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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to my world, bitch.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, good.

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<v Speaker 3>Here.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the one hundred and sixty fourth episode of

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<v Speaker 1>the Supernatural Occurrent Studies.

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<v Speaker 3>Podcast So Tangrically Paranormal.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was Jason Knight, host of the show and

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<v Speaker 1>with me as always is Oscar Spector, producer, extraordinary and

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<v Speaker 1>podcast co host. Isn't tantrically like sexually?

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<v Speaker 3>It is? Yeah, especially with what we're doing after the

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<v Speaker 3>show tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Just stop it. Ask her what has been going on

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<v Speaker 1>with you, my friend?

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing much, been doing them driving stuff, a lot of stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>driving stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You know who is driving stuff?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm I'm a food delivery driver, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>As they say, I don't know if we talked about that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing a lot of a lot of traveling around

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<v Speaker 3>the Chicago area, going.

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<v Speaker 1>Far, anything interesting happening out.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of rich places. I'll tell you that rich place.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of places that I did not know existed.

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<v Speaker 3>There is one neighborhood I went to, don't even ask

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<v Speaker 3>me where, somewhere Northfield, I remember, and it was a

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<v Speaker 3>gated thing with a security guard, which I've seen in

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<v Speaker 3>movies of course, but never actually been to one. And

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<v Speaker 3>I had to like get double security and the guy

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<v Speaker 3>like I had to give them information like a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of times to let me in. And even going in,

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<v Speaker 3>it was like a whole neighborhood of houses big and small,

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<v Speaker 3>like they were completely guarded right all the way. It

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<v Speaker 3>was hard to it was easy to mess too. It

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<v Speaker 3>was like surrounded by woods in super darkness. They don't

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<v Speaker 3>have a lot of light around there. Wow, I almost

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<v Speaker 3>missed it to turn again. It was insane. This is

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<v Speaker 3>Chicago and Northfield. I don't know. That's like, wow, ten

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<v Speaker 3>miles don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've never been into a dating community.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I mean not like that, not not secured like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I see, you know, because a lot of them are

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<v Speaker 3>just opened, you know, just squawking and right. But this

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<v Speaker 3>almost keep the they do keep the rift rap out.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean think that was cool out of the security.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh been to Mansions. There is one apartment complex in

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<v Speaker 3>Evanston that I went to that looks like a regular

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<v Speaker 3>you know, nonchalant building inside, super looking, fancy looking. I

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<v Speaker 3>needed a code for the elevator, specifically for the floor

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<v Speaker 3>that I was delivering the thing, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I've never seen that before. Usually it's like a hotel

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<v Speaker 3>that's like a CIA thing. Hotels like yeah, yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 3>been too fancy about that. Been to the Ritz in

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<v Speaker 3>downtown Nice and their lobbies on the fourteenth floor for

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<v Speaker 3>some reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's remember something about that.

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<v Speaker 3>I had to go there after getting like waved by

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<v Speaker 3>the camera, which is on the first floor of the

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<v Speaker 3>ground floor. Nothing nobody there, nobody there at all. I

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<v Speaker 3>had to go up to the fourteenth floor, and even

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<v Speaker 3>then I had to wait for someone that can go

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<v Speaker 3>up myself to the actual It's crazy a not crazy

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<v Speaker 3>things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>How about like, you know, I've seen adult films with

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<v Speaker 1>food delivery drivers come to the door deliver a pizza.

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<v Speaker 1>Next thing, you know, does this happen while you're out there?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna tell you might now to you if it

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<v Speaker 3>ever happens to me, And I'll text you in real time.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's that's where my mind goes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. No, but what I'll text you in real time

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<v Speaker 3>is not what you expect. I won't be a screenshot.

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<v Speaker 3>It'll be me giving you my GPS coordinates. And kids

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<v Speaker 3>I get kidnapped or murdered or my kid and it

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<v Speaker 3>gets stolen and.

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<v Speaker 1>We have stories about that too. Almost Gus murdered out.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my bigger worry if that kind of thing even

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<v Speaker 3>remotely happens, starts happening, because I'm like, I'm trust this, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>why would I trust this to go to be true?

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<v Speaker 3>It's a reason why people say that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would probably be a little a little reluctant

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<v Speaker 1>as well.

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<v Speaker 3>And some people, man, some people are in states of

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<v Speaker 3>undressed when they open the door.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, dude, I bundle up. I put my

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<v Speaker 1>little beanie on my hat. I got both men and

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<v Speaker 1>women put my hoodie on, saying like anybody really yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not like on dress like they're naked, no, but like

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<v Speaker 1>they're really and it's like they just got up too,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like they're under less jammies or less towel once

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<v Speaker 3>you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, people got balls, man, not me. I put on

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<v Speaker 1>kevlar when I open the door. Yeah, keV, I yelled

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<v Speaker 1>to the door. Just leave it on the step. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to see nobody.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just expensive man. Kevlar.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm sure that's what I opened the door in.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't believe it. But that's it about you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, not much We've been going on, just working,

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<v Speaker 1>just working. It was kind of a been a boring

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks. I do have a couple of stories though,

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<v Speaker 1>a little updates.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, we do.

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<v Speaker 1>Well one this first little story, it's not an update.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just something kind of cool that happened in the

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago Land area. Oh yes, this happened on January twenty eighth. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>towards the western suburbs of Chicago, like Rodsworth, Illinois. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of where this report's coming from, Yorkville.

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<v Speaker 3>I am not from Illinois.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's western suburbs. But at night on this

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<v Speaker 1>on the twenty eighth, January twenty twenty five, of course, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>these fireballs started were streaking across the sky over western

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<v Speaker 1>suburban Chicago, and it wasn't meteors that meteors. They already said,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not.

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<v Speaker 3>Meters, most likely some sort of debris.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they're thinking is space debris. Nor Ed hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>come out and made any comments about.

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<v Speaker 3>It, which is fairly common. I mean, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of junk that we put in our orbit exactly, and

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<v Speaker 3>they do constantly fall, whether or not they always make

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<v Speaker 3>they don't always make streaks like this in the sky.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the thing. That's what's different maybe with this one,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's not that big long streaks long. It was

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<v Speaker 3>kind of big chunks, maybe bigger than usual.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it looked like when the was the Transformers

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<v Speaker 1>when they were coming down the Decepticons, Right, that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of what it looked like, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yea, it's Michael Bay and real life are basically the

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<v Speaker 3>same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's it probably like you're saying, is space junk.

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<v Speaker 1>But that kind of brings up the whole conversation of

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck are we doing to our orbit up there? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's dangerous now if there was a passenger

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<v Speaker 1>plane in the path of those things.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, okay, that's what you're worried about.

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<v Speaker 1>Destruction. Yeah, yeah, this stuff is going to eventually start

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<v Speaker 1>falling out of the sky.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean it has been since the sixties, right,

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<v Speaker 3>since we've been putting stuff up there. Yeah, it's been falling.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean a lot of things get once they once

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<v Speaker 3>their experiment is done, they don't bring it down. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>it's gonna cost way too much to bring it down there,

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<v Speaker 3>just a wait for it to get knocked a little

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<v Speaker 3>off course enough to bounce onto our armisphere right or

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<v Speaker 3>bounce away right. Sometimes it bounces away, I guess sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not good with the physics. But it makes sense

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<v Speaker 3>that that's what it could be. Whether or not it's

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<v Speaker 3>unorthodox that it's so large, which maybe and that's weird,

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<v Speaker 3>or whether or not. I mean, I would like a

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<v Speaker 3>confirmation from like no Rieta Nassa or something to tell

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<v Speaker 3>us like, hey, it's nothing that bizarre. It's bigger than usual.

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<v Speaker 3>It looks weird, right, and what else coun it be?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>It can't be something?

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows?

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<v Speaker 3>How can they look like I mean, looking like that,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. It does seem like it was falling.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it looked like it was. I think it's space junk. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's now. We're recording this on February seventh. So

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<v Speaker 1>to date, Nora ed, no one has come out and

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<v Speaker 1>really said what that was. But meteorologists, like local meteorologists,

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<v Speaker 1>are saying that's got to be space debris. But and

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<v Speaker 1>there's just statistics about how much junk is up there orbiting.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have those numbers on me right now, or

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<v Speaker 1>those stats. But we're just you know, we're destroying the Earth. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>we're destroying I.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean the premise of that movie Gravity right, was like

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<v Speaker 3>that they were like in just above near orbit of

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<v Speaker 3>our Earth, and the thing that caused all the crashes

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<v Speaker 3>and that hit the space station or whatever. It's all

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<v Speaker 3>like the satellites orbiting, they're constantly openating Earth, like got

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<v Speaker 3>this lodge and started hitting and all the circling each other,

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<v Speaker 3>all the debris.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right, I remember seeing that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not I'm not saying that's real. I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 3>that sounds right to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, god, I don't know. There's we can't litter space, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's impossible. Right, we're doing it, but we're not seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the debris. It's litter coming streaking across.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, it's coming down here. That's not good. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just saying that we can't actually litter space, like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>fine with throwing anything into space. Oh god, it's humongous,

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<v Speaker 3>it's unfathomably huge.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to get it out that far, right, like,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to get it.

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<v Speaker 3>You read, to get it far enough space. No, No,

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<v Speaker 3>you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>So that that's pretty interesting, and so I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's just endangering craft that fly up there,

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<v Speaker 1>and just another reason for me not to fly. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess dunk.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all you saw was a potential way to get killed.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's going on in the skies lately? Things aren't

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<v Speaker 1>staying up there?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Right, sitting at DC.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, case in point something I read about

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<v Speaker 1>just today over Alaska this time, remember we did our

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<v Speaker 1>Alaska Triangle episodes episodes one, thirty one, thirty one vaguely yes,

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<v Speaker 1>great episodes. So on Thursday, February sixth, so yesterday, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five, of course, around three sixteen pm, a bearing

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<v Speaker 1>Air Sesna twenty eight two eight B Grand Caravan ex

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<v Speaker 1>it's a prop plane when yeah, vanished as it flew

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<v Speaker 1>over the Norton Sound while en route from Unicalte, Alaska

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<v Speaker 1>to Nome. And we're talking prime Alaska Triangle territory here,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was carrying nine passengers in a pilot, so

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<v Speaker 1>ten people. This plane vanished. It's the FBI is involved.

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<v Speaker 1>They're trying to triangulate things when all these satellite stuff

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find this plane. They haven't found it yet,

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<v Speaker 1>and they've done water search and land search as well,

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<v Speaker 1>so as of right now, for all intents and purposes,

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<v Speaker 1>this fucking thing disappeared.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, y'all, Oscar here with an interruption on our opening

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<v Speaker 3>to tell you that just days after the show was recorded,

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<v Speaker 3>we found out the tooth of what happened in this accident,

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<v Speaker 3>this Alaskan accident. We found out that the mystery hasn't solved.

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<v Speaker 3>That the update is that the plane was found and

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<v Speaker 3>everybody is dead. So before we're back to the show,

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<v Speaker 3>I just enjoy the fact they were completely wrong. Either way,

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<v Speaker 3>enjoy the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Ten people on board.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's like the lost plane.

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<v Speaker 1>The lost plane, oh from the show, Oh, from the show? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of yeah, or I mean just exactly what we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about in our Alaska Triangle episodes, right, how

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<v Speaker 1>these things go? These planes go disappearing in mass over

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<v Speaker 1>the Alaska Triangle. Uh Unicalate, Alaska where this thing was

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<v Speaker 1>coming from taking off from. If you remember from those

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<v Speaker 1>Triangle episodes, Unicalte is somewhere near Unkalite is where the

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<v Speaker 1>black pyramid is supposed to be. Okay, it's coming back

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<v Speaker 1>underground pyramid.

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<v Speaker 3>Coming back to me. I remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And this thing they say lets off immense energy

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<v Speaker 1>it's its own sort of energy source, this mysterious thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And because maybe you do have it. Do you remember

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<v Speaker 3>the episode number.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it was either one thirty or one thirty one,

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully we talked about the Black Pyramid. I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>read the show notes.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm just saying so people can say, hey, a

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<v Speaker 3>new incident is something we talked about before episode one

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was one thirty or one thirty one. I

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<v Speaker 1>just both. You know, in one we covered like disappearing planes,

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<v Speaker 1>disappearing people, maybe something else. In the next one we

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<v Speaker 1>covered like a serial killer, thunderbirds and stuff. So I

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<v Speaker 1>separate the little the little Inukins, remember the Little Eukins,

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<v Speaker 1>a little little troll people that run around Alaska and people.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So yeah, I broke it into those two

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<v Speaker 1>episodes into different topics. So you just got to read

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<v Speaker 1>the show notes and it'll tell you where.

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<v Speaker 3>The wonder it did. That season of two Detective from

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<v Speaker 3>last year was in that same path. Oh you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, in the same area.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot what town they were in in that in

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<v Speaker 1>that that series, but so so unicleat is somewhere around

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<v Speaker 1>there is supposed to be where the black pyramid is

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<v Speaker 1>that releases this immense immense energy, possibly curates vortices with

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<v Speaker 1>these energies, and planes get.

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<v Speaker 3>Lost possibly right, and they sucked up the telemetrics of

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<v Speaker 3>the plane.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. And then Gnome. That's n O M Nome Alaska.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that that's like nowhere land. Man, there's nothing there,

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<v Speaker 1>like population six hundred something. But what it's known for

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So, but.

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<v Speaker 1>The TV show to movie that TV show, Mila djo

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<v Speaker 3>Aliens, The Third Fourth Kind.

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<v Speaker 1>The Fourth Kind. First of all, love the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't seen it in a while, but I remember

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<v Speaker 3>liking it.

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<v Speaker 1>Very scary. It's a fucking scary movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, aliens freak you.

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<v Speaker 1>Out, and there's some freaky shit in that movie.

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<v Speaker 3>You put a spider in your movie, folks, Jay will

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<v Speaker 3>we freaked out?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, Aliens and spiders. Forget it, Aliens and

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<v Speaker 1>spiders on an airplane. But the other thing with Gnome

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<v Speaker 1>is that historically, record numbers of record numbers of people

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<v Speaker 1>have disappeared from this town, which is why they made

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<v Speaker 1>the Fourth Kind. They put an alien spin so Now

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<v Speaker 1>these people weren't just wandering off into the wilderness and

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<v Speaker 1>dying alien. So there is this real life mystery. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember that movie of the Gnome Disappearance really.

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<v Speaker 3>Tried hard to babe, like say that illustrate how much

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<v Speaker 3>this is based on two events kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>In the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>In the movie, Yeah, they were trying harder than most

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<v Speaker 3>movies do. I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So it's just interesting that this plane was lost

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<v Speaker 1>unicually Black Triangle.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, seems right to me. Might be another another

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<v Speaker 3>another incident and another chapter.

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<v Speaker 1>Well we got to watch and see this find this plane.

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<v Speaker 3>But also at the same time, things like this happen anyway, right, people,

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<v Speaker 3>we see a lot of stories of people just.

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<v Speaker 1>Get especially this time of year and fucking Alaska, it's

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<v Speaker 1>treacherous to fly. So interesting listeners, keep your eyes open

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<v Speaker 1>for this, uh this plane that went missing, this this

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<v Speaker 1>bearing cessna ten people. Our thoughts are with their family,

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<v Speaker 1>that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Terrifying. Yes, So what else do we have? Drone update?

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<v Speaker 3>There's an update?

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<v Speaker 1>Drone update is the update date?

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<v Speaker 3>I think I know what the update is is the

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<v Speaker 3>update the fact that no one is paying attention to

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<v Speaker 3>them anymore. It's just all the chatter is stopped overnight.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like literally someone flipped a switch. For a month,

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<v Speaker 1>they were everywhere. It was an invasion, over sensitive military installations,

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<v Speaker 1>over populated cities, scaring people, chasing navy ships, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it was like never even happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think this is a phenomenon that's only because

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<v Speaker 3>of our like a current day phenomena. You think this

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<v Speaker 3>only could happen in our current day or is this

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<v Speaker 3>something that's always been true for people like that? You

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<v Speaker 3>can have an incident so bizarre and widespread, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>attention getting worldwide attention getting like this, and then nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think, dude, I can't think of is.

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<v Speaker 3>This common for human nature or is it a product

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<v Speaker 3>of like our Internet age or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of think it's a product of media, our

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<v Speaker 1>current media and the Internet age, because they feed each other.

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<v Speaker 1>They're kind of part of the same machine. Opinion on

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<v Speaker 1>the part of the same machine. And I personally think

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<v Speaker 1>someone came in and said, you do not talk about

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<v Speaker 1>this anymore, and that was it. That was it pulled

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<v Speaker 1>from all the news stations. If the news not feeding it,

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<v Speaker 1>social media is not talking about it, it's gone.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm tending to think you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the update. Now, this is from This is

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<v Speaker 1>a quote from a White House press briefing that was

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<v Speaker 1>held on Tuesday, January twenty eighth, twenty twenty five, the

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<v Speaker 1>same Tuesday that the same time the stuff was streaking

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<v Speaker 1>across checking on Western Chicago. Yeah weird. So yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is from. This is an official word from a press press

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<v Speaker 1>briefing from Tuesday, January twenty eight, twenty twenty five, given

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<v Speaker 1>by the new White House Press Secretary Carolyn leave It.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a quote. We do have news directly from

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<v Speaker 1>the President of the United States that was just shared

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<v Speaker 1>with me in the Oval Office from President Trump directly.

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<v Speaker 1>An update on the New Jersey drones. After research and study,

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<v Speaker 1>the drones that were flying over New Jersey and large

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<v Speaker 1>numbers were authorized to be flown by the FAA for

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<v Speaker 1>research and various other reasons. Many of these drones were

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<v Speaker 1>also hobbyists, recreational and private individuals that enjoy flying drones,

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<v Speaker 1>and in time it got worse due to curiosity. This

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<v Speaker 1>was not the enemy. A statement from the President of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. End quote. Now, hold on, I got

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<v Speaker 1>a problem.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a few problems, so just a few.

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<v Speaker 1>Weeks ago, yeah, month whatever. At this point, the FAA

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<v Speaker 1>had no fucking idea what these things were.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, that was the word that was an official They

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<v Speaker 3>said one percent mentioned the locals down there, like the authorities,

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<v Speaker 3>police and stuff, they didn't know either. Yes, and they

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<v Speaker 3>have to notify them if they're flying shit up there, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was made very clear in numerous countless press

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<v Speaker 1>conferences and news articles and everywhere on social media that

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<v Speaker 1>the FAA was involved in the investigation into the drone sidings,

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<v Speaker 1>as was the FBI, state and local authorities, and none

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<v Speaker 1>of them had a clue what was happening. That was

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<v Speaker 1>the official word, right, So the FAA didn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>your point, they didn't have to tell local officials or

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<v Speaker 1>commanders at military bases the heads of other sensitive areas

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<v Speaker 1>what they were doing. The FAA, come on, it's total bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>What a shitty official answer to the drone siding.

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<v Speaker 3>So I can only think of one reason, But do

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<v Speaker 3>you have an idea as to why they would say

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<v Speaker 3>this now?

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<v Speaker 1>No? No, Well to shut everyone up, to put an

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<v Speaker 3>End in it, right, So, I mean, yeah, the stand

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<v Speaker 3>thing I can see that.

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<v Speaker 1>No we're talking about it because here's what it was.

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<v Speaker 3>My main thing. Well, I can't it can't be just that,

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<v Speaker 3>right I do. I can't be to that fact. The

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<v Speaker 3>period and a sentence where they must have like squeezed

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<v Speaker 3>news and affiliates to stop talking about it like that

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<v Speaker 3>goes hand in hand and with this statement. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 3>can't just have the statement and expect people to stop

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<v Speaker 3>talking about it. But combinationally with the with telling people

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<v Speaker 3>to stop stop doing it, then that maybe works. I

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<v Speaker 3>was gonna say, is that maybe they're doing it so

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<v Speaker 3>they can discourage idiots maybe who would believe them to

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<v Speaker 3>shooting down or trying to shoot down drones, especially in

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<v Speaker 3>the New Jersey area, you know, kind of thing, kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like stomp out some sort of violent altercations, even

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<v Speaker 3>if they don't want to admit what's going on, because yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't make sense. It's a bullshit answer.

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<v Speaker 1>So bullshit response complete, bullshit response complete. There's still no

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<v Speaker 1>explanation as to who was flying these things, what they

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<v Speaker 1>were doing, what they were looking for, were they taking off,

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<v Speaker 1>where they're taking off or landing we're from, why they

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be chasing navy ships? Nothing all we get

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<v Speaker 1>from Trump is that the drones were authorized to be

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<v Speaker 1>flown by the FAA for research and other various reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Get that vague non answer out of here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's it. I mean, that's no mention on

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<v Speaker 1>the drones that were flying in other states.

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<v Speaker 3>Think a declassified uh you know Senator hell briefly briefing

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<v Speaker 3>about this in five years fifty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, probably like Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, yeah, the Kennedy thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Not yet. They didn't. They didn't release any They.

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<v Speaker 3>Mentioned something about that, right, that's something that you signed.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is supposed to release the final documents on the

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy assassination.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Know anything next month, I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, are we gonna get on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll read it for sure. So that's where we are.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes me angry. I'm angry about this drone thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know, Trump is always gung ho. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you everything. I'm not gonna hi you.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, should never trust anything.

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<v Speaker 1>But then just to give that such non answer, fucking bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes me mad, bullshitter.

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<v Speaker 3>What about I never trust anything?

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<v Speaker 1>What about the other drones in the other states? She

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<v Speaker 1>just quote the quote from Trump that Carolyn talked about

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<v Speaker 1>was over Jersey, what about over all the other states

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<v Speaker 1>across the country? No mention of those Yeah, I'm angry.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, well we might get answers from something that

427
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<v Speaker 3>happened a long time ago, but anything reason, I'm not surprised.

428
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<v Speaker 3>I guess of the non answer, And honestly, it doesn't

429
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<v Speaker 3>have to be chumpy. There could be. I think anybody

430
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<v Speaker 3>in that position wouldn't admit to this kind of thing,

431
00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:20.119
<v Speaker 3>no matter what. So like, no matter why we get

432
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<v Speaker 3>the same non answer, it would just be a different

433
00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:28.160
<v Speaker 3>reason why every saying it in this case anyway. Yeah, yeah, No,

434
00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:31.599
<v Speaker 3>it's a lot of things madden me every day. This

435
00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:34.119
<v Speaker 3>is not high on the list, but it's it's annoying,

436
00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:35.240
<v Speaker 3>it's very frustrating.

437
00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:37.599
<v Speaker 1>I wish we could have come to the listeners with

438
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<v Speaker 1>a real answer, but.

439
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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, no, no, no, this is a real life It's

440
00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:45.799
<v Speaker 3>like a I mean, there are real puzzle box mysterets

441
00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:47.920
<v Speaker 3>in the world, but real life, unfortunately, means that we

442
00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:51.759
<v Speaker 3>never get those actual answers. Yeah, there is no finale

443
00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:53.519
<v Speaker 3>that'll give us an answer.

444
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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, so that's it there. We got to

445
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<v Speaker 1>keep this moving I'm angry. I want to drink. Yes, please,

446
00:21:59.119 --> 00:22:02.480
<v Speaker 1>let's yeah, whiskey do you want to do this? Whiskey first, Oh,

447
00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:04.440
<v Speaker 1>whiskey first, okay, and whiskey first. Okay.

448
00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:05.559
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know that. I didn't know what you were

449
00:22:05.559 --> 00:22:06.759
<v Speaker 3>doing with that. It's good.

450
00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:08.680
<v Speaker 1>So we have a new bottle of whiskey that we're

451
00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:11.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna open today. This is chicken.

452
00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:15.839
<v Speaker 3>Cock, very cocky, chicken chicken cock. What did the chicken

453
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<v Speaker 3>cock gt went across the road? What bourbon? I didn't

454
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<v Speaker 3>have a joke. Oooh yeah, I couldn't think I won

455
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<v Speaker 3>in the moment.

456
00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:27.279
<v Speaker 1>So chicken cock. Bro I picked this up in Kentucky

457
00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:30.920
<v Speaker 1>and I liked it. It's ninety proof, so this isn't

458
00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:33.680
<v Speaker 1>going to burn you too bad. Uh. This is a

459
00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:38.039
<v Speaker 1>brand that goes back all the way to eighteen fifty six. Yeah,

460
00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:41.079
<v Speaker 1>eighteen fifty six for chicken cock. You were born that year, right,

461
00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:45.759
<v Speaker 1>and and it was it was really big during prohibition.

462
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<v Speaker 1>It lasted through prohibition, and it was big in the

463
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<v Speaker 1>bars during prohibition, like the Cotton Club underground shit. It

464
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<v Speaker 1>was chicken cock, but it was being smuggled in in

465
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<v Speaker 1>these ten ends. So they called it to tin can

466
00:23:01.799 --> 00:23:04.480
<v Speaker 1>whiskey back then, but it was chicken cock. You know.

467
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<v Speaker 3>Finding the reasons why people name their their brands and

468
00:23:08.599 --> 00:23:14.079
<v Speaker 3>bottles certain things, it's always fascinating and weird, the same

469
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<v Speaker 3>way finding out why a band will call themselves whatever

470
00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:18.880
<v Speaker 3>they're called. Like, it's such a weird. What do you

471
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<v Speaker 3>know why it's called chicken cock? I don't, Okay, I

472
00:23:23.319 --> 00:23:24.839
<v Speaker 3>beout you if you look it up and see it's

473
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<v Speaker 3>it's fucking weird.

474
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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a really cool bottle. It's it's almost

475
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<v Speaker 1>got like it feels like scales on the bottle the way.

476
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<v Speaker 3>It's it does like honeycomb.

477
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<v Speaker 1>Honeycomb, thank you good? Uh so, Yeah, it's it's just

478
00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:42.279
<v Speaker 1>an old iconic brand. I haven't tried this yet. It's

479
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<v Speaker 1>from a kind of the heart of Bourbon country. It's

480
00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:49.319
<v Speaker 1>it's Paris, Paris, Kentucky where this is from where it originated?

481
00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:53.359
<v Speaker 3>And is there honey in it? Like you okay? Because no,

482
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<v Speaker 3>I maybe think that because of that pattern.

483
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<v Speaker 1>Here we go. I just I can't. I can't get

484
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<v Speaker 1>over it. I love the sound, love everything about it.

485
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<v Speaker 1>I'll give you some here. Like I said, it's ninety proofs,

486
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<v Speaker 1>so it's not gonna kill you so we could. We'll

487
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<v Speaker 1>still be able to drive tonight. But before you do it,

488
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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna try something different. Here, me cap this back up.

489
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<v Speaker 3>No, you're gonna try something different.

490
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<v Speaker 1>So for Christmas, my lovely wife and me put this

491
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<v Speaker 1>back up on my show. Here, she got me what's

492
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<v Speaker 1>called a bourbon nosing kit. Have you talked about this

493
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<v Speaker 1>on the show yet?

494
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<v Speaker 3>I don't think so.

495
00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:37.960
<v Speaker 1>So what this is. It's supposed to help you develop

496
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<v Speaker 1>your bourbon palate, your whiskey palate, right, and it is

497
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<v Speaker 1>let me think, eighteen canisters of different items, different spices,

498
00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:55.319
<v Speaker 1>flavors that you would find in whiskey and bourbon, right, like, so,

499
00:24:55.839 --> 00:25:01.279
<v Speaker 1>brown sugar, chocolate, honey, black pepper, cinnamon, allspice, arsenic tobacco.

500
00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:04.880
<v Speaker 1>You know over here that I want you to try oak, cry,

501
00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:08.000
<v Speaker 1>vanilla corn. And what you do is you smell these

502
00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:11.039
<v Speaker 1>canisters and this is the real the real product is

503
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<v Speaker 1>in these canisters. So there's real vanilla bean, there's real corn,

504
00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:19.799
<v Speaker 1>real shards of oak, you know, rye. So you nose these,

505
00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:22.200
<v Speaker 1>you smell them, and then you taste your whiskey and

506
00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:24.680
<v Speaker 1>try to pick out the different flavors. Right, So let's

507
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<v Speaker 1>try that once you try this vanilla, So open that up.

508
00:25:31.359 --> 00:25:35.319
<v Speaker 1>Get that that that schnazy gears right down in there.

509
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<v Speaker 1>Get a big whiff. Oh yeah, Now take your whiskey

510
00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:49.160
<v Speaker 1>and try the whiskey. I'm gonna do the corn. Does

511
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<v Speaker 1>the vanilla help you? Does smelling the vanilla help you

512
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<v Speaker 1>pick out vanilla flavors notes in the whiskey?

513
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<v Speaker 3>Maybe a little?

514
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<v Speaker 1>Oh? I do taste vanilla in mine corn? Who I'm

515
00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:13.599
<v Speaker 1>smelling the corn and I take a sip. Definitely that

516
00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:18.319
<v Speaker 1>does help enhance the flavor of the whiskey, because a

517
00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:21.799
<v Speaker 1>lot of your taste is smell right, let me try them.

518
00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:30.119
<v Speaker 3>No, yeah, it is, You're right, And.

519
00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:34.480
<v Speaker 1>There's the vanilla. Yeah, definitely sweetness in there. I am

520
00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:36.720
<v Speaker 1>picking up oak without even having to smell the oak.

521
00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:39.799
<v Speaker 1>It's nice.

522
00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:44.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the vanilla was more prominent for sure than no,

523
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<v Speaker 3>not that one.

524
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<v Speaker 1>Have you tried the corn the rye?

525
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<v Speaker 2>No?

526
00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:49.359
<v Speaker 1>I haven't. Oh the rye? Yeah, I haven't tried the rye.

527
00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:53.119
<v Speaker 1>Let me see knows the rye.

528
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<v Speaker 3>Surprised corn even has a smell.

529
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<v Speaker 1>Then go right to the wall. It does? It does?

530
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:06.359
<v Speaker 1>I could pick out the rye after smelling it. That's

531
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:06.839
<v Speaker 1>pretty cool.

532
00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:08.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a nifty gift.

533
00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:09.240
<v Speaker 1>I like this.

534
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like an invention that I never ever ever

535
00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:16.680
<v Speaker 3>would have ever imagined I thought of myself.

536
00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:21.240
<v Speaker 1>And they're not. It's not cheap. It's not cheap. So right, okay,

537
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:24.519
<v Speaker 1>Well it's a long intro. We have updates on the

538
00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:27.519
<v Speaker 1>Long Island serial Killer, right, some new things are going

539
00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:29.240
<v Speaker 1>on there. So that's what this episode episode is going

540
00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:31.240
<v Speaker 1>to be about, Oscar. Let's take a quick break and

541
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<v Speaker 1>finish this chicken cock. Let's do it well, listeners, welcome

542
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:06.720
<v Speaker 1>back to the show. Well, the lights are turned down low,

543
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:12.920
<v Speaker 1>the ceremonial candle is lit, and the chicken cock is flowing.

544
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:20.839
<v Speaker 1>Let's start this show. Okay, So, Oscar, we have updates

545
00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:22.200
<v Speaker 1>on the Long Island serial Killer.

546
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that uh Rex something rex hureman.

547
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:29.319
<v Speaker 1>I think this is our fourth episode on this fucking guy,

548
00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:31.480
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think it's going to end anytime soon.

549
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:33.200
<v Speaker 3>We did too, what's the third one?

550
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:34.000
<v Speaker 1>There was an update?

551
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:35.599
<v Speaker 3>Oh we did another update?

552
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:38.799
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh, I remember that. Now this is another another update.

553
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:41.240
<v Speaker 3>Right, Okay, Okay, I guess I forgot about the plane updates.

554
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yep. So on December seventeenth, twenty twenty four, a

555
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:54.599
<v Speaker 1>superseding bail application revealed that Rex Hureman the ogre, has

556
00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:59.079
<v Speaker 1>now been charged with a seventh count of murder Okay,

557
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<v Speaker 1>this time in connection with the death of Valerie mack Now.

558
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:08.960
<v Speaker 1>The newly released court documents indicate that forensic evidence links

559
00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:14.359
<v Speaker 1>Heureman directly to max murder. A pivotal piece of evidence,

560
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:19.920
<v Speaker 1>a strand of hair recovered near Max's dismembered wrist, was

561
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:25.039
<v Speaker 1>identified through mitochondrial and nuclear DNA testing as likely belonging

562
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:30.119
<v Speaker 1>to Hureerman's daughter Victoria, a piece of hair she shed

563
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:34.559
<v Speaker 1>when she was just three years old, establishing a chilling

564
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:41.400
<v Speaker 1>connection between the crime scene and human's immediate family. Further

565
00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:47.319
<v Speaker 1>incriminating evidence includes a document discovered on human's laptop, ominously

566
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:52.960
<v Speaker 1>titled HK Planning Document. We covered this this find this

567
00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:57.759
<v Speaker 1>document in horrifying detail in our last Long Island Update

568
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:02.759
<v Speaker 1>the Board Circular Update episode. This file, if you remember,

569
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:09.200
<v Speaker 1>outlines detailed methods of abduction, dismemberment, and body disposal with

570
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:15.279
<v Speaker 1>disturbingly specific parallels to Valerie max murder. References within the

571
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:19.000
<v Speaker 1>document point to known dump sites such as Mill Road,

572
00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:24.599
<v Speaker 1>where Max's remains were found. Digital forensics also revealed that

573
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<v Speaker 1>Human frequently visited websites related to Gilgo Beach investigations shortly

574
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<v Speaker 1>before Max's identity was made public in twenty twenty. So

575
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:37.119
<v Speaker 1>he's looking up his crimes, he's relishing and.

576
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:40.079
<v Speaker 3>Religious either right, either for that or to like check

577
00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:43.759
<v Speaker 3>up on the progress on. You know, he must be

578
00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:45.960
<v Speaker 3>also a little worried about getting caught right before he

579
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:46.440
<v Speaker 3>gets caught.

580
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<v Speaker 1>Well, now, something kind of strange happened at Human's arraignment

581
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:55.079
<v Speaker 1>for the murder of Valerie mac in court. When the

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<v Speaker 1>judge asked if he was guilty of the crime for

583
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<v Speaker 1>which he was being accused, people in the court room

584
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.480
<v Speaker 1>got to hear rex Huerman speak for the very first time.

585
00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:10.400
<v Speaker 1>In response to the judge's question, rex Hureman proclaimed his innocence, stating,

586
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.000
<v Speaker 1>your honor, I'm not guilty of any of these charges.

587
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:17.599
<v Speaker 1>And this stunned many in the courtroom because his voice

588
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:22.200
<v Speaker 1>was described as nasally and high pitched, and you know

589
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:25.079
<v Speaker 1>you're on here, I'm not guilty of any of these charges.

590
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Kind of like that, nosly high pitched, which from someone

591
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:30.839
<v Speaker 1>as imposing and big as the ogre Heureman.

592
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:36.039
<v Speaker 3>So for people chortal or laugh or anything.

593
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:38.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. I think there are more stunned. Okay,

594
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:43.799
<v Speaker 1>And his voice carried this notable sense of desperation, your honor.

595
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>I didn't do any of this, you know, like, what

596
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:49.559
<v Speaker 1>the fuck? This isn't me? So, but no one knows

597
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:53.359
<v Speaker 1>why Rex chose this moment to finally speak about his innocence.

598
00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Not even his lawyers knew he was going to do it.

599
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:58.079
<v Speaker 1>It just really shocked people to hear his voice and

600
00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:00.920
<v Speaker 1>to hear him plead, and that the voice didn't match

601
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:01.400
<v Speaker 1>the frame.

602
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:05.359
<v Speaker 3>You know, but we saw no, wait, wait, hold on,

603
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.720
<v Speaker 3>hold on. We put a clip on the episode of

604
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:09.839
<v Speaker 3>him talking.

605
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:11.720
<v Speaker 1>In court, like this is the first time people heard

606
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:12.160
<v Speaker 1>his voice.

607
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:14.920
<v Speaker 3>No, no, I know, but it wasn't like this in

608
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:15.599
<v Speaker 3>that video.

609
00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:17.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to remember. I can't.

610
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:20.920
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't Groff mcgroth either. No, but like, it wasn't like,

611
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:23.519
<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm a wrestler, does bartending or whatever, but

612
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:27.400
<v Speaker 3>it was it, But it was It wasn't nasally or

613
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:29.000
<v Speaker 3>squeaky at all. Is he playing it up?

614
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh? I wonder Obviously there are.

615
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:34.680
<v Speaker 3>Years between the video and now, and I don't know

616
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:36.359
<v Speaker 3>what President's doing to him. I hope it does worse

617
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:39.039
<v Speaker 3>to him. But like, you know, I'm just saying it

618
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:42.000
<v Speaker 3>wasn't I wouldn't have described it the way people are

619
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:45.160
<v Speaker 3>describing his court thing. Yeah, No, that's yeah, that's a

620
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:45.759
<v Speaker 3>little something.

621
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:48.759
<v Speaker 1>Is he playing it up? Yeah, like trying to sound

622
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:50.599
<v Speaker 1>innocent or sound defense.

623
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.359
<v Speaker 3>I mean also in another sense, like if it's that's

624
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:57.359
<v Speaker 3>truly how he sounds like and and that's cool, I guess,

625
00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:00.839
<v Speaker 3>But if that's truly him, maybe that can go into

626
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:03.559
<v Speaker 3>the psychology of why he's such a bastard, you know,

627
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:07.839
<v Speaker 3>like whatevers in securities are that could be a lot

628
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:08.680
<v Speaker 3>of the stem from Ed.

629
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<v Speaker 1>Right, Oh maybe you know maybe, jeez, I don't know.

630
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:17.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm just I mean, that's that's like not even backseat psychology.

631
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:20.480
<v Speaker 3>That's like trunk psychology. But I'm throwing it up there.

632
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:21.720
<v Speaker 1>Hey, cheers to that.

633
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:23.039
<v Speaker 3>I'll take it, I think.

634
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<v Speaker 1>And now we know more about Valerie max Life now

635
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:31.359
<v Speaker 1>as well. So you know, I always like to try

636
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<v Speaker 1>and highlight who these women were as people rather than victims.

637
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<v Speaker 1>And you know, unfortunately, Valerie's story is a story we've

638
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:43.039
<v Speaker 1>heard countless times in the Long Island serial killer case.

639
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.799
<v Speaker 1>Max Life, like many of the Long Island serial killers

640
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:51.400
<v Speaker 1>known victims was marked by hardship. You know, she was

641
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:55.839
<v Speaker 1>born Valerie Lynn Fulton on June second, nineteen seventy six,

642
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:59.960
<v Speaker 1>in Atlantic City, New Jersey, and she faced early adverse

643
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Conflicting reports suggest either both her parents died or she

644
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.719
<v Speaker 1>was forcibly removed from her home by Child Protective Services,

645
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:11.880
<v Speaker 1>leading to replacement in the foster system. And we know

646
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:14.599
<v Speaker 1>this is not a good place to be, probably in

647
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Atlantic City, New Jersey, I'm assuming in seventy six not

648
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<v Speaker 1>a good place to be in their foster system.

649
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the best circumstances is still fucked up.

650
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:23.079
<v Speaker 1>You know.

651
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:24.320
<v Speaker 3>It seems like.

652
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:28.159
<v Speaker 1>She was adopted out, but then her first adoptive parents

653
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.400
<v Speaker 1>they died, and then she was adopted by the MAX.

654
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:36.079
<v Speaker 1>They tried to provide her with stability, but despite their efforts,

655
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:41.039
<v Speaker 1>Valerie struggled with the lasting impacts of her difficult upbringing

656
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:44.559
<v Speaker 1>that public system that she was put in. She was

657
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:50.679
<v Speaker 1>described by an adopted sister as great, smart, sweet, and troubled.

658
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Valerie became a mother to a son named Benjamin while

659
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<v Speaker 1>she was just a senior in high school, and it

660
00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:01.360
<v Speaker 1>must have been financial strain being a young mother like that.

661
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:05.559
<v Speaker 1>She turned to sex work in Philadelphia and in Atlantic City,

662
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:09.440
<v Speaker 1>a path that quickly led to drug addiction and several arrests.

663
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Valerie often worked under the alias Melissa Taylor. She was

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<v Speaker 1>a street walker, meaning she was coming constantly face to

665
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<v Speaker 1>face with the Johns, which is incredibly dangerous. She wasn't

666
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:28.000
<v Speaker 1>using the Internet like a lot of the gilg for were.

667
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:30.239
<v Speaker 1>She was out there on the streets face to face.

668
00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:34.280
<v Speaker 1>She was last seen in June two thousand, shortly after

669
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<v Speaker 1>a final arrest, and months later, on November nineteenth, two thousand,

670
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:44.679
<v Speaker 1>her dismembered torso, severed hands, and decapitated head were discovered

671
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:47.719
<v Speaker 1>wrapped in plastic bags and duct tape in the woods

672
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:51.360
<v Speaker 1>off of Mill Road, going back to the planning document

673
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<v Speaker 1>in Manerville, New York. Eleven years later, in April twenty eleven,

674
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:01.559
<v Speaker 1>her skull, hands and right foot were found near Gilgo Beach,

675
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:04.679
<v Speaker 1>less than one and a half miles from where Jessica

676
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:10.159
<v Speaker 1>Taylor's remains were discovered. Now, Jessica Taylor, another victim in

677
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:15.159
<v Speaker 1>this grim story, shares an eerie connection with Valerie Mack. Together,

678
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:19.280
<v Speaker 1>they're referred they're referred to as the Manorville Two, The

679
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:23.159
<v Speaker 1>Manorville Too now Jessica she was if you remember. She

680
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:25.559
<v Speaker 1>was a twenty year old sex worker from Washington, d C.

681
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<v Speaker 1>Who disappeared from New York City on July twenty first,

682
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:34.440
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and three. Her naked torso and severed arms

683
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:38.320
<v Speaker 1>severed below the elbows were found partially decomposed in a

684
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:43.119
<v Speaker 1>plastic sheet in Manerville's Pine Barrens near Halsey Manor Road,

685
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:48.400
<v Speaker 1>just a half mile from Valerie Mack's earlier discovered remains.

686
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Jessica's head and hands were missing, and a tattoo reading

687
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Remy's Angel had been crudely mutilated, like the kind of

688
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:01.280
<v Speaker 1>hinder identification. Talked about this in the other episodes. I'm

689
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:04.559
<v Speaker 1>just kind of trying to remind you here now. In

690
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<v Speaker 1>April twenty eleven, Jessica's skull, hands, and forearm were found

691
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:13.559
<v Speaker 1>along Ocean Parkway near Gilgo Beach, again less than one

692
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:15.960
<v Speaker 1>and a half miles from where Valerie max remains were

693
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:20.079
<v Speaker 1>found that same month. Both victims exhibited signs of post

694
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:24.880
<v Speaker 1>mortem dismemberment using similar cutting tools, and forensic analysis linked

695
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:28.000
<v Speaker 1>plastic bags used to contain the remains, so the same

696
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:32.000
<v Speaker 1>type of bags were used to carry both women's remains.

697
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, sounds like er tite, Yeah.

698
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Pretty much. Yeah. And then forensic evidence tied a male

699
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:42.159
<v Speaker 1>hair found beneath Jessica's body to Rex Heremen through DNA analysis.

700
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:44.119
<v Speaker 1>You can see how this is all starting to come together.

701
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:46.599
<v Speaker 1>They're all being linked together and then being linked back

702
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:48.360
<v Speaker 1>to either Rex or to his family.

703
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:51.840
<v Speaker 3>So when you said it's not ending, yeas still ongoings.

704
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:54.519
<v Speaker 1>Still ongoing. Now, it's said that Valerie Mac had a

705
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:57.400
<v Speaker 1>tattoo of her son's name on her right foot or ankle,

706
00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:00.000
<v Speaker 1>which was missing when her leg was found ampy time

707
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.440
<v Speaker 1>at mid Calf. Investigators believe this was another attempt by

708
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:10.239
<v Speaker 1>the killer to obstruct identification, a tactic consistent with notes

709
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:14.760
<v Speaker 1>found in Huerman's HK planning document that specifically references the

710
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:18.920
<v Speaker 1>removal of identifying marks such as tattoos. So it happened

711
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:23.440
<v Speaker 1>to Valerie Mac, and it happened to Jessica Taylor, and

712
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:26.800
<v Speaker 1>it also coincides with what he put in this planning document. Now,

713
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:29.880
<v Speaker 1>in Valerie Mac's foot was eventually discovered, it was too

714
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:33.960
<v Speaker 1>decomposed to reveal any tattoos. But again it's just another

715
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:38.280
<v Speaker 1>similarity to Jessica Taylor. This missing tattoo or the attempt

716
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:42.639
<v Speaker 1>to get rid of a tattoo. And I also think

717
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:46.400
<v Speaker 1>it's weird how Valerie Mac used when she was walking

718
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:50.760
<v Speaker 1>the streets she used the alias Melissa Taylor, only to

719
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:54.639
<v Speaker 1>have her disappearance and murders so closely tied to Jessica

720
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:58.119
<v Speaker 1>Taylor can spooky a little weird? Is it just me? No?

721
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:00.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean the alia thing is very common, I amagine

722
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:02.679
<v Speaker 3>there for a lot of sex workers, sure in general.

723
00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:08.000
<v Speaker 1>But the choosing last name, Yeah, I know you're right.

724
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:10.559
<v Speaker 3>I mean, no, you're right. It is coincidence. It's weird

725
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:13.639
<v Speaker 3>little but also I guess sty'll see it though, Yeah,

726
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:14.840
<v Speaker 3>you can see it.

727
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:18.360
<v Speaker 1>The world's a strange placement. Now, the addition of Valerie

728
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:23.159
<v Speaker 1>Max's murder has significantly strengthened the case against human so

729
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:27.320
<v Speaker 1>to recap to date, Hueman is accused of murdering the

730
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Gilgo four that's Melissa Barthelemy Megan Waterman, Amber Costello and

731
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Maureen Brainerd Barnes. He's accused of murdering the Manorville two,

732
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:41.519
<v Speaker 1>Valerie Mac and Jessica Taylor. And he's accused of killing

733
00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:46.119
<v Speaker 1>Sandra Cristilla, whose body was found in north Sea, Southampton,

734
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:49.000
<v Speaker 1>New York in nineteen ninety three by some hunters, a

735
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:52.280
<v Speaker 1>couple of hunters. A male hare found on a shirt

736
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:56.519
<v Speaker 1>near Castilla's body was linked to human their dnaalysis with

737
00:39:56.679 --> 00:40:03.280
<v Speaker 1>the statistical certainty fucker beyond coincidence. Right. Valerie Mack has

738
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>now been linked to Jessica Taylor. Both Valerie and Jessica

739
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.920
<v Speaker 1>have been connected to the gilgo for and Sandra Cristilla

740
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:14.800
<v Speaker 1>through DNA evidence, phone records, and that chilling HK planning

741
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:17.800
<v Speaker 1>document right and more. So again you can see how

742
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:21.159
<v Speaker 1>this case is just growing and growing. Not to mention,

743
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:25.440
<v Speaker 1>investigators are still sifting through those three hundred and fifty

744
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:30.840
<v Speaker 1>plus electronic devices, so who knows what they'll uncover next.

745
00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:34.400
<v Speaker 3>Keep you updated on them, and they're probably still uncovering it,

746
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:36.119
<v Speaker 3>but releasing it is another matter.

747
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:38.440
<v Speaker 1>So waiting for building the case before they could bring

748
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:40.519
<v Speaker 1>in another chargees like we did with Valerie mac.

749
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:42.960
<v Speaker 3>Right, and then once they charge is when it becomes public.

750
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yep. So that's kind of the updates on Rex

751
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Sierman and the Long Island serial killer. So the suspected

752
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Long Island serial killer. Now, I've been I kind of

753
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:56.519
<v Speaker 1>have some thoughts that I just kind of jotted down.

754
00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:59.000
<v Speaker 1>I want to see what you think, and then I

755
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:02.320
<v Speaker 1>have kind of a a mind blower at the very end. Right,

756
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:04.760
<v Speaker 1>So these are just kind of general thoughts and some

757
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:07.119
<v Speaker 1>little tidbits here and there that I've picked up since

758
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:11.320
<v Speaker 1>the last time we've talked about this. So Rex Yeoman

759
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:15.639
<v Speaker 1>was an architect right running around New York City, familiar

760
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:19.800
<v Speaker 1>with all these ancient building codes and things, and he

761
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:23.800
<v Speaker 1>knew which buildings were empty, which foundations were being poured,

762
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:28.360
<v Speaker 1>when walls were going up or coming down. Empty buildings

763
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:33.000
<v Speaker 1>make ideal places to kill or hide. Right, if a

764
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:35.440
<v Speaker 1>foundation was scheduled to be poured this next day, could

765
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:36.920
<v Speaker 1>he dig a hole and then bury a body the

766
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:42.639
<v Speaker 1>night before, okay, sealing his his secrets and concrete forever.

767
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:44.760
<v Speaker 3>I would say that's a good idea, if we hadn't

768
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:49.440
<v Speaker 3>already been burying people and go go right or other.

769
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:51.719
<v Speaker 1>It could be another location. I mean, he was up

770
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:53.559
<v Speaker 1>in Manorville apparently in the woods.

771
00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:57.840
<v Speaker 3>Why not all of them? Or is there just not

772
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:01.920
<v Speaker 3>enough right, there's like too many bots to cover the like,

773
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:05.000
<v Speaker 3>it's not enough buildings to hide these people.

774
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.480
<v Speaker 1>And maybe maybe he almost got caught and got scared.

775
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:09.679
<v Speaker 1>Who knows. I'm not saying this is what happened, but

776
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:12.159
<v Speaker 1>think about there could be bodies all over New York City.

777
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean in general, that's the thing that happens. Right,

778
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:19.039
<v Speaker 3>And you think of when the highways were being built.

779
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.360
<v Speaker 3>I remember what stretches or where exactly. I remember hearing

780
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:24.960
<v Speaker 3>this story. It sounds real. I don't know if it's real.

781
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:30.159
<v Speaker 3>Where workers would, you know, sometimes die and fall into

782
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:32.199
<v Speaker 3>the to the well.

783
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:34.079
<v Speaker 1>They say when like the Hoover Dam was being built.

784
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:38.239
<v Speaker 1>That happened bridges way back in the early nineteen hundred.

785
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:41.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So, like the point is that little giant concrete

786
00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:45.760
<v Speaker 3>structures that hold. If he was in place, there's bodies

787
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:46.039
<v Speaker 3>in there.

788
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:48.039
<v Speaker 1>Man, just keep porn. If they fall in, just keep porn.

789
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:48.920
<v Speaker 1>You don't stop progress.

790
00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:49.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what are you gonna do?

791
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:54.719
<v Speaker 1>Fucked up? Yeah, Now, this planning document, it revealed that

792
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Rex took it almost like he took pleasure in preparing

793
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:02.880
<v Speaker 1>for murder him. The planning stage could have been half

794
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:05.880
<v Speaker 1>the thrill. The act of killing could have just maybe

795
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:08.000
<v Speaker 1>been a small part of his overall satisfaction.

796
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:09.159
<v Speaker 3>Right it's play.

797
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:12.719
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Oh good, I like that. Yeah, his gratification could

798
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:16.199
<v Speaker 1>have came from the process, fantasizing, strategizing how to get

799
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:18.519
<v Speaker 1>away with it, and even maybe even shopping for the

800
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:20.480
<v Speaker 1>tools he needed. That's his foreplay.

801
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:23.599
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of gross, maybe, no, I mean the things

802
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.239
<v Speaker 3>I think about it, it's human nature. It's just that

803
00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:28.559
<v Speaker 3>how he has as personified as what's gross?

804
00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:33.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we discussed in one of our last episodes. I

805
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:36.679
<v Speaker 1>forgot which one, but that Rex really you know, he

806
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:41.559
<v Speaker 1>pulled these horrible internet searches right, just disgusting pornography he

807
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:45.280
<v Speaker 1>was looking for, including children. But what happens when a

808
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:49.119
<v Speaker 1>man is fucked up as Rex apparently is supposedly is

809
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:55.039
<v Speaker 1>realizes that the pornies he craves doesn't exist, or worse,

810
00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:59.880
<v Speaker 1>that simply viewing the images and videos online isn't enough? Right?

811
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:04.039
<v Speaker 1>Does he take the next horrifying step and created himself?

812
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Will authorities uncover photos and videos on those three hundred

813
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:13.559
<v Speaker 1>and fifty plus electronic devices, capturing racks acting out his

814
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:16.599
<v Speaker 1>darkest fantasies on his victims. Can you imagine what that

815
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:23.239
<v Speaker 1>looks like? God help whoever stumbles onto that shit show? Yeah,

816
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:26.079
<v Speaker 1>so this was up. I heard this was pretty interesting.

817
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:32.599
<v Speaker 1>That planning document apparently included a note section referencing specific

818
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:36.400
<v Speaker 1>page numbers from a book called Bind Hunter Mind or

819
00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Bind Mind Hunter Mind, which was published in nineteen ninety

820
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:45.519
<v Speaker 1>five by John Douglas and Mark Ohlshaker. Now, Douglas is

821
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:50.159
<v Speaker 1>recognized as the FBI's first criminal profiler, and he developed

822
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:54.360
<v Speaker 1>the criminal personality profiling technique after he interviewed over a

823
00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:59.239
<v Speaker 1>thousand serial killers. Right the show exactly his work heavily

824
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:03.920
<v Speaker 1>influenced the Netflix series Minehunter, with the character of special

825
00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Agent holden Ford being based on this author. Right Now,

826
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:15.440
<v Speaker 1>the pages Human cited contained fucked up concepts, including sex substitution,

827
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:19.719
<v Speaker 1>which involves penetrating the body with foreign objects, and the

828
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:28.000
<v Speaker 1>idea that mutilation equals disorganized and the mutilation equals disorganized Now. Strangely,

829
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:31.440
<v Speaker 1>investigators didn't find a copy of Mind Hunter among the

830
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:36.199
<v Speaker 1>books recovered from his properties, whether it was his disgusting

831
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:40.199
<v Speaker 1>home or his office his storage sheds, they didn't find it.

832
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:44.920
<v Speaker 1>But online sleuths are the ones that figured out that

833
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:48.920
<v Speaker 1>the quotes and page numbers in his planning document precisely

834
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:52.920
<v Speaker 1>matched content from Minehunter book. So could a hidden copies

835
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:55.920
<v Speaker 1>still be buried somewhere within the horde The clutter of

836
00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:57.519
<v Speaker 1>Human's Massapeko Park home.

837
00:45:57.760 --> 00:45:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Right, they had some floorboard or something.

838
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:04.079
<v Speaker 1>Did Mindhunter influence his alleged crimes? Was it a blueprint

839
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<v Speaker 1>for his methods?

840
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:07.199
<v Speaker 3>Either say maybe he's more like that or more of

841
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:10.559
<v Speaker 3>a way to understand, like know thy enemy kind of

842
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:12.360
<v Speaker 3>say you know kind of thing where like if you

843
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:14.719
<v Speaker 3>know the profiler that's going to be profiling you, kind

844
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:17.119
<v Speaker 3>of helps you give you a leg up maybe as

845
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:20.920
<v Speaker 3>to perfecting your process to keep it stealthy, keep it,

846
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:22.440
<v Speaker 3>keep it in a sense.

847
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:24.440
<v Speaker 1>K And it worked because I may worked for a

848
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:27.519
<v Speaker 1>long time. It was decades for decades. Yeah, act there

849
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:32.519
<v Speaker 1>for a long time. Think about the poor women in

850
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:36.920
<v Speaker 1>this story and the unidentified What did they see in

851
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:41.039
<v Speaker 1>their final moments? If Rex is the Long Island serial killer,

852
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.559
<v Speaker 1>his face, that fucking mug was the last image imprinted

853
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:50.440
<v Speaker 1>on their minds, That connection between predator and victim. So

854
00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:54.440
<v Speaker 1>it's intimate, perhaps more so than any other relationship Rex

855
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:58.519
<v Speaker 1>had to his family, his friends, co workers. He's the

856
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:02.280
<v Speaker 1>man he chose to present a carefully crafted facade, right,

857
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:06.239
<v Speaker 1>But the women, his victims, they saw the real wrecks,

858
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:12.199
<v Speaker 1>stripped of pretense, devoid of humanity, consumed by darkness, evil,

859
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:15.880
<v Speaker 1>and lust. In those last moments, they alone witnessed his

860
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:22.760
<v Speaker 1>true monster self something else no one ever did. The

861
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:25.360
<v Speaker 1>mask comes off. That's what they saw as their last

862
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. That's fucking it's gross, it's terrifying. Nothing

863
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:34.559
<v Speaker 1>about him is attractive. You can't look at anything on

864
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:35.960
<v Speaker 1>his face and be like, yeah, that's attractive.

865
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean his face I think is made for radio.

866
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, right, or podcasting. Now, Human's lawyer Michael Brown,

867
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:48.199
<v Speaker 1>he is fully convinced that former and he said one

868
00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:52.360
<v Speaker 1>hundred percent convinced that the former Suffolk County Police Chief

869
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:54.119
<v Speaker 1>James Burke. Remember this jerk off.

870
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:56.840
<v Speaker 3>I remember the jerkoff. Yes, he was a good suspect that.

871
00:47:56.840 --> 00:48:00.800
<v Speaker 1>He was involved in these crimes. According to Human's lawyer,

872
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:05.000
<v Speaker 1>certainty Burke was involved in these crimes. Brown points to

873
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:09.400
<v Speaker 1>blatant roadblocks Burke created during the investigation. Go back and

874
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:12.880
<v Speaker 1>listen to the other episode to hear about these roadblocks.

875
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Those roadblocks, he says, are strong evidence that others may

876
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:21.400
<v Speaker 1>have been involved in these crimes. This raises the possibility

877
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:26.599
<v Speaker 1>that Hueman could avoid conviction if prosecutors can't definitively prove

878
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:29.519
<v Speaker 1>beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's responsible for

879
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:34.280
<v Speaker 1>all the victims. Any skilled defense attorney could argue that,

880
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:38.320
<v Speaker 1>due to police obstruction and mishandling, the involvement of others

881
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:42.960
<v Speaker 1>can't be ruled out, creating enough reason reasonable doubt for

882
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:49.840
<v Speaker 1>human to walk free. Imagine that day, Because you know,

883
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:53.760
<v Speaker 1>what has to be jury of twelve reasonable they all

884
00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:57.119
<v Speaker 1>have to agree beyond a reasonable doubt he's guilty.

885
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:03.159
<v Speaker 3>Make sure he's guilty of one. I mean, you know

886
00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:06.719
<v Speaker 3>you need one, I guess, but it would be nice

887
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:10.679
<v Speaker 3>to get the full credit. Yeah, well, just for history too.

888
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:15.119
<v Speaker 3>You know, we gonna understand, like what happened to these women.

889
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:19.079
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, you know, for their for their memory, for their family. Right.

890
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:22.039
<v Speaker 1>But imagine if he could walk because of something burke

891
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:22.840
<v Speaker 1>did you know?

892
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:25.639
<v Speaker 3>That's No, that's not good. That's terrible that I would.

893
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Be ten years ago when the investigate shared something like that.

894
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:31.920
<v Speaker 3>What's the point of all this scientific you know, getting

895
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:32.599
<v Speaker 3>I'm gett annoyed.

896
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:36.039
<v Speaker 1>It's making me want to keep drinking. I'm smelling my

897
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:38.519
<v Speaker 1>yeah vanilla and taking a sip of my whiskey as

898
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:39.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm going through this.

899
00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:42.000
<v Speaker 3>You know you can't take that with you to the bar.

900
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I know, I'll bring I'll bring my little nosing kid

901
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:47.800
<v Speaker 1>to the bar, right like, look at this dork, fucking

902
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:53.280
<v Speaker 1>nerd now. In June twenty twenty four, the Pasonic River

903
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:58.039
<v Speaker 1>Sportsman Club in Manerville, Long Island, provided key evidence in

904
00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:03.400
<v Speaker 1>the Long Island serial killer murder investigation. Records and photos

905
00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:07.199
<v Speaker 1>place Rex Hureman near the areas where victim's remains were

906
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:12.320
<v Speaker 1>found in Manorville. Rex attended a shooting event on July twentieth,

907
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:16.039
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and three, a day before Jessica Taylor disappeared.

908
00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Her torso was found nearby on July twenty sixth. Although

909
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:24.639
<v Speaker 1>not a club member, Hueman participated in public rifle events

910
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:29.719
<v Speaker 1>and volunteered there as a safety coach. How ironic a

911
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:33.320
<v Speaker 1>safety coach really, Club records from two thousand and six.

912
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:37.159
<v Speaker 1>In twenty ten helped police link them to locations tied

913
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:41.000
<v Speaker 1>to the Manorville two murders, the club being just three

914
00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:44.880
<v Speaker 1>miles from crime scenes. So what they're thinking is that

915
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:50.480
<v Speaker 1>as Rex was traveling to and from this sick sportsman's club,

916
00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:54.480
<v Speaker 1>he was kind of personic, excuse me, sportsman's club. He

917
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:56.039
<v Speaker 1>was looking around and being like, oh, wait a minute,

918
00:50:56.079 --> 00:50:59.159
<v Speaker 1>that's a good dump site and then he would dumb.

919
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:04.599
<v Speaker 1>You know, that's what That's what they're thinking. Interesting. M

920
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:07.960
<v Speaker 1>all right. So, like I said, I saved the most

921
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:12.199
<v Speaker 1>shocking part for last. Okay, now trust me, this is wild.

922
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:14.360
<v Speaker 1>And you want to check the show notes because I've

923
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:20.360
<v Speaker 1>included photos related to this last part. It's about Victoria Huorman,

924
00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:25.719
<v Speaker 1>his daughter, and questions surrounding her possible knowledge of, or

925
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:29.280
<v Speaker 1>even involvement in her father's alleged crimes.

926
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:30.599
<v Speaker 3>How old is she today?

927
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Uh, she's maybe young thirties, maybe like you thirties. Oh yeah,

928
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:43.000
<v Speaker 1>clearly that's what I mean. So did Rex did his

929
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:45.519
<v Speaker 1>daughter know what he was doing doing? Could she have

930
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:49.360
<v Speaker 1>played a role? Okay, and this isn't it wouldn't be unprecedented.

931
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:51.960
<v Speaker 1>If you guys are familiar with the toy box killer

932
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:55.679
<v Speaker 1>David Parker Ray, his daughter is believed to have helped

933
00:51:55.760 --> 00:52:00.320
<v Speaker 1>lure some of his supposed forty plus victims. So this

934
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:03.039
<v Speaker 1>has happened in you father daughter, things happened in the past. Now,

935
00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:07.039
<v Speaker 1>to be clear, the girl Daddy's girl, right, Victoria Hureman

936
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:10.119
<v Speaker 1>hasn't been charged with anything, nor has she even been

937
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:15.280
<v Speaker 1>named a suspect. This is purely speculating speculation. Now we

938
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:18.760
<v Speaker 1>already know her hair was found on multiple victims, including

939
00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Valerie Mack, which many a tribute to secondary transfer via

940
00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:27.800
<v Speaker 1>rex Right. But new information suggests that she may not

941
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:33.639
<v Speaker 1>be as innocent as she portrays. Attorney John Ray, representing

942
00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:39.480
<v Speaker 1>families of the Long Island serial killer victims, claimed Victoria created, viewed,

943
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:47.880
<v Speaker 1>and shared disturbing, sadistic work online, some eerily resembling details

944
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:52.400
<v Speaker 1>from her father's alleged crimes. These images were posted on

945
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:58.280
<v Speaker 1>her now deleted Tumblr and deviant art accounts. Now John

946
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Ray made a huge pressed spectacle of these images and

947
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:11.320
<v Speaker 1>it was pretty clownish, actually, like it was. You would

948
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:13.519
<v Speaker 1>have to see it to understand what I'm saying. But

949
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:17.159
<v Speaker 1>he made a spectacle out of this, holding up these

950
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:21.760
<v Speaker 1>huge reprints of stuff she either painted or found out

951
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:25.960
<v Speaker 1>or posted online shared online so as an example, in

952
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:28.880
<v Speaker 1>one of her Tumbler posts from December twelfth, twenty nineteen,

953
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Victoria Hueman shared an oil painting of a naked woman

954
00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:37.880
<v Speaker 1>with bloody bite marks on her torso. Alongside this monstrous

955
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:43.480
<v Speaker 1>figure with bloodshot eyes and huge fanged teeth, another image

956
00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:49.280
<v Speaker 1>depicts a nude, deceased woman impaled by antlers. From deer

957
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:53.960
<v Speaker 1>in a marsh, so deer antler's woman's impaled on top

958
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:56.960
<v Speaker 1>of the antler's facing up towards the sky, and she's

959
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:01.199
<v Speaker 1>in a marsh, chillingly similar to where Shannon Gilbert's body

960
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:02.440
<v Speaker 1>was found in a marsh?

961
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:03.360
<v Speaker 3>Okay, right?

962
00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Right?

963
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Is this a stretch? I don't know, but this is

964
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:09.159
<v Speaker 1>what the lawyer is claiming. John Ray is claiming, right,

965
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:12.960
<v Speaker 1>and that's probably how he's doing it. Another image Victoria

966
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:16.280
<v Speaker 1>shared online shows four people hanging by their necks in

967
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:21.280
<v Speaker 1>a dark corridor, with one body missing a shoe, supposedly

968
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:26.559
<v Speaker 1>just like Sandra Costia was found. She was missing a shoe, right,

969
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:32.440
<v Speaker 1>supposedly right. Victoria posted a painting of a blood smeared

970
00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:36.679
<v Speaker 1>basement and investigators believe Rex may have killed in his basement.

971
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:38.760
<v Speaker 1>So was this scene?

972
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.159
<v Speaker 3>We did say that it might be a possibility.

973
00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:44.079
<v Speaker 1>Now now it's almost certain. They believe it's almost certain

974
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:46.599
<v Speaker 1>he killed in his home. Right, But what they're what

975
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:49.679
<v Speaker 1>John Ray is saying this painting of it's like a

976
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:53.199
<v Speaker 1>blood smeared basement, blood smears on the wall, bloody handprints,

977
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:56.079
<v Speaker 1>you can see, like a cement ground, kind of bloodied up.

978
00:54:56.719 --> 00:55:00.280
<v Speaker 1>The lawyer's thinking, was this something Victoria actually seen? Maybe

979
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:01.320
<v Speaker 1>and choose a kid?

980
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:02.159
<v Speaker 3>Hmm?

981
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay. She shared a photo of a blood drenched hospital

982
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:10.840
<v Speaker 1>bed in this decrepit hospital room with the caption that read,

983
00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:15.280
<v Speaker 1>the inside of my brain looks like this. What swear

984
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:19.679
<v Speaker 1>to god? Dude, it's crazy. Another disturbing image depicts a

985
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:24.239
<v Speaker 1>mutilated bound woman hanging in a dim basement with a

986
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:27.760
<v Speaker 1>killer holding a knife. And the killer has a haircut

987
00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:30.599
<v Speaker 1>that's almost identical to rex'es that we see in the picture.

988
00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:35.239
<v Speaker 1>The woman is missing a leg. Think of Victoria Mac

989
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:38.519
<v Speaker 1>thinka Jessica Taylor, and her chest is cut open to

990
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:44.280
<v Speaker 1>reveal her ribs. Wow. She shared artwork of two desiccated

991
00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:48.679
<v Speaker 1>corpses embracing and another of a red haired woman being

992
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:52.760
<v Speaker 1>skinned with nails rammed into her breast and leg, with

993
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:56.800
<v Speaker 1>petite female hands holding this victim's face and a burly

994
00:55:56.920 --> 00:56:01.239
<v Speaker 1>male gripping the victim's hair from behind. So is that

995
00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:04.480
<v Speaker 1>Victoria holding the girl's face and a burly father from

996
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:07.199
<v Speaker 1>behind holding the girl's red hair from behind while she's

997
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:07.960
<v Speaker 1>being tortured?

998
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:13.559
<v Speaker 3>All of these there's more there is, okay.

999
00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:18.679
<v Speaker 1>In another post that she shared shows surgical tools labeled

1000
00:56:18.719 --> 00:56:22.559
<v Speaker 1>as sex toys. It literally says these are sex toys

1001
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:26.960
<v Speaker 1>and it's nothing but surgical tools. And another picture, and

1002
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:29.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if she painted this one or this

1003
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:32.280
<v Speaker 1>is something she shared. It wasn't clear, but another picture

1004
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:39.960
<v Speaker 1>portrays ritualistic cannibalism, featuring a completely destroyed woman whose entrails

1005
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:43.440
<v Speaker 1>have been laid out in plates and her blood in chalices.

1006
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:49.559
<v Speaker 1>So it's incredibly disturbing, no doubt. But does it mean anything.

1007
00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:51.760
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to say, right.

1008
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:56.840
<v Speaker 3>It seems a little too much because like one or two, oh,

1009
00:56:56.840 --> 00:57:00.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, okay, but more than you know, like there's

1010
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:01.039
<v Speaker 3>a lot.

1011
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:03.320
<v Speaker 1>She put up a lot, dude.

1012
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:06.159
<v Speaker 3>I also don't know what it was like being raised

1013
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:08.480
<v Speaker 3>with this guy, right, I don't know what that's like.

1014
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:12.079
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what how warped she might be. We

1015
00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:15.400
<v Speaker 3>never really talked about her to me. She was always

1016
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:19.079
<v Speaker 3>a victim, another victim. I think we even mentioned that

1017
00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:21.800
<v Speaker 3>in the in the first two episodes. She was always

1018
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:24.639
<v Speaker 3>a victim in a sense, like she's just a product

1019
00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:27.960
<v Speaker 3>of this maniac like upbringing kind of thing. But we

1020
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:32.039
<v Speaker 3>didn't ask a question like what she was, like what

1021
00:57:32.119 --> 00:57:34.280
<v Speaker 3>kind of woman she became?

1022
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:36.599
<v Speaker 1>We don't know. No one knows. She's never made a

1023
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:39.280
<v Speaker 1>public statement. You've only seen her kind of on the street,

1024
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:44.480
<v Speaker 1>dark sunglasses, horribly dressed, like people were saying online.

1025
00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:46.880
<v Speaker 3>Horribly like like not like trying not to not get

1026
00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:47.960
<v Speaker 3>your attension or.

1027
00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:50.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, people were saying online like the only crime she

1028
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:52.679
<v Speaker 1>committed is her fashion sense, you know, things like that.

1029
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:57.159
<v Speaker 1>They made it. Well, so cannibalism, right, this woman is destroyed,

1030
00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:00.480
<v Speaker 1>trails on a plate, blood and cups. So it's to disturbing,

1031
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:02.880
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean anything. I mean, I have a ton of

1032
00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:04.840
<v Speaker 1>horror shit in my office, right, I'm not a fucking

1033
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:08.639
<v Speaker 1>statistic killer. But so I'm just saying she's guilty of anything.

1034
00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:12.519
<v Speaker 1>The lawyer pretty much is. But you know her online.

1035
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:14.159
<v Speaker 3>I mean he's a try whatever you can to get

1036
00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:16.079
<v Speaker 3>him out. That's his job, right, So.

1037
00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Her online activity does raise dark questions though, you know,

1038
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:24.639
<v Speaker 1>was she expressing trauma from growing up around the most

1039
00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:30.800
<v Speaker 1>extreme violence imaginable? Was she desensitized or worse fascinated by it?

1040
00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:34.239
<v Speaker 1>And here's something else to consider. In her Long Island

1041
00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Serial Killer Victims episode, we mentioned a painting of a

1042
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:41.559
<v Speaker 1>battered woman found in Rex's home. To remember this, No,

1043
00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:43.880
<v Speaker 1>I do not investigators are pulling out this big kind

1044
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:45.760
<v Speaker 1>of oil painting, and it was of a woman with

1045
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:48.760
<v Speaker 1>like bruised face, and there's a picture of it in

1046
00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the show notes of that episode. Now people are saying,

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00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:54.039
<v Speaker 1>was that something Victoria actually painted herself? Right?

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00:58:54.159 --> 00:58:55.199
<v Speaker 3>And why not?

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00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Why would she have painted that right? They also make

1050
00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:00.760
<v Speaker 1>a big deal of this lawyer was making a big

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00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:02.360
<v Speaker 1>deal because there's a picture of her walking down the

1052
00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:05.119
<v Speaker 1>street and she's got a skeleton on her shirt. He's like, see,

1053
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:09.519
<v Speaker 1>come on, fuck off. But these pictures though, the paintings, right,

1054
00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:15.000
<v Speaker 1>surgical tools, these are sex toys? What not normal?

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00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:18.320
<v Speaker 3>That's that's one of the big ones, because not big ones,

1056
00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:21.519
<v Speaker 3>but like one of those. Okay, that's I want to

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00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:23.199
<v Speaker 3>question a bit more. I make you want to look

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00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:26.199
<v Speaker 3>into it more because it does seem more than just

1059
00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:30.239
<v Speaker 3>like a like a weird morbid fashion sense. It's it's

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00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:34.400
<v Speaker 3>a little more. But maybe maybe, But I do kind

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00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:37.320
<v Speaker 3>of think at most though she's not exactly a killer

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00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:40.159
<v Speaker 3>as well, but I can see like an upbringing where

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00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:43.960
<v Speaker 3>she's a child and doesn't understand what she might see

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00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:47.760
<v Speaker 3>one night when she wakes up or when dad's home

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00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:50.039
<v Speaker 3>or thinks that they're not home, you know, one of

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00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:51.800
<v Speaker 3>the things they could happen. I mean, this guy was

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00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.719
<v Speaker 3>this guy had an impulse that destroyed his life and others.

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00:59:56.239 --> 01:00:02.280
<v Speaker 3>So why not the daughter I have seen but not

1069
01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:06.320
<v Speaker 3>understood something one night and traumatized her. Who can say.

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01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:10.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that she is a helper or a

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01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:12.599
<v Speaker 3>secondary murderer, but also that could be a thing that's

1072
01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:16.480
<v Speaker 3>happened in the past. That's not uncommon. I mean it's

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01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:20.039
<v Speaker 3>not common, but it's not unheard of. Not unheard of. Yeah,

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01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:21.960
<v Speaker 3>maybe that what do you think do you think that's uh,

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01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:23.840
<v Speaker 3>she's it's.

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01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:26.920
<v Speaker 1>So juicy to think that the daughter was involved. Oh

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01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:28.760
<v Speaker 1>my god, this is a family affair, you know, and.

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01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:30.239
<v Speaker 3>Right, and that's cause you might as well throw the

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01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:30.880
<v Speaker 3>mother on there too.

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01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:36.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, some people do. Some people certainly do, or at

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01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:37.639
<v Speaker 1>least being one hundred percent.

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01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:38.800
<v Speaker 3>And they like swing parties.

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01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Right, Oh yeah, that was well, yeah, they're having a

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01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:43.480
<v Speaker 1>swinger party where one of the prostitutes wound up being

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01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:47.559
<v Speaker 1>murdered killed. So people say that she was involved too.

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01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:49.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man, I don't think. I don't think

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01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:51.559
<v Speaker 1>his daughter was involved. I think she could have possibly

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01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:54.000
<v Speaker 1>seen something. Yeah, I'm thinking in the basement that's mo

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01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:55.559
<v Speaker 1>way more likely for me. Maybe she did see a

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01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:57.239
<v Speaker 1>woman hanging and being cut up.

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01:00:57.639 --> 01:00:59.679
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, man, that makes it makes the sense

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01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:00.840
<v Speaker 3>with the art anyway, but.

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01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:03.039
<v Speaker 1>It makes sense with the art. Yeah, but again, you know,

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01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:04.480
<v Speaker 1>I have a ton of fucking weird shit in my

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01:01:04.519 --> 01:01:06.079
<v Speaker 1>office too, and it doesn't make me a killer.

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01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:08.360
<v Speaker 3>So and you've seen a lot of people hang too.

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01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:12.559
<v Speaker 1>It's kind where I come back on Tuesday. So that's

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01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:14.159
<v Speaker 1>kind of that's what I have. Those are the updates

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01:01:14.199 --> 01:01:15.159
<v Speaker 1>kind of some of my thoughts.

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01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:15.760
<v Speaker 3>That's good.

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01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:18.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't know anything else.

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01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:21.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm no, but I do have a related but a

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01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:26.000
<v Speaker 3>totally different thing question that reminded me of this. I

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01:01:26.039 --> 01:01:28.199
<v Speaker 3>wonder if there's any kind of update at all whatsoever

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01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:29.880
<v Speaker 3>about the Chicago fifty one.

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01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Mmm. Wow, yeah, I don't know.

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01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:36.559
<v Speaker 3>So I was watching I was on TikTok right recently.

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01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:40.280
<v Speaker 3>This was like a week ago, and well, one guy

1109
01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:42.159
<v Speaker 3>came up. I don't know if it was a podcast

1110
01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:44.760
<v Speaker 3>taking out of context or whatever I was, and it

1111
01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:47.719
<v Speaker 3>wasn't a news clipping or just somebody making a TikTok

1112
01:01:48.119 --> 01:01:52.920
<v Speaker 3>about the five unresolved serial killers still.

1113
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:53.360
<v Speaker 1>In the Chicago.

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01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:55.440
<v Speaker 3>In Chicago fifty one was like number five I think

1115
01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:58.519
<v Speaker 3>for that so like I and they reminded me of like, oh, yeah,

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01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:01.239
<v Speaker 3>we haven't thought an update. We only have that one

1117
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:04.719
<v Speaker 3>suspect from that one murder. That could be the murder

1118
01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:07.079
<v Speaker 3>of all of them. I wonder that if he is

1119
01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:08.760
<v Speaker 3>in prison, has there been more murderers?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't even remember, I mean forgot listeners

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01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:13.639
<v Speaker 1>back to it. It was a great episode.

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01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:14.559
<v Speaker 3>It was yeah, it was good.

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01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Uh, I don't remember the episode. It was called the

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01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Chicago fifty one. I remember someone actually wrote after listening

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01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:23.800
<v Speaker 1>to the episode and said that they lived in one

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01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:26.159
<v Speaker 1>of They lived in the neighborhood when those things were

1127
01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:27.440
<v Speaker 1>going on, and he's like, you guys did a good

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01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:30.199
<v Speaker 1>job covering that. He's like, I remember this vividly. Yeah,

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01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:30.880
<v Speaker 1>that was pretty sure.

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01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:32.199
<v Speaker 3>I remember that feedback.

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01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Also, Yeah, I don't know, I haven't heard anything. I

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01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:37.559
<v Speaker 1>haven't really thought about it. Unfortunately, since we did the episode.

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01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:39.719
<v Speaker 3>Well because we're talking about serial killer. Sorry, just reminded me.

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01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Now that would be good to look into to see

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01:02:41.320 --> 01:02:42.519
<v Speaker 1>if there have been in developments.

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01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:45.440
<v Speaker 3>Cool, Yeah, it might be fun to see if there

1137
01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:46.119
<v Speaker 3>is something.

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01:02:46.039 --> 01:02:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Unknown serial killer haunting the streets of Chicago and that

1139
01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:53.000
<v Speaker 1>the cops weren't doing anything because he was killing black

1140
01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:58.239
<v Speaker 1>prostitutes and all these things. Fucking crazy story. Yeah, well, good,

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01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:00.480
<v Speaker 1>very good man. I guess uh. I think we're gonna

1142
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:00.960
<v Speaker 1>go drinking now.

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01:03:01.039 --> 01:03:02.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's go drinking, all.

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01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:28.239
<v Speaker 1>Right, Oscar, take us home. Rubber Baby buggy bumpers, rubber

1145
01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:33.639
<v Speaker 1>Baby buggy bumpers. Do I sound okay? You know what

1146
01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:38.199
<v Speaker 1>we gotta watch? We have the intro song. You gotta

1147
01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:40.760
<v Speaker 1>really hit the valume on that sucker, and if we

1148
01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:43.559
<v Speaker 1>take my card tonight, I'll show you exactly what I mean.

1149
01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:46.719
<v Speaker 1>It's it comes out muffled. I don't know what it is,

1150
01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:48.840
<v Speaker 1>and then our voices kick in and it's loud and clear.

1151
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:54.800
<v Speaker 1>And you know, right when when we first started using it,

1152
01:03:54.880 --> 01:03:56.880
<v Speaker 1>I know, remember I asked you, I'm like, bro, there's

1153
01:03:56.920 --> 01:03:58.519
<v Speaker 1>something and then you punched up the volume and it

1154
01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:01.119
<v Speaker 1>was good. I said into too, my friend who made it,

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01:04:01.159 --> 01:04:03.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, dude, is everything okay with this file? Is

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01:04:03.199 --> 01:04:03.960
<v Speaker 1>there anything you need to do?

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01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:07.960
<v Speaker 3>Maybe I just did get that's that, I guess because

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01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:09.880
<v Speaker 3>I've been doing the same thing I did with all

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01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:11.320
<v Speaker 3>the other musical stuff.

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01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it just needs to be punched up.

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01:04:13.239 --> 01:04:16.320
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, I think I just keep forgetting because.

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01:04:16.039 --> 01:04:18.119
<v Speaker 1>It's a dope intro. But it's like, why is it?

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01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:19.599
<v Speaker 1>It's muffled and it's.

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01:04:19.599 --> 01:04:23.239
<v Speaker 3>I listened to that episode, but I wasn't didn't. I wasn't.

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01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:25.960
<v Speaker 3>I guess I wasn't paying attention. Didn't. I didn't even notice.

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01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:28.280
<v Speaker 1>It to that to the intro. We'll just something to

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01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:30.519
<v Speaker 1>keep in mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Say this though, I'm on my fourth audiobook since I

1169
01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:33.519
<v Speaker 3>started uber reading.

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01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:35.119
<v Speaker 1>That would be cool too.

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01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:39.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm fucking going through I did say spot in four days?

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01:04:39.440 --> 01:04:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Did you really?

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01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:40.639
<v Speaker 3>My first time?

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01:04:40.639 --> 01:04:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Man? Alright, wait, let me see what do I have?

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01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Pretty cool?

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01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would. That's all I would be doing is

1177
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:47.320
<v Speaker 1>listening to podcasts and audiobooks.

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01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:49.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm listening to the Silo books now. I just

1179
01:04:49.599 --> 01:04:56.079
<v Speaker 3>started those Silo. Yeah, the show Silo on Apple TV.

1180
01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:59.360
<v Speaker 3>Plus I don't know, it's sci fi. It's really good,

1181
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:02.760
<v Speaker 3>really good. Another Apocko box, but I love it. But

1182
01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:05.639
<v Speaker 3>it's based on these three books that are I guess popular.

1183
01:05:05.679 --> 01:05:08.679
<v Speaker 3>I never so they just went through season two. So

1184
01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:10.119
<v Speaker 3>I want to read the books.

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01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:15.599
<v Speaker 1>Nice. I just wanted to read you my sorry, So

1186
01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:18.400
<v Speaker 1>we got and I gotta listen to the Man in

1187
01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:22.280
<v Speaker 1>the Black Suit, Stephen King, The Voice of the Night.

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01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:26.679
<v Speaker 1>It's a short story, The Big Dark Sky, Dean Koon's

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01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:30.199
<v Speaker 1>I the Dragons, Stephen King, Bizarre Bad Dreams Stephen King

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01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:34.679
<v Speaker 1>from a Buick eight Stephen King, Thirteen Past Midnight Stephen King.

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01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:36.000
<v Speaker 3>So you may mean he's lately.

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01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:38.519
<v Speaker 1>No, oh no, these are just in my audible. I

1193
01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:41.280
<v Speaker 1>got them a long time ago. And oh I forgot

1194
01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:47.400
<v Speaker 1>I say, Arkham County something Batman, Flight or Fright, Stephen

1195
01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:51.719
<v Speaker 1>King and Bev Fincent, The Long Walk. Stephen King makes

1196
01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:54.920
<v Speaker 1>something up by Chuck Palinook, which is I guess it's

1197
01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:59.960
<v Speaker 1>a new book. Fire and Blood, Halloween like the Hallowe

1198
01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:05.760
<v Speaker 1>like a novelization Adjustment Day, Chuck Palanuk, Origin, Dan Brown,

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01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Scarlet Gospels, Clive Barker, The Invention of Sounds. See, I've

1200
01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:12.559
<v Speaker 1>read a lot of these, but not the twisted ones.

1201
01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:17.760
<v Speaker 1>I haven't read Dreams Come to Life Five Nights at Freddy's.

1202
01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:22.000
<v Speaker 1>We download that for Nico. Five Nights The Fourth Closet.

1203
01:06:22.639 --> 01:06:25.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know when I got that one, but yeah,

1204
01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:27.320
<v Speaker 1>so that's in my audible library right now.

1205
01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:32.679
<v Speaker 3>In case you wanted to know, I'm afraid to show

1206
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:35.719
<v Speaker 3>you mine. It's a lot. I have a lot in here.

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01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Man.

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01:06:37.480 --> 01:06:46.119
<v Speaker 3>Maybe I'll just maybe I'll just hit you with not

1209
01:06:46.280 --> 01:06:49.800
<v Speaker 3>started books. I haven't started yet. I've been Oh yeah,

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01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:52.039
<v Speaker 3>I want to remead Wicked because.

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01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:54.719
<v Speaker 1>Of the movie. Yeah, have you seen it? Yeah?

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01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:55.519
<v Speaker 3>I did see the movie.

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01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:57.639
<v Speaker 1>Was it great? Have liked it? Yeah? I want to

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01:06:57.679 --> 01:06:58.000
<v Speaker 1>see it.

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01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:00.920
<v Speaker 3>And it's very everything musical go ahead. Oh then yeah,

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01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:02.639
<v Speaker 3>that's very very good, very true to that.

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01:07:02.719 --> 01:07:05.320
<v Speaker 1>I guess Katie took me actually way back.

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01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:06.559
<v Speaker 3>There's absolutely no surprise to it.

1219
01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Though.

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01:07:06.719 --> 01:07:08.719
<v Speaker 3>If you've seen the musical, you know what happen.

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01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's been years, it's literally probably fucking yeah.

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01:07:12.519 --> 01:07:14.079
<v Speaker 3>And that's why I said too, that's why I haven't

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01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:15.800
<v Speaker 3>read the book since that time period. Also, I'm i go,

1224
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:20.000
<v Speaker 3>I want to reread it. I got oh, I got

1225
01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:25.440
<v Speaker 3>the the Philip Pullman series his Dark Materials. Yes, yeah,

1226
01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:29.239
<v Speaker 3>I got those. I got already mentioned the style of books.

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01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:32.000
<v Speaker 3>I have a boot book book called Nuclear War A

1228
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:36.960
<v Speaker 3>Little Life. I have the complete Poppy War trilogy, which

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01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:38.239
<v Speaker 3>I heard good things. I have a bunch of Chuck

1230
01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:44.880
<v Speaker 3>Palinook David Mitchell books of a History Book. Christmas Eve

1231
01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:53.039
<v Speaker 3>nineteen fourteen about the First World War, Georgia Owell's things.

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01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:54.039
<v Speaker 3>What's what's an? Okay?

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01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:54.239
<v Speaker 2>One?

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01:07:54.280 --> 01:07:57.719
<v Speaker 3>Here? Then nothing? Man, I don't know what that is

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01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:02.840
<v Speaker 3>in magica, oh, Cly Barker. Yeah, I never read that neither.

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01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:07.760
<v Speaker 3>I have the Yeah Annihilation books in the movie.

1237
01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:09.239
<v Speaker 1>I just read the first one.

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01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:14.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a very cold perspective, very clinical.

1239
01:08:14.559 --> 01:08:15.719
<v Speaker 1>It was good. I like the book.

1240
01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:17.640
<v Speaker 3>I read the first one a couple of years ago.

1241
01:08:17.720 --> 01:08:21.159
<v Speaker 3>But this part is actually a trilogy, and I have

1242
01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:26.319
<v Speaker 3>the authority and acceptance. I think they're called uh infinite

1243
01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:34.520
<v Speaker 3>just on killing another history book. A bunch of thrillers done,

1244
01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:37.600
<v Speaker 3>and I don't know all I should read. Doing a

1245
01:08:37.600 --> 01:08:39.880
<v Speaker 3>bunch of sci fi. Ring World. I never read ring World,

1246
01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:40.920
<v Speaker 3>but I have the first one here.

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01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:46.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Of mixed bags, a lot of mixed No, it's cool,

1248
01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:50.279
<v Speaker 1>a lot of them. Yeah, that's what i'd been doing. Man,

1249
01:08:50.319 --> 01:08:52.760
<v Speaker 1>I'd been listening to podcasts and audiobooks all night.

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01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:54.279
<v Speaker 3>It's basically I do.

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01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:59.920
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty cool. Yeah, all right, do you want to start?

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<v Speaker 1>You don't get into it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you warmed up?

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01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:05.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I'm good. I want to go to the bar.

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01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:09.640
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, you know, it's funny we don't ever hurry,

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01:09:10.520 --> 01:09:12.760
<v Speaker 3>like for sleep or for our health or well being

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01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:13.920
<v Speaker 3>to back.

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<v Speaker 1>To the bar.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, all right, ready for count.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, wait you sure? Writer one hundred and sixty fourth episode.

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<v Speaker 1>This actually bought in Kentucky and this chicken I remember

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01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:32.640
<v Speaker 1>now that the chicken cock brand goes back way long

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01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:36.520
<v Speaker 1>time ago. This was really popular in the like speakeasies

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01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:40.119
<v Speaker 1>during Prohibition. The Cotton Club would have chicken cock, although

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01:09:40.119 --> 01:09:42.640
<v Speaker 1>it was smuggled in like these tin cans, so they

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01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:45.319
<v Speaker 1>called it like the tin can whiskey. This brand goes

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01:09:45.359 --> 01:09:48.359
<v Speaker 1>back fucking forever, you know. So it's a cool story

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<v Speaker 1>behind it, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>When it was made in bath.

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<v Speaker 1>Tubs and should pretty much. Okay, So I read.

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<v Speaker 3>This, Uh, I read this. This is unrelated, but it

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01:09:58.399 --> 01:10:00.640
<v Speaker 3>reminds you of the old days. This isn't movie called

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's called I think It's White Christmas the original?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you remember the scene at the end. I mean

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01:10:08.680 --> 01:10:10.880
<v Speaker 3>there's many scenes, but the one particularly scene at the

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01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:12.920
<v Speaker 3>end where it's like snowing and everyone's dancing in the

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01:10:12.920 --> 01:10:17.760
<v Speaker 3>snowng shed and having fun. Yeah, apparently I found out

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01:10:17.800 --> 01:10:20.199
<v Speaker 3>that it's uh, first of all, all the snow, and

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01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:22.479
<v Speaker 3>that movie's fake because they're in la you know, it's

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01:10:22.520 --> 01:10:26.960
<v Speaker 3>not like that real snow. Secondly, that's asbestos.

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01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:31.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh so they're all fucking lung cancer. Now.

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01:10:31.279 --> 01:10:34.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a scene where one of the characters like

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01:10:34.039 --> 01:10:36.000
<v Speaker 3>literally takes a bunch of snow into her face and

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01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:39.920
<v Speaker 3>it's enjoying it, like and that fucked up.

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<v Speaker 1>People are so stupid back then.

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<v Speaker 3>No, we're stupid now, but we know about as best

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<v Speaker 3>as least.

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<v Speaker 1>That happened around here a couple of years ago. They

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01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:53.000
<v Speaker 1>were not the asbestos. They were filming a movie and

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01:10:53.800 --> 01:10:56.479
<v Speaker 1>it was cold. There was no snow on the ground

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01:10:56.479 --> 01:10:59.199
<v Speaker 1>anymore though, like snow had already melted. But there was

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01:10:59.239 --> 01:11:01.720
<v Speaker 1>one house here that they just doused in fake snow

1294
01:11:01.760 --> 01:11:04.079
<v Speaker 1>and they filmed something. We never did find out what

1295
01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:06.800
<v Speaker 1>it was, but it was a lock or two behind

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01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:08.079
<v Speaker 1>me they make It was right here.

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<v Speaker 3>In if it was a Christmas movie. There's so many that.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they make like thirty new Christmas movies a

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01:11:14.600 --> 01:11:17.359
<v Speaker 3>year at least. It's just that twenty nine of them

1300
01:11:17.359 --> 01:11:20.159
<v Speaker 3>are terrible, right, People are forgettable, and they are fucking

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01:11:20.239 --> 01:11:26.600
<v Speaker 3>terrible and forgettable. Oh yeah, let me try this a

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01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:28.039
<v Speaker 3>weird candy thing before I forget.

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01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:32.159
<v Speaker 1>He's got some weird Japanese drinks coming to.

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<v Speaker 3>Those I'm a little more familiar with. I also like

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01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:41.680
<v Speaker 3>I've had a lot more of the Japanese nips chips.

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01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:47.399
<v Speaker 3>They have unique flavors of chips, like shrimp. Oh, it's

1307
01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:51.800
<v Speaker 3>actually not bad. Dog, it's actually not bad. But they

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01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:54.119
<v Speaker 3>have way more seafood in their thing than we do.

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<v Speaker 1>So is it a cookie? What is it? Who more? Really?

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<v Speaker 1>It's cool, Yes, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, it's harder and softer than I thought it would be.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what's in the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>What is this?

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01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:21.159
<v Speaker 1>H I don't know what that is.

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<v Speaker 3>They like this bean paste a lot with the sweets.

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01:12:25.239 --> 01:12:27.880
<v Speaker 3>That's a big thing for them. I don't like it personally, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's talking about get those at the sushi places,

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01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:32.840
<v Speaker 1>those bean little bean ball patty thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, exactly, like about this. Maybe that's what's in here.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't it's not like you read the label.

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01:12:41.079 --> 01:12:44.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no idea what it says. I can read the numbers. Oh,

1322
01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:54.039
<v Speaker 3>there's a website. I'm yeah. Your son is becoming really

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<v Speaker 3>involved into the Japanese culture.

1324
01:12:56.159 --> 01:12:56.680
<v Speaker 1>He really is.

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<v Speaker 3>That happens a lot when people that are into anime

1326
01:12:58.640 --> 01:13:02.159
<v Speaker 3>y Yeah he really I had that face too. Where

1327
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<v Speaker 3>like back during the Naruto and Prince of Tenna's days,

1328
01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:08.520
<v Speaker 3>they used to watch ships on of anime like NonStop, right,

1329
01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:13.159
<v Speaker 3>and like it got me into manga, got me into

1330
01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:18.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, Japanese chips and the candies and the drinks.

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01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:26.399
<v Speaker 3>They went to Mitsuwa, I went to h to see yeah. Yeah,

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01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:29.239
<v Speaker 3>and then from there you trying to, you know, find

1333
01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:34.600
<v Speaker 3>Japanese chicks to hit on. It's just natural and man

1334
01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:38.560
<v Speaker 3>that they do not like foreigners are my experience whites

1335
01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:45.840
<v Speaker 3>or no not non Japanese, my white bitch. True also

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01:13:45.920 --> 01:13:50.000
<v Speaker 3>also realized also that's another thing anime and especially anime.

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01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:57.199
<v Speaker 3>It's huge in like South Little Border huge, really huge

1338
01:13:57.199 --> 01:14:00.720
<v Speaker 3>in Mexico, Watemala, all those places, Argentina. Yeah, huge, Like

1339
01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:04.199
<v Speaker 3>it's bigger than you think it is because a lot

1340
01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:06.439
<v Speaker 3>a lot of us grew up on anime that was

1341
01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:11.119
<v Speaker 3>translated or dubbed in Spanish. I did I watched dragon

1342
01:14:11.119 --> 01:14:12.920
<v Speaker 3>Ball in Spanish? I never saw it in English.

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01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:16.279
<v Speaker 1>Well I remember dragon Ball that was huge for a while. Yeah,

1344
01:14:16.279 --> 01:14:20.600
<v Speaker 1>it was do you want to continue? So we could

1345
01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:21.640
<v Speaker 1>go out and drink?

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01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:26.760
<v Speaker 3>I like, how you like, can we continue to go

1347
01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:27.239
<v Speaker 3>out and drink?

1348
01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Now? I'm excited. We never do this.

1349
01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:33.920
<v Speaker 3>You're right. You know what, when was the last time

1350
01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:34.680
<v Speaker 3>we went out for a drink?

1351
01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:37.239
<v Speaker 1>I can remember Vegas. I don't know.

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01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:42.960
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, no, I mean we didn't go out anywhere

1353
01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:44.000
<v Speaker 3>in Ohio to Yeah we did.

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01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:47.039
<v Speaker 1>It was Ohio after Vegas, pretty sure it was. Yeah,

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01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:51.000
<v Speaker 1>we did, for sure, a couple of places. No, is

1356
01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:54.960
<v Speaker 1>that that? Or am I smelling that? I don't know,

1357
01:14:55.479 --> 01:14:58.720
<v Speaker 1>strawberry smelling strawberry.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's a Caribbean punch. I don't know what that means.

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01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Korean punch, Kribbean Caribbean punch that ship, You are right.

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01:15:10.600 --> 01:15:14.600
<v Speaker 3>Koreban punch. Yeah, yeah, no, I just caught me off guard. No,

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<v Speaker 3>not Korean.

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<v Speaker 1>I like chicken cock.
