get a
Speaker 7: little bit more expensive, so it's hard to see them
Speaker 7: kind of making the improvements in the margins of the
Speaker 7: roster that they need to. Jared Goff, just as as
Speaker 7: a Super Bowl quarterback does not inspire me the way
Speaker 7: that you're gonna get from Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar
Speaker 7: Jackson and to the Lions. To me read it the
Speaker 7: odd team out. I would be more willing to put
Speaker 7: a Matthew Stafford led Rams team tea or a Baker
Speaker 7: Mayfield led Buccaneers team. To be honest, think the Buccaneers
Speaker 7: gonna be very good this year. In that NFC conversation,
Speaker 7: not necessarily ahead of the Lions, but I think the
Speaker 7: Lions deserve to be in the tier with the Rams
Speaker 7: and the Bucks, not up there with the Eagles, who
Speaker 7: are the understandable and presumed favorites in the NFC.
Speaker 2: Ben good stuff, My friend will set you loose. But
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Speaker 1: I can send him you away.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 2: We've been having been on the show for about well
Speaker 2: in August, it will be six years, and it's been
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Speaker 2: you find him on social. It would be the final
Speaker 2: day of the NBA season and for Duane Elton John,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna need a little tiny dance And I know
Speaker 2: it's cliche, but we need a little almost famous vibe
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Speaker 1: It could be the final day of the pro.
Speaker 2: Basketball season as Oklahoma City is looking to eliminate the.
Speaker 1: India the Pacers tonight.
Speaker 2: The Pacers just took the floor eight minutes ago for
Speaker 2: their pregame walk through, and during that walk through, the
Speaker 2: status of Tyreese Saliburton will be determined by the medical staff.
Speaker 1: We probably won't know until Tip.
Speaker 2: Live in studio injury experts, among other things, Chris Cameronnie
Speaker 2: I always get a kick out of guys in our
Speaker 2: business when there's like an injured player who just played
Speaker 2: doctor on air or on TV. Strain calf could lead
Speaker 2: to a torn achilles all the things.
Speaker 1: Do you have any is that what he's doing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: strain calf?
Speaker 2: Do you have any hot medical takes for us on
Speaker 2: Tyree Saliburton's status. Well, I've heard that a strained calf
Speaker 2: can lead to an achilles. That's the take today. I've
Speaker 2: heard that twenty five times today.
Speaker 4: People are probably just lazy and assuming that a strained
Speaker 4: calf that Kevin Durant suffered six or seven years ago
Speaker 4: in the finals that led to a torn achilles could
Speaker 4: potentially do the same thing. I know there is a correlation,
Speaker 4: so you can't discount that.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, but.
Speaker 4: My Haliburton take is the Pacers probably need how Burton
Speaker 4: to win Game six.
Speaker 1: Good take, good take, good take.
Speaker 4: Is it gonna happen?
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I mean, I picked Oklahoma City
Speaker 2: in five. It's a it's a historic season. When you
Speaker 2: look at the metrics, and you know me, I'm a
Speaker 2: data guy, analytics.
Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, their net was plus thirteen, what about their pr?
Speaker 2: The pr is a little bit dated. TK Okay, so
Speaker 2: you know, okay, yeah, God bless John Hollinger. Okay, but
Speaker 2: the pr is a little bit dated. Have you ever
Speaker 2: been aggregated, by the way.
Speaker 4: Yes, but not for like online stuff, more just stories
Speaker 4: I got. I got aggregated up the wazoo when I
Speaker 4: went and hung out with Stone Cold Steve Austin, because like,
Speaker 4: he doesn't give a lot of interviews.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so all of the wrestling blog websites aggregated a
Speaker 4: lot of my stuff. And one of my colleagues, Chris Vanini,
Speaker 4: national writer at at the Athletic, is a huge wrestling fan,
Speaker 4: and he was like, dude, this this aggregated tweet has
Speaker 4: like over like a thousand and retweets in like an hour,
Speaker 4: and it was just basically somebody rewriting the most interesting
Speaker 4: things that Steve told me in our interview.
Speaker 2: Well, somebod who doesn't frequent wrestling blogs. I guess that's
Speaker 2: why I was unaware that you were aggregated for Stone Cold.
Speaker 2: You have, over the course of your career doing this.
Speaker 2: How long have you been doing this in media? Thirteen fourteen,
Speaker 2: thirteen years. You've interviewed a lot of really fascinating characters.
Speaker 2: And one of the things I like about your work
Speaker 2: is you really do think out of the box. So
Speaker 2: I've heard cliche things say, is there one that stands out?
Speaker 2: Like instantly if I say to you, most interesting conversation
Speaker 2: you've ever had in your life.
Speaker 1: As a journalist is the record? Yeah? Is there one
Speaker 1: that stands.
Speaker 4: Out if we're talking on the record, honestly, it might
Speaker 4: be recency ad biased, but it might be my days
Speaker 4: in Hawaii with Trevor Rightley. Yeah, like honestly, like just
Speaker 4: because for about forty eight hours, Trevor and I were
Speaker 4: basically on the record driving around the Big Island about
Speaker 4: anything from the University of Utah football recruiting to Dion
Speaker 4: Sanders to visiting the Middle East and how you go
Speaker 4: about making sure you don't have any cultural you know,
Speaker 4: misguided mis cues all those things. Yeah. I mean, my
Speaker 4: my brain's been fried since becoming a parent, so I'll
Speaker 4: go recency biases definitely, Trevor. But there there are there
Speaker 4: are other ones. I mean even last year Steve's up there.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of them. Man, I'm gonna have to
Speaker 4: circle back to was really good? Yeah, Yes, sometimes people
Speaker 4: are interesting sometimes their stories are more interesting. Like a
Speaker 4: few years ago, I went out to Colorado to to
Speaker 4: do a story on Trey McBride, who is second. You know,
Speaker 4: he was the second round pick of the Cardinals and
Speaker 4: now he's one of the highest paid t I think
Speaker 4: he is the highest paid tight end in the NFL.
Speaker 4: Went to Colorado State and he was raised by two moms,
Speaker 4: and that that I don't really don't really have a
Speaker 4: lot of historical context for NFL players who were raised
Speaker 4: by two moms. So I went out there and spent
Speaker 4: two days with them and got to hang out at
Speaker 4: their house, go with them while they did meals on
Speaker 4: wheels and all the stuff. And it was very very cool.
Speaker 4: So there are interesting people and then there are people
Speaker 4: who have very very cool stories. Sure, there's a lot.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to circle back because my brain is
Speaker 4: a little mushy since you.
Speaker 2: Know, when my phone rings and it's Trevor, Yeah, I go, okay,
Speaker 2: here we go.
Speaker 4: What's what's there to happen?
Speaker 2: Because you dude, you never know ever, Like truly, I
Speaker 2: cannot predict what's about to happen. And every conversation includes
Speaker 2: some wild twist and turn where you at what are
Speaker 2: you doing for work? You know, Like I can't say
Speaker 2: what he told me as far as what he's going
Speaker 2: to do next the last time I talked to him,
Speaker 2: But it's a completely different thing than what he's been doing.
Speaker 4: It's it's interesting, like the people like that. A lot
Speaker 4: of most people would assume that they're usually bloviating or
Speaker 4: or more often than not, stretching the truth. But in
Speaker 4: my time with Trevor, everything that sounded too good to
Speaker 4: be true actually was true. There's a lot of people
Speaker 4: that are like that. Some people are just very good storytellers.
Speaker 4: Some people have very interesting lived life experience. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, I know Trevor had a very interesting lived
Speaker 4: experience working for Deon Sanders, but like the guy got
Speaker 4: into a physical altercation with his assistant coach, like it
Speaker 4: was caught on video and like Warren Sap is narrating it,
Speaker 4: Like I appreciate people like Trevor who are a DIMA
Speaker 4: doesn't in the sports in the sports world because he
Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily have time for the he what's the word, like,
Speaker 4: he doesn't necessarily like cow taw to what most people
Speaker 4: expect to be like the norm in that he just
Speaker 4: going to tell you the truth and what happened. And
Speaker 4: he's not going to like, maybe you know, what's the
Speaker 4: word I'm looking for here. He's just going to tell
Speaker 4: you what happened, and that's you generally, what happened the norm.
Speaker 4: He's just yeah, I mean like he told me that.
Speaker 4: You know, back in the day, you know, Utah's sids
Speaker 4: were always like shaking in their boots anytime Trevor was
Speaker 4: requested to talk as a player, because Trevor was just
Speaker 4: going to be like, yeah, UCLA's quarterback sucks, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: And it's just like you don't get guys like that
Speaker 4: in this industry really ever. So when you get them,
Speaker 4: you have to appreciate what they can offer for you.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a dream for people like us because what
Speaker 2: it's turned.
Speaker 4: Into because he does, sorry to interrupted me, because he
Speaker 4: doesn't expect any sort of reciprocation, which is also which
Speaker 4: is maybe where you were going in this day and
Speaker 4: age where it's kind of like scratch my backs, I'll
Speaker 4: scratch yours, which is not how my job goes. And
Speaker 4: I mean Trevor's proman he played in the NFL for
Speaker 4: like six years. He played here, he knows how it goes.
Speaker 4: Whereas a lot of people who either make it to
Speaker 4: that level or even don't generally are operating in a
Speaker 4: realm of maybe maybe mistrust, because it's it's not easy
Speaker 4: to trust people that you don't know that well or
Speaker 4: entrust them with your story or your word. But Trevor
Speaker 4: is the type of person that will just tell you
Speaker 4: and move on like he's not he's not thinking about it.
Speaker 4: You know, as soon as I filed my story, it
Speaker 4: wasn't one of those things where it's like, oh, I
Speaker 4: wonder if Trevor's going to be pissed about what's in
Speaker 4: the story.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like the next time I heard from him,
Speaker 4: it wasn't like you even talk about it.
Speaker 2: Probably wasn't even on his radar, correct, right? Who would
Speaker 2: play Trevor in the biopic Chris Pratt?
Speaker 4: No, God, no, come on, how dare you?
Speaker 2: I just try to think of like action because I
Speaker 2: always used to Trevor and I did a ton of
Speaker 2: radio back in the day together, a lot of pre
Speaker 2: adf and post game football, you know, for both Utah
Speaker 2: and BYU. And he would roll in studio for an
Speaker 2: hour at the old station. And he still rolls in
Speaker 2: here when he's in town, and he would tell me
Speaker 2: these stories off air that were so wild yet to
Speaker 2: your point, true that they actually happened. And I started
Speaker 2: telling I'm like, you're Batman, dude, like you're a real
Speaker 2: life that you're the real life Batman. It's it's wild
Speaker 2: to consider all the nutty things our guy has really
Speaker 2: gotten himself into.
Speaker 4: The problem is is guys who are funny generally aren't
Speaker 4: six or five Keanu Reeves, Yeah, Kiana is not funny enough,
Speaker 4: like Kno was like stoner funny, like this Billtad. We're
Speaker 4: gonna have to circle back on this. Let's take let's table,
Speaker 4: let's table it like that, right, it might come to me.
Speaker 2: But what I was gonna say is the reason Trevor
Speaker 2: is such a breath of fresh air. And I don't
Speaker 2: really know when to pinpoint this as far as when
Speaker 2: it happened, but like I have stopped following athletes on
Speaker 2: social media, like I don't need to follow Steph where
Speaker 2: it's like all right, game time, or Donovan like Cava,
Speaker 2: Like you don't get anything interesting from most of these athletes.
Speaker 1: Now that's not a blanket statement. That's true for all
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 2: But whether it's a coach or a player sitting down
Speaker 2: with a journalist like you, doing an interview with a
Speaker 2: radio host like me, or addressing the media post game,
Speaker 2: it's rare that you get something that is anything other
Speaker 2: than boilerplate cliche, walk the company line.
Speaker 1: But you know why that is. But it didn't used
Speaker 1: to be that way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it used to be that beat writers
Speaker 4: reporters were entrusted with the word of the athlete because
Speaker 4: there wasn't social media. The Internet really hadn't taken off.
Speaker 4: And even like within the last I would say, the
Speaker 4: last five to seven years, that's changed. Even as Twitter started,
Speaker 4: you were still you still hadn't seen the marketing, the
Speaker 4: monetization of the social media platforms my story and my
Speaker 4: own words. And that's fine. I don't necessarily get frustrated
Speaker 4: that athletes no longer give the scoop to You know,
Speaker 4: a a lot of these guys are writing the players
Speaker 4: tribune stuff, and oftentimes they're they're very, very good. Sometimes
Speaker 4: you know, they come on the fourth of July in
Speaker 4: consecutive years. Sometimes you know, your Fourth of July is
Speaker 4: ruined and key time Gordon too big.
Speaker 1: But we need to bring back a little too big.
Speaker 4: Yeah we do. But yeah, it that that that is
Speaker 4: a reality check topic.
Speaker 6: I like that.
Speaker 4: We could we could spend hours and hours on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just interesting and consider any other. So Trevor
Speaker 2: Riley certainly good answer the question from a local standpoint.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't mean to butter you up.
Speaker 2: You're very good at your job, so you get good
Speaker 2: things from Kyle when you sit down with Kyle. You
Speaker 2: get good things from you know, our local players and
Speaker 2: coaches when you have access to them. Is there any
Speaker 2: other whether it's Jazz or BYU or even RSL or
Speaker 2: the University of Utah, any other notable interviews or stories
Speaker 2: you've done that really stand out or characters kind of
Speaker 2: like in the elk of trav.
Speaker 4: Quinn's The Quinn Profile.
Speaker 6: I did.
Speaker 4: I think the year after it was not the year
Speaker 4: that they beat Okay, see when they had Paul George
Speaker 4: and Russ and Carmelos the year after, so they were
Speaker 4: still kind of on their upward trajectory.
Speaker 2: The reason you know that so well is because Ricky
Speaker 2: Rubio played for the Jazz and people people confused me
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 1: Sorry, man, you just look like.
Speaker 4: It when I when I would go to the ZBBC,
Speaker 4: fans were waiting outside asking for interviews, and one time
Speaker 4: somebody like basically almost stepped out in front of my
Speaker 4: crappy rusty Sue Brew and it was like Ricky and
Speaker 4: I was like.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, didn't you have a Rubio kit?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I was gifted a Rubio kit? Yeah do you want?
Speaker 4: I mean, you know who gave.
Speaker 6: It to me?
Speaker 1: I would guess it was fault.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not Antonio Daniels Vancouver kid. Oh by the way,
Speaker 2: real quick before you continue, Trav had no frame of
Speaker 2: reference we were talking about because we we're gonna play
Speaker 2: was at chun you know, we're gonna get up and
Speaker 2: we're wash out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you didn't gone to the text.
Speaker 1: So I had a busy couple of days, bro, did
Speaker 1: you Okay? I had a busy couple of days. But
Speaker 1: we're so I was.
Speaker 2: I was talking to Trav about it because Trav was
Speaker 2: doing the finals and for our listeners. Travis Henderson, the
Speaker 2: supremely talented executive producer of Jazz Broadcast Games, is currently
Speaker 2: broadcast in the NBA Finals. Our guy could do what
Speaker 2: he does, like people in our market don't know how talented.
Speaker 2: Travis Sanderson is like, he is a gem to have here.
Speaker 2: So he's currently doing the finals, but we're going back
Speaker 2: and forth about our Washatch weekend and he didn't know
Speaker 2: the Antonio, he didn't know the context. He's like, is
Speaker 2: he gonna wear that Antonio Daniel Daniel Jersey again, I'm
Speaker 2: like probably, Like he's like, where did he get that?
Speaker 2: I'm like, your boy over here. It's a great story too.
Speaker 2: It's a great story. I can't believe you found it
Speaker 2: in such good condition. Yeah, like it's I mean, it's
Speaker 2: got to be at least twenty years old and it
Speaker 2: fits you.
Speaker 4: It's great. Like, like I said, it's in great condition.
Speaker 4: It's on a hangar in my closet.
Speaker 1: That a guy.
Speaker 2: It was literally the only one online I did a
Speaker 2: bunch of it was eBay.
Speaker 1: I found it on eBay. But for our listeners, c K.
Speaker 1: You were in studio with Amy I think.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was during COVID.
Speaker 1: During COVID, so stuff was weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we both had man buns. Yeah, and we were.
Speaker 4: You talked about like I dropped like an Antonio Daniel's
Speaker 4: reference and you were like, if you can name the
Speaker 4: first team that Antonio Daniels played for I'll give you
Speaker 4: a hundred bucks, and I was like, if I can
Speaker 4: name him, I'll take a jersey.
Speaker 1: And then that's close, was it?
Speaker 2: So what happened was no, you brought up the fact
Speaker 2: Jazz fans were mad that Antonio Daniels had something critical
Speaker 2: to say about Donovan and my thing was like, why
Speaker 2: do we care what Antonio Daniels says? And I said
Speaker 2: to the two of you, if you can name the
Speaker 2: team that drafted Antonio Daniels, I'll give you one thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: That's how convinced I was. You weren't gonna be able
Speaker 2: to do it. Taken that and you didn't even pump
Speaker 2: fake boom Vancouver Grizzlies. And then because you're a gentleman,
Speaker 2: you said, I will accept an Antonio Daniel's jersey instead
Speaker 2: of a thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: It's the best jersey in the history of the NBA.
Speaker 4: It's a great jersey and segue. Antonio dani also played
Speaker 4: for the Seattle SuperSonics. He did who once upon a
Speaker 4: time where the Seattle SuperSonics before they were the Oklahoma
Speaker 4: City Thunder.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes he did. Since you brought that up
Speaker 2: real quick. We got a couple of minutes here in
Speaker 2: this segment before we break. I think the NBA is
Speaker 2: going to approve expansion this year. Really, I think in
Speaker 2: the off season. I don't know this to be true,
Speaker 2: but the more and more I read into it, the
Speaker 2: more and more I talk to people, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of momentum to get a team back in Seattle and
Speaker 2: then have one in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: I think that is going to be approved this offseason.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: The undercurrent of the Vegas team is that Lebron wants
Speaker 2: to be an owner, and so a lot of people
Speaker 2: believe that Adam Silver is kind of brokering that deal
Speaker 2: behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: And Lebron has one year left on his contract.
Speaker 2: He got his kid a job in the league, so
Speaker 2: I think he's probably ready to step aside, and then
Speaker 2: he'll probably be the face.
Speaker 1: Of the Vegas NBA franchise.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the Seattle situation is going to
Speaker 2: look like, but it was announced yesterday ck that the
Speaker 2: La Lakers were sold. And when you dig into this,
Speaker 2: and then you look at the new owners in Dallas,
Speaker 2: and you look at the new owners in Phoenix, Ishpia
Speaker 2: and potentially Lebron and his crew in Vegas with deep
Speaker 2: pocketed investors, and I would imagine plenty of Titans of
Speaker 2: industry up in Seattle. So whoever gets that organization? The
Speaker 2: reason I'm bringing it up is the Lakers were sold
Speaker 2: to a gentleman who currently owns the Dodgers, and man,
Speaker 2: where's his name here?
Speaker 4: Mark Walter?
Speaker 2: Mark Walter, thank you? So Mark Walter is currently the
Speaker 2: owner of the Dodgers. He tried to buy the Clippers.
Speaker 2: He was outbid by Steve Balmer. Steve Balmer has a
Speaker 2: net worth of one hundred and thirty billion dollars. This
Speaker 2: Mark Walter gentleman allegedly or reportedly has a net worth
Speaker 2: that is in that cul de sac one hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty billion dollars. The money that's coming into like, I
Speaker 2: don't know Qualtricks financials. When Ryan bob the team, the
Speaker 2: number I saw was, wasn't it well less than two?
Speaker 2: I think Qualtricks The Qualtrics valuation I think was twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four billion.
Speaker 4: Oh, I was talking about the Jazz sale.
Speaker 2: The Jazz sale, Ryan paid eight hundred million for it.
Speaker 2: And then I think with investors, let's see porter, will
Speaker 2: you look up what Ryan bought the Jazz war please,
Speaker 2: so I think it was approaching to it was over one, right,
Speaker 2: so one point four one point five maybe closer to two.
Speaker 1: Ryan himself wrote a check for eight hundred million.
Speaker 2: And again I don't really know the financials of Qualtrics
Speaker 2: or Ryan, but Ryan, his brother, his dad at the time,
Speaker 2: moved tragically has passed, and one of their business partners
Speaker 2: I believe, split it four ways. Obviously Ryan has investors
Speaker 2: other than his own bank account. But there's this movement
Speaker 2: and momentum in the NBA now where even if you
Speaker 2: have five six billion dollars, one point six billion dollars
Speaker 2: was the price tech like when so Ryan put up
Speaker 2: half of that. So when Ryan took over the team,
Speaker 2: the narrative was, well, okay, we've got a tech bro
Speaker 2: that has deeper pockets than the Miller's.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the case anymore.
Speaker 2: Like there's a world now where Ryan is no longer
Speaker 2: this guy that has such deep pockets, Like if there
Speaker 2: are one hundred and thirty billion dollars, you'll pay whatever
Speaker 2: you want to for your NBA team. I mean, Mark,
Speaker 2: the guy that just bought the Lakers, owns the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: Their payroll is one hundred and forty million dollars more
Speaker 2: than whoever is in second. I think it might be
Speaker 2: the Angels. The Yankees are actually in fourth. There's like
Speaker 2: this movement now where these guys have monopoly money and
Speaker 2: it might even make the playing field more uneven if
Speaker 2: they don't give a rip about luxury tax or second apron.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know how much that affects the jazz though,
Speaker 4: because at the end of the day, the jazz are
Speaker 4: never going to outbid anybody for free agents. So like that,
Speaker 4: that might affect the the New York, Chicago, Dallas, LA. Markets.
Speaker 4: Maybe it'll affect the Vegas market if that comes to fruition.
Speaker 4: But for Salt Egg, for the jazz, that's never gonna
Speaker 4: affect the people working for them here because you have
Speaker 4: to be able to strike the lottery four or five
Speaker 4: times in a decade in order to build a contender.
Speaker 4: And I didn't mean. I didn't mean to use the
Speaker 4: word lottery in such a painful year for the jazz,
Speaker 4: So apologies for the jazz fans listening. But like I
Speaker 4: always and it's lazy, but I always think of the Spurs,
Speaker 4: and I think of the Spurs after David Robinson you
Speaker 4: think of I think you have to get a you know,
Speaker 4: a top three pick or the first pick would be great.
Speaker 4: You get Tim Duncan and then from there they build
Speaker 4: a dynasty out of a bunch of dudes that people
Speaker 4: either didn't rate, underrated, or just never really of even round.
Speaker 4: So it's doable. But I don't know how much monopoly
Speaker 4: money that billionaires are spending in larger markets will affect
Speaker 4: the team here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean, it's the right parallel to use.
Speaker 2: And I don't think it's lazy because I think it's
Speaker 2: the and it's a different league now, it's a different
Speaker 2: collective bargain agreement. So it's hard to draw a straight line.
Speaker 2: But what the Spurs did with that group should give
Speaker 2: Jazz fans hope that in a city like Salt Lake,
Speaker 2: you can actually do it.
Speaker 4: I mean, but you could still, like look at the Nuggets.
Speaker 4: The Nuggets drafted the best player in the world, the
Speaker 4: second round, second round player, So it's like it's still doable.
Speaker 4: You just, yeah, it sounds reductive, but at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, all you have to do is get
Speaker 4: good time.
Speaker 2: Somebody listens to the drive bugget through Friday two to six.
Speaker 2: Monod you nobly second round pick better known around here
Speaker 2: as a rich man's talon Horton Tucker.
Speaker 4: That's what I've heard.
Speaker 1: You got to stop sending me that kid's tweets, all right?
Speaker 2: ESPN seven hundred Welcomes Nate Jackson to Kingsbury Hall November seventh,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Tickets around sale now on Spence Jackets facts c K.
Speaker 1: Are you ready for it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get his mike on. You ready for a
Speaker 2: little known Spence Jackets. I just went third person twice
Speaker 2: and never do that. Love Elton John, absolutely love Elton John.
Speaker 2: I saw Elton John and Billy Joel together Madison Square Garden,
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe fifteen twenty years ago, the best
Speaker 2: shows I've ever seen.
Speaker 4: That's very cool. Yeah that so were they on a
Speaker 4: tour together? Was okay?
Speaker 1: No, they were on a tour together?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah. My in laws went to Elton's last concert here.
Speaker 4: I had a bunch of friends go to Elton's concert
Speaker 4: last concert here. I bet he puts on a really
Speaker 4: good show.
Speaker 2: And I haven't seen it in fifteen years or so,
Speaker 2: Like how old is that?
Speaker 1: How old would you guess Alton John.
Speaker 4: Is Now I'm going to guess Porter's gonna fact check
Speaker 4: or you're going to fact check. I'm going to go seventy.
Speaker 2: Four, seventy eight. Oh, they're pretty close. So I don't
Speaker 2: know what sort of energy he has at this stage
Speaker 2: of his career. So I saw him when he was
Speaker 2: just like little kids, man, does he yeah, Okay, I
Speaker 2: feel like these old rich.
Speaker 4: People are just say yeah, I feel like being a
Speaker 4: dad again.
Speaker 1: Dave Letterman.
Speaker 2: I listened to an interview with Dave Letterman and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've just started having kids.
Speaker 1: He's like in his seventies.
Speaker 4: No, Dave had a kid towards the tail end of
Speaker 4: his show, because I remember it was a big deal
Speaker 4: because he really didn't have kids until he was like
Speaker 4: in his fifties, and then he had like the heart thing.
Speaker 4: Because I was a Letterman guy. I remember it was
Speaker 4: a big deal that Dave Letterman had a kid.
Speaker 2: You are correct, Harry Letterman is twenty one years old.
Speaker 2: But then there was a gap, and I think he's
Speaker 2: had a couple more. Really all right, Anyway, in this interview,
Speaker 2: Picasso potentially in this interview, he was asked like what
Speaker 2: are your regrets. And he said that I didn't become
Speaker 2: a father younger. So I don't know Elton's current kid situation.
Speaker 2: But I saw him on tour. Let's see, he probably
Speaker 2: was in his early sixties, so I don't know what
Speaker 2: energy he has in his late seventies, but I would
Speaker 2: imagine it's worth a while. I know he didn't write
Speaker 2: most of his songs, but it's just like I love
Speaker 2: his voice. The vibes are good, the vibes are great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would imagine that, like it is hard to
Speaker 4: have somebody like Bollocks up the energy at a Elton
Speaker 4: John concert, for sure, unless somebody is maybe singing a
Speaker 4: little too loud. I think that's outside of talking in
Speaker 4: the movie theater. Being at a concert and having somebody
Speaker 4: close to you singing louder than the actual person singing
Speaker 4: to me is like nails on a chalkboard.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: Another reason, yes, I agree with you.
Speaker 2: Another recent development of mine is and I noticed this
Speaker 2: went to a music festival.
Speaker 4: You were your shoes off, of course, did you take
Speaker 4: a rug?
Speaker 1: Of course? Obviously shoes off? Gummy, the whole.
Speaker 4: Thing really tightened together.
Speaker 1: It was in Bridgeport, Connecticut.
Speaker 2: Dave and tim right, Little Little Camp, Little Father John Misty.
Speaker 4: Oh naturally, let's see uh John Butler Trio. Yeah for real?
Speaker 2: Wow, Yes, excellent poll Little DAWs potentially randomly Goo Goo Dolls,
Speaker 2: which pissed everybody off.
Speaker 1: Heys is a great song.
Speaker 4: Listen, man, we're of different eras. That was probably the
Speaker 4: annoying song when you were in college, and for me
Speaker 4: it was the song that you wanted to dance with,
Speaker 4: dance with a girl too, in like eighth ninth grade. Okay,
Speaker 4: So like everybody has those songs man, where you're just
Speaker 4: like kind of like, ooh do I do I have
Speaker 4: the Cojones.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hit you with this lineup and it's gonna
Speaker 2: be right on brand for me.
Speaker 4: Kay, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: This is why we went.
Speaker 2: Okay so sound on Sound Music Festival twenty twenty two Lumineers,
Speaker 2: Father John Misty, Head in the Heart the National Band
Speaker 2: of Horses, Trampled by Turtles, Brandy Carlyle, Stevie Nicks was incredible.
Speaker 1: Zach Bryan. I actually saw Zach Bryan play.
Speaker 4: Not a country singer. According to our guy Porter Larson.
Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, dude, I made the mistake of being
Speaker 2: like dude, I found a new country and he was
Speaker 2: so mad at me. He's pop country. Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2: The roots were there as well, so that was fun.
Speaker 2: But what I realized is this is a young man's game, dude.
Speaker 2: Music festivals are a young man's game. Wait when was
Speaker 2: this twenty twenty two? But like, what time of your
Speaker 2: Sorry it was summer, so it was hot humidity. Yes, yes, augusty,
Speaker 2: I believe SPF fo are you working with forty five?
Speaker 1: So my whole let's go down this path.
Speaker 2: My sunscreen approaches this forty five to fifty base fifteen
Speaker 2: spray with a little banana oil, right, well, coconut oil.
Speaker 1: Your smell's really nice.
Speaker 4: You're looking to get some some melanin in there.
Speaker 2: Oh look look at me, man, I mean you you
Speaker 2: ten instantly?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I need a minute. Yeah, okay, I need a couple.
Speaker 4: Of But let's not yeah, bro, but we got to
Speaker 4: be careful with those burns. As long as you're hitting
Speaker 4: the dirm, you're wrong.
Speaker 1: We've been lied to have we's.
Speaker 6: Good for you.
Speaker 1: Good for you? Now, don't take my word for it.
Speaker 1: Anyone listening wear sunscreen?
Speaker 2: Okay, don't be like, Hey, I heard Spence said I
Speaker 2: should just get burned all the time. No, it's a
Speaker 2: slow burn, okay, and then eventually I tan and it's
Speaker 2: a good look. So that that's my sunscreen approach. Fifty bays.
Speaker 2: Then we go with the spray with about five ten
Speaker 2: fifteen banana oil. Wasn't ready for that.
Speaker 1: It smells so nice?
Speaker 4: Do you do that on the golf course?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yeah all right.
Speaker 2: In fact, next time you see our guy Gerald, he
Speaker 2: gives me this crap for it because it attracts bees.
Speaker 4: Aren't you worried that it might like spill in your bag?
Speaker 4: And then the spray? I mean the oil.
Speaker 1: No, First of all, I keep it in the side pocket.
Speaker 4: Natural.
Speaker 2: Would you like to know my golf bag set up? Yeah,
Speaker 2: outside pocket. Two gloves usually new to make sure I'm
Speaker 2: good when I set up the bag, take the glove out,
Speaker 2: put the keys in the wallet in the outside pocket.
Speaker 2: Inside pocket, sunscreen, CBD oil for the back, yep, you know,
Speaker 2: vapor type vix rub for the shoulder. I'm an old
Speaker 2: man at this point, so I have to make sure
Speaker 2: my injuries are all taken care of. Upper right pocket,
Speaker 2: my green Uh you know the tool you used to
Speaker 2: fix the green I know you do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of court.
Speaker 2: Obviously, my ballmarker, which is magnetic that sticks to that.
Speaker 4: Trap into a quarter.
Speaker 2: I have a couple of cores in there because Trey
Speaker 2: never has a ball marker.
Speaker 4: Well, the guy from Happy Gilmore just picked it up. Good,
Speaker 4: good pull coming coming. The two two's coming this summer.
Speaker 4: Man like next month. It's going to be bad. I
Speaker 4: know we can talk about it. I'm going to interrupt you.
Speaker 4: We'll go back. Have you watched Stick on Apple TV?
Speaker 4: I have not own Wilson. There's it's bugs, it's Ted
Speaker 4: Lasso for golf. But but Amanda is actually learning about golf,
Speaker 4: so they actually talk about golf. Okay, I think thirty
Speaker 4: minutes shows. I'm just throwing it out there. There's nothing
Speaker 4: else to watch. I get it. I get it. He
Speaker 4: to me, it's a little too wow, I get it.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4: It's his his character Midnight in Paris. His best roles
Speaker 4: are in Wes Anderson movies historically. But the cast is
Speaker 4: good and the golf, the golf is good. So I
Speaker 4: would just recommend that. So back to your golf bag. Well, okay,
Speaker 4: let me finish that. Then we'll go to the best
Speaker 4: own Wilson movies because we have to. Yeah, that's it's
Speaker 4: like a staple of you. And it's also June.
Speaker 2: So if you want to rank Utah's wide receivers from
Speaker 2: the Pac twelve era, just calm down. So in the
Speaker 2: pocket with my tool and my ballmark, that's where I
Speaker 2: keep my tea's Okay, pocket, below that, I have every
Speaker 2: potential tool that I would need to fix a club.
Speaker 2: So you have like a little screwdriver thing. I've got
Speaker 2: a couple of rings in case you fix a club.
Speaker 2: You have to fix a club when you have a
Speaker 2: powerful athletic swing, Chris.
Speaker 4: Or when you break a club on the.
Speaker 2: Course unnecessary drop in And by the way, for the record,
Speaker 2: this year, no broken club Okay, what's changed the economic
Speaker 2: impact of breaking several clubs throughout the course of the
Speaker 2: season In this economy, I cannot say that I've had
Speaker 2: zero club throws, but I've had zero club breaks.
Speaker 4: What feels better letting go of a club in anger
Speaker 4: or swishing a three pointer?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: What a great question. Because look, here's the bottom line.
Speaker 2: If you can keep yourself to under three club breaks
Speaker 2: a year, it sounds horrible. There's nothing more satisfying than
Speaker 2: breaking a club.
Speaker 1: After the knee or I've been over the knee.
Speaker 2: There's nothing more satisfying than breaking like a wedge. So
Speaker 2: if you hit like a if you rope your drive
Speaker 2: and you're like ninety five yards out, if you chunk it,
Speaker 2: chunk it or scull it within it, whatever, yep, because
Speaker 2: a new wedge is like one hundred and ten bucks,
Speaker 2: and that's not expensive enough to dissuade me from the
Speaker 2: sandy pitching gap gap. Yeah we're ninety five yards out.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know you do.
Speaker 2: And we'll get to your thoughts on the current tournament
Speaker 2: that's going on right now in the world of professional golf.
Speaker 2: But the problem is, one hundred and ten dollars is
Speaker 2: worth the price of how good it feels to break
Speaker 2: a wedge after you scull a little wedge, you.
Speaker 1: Know, after roping a drive.
Speaker 2: So if you can keep it to one or two
Speaker 2: club breaks a year, then you're actually doing okay. But
Speaker 2: the problem is a couple of seasons we were your
Speaker 2: boy over here, we're talking four or five club breaks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would imagine that a driver would be the
Speaker 4: easiest club to break. It is because it is, it's
Speaker 4: more less titanium steel, or maybe I don't know, it's
Speaker 4: urban fiber.
Speaker 2: Look at you. It is easier to break. But the
Speaker 2: problem is that's a little more punitive. A new driver,
Speaker 2: you know, three hundred and fifty four hundred bucks, but
Speaker 2: a new wedge is like one hundred and ten dollars.
Speaker 1: So if you break a wedge, it feels so good.
Speaker 2: Now you're judged instantly by the group and people are
Speaker 2: probably I don't want to play with this dude, like
Speaker 2: he's throwing clubs.
Speaker 4: Can you play golf with people who judge you?
Speaker 2: Well, I also play golf with other golfers who get
Speaker 2: angrier than I do, and I judge them, So therefore
Speaker 2: I know I'm being judged.
Speaker 4: Golf course seems to be a very therapeutic place.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, naturally it is.
Speaker 2: Let's see, we don't need to go over my club
Speaker 2: selection of my golf back.
Speaker 1: But that's the gist of it.
Speaker 2: I could survive in the wilderness, oh, et Ceterrin, okay,
Speaker 2: in the left pocket where the sunscreen you.
Speaker 4: Talk an exceedrin migraine or just playing extend.
Speaker 1: Plain, et cetera. Now you're an expert. Is there a
Speaker 1: big difference?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 2: Is there a difference in the caffeine boots. Yes, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Should I get migraine.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, unless you get a certain type of headache.
Speaker 4: But yes, it's always good to have exceerin migraine handy, Okay,
Speaker 4: they have. They have a smaller bottle. It's like twenty pills. Okay,
Speaker 4: it's like six bucks. Okay.
Speaker 2: Back to the Owen Wilson First of all, Dick saying, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll check it out an admission about why I'm somewhat
Speaker 2: anti Owen Wilson, and it's really not his fault. So
Speaker 2: Vince Vaughn had this like eight year run where nobody
Speaker 2: could match his ability to just basically ad lib and
Speaker 2: be really quick and really funny.
Speaker 1: Hot route, hot route. You know, I don't.
Speaker 2: I was all state. I can put it wherever I
Speaker 2: want out here.
Speaker 1: I hate you.
Speaker 2: So it's really not Owen Wilson's fault that in the
Speaker 2: movie Wedding Crashers, he tried really hard to do the
Speaker 2: Vince Vaughn ad lib thing and it never landed to
Speaker 2: me because he was going next, you know, toe to
Speaker 2: toe with the Master. Yeah you know, so after that
Speaker 2: I became very anti Owen Wilson. But best Owen Wilson
Speaker 2: movie of all time?
Speaker 4: Is what his best best movie or his best performance?
Speaker 2: Either We've got Midnight in Paris. I think it was
Speaker 2: a good movie.
Speaker 4: I think his best movie is Midnight in Paris.
Speaker 2: Got Grand Budapest. The West stuff is Tarjaline is really good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would probably go best performance somewhere between Darjeeling
Speaker 4: and Royal. He was like, Royal is the answer? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think so that's the answer. It was written in
Speaker 4: a sort of obsolete vernacular.
Speaker 2: Royal is the answer? Yeah, Well see I knew we'd
Speaker 2: land on a wildcat rush. He was in Rushmore, but
Speaker 2: very briefly, but bit part. Rushmore, as it's well documented,
Speaker 2: is the best West movie period. Uh, Starski and Hutch
Speaker 2: was pretty good. Let's see Hall Pass was underrated.
Speaker 1: Funny. Yes, it's not the answer, no, but it was.
Speaker 2: Underrated funny yes, Becausecus is funny too.
Speaker 1: All Right, anyway, what are we doing?
Speaker 2: Let's uh, it's no easy transition, but this is what
Speaker 2: we do when you roll in the studio. Gold Cup tonight,
Speaker 2: US men's national team taking on Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1: I believe, uh are we back?
Speaker 2: After our dominant performance against the Trinida Trinidadians, Trinidad and Tobago,
Speaker 2: Tobago whatever. Are we back now? Are we so back?
Speaker 2: As the kids would say, We're not so back? I
Speaker 2: think it'll depend on the result tonight, the performance tonight.
Speaker 4: Locally. We'll see if your boy Poch deploys Diego Luna again,
Speaker 4: who moon man, who is basically you know, had a
Speaker 4: goal stolen from him on that shot, had an assist.
Speaker 4: Seems to play very free and well in the system
Speaker 4: that Mauricio Poctino likes to play. So I think Diego
Speaker 4: Luna plays better for the national team than he does
Speaker 4: for RSL because I feel like he's he has less
Speaker 4: on his shoulders, He's able to be more creative. It
Speaker 4: makes sense, and he's you know, playing with a higher
Speaker 4: caliber player across the board. For the most part, Are
Speaker 4: we back? I mean five five goals on a bad
Speaker 4: Trinidad and Tobago team is a good start. Saudi Arabia
Speaker 4: is historically not a good team in Asia, so should
Speaker 4: it should be another.
Speaker 6: Win.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it will be an easy win,
Speaker 4: but it should be a win. I am. I'm enjoying.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've been watching. I've been enjoying
Speaker 4: the Club World Cup.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you about MESSI scored.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, and they beat they beat Porto, which is
Speaker 4: no small feet yeah nothing.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean our former friends, former friends of the program,
Speaker 4: Danny Mussovski and Albert Rusnach are in the starting eleven
Speaker 4: for Seattle against against Athletico Madrid. It starts at four o'clock.
Speaker 4: So and then oh, that's why you're looking at the clock.
Speaker 1: That's well.
Speaker 4: And then their next their last group game is PSG
Speaker 4: Seattle's so is it really?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mbape is in the hospital. He's not with the
Speaker 1: SG anymore anyway.
Speaker 4: No, he's with Madrid, but he's in the hospital here.
Speaker 4: He's in the hospital a cute gastro enteritis, which is
Speaker 4: I think basically like scientific terms for like neurovirus. So
Speaker 4: he might have got the worst, the worst thing imaginable.
Speaker 4: Don't wish that on anybody.
Speaker 2: No, No, because I mean the NBA went through this
Speaker 2: weird phase where like they would sit players out with
Speaker 2: gastric distress. Yes, every time Jamal Tinsley went back to Brooklyn,
Speaker 2: he missed like three games with with like gas distressed.
Speaker 2: Like no, he went home and got loose with his hommies.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So when I saw that, I was like, what is
Speaker 2: that bad gas? But it certainly it's that must be
Speaker 2: so painful.
Speaker 4: I bet bad gas is probably like ninth on the
Speaker 4: list of all the bad things that he's currently dealing with.
Speaker 2: Are you good at understanding where the line is between
Speaker 2: bad gas and a heart attack? There have been days
Speaker 2: where I'm like, I'm having a heart attack. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: you're just plugged up.
Speaker 4: So this is great radio, So like we can talk,
Speaker 4: we can talk about this. One of my closest friends,
Speaker 4: he has a hard line of delineation between what is
Speaker 4: like a stomach ache and what is like gas. To him,
Speaker 4: a stomach.
Speaker 1: This is great, No, I love it.
Speaker 4: Stomach ache is feeling a little nauseous, okay to him,
Speaker 4: like he doesn't have time for the downtown stuff. It's
Speaker 4: more like it is it? Yes? And I tend to
Speaker 4: agree with it. Yeah, So I can tell you anything
Speaker 4: and everything you want to know about stomach issues.
Speaker 1: Is it something you experience?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Really? Oh yeah, like ever since you were a kid.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Are there certain food you have to avoid
Speaker 1: or else your.
Speaker 4: I can't I can't eat spice anymore. Spice spice. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's not even like I can't even eat a halpino.
Speaker 2: You're the one that introduced me to Afghan kitchen. You
Speaker 2: can't eat spice. So if you for me, if you
Speaker 2: grab some Afghan what's the order now?
Speaker 4: It's been a while. Everything Spicyani chicken chicken is spicy.
Speaker 4: It's not, no, bro, it's not. I mean maybe you
Speaker 4: can ask to ask to increase the spice level. I
Speaker 4: definitely don't.
Speaker 2: Well, you can choose your level of spice. Yeah, Oh
Speaker 2: it's it's it's always a zero, a zero.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is this a recent development the last ten years? Porter?
Speaker 1: How's your stomach with spice?
Speaker 4: Can you handle spy? I? Uh, I have a literal
Speaker 4: garbage disposal, Like I could eat rotting meat and I
Speaker 4: think my stomach would just be that cool.
Speaker 1: He's also like, what are you thirty yet?
Speaker 4: Barely?
Speaker 1: He's also very young man?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't. I mean I'm jealous of it.
Speaker 1: I am too.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Diego plays better for the US men's national team
Speaker 2: than he does for RSL, plays more free.
Speaker 1: Was Johnny Russell the missing piece all along?
Speaker 4: Johnny Goles, our.
Speaker 2: Guy Johnny Goles has taken a moniker from Johnny Mendez.
Speaker 4: Well, he's taken. He's taken the goals moniker from basically
Speaker 4: everyone else on the roster outside of Diego.
Speaker 1: Gozo has two Gozo has to listen.
Speaker 4: It does not bode I mean it's it's a good
Speaker 4: development for RSL, but it does not bode well for
Speaker 4: the state of the talent, of the of the attacking
Speaker 4: talent on the roster. And I know a lot of
Speaker 4: them were gone, but they literally brought an old dude
Speaker 4: off the street and he scored a goal in like
Speaker 4: his third game, first start. Some stuff you can't teach.
Speaker 4: Johnny Russell has like almost seventy goals in MLS, So
Speaker 4: the dude knows how to find the back of the net.
Speaker 4: Might be old, it might be a little bigger U.
Speaker 4: It will help having that voice in the locker room,
Speaker 4: but man, it does not speak well to the depth
Speaker 4: of the attacking talent on that team right now. But
Speaker 4: but Gozo, Gozo's been I think outside of Luna, Gozo's
Speaker 4: been the second best thing on this team this year.
Speaker 2: I would agree with that. And I think they've got
Speaker 2: something with him. Yeah, just graduated high school like two
Speaker 2: months ago, which is why.
Speaker 4: And a local kid, which is which is cool. Historically
Speaker 4: we've been known to develop, uh, you know, defenders and midfielders.
Speaker 4: I guess we do have some kids, the the.
Speaker 1: The the U sixteens or whatever.
Speaker 4: No, the brothers who are playing in Europe, the Booth brothers,
Speaker 4: both brothers that were from Eden. They're they're over there,
Speaker 4: they're attacking players. But yeah, it's it's cool that Xavier
Speaker 4: is actually like a Utah born for sure.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: Nick Romondo is inducted into the Ring of Honor, which
Speaker 2: now has Jason Krice, Javier Morales and Nikki was the third.
Speaker 2: Surprised that we don't have our guy.
Speaker 4: I think I think he's I think I read somewhere
Speaker 4: that they're planning on doing that next year.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, surprised that it was Nick first and Kyle
Speaker 2: am I making something out of nothing?
Speaker 4: Did Nick retire before Kyle?
Speaker 1: Yes, he did, good point, that might be it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I guess Jaber retired before Nick.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, because if we're talking, I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: as a as a sports guy, generally you're you're up
Speaker 4: for such nominations either very local or national or whatever
Speaker 4: based on the time you retire.
Speaker 1: This is true.
Speaker 2: You read Gordo's piece on Jay right on Jason Christ
Speaker 2: you sent it to me, I didn't well, I knew.
Speaker 4: Were invisible men.
Speaker 1: Yes, I knew.
Speaker 2: I knew it was in the works because of our
Speaker 2: guy sending us the heads up. It's a really interesting
Speaker 2: path to consider, how when Jay was here as the
Speaker 2: coach manager, excuse me, winning MLS cop you know nine
Speaker 2: the gaffer thank you and then should have wanted in thirteen?
Speaker 2: Thirteen was probably the best team right of RSL history?
Speaker 1: Is that fair?
Speaker 4: Should Yeah, and probably should have won Champions League?
Speaker 2: Should have won Champions League? It was thirteen second time
Speaker 2: was their lost? Would you say that's the best club
Speaker 2: in RSL history?
Speaker 4: Talent wise better?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 1: Nine, even though they won the cup.
Speaker 4: Well, I think ten to eleven twelve were probably the
Speaker 4: best teams, but roster talent wise probably thirteen. But I mean,
Speaker 4: you could make an argument that some of these teams
Speaker 4: in recent years have been more talented top to bottom
Speaker 4: for sure, roster wise, but they didn't get the results
Speaker 4: that those.
Speaker 1: Guys did last year.
Speaker 2: That fifteen game stretch, that's the best soccer I've ever
Speaker 2: seen played. Yeah, for RSL, you might want to keep
Speaker 2: a couple of those guys around, but you know, what
Speaker 2: are you going to do? What are your as Nicky
Speaker 2: goes into the Ring of honor, what's your recollection of
Speaker 2: kind of when he established himself as who he ultimately became,
Speaker 2: because it wasn't right out of the gates.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, I mean probably the year before they won
Speaker 4: the Cup because they had a pretty deep playoff run
Speaker 4: in OH eight.
Speaker 1: Was that the Eastern Conference finale where they.
Speaker 4: Hit the post like six times? So I think that
Speaker 4: was the first year Rio Tinto was open. It was,
Speaker 4: and it was a big deal that they got so
Speaker 4: far in their first year in their new stadium.
Speaker 1: My name's on a beam, yep.
Speaker 4: I think that was. That was back when the league
Speaker 4: was so dumb that teams from different conferences could enter
Speaker 4: the other team's playoff race. Because I think the Red
Speaker 4: Bulls beat RSL.
Speaker 2: They did that in that final and if I remember
Speaker 2: correctly in two thousand and nine, yes, RSL beat.
Speaker 4: Chicago and penalties and then Columbus. I think, how did
Speaker 4: that work? Because it's dumb. It is a dumb you
Speaker 4: know what, the dumbest it's still a dumb league. Yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe it's not as dumb as it once was. It's
Speaker 4: still a very very dumb league. You're gonna watch Seattle Athletic.
Speaker 2: Well, now that I know that Moose, Hey, Porter, will
Speaker 2: you find Seattle at Athletic?
Speaker 1: What channel is it on?
Speaker 4: Uh? So I've learned this this d D a Z
Speaker 4: N acronym. Know how you pronounce it?
Speaker 1: DOZ zone? The zone? Yeah, that sucks.
Speaker 4: Dunny was on the was on the Miami call Kay,
Speaker 4: which was cool. But I think this one is on
Speaker 4: the Zone and it's streaming for free online.
Speaker 2: If we are antiquated in the studio, we cannot stream
Speaker 2: on the television, so I guess I'll have to watch
Speaker 2: the replay. But I didn't know Moose was in the
Speaker 2: eleven Your guy, Well, it's John Paul's guy.
Speaker 1: I mean really like.
Speaker 4: The Moose is loose against one of the best teams
Speaker 4: in the world.
Speaker 2: We lost JP as a club when we didn't take
Speaker 2: care of Moose.
Speaker 4: You think so, oh, I know, so not not losing
Speaker 4: Chico and going No, it was Moose.
Speaker 2: Moose was the beginning of the decline where John Paul
Speaker 2: is legitimately no longer an RSEL fan.
Speaker 1: It's very sad.
Speaker 4: What about you?
Speaker 6: Was it?
Speaker 4: Crooks?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I stand on my feet, dude,
Speaker 2: I shouted out. Real, I am here for the lads.
Speaker 2: They have not lost me. I'm in for life, man.
Speaker 2: That's what happens.
Speaker 4: Is they going to make a push?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, They're so boring, so boring, it's so uninspiring. It's
Speaker 2: like I I watch I watch every Jazz game, even
Speaker 2: this year. Uh so, I watch every RSL game, but
Speaker 2: it is a task. I find myself of scrolling doom
Speaker 2: scrolling during RCEL matches, and then if something exciting happens,
Speaker 2: I'll hear the announcer. I'll just pull up apples, like
Speaker 2: you know, Apple does the whole moments that you missed.
Speaker 4: Do you still watch every yarsel that I tried to? Yeah,
Speaker 4: we're the Jazz gonna take.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: I really hope Dj edgecumb falls. I think he's really good.
Speaker 2: Happy anniversary in nineteen eighty four NBA draft class, which
Speaker 2: included one Michael Jordan, aquiem Olajuan and one John Stockton.
Speaker 2: All right, Chris, I'll let you go. You gotta go
Speaker 2: watch the game. That was an entertaining, weird hour. Thanks
Speaker 2: so much for your time, and we'll see how today.
Speaker 4: But it's Thursday.
Speaker 2: It's Friday for me. That's why you're here, is it?
Speaker 2: I'm off tomorrow? Yeah, good to say it, buddy. About
Speaker 2: two hours away ish from tip as the Pacers will
Speaker 2: try to stave off elimination tonight and the Oklahoma City
Speaker 2: Thunder will try to win the NBA Championship. Live to Indianapolis,
Speaker 2: we go, I believe. So that's where we find our guy,
Speaker 2: David committed on a Thursday.
Speaker 1: Dave, you are live on site?
Speaker 6: Yes, I'm in La.
Speaker 3: Okay, see, okay, see on Saturdays. Should Indianapolis take care
Speaker 3: of business tonight?
Speaker 1: Oh? Wow?
Speaker 3: A little bit of a story going on out in
Speaker 3: La that I've been working on, you know, So it's
Speaker 3: not that I'm just sitting around here twiddling my thumbs.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, the natural first question is how excited were
Speaker 2: you that that story broke? So therefore you did not
Speaker 2: have to make the trip to Indiana.
Speaker 3: There you go, good, good positioning there. That's I'm sure
Speaker 3: we'll talk about the sale.
Speaker 6: But I am. I wish I was in India, and
Speaker 6: I to be honest.
Speaker 3: Because being there for three and four it was an
Speaker 3: incredible atmosphere and I seeing some of the quotes coming
Speaker 3: out from guys like Miles Turner and Andrew Nemhard. They
Speaker 3: sound like a confident group that aren't.
Speaker 6: You know, sometimes a team gets to this.
Speaker 3: Point, they're looking towards the finish line, and they suffer
Speaker 3: an injury to one of their stars and it's like, well.
Speaker 6: Let's pack it up.
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like that's their mentality now that they
Speaker 3: could very well be outclassed by the Thunders. They had
Speaker 3: the last two games, and Brian Windhors pointed out today
Speaker 3: that the thunderscore fifty two points off of the Pacers
Speaker 3: turnovers last two games, like that will be the recipe
Speaker 3: for disaster if it goes that way tonight. But I'm
Speaker 3: kind of holding out hope that we get a really
Speaker 3: competitive game and a chance for a game seven on Sunday.
Speaker 1: How jealous was your wife when she found out that
Speaker 1: you were staying home?
Speaker 3: She also she loves being there, love love's mixing it up.
Speaker 2: Dave, Come on, man, you're talking to me, dude, Yeah, sorry, yeah?
Speaker 1: Are you sending her pictures?
Speaker 2: Are you sending her pictures of like the Santa Monica
Speaker 2: pier and the beach?
Speaker 1: Are you doing that?
Speaker 3: I'm more like, send of your pictures of like the
Speaker 3: laundry that I've done and the mail that I've opened.
Speaker 2: But okay, all right, if there was a second iteration,
Speaker 2: a modern day iteration of winning time, who plays Dave mcminnimon.
Speaker 6: Okay, this is a good one. I've been told before.
Speaker 3: I have a bit of a I can have a
Speaker 3: squinty look, and and when I'm in shape, which is
Speaker 3: not right now, but when I am in shape, I'm
Speaker 3: a little lanky. So I've been compared to Ed Norton before,
Speaker 3: and Ed Norton is a tremendous actor, so I'll go
Speaker 3: with Ed Norton.
Speaker 1: I like Ed Norton.
Speaker 2: H My producer has chimed in and he's offering Charlie
Speaker 2: Day because you're kind of a funny guy.
Speaker 1: How does that land?
Speaker 6: They get always funny connection?
Speaker 1: Sorry, well it was.
Speaker 2: It was an awesome series. I was bummed when HBO
Speaker 2: canceled it. But it did bring a lot of interesting
Speaker 2: perspective based off of Pelman's book on the part on
Speaker 2: the path that doctor Jerry Buss and of course his
Speaker 2: family have taken that has now ended in a you know,
Speaker 2: it's incorrect to say they sold it for ten billion.
Speaker 2: I know it's a little bit more nuanced and complex
Speaker 2: than that. And let me say you and timmy good time.
Speaker 2: Bontemp's great piece today. It was awesome. I've used it great,
Speaker 2: so great job. Take us through the process. What's this
Speaker 2: been like for the Bus family dating all the way
Speaker 2: back to when doctor Buss really risked it all? And
Speaker 2: what do you think it means to them to land
Speaker 2: on this day to day? And of course what does
Speaker 2: it mean for the Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously a tremendous series of events when doctor Buss
Speaker 3: was able to acquire the team for jacking Cook back
Speaker 3: in the seventies and kind of put all of his
Speaker 3: fortune on the line that he developed in real estate
Speaker 3: in order to make it happen for sixty seven million dollars,
Speaker 3: you know, now we're fast forward and to this moment
Speaker 3: of a ten billion dollar valuation. That's just a tremendous
Speaker 3: American success story in itself.
Speaker 6: And the way that trust was set up was the
Speaker 6: sixth siblings.
Speaker 3: You basically weren't getting now.
Speaker 6: Of course, the team, let me start here.
Speaker 3: The team was operating at a profit, so the six
Speaker 3: siblings were able to live a comfortable lifestyle based on
Speaker 3: the revenue generated from the Lakers on a year to
Speaker 3: year basis. But comfortable, you know, it's a very varying
Speaker 3: descriptor word. And there's levels of comfort where you're vacationing
Speaker 3: at a you know, a Maria, and there's a level
Speaker 3: of comfort where you're vacationing in the Maldives on a
Speaker 3: private island.
Speaker 6: And by going with a sale like this, it's Maldives
Speaker 6: all the time.
Speaker 3: You know, each of the siblings will clear somewhere in
Speaker 3: the neighborhood of a billion dollars, which is just a tremendous,
Speaker 3: tremendous number. And they the way the trust set up,
Speaker 3: none of the siblings would get paid out until the
Speaker 3: team was sold. So it's not like, hey, I want
Speaker 3: to sell my part to the rest of the siblings,
Speaker 3: give me my money, and I'll be on my merry.
Speaker 6: Way, It couldn't work that way.
Speaker 3: And with several of the siblings getting up there in age,
Speaker 3: you know, and this tremendous opportunity from a guy Mark Walter,
Speaker 3: who you know, became someone who Genie Bust trusted through
Speaker 3: the relationship with matgew Johnson and seeing the way that
Speaker 3: he's taken care of kind of a civic point of
Speaker 3: Pride organization and LA Dodgers.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 3: They decided it was the time to do it. So
Speaker 3: the family did a vote yesterday, the majority vote between
Speaker 3: the siblings, and you know, here.
Speaker 1: We go is is Jim going to be included? Here
Speaker 1: are they? Are they really going to give Jim his
Speaker 1: billion dollars?
Speaker 3: Jim will be getting his billion dollars, not what he
Speaker 3: does with it.
Speaker 6: We're all waiting with baita breath.
Speaker 7: Jim.
Speaker 3: The funny thing about Jim, you know, I was covering
Speaker 3: the Lakers when he had an influential role in the
Speaker 3: front office, and I've always liked Jim. He thinks a
Speaker 3: little bit outside the box and he's you know, not cut.
Speaker 6: From the cloth of corporate America, I don't think. But
Speaker 6: he cares about the team.
Speaker 3: And obviously it was back in twenty seventeen when him
Speaker 3: and Johnny Buss, you know, sued their sister Jeanie to
Speaker 3: try to you know, wrestle control from away from her
Speaker 3: for the organization like that was pretty ugly. But in
Speaker 3: recent years.
Speaker 6: That bridge has been repaired.
Speaker 3: And obviously Jeannie is the aunt to his kids, and
Speaker 3: I think that has something to do with it and
Speaker 3: the family did a Hulu documentary a couple of years ago,
Speaker 3: and I think that was kind of like, hey, let's
Speaker 3: put this all out in the open and let's move forward.
Speaker 6: And Jim's been around.
Speaker 3: A little bit more more since that documentary came out, So,
Speaker 3: you know, I think that was another sign that this
Speaker 3: this could happen, because if I think there was still
Speaker 3: rancor between the siblings, I don't think we would have
Speaker 3: come to this point that we're at now.
Speaker 1: So you and Tim did a really good job today.
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure how many sports fans or basketball
Speaker 2: fans really know because you hear the Lakers, you hear Tinseltown,
Speaker 2: you hear Los Angeles, and you just assume that they
Speaker 2: have the same bank roll to like the Knicks do
Speaker 2: with Jimmy Dolan. But that isn't the case, Dave, is it.
Speaker 2: It really has not been how this organization has been run.
Speaker 2: So she had some light on that kind of a
Speaker 2: you know, glorified mom and pop shop, And what do
Speaker 2: you think this acquisition will mean for the way they
Speaker 2: run the business moving forward?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So they spent on salary and they spent on
Speaker 3: luxury techs. If the salaries required that you know, in
Speaker 3: the Genie bus era since twenty thirteen when she became
Speaker 3: the governor, they spent more than one hundred and usween
Speaker 3: one point five billion dollars, eighth most out of any
Speaker 3: team in the league in that time, and they have
Speaker 3: the second most amount of championships in that time. Only
Speaker 3: franchise with more since twenty thirteen is the Warriors of four.
Speaker 3: And then whoever wins Tonight's Night Finals or Sunday's Finals
Speaker 3: game will be the ninth team to win one.
Speaker 6: So you know they've been competitives.
Speaker 3: Where they haven't spent as much is on their scouting department,
Speaker 3: on their coaches, on their analytics department, and those things.
Speaker 6: When you're in a.
Speaker 3: Hyper competitive space like the NBA is and it's being
Speaker 3: filled in that same amount of time by billionaires, you
Speaker 3: can be looked at as you know, behind the times.
Speaker 3: When it came to the NBA and this deal and
Speaker 3: Mark Walter, who is involved with the Googenheim group, you
Speaker 3: know they men's they'll have those extra resources to spend
Speaker 3: on all the stuff that isn't controlled by the salary
Speaker 3: cap that the Lakers, you know, under Genie.
Speaker 6: Bust chose not to spend on because again.
Speaker 3: I mean basically like they secondly probably could have afforded
Speaker 3: some of that stuff more. But then what's left for
Speaker 3: you know, the bus siblings to live on? You know,
Speaker 3: like basically all six of the siblings were, you know,
Speaker 3: living off of the Lakers wealth.
Speaker 2: So what have you learned about Mark Walter and what
Speaker 2: you know? What sort of owner? Excuse me, obviously he
Speaker 2: tried to buy the clips that went to Balmer.
Speaker 1: He owns the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: Dodgers payroll is far more than any other team in
Speaker 2: the Major League Baseball? What what sort of uh you know,
Speaker 2: majority owner will he be? I know Genie is still
Speaker 2: going to be the governor, But what have you learned
Speaker 2: about Mark? And what sort of owner do you think
Speaker 2: he's going to be? So far?
Speaker 3: You know, I've spoken several people who know him from
Speaker 3: the Dodgers. I haven't spoken to him directly. I look
Speaker 3: forward to that chance. But he has been for the
Speaker 3: most part hands off. He is very much involved when
Speaker 3: it comes to finding the right people that he wants
Speaker 3: to put in place for the job. But once he's
Speaker 3: been through that process, it's not like Barry Jones coming
Speaker 3: down from above and meddling with the decision makers. He
Speaker 3: wants to trust those people and am power those people.
Speaker 3: Of course they'll be signed off on certain things, but
Speaker 3: the general thought is that he recognizes that if you
Speaker 3: bring more smart voices in a room, it's better versus
Speaker 3: feeling like, oh, you know, be intimidated perhaps, or you know,
Speaker 3: maybe I'm not going to be as influential if I
Speaker 3: bring in someone with real bona FIDE's And that's similar
Speaker 3: to the model that the Clippers have followed by using
Speaker 3: Steve Balmer as well for building a robust front office,
Speaker 3: bringing in someone like Jerry West, who's, you know, considered
Speaker 3: one of the most shrewd general managers in the history
Speaker 3: of the sport, you know, prior to him passing away,
Speaker 3: you know, that is what he's kind of done with
Speaker 3: the Dodgers, and go out identify a young kind of
Speaker 3: quant in Andrew Friedman, who had a ton of respect
Speaker 3: around the sport but didn't have the resources in Tampa Bay.
Speaker 3: And it's like, use those same instincts for us, and
Speaker 3: you'll have my wallet to do so. And so certainly,
Speaker 3: I think the next question a lot of us are
Speaker 3: asking is, I don't think any in the short term
Speaker 3: that we expect any major changes to the decision makers.
Speaker 6: In terms of Jeanie.
Speaker 3: Buff we already have reporting on that, and Rob Blinka,
Speaker 3: we've reported on his contract extension that he signed shortly
Speaker 3: after the Luca Dodgers trade.
Speaker 6: But in the mid.
Speaker 3: To long term, who are those extra voices they are
Speaker 3: going to be involved in this team for the Lakers,
Speaker 3: because we anticipate there will be.
Speaker 2: I believe it was nineteen eighty three, maybe eighty four
Speaker 2: when Larry Miller secured a three million dollar loan from
Speaker 2: a bank here in Utah to purchase half of the
Speaker 2: Jazz and later had to secure another three million dollars
Speaker 2: by leveraging. His business at the time was not big,
Speaker 2: it was growing to buy the remaining remaining shares of
Speaker 2: the Jazz six to seven million dollars in eighty four.
Speaker 2: To wrap your head around a ten billion dollar valuation
Speaker 2: for a pro basketball.
Speaker 1: Team, Dave is something else.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what help me and our listeners understand
Speaker 2: exactly why the business of basketball is so good right now.
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, some of it is in a marketplace
Speaker 3: like Los Angeles in particular.
Speaker 6: It is a really strong brand and it allow you to.
Speaker 3: Sell all sorts of marketing opportunities, brand partnerships, et cetera
Speaker 3: with businesses in the LA area. And when you have
Speaker 3: those chances, then you know you are also then building
Speaker 3: out luxury suites et cetera, et cetera, that you are
Speaker 3: making sure they're filled by these corporations that you have
Speaker 3: these business relationships with. Beyond that, it's an international brand.
Speaker 3: I mean, the Lakers aren't just one of the biggest
Speaker 3: brands in North America, but literally in the world. And
Speaker 3: if you have the right type of people that have
Speaker 3: the right type of connections overseas and in different markets,
Speaker 3: you can turn that brand name into business opportunities.
Speaker 6: And what have the Dodgers been doing. I mean with shohe.
Speaker 3: Atani, they have a whole commerce, They have an whole
Speaker 3: industry based on the shift with Japanese corporations that they've
Speaker 3: been able to build out since getting him from the
Speaker 3: Anheiam Angels. And so you know, that's the same thing,
Speaker 3: like Japan will necessarily be the destination with the Lakers product,
Speaker 3: but I'm sure they'll try to pair up some business
Speaker 3: opportunities there. But you know, Mark Walter has soccer team
Speaker 3: in England Mark Walter also has business interests in the
Speaker 3: LA Sparks.
Speaker 6: Like he will try to.
Speaker 3: You know, basically the way your cable is bundled. He's
Speaker 3: going to bundle his sports interests in a way that
Speaker 3: he can do scaled deals that are unlike many other
Speaker 3: owners can offer. Two major brands that choose to work
Speaker 3: with him.
Speaker 2: Are you the brains behind Magic Johnson's tweets?
Speaker 3: I was shocked someone at ESPN when he was in
Speaker 3: doing a first take last week. I need to find
Speaker 3: this out and commend whoever the producer was got him
Speaker 3: to like read some of his dry tweets from the
Speaker 3: past and try to explain what the heck was going
Speaker 3: on through his mind when he had those tweets set out.
Speaker 3: So I applaug whoever you know you got magic to trust.
Speaker 6: Them enough to go through that process.
Speaker 2: So it is really him, that's really Magic Johnson tweeting
Speaker 2: out those tweets.
Speaker 3: There is a segment that FBI Social shared that he
Speaker 3: went through a couple tweets that read like Highlights magazine
Speaker 3: and he claimed ownership of them.
Speaker 2: So okay, all right, good to know, all right, moving
Speaker 2: on here, Dave any insight. There are several in look,
Speaker 2: the business now, certainly on social is really weird. I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm aggregated every day. I can't imagine what
Speaker 2: somebody with a platform like you feels like. So there's
Speaker 2: a lot of aggregation. There are a lot of rumors,
Speaker 2: but there continues to be So. There are two rumors
Speaker 2: that have surfaced over the past twenty four hours regarding
Speaker 2: conversations between the Jazz and the Lakers. One is the
Speaker 2: Walker Castler scenario that we've talked about. The other is
Speaker 2: like an John Collins RUI Hotcha Mura type situation. I
Speaker 2: don't know how much you've seen of either of these,
Speaker 2: but we'll end with the finals. But before we get there,
Speaker 2: any insight on Jazz Lakers trade talks.
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, obviously, you know we've talked about Kestler
Speaker 3: several times on your program, and yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 3: You know, some of our conversation last week was aggregated,
Speaker 3: and you know, everything we.
Speaker 6: Discussed is you know, it is what it is like.
Speaker 3: There remains interest on the Lakers end, and we presented
Speaker 3: the assets they could present in a deal, and that
Speaker 3: remains the case unless the Lakers were to do another
Speaker 3: trade prior to you know, expressing interests again to the
Speaker 3: Jazz and having different assets to show at that point,
Speaker 3: or obviously a three team deal or something like that.
Speaker 6: But just one to one that remains the same. I saw.
Speaker 3: I believe it was Andy Larson of the Salt Lake
Speaker 3: Tribune who mentioned some interests the Lakers have in John Collins.
Speaker 3: I saw, I believe you mentioned on a podcast. I
Speaker 3: haven't listened to the podcast. I saw in the aggregation
Speaker 3: of what he supposedly said and the package that the
Speaker 3: Lakers would potentially deal with Ruey and.
Speaker 6: Max Kleeber and you know.
Speaker 3: Multiple first rounders to me, sounds like an extreme overpay
Speaker 3: for a guy I think Colin's not expiring contracts of him.
Speaker 1: I'm not correct, correct.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it.
Speaker 3: Didn't really pass the smell test to me.
Speaker 6: I don't have reporting on the.
Speaker 3: Lakers talking to the Jazz about Collins. Of course, I'm
Speaker 3: not saying or feuding what Andy's heard. I just I
Speaker 3: haven't heard it personally. I would say, though, if what
Speaker 3: I saw in terms of what the trade package would
Speaker 3: be was accurate, because again I didn't listen to his podcast,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure exactly what I saw.
Speaker 6: Was accurate, But if that is accurate. I'd have a
Speaker 6: hard time seeing.
Speaker 3: The Lakers offering anywhere close to Collins at this stage
Speaker 3: or his career.
Speaker 6: Is that right now?
Speaker 3: There's there's still a lot of really hatching Mora fans
Speaker 3: in this organization like big time. And again we talked
Speaker 3: about the Japanese business interests, really Hachima. It can be
Speaker 3: something that Mark Walter's team can tap into in Japan
Speaker 3: about so shore, John Collins provides that much more of
Speaker 3: a basketball advantage that you would turn your back on
Speaker 3: seeing what you can do with that really hatchema connection.
Speaker 2: Okay, good point, but watch your mouth. John Collins was
Speaker 2: born in Augden, Utah. Have you ever been ogged in Utah?
Speaker 2: It's quite pleasant, Dave, Okay, sure.
Speaker 1: It's not all right.
Speaker 2: Breaking news sham Shararnia, who I believe you work with.
Speaker 2: Tyres Halliburton will play tonight in Game six of the
Speaker 2: NBA Finals, Dave, your install reaction, Yeah.
Speaker 6: That's where this thing has been trending.
Speaker 3: And obviously after Game five, when the adrenaline still pump
Speaker 3: and he says he's going to play, you do have
Speaker 3: to raise an eyebrow a little bit. But you know,
Speaker 3: we've had folks on our air report about it.
Speaker 6: I text with some folks connected.
Speaker 3: To Indiana who were basically presenting the scenario of we're
Speaker 3: going to trust him and not take away this opportunity
Speaker 3: from him, for sure, but we have to be ready
Speaker 3: and have a contingency plan if if he just doesn't
Speaker 3: look right, not only to protect him, but also to
Speaker 3: protect this opportunity in front of because this is a
Speaker 3: winner go home, your season's over scenario. And as great
Speaker 3: as Tyres Haliburton is, and he's tremendous.
Speaker 6: He has moxie, he has a sense.
Speaker 3: Of the moment, he's a great floor general, brings a
Speaker 3: great attitude, all those things, they are not built the
Speaker 3: Pacers needing thirty and fifteen from Tyres Haliburton to win,
Speaker 3: even to be the team as good as Oklahoma City Thunder.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think Halburt had like fourteen to sixteen
Speaker 3: points in Game one.
Speaker 6: Obviously he hit the biggest shot of the night, but
Speaker 6: it wasn't.
Speaker 3: Like he was dominant leading to the point where they
Speaker 3: got that win. And so you know, of course we
Speaker 3: all watched Game five and we saw the great third
Speaker 3: quarter that TJ McConnell had.
Speaker 6: He'll be part of the mix.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at Matherin and Nemhard as really the swing
Speaker 3: players for Indie to Night because they have the skill,
Speaker 3: they have the physicality, they have the you know, the
Speaker 3: ability to play with athleticism and match with the you know,
Speaker 3: those guys on.
Speaker 6: The thunder end of things.
Speaker 3: We talked about Shake gils I, was Ander and Jalen Williams,
Speaker 3: and I don't think they're intimidated whatsoever. They's got to
Speaker 3: play better. You know, nem Aar didn't shoot it well
Speaker 3: at all. Mathurin missed those free through was at the
Speaker 3: end of game four and maybe maybe Pacers are up
Speaker 3: three to one at that point. Like I look at
Speaker 3: those guys, and then obviously Pastelsiacam he had a really
Speaker 3: strong Game five.
Speaker 6: He can be that guy. He's won a championship before.
Speaker 3: You know, if those guys, you know, bring their a game,
Speaker 3: I think they could make up or mask a you know,
Speaker 3: ce performance out of Tyres Haliburton and extend the series.
Speaker 2: So you referenced a couple of the options I was
Speaker 2: debating earlier. If Tyres didn't play. You know, TJ only
Speaker 2: started one game this year, and I feel like Rick
Speaker 2: wants him to run that second unit, and if we're honest, oftentimes,
Speaker 2: like backup players in the NBA, it's kind of like
Speaker 2: the backup quarterback in football always the most popular player
Speaker 2: in the stadium. If the starter isn't going well, you
Speaker 2: just want to insert the backup. But the fact of
Speaker 2: the matter is, oftentimes TJ is playing better against backups.
Speaker 2: It's not entirely true in the case that Tyres gives
Speaker 2: it a go because you dave, you know what Mark
Speaker 2: Dagnold's going to do, Like Tyree's is going to be
Speaker 2: in every single action and lou Dord is going to
Speaker 2: be up in his jersey from jump. If after two
Speaker 2: three minutes it's pretty clear to Rick Carlisle that Tyres
Speaker 2: doesn't have it, what does it look like? Is it
Speaker 2: straight Tyree's for TJ? Is its sled Nemhar to point
Speaker 2: put in Benedict Matheren, who started I think forty nine
Speaker 2: games for them, what do you think that contingency for
Speaker 2: the Pacers actually looks?
Speaker 3: Like Nemard said at their player availability that he has
Speaker 3: been told that he's going to be handling the Ballmore so,
Speaker 3: if we take him out his word, we should see more.
Speaker 7: Of that.
Speaker 6: TJ. As you mentioned, he's tremendous, and you.
Speaker 3: Know, I think he is one of the better role
Speaker 3: players in the entire NBA. But some of that mix
Speaker 3: is literally maximizing every iota of energy in his body
Speaker 3: any given moment he's on the court, and given his
Speaker 3: physical size and the guys he's matching up against, you
Speaker 3: hit a ceiling.
Speaker 6: On that, and you know you're not.
Speaker 3: You're asking a lot to get more than like twenty
Speaker 3: five minutes of that level from TJ McConnell, and that's
Speaker 3: probably even asking too much.
Speaker 6: And so I think you'd rather.
Speaker 3: Put him in an environment that you already know is
Speaker 3: successful versus then perhaps Okay, all of a sudden, now
Speaker 3: he's going to be guarded by Ludort.
Speaker 6: And rendered ineffective there.
Speaker 3: And you're like, oh, so I took one advantage I
Speaker 3: had here to try to stabilize something over here, and
Speaker 3: now I lost both of them. Like, I don't think
Speaker 3: that's really the solution there, And you know, I think
Speaker 3: whomever is on the court, they need to push the
Speaker 3: ball and get into their actions quicker. Because what we
Speaker 3: saw in Game four, and you know, credits to Indiana,
Speaker 3: it was ugly early and they did make that run
Speaker 3: in the second half, but they were stagnant getting into
Speaker 3: their offense. So they're getting pushed all the way out
Speaker 3: to the timeline almost where like the before they screen
Speaker 3: to try to get downhill, like it's just it's not
Speaker 3: effective basketball playing that way.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: And then when you do get downhill, you know, that's
Speaker 3: when the thunder are so good at collapsing already, and
Speaker 3: it's you know, they have more space to collapse versus
Speaker 3: like they had to make that quick trigger decision where
Speaker 3: you're right at the hoop versus you're gonna shooter dump
Speaker 3: it off, they're gonna have success against you. And so
Speaker 3: you know, they got it first. The pace got to
Speaker 3: take take care of the basketball and they got to
Speaker 3: recognize that if Tier doesn't have it, all the other
Speaker 3: guys just got to give, you know, a little bit
Speaker 3: better than they have becase. I mean, listen, it was
Speaker 3: a two point game.
Speaker 6: Of the fourth quarter the other night.
Speaker 3: Okay, see it was great from that point on, but
Speaker 3: it was a two point game of the fourth indye
Speaker 3: should have a shot tonight.
Speaker 1: Do you have Allen?
Speaker 2: Do you have a lien you feel like at enst
Speaker 2: to I Do you feel like the Pacers extended to seven.
Speaker 7: I was texted with Simmy good times nice.
Speaker 3: Today and I went fifty five forty five. Okay see
Speaker 3: he said his instinct sixty five thirty five okay see.
Speaker 3: But I mean both of us giving a legitimate shot
Speaker 3: to the Pacers, Like it doesn't feel like a foregone
Speaker 3: conclusion that this thing's over tonight, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Dave, before I say you loose.
Speaker 2: If Oklahoma City gets it done, it will culminate what
Speaker 2: has been a historic season in many different ways.
Speaker 1: And you and I have talked about this.
Speaker 2: Maybe we just should have been more reductive and simplistic, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're awesome, They're probably gonna win it. Maybe Boston would
Speaker 2: have had something to say if Tatum stayed healthy. But
Speaker 2: what is your opinion on just how long this team
Speaker 2: can play at this level? You know they will have
Speaker 2: some extensions on the table. You know, Shay as a
Speaker 2: result of his MVP and team all NBA is due
Speaker 2: for supermacs. They have not extended CHET, which they'll do.
Speaker 2: And obviously Jalen just went for a forty a forty
Speaker 2: piece in the NBA Finals. He's gonna get paid as well.
Speaker 2: So if we assume they lock those three in which,
Speaker 2: of course they will. I believe that's just going to
Speaker 2: be like the core. And then you like an Alex Caruso,
Speaker 2: you know, you like an Isaiah Hartenstein, you like Aludort.
Speaker 2: Certainly I'm not diminishing those other players. But when you
Speaker 2: look at Bobby Mark's future NBA draft rankings, Oklahoma City
Speaker 2: is number one. They have thirteen future first round picks.
Speaker 2: They have all seven of their own. Everybody owes them something.
Speaker 2: So it feels like Sam Presty, who just is the
Speaker 2: best in the business that what he does, has plenty
Speaker 2: of options at his disposal to add talent around those
Speaker 2: three to kind of keep this thing ticking. But it
Speaker 2: is a new world in the NBA, it is a
Speaker 2: new CBA. How long do you think Oklahoma City can
Speaker 2: make this thing last?
Speaker 3: I really it comes down to I think your belief
Speaker 3: in just how great Shay is, and he's made me
Speaker 3: a believer, and so I think, like you're looking at
Speaker 3: at least a five year window where they should be
Speaker 3: the if not the favorite, in the contender favorites conversation,
Speaker 3: because everything I see from say is that like he
Speaker 3: is singularly focused, basketball is complete consumption of his life.
Speaker 3: And something like the idea of a teammate getting too
Speaker 3: much shine or living in a city local in the
Speaker 3: city compared to some of the other NBA locales, I
Speaker 3: don't think is going to change how he views the
Speaker 3: game of basketball and views his role with this team.
Speaker 3: And so you have that established. I think even if
Speaker 3: something unforeseen or unfortunate was to happen, like you know,
Speaker 3: chet Holmgren has already been through two major injuries in
Speaker 3: his career, and with the body build like that, you'd
Speaker 3: have to think that it's possible that he would have
Speaker 3: out the.
Speaker 6: Injuries pop up. Let's say something like that, that's happening,
Speaker 6: he has a major injury. Sit back.
Speaker 3: Because of all that draft capital they have moved forward, they.
Speaker 6: Are able to pivot.
Speaker 3: They're able to either use the draft picks themselves to
Speaker 3: figure out, you know, kind of.
Speaker 6: The new talent that's homegrown.
Speaker 3: That that can help them through a lean time when
Speaker 3: a guy is injured or a guy's not producing, or
Speaker 3: you just go PLoP it out and trade for any
Speaker 3: of the guys on the market, even if it's just
Speaker 3: for a year, because you just it's an embarrassment of
Speaker 3: riskness that they have.
Speaker 6: So yeah, they're they won't be spending a lot of time.
Speaker 3: In the playoffs in Oklahoma City over the next five years.
Speaker 3: And I don't really go beyond five years because like
Speaker 3: the NBA is, you know, the stuff's always unpredictable. But
Speaker 3: I'll give it a solid five year window moving forward.
Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, I'll sell you lose so you
Speaker 2: can text your wife a picture of your nobuu while
Speaker 2: she's eating her hot dog at halftime, Dave, thanks, thanks
Speaker 2: for the time, and enjoy the game, all right, the
Speaker 2: Great Dave mcminham an NBA Finals ninety minutes away game
Speaker 2: six tyree Saliburton will play. Probably cliche to say, but
Speaker 2: this has to be his best song, and maybe it is.
Speaker 2: The almost famous scene where the guitarist his name is
Speaker 2: Escaping Me played by Billy Crude, drops acid, jumps off
Speaker 2: a roof of a house in to Peka, Kansas at
Speaker 2: a party, lands in the swimming pool, and then is saved.
Speaker 2: And then the bus scene. Of course, Penny Lane. I mean,
Speaker 2: come on, doesn't get better than Penny Lane.
Speaker 4: I think I think it's got to be the best song.
Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily like a Elton John expert, to be clear.
Speaker 4: I don't know that. I could name you a whole a
Speaker 4: lot of his songs, but hey, this is a classic
Speaker 4: no matter which way you stick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is almost famous. Is one of
Speaker 2: my top five movies. It is a phenomenal film. Yes,
Speaker 2: I call it a film because I'm pretentious.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Cameron Crowe. Kate Hudson is Penny Lane,
Speaker 2: come on, man.
Speaker 1: Film I call him?
Speaker 4: I call him cinematic Adventures?
Speaker 1: Okay, don't be pretentious.
Speaker 2: Biggest movie crush you've ever had in your life, even
Speaker 2: when you were young or whatever.
Speaker 4: That's a good question.
Speaker 1: Kate Hudson is Penny Penny Lane has to be up there.
Speaker 4: Megan Fox was a big one.
Speaker 1: Okay. Transformers, Yeah, you are a kid.
Speaker 4: Jennifer Aniston always are.
Speaker 1: You an Aniston?
Speaker 7: Guy?
Speaker 1: I didn't know that about you. Yeah, you want to?
Speaker 2: You want to hear a super scorching hot take before
Speaker 2: we say good night. Cordney Cox better looking than Jennifer Anis.
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: Yeah, hot. I know it's a hot take. It's a
Speaker 2: hot friend's take, but that's what the people come here
Speaker 2: to listen to.
Speaker 1: Hot friends takes.
Speaker 4: Both pretty Kate, Jennifer Aniston's always wearing the Nick's gear
Speaker 4: in the Friends episode.
Speaker 1: True, it's true.
Speaker 4: That may have been uh, I may have been the
Speaker 4: killing see the The.
Speaker 2: Only issue like obviously Kate Hudson playing Penny Lane. It's
Speaker 2: a fictional character, and it's always like Rachel mcadam's wedding crashers.
Speaker 2: There's no like, that's not real. Okay, she was way
Speaker 2: too cool and way too Joe, Like, that's not a
Speaker 2: real thing. So you fall in love with movie characters
Speaker 2: but they're not real. But I'm gonna die on the
Speaker 2: hill that Elton John's best song is a his tiny
Speaker 2: dancer almost famous, Porter Larson, Are we talking about Game
Speaker 2: seven tomorrow or are we talking about okac is the
Speaker 2: NBA champs?
Speaker 4: I think we're talking about an NBA champion Oklahoma City Thunder.
Speaker 4: But I hope that's not true. I hope I'm wrong. Obviously,
Speaker 4: Game seven's are something that if you're a sports fan,
Speaker 4: especially if you're not a fan of the Pacers or
Speaker 4: the Oklahoma City Thunder. That's all I'm cheering for is
Speaker 4: to see a Game seven. There's nothing that matches that
Speaker 4: level of urgency, that level of pressure, and there's not
Speaker 4: you know, an uneven level of pressure. Both teams are winner,
Speaker 4: go home, come at game seven. So you know, I
Speaker 4: don't think so, but I think there's a chance. Here's
Speaker 4: the thing with how this postseason has gone and how
Speaker 4: Indiana has stayed alive through some of it, you almost
Speaker 4: expect them to win a game six in which you
Speaker 4: don't expect them to win. I know that doesn't make
Speaker 4: any sense, but it's it's kind of the way I
Speaker 4: feel going into this one. You know, an injured star player,
Speaker 4: you're kind of counted out. Well, that's the perfect time
Speaker 4: for the Pacers to win a game six and force
Speaker 4: a game seven. But ultimately, if not tonight, I do
Speaker 4: think we'll be talking about an OKAC thunder Championship in
Speaker 4: the next few days.
Speaker 1: I think I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say my hot NBA Finals take tonight is
Speaker 2: that it is over after this game. So we'll see, Okay,
Speaker 2: see Indiana Pacers Game six, and the NBA Finals comes
Speaker 2: your way coming up on the other side, all right,
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