Speaker 1: Welcome to my world, bitch.
Speaker 2: Wow, good.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the one hundred and sixty fourth episode of
Speaker 1: the Supernatural Occurrent Studies.
Speaker 3: Podcast So Tangrically Paranormal.
Speaker 1: And it was Jason Knight, host of the show and
Speaker 1: with me as always is Oscar Spector, producer, extraordinary and
Speaker 1: podcast co host. Isn't tantrically like sexually?
Speaker 3: It is? Yeah, especially with what we're doing after the
Speaker 3: show tonight.
Speaker 1: Just stop it. Ask her what has been going on
Speaker 1: with you, my friend?
Speaker 3: Nothing much, been doing them driving stuff, a lot of stuff,
Speaker 3: driving stuff.
Speaker 1: You know who is driving stuff?
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm a food delivery driver, you know.
Speaker 1: As they say, I don't know if we talked about that.
Speaker 3: I'm doing a lot of a lot of traveling around
Speaker 3: the Chicago area, going.
Speaker 1: Far, anything interesting happening out.
Speaker 3: A lot of rich places. I'll tell you that rich place.
Speaker 3: A lot of places that I did not know existed.
Speaker 3: There is one neighborhood I went to, don't even ask
Speaker 3: me where, somewhere Northfield, I remember, and it was a
Speaker 3: gated thing with a security guard, which I've seen in
Speaker 3: movies of course, but never actually been to one. And
Speaker 3: I had to like get double security and the guy
Speaker 3: like I had to give them information like a lot
Speaker 3: of times to let me in. And even going in,
Speaker 3: it was like a whole neighborhood of houses big and small,
Speaker 3: like they were completely guarded right all the way. It
Speaker 3: was hard to it was easy to mess too. It
Speaker 3: was like surrounded by woods in super darkness. They don't
Speaker 3: have a lot of light around there. Wow, I almost
Speaker 3: missed it to turn again. It was insane. This is
Speaker 3: Chicago and Northfield. I don't know. That's like, wow, ten
Speaker 3: miles don't know.
Speaker 1: So you've never been into a dating community.
Speaker 3: No, I mean not like that, not not secured like that.
Speaker 3: I see, you know, because a lot of them are
Speaker 3: just opened, you know, just squawking and right. But this
Speaker 3: almost keep the they do keep the rift rap out.
Speaker 3: I mean think that was cool out of the security.
Speaker 3: Uh been to Mansions. There is one apartment complex in
Speaker 3: Evanston that I went to that looks like a regular
Speaker 3: you know, nonchalant building inside, super looking, fancy looking. I
Speaker 3: needed a code for the elevator, specifically for the floor
Speaker 3: that I was delivering the thing, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I've never seen that before. Usually it's like a hotel
Speaker 3: that's like a CIA thing. Hotels like yeah, yeah, I've
Speaker 3: been too fancy about that. Been to the Ritz in
Speaker 3: downtown Nice and their lobbies on the fourteenth floor for
Speaker 3: some reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's remember something about that.
Speaker 3: I had to go there after getting like waved by
Speaker 3: the camera, which is on the first floor of the
Speaker 3: ground floor. Nothing nobody there, nobody there at all. I
Speaker 3: had to go up to the fourteenth floor, and even
Speaker 3: then I had to wait for someone that can go
Speaker 3: up myself to the actual It's crazy a not crazy
Speaker 3: things like that.
Speaker 1: How about like, you know, I've seen adult films with
Speaker 1: food delivery drivers come to the door deliver a pizza.
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, does this happen while you're out there?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you might now to you if it
Speaker 3: ever happens to me, And I'll text you in real time.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's where my mind goes.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, but what I'll text you in real time
Speaker 3: is not what you expect. I won't be a screenshot.
Speaker 3: It'll be me giving you my GPS coordinates. And kids
Speaker 3: I get kidnapped or murdered or my kid and it
Speaker 3: gets stolen and.
Speaker 1: We have stories about that too. Almost Gus murdered out.
Speaker 3: That's my bigger worry if that kind of thing even
Speaker 3: remotely happens, starts happening, because I'm like, I'm trust this, Like,
Speaker 3: why would I trust this to go to be true?
Speaker 3: It's a reason why people say that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would probably be a little a little reluctant
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: And some people, man, some people are in states of
Speaker 3: undressed when they open the door.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, dude, I bundle up. I put my
Speaker 1: little beanie on my hat. I got both men and
Speaker 1: women put my hoodie on, saying like anybody really yeah,
Speaker 1: not like on dress like they're naked, no, but like
Speaker 1: they're really and it's like they just got up too,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: It's like they're under less jammies or less towel once
Speaker 3: you know what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people got balls, man, not me. I put on
Speaker 1: kevlar when I open the door. Yeah, keV, I yelled
Speaker 1: to the door. Just leave it on the step. I
Speaker 1: don't want to see nobody.
Speaker 3: That's just expensive man. Kevlar.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure that's what I opened the door in.
Speaker 3: I don't believe it. But that's it about you.
Speaker 1: You know, not much We've been going on, just working,
Speaker 1: just working. It was kind of a been a boring
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. I do have a couple of stories though,
Speaker 1: a little updates.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, we do.
Speaker 1: Well one this first little story, it's not an update.
Speaker 1: It's just something kind of cool that happened in the
Speaker 1: Chicago Land area. Oh yes, this happened on January twenty eighth. Okay,
Speaker 1: towards the western suburbs of Chicago, like Rodsworth, Illinois. It's
Speaker 1: kind of where this report's coming from, Yorkville.
Speaker 3: I am not from Illinois.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's western suburbs. But at night on this
Speaker 1: on the twenty eighth, January twenty twenty five, of course, Uh,
Speaker 1: these fireballs started were streaking across the sky over western
Speaker 1: suburban Chicago, and it wasn't meteors that meteors. They already said,
Speaker 1: this is not.
Speaker 3: Meters, most likely some sort of debris.
Speaker 1: That's what they're thinking is space debris. Nor Ed hasn't
Speaker 1: come out and made any comments about.
Speaker 3: It, which is fairly common. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of junk that we put in our orbit exactly, and
Speaker 3: they do constantly fall, whether or not they always make
Speaker 3: they don't always make streaks like this in the sky.
Speaker 3: That's the thing. That's what's different maybe with this one,
Speaker 3: and it's not that big long streaks long. It was
Speaker 3: kind of big chunks, maybe bigger than usual.
Speaker 1: You know, it looked like when the was the Transformers
Speaker 1: when they were coming down the Decepticons, Right, that's kind
Speaker 1: of what it looked like, right.
Speaker 3: Yea, it's Michael Bay and real life are basically the
Speaker 3: same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it probably like you're saying, is space junk.
Speaker 1: But that kind of brings up the whole conversation of
Speaker 1: what the fuck are we doing to our orbit up there? Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's dangerous now if there was a passenger
Speaker 1: plane in the path of those things.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, that's what you're worried about.
Speaker 1: Destruction. Yeah, yeah, this stuff is going to eventually start
Speaker 1: falling out of the sky.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it has been since the sixties, right,
Speaker 3: since we've been putting stuff up there. Yeah, it's been falling.
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of things get once they once
Speaker 3: their experiment is done, they don't bring it down. Well,
Speaker 3: it's gonna cost way too much to bring it down there,
Speaker 3: just a wait for it to get knocked a little
Speaker 3: off course enough to bounce onto our armisphere right or
Speaker 3: bounce away right. Sometimes it bounces away, I guess sometimes
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how.
Speaker 3: I'm not good with the physics. But it makes sense
Speaker 3: that that's what it could be. Whether or not it's
Speaker 3: unorthodox that it's so large, which maybe and that's weird,
Speaker 3: or whether or not. I mean, I would like a
Speaker 3: confirmation from like no Rieta Nassa or something to tell
Speaker 3: us like, hey, it's nothing that bizarre. It's bigger than usual.
Speaker 3: It looks weird, right, and what else coun it be?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: It can't be something?
Speaker 1: Who knows?
Speaker 3: How can they look like I mean, looking like that,
Speaker 3: I don't know. It does seem like it was falling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looked like it was. I think it's space junk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's now. We're recording this on February seventh. So
Speaker 1: to date, Nora ed, no one has come out and
Speaker 1: really said what that was. But meteorologists, like local meteorologists,
Speaker 1: are saying that's got to be space debris. But and
Speaker 1: there's just statistics about how much junk is up there orbiting.
Speaker 1: I don't have those numbers on me right now, or
Speaker 1: those stats. But we're just you know, we're destroying the Earth. Now,
Speaker 1: we're destroying I.
Speaker 3: Mean the premise of that movie Gravity right, was like
Speaker 3: that they were like in just above near orbit of
Speaker 3: our Earth, and the thing that caused all the crashes
Speaker 3: and that hit the space station or whatever. It's all
Speaker 3: like the satellites orbiting, they're constantly openating Earth, like got
Speaker 3: this lodge and started hitting and all the circling each other,
Speaker 3: all the debris.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, I remember seeing that.
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not saying that's real. I'm just saying
Speaker 3: that sounds right to me.
Speaker 1: Well, god, I don't know. There's we can't litter space, right,
Speaker 1: that's impossible. Right, we're doing it, but we're not seeing
Speaker 1: the debris. It's litter coming streaking across.
Speaker 3: Oh no, it's coming down here. That's not good. I'm
Speaker 3: just saying that we can't actually litter space, like I'm
Speaker 3: fine with throwing anything into space. Oh god, it's humongous,
Speaker 3: it's unfathomably huge.
Speaker 1: We got to get it out that far, right, like,
Speaker 1: we have to get it.
Speaker 3: You read, to get it far enough space. No, No,
Speaker 3: you're right.
Speaker 1: So that that's pretty interesting, and so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just endangering craft that fly up there,
Speaker 1: and just another reason for me not to fly. I
Speaker 1: guess dunk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all you saw was a potential way to get killed.
Speaker 1: So what's going on in the skies lately? Things aren't
Speaker 1: staying up there?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, sitting at DC.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, case in point something I read about
Speaker 1: just today over Alaska this time, remember we did our
Speaker 1: Alaska Triangle episodes episodes one, thirty one, thirty one vaguely yes,
Speaker 1: great episodes. So on Thursday, February sixth, so yesterday, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five, of course, around three sixteen pm, a bearing
Speaker 1: Air Sesna twenty eight two eight B Grand Caravan ex
Speaker 1: it's a prop plane when yeah, vanished as it flew
Speaker 1: over the Norton Sound while en route from Unicalte, Alaska
Speaker 1: to Nome. And we're talking prime Alaska Triangle territory here,
Speaker 1: and it was carrying nine passengers in a pilot, so
Speaker 1: ten people. This plane vanished. It's the FBI is involved.
Speaker 1: They're trying to triangulate things when all these satellite stuff
Speaker 1: trying to find this plane. They haven't found it yet,
Speaker 1: and they've done water search and land search as well,
Speaker 1: so as of right now, for all intents and purposes,
Speaker 1: this fucking thing disappeared.
Speaker 3: Hi, y'all, Oscar here with an interruption on our opening
Speaker 3: to tell you that just days after the show was recorded,
Speaker 3: we found out the tooth of what happened in this accident,
Speaker 3: this Alaskan accident. We found out that the mystery hasn't solved.
Speaker 3: That the update is that the plane was found and
Speaker 3: everybody is dead. So before we're back to the show,
Speaker 3: I just enjoy the fact they were completely wrong. Either way,
Speaker 3: enjoy the show.
Speaker 1: Ten people on board.
Speaker 3: It's it's like the lost plane.
Speaker 1: The lost plane, oh from the show, Oh, from the show? Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, or I mean just exactly what we
Speaker 1: were talking about in our Alaska Triangle episodes, right, how
Speaker 1: these things go? These planes go disappearing in mass over
Speaker 1: the Alaska Triangle. Uh Unicalate, Alaska where this thing was
Speaker 1: coming from taking off from. If you remember from those
Speaker 1: Triangle episodes, Unicalte is somewhere near Unkalite is where the
Speaker 1: black pyramid is supposed to be. Okay, it's coming back
Speaker 1: underground pyramid.
Speaker 3: Coming back to me. I remember that.
Speaker 1: Yes, And this thing they say lets off immense energy
Speaker 1: it's its own sort of energy source, this mysterious thing.
Speaker 3: And because maybe you do have it. Do you remember
Speaker 3: the episode number.
Speaker 1: Well, it was either one thirty or one thirty one,
Speaker 1: hopefully we talked about the Black Pyramid. I just don't
Speaker 1: read the show notes.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying so people can say, hey, a
Speaker 3: new incident is something we talked about before episode one
Speaker 3: thirty ish?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was one thirty or one thirty one. I
Speaker 1: just both. You know, in one we covered like disappearing planes,
Speaker 1: disappearing people, maybe something else. In the next one we
Speaker 1: covered like a serial killer, thunderbirds and stuff. So I
Speaker 1: separate the little the little Inukins, remember the Little Eukins,
Speaker 1: a little little troll people that run around Alaska and people.
Speaker 1: All right, So yeah, I broke it into those two
Speaker 1: episodes into different topics. So you just got to read
Speaker 1: the show notes and it'll tell you where.
Speaker 3: The wonder it did. That season of two Detective from
Speaker 3: last year was in that same path. Oh you know what,
Speaker 3: I don't know, in the same area.
Speaker 1: I forgot what town they were in in that in
Speaker 1: that that series, but so so unicleat is somewhere around
Speaker 1: there is supposed to be where the black pyramid is
Speaker 1: that releases this immense immense energy, possibly curates vortices with
Speaker 1: these energies, and planes get.
Speaker 3: Lost possibly right, and they sucked up the telemetrics of
Speaker 3: the plane.
Speaker 1: Right. And then Gnome. That's n O M Nome Alaska.
Speaker 1: I mean that that's like nowhere land. Man, there's nothing there,
Speaker 1: like population six hundred something. But what it's known for
Speaker 1: is where that I did arod ends that I did
Speaker 1: ends in nom Alaska.
Speaker 3: Okay, So, but.
Speaker 1: The TV show to movie that TV show, Mila djo
Speaker 1: Jo Jovovich.
Speaker 3: Aliens, The Third Fourth Kind.
Speaker 1: The Fourth Kind. First of all, love the movie.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it in a while, but I remember
Speaker 3: liking it.
Speaker 1: Very scary. It's a fucking scary movie.
Speaker 3: Well, aliens freak you.
Speaker 1: Out, and there's some freaky shit in that movie.
Speaker 3: You put a spider in your movie, folks, Jay will
Speaker 3: we freaked out?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Aliens and spiders. Forget it, Aliens and
Speaker 1: spiders on an airplane. But the other thing with Gnome
Speaker 1: is that historically, record numbers of record numbers of people
Speaker 1: have disappeared from this town, which is why they made
Speaker 1: the Fourth Kind. They put an alien spin so Now
Speaker 1: these people weren't just wandering off into the wilderness and
Speaker 1: dying alien. So there is this real life mystery. I
Speaker 1: remember that movie of the Gnome Disappearance really.
Speaker 3: Tried hard to babe, like say that illustrate how much
Speaker 3: this is based on two events kind of thing.
Speaker 1: In the movie.
Speaker 3: In the movie, Yeah, they were trying harder than most
Speaker 3: movies do. I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's just interesting that this plane was lost
Speaker 1: unicually Black Triangle.
Speaker 3: I mean, seems right to me. Might be another another
Speaker 3: another incident and another chapter.
Speaker 1: Well we got to watch and see this find this plane.
Speaker 3: But also at the same time, things like this happen anyway, right, people,
Speaker 3: we see a lot of stories of people just.
Speaker 1: Get especially this time of year and fucking Alaska, it's
Speaker 1: treacherous to fly. So interesting listeners, keep your eyes open
Speaker 1: for this, uh this plane that went missing, this this
Speaker 1: bearing cessna ten people. Our thoughts are with their family,
Speaker 1: that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Terrifying. Yes, So what else do we have? Drone update?
Speaker 3: There's an update?
Speaker 1: Drone update is the update date?
Speaker 3: I think I know what the update is is the
Speaker 3: update the fact that no one is paying attention to
Speaker 3: them anymore. It's just all the chatter is stopped overnight.
Speaker 1: It's like literally someone flipped a switch. For a month,
Speaker 1: they were everywhere. It was an invasion, over sensitive military installations,
Speaker 1: over populated cities, scaring people, chasing navy ships, and then
Speaker 1: it was like never even happened.
Speaker 3: Do you think this is a phenomenon that's only because
Speaker 3: of our like a current day phenomena. You think this
Speaker 3: only could happen in our current day or is this
Speaker 3: something that's always been true for people like that? You
Speaker 3: can have an incident so bizarre and widespread, you know,
Speaker 3: attention getting worldwide attention getting like this, and then nothing.
Speaker 1: I don't think, dude, I can't think of is.
Speaker 3: This common for human nature or is it a product
Speaker 3: of like our Internet age or something like that.
Speaker 1: I kind of think it's a product of media, our
Speaker 1: current media and the Internet age, because they feed each other.
Speaker 1: They're kind of part of the same machine. Opinion on
Speaker 1: the part of the same machine. And I personally think
Speaker 1: someone came in and said, you do not talk about
Speaker 1: this anymore, and that was it. That was it pulled
Speaker 1: from all the news stations. If the news not feeding it,
Speaker 1: social media is not talking about it, it's gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm tending to think you're right.
Speaker 1: So here's the update. Now, this is from This is
Speaker 1: a quote from a White House press briefing that was
Speaker 1: held on Tuesday, January twenty eighth, twenty twenty five, the
Speaker 1: same Tuesday that the same time the stuff was streaking
Speaker 1: across checking on Western Chicago. Yeah weird. So yeah, this
Speaker 1: is from. This is an official word from a press press
Speaker 1: briefing from Tuesday, January twenty eight, twenty twenty five, given
Speaker 1: by the new White House Press Secretary Carolyn leave It.
Speaker 1: This is a quote. We do have news directly from
Speaker 1: the President of the United States that was just shared
Speaker 1: with me in the Oval Office from President Trump directly.
Speaker 1: An update on the New Jersey drones. After research and study,
Speaker 1: the drones that were flying over New Jersey and large
Speaker 1: numbers were authorized to be flown by the FAA for
Speaker 1: research and various other reasons. Many of these drones were
Speaker 1: also hobbyists, recreational and private individuals that enjoy flying drones,
Speaker 1: and in time it got worse due to curiosity. This
Speaker 1: was not the enemy. A statement from the President of
Speaker 1: the United States. End quote. Now, hold on, I got
Speaker 1: a problem.
Speaker 3: I got a few problems, so just a few.
Speaker 1: Weeks ago, yeah, month whatever. At this point, the FAA
Speaker 1: had no fucking idea what these things were.
Speaker 3: Right, that was the word that was an official They
Speaker 3: said one percent mentioned the locals down there, like the authorities,
Speaker 3: police and stuff, they didn't know either. Yes, and they
Speaker 3: have to notify them if they're flying shit up there, exactly.
Speaker 1: So it was made very clear in numerous countless press
Speaker 1: conferences and news articles and everywhere on social media that
Speaker 1: the FAA was involved in the investigation into the drone sidings,
Speaker 1: as was the FBI, state and local authorities, and none
Speaker 1: of them had a clue what was happening. That was
Speaker 1: the official word, right, So the FAA didn't have to
Speaker 1: your point, they didn't have to tell local officials or
Speaker 1: commanders at military bases the heads of other sensitive areas
Speaker 1: what they were doing. The FAA, come on, it's total bullshit.
Speaker 1: What a shitty official answer to the drone siding.
Speaker 3: So I can only think of one reason, But do
Speaker 3: you have an idea as to why they would say
Speaker 3: this now?
Speaker 1: No? No, Well to shut everyone up, to put an
Speaker 1: official stamp.
Speaker 3: End in it, right, So, I mean, yeah, the stand
Speaker 3: thing I can see that.
Speaker 1: No we're talking about it because here's what it was.
Speaker 3: My main thing. Well, I can't it can't be just that,
Speaker 3: right I do. I can't be to that fact. The
Speaker 3: period and a sentence where they must have like squeezed
Speaker 3: news and affiliates to stop talking about it like that
Speaker 3: goes hand in hand and with this statement. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: can't just have the statement and expect people to stop
Speaker 3: talking about it. But combinationally with the with telling people
Speaker 3: to stop stop doing it, then that maybe works. I
Speaker 3: was gonna say, is that maybe they're doing it so
Speaker 3: they can discourage idiots maybe who would believe them to
Speaker 3: shooting down or trying to shoot down drones, especially in
Speaker 3: the New Jersey area, you know, kind of thing, kind
Speaker 3: of like stomp out some sort of violent altercations, even
Speaker 3: if they don't want to admit what's going on, because yeah,
Speaker 3: it doesn't make sense. It's a bullshit answer.
Speaker 1: So bullshit response complete, bullshit response complete. There's still no
Speaker 1: explanation as to who was flying these things, what they
Speaker 1: were doing, what they were looking for, were they taking off,
Speaker 1: where they're taking off or landing we're from, why they
Speaker 1: seem to be chasing navy ships? Nothing all we get
Speaker 1: from Trump is that the drones were authorized to be
Speaker 1: flown by the FAA for research and other various reasons.
Speaker 1: Get that vague non answer out of here.
Speaker 3: Yes, pretty bad.
Speaker 1: And so that's it. I mean, that's no mention on
Speaker 1: the drones that were flying in other states.
Speaker 3: Think a declassified uh you know Senator hell briefly briefing
Speaker 3: about this in five years fifty years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably like Kennedy.
Speaker 3: Also, yeah, the Kennedy thing.
Speaker 1: Not yet. They didn't. They didn't release any They.
Speaker 3: Mentioned something about that, right, that's something that you signed.
Speaker 1: Trump is supposed to release the final documents on the
Speaker 1: Kennedy assassination.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 1: Know anything next month, I think.
Speaker 3: Okay, are we gonna get on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll read it for sure. So that's where we are.
Speaker 1: It makes me angry. I'm angry about this drone thing.
Speaker 1: Like you know, Trump is always gung ho. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you everything. I'm not gonna hi you.
Speaker 3: He's like, should never trust anything.
Speaker 1: But then just to give that such non answer, fucking bullshit.
Speaker 1: It makes me mad, bullshitter.
Speaker 3: What about I never trust anything?
Speaker 1: What about the other drones in the other states? She
Speaker 1: just quote the quote from Trump that Carolyn talked about
Speaker 1: was over Jersey, what about over all the other states
Speaker 1: across the country? No mention of those Yeah, I'm angry.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well we might get answers from something that
Speaker 3: happened a long time ago, but anything reason, I'm not surprised.
Speaker 3: I guess of the non answer, And honestly, it doesn't
Speaker 3: have to be chumpy. There could be. I think anybody
Speaker 3: in that position wouldn't admit to this kind of thing,
Speaker 3: no matter what. So like, no matter why we get
Speaker 3: the same non answer, it would just be a different
Speaker 3: reason why every saying it in this case anyway. Yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 3: it's a lot of things madden me every day. This
Speaker 3: is not high on the list, but it's it's annoying,
Speaker 3: it's very frustrating.
Speaker 1: I wish we could have come to the listeners with
Speaker 1: a real answer, but.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, this is a real life It's
Speaker 3: like a I mean, there are real puzzle box mysterets
Speaker 3: in the world, but real life, unfortunately, means that we
Speaker 3: never get those actual answers. Yeah, there is no finale
Speaker 3: that'll give us an answer.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, so that's it there. We got to
Speaker 1: keep this moving I'm angry. I want to drink. Yes, please,
Speaker 1: let's yeah, whiskey do you want to do this? Whiskey first, Oh,
Speaker 1: whiskey first, okay, and whiskey first. Okay.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that. I didn't know what you were
Speaker 3: doing with that. It's good.
Speaker 1: So we have a new bottle of whiskey that we're
Speaker 1: gonna open today. This is chicken.
Speaker 3: Cock, very cocky, chicken chicken cock. What did the chicken
Speaker 3: cock gt went across the road? What bourbon? I didn't
Speaker 3: have a joke. Oooh yeah, I couldn't think I won
Speaker 3: in the moment.
Speaker 1: So chicken cock. Bro I picked this up in Kentucky
Speaker 1: and I liked it. It's ninety proof, so this isn't
Speaker 1: going to burn you too bad. Uh. This is a
Speaker 1: brand that goes back all the way to eighteen fifty six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: eighteen fifty six for chicken cock. You were born that year, right,
Speaker 1: and and it was it was really big during prohibition.
Speaker 1: It lasted through prohibition, and it was big in the
Speaker 1: bars during prohibition, like the Cotton Club underground shit. It
Speaker 1: was chicken cock, but it was being smuggled in in
Speaker 1: these ten ends. So they called it to tin can
Speaker 1: whiskey back then, but it was chicken cock. You know.
Speaker 3: Finding the reasons why people name their their brands and
Speaker 3: bottles certain things, it's always fascinating and weird, the same
Speaker 3: way finding out why a band will call themselves whatever
Speaker 3: they're called. Like, it's such a weird. What do you
Speaker 3: know why it's called chicken cock? I don't, Okay, I
Speaker 3: beout you if you look it up and see it's
Speaker 3: it's fucking weird.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a really cool bottle. It's it's almost
Speaker 1: got like it feels like scales on the bottle the way.
Speaker 3: It's it does like honeycomb.
Speaker 1: Honeycomb, thank you good? Uh so, Yeah, it's it's just
Speaker 1: an old iconic brand. I haven't tried this yet. It's
Speaker 1: from a kind of the heart of Bourbon country. It's
Speaker 1: it's Paris, Paris, Kentucky where this is from where it originated?
Speaker 3: And is there honey in it? Like you okay? Because no,
Speaker 3: I maybe think that because of that pattern.
Speaker 1: Here we go. I just I can't. I can't get
Speaker 1: over it. I love the sound, love everything about it.
Speaker 1: I'll give you some here. Like I said, it's ninety proofs,
Speaker 1: so it's not gonna kill you so we could. We'll
Speaker 1: still be able to drive tonight. But before you do it,
Speaker 1: we're gonna try something different. Here, me cap this back up.
Speaker 3: No, you're gonna try something different.
Speaker 1: So for Christmas, my lovely wife and me put this
Speaker 1: back up on my show. Here, she got me what's
Speaker 1: called a bourbon nosing kit. Have you talked about this
Speaker 1: on the show yet?
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: So what this is. It's supposed to help you develop
Speaker 1: your bourbon palate, your whiskey palate, right, and it is
Speaker 1: let me think, eighteen canisters of different items, different spices,
Speaker 1: flavors that you would find in whiskey and bourbon, right, like, so,
Speaker 1: brown sugar, chocolate, honey, black pepper, cinnamon, allspice, arsenic tobacco.
Speaker 1: You know over here that I want you to try oak, cry,
Speaker 1: vanilla corn. And what you do is you smell these
Speaker 1: canisters and this is the real the real product is
Speaker 1: in these canisters. So there's real vanilla bean, there's real corn,
Speaker 1: real shards of oak, you know, rye. So you nose these,
Speaker 1: you smell them, and then you taste your whiskey and
Speaker 1: try to pick out the different flavors. Right, So let's
Speaker 1: try that once you try this vanilla, So open that up.
Speaker 1: Get that that that schnazy gears right down in there.
Speaker 1: Get a big whiff. Oh yeah, Now take your whiskey
Speaker 1: and try the whiskey. I'm gonna do the corn. Does
Speaker 1: the vanilla help you? Does smelling the vanilla help you
Speaker 1: pick out vanilla flavors notes in the whiskey?
Speaker 3: Maybe a little?
Speaker 1: Oh? I do taste vanilla in mine corn? Who I'm
Speaker 1: smelling the corn and I take a sip. Definitely that
Speaker 1: does help enhance the flavor of the whiskey, because a
Speaker 1: lot of your taste is smell right, let me try them.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, it is, You're right, And.
Speaker 1: There's the vanilla. Yeah, definitely sweetness in there. I am
Speaker 1: picking up oak without even having to smell the oak.
Speaker 1: It's nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the vanilla was more prominent for sure than no,
Speaker 3: not that one.
Speaker 1: Have you tried the corn the rye?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I haven't. Oh the rye? Yeah, I haven't tried the rye.
Speaker 1: Let me see knows the rye.
Speaker 3: Surprised corn even has a smell.
Speaker 1: Then go right to the wall. It does? It does?
Speaker 1: I could pick out the rye after smelling it. That's
Speaker 1: pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a nifty gift.
Speaker 1: I like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like an invention that I never ever ever
Speaker 3: would have ever imagined I thought of myself.
Speaker 1: And they're not. It's not cheap. It's not cheap. So right, okay,
Speaker 1: Well it's a long intro. We have updates on the
Speaker 1: Long Island serial Killer, right, some new things are going
Speaker 1: on there. So that's what this episode episode is going
Speaker 1: to be about, Oscar. Let's take a quick break and
Speaker 1: finish this chicken cock. Let's do it well, listeners, welcome
Speaker 1: back to the show. Well, the lights are turned down low,
Speaker 1: the ceremonial candle is lit, and the chicken cock is flowing.
Speaker 1: Let's start this show. Okay, So, Oscar, we have updates
Speaker 1: on the Long Island serial Killer.
Speaker 3: Yeah that uh Rex something rex hureman.
Speaker 1: I think this is our fourth episode on this fucking guy,
Speaker 1: and I don't think it's going to end anytime soon.
Speaker 3: We did too, what's the third one?
Speaker 1: There was an update?
Speaker 3: Oh we did another update?
Speaker 1: Uh huh, I remember that. Now this is another another update.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, Okay, I guess I forgot about the plane updates.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. So on December seventeenth, twenty twenty four, a
Speaker 1: superseding bail application revealed that Rex Hureman the ogre, has
Speaker 1: now been charged with a seventh count of murder Okay,
Speaker 1: this time in connection with the death of Valerie mack Now.
Speaker 1: The newly released court documents indicate that forensic evidence links
Speaker 1: Heureman directly to max murder. A pivotal piece of evidence,
Speaker 1: a strand of hair recovered near Max's dismembered wrist, was
Speaker 1: identified through mitochondrial and nuclear DNA testing as likely belonging
Speaker 1: to Hureerman's daughter Victoria, a piece of hair she shed
Speaker 1: when she was just three years old, establishing a chilling
Speaker 1: connection between the crime scene and human's immediate family. Further
Speaker 1: incriminating evidence includes a document discovered on human's laptop, ominously
Speaker 1: titled HK Planning Document. We covered this this find this
Speaker 1: document in horrifying detail in our last Long Island Update
Speaker 1: the Board Circular Update episode. This file, if you remember,
Speaker 1: outlines detailed methods of abduction, dismemberment, and body disposal with
Speaker 1: disturbingly specific parallels to Valerie max murder. References within the
Speaker 1: document point to known dump sites such as Mill Road,
Speaker 1: where Max's remains were found. Digital forensics also revealed that
Speaker 1: Human frequently visited websites related to Gilgo Beach investigations shortly
Speaker 1: before Max's identity was made public in twenty twenty. So
Speaker 1: he's looking up his crimes, he's relishing and.
Speaker 3: Religious either right, either for that or to like check
Speaker 3: up on the progress on. You know, he must be
Speaker 3: also a little worried about getting caught right before he
Speaker 3: gets caught.
Speaker 1: Well, now, something kind of strange happened at Human's arraignment
Speaker 1: for the murder of Valerie mac in court. When the
Speaker 1: judge asked if he was guilty of the crime for
Speaker 1: which he was being accused, people in the court room
Speaker 1: got to hear rex Huerman speak for the very first time.
Speaker 1: In response to the judge's question, rex Hureman proclaimed his innocence, stating,
Speaker 1: your honor, I'm not guilty of any of these charges.
Speaker 1: And this stunned many in the courtroom because his voice
Speaker 1: was described as nasally and high pitched, and you know
Speaker 1: you're on here, I'm not guilty of any of these charges.
Speaker 1: Kind of like that, nosly high pitched, which from someone
Speaker 1: as imposing and big as the ogre Heureman.
Speaker 3: So for people chortal or laugh or anything.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think there are more stunned. Okay,
Speaker 1: And his voice carried this notable sense of desperation, your honor.
Speaker 1: I didn't do any of this, you know, like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck? This isn't me? So, but no one knows
Speaker 1: why Rex chose this moment to finally speak about his innocence.
Speaker 1: Not even his lawyers knew he was going to do it.
Speaker 1: It just really shocked people to hear his voice and
Speaker 1: to hear him plead, and that the voice didn't match
Speaker 1: the frame.
Speaker 3: You know, but we saw no, wait, wait, hold on,
Speaker 3: hold on. We put a clip on the episode of
Speaker 3: him talking.
Speaker 1: In court, like this is the first time people heard
Speaker 1: his voice.
Speaker 3: No, no, I know, but it wasn't like this in
Speaker 3: that video.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember. I can't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't Groff mcgroth either. No, but like, it wasn't like,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm a wrestler, does bartending or whatever, but
Speaker 3: it was it, But it was It wasn't nasally or
Speaker 3: squeaky at all. Is he playing it up?
Speaker 1: Oh? I wonder Obviously there are.
Speaker 3: Years between the video and now, and I don't know
Speaker 3: what President's doing to him. I hope it does worse
Speaker 3: to him. But like, you know, I'm just saying it
Speaker 3: wasn't I wouldn't have described it the way people are
Speaker 3: describing his court thing. Yeah, No, that's yeah, that's a
Speaker 3: little something.
Speaker 1: Is he playing it up? Yeah, like trying to sound
Speaker 1: innocent or sound defense.
Speaker 3: I mean also in another sense, like if it's that's
Speaker 3: truly how he sounds like and and that's cool, I guess,
Speaker 3: But if that's truly him, maybe that can go into
Speaker 3: the psychology of why he's such a bastard, you know,
Speaker 3: like whatevers in securities are that could be a lot
Speaker 3: of the stem from Ed.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh maybe you know maybe, jeez, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm just I mean, that's that's like not even backseat psychology.
Speaker 3: That's like trunk psychology. But I'm throwing it up there.
Speaker 1: Hey, cheers to that.
Speaker 3: I'll take it, I think.
Speaker 1: And now we know more about Valerie max Life now
Speaker 1: as well. So you know, I always like to try
Speaker 1: and highlight who these women were as people rather than victims.
Speaker 1: And you know, unfortunately, Valerie's story is a story we've
Speaker 1: heard countless times in the Long Island serial killer case.
Speaker 1: Max Life, like many of the Long Island serial killers
Speaker 1: known victims was marked by hardship. You know, she was
Speaker 1: born Valerie Lynn Fulton on June second, nineteen seventy six,
Speaker 1: in Atlantic City, New Jersey, and she faced early adverse
Speaker 1: Conflicting reports suggest either both her parents died or she
Speaker 1: was forcibly removed from her home by Child Protective Services,
Speaker 1: leading to replacement in the foster system. And we know
Speaker 1: this is not a good place to be, probably in
Speaker 1: Atlantic City, New Jersey, I'm assuming in seventy six not
Speaker 1: a good place to be in their foster system.
Speaker 3: I mean, the best circumstances is still fucked up.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It seems like.
Speaker 1: She was adopted out, but then her first adoptive parents
Speaker 1: they died, and then she was adopted by the MAX.
Speaker 1: They tried to provide her with stability, but despite their efforts,
Speaker 1: Valerie struggled with the lasting impacts of her difficult upbringing
Speaker 1: that public system that she was put in. She was
Speaker 1: described by an adopted sister as great, smart, sweet, and troubled.
Speaker 1: Valerie became a mother to a son named Benjamin while
Speaker 1: she was just a senior in high school, and it
Speaker 1: must have been financial strain being a young mother like that.
Speaker 1: She turned to sex work in Philadelphia and in Atlantic City,
Speaker 1: a path that quickly led to drug addiction and several arrests.
Speaker 1: Valerie often worked under the alias Melissa Taylor. She was
Speaker 1: a street walker, meaning she was coming constantly face to
Speaker 1: face with the Johns, which is incredibly dangerous. She wasn't
Speaker 1: using the Internet like a lot of the gilg for were.
Speaker 1: She was out there on the streets face to face.
Speaker 1: She was last seen in June two thousand, shortly after
Speaker 1: a final arrest, and months later, on November nineteenth, two thousand,
Speaker 1: her dismembered torso, severed hands, and decapitated head were discovered
Speaker 1: wrapped in plastic bags and duct tape in the woods
Speaker 1: off of Mill Road, going back to the planning document
Speaker 1: in Manerville, New York. Eleven years later, in April twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: her skull, hands and right foot were found near Gilgo Beach,
Speaker 1: less than one and a half miles from where Jessica
Speaker 1: Taylor's remains were discovered. Now, Jessica Taylor, another victim in
Speaker 1: this grim story, shares an eerie connection with Valerie Mack. Together,
Speaker 1: they're referred they're referred to as the Manorville Two, The
Speaker 1: Manorville Too now Jessica she was if you remember. She
Speaker 1: was a twenty year old sex worker from Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: Who disappeared from New York City on July twenty first,
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. Her naked torso and severed arms
Speaker 1: severed below the elbows were found partially decomposed in a
Speaker 1: plastic sheet in Manerville's Pine Barrens near Halsey Manor Road,
Speaker 1: just a half mile from Valerie Mack's earlier discovered remains.
Speaker 1: Jessica's head and hands were missing, and a tattoo reading
Speaker 1: Remy's Angel had been crudely mutilated, like the kind of
Speaker 1: hinder identification. Talked about this in the other episodes. I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of trying to remind you here now. In
Speaker 1: April twenty eleven, Jessica's skull, hands, and forearm were found
Speaker 1: along Ocean Parkway near Gilgo Beach, again less than one
Speaker 1: and a half miles from where Valerie max remains were
Speaker 1: found that same month. Both victims exhibited signs of post
Speaker 1: mortem dismemberment using similar cutting tools, and forensic analysis linked
Speaker 1: plastic bags used to contain the remains, so the same
Speaker 1: type of bags were used to carry both women's remains.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds like er tite, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Pretty much. Yeah. And then forensic evidence tied a male
Speaker 1: hair found beneath Jessica's body to Rex Heremen through DNA analysis.
Speaker 1: You can see how this is all starting to come together.
Speaker 1: They're all being linked together and then being linked back
Speaker 1: to either Rex or to his family.
Speaker 3: So when you said it's not ending, yeas still ongoings.
Speaker 1: Still ongoing. Now, it's said that Valerie Mac had a
Speaker 1: tattoo of her son's name on her right foot or ankle,
Speaker 1: which was missing when her leg was found ampy time
Speaker 1: at mid Calf. Investigators believe this was another attempt by
Speaker 1: the killer to obstruct identification, a tactic consistent with notes
Speaker 1: found in Huerman's HK planning document that specifically references the
Speaker 1: removal of identifying marks such as tattoos. So it happened
Speaker 1: to Valerie Mac, and it happened to Jessica Taylor, and
Speaker 1: it also coincides with what he put in this planning document. Now,
Speaker 1: in Valerie Mac's foot was eventually discovered, it was too
Speaker 1: decomposed to reveal any tattoos. But again it's just another
Speaker 1: similarity to Jessica Taylor. This missing tattoo or the attempt
Speaker 1: to get rid of a tattoo. And I also think
Speaker 1: it's weird how Valerie Mac used when she was walking
Speaker 1: the streets she used the alias Melissa Taylor, only to
Speaker 1: have her disappearance and murders so closely tied to Jessica
Speaker 1: Taylor can spooky a little weird? Is it just me? No?
Speaker 3: I mean the alia thing is very common, I amagine
Speaker 3: there for a lot of sex workers, sure in general.
Speaker 1: But the choosing last name, Yeah, I know you're right.
Speaker 3: I mean, no, you're right. It is coincidence. It's weird
Speaker 3: little but also I guess sty'll see it though, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you can see it.
Speaker 1: The world's a strange placement. Now, the addition of Valerie
Speaker 1: Max's murder has significantly strengthened the case against human so
Speaker 1: to recap to date, Hueman is accused of murdering the
Speaker 1: Gilgo four that's Melissa Barthelemy Megan Waterman, Amber Costello and
Speaker 1: Maureen Brainerd Barnes. He's accused of murdering the Manorville two,
Speaker 1: Valerie Mac and Jessica Taylor. And he's accused of killing
Speaker 1: Sandra Cristilla, whose body was found in north Sea, Southampton,
Speaker 1: New York in nineteen ninety three by some hunters, a
Speaker 1: couple of hunters. A male hare found on a shirt
Speaker 1: near Castilla's body was linked to human their dnaalysis with
Speaker 1: the statistical certainty fucker beyond coincidence. Right. Valerie Mack has
Speaker 1: now been linked to Jessica Taylor. Both Valerie and Jessica
Speaker 1: have been connected to the gilgo for and Sandra Cristilla
Speaker 1: through DNA evidence, phone records, and that chilling HK planning
Speaker 1: document right and more. So again you can see how
Speaker 1: this case is just growing and growing. Not to mention,
Speaker 1: investigators are still sifting through those three hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: plus electronic devices, so who knows what they'll uncover next.
Speaker 3: Keep you updated on them, and they're probably still uncovering it,
Speaker 3: but releasing it is another matter.
Speaker 1: So waiting for building the case before they could bring
Speaker 1: in another chargees like we did with Valerie mac.
Speaker 3: Right, and then once they charge is when it becomes public.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. So that's kind of the updates on Rex
Speaker 1: Sierman and the Long Island serial killer. So the suspected
Speaker 1: Long Island serial killer. Now, I've been I kind of
Speaker 1: have some thoughts that I just kind of jotted down.
Speaker 1: I want to see what you think, and then I
Speaker 1: have kind of a a mind blower at the very end. Right,
Speaker 1: So these are just kind of general thoughts and some
Speaker 1: little tidbits here and there that I've picked up since
Speaker 1: the last time we've talked about this. So Rex Yeoman
Speaker 1: was an architect right running around New York City, familiar
Speaker 1: with all these ancient building codes and things, and he
Speaker 1: knew which buildings were empty, which foundations were being poured,
Speaker 1: when walls were going up or coming down. Empty buildings
Speaker 1: make ideal places to kill or hide. Right, if a
Speaker 1: foundation was scheduled to be poured this next day, could
Speaker 1: he dig a hole and then bury a body the
Speaker 1: night before, okay, sealing his his secrets and concrete forever.
Speaker 3: I would say that's a good idea, if we hadn't
Speaker 3: already been burying people and go go right or other.
Speaker 1: It could be another location. I mean, he was up
Speaker 1: in Manorville apparently in the woods.
Speaker 3: Why not all of them? Or is there just not
Speaker 3: enough right, there's like too many bots to cover the like,
Speaker 3: it's not enough buildings to hide these people.
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe he almost got caught and got scared.
Speaker 1: Who knows. I'm not saying this is what happened, but
Speaker 1: think about there could be bodies all over New York City.
Speaker 3: I mean in general, that's the thing that happens. Right,
Speaker 3: And you think of when the highways were being built.
Speaker 3: I remember what stretches or where exactly. I remember hearing
Speaker 3: this story. It sounds real. I don't know if it's real.
Speaker 3: Where workers would, you know, sometimes die and fall into
Speaker 3: the to the well.
Speaker 1: They say when like the Hoover Dam was being built.
Speaker 1: That happened bridges way back in the early nineteen hundred.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, like the point is that little giant concrete
Speaker 3: structures that hold. If he was in place, there's bodies
Speaker 3: in there.
Speaker 1: Man, just keep porn. If they fall in, just keep porn.
Speaker 1: You don't stop progress.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: Fucked up? Yeah, Now, this planning document, it revealed that
Speaker 1: Rex took it almost like he took pleasure in preparing
Speaker 1: for murder him. The planning stage could have been half
Speaker 1: the thrill. The act of killing could have just maybe
Speaker 1: been a small part of his overall satisfaction.
Speaker 3: Right it's play.
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh good, I like that. Yeah, his gratification could
Speaker 1: have came from the process, fantasizing, strategizing how to get
Speaker 1: away with it, and even maybe even shopping for the
Speaker 1: tools he needed. That's his foreplay.
Speaker 3: It's kind of gross, maybe, no, I mean the things
Speaker 3: I think about it, it's human nature. It's just that
Speaker 3: how he has as personified as what's gross?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we discussed in one of our last episodes. I
Speaker 1: forgot which one, but that Rex really you know, he
Speaker 1: pulled these horrible internet searches right, just disgusting pornography he
Speaker 1: was looking for, including children. But what happens when a
Speaker 1: man is fucked up as Rex apparently is supposedly is
Speaker 1: realizes that the pornies he craves doesn't exist, or worse,
Speaker 1: that simply viewing the images and videos online isn't enough? Right?
Speaker 1: Does he take the next horrifying step and created himself?
Speaker 1: Will authorities uncover photos and videos on those three hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty plus electronic devices, capturing racks acting out his
Speaker 1: darkest fantasies on his victims. Can you imagine what that
Speaker 1: looks like? God help whoever stumbles onto that shit show? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this was up. I heard this was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: That planning document apparently included a note section referencing specific
Speaker 1: page numbers from a book called Bind Hunter Mind or
Speaker 1: Bind Mind Hunter Mind, which was published in nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: five by John Douglas and Mark Ohlshaker. Now, Douglas is
Speaker 1: recognized as the FBI's first criminal profiler, and he developed
Speaker 1: the criminal personality profiling technique after he interviewed over a
Speaker 1: thousand serial killers. Right the show exactly his work heavily
Speaker 1: influenced the Netflix series Minehunter, with the character of special
Speaker 1: Agent holden Ford being based on this author. Right Now,
Speaker 1: the pages Human cited contained fucked up concepts, including sex substitution,
Speaker 1: which involves penetrating the body with foreign objects, and the
Speaker 1: idea that mutilation equals disorganized and the mutilation equals disorganized Now. Strangely,
Speaker 1: investigators didn't find a copy of Mind Hunter among the
Speaker 1: books recovered from his properties, whether it was his disgusting
Speaker 1: home or his office his storage sheds, they didn't find it.
Speaker 1: But online sleuths are the ones that figured out that
Speaker 1: the quotes and page numbers in his planning document precisely
Speaker 1: matched content from Minehunter book. So could a hidden copies
Speaker 1: still be buried somewhere within the horde The clutter of
Speaker 1: Human's Massapeko Park home.
Speaker 3: Right, they had some floorboard or something.
Speaker 1: Did Mindhunter influence his alleged crimes? Was it a blueprint
Speaker 1: for his methods?
Speaker 3: Either say maybe he's more like that or more of
Speaker 3: a way to understand, like know thy enemy kind of
Speaker 3: say you know kind of thing where like if you
Speaker 3: know the profiler that's going to be profiling you, kind
Speaker 3: of helps you give you a leg up maybe as
Speaker 3: to perfecting your process to keep it stealthy, keep it,
Speaker 3: keep it in a sense.
Speaker 1: K And it worked because I may worked for a
Speaker 1: long time. It was decades for decades. Yeah, act there
Speaker 1: for a long time. Think about the poor women in
Speaker 1: this story and the unidentified What did they see in
Speaker 1: their final moments? If Rex is the Long Island serial killer,
Speaker 1: his face, that fucking mug was the last image imprinted
Speaker 1: on their minds, That connection between predator and victim. So
Speaker 1: it's intimate, perhaps more so than any other relationship Rex
Speaker 1: had to his family, his friends, co workers. He's the
Speaker 1: man he chose to present a carefully crafted facade, right,
Speaker 1: But the women, his victims, they saw the real wrecks,
Speaker 1: stripped of pretense, devoid of humanity, consumed by darkness, evil,
Speaker 1: and lust. In those last moments, they alone witnessed his
Speaker 1: true monster self something else no one ever did. The
Speaker 1: mask comes off. That's what they saw as their last
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's fucking it's gross, it's terrifying. Nothing
Speaker 1: about him is attractive. You can't look at anything on
Speaker 1: his face and be like, yeah, that's attractive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean his face I think is made for radio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, or podcasting. Now, Human's lawyer Michael Brown,
Speaker 1: he is fully convinced that former and he said one
Speaker 1: hundred percent convinced that the former Suffolk County Police Chief
Speaker 1: James Burke. Remember this jerk off.
Speaker 3: I remember the jerkoff. Yes, he was a good suspect that.
Speaker 1: He was involved in these crimes. According to Human's lawyer,
Speaker 1: certainty Burke was involved in these crimes. Brown points to
Speaker 1: blatant roadblocks Burke created during the investigation. Go back and
Speaker 1: listen to the other episode to hear about these roadblocks.
Speaker 1: Those roadblocks, he says, are strong evidence that others may
Speaker 1: have been involved in these crimes. This raises the possibility
Speaker 1: that Hueman could avoid conviction if prosecutors can't definitively prove
Speaker 1: beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's responsible for
Speaker 1: all the victims. Any skilled defense attorney could argue that,
Speaker 1: due to police obstruction and mishandling, the involvement of others
Speaker 1: can't be ruled out, creating enough reason reasonable doubt for
Speaker 1: human to walk free. Imagine that day, Because you know,
Speaker 1: what has to be jury of twelve reasonable they all
Speaker 1: have to agree beyond a reasonable doubt he's guilty.
Speaker 3: Make sure he's guilty of one. I mean, you know
Speaker 3: you need one, I guess, but it would be nice
Speaker 3: to get the full credit. Yeah, well, just for history too.
Speaker 3: You know, we gonna understand, like what happened to these women.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, for their for their memory, for their family. Right.
Speaker 1: But imagine if he could walk because of something burke
Speaker 1: did you know?
Speaker 3: That's No, that's not good. That's terrible that I would.
Speaker 1: Be ten years ago when the investigate shared something like that.
Speaker 3: What's the point of all this scientific you know, getting
Speaker 3: I'm gett annoyed.
Speaker 1: It's making me want to keep drinking. I'm smelling my
Speaker 1: yeah vanilla and taking a sip of my whiskey as
Speaker 1: I'm going through this.
Speaker 3: You know you can't take that with you to the bar.
Speaker 1: I know, I'll bring I'll bring my little nosing kid
Speaker 1: to the bar, right like, look at this dork, fucking
Speaker 1: nerd now. In June twenty twenty four, the Pasonic River
Speaker 1: Sportsman Club in Manerville, Long Island, provided key evidence in
Speaker 1: the Long Island serial killer murder investigation. Records and photos
Speaker 1: place Rex Hureman near the areas where victim's remains were
Speaker 1: found in Manorville. Rex attended a shooting event on July twentieth,
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, a day before Jessica Taylor disappeared.
Speaker 1: Her torso was found nearby on July twenty sixth. Although
Speaker 1: not a club member, Hueman participated in public rifle events
Speaker 1: and volunteered there as a safety coach. How ironic a
Speaker 1: safety coach really, Club records from two thousand and six.
Speaker 1: In twenty ten helped police link them to locations tied
Speaker 1: to the Manorville two murders, the club being just three
Speaker 1: miles from crime scenes. So what they're thinking is that
Speaker 1: as Rex was traveling to and from this sick sportsman's club,
Speaker 1: he was kind of personic, excuse me, sportsman's club. He
Speaker 1: was looking around and being like, oh, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: that's a good dump site and then he would dumb.
Speaker 1: You know, that's what That's what they're thinking. Interesting. M
Speaker 1: all right. So, like I said, I saved the most
Speaker 1: shocking part for last. Okay, now trust me, this is wild.
Speaker 1: And you want to check the show notes because I've
Speaker 1: included photos related to this last part. It's about Victoria Huorman,
Speaker 1: his daughter, and questions surrounding her possible knowledge of, or
Speaker 1: even involvement in her father's alleged crimes.
Speaker 3: How old is she today?
Speaker 1: Uh, she's maybe young thirties, maybe like you thirties. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: clearly that's what I mean. So did Rex did his
Speaker 1: daughter know what he was doing doing? Could she have
Speaker 1: played a role? Okay, and this isn't it wouldn't be unprecedented.
Speaker 1: If you guys are familiar with the toy box killer
Speaker 1: David Parker Ray, his daughter is believed to have helped
Speaker 1: lure some of his supposed forty plus victims. So this
Speaker 1: has happened in you father daughter, things happened in the past. Now,
Speaker 1: to be clear, the girl Daddy's girl, right, Victoria Hureman
Speaker 1: hasn't been charged with anything, nor has she even been
Speaker 1: named a suspect. This is purely speculating speculation. Now we
Speaker 1: already know her hair was found on multiple victims, including
Speaker 1: Valerie Mack, which many a tribute to secondary transfer via
Speaker 1: rex Right. But new information suggests that she may not
Speaker 1: be as innocent as she portrays. Attorney John Ray, representing
Speaker 1: families of the Long Island serial killer victims, claimed Victoria created, viewed,
Speaker 1: and shared disturbing, sadistic work online, some eerily resembling details
Speaker 1: from her father's alleged crimes. These images were posted on
Speaker 1: her now deleted Tumblr and deviant art accounts. Now John
Speaker 1: Ray made a huge pressed spectacle of these images and
Speaker 1: it was pretty clownish, actually, like it was. You would
Speaker 1: have to see it to understand what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: he made a spectacle out of this, holding up these
Speaker 1: huge reprints of stuff she either painted or found out
Speaker 1: or posted online shared online so as an example, in
Speaker 1: one of her Tumbler posts from December twelfth, twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: Victoria Hueman shared an oil painting of a naked woman
Speaker 1: with bloody bite marks on her torso. Alongside this monstrous
Speaker 1: figure with bloodshot eyes and huge fanged teeth, another image
Speaker 1: depicts a nude, deceased woman impaled by antlers. From deer
Speaker 1: in a marsh, so deer antler's woman's impaled on top
Speaker 1: of the antler's facing up towards the sky, and she's
Speaker 1: in a marsh, chillingly similar to where Shannon Gilbert's body
Speaker 1: was found in a marsh?
Speaker 3: Okay, right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Is this a stretch? I don't know, but this is
Speaker 1: what the lawyer is claiming. John Ray is claiming, right,
Speaker 1: and that's probably how he's doing it. Another image Victoria
Speaker 1: shared online shows four people hanging by their necks in
Speaker 1: a dark corridor, with one body missing a shoe, supposedly
Speaker 1: just like Sandra Costia was found. She was missing a shoe, right,
Speaker 1: supposedly right. Victoria posted a painting of a blood smeared
Speaker 1: basement and investigators believe Rex may have killed in his basement.
Speaker 1: So was this scene?
Speaker 3: We did say that it might be a possibility.
Speaker 1: Now now it's almost certain. They believe it's almost certain
Speaker 1: he killed in his home. Right, But what they're what
Speaker 1: John Ray is saying this painting of it's like a
Speaker 1: blood smeared basement, blood smears on the wall, bloody handprints,
Speaker 1: you can see, like a cement ground, kind of bloodied up.
Speaker 1: The lawyer's thinking, was this something Victoria actually seen? Maybe
Speaker 1: and choose a kid?
Speaker 3: Hmm?
Speaker 1: Okay. She shared a photo of a blood drenched hospital
Speaker 1: bed in this decrepit hospital room with the caption that read,
Speaker 1: the inside of my brain looks like this. What swear
Speaker 1: to god? Dude, it's crazy. Another disturbing image depicts a
Speaker 1: mutilated bound woman hanging in a dim basement with a
Speaker 1: killer holding a knife. And the killer has a haircut
Speaker 1: that's almost identical to rex'es that we see in the picture.
Speaker 1: The woman is missing a leg. Think of Victoria Mac
Speaker 1: thinka Jessica Taylor, and her chest is cut open to
Speaker 1: reveal her ribs. Wow. She shared artwork of two desiccated
Speaker 1: corpses embracing and another of a red haired woman being
Speaker 1: skinned with nails rammed into her breast and leg, with
Speaker 1: petite female hands holding this victim's face and a burly
Speaker 1: male gripping the victim's hair from behind. So is that
Speaker 1: Victoria holding the girl's face and a burly father from
Speaker 1: behind holding the girl's red hair from behind while she's
Speaker 1: being tortured?
Speaker 3: All of these there's more there is, okay.
Speaker 1: In another post that she shared shows surgical tools labeled
Speaker 1: as sex toys. It literally says these are sex toys
Speaker 1: and it's nothing but surgical tools. And another picture, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if she painted this one or this
Speaker 1: is something she shared. It wasn't clear, but another picture
Speaker 1: portrays ritualistic cannibalism, featuring a completely destroyed woman whose entrails
Speaker 1: have been laid out in plates and her blood in chalices.
Speaker 1: So it's incredibly disturbing, no doubt. But does it mean anything.
Speaker 1: It's hard to say, right.
Speaker 3: It seems a little too much because like one or two, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, okay, but more than you know, like there's
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 1: She put up a lot, dude.
Speaker 3: I also don't know what it was like being raised
Speaker 3: with this guy, right, I don't know what that's like.
Speaker 3: I don't know what how warped she might be. We
Speaker 3: never really talked about her to me. She was always
Speaker 3: a victim, another victim. I think we even mentioned that
Speaker 3: in the in the first two episodes. She was always
Speaker 3: a victim in a sense, like she's just a product
Speaker 3: of this maniac like upbringing kind of thing. But we
Speaker 3: didn't ask a question like what she was, like what
Speaker 3: kind of woman she became?
Speaker 1: We don't know. No one knows. She's never made a
Speaker 1: public statement. You've only seen her kind of on the street,
Speaker 1: dark sunglasses, horribly dressed, like people were saying online.
Speaker 3: Horribly like like not like trying not to not get
Speaker 3: your attension or.
Speaker 1: Well, people were saying online like the only crime she
Speaker 1: committed is her fashion sense, you know, things like that.
Speaker 1: They made it. Well, so cannibalism, right, this woman is destroyed,
Speaker 1: trails on a plate, blood and cups. So it's to disturbing,
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything. I mean, I have a ton of
Speaker 1: horror shit in my office, right, I'm not a fucking
Speaker 1: statistic killer. But so I'm just saying she's guilty of anything.
Speaker 1: The lawyer pretty much is. But you know her online.
Speaker 3: I mean he's a try whatever you can to get
Speaker 3: him out. That's his job, right, So.
Speaker 1: Her online activity does raise dark questions though, you know,
Speaker 1: was she expressing trauma from growing up around the most
Speaker 1: extreme violence imaginable? Was she desensitized or worse fascinated by it?
Speaker 1: And here's something else to consider. In her Long Island
Speaker 1: Serial Killer Victims episode, we mentioned a painting of a
Speaker 1: battered woman found in Rex's home. To remember this, No,
Speaker 1: I do not investigators are pulling out this big kind
Speaker 1: of oil painting, and it was of a woman with
Speaker 1: like bruised face, and there's a picture of it in
Speaker 1: the show notes of that episode. Now people are saying,
Speaker 1: was that something Victoria actually painted herself? Right?
Speaker 3: And why not?
Speaker 1: Why would she have painted that right? They also make
Speaker 1: a big deal of this lawyer was making a big
Speaker 1: deal because there's a picture of her walking down the
Speaker 1: street and she's got a skeleton on her shirt. He's like, see,
Speaker 1: come on, fuck off. But these pictures though, the paintings, right,
Speaker 1: surgical tools, these are sex toys? What not normal?
Speaker 3: That's that's one of the big ones, because not big ones,
Speaker 3: but like one of those. Okay, that's I want to
Speaker 3: question a bit more. I make you want to look
Speaker 3: into it more because it does seem more than just
Speaker 3: like a like a weird morbid fashion sense. It's it's
Speaker 3: a little more. But maybe maybe, But I do kind
Speaker 3: of think at most though she's not exactly a killer
Speaker 3: as well, but I can see like an upbringing where
Speaker 3: she's a child and doesn't understand what she might see
Speaker 3: one night when she wakes up or when dad's home
Speaker 3: or thinks that they're not home, you know, one of
Speaker 3: the things they could happen. I mean, this guy was
Speaker 3: this guy had an impulse that destroyed his life and others.
Speaker 3: So why not the daughter I have seen but not
Speaker 3: understood something one night and traumatized her. Who can say.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that she is a helper or a
Speaker 3: secondary murderer, but also that could be a thing that's
Speaker 3: happened in the past. That's not uncommon. I mean it's
Speaker 3: not common, but it's not unheard of. Not unheard of. Yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe that what do you think do you think that's uh,
Speaker 3: she's it's.
Speaker 1: So juicy to think that the daughter was involved. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, this is a family affair, you know, and.
Speaker 3: Right, and that's cause you might as well throw the
Speaker 3: mother on there too.
Speaker 1: Well, some people do. Some people certainly do, or at
Speaker 1: least being one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: And they like swing parties.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh yeah, that was well, yeah, they're having a
Speaker 1: swinger party where one of the prostitutes wound up being
Speaker 1: murdered killed. So people say that she was involved too.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 1: his daughter was involved. I think she could have possibly
Speaker 1: seen something. Yeah, I'm thinking in the basement that's mo
Speaker 1: way more likely for me. Maybe she did see a
Speaker 1: woman hanging and being cut up.
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, that makes it makes the sense
Speaker 3: with the art anyway, but.
Speaker 1: It makes sense with the art. Yeah, but again, you know,
Speaker 1: I have a ton of fucking weird shit in my
Speaker 1: office too, and it doesn't make me a killer.
Speaker 3: So and you've seen a lot of people hang too.
Speaker 1: It's kind where I come back on Tuesday. So that's
Speaker 1: kind of that's what I have. Those are the updates
Speaker 1: kind of some of my thoughts.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything else.
Speaker 3: I'm no, but I do have a related but a
Speaker 3: totally different thing question that reminded me of this. I
Speaker 3: wonder if there's any kind of update at all whatsoever
Speaker 3: about the Chicago fifty one.
Speaker 1: Mmm. Wow, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: So I was watching I was on TikTok right recently.
Speaker 3: This was like a week ago, and well, one guy
Speaker 3: came up. I don't know if it was a podcast
Speaker 3: taking out of context or whatever I was, and it
Speaker 3: wasn't a news clipping or just somebody making a TikTok
Speaker 3: about the five unresolved serial killers still.
Speaker 1: In the Chicago.
Speaker 3: In Chicago fifty one was like number five I think
Speaker 3: for that so like I and they reminded me of like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: we haven't thought an update. We only have that one
Speaker 3: suspect from that one murder. That could be the murder
Speaker 3: of all of them. I wonder that if he is
Speaker 3: in prison, has there been more murderers?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't even remember, I mean forgot listeners
Speaker 1: back to it. It was a great episode.
Speaker 3: It was yeah, it was good.
Speaker 1: Uh, I don't remember the episode. It was called the
Speaker 1: Chicago fifty one. I remember someone actually wrote after listening
Speaker 1: to the episode and said that they lived in one
Speaker 1: of They lived in the neighborhood when those things were
Speaker 1: going on, and he's like, you guys did a good
Speaker 1: job covering that. He's like, I remember this vividly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was pretty sure.
Speaker 3: I remember that feedback.
Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, I don't know, I haven't heard anything. I
Speaker 1: haven't really thought about it. Unfortunately, since we did the episode.
Speaker 3: Well because we're talking about serial killer. Sorry, just reminded me.
Speaker 1: Now that would be good to look into to see
Speaker 1: if there have been in developments.
Speaker 3: Cool, Yeah, it might be fun to see if there
Speaker 3: is something.
Speaker 1: Unknown serial killer haunting the streets of Chicago and that
Speaker 1: the cops weren't doing anything because he was killing black
Speaker 1: prostitutes and all these things. Fucking crazy story. Yeah, well, good,
Speaker 1: very good man. I guess uh. I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: go drinking now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go drinking, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Oscar, take us home. Rubber Baby buggy bumpers, rubber
Speaker 1: Baby buggy bumpers. Do I sound okay? You know what
Speaker 1: we gotta watch? We have the intro song. You gotta
Speaker 1: really hit the valume on that sucker, and if we
Speaker 1: take my card tonight, I'll show you exactly what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's it comes out muffled. I don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: and then our voices kick in and it's loud and clear.
Speaker 1: And you know, right when when we first started using it,
Speaker 1: I know, remember I asked you, I'm like, bro, there's
Speaker 1: something and then you punched up the volume and it
Speaker 1: was good. I said into too, my friend who made it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, is everything okay with this file? Is
Speaker 1: there anything you need to do?
Speaker 3: Maybe I just did get that's that, I guess because
Speaker 3: I've been doing the same thing I did with all
Speaker 3: the other musical stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it just needs to be punched up.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I think I just keep forgetting because.
Speaker 1: It's a dope intro. But it's like, why is it?
Speaker 1: It's muffled and it's.
Speaker 3: I listened to that episode, but I wasn't didn't. I wasn't.
Speaker 3: I guess I wasn't paying attention. Didn't. I didn't even notice.
Speaker 1: It to that to the intro. We'll just something to
Speaker 1: keep in mind.
Speaker 3: Say this though, I'm on my fourth audiobook since I
Speaker 3: started uber reading.
Speaker 1: That would be cool too.
Speaker 3: I'm fucking going through I did say spot in four days?
Speaker 1: Did you really?
Speaker 3: My first time?
Speaker 1: Man? Alright, wait, let me see what do I have?
Speaker 3: Pretty cool?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would. That's all I would be doing is
Speaker 1: listening to podcasts and audiobooks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm listening to the Silo books now. I just
Speaker 3: started those Silo. Yeah, the show Silo on Apple TV.
Speaker 3: Plus I don't know, it's sci fi. It's really good,
Speaker 3: really good. Another Apocko box, but I love it. But
Speaker 3: it's based on these three books that are I guess popular.
Speaker 3: I never so they just went through season two. So
Speaker 3: I want to read the books.
Speaker 1: Nice. I just wanted to read you my sorry, So
Speaker 1: we got and I gotta listen to the Man in
Speaker 1: the Black Suit, Stephen King, The Voice of the Night.
Speaker 1: It's a short story, The Big Dark Sky, Dean Koon's
Speaker 1: I the Dragons, Stephen King, Bizarre Bad Dreams Stephen King
Speaker 1: from a Buick eight Stephen King, Thirteen Past Midnight Stephen King.
Speaker 3: So you may mean he's lately.
Speaker 1: No, oh no, these are just in my audible. I
Speaker 1: got them a long time ago. And oh I forgot
Speaker 1: I say, Arkham County something Batman, Flight or Fright, Stephen
Speaker 1: King and Bev Fincent, The Long Walk. Stephen King makes
Speaker 1: something up by Chuck Palinook, which is I guess it's
Speaker 1: a new book. Fire and Blood, Halloween like the Hallowe
Speaker 1: like a novelization Adjustment Day, Chuck Palanuk, Origin, Dan Brown,
Speaker 1: Scarlet Gospels, Clive Barker, The Invention of Sounds. See, I've
Speaker 1: read a lot of these, but not the twisted ones.
Speaker 1: I haven't read Dreams Come to Life Five Nights at Freddy's.
Speaker 1: We download that for Nico. Five Nights The Fourth Closet.
Speaker 1: I don't know when I got that one, but yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's in my audible library right now.
Speaker 3: In case you wanted to know, I'm afraid to show
Speaker 3: you mine. It's a lot. I have a lot in here.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll just maybe I'll just hit you with not
Speaker 3: started books. I haven't started yet. I've been Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I want to remead Wicked because.
Speaker 1: Of the movie. Yeah, have you seen it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I did see the movie.
Speaker 1: Was it great? Have liked it? Yeah? I want to
Speaker 1: see it.
Speaker 3: And it's very everything musical go ahead. Oh then yeah,
Speaker 3: that's very very good, very true to that.
Speaker 1: I guess Katie took me actually way back.
Speaker 3: There's absolutely no surprise to it.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 3: If you've seen the musical, you know what happen.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been years, it's literally probably fucking yeah.
Speaker 3: And that's why I said too, that's why I haven't
Speaker 3: read the book since that time period. Also, I'm i go,
Speaker 3: I want to reread it. I got oh, I got
Speaker 3: the the Philip Pullman series his Dark Materials. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: I got those. I got already mentioned the style of books.
Speaker 3: I have a boot book book called Nuclear War A
Speaker 3: Little Life. I have the complete Poppy War trilogy, which
Speaker 3: I heard good things. I have a bunch of Chuck
Speaker 3: Palinook David Mitchell books of a History Book. Christmas Eve
Speaker 3: nineteen fourteen about the First World War, Georgia Owell's things.
Speaker 3: What's what's an? Okay?
Speaker 2: One?
Speaker 3: Here? Then nothing? Man, I don't know what that is
Speaker 3: in magica, oh, Cly Barker. Yeah, I never read that neither.
Speaker 3: I have the Yeah Annihilation books in the movie.
Speaker 1: I just read the first one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very cold perspective, very clinical.
Speaker 1: It was good. I like the book.
Speaker 3: I read the first one a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: But this part is actually a trilogy, and I have
Speaker 3: the authority and acceptance. I think they're called uh infinite
Speaker 3: just on killing another history book. A bunch of thrillers done,
Speaker 3: and I don't know all I should read. Doing a
Speaker 3: bunch of sci fi. Ring World. I never read ring World,
Speaker 3: but I have the first one here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Of mixed bags, a lot of mixed No, it's cool,
Speaker 1: a lot of them. Yeah, that's what i'd been doing. Man,
Speaker 1: I'd been listening to podcasts and audiobooks all night.
Speaker 3: It's basically I do.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Yeah, all right, do you want to start?
Speaker 1: You don't get into it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Are you warmed up?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I'm good. I want to go to the bar.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, it's funny we don't ever hurry,
Speaker 3: like for sleep or for our health or well being
Speaker 3: to back.
Speaker 1: To the bar.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, all right, ready for count.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait you sure? Writer one hundred and sixty fourth episode.
Speaker 1: This actually bought in Kentucky and this chicken I remember
Speaker 1: now that the chicken cock brand goes back way long
Speaker 1: time ago. This was really popular in the like speakeasies
Speaker 1: during Prohibition. The Cotton Club would have chicken cock, although
Speaker 1: it was smuggled in like these tin cans, so they
Speaker 1: called it like the tin can whiskey. This brand goes
Speaker 1: back fucking forever, you know. So it's a cool story
Speaker 1: behind it, you know.
Speaker 3: When it was made in bath.
Speaker 1: Tubs and should pretty much. Okay, So I read.
Speaker 3: This, Uh, I read this. This is unrelated, but it
Speaker 3: reminds you of the old days. This isn't movie called
Speaker 3: I think it's called I think It's White Christmas the original?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you remember the scene at the end. I mean
Speaker 3: there's many scenes, but the one particularly scene at the
Speaker 3: end where it's like snowing and everyone's dancing in the
Speaker 3: snowng shed and having fun. Yeah, apparently I found out
Speaker 3: that it's uh, first of all, all the snow, and
Speaker 3: that movie's fake because they're in la you know, it's
Speaker 3: not like that real snow. Secondly, that's asbestos.
Speaker 1: Oh so they're all fucking lung cancer. Now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a scene where one of the characters like
Speaker 3: literally takes a bunch of snow into her face and
Speaker 3: it's enjoying it, like and that fucked up.
Speaker 1: People are so stupid back then.
Speaker 3: No, we're stupid now, but we know about as best
Speaker 3: as least.
Speaker 1: That happened around here a couple of years ago. They
Speaker 1: were not the asbestos. They were filming a movie and
Speaker 1: it was cold. There was no snow on the ground
Speaker 1: anymore though, like snow had already melted. But there was
Speaker 1: one house here that they just doused in fake snow
Speaker 1: and they filmed something. We never did find out what
Speaker 1: it was, but it was a lock or two behind
Speaker 1: me they make It was right here.
Speaker 3: In if it was a Christmas movie. There's so many that.
Speaker 3: I mean, they make like thirty new Christmas movies a
Speaker 3: year at least. It's just that twenty nine of them
Speaker 3: are terrible, right, People are forgettable, and they are fucking
Speaker 3: terrible and forgettable. Oh yeah, let me try this a
Speaker 3: weird candy thing before I forget.
Speaker 1: He's got some weird Japanese drinks coming to.
Speaker 3: Those I'm a little more familiar with. I also like
Speaker 3: I've had a lot more of the Japanese nips chips.
Speaker 3: They have unique flavors of chips, like shrimp. Oh, it's
Speaker 3: actually not bad. Dog, it's actually not bad. But they
Speaker 3: have way more seafood in their thing than we do.
Speaker 1: So is it a cookie? What is it? Who more? Really?
Speaker 1: It's cool, Yes, thank you.
Speaker 3: Wow, it's harder and softer than I thought it would be.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's in the middle.
Speaker 2: What is this?
Speaker 1: H I don't know what that is.
Speaker 3: They like this bean paste a lot with the sweets.
Speaker 3: That's a big thing for them. I don't like it personally, but.
Speaker 1: I know it's talking about get those at the sushi places,
Speaker 1: those bean little bean ball patty thing.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, like about this. Maybe that's what's in here.
Speaker 1: You can't it's not like you read the label.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no idea what it says. I can read the numbers. Oh,
Speaker 3: there's a website. I'm yeah. Your son is becoming really
Speaker 3: involved into the Japanese culture.
Speaker 1: He really is.
Speaker 3: That happens a lot when people that are into anime
Speaker 3: y Yeah he really I had that face too. Where
Speaker 3: like back during the Naruto and Prince of Tenna's days,
Speaker 3: they used to watch ships on of anime like NonStop, right,
Speaker 3: and like it got me into manga, got me into
Speaker 3: you know, Japanese chips and the candies and the drinks.
Speaker 3: They went to Mitsuwa, I went to h to see yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then from there you trying to, you know, find
Speaker 3: Japanese chicks to hit on. It's just natural and man
Speaker 3: that they do not like foreigners are my experience whites
Speaker 3: or no not non Japanese, my white bitch. True also
Speaker 3: also realized also that's another thing anime and especially anime.
Speaker 3: It's huge in like South Little Border huge, really huge
Speaker 3: in Mexico, Watemala, all those places, Argentina. Yeah, huge, Like
Speaker 3: it's bigger than you think it is because a lot
Speaker 3: a lot of us grew up on anime that was
Speaker 3: translated or dubbed in Spanish. I did I watched dragon
Speaker 3: Ball in Spanish? I never saw it in English.
Speaker 1: Well I remember dragon Ball that was huge for a while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was do you want to continue? So we could
Speaker 1: go out and drink?
Speaker 3: I like, how you like, can we continue to go
Speaker 3: out and drink?
Speaker 1: Now? I'm excited. We never do this.
Speaker 3: You're right. You know what, when was the last time
Speaker 3: we went out for a drink?
Speaker 1: I can remember Vegas. I don't know.
Speaker 3: And yeah, no, I mean we didn't go out anywhere
Speaker 3: in Ohio to Yeah we did.
Speaker 1: It was Ohio after Vegas, pretty sure it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did, for sure, a couple of places. No, is
Speaker 1: that that? Or am I smelling that? I don't know,
Speaker 1: strawberry smelling strawberry.
Speaker 3: No, it's a Caribbean punch. I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1: Korean punch, Kribbean Caribbean punch that ship, You are right.
Speaker 3: Koreban punch. Yeah, yeah, no, I just caught me off guard. No,
Speaker 3: not Korean.
Speaker 1: I like chicken cock.